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Some interesting (and some not so interesting) facts and records!
Jobby:
--- Quote from: apskip on December 01, 2011, 03:14:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: Joab on December 01, 2011, 09:58:14 AM --- The only 3 teams who didn't taste victory that season was Debra and Steve, Russell and Cindy and Monica and Sheree (nearly tasted victory if Steve and Josh didn't take the Fast Forward)
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Huh! With the FAST FORWARD going to Steve and Josh, Monica and Sheree were 54 minutes behind them, 2 minutes ahead of Reichen and Chip and 6 minutes ahead of Tian and Jaree. The more telling statistic is that in the first leg they managed to fall 57 minutes behind Steve and Josh, Amanda and Chris and Millie and Chuck DESPITE WINNING THE FAST FORWARD. I can say with conviction that they do belong on the list of teams who did not deserve to win any leg of AR4.
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What I was saying, was IF Steve and Josh didn't take Leg 3 Fast Forward, they could have tasted victory since they came in second at the pitstop. This is an IF situation.
And on the first leg, they took the Fast Forward because they were on one of the last bus, so they were afraid of being eliminated and took the FF. If they didn't take it, they could be eliminated too and not Debra and Steve if something went bad for them during their last tasks to the pitstop. They didn't FALL behind, they were trying to CATCH up on the teams in front. Their aim with the Fast Forward then was not to WIN the leg but to SURVIVE the leg.
Best Loser:
Actually they were on the second bus, there was still another bus behind. They had no chance of winning with the Fast Forward and were in no danger of elimination. I think the fact that they came in 4th is less telling of them being a bad team for not winning and more telling of how unbelievably slow Team ATC was.
Jobby:
Okay, I remembered them mentioning about how the times of the second and third bus was really close so they wanted to pull apart from the rest of the pack. I believe they knew something could happen on the race and their main ultimate aim was definitely not to win the leg but to survive it with a lead going into the second leg. But apskip have phrased it in his post it seems like he thought they didn't deserve to win any legs at all because even with the FF, they didn't win the leg. That was an unfair statement to Monica and Sheree, I believe.
apskip:
I have phrased it the way I saw it. Taking a FAST FORWARD and then finishing in 4th place almost 1 hour behind is unbelievably bad performance no matter how you try to spin it. Most FAST FORWARDs are set up to have the teams that win them have a 2 to 3 hour lead, although there have been some exceptions (Bill/Joe into Krabi in AR1 the most noteworthy due to their not getting started from Bangkok to southern Thailand immediately and falling 8.5 hours behind the new leaders).
Jobby:
--- Quote ---Most FAST FORWARDs are set up to have the teams that win them have a 2 to 3 hour lead
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Dustin and Kandice beat Tyler and James and Rob and Kimberly to the pitstop even though the other two teams won the Fast Forward.
Uchenna and Joyce shaved their head and checked in one minute ahead of Rob and Amber and 2 minutes ahead of Ron and Kelly.
There are also more instances of teams winning the Fast Forward and only gaining a small lead.
Of course you can argue that in this case there are also MANY teams who took the Fast Forward and gained a huge lead, but for Monica and Sheree, they were already not in first place at that point of time as they were on the second bus. And in case you didn't realize, many Fast Forwards in the previous seasons were normally won by the teams who arrived at the FF task first. The Fast Forward could have been one of those which we have seen on the race that doesn't give you much of a lead, like that of Tyler and James, Rob and Kimberly and Uchenna and Joyce. So if they're not in first place then, and that the FF is already unable to propel them forward even if they took it, how is it their fault?
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