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G.B.:
"Our" meaning the way Wikipedia and our own wiki handle things.

RaceUntilWeDie:
So during the TAR 14 memory challenge, they show something from the second half of Leg 10 as "Leg 11" onscreen. Was that just an error on the editors' part, or...?

RaceUntilWeDie:

--- Quote from: RaceUntilWeDie on May 30, 2019, 04:58:04 PM ---Out of all the three-timers, (Jet & Cord, Flight Time & Big Easy, Margie & Luke, Mallory Ervin, Rachel Reilly, Leo & Jamal), Rachel Reilly is the only three-timer who has never heard Phil say "You're still racing!"

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Seasons with KOR Legs: 18, 19, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30
Rachel's seasons: 20, 24, 31

I just think it's amazing she's never raced a KOR leg before lmao

G.B.:

--- Quote from: theschnauzers on June 22, 2019, 06:04:37 PM ---That depends. My practice has been the count double-length lags as two legs. I’m not sure who “our” is, but I dispute, with reason for consistency in comparing different seasons of the Race, of treating double length legs as I leg.

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Fuller, better response:

For many years, Wikipedia has lived in the very simple world where KOR legs pre-TAR18 are Double-Length Legs and are considered to be just one super-long leg. The first of these was TAR6 in Hungary, the least ambiguous case of this. Then, everything TAR18 and onward is now a No-Rest Leg, which is two legs of the Race but with no rest point in-between

The original genesis of this change was the fact that Gary & Mallory (Australia) and Margie & Luke (China) received a prize, whereas teams who previously arrived at the KOR mat received nothing but their next clue. This distinction became a bit muddied over time, especially when it was revealed that Jaime & Cara received an unaired prize for hitting the KOR mat in China.

Additionally, a lot of this came into question when Phil announced that the Sicily Leg in TAR25 was the "300th" leg, which made no sense under any of our pre-established systems. Wikipedia ignored it entirely and just kept doing what it had been doing.

If you ask me, there definitely is a divide between pre- and post-TAR18 KOR legs. I like the system that Wikipedia uses and, to avoid confusion, it was carried over to all the statistics I keep as well as our own Wiki. Even I don't 100% agree with it, and I'll tell you why: Wikipedia editors were extremely adamant that the KOR leg in TAR Asia 4 was two legs instead of one, in direct contrast to the single KOR leg that was in season 2, and the pages were accordingly changed. The thing is, Allan Wu says to a bunch of teams "This leg is not over" at the KOR mat, and I want to revert it to a "Double-Length" (ie, single) leg, but have kept it as two to match the Wikipedia page.

Now, our site can overhaul this and come up with a new understanding of these going forward. Earlier legs (for example, TAR7, TAR9) that had been classified as one leg can now be classified as two instead. If that's what a lot of people want, I'll do it. However, keep in mind two important things:

1. This means that our Wiki and other data will no longer match Wikipedia. Furthermore, you cannot ever expect Wikipedia to change in order to match any of this. There is no solid evidence that would pass Wikipedia's strict sourcing rules. Subtitles such as "Leg 11" on TAR14 will not do, because subtitles on TAR have a bad habit of being incorrect. Remember when Joey & Meghan were on season 18?  :groan:

2. This will be a lot of work, especially for me. Tons of stuff both on the wiki and on my behind-the-scenes statistics will have to be changed an overhauled. It will be a lot of effort, and by the end I will probably not be willing to change it again if the community changes its mind later. Pages will have to be updated and moved. Values and statistics will have to be re-worked.

Besides, at the end of the day, I don't think one could ever consider ALL of them as two legs. Is TAR6 Hungary two legs? There's nothing in between to mark the split between legs - no Phil, no mat, no clue to keep on racing. Same with TAR8 in Canada. What about in TAR10 where teams don't even meet Phil until they finish the "second" leg in Ukraine?

theschnauzers:
The key to a double length leg calculation for me is the presence of a midpoint where one can ascertain the order of arrival. I haven’t checked Wikipedia to see if they changed their standings table for every season yet again, but the last time I checked a just a few years ago, they had in fact changed to the way I have handled double length legs since their introduction as a improvisation in season 6 as the Hungary leg(s). They had to have teams wait overnight in the Internet cafe due to a local ordinance that prohibited the intended overnight wait outside. It was very clear what the order of arrival at that point was, and I computed team averages in that order. Season 8 had a similar problem in Montreal, but it was trying to determine whether the task inside the Olympic Stadium was a midpoint, before the teams began searching for a clue, the order in which teams found their clue, or the departure times teams found in the clue envelope to the next task. The one that best fit a midpoint was the order in which teams finished the search for a clue task.
I have not found any issues in fixing a midpoint on any double length, keep on racing or checking no rest period legs since. The only oddball has been the team swap leg, a couple of seasons ago, where the best approach was to average each team’s result of each racer for a team average placement.

I’m quite comfortable with my approach, because, among other things, it leads to an average length in every season after TAR 13 as having a de facto 12 legs, and TAR 13 with 11 legs. I think the approach you d scribe complicates things unnecessarily.

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