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RFF TAR 16 pick-em game
Dånooky:
--- Quote from: walkingpneumonia on March 24, 2010, 02:10:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: gingerman28 on March 24, 2010, 01:17:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: chill_sd on March 24, 2010, 12:28:30 PM ---Here's the original question:
--- Quote ---5 points - Do any teams get a penalty or not allowed to check in at the Pit Stop when they first arrive?
0 points - 7 people answered this question - Yes
0 points - 17 people answered this question - No
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We know the answer to the first part, "Do any teams get a penalty?" is NO. No need to belabor this point or talk about penalties at all.
The second part, "or not allowed to check in at the Pit Stop when they first arrive?" does not mention Phil, or the mat.
So we have to determine, in the case of Brent & Caite, when did "they first arrive" at the "Pit Stop." My contention is that they first arrived at the Pit Stop just behind Carol and Brandy, before they had actually completed the leg.
Now we must determine if they were "not allowed to check in." So we ask the question, "Were they allowed to check in at that time?" The answer is clearly, "No, they were not allowed to check in at that time." It doesn't matter if Phil said anything, the fact is nobody allowed them to check in.
BTW, I picked "No" so I'm not saying this because I want the points, it's just clearly the right answer.
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OK, but who made the determination that they were "not allowed to check in"? Who didn't allow them? Who stopped them from checking in? They never asked to be checked in. So nobody or nothing else determined that they were "not allowed" to check in. They never tried to check in and so were never "not allowed to" since they never tried.
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It is a TAR rule that you are "not allowed" to check in unless you have received the clue that directs you to the Pit Stop.
If that rule was not in place Brent and Caite could have checked in when they arrived at the Pit Stop. So it is the rule that did not "allow" them to check in...
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I concur with wp. The first time Brent & Caite arrived to the Pit Stop, they weren't able to check in because of race rules.
Coutzy:
--- Quote from: Dånooky ✟ on March 24, 2010, 09:37:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: walkingpneumonia on March 24, 2010, 02:10:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: gingerman28 on March 24, 2010, 01:17:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: chill_sd on March 24, 2010, 12:28:30 PM ---Here's the original question:
--- Quote ---5 points - Do any teams get a penalty or not allowed to check in at the Pit Stop when they first arrive?
0 points - 7 people answered this question - Yes
0 points - 17 people answered this question - No
--- End quote ---
We know the answer to the first part, "Do any teams get a penalty?" is NO. No need to belabor this point or talk about penalties at all.
The second part, "or not allowed to check in at the Pit Stop when they first arrive?" does not mention Phil, or the mat.
So we have to determine, in the case of Brent & Caite, when did "they first arrive" at the "Pit Stop." My contention is that they first arrived at the Pit Stop just behind Carol and Brandy, before they had actually completed the leg.
Now we must determine if they were "not allowed to check in." So we ask the question, "Were they allowed to check in at that time?" The answer is clearly, "No, they were not allowed to check in at that time." It doesn't matter if Phil said anything, the fact is nobody allowed them to check in.
BTW, I picked "No" so I'm not saying this because I want the points, it's just clearly the right answer.
--- End quote ---
OK, but who made the determination that they were "not allowed to check in"? Who didn't allow them? Who stopped them from checking in? They never asked to be checked in. So nobody or nothing else determined that they were "not allowed" to check in. They never tried to check in and so were never "not allowed to" since they never tried.
--- End quote ---
It is a TAR rule that you are "not allowed" to check in unless you have received the clue that directs you to the Pit Stop.
If that rule was not in place Brent and Caite could have checked in when they arrived at the Pit Stop. So it is the rule that did not "allow" them to check in...
--- End quote ---
I concur with wp. The first time Brent & Caite arrived to the Pit Stop, they weren't able to check in because of race rules.
--- End quote ---
If that is the case, then I think we should go back to past seasons and redo the scores for all the times teams have been edged out in a foot race.
If Ray and Deana arrived at the Pit Stop before Brian and Greg (Which they did, by that logic) Why did they get eliminated?
Dånooky:
--- Quote from: Coutzy on March 24, 2010, 10:06:15 PM ---If that is the case, then I think we should go back to past seasons and redo the scores for all the times teams have been edged out in a foot race.
If Ray and Deana arrived at the Pit Stop before Brian and Greg (Which they did, by that logic) Why did they get eliminated?
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My point is that to be allowed to check in you must have retrieved all the clues in a leg, or receive a clue that tells you specifically to go to the Pit Stop. The only difference here is that Phil did not state the obvious (on camera) like on last leg.
Brent & Caite arrived at L'Orrca behind Carol 6 Brandy the first time. At that time they weren't allowed (by the rules) to check-in because they didn't meet the requirements needed to check-in
Coutzy:
--- Quote from: Dånooky ✟ on March 24, 2010, 10:59:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Coutzy on March 24, 2010, 10:06:15 PM ---If that is the case, then I think we should go back to past seasons and redo the scores for all the times teams have been edged out in a foot race.
If Ray and Deana arrived at the Pit Stop before Brian and Greg (Which they did, by that logic) Why did they get eliminated?
--- End quote ---
My point is that to be allowed to check in you must have retrieved all the clues in a leg, or receive a clue that tells you specifically to go to the Pit Stop. The only difference here is that Phil did not state the obvious (on camera) like on last leg.
Brent & Caite arrived at L'Orrca behind Carol 6 Brandy the first time. At that time they weren't allowed (by the rules) to check-in because they didn't meet the requirements needed to check-in
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But my point is that by not stepping on the mat, they never arrived at the Pit Stop. It all depends on how you define Pit Stop. I define it as the mat, because that is the point where the leg ends, not the gates to L'orcca.
Dånooky:
--- Quote from: Coutzy on March 24, 2010, 11:11:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dånooky ✟ on March 24, 2010, 10:59:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Coutzy on March 24, 2010, 10:06:15 PM ---If that is the case, then I think we should go back to past seasons and redo the scores for all the times teams have been edged out in a foot race.
If Ray and Deana arrived at the Pit Stop before Brian and Greg (Which they did, by that logic) Why did they get eliminated?
--- End quote ---
My point is that to be allowed to check in you must have retrieved all the clues in a leg, or receive a clue that tells you specifically to go to the Pit Stop. The only difference here is that Phil did not state the obvious (on camera) like on last leg.
Brent & Caite arrived at L'Orrca behind Carol 6 Brandy the first time. At that time they weren't allowed (by the rules) to check-in because they didn't meet the requirements needed to check-in
--- End quote ---
But my point is that by not stepping on the mat, they never arrived at the Pit Stop. It all depends on how you define Pit Stop. I define it as the mat, because that is the point where the leg ends, not the gates to L'orcca.
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IMO, the Pit Stop is not limited to the Mat. But I guess right now it's just up to how mswood interprets Pit Stop.
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