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Questions and Discussion thread for TAR stats
Caelestor:
Of interesting note is that the winners have mostly been co-ed. Occasionally, an M/M/ team wins, but that's only about 35% (?) of the time.
mswood:
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For the record, Eric/Jeremy have the best placement average in the history of TAR (1.75). Meghan and Cheyne cannot best that performance no matter how they finish the final leg of 15. And this is what make E/J's second place finish such a shock. Those two really did dominate their season.
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And I will point out that Eric/Jeremy were great when it was not vital to be, but they finished behind BJ/Tyler in each of the final 3 legs of AR9. So, which is those teams is really the superior one?
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Well that depends apskip, it's like saying Chip & Kim ran a better leg since they finished the last three better then Colin & Christie. The difference being that in the Case of Eric & Jeremy in comparison with BJ & Tyler actually ran (when eliminating bunching) stronger legs in the last two legs, and the first of those three BJ & Tyler won only due to a Fast Forward that Eric & Jeremy were not able to take.
So really while one team officially won those three legs did they truly run stronger legs?
It's like saying Louie & Michael ran stronger leg (episode 5) this season when they placed in first. But when you factor in arrival and departure times, they actually performed the worse out of any team that wasn't eliminated in that episode.
mswood:
--- Quote from: slayton on December 12, 2009, 11:20:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Raymond on December 02, 2009, 12:42:33 PM ---I have departure times from Seasons 1 to 5.
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Do you know if there's a compilation of every departure time in TAR history?
Someone said that they measured how great a team was by the amount of time that they beat the second place teams by, and I had never considered that before.
In TAR14, Tammy & Victor departed leg 3 first at 10:13am and Mel & Mike departed second at 12:01pm. Tammy & Victor departed episode 12 first at 9:15pm and Margie & Luke departed second at 11:24pm. In both cases, Tammy & Victor started the previous legs/episodes in second or worse place and ended up with huge leads without using a fast forward.
The only problem with using departure times are possible production errors, like in leg 8 of TAR14, where they said that Tammy & Victor departed first at 9:27pm and Jaime & Cara departed second at 12:31am.
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Actually this is often the factor I use in determining who is actually a good or great team, but I don't run off just start to end time (because it often doesn't reflect how a team really did things to multiple bunching points).
One also needs to factor in transportation, Hours of Operations, ect.
For example in a leg that features no bunching at all (there have been I believe 7 or 8 of them now, it doesn't happen often) you can compare based on completion time versus departure time.
But then you have most episode where you truly can't judge this.
Take All Stars episode #3. Teams have to leave the Pit Stop go back into town (15 mile drive) go to airport and arrange flights. Well we known that on that aspect of the leg Dustin & Kandice (and also Teri & Ian who were following them) drove for over an hour and a half just getting back to town. But since teams were equalized at the airport this didn't effect them checking into the Pit Stop. So you would need to factor that in. And obviously you don't get specific times for aspects of the race like that (unless teams make a large error, thus why that one got mentioned). I had tried making a list for this (and done so for seasons 9-11), but it will never be 100% accurate as not all times are shown for early portions of legs.
slayton:
I enjoy statistical minutiae, so here are 6 commonalities, at the time of the race, with the two forty-year-old winning teams:
TAR5 -- Chip & Kim, 46 and 44
TAR7 -- Uchenna & Joyce, 40 and 44
[*] Both teams are co-ed.
[*] Both teams are married.
[*] Both teams are African-American.
[*] Both teams started the race with a completely bald/shaven-headed male teammate.
[*] Both teams had one teammate with previous acting credits.
[*] Both teams had a female teammate at age 44.
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If you're a team of forty-year-olds on the race, you're facing a sextuple whammy if you don't have these traits.
apskip:
slayton,
Nice analysis but you missed their most important connection:
They were both the beneficiary of incredible luck in beating a stronger team on the last leg, Colin/Christie in AR5 and Rob/Amber in AR7, respectively.
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