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apskip:
Neobie,
Let's focus on your suggestion of what happens after the plane lands in Amman. It is less than 2 hours from Amman to the Allenby/KingHussein Bridge into Jerusalem and from there it is 28 miles closer from Jerusalem to Massada as it is from Ben Gurion Airport to Massada. So tell me why they would incur 3 additional hours by waiting around for the flight to Tel Aviv, which is notorius as a place where teams would have been spotted on arrival, but maybe not on departure. It is not logical for them to have flown to Tel Aviv although it is eminently logical for them to have flown from Tel Aviv to Amsterdam or Bremen.
Let me remind all of my primary hypothesis, which will be repeated from multiple posts:
#1
Incoming Dubai to Amman choice of 2 flights landing 20 minutes apart:
DBX AMM EK901 0725 0920 or RJ613 0730 0940
Tel Aviv to Frankfurt: TLV FRA LH6871645 2000
connecting to FRA BRE LH350 2125 2220
An alternative is Tel Aviv to Amsterdam TLV AMS LY339 1705 2110
#2
If you relax that(the assumption that teams must arrive Groningen by evening of July 29 a bit, I have a better flight than the middle of the night:
TLV AMS KL462 0505 0905
TLV AMS LY337 0600 1005
There is also a nonstop from TLV BRU SN7000 0700 0805. I think your SN3292 TLV BRU 0100 0500 is a better option because it allows for connection in Brussels to Bremen on Olt-ostfriesische Lufft 161 0810 0930. I have never heard of this airline and it has a 0% on-time record for that flight, but it is listed with a reputable source.
#3
I have some new information which relates to the possibilities. There are 3 ways to get from Dubai to either Amman or Tel Aviv on the evening of Tuesday July 28.
The best by far is nonstop RJ619 DXB AMM 2110 2320
Later arriving in Amman is GF567 DXB BAH 1820 1905 connecting Bahrain to GF5809 BAH AMM 2105 2345
Earlier but using a more circuitous route to Tel Aviv is EK131 DXB DME 1740 2255 connecting Moscow Domodedovo to LY616 DME TLV 2355 0255+1. This gets in well after midnight, which might minimize the hazards of being sighted in Ben Gurion Airport.
These are all viable and quite different from your hypotheses.
georgiapeach:
Apskip, arriving AMS at 9-10AM would not give teams time to arrive in Groningen when we know they did.
Having flown into Schipol every three months for a number of years, I think I can say that it would be nearly impossible to get from the gate through the VERY tight security to the car rentals in under 45 minutes, and that would be very very tight right there.
It was a Sunday AM, at that time the normal heading north out of Schipol traffic would have probably been reasonable, unlike on a weekday, where it could easily take an extra hour to get out of AMS.
Looks as though approx 2 hours driving time to get there per Mapquest:
http://europe.mapquest.com/directions/europe.adp?go=1&do=nw&rmm=1&mo=ma&2si=gaz_nt&un=m&1rc=A5XAX&cl=EN&qq=IEaKSvfsRsqsKVIK9PYXF6r%252f8Oan9FHTPsKXSeKII3KnPmsGmWIZpMEGSjP2cPvf59BY22%252f6OIEYXQr6imiUVXoQDiKc4EBiGnGuku38Wt4hU4sfQlpbhG%252blMntMUvQc0cnsJ8jWJqh9w4P%252b8EySvW4mVzGbMMA0bewIc99X8%252bp5SskDOFO1ijsaTdBBQsTcDcfFoEYYmIpiYPRxwGlUcw%253d%253d&ct=EU&r=f&1si=gaz_nt&2rc=A5XAX&did=1251997705&rsres=1&1y=NL&1a=&1c=Amsterdam&1z=&panelbtn=1&2y=NL&2a=&2c=Groningen&2z=
So here is another alternative flight plan that would get them there earlier:
SN3292 dep TLV 8-30 0110 and arr Brussels BRU at 0502 (scheduled 500AM)
WA 1720 dep BRU 8-30 0615 and arr AMS 0706 (scheduled 0715) This is a KLM CityHopper flight
That would put them in Groningen at about 10 or perhaps slightly before.
apskip:
Peach,
There are several things to consider:
1. July 30 was Thursday, not Sunday. This means an Amsterdam rush hour and extra time required for your route, as MapQuest does not allow for time of day in its calculations.
2. Let me repeat again:
I think your SN3292 TLV BRU 0100 0500 is a better option because it allows for connection in Brussels to Bremen on Olt-ostfriesische Lufft OL161 0810 0930.
This start with the flight that you propose and goes to Bremen rather than Schiphol airport. Reasons to do that in spite of it arriving about one hour later are:
a. Bremen is about 40 miles closer to Groningen and a trip there should not take more than one hour. That puts teams in at 11am vs. your 10am
b. The marked cars driven by AR15 teams have German license plates. I beleive that it's possible but much less likely to get them at Schiphol than at Bremen
c. There is a much lower probability of being sighted going through Bremen than through Schiphol.
How important is that one hour?
georgiapeach:
Duh...what year was I looking at? :groan: Thursday it is.
I have driven that route multiple times and early AM traffic getting from Schipol north would be horrendous, not as bad as heading towards Den Hague, but bad. Just to get on the road north, after that they would be going against the traffic flow and could speed right up. IIRC, the speed limit would be 110km, ~66mph.
So I love your route, love the car explanation, but I think the timing is pretty crucial. I know Dutch saw production around 10, let me see if I can pin down the exact time he saw teams.
gingerman28:
--- Quote from: apskip on September 03, 2009, 12:55:16 PM ---
b. The marked cars driven by AR15 teams have German license plates. I beleive that it's possible but much less likely to get them at Schiphol than at Bremen
--- End quote ---
WRP has a thing about using Mercedes cars instead of rental cars. The "borrowed or donated" cars come directly from Stuttgart headquarters of MB, so they would have German license plates. We have seen them being used in other countries on previous TARs so it doesn't always mean that they are being used just in Germany.
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