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The shoving incident...
Coutzy:
fwiw, I think Kisha and Jen handled themselves very well at the mat during the confrontation. I shudder to think what somebody like Colin or Jonathan would have done (The memories of Joe Roegan with a headlock on Johnny Fairplay come flooding back.)
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--- Quote from: cdfe88 on April 21, 2009, 10:34:04 AM ---Sadly, in today's world, it's all about political correctness...*sigh*
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Not it's not, only if you let it be that. If you do not care about political correctness, then you can just look at the facts and your own interpretations and come down on one side, the other, or neutral. What other people believe (essential for political correctness) can be irrelevant if you think that what you believe is what's important.
mswood:
Frankly I am surprised by the reactions here.
While each party has reason to be ashamed by their behavior at different stages of this leg, the person who started it was Jen.
At the first route marker, she pushes into Luke (nothing wrong with that happens all the time), he uses his arm to block her access to the cluebox (nothing wrong with this either happens all the time). And I don’t think either action was taken in anger at the other party. But what goes beyond the common (though it does still happen) is that Jen starts name calling. She calls Luke a bitch (which she freely admits, Luke obviously doesn’t know this). Jen says his behavior is uncalled for, unsportsmen like, yet the simply fat of the matter it is her behavior that is. Take earlier this season between Mark/Michael and Tammy & Victor no name calling, take last season between Dan and Nick look no name calling (for two fairly recent examples).
In fact Luke doesn’t know anything wrong until his Mom tells him. Then of course he gets angry for being called a bitch. Notice he wasn’t mad about being pushed into (again that really is something that happens a lot on the race). Now both people are mad and venting at their partner.
At the next clue box both of them are running quite hard (the big difference from the earlier contact is that this one is harder because they are full on running) and this time its Luke pushing into Jen, its Luke pushing into Jen’s space to get to the Cluebox and Jen blocking with her arms. (again both sides are rougher this time, but again not something that doesn’t happen on the race). And here we have Luke call Jen a bitch, basically throwing her own insult back at her, and it looks like this is due to the insult earlier.
Now of course, Luke could set a great example, and rise above the original insult (and at this point Margie is all for that, boy that will change), but again he isn’t starting it, he is responding to it.
My parents always taught me you don’t want to be called names, then don’t call other people names (and again on this we absolutely know she started it). You don’t want to be pushed, then don’t push people. It doesn’t matter their gender, race, sex, ect.
And afterwards, both teams continue to build their frustration while driving through the day. We even get to see Jen talk about laughing at Luke just to make it worse (hopefully something she really wouldn’t do, just as we see Luke punching his fist together something I don’t think he would do be actually hitting her).
Then we get to the Mat, and here is where Margie goes nuts (she clearly goes over the line). But I also do wonder (not that it makes it right, but I can understand it) if Jen does follow up with what she said she would do and laugh at him. Either way they all could have rose above it. But that’s the pressure of the race and it does often bring out both the good and the bad in people.
But Jen did start it.
Jen.
ImANewUser:
Actually, it was Kisha/Jen's first cab driver. Had he not gotten lost and took them to the street, this whole thing wouldn't have happened. ;)
Jobby:
My stand is i'm on Kisha and Jen's side. And mind you, i'm a Margie and Luke fan.
The thing that triggered off Jen calling Luke "bitch" was probably what came from last leg, when Margie and Luke told their cab driver to give Kisha and Jen's cab driver the wrong directions. It was foul play and Kisha and Jen could have been more rude and confronted Margie and Luke. (Maybe they did, remember we don't see everything on the race)
And i see mswood's point of saying Jen's "bitch" triggered off everything, but we can also look at it that Luke pushing Jen off triggered her to say the word "bitch", isn't it? I mean, you don't shove people away from the cluebox because what's the point? You're only getting a 5 seconds lead over the other team? And throughout the episode we were repeatedly shown of the scene at the hairsalon where Luke did push Jen's hand off. So at here, Luke's more at fault.
At the second cluebox, i believe that Jen ran to the cluebox ahead of Luke. And Luke, whether or not he tried to stop or deliberately bang into Jen, i believe that both teams are at fault here, but more to Jen's fault because she tried to block Luke this time.
But what happened at the pitstop meltdown was uncalled for, because Kisha and Jen were calm and explained their side of the story, which they obviously thought they were right, but on the other hand, Margie and Luke's reactions were so over the top. I understand Margie's POV as a mother and wanted to protect his son that he has been dealing with it all these years.. but i call this overprotecting from my POV. Her words comes off to me that deaf people should be more respected and get more privileges and that there was some self-pity there involved as well. For me, i don't think that there's any difference from deaf people to normal people. Look at how Margie and Luke won 3 legs and Kisha and Jen only won 1 so far (and it was just by a few seconds ahead of them).. so, there isn't any disadvantage that they are facing right now. I believe that Margie and Luke are facing the race stress and treating the race more critically.. and when something negative comes towards them, they take the full impact of it to their heart and treat it seriously.. which resulted in the pitstop meltdown.
Both parties are at fault here, but i really stand on Kisha and Jen's side more for their graciousness. Other than that, i still like both teams.
And whoohoo, my top 4 teams this season are in the final 4! :jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy:
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