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AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
georgiapeach:
The Beijjing to Tokyo flight for at least some of the teams can be confirmed as CA925/NH5702 0930-1350 on 11/21.
apskip:
Dr. Rox,
The current baseline shown earlier in the Timeline above is a 3:41 for the 1042 to 1423 Locarno/Domodossola/Spiez/Interlaken West run.
If you access http://www.myswissalps.com/swisstimetable.asp?lang=EN you will get the information I indicate below. When you put in Locarno to Luzern starting at 1030, the choices you get are:
Details Station/Stop Date Time Duration Chg. Travel with
1 Locarno 08.02.09 dep 10:45 3:09 1 IR, S3
Luzern arr 13:54
Locarno 08.02.09 dep 10:45 1
IR 2280 InterRegio,
Arth-Goldau arr 13:06 4
Arth-Goldau dep 13:21 6
S3 21350 Urban railway, line 3
Luzern arr 13:54 5
Duration: 3:09; runs daily
2 Locarno 08.02.09 dep 11:03 2:38 1 S20, ICN
Luzern arr 13:41
Details - Connection 2
Station/Stop Date Time Platform Travel with Comments
Locarno 08.02.09 dep 11:03 3
S2014238 Urban railway, line 20
Bellinzona arr 11:27 1
Bellinzona dep 11:36 1
ICN 666 InterCity tilting t, BZ RZ
Luzern arr 13:41 7
Duration: 2:38; runs daily
3 Locarno 08.02.09 dep 11:45 2:56 0 IR
Luzern arr 14:41
Details - Connection 3
Station/Stop Date Time Platform Travel with Comments
4 Locarno 08.02.09 dep 12:03 2:38 2 S20, CIS, IR
Details - Connection 4
Station/Stop Date Time Platform Travel with Comments
Locarno 08.02.09 dep 12:03 3
S2014242 Urban railway, line 20
Bellinzona arr 12:27 1
Bellinzona dep 12:36 1
CIS10016 Cisalpino,
Arth-Goldau arr 14:09 4
Arth-Goldau dep 14:14 5
IR 2178 InterRegio,
Luzern arr 14:41 7
Duration: 2:38; runs 8. Feb until 13. Jun 2009 daily
Then we must connect in Luzern:
Details Station/Stop Date Time Duration Chg. Travel with
1 Luzern 08.02.09 dep 13:55 2:09 1 IR, IC
Interlaken West arr 16:04
2 Luzern 08.02.09 dep 13:55 2:21 1 IR, BUS
Interlaken West, Bahnhof arr 16:13
3 Luzern 08.02.09 dep 13:57 2:26 2 RE, IC, R
Interlaken West arr 16:23
4 Luzern 08.02.09 dep 14:55 12
IR 2228 InterRegio,
Interlaken Ost arr 16:55 4
Interlaken Ost dep 17:01 5
IC 986 InterCity, BZ RZ
Interlaken West arr 17:04 1
Duration: 2:09; runs daily
When you combine the two, you get :
Lorano 1045 Luzern 1354 5 hours 9 minutes
Locarono 1103 Luzern 1354 4 hours 51 minutes
Locarno 1145 Luzern 1704 7 hours 19 minutes
Locarno 1203 Luzern 1704 7 hours 1 minute
I believe that you are using non-Sunday timetables, which is not permissible when the date in question is Sunday Nov. 2. If you use Sundays, you will duplicate my results. The only possible conclusion is that the St. Gotthard route via connection in Luzern is NOT competitive by 1 hour 24 minutes longer or more.
EDITOR's NOTE - I discovered I had made an assumption about all such trains going through Bellinzona, but that it not correct. So I redid the entire analysis.
DrRox:
If one was going to use the Gotthard Tunnel on trip from Locarno to Interlaken, I would think they would go Locarno to Bellinzona to Luzern to Interlaken Ost. That routing is 4:51 minutes, an hour longer than the Domodossola/Simplon. Which route a team would take, to me, would depend on when they arrived at the Locarno station. Trains run to Bellinzona about every 30 minutes. Trains run to Domodossola about every 1.5 hours. So if a team just missed the Domodossola/Simplon train, they MIGHT get there sooner using the Bellinzona/Gotthard route and beat a team by 30 minutes that waited the 1.5 hour for the Domodossola/Simplon train.
It just depends on when they get finished bungee jumping and get to the Locarno station. How many times in the past have we seen teams try to shave 10 minutes on a 5,000 mile plane ride? Why wouldnt they try to shave 15-30 minutes on a train ride???
I am not saying it is probably, but I am saying it is possible.
Here are two examples.
1)If a team arrived at the Locarno station at 9 am.
If they took the next Domodossola/Simplon route, they would arrive in Interlaken at 14:28.
Station/Stop Date Time Platform Travel with Comments
Locarno 15.02.09
walk 4 min., Y
Locarno FART
Locarno FART dep 10:42 FART
D 40 Fast train,
Domodossola arr 12:30
Domodossola dep 12:48
CIS 52 Cisalpino, RE
Spiez arr 13:53 4
Spiez dep 14:05 2
R 5724 Regio
Interlaken Ost arr 14:28 7
Duration: 3:50; runs daily
If they took the next Bellinzona/Gotthard route, they would arrive in Interlaken at 13:55.
Station/Stop Date Time Platform Travel with Comments
Locarno 15.02.09 dep 09:03 3
S2014230 Urban railway, line 20
Bellinzona arr 09:27 1
Bellinzona dep 09:36 1
ICN 662 InterCity tilting t, BZ RZ
Luzern arr 11:41 7
Luzern dep 11:55 12
IR 2222 InterRegio
Interlaken Ost arr 13:55 4
Duration: 4:52; runs daily
2)If they arrived at Locarno station at 10:48, one minute after the 10:47 left. I used your 10:47 time for departure, but my shedule says 10:42.
If they took the next Domodossola/Simplon route, they would arrive in Interlaken at 15:57.
Details - Connection 4
Station/Stop Date Time Platform Travel with Comments
Locarno 15.02.09
walk 4 min., Y
Locarno FART
Locarno FART dep 12:13 FART
D 50 Fast train,
Domodossola arr 13:56
Domodossola dep 14:10
CIS 122 Cisalpino CISALPINO MONTE ROSA, RE
Brig arr 14:40 1
Brig dep 14:49 3
IC 831 InterCity, BZ RZ
Spiez arr 15:24 4
Spiez dep 15:33 1
ICE 375 InterCityExpress, RE
Interlaken Ost arr 15:57 7
Duration: 3:48; runs daily
If they took the next Bellinzona/Gotthard route, they would arrive in Interlaken at 15:55.
Station/Stop Date Time Platform Travel with Comments
Locarno 15.02.09 dep 11:03 3
S2014238 Urban railway, line 20
Bellinzona arr 11:27 1
Bellinzona dep 11:36 1
ICN 666 InterCity tilting t, BZ RZ
Luzern arr 13:41 7
Luzern dep 13:55 12
IR 2226 InterRegio
Interlaken Ost arr 15:55 4
Duration: 4:52; runs daily
I don't think I have ever said that EVERY connection through the Gotthard Rail Tunnel was faster. They are not, but some are. And that makes them a possibility.
Neobie:
Much thanks to walkingpneumonia for finding Chiasso! And everything changes after finding out Preston/Jennifer miss their train!
The first shot of Jennifer looking at the train shows them on Platform 7. The train coming in would be IR172, a direct from Milan to Bellinzona. If the couple get on this (I don't know if the IR172 is considered a TiLo train!), they'd be taking:
IR172 from Chiasso to Bellinzona, 1700-1750
IR2177 from Bellinzona to Locarno, 1754-1813
Why are they in Chiasso in the first place? Could they have been trying to make this impossible connection?
R10860 from Milan to Chiasso, 1538-1643
S20 from Chiasso to Giubiasco, 1633-1726
Giubiasso to Locarno, 1734-1757
The sane connections don't pass through Chiasso in the first place. So the big question is, what train did they miss?
Since Preston/Jennifer caught (or barely missed) IR172, which leaves Milan Central at 4.10pm, their flight would have landed before 3pm. There's a possibility that they could have gone Los Angeles > Frankfurt > Milan, sharing the Los Angeles > Frankfurt flight with the other seven teams, but that would confuse the hell out of the racers and the audience. Other than that, teams can only connect through Paris, of which Apskip has provided an example.
TN22 from Los Angeles to Paris: 1145-0845, then
AF1214 from Paris to Milan Malpensa: 0945-1145 or
XM5997 from Paris to Milan Linate: 0935-1110
But that'd probably put the racers in Milan way too early. May I propose:
AF75 from Los Angeles to Paris: 1500-1030, then
AF9806 from Paris to Milan Malpensa: 1125-1305 or
AF1714 from Paris to Milan Malpensa: 1320-1450
This keeps racers on the same airline (and a major flag carrier, as opposed to Tahiti Nui), which would make buying tickets easier, cheaper and explaining to the audience simpler. Remember TPTB buys the tickets for the first leg!
Or if mayhem is what TPTB wants:
LH457 from Los Angeles to Frankfurt: 1435-1025 (flight also connecting to Zurich)
LH3886 from Frankfurt to Milan Malpensa: 1215-1325
The Zurich teams are landing at 12.55pm, 2.00pm if they take a later connection. If they make it to Zurich Central by 2.09pm they could arrive in Locarno by 4.57pm. Depart Zurich 3.09pm, and arrive Locarno 5.57pm. Miss that and it's depart Zurich 4.09pm, arrive Locarno 6.57pm.
Now if Preston/Jennifer miss their train and still arrive in Locarno at 6.13pm, everything is up for grabs!
Hmm, interesting! It doesn't matter whether you come in through Milan or Zurich, it depends on how long you take to get out of the airport. If you hustle you'd make it ahead, delay and you're pretty much dead!
DrRox:
TN22 from Los Angeles to Paris: 1145-0845, then
AF1214 from Paris to Milan Malpensa: 0945-1145 or
XM5997 from Paris to Milan Linate: 0935-1110
I just loved this connection from apskip. I thought it might make for a 4/7 split and let 7 teams fight it out for last place. Seems that TAR always does the opposite and splits them 7/4 and leave 4 teams as Tail End Charlies. One thing that bothered me about this flight posibility, was the short connection time. I haven't ever been to CDG. Could a team land on TN22 in Termainal 2A/2B, clear customs and make a connecting flight in Terminal 2F in that amount of time? 60 minutes for AF1214 and 50 minutes for XM5997.
Since we have seen Preston/Jennifer in Italy at almost 5 pm, this flight connections seem much more likely as Neobie has found for us.
AF75 from Los Angeles to Paris: 1500-1030 (arrives in Terminal 2E), then
AF9806 from Paris to Milan Malpensa: 1125-1305 (actually a codeshare with Alitalia operating, leaving Terminal 2F) or
AF1714 from Paris to Milan Malpensa: 1320-1450 (leaves from Terminal 2F)
Again almost the same problem. Could a team land on AF75 at Terminal 2E, clear customs and make a departing flight in Terminal 2F in 55 minutes for the AF9806 flight to Milano. I dont see the codeshare being a problem, just the time frame.
AF1714 seems like the best fit for me, though a 2h 50 min layover might be a little long. At least they should be able to make it. Seats in the back might just make a team miss the train out of the airport and put them on next best train connection to Locarno.
Anyone fly in/out of CDG and maybe comment on the connection times there?
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