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The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Acro:
Hi everyone! I'm new here.
Actually I signed up to say one thing that's been bothering me, but I may post more later.
The thing that's been bothering me is the people that have been saying "Red Wine is a stretch for Nicole being the Mole." I don't think it really is. If you look back at Season 2, where Bill was the mole, they said one of their clues was the host eating an apple. That's it. I'd saying drinking Red Wine is just as much of a clue as eating an apple was in Season 2.
Nightstalker:
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--- Quote from: gingerman28 on August 09, 2008, 09:52:10 PM ---If the clues for Craig are so much more concrete than the ones for Nicole, I wish someone would list what the clues are as seen in the on-air program. These are the only clues which will be shown during the last program, items planted on the ABC website or in the "mole's diary" won't be considered during the final expose. So what are the on-air clues for Craig?
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Ep 1: At the Robinson Crusoe mission, Jon tells them the Crusoe story is based on the real life of Alexander Selkirk. Selkirks given name at birth was Selcraig. Too much of a coincidence to NOT be a clue. If it wasn't important, it wouldn't have been mentioned. Jon would have simply stated the game is based on Robinson Crusoe and your job is to guess which items he had with him. I hesitate to bring up the number 11 because frankly I am tired of hearing about all the 11 theories. But I would imagine we will be hearing about journal 11 being held up. Whether it refers to Craig being 11th in the credits or whether it means the mole had that number I don't know. But I'm sure we will hear something about it. And they did do a good job of hiding his journal number from us for several episodes, so I'm not sure how it will play out. But all that other 11 stuff people have been grasping at is just silly.
Ep 2: We see Craig show up for a mission for the first time without his glasses. While they are listening to Jons explaination of the game Craig even calls attention to it while on camera by raising his hand to his eyes and rubbing the side of his head. Admittedly not an earth shattering move all in itself but it set the stage for him wearing the glasses sometimes, and sometimes not. Goes along with the lying with my eyes thing.
Ep 3: We are clearly, and frequently, shown Craig wearing a key around his neck. When he finds the laundromat with their clothes it is next door to a key shop. Again, too much coincidence NOT to be a clue. The laundromat wasn't next to a soccerball store or an abortion clinic. It wasn't even next to a business dealing in the graphic arts. It was a key shop.
Ep 4: A somewhat weak clue here would be the large letter "C's" that are on each brick of gold the players have to carry up the mountain. One on each end. A little better clue would be the number seen on the side of the ambulance. It had no relevance to us at the time but later became clear. When we were shown Marks journal in a later episode we were shown that the numbers associated with craig was 424. This number appears in every opening and closing sequence in each episode so that makes this an on-air clue. This also made the number on the ambulance more relevant to us as well. The number was 4245000. Again, a little too coincidental NOT to be a clue. It would be no problem to digitally add this onto the vehicle just as they added things to other episodes.
Ep 5: Lets start with the word Jaime on the side of the building at the beginning of the All For One mission. I'm sure it was added digitally but it was there nonetheless. Jaime is a variant of James and in spanish both names are a variant of Diego. Such as San Diego where Craig lives. Then there was the "CRG" on the wall behind the players while they were chained together. Probably also digitally added but an on-air clue in any case.
Ep 6: During the player confessionals, there are 2 figures on a table behind each person that looks like the letter "i". During a confessional from Clay, these figures mysteriously change into 4 figures right in the middle of his talk. They are only shown for that one brief shot and were most definitely added digitally. There was 4 i's and represent "4 eyes". A term used to describe people that wear glasses. This is also the episode where we get the view of marks journal and see that the number 424 represents Craig. There is also the questionable N20 during this episode, which if it is a clue would represent November 20. Craigs birthday. On-air clues aren't going to be something as involved as "OK audience, N20 is a gas that doctors SOMETIMES use during delivery of a baby so this means our whiney doctor". Pffffttttt.
This is starting to get pretty long so I am going to cut it off here but I think this answers your question. Notice that none of these clues are based on ABC widgets, text clues, player actions, suspicious behavior, or anything of the sort. They are all based on things shown to us during the program and with the exception of N20 if you want to stretch it, they aren't really able to be applied to other players. They are based on facts of the show and are straight forward and don't really require any type of iffy logic. It's a lot like seeing a horse walk by your house. You look at it and say, "hmmm there's a horse". You don't have to twist it around at think perhaps it's really a donkey trying to trick you.
Remember that you have to look at the clues without being swayed or taken in by the red herrings. That's where people get sidetracked because they start looking at the players behaviors and suspicious activity. Every single layer on the show except for maybe Marcie and Liz did things that seemed suspicious. Some of it was on purpose and some of it is because we weren't shown everything surrounding it. And that was on purpose.....it's the nature of the show. They aren't going to give you clues at the beginning that point to one person only to give you clues at the end that point to someone else. You just have to avoid the landmines.
It's time to give it up and embrace Craig as your mole.
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See? Now this I like. I wish I would have seen posts more thought out like this one from you. While I don't necessarily agree with all of your clues I do think that at least a couple of them are very strong. Particularly your ep. 4 and ep. 6 clues seem very strong. It's not just that though. I also dig your explanation of how you looked for the clues and how you mentioned not to put so much faith in that 11 craze that's been going around. I'm definitely leaning towards Craig now as the mole. Good on you.
Cincy-David:
--- Quote from: georgiapeach on July 29, 2008, 10:39:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: Cincy-David on July 28, 2008, 10:28:12 PM ---
One More on-air clue that points to Craig.....That is quite possibly a mole on the front of that t-shirt. Since, the red cirlce has no cross bar, then Craig is a Mole.
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Aimbo:
--- Quote ---Ep 6: During the player confessionals, there are 2 figures on a table behind each person that looks like the letter "i". During a confessional from Clay, these figures mysteriously change into 4 figures right in the middle of his talk. They are only shown for that one brief shot and were most definitely added digitally. There was 4 i's and represent "4 eyes". A term used to describe people that wear glasses. This is also the episode where we get the view of marks journal and see that the number 424 represents Craig. There is also the questionable N20 during this episode, which if it is a clue would represent November 20. Craigs birthday. On-air clues aren't going to be something as involved as "OK audience, N20 is a gas that doctors SOMETIMES use during delivery of a baby so this means our whiney doctor". Pffffttttt.
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^this is the best clue I have read so far. The 4 i's are the clearest clue I have seen yet. Awesome.
BUT I still hope they don't mean Craig... Craig is the only one with glasses and 4 i's = 4 eye's makes perfect sense... but i think a lot of us are hoping that the clues add up to something more complicated or clever than that :( And also that someone we suspected all along isn't the mole cause that's no fun :(
puddin:
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TEXT CLUE: G BOY N is OBGYN
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