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The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
puddin:
here ya go ..
puddin:
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V.L.:
I don't think the website really means anything - he's a fairly popular player, so I think he may be just capitalizing on the fame from the show and putting himself out there.
Nightstalker:
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--- Quote from: Nightstalker on July 22, 2008, 03:25:39 PM ---
No offense but THIS is what I'm talking about when I say that some people are thinking about this waaaaaaaaaaay too much. Name one clue on one season of The Mole where a clue has involved this much examination? Counting spaces, replacing letters, come on. Take a step back and consider how ridiculous it is. With enough guessing and moving things around a person can virtually make any clue point to any person if they try that hard and are that determined to make a clue point to the person that they want.
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Offense? Why would I take offense? I went back and looked at each post you have made for the past month and except for a couple, each one was simply responding to a poster telling them why THEIR post was wrong and/or ridiculous. So why would I take offense because it was my turn? I will take this time though to point out something. You have mentioned numerous times that you believe the moles journal to be the best source of clues, but that seems to be provided we use excerpts that you have decided must be a clue. Otherwise, the comments in the journal are just as silly and useless as you have decided some posters theories to be. Personally, I don't put much stock in the moles journal and prefer to use what I see in the episodes as well as the clues put out by ABC. We do know those ARE clues even though we may not have been able to solve them, or maybe not even have solved them correctly.
Like you, I don't agree with every theory or suggestion that comes along, but I keep it to myself and instead concentrate on those that I believe to be of value. Being a hard core Craig is the Mole fan, of course most of what I post will be what I consider to be evidence that might help confirm that. I don't remember any on this site although there could be, but there has been occasion when I have posted something in an effort to disprove a theory being proposed about another player if I think I have a valid argument against it, and not to disagree with their theory just for the sake of disagreement.
From your previous posts, you say that Victoria was one of your main suspects, then when she was executed you switched to Clay. You were 100% sure Clay was the mole, with Paul as a backup. Why a backup if you were so sure? Now that he is gone, Paul is your mole. I COULD say that relying on the moles journal hasn't exactly provided you a very good track record, but I won't. If that's what you want to depend on the most then more power to you.
Now, you asked for one clue from one season that involved this much examination. There have been no HARD clues to solve in the past but that is because there has been no previous web clues from ABC before. We have only had clues that the producers included in the episodes and opening credits. Most of those were pretty lame......Anderson holding up Katherines bag, eating an apple, picture of a ship, MickeyD, etc. In the six years since the last real mole (celebrity moles don't count because they were pathetic), the internet has become more prevalent in interactive use and is now being utilized to provide the viewer a more involved level of participation with the show.
I agree that clues included within the episodes themselves are relatively simple, subtle, and easy to figure out. For instance, Craig was wearing a key......he found the players clothes next to a key shop. Easy and simple enough for you?
The clues given by ABC on their website are a different matter. To begin with, not everyone that watches the show cares enough to visit the site to even see them. Of the ones that do, only a small percentage of those people care enough to spend more than a few minutes trying to figure out what they mean. Those clues are going to be harder to solve than the subtleties we are given in the show. For instance, s666 - LIAr.
To paraphrase you from a previous post.....Sorry if this sounds condescending, that is not my intention. I'm just trying to post something that will help.
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You're really taking things out of context. I'm not trying to single people out and say that they're wrong. That would be horrid. I'm backing up my claims based on previous seasons. I'm explaining what types of clues I think we tend to get and why clues that don't follow that line of thinking might be wrong. Of course I could be totally off base. But I'd rather go in depth and explain what seems to work and what doesn't seem to work from my perspective. I told you not to take offense because I didn't want the reaction that you're clearly giving me now that I'm not trying to single people out. I'm not saying that anyone is dumb. I'm simply stating the traps and pitfalls that I've seen in seasons past of people assuming that every minute thing might be a clue and that some people create a self-fulfilling prophecy by assuming someone is the mole and then trying to force everything into being a clue pointing to that person.
The Mole Journal is a clue put out by ABC so I don't know why you wouldn't put any stock in it if you said you're going by clues ABC put out. It wouldn't be part of the official ABC Mole website if it wasn't.
Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing? I'm sorry if that's what you think I'm doing because I'm not. I'm just taking a different approach. Everyone can come around and post their theories. I decided to go at it from another angle and try to weed out the theories that I don't think have any merit. It's not like I'm dogging every single theory that's been put forth. If that's what you choose to think though then please ignore my posts.
I picked Victoria before I even knew about the mole's journal. If you read my posts like you said you did then you'd know why I picked both Clay and Paul. I said that all of the clues pointed to the mole being one of them but I wasn't sure which one. I assumed Clay much more strongly than Paul because of Paul's attitude and how he carried himself in the game. Based on the clues I said it was one or the other. But when push came to shove and I had to pick one of them as my horse to ride I had to go on my gut alone. 50/50 chance. I chose the wrong one which leaves me with Paul. If the mole is not Paul then yes, the journal clues were either not that important or I misinterpreted them. I've already providing an in depth, process of elimination post that explains how I got to that point if you care to read it.
Yes, the key clue - if true - would be easy and simple like typical mole clues. You'll notice that I did NOT quote it in my last post for that very reason. I only singled out the long, drawn out clue that seemed very vague to me.
I still think you're making assumptions. I also never said anything about disregarding the other ABC clues. They probably are a little harder. We just don't know how hard or even if we're on the right track about them. Heck, people are dis disagreeing on which set of clues (if either) are more about the mole's identity and which are more about who will be executed. We have no previous history on those sorts of clues so it's a brave new territory for us all.
I get it. You didn't like me poopooing your other clue so you've decided to try to turn it around and tear apart what I've said. I don't know what that sort of hostility is about. I'm sorry if you took my suggestions too much to heart and were offended. I'm just offering my opinions which is what a messageboard is for. If you don't like that then like I said, please just ignore my posts. You can choose to disagree with me as much as I choose to disagree with you. I've explained myself thoroughly.
Nightstalker:
--- Quote from: puddin on July 26, 2008, 10:48:18 AM ---smaller
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Thanks.
First thoughts. The second page doesn't have any clues that I can see. The number of the first page indicate to me that the mole was in the Clay/Paul/Mark group and not the Nicole/Craig group since those are the numbers that group had to add up I believe. The personal info I'm not sure on. I don't have the episode handy next to me right now so I'm not sure if we heard those specific answers. I wonder if those are the answers to the mole's loved one's questions or if they just indicate that the mole would need to know answers and thus was one of the three people picked as most trusted which I think were Nicole/Clay/Mark.
Obviously if it's the latter then Mark would be the suspect. If it's the former then Paul and Mark are still both suspects unless I can compare those answers with the ones on the show. I might have to watch the episode again. I hope these clues don't point to Mark because then I would be off the mark (lame joke not intended) and this would be the first journal entry that contradicts my previous assumptions. Hmm... interesting. I'm still going with Paul for now.
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