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Timetables and Flight Information
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Let's start with some speculation. There is a major issue in figuring out where a previously not identified leg is. This arises because prior timelines have marked the legs up through leg 6 in Delhi. Since release from Delhi cannot be before May 7, there is not enough time left for teams to complete two full legs and fly to Moscow arriving midday May 12(which they have to do to meet the pitstop timing assumptions). So here are 3 alternatives to fix that:
1. Even though I say it is not enough time, WRP plans 3 legs between Delhi and Moscow.
2. There was a second leg in Cambodia involving a TBC, then later a pitstop.
3. There was a TBC leg in Santiago in spite of the piece of evidence that 1304 ends in Auckland.
Of these 3, I like the 2 legs in Cambodia best. Since teams apparently do not depart until the morning of May 6, they have about 48 hours to do so plus get in a TBC and later pitstop. I am changing this Timeline to reflect that.
Here is the updated Timetable:
AR13 TIMELINE
Depending on when they arrive at LAX, teams have choices of 3 flight combinations to Sao Paulo:
4/22, leg 1
LAX DFW AA2446 1250 1740 connecting in Dallas with DFW GRU AA963 1945 0750+1 (Note: first to arrive if on schedule)
LAX MIA AA252 1355 2142 connecting in Miami with MIA GRU 2330 0830+1 (Note: second to arrive if on schedule)
LAX GRU UA843 1405 1005+1 with a stop in ORD from 2005 to 2132 (Note: third and last to arrive)
4/23 teams go from GRU to SSA(Salvador) but it is unclear how many fly nonstop and how many connect through Rio de Janeiro. There are numerous 2 1/4 hour nonstops from GRU to SSA.
4/24 We know the elevator task in Salvador is this morning. If teams are lagging, they may have to catch:
G3 1816 GRU SSA 0410 0625 or G31982 GRU SSA 0735 0950
4/25 leg 2, choices of flights from Salvador to Fortaleza are:
SSA FOR JJ8003 1130 1310
SSA FOR G31642 0645 0945
SSA FOR G31260 1100 1350
SSA GRU JJ3171 0600 0830 connecting GRU with JJ3302 0930 1245
followed by tasks in Fortzaleza
4/26 Pitstop in Fortaleza
4/27 leg 3
Teams leave FOR and arrive in Bolivia by air. Whether it is to Santa Cruz or to LaPaz is not known at this time.
4/28
Teams do tasks in Bolivia and then have a pitstop in the LaPaz area.
4/29 start of leg 4
If teams fly from Santa Cruz to Santiago choices are:
LAN967 VVI SCL 1205 1725
LAN967 VVI IQT 1205 1355 LAN365 IQT SCL 1920 2230
TA34 VVI LIM 0805 0900 TA33 LIM SCL 2100 0205+1
If teams fly from LPB to SCL choices are:
LAN 965 LPB SCL through Iquique 1245 1745
Since we know that the pitstop was in LPB, teams could have flown out of there or flown to SantaCruz to connect with the flights there.
4/30
It is highly highly likely that there is a REST DAY in the Santiago area.
What we appear to be sure of is that teams end up at Santiago Chile airport on this evening.
LAN801 2245 0355+2 SCL AKL
5/2 leg 4
Teams do tasks somewhere on the North Island of New Zealand from early morning until late evening when a pitstop starts.
5/3 and 5/4, leg 5
Teams return to Auckland International Airport and fly out in multiple bunches from noon until midnight. Choices of routes from AKL to REP (Siem Reap) are:
AKL BKK TG990 1315 2100, connecting with BKK REP PG903 0800 0900
AKL SYD 1245 1415 NZ119 or 1325 1450 QF190 or 1550 1715 EK419 (note: since it is rumored that an Emirates flight was used, EK419 is thee most likely of the 3)
these connect in Sydney to get SYD BKK with connection on one of these:
1550 2215 TG996
1635 2255 QF301
1700 2315 QF1
The AKL BNE route has several choices:
QF126 1435 1625
NZ739 1530 1720
EK433 1655 1835 this then continues on to Singapore with BNE SIN EK433 2045 0150+1 and then SIN REP 3K595 0600 0700
The BNE BKK route has TG992 2359 0559+1. this would be followed by BKK REP PG903 0800 0900
Then BNE SIN has a flight after EK433 - SQ2246 2345 0545+1, but it is not in time to connect with 3K595 so teams doing thhis must wait for SIN REP MI616 1025 1135.
Other flights BNE SIN are SQ246 2345 0545. This would connect with 3K595.
There are no flights BKK REP until the morning of May 4. May 4 reports of PG503 0800 0900 not having any teams sighted may be inaccurate, as it is the only flight that could get teams there from Bangkok by late morning since there was no possibility of them leaving Auckland in the afternoon and reaching Bangkok before 7pm.
Another route is AKL MEL 1300 1500 NZ2725 or 1615 1815 QF134
Those connect with MEL BKK 1605 2235 TG982 or
MEL SIN 1920 0100 EK405, which requires a connection to Bangkok or waiting until MI616 SIN REP 1025 1135.
That connection on May 4 is either TG402 SIN BKK 0740 0900 or SQ970 0845 1010. Then a connection to PG905 BKK REP 1100 1220 is the next one possible.
One late team is probably on AKL SIN 2355 0645 SQ282 connecting there with SQ970 and PG905 shown above to avoid waiting for MI633.
5/4 continued
tasks and then TBC in Siem Reap area, followed by more tasks
5/5, start of leg 6
tasks in Siem Reap area, then regular pitstop
5/6 start of leg 7
Siem Reap to Bangkok airport
PG904 REP BKK 0950 1045 .
Choice of this nonstop flights from BKK to DEL:
IC854 BKK DEL 1330 1615
arrival into downtown Delhi would be around 1800.
It looks like the alternate flight connection for any lagging teams is:
PG906 1250 1400 REP BKK
TG315 1745 2045 BKK DEL
5/7
Delhi pitstop
5/7 leg 8
Delhi to ?
5/9 leg 9
? to ?
5/10 tasks; extended 36 hour pitstop
5/11 continue leg 9 pitstop
5/12 leg 10, flight from TBD to Moscow arriving probably midday, followed by Moscow tasks
5/13 Moscow tasks, then afternoon start of pitstop
5/14 leg 11, the FINISH LINE in The Rose City, Portland Oregon
0705 0825 LH3189 DME FRA
0945 1120 LH468 FRA PDX, then tasks until FINISH LINE
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It's time for a new updated timeline. Key new assumptions are that Delhi tasks will end on 5/7, making the release from the pitstop Thursday May 8, and that the missing pitstop is Astana, Kazakhstan. The Delhi day of the week is extremely significant because there is a nonstop flight once per week flight from Delhi to Almaty, Kazakhstan but only on Saturday night. AR13 teams did not wait around for 2 days to get there more directly.
Here is the updated Timetable:
AR13 TIMELINE
Depending on when they arrive at LAX, teams have choices of 3 flight combinations to Salvador:
4/22, leg 1
LAX DFW AA2446 1250 1740 connecting in Dallas with DFW GRU AA963 1945 0750+1 connecting Sao Paulo with GRU SSA JJ3896 0830 1055 or JJ3174 1035 1250
LAX MIA AA252 1355 2142 connecting in Miami with MIA GRU 2330 0830+1 connecting Sao Paulo with GRU SSA JJ3174 1035 1250
LAX GRU UA843 1405 1005+1 with a stop in ORD from 2005 to 2132 connecting in Sao Paulo with GRU SSA JJ3154 1200 1425
There are other possiblities for the American flight from Miami to connect in Rio, but they can arrive no earlier than the later TAM Aereas Lineas flight into Salvador.
tasks in Salvador; then Hours of Operation
4/23 tasks in Salvador
4/24 We know the elevator task in Salvador is this morning. It will be followed soon after by a pitstop.
4/25 leg 2, choices of flights from Salvador to Fortaleza are:
SSA FOR JJ3366 0230 0415
SSA FOR JJ3890 0330 0635
SSA FOR G31642 0645 0945
SSA FOR G31260 1100 1350
SSA FOR JJ8003 1130 1310
followed by tasks in Fortzaleza
4/26 Pitstop in Fortaleza
4/27 leg 3
Teams leave FOR and arrive in Bolivia by air. Whether it is to Santa Cruz or to LaPaz is not known at this time.
4/28
Teams do tasks in Bolivia and then have a pitstop in the LaPaz area.
4/29 start of leg 4
If teams fly from Santa Cruz to Santiago choices are:
LAN967 VVI SCL 1205 1725
LAN967 VVI IQT 1205 1355 LAN365 IQT SCL 1920 2230
TA34 VVI LIM 0805 0900 TA33 LIM SCL 2100 0205+1
If teams fly from LPB to SCL choices are:
LAN 965 LPB SCL through Iquique 1245 1745
Since we know that the pitstop was in LPB, teams could have flown out of there or flown to SantaCruz to connect with the flights there.
4/30
It is highly highly likely that there is a REST DAY in the Santiago area.
What we appear to be sure of is that teams end up at Santiago Chile airport on this evening.
LAN801 2245 0355+2 SCL AKL
5/2 leg 4
Teams do tasks somewhere on the North Island of New Zealand from early morning until late evening when a pitstop starts.
5/3 and 5/4, leg 5
Teams return to Auckland International Airport and fly out in multiple bunches from noon until midnight. Choices of routes from AKL to REP (Siem Reap) are:
AKL BKK TG990 1315 2100, connecting with BKK REP PG903 0800 0900
AKL SYD 1245 1415 NZ119 or 1325 1450 QF190 or 1550 1715 EK419 (note: since it is rumored that an Emirates flight was used, EK419 is thee most likely of the 3)
these connect in Sydney to get SYD BKK with connection on one of these:
1550 2215 TG996
1635 2255 QF301
1700 2315 QF1
The AKL BNE route has several choices:
QF126 1435 1625
NZ739 1530 1720
EK433 1655 1835 this then continues on to Singapore with BNE SIN EK433 2045 0150+1 and then SIN REP 3K595 0600 0700
The BNE BKK route has TG992 2359 0559+1. this would be followed by BKK REP PG903 0800 0900
Then BNE SIN has a flight after EK433 - SQ2246 2345 0545+1, but it is not in time to connect with 3K595 so teams doing thhis must wait for SIN REP MI616 1025 1135.
Other flights BNE SIN are SQ246 2345 0545. This would connect with 3K595.
There are no flights BKK REP until the morning of May 4. May 4 reports of PG503 0800 0900 not having any teams sighted may be inaccurate, as it is the only flight that could get teams there from Bangkok by late morning since there was no possibility of them leaving Auckland in the afternoon and reaching Bangkok before 7pm.
Another route is AKL MEL 1300 1500 NZ2725 or 1615 1815 QF134
Those connect with MEL BKK 1605 2235 TG982 or
MEL SIN 1920 0100 EK405, which requires a connection to Bangkok or waiting until MI616 SIN REP 1025 1135.
That connection on May 4 is either TG402 SIN BKK 0740 0900 or SQ970 0845 1010. Then a connection to PG905 BKK REP 1100 1220 is the next one possible.
One late team is probably on AKL SIN 2355 0645 SQ282 connecting there with SQ970 and PG905 shown above to avoid waiting for MI633.
5/4 continued
tasks and then TBC in Siem Reap area, followed by more tasks
5/5, start of leg 6
tasks in Siem Reap area, then regular pitstop
5/6 start of leg 7
Siem Reap to Bangkok airport
PG904 REP BKK 0950 1045 .
Choice of this nonstop flights from BKK to DEL:
IC854 BKK DEL 1330 1615
arrival into downtown Delhi would be around 1800.
It looks like the alternate flight connection for any lagging teams is:
PG906 1250 1400 REP BKK
TG315 1745 2045 BKK DEL
5/7
Delhi tasks and start of pitstop
5/8 leg 8 begins
Delhi to Almaty Kazakhstan - choice of 2 sets of connecting flights to Dubai:
AI9897 0745 0945 DEL DXB nonstop or
Qatar233 0500 0620 DEL DOH connecting in Doha to Qatar100 (bus) 0755 1000 DOH DBX
In Dubai, there is a connection to KC896 1120 1740 DBX ALA
Teams then have some time for tasks before running into an Hours of Operation limit.
5/9 Tasks take all day; then pitstop
5/10 leg 9 begins with choice of flights (not a long railroad trip) from Almaty to Astana:
KC751 0615 0810
KC851 0940 1125
KC813 1255 1440
KC818 1610 1755
KC878 1810 1955
KC855 1910 2055
followed by tasks in Astana area after arrival; pitstop (could be 24 hours)
NOTE that this leg is SPECULATION at this point. It is the most logical possibilty, but there are many ways to get from Almaty to Moscow.
5/11 leg 10 begins; fly Astana to Moscow KC873 TSE SVO 2100 0220+1
5/12 Moscow tasks
5/13 Moscow tasks, then afternoon start of pitstop
5/14 leg 11, the FINISH LINE in The Rose City, Portland Oregon
0705 0825 LH3189 DME FRA
0945 1120 LH468 FRA PDX, then tasks until FINISH LINE
Chateau d If:
You've got some lousy Leg 2 flights to choose from:
--- Quote ---4/25 leg 2, choices of flights from Salvador to Fortaleza are:
SSA FOR JJ8003 1130 1310
SSA FOR G31642 0645 0945
SSA FOR G31260 1100 1350
SSA GRU JJ3171 0600 0830 connecting GRU with JJ3302 0930 1245
followed by tasks in Fortzaleza
--- End quote ---
Seeing that at least one team will be ready to start the leg as early as about 11:15 pm. They will arrive in Fortaleza much sooner if they choose from these flights: :neener:
1 JJ 3366 leaving SSA at 2:30 am arrives FOR at 4:15 am
2 JJ 3890 leaving SSA at 3:30 am arrives REC at 4:45 am
JJ 3890 leaving REC at 5:20 am arrives FOR at 6:35 am
3 G3 1642 leaving SSA at 6:45 am arrives REC at 8:00 am
G3 1642 leaving REC at 8:30 am arrives FOR at 9:40 am
4 G3 1817 leaving SSA at 1:15 am arrives GRU at 3:35 am
G3 1772 leaving GRU at 8:00 am arrives FOR at 11:20 am
5 JJ 3195 leaving SSA at 3:50 am arrives GIG at 5:50 am
JJ 3536 leaving GIG at 8:55 am arrives FOR at 12:05 pm
georgiapeach:
Or then again, maybe it is chartered flights??
--- Quote from: Neobie on August 19, 2008, 07:02:32 PM ---
"Sign up for one of three/four charter planes/helicopters/buses/camels leaving the next morning leaving at staggered departure times."
"We're team number seven? / We're made the seven o' clock?"
:nuala:
--- End quote ---
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--- Quote from: Chateau d If on August 21, 2008, 12:55:42 AM ---You've got some lousy Leg 2 flights to choose from:
--- Quote ---4/25 leg 2, choices of flights from Salvador to Fortaleza are:
SSA FOR JJ8003 1130 1310
SSA FOR G31642 0645 0945
SSA FOR G31260 1100 1350
SSA GRU JJ3171 0600 0830 connecting GRU with JJ3302 0930 1245
followed by tasks in Fortzaleza
--- End quote ---
Thanks for your research, Chateau, but I consider it to be inapplicable because your assumptions are not right. Tasks will happen all day in Salvador after a mid-morning arrival there. The pitstop is unlikely to start much before very late afternoon. Add 12 hours and you have my flights shown as the only ones that work. We'll
Seeing that at least one team will be ready to start the leg as early as about 11:15 pm. They will arrive in Fortaleza much sooner if they choose from these flights: :neener:
1 JJ 3366 leaving SSA at 2:30 am arrives FOR at 4:15 am
2 JJ 3890 leaving SSA at 3:30 am arrives REC at 4:45 am
JJ 3890 leaving REC at 5:20 am arrives FOR at 6:35 am
3 G3 1642 leaving SSA at 6:45 am arrives REC at 8:00 am
G3 1642 leaving REC at 8:30 am arrives FOR at 9:40 am
4 G3 1817 leaving SSA at 1:15 am arrives GRU at 3:35 am
G3 1772 leaving GRU at 8:00 am arrives FOR at 11:20 am
5 JJ 3195 leaving SSA at 3:50 am arrives GIG at 5:50 am
JJ 3536 leaving GIG at 8:55 am arrives FOR at 12:05 pm
--- End quote ---
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