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Timetables and Flight Information
puddin:
Cochabamba :elvis: Chateau :jam:
wishful thinking that the missing SA leg is in Sucre, this is the place that I saw on the Science Channel? a few weeks ago and has amazing Dinosaur fossils.
The city of Sucre is also known as the City of Four Names, being those names La Plata, Charcas, Ciudad Blanca (White City), and Sucre. On December 13, 1991 UNESCO declared the Historic City of Sucre a "World Heritage Site" in recognition of its rich history and its wealth of colonial architecture
apskip:
--- Quote from: Chateau d If on May 17, 2008, 05:17:35 PM ---I've been working on the timing for our Bolivian leg. We have several pieces of evidence to accommodate. Here are the terms:
1) A Canadian ex-patriot saw production working around wooden bikes and a U-Turn sign in La Paz, Bolivia. She wrote that it was on the day she took possession of her La Paz apartment which turns out to be located opposite El Monticulo. And she had previously written on April 25th that the move-in was expected to be "on Tuesday". That would be April 29th. This date will conflict another piece of evidence so be prepared to allow it to adjust.
2) A traveler spotted Phil at the airport of Santa Cruz, Bolivia. The sighting was in the range 9 am to 12:45 pm. :tup:
3) A traveler spotted several teams at the Santiago airport on April 30th. He has estimated that they arrived in two bunches between 4 and 6 pm. :tup:
4) On April 29th, the only flights into Santa Cruz prior to Phil getting spotted were from La Paz and Cochabamba (I say Cochabamba when I hit my thumb with my hammer!). And, for the time period involved, there were no flights into Cochbamba other than La Paz. :duno:
A Difficult Conclusion:
Phil was not on his way to La Paz on April 29th. He must have arrived from La Paz. So the Bolivian leg had been completed and his mat duties there were done. So the Canadian lady saw the U-turn and the wooden bikes in La Paz on the day before: April 28th.
With that in mind we can figure out the likely flights that teams used to get to Santiago on April 30th. Here is what I found for the two waves or groups that reached Santiago:
Wave 1:
Fly Aerosur 210 leaving La Paz at 8:30 am and arriving in Santa Cruz at 9:30 am
Continue on Aerosur 210 leaving Santa Cruz at 10:45 am and arriving in Buenos Aires at 2:30 pm
Fly Air Canada 93 leaving Buenos Aires at 4:00 pm and arriving in Santiago at 5:20 pm
As a potential bonus, if they arrived early enough in Buenos Aires, they could fly Aerolineas Argentinas 1288 leaving Buenos Aires at 2:45 pm and arriving in Santiago at 4:00 pm. :jam:
Wave 2:
Fly Lan Airlines 965 leaving La Paz at 12:45 pm and arriving in Iquique at 1:50 pm
Continue with Lan Airlines 965 leaving Iquique at 3:15 pm and arriving in Santiago at 5:25 pm
ETA: I just noticed that Wave 1 is equal to Neobie's 'pointless' flight for Phil. :bow: Well, at least my Wave 2 is new. :lol:
--- End quote ---
Needless to say, I agree with your above analysis. In fact it looks a lot like this, which I cited on May 12 on another thread(Spoilers):
I believe that a sighting of Phil midday on April 29 at VVI was making the connection between either of the 2 nonstop flights from LPB into VVI that morning and LA967 departing from VVI at 1205 to SCL with stop in Iquique. If it is to LPB, then Phil could not do a mat in LaPaz, turn around, and get a flight(actually the same one on April 30) that will arrive SCL prior to 1725 on 4/30.
Chateau d If:
--- Quote ---If it is to LPB, then Phil could not do a mat in LaPaz, turn around, and get a flight(actually the same one on April 30) that will arrive SCL prior to 1725 on 4/30.
--- End quote ---
See, you missed the point. Phil could have flown from VVI to La Paz and done mat duties on the afternoon of April 29th. And from there he could take flights from La Paz to get to Santiago that will arrive prior to 1725 on 4/30. Here is how that could have happened:
Fly Aerosur 126 leaving Santa Cruz at 12:30 pm and arriving in La Paz at 1:30 pm.
Phil performs mat duties 3 pm until next morning if needed. Then on April 30th:
Fly Lan Airlines 965 leaving La Paz at 12:45 pm and arriving in Iquique at 1:50 pm
Continue with Lan Airlines 965 leaving Iquique at 3:15 pm and arriving in Santiago at 5:25 pm
I'm not saying this is what happened. My point is that, in order to establish that it did not happen we had to show that Phil could not have arrived at Santa Cruz from any place other than La Paz.
Having established that we get to rule out April 29th as the day that teams performed tasks in La Paz.
Your prior post expressed this as your belief. But without the correct reasoning because, as shown above, Phil could have flown from VVI to La Paz and done mat duties on the afternoon of April 29th.
--- Quote ---I believe that a sighting of Phil midday on April 29 at VVI was making the connection between either of the 2 nonstop flights from LPB into VVI that morning and LA967 departing from VVI at 1205 to SCL with stop in Iquique.
--- End quote ---
apskip:
TIMETABLE through arrival at Dubai(for leg there or transit elsewhere) with further updates on Auckland through Siem Reap
AR13 TIMETABLE
Depending on when they arrive at LAX, teams have choices of 3 flight combinations to Sao Paulo:
4/22, leg 1
LAX DFW AA2446 1250 1740 connecting in Dallas with DFW GRU AA963 1945 0750+1 (Note: first to arrive if on schedule)
LAX MIA AA252 1355 2142 connecting in Miami with MIA GRU 2330 0830+1 (Note: second to arrive if on schedule)
LAX GRU UA843 1405 1005+1 with a stop in ORD from 2005 to 2132 (Note: third and last to arrive)
4/23
This means that the tasks in Sao Paulo will have to take until after noon at the very least and that with a 12 hour pitstop it will be after midnight when teams are released.
4/24, leg 2
There are numerous 2 1/4 hour nonstop flights from Sao Paulo to Salvador. However, choices are limited to the first 2 daily by virtue of the sighting of teams descending the exterior of the elevator just after 9am on 4/24. Those who were sighted could only be on this flight:
G3 1816 GRU SSA 0410 0625
Later teams could be on G31982 GRU SSA 0735 0950, but they will be quite a bit later to the elevator.
4/25 - 4/28, leg 3
We do not know where teams go next. It could be Fortaleza, Recife, Manaus, Brasilia, LaPaz, Asuncion or elsewhere.
4/27 leg 4
Teams arrive in LaPaz Bolivia from by air.
4/28
Teams do tasks in Bolivia and then have a pitstop in the LaPaz area.
4/29 start of leg 5
Teams fly from Santa Cruz to Santiago. Choices are:
LAN967 VVI SCL 1205 1725
LAN967 VVI IQT 1205 1355 LAN365 IQT SCL 1920 2230
TA34 VVI LIM 0805 0900 TA33 LIM SCL 2100 0205+1
4/30
It is highly highly likely that there is a REST DAY in the Santiago area.
What we appear to be sure of is that teams end up at Santiago Chile airport on this evening.
LAN801 2245 0355+2 SCL AKL
5/2
Teams do tasks somewhere on the North Island of New Zealand from early morning until late evening when a pitstop starts.
5/3 and 5/4, leg 6
Teams return to Auckland International Airport and fly out in multiple bunches from noon until midnight. Choices of routes from AKL to REP (Siem Reap) are:
AKL BKK TG990 1315 2100, connecting with BKK REP PG903 0800 0900
AKL SYD 1245 1415 NZ119 or 1325 1450 QF190 or 1550 1715 EK419 (note: since it is rumored that an Emirates flight was used, EK419 is thee most likely of the 3)
these connect in Sydney to get SYD BKK with connection on one of these:
1550 2215 TG996
1635 2255 QF301
1700 2315 QF1
The AKL BNE route has several choices:
QF126 1435 1625
NZ739 1530 1720
EK433 1655 1835 this then continues on to Singapore with BNE SIN EK433 2045 0150+1 and then SIN REP 3K595 0600 0700
The BNE BKK route has TG992 2359 0559+1. this would be followed by BKK REP PG903 0800 0900
Then BNE SIN has a flight after EK433 - SQ2246 2345 0545+1, but it is not in time to connect with 3K595 so teams doing thhis must wait for SIN REP MI616 1025 1135.
Other flights BNE SIN are SQ246 2345 0545. This would connect with 3K595.
There are no flights BKK REP until the morning of May 4. May 4 reports of PG503 0800 0900 not having any teams sighted may be inaccurate, as it is the only flight that could get teams there from Bangkok by late morning since there was no possibility of them leaving Auckland in the afternoon and reaching Bangkok before 7pm.
Another route is AKL MEL 1300 1500 NZ2725 or 1615 1815 QF134
Those connect with MEL BKK 1605 2235 TG982 or
MEL SIN 1920 0100 EK405, which requires a connection to Bangkok or waiting until MI616 SIN REP 1025 1135.
That connection on May 4 is either TG402 SIN BKK 0740 0900 or SQ970 0845 1010. Then a connection to PG905 BKK REP 1100 1220 is the next one possible.
One late team is probably on AKL SIN 2355 0645 SQ282 connecting there with SQ970 and PG905 shown above to avoid waiting for MI633.
5/4 continued
tasks and start of 12 hour pitstop in Siem Reap area
5/5, start of leg 7
Siem Reap to Bangkok airport
PG904 REP BKK 0950 1045 .
Choice of this nonstop flights from BKK to DEL:
IC854 BKK DEL 1330 1615
arrival into downtown Delhi would be around 1800.
It looks like the alternate flight connection for any lagging teams is:
PG906 1250 1400 REP BKK
TG315 1745 2045 BKK DEL
5/6
Delhi pitstop
5/7, start of leg 8
Delhi to Dubai nonstop flights:
AI9897 DEL DXB 0745 0945
AI9895 DEL DXB 2000 2155
AI747 DEL DXB 2055 2245
However, some close connections cannot be ruled out:
DEL DOH QR233 0500 0620 connecting to DOH DXB QR100 0755 1000
DEL AUH 9W582 2100 2335 connecting to AUH DXB 9W7485 0115 0245 (Neobie says this is a bus; I believe him)
5/8 - 5/13 TO BE DETERMINED, with finish of leg 8 plus legs 9 and 10 having to be somewhere
5/14 leg 11, the FINISH LINE in The Rose City, Portland Oregon
Chateau d If:
Apskip, I see some information in your timeline that is inconsistent with the spoilers we know about. For example, I hope we don't forget that Teams may actually go to La Paz to ride the wooden bikes that were seen next to the "U-Turn" sign with red and yellow flags.
Also, I note that you have arranged flights with the pretext that 'these are the choices' when there are additional valid flights that accomplish the same thing. For example, if Teams make this choice of flights from Auckland to Siem Reap they will actually be scheduled to arrive ahead of any of the 'choices' you laid out:
Fly Emirates 433 leaving Auckland on May 3rd at 4:55 pm and arriving in Brisbane at 6:35 pm
Continue with Emirates 433 leaving Brisbane on May 3rd at 8:05 pm and arriving in Singapore at 1:50 am
Fly Jetstar Asia 595 leaving Singapore on May 4th at 6:00 am and arriving in Siem Reap at 7:05 am.
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