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Timetables and Flight Information
apskip:
the possiblity of Kazahstan(puddin's speculation on spoliers post #114) intrigues me a great deal. Few of us, even the geographers among us, know much about Kazazhstan. I had to give myself a brief overview course on it. There are a few major cities:
Almaty (formerly known as Alma Ata to ice skating enthusiasts who remember that this is where the Soviet Unioin trained its skaters; it may also be where there was some space launches if memory serves me), the former capital
Ashkabad
Astana - current capital city
Karaganda
Shymkent
Talas/Taras
Here is the domestic WINTER SCHEDULE(not currently in effect) of its airline (Air Astana) from Almaty to give you an idea of where fligihts are made and how often:
AKTAU А320 KC 860 .....6. 00:50 04:30 KC 859 20:10 22:20
AKTAU B757-200 KC 858 .2.4... 11:00 14:40 KC 857 07:20 9:30
AKTAU B757-200 KC 858 1.3.5.. 11:45 15:25 KC 857 08:00 10:10
AKTAU B737-800 KC 858 ......7 11:45 15:25 KC 857 08:05 10:15
AKTAU YAK42 DV 832 .....6. 13:30 18:50 DV 831 08:10 11:20
AKTAU AN24 DV 822 ..3.... 13:30 20:20 DV 821 10:00 15:40
AKTAU А320 KC 860 1...... 23:50 03:30 KC 859 21:10 23:20
AKTYUBINSK А320 KC 864 .2.4567 10:40 14:05 KC 863 07:40 9:15
AKTYUBINSK B737-700 KC 864 1...... 11:20 14:45 KC 863 08:15 9:50
AKTYUBINSK YAK42 DV 816 ....5.. 18:25 22:05 DV 815 15:00 16:45
ASTANA B737-700 KC 852 .2...6. 09:40 11:20 KC 853 12:55 14:40
ASTANA B737-700 KC 854 1234567 15:40 17:20 KC 853 12:55 14:40
ASTANA B737-700 KC 956 ....5.. 18:10 19:50 KC 853 12:55 14:40
ASTANA B737-700 KC 954 .234... 20:40 22:20 KC 955 15:25 17:10
ASTANA B737-700 KC 992 1234567 21:05 22:45 KC 991 06:15 7:55
ASTANA B737-700 KC 856 1234567 21:40 23:20 KC 855 18:55 20:40
ASTANA B737-700 KC 954 ......7 22:00 23:40 KC 953 19:15 21:00
ASTANA B737-700 KC 954 ....5.. 22:00 23:35 KC 953 19:15 21:00
ASTANA B737-700 KC 956 1...... 22:40 00:20 KC 955 19:55 21:40
ATYRAU B757-200 KC 878 1...... 09:55 16:15 KC 879 06:25 11:00
ATYRAU AN24 DV 836 .2...6. 15:00 22:35 DV 835 08:00 13:40
ATYRAU F-50 KC 974 1..4... 15:35 23:15 KC 973 08:00 14:35
ATYRAU B757-200 KC 886 ......7 23:00 02:50 KC 885 19:30 21:40
KARAGANDA F-50 KC 312 .23.567 11:00 13:25 KC 311 07:50 10:10
KARAGANDA B737-700 KC 312 1...... 16:40 17:50 KC 311 14:20 15:30
KARAGANDA B737-700 KC 312 ...4... 21:05 22:15 KC 311 18:45 19:55
KUSTANAY AN24 DV 830 1234567 13:50 17:35 DV 829 09:10 13:00
KZYL-ORDA F-50 KC 960 1..4... 12:00 14:15 KC 959 08:40 11:15
KZYL-ORDA F-50 KC 976 .23.567 12:00 14:15 KC 975 08:40 11:15
PAVLODAR B737-700 KC 306 ..3..6. 22:15 23:50 KC 305 19:20 22:05
PAVLODAR F-50 KC 306 123.56. 22:55 01:30 KC 305 19:20 21:05
PETROPAVLOVSK YAK40 7Я 4479 ..3.5.7 10:00 13:55 7Я 4480 15:15 19:20
SHIMKENT AN24 DV 805 1..4... 14:30 16:20 DV 806 18:30 20:20
SHIMKENT B737-700 KC 972 .23.567 16:35 17:45 KC 971 14:20 15:35
U-KAMENOGORSK B737-700 KC 302 1234567 09:30 11:00 KC 301 07:10 8:30
ULGII AN24 DV 826 ..3.... 16:00 19:20 DV 825 07:40 15:00
ZHEZKAZGAN YAK40 KZH 3000 1.3.... 10:30 12:50 KZH 3001 14:30 16:50
ZHEZKAZGAN AN24 DV 839 .2.4... 17:30 19:05 DV 840 13:40 16:20
ZHEZKAZGAN YAK40 KZH 3000 ....5.7 18:00 20:10 KZH 3001 21:00 23:20
From Astana, the international westbound schedule has 7 days a week flights to Moscow, 5 to Frankfurt and 3 to Istanbul.
From Almaty, the international westbound schedule has 7 days a week flgihts to Istanbul, 7 to Moscow, 5 to Amsterdam, 5 to Frankfurt and 5 to Dubai.
The important thing is how to get from Dubai to Kazakhstan. It is easy. On the day we need it, a Thursday corresponding to May 8 arrival in Dubai, KC895 flies from Dubai 0705 arriving at 1030. It was not shown in my prior post "preferred sublistings" table because it was just more than 3 hours from the 0400 window. There are also other ways to do it through Baku or through Tashkent, but direct to Alamaty is the best.
apskip:
TIMETABLE through arrival at Dubai(for leg there or transit elsewhere) with update on Auckland through Siem Reap
AR13 TIMETABLE - first two legs
Depending on when they arrive at LAX, teams have choices of 3 flight combinations to Sao Paulo:
4/22
LAX DFW AA2446 1250 1740 connecting in Dallas with DFW GRU AA963 1945 0750+1 (Note: first to arrive if on schedule)
LAX MIA AA252 1355 2142 connecting in Miami with MIA GRU 2330 0830+1 (Note: second to arrive if on schedule)
LAX GRU UA843 1405 1005+1 with a stop in ORD from 2005 to 2132 (Note: third and last to arrive)
4/23
This means that the tasks in Sao Paulo will have to take until after noon at the very least and that with a 12 hour pitstop it will be after midnight when teams are released.
4/24
There are numerous 2 1/4 hour nonstop flights from Sao Paulo to Salvador. However, choices are limited to the first 2 daily by virtue of the sighting of teams descending the exterior of the elevator just after 9am on 4/24. Those who were sighted could only be on this flight:
G3 1816 GRU SSA 0410 0625
Later teams could be on G31982 GRU SSA 0735 0950, but they will be quite a bit later to the elevator.
4/25 - 4/28
We do not know where teams go next. It could be Fortaleza, Recife, Manaus, Brasilia, LaPaz, Asuncion or elsewhere. It is highly highly likely that there is a REST DAY on 4/30 in the Santiago area.
4/28
Teams arrive in Santa Cruz Bolivia
4/29
Teams fly from Santa Cruz to Santiago. Chocies are:
LAN967 VVI SCL 1205 1725
LAN967 VVI IQT 1205 1355 LAN365 IQT SCL 1920 2230
TA34 VVI LIM 0805 0900 TA33 LIM SCL 2100 0205+1
4/30
It is highly highly likely that there is a REST DAY in the Santiago area.
What we appear to be sure of is that teams end up at Santiago Chile airport on this evening.
LAN801 2245 0355+2 SCL AKL
5/2
teams enjoy a REST DAY in Auckland from the early morning until late evening, then return to the Auckland International Airport to continue the transSouthPacific quest:
SQ282 2255 0645 AKL SIN
5/3
SQ972 1030 1155 SIN BKK
PG913 1510 1630 BKK REP
5/5
Siem Reap to Bangkok airport
PG904 REP BKK 0950 1045 .
Choice of this nonstop flights from BKK to DEL:
IC854 BKK DEL 1330 1615
arrival into downtown Delhi would be around 1800.
It looks like the alternate flight connection for any lagging teams is:
PG906 1250 1400 REP BKK
TG315 1745 2045 BKK DEL
5/6
Delhi
5/7
Delhi to Dubai nonstop flights:
AI9897 DEL DXB 0745 0945
AI9895 DEL DXB 2000 2155
AI747 DEL DXB 2055 2245
However, some close connections cannot be ruled out:
DEL DOH QR233 0500 0620 connecting to DOH DXB QR100 0755 1000
DEL AUH 9W582 2100 2335 connecting to AUH DXB 9W7485 0115 0245 (Neobie says this is a bus; I believe him)
5/8 - 5/13 TO BE DETERMINED
5/14 FINISH LINE in The Rose City, Portland Oregon
puddin:
Just to keep you jumping apskips ;)
--- Quote from: Julz on May 14, 2008, 08:24:06 PM ---Hi Stacy,
I saw TAR teams today as well at PDX. I drive the international buses at PDX but not today. However, I was driving the terminal parking lot buses today and saw a camera man /sound man running after a very tan blond woman in a florescent green sporty outfit, backpack and one of those TAR clue cards (?) in her hand just about the time the Germany flight would have landed. They were getting a taxi here at PDX. I had to keep my eyes on my driving but a person in the bus said they were from The Amazing Race.
My next loop around (20 minutes later), I arrived at the terminal and saw more teams grabbing a taxi. Fortunately I was driving the Employee lot bus and one of the supervisors (who got on camera & had to sign a TAR release for TV) confirmed that the teams in fact were from TAR and got off the Lufthansa flight from Germany to Portland OR. They were headed up to Washington state. He also said there were only 4 teams and perhaps the other two teams went up via Seattle first - but that of course is purely speculation.
--- End quote ---
gingerman28:
--- Quote from: puddin on May 14, 2008, 08:30:40 PM ---Just to keep you jumping apskips ;)
--- Quote from: Julz on May 14, 2008, 08:24:06 PM ---Hi Stacy,
I saw TAR teams today as well at PDX. I drive the international buses at PDX but not today. However, I was driving the terminal parking lot buses today and saw a camera man /sound man running after a very tan blond woman in a florescent green sporty outfit, backpack and one of those TAR clue cards (?) in her hand just about the time the Germany flight would have landed. They were getting a taxi here at PDX. I had to keep my eyes on my driving but a person in the bus said they were from The Amazing Race.
My next loop around (20 minutes later), I arrived at the terminal and saw more teams grabbing a taxi. Fortunately I was driving the Employee lot bus and one of the supervisors (who got on camera & had to sign a TAR release for TV) confirmed that the teams in fact were from TAR and got off the Lufthansa flight from Germany to Portland OR. They were headed up to Washington state. He also said there were only 4 teams and perhaps the other two teams went up via Seattle first - but that of course is purely speculation.
--- End quote ---
--- End quote ---
Well, that sort of confirms our spec of a non-stop flight from FRA to PDX. So the question is: where did the teams go from Dubai? Somewhere in Europe? Or just passing through FRA (a major connecting point as is Dubai) from somewhere else?
apskip:
GMAN, I wish I knew for sure. However, if you have been reading my posts in this thread, you would know that my prime suspect is Kazakhstan and that with the possibility of Moscow on the far end(as the lead-in to Frankfurt), a series of flights conforming to the expected timing of the race and going that way is the #1 choice of out several hundred for the route actually used by AR13. I have a lot of flight information showing TransAlantic Airways as the primary carrier inside Kazahstan, but that cannot be true unless they acquired Air Astana, the current Kazakh national airline. So I will be using the KC code for Air Astana a lot here in spite of the fact that the flight information source listed them as TransAtlantic (which is really of the Gambias, so what the heck would they be doing in Kazakhstsan? The flight pattern shown could be reversed between Almaty and Astana(this would benefit flights to Moscow but minimize flights from TSE to ALA, so there are tradeoffs), but the main reason I did not do that is inefficiency. With a race against the clock to reach Portland by May 14, it is critical that hours not be lost backtracking.
May 8, leg 7
KC954 0705 1030 DXB ALA, then tasks in Alamaty
May 9, leg 8
choice of 4 flights ALA TSE(Astana):
KC851 0605 0800
KC617 0940 1125
KC951 1225 1405
KC953 1610 1755
following arrival in Astana there will be tasks
May 10, leg 9
KC204 0625 0700 TSE DME (Moscow-domodedovo)
I haven't a clue on where team would go in the Mosocw area since many of the good ones have been used by previous Amazing Race visits, but tasks would obviously be done
May 11, leg 10
LH3189 0705 0825 DME FRA
Once arrived in Frankfurt there will be several cities wiithin 2 hours (Cologne, Koblen, Mainz, Mannheim, Baden Baden, Heidleberg); my personal favorite is Heidleberg but there was and probably is a large U.S. army base there and so that would not be a particularly good choice. Baden Baden is refined, elegant and exclusive, with probably more "cover".
May 12
tasks continue in Germany; teams enter a 36 hour pitstop
May 13
Germany piststop continued
May 14
LH468 0945 1120 FRA PDX, then tasks until FINISH LINE
I had separately listed several major cities which have early morning flights that can connect with LH468 in Frankfurt. They include Copenhagen, Vienna, and Rome. Any of these could have been the city from which the jump to Frankfurt occurs, but I like Moscow best because I think AR13 planners wanted to stay out of major tourist flows.
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