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apskip:
I have some other news as I have been carefully reviewing the good work done in my absence. The existence of the flight combination OK871 Vilnius Prague, OS 704 Prague Vienna, and OS7059(the key flight) Vienna Dubrovnik was based on July 17, 2008 schedule data. This is a good technique most of the time; however, I cannot verify the existence of OS7059 for Thursday July 19, 2007, nor can I for OS5221 which is the next flight Vienna to Dubrovnik. If that earlier flight did not exist, then the early flight combination from VNO arrives at 1540 instead of 1120. I have sent inquiries to both Austrian Airlines and to the Dubrovnik Airport tonight. We will have to wait for a response to see whether there was such a flight on 7/19/07. My conclusion is that the best you can do starting from VNO without that is:
VNO PRG OK871 0600 0635
PRG ZAG OK818 1200 1325
ZAG DBV OU662 1445 1540
The first flight into DBV, OU660, departs from Zagreb at 0930 on Thursdays only and arrives DBV 1025. In order to get on that flight, a team must overnight in Zagreb because you cannot fly into Zagreb early enough from Lithuania to make the connection. Through Vienna and through Frankfurt it does not work to be there by the evening of the 18th. And if you can leave early enough from Vilnius to overnight in Zagreb, then you could get all the way to Dubrovnik that evening on the late flight OU664 arriving DBV 2155. I cannot come up with a rational explanation for the observed spacing unless there were 3 charter flights from either Vilnius or better yet Kaunas airport to Dubrovnik on July 19.
NEW ADDITION - The information that one team got behind because they missed a connection by 5 minutes indicates that charter flights could not have been the sole mode. the critical bottleneck is the scarcity of flights Zagreb to Dubrovnik, so I am altering my proposal to be one charter aircraft that flies back and forth beetween Zagreb and Dubrovnik 3 times starting around 11am on July 19.
georgiapeach:
Well that is a bummer..
What about these flights from patlini, apskip? http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13694.msg240490.html#msg240490
Esp the early LOT one?
And just to humor me--could we get them into/out of SPLIT instead? On the 18th?
apskip:
Dubrovnik to Florence flights for July 20(my guess) are pretty easy to estimate. There are only 2 good options:
OU661 DBV ZAG 0640 0735
AZ545 ZAG MXP 1155 1325
AZ1694 MXP FLR 1515 1615
or
OU384 DBV FCO 1555 1700
AZ1681 FCO FLR 2130 2230
Some teams will get the early combination; others will not.
Florence to India is another easy one. Because I don't think the earliest possible flight combinations for July 21 are feasible unless it is a TBC, I am showing:
LH4059 FLR FRA 0950 1135
LH760 FRA DEL 1335 0115 +1
Trailing teams will have to take:
LH 4077 FLR MUC 1710 1835
LH 762 MUC DEL 1940 0740 +1
If teams go on to Jaisalmer via flying to Jodhpur and taking the train, there would be a bunching point at Delhia airport. The first flight does not leave until 9W 3311 departs DEL 1210 arrives JDH 1330.
gingerman28:
Have we had any thought that the teams might fly to one city, say Milano or Venice, and then drive themselves to Florence?
apskip:
GMAN, that isn't the way World Race Productions sets up travel even though it occasionally would result in earlier arrivals. In this case it is a long way to Florence by road from these cities:
Florence from Milan 190 miles
Florence from Rome 171 miles
Florence from Venice 160 miles
Flights to Venice are nonsensical since the best ones go through Rome to get there and schedules therefore can't be good. Fights to Milan from Dubrovnik start with:
DBV ZAG OU661 departing 0640 and connecting with ZAG MXP arriving 1325, obviously with a long layover in Zagreb.
There is one nonstop flight DBV to FCO(Rome), but it isn't until Friday afternoon: DBV FCO 1555 1700 OU384
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