Topic: TDT Spoilers

[puddin]

Spoilers
ARRIVAL/ Speculation
Well, we've all seen or heard the hype (see above) about a "dramatic" change in the game. This much we know:
- The Early Show cast reveal states that all 20 contestants start the game as one tribe. We see three of the women (sans buffs) emerging from the water in street clothes, suggesting they're initially thrown overboard (again) to get to their 10-person rowboats. Later, we see shots of all 20 sitting around a camp marked with a generic (non-tribal) Survivor flag, (mostly) pre-stubble for the men, with nobody wearing buffs. Fair enough...
- A Mark Burnett interview further alleges: "Two people don't make it to the first challenge. That's how tough it is. It's very emotional."
- The Early Show also showed Kimberly putting on (apparently) a blue buff. This presumably comes at the first challenge.

A safe assumption is that, at this time, the "one tribe" nonsense ends, and we see the 18 remaining contestants split up into tribes. That number could allow either two or three tribes. At this point, it's not clear how many there are. Early indications seem to suggest two (blue and brown, with the names Dan Bollinger of SurvivorMaps posted: Ulong and Koror). But we'll wait for further vidcaps or information before deciding.

So who might those two unlucky contestants who fail to make it to the first challenge be? The Early Show also shows Jeff Probst leading the contestants along their beach, presumably to that first challenge. Has the first cut already been made? Probst looks rather grim. If so, we can positively identify all the men in the walking shots, and only Wanda, Ashlee, Caryn and Jolanda are unaccounted for. Could one or more of those be among the first cuts? Maybe. Since it's not clear when the cuts occur (perhaps after the hike?), it may mean nothing. Stay tuned.
http://truedorktimes.com/survivor_palau/spoilers/

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http://truedorktimes.com/survivor_palau/survivometer10.htm

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ARRIVAL/ Speculation
Well, we've all seen or heard the hype (see above) about a "dramatic" change in the game. This much we know:
- The Early Show cast reveal states that all 20 contestants start the game as one tribe. We see shots of all 20 sitting around a camp marked with a generic (non-tribal) Survivor flag, (mostly) pre-stubble for the men, with nobody wearing buffs. Eventually, they (probably all 20 "they"s) go for a walk with Jeff Probst.
- A Mark Burnett interview further alleges: "They're given very little instruction about what to do, and some of them are genuinely lost. Two people don't make it to the first challenge. That's how tough it is. It's very emotional."
- The Early Show also showed Kimberly putting on a blue buff. This presumably comes at or just before the first challenge. Dan Bollinger reports the tribe names will be Ulong and Koror, and pictures of buffs have been reported by palau islander and Virtual Vanuatu/ Port Vila Presse. SurvivorPhoenix has a nice picture of the three buffs (which we stole, below).
- The NFL promo from 1/23 shows Coby standing in front of a brown flag/banner, with what appears to be "Koror" (or at least "ror") on it. This suggests Koror is the brown tribe. The TV Guide Channel preview shows Bobby Jon in a blue buff.

As far as we can tell, all of the footage released with the unveiling of the cast on January 13th (see Early Show and other news show vidcaps) came from the first day. Additional Ep1 footage showed up in the web promo released 1/21, and subsequent TV ads (see here). Here's our rough sequencing of the oh-so-exciting events of the first day. It's not clear whether they split up into separate tribes on day one, day two, or what. Early day two would be our guess, if new camps need to be built:
TRIBAL SEPARATION/ Two tribes? Three?
DOUBLE ELIMINATIONS/ Wanda? Another woman?
So who might those two unlucky contestants who fail to make it to the first challenge be, and how are they weeded out? VolcanicGlass at Survivor Phoenix reports two key spoilers here:
- (1) The separation into tribes will be done by picking new tribes: "We will see a competition, though NOT a challenge. The competition should yield two winners who will begin a pick'em style chain selection for members of each squad... oops, make that 'each tribe'. The last two players remaining will be cut at this point ... oops, make that 'eliminated'."
- (2) Wanda apparently is one of those two not making the cut. The other is allegedly female. Maybe.

For the second eliminated (ex-) contestant, we can exclude Kimberly, Angie, Janu, Bobby Jon (unequivocal shots in buffs), Coby (tribal flag), and James (challenge-looking picture). We're not sure who the second person is, at least not at this time.
IMMUNITY CHALLENGE/ Speculation
With so many young, strong contestants, we would expect this first challenge to be relatively physically demanding. Coincidentally, some tires apparently used as tribal challenge props, which had been left behind in Palau, were recently reported by Fish'n'Fins, and relayed by Wezzie. What's interesting about the tires is that they have markings on them that match the color schemes of the three buffs. Survivor Sucks EZ board poster Biancaxxx states cryptically, "you'll see those tires in the first ep."

Based on past series, there's a good chance this will be multistage challenge, incorporating both strength and balance. Kimberly, Angie and James all appear to be traversing something balance-oriented in various promo caps, so an obstacle course is not unlikely (and since Katie and Angie are in buffs, this is probably not the tribal separation "competition"). Katie is visible n the beach, apparently exerting herself over something. And a soggy Bobby Jon is shown in the water next to barrel/log-type object. He doesn't look happy. Apart from that, not much yet. Bring on TV Guide.
BOOT/ Jeff? Bobby Jon? Caryn? Janu?
No early-breaking spoilers on this yet, but the 1/21 web promo may make some hints about people potentially in trouble. If past series are any guide, early boots often appear unhappy in the previews for the show in which they are booted. Additionally, being in water is generally a bad omen (fire is life, after all). Along these lines, several people make out-of-context grimaces in the web promo (see below), including Bobby Jon, Ian, Janu and Caryn. Send in the frowns (we caption the last one, "Here I am Silas! Come and get it!"):
   

We note that Bobby Jon is shown not only grimacing, but in the water as well (this may be from a challenge, perhaps falling off a balance beam-type object). So he was our early favorite for the first boot. But with his image in almost every commercial CBS runs, would he really be out so quickly? Maybe not. Ian is also heavily featured, shaking his wet hair, and with his face in his hands. But several people seem to think he lasts a while, so we'll remove him from consideration. So we'll go with a dark horse: Jeff Wilson. In Probst's circa-start-of-the-game cast synopses (transcripts here), the host has a very low opinion of Jeff's chances. And in his own pre-game interview (read/watch here), Jeff himself contemplates (and summarily rules out) being the first person voted out. Close enough... for now, at least.


{ from what I heard..Caryn is safe as well as Janu..I'm leaning towards Bobby or Jeff for the first boot , puddin}

[puddin]

TDT

[cinni]

i can't read tdt at work, what's there now?

[puddin]

You work cinni ? ]:,
BOOT/ Jolanda?
Jeff Probst seems to be hinting strongly that the first boot, and perhaps many early boots on one tribe, is a physically strong player: "The message that they (the players) are going to find out is if you vote out your strong simply because they are strong… go ahead… but odds are, you will back at Tribal Council," he said in a recent interview, as described in Jam! Showbiz. Probst repeated the same spiel on "Good Day Live" on 2/16. Going on the (perhaps erroneous) assumption that Ulong will be heading to tribal council first, we'd list Jolanda as the prime target, with Ibrehem, Jeff and Bobby Jon as less likely possibilities.

- Jolanda is a world-class athlete, who Probst describes as "imposing" and "intimidating" (at least until she disarms you with a smile). The difference between Jolanda and the strong men of Ulong is that CBS has played up the flirting/sex appeal intentions of the men (Bobby Jon, Ibrehem and Jeff), which should keep them around. Jolanda is older, and a mom (albeit a single one). We doubt she'd be too interested in the raging hormones of her tribemates, thus keeping her out of the loop, and making her a target. Furthermore, callmecrazee at Sucks strongly hints that Jolanda is indeed the first boot. We'll go with that.

[cinni]

blech, stupid, stupid, stupid survivors again.

oops, forgot to add thanks. and yes, i allegedly work from time to time and then some. still at work tonigt, sigh.

[Jusalurker]

*sigh*

[puddin]

Is anyone else's head ready to explode ?  }}  Kaos and mass confusion ..blame it on the debil' himself  /{}
Can't help but to love him even more   _*>/
"SERA !!! "

[puddin]

BOOT/ Jeff? James? Ashlee?
For this week's boot, we look again to Ulong. Do they continue booting the strong? Probably not, unless another strong person gives the rest of the tribe some other reason to boot them. Angie is the obvious choice, but we think she's a little too obvious.

If we look to the episode title, we can single out Jeff as a potential boot. "Love Is In The Air" could have a double meaning, in which one of the "lovers" is left hanging at Tribal Council (or perhaps knocked into the air by the gauntlet). The betrayal interpretation seems more likely when coupled with the "rats" half of the title. Jolanda revealed on Survivor Live that Jeff was in charge during Ulong's horrendous paddling performance in the Ep1 IC. So while we haven't seen a lot of this guy, we could be seeing even less of him rather quickly.

James is also a potential boot candidate. He's suddenly the oldest on his tribe, and not as strong as the younger men, and therefore may appear expendable. He also appears to take a big fall in the RC (at least until we get clearer footage than the web promo). Also, as Probst is dismissing Ulong from the first tribal council, the camera cuts to close-ups of James, then Ashlee, as Probst is admonishing the tribe. With the camera on James, Probst says "You need to stop with the excuses," then the editing cuts to Ashlee, as Probst says "and get a plan, or you will be back here very soon." These are not portents of success for James and Ashlee.

Speaking of whom, while we can't imagine Ashlee being stealthy in any way, it appears she slipped under our radar for this week's boot. But as Izad notes at Sucks, she appears to be (or someone pretending to be her is) selling her buff on eBay at the moment (no bids at this time). As erickman noticed later, she's also hocking a pair of jeans. If she's getting booted this week, this is certainly the time to be doing it.

[Blue Jean Baby]

Speaking of whom, while we can't imagine Ashlee being stealthy in any way, it appears she slipped under our radar for this week's boot. But as Izad notes at Sucks, she appears to be (or someone pretending to be her is) selling her buff on eBay at the moment (no bids at this time). As erickman noticed later, she's also hocking a pair of jeans. If she's getting booted this week, this is certainly the time to be doing it.

i do not believe that it could be her and if it is then it is a plant.  i not think they are "allowed" to sell these things before the show ends, i read some place way back that it is in their contracts that they can not sell any item related to the show until the show is over.  Normally all of the buffs and things are sold for charity.  Anyway for that reason i do not believe it is her or that if it is CBS told her to do it and when to do it to set up false spoilers.

[Texan]

I agree T, the buffs and stuff are sold for charity.  They do not get to keep any of the stuff like torches or any of that stuff.  Rupert went out and bought a sling similar to the one they used on his show.

[puddin]

TDT has just picked Jeff  |5|
Ulong RC  Koror IC

http://truedorktimes.com/survivor_palau/spoilers/

[puddin]

TDT suddenly changed there minds  {l{

BOOT/ Jeff? Ashlee
For this week's boot, we look again to Ulong. Do they continue booting the strong? Probably not, unless another strong person gives the rest of the tribe some other reason to boot them. Angie is the obvious choice, but we think she's a little too obvious. Then again, in a tribe infested with models, silly things like logic and foresight could easily be tossed aside in favor of booting whoever was hogging the tribe's hair dryer right before confessionals were filmed.

If we look to the episode title, we can single out Jeff as a potential boot. "Love Is In The Air" could have a double meaning, in which one of the "lovers" is left hanging at Tribal Council (or perhaps knocked into the air by the gauntlet). The betrayal interpretation seems more likely when coupled with the "rats" half of the title. Jolanda revealed on Survivor Live that Jeff was in charge during Ulong's horrendous paddling performance in the Ep1 IC. So while we haven't seen a lot of this guy, we could be seeing even less of him rather quickly.

James is also a potential boot candidate. He's suddenly the oldest on his tribe, and not as strong as the younger men, and therefore may appear expendable. He also appears to take a big fall in the RC (at least until we get clearer footage than the web promo). Also, as Probst is dismissing Ulong from the first tribal council, the camera cuts to close-ups of James, then Ashlee, as Probst is admonishing the tribe. With the camera on James, Probst says "You need to stop with the excuses," then the editing cuts to Ashlee, as Probst says "and get a plan, or you will be back here very soon." These are not portents of success for James and Ashlee.

Speaking of whom, while we can't imagine Ashlee being stealthy in any way, it appears she slipped under our radar for this week's boot. But as Izad notes at Sucks, she appears to be (or someone pretending to be her is) selling her buff on eBay at the moment (no bids at this time). As erickman noticed later, she's also hocking a pair of jeans. If she's getting booted this week, this is certainly the time to be doing it.

In short, we have no clue who gets booted, but it should be on Ulong. Angie, Bobby Jon, Kim and Ibrehem are also possibilities. We'll guess Jeff. We assume Snewser will lift the veil of uncertainty shortly after voting in his game closes. Check back then for the updated answer.

Update: Dammit, we suck at guessing. Snewser says it's Ashlee.

[Blue Jean Baby]

LOL   well ast least they had the heads up about the buff...rules must have changed or like you said on the other post she will be in deep do do.

[puddin]

This is insanity.. ((^ .. will keep you updated on who changing to whom  .

[puddin]

the Buff has been pulled ..  {l{  However you can still buy Ashlee's  size 28 jeans  for 500 $  ((^

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REWARD CHALLENGE/ "Shoot and Switch" - Ulong wins? Tribal switch?
Not really clear how the title fits the challenge here, but it appears to involve the two tribes racing into the water and retrieving life preservers. A number of individual battles are highlighted, but from a Probst statement in the web promo ("The showdown is on!"), it appears the challenge may come down to a face-off between Stephenie for Ulong and Jenn for Koror. It's hard to imagine Jenn coming out ahead in that face-off. So we'll go with another Ulong RC win.

This fits with the CBS clues about a tribe that "relaxes after winning a challenge, which annoys a tribemate frustrated with the lack of work ethic." Since Koror seems to be pretty excited about (and participating in) shark hunting, slacking, Jolanda-free Ulong seems like a much better fit. And since we don't usually see the IC-winning tribe much after that challenge, Ulong would make sense as the RC winners.

The Palau challenge board (discussed at length at Phoenix and Sucks) also suggests this will be a tribal switch episode (also that the reward is a choice of a sail boat, bedding, or rain gear). From the title of this challenge, this would appears to be the one that initiates it. Does anyone switch? And if so, how? Hell if we know, but it at least looks like Coby, Willard, Ibrehem and Bobby Jon all stay put, based on the IC caps).

IMMUNITY CHALLENGE/ "Hot Pursuit" - Koror wins?
Preparations for this challenge were featured in TVGuide Channel's pre-show coverage. Tribe members are roped together, and each carries a 25-lb backpack. The tribes start on opposite sides of a large rope circle in wading-depth water, and attempt to catch each other. As you might expect, this is pretty grueling. Individual players can drop out, but they have to pass their packs off to another tribemate. Eventually, one or more pack-laden people have to catch the other tribe's packhorse(s).

Who wins? Chances are, it's Koror, even though, once again, they have a physically-oriented challenge that Ulong should (on paper, at least) dominate. But we see an exhausted-looking Ibrehem barely moving in the promos, which makes it hard to believe he's going to catch the other tribe. And Jeff appears fine in the RC, so he must injure his foot before this challenge. Sucks poster callmecrazee states, " I don't believe Jeff quits the game. I believe he quits the Hot Pursuit challenge." Seems like a decent guess. Without Jeff, Ulong may have a numbers disadvantage, with Koror's Ian, Tom, Coby and Gregg all capable of carrying reasonable amounts of weight. The promo also shows an exhausted Coby lying in the water, post-challenge, which could either be post-win relaxation, or post-loss exhaustion. Hard to draw solid conclusions from the minimal coverage in the promo. But we'll still lean toward a Koror win here.

BOOT/ Jeff? Kim?
Clearly, Jeff gets hurt, based on the promos. His tribemates (mostly James) are also starting to grumble about his relationship with Kim, who doesn't seem to be doing much else apart from snuggling with Jeff, and demanding to know if she's being voted against. So the Ulongs face a choice: keep injured Jeff, and hope he recovers, or send him packing, and hope vainly that Kim starts to contribute? Tough choice, but we think they'll ditch the young guy.
 

[puddin]

REWARD CHALLENGE/ Home Depot product placement "Better Built Outhouse"? - Koror wins?
The Palau challenge storyboard featured in the "Countdown to Survivor: Palau" revealed (with a bit of eyestrain) this challenge to be sponsored by the Home Depot, at least as of Ep1, when the storyboard was filmed (storyboard discussions: Sucks, Phoenix, Joker's Updates). Hard to imagine Survivor would screw around with a corporate sponsor, so fairly safe to assume this is still it. Mersaydeez says: "I believe this is possibly 'better built outhouse,' since I know there is a latrine building challenge coming up (Ibrehem is the 'nail holder').

But is it? There's all this nonsense with the "tribal representatives," which Koror at least seems to believe might be a sneaky way to direct a tribal switch to rescue Ulong. But since both tribes seem to get to greet Probst before anybody leaves, that seems unlikely. Your guess is as good as ours as to what's involved, but Ulong still seems to have the same people at the IC. As for the challenge, well Probst seems to be showing up at Koror's beach with a special delivery, and Koror seems pretty excited to see him (unless jig-dancing Ian is just impersonating Ashlee Simpson). So we'll go with a Koror win here.
 

IMMUNITY CHALLENGE/ "Sumo at Sea" - Koror wins?
Sumo! At sea! (Okay, a pillow fight on a platform, at least). Looks like a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. The challenge itself looks like the kind, again, that Ulong should do well at, one based on inidividual strength (and a bit of balance), with no teamwork required. Several face-offs are shown coming out in Ulong's favor: Stephenie tosses Jenn overboard, Ibrehem appears to get the best of Gregg. But the shot of a dry, winded-looking Tom squinting into the distance probably tells the main tale. Bobby Jon's comments at the previous tribal council, that they can't beat Tom, will be seen as prophetic. Why do we say that, when all the shots of Ulong appear to be in their favor? Because they appear to be leaving this challenge, heads down, in the same clothes they arrived in. No idol visible. It's possible they're just leaving camp to go to the challenge, but Ibrehem is shirtless in the marching picture, so probably not. Looks like another Koror win.


BOOT/ Kim?
There's a slight possibility Ulong could be even stupider than usual, and boot malcontents Bobby Jon or James, but it seems much more likely that they'll finally get around to cutting deadweight Kim. Yawn.

[puddin]

BOOT/ Kim? Janu? Willard?
Depending on who wins immunity, this one could be either easy, or hard. Jeff's post-boot comments gave little indication that Ulong had a chance of avoiding tribal council this week, but we'll at least entertain the possibility.

If they do return, there's a slight possibility Ulong could be even stupider than usual, and boot malcontents Bobby Jon or James, but it seems much more likely that they'll finally get around to cutting deadweight Kim. Yawn.

For Koror, Gregg said in an Insider video that Janu seemed to be breaking down, so she could be their first boot. Either that, or they could go with frequent sit-out, Willard. But if you believe Mersaydeez, it's Kim this week.

[puddin]

REWARD CHALLENGE/ Home Depot product placement "Better Built Outhouse"? - Koror wins?
The Palau challenge storyboard featured in the "Countdown to Survivor: Palau" revealed (with a bit of eyestrain) this challenge to be sponsored by the Home Depot, at least as of Ep1, when the storyboard was filmed (storyboard discussions: Sucks, Phoenix, Joker's Updates). Hard to imagine Survivor would screw around with a corporate sponsor, so fairly safe to assume this is still it. Mersaydeez says: "I believe this is possibly 'better built outhouse,' since I know there is a latrine building challenge coming up (Ibrehem is the 'nail holder').

But is it? There's all this nonsense with the "tribal representatives," which Koror at least seems to believe might be a sneaky way to direct a tribal switch to rescue Ulong. But since both tribes seem to get to greet Probst before anybody leaves, that seems unlikely. Your guess is as good as ours as to what's involved, but Ulong still seems to have the same people at the IC. As for the challenge, well Probst seems to be showing up at Koror's beach with a special delivery, and Koror seems pretty excited to see him (unless jig-dancing Ian is just impersonating Ashlee Simpson). We'll stick with that assessment until proven otherwise. We find it hard to believe Ulong could win a challenge requiring planning, foresight, cooperation and teamwork. Koror wins?
 
IMMUNITY CHALLENGE/ "Sumo at Sea" - Koror wins
Sumo! At sea! (Okay, a pillow fight on a platform, at least). Looks like a lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. The challenge itself looks like the kind, again, that Ulong should do well at, one based on inidividual strength (and a bit of balance), with no teamwork required. Several face-offs are shown coming out in Ulong's favor: Stephenie tosses Jenn overboard, Ibrehem appears to get the best of Gregg. But the shot of a dry, winded-looking Tom squinting into the distance probably tells the main tale. Bobby Jon's comments at the previous tribal council, that they can't beat Tom, will be seen as prophetic. Why do we say that, when all the shots of Ulong appear to be in their favor (except the one of Tom)? Dunno, but we still think Tom will take the challenge for Koror. The caps show a 3-1 Ulong advantage. But Coby looks in a position to win, and there's no reason to believe Kim will suddenly start helping in challenges, so it could easily be 3-3. As the Heartbreak Yid and BJ pointed out in Sucks Spoilers and MeSS respectively, the last two caps of Ibrehem better fit him losing a bout. So we'll go with a Koror win, perhaps with good old Ibe the final Ulong to fall.
 
BOOT/ Kim
Depending on who wins immunity, this one could be either easy, or hard. Jeff's post-boot comments gave little indication that Ulong had a chance of avoiding tribal council this week, but we'll at least entertain the possibility. Nah, that's crazy talk. Ulong loses again.

If they do return, there's a slight possibility Ulong could be even stupider than usual, and boot malcontents Bobby Jon or James, but it seems much more likely that they'll finally get around to cutting deadweight Kim. Yawn.

[puddin]

REWARD CHALLENGE/ "Sea Salvage" - Koror wins, gets to "Vote for other ? @ tribal"?
   
Once again, going from the Palau challenge storyboard featured in the "Countdown to Survivor: Palau" (storyboard discussions: Sucks, Phoenix, Joker's Updates), this challenge appears to be titled "Sea Salvage." More importantly, the listed reward, while hard to read, appears to say something along the lines of "Vote for other tribe @ tribal." This also appears to feature a planned double boot. Thus the title of the episode: the RC winner will get to muck around with the other tribe's tribal council proceedings in some way, at the expense of booting one of their own. Choices, choices. (Although perhaps the episode title should be "The Best and Worst Tribes Ever.") The web promo verifies this, as Probst states, at the RC, "Win or lose, both tribes are going to tribal council tonight."

The challenge involves diving for white swimfloat-like objects, bringing them to the surface, and eventually some sort of rope-pulling exercise (pulling the collected objects from the small dock to the large one?). Koror appears to reach the rope-pulling stage before Ulong does. Who wins? Well, in addition to the apparent Koror in-challenge lead, while the black-and-white montage of Koror wins in the web promo is all recycled, the shot of Ulong under the word "Lose" (above, center) appears to be new, and features a wet and downtrodden-looking Ulong (especially Angie, compare to the pre-challenge shot below). Post-challenge? In-challenge, observinf a particularly pathetic Ulong diving attempt? Meh, doesn't really matter. Either way, looks like Koror wins.
 
IMMUNITY CHALLENGE/ No immunity challenge?
Somebody's going home. But there is no challenge this week, probably because, as Antithesys pointed out, this is a one-day episode.
 
 
BOOT/ Willard and Angie

According to Mersaydeez, the boots for this episode will be Willard and Angie. This suggests the "reward" may not be as simple as picking out someone on the other tribe to boot, although Angie and Willard are logical boots from either tribe, even with no outside interference (although one might quibble that James ought to depart before Angie). Is there more to it? Maybe.

Please disregard our previous speculation about captured players. We now are highly doubtful that it occurs this episode, if at all.
 
 

[gammonwoman2]

hi, cmewis!!! |5| <[/  good stuff, huh!!! }^!

welcome cmewis!!!

[rmax]

And TDT's latest:

BOOT/ Willard and Angie - Immunity: James?

According to Mersaydeez, the boots for this episode will be Willard and Angie. This suggests the "reward" may not be as simple as picking out someone on the other tribe to boot, although Angie and Willard are logical boots from either tribe, even with no outside interference (although one might quibble that James ought to depart before Angie). Is there more to it? Maybe.

Please disregard our disregard for our previous speculation about spying at Tribal Council. As it turns out, this should happen this week, in a form resembling callmecrazee's description: "one tribe gets to eavesdrop on the other's TC, but before they vote, the eavesdroppers appear and get to immunize the one person it appears the tribe is going to vote for, screwing up the vote because the tribe has to vote right away without a chance to talk about who else to vote for." Our pick for the immunized person? James. If Koror is smart, of course. They may do something dumb like immunizing Stephenie, who's not at risk. But we'll guess James, anyway.

[puddin]

ahh thanks rmax ..looks like we have alot of unanswered questions ..again . I wonder if the winning team hides behind the trees or if theres a tent set up with a hidden camara ? {l{

[rmax]

I'm thinking the TCs won't be at the usual place, maybe on the beach where the challenge and "reward" (food or whatever) occur?

['keeta]

You would think they would grant immunity to a weak player. Why have the competition with keeping James or Stephenie?

[rmax]

Koror probably sees James as the weakest player remaining on Ulong. Remember, Coby kicked his butt...twice.

[cinni]

Koror probably sees James as the weakest player remaining on Ulong. Remember, Coby kicked his butt...twice.

oh yes, one of favorite moments so far this season. the redneck getting whoped by the hair dresser. i laugh just thinking about it. go coby!

[Riverrat]

 ]][ I would have to say James is the weakest one now.  Yeah!!!!! Coby showed him.  ((^

['keeta]

I guess James has never had to fight before. He should have kept low, especially since Coby out weights James by at least 40 pounds.

[shanghilill]

Some Koror members may be thinking merge and if their click is planning ahead may well want to ensure some loyalty by granting immunity to a hackable Ulong member. At this point the only one who fits that description is Stephanie. She supposedly goes to final 4..so someones watching her.

[puddin]

No..Shang she does not go to the final four as long as Mersaydeez spoilers hold up ( I beleive) Spec is there is not even a Merge ..the Green Merge buff will not even be seen . Koror just sorta sucks Steph up and they stay Koror.
Poor James..imagine the ribbing he is getting from his friends ,I would not want to be in his shoes. (%#

[shanghilill]

Was just editing my post there Pud...I'd read at one of the betting places ( I think it was one of them), she went to final 3 or 4 but that's changed so ixnay on that post.

Thanks

And yes James and the ribbing he's gonna get..especially in the south. Oh dear  ((^

[puddin]

oops did not mean to jump all over you Shang  *8/ ..for you  /*^

[shanghilill]

Shanghilill in her best "Different Strokes," Gary Coleman imitation:

"What You Talking About, Puddin?"   =]/

Girl I need all the help I can get..so no need for any of this  *8/ although I must say..it looks cute on ya..    *

 )

[puddin]

I will surf the net some more and see what other peeps are thinking   {l{ ..Shang kisssss   ]*[

[puddin]

REWARD CHALLENGE/ Water race of some kind? - ? wins Pringles and Procter & Gamble products at Jellyfish Lake
It's possible we may have mis-assigned this week's challenges. The "Shoot and Switch" challenge was originally scheduled to be the RC, which might suggest this challenge, yet another water-based race-and-retrieve extravaganza, should be the IC. But the immunity idol doesn't appear to be near Probst at the starting line (that we can see from crappy web promo caps, anyway), and this challenge appears first chronologically, anyway. Also, Koror has Ian, Katie, Jenn and Janu competing, which is an extremely odd collection for something as important as an IC.

Not much is visible for the challenge itself. Koror and Ulong are lined up at the start, with boxes coded for the other tribe at their feet. Two people per tribe (Ian and Jenn; Steph and Bobby Jon) race into the water, and... that's where the caps end. Not too informative. James is shown looking down at this challenge, but it's not clear whether it's a pre-challenge description shot, or post-challenge depression. His hair could either be wet or greasy. Hard to tell, maybe TV caps will help. On the surface, it might appear Ulong has an advantage, but Koror has a well-fed Ian, who we all recall is a "fast little booger" in the water. We'll give the edge to Koror.


IMMUNITY CHALLENGE/ "Shoot and Switch"? - Koror wins?
As mentioned above, this challenge could actually be the RC. But we think not (for now). Going back to the storyboard (discussions: Sucks, Phoenix, Joker's Updates), this appears to be the long-awaited "Shoot and Switch" challenge, featuring vintage WWII weaponry. Except instead of just lining Ulong up, and putting them out of their misery, it looks like they'll be shooting at flags. Too bad. And too bad for Ulong, it appears, because Bobby Jon is shown once again putting his head in his hands. True, it may simply be mid-challenge, after Tarzan misses a particularly easy shot, but Mersaydeez indicates Ulong loses anyway, so it may not matter much. Koror wins


BOOT/ James?
While there's a slight chance Bobby Jon might be leaving his pathetic tribe for greener pastures this week, we'll stick with our original assessment that James is this week's boot, largely based on Mersaydeez's lengthy spoiler thread, unless or until contradictory evidence presents itself.

[Jusalurker]

Some how I feel that pick of Caryn with her hands in prayer, is fore telling. Caryn could be up next.

But what do I really know! Nothing!

[puddin]

Naw Caryn probably heard about the pringles reward   *%#. Hey ..lots of CBS Fantasy points this week for "Goes into the water" .. Pal says that Jelly Fish lake is swimmable.

TDT SURVIVOMETER 10!


Warning: Future thefishbowl.com pundits. Encourage at your own risk.
Contestant Name, info Factors for boot Factors against boot Overall survivability
 Tom Westman
40, Sayville, NY
FDNY - Out-front leader. Caryn seems unenamored. - Mersaydeez: Final four.
- Mersaydeez: "other final 2... I always thought it was Tom."
 Episode 6 Overall
Safe Final four?
 
 Katie Gallagher
29, Merced, CA
Advertising - Roommate's sister: "I can't say she looks super different." - Friends: Katie returned craving "food and beer."
- Mersaydeez: Final two.
 Episode 6 Overall
Safe Final two?
 
 Ian Rosenberger
23, Economy, PA
A 6'8" Max Fischer - None obvious. - evilandproud: "Final two is Ian and a female contestant."
- Mersaydeez: Final four.
 Episode 6 Overall
Safe Final four?
 
 Jennifer Lyon
32, Encino, CA
Nanny - What does she do, exactly?
- Romance with Gregg?  - None obvious.
 Episode 6 Overall
Safe Makes jury?
 
 Caryn Groedel
46, Solon, OH
Attorney - ILT: No major weight loss.
- Mersaydeez: finishes 5th.
 - None obvious.
 Episode 6 Overall
Safe Fifth place?
 
 Gregg Carey
27, Ashland, MA
Consultant - Romance with Jenn?
- Mersaydeez: finishes 6th.
 - Neighbor: Gregg lost 30 lbs.
- Strong guy on a good tribe.
 Episode 6 Overall
Safe Sixth place?
 
 Stephenie LaGrossa
24, Philadelphia, PA
Sales - Thumper/DanBollinger: Ulong [island-dwellers, not tribe] up 6-1.
- Probst, Ep1: "You'll have to earn it on your own" (close-up, Stephenie). - yofox02: Noticeable weight loss.
- Mersaydeez: Last Ulong standing, not final six.
 Episode 6 Overall
Safe Seventh place?
 
 Janu Tornell
39, Las Vegas, NV
Showgirl - The rats! The rats!
- Weak, injured in Ep3. - None obvious.
 Episode 6 Overall
Safe Makes jury?
 
Coby Archa
32, Tyler, TX
Actor/ hairstylist - Social tendencies could backfire in a merge if seen chatting up Ulongs. - tvjunkie44: "believes he goes pretty far."
 Episode 6 Overall
Safe Makes jury?
 
Bobby Jon Drinkard
27, Santa Monica, CA
Model - Stephenie voted against him.
- Mersaydeez: Non-juror trip to Australia with Ashlee & Ibrehem.
- Grandpa: Returned from Australia. - Hard-working.
- Tight with Ibrehem?
 Episode 6 Overall
At risk? Pre-jury?
 
 Ibrehem Rahman
27, Birmingham, AL
Model - Mersaydeez: Non-juror trip to Australia with Ashlee & Bobby Jon - Should get along with Kim (after Jeff leaves, maybe).
- Tight with Bobby Jon?
 Episode 6 Overall
Safe Pre-jury?
 
 James Miller
33, Mobile, AL
Steel worker - Expendable.
- Ibrehem voted against him . - None obvious.
 Episode 6 Overall
Trouble? Pre-jury?
 

[puddin]

REWARD CHALLENGE/ "Shoot & Switch"? - ? wins Pringles and Procter & Gamble products at Jellyfish Lake
It's possible we may have mis-assigned this week's challenges. The "Shoot and Switch" challenge was originally scheduled to be the Ep3 RC, which might suggest the other challenge, yet another water-based race-and-retrieve/puzzle extravaganza, should be the IC. The immunity idol isn't visible in either challenge, so it's hard to say for sure. We'll defer to the judgement of VolcanicGlass at Phoenix, and Biancaxxx }^! at MeSS.

Going back to the storyboard (discussions: Sucks, Phoenix, Joker's Updates), this appears to be the long-awaited "Shoot and Switch" challenge, featuring vintage WWII weaponry (or at least faux, paintball-firing pseudo-weaponry). Except instead of just lining Ulong up, and putting them out of their misery, it looks like they'll be shooting at flags. Too bad. And too bad for Ulong, it appears, because Bobby Jon is shown once again putting his head in his hands. True, it may simply be mid-challenge, after Tarzan or one of his cohorts misses a particularly easy shot, but Caryn is shown praying, and in the supernatural world of Mark Burnett all prayers (such as Ibrehem's "save me for another episode" one) are usually answered. Koror wins?
IMMUNITY CHALLENGE/ "Build It Up, Tear It Down"? - Koror wins?
As mentioned above, this challenge could actually be the RC. But we think not (for now).

Not much is visible for the challenge itself. Koror and Ulong are lined up at the start, with boxes coded for the other tribe at their feet. Two people per tribe (Ian and Jenn; Steph and Bobby Jon) race into the water, and... that's where the caps end. The NCAA ads included a shot of frame-like structures on the beach, and possible bundles of wood. Not too informative. Presumably the two racers per team are retrieving items used in construction/assembly on the beach. James is shown looking down at this challenge, but it's not clear whether it's a pre-challenge description shot, or post-challenge depression. His hair could either be wet or greasy, and he's not shown in the water, anyway.

On the surface, it might appear Ulong has an advantage, at least in the retrieval part, but Koror has a well-fed Ian, who we all recall is a "fast little booger" in the water. We'll give the edge to Koror. Also, Quartzeye originally hinted (and later edited out) that Ulong's chances aren't too hot with James and Ibrehem directing construction on the beach, and subsquent puzzle-solving. Koror wins?

BOOT/ James?
While there's a slight chance Bobby Jon might be leaving his pathetic tribe for greener pastures this week, we'll stick with our original assessment that James is this week's boot, largely based on Mersaydeez's }^! lengthy spoiler thread, unless or until contradictory evidence presents itself.

[rmax]

Someone at MeSS Hall claims to see the Immunity Idol in a shot of the "Build It Up" challenge.

[puddin]

I'm convinced ..rmax , funny I can hardly remember the last time we had the challenges mixed up  ]][