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Offline Xoruz

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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #100 on: December 21, 2017, 06:31:19 PM »
The pros. Much like Game Changers, I enjoyed the new jury format. I feel like it actually allows debate & prevents groupthink. In both cases, neither victory has been a unanimous vote. Also, that final immunity challenge was intense.

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Many people believe that there were too many idol/advantages this season. I donít think that was the problem. In Heroes vs Villains, six idols were played at tribal, and I donít hear many people complain about that season having too many idols.

However, hereís where the problem lies: why do idols have to be hidden the same way each season? When looking at seasons like HHH & MvGX, every idol was rehidden the same way giving an advantage to anyone who found and played an idol. Listening to Rob Cesternino, his strategy is to play any idol and just find it again because you know how itís hidden. Also, the fact that the idols literally had a bright X pointing to the hiding spot made finding idols easier this season. Compare this season to HvV in which a variety of contestants were able to find idols due to random hiding spots. We don't need an idol hiding & rehiding theme. In fact, the only idol not hidden with an X was the pasta reward idol (a twist I liked).

For everyone saying that personal stories always result in a win (Jeremy & Adam), Jacklyn in SJDS talked about not having kids during final tribal and she didnít win. That said, stop with the piano music; itís an obvious spoiler.

While Iím not pushing the same "too many idols" idea, I wasnít a fan of how Ben won in a Mike Holloway fashion. I know some people like that, but itís not what I look for in a winner. Some seasons improve when you know the winner. I canít see this season improving. Also, I know Iím not alone, but that reunion was horrible. Half the time was spent justifying Benís win. They talked to like five people. I seriously tuned out.

Disclaimer: Iím sure Ben is a nice person in real life. Iím just commenting on his game in the show.

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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #101 on: December 22, 2017, 04:22:19 AM »
The sheer idea of this F4 twist is FLAWED, and most fans were quick to spot that.
It is beyond me how production doesn't realize they're implementing an unfair game element.

I actually don't remember feeling so disappointed after a season finale since fucking Caramoan.

Totally agree. The F4 twist practically makes the FIC pointless. Might as well just have all 4 of them make fire and the last to start goes! [/sarcasm] The twist would also suggest a F2 will not be occurring for the foreseeable future, which sucks.

I'm also beyond sick of the idols that literally say "dig here" and you get an idol. It looks so sketchy. To find such an advantage in the game you should have to work for it. Either that or don't do them at all. Production should know by now the social savvy of some players can bring better blindsides than idols. I for one, would've been flabbergasted had Cirie's 3-2-1 boot of Sarah been pulled off instead of 73 advantages being played at once.

Next season's preview looks like it is about to go too far. A parody. A fantasy org. It's stupid, and can easily be manipulated by production.
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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #102 on: December 22, 2017, 05:08:47 AM »
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For everyone saying that personal stories always result in a win (Jeremy & Adam), Jacklyn in SJDS talked about not having kids during final tribal and she didnít win. That said, stop with the piano music; itís an obvious spoiler.

Basically, Jacklyn had nothing to do against Natalie's gameplay. What I mean is, just from a gameplay point of view, Adam, Jeremy and now Ben didn't have a clear victory over Hannah/Ken, Spencer or Chrissy, because they all succeeded in things and failed in others, and the jury may have rewarded one or another . In this cases when the winner is unclear, going personal has granted a win in the three occasions, and I hate it, because then it is not gameplay anymore what gets you the money. And this argument is also valid to hate that F4 twist, where you don't even need numbers as long as you make a bit of fire. I don't like the twists, and I hated this finale, it was such a disappointment.

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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #103 on: December 22, 2017, 08:17:41 AM »
Also, does anyone remember Jeff hyping this up as one of the closest finishes ever?
And saying that the last part of the game was really intense, delivering on all ends, with everyone playing hard?

I just found it all disappointing.

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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #104 on: December 22, 2017, 09:14:50 AM »
I think Jeremy and Ben win regardless of their personal lives. I did not finish mvgx so I canít really comment on Adam but he seemed the most prevalent if the 3.

Unlike the former two though, Ben found 3 easy idols and a terrible twist gave him another shot at making it.


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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #105 on: December 22, 2017, 09:27:43 AM »
The problem I have with Ben's win is that even without the stupid F4 twist, the way they showed that FTC, he should have lost... I really don't like Chrissy (She was too confident and fake for my taste) but I was sure she was going to win: because she won 4 immunities, was in control for most of the game (except for 2 votes) and has a good social game.

I don't understand why the 4 healers voted for Ben.... even Joe said he needed more of him for his final speech, and then he talked about the PTSD and army stuff... that was not even related to the game.

I feel like Ben blew his game at the Final 7, got stuck alone 5 vs 1. and only won because of Idols and that stupid F4 twist.

Quick question: Have we ever got an Idol found at the F5? I was sure the max for an idol was the F6

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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #106 on: December 22, 2017, 09:48:42 AM »
I do agree with your point on FTC. Even with the segment on Ben's PTSD, I felt like the edit of the FTC made it look like Chrissy was going to win. I thought Desi/JP would vote Chrissy (giving her a 4-3-1 win).

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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #107 on: December 22, 2017, 11:11:07 AM »
I dont think it's fair to compare Mike to Ben. Ben used advantages. Mike legit had to win immunity which he did!!!! Mike I like since the first episode and think he should definetely return. ben on the other hand.....

You can't compare someone being saved by winning challenges and someone being saved my idols.

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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #108 on: December 22, 2017, 03:50:53 PM »
Quick question: Have we ever got an Idol found at the F5? I was sure the max for an idol was the F6
You are correct. Adam Klein found a HII at F6 in MvGX.

I dont think it's fair to compare Mike to Ben. Ben used advantages. Mike legit had to win immunity which he did!!!! Mike I like since the first episode and think he should definetely return. ben on the other hand.....

You can't compare someone being saved by winning challenges and someone being saved my idols.
Really? I think you can. It's actually rather unfair NOT to compare the two.

Getting by with immunity challenge wins or hidden idols is the same thing, in the way that you are unsuccessful in the social/strategic play, and have to resort to personal immunity in order to survive. The tribe was going to vote you out, so you prevented them from doing so by other means rather than convincing.

So they both can't be considered great Survivor players, as ultimately they tanked their games. They were unable to put themselves in a position that allows them to progress forward. It goes the same way for both of them.

The thing is that immunity challenges have always been a part of Survivor. Not only that, they are in every episode of Survivor, and each episode at least 1 person wins immunity. So ending up as that 1 winner several times in a row isn't that mind-boggling.

Idols, on the other hand... They never used to be so common. It was either that a limited number of idols was present, or they were harder to find. I won't even go into the advantage bit, because that has become ridiculously overkill lately. But even with idols, they're made much more accessible than before.

This is why a win like Ben's is infuriating, as it would never have been possible if the same group of people played on an earlier season. Mike needed an idol play once as well, but as for his immunity run - that would've been possible in any other season as well. So this is where the claims that Ben was helped by production stem from. Such a win is unprecedented.


Like, why were there 2 concurrent merge idols this season? :groan:

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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #109 on: December 22, 2017, 04:10:15 PM »
But anyone can win hidden immunity! Its a part of teh game that HAS to be used! Unlike idols, the games doesn't need to have idols!


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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #110 on: December 22, 2017, 06:21:33 PM »
Its a part of teh game that HAS to be used! Unlike idols, the games doesn't need to have idols!
I literally have no idea what you just said. :cmas26

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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #111 on: December 22, 2017, 06:50:33 PM »
I do agree with your point on FTC. Even with the segment on Ben's PTSD, I felt like the edit of the FTC made it look like Chrissy was going to win. I thought Desi/JP would vote Chrissy (giving her a 4-3-1 win).
Oh, btw, Desi was never voting Chrissy. She hated her guts.

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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #112 on: December 22, 2017, 07:56:33 PM »
I do agree with your point on FTC. Even with the segment on Ben's PTSD, I felt like the edit of the FTC made it look like Chrissy was going to win. I thought Desi/JP would vote Chrissy (giving her a 4-3-1 win).
Oh, btw, Desi was never voting Chrissy. She hated her guts.
Considering they didn't spend long together she really let her emotions overflow on that then.

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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #113 on: December 22, 2017, 11:38:53 PM »
But anyone can win hidden immunity! Its a part of teh game that HAS to be used! Unlike idols, the games doesn't need to have idols!

????????????????? Hidden immunity?
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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #114 on: December 23, 2017, 01:29:00 AM »
But anyone can win hidden immunity! Its a part of teh game that HAS to be used! Unlike idols, the games doesn't need to have idols!

????????????????? Hidden immunity?

I think they mean hidden immunity IDOL... (HII)
HOWE DOES HE DO THAT?


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Re: S35 Ep:14 "Million Dollar Night" 3HR FINALE (12/20)
« Reply #115 on: December 23, 2017, 05:10:55 AM »
i meant individual immunity!

 

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