Topic: TAR 29 Transportation

[claude_24hrs]

Post any transportation info (flights, trains, buses, boats/ferries, etc.) for the new race.

[claude_24hrs]

Flights to Panama City (taken from live tweets thread):

Copa (CM) 362 LAX-PTY 2208 (6/10) - 0649 (6/11)
Copa (CM) 303 LAX-PTY 2343 (6/10) - 0824 (6/11)

[Marionete]

One and a half hour lead is a lot!
Do we know how many teams got on the first flight?

[georgiapeach]

I KNEW I was forgetting something!!

Yes 5 teams got on the first flight.

The F/F team was the first of the second flight group/

[BritishTARFan]

I just checked Flight Radarand the second flight was delayed an hour!!!!

[kiki]

The teams on the second flight ended up being 2 1/2 hours behind the first teams

[claude_24hrs]

Flights to Aalesund, Norway (possible spec)

Precision Air (PW) 715 ZNZ-NBO 19:35 (6/18) - 21:15 (6/18)
KLM (KL) 566 NBO-AMS 23:47 (6/18) - 6:54 (6/19) (scheduled 23:59-7:15)
KLM (KL) 1185 AMS-BGO 8:23 (6/19) - 10:01 (6/19) (scheduled 8:25-10:05)
Wideroe (WF) 456 BGO-AES 11:53 (6/19) - 12:48 (6/19) (scheduled 11:55-12:45)

Phil and Production Crew

PW712 ZNZ-DAR 2110 (6/17) - 2140 (6/17)
KL567 DAR-AMS 2317 (6/17) - 0724 (6/18) (scheduled 2305-0725)
KL1143 AMS-OSL 0920 (6/18) - 1052 (6/18) (scheduled 0920-1105)
DY408 OSL-AES 1411 (6/18) - 1513 (6/18) (scheduled 1415-1515)

[Neobie]

It is unlikely teams departed directly from Ålesund to Milan. There are no direct flights from Ålesund to Heathrow on 20 Jun, so teams would have been on this itinerary:
SA1321 SK1321 from Ålesund to Oslo, 1425-1520
SA811 SK811 from Oslo to London Heathrow, 1715-1830, actual arrival 1906
Sightings at London Heathrow from 1940 onwards
BA582 from London Heathrow to Milan, 2035-2330

However, better options exist from Ålesund to Milan (unless they were full):
Via Frankfurt
SA1321 SK1321 from Ålesund to Oslo, 1425-1520
LH863 from Oslo to Frankfurt, 1705-1910
LH258 from Frankfurt to Milan, 2150-2300
Via London Gatwick
D82829 from Ålesund to London Gatwick, 1550-1710
U25299 from London Gatwick to Milan, 2005-2300

Bergen isn't likely either. A Bergen-Heathrow itinerary would also involve them going via Oslo. The latest flight is DY625 from Bergen to Oslo, 1500-1555. However, there are these better options:
Via Amsterdam (leaves 55min before the Oslo flight)
KL1188 from Bergen to Amsterdam, 1405-1550
VY8436 from Amsterdam to Milan, 1825-2005
Via Copenhagen and Munich (shorter connection times)
SA2873 SK2873 from Bergen to Copenhagen, 1600-1720
LH2445 from Copenhagen to Munich, 1900-2035
LH1864 from Munich to Milan, 2145-2050

Teams most likely set off for Milan from Oslo. But a bus from Ålesund to Oslo would take 11 hours, giving them little space between Ålesund on 19 Jun and the departure from Oslo on the afternoon of 20 Jun. Was Ålesund a KOR leg followed by a long bus ride to Oslo, or did teams fly into Oslo for a task or two before leaving?

Edit: Oops, thanks Claude!

[claude_24hrs]

SA is an IATA airport code for South African Airways, but the IATA code for Scandinavian Airlines is SK.

[mylomilk]

Possible schedule

June 14
SA 223  GRU-JNB 1800-0725+1 (1814-0721+1)
SA 186  JNB-DAR 1030-1450 (1034-1455)
PW 713  DAR-ZNZ 1600-1630

Leg 3 in the evening of June 15

June 16 - rest

Leg 4 June 17 morning

Leg 5 starts June 18 morning

There was a tweet suggesting teams were in the Zanzibar airport on the morning of the 18th at 11am, so other than what's posted above teams may be able to get on this

PW 423  ZNZ-DAR 1500-1530
EK 726  DAR-DXB 1645-2320 (1652-2310)
KL 428  DXB-AMS 0050+1-0600+1 (0049+1-0539+1)
KL 1141 AMS-OSL 0700-0845 (0700-0853)
SK 1314 OSL-AES 1020-1130 (1033-1137)     OR     SK 1320 OSL-AES 1110-1205 (1120-1224)  if earlier one was full

There was also a possibility of going through Bergen,
KL 1185 AMS-BGO 0825-1005 (0823-1001)
WF 456  BGO-AES 1155-1245 (1153-1248)
But I suspect that the Wideroe plane might be too small to carry amazing race teams.

June 20
If teams are released from/arrived at oslo early enough they can get to milan much earlier than the heathrow connection
SK 1321 AES-OSL 1425-1520 (1431-1524)
SK 4745 OSL-BRU 1630-1825 (1712-1915)
U2 2798 BRU-MXP 1925-2055 (1927-2045)
Although there is probably an hours of operation waiting at milan

[Neobie]

The train routes from Venice to Bari are:
Frecciabianca 35801 from Venice to Bari, 0657-1432
-or-
Frecciarossa 9407 from Venice to Bologna, 0725-0850
Frecciabianca 35803 from Bologna to Bari, 0942-1521
-or-
Regionale Veloce 2227 from Venice Mestre to Bologna, 0754-0940
Intercity 605 from Bologna to Bari, 0958-1700
-or-
Frecciargento 9415 from Venice to Bologna, 0925-1050
Frecciabianca 35807 from Bologna to Bari, 1142-1721
-or-
Frecciarossa 9419 from Venice to Bologna, 1025-1150
Frecciabianca 35809 from Bologna to Bari, 1242-1823

The Superfast ferry from Bari to Greece follows this schedule:
Depart Bari at Thu 23 Jun 7:30pm
Arrive Corfu at Fri 24 Jun 4:30am
Arrive Igoumenitsa at 6:00am
Arrive Patras at 1:00pm

[BritishTARFan]

The train routes from Venice to Bari are:
Frecciabianca 35801 from Venice to Bari, 0657-1432
-or-
Frecciarossa 9407 from Venice to Bologna, 0725-0850
Frecciabianca 35803 from Bologna to Bari, 0942-1521
-or-
Regionale Veloce 2227 from Venice Mestre to Bologna, 0754-0940
Intercity 605 from Bologna to Bari, 0958-1700
-or-
Frecciargento 9415 from Venice to Bologna, 0925-1050
Frecciabianca 35807 from Bologna to Bari, 1142-1721
-or-
Frecciarossa 9419 from Venice to Bologna, 1025-1150
Frecciabianca 35809 from Bologna to Bari, 1242-1823

The Superfast ferry from Bari to Greece follows this schedule:
Depart Bari at Thu 23 Jun 7:30pm
Arrive Corfu at Fri 24 Jun 4:30am
Arrive Igoumenitsa at 6:00am
Arrive Patras at 1:00pm

Although unlikely Volotea does daily flights from Venice to Bari. The flight lands in Bari at 16:25 which gives teams 3 hours to get to the ferry.

[Neobie]

help!!  they are just departing athens?

xxxxxxx
4 hrs ·
American Airlines ,
Please take me home. After the flight from Athens to Philadelphia was delayed from 11:35 to 20:00 we were finally allowed to board the plane. They then told us that customs would not be there for us when we got there. We proceeded to sit on the plane for 2 hours. We were told to sit down and buckle up because we would be leaving shortly (the plan was to fly to EWK and go through customs then fly to PHL). We sat for another hour and 30 mins just to be told our flight was cancelled. I am now sitting in a non-moving line. It is 00:46. I just want to go home. Please send help. People are sleeping on the airport floor. There are crying, tired children, elderly stuck in wheelchairs, and dogs that just want out of their cages. I know you can do something about this. Please. Please do.

xxxxx
18 mins ·
Update: I finally got a new flight. I am finally going to be heading home. It's now 5:13. But, the amazing race cast (a show I've never seen) is on our plane... Cool, I guess. Idk other people seem to think it's cool.

Found out that some other passengers on the same cancelled flight (AA759 on 25 Jun from Athens to Philadelphia) were rebooked on:
LX1843 from Athens to Zurich, 26 Jun 0630-0820
AA93 from Zurich to Philadelphia, 1045-1355

If the poster above was rebooked on the same flight (not a certainty), our teams would have been on the bolded flight to Zurich.

If teams were connecting via Zurich, here are the most likely next destinations:
Zurich to Mumbai 0945-2140
Zurich to Delhi 1245-2355
Zurich to Tokyo 1300-0750
Zurich to Beijing 1320-0515 (there's an option via Warsaw and Moscow arriving at 0430)
Zurich to Bangkok 1330-0530

And here are most likely not the next destinations, as there are better itineraries available (including direct flights from Athens):
Dubai, Tel-Aviv, Moscow, Delhi, Singapore, Shanghai, Hong Kong

[claude_24hrs]

Flights to Hanoi

[paradoxinee]

The sighting for Airport was post about 2-3 hour ago. So I think around 10-11 o'clock in Hanoi. So I think they might flight from London.

VN54  LHR-HAN  08:15+  09:00

[claude_24hrs]

The sighting for Airport was post about 2-3 hour ago. So I think around 10-11 o'clock in Hanoi. So I think they might flight from London.

VN54  LHR-HAN  08:15+  09:00

Indeed. There is also a flight from Frankfurt to Hanoi, VN 36 FRA-HAN depart 1415 arrival 0624+1 which is earlier than two flights. The flight between Paris and Hanoi is a daily direct/non-stop flight.

[redskevin88]

help!!  they are just departing athens?

xxxxxxx
4 hrs ·
American Airlines ,
Please take me home. After the flight from Athens to Philadelphia was delayed from 11:35 to 20:00 we were finally allowed to board the plane. They then told us that customs would not be there for us when we got there. We proceeded to sit on the plane for 2 hours. We were told to sit down and buckle up because we would be leaving shortly (the plan was to fly to EWK and go through customs then fly to PHL). We sat for another hour and 30 mins just to be told our flight was cancelled. I am now sitting in a non-moving line. It is 00:46. I just want to go home. Please send help. People are sleeping on the airport floor. There are crying, tired children, elderly stuck in wheelchairs, and dogs that just want out of their cages. I know you can do something about this. Please. Please do.

xxxxx
18 mins ·
Update: I finally got a new flight. I am finally going to be heading home. It's now 5:13. But, the amazing race cast (a show I've never seen) is on our plane... Cool, I guess. Idk other people seem to think it's cool.

Found out that some other passengers on the same cancelled flight (AA759 on 25 Jun from Athens to Philadelphia) were rebooked on:
LX1843 from Athens to Zurich, 26 Jun 0630-0820
AA93 from Zurich to Philadelphia, 1045-1355

If the poster above was rebooked on the same flight (not a certainty), our teams would have been on the bolded flight to Zurich.

If teams were connecting via Zurich, here are the most likely next destinations:
Zurich to Mumbai 0945-2140
Zurich to Delhi 1245-2355
Zurich to Tokyo 1300-0750
Zurich to Beijing 1320-0515 (there's an option via Warsaw and Moscow arriving at 0430)
Zurich to Bangkok 1330-0530

And here are most likely not the next destinations, as there are better itineraries available (including direct flights from Athens):
Dubai, Tel-Aviv, Moscow, Delhi, Singapore, Shanghai, Hong Kong

There is a flight from Bangkok to Hanoi that would fit the timeline (assuming they flew via Zurich and Bangkok)

[clemsonbeav]

Spec: If teams are traveling to South Korea, and if teams are travelling via American, then the only flight out of Hanoi is a 12:05 AM flight to Tokyo (AA 8421, codeshare Japan Airlines JAL752) on 30 Jun, from where I'm sure there are plenty of flights over to Seoul...there are plenty of non-stops to Seoul from Hanoi, which I'm assuming production would take.

(And then if this spec is true, then there's Asiana flight 107 that leaves Tokyo and arrives in Seoul at 11:30 am on 30 Jun, and Korean Air 706, arriving at 11:50 am.)

[Neobie]

I'd expect them to be on VN414 (1025-1635) or KE480 (1220-1840) on 30 Jun from Hanoi to Incheon.

[georgiapeach]

Why Neobie?  Is there nothing good sooner? HArd to believe they would want the penultimate leg to be a nighttime one.

Looking for sunset times lol

[georgiapeach]

6:42 PM

Thursday, June 30, 2016 (GMT+7)
Sunset in Hanoi, Hoàn Kiếm, Hanoi, Vietnam

[Neobie]

Why Neobie?  Is there nothing good sooner? HArd to believe they would want the penultimate leg to be a nighttime one.

Teams were expected to arrive at the travel agency in Hanoi between 1-7am on 30 Jun. The first flight to Seoul leaves at 10:25am. (The previous flight left at 1:45am.)

We should be looking at sunset times in Seoul, not Hanoi! It's at 7:57pm today, so we may have about 2-3 hours before it gets dark. Seoul might make a good nighttime leg though!

[georgiapeach]

7:57 PM

Thursday, June 30, 2016 (GMT+9)
Sunset in Seoul, South Korea

[naejae91]

Assuming we have South Korea leg this season, here's the flight that suggest the F3/F4 teams most likely taken to Chicago:


Korean Air KE37 (ICN - ORD)
Scheduled: 1040 (Jul 2 2016) - 0935 (Jul 2 2016)
Actual: 1100 (Jul 2 2016) - 0947 (Jul 2 2016)

[clemsonbeav]

Assuming we have South Korea leg this season, here's the flight that suggest the F3/F4 teams most likely taken to Chicago:


Korean Air KE37 (ICN - ORD)
Scheduled: 1040 (Jul 2 2016) - 0935 (Jul 2 2016)
Actual: 1100 (Jul 2 2016) - 0947 (Jul 2 2016)

It seems like teams were spotted starting around 2:00 pm CDT...I feel like arriving at 9:45 am would result in sightings earlier than this.  Edit: But upon looking for other flights, doesn't seem to be any other direct ones that would work.  Perhaps long customs line?  Earlier task we missed?  Or connecting flight?  Or not Seoul?

[theschnauzers]

Don't forget teams and crews had to clear Customs at ORD. On a busy holiday weekend. With a lot of events in Chicago on this particular holiday weekend, especially downtown.

[Neobie]

The sighting at O'Hare was at 11:29am, 2 Jul 2016.

Possibly Anchorage?
30 Jun: Leg 10 Seoul
1 Jul: Depart Seoul in evening...
1 Jul (again): Arrive Anchorage in afternoon, Leg 11 Anchorage
2 Jul: CI5238 from Anchorage to Chicago (0225-1039), Leg 12 Chicago

[BritishTARFan]

The sighting at O'Hare was at 11:29am, 2 Jul 2016.

Possibly Anchorage?
30 Jun: Leg 10 Seoul
1 Jul: Depart Seoul in evening...
1 Jul (again): Arrive Anchorage in afternoon, Leg 11 Anchorage
2 Jul: CI5238 from Anchorage to Chicago (0225-1039), Leg 12 Chicago

But Seoul was leg 11. Unless Africs was one leg.

[Neobie]

I think the possibility of Tanzania being one leg is higher than production making this a 13-leg race though!
I am 100% sure there was another leg between Seoul and Chicago.

I was wrong?
Do we have a 13-leg race? Or did they make the last Pit Stop a really, really long one instead of the usual short one?

[claude_24hrs]

The sighting at O'Hare was at 11:29am, 2 Jul 2016.

Possibly Anchorage?
30 Jun: Leg 10 Seoul
1 Jul: Depart Seoul in evening...
1 Jul (again): Arrive Anchorage in afternoon, Leg 11 Anchorage
2 Jul: CI5238 from Anchorage to Chicago (0225-1039), Leg 12 Chicago

I believe that flight was a freighter, not a passenger. I'll post a bit for a non-stop flight from Seoul to Chicago.

[DrRox]

Noebie,

I didn't think that any trans-pacific passenger flights stopped in Anchorage any more.

Only freighters now a days. This is mainly because they are loaded a lot heavier than the passenger flights.

They could have done Seoul-Narita-Chicago......that way they at least get on an American codeshare to Chicago on JAJL.

Maybe 1/2 leg in Seoul and1/2 leg in Toyko..........I am sure we will find/figure it out before preimer night

[naejae91]

Tokyo Narita airport did offer two non-stop flights on July 2nd.

ANA Airlines NH12 (NRT-ORD)
Scheduled: 1045 (Jul 2) - 0825 (Jul 2)
Actual: 1040 (Jul 2) - 0805 (Jul 2)


JAL Airlines JL10 (NRT-ORD)
Scheduled: 1110 (Jul 2) - 0905 (Jul 2)
Actual: 1110 (Jul 2) - 0846 (Jul 2)

BUT I doubt teams take this flight since teams only sighted around afternoon and both flights arrival time from Tokyo Narita were MUCH EARLIER than the non-stop flights from Seoul to Chicago.

Korean Air KE37 (ICN - ORD)
Scheduled: 1040 (Jul 2 2016) - 0935 (Jul 2 2016)
Actual: 1100 (Jul 2 2016) - 0947 (Jul 2 2016)

Further search there's more flights from Seoul to Chicago but need a airport connection. (IIRC someone said they only started to get sighted around 2.00pm CDT and thus any connection flights that arrived Chicago after 2.00pm is ignored since they would need some time for custom clearance)

Airport connection via Shanghai (ICN - PVG - ORD)
Korean Air KE893 (ICN - PVG)
Scheduled: 0835 (Jul 2) - 0940 (Jul 2)
Actual: 0906 (Jul 2) - 0953 (Jul 2)
OR
China Eastern Airlines MU5052 (ICN - PVG)
Scheduled: 0855 (Jul 2) - 0930 (Jul 2)
Actual: 0913 (Jul 2) - 1022 (Jul 2)
THEN
China Eastern Airlines MU717 (PVG - ORD)
Scheduled: 1140 (Jul 2) - 1240 (Jul 2)
Actual: 1159 (Jul 2) - 1301 (Jul 2)



Airport connection via Beijing (ICN - PEK - ORD)
Asiana Airlines OZ331 (ICN - PEK)
Scheduled: 0840 (Jul 2) - 0940 (Jul 2)
Actual: 0908 (Jul 2) - 0945 (Jul 2)
OR
China Southern Airlines CZ316 (ICN - PEK)
Scheduled: 0810 (Jul 2) - 0915 (Jul 2)
Actual: 0809 (Jul 2) - 0914 (Jul 2)
THEN
Hainan Airlines HU497 (PEK - ORD)
Scheduled: 1340 (Jul 2) - 1320 (Jul 2)
Actual: 1349 (Jul 2) - 1340 (Jul 2)



Airport connection via Detroit (ICN - DTW - ORD)
Delta Airlines DL158 (ICN - DTW)
Scheduled: 1025 (Jul 2) - 1020 (Jul 2)
Actual: 1024 (Jul 2) - 1007 (Jul 2)
THEN
Delta Airlines DL6283 (DTW - ORD)
Scheduled: 1210 (Jul 2) - 1239 (Jul 2)
Actual: 1210 (Jul 2) - 1232 (Jul 2)

I suspect teams most likely take the flight with connection either Beijing or Shanghai (and outside chance connecting Detroit) because of the time they start to get sighted. While production might take the earlier flights including the non-stop flights from Seoul to Chicago.

[claude_24hrs]

The train routes from Venice to Bari are:
Frecciabianca 35801 from Venice to Bari, 0657-1432
-or-
Frecciarossa 9407 from Venice to Bologna, 0725-0850
Frecciabianca 35803 from Bologna to Bari, 0942-1521
-or-
Regionale Veloce 2227 from Venice Mestre to Bologna, 0754-0940
Intercity 605 from Bologna to Bari, 0958-1700
-or-
Frecciargento 9415 from Venice to Bologna, 0925-1050
Frecciabianca 35807 from Bologna to Bari, 1142-1721
-or-
Frecciarossa 9419 from Venice to Bologna, 1025-1150
Frecciabianca 35809 from Bologna to Bari, 1242-1823

The Superfast ferry from Bari to Greece follows this schedule:
Depart Bari at Thu 23 Jun 7:30pm
Arrive Corfu at Fri 24 Jun 4:30am
Arrive Igoumenitsa at 6:00am
Arrive Patras at 1:00pm

Although unlikely Volotea does daily flights from Venice to Bari. The flight lands in Bari at 16:25 which gives teams 3 hours to get to the ferry.

Indeed. The teams likely taking the Alitalia flight from Venice to Bari with a stop in Rome on June 23rd.

AZ 1466 VCE-FCO 1230-1335 (scheduled 1210-1325)
AZ 1613 FCO-BRI 1544-1700 (scheduled 1435-1535)

Then, ferry from Bari to Patras as we know.

[BritishTARFan]

Would the most likely option be one of the many trains that run via Hanoi & Ninh Binh. These take roughly 2 hours.

[claude_24hrs]

Leg 2 transportation

Since Flightstats can't access to historical flight data on the actual date of filming (it requires a subscription to access the data).

Dates between June 12 and 13, 2016

Flight 1: CM 800 PTY-GRU 1524-0030+1 (Matt and Redmond)
Flight 2: CM 725 PTY-GRU 1542-0045+1
Flight 3: CM 517 PTY-BOG 1545-1726 >> JJ 8001 BOG-GRU 2120-0530+1
Flight 4: CM 493 PTY-LIM 1546-1919 >> AV 917 LIM-GRU 2200-0450+1
Flight 5: CM 703 PTY-GRU 1827-0330+1
Flight 6: CM 759 PTY-GRU 2124-0620+1 (Jessie and Francesca)

[maf]

Wonderful claude

[ianthebalance]

Based on the episode, it looked like Matt and Redmond and Ashton and Vanck got on the 1542-0045 and Sara and Shamir, Seth and Olive, and Brooke and Scott got on one that got in at that was supposed to arrive at 0330 (which I think is the 1827-0330). Also, according to Becca and Floyd and London's recap videos, Jessie and Francesca's flight got in 4 hours after the other teams (which I assume means 4 hours after Flight #5)

[Marionete]

I don't know if you guys have figured that out already, but Logan & London transferred through Bogota, Colombia.

[ovalorange]

^^ That same video revealed Jessie & Fran went via Mexico to Sao Paulo

[Zack.]

Filling in some of the gaps in Claude's itineraries, plus spec of my own

Dates between June 12 and 13, 2016

Flight 1: CM 800 PTY-GRU 1524-0030+1 or CM 725 PTY-GRU 1542-0045+1 (Matt & Redmond, Vanck & Ashton)
Flight 2: CM 703 PTY-GRU 1827-0330+1 (Seth & Olive, Shamir & Sara, Scott & Brooke)
Flight 3: CM 493 PTY-LIM 1546-1919
             AV 917 LIM-GRU 2200-0450+1 (Mike & Liz)
Flight 4: CM 517 PTY-BOG 1545-1726
             JJ 8001 BOG-GRU 2120-0530+1 (Logan & London)
Flight 5: CM 759 PTY-GRU 2124-0620+1 (my best guess for Becca & Floyd and Tara & Joey)
Flight 6: AM 625 PTY-MEX 1615-1825
             AM 14   MEX-GRU 2325-1055+1 (Jessie & Francesca)

[Zack.]

The only ways I can justify taking the direct GRU-JNB flight and all get bunched (?) at the ferry terminal in dusk per the sneak peek are

1) a task or tasks in Dar es Salaam upon arrival; while there's precedent of this (TAR 27) I feel like why bother when there's definitely a leg in Dar already planned? Or
2) teams miss the first flight out to Dar; this ALSO has precedent (TAR 11) and I think production 'built in' the extra time with the ferry to account for unexpected flight drama. I suspect some teams made their way on

SA 223 GRU JNB 1800 0725 (+1)
SA 188 JNB DAR 1335 1755 (+1)

which fits with the twilight scene at the ferry.

[Zack.]

Rewatched the ep and it turns out teams were on SA 188 

After seeing that, plus the previews, I figured 'why not see how flights are impacted if teams depart from DAR?'; as it turns out it makes things substantially easier. I suspect teams will have an extended Pit Stop, allowing Phil to take this flight on the 17th and teams on the 18th

KL0569 DAR AMS 2310 0745(19th)
KL1325 AMS AES 0940 1140(19th)

which fits production's tendency to have a 'simple' way out of Africa, especially since I'm sure they remembered the trauma of flying out of DES in All Stars (<3).

[georgiapeach]

See my recent post in LIVE too. I think  so too.

[naejae91]

Does anyone have information about which teams take the Dar Es Salaam <---> Zanzibar ferries on Leg 3 and 4?

[Zack.]

I suspect they were split onto

- ferry A: 1230 1430 (most teams)
- ferry B: 1530 1730 (Shamir & Sara)

Sunset was around 1815 on 6/17 so it fits the darkening skies as Phil goes out to eliminate them.

[claude_24hrs]

The leg was not on 6/18, it was the 17th. Phil left Tanzania that same night after S&S eliminated.

[Zack.]

Apologies, Claude

Also, on the question of 'how do teams get to LHR to fly to MXP', here's a thought:

- teams drive from Alesund to Andalsnes (108 km, roughly 1:36, and since it's a relatively 'safe' area with a late sunset, everyone should be able to make the drive by the end of 6/19)
- teams travel by train from Andalsnes to Oslo
-- Andalsnes to Lillehammer    0738 1055
-- Lillehammer to Oslo Central 1114 1326
- teams fly from Oslo to Milan, connecting in London. My guess is
-- BA767 OSL LHR 1725 1850
-- BA582 LHR MXP 2056 2357 (confirmed through sightings), where they're stopped by an hours of operation.

Any team that is sufficiently speedy could wind up on

SK1471 OSL CPH 1510 1620
SK0687 CPH MXP 1710 1915, or

KL1218 TRF AMS 1625 1810
KL1637 AMS MXP 2100 2240

but in either case they would still likely be bunched.

[naejae91]

The leg was not on 6/18, it was the 17th. Phil left Tanzania that same night after S&S eliminated.

So maybe that's explain Phil come to RB location and eliminate S&S on the spot because S&S fall behind like 3 hours from the other teams due to missing the first ferry that cause S&S just barely arrived DES when the first seven teams are already checked in around sunset and Phil want to take the same day flight out of DES several hours later.

[maf]

From Londons recap we learned that Seth & Olive were on the same boat from Zanzibar to Dar es Salaam as Shamir & Sara. Since the latter were still racing Seth & Olive were forced to stay belowdecks.

[claude_24hrs]

Zack, the best option was the teams took the train from Andalsnes to Oslo Airport Station on the 20th of June.

Andalsnes-Lillehammer, 0738-1055
Lillehammer-Oslo Airport, 1212-1401

[georgiapeach]

From Insider vids:

Teams took a train to Oslo and then were all on the same plane to Milan.

[BritishTARFan]

It looks like teams were on a private plane to Bari

[naejae91]

Is all teams take the June 25 ATH - HAN flight since they sighted in Hanoi on morning June 26 rite?

[Zack.]

Yes (granted they connected somewhere at least once).

On that topic, the show ignored this but from Insider vids flights weren't pre-assigned. Teams were given the address of a travel agency which opened for them late afternoon after the bungee (probably 6/24) and Scott & Brooke argued (:shock) over a flight which landed 75 minutes earlier which might narrow the possibilities.

[naejae91]

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,32899.msg1194346.html#msg1194346


If we follow this race report I don't think they can spend June 25 on the flight since:


June 22 - Leg 7
June 23 - Teams being released for Leg 8, private plane to Bari, ferry trip from Bari, Italy to Patras, Greece
June 24 - Ferry arrive on Patras, Leg 8 being filmed and Mike & Liz arrive on the mat at night time.


Thus, we can deduct that:


June 25 - Teams being released for Leg 9, and doing Corinth Canal RB
June 26 - Flights from Athens to Hanoi
June 27 - Arrive Hanoi, and the remaining Leg 9.

But then we get Hanoi sightings on June 26, so there must be something missing that cause the mismatch.

[Zack.]

Reading back, I think teams DID race on the 27th; there's a lot of weirdness involving time zones and people posting retroactively but notably the Phil sighting was on the 26th (he likely does the standup for the bridge RB hours before teams attempt the task)

The only thing is, short of being oversold to a ridiculous degree, if teams were at a travel agent the evening of tge 25th there's no reason for them to not all just take the Lufthansa flight that Claude posted.

eta-

This is by no means an exact science (why do I have to pay for historical flight stuff now  ) but as best I can figure, teams likely flew in on

LH1285 ATH FRA 0625 0825
VN0036 FRA HAN 1355 0550 (+1)

while Scott & Brooke debated getting in on

LH1755 ATH MUC 0605 0735
LH2472 MUC LHR 0845 0945
VN0054 LHR HAN 1110 0450 (+1) (which, last year, might have had an arrival time of 0430 or 0435).

Since it apparently takes upwards of 2 hours to deal with customs and 45 minutes to find the fan dancers on a good day, it fits the sighting of L&L around 0900 


Funnily enough I suspect teams might be blocked from either flying Aeroflot or connecting through Moscow; teams got to the travel agency on the 25th before sunset, which gives teams enough time to take

SU2113 ATH SVO 0035 0420
SU2570 SVO LHR 0550 0800

to connect to the direct flight from London to Hanoi.

[georgiapeach]

There was a 36 hour Pitstop between  VietNam 2 and Korea.

[Slowhatch]

I didn't see any clocks at Incheon, but there was an arrivals board (below): I'm guessing they arrived on Korean 480.
Why the guys took the All-Stop instead of the AREX Express is a mystery (this page explains the options). Joey can be heard discussing the taxi/metro differences, but...why not both? Take the express train into Seoul station and a cab from there. I think it was the cab driver, more than the metro choice, that sunk them.

[naejae91]

I didn't see any clocks at Incheon, but there was an arrivals board (below): I'm guessing they arrived on Korean 480.
Why the guys took the All-Stop instead of the AREX Express is a mystery (this page explains the options). Joey can be heard discussing the taxi/metro differences, but...why not both? Take the express train into Seoul station and a cab from there. I think it was the cab driver, more than the metro choice, that sunk them.

Haven't seen 하노이 (Hangul character for Hanoi) since the pic was too small for me to look for the first column.


Edit: KE480 arrival time was scheduled to arrive ICN on 1840 daily so they didn't catch the appropriate time on the screen.

[Slowhatch]

Judging by the white dots and the 도착 (arrive), I'm assuming that it's at least 17:28 local time (below-left). I captured a (blurry) cap as the camera panned and you can see both possibilities: KE 480 (lower-right) and VN 414, a codeshare with KE 5690 (middle-left).

[naejae91]

Seoul sunset time was 1957 local time on June 29/30.


By the time the teams get out from ICN the sky was still not completely dark yet.


Teams might have higher chance taking VN414 flights than KE840 if you include the time they spend on custom clearance.

[jtgenter]

Hey guys. Years-long lurker finally posting at the behest of Georgia Peach.

I'm a full-time travel writer (for The Points Guy) and "AvGeek", so I was super excited to see the inside of an aircraft on preview for the season finale. I recognized it right away: Korean Airlines' Boeing 777-300ER (77W) business class. The seats are definitely "APEX Suites" - which are only found on Japan Airlines, Korean Air, and Oman Air. But, the route (ICN-ORD it seems), the in-flight entertainment screen and the green headrest definitely make it the Korean Air 77W.

Korean is also installing these seats on the Boeing 787-9 (interestingly, in business AND first class) - but the first of those planes with those seats was delivered in February: https://thepointsguy.com/2017/02/korean-air-787-biz-first-seat/  Also, the 787-9 has electronic-dimming windows - not the window shades showing in the preview.

My question: did the teams get bumped up to business class in-flight? Or, as an OpUp ("operational upgrade" i.e. when they oversell economy and have empty business class seats, airlines will bump pax up to a higher class)? Probably most likely: the producers sprung for business class.

Let me know if you guys have any aviation-related questions! And, if you're interested in reading my work (over 450 articles published): check out my author page here: www.thepointsguy.com/author/jtgenter

[georgiapeach]

to RFF JT!! SO happy to have you join in the fun!

Here are the two pics you had for comparison:

[Slowhatch]

    So that makes KE 37 a good candidate? There may have been one other final leg where racers were treated to business, but I can't remember it right now. And there was a small controversy about TAR 16, but that was more about bad (linear) leg design that unfair seating.

[naejae91]

^ I think teams did taking July 2 KE37 flight to Chicago. Below it's the July 2 KE37 flight info. (Sorry I don't have screenshot on this.)

Phil and production teams most likely take the same flight on July 1 instead.

Edit: Thanks for Peach saving the day.
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,32172.msg1171183.html#msg1171183

Korean Air KE37 (ICN - ORD)
Scheduled: 1040 (Jul 2 2016) - 0935 (Jul 2 2016)
Actual: 1100 (Jul 2 2016) - 0947 (Jul 2 2016)

[cbacbacba1]

   So that makes KE 37 a good candidate? There may have been one other final leg where racers were treated to business, but I can't remember it right now. And there was a small controversy about TAR 16, but that was more about bad (linear) leg design that unfair seating.

In TAR 28, teams travel from China to LAX by business class as well

[georgiapeach]

The "prize" for this leg may have been 1st class for everyone!!

[BritishTARFan]

London stated teams were held at Incheon so the leg could take place at night so maybe they'd did take the Korean Air flight

[georgiapeach]

They were held prior to being released from the airport upon arrival, I think she said 30 min or so???

[Zack.]

re: flying to Korea; Scott basically confirmed everyone flew in on VN 414 and were held for ~30 minutes so that they could film the episode at night.

this begs the question why they didn't just take KE 480 and arrive just before sunset but maybe that's me

[georgiapeach]

Last Flight:

http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/amazing-race-host-phil-keoghan-shares-finale-secrets-w484965

http://content.jwplatform.com/previews/dViLLfJd-qInh6Xrr (video link)

[Neobie]

So... I bit the bullet and paid for a month's subscription at FlightStats. (If you guys have anything to search for let me know!)

Here're my best guesses for the Panama to Sao Paulo flights:

Matt/Redmond, Vanck/Ashton (as described by travel agent)
CM725 from Panama City to Sao Paulo, 1542-0035 (scheduled 1543-0045)

Shamir/Sara, Seth/Olive, Brooke/Scott (as described by travel agent)
CM703 from Panama City to Sao Paulo, 1824-0309 (scheduled 1832-0330)

Liz/Michael
They're seen boarding an Avianca flight in daylight, so it probably wasn't Copa to Lima and a night Avianca flight to Bogota. They arrived before London/Logan, so the best fit is:
AV8375 from Panama City to Bogota, 1738-1917 (scheduled 1750-1920)
LA3505 from Bogota to Sao Paulo, 2136-0534 (scheduled 2130-0550)
Didn't put them on AV8383 from Panama City to Bogota (1045-1214) because they would probably have made it on AV249 from Bogota to Sao Paulo (1500-2310).

London/Logan
The Insider video had them at Gate 32 in Bogota, so they took AV85 from Bogota to Sao Paulo, 2203-0558 (scheduled 2204-0615)
The most logical flight from Panama City to Bogota (on the same airline) would have been AV8375 from Panama City to Bogota, 1738-1917 (scheduled 1750-1920), the same flight as Mike/Liz.

Becca/Floyd, Joey/Tara (shown on a Copa flight, and arriving after London/Logan)
CM749 from Panama City to Sao Paulo, 2130-0628 (scheduled 2114-0620)

Jessie/Francesca (London/Logan say they transferred via Mexico City in their Insider video)
AM625 from Panama City to Mexico City, 1606-2007 (scheduled 1615-1950)
AM14 from Mexico City to Sao Paulo, 0048-1227 (scheduled 2325-1055)
Wow, an extra 1h30 delay on top of a late scheduled arrival!

[Marionete]

So Jessie & Francesca actually had a legitimate chance to catch up and beat at least Shamir & Sara had their flight not been delayed?? ;(

[georgiapeach]

yay Neobie!

[Zack.]

So... I bit the bullet and paid for a month's subscription at FlightStats. (If you guys have anything to search for let me know!)

If you're offering then I'd love confirmation of the speculated flights to Hanoi - my guess was VN 36 (FRA to HAN) while Scott and Brooke debated about a two connection sequence that ended with VN 54 (LHR to HAN), mainly if they're 75 minutes apart (if so VN 36 is our flight and if not I give up  )

[Neobie]

Yep, Marionete, looks like Jessie/Francesca would have had a much better chance at beating Sara/Shamir if they weren't delayed!

I have no idea which pair of flights Brooke/Scott were debating. Here are the scheduled arrivals at Hanoi on 27 Jun 2016 (have excluded smaller airports and low-cost carriers):
0550: VN36 from Frankfurt
0620: VN18 from Paris
0755: VN224 from Ho Chi Minh City
0805: BL790/VN4238 from Ho Chi Minh City
0815: VN54 from London
0835: BL782/VN4232 from Ho Chi Minh City
0850: VN226 from Ho Chi Minh City
0920: VN7230 from Ho Chi Minh City
0925: VN579 from Taipei
0935: KA297/CX5297 from Hong Kong
0935: TG560 from Bangkok
1035: CI791 from Taipei
1040: VN234 from Ho Chi Minh City
1045: CZ3049 from Guangzhou
But there isn't a single pair of plausible routes that are 1h15 apart.

However, it's possible to figure out which flight teams actually took. Teams arrived at the international terminal in Hanoi, which rules out a connection via Ho Chi Minh City. Importantly, we see teams checking in at a Skyteam counter in Athens.

There's a long list of Skyteam airlines that fly into Athens (Aeroflot, Air Europa, Air France, Alitalia, Delta, KLM, Korean Air, Middle East Airlines, TAROM), but if you combine it with the flight arrival list above, you're left with one possibility:
AF1033 from Athens to Paris, 26 Jun 0624-0845 (scheduled 0630-0900)
VN18 from Paris to Hanoi, 26 Jun 1455-0734 (scheduled 1400-0620)

[Neobie]

I was wondering about that shot of Thai Airways landing as teams arrived in Hanoi. While it doesn't necessarily mean that teams arrived on Thai, production has frequently been nice to show us footage of the right airline.

If one-stop options were not available, teams might have ended up on this:
26 Jun
AZ717 from Athens to Rome 0555-0700
TG945 from Rome to Bangkok 1355-0545
27 Jun
TG560 from Bangkok to Hanoi 0745-0935 (actual arrival 0959)

And an option that would have got Brooke/Scott into Hanoi (roughly) 1h15 ahead would have been:
26 Jun
AF1033 from Athens to Paris 0630-0900
AF1580 from Paris to London 1010-1030
VN54 from London to Hanoi 1445-0815

Do we know what time teams were sighted at the fan dancing in Hanoi? The Bangkok flight might have arrived too late for the sighting.

[Zack.]

Fan dancing was around 0900 I believe?

Just from how Brooke/Scott were arguing I'm assuming the flight they vetoed had two stops as opposed to a single stop. I'm inclined to believe AF1033/VN18 as what everyone took though I have to wonder how they missed out on VN36; teams were free to find their own flights and had ~12 hours to figure things out.

[Marionete]

Maybe VN36 was full, we don't know that, do we?
Also, I might be missing/forgetting something, but Brooke & Scott didn't necessarily consider an alternate flight with an additional stop. They were just worried about possible delays, as then they would be the only team falling behind, as opposed to staying with the whole group. That's how I saw it.

[cbacbacba1]

Maybe VN36 was full, we don't know that, do we?
Also, I might be missing/forgetting something, but Brooke & Scott didn't necessarily consider an alternate flight with an additional stop. They were just worried about possible delays, as then they would be the only team falling behind, as opposed to staying with the whole group. That's how I saw it.

Scott mentioned the alternate option has two stops instead of one in an insider video

[Neobie]

Hmm I watched the Insider video again but I didn't hear them mentioning how many stops there were.

Looked at the timeline in closer detail, I'm now leaning towards the Athens-Rome-Bangkok-Hanoi routing.

Can no longer find Paul Frederiksen's original tweet, but Plaidmoon's post was posted at 12:43am board time, or 12:43pm Hanoi time. "2 hours ago" means Paul posted the picture of London/Logan with the fan dancers at 10:58am, taking into account Twitter's rounding mechanism. (Plaidmoon, do you live in the Pacific Time Zone?)

According to Google, it's 9min by taxi from Ly Thai To Garden to Quan Su Temple, 16min on foot to the ladder pick-up, 10min to the birdcage, 10min back, and 12min by taxi to Thong Nhat Park. Add 30min for getting lost and figuring out the ladder, and we're at 1h30 between the fan dancers and the Pit Stop.

Adding 1h30 to 10:58am fits perfectly with Paradoxinee and Emily's account, which puts the first few check-ins at around 12:30pm. Emily's photo of Becca/Floyd and Matt/Redmond checking in was posted at 12:28pm.

To further corroborate these timings, Brina2222's photo shows London/Logan's ladder still waiting at 12:04pm.

The weather also fits. We see puddles on the ground, but no rain except for a quick shot of a windscreen wiper in the taxi from the airport. There were thunderstorms in the morning stopping at 9:30am, and a short bout of light rain at 11:30am. If teams were racing before 9:30am they would have been drenched in rain rather than sweat!

Working backwards, teams left the airport at around 10:13am for a 45min journey downtown. That fits better with a 9:59am Thai Airways arrival from Bangkok than a 7:34am Vietnam Airways arrival from Paris. Granted, the taxis would have had to speed a bit considering the time needed for customs and immigration.

This would also give us Brooke/Scott's potential Athens-X-London-Hanoi itinerary, scheduled to arrive 1h20 earlier. By contrast, there is no flight arriving 1h15 before the Athens-Paris-Hanoi 6:20am arrival; the first flight into Hanoi that morning only arrives at 5:50am.

So even if we disregard the shot of the Thai Airways flight landing, it's pretty darn likely teams took that flight in, on a Athens-Rome-Bangkok-Hanoi routing! (The earlier flights would have been booked out.)

[Zack.]

As I said: I give up 

That said that seems like the best bet; beyond the overwhelming evidence, Phil checks L&L in at what I'm guessing is about 1:20pm; going from the departure times of the following leg, Becca & Floyd and Matt & Red would arrive around 1:00pm (I'm not about to figure out where 30 minutes went; unaired penalty, production issue, Emily posting retroactively, etc.).

My main hesitation was more of how production runs the race now; usually in these long haul Europe-Asia flights there's a fairly simple itinerary to prevent anyone from pulling a Uchenna & Joyce and ending up 12 hours behind, but I guess if they're all sold out then that doesn't factor in.

[naejae91]

The only way to know the exact Athens-Hanoi flight was asking Brooke on her Reddit AMA around 6pm ET today.