Topic: It's Time To Stop Calling Jet & Cord Homophobes

[Tallguy700]

First of all I know completely that this should be in the contestants discussion, but to be fair nobody has posted in the cowboys' thread since May. People, there is no way Jet called Jordan a fag during Leg 12 in TAR 16. Dan and Jordan had the infamous interview on Realitytvworld and Dan specifically said "Yeah, Jet hates gays." Now, for the record, Dan vaguely said something Jordan did on the race must have caused this: Yes. ofc they did something to the Cowboys, they cut them in line, and acted like hypocrites after the race by saying in the interview it would not have hindered any performance, since "My brother has this magic ability to make friends with people he meets.", and vroom, to first class they go. Also, cutting in line is extremely rude, which Jet and Cord were always polite, so I don't think it's wrong of him to be rude back, after all, treat people the way you want to be treated. It has nothing to do with a homophobic nature, it's just about payback, and to hate the Cowboys for such a reason is unfounded, and that's why I'm posting this.

[stekay]

Homophobic comment doesn't really equal skipping in line?

You snooze you lose

Dan & Jordan <3

[gamerfan09]

It's not just that they're alleged homophobes. It's that they're extremely boring and bland racers who for no reason are almost universally loved. Not to mention their horrible personalities. During the Leg 10 U-Turn on Season 24, what did they say when Leo & Jamal U-Turned them? "Those two dirty suckers, I knew we should never have trusted them when we first saw them." So not only are they all the things above, they are (potential) racists too.

And they're always "racing on their own". Want to know why? It's because a lot of other teams dislike them as well.

[Tallguy700]

"Hate the game but not the players." *Pats Cowboys shoulder* "Don't hate" Hate to tell you but Dan and Jordan were mocking them too. Also dirty suckers doesn't have to be considered racist. They said that because Afghan was playing a dishonest race (no pun intended), and they said the same thing about the Globetrotters too, but they made up in TAR 24.

[SamualDude]

Afghanimals were playing a lot more honest game then last time around. I seem to remember in Leg 3 that the Afghanimals helped the Cowboys at the detour but when the Afghanimals needed a hand, the Cowboys didn't seem to care at all.

Also the cutting in line did NOT cause Dan & Jordan to win. The move to first class did which happened on the plane. Dan & Jordan made a great move there which won them the race. The cutting in line did nothing to help them win and it was an accident.

[gamerfan09]

"Hate the game but not the players." *Pats Cowboys shoulder* "Don't hate" Hate to tell you but Dan and Jordan were mocking them too. Also dirty suckers doesn't have to be considered racist. They said that because Afghan was playing a dishonest race (no pun intended), and they said the same thing about the Globetrotters too, but they made up in TAR 24.

So you're saying U-Turns make a team's race dishonest?

[Tallguy700]

Nonsense. If you're last in line you're risking being the furthest back in business class, which means possibly being the last to hop in a cab or catch transport, so D&J were cutting in line to also try and get an advantage, which was further boosted via upgrade. And Dan and Jordan explained it enough to know what they were doing, even saying "There's a nice little line". Also, sleeping after a full day of exhaustion? Come on, and if they were awake enough to see J&C there and put there bags there does not matter. Also, being cautious while accepting help isn't a bad thing, and tbh "not caring" just means they didn't want to get too invested in an alliance in order to avoid being backstabbed, which they were and Marie thought it was enough of an issue to point out that you never really can trust Afghan. The moral of the story you ask? Look what happened.

[Tallguy700]

"Hate the game but not the players." *Pats Cowboys shoulder* "Don't hate" Hate to tell you but Dan and Jordan were mocking them too. Also dirty suckers doesn't have to be considered racist. They said that because Afghan was playing a dishonest race (no pun intended), and they said the same thing about the Globetrotters too, but they made up in TAR 24.

So you're saying U-Turns make a team's race dishonest?

No, but backstabbing does.

[Air]

*slowly picks apart post*

People, there is no way Jet called Jordan a fag during Leg 12 in TAR 16. Dan and Jordan had the infamous interview on Realitytvworld and Dan specifically said "Yeah, Jet hates gays."

http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/the_amazing_race_16/2010_May_11_dan_jordan_jet_homophobic

Wasn't leg 12 of TAR16 ja but he still said it...

Now, for the record, Dan vaguely said something Jordan did on the race must have caused this: Yes. ofc they did something to the Cowboys, they cut them in line.

I use slurs when people cut in line in front of me too!!1! ?!!?!? You cannot be serious.

and acted like hypocrites after the race by saying in the interview it would not have hindered any performance, since "My brother has this magic ability to make friends with people he meets",

I don't even know what to say to this...

and vroom, to first class they go.

This didn't happen because of cutting in line, this happened because Dan & Jordan are better than the Cowboys and know how to get off a plane quicker.

Also, cutting in line is extremely rude, which Jet and Cord were always polite, so I don't think it's wrong of him to be rude back, after all, treat people the way you want to be treated.

Lol. Okay. I want to be treated rudely, so I'll use slurs. This doesn't make sense. If the Cowboys were truly GOOD PEOPLE etc w/e, they wouldn't use slurs which would show that they want to be treated politely. And it's a game for money, and people are going to do vaguely unethical things while they are there. If the Cowboys did it you probably wouldn't be bitching about it...

It has nothing to do with a homophobic nature, it's just about payback, and to hate the Cowboys for such a reason is unfounded, and that's why I'm posting this.

Yes, yes it does have to do with homophobia. It has to do a lot with homophobia and if all of America is going to worship them it's kinda good to not have those people spewing homophobia out of their mouths.

Also that's not the only reason to hate the Cowboys. They are also:
-Boring
-Boring
-Still Boring
-Ridiculously Overrated
-Annoying
-Boring
-etc forever

[gamerfan09]

Nonsense. If you're last in line you're risking being the furthest back in business class, which means possibly being the last to hop in a cab or catch transport, so D&J were cutting in line to also try and get an advantage, which was further boosted via upgrade. And Dan and Jordan explained it enough to know what they were doing, even saying "There's a nice little line". Also, sleeping after a full day of exhaustion? Come on, and if they were awake enough to see J&C there and put there bags there does not matter. Also, being cautious while accepting help isn't a bad thing, and tbh "not caring" just means they didn't want to get too invested in an alliance in order to avoid being backstabbed, which they were and Marie thought it was enough of an issue to point out that you never really can trust Afghan. The moral of the story you ask? Look what happened.

Here's the thing. After the Race Tim & Marie became the best of friends with the Afghanimals. What happened to the Cowboys?

#LosingForTheThirdTimeYASS <3

[SamualDude]

Cautiously accepted help? The Cowboys just flat out asked them if the location was the right place. No hesitation at all.

[Air]

Nonsense. If you're last in line you're risking being the furthest back in business class, which means possibly being the last to hop in a cab or catch transport, so D&J were cutting in line to also try and get an advantage, which was further boosted via upgrade. And Dan and Jordan explained it enough to know what they were doing, even saying "There's a nice little line". Also, sleeping after a full day of exhaustion? Come on, and if they were awake enough to see J&C there and put there bags there does not matter. Also, being cautious while accepting help isn't a bad thing, and tbh "not caring" just means they didn't want to get too invested in an alliance in order to avoid being backstabbed, which they were and Marie thought it was enough of an issue to point out that you never really can trust Afghan. The moral of the story you ask? Look what happened.

They cut in line to get an advantage.
They upgraded to get an advantage and only did it in the last hour of flight iirc so they didn't get advantages wrt sleeping.
Also ftr U-Turns are a part of the game and you have to d.w.i.

[SamualDude]

As for the U-Turn. The Afghanimals were going to U-Turn Brendon & Rachel but decided to U-Turn their strongest competition because of what happened to Jamal's knee. That's not back-stabbing, It's a smart move. They never said to the Cowboys that they wouldn't U-Turn them.

[Tallguy700]

"Hate the game but not the players." *Pats Cowboys shoulder* "Don't hate" Hate to tell you but Dan and Jordan were mocking them too. Also dirty suckers doesn't have to be considered racist. They said that because Afghan was playing a dishonest race (no pun intended), and they said the same thing about the Globetrotters too, but they made up in TAR 24.

So you're saying U-Turns make a team's race dishonest?

No, but backstabbing does.

How exactly did they backstab?

Helping out->Say u-turn Cowboys in secret scene->Promise Country and Cancer uturn Brenchel->get hurt->uturn Cowboys and say they want them to suffer the pain they did, when Cowboys did nothing wrong. Plus Marie said "If you guys threepeat I'll go with you." Clearly Marie is manipulating them.

[Tallguy700]

As for the U-Turn. The Afghanimals were going to U-Turn Brendon & Rachel but decided to U-Turn their strongest competition because of what happened to Jamal's knee. That's not back-stabbing, It's a smart move. They never said to the Cowboys that they wouldn't U-Turn them.

Weren't supporting Brenchel either though so theywere hurting all 3 sides.

[gamerfan09]

"Hate the game but not the players." *Pats Cowboys shoulder* "Don't hate" Hate to tell you but Dan and Jordan were mocking them too. Also dirty suckers doesn't have to be considered racist. They said that because Afghan was playing a dishonest race (no pun intended), and they said the same thing about the Globetrotters too, but they made up in TAR 24.

So you're saying U-Turns make a team's race dishonest?

No, but backstabbing does.

How exactly did they backstab?

Helping out->Say u-turn Cowboys in secret scene->Promise Country and Cancer uturn Brenchel->get hurt->uturn Cowboys and say they want them to suffer the pain they did, when Cowboys did nothing wrong. Plus Marie said "If you guys threepeat I'll go with you." Clearly Marie is manipulating them.

So you're calling Marie a manipulator based on her SHOW appearance? What a horrible person she must be. And the Afghans never said they wanted Cowboys to suffer?

[SamualDude]

Well you could argue (and I will) that the Cowboys should have had the courtesy to help Leo & Jamal when they got stuck and at the very least, checked up on them to see if they were ok.

[gamerfan09]

As for the U-Turn. The Afghanimals were going to U-Turn Brendon & Rachel but decided to U-Turn their strongest competition because of what happened to Jamal's knee. That's not back-stabbing, It's a smart move. They never said to the Cowboys that they wouldn't U-Turn them.

Weren't supporting Brenchel either though so theywere hurting all 3 sides.

No, it benefitted Brenchel and gave them the record the Cowboys could never achieve no matter how many times they would run the Race :')

[Air]

As for the U-Turn. The Afghanimals were going to U-Turn Brendon & Rachel but decided to U-Turn their strongest competition because of what happened to Jamal's knee. That's not back-stabbing, It's a smart move. They never said to the Cowboys that they wouldn't U-Turn them.

Weren't supporting Brenchel either though so theywere hurting all 3 sides.

They did what's best for them though.

lol @ this deviating from the homophobia argument.

[Tallguy700]

Nonsense. If you're last in line you're risking being the furthest back in business class, which means possibly being the last to hop in a cab or catch transport, so D&J were cutting in line to also try and get an advantage, which was further boosted via upgrade. And Dan and Jordan explained it enough to know what they were doing, even saying "There's a nice little line". Also, sleeping after a full day of exhaustion? Come on, and if they were awake enough to see J&C there and put there bags there does not matter. Also, being cautious while accepting help isn't a bad thing, and tbh "not caring" just means they didn't want to get too invested in an alliance in order to avoid being backstabbed, which they were and Marie thought it was enough of an issue to point out that you never really can trust Afghan. The moral of the story you ask? Look what happened.

So its perfectly fine to call a homosexual person a slur because they cut in line? That's just ridiculous.

Were mocked also.

[SamualDude]

It's NOT ok to use a homophobic slur, I don't care the situation. Jet should have known better.

[Air]

Nonsense. If you're last in line you're risking being the furthest back in business class, which means possibly being the last to hop in a cab or catch transport, so D&J were cutting in line to also try and get an advantage, which was further boosted via upgrade. And Dan and Jordan explained it enough to know what they were doing, even saying "There's a nice little line". Also, sleeping after a full day of exhaustion? Come on, and if they were awake enough to see J&C there and put there bags there does not matter. Also, being cautious while accepting help isn't a bad thing, and tbh "not caring" just means they didn't want to get too invested in an alliance in order to avoid being backstabbed, which they were and Marie thought it was enough of an issue to point out that you never really can trust Afghan. The moral of the story you ask? Look what happened.

So its perfectly fine to call a homosexual person a slur because they cut in line? That's just ridiculous.

Were mocked also.

Mocking is socially acceptable, or at least moreso than slurs.

[Tallguy700]

As for the U-Turn. The Afghanimals were going to U-Turn Brendon & Rachel but decided to U-Turn their strongest competition because of what happened to Jamal's knee. That's not back-stabbing, It's a smart move. They never said to the Cowboys that they wouldn't U-Turn them.

Weren't supporting Brenchel either though so theywere hurting all 3 sides.

They did what's best for them though.

lol @ this deviating from the homophobia argument.

Still backstabbing and I'm not the origin of the deviation.

[Air]

As for the U-Turn. The Afghanimals were going to U-Turn Brendon & Rachel but decided to U-Turn their strongest competition because of what happened to Jamal's knee. That's not back-stabbing, It's a smart move. They never said to the Cowboys that they wouldn't U-Turn them.

Weren't supporting Brenchel either though so theywere hurting all 3 sides.

They did what's best for them though.

lol @ this deviating from the homophobia argument.

Still backstabbing and I'm not the origin of the deviation.

Backstabbing is a part of the game.

Leo & Jamal never said they wouldn't U-Turn Cowboys to their faces.

And if so it's still a game and people aren't going to be nice and pansy to each other because that's boring. See: TAR24 alliance.

Also you're the owner of the thread so

[Tallguy700]

*slowly picks apart post*

People, there is no way Jet called Jordan a fag during Leg 12 in TAR 16. Dan and Jordan had the infamous interview on Realitytvworld and Dan specifically said "Yeah, Jet hates gays."

http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/the_amazing_race_16/2010_May_11_dan_jordan_jet_homophobic

Wasn't leg 12 of TAR16 ja but he still said it...

Now, for the record, Dan vaguely said something Jordan did on the race must have caused this: Yes. ofc they did something to the Cowboys, they cut them in line.

I use slurs when people cut in line in front of me too!!1! ?!!?!? You cannot be serious.

and acted like hypocrites after the race by saying in the interview it would not have hindered any performance, since "My brother has this magic ability to make friends with people he meets",

I don't even know what to say to this...

and vroom, to first class they go.

This didn't happen because of cutting in line, this happened because Dan & Jordan are better than the Cowboys and know how to get off a plane quicker.

Also, cutting in line is extremely rude, which Jet and Cord were always polite, so I don't think it's wrong of him to be rude back, after all, treat people the way you want to be treated.

Lol. Okay. I want to be treated rudely, so I'll use slurs. This doesn't make sense. If the Cowboys were truly GOOD PEOPLE etc w/e, they wouldn't use slurs which would show that they want to be treated politely. And it's a game for money, and people are going to do vaguely unethical things while they are there. If the Cowboys did it you probably wouldn't be bitching about it...

It has nothing to do with a homophobic nature, it's just about payback, and to hate the Cowboys for such a reason is unfounded, and that's why I'm posting this.

Yes, yes it does have to do with homophobia. It has to do a lot with homophobia and if all of America is going to worship them it's kinda good to not have those people spewing homophobia out of their mouths.

Also that's not the only reason to hate the Cowboys. They are also:
-Boring
-Boring
-Still Boring
-Ridiculously Overrated
-Annoying
-Boring
-etc forever

This was before I remembered the interview, doesn't matter it happened after the race which I corrected. I'd make a big deal myself, I'm generally polite myself, being rude is still rude. And payback isn't specifically homophobic, they were **** on so did the same. Talking about character is deviation btw.

[Tallguy700]

As for the U-Turn. The Afghanimals were going to U-Turn Brendon & Rachel but decided to U-Turn their strongest competition because of what happened to Jamal's knee. That's not back-stabbing, It's a smart move. They never said to the Cowboys that they wouldn't U-Turn them.

Weren't supporting Brenchel either though so theywere hurting all 3 sides.

They did what's best for them though.

lol @ this deviating from the homophobia argument.

Still backstabbing and I'm not the origin of the deviation.

Backstabbing is a part of the game.

Leo & Jamal never said they wouldn't U-Turn Cowboys to their faces.

And if so it's still a game and people aren't going to be nice and pansy to each other because that's boring. See: TAR24 alliance.

Also you're the owner of the thread so

Doesn't matter, its still rude and they made it clear to Country that Cowboys were safe, the idea was directly conveyed.

[Air]

long speech

This was before I remembered the interview, doesn't matter it happened after the race which I corrected. I'd make a big deal myself, I'm generally polite myself, being rude is still rude. And payback isn't specifically homophobic, they were **** on so did the same. Talking about character is deviation btw.

You can't use 'treat others how you want to be treated' in validation of homophobia/racism. idt Cowboys would want to be called white trash. And if payback wasn't specifically homophobic...then call someone an idiot or something. Something else. And I didn't talk about character oops.

[Tallguy700]

Nonsense. If you're last in line you're risking being the furthest back in business class, which means possibly being the last to hop in a cab or catch transport, so D&J were cutting in line to also try and get an advantage, which was further boosted via upgrade. And Dan and Jordan explained it enough to know what they were doing, even saying "There's a nice little line". Also, sleeping after a full day of exhaustion? Come on, and if they were awake enough to see J&C there and put there bags there does not matter. Also, being cautious while accepting help isn't a bad thing, and tbh "not caring" just means they didn't want to get too invested in an alliance in order to avoid being backstabbed, which they were and Marie thought it was enough of an issue to point out that you never really can trust Afghan. The moral of the story you ask? Look what happened.

They cut in line to get an advantage.
They upgraded to get an advantage and only did it in the last hour of flight iirc so they didn't get advantages wrt sleeping.
Also ftr U-Turns are a part of the game and you have to d.w.i.

Cowboys were asleep the night leg 12 started, rewatch the ep.

[Air]

As for the U-Turn. The Afghanimals were going to U-Turn Brendon & Rachel but decided to U-Turn their strongest competition because of what happened to Jamal's knee. That's not back-stabbing, It's a smart move. They never said to the Cowboys that they wouldn't U-Turn them.

Weren't supporting Brenchel either though so theywere hurting all 3 sides.

They did what's best for them though.

lol @ this deviating from the homophobia argument.

Still backstabbing and I'm not the origin of the deviation.

Backstabbing is a part of the game.

Leo & Jamal never said they wouldn't U-Turn Cowboys to their faces.

And if so it's still a game and people aren't going to be nice and pansy to each other because that's boring. See: TAR24 alliance.

Also you're the owner of the thread so

Doesn't matter, its still rude and they made it clear to Country that Cowboys were safe, the idea was directly conveyed.

Backstabbing is a part of the game.

Leo & Jamal never said they wouldn't U-Turn Cowboys to their faces.

And if so it's still a game and people aren't going to be nice and pansy to each other because that's boring. See: TAR24 alliance.

[Air]

Nonsense. If you're last in line you're risking being the furthest back in business class, which means possibly being the last to hop in a cab or catch transport, so D&J were cutting in line to also try and get an advantage, which was further boosted via upgrade. And Dan and Jordan explained it enough to know what they were doing, even saying "There's a nice little line". Also, sleeping after a full day of exhaustion? Come on, and if they were awake enough to see J&C there and put there bags there does not matter. Also, being cautious while accepting help isn't a bad thing, and tbh "not caring" just means they didn't want to get too invested in an alliance in order to avoid being backstabbed, which they were and Marie thought it was enough of an issue to point out that you never really can trust Afghan. The moral of the story you ask? Look what happened.

They cut in line to get an advantage.
They upgraded to get an advantage and only did it in the last hour of flight iirc so they didn't get advantages wrt sleeping.
Also ftr U-Turns are a part of the game and you have to d.w.i.

Cowboys were asleep the night leg 12 started, rewatch the ep.

That doesn't have to do with anything I said but ok

[Tallguy700]

Nonsense. If you're last in line you're risking being the furthest back in business class, which means possibly being the last to hop in a cab or catch transport, so D&J were cutting in line to also try and get an advantage, which was further boosted via upgrade. And Dan and Jordan explained it enough to know what they were doing, even saying "There's a nice little line". Also, sleeping after a full day of exhaustion? Come on, and if they were awake enough to see J&C there and put there bags there does not matter. Also, being cautious while accepting help isn't a bad thing, and tbh "not caring" just means they didn't want to get too invested in an alliance in order to avoid being backstabbed, which they were and Marie thought it was enough of an issue to point out that you never really can trust Afghan. The moral of the story you ask? Look what happened.

They cut in line to get an advantage.
They upgraded to get an advantage and only did it in the last hour of flight iirc so they didn't get advantages wrt sleeping.
Also ftr U-Turns are a part of the game and you have to d.w.i.

Cowboys were asleep the night leg 12 started, rewatch the ep.

That doesn't have to do with anything I said but ok

You just requoted your own post, and yes, you said they only slept on the flight.

[Tallguy700]

"Hate the game but not the players." *Pats Cowboys shoulder* "Don't hate" Hate to tell you but Dan and Jordan were mocking them too. Also dirty suckers doesn't have to be considered racist. They said that because Afghan was playing a dishonest race (no pun intended), and they said the same thing about the Globetrotters too, but they made up in TAR 24.

So you're saying U-Turns make a team's race dishonest?

No, but backstabbing does.

How exactly did they backstab?

Helping out->Say u-turn Cowboys in secret scene->Promise Country and Cancer uturn Brenchel->get hurt->uturn Cowboys and say they want them to suffer the pain they did, when Cowboys did nothing wrong. Plus Marie said "If you guys threepeat I'll go with you." Clearly Marie is manipulating them.

So you're calling Marie a manipulator based on her SHOW appearance? What a horrible person she must be. And the Afghans never said they wanted Cowboys to suffer?

Marie clearly hates threepeaters and she mentioned them threepeating, so obviously she's not gonna be on their side. Whether Afghan said feel or suffer, means to same thing - they cursed them like Tony Almeida did to Jack Bauer.

[gamerfan09]

"Hate the game but not the players." *Pats Cowboys shoulder* "Don't hate" Hate to tell you but Dan and Jordan were mocking them too. Also dirty suckers doesn't have to be considered racist. They said that because Afghan was playing a dishonest race (no pun intended), and they said the same thing about the Globetrotters too, but they made up in TAR 24.

So you're saying U-Turns make a team's race dishonest?

No, but backstabbing does.

How exactly did they backstab?

Helping out->Say u-turn Cowboys in secret scene->Promise Country and Cancer uturn Brenchel->get hurt->uturn Cowboys and say they want them to suffer the pain they did, when Cowboys did nothing wrong. Plus Marie said "If you guys threepeat I'll go with you." Clearly Marie is manipulating them.

So you're calling Marie a manipulator based on her SHOW appearance? What a horrible person she must be. And the Afghans never said they wanted Cowboys to suffer?

Marie clearly hates threepeaters and she mentioned them threepeating, so obviously she's not gonna be on their side. Whether Afghan said feel or suffer, means to same thing - they cursed them like Tony Almeida did to Jack Bauer.

Marie is a star and was clearly joking- she'd definitely return with her friends the Afghans if they threepeat.

[Tallguy700]

As for the U-Turn. The Afghanimals were going to U-Turn Brendon & Rachel but decided to U-Turn their strongest competition because of what happened to Jamal's knee. That's not back-stabbing, It's a smart move. They never said to the Cowboys that they wouldn't U-Turn them.

Sam, they lied, and lying to your friends is kind of backstabbing.

[Air]

Nonsense. If you're last in line you're risking being the furthest back in business class, which means possibly being the last to hop in a cab or catch transport, so D&J were cutting in line to also try and get an advantage, which was further boosted via upgrade. And Dan and Jordan explained it enough to know what they were doing, even saying "There's a nice little line". Also, sleeping after a full day of exhaustion? Come on, and if they were awake enough to see J&C there and put there bags there does not matter. Also, being cautious while accepting help isn't a bad thing, and tbh "not caring" just means they didn't want to get too invested in an alliance in order to avoid being backstabbed, which they were and Marie thought it was enough of an issue to point out that you never really can trust Afghan. The moral of the story you ask? Look what happened.

They cut in line to get an advantage.
They upgraded to get an advantage and only did it in the last hour of flight iirc so they didn't get advantages wrt sleeping.
Also ftr U-Turns are a part of the game and you have to d.w.i.

Cowboys were asleep the night leg 12 started, rewatch the ep.

That doesn't have to do with anything I said but ok

You just requoted your own post, and yes, you said they only slept on the flight.

A) Yes that was the point

B) No I didn't I said Dan & Jordan did not get any relaxation advantages.

[Air]

As for the U-Turn. The Afghanimals were going to U-Turn Brendon & Rachel but decided to U-Turn their strongest competition because of what happened to Jamal's knee. That's not back-stabbing, It's a smart move. They never said to the Cowboys that they wouldn't U-Turn them.

Sam, they lied, and lying to your friends is kind of backstabbing.

lying is a part of the game ffs

[Tallguy700]

"Hate the game but not the players." *Pats Cowboys shoulder* "Don't hate" Hate to tell you but Dan and Jordan were mocking them too. Also dirty suckers doesn't have to be considered racist. They said that because Afghan was playing a dishonest race (no pun intended), and they said the same thing about the Globetrotters too, but they made up in TAR 24.

So you're saying U-Turns make a team's race dishonest?

No, but backstabbing does.

How exactly did they backstab?

Helping out->Say u-turn Cowboys in secret scene->Promise Country and Cancer uturn Brenchel->get hurt->uturn Cowboys and say they want them to suffer the pain they did, when Cowboys did nothing wrong. Plus Marie said "If you guys threepeat I'll go with you." Clearly Marie is manipulating them.

So you're calling Marie a manipulator based on her SHOW appearance? What a horrible person she must be. And the Afghans never said they wanted Cowboys to suffer?

Marie clearly hates threepeaters and she mentioned them threepeating, so obviously she's not gonna be on their side. Whether Afghan said feel or suffer, means to same thing - they cursed them like Tony Almeida did to Jack Bauer.

Marie is a star and was clearly joking- she'd definitely return with her friends the Afghans if they threepeat.

She had the same opinion about them on YourRealityRecaps. Star or not she still doesn't like threepeaters and thus her tweet stands.

[SamualDude]

They didn't backstab the cowboys, If anything they sort of backstabbed the accidental alliance.

[Tallguy700]

Nonsense. If you're last in line you're risking being the furthest back in business class, which means possibly being the last to hop in a cab or catch transport, so D&J were cutting in line to also try and get an advantage, which was further boosted via upgrade. And Dan and Jordan explained it enough to know what they were doing, even saying "There's a nice little line". Also, sleeping after a full day of exhaustion? Come on, and if they were awake enough to see J&C there and put there bags there does not matter. Also, being cautious while accepting help isn't a bad thing, and tbh "not caring" just means they didn't want to get too invested in an alliance in order to avoid being backstabbed, which they were and Marie thought it was enough of an issue to point out that you never really can trust Afghan. The moral of the story you ask? Look what happened.

They cut in line to get an advantage.
They upgraded to get an advantage and only did it in the last hour of flight iirc so they didn't get advantages wrt sleeping.
Also ftr U-Turns are a part of the game and you have to d.w.i.

Cowboys were asleep the night leg 12 started, rewatch the ep.

That doesn't have to do with anything I said but ok

You just requoted your own post, and yes, you said they only slept on the flight.

A) Yes that was the point

B) No I didn't I said Dan & Jordan did not get any relaxation advantages.

Sorry I thought you said it was the Cowboys seeing as they slept on the flight, and for that I apologize. Who's to say though they didn't sleep off screen at the airport though? You did say benefit of sleep tbh.

[Air]

I don't think Marie knew the cast before the season started so lol.

[Tallguy700]

They didn't backstab the cowboys, If anything they sort of backstabbed the accidental alliance.

Leg 3, Cowboys asked them for help, 7 legs later, u-turned.

[Air]

They didn't backstab the cowboys, If anything they sort of backstabbed the accidental alliance.

Leg 3, Cowboys asked them for help, 7 legs later, u-turned.

Help doesn't mean alliance.

[Tallguy700]

They didn't backstab the cowboys, If anything they sort of backstabbed the accidental alliance.

Leg 3, Cowboys asked them for help, 7 legs later, u-turned.

Help doesn't mean alliance.

Already addressed above.

[Air]

They didn't backstab the cowboys, If anything they sort of backstabbed the accidental alliance.

Leg 3, Cowboys asked them for help, 7 legs later, u-turned.

Help doesn't mean alliance.

Already addressed above.

It still doesn't mean alliance...

also I think this thread is useless now that the Cowboys are still homophobes

[SamualDude]

They didn't backstab the cowboys, If anything they sort of backstabbed the accidental alliance.

Leg 3, Cowboys asked them for help, 7 legs later, u-turned.

Help doesn't mean alliance.

Already addressed above.

It still doesn't mean alliance...

also I think this thread is useless now that the Cowboys are still homophobes

I don't know if we can say that about Cord but Jet yeah we can.

[Tallguy700]

They didn't backstab the cowboys, If anything they sort of backstabbed the accidental alliance.

Leg 3, Cowboys asked them for help, 7 legs later, u-turned.

Help doesn't mean alliance.

Already addressed above.

[Air]

They didn't backstab the cowboys, If anything they sort of backstabbed the accidental alliance.

Leg 3, Cowboys asked them for help, 7 legs later, u-turned.

Help doesn't mean alliance.

Already addressed above.

Thank you for your contribution

[Tallguy700]

They didn't backstab the cowboys, If anything they sort of backstabbed the accidental alliance.

Leg 3, Cowboys asked them for help, 7 legs later, u-turned.

Help doesn't mean alliance.

Already addressed above.

Thank you for your contribution

Just playing the game you did, quoting my own post.

[Air]

They didn't backstab the cowboys, If anything they sort of backstabbed the accidental alliance.

Leg 3, Cowboys asked them for help, 7 legs later, u-turned.

Help doesn't mean alliance.

Already addressed above.

Thank you for your contribution

Just playing the game you did, quoting my own post.

Okay I don't think you understand.

I quoted my post...to highlight things said...and bolded them...to make it easier...

You did...nothing

*rolleyes*

[Tar25fan]

They can bring the cowboys ten more times and they won't win. Even Caroline & Jennifer have more chances of winning than them

[Tallguy700]

As for the U-Turn. The Afghanimals were going to U-Turn Brendon & Rachel but decided to U-Turn their strongest competition because of what happened to Jamal's knee. That's not back-stabbing, It's a smart move. They never said to the Cowboys that they wouldn't U-Turn them.

Weren't supporting Brenchel either though so theywere hurting all 3 sides.

No, it benefitted Brenchel and gave them the record the Cowboys could never achieve no matter how many times they would run the Race :')

t wasn't intended to support Brenchel either. And a u-turn free race would give Cowboys a chance to win, but 2 teams backstabbed on both repeat seasons.

[SamualDude]

If there was no U-Turn on Leg 10 of TAR24, Cowboys would still of been eliminated because by the time they finished the detour, Caro & Jen had already arrived at the next location.

[Tallguy700]

They can bring the cowboys ten more times and they won't win. Even Caroline & Jennifer have more chances of winning than them

Cowboys are Phil's favorite team, and unless there's another team Bertram can worship besides Cancer, Phil can arrange with him to support the win.

[Air]

As for the U-Turn. The Afghanimals were going to U-Turn Brendon & Rachel but decided to U-Turn their strongest competition because of what happened to Jamal's knee. That's not back-stabbing, It's a smart move. They never said to the Cowboys that they wouldn't U-Turn them.

Weren't supporting Brenchel either though so theywere hurting all 3 sides.

No, it benefitted Brenchel and gave them the record the Cowboys could never achieve no matter how many times they would run the Race :')

t wasn't intended to support Brenchel either. And a u-turn free race would give Cowboys a chance to win, but 2 teams backstabbed on both repeat seasons.

Well actually the Cowboys just make terrible strategic decisions and I don't think they'll ever improve on them

I mean India/Austria/Switzerland were horrifying strategically.

They can bring the cowboys ten more times and they won't win. Even Caroline & Jennifer have more chances of winning than them

Cowboys are Phil's favorite team, and unless there's another team Bertram can worship besides Cancer, Phil can arrange with him to support the win.

'to support the win' what

[Tallguy700]

If there was no U-Turn on Leg 10 of TAR24, Cowboys would still of been eliminated because by the time they finished the detour, Caro & Jen had already arrived at the next location.

If there wasn't traffic before Seville they would have beaten Country provided no u turn, or w/e slowed them down before flight.

[MrDeerShank]

lol i wish this thread was on sucks

[Air]

If there was no U-Turn on Leg 10 of TAR24, Cowboys would still of been eliminated because by the time they finished the detour, Caro & Jen had already arrived at the next location.

If there wasn't traffic before Seville they would have beaten Country provided no u turn, or w/e slowed them down before flight.

There is no proof of this

[Tallguy700]

As for the U-Turn. The Afghanimals were going to U-Turn Brendon & Rachel but decided to U-Turn their strongest competition because of what happened to Jamal's knee. That's not back-stabbing, It's a smart move. They never said to the Cowboys that they wouldn't U-Turn them.

Weren't supporting Brenchel either though so theywere hurting all 3 sides.

No, it benefitted Brenchel and gave them the record the Cowboys could never achieve no matter how many times they would run the Race :')

t wasn't intended to support Brenchel either. And a u-turn free race would give Cowboys a chance to win, but 2 teams backstabbed on both repeat seasons.

Well actually the Cowboys just make terrible strategic decisions and I don't think they'll ever improve on them

I mean India/Austria/Switzerland were horrifying strategically.

They can bring the cowboys ten more times and they won't win. Even Caroline & Jennifer have more chances of winning than them

Cowboys are Phil's favorite team, and unless there's another team Bertram can worship besides Cancer, Phil can arrange with him to support the win.

'to support the win' what

They're still consistent in maintaining their away from back position before u-turn, look at TAR 16. And if Phil arranges Bertram can puppeteer the same thing he did with Cancer and Country with Cowboys.

[Tallguy700]

lol i wish this thread was on sucks

Misscleobb is a narcissist, just like many on sucks. You guys are not.

[SamualDude]

As well in TAR18. Even had their not been a U-Turn in Switzerland the cowboys still would mostly be eliminated.

[Tallguy700]

If there was no U-Turn on Leg 10 of TAR24, Cowboys would still of been eliminated because by the time they finished the detour, Caro & Jen had already arrived at the next location.

If there wasn't traffic before Seville they would have beaten Country provided no u turn, or w/e slowed them down before flight.

There is no proof of this

Anecdotes are proof, Cowboys made it to the box shortly after Country, and Cowboys are physically strong enough to outrun Country.

[MrDeerShank]

emo is this you on rff

[Air]

lol i wish this thread was on sucks

me too ngl

lol i wish this thread was on sucks

Misscleobb is a narcissist, just like many on sucks. You guys are not.

yes
not so much
i guess so

They're still consistent in maintaining their away from back position before u-turn, look at TAR 16. And if Phil arranges Bertram can puppeteer the same thing he did with Cancer and Country with Cowboys.

Cowboys have MANY strategic blunders and presuming they return with teams that have actually experienced it before they have no hope.

I doubt BvM puppeteered it and are you trying to say that you want TAR to be rigged for the cowboys?

[Air]

If there was no U-Turn on Leg 10 of TAR24, Cowboys would still of been eliminated because by the time they finished the detour, Caro & Jen had already arrived at the next location.

If there wasn't traffic before Seville they would have beaten Country provided no u turn, or w/e slowed them down before flight.

There is no proof of this

Anecdotes are proof, Cowboys made it to the box shortly after Country, and Cowboys are physically strong enough to outrun Country.

No I disagree to both you don't actually know when they reached the cluebox and ANYWAY Cowboys ran a pretty bad leg tbh.

[gamerfan09]

They were DEAD LAST arriving at the W-Turn board. Their loss on TAR24 has NOTHING to do with "backstabbing" or "ethics", they just plain SUCKED.

[Tallguy700]

If there was no U-Turn on Leg 10 of TAR24, Cowboys would still of been eliminated because by the time they finished the detour, Caro & Jen had already arrived at the next location.

If there wasn't traffic before Seville they would have beaten Country provided no u turn, or w/e slowed them down before flight.

There is no proof of this

Anecdotes are proof, Cowboys made it to the box shortly after Country, and Cowboys are physically strong enough to outrun Country.

No I disagree to both you don't actually know when they reached the cluebox and ANYWAY Cowboys ran a pretty bad leg tbh.

I'm going by what we saw on the show, plus I don't think it was editing, Amazing Race is not good production wise now, compared to say, pre TAR 24. As much as I'd love production to double Cowboys butter and spread on that roll, its up to Phil to arrange.

[gamerfan09]

Side Note. I love how this thread is 3 pages of argument already after like 2 and a half hours <3

[Air]

If there was no U-Turn on Leg 10 of TAR24, Cowboys would still of been eliminated because by the time they finished the detour, Caro & Jen had already arrived at the next location.

If there wasn't traffic before Seville they would have beaten Country provided no u turn, or w/e slowed them down before flight.

There is no proof of this

Anecdotes are proof, Cowboys made it to the box shortly after Country, and Cowboys are physically strong enough to outrun Country.

No I disagree to both you don't actually know when they reached the cluebox and ANYWAY Cowboys ran a pretty bad leg tbh.

I'm going by what we saw on the show, plus I don't think it was editing, Amazing Race is not good production wise now, compared to say, pre TAR 24. As much as I'd love production to double Cowboys butter and spread on that roll, its up to Phil to arrange.

This doesn't mean they're not going to make it look like teams don't have a chance. I honestly think the Cowboys didn't have a chance sorry.

[Tallguy700]

If there was no U-Turn on Leg 10 of TAR24, Cowboys would still of been eliminated because by the time they finished the detour, Caro & Jen had already arrived at the next location.

If there wasn't traffic before Seville they would have beaten Country provided no u turn, or w/e slowed them down before flight.

There is no proof of this

Anecdotes are proof, Cowboys made it to the box shortly after Country, and Cowboys are physically strong enough to outrun Country.

No I disagree to both you don't actually know when they reached the cluebox and ANYWAY Cowboys ran a pretty bad leg tbh.

I'm going by what we saw on the show, plus I don't think it was editing, Amazing Race is not good production wise now, compared to say, pre TAR 24. As much as I'd love production to double Cowboys butter and spread on that roll, its up to Phil to arrange.

This doesn't mean they're not going to make it look like teams don't have a chance. I honestly think the Cowboys didn't have a chance sorry.

And you're entitled to your opinion. Also I know production won't edit the teams to make them seem perfect. They only started rigging in All Stars.

[Air]

If there was no U-Turn on Leg 10 of TAR24, Cowboys would still of been eliminated because by the time they finished the detour, Caro & Jen had already arrived at the next location.

If there wasn't traffic before Seville they would have beaten Country provided no u turn, or w/e slowed them down before flight.

There is no proof of this

Anecdotes are proof, Cowboys made it to the box shortly after Country, and Cowboys are physically strong enough to outrun Country.

No I disagree to both you don't actually know when they reached the cluebox and ANYWAY Cowboys ran a pretty bad leg tbh.

I'm going by what we saw on the show, plus I don't think it was editing, Amazing Race is not good production wise now, compared to say, pre TAR 24. As much as I'd love production to double Cowboys butter and spread on that roll, its up to Phil to arrange.

This doesn't mean they're not going to make it look like teams don't have a chance. I honestly think the Cowboys didn't have a chance sorry.

And you're entitled to your opinion. Also I know production won't edit the teams to make them seem perfect. They only started rigging in All Stars.

TAR24 AS wasn't rigged and neither was TAR11.

[Tallguy700]

TAR 24 was rigged for Cancer and Realityrecaps addressed this, not to mention a bunch of people on reality forums from both sides, and it was painfully obvious in the finale of TAR 24. As for TAR 11, I know that wasn't rigged but I have yet to watch that season.

[Tallguy700]

They were DEAD LAST arriving at the W-Turn board. Their loss on TAR24 has NOTHING to do with "backstabbing" or "ethics", they just plain SUCKED.

Yes, they were last but not too far behind Country. No U-Turn, gg.

[stekay]

They were DEAD LAST arriving at the W-Turn board. Their loss on TAR24 has NOTHING to do with "backstabbing" or "ethics", they just plain SUCKED.

Yes, they were last but not too far behind Country. No U-Turn, gg.

How the pitstop was in walking distance?

[Tallguy700]

They were DEAD LAST arriving at the W-Turn board. Their loss on TAR24 has NOTHING to do with "backstabbing" or "ethics", they just plain SUCKED.

Yes, they were last but not too far behind Country. No U-Turn, gg.

How the pitstop was in walking distance?

We never saw cabs so yes, but it would be a very long walk, and Country would get tired.

[theschnauzers]

As I've understood it for years now, the only accusation was against Jet and not Cord, and from what I recall about an incident at TARcon 16, Jet was drunk.

None of that justifies calling the team, homophobic, there's never been any evidence that Cord has ever done anything to deserve the label, and it does need to stop. I think some people have tended to project things onto the Cowboys that they don't deserve, and I've had to bite my tongue endless times because those labels IMHO are not appropriate or justified.

To that end, I don't think the Cowboys are boring. They have been a very good racing team whose only apparent weakness was self-navigation at times. But for two guys who have never really traveled outside of the U.S. except on the Race, they've learned and benefited plenty from the experience, and isn't that one of the goals the show places on the teams that Race?

[stekay]

Google maps says a ten minute walk, I'm sure the cows were at least that far behind anyways

[Tallguy700]

Country had trouble with easy roadblock previous leg, were still tired. Jet and Cord finished the task right around the time Country finished theirs, Cowboys just got unlucky with the u-turn. As for learning from the experience, yeah, its part of the game, but rudeness is rudeness, and backstabbing is backstabbing.

[georgiapeach]

Enough.

Just to be VERY clear: The incident by Jet (NOT Cord) happened, it was unprovoked and vicious, and it was extensively eye-witnessed and covered at the time, there was NO excuse. For those of us who witnessed it...Homophobe is actually nice phrasing considering Jet's behavior at the time.

HOWEVER, they have both since acted like gentlemen during TAR and in all public Interviews. They raced fairly and I have heard no complaints about either of them, and in specifically Jet, from any other racers. We can only hope that people grow and mature and perhaps learn from their mistakes. Cord was never implicated in the incident at all.

In any case, as far as RFF goes, this discussion is closed. Please do remember that RFF does not welcome discussions about  topics centering in any way about race, religion, politics, or sexual orientation.