Author Topic: TAR 25 Transportation (Read 23973 times)

dpe · « **Reply #50 on:** June 14, 2014, 07:42:35 PM »

departures from MLA.

Alenaveda · « **Reply #51 on:** June 14, 2014, 07:43:05 PM »

Schedule of one of the ferry companies from Catania to Malta for Saturday:

dpe · « **Reply #52 on:** June 14, 2014, 08:03:38 PM »

PM departures

georgiapeach · « **Reply #53 on:** June 14, 2014, 10:49:07 PM »

If they run the leg in the AM, then departure could be Monday early instead. And what non European destination pops out? Istanbul! Or go via Frankfurt anywhere...

DrRox · « **Reply #54 on:** June 15, 2014, 03:06:32 AM »

Actually the airport in Istanbul is in Europe........but just by a few miles. But there are lots of other major airports to connect for very long distance flights.......Frankfurt as you mentioned, Munich, Amsterdam, London Heathrow, Paris DeGaule, and Moscow.

Malta is strange airport......lots more activity on Sunday than on Monday.

The German gov continues to expand the Munich airport to relieve pressure on Frankfurt.

georgiapeach · « **Reply #55 on:** June 15, 2014, 01:36:10 PM »

6/16 AM Departures:

Neobie · « **Reply #56 on:** June 16, 2014, 08:44:58 PM »

Sorry guys, I've got a bit of catching up to do. Still working on Leg 4 here!

Freya has Nici/Shelley arriving at Copenhagen on 7 Jun. There's clock behind that reads either 12:30 or 6:05. Now Freya had just arrived from Vienna, which means she landed at either 8:28am, 8:58am, 5:05pm, 7:17pm, or 9:51pm. Matching the two lists gives us 6:05pm as the only likely timing.

This jives somewhat with this photo of Misti/Jim in Malmo by Emma, which judging from the shadows (pointing due East) was taken at around 6:00pm.

We know teams didn't leave by ferry from the Shetlands on the night of 5 Jun, nor take a flight leaving the Shetlands before the morning of 7 Jun, as they would have arrived in Copenhagen much, much earlier than 6:00pm on 7 Jun.

It is possible to fly from Sumburgh in the Shetlands into Copenhagen and make it by the time they were spotted in Copenhagen and Malmo:

Option 1
Sumburgh to Aberdeen, 0845-0945
Aberdeen to Amsterdam, 1100-1335
Amsterdam to Copenhagen, 1440-1600 (actual arrival 1610), or
Amsterdam to Copenhagen, 1555-1715 (actual arrival 1742)

Option 2
Sumburgh to Aberdeen, 0845-0945
Aberdeen to London Heathrow, 1120-1255
London Heathrow to Copenhagen, 1405-1700 (actual arrival 1657), or
London Heathrow to Copenhagen, 1430-1720 (actual arrival 1800)

Option 3
Sumburgh to Aberdeen, 0845-0945
Aberdeen to Frankfurt, 1210-1515
Frankfurt to Copenhagen, 1630-1755 (actual arrival 1750)

Option 4
Sumburgh to Bergen, 1155-1405
Bergen to Copenhagen, 1600-1720 (actual arrival 1725)

I don't like this because Options 1-3 utilise the same Loganair flight from Sumburgh to Aberdeen, which uses a 30-36 seater Saab 340. (DrRox, I'm getting the info from FlightStats. Did you have a different source?) There are a minimum of 8 teams left at this point (32 passengers). Would they all be able to make it out of the Shetlands?

Instead, production could have teams take the ferry back to Aberdeen (1730-0700), and avail themselves of Options 1-3. A really quick team might even be able to get on this:

Option 5
Ferry from Lerwick to Aberdeen, 1730-0700
Aberdeen to London Heathrow, 0830-1005
London Heathrow to Copenhagen, 1225-1520 (actual arrival 1531)

Conclusion: While it is possible that teams flew out of the Shetlands, I think it's most likely that they took a ferry from Lerwick to Aberdeen on the night of 6 Jun, and flew out of Aberdeen on the morning of 7 Jun, arriving in the late afternoon.

DrRox · « **Reply #57 on:** June 16, 2014, 10:38:27 PM »

Neobie....

I was using Sat June 6 as the date to fly out of Sumburgh. I was basing my timeline on when this photo was posted June 7 @ 11:44 am.

http://web.stagram.com/p/737689763319279454_224656434

theschnauzers · « **Reply #58 on:** June 16, 2014, 11:04:39 PM »

Neobie: Could there have been two flights out of Sumburgh to Aberdeen that would have used the same flight from Aberdeen to Copenhagen? Or could there have been producer-provided flight tickets to force teams onto only certain flights to Copenhagen out of either Sumburgh or Aberdeen?
The other question that has to be resolved is whether Phil, Bertram, et al, could have gotten a June 6th or very early June 7th flight out of Sumburgh to make it to Copenhagen and Malmo sufficiently ahead of the teams?
Ain't this enough to give one a headache!

Neobie · « **Reply #59 on:** June 17, 2014, 06:23:47 AM »

I think Webstagram uses your computer's local time to determine the timestamp on photos. For example, Freya's latest post, which was posted "21h" ago, shows up on my computer as posted at "2014-06-16 9:51". (I'm on Eastern Summer Time.)

The timestamp on the Copenhagen airport photo shows "2014-06-07 12:44" for me. This translates to 6:44pm on 7 June, which fits perfectly into a 6:05pm sighting. (It also betrays that DrRox, you're on Central Summer Time!)

As far as I can tell there was only one flight from Sumburgh to Aberdeen, on a Saab 340, that fits into our current timeframe. The next flight via Aberdeen into Copenhagen arrives at 11:05pm!

It is possible that there were producer-provided tickets from Sumburgh to Copenhagen. From Aberdeen to Copenhagen I think it's less neessary; it's relatively easy to get from Aberdeen to some other hub to connect to Denmark.

Here's a possible itinerary (out of many) for Phil:
Race starts at 7:30am on 5 June at Lerwick.
Leg ends by mid-afternoon.
LOG 6781 from Sumburgh to Aberdeen, 5/1940-2040
KL 1440 from Aberdeen to Amsterdam, 6/0600-0840
KL 1127 from Amsterdam to Copenhagen, 0940-1100

Alternatively, if he wants to spend the night on the Shetlands:
LOG 6771 from Sumburgh to Aberdeen, 6/0825-0925
KL 1444 from Aberdeen to Amsterdam, 1100-1335
KL 1131 from Amsterdam to Copenhagen, 1555-1715
Which still gives Phil a full day ahead of the teams.

claude_24hrs · « **Reply #60 on:** June 17, 2014, 07:20:07 PM »

Flights to Singapore

Air Malta (KM) 612 from Malta to Rome-Fiumicino, 0844-1000 (scheduled 0835-1000)
Singapore Airlines (SQ) 365 from Rome-Fiumicino to Singapore, 1206-0618+1 (scheduled 1200-0600+1)

claude_24hrs · « **Reply #61 on:** June 19, 2014, 05:45:15 AM »

Flights to Manila (via Peach):

Tigerair (TR) 2726, from Singapore to Manila, 1750-2130

Other possibilities:
Singapore Airlines (SQ) 918, from Singapore to Manila, 1925-2300

Being a Filipino, Manila's international airport has three terminals. Terminal one serves most international airlines, terminal two serves only Philippine Airlines including its subsidiary PAL Express, while terminal three serves Cebu Pacific, ANA and AirAsia Zest. There is a smaller terminal 4, which serves regional airlines.

Alenaveda · « **Reply #62 on:** June 22, 2014, 03:57:46 PM »

According to the sighting in Narita, today's flights:

DL284 NRT 4.00PM (4.13PM) LAX 9.50AM (9.13AM)
NH6 NRT 5.05PM (5.39PM) LAX 11.00AM (11.06AM)
JAL62 NRT 5.25PM (5.23PM) LAX 11.20AM (10.52AM)
UA33 5.30PM (5.27PM) LAX 11.50AM (11.17AM)
SQ12 7.15PM (7.16PM) LAX 1.30PM (1.01PM)

theschnauzers · « **Reply #63 on:** June 22, 2014, 04:07:20 PM »

It would seem that the first flight (DL 284) was the flight that prompted the first live LAX tweet this morning. The question is what flight from Manila to Narita connected with that flight that fits with when the teams were seen at the airport in Manila.

Alenaveda · « **Reply #64 on:** June 22, 2014, 04:14:30 PM »

I was digging a little on the previous tweets from the girl of the first sighting, and she was in Australia. Apparently she was traveling there and into PNG. She mentioned going to Brisbane before returning to the US.

claude_24hrs · « **Reply #65 on:** October 17, 2014, 11:19:16 PM »

Leg 4 transport

Quote from: claude_24hrs on June 08, 2014, 11:59:07 PM

Leg 4 in which teams likely ferry from Lerwick to Aberdeen, and plane to Copenhagen (June 6-7):

Ferry to Aberdeen (6/6), 1730-0700+1 (via Kirkwall)

Flights to Copenhagen:

Kym & Alli

KLM (KL) 1442, ABZ-AMS, 0933-1203 (scheduled 0910-1145)
KLM Cityhopper (WA) 1129, AMS-CPH, 1247-1410 (scheduled 1240-1400)*

Misti & Jim

KLM (KL) 1444, ABZ-AMS, 1047-1318 (scheduled 1100-1335)
SAS (SK) 548, AMS-CPH, 1447-1610 (scheduled 1440-1600)

Amy & Maya, Brooke & Robbie, Keith & Whitney and Adam & Bethany

Wideroe (WF) 365, ABZ-SVG, 1228-1432 (scheduled 1240-1435)
SAS (SK) 1877, SVG-CPH, 1559-1701 (scheduled 1600-1710)

Tim & Te Jay

British Airways (BA) 1307, ABZ-LHR, 1136-1324 (scheduled 1120-1255)
British Airways (BA) 818, LHR-CPH, 1513-1800 (scheduled 1430-1720)

Shelley & Nici

KLM (KL) 1446, ABZ-AMS, 1312-1542 (scheduled 1310-1545)
KLM Cityhopper (WA) 1133, AMS-CPH, 1705-1818 (scheduled 1705-1820)*

*KLM Cityhopper is a regional airline of KLM flies European cities.

maf · « **Reply #66 on:** October 21, 2014, 06:58:44 AM »

Quote from: claude_24hrs on October 17, 2014, 11:19:16 PM

Tim & Te Jay
British Airways (BA) 1307, ABZ-LHR, 1136-1324 (scheduled 1120-1255)
British Airways (BA) 818, LHR-CPH, 1513-1800 (scheduled 1430-1720)

Shelley & Nici
KLM (KL) 1446, ABZ-AMS, 1312-1542 (scheduled 1310-1545)
KLM Cityhopper (WA) 1133, AMS-CPH, 1705-1818 (scheduled 1705-1820)*

I think these two are wrong. My reasons:
* There were only two delayed flights into Copenhagen which fits what we are shown and told: KL1131and BA818
* The teams do not seem to arrive on the same flight
* We see Shelly & Nici board a BA flight

Therefore I think the real flights were:

Tim & Te Jay KL1444 ABZ-AMS 10:47 - 13:18 (scheduled 11:00 - 13:35) KL1131 AMS-CPH 16:31 - 17:52 (scheduled 15:55 - 17:15)

Shelley & Nici BA1307 ABZ-LHR 11:36 - 13:24 (scheduled 11:20 - 12:55) BA818 LHR-CPH 15:13 - 18:00 (scheduled 14:30 - 17:20)

Neobie · « **Reply #67 on:** October 27, 2014, 09:47:47 AM »

Looks like this was the flight teams took!

Mon 9 Jun 2014
SK 1685 from Copenhagen to Milan, 0825-1030
AT 655 from Milan to Marrakech, 1255-1515

claude_24hrs · « **Reply #68 on:** November 08, 2014, 07:11:26 AM »

Leg 7 flights

June 12th 2014, Thursday

All teams
AT802 RAK-CMN, 0704-0738 (scheduled 0720-0800)
AT940 CMN-FCO, 1240-1643 (scheduled 1240-1640)

Misti & Jim and Kym & Alli
AZ1769 FCO-PMO, 1900-2015 (scheduled 1850-2000)

Other four teams
AZ1791 FCO-PMO, 1930-2035 (scheduled 1930-2040)

Sunset in Palermo on June 12th 2014 was 20:30 (8:30 pm).

Neobie · « **Reply #69 on:** November 08, 2014, 09:04:27 AM »

Other options! (I can't tell what plane it was on the show, with two blue stripes on its livery?)

AT 802 from Marrakech to Casablanca, 0720-0800
AT 402 from Marrakech to Casablanca, 1015-1055
AT 822 from Marrakech to Casablanca, 1050-1130
AT 940 from Casablanca to Rome, 1240-1640

U2 1312 from Marrakech to Geneva, 0855-1300
LX 1754 from Geneva to Rome, 1400-1530

U2 2592 from Marrakech to Milan, 0905-1315
U2 907 from Milan to Rome, 1615-1735

U2 3868 from Marrakech to Paris CDG, 0915-1335
AF 1604 from Paris CDG to Rome, 1525-1730
AF 1404 from Paris CDG to Rome, 1600-1805

AT 640 from Marrakech to Paris ORY, 1005-1410
VY 6254 from Paris ORY to Rome, 1530-1730

-connecting to-

AZ 1769 from Rome to Palermo, 1850-2000
AZ 1791 from Rome to Palermo, 1930-2040

Alenaveda · « **Reply #70 on:** November 22, 2014, 08:21:12 AM »

Teams did the travel to Malta on Virtu Ferries. The ferries of this company depart from Pozzallo:

POZ-MAL 19.30PM - 21.15PM

claude_24hrs · « **Reply #71 on:** December 04, 2014, 06:07:15 AM »

Leg 9 flights

June 17th 2014, Tuesday

Adam & Bethany and Misti & Jim

KM478 MLA-CDG, 0637-0941 (scheduled 0635-0925)
SQ333 CDG-SIN, 1215-0640+1 (scheduled 1200-0640+1)

Three other teams

KM612 MLA-FCO, 0844-1000 (scheduled 0835-1000)
SQ365 FCO-SIN, 1206-0609+1 (scheduled 1200-0600+1)

Oops, I fixed the right time on the SQ arrival from Rome.

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