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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #175 on: April 23, 2013, 05:14:12 AM »
Thanks for the explanation apskip......I totally missed the fact that Basel now has scheduled flights. I have never considered it large enough to have those. I have spent time around there.....so bad pre-conceptions. I guess with post Shengen and Mulhouse right across the border in France gives it enough of a passenger base to have scheduled flights.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #176 on: April 23, 2013, 06:05:37 AM »
What the telecast for leg 9 showed on transportation makes perfect sense, as it was multi-modal. Here is what teams did:

Left Grindelwald on the 526am train
arrived Interlaken Ost about 6am

I think teams started the leg in Interlaken. They started from the garden of a fairly large hotel, and there was green grass on the ground. Not snow-covered as it was in Grindelwald. And The train station they walk to is Interlaken West.
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Why would World Race Productions record the time of 518am actual departure for the telecast if teams did not start from Grindelwald? This wouldn't be the first time WRP misrepresented the location of the pit stop release, but in this case I doubt that it was anywhere but Grindelwald in this case.


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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #177 on: April 23, 2013, 06:49:50 AM »
What the telecast for leg 9 showed on transportation makes perfect sense, as it was multi-modal. Here is what teams did:

Left Grindelwald on the 526am train
arrived Interlaken Ost about 6am

I think teams started the leg in Interlaken. They started from the garden of a fairly large hotel, and there was green grass on the ground. Not snow-covered as it was in Grindelwald. And The train station they walk to is Interlaken West.
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Why would World Race Productions record the time of 518am actual departure for the telecast if teams did not start from Grindelwald? This wouldn't be the first time WRP misrepresented the location of the pit stop release, but in this case I doubt that it was anywhere but Grindelwald in this case.

Apskip, the leg started in Interlaken, not in Grindewald. If you check on the logo of the taxi that Caroline and Jennifer took to reach the train station it clearly says Interlaken.



The taxi belongs to the A-Taxi-Maeder company, who is based in Interlaken.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #178 on: April 23, 2013, 08:31:07 AM »
Apskip, the leg started in Interlaken, not in Grindewald. If you check on the logo of the taxi that Caroline and Jennifer took to reach the train station it clearly says Interlaken.

There are other indications that the start was in Interlaken as well:
* There is green grass on the ground behind the teams when they start. Grindelwald had snow.
* Teams arrive to a closed Interlaken West train station

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #179 on: April 23, 2013, 08:39:12 AM »
And when Anthony and Bates are asking the taxi driver for another cab, you can see the logo of the company:  Aare-Taxi,



and the telephone number, 0800 55 23 60.  That company is also Interlaken based.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #180 on: April 23, 2013, 08:44:12 AM »
Well I agree with the Interlaken pit start. But it is only 12 miles from Interlaken to Grindelwald, so I see the possibility that taxis from Interlaken could be in Grindelwald as a normal course of the day. Heck, some of the drivers could live in Grindelwald. So that arguement doesnt do much for me.........the green grass beneath their feet when getting the clue is more important to me.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #181 on: April 23, 2013, 09:04:46 AM »
Well I agree with the Interlaken pit start. But it is only 12 miles from Interlaken to Grindelwald, so I see the possibility that taxis from Interlaken could be in Grindelwald as a normal course of the day. Heck, some of the drivers could live in Grindelwald. So that arguement doesnt do much for me.........the green grass beneath their feet when getting the clue is more important to me.

I think that another key could be find the hotel where the teams go after leaving the Pit Start. The place were the hockey players and the roller derby moms asked for directions.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #182 on: April 23, 2013, 02:29:25 PM »
I have been attempting to verify the question "Was there ground cover snow on November 30 in Grindelwald?" Historical snow reports have not been issued for the 2012/13 ski season. My efforts to find an answer have turned up only one gem - the pistes (ski runs) above Grindelwald were expected to open Nov. 17, 2012. That does not provide any resolution of what they were on the quite low elevation for Grindelwald itself.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #183 on: April 26, 2013, 08:40:24 AM »
Possible flights from Berlin to Edinburgh:
Lufthansa:
Berlin > Frankfurt > Edinburgh
LH181 Depart Tegel 9:48am > arrive frankfurt 10:57am
LH 962 Depart Frankfurt 12:11pm > arrive Edinburgh 1:13pm

Berlin > Brussels > Edinburgh (code sharing on a Brussels Airline flight)
LH5564 Depart Tegel 12:27pm > arrive Brussels 1:47pm
LH5624 Depart Brussels 3:11pm > Arrive Edinburgh 3:40pm

Berlin > London > Edinburgh
BA991 Depart Berlin 10:55am > arrive Heathrow 12:06pm
BA1444 Depart Heathrow 12:46pm > arrive Edinburgh 2:08pm

There may be more permutations but I think the ones most likely. The Flight from Amsterdam that would have got in at 12:50pm was cancelled.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #184 on: April 29, 2013, 12:23:30 AM »
Well the missing day, Dec 2  was an extended stay in Berlin.

Dec 3, 2012
Max/Katie, Bates/Anthony, Caroline/Jennifer
Berlin>Brussels>Edinburgh
SN 2592  6:45 - 8:05   Berlin to Brussels
BM 1628  9:55 - 10:40  Brussels to Edinbrugh

Beth/Mona, Joey/Meghan
Berlin>Frankfurt>Edinbrugh
Six flights from 6:00 to 11:00 am from Berlin to Frankfurt... LH flight #'s (171, 173, 175, 177, 179, 181)
LH 962  12:05 - 1:00 (1:13)
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #185 on: April 29, 2013, 07:58:46 AM »
Well the missing day, Dec 2  was an extended stay in Berlin.

Dec 3, 2012
Max/Katie, Bates/Anthony, Caroline/Jennifer
Berlin>Brussels>Edinburgh
SN 2592  6:45 - 8:05   Berlin to Brussels
BM 1628  9:55 - 10:40  Brussels to Edinbrugh

Beth/Mona, Joey/Meghan
Berlin>Frankfurt>Edinbrugh
Six flights from 6:00 to 11:00 am from Berlin to Frankfurt... LH flight #'s (171, 173, 175, 177, 179, 181)
LH 962  12:05 - 1:00 (1:13)

I happen to think it could be one day later (Dec. 4) as a result of an extended stay in Switzerland, but that is insignificant as all flights in question are at about the same times. For December 4,

it is, due to both the flight info sign and to actual flight schedules from Tegel to Brussels, SN 2592 0645 0816 TXL BRU connecting to
BM1628 0955 1040.

The later arrival was quite hard to pin down. The originating flight to Frankfurt in the 0850 time frame as specified in the telecast narrative could be either LH177 0855 1001 TXL FRA  or  AB2597 0903 1013. It doesn't matter which it is, since both easily connect to:
 
LH1962 1150 1305 FRA EDI

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #186 on: April 29, 2013, 08:14:44 AM »
Well the missing day, Dec 2  was an extended stay in Berlin.

Dec 3, 2012
Max/Katie, Bates/Anthony, Caroline/Jennifer
Berlin>Brussels>Edinburgh
SN 2592  6:45 - 8:05   Berlin to Brussels
BM 1628  9:55 - 10:40  Brussels to Edinbrugh

Beth/Mona, Joey/Meghan
Berlin>Frankfurt>Edinbrugh
Six flights from 6:00 to 11:00 am from Berlin to Frankfurt... LH flight #'s (171, 173, 175, 177, 179, 181)
LH 962  12:05 - 1:00 (1:13)

I happen to think it could be one day later (Dec. 4) as a result of an extended stay in Switzerland, but that is insignificant as all flights in question are at about the same times. For December 4,

it is, due to both the flight info sign and to actual flight schedules from Tegel to Brussels, SN 2592 0645 0816 TXL BRU connecting to
BM1628 0955 1040.

The later arrival was quite hard to pin down. The originating flight to Frankfurt in the 0850 time frame as specified in the telecast narrative could be either LH177 0855 1001 TXL FRA  or  AB2597 0903 1013. It doesn't matter which it is, since both easily connect to:
 
LH1962 1150 1305 FRA EDI
It can't have been on the 4th as we had live sighting of teams in Edinburgh on the 3rd
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #187 on: April 29, 2013, 08:25:29 AM »
Train times Edinburgh to Stranraer:

Services(Showing all 6 services)
Dep     Arr    Ch Duration
07:01 10:50 2 3:49hrs
10:10 13:54 2 3:44hrs
12:50 16:36 1 3:46hrs
14:43 18:38 2 3:55hrs
19:08 23:20 1 4:12hrs
21:13 06:50 1 9:37hrs

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #188 on: April 29, 2013, 08:31:43 AM »
Here are the schedules on ScotRail for Edinburgh to Belfast. It is a rail/bus/ferry trip according to the website.

05:55   13:453     7:50hrs
10:00   17:453     7:45hrs
14:30    21:453    7:15hrs

Itinerary is train from Edinburgh Waverly to Glasgow Queen Street Station. Then train from Glasgow Central to Ayr. Then bus to Cairnryan. Then ferry to Belfast.

http://tickets.scotrail.co.uk/sr/en/JourneyPlanning/MixingDeck
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #191 on: May 02, 2013, 10:29:42 AM »
To get teams from Belfast to LHR and from there to Washington-Dulles, here are the flights:

Belfast City BHD to LHR Dec. 6 (probably one of the latest ones)
0645 0757
0719 0831
0911 1006
1212 1322
1354 1550
1445 1555
1718 1807
1825 1953
1945 2106

LHR IAD Dec. 7
UA923 0730 1042   
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #192 on: May 02, 2013, 02:49:58 PM »
I had listed the ferries from Cairnryan (next to Stanraer, which is sometimes mistakenly perceived as the port) to Belfast on Jan. 5 in post #129. Here is the Stena Line schedule of ferries, each of which takes 2 1/4 hours for the crossing from Cairnryan to Belfast:

0400 0615
0730 0945
1130 1345
1530 1745
1930 2145
2330 0145+1

There has been mention of additional ferries from Cairnryan but stopping short of Belfast in Larme, Northern Ireland referenced by Dr. Rox. The schedule for that is:

0400 0600
0730 0930
1030 1230
1330 1530
1630 1830
2000 2200

That's not all. There is one more Scottish port with ferries to Larme; that is Troon (home of a big annual golf tournament) which is almost on the border with England and quite near Prestwyck Airport. Ferries from Troon to Larme, which I believe are also 2 hours, depart at:

1100
1930
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #193 on: May 03, 2013, 02:11:24 AM »
Troon ferries are seasonal as confirmed by kshel in the Belfast leg thread, and weren't running in December.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #194 on: May 06, 2013, 07:41:47 AM »
As always, I find the details of transportation to be important in shaping each Amazing Race leg. Leg 11 started with a trip to Edinburgh Central rail station for a 1 hour 10 minute average trip (there are 4 each hour) to Glasgow Central. That would put Max/Katie into Glasgow by just after 530pm, Bates/Anthony the same,  Caroline/Jennifer there by 645pm and Mona/Beth there by 845pm.

The train schedule from Glasgow to Stanraer was fiendishly difficult to obtain (try it and see what I mean). At that range of evening departures, the trains would be:

dep. Glasgow Central 1830 arr. Stanraer 2059
dep. Glasgow Central 2030 arr. Stanraer 2353

The walk to the Cairnryan ferry terminal is reported to be 3 minutes or 6 minutes from either Stanraer station, but in any event the teams took taxis.

At the ferry terminal they bunched and I believe World Race Productions made a strategic decision to not allow them to take the 4am ferry to Belfast for filming reasons. They were on the 0730 ferry for unknown reasons, arriving 0945. Leg 11 finished with a pit stop and teams were released in Belfast the next morning. They were sent to the Stena line ship Belfast to Liverpool, which had this schedule:

dep. 1030 arr. 1830 after an 8 hour trip

The next train options to London-Euston from Liverpool-Lime St. were:
dep. 1848 arr. 2102
dep. 1948 arr. 2209 

After the trip to the pub to find out their destination, teams could reasonably expect to reach Heathrow around midnight. The only reasonable choice would be United 923 LHR IAD 0723 1042 and the video showed a United plane taxiing into the gate at Washington-Dulles.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #195 on: May 06, 2013, 12:48:25 PM »
It was revealed in an insider video that Max & Katie and Mona & Beth took the 1948-2209 train to to London-Euston that Bates & Anthony missed. Bates & Anthony probably took the 2048-2356 train which is about the 2 hour lead that Max & Katie and Mona & Beth said they had over Bates & Anthony.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #196 on: May 13, 2013, 03:06:15 AM »
As always, I find the details of transportation to be important in shaping each Amazing Race leg. Leg 11 started with a trip to Edinburgh Central rail station for a 1 hour 10 minute average trip (there are 4 each hour) to Glasgow Central. That would put Max/Katie into Glasgow by just after 530pm, Bates/Anthony the same,  Caroline/Jennifer there by 645pm and Mona/Beth there by 845pm.

The train schedule from Glasgow to Stanraer was fiendishly difficult to obtain (try it and see what I mean). At that range of evening departures, the trains would be:

dep. Glasgow Central 1830 arr. Stanraer 2059
dep. Glasgow Central 2030 arr. Stanraer 2353

The walk to the Cairnryan ferry terminal is reported to be 3 minutes or 6 minutes from either Stanraer station, but in any event the teams took taxis.

At the ferry terminal they bunched and I believe World Race Productions made a strategic decision to not allow them to take the 4am ferry to Belfast for filming reasons. They were on the 0730 ferry for unknown reasons, arriving 0945. Leg 11 finished with a pit stop and teams were released in Belfast the next morning. They were sent to the Stena line ship Belfast to Liverpool, which had this schedule:

dep. 1030 arr. 1830 after an 8 hour trip

The next train options to London-Euston from Liverpool-Lime St. were:
dep. 1848 arr. 2102
dep. 1948 arr. 2209 

After the trip to the pub to find out their destination, teams could reasonably expect to reach Heathrow around midnight. The only reasonable choice would be United 923 LHR IAD 0723 1042 and the video showed a United plane taxiing into the gate at Washington-Dulles.

All trains from Edinburgh - Glasgow terminate at Glasgow Queen Street, it's then a 15-20 minute walk to Glasgow Central to get to Stranraer.

I got the train schedule to Stranraer very easily via the booking section of the Scotrail website (Train schedule only change in May).

It's 3 miles from Stranraer to Cairnryan, so a taxi would have been the quickest option.

I know i'm late in replying, but I was staying off until I had watched the final which was last night.