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AR22 Transportation
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--- Quote from: DrRox on April 01, 2013, 11:25:03 AM ---Updated flight schedules on Nov 28/29, 2013.
Maun to Johannesburg
4z 8301 2:00pm to 3:40 pm
BP 211 2:20 pm to 4:00pm
Johannesburg to Zurich
LX 289 8:25pm to 6:10am (arriving on Nov 29th)
Train to Interlaken from Zurich Airport
1) 6:40 am to 8:51 am
2) 7:13 am to 9:28 am
3) 7:13 am to 9:51 am
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Actually, Dr. Rox, there is nothing "updated" about your schedules. The Maun to Johannesburg schedule (no actual available as we both know) remain as I stated them in post 147 above.
The Johannesburg to Zurich schedule for departure Nov. 28 and arrival Nov. 29 is LX289 2102 0616+1. That's only 6 minutes arrival time different and 37 minutes departure time different, but your revision is not correct.
The big problem I have with your update is with your using train times from 24 minutes and 57 minutes for arrival inside the plane in Zurich airport. Switzerland has been a Schwengen system member since 12 December 2008. Entry into the Schwengen system is a little bit more rigorous since once inside it travelers can cross European borders with minimal delay (that applies to Zurich to Berlin flights coming up in leg 9). I can see SwissRail departures from Zurich airport to be maybe as early as 743am, but not before. Arrival times for that would be one hour earlier than I posted for 843am and at 957am in Interlaken Ost. The question of where teams are going for the leg 8 tasks is moot from a train departure standpoint if the current ideas on the table (Brig or Visp from me and Interlaken Ost or West from you) are correct.
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I have started my analysis of how teams might have gotten from Zurich to Berlin. The most obvious way is ot fly from Zurich but which airports might you fly to. Berlin has these airports:
BER Brandenburg
EDBT Allstedt
GWW Gatow (an RAF facility)
SFX Schoenfield
TWF Tempelhof
TXL Tegel
Well, one of the things that you learn as a by-product of doing Amazing Race transportation research is that from Zurich, the only airport you can fly directly to is Tegel. I am not sure whether there was an extended pit stop in Switzerland. If I were designing a race I would certainly put one there (as well as one in Botswana). It is likely that teams ran leg 8 on Nov. 29, so they would be ready to head for Berlin on Nov. 30 or likely Dec. 1. Here are the actual flights ZRH to TXL on both dates:
Nov. 30
AB8121 0652 0819
EDW974 0725 0901
LX976 0850 0851
AB8529 1042 1208
LH966 1240 1403
LX970 1649 1812
AB8319 1721 1846
LX978 1748 1912
AB8199 1952 2107
LH962 2040 2210
AB8175 2125 2255
Dec. 1
AB8121 0642 0801
EDW974 0725 0855
LX976 0850 1018
LH566 1240 1401
AB8211 1452 1611
LH970 1631 1748
LX978 1745 1906
LH962 2040 2159
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It is possible, although in my judgment unlikely, that teams may be required to use train travel to get from Zurich to Berlin. There are trains on every hour from 6am to 4pm. All require 1 or 2 changes. for the ones on the even-numbered hour, the change is typically at Hannover. For ones on odd numbers, the change is typically at Basel. One of the trains changes at Basel and Frankfurt and one at Basel and Hannover. The duration of the on-the-hour departures from Zurich varies from 8 hours 4 minutes to 8 hours 25 minutes.
If I were designing this Amazing Race leg 9, I would have teams fly.
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The statement for leg 8 that teams arrived Zurich around 2pm makes it hard to back-calculate how this was done. The first flights Maun to JNB were as stated in an earlier post, 2pm and 220pm departures. I already knew that the nonstops to Zurich arrived at 0610 on Nov. 29 or at 0616 on Nov. 30, also stated in an earlier post.
That left be searching for alternate routes that would land on those dates in Zurich around 2pm and the answer to that was the null set. I tried connecting in Addis Ababa, Cairo, Munich, Frankfurt, Paris-CDG and Rome. Nothing got to Zurich at the stated time. The only one remotely close was via AMS. Here are the flights:
dep. JNB 11/28 0000+1 arr. AMS 1014+1 or dep. JNB 11/29 2358 arr. AMS 1016+1
Connections are on AMS ZRH 11/29 WA1959 1204 1324 or 11/30 1201 1322
DrRox:
--- Quote from: apskip on April 12, 2013, 03:41:34 PM ---I have started my analysis of how teams might have gotten from Zurich to Berlin. The most obvious way is ot fly from Zurich but which airports might you fly to. Berlin has these airports:
BER Brandenburg
EDBT Allstedt
GWW Gatow (an RAF facility)
SFX Schoenfield
TWF Tempelhof
TXL Tegel
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BER Brandenburg--under construction, no fligts land here at this time. Possible opening in 2014 or later.
EDBT Allstedt--no commerical flights since the 1920s when Templehof opened. A research center since then to the 1950s. Berlin's first airport, opened in 1909
GWW Gatow (an RAF facility)--Cold War British zone airfield, closed in 1995
SFX Schoenfield--East German/Soviet Berlin airfield. Operates today and will close when Brandenburg is completed. One runway will be come part of Brandenburg Airport. The Schoenfield terminal will become a German Govt. VIP terminal.
TWF Tempelhof--Cold War American zone airfield, closed in 2008.
TXL Tegel--Cold War French Zone airfield. Operates today, it will close when Brandenburg is opened. It has most of all the commerical flights into Berlin at this time.
There are only two commerical airports in Berlin at present, Tegel and Schoenfield. As apskip stated, only Tegel receives flights from Zurich. Tegel is located in north central Berlin.
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