Topic: Ranking the Teams - Season by Season, leg placements (TAR 1 - 33)

[Marionete]

Verify what?
The order in which the mixed teams arrived to the Pit Stop was pretty clear and is even written in the page, to which I linked you.
The original teams' placements for that leg are reflected in the table (two tied for 1st, two for 3rd, and two for 5th). So I would use these ones, but do as you wish.

An even better solution, I think, is to try it three ways once the season ends and see how much the averages actually fluctuate. But that can easily be done once the race ends, as I've said. One way would be to exclude leg 7 completely, another to count the average placement like you proposed, and the third way is the one used on the wiki.

[theschnauzers]

I plan to rewatch the portion of the episode first.

Second, I don't discount or ignore results of a leg, even at KOR points, and past seasons where there have been KOR points will show that.

While in the earlier seasons of the Race, there were ties at the end of a leg, once they had a massive (six-way, IIRC) tie when prizes were awarded, the show prohibited ties. So I'm trying to figure out a fair way to deal with the seeming contradiction in placements at the KOR point, since that marked the end of one leg and the beginning of another.

[theschnauzers]

I have rewatched the episode, particularly the order of putting up the tents which apparently was used on only to decide which teams would pick first for the partner swap, but may have been also used as the time breaker at the check-in.
(This is shown in a comment Kristi/Jen made on screen in leaving by vehicle with Cody/Jess after the KOR clue, about being the 5th and 6th place teams, and by Phil seemingly addressing Kristi/Jen as the sixth place team at the check-in for the leg.)
So we have
                           tent  order of arrival    averaged    check in order  tent tiebreaker
Team Big Brother      1  1+6                    3.5            5/6                  5
Team Extreme          4  1+6                    3.5            5/6                  6
Team Firefighters      5  4+5                    4.5            3/4                  4
Team Ocean Rescue  2  2+3                    2.5            1/2                  1
Team Indycar           6  2+3                    2.5            1/2                  2
Team Yale                3  4+5                    4.5            3/4                  3

Because the use of the team completion order not only to pick for the partner swap but as a possible tie breaker for the check-ins would make sense as using that for both puts some real importance to the task, and is consistent with Phil's comments and Team Extreme comments at and after the KOR clue was handed out. But it is still ambiguous.

So we have three sets of numbers to choose from. The average within each team arriving at the check in point, the KOR release order with no tiebreaker, and the release order using the tent task order as a tiebreaker. At the moment, I am tending towards the last of those three numbers because it is consistent with the KOR release order, avoids ties at the end of a leg, which is a longstanding rule, and seemingly takes into account the statements made on camera that imply there was a sixth place team.

[theschnauzers]

For now, based on first hand information from Jen, I am going to use the averaged order of arrival of team members as the placement for leg 7.

[theschnauzers]

After 8 legs:

Leg 7 featured the first ever “partner swap” where a pair of teams switched partners for the leg and were checked in once both teammates had reached the check in point. Leg 7 was also a KOR leg. Because the only information given on air was the arrival order of the swapped pairs, the team placement for leg 7 is the average of each team members arrival order as a swapped pair. No actual placement order for each team was announced.

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Fraction Placement Average

Kristi & Jen 1 3 3 3 2 1 3.5 2 18.5/8 2.3125
Cody & Jessica 2 1 5 2 6 6 3.5 5 28.5/8 3.5625
Alex & Conor 5 5 2 1 5 4 2.5 3 27.5/8 3.4375
Henry & Evan 3 8 1 6 4 3 4.5 4 33.5/8 4.8175
Lucas & Brittany 7 6 8 8 1 5 2.5 1 38.1/8 4.8125

30-06 Eric & Daniel 8 9 7 7 3 2 4.5 6 46.5/8 5.8125
30-07 Trevor & Chris 4 4 4 5 7 7 31/6 5.1666
30-08 Joey & Tim 6 7 6 4 8 31/5 6.2000
30-09 Cedric & Shawn 9 2 9 9 29/4 7.2500
30-10 April & Sarah 10 10 20/2 10.0000
30-11 Dessie & Kayla 11 11/1 11.0000


[theschnauzers]

After 10 legs:

Leg 7 featured the first ever “partner swap” where a pair of teams switched partners for the leg and were checked in once both teammates had reached the check in point. Leg 7 was also a KOR leg. Because the only information given on air was the arrival order of the swapped pairs, the team placement for leg 7 is the average of each team members arrival order as a swapped pair. No actual placement order for each team was announced.

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Fraction Placement Average

Kristi & Jen 1 3 3 3 2 1 3.5 2 2 3 23.5/10 2.3500
Alex & Conor 5 5 2 1 5 4 2.5 3 1 1 29.5/10 2.9500
Cody & Jessica 2 1 5 2 6 6 3.5 5 4 2 34.5/10 3.4500
Henry & Evan 3 8 1 6 4 3 4.5 4 3 4 40.5/10 4.0500

30-05 Lucas & Brittany 7 6 8 8 1 5 2.5 1 5 43.5/9 4.8333
30-06 Eric & Daniel 8 9 7 7 3 2 4.5 6 46.5/8 5.8125
30-07 Trevor & Chris 4 4 4 5 7 7 31/6 5.1666
30-08 Joey & Tim 6 7 6 4 8 31/5 6.2000
30-09 Cedric & Shawn 9 2 9 9 29/4 7.2500
30-10 April & Sarah 10 10 20/2 10.0000
30-11 Dessie & Kayla 11 11/1 11.0000


[theschnauzers]

This is the final team placements for season 30.
Leg 7 featured the first ever “partner swap” where a pair of teams switched partners for the leg and were checked in once both teammates had reached the check in point. Leg 7 was also a KOR leg. Different sources are trying different approaches on the team placements for that leg. Wikipedia has shifted its treatment of that leg more than once. Because the only information given on air was the arrival order of the swapped pairs, the team placement for leg 7 being used here is the average of each team member’s arrival order as a swapped pair. No actual placement order for each team was announced, and the show has implied it is ignoring any placement order for the leg, period.

So this is what will be posted in the opening post of this thread, and used to update the master list in the other thread.

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Fraction Placement Average

30-01 Cody & Jessica 2 1 5 2 6 6 3.5 5 4 2 2 1 37.5/12 3.1250
30-02 Henry & Evan 3 8 1 6 4 3 4.5 4 3 4 1 2 43.5/1 3.6250
30-03 Kristi & Jen 1 3 3 3 2 1 3.5 2 2 3 3 3 29.5/12 2.4583
30-04 Alex & Conor 5 5 2 1 5 4 2.5 3 1 1 4 33.5/11 3.0454
30-05 Lucas & Brittany 7 6 8 8 1 5 2.5 1 5 43.5/9 4.8333
30-06 Eric & Daniel 8 9 7 7 3 2 4.5 6 46.5/8 5.8125
30-07 Trevor & Chris 4 4 4 5 7 7 31/6 5.1666
30-08 Joey & Tim 6 7 6 4 8 31/5 6.2000
30-09 Cedric & Shawn 9 2 9 9 29/4 7.2500
30-10 April & Sarah 10 10 20/2 10.0000
30-11 Dessie & Kayla 11 11/1 11.0000


[theschnauzers]

Maybe we can get both this thread and the other thread with the overall master list pinned? They they will be easier to find?

[theschnauzers]

The updated master list of team placements averages has been posted in the other thread. It now includes all 30 seasons to date!

[theschnauzers]

I will be doing the rankings for season 31. All teams will be ranked separately from any earlier appearances in earlier season.
Probably will begin after the second or third leg airs.

[theschnauzers]

Back for season 31!

Adter the 4th leg, with three eliminationns so far. Leaderboard in order of average leg placement:

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Colin & Christie Life Partners TAR 2 4 3 1 2.500 10/4 Colin 3, Christie 2
Nicole & Victor Dating BB 6 2 2 2 3.000 12/4 Nicole 2, Victor 3
Leo & Jamal Cousins TAR 1 1 8 6 4.000 16/4 Leo 2, Jamal 3
Tyler & Korey YouTubers TAR 3 7 4 5 4.750 19/4 Tyler 3, Korey 2
Becca & Floyd Friends TAR 5 9 1 4 4.750 19/4 Becca 3, Floyd 2
Rachel & Elissa Sisters BB 4 3 7 8 5.500 22/4 Rachel 2, Elissa 3
Janelle & Britney Friends BB 8 5 6 7 6.500 26/4 Janelle 3, Britney 2
Chris & Bret Friends Sur 7 8 9 3 6.750 27/4 Chris 3, Bret 2


Corinne & Eliza Friends Sur 9 6 5 9 7.250 29/4 Corinne 3 Eliza 2
Rupert & Laura Married Sur 10 10 10.000 20/2 Rupert 2, Laura 1
Art & JJ Border Pat TAR 11 11.000 11/1 Art 1, JJ 1


[theschnauzers]

After legs 5 and 6:

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Colin & Christie Life Partners TAR 2 4 3 1 3 2 2.500 15/6 Colin 4, Christie 3
Nicole & Victor Dating BB 6 2 2 2 5 3 3.000 20/6 Nicole 3, Victor 4
Tyler & Korey YouTubers TAR 3 7 4 5 4 1 4.000 24/6 Tyler 4, Korey 3
Becca & Floyd Friends TAR 5 9 1 4 1 5 4.133 25/6 Becca 3, Floyd 4
Leo & Jamal Cousins TAR 1 1 8 6 7 6 4.833 29/6 Leo 3, Jamal 4
Chris & Bret Friends Sur 7 8 9 3 2 4 5.500 33/6 Chris 4, Bret 3
Rachel & Elissa Sisters BB 4 3 7 8 8 7 5.500 37/6 Rachel 3, Elissa 39k

Janelle & Britney Friends BB 8 5 6 7 6 8 6.666 40/6 Janelle 5, Britney 2
Corinne & Eliza Friends Sur 9 6 5 9 7.250 29/4 Corinne 3 Eliza 2
Rupert & Laura Married Sur 10 10 10.000 20/2 Rupert 2, Laura 1
Art & JJ Border Pat TAR 11 11.000 11/1 Art 1, JJ 1

[theschnauzers]

After Leg 7:

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Colin & Christie Life Partners TAR 2 4 3 1 3 2 2 2.428 17/7 Colin 4, Christie 4
Tyler & Korey YouTubers TAR 3 7 4 5 4 1 1 3.571 25/7 Tyler 4, Korey 4
Nicole & Victor Dating BB 6 2 2 2 5 3 7 3.857 27/7 Nicole 4, Victor 4
Becca & Floyd Friends TAR 5 9 1 4 1 5 3 4.000 28/7 Becca 4, Floyd 4
Leo & Jamal Cousins TAR 1 1 8 6 7 6 4 4.714 33/7 Leo 4, Jamal 4
Chris & Bret Friends Sur 7 8 9 3 2 4 6 5.571 39/7 Chris 5, Bret 3
Rachel & Elissa Sisters BB 4 3 7 8 8 7 5 6.000 42/7 Rachel 3, Elissa 5

Janelle & Britney Friends BB 8 5 6 7 6 8 6.666 40/6 Janelle 5, Britney 2
Corinne & Eliza Friends Sur 9 6 5 9 7.250 29/4 Corinne 3 Eliza 2
Rupert & Laura Married Sur 10 10 10.000 20/2 Rupert 2, Laura 1
Art & JJ Border Pat TAR 11 11.000 11/1 Art 1, JJ 1
Just a reminder, Teams are placed in the order of overall placement average in the Race to the most recent leg aired.

[theschnauzers]

In leg 8, in spite of the finishes, every team stayed in its average placement order, and the team with the worst placement average went home. Standings after leg 8:

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Colin & Christie Life Partners TAR 2 4 3 1 3 2 2 3 2.500 20/8 Colin 5, Christie 4
Tyler & Korey YouTubers TAR 3 7 4 5 4 1 1 1 3.250 26/8 Tyler 5, Korey 4
Nicole & Victor Dating BB 6 2 2 2 5 3 7 5 4.000 32/8 Nicole 4, Victor 5
Becca & Floyd Friends TAR 5 9 1 4 1 5 3 4 4.000 32/8 Becca 5, Floyd 4
Leo & Jamal Cousins TAR 1 1 8 6 7 6 4 6 4.875 39/8 Leo 4, Jamal 5
Chris & Bret Friends Sur 7 8 9 3 2 4 6 2 5.125 41/8 Chris 5, Bret 4

Rachel & Elissa Sisters BB 4 3 7 8 8 7 5 7 6.125 49/8 Rachel 4, Elissa 5
Janelle & Britney Friends BB 8 5 6 7 6 8 6.666 40/6 Janelle 5, Britney 2
Corinne & Eliza Friends Sur 9 6 5 9 7.250 29/4 Corinne 3 Eliza 2
Rupert & Laura Married Sur 10 10 10.000 20/2 Rupert 2, Laura 1
Art & JJ Border Pat TAR 11 11.000 11/1 Art 1, JJ 1


[theschnauzers]

Since leg 7 the order of average leg placement has not changed:

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Colin & Christie Life Partners TAR 2 4 3 1 3 2 2 3 4 2.666 24/9 Colin 5, Christie 5
Tyler & Korey YouTubers TAR 3 7 4 5 4 1 1 1 1 3.000 27/9 Tyler 5, Korey 5
Nicole & Victor Dating BB 6 2 2 2 5 3 7 5 2 3.777 34/9 Nicole 5, Victor 5
Becca & Floyd Friends TAR 5 9 1 4 1 5 3 4 3 3.888 35/9 Becca 5, Floyd 5
Leo & Jamal Cousins TAR 1 1 8 6 7 6 4 6 5 4.888 44/9 Leo 5, Jamal 5

Chris & Bret Friends Sur 7 8 9 3 2 4 6 2 6 5.222 47/9 Chris 5, Bret 5
Rachel & Elissa Sisters BB 4 3 7 8 8 7 5 7 6.125 49/8 Rachel 4, Elissa 5
Janelle & Britney Friends BB 8 5 6 7 6 8 6.666 40/6 Janelle 5, Britney 2
Corinne & Eliza Friends Sur 9 6 5 9 7.250 29/4 Corinne 3 Eliza 2
Rupert & Laura Married Sur 10 10 10.000 20/2 Rupert 2, Laura 1
Art & JJ Border Pat TAR 11 11.000 11/1 Art 1, JJ 1


[theschnauzers]

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Colin & Christie Life Partners TAR 2 4 3 1 3 2 2 3 4 1 2.500 25/10 Colin 5, Christie 5
Tyler & Korey YouTubers TAR 3 7 4 5 4 1 1 1 1 2 2.900 29/10 Tyler 5, Korey 5
Nicole & Victor Dating BB 6 2 2 2 5 3 7 5 2 4 3.800 38/10 Nicole 5, Victor 5
Leo & Jamal Cousins TAR 1 1 8 6 7 6 4 6 5 3 4.700 47/10 Leo 5, Jamal 5

Becca & Floyd Friends TAR 5 9 1 4 1 5 3 4 3 5 4.000 40/10 Becca 5, Floyd 5
Chris & Bret Friends Sur 7 8 9 3 2 4 6 2 6 5.222 47/9 Chris 5, Bret 5
Rachel & Elissa Sisters BB 4 3 7 8 8 7 5 7 6.125 49/8 Rachel 4, Elissa 5
Janelle & Britney Friends BB 8 5 6 7 6 8 6.666 40/6 Janelle 5, Britney 2
Corinne & Eliza Friends Sur 9 6 5 9 7.250 29/4 Corinne 3 Eliza 2
Rupert & Laura Married Sur 10 10 10.000 20/2 Rupert 2, Laura 1
Art & JJ Border Pat TAR 11 11.000 11/1 Art 1, JJ 1


[albegrato]

Hey the schnauzers! I think I found two mistakes:
Matt & Ashley - TAR 26
Travis & Nicole - TAR 23

Also, TAR 24 Leg 1, there was some changes in the departure times the next leg!

[theschnauzers]

Did you compare them to say, Wikipedia? You’re going to have to be more specific about what the error could be.

And generally I follow check in order on that leg not release order the following leg. Sometimes those are affected by production time credits, which are normally never announced on air. And on other occasions, the show doesn’t bother with showing release times on screen.

[albegrato]

Did you compare them to say, Wikipedia? You’re going to have to be more specific about what the error could be.

And generally I follow check in order on that leg not release order the following leg. Sometimes those are affected by production time credits, which are normally never announced on air.And on other occasions, the show doesn’t bother with showing releasetimeson screen.

Ohhhh that makes sense hahaha I used your tables to double-check my own statistics table. And yeah I used Wikipedia as my basis hahaha so I get the choice between mat arrival and next leg departure. But for Matt & Ashley and Amani & Marcus (mybad), I think the average is wrong.

[theschnauzers]

The in season placement average leaderboards going back to season 20 and notably season 23 and 26 are upthread in this thread. Since I don’t know what you think the order is, I wouldn’t know what your questioning. You should be able to point out where you think an error is.
You’ll notice upthread folks did point specifically to what the order is. Keep in mind that I list teams in seasonal placement average order, but the placements for each team is correctly shown in that team’s line.

[albegrato]

19-03 Amani - Marcus          5   9   6   6   1   7   4   4   1   4   3   3      54/12   4.5000
25-05   Matt & Ashley    9   7   6   8   2   4   1   2   5   5         51/10      5.1000

But I think it chould be:
19-03 Amani & Marcus: 5   9   6   6   1   7   4   4   1   4   3   3      53/12   4.4166
25-05 Matt & Ashley    9   7   6   8   2   4   1   2   5   5         49/10      4.9000

[theschnauzers]

I’ll check it when I get to working in TAR 31 in the master list.

[theschnauzers]

TAR 31 Final leaderboard

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Colin & Christie Life Partners TAR 2 4 3 1 3 2 2 3 4 1 3 1 2.4166 29/12 Colin 6, Christie 6
Tyler & Korey YouTubers TAR 3 7 4 5 4 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2.7500 33/12 Tyler 6, Korey 6
Leo & Jamal Cousins TAR 1 1 8 6 7 6 4 6 5 3 1 3 4.2500 51/12 Leo 6, Jamal 6

Nicole & Victor Dating BB 6 2 2 2 5 3 7 5 2 4 4 3.8181 42/11 Nicole 5, Victor 6
Becca & Floyd Friends TAR 5 9 1 4 1 5 3 4 3 5 4.0000 40/10 Becca 5, Floyd 5
Chris & Bret Friends Sur 7 8 9 3 2 4 6 2 6 5.2222 47/9 Chris 5, Bret 5
Rachel & Elissa Sisters BB 4 3 7 8 8 7 5 7 6.1250 49/8 Rachel 4, Elissa 5
Janelle & Britney Friends BB 8 5 6 7 6 8 6.6666 40/6 Janelle 5, Britney 2
Corinne & Eliza Friends Sur 9 6 5 9 7.2500 29/4 Corinne 3 Eliza 2
Rupert & Laura Married Sur 10 10 10.0000 20/2 Rupert 2, Laura 1
Art & JJ Border Pat TAR 11 11.0000 11/1 Art 1, JJ 1



[theschnauzers]

19-03 Amani - Marcus          5   9   6   6   1   7   4   4   1   4   3   3      54/12   4.5000
25-05   Matt & Ashley    9   7   6   8   2   4   1   2   5   5         51/10      5.1000

But I think it chould be:
19-03 Amani & Marcus: 5   9   6   6   1   7   4   4   1   4   3   3      53/12   4.4166
25-05 Matt & Ashley    9   7   6   8   2   4   1   2   5   5         49/10      4.9000

Fixed.

[theschnauzers]

Entry for TAR 31 corrected.