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Re: Ranking the Teams - Season by Season, leg placements (TAR 1 - 29 updating 30)
« Reply #100 on: February 08, 2018, 05:39:11 PM »
Verify what?
The order in which the mixed teams arrived to the Pit Stop was pretty clear and is even written in the page, to which I linked you.
The original teams' placements for that leg are reflected in the table (two tied for 1st, two for 3rd, and two for 5th). So I would use these ones, but do as you wish.

An even better solution, I think, is to try it three ways once the season ends and see how much the averages actually fluctuate. But that can easily be done once the race ends, as I've said. One way would be to exclude leg 7 completely, another to count the average placement like you proposed, and the third way is the one used on the wiki.

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Re: Ranking the Teams - Season by Season, leg placements (TAR 1 - 29 updating 30)
« Reply #101 on: February 09, 2018, 03:36:56 AM »
I plan to rewatch the portion of the episode first.

Second, I don't discount or ignore results of a leg, even at KOR points, and past seasons where there have been KOR points will show that.

While in the earlier seasons of the Race, there were ties at the end of a leg, once they had a massive (six-way, IIRC) tie when prizes were awarded, the show prohibited ties. So I'm trying to figure out a fair way to deal with the seeming contradiction in placements at the KOR point, since that marked the end of one leg and the beginning of another.
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Re: Ranking the Teams - Season by Season, leg placements (TAR 1 - 29 updating 30)
« Reply #102 on: February 09, 2018, 08:40:46 PM »
I have rewatched the episode, particularly the order of putting up the tents which apparently was used on only to decide which teams would pick first for the partner swap, but may have been also used as the time breaker at the check-in.
(This is shown in a comment Kristi/Jen made on screen in leaving by vehicle with Cody/Jess after the KOR clue, about being the 5th and 6th place teams, and by Phil seemingly addressing Kristi/Jen as the sixth place team at the check-in for the leg.)
So we have
                           tent  order of arrival    averaged    check in order  tent tiebreaker
Team Big Brother      1  1+6                    3.5            5/6                  5
Team Extreme          4  1+6                    3.5            5/6                  6
Team Firefighters      5  4+5                    4.5            3/4                  4
Team Ocean Rescue  2  2+3                    2.5            1/2                  1
Team Indycar           6  2+3                    2.5            1/2                  2
Team Yale                3  4+5                    4.5            3/4                  3

Because the use of the team completion order not only to pick for the partner swap but as a possible tie breaker for the check-ins would make sense as using that for both puts some real importance to the task, and is consistent with Phil's comments and Team Extreme comments at and after the KOR clue was handed out. But it is still ambiguous.

So we have three sets of numbers to choose from. The average within each team arriving at the check in point, the KOR release order with no tiebreaker, and the release order using the tent task order as a tiebreaker. At the moment, I am tending towards the last of those three numbers because it is consistent with the KOR release order, avoids ties at the end of a leg, which is a longstanding rule, and seemingly takes into account the statements made on camera that imply there was a sixth place team.
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Re: Ranking the Teams - Season by Season, leg placements (TAR 1 - 29 updating 30)
« Reply #103 on: February 13, 2018, 12:56:41 PM »
For now, based on first hand information from Jen, I am going to use the averaged order of arrival of team members as the placement for leg 7.
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Re: Ranking the Teams - Season by Season, leg placements (TAR 1 - 29 updating 30)
« Reply #104 on: February 14, 2018, 07:03:44 PM »
After 8 legs:

Leg 7 featured the first ever “partner swap” where a pair of teams switched partners for the leg and were checked in once both teammates had reached the check in point. Leg 7 was also a KOR leg. Because the only information given on air was the arrival order of the swapped pairs, the team placement for leg 7 is the average of each team members arrival order as a swapped pair. No actual placement order for each team was announced.

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Fraction Placement Average

Kristi & Jen 1 3 3 3 2 1 3.5 2 18.5/8 2.3125
Cody & Jessica 2 1 5 2 6 6 3.5 5 28.5/8 3.5625
Alex & Conor 5 5 2 1 5 4 2.5 3 27.5/8 3.4375
Henry & Evan 3 8 1 6 4 3 4.5 4 33.5/8 4.8175
Lucas & Brittany 7 6 8 8 1 5 2.5 1 38.1/8 4.8125

30-06 Eric & Daniel 8 9 7 7 3 2 4.5 6 46.5/8 5.8125
30-07 Trevor & Chris 4 4 4 5 7 7 31/6 5.1666
30-08 Joey & Tim 6 7 6 4 8 31/5 6.2000
30-09 Cedric & Shawn 9 2 9 9 29/4 7.2500
30-10 April & Sarah 10 10 20/2 10.0000
30-11 Dessie & Kayla 11 11/1 11.0000
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Re: Ranking the Teams - Season by Season, leg placements (TAR 1 - 29 updating 30)
« Reply #105 on: February 15, 2018, 12:54:19 PM »
After 10 legs:

Leg 7 featured the first ever “partner swap” where a pair of teams switched partners for the leg and were checked in once both teammates had reached the check in point. Leg 7 was also a KOR leg. Because the only information given on air was the arrival order of the swapped pairs, the team placement for leg 7 is the average of each team members arrival order as a swapped pair. No actual placement order for each team was announced.

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Fraction Placement Average

Kristi & Jen 1 3 3 3 2 1 3.5 2 2 3 23.5/10 2.3500
Alex & Conor 5 5 2 1 5 4 2.5 3 1 1 29.5/10 2.9500
Cody & Jessica 2 1 5 2 6 6 3.5 5 4 2 34.5/10 3.4500
Henry & Evan 3 8 1 6 4 3 4.5 4 3 4 40.5/10 4.0500

30-05 Lucas & Brittany 7 6 8 8 1 5 2.5 1 5 43.5/9 4.8333
30-06 Eric & Daniel 8 9 7 7 3 2 4.5 6 46.5/8 5.8125
30-07 Trevor & Chris 4 4 4 5 7 7 31/6 5.1666
30-08 Joey & Tim 6 7 6 4 8 31/5 6.2000
30-09 Cedric & Shawn 9 2 9 9 29/4 7.2500
30-10 April & Sarah 10 10 20/2 10.0000
30-11 Dessie & Kayla 11 11/1 11.0000
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Re: Ranking the Teams - Season by Season, leg placements (TAR 1 - 30)
« Reply #106 on: February 22, 2018, 07:45:58 PM »
This is the final team placements for season 30.
Leg 7 featured the first ever “partner swap” where a pair of teams switched partners for the leg and were checked in once both teammates had reached the check in point. Leg 7 was also a KOR leg. Different sources are trying different approaches on the team placements for that leg. Wikipedia has shifted its treatment of that leg more than once. Because the only information given on air was the arrival order of the swapped pairs, the team placement for leg 7 being used here is the average of each team member’s arrival order as a swapped pair. No actual placement order for each team was announced, and the show has implied it is ignoring any placement order for the leg, period.

So this is what will be posted in the opening post of this thread, and used to update the master list in the other thread.


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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Fraction Placement Average

30-01 Cody & Jessica 2 1 5 2 6 6 3.5 5 4 2 2 1 37.5/12 3.1250
30-02 Henry & Evan 3 8 1 6 4 3 4.5 4 3 4 1 2 43.5/1 3.6250
30-03 Kristi & Jen 1 3 3 3 2 1 3.5 2 2 3 3 3 29.5/12 2.4583
30-04 Alex & Conor 5 5 2 1 5 4 2.5 3 1 1 4 33.5/11 3.0454
30-05 Lucas & Brittany 7 6 8 8 1 5 2.5 1 5 43.5/9 4.8333
30-06 Eric & Daniel 8 9 7 7 3 2 4.5 6 46.5/8 5.8125
30-07 Trevor & Chris 4 4 4 5 7 7 31/6 5.1666
30-08 Joey & Tim 6 7 6 4 8 31/5 6.2000
30-09 Cedric & Shawn 9 2 9 9 29/4 7.2500
30-10 April & Sarah 10 10 20/2 10.0000
30-11 Dessie & Kayla 11 11/1 11.0000
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Re: Ranking the Teams - Season by Season, leg placements (TAR 1 - 30 complete!)
« Reply #107 on: February 25, 2018, 11:07:34 PM »
Maybe we can get both this thread and the other thread with the overall master list pinned? They they will be easier to find?
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The updated master list of team placements averages has been posted in the other thread. It now includes all 30 seasons to date!
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