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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2010, 09:44:09 AM »
The FF as it is now doesn't have any meaning. The first team goes for it and the rest don't even read the clue. I agree that there should be perhaps 3 FF through out the race or if this is not financially possible then it should be at a point of the race that it would give to more than one teams the opportunity to go for it, for example after a flight or hours of operation. If there are more than one FF then the first ones in the race can be used by the last teams to catch up and perhaps save a team that had some bad luck in a previous leg.

About the Express Pass, one for each team with no more than one team using it in the same task seems allright for me!

Also a good idea and maybe this way the FF wouldn't be necessary.

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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2010, 06:19:08 PM »
The FF is an amazing tool, WHEN IT APPEARS ON EVERY LEG. That hasn't been the case since Season 5 due to costs (another reason why the Speedbump may be retired soon). I really wish every team could get an Express Pass at the start of the race, it has potential to be a good replacement for the FF.

Similarly, the Yield (and other related markers) had potential when it appeared on every leg.

The intersection makes no sense to me whatsoever.

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I have some shocking news for you. There has never been an Amazing Race with FAST FORWARDs on every leg. Here is the count of successful FAST FORWARDS in each one:

1- 5
2- 6
3- 6
4 -7
5- just 2, in spite of what you indicated
6- 2
7- 1 (not counting the infamous head-shaving abort for Brandon/Nicole)
8 -1
9- 2
10- 2
11- 2
12- 1 (one at Trakai was ignored by everyone)
13- 2
14-0 (in Phuket there was one unused to due to perception of little gain)
15-1
16-1
17-1

The highest count was for AR4 with 7 successful FAST FORWARDs out of 13 legs. I haven't got the time to go back and count the unused FAST FORWARDs for every Amazing Race 1 to 13 but there likely were a few.
 


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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2010, 06:31:02 PM »
wait, weren't Brandon & Nicole in season 5??
and didnt Uchenna and Joyce use one in s7? Wasnt it the head shaving one?

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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2010, 06:37:13 PM »
The highest count was for AR4 with 7 successful FAST FORWARDs out of 13 legs. I haven't got the time to go back and count the unused FAST FORWARDs for every Amazing Race 1 to 13 but there likely were a few.
I'm pretty sure that in TAR2-4 (I don't know about TAR1 as I haven't seen it) that there was one Fast Forward in each leg except for the last two legs.
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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2010, 06:42:51 PM »
Long ago, it was once posted in the forum that the Fast Forward could be avoided so as to exchange it for other similar tasks (something like and Express Pass for all the teams and more options).

BUT; I really like this awesome clue! It makes you be very competitive through all the leg, and only if you're the first team, you may attempt for it.

Also, there is a new thing coming up... The Fast Forward blessing. Nat & Kat; Dan & Jordan; Meghan & Cheyne; Nick & Starr; Ken & Tina (2nd placers!); Nick & Don (3rd place for the ¿oldest contestant ever?); Uchnna & Joyce; BJ & Tyler; Tyler & James... All of them won the Fast Forward (most of the times, their race's ONLY Fast Forward) and ended up in the F3; one of them as 3rd placers; one of them as 2nd Placers, and the rest of them as WINNERS.

Is there any MAGIC involved with the Fast Forward that gives you extra powers for the rest of the entire race??

Feel free to comment your impressions, if you want to!  :cmas9

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I want to improve your list rather a lot. My source is the excellent book "Circumnavigating the Globe: Amazing Race 10 -14 and Amazing Race Asia 1 - 3" which has an entire chapter devoted to "Summary of All FAST FORWARDs in All Amazing Races [through the publication date in 2009]. "  You are correct that most recent 3 Amazing Races had only one FAST FORWARD and each was won by the winner of that race. Let's take a look at the more ancient history of Amazing Races for 1st, 2nd, or 3rd places winning a FAST FORWARD:

AR1 - Rob/Brennan (1st), Frank/Margarita (2nd), Joe/Bill (3rd)
AR2 - Chris/Alex (1st), Wil/Tara (2nd), Blake/Paige (3rd)
AR3 - Flo/Zach (1st), Ken/Gerard (3rd)
AR4 - Chip/Reichen (1st), Jeff/David (3rd)
AR5 - Colin/Christie (2nd)
AR6 - Adam/Rebecca (3rd)
AR7 - Uchenna/Joyce (1st)
AR8 - none
AR9 - B.J./Tyler (1st), Eric/Jeremy (2nd)
AR10 - Tyler/James (1st), Rob/Kimberly (2nd), in an intersection and one of 4 times in Amazing Race history that the FAST FORWARD winners did not win that leg
AR11 - none
AR12 - Donald/Nicolas (3rd)
AR13 - Nick/Starr (1st), Ken/Tina (2nd)
AR14 - only one unused
AR15 - Meghan/Cheyne (1st)
AR16 - Dan/Jordan (1st)
AR17 - Nat/Kat

I have added above 14 1st, 2nd or 3 place finishers who won FAST FORWARDs to your original list of 9.


 




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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2010, 06:45:25 PM »
As the fast forward stands now there can be NO strategic use, its basically if you get there first then you take it. I know they were removed from every leg because it became expensive and often no team went for it.

However it IS possible to reduce the cost associated with the fast forward without getting rid of it completely. Not all the fast forwards were expensive even in the earlier seasons. Simply place the fast forward in places that are difficult to find and possibly make the teams going for it take public transport. The process of locating the fast forward would be difficult and thus a task would not be required.

I don't mind the express pass, it could easily replace the fast forward BUT I think every team needs to automatically start the race with one. Maybe put in the rules that only one team can use the fast forward on any given task to stop all teams simultaneously skipping the same task.

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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2010, 09:17:32 PM »
I agree with the person that posted that there should be several EP hidden and teams may attempt to find or retrieve it it during a Pit Stop or resting point. One user already suggested burying several ones in sand (like the first task in Season 7). Other idea could be, if they're camping in a frozen region, have several clue envelopes (only 2 or 3 with EPs and several TRY AGAINs) inside blocks of ice and have teams breaking them. IMO it would work best during non-racing time and have teams try to get them as soon as they reach the resting point.
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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2010, 09:20:29 PM »
I agree with the person that posted that there should be several EP hidden and teams may attempt to find or retrieve it it during a Pit Stop or resting point. One user already suggested burying several ones in sand (like the first task in Season 7). Other idea could be, if they're camping in a frozen region, have several clue envelopes (only 2 or 3 with EPs and several TRY AGAINs) inside blocks of ice and have teams breaking them. IMO it would work best during non-racing time and have teams try to get them as soon as they reach the resting point.

or when they travelocity gnome task comes, hide them like the free trip in season 7!

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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2010, 10:03:41 PM »
Apskip, your list is wrong. Teri and Ian (2nd) also won a Fast Forward in TAR3 - the carpet shop one in Marrakech.

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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2010, 12:35:50 AM »
"Circumnavigating the Globe: Amazing Race 10 -14 and Amazing Race Asia 1 - 3"

Wow. There is such a book?  :cmas18 Ima go check it out!  :cmas22


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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2010, 12:59:33 AM »
Nick & Vicki tried TAR17s although they seemed a little vague on the whole Fast Forward concept. :cmaslol :rulz: )

This is just my opinion. Tell me if you agree or not, but I am a firm believer that there should be 3-4 Fast Forwards per race.

Brook and Claire also went for that Fast Forward and when they got there Nat and Kat were basically finishing so it would have been no point in trying to compete against them for the Fast Forward, if they still allow that. This is why they arrived to the bridge after Kevin and Michael and Gary and Mallory.

I think there is a bit of strategy in using the Fast Forward if there is only one per game but it's not the same type of strategy as holding out. But holding out until you decide to use yours could be a bad thing also. The strategy in using the only Fast Forward is that if you watch the race, (Nick and Vicki :cmas27) you know that it's going to be something unpleasant. You have to ask yourself what are you willing to do to stay in the lead? What if you get to the location and can't follow through? Now you have to travel to the Roadblock or Detour hoping that there is someone worse off than you. Holding out can be a bad thing because you could not use it and get eliminated that leg or you might never be in first again. It's all about you making what you think the best decision is for you team.
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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2010, 05:08:43 PM »
I agree with the person that posted that there should be several EP hidden and teams may attempt to find or retrieve it it during a Pit Stop or resting point. One user already suggested burying several ones in sand (like the first task in Season 7). Other idea could be, if they're camping in a frozen region, have several clue envelopes (only 2 or 3 with EPs and several TRY AGAINs) inside blocks of ice and have teams breaking them. IMO it would work best during non-racing time and have teams try to get them as soon as they reach the resting point.
From what I understand about the grueling and sleep-deprived nature of the Amazing Race, having new tasks to do at the pit stops is the LAST thing teams need. They need to Eat, Relax and Mingle like they used to several seasons ago.

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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2011, 08:51:37 PM »
The degradation of the Fast Forward after TAR4 has always been my #1 beef with the show.  I understand that it was done to save money, and I don't think it should be on every leg anyway, but it should be on more than one or two legs of the entire race.  Like someone else said, before there was strategy involved because the teams could only ever use it once and they had to decide whether it was best to go for it then or save it for later.  Around TAR10/TAR11 when the rules were changed so you could use it more than once (like Oswald and Danny did) and especially since 15 when there's only one on the race....there's no point to it.  The first team that gets the clue goes for it and that's it.  Imo they should either increase the number of FFs to four/five in the race, or just get rid of it altogether.

As far as the Express Pass is concerned...meh.  I don't care for it personally, but then again it would probably be better if it was implemented more as well.  I don't think every team should get one, though.

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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2011, 12:02:32 PM »
The degradation of the Fast Forward after TAR4 has always been my #1 beef with the show.  I understand that it was done to save money, and I don't think it should be on every leg anyway, but it should be on more than one or two legs of the entire race.  Like someone else said, before there was strategy involved because the teams could only ever use it once and they had to decide whether it was best to go for it then or save it for later.  Around TAR10/TAR11 when the rules were changed so you could use it more than once (like Oswald and Danny did) and especially since 15 when there's only one on the race....there's no point to it.  The first team that gets the clue goes for it and that's it.  Imo they should either increase the number of FFs to four/five in the race, or just get rid of it altogether.

As far as the Express Pass is concerned...meh.  I don't care for it personally, but then again it would probably be better if it was implemented more as well.  I don't think every team should get one, though.

But it seems as if no matter if there is one Fast Forward on the race, three Fast Forwards on the race, or five Fast Forwards on the race, the team in front is going to go for it anyway. More Fast Forwards really doesn't change anything but giving another team a chance to get a Fast Forward. But at the same time, since there is no cap, a team that got a previous Fast Forward can be first to the clue box on another leg to try for another Fast Forward. But if you decide to not use the Fast Forward hoping you'll be around and get eliminated that leg for whatever reason, where is the strategy in that? No one knows what any leg is going to bring or the previous leg, so I think as long as you're there and in a position to compete for it, you should always go for the Fast Forward.

Also there is nothing that says you can't compete against another team for the Fast Forward, especially depending on the task. If the second team is relatively close behind the first team then they can go hoping that the first team gets lost on the way, can't go through with the Fast Forward, or end the end lose to them.

As I said, I think part of the team strategy has to come down to what they're willing to do to keep a lead. Kat threw her 22 year old practice out of the window so the team could keep their lead. She could have said forget it and her and Nat would have went to the bridge and still placed seeing as how they were in the front of the pack. Brook and Claire got to the bridge only dropping two places and placed fifth. But Nat and Kat said going in they were going to do everything; that's strategy. I wouldn't have shaved my head and depending on my partner, I probably wouldn't have ate that sheep's head. So even if I were in first and I got to the Fast Forward, my teammate and I probably would have been out on that bridge with the rest of them.
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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2011, 01:22:26 PM »
But it seems as if no matter if there is one Fast Forward on the race, three Fast Forwards on the race, or five Fast Forwards on the race, the team in front is going to go for it anyway.

In the first TARs especially on the first few legs of each race the teams that went for the ff were the ones at the back of the pack, having a way to stay in the race. I still remember in TAR 3 the twin male models, Drew and Derek, went for the ff in the 2nd leg and they went all the way to fourth place at the end, otherwise they would have been eliminated.
I agree that even if there are more ff if that ff is towards the end of the race the first team will go for it, but if there is a ff in the first couple legs, then an otherwise doomed team might get a second chance. 

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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2011, 08:59:14 PM »
But it seems as if no matter if there is one Fast Forward on the race, three Fast Forwards on the race, or five Fast Forwards on the race, the team in front is going to go for it anyway.

In the first TARs especially on the first few legs of each race the teams that went for the ff were the ones at the back of the pack, having a way to stay in the race. I still remember in TAR 3 the twin male models, Drew and Derek, went for the ff in the 2nd leg and they went all the way to fourth place at the end, otherwise they would have been eliminated.
I agree that even if there are more ff if that ff is towards the end of the race the first team will go for it, but if there is a ff in the first couple legs, then an otherwise doomed team might get a second chance. 

But the thing is that a "doomed" team must be in a position to get to the clue box first. Now no one is going to pass up the chance to possibly stay in front especially if the race allows a team to do a Fast Forward more than once. This season I believe our top three teams reached the clue box first more than any other teams. But as long as The Amazing Race allows for teams to compete for the Fast Forward, a middle of the pack/back of the pack team that may be uncharacteristically in the top a leg, can still have a shot.
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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2011, 11:56:42 AM »
But it seems as if no matter if there is one Fast Forward on the race, three Fast Forwards on the race, or five Fast Forwards on the race, the team in front is going to go for it anyway. More Fast Forwards really doesn't change anything but giving another team a chance to get a Fast Forward. But at the same time, since there is no cap, a team that got a previous Fast Forward can be first to the clue box on another leg to try for another Fast Forward. But if you decide to not use the Fast Forward hoping you'll be around and get eliminated that leg for whatever reason, where is the strategy in that? No one knows what any leg is going to bring or the previous leg, so I think as long as you're there and in a position to compete for it, you should always go for the Fast Forward.

Also there is nothing that says you can't compete against another team for the Fast Forward, especially depending on the task. If the second team is relatively close behind the first team then they can go hoping that the first team gets lost on the way, can't go through with the Fast Forward, or end the end lose to them.

As I said, I think part of the team strategy has to come down to what they're willing to do to keep a lead. Kat threw her 22 year old practice out of the window so the team could keep their lead. She could have said forget it and her and Nat would have went to the bridge and still placed seeing as how they were in the front of the pack. Brook and Claire got to the bridge only dropping two places and placed fifth. But Nat and Kat said going in they were going to do everything; that's strategy. I wouldn't have shaved my head and depending on my partner, I probably wouldn't have ate that sheep's head. So even if I were in first and I got to the Fast Forward, my teammate and I probably would have been out on that bridge with the rest of them.

"More Fast Forwards really doesn't change anything but giving another team a chance to get a Fast Forward."  Umm, isn't that the whole point?  And there IS a cap, or there used to be at least.  Once a team used the Fast Forward, they could never use it again.  Which is the way it should be if there are multiple Fast Forwards on the race.  And I don't understand what you mean by "not going for it, hoping you'll be around to use it later but you get eliminated instead?"  Umm, how is that not strategy?  You decide if you want to risk going for it then, not knowing if another team took it, or not going for it and possibly saving it for later.  If no one took the Fast Forward and you got eliminated, well tough luck.  I know it's not a perfect way to use the Fast Forward, but it's definitely better than "Oh hey, you got here first.  Go take the Fast Forward."  And the last thing is a matter of opinion.  If I were on the race, and I got to the Fast Forward clue near the front of the pack (and I knew there were a few more Fast Forwards on down the line, and that I could only use it once), I'd probably choose not to go for it and possibly save it for later, when I may need it.  But if it I was near the back of the pack, I might choose to go for it.  Of course, if I got there first and I knew it was the only one in the race, I'd go for it without hesitation.

Absolutely, and I kinda wish teams competed for the Fast Forward more.  Who can forget Nancy/Emily and Joe/Bill competing for the Fast Forward in season 1?  As well as the Gaghans waiting to see if the Paolos would chicken out on the FF in season 8.

And I really don't see what you're arguing about here?  I certainly never claimed that part of the strategy wasn't to decide what you're willing to do to keep a lead.  Heck, you even used the Fast Forward as an example, and of course it is part of that too.  Some teams may get to the clue first and choose to go for it just to possibly expand their lead.  And backtracking to when you said "no one knows what each leg will bring."  Exactly.  Some legs could be like when Jill and Thomas had that huge lead in Bangladesh, only to completely lose it the very next leg when flying to Hong Kong.  Or they could be like leg 5, where there are no equalizers and Katie/Rachel had very little hope of climbing out of last place.  So, a team could use the Fast Forward, and completely lose their lead in the next leg, or they can use it and be sitting pretty for two or three legs.  This is ALL part of the strategy.
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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2011, 12:40:03 PM »
I believe the only time a team was allowed to try for the FF a second time was after they did one Intersected, but you historians will know better than me...

I find the some people love and some people hate the FF discussion very interesting....

I LOVED it when there was one every leg...I HATE it now there is just one. :lol:

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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2011, 04:31:39 PM »
I believe the only time a team was allowed to try for the FF a second time was after they did one Intersected, but you historians will know better than me...

Yes. It was in Season 11, when Oswald & Danny did the Fast Forward twice.  :<3

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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2011, 09:16:16 AM »
I believe the only time a team was allowed to try for the FF a second time was after they did one Intersected, but you historians will know better than me...

Yes. It was in Season 11, when Oswald & Danny did the Fast Forward twice.  :<3

Correct me if I'm wrong but Mary & David in season 10 also had the possibility of doing a second FF. They did one in Abu Dhabi and there was a second at the Intesection in Madagascar. Of course they were not the first to reach it but still they were allowed by the rules to go for it.


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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2011, 09:23:33 AM »

Correct me if I'm wrong but Mary & David in season 10 also had the possibility of doing a second FF. They did one in Abu Dhabi and there was a second at the Intesection in Madagascar. Of course they were not the first to reach it but still they were allowed by the rules to go for it.

TAR 10 did'nt visit Abu Dhabi. I believe you're referring to Kuwait.  :tup:

Yes, I do agree with you on David & Mary. In fact, Mary asked Lyn & Karlyn: "Fast Forward, girls? I say we do Fast Forward."
But in the end, I guess they figured Tyler & James and Rob & Kimberly had already went for it, so they decided to pass it.

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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2011, 07:11:02 AM »

Correct me if I'm wrong but Mary & David in season 10 also had the possibility of doing a second FF. They did one in Abu Dhabi and there was a second at the Intesection in Madagascar. Of course they were not the first to reach it but still they were allowed by the rules to go for it.

TAR 10 did'nt visit Abu Dhabi. I believe you're referring to Kuwait.  :tup:

Yes, I do agree with you on David & Mary. In fact, Mary asked Lyn & Karlyn: "Fast Forward, girls? I say we do Fast Forward."
But in the end, I guess they figured Tyler & James and Rob & Kimberly had already went for it, so they decided to pass it.
You are right of course. It was Kuwait. I knew it was one of the countries in the Persian Gulf but I didn't remember which one.

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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2011, 07:57:58 AM »
i wish theyd go back to 1 fast forward per leg. it makes the game way more strategic this way than the one random fast forward that will get picked up by the team that is first anyway

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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2011, 03:44:41 PM »
I totally get what you are saying, and the argument a lot of people are making for more Fast Forwards. I may be the only person who feels like this but, my main point is as long as the competition aspect to win the Fast Forward is there, there should not be so many Fast Forwards on the race. I don't want to think teams are "giving" Fast Forwards to the first team instead of trying to compete for them because they are in second or third place. I think that two on the race is good. If there is a cap, if there isn't a cap, go for the Fast Forward when you're there if you're willing to do whatever the Fast Forward entails, and if the teams right behind you want it bad enough, they'll compete for it; which almost happened this season. I also don't want to see people passing them up in hopes of getting another opportunity later on and later on they are not in a position to compete for the Fast Forward or are eliminated before there is another Fast Forward. But I guess strategy is strategy and to each his own.

When you stated that holding out was better than taking the Fast Forward because you're first kind of goes back to the point I was making. Being first doesn't and shouldn't guarantee you winning the Fast Forward. Some people are not willing to go the distance on a Fast Forward. Some people won't give up a 22 year eating practice, some people won't face their fear of heights, some people won't shave their heads. So if you get to the location and change your mind, or can't finish, now you have put yourself possibly further behind, depending on location, and you have allowed the next team, if there is another one there, to win the Fast Forward. Or if you read the clue and decide to skip it just based off your TAR knowledge then you just have to continue on. You don't know what the that leg or next leg is going to bring but you want to at least make it to the next leg. A Fast Forward only guarantees you first that leg and that's all it should guarantee you. What happens in the next leg is whatever happens in the next leg. You don't have to have a Fast Forward to keep a lead or lose one. The main concern is getting to the next leg.

With teams constantly passing Fast Forwards over early on for later opportunities, I can understand why production would reduce Fast Forwards to only one. I don't know if the teams know ahead of time there is only one Fast Forward on the race. So if they decide to bring back more, the teams might not have this knowledge ahead of time. But once again it's not going to matter unless a team that is usually at the back like Nick and Vicki, is somehow in the front and they have an opportunity to compete for the Fast Forward. This is why I said more Fast Forwards don't really change anything but allow for more teams to get the Fast Forward, mostly the team in front. This season most of the time the first teams at the first clue boxes or first clue were Jill and Thomas, Brook and Claire, and Nat and Kat. The fact that Nat and Kat went for the Fast Forward with Brook and Claire attempting to challenge them for it and with Thomas' competitive nature, I doubt any of these teams would have passed up the opportunity to take a Fast Forward even if they knew there were more on the race unless it was something they weren't willing to do. Heck if there were three Fast Forwards this season, chances are slim that one of these teams wouldn't have had first crack at the Fast Forward. I don't think the teams in front are taking those risks of passing over Fast Forwards anymore. And if no other team is willing to compete with them or go in hopes of something happening with the first team, then nothing is changing.
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Re: What do you think about the Fast Forward?
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2011, 04:32:43 PM »
I believe the only time a team was allowed to try for the FF a second time was after they did one Intersected, but you historians will know better than me...

Yes. It was in Season 11, when Oswald & Danny did the Fast Forward twice.  :<3

Correct me if I'm wrong but Mary & David in season 10 also had the possibility of doing a second FF. They did one in Abu Dhabi and there was a second at the Intesection in Madagascar. Of course they were not the first to reach it but still they were allowed by the rules to go for it.
Intersected Fast Forwards don't count towards the cap
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