Topic: If they were to do Heroes vs. Villains for The Amazing Race?

[Chameleon777]

Heroes
-Kevin & Drew (Season 1, All Stars)
-Rob & Brennan (Season 1)
-Peggy & Claire (Season 2)
-Oswald & Danny (Season 2, All Stars)
-Ken & Gerard (Season 3)
-Teri & Ian (Season 3, All Stars)
-Jon & Al (Season 4)
-Charla & Mirna (Season 5, All Stars)
-Lynn & Alex (Season 7)
-Meredith & Gretchen (Season 7)
-Uchenna & Joyce (Season 7, All Stars)
-Fran & Barry (Season 9)
-BJ & Tyler (Season 9)
-David & Mary (Season 10, All Stars)
-Ronald & Christina (Season 12)
-Toni & Dallas (Season 13)
-Nick & Starr (Season 13)

Villains
-Joe & Bill (Season 1, All Stars)
-Paul & Amie (Season 1)
-Tara & Alex (Season 2 team)
-Steve & Dave (Season 4)
-Kelly & Jon (Season 4)
-Chip & Kim (Season 5)
-Jonathan & Colin (Season 5/6 team)
-DJ Paolo & Brock Rogers (Season 8 team)
-Lake & Michelle (Season 9)
-Dustin & Kandice (Season 10, All Stars)
-Lyn & Karlyn (Season 10)
-Kynt & Vyxsin (Season 12)
-Ken & Tina (Season 13)
-Margie & Luke (Season 14)
-Megan & Cheyne (Season 15)
-Louie & Michael (Season 16)
-Jet & Cord (Season 16)

There ARE a lot of teams, but maybe they could HAVE all these teams at the starting line and then there could be a starting line challenge that grants access to the rest of the Race to the first 13-15 teams to finish the task.

[Caelestor]

The problem with HvV is that everyone's definition of Hero and Villain is different. In this list, I disagree with MANY of the villain teams.

[Cocoa]

The problem with HvV is that everyone's definition of Hero and Villain is different. In this list, I disagree with MANY of the villain teams.

Yah, for me, Jet and Cord are not villains.

[chill_sd]

For Season 14, I'd definitely have Mark and Michael as villains instead of Margie and Luke.

[TexasLady]

I just can't see Kynt & Vyxsin as villains but I would love to see them race again. I have to agree, a lot on the villains list don't fit. But a superstar race, I'd be all in favor of watching! 

[Dånooky]

When I saw All-Stars I thought Kevin & Drew switched categories with Joe & Bill

[Kiwi Jay]

Kynt and Vyxsin and Meghan and Cheyne and Jet and Cord and Steve and Dave as villains? Come on!

[Jobby]

Impossible.

But i sure as hell see another Allstars race coming in a few seasons. Maybe before TAR 20.

Then we'll have 12 of the greatest team from past 20 seasons who haven't raced for 2 times, that means teams which missed the first all-star and teams after season 12 onwards.

A few teams that i can picture making it are:
Colin and Christie
Margie and Luke
Jet and Cord
Maybe Flo and Zach.. if they decided not to be stupid and split them up.
Maybe Tammy and Victor

for now...

But definitely there will be another Allstars. But they gotta pick really good teams. But not a Heroes VS Villians.

[Jobby]

Or another crazy idea is a fan and favourites race. A fan picking a favourite to go onto the race and see how the dynamics work out!

[Coutzy]

Impossible.

But i sure as hell see another Allstars race coming in a few seasons. Maybe before TAR 20.

Then we'll have 12 of the greatest team from past 20 seasons who haven't raced for 2 times, that means teams which missed the first all-star and teams after season 12 onwards.

A few teams that i can picture making it are:
Colin and Christie
Margie and Luke
Jet and Cord
Maybe Flo and Zach.. if they decided not to be stupid and split them up.
Maybe Tammy and Victor

for now...

But definitely there will be another Allstars. But they gotta pick really good teams. But not a Heroes VS Villians.

I'd be very disappointed if Colin and Christy were not at least asked to race again, given how they only missed out on Allstars due to Christy's pregnancy.

[David]

I agree with the Fan and Favourite!
That would be something like Redwings' RFF TAR Fantasy Game Season 1??

[Jobby]

I'll rather see my all star teams than a fan and a favourite.. this is not Survivor...

An all star again for TAR will be awesome, with probably switchbacks on EVERY SINGLE LEG and FAST FORWARD and YIELD + U-TURNS + INTERSECTIONS + SPEEDBUMPS + 30 MINUTES NEL PENALTY... everything combo race!!

[georgiapeach]

Well.....they haven't called ME!!!

[michael]

Well.....they haven't called ME!!!

Michael and Peach - you're team #1.
You have to do all the bad food road blocks though -- I can't.

[Hooky]

Just one question: Why no season 6 teams? I would think it should at least be represented in this all-star version.

And just having Jonathan isn't enough representation for me.

[Cocoa]

Or another crazy idea is a fan and favourites race. A fan picking a favourite to go onto the race and see how the dynamics work out!

If I'm chosen with a racer, We'll lose because I'm freaking out because I'm with a Racer!

[arun1125]

Just one question: Why no season 6 teams? I would think it should at least be represented in this all-star version.

And just having Jonathan isn't enough representation for me.

Exactly, Johnaton-Victoria, Lori-Bolo, Kris-Jon and Adam-Rebecca a all star worth teams.

[everbloom]

I'm sorry, but I can't see Charla & Mirna, Lynn & Alex, or Peggy & Claire as Heroes. Charla/Mirna were evil (well Mirna was), Lynn/Alex were snide and Peggy/Claire were anything but gutsy.

Also, Jet/Cord aren't villains, and neither are Margie/Luke.

I'd like to see teams that weren't on S11. And I wanna see a team from S6 as well. Bring back Lori/Bolo!!

[Chameleon777]

Seriously, did you forget that Luke was the Blind-U Turn KING in Season 14?! Major, but lovable, villain!

In Season 16, Jet and Cord concealed information about where a bus was departing from, which left teams temporarily stranded in one place while the bus left from another, WITH Jet and Cord on it; pulled over to the side of the road so that other teams wouldn't follow them to El Biloche Viejo, which ultimately did fail, but it was a villainous move....they are categorized as minor villains....

As far as I know, Lori and Bolo are currently divorced...

I'm not sure if Jonathan and Victoria are still together....

[David]

Or another crazy idea is a fan and favourites race. A fan picking a favourite to go onto the race and see how the dynamics work out!

If I'm chosen with a racer, We'll lose because I'm freaking out because I'm with a Racer!

That'd be awesome, because all teams would have a fan freaking out!!!!

[redskevin88]

To be real far, they shouldn't include teams that already appear in all-stars, since they already had a chance... and NO splitting of old teams... (although I admit it would be cool to see Dallas & Starr race together)

[DeafRacer]

Seriously, did you forget that Luke was the Blind-U Turn KING in Season 14?! Major, but lovable, villain!

In Season 16, Jet and Cord concealed information about where a bus was departing from, which left teams temporarily stranded in one place while the bus left from another, WITH Jet and Cord on it; pulled over to the side of the road so that other teams wouldn't follow them to El Biloche Viejo, which ultimately did fail, but it was a villainous move....they are categorized as minor villains....

As far as I know, Lori and Bolo are currently divorced...

I'm not sure if Jonathan and Victoria are still together....

That was a strategic move!!!     There was a looooot of reasons behind this. Other big major reason I did this was to save Mel & Mike. If we haven't used U-Turn then Tammy & Victor would have U-Turned Mel & Mike. 

Then, I screwed Mel & Mike over in Thailand. 

I guess that makes me a villain!! 

[DeafRacer]

P.S. We would be put in Heroes category since my Mom's a Hero.  

[Jobby]

P.S. We would be put in Heroes category since my Mom's a Hero.  

How did you screw Mel and Mike in Thailand? I don't remember.

[Paron]

That was a strategic move!!!     There was a looooot of reasons behind this. Other big major reason I did this was to save Mel & Mike. If we haven't used U-Turn then Tammy & Victor would have U-Turned Mel & Mike. 

Then, I screwed Mel & Mike over in Thailand. 

I guess that makes me a villain!! 

How'd you screw them over in Thailand?

Oh, and did you and Margie tell Mel & Mike you did it to save them?  Wonder why Tammy & Victor would've used it on them?

Anyway, no, I wouldn't them as villains, either.  Mark & Michael (especially Mark)?  Sure.

[Chameleon777]

P.S. We would be put in Heroes category since my Mom's a Hero.  

Luke, you and your Mom are  heroic villains....you are good-natured...everyone loves you...but you are VERY competitive 

[Jobby]

There is nothing wrong with being competitive. Luke's competitive but smart at the same time so the U-TURN was used on Amanda and Kris and look what turned out? Maybe they may not have won, but if i have to choose between Tammy and Victor or Amanda and Kris as huge threats.. my vote goes to Amanda and Kris. Just take a look at Kris's ABS and you'll probably think the team is an extreme huge threat, lol.

And throughout the race, Luke didn't do anything that was very offensive to any other teams. The incident he had with Kisha and Jen.. you cannot blame Luke alone solely because frankly speaking, the girls were pretty rude and b***chy throughout the incident too.. and i'm a Kisha and Jen fan so i'm not being biased here...

And and and, at least Margie and Luke didn't try and sabotage the race like *cough* Mark *cough* and Michael *cough* did.

[Chameleon777]

Did I SAY there was anything wrong with being competitive?

Luke and Margie are one of my FAVORITE competitive teams!

[north09]

P.S. We would be put in Heroes category since my Mom's a Hero.  

I believe the hero would be you

[Jobby]

Did I SAY there was anything wrong with being competitive?

Luke and Margie are one of my FAVORITE competitive teams!

You don't have to capitalize your SAY as if you were shouting, in this forum you read the post, you don't hear it. I just wanted to comment on your post because you said Margie and Luke were heroic villians, which doesn't make sense because villians to me are not a good thing, i believe you will agree with that too.

Hence your comment made it sound like they were competitive in a bad way, hence making them seemed like villians, which is not the case because as you can see, editing by the producers has a big impact on our perception on a particular team.

[Dånooky]

Did I SAY there was anything wrong with being competitive?

Luke and Margie are one of my FAVORITE competitive teams!

You don't have to capitalize your SAY as if you were shouting, in this forum you read the post, you don't hear it. I just wanted to comment on your post because you said Margie and Luke were heroic villians, which doesn't make sense because villians to me are not a good thing, i believe you will agree with that too.

Hence your comment made it sound like they were competitive in a bad way, hence making them seemed like villians, which is not the case because as you can see, editing by the producers has a big impact on our perception on a particular team.

Luke was named the "sinister deaf kid", so at least for a while, they were considered villains. not to mention that they did lie about their intentions to use their U-Turn, unlike Mike & Louie or Carol & Brandy

[DeafRacer]

Did I SAY there was anything wrong with being competitive?

Luke and Margie are one of my FAVORITE competitive teams!

You don't have to capitalize your SAY as if you were shouting, in this forum you read the post, you don't hear it. I just wanted to comment on your post because you said Margie and Luke were heroic villians, which doesn't make sense because villians to me are not a good thing, i believe you will agree with that too.

Hence your comment made it sound like they were competitive in a bad way, hence making them seemed like villians, which is not the case because as you can see, editing by the producers has a big impact on our perception on a particular team.

Luke was named the "sinister deaf kid", so at least for a while, they were considered villains. not to mention that they did lie about their intentions to use their U-Turn, unlike Mike & Louie or Carol & Brandy

Where did you get that from? Everybody knew we U-Turned Amanda and Kris right off the bat. That's why Mike were joking around about calling me a Sinister Deaf Kid and hope we wouldn't U-Turn him next.

[Jobby]

Did I SAY there was anything wrong with being competitive?

Luke and Margie are one of my FAVORITE competitive teams!

You don't have to capitalize your SAY as if you were shouting, in this forum you read the post, you don't hear it. I just wanted to comment on your post because you said Margie and Luke were heroic villians, which doesn't make sense because villians to me are not a good thing, i believe you will agree with that too.

Hence your comment made it sound like they were competitive in a bad way, hence making them seemed like villians, which is not the case because as you can see, editing by the producers has a big impact on our perception on a particular team.

Luke was named the "sinister deaf kid", so at least for a while, they were considered villains. not to mention that they did lie about their intentions to use their U-Turn, unlike Mike & Louie or Carol & Brandy

I didn't had the impression that Luke or Margie ever lied about their intentions to U-TURN Amanda and Kris. Where did you get that from?

[Dånooky]

Did I SAY there was anything wrong with being competitive?

Luke and Margie are one of my FAVORITE competitive teams!

You don't have to capitalize your SAY as if you were shouting, in this forum you read the post, you don't hear it. I just wanted to comment on your post because you said Margie and Luke were heroic villians, which doesn't make sense because villians to me are not a good thing, i believe you will agree with that too.

Hence your comment made it sound like they were competitive in a bad way, hence making them seemed like villians, which is not the case because as you can see, editing by the producers has a big impact on our perception on a particular team.

Luke was named the "sinister deaf kid", so at least for a while, they were considered villains. not to mention that they did lie about their intentions to use their U-Turn, unlike Mike & Louie or Carol & Brandy

Where did you get that from? Everybody knew we U-Turned Amanda and Kris right off the bat. That's why Mike were joking around about calling me a Sinister Deaf Kid and hope we wouldn't U-Turn him next.

Didn't you once say here that while on a Pit Stop you told A&K that you wouldn't U-Turn them?

[DeafRacer]

Did I SAY there was anything wrong with being competitive?

Luke and Margie are one of my FAVORITE competitive teams!

You don't have to capitalize your SAY as if you were shouting, in this forum you read the post, you don't hear it. I just wanted to comment on your post because you said Margie and Luke were heroic villians, which doesn't make sense because villians to me are not a good thing, i believe you will agree with that too.

Hence your comment made it sound like they were competitive in a bad way, hence making them seemed like villians, which is not the case because as you can see, editing by the producers has a big impact on our perception on a particular team.

Luke was named the "sinister deaf kid", so at least for a while, they were considered villains. not to mention that they did lie about their intentions to use their U-Turn, unlike Mike & Louie or Carol & Brandy

Where did you get that from? Everybody knew we U-Turned Amanda and Kris right off the bat. That's why Mike were joking around about calling me a Sinister Deaf Kid and hope we wouldn't U-Turn him next.

Didn't you once say here that while on a Pit Stop you told A&K that you wouldn't U-Turn them?

Nope, I never said that to them. I wanted to get them out soon as possible. Then, Tammy & Victor were next on my list.

[Hooky]

And and and, at least Margie and Luke didn't try and sabotage the race like *cough* Mark *cough* and Michael *cough* did.

I don't think those mistakes were intentional. Why do you believe Mark & Michael were trying to mess things up?

[Hooky]

Didn't you once say here that while on a Pit Stop you told A&K that you wouldn't U-Turn them?

Nope, I never said that to them. I wanted to get them out soon as possible. Then, Tammy & Victor were next on my list.

That was Margie, according to Amanda & Kris.

[Jobby]

And and and, at least Margie and Luke didn't try and sabotage the race like *cough* Mark *cough* and Michael *cough* did.

I don't think those mistakes were intentional. Why do you believe Mark & Michael were trying to mess things up?

There were given a 30 minutes penalty.

It was intentional.. look at the scene where he messed up the tools. Which part of it doesn't look intentional? And TAR Producers wouldn't let Phil give them a 30 minutes penalty for no reason?

[jerseydude]

And and and, at least Margie and Luke didn't try and sabotage the race like *cough* Mark *cough* and Michael *cough* did.

I don't think those mistakes were intentional. Why do you believe Mark & Michael were trying to mess things up?

There were given a 30 minutes penalty.

It was intentional.. look at the scene where he messed up the tools. Which part of it doesn't look intentional? And TAR Producers wouldn't let Phil give them a 30 minutes penalty for no reason?

From what I remember from that Episode. All of the pumps were outside and Micheal and Mark said something like, let's hide the pumps and put them in the box.

[Coutzy]

And and and, at least Margie and Luke didn't try and sabotage the race like *cough* Mark *cough* and Michael *cough* did.

I don't think those mistakes were intentional. Why do you believe Mark & Michael were trying to mess things up?

There were given a 30 minutes penalty.

It was intentional.. look at the scene where he messed up the tools. Which part of it doesn't look intentional? And TAR Producers wouldn't let Phil give them a 30 minutes penalty for no reason?

From what I remember from that Episode. All of the pumps were outside and Micheal and Mark said something like, let's hide the pumps and put them in the box.

There's no question they intentionally hid the pumps. I don't think they knew it was against the rules though.

[Jobby]

I think teams know perfectly well that if they try to sabotage in anyway, they WILL receive a time penalty.

[Hooky]

And and and, at least Margie and Luke didn't try and sabotage the race like *cough* Mark *cough* and Michael *cough* did.

I don't think those mistakes were intentional. Why do you believe Mark & Michael were trying to mess things up?

There were given a 30 minutes penalty.

It was intentional.. look at the scene where he messed up the tools. Which part of it doesn't look intentional? And TAR Producers wouldn't let Phil give them a 30 minutes penalty for no reason?

Oh, sorry, forgot about the pumps. I was referring to the Leg 8 penalties.

I think teams know perfectly well that if they try to sabotage in anyway, they WILL receive a time penalty.

I disagree. We as the audience didn't even know there was a rule against that, so it's not too far-fetched to say that perhaps the racers didn't know, either.

But despite this, I don't think a penalty should have been applied at all. Mark & Michael weren't trying to interfere with the race itself; they were trying to get an advantage against the other teams. To me that's not the same kind of thing as, say, breaking the pumps so that the task cannot be completed. I see a clear difference between the two.

[DeafRacer]

Didn't you once say here that while on a Pit Stop you told A&K that you wouldn't U-Turn them?

Nope, I never said that to them. I wanted to get them out soon as possible. Then, Tammy & Victor were next on my list.

That was Margie, according to Amanda & Kris.

Ah yes. That was Jen and Kisha who twisted it everything up - they said we would U-Turn A&K but we never said that we would U-Turn them directly. Go back to Amanda and Kris' interviews. You'll notice that they backpedaled it up on second half of the day when I sent them an email that we never said then Jen and Kisha admitted that they twisted the words up. Amanda and Kris apologized to us.

[Chameleon777]

A lot of words are twisted up on the Race. I read that book "My Ox is Broken" that book about The Amazing Race and even after reading through it more than once, I love it and it is still one of my favorite shows...

my one regret is that my momma and I will never be part of the AWESOME Amazing Race family...

Anyway, it's interesting to see the DRAMA in every season....

The only thing I dislike is those teams who quit for reasons other than medical....

No offense, but I am speaking of Flight Time/Big Easy and Maria/Tiffany (Marshall and Lance had a MEDICAL reason)

I'd rather DIE than quit, so every time I look back on those episodes, I grieve like somebody died....

[Paron]

Maria & Tiffany weren't going to get that Detour done no matter how hard they tried, a sign as to how badly-planned that leg was.

Flight Time & Big Easy, though, definitely have no excuse.

[jerseydude]

Maria & Tiffany weren't going to get that Detour done no matter how hard they tried, a sign as to how badly-planned that leg was.

Flight Time & Big Easy, though, definitely have no excuse.

I agree. Maria and Tiffany tried their hardest at both detours but couldn't finish and IF i remember correctly, I think they took the 24 hour penalty for the detour but everyone else has checked in so they were eliminated. 

[apskip]

Heroes
-Kevin & Drew (Season 1, All Stars)
-Rob & Brennan (Season 1)
-Peggy & Claire (Season 2)
-Oswald & Danny (Season 2, All Stars)
-Ken & Gerard (Season 3)
-Teri & Ian (Season 3, All Stars)
-Jon & Al (Season 4)
-Charla & Mirna (Season 5, All Stars)
-Lynn & Alex (Season 7)
-Meredith & Gretchen (Season 7)
-Uchenna & Joyce (Season 7, All Stars)
-Fran & Barry (Season 9)
-BJ & Tyler (Season 9)
-David & Mary (Season 10, All Stars)
-Ronald & Christina (Season 12)
-Toni & Dallas (Season 13)
-Nick & Starr (Season 13)

Villains
-Joe & Bill (Season 1, All Stars)
-Paul & Amie (Season 1)
-Tara & Alex (Season 2 team)
-Steve & Dave (Season 4)
-Kelly & Jon (Season 4)
-Chip & Kim (Season 5)
-Jonathan & Colin (Season 5/6 team)
-DJ Paolo & Brock Rogers (Season 8 team)
-Lake & Michelle (Season 9)
-Dustin & Kandice (Season 10, All Stars)
-Lyn & Karlyn (Season 10)
-Kynt & Vyxsin (Season 12)
-Ken & Tina (Season 13)
-Margie & Luke (Season 14)
-Megan & Cheyne (Season 15)
-Louie & Michael (Season 16)
-Jet & Cord (Season 16)

There ARE a lot of teams, but maybe they could HAVE all these teams at the starting line and then there could be a starting line challenge that grants access to the rest of the Race to the first 13-15 teams to finish the task.

My thinking is radically different from Chameleon777's thinking on who qualifies as a villain.

Joe and Bill- quintessential villains in AR1
Paul and Amie - no way
Tara and Alex - this of course is a derived team splitting them off from Chris and Wil; I saw no villainy in Tara, but maybe a bit in Alex; however, no derived teams should be allowed in this analysis
Steve and Dave - no way
Kelly and Jon - they were not villains from my perspective; however, where are Chip and Reichen who definitely were? they should be on this list
Chip and Kim - they do not deserve this. Kim's purported nastiness was in reality just failing to pass on to direct competitors information that she and Chip had about the weather's impact on flights the next morning; it was never really  "Kim time"; they just got lucky by finishing the Banff/Calgary leg so far back that it enabled them to get the fog impact and book the correct flights; in spite of that Colin/Christie very nearly overcame their additional disadvantages from the checking their package restricting their actual flight options and their tire blowout in the DFW area; I rate Chip/Kim as pathetic second raters who were lucky enough to win $1,000,000.

Colin and Jonathan - combination teams are not allowed in my view
DJ and Brock - get real!
Lake and Michelle - what did they do to deserve this?
Dustin and Kandice - they did play a sharp-edged game, but it is impossible to conceive of them in a villain role
everything else on your list for seasons 12, 13, 14 15 and 16 - I totally disagree.

So, the question is who really were villains that deserve special mention? My answers to that are:

1. Jonathan and Victoria - she was innocent except she says married to that nasty person
2. Joe and Bill in AR1 (but not AR11) - their despicable act at the Tunis airport trying to block Emily and Nancy puts them forever on the list of infamy
3. Chip and Reichen - they were nasty and I thought they played over the edge
4. Lyn/Karlyn - one of them (I can't remember which) was usually really nasty and negative

I will add one comment about the Heroes list, which I don't care much about. There is no way David and Mary should be on it. What did they ever accomplish except poor finishes in virtually every leg they ever competed in except the Kuwait City Fast Forward where they were given major help to finish first?

[Hooky]

4. Lyn/Karlyn - one of them (I can't remember which) was usually really nasty and negative

Karlyn. They bugged me, too. Definitely could work as villains.

[Jobby]

4. Lyn/Karlyn - one of them (I can't remember which) was usually really nasty and negative

Karlyn. They bugged me, too. Definitely could work as villains.

That's because Dustin and Kandice were the villians in TAR 10 and Allstars.

[TrueNorth]

Here are my choices:

Heroes:
Oswald & Danny
BJ & Tyler
Eric & Jeremy
TK & Rachel
Meghan & Cheyne
Jet & Cord

Villains:
Charla & Mirna
Johnathan & Victoria
Rob & Amber
Ronald & Cristina
Lance & Keri
Joe & Heidi

[apskip]

Previous references in this thread nominate Luke/Margie, Charla/Mirna, Colin/Christie and Rob/Amber as villains. It's probably impossible to agree on a common definition for what constitutes villain behavior, but I can tell you that i do not believe that being ultra competitive, which all of those 4 teams were, is sufficient to cast a team as a villain. I regard none of those 4 teams as villains. To me, it takes an extra dimension of nastiness, which all of the teams Jonathan/Victoria, Chip/Reichen, Lyn/Karlyn and Joe/Bill in AR1 each demonstrated.

[walkingpneumonia]

Its pretty difficult if not impossible to separate the heroes from the villains in TAR. Its sort of like trying to figure out who the villains are in an Olympic marathon. I think you have favourites and underdogs - but not villains and heroes.

If anything the heroes are the racers and the villains are the TAR detectives that try to spoil the race.
Which could make an interesting series maybe.
People racing around the globe while others try to catch them and spoil their adventure? If one of the detectives photographs you, you are eliminated from the race! Maybe it could be called "Catch Me"?
Ooops - that name is taken, isn't it Bert?

[georgiapeach]

If anything the heroes are the racers and the villains are the TAR detectives that try to spoil the race   are the people who try to stop the TAR Detectives from spoiling the race.
Which could make an interesting series maybe.

FIXED.



CATCH ME

[Jobby]

What's CATCH ME??

[georgiapeach]

Click the link, Joab!

[Dånooky]

If we define hero as a person that acts completely in a selfless way, the only Heroes team would be Erwin and Godwin since they actively sacrificed their chances of staying in the race by helping the teams in their alliance.

[redskevin88]

Heroes and Villains are subjective....

[thespicdatum]

Instead of HvsV, I'd like to see Phil Keoghan and Jeff Probst switch positions in hosting their shows.


That would be amazing.

Jeff saying: "You're the last team to arrive"

and

Phil: "The tribe has spoken"


lol

[Mandoli]

Phil: "The tribe has spoken"

Followed up by the eyebrow raise.

[banredbeans]

Editing is what makes a hero or villain.   If fellow racers or production got to vote you would see a different outcome.  Some of the racers I have met who were villians are so nice(Jonathan, Ray, Steve) and others who came off as being heroes are complete villians.

[Competitor]

Editing is what makes a hero or villain.   If fellow racers or production got to vote you would see a different outcome.  Some of the racers I have met who were villians are so nice(Jonathan, Ray, Steve) and others who came off as being heroes are complete villians.

I agree. From all indications, Terrence from season 13 got a horrible edit. Many people that post here and have met him say that he is a wonderful guy. Nonetheless, they can't put words in your mouth. Things are said sometimes and they really come back to haunt racers. That's part of reality tv.

[georgiapeach]

Editing is what makes a hero or villain.   If fellow racers or production got to vote you would see a different outcome.  Some of the racers I have met who were villians are so nice(Jonathan, Ray, Steve) and others who came off as being heroes are complete villians.

Thanks Tammy!! Amen to that racer wisdom.

Editing hasn't seemed quite as blatant the last few seasons though...I seem to have heard fewer edits of words inserted into sentences...or heard OF less examples of something that was said in innocence being used totally out of context and thus sounding much worse.... Or maybe the racers are just giving them the needed soundbites without resorting to "funky" edits 

Editing can definitely make or break a team though....

[Paron]

Editing is what makes a hero or villain.   If fellow racers or production got to vote you would see a different outcome.  Some of the racers I have met who were villians are so nice(Jonathan, Ray, Steve) and others who came off as being heroes are complete villians.

A little bit of TARCon 9 slipping into this?

[banredbeans]

Paron I wasn't even thinking about Fran and Barry as villians.  They were just total snobs.

[Hooky]

Paron I wasn't even thinking about Fran and Barry as villians.  They were just total snobs.

Huh? What happened with them at TARcon?

[Paron]

Paron I wasn't even thinking about Fran and Barry as villians.  They were just total snobs.

Huh? What happened with them at TARcon?

Carissa wanted to have her picture taken with them, but they refused (allegedly to the point of bringing her to tears).  Ruined all of the good feelings she'd felt for them.

[Cocoa]

Paron I wasn't even thinking about Fran and Barry as villians.  They were just total snobs.

Huh? What happened with them at TARcon?

Carissa wanted to have her picture taken with them, but they refused (allegedly to the point of bringing her to tears).  Ruined all of the good feelings she'd felt for them.

[banredbeans]

Billy tried to shake Barry's hand and he turned away.  I tried to make conversation to them about how I live in CT and they used to live near me and she totally brushed me off saying they live in Colorado and walked away.  I don't care if they never watched the show and had no clue we are on it but to refuse a kid a hand shake or picture when you are at a function with fans is not nice.  Carissa was very hurt because she really liked them on the race.
The rest of season 9 couldn't have been nicer.

[Snooky]

Billy tried to shake Barry's hand and he turned away.  I tried to make conversation to them about how I live in CT and they used to live near me and she totally brushed me off saying they live in Colorado and walked away.  I don't care if they never watched the show and had no clue we are on it but to refuse a kid a hand shake or picture when you are at a function with fans is not nice.  Carissa was very hurt because she really liked them on the race.
The rest of season 9 couldn't have been nicer.

That's too bad Tammy, they were one of my favorites too till I heard this.

[GreeneTeam]

We'll take Heroes or Villians as a moniker....just give us another shot!!! . Keep up the great work with the Fan Forum!!!  XOXOXO

[georgiapeach]

Gaghan's and Greene's, I'd vote for that!!

[Dånooky]

Gaghan's and Greene's, I'd vote for that!!

Maybe in a distant future Billy and Carissa will come back in All-Stars 5 or something lol

[AmazingDT]

Gaghan's and Greene's, I'd vote for that!!

Maybe in a distant future Billy and Carissa will come back in All-Stars 5 or something lol

That would be so cool!

[mswood]

The thing about a concept like "Heroes vrs Villains" is that at some point almost every team does something that might be considered under handed.  From trying to get another's cab, to blocking or cutting in line, to lying, to breaking your word, to misleading other teams, to trying to enlist locals to hamper other teams (surprisingly this has actually happened), ect

But so much of what we see is very subjective and can be enhanced by editing.

Then we are put in the position of do we think a team is a villain do to their attitude or should we limit it to just their actions. 

Take Rob & Amber, Rob's actions as a racer (like bribing a driver to let them out first and not release the other sections door was a crappy move and one several racers agreed with including Uchenna & Joyce as was taking another teams cab), but personally his attitude towards the other racers made him a villain in my book, more then his racing.  Just as Lynn & Alex (from the same season) humor, often went to a fairly negative place.

For others it might be more how they treat each other or how teams treat locals that might put them in some people's lists for Villain. 

And of course all of these things are subjective.

Take Charla & Mirna and Ron & Christina.  Both have large groups that love or hate them.  While I loved seeing Charla (and Mirna) have to overcome the disadvantage that Charla's height puts on their team, I found how they interacted with each other, with some locals and with other racers to often be utterly vile. 

Ron & Christina have fans that loved to see Ron change in how he treated his daughter over the course of the season (which I did as well), but the fact that in the episodes, and in the clips we see him in 8 out of 11 episodes) be mean or rude to either his daughter, locals, fellow racers and even race personnel utterly appalling.  But many completely disagree with me.

[Coutzy]

Ron & Christina have fans that loved to see Ron change in how he treated his daughter over the course of the season (which I did as well), but the fact that in the episodes, and in the clips we see him in 8 out of 11 episodes) be mean or rude to either his daughter, locals, fellow racers and even race personnel utterly appalling.  But many completely disagree with me.

My source of dislike comes from the single pharse, seemingly uttered whenever things got slightly difficult "Daddy..." to which, Ron would naturally reply "Hernia, hernia, hernia, hernia" (repeat ad naseum)

[Hooky]

Ron & Christina have fans that loved to see Ron change in how he treated his daughter over the course of the season (which I did as well), but the fact that in the episodes, and in the clips we see him in 8 out of 11 episodes) be mean or rude to either his daughter, locals, fellow racers and even race personnel utterly appalling.  But many completely disagree with me.

My source of dislike comes from the single pharse, seemingly uttered whenever things got slightly difficult "Daddy..." to which, Ron would naturally reply "Hernia, hernia, hernia, hernia" (repeat ad naseum)