Author Topic: Questions and Discussion thread for TAR stats (Read 23184 times)

puddin · « **on:** December 02, 2009, 12:13:40 PM »

By request

chill_sd · « **Reply #1 on:** December 02, 2009, 12:25:26 PM »

I'll kick this off. I have been watching TAR since Season 1 and have recently re-watched Seasons 1 through 9, but my memory for details is not close to that of some of the experts here at RFF. So I know someone will be able to answer.

Has any other team besides BJ and Tyler (the Hippies) survived two NELs and gone on to win the race?

ImANewUser · « **Reply #2 on:** December 02, 2009, 12:42:33 PM »

Chris & Alex
Flo & Zach

=D

Uchenna & Joyce, Eric & Danielle and TK & Rachel also survived one NEL & then won.

I have departure times from Seasons 1 to 5.

theschnauzers · « **Reply #3 on:** December 02, 2009, 12:49:00 PM »

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Chris & Alex
Flo & Zach

I agree after checking my notes. One caveat, though, in most of the early seasons with 13 legs (1-4, 7, and 9), the 12th leg always involved a NEL and only three teams.

River · « **Reply #4 on:** December 03, 2009, 06:35:18 PM »

On the first post can we have a summary of TAR stats? I remember wikipedia had one of these, and it was useful...
Hope to add some in the near future...

ImANewUser · « **Reply #5 on:** December 04, 2009, 09:42:12 AM »

Here's a question: What is the farthest a nth place team got? (Ex. The farthest a 1st place team - and 2nd/3rd place too - is Leg 13, while a 4th place team made it to Leg 12.)

theschnauzers · « **Reply #6 on:** December 04, 2009, 09:58:31 AM »

I do have a way for you to determine that information as part of my ranking of all teams by average leg placement, which I am planning to post over here after the 15th's finale airs this weekend. That list also lets you see who had the best (or worse) first place or last place performance (after the first elimination).

Hooky · « **Reply #7 on:** December 04, 2009, 10:50:07 PM »

Quote from: theschnauzers on December 04, 2009, 09:58:31 AM

I do have a way for you to determine that information as part of my ranking of all teams by average leg placement, which I am planning to post over here after the 15th's finale airs this weekend. That list also lets you see who had the best (or worse) first place or last place performance (after the first elimination).

Oh, yes, please do post that! I remember when Wikipedia had a list of top average placings (before they got super-strict about everything). If I recall, either Eric & Jeremy or Colin & Christie were on top of the board.

Zack. · « **Reply #8 on:** December 04, 2009, 11:42:14 PM »

Quote from: Raymond on December 04, 2009, 09:42:12 AM

Here's a question: What is the farthest a nth place team got? (Ex. The farthest a 1st place team - and 2nd/3rd place too - is Leg 13, while a 4th place team made it to Leg 12.)

Counting TBCs as one continuous leg:

12th: Leg 1, obv.
11th: Leg 2 (Tramel/Talicia, Amanda/Chris, Garrett/Jessica)
10th: Leg 3 (Dennis/Andrew, Russell/Cindy, Marcy/Ron)
9th: Leg 4 (Heather/Eve, Steve/Josh, Zev/Justin)
8th: Leg 5 (Michael/Kathy, Steve/Dave, Don/Mary Jean, Lance/Keri)
7th: Leg 6 (Aaron/Arianne, Monica/Sheree, Marshall/Lance, Gus/Hera, Ray/Deana, Peter/Sarah, Teri/Ian, Christie/Jodi, Mika/Canaan)
6th: Leg 8 (Jonathan/Victoria, David/Mary, Joe/Bill)
5th: Leg 10 (John Vito/Jill, Kami/Karli)
4th: Leg 12 (Linda/Karen, Oswald/Danny)
3rd-1st: Leg 13, obv.

theschnauzers · « **Reply #9 on:** December 05, 2009, 11:15:29 AM »

That listing is a little bit deceiving as the number of teams (11 or 12) and the number of legs (11, 12, or 12) don't vary in the same way over the different cycles of the Race. Then there's the TBC (or uberlegs). As I said, I'll have a long list to post, ranking all of the teams from 1 through 15 by average placement. You will be surprised by which team has the best 4th place finish, or the worst 1st place finish, and which teams finished better than the worse-performing final three team.

For the record, Eric/Jeremy have the best placement average in the history of TAR (1.75). Meghan and Cheyne cannot best that performance no matter how they finish the final leg of 15. And this is what make E/J's second place finish such a shock. Those two really did dominate their season.

Jobby · « **Reply #10 on:** December 05, 2009, 01:18:22 PM »

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5th: Leg 10 (John Vito/Jill, Kami/Karli)

Yea i do agree that the fact that the 2 eliminations placed at the final 5 helped these 2 teams go really far.

Teams that won 3 legs in a row:
TAR 5: Colin and Christie
TAR 9: BJ and Tyler
TAR Allstars: Rob and Amber
TAR 13: Nick and Starr
TAR 15: Meghan and Cheyne

apskip · « **Reply #11 on:** December 05, 2009, 03:34:54 PM »

Quote from: theschnauzers on December 05, 2009, 11:15:29 AM

For the record, Eric/Jeremy have the best placement average in the history of TAR (1.75). Meghan and Cheyne cannot best that performance no matter how they finish the final leg of 15. And this is what make E/J's second place finish such a shock. Those two really did dominate their season.

And I will point out that Eric/Jeremy were great when it was not vital to be, but they finished behind BJ/Tyler in each of the final 3 legs of AR9. So, which is those teams is really the superior one?

apskip · « **Reply #12 on:** December 05, 2009, 03:42:55 PM »

It should be pointed out that Nick and Starr won 4 consecutive legs (5 through

in AR13. No other team has done that in the history of the Amazing Race.

DrRox · « **Reply #13 on:** December 05, 2009, 06:31:48 PM »

IF Meghan and Cheyne win TAR15.......they will end with 4 in a row.

theschnauzers · « **Reply #14 on:** December 05, 2009, 09:55:30 PM »

Quote from: apskip on December 05, 2009, 03:34:54 PM

Quote from: theschnauzers on December 05, 2009, 11:15:29 AM

For the record, Eric/Jeremy have the best placement average in the history of TAR (1.75). Meghan and Cheyne cannot best that performance no matter how they finish the final leg of 15. And this is what make E/J's second place finish such a shock. Those two really did dominate their season.

And I will point out that Eric/Jeremy were great when it was not vital to be, but they finished behind BJ/Tyler in each of the final 3 legs of AR9. So, which is those teams is really the superior one?

apskip, I'm using a strictly objective measurement (average placement per leg), and you're using a subjective element that involves opinion and not a verifiable number. In other words, you are mixing apples and oranges.

BJ/Tyler weren't the only winners whose objective standing was lower than the second-place team. Take a look at some of the other seasons.

Zack. · « **Reply #15 on:** December 05, 2009, 10:28:40 PM »

Quote from: apskip on December 05, 2009, 03:34:54 PM

Quote from: theschnauzers on December 05, 2009, 11:15:29 AM

For the record, Eric/Jeremy have the best placement average in the history of TAR (1.75). Meghan and Cheyne cannot best that performance no matter how they finish the final leg of 15. And this is what make E/J's second place finish such a shock. Those two really did dominate their season.

And I will point out that Eric/Jeremy were great when it was not vital to be, but they finished behind BJ/Tyler in each of the final 3 legs of AR9. So, which is those teams is really the superior one?

It's also easier to beat 2 teams than it is to beat 10.

And in TARA 2, Marc and Rovilson won 8 of 12 legs, including 7 in a row (unless you want to count Japan as a separate leg, in which case it would be 8 of 13, including 4 in a row). And much like TAR 9, the winning team had a higher placement average than the (in this case) third-place team.

theschnauzers · « **Reply #16 on:** December 05, 2009, 11:13:07 PM »

I'm not going to comment on the regional editions of TAR because I have not seen them and therefore, I can't say that direct comparisons can be made.

Jobby · « **Reply #17 on:** December 06, 2009, 07:46:41 AM »

Quote from: apskip on December 05, 2009, 03:34:54 PM

Quote from: theschnauzers on December 05, 2009, 11:15:29 AM

For the record, Eric/Jeremy have the best placement average in the history of TAR (1.75). Meghan and Cheyne cannot best that performance no matter how they finish the final leg of 15. And this is what make E/J's second place finish such a shock. Those two really did dominate their season.

And I will point out that Eric/Jeremy were great when it was not vital to be, but they finished behind BJ/Tyler in each of the final 3 legs of AR9. So, which is those teams is really the superior one?

So what about the 2 NELs that BJ and Tyler fell on? Superior indeed...

Hooky · « **Reply #18 on:** December 11, 2009, 06:40:25 PM »

Quote from: Joab on December 06, 2009, 07:46:41 AM

Quote from: apskip on December 05, 2009, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: theschnauzers on December 05, 2009, 11:15:29 AM

For the record, Eric/Jeremy have the best placement average in the history of TAR (1.75). Meghan and Cheyne cannot best that performance no matter how they finish the final leg of 15. And this is what make E/J's second place finish such a shock. Those two really did dominate their season.

And I will point out that Eric/Jeremy were great when it was not vital to be, but they finished behind BJ/Tyler in each of the final 3 legs of AR9. So, which is those teams is really the superior one?

So what about the 2 NELs that BJ and Tyler fell on? Superior indeed...

They were smart enough to know that they would be non-elims! Ha!

ImANewUser · « **Reply #19 on:** December 11, 2009, 08:49:41 PM »

Quote from: Hooky on December 11, 2009, 06:40:25 PM

Quote from: Joab on December 06, 2009, 07:46:41 AM
Quote from: apskip on December 05, 2009, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: theschnauzers on December 05, 2009, 11:15:29 AM

For the record, Eric/Jeremy have the best placement average in the history of TAR (1.75). Meghan and Cheyne cannot best that performance no matter how they finish the final leg of 15. And this is what make E/J's second place finish such a shock. Those two really did dominate their season.

And I will point out that Eric/Jeremy were great when it was not vital to be, but they finished behind BJ/Tyler in each of the final 3 legs of AR9. So, which is those teams is really the superior one?

So what about the 2 NELs that BJ and Tyler fell on? Superior indeed...

They were smart enough to know that they would be non-elims! Ha!

Flo & Zach knowing Leg 9 was a NEL <33333.

Actually, two consecutive F5 NEL seasons always deliver. <33333

slayton · « **Reply #20 on:** December 12, 2009, 11:20:09 PM »

Quote from: Raymond on December 02, 2009, 12:42:33 PM

I have departure times from Seasons 1 to 5.

Do you know if there's a compilation of every departure time in TAR history?

Someone said that they measured how great a team was by the amount of time that they beat the second place teams by, and I had never considered that before.

In TAR14, Tammy & Victor departed leg 3 first at 10:13am and Mel & Mike departed second at 12:01pm. Tammy & Victor departed episode 12 first at 9:15pm and Margie & Luke departed second at 11:24pm. In both cases, Tammy & Victor started the previous legs/episodes in second or worse place and ended up with huge leads without using a fast forward.

The only problem with using departure times are possible production errors, like in leg 8 of TAR14, where they said that Tammy & Victor departed first at 9:27pm and Jaime & Cara departed second at 12:31am.

apskip · « **Reply #21 on:** December 13, 2009, 05:59:52 AM »

Try a combinaton of the book "My Ox is Broken" for races 1 to 9 and the new book "Circumnavigating the Globe: Amazing Race 10 - 14 and Amazing RAce Asia 1 - 3" for the rest. That will get you about 98% of deaparture times, but there is at least one episode that did ont give them.

redskevin88 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 13, 2009, 06:06:33 AM »

Which penalty is harder? Speed Bump, 30-min or the strip your clothes and money off penalty?

PS: By harder, I mean which is more likely to get eliminated on the next leg

ImANewUser · « **Reply #23 on:** December 13, 2009, 06:41:02 AM »

No penalty:
Season 1: 3/4 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
Season 2: 1/4 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
Season 3: 0/3 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
Season 4: 0/3 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
Overall: 4/14 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
no money, begging allowed at Pit Stop:
Season 5: 0/4 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
no money, begging not allowed at Pit Stop:
Season 6: 1/3 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
only clothes/passports, begging not allowed at Pit Stop:
Season 7: 0/3 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
Season 8: 0/3 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
Season 9: 1/3 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
Overall: 1/9 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
30-min penalty:
Season 10: 2/3 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
Season 11: 2/4 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
Overall: 4/7 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
Speed Bump:
Season 12: 1/2 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
Season 13: 0/2 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
Season 14: 2/2 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
Season 15: 1/3 teams in last after being saved the previous leg
Overall: 4/9 teams in last after being saved the previous leg

Basing it on statistics (correct me if I'm wrong

), the 30-minute penalty "eliminated" around 57.1% of the teams that finished last after being saved the previous leg, followed by the Speed Bump (44.4%), no penalty (28.6% -- wow

) & the begging (33.3%, 11.1% & 0% separately, counting all begging penalties as one, 12.5%).

Hooky · « **Reply #24 on:** December 13, 2009, 04:38:43 PM »

Quote from: apskip on December 13, 2009, 05:59:52 AM

Try a combinaton of the book "My Ox is Broken" for races 1 to 9 and the new book "Circumnavigating the Globe: Amazing Race 10 - 14 and Amazing RAce Asia 1 - 3" for the rest. That will get you about 98% of deaparture times, but there is at least one episode that did ont give them.

Yes, Season 13 Episode 10 did not give the departure times (I have no idea why). But that's the only one I can think of.

Dånooky · « **Reply #25 on:** December 13, 2009, 08:29:19 PM »

Quote from: apskip on December 13, 2009, 05:59:52 AM

The new book "Circumnavigating the Globe: Amazing Race 10 - 14 and Amazing RAce Asia 1 - 3"

Just out of curiosity, when did that one come out?

ImANewUser · « **Reply #26 on:** December 14, 2009, 01:10:04 AM »

Quote from: Hooky on December 13, 2009, 04:38:43 PM

Quote from: apskip on December 13, 2009, 05:59:52 AM
Try a combinaton of the book "My Ox is Broken" for races 1 to 9 and the new book "Circumnavigating the Globe: Amazing Race 10 - 14 and Amazing RAce Asia 1 - 3" for the rest. That will get you about 98% of deaparture times, but there is at least one episode that did ont give them.

Yes, Season 13 Episode 10 did not give the departure times (I have no idea why). But that's the only one I can think of.

Season 1, Guidos's Leg 13 departure time (just said 'around 24 hrs later'), Season 14, Leg 5 departure times from T/V onwards. I'm sure there are others.

apskip · « **Reply #27 on:** December 14, 2009, 09:22:30 AM »

Quote from: Dån (cdfe88) on December 13, 2009, 08:29:19 PM

Quote from: apskip on December 13, 2009, 05:59:52 AM
The new book "Circumnavigating the Globe: Amazing Race 10 - 14 and Amazing RAce Asia 1 - 3"
Just out of curiosity, when did that one come out?

I've seen it on Amazon.com for a few weeks, so it's probably available elsewhere as well.

Hooky · « **Reply #28 on:** December 14, 2009, 12:58:15 PM »

Quote from: Raymond on December 14, 2009, 01:10:04 AM

Quote from: Hooky on December 13, 2009, 04:38:43 PM
Quote from: apskip on December 13, 2009, 05:59:52 AM
Try a combinaton of the book "My Ox is Broken" for races 1 to 9 and the new book "Circumnavigating the Globe: Amazing Race 10 - 14 and Amazing RAce Asia 1 - 3" for the rest. That will get you about 98% of deaparture times, but there is at least one episode that did ont give them.

Yes, Season 13 Episode 10 did not give the departure times (I have no idea why). But that's the only one I can think of.

Season 1, Guidos's Leg 13 departure time (just said 'around 24 hrs later'), Season 14, Leg 5 departure times from T/V onwards. I'm sure there are others.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about that lame TAR 14 one that wasn't necessary.

slayton · « **Reply #29 on:** December 22, 2009, 06:07:55 PM »

Does anyone have a listing of the total amount of miles/km that teams had to self-drive in each season?

Hooky · « **Reply #30 on:** January 01, 2010, 08:18:38 PM »

Also on that new book: It needs a better editor. "Artistic Impressions or Cookie Convection?" Just plain wrong on some of the facts.

Glamazon Racer · « **Reply #31 on:** January 02, 2010, 05:37:41 PM »

Quote from: Hooky on January 01, 2010, 08:18:38 PM

Also on that new book: It needs a better editor. "Artistic Impressions or Cookie Convection?" Just plain wrong on some of the facts.

Is that really what it says?

That is ridiculous, and I'm planning to buy that next week.

Dånooky · « **Reply #32 on:** January 03, 2010, 01:53:40 AM »

Quote from: Hooky on January 01, 2010, 08:18:38 PM

Also on that new book: It needs a better editor. "Artistic Impressions or Cookie Convection?" Just plain wrong on some of the facts.

wth!

Snooky · « **Reply #33 on:** January 03, 2010, 05:14:05 PM »

Quote from: racer on January 02, 2010, 05:37:41 PM

Quote from: Hooky on January 01, 2010, 08:18:38 PM
Also on that new book: It needs a better editor. "Artistic Impressions or Cookie Convection?" Just plain wrong on some of the facts.
Is that really what it says? That is ridiculous, and I'm planning to buy that next week.

There are too many errors to even mention!

Hooky · « **Reply #34 on:** January 03, 2010, 07:06:49 PM »

Quote from: racer on January 02, 2010, 05:37:41 PM

Quote from: Hooky on January 01, 2010, 08:18:38 PM
Also on that new book: It needs a better editor. "Artistic Impressions or Cookie Convection?" Just plain wrong on some of the facts.
Is that really what it says? That is ridiculous, and I'm planning to buy that next week.

Yeah, it has a number of inconsistencies as well. And some unfounded claims. It's a good general summary of the race, but sometimes he gets his fact wrong or makes typos. He also has some really strange reasons for some of his ideas.

Aside from the errors (mostly minor), it's a pretty detailed AR encyclopedia (of sorts). But not as entertaining as the first one by Adam-Troy Castro.

I got it for Christmas!

RichInSydney · « **Reply #35 on:** January 06, 2010, 08:34:53 PM »

Okay I have a question (not sure if this has been discussed before):

Is there any relation to the winner of TAR and the order in which that team appears in the intro title credits at the start of the show? Moreover is there any pattern to the order in which they show the teams in the intro in regards to when they get eliminated?

Neobie · « **Reply #36 on:** January 06, 2010, 09:07:28 PM »

Quote from: RichInSydney on January 06, 2010, 08:34:53 PM

Okay I have a question (not sure if this has been discussed before):

Is there any relation to the winner of TAR and the order in which that team appears in the intro title credits at the start of the show? Moreover is there any pattern to the order in which they show the teams in the intro in regards to when they get eliminated?

Not really. In a majority of the seasons the intro credits order is determined by the order in which they walk in to the starting line, at a time before anyone would have any idea how each team would place.

Hooky · « **Reply #37 on:** January 06, 2010, 11:49:07 PM »

Quote from: RichInSydney on January 06, 2010, 08:34:53 PM

Okay I have a question (not sure if this has been discussed before):

Is there any relation to the winner of TAR and the order in which that team appears in the intro title credits at the start of the show? Moreover is there any pattern to the order in which they show the teams in the intro in regards to when they get eliminated?

The order is also not the order of teams by tag numbers, since some people have gotten confused about that before.

But we have seen some interesting things. In Season 12, the winners were the last team, but in Season 13, the first.

Coutzy · « **Reply #38 on:** January 07, 2010, 12:10:03 AM »

Quote from: Hooky on January 06, 2010, 11:49:07 PM

Quote from: RichInSydney on January 06, 2010, 08:34:53 PM
Okay I have a question (not sure if this has been discussed before):

Is there any relation to the winner of TAR and the order in which that team appears in the intro title credits at the start of the show? Moreover is there any pattern to the order in which they show the teams in the intro in regards to when they get eliminated?

The order is also not the order of teams by tag numbers, since some people have gotten confused about that before.

But we have seen some interesting things. In Season 12, the winners were the last team, but in Season 13, the first.

In season 14 the first in the credits were the first eliminated too.

Dånooky · « **Reply #39 on:** January 07, 2010, 01:45:19 AM »

Quote from: Coutzy on January 07, 2010, 12:10:03 AM

Quote from: Hooky on January 06, 2010, 11:49:07 PM
Quote from: RichInSydney on January 06, 2010, 08:34:53 PM
Okay I have a question (not sure if this has been discussed before):

Is there any relation to the winner of TAR and the order in which that team appears in the intro title credits at the start of the show? Moreover is there any pattern to the order in which they show the teams in the intro in regards to when they get eliminated?

The order is also not the order of teams by tag numbers, since some people have gotten confused about that before.

But we have seen some interesting things. In Season 12, the winners were the last team, but in Season 13, the first.

In season 14 the first in the credits were the first eliminated too.

I think I'll attribute those coincidences to luck

Hooky · « **Reply #40 on:** January 07, 2010, 12:29:06 PM »

Quote from: Dån (cdfe88) on January 07, 2010, 01:45:19 AM

Quote from: Coutzy on January 07, 2010, 12:10:03 AM
Quote from: Hooky on January 06, 2010, 11:49:07 PM
Quote from: RichInSydney on January 06, 2010, 08:34:53 PM
Okay I have a question (not sure if this has been discussed before):

Is there any relation to the winner of TAR and the order in which that team appears in the intro title credits at the start of the show? Moreover is there any pattern to the order in which they show the teams in the intro in regards to when they get eliminated?

The order is also not the order of teams by tag numbers, since some people have gotten confused about that before.

But we have seen some interesting things. In Season 12, the winners were the last team, but in Season 13, the first.

In season 14 the first in the credits were the first eliminated too.
I think I'll attribute those coincidences to luck

Yeah, but they're still very interesting sometimes.

RichInSydney · « **Reply #41 on:** January 07, 2010, 04:23:24 PM »

Okay, here are the stats for order in which the WINNERS were shown in the intro to that season:

S01: 3 of 11
S02: 6 of 11
S03: 4 of 12
S04: 4 of 12
S05: 4 of 11
S06: 9 of 11
S07: 2 of 11
S08: 2 of 10 (Family)
S09: 3 of 11
S10: 10 of 12
S11: 7 of 11 (All Stars)
S12: 11 of 11
S13: 1 of 11
S14: 4 of 11
S15: 11 of 12

RichInSydney · « **Reply #42 on:** January 07, 2010, 04:26:47 PM »

And the same for the 1st team ELIMINATED:

S01: 9 of 11
S02: 5 of 11
S03: 6 of 12
S04: 10 of 12
S05: 8 of 11
S06: 5 of 11
S07: 5 of 11
S08: 4 of 10 (Family)
S09: 5 of 11
S10: 2 of 12
S11: 10 of 11 (All Stars)
S12: 8 of 11
S13: 4 of 11
S14: 1 of 11
S15: 9 of 12

Dånooky · « **Reply #43 on:** January 08, 2010, 02:48:09 AM »

Quote from: RichInSydney on January 07, 2010, 04:23:24 PM

Okay, here are the stats for order in which the WINNERS were shown in the intro to that season:

S01: 3 of 11
S02: 6 of 11
S03: 4 of 12
S04: 4 of 12
S05: 4 of 11
S06: 9 of 11
S07: 2 of 11
S08: 2 of 10 (Family)
S09: 3 of 11
S10: 10 of 12
S11: 7 of 11 (All Stars)
S12: 11 of 11
S13: 1 of 11
S14: 4 of 11
S15: 11 of 12

OMG!

The 5th, 8th an 12th teams have never won! :swine

</sarcasm>

So, does the intro order match the order in which they arrive at the start line?

Coutzy · « **Reply #44 on:** January 08, 2010, 03:01:34 AM »

Quote from: Dån (cdfe88) on January 08, 2010, 02:48:09 AM

Quote from: RichInSydney on January 07, 2010, 04:23:24 PM
Okay, here are the stats for order in which the WINNERS were shown in the intro to that season:

S01: 3 of 11
S02: 6 of 11
S03: 4 of 12
S04: 4 of 12
S05: 4 of 11
S06: 9 of 11
S07: 2 of 11
S08: 2 of 10 (Family)
S09: 3 of 11
S10: 10 of 12
S11: 7 of 11 (All Stars)
S12: 11 of 11
S13: 1 of 11
S14: 4 of 11
S15: 11 of 12
OMG!

The 5th, 8th an 12th teams have never won! :swine

</sarcasm>

So, does the intro order match the order in which they arrive at the start line?

It usually does, except I think in earlier seasons.

4th in the intro seems to be either really good, or really bad for teams also.

ImANewUser · « **Reply #45 on:** January 09, 2010, 12:57:56 AM »

TARs 1, 4, 5, 7, 11 & 15 did not match the order at the start line. TARs 2, 3, 6 & 10 did. TARs 12 & 14 didn't match as well I think.

Dånooky · « **Reply #46 on:** January 09, 2010, 02:17:00 AM »

Maybe they're arranged to be in sync with the music, like Ann & Dianne in TARA

Hooky · « **Reply #47 on:** January 09, 2010, 10:51:07 AM »

Quote from: Raymond on January 09, 2010, 12:57:56 AM

TARs 1, 4, 5, 7, 11 & 15 did not match the order at the start line. TARs 2, 3, 6 & 10 did. TARs 12 & 14 didn't match as well I think.

13 also wasn't in order.

RichInSydney · « **Reply #48 on:** January 09, 2010, 04:16:51 PM »

Quote from: Hooky on January 09, 2010, 10:51:07 AM

Quote from: Raymond on January 09, 2010, 12:57:56 AM
TARs 1, 4, 5, 7, 11 & 15 did not match the order at the start line. TARs 2, 3, 6 & 10 did. TARs 12 & 14 didn't match as well I think.

13 also wasn't in order.

Its the "multiple choice" factor. Most answers are B or C... What I mean is that if the editors knew the result while they were making the intro, then they might position the winning team somewhere in the middle and tend not to put them first or last. A lot of winners come from the first 6, but it still seems a bit random to me.

redskevin88 · « **Reply #49 on:** January 10, 2010, 02:07:41 AM »

One thing to note

Have you noticed that in most cases, since Season 12, the winners of the Amazing Race tended to finish in the top three (for example, TK and Rachel finished third, Nick and Starr and Meghan and Shane finished first, and Tammy and Victor finished second)

While in Amazing Race Asia, the winners usually struggle, Adrian and Colin and Sam and Vince finished seventh place, while only Zabrina and Joe Jer finished in the top three i.e third.

ImANewUser · « **Reply #50 on:** January 10, 2010, 02:22:06 AM »

^^Winners often do well in Leg 1.

Rob & Brennan - 1st
Flo & Zach - 2nd
Freddy & Kendra - 4th
BJ & Tyler - 2nd
Tyler & James - 1st
Eric & Danielle - 4th
TK & Rachel - 3rd
Nick & Starr - 1st
Tammy & Victor - 2nd
Meghan & Cheyne - 1st
Joe Jer & Zabrina - 3rd
Patricia & Sane - 3rd
Matias & Tamara - 1st

Notice how later seasons seem to become MORE & MORE predictable.

Glamazon Racer · « **Reply #51 on:** January 10, 2010, 06:51:05 AM »

Quote from: Raymond on January 10, 2010, 02:22:06 AM

Notice how later seasons seem to become MORE & MORE predictable.

Yeah, that is strange.

However, Eric & Danielle finished 4th on Leg 1 (right?), and you had written 1st.

ImANewUser · « **Reply #52 on:** January 10, 2010, 06:54:18 AM »

Quote from: racer on January 10, 2010, 06:51:05 AM

However, Eric & Danielle finished 4th on Leg 1 (right?), and you had written 1st.

I meant 4th. Thanks.

redskevin88 · « **Reply #53 on:** January 10, 2010, 07:08:03 PM »

And how no B/G team won AR Asia... It was G/G, B/B and B/B all the way...

slayton · « **Reply #54 on:** March 26, 2010, 08:38:15 PM »

I don't know if anyone has already done this, but I compiled this three months ago.

I think the stats are interesting.

Ages from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Amazing_Race_(U.S._TV_series)_contestants

Combined ages of all TAR winners from oldest combined age to youngest combined age:.

TAR5 -- Chip & Kim, 46 and 44, COMBINED AGE = 90
TAR7 -- Uchenna & Joyce, 40 and 44, COMBINED AGE = 84
TAR4 -- Reichen & Chip, 28 and 36, COMBINED AGE = 64
TAR14 -- Tammy & Victor, 26 and 35, COMBINED AGE = 61
TAR6 -- Freddy & Kendra, 34 and 25, COMBINED AGE = 59
TAR1 -- Rob & Brennan, 27 and 29, COMBINED AGE = 56
TAR10 -- Tyler & James, 29 and 27 , COMBINED AGE = 56

TAR9 -- BJ & Tyler, 26 and 25, COMBINED AGE = 51
TAR11 -- Eric & Danielle, 28 and 23, COMBINED AGE = 51
TAR2 -- Chris & Alex, 25 and 24, COMBINED AGE = 49
TAR3 -- Flo & Zach, 23 and 23, COMBINED AGE = 46
TAR15 -- Meghan & Cheyne, 23 and 23, COMBINED AGE = 46
TAR12 -- TK & Rachel, 22 and 23, COMBINED AGE = 45
TAR13 -- Nick & Starr, 22 and 21, COMBINED AGE = 43

TAR8 -- Linz family, 24 22 21 19, COMBINED AGE = 86

-- TAR1-TAR7 have 5 of the 7 oldest winning teams in TAR history.

-- TAR12-TAR15 have 3 of the 4 youngest winning teams in TAR history.

-- Ten of the winning teams in TAR1-TAR15 have all team members in their twenties or younger.

-- Every winning team in TAR1-TAR15 has either all members in their twenties or younger, all members in their forties, or one member in their twenties and one in their thirties.

-- Out of the six remaining teams in TAR16, there are 2 teams of twenty-year-olds, 2 teams of forty-year-olds, 1 team with a twenty-year-old and a thirty-year-old, and 1 team with a fifty-year-old and a twenty-year-old.

Caelestor · « **Reply #55 on:** March 26, 2010, 09:39:31 PM »

Of interesting note is that the winners have mostly been co-ed. Occasionally, an M/M/ team wins, but that's only about 35% (?) of the time.

mswood · « **Reply #56 on:** March 26, 2010, 10:28:06 PM »

Quote from: apskip on December 05, 2009, 03:34:54 PM

Quote from: theschnauzers on December 05, 2009, 11:15:29 AM

For the record, Eric/Jeremy have the best placement average in the history of TAR (1.75). Meghan and Cheyne cannot best that performance no matter how they finish the final leg of 15. And this is what make E/J's second place finish such a shock. Those two really did dominate their season.

And I will point out that Eric/Jeremy were great when it was not vital to be, but they finished behind BJ/Tyler in each of the final 3 legs of AR9. So, which is those teams is really the superior one?

Well that depends apskip, it's like saying Chip & Kim ran a better leg since they finished the last three better then Colin & Christie. The difference being that in the Case of Eric & Jeremy in comparison with BJ & Tyler actually ran (when eliminating bunching) stronger legs in the last two legs, and the first of those three BJ & Tyler won only due to a Fast Forward that Eric & Jeremy were not able to take.

So really while one team officially won those three legs did they truly run stronger legs?

It's like saying Louie & Michael ran stronger leg (episode 5) this season when they placed in first. But when you factor in arrival and departure times, they actually performed the worse out of any team that wasn't eliminated in that episode.

mswood · « **Reply #57 on:** March 26, 2010, 10:47:14 PM »

Quote from: slayton on December 12, 2009, 11:20:09 PM

Quote from: Raymond on December 02, 2009, 12:42:33 PM
I have departure times from Seasons 1 to 5.

Do you know if there's a compilation of every departure time in TAR history?

Someone said that they measured how great a team was by the amount of time that they beat the second place teams by, and I had never considered that before.

In TAR14, Tammy & Victor departed leg 3 first at 10:13am and Mel & Mike departed second at 12:01pm. Tammy & Victor departed episode 12 first at 9:15pm and Margie & Luke departed second at 11:24pm. In both cases, Tammy & Victor started the previous legs/episodes in second or worse place and ended up with huge leads without using a fast forward.

The only problem with using departure times are possible production errors, like in leg 8 of TAR14, where they said that Tammy & Victor departed first at 9:27pm and Jaime & Cara departed second at 12:31am.

Actually this is often the factor I use in determining who is actually a good or great team, but I don't run off just start to end time (because it often doesn't reflect how a team really did things to multiple bunching points).

One also needs to factor in transportation, Hours of Operations, ect.

For example in a leg that features no bunching at all (there have been I believe 7 or 8 of them now, it doesn't happen often) you can compare based on completion time versus departure time.

But then you have most episode where you truly can't judge this.

Take All Stars episode #3. Teams have to leave the Pit Stop go back into town (15 mile drive) go to airport and arrange flights. Well we known that on that aspect of the leg Dustin & Kandice (and also Teri & Ian who were following them) drove for over an hour and a half just getting back to town. But since teams were equalized at the airport this didn't effect them checking into the Pit Stop. So you would need to factor that in. And obviously you don't get specific times for aspects of the race like that (unless teams make a large error, thus why that one got mentioned). I had tried making a list for this (and done so for seasons 9-11), but it will never be 100% accurate as not all times are shown for early portions of legs.

slayton · « **Reply #58 on:** March 27, 2010, 06:41:07 PM »

I enjoy statistical minutiae, so here are 6 commonalities, at the time of the race, with the two forty-year-old winning teams:

Both teams are co-ed.
Both teams are married.
Both teams are African-American.
Both teams started the race with a completely bald/shaven-headed male teammate.
Both teams had one teammate with previous acting credits.
Both teams had a female teammate at age 44.

If you're a team of forty-year-olds on the race, you're facing a sextuple whammy if you don't have these traits. " border="0

apskip · « **Reply #59 on:** March 27, 2010, 08:55:53 PM »

slayton,

Nice analysis but you missed their most important connection:

They were both the beneficiary of incredible luck in beating a stronger team on the last leg, Colin/Christie in AR5 and Rob/Amber in AR7, respectively.

slayton · « **Reply #60 on:** March 27, 2010, 10:49:51 PM »

I disagree about Uchenna & Joyce being lucky.

Chip & Kim got lucky with a better flight because they got to the airport last. This virtually sealed their victory.

I think Uchenna & Joyce had the toughest road to victory out of all the winners. (I don't know about Tyler & James because I still refuse to watch the last 3 TAR10 episodes.)

Uchenna & Joyce's taxi got a flat tire in the penultimate leg, which made them start the final leg with no money.

They had problems convincing people to give them money at the airport in Jamaica. (I think the fact that Uchenna & Joyce were black played a huge factor in this.)

The airline agent, according to Uchenna & Joyce, lied to them about Rob & Amber's flight.

They were second to get a taxi in Miami, and they had to beg people for more money so that they could settle their taxi bill and cross the finish line.

I would agree with the argument that Chip & Kim won because of one specific thing: getting a better flight because of getting to the airport last.

Overall, I think Uchenna & Joyce's luck was a wash. To me, Uchenna & Joyce won because they had ferocious tenacity. They had to fight and battle their way to victory. It was a constant struggle. They were my favorite winners before Tammy & Victor moved them down to second. (Chip & Kim are my third favorite.)

Hooky · « **Reply #61 on:** March 27, 2010, 11:49:51 PM »

Uchenna & Joyce second to Tammy & Victor? Never!

slayton · « **Reply #62 on:** March 29, 2010, 07:05:54 PM »

Seasons where all final 3 teams were never last in any pre-final-3 leg (per wikipedia):

TAR10
TAR14

theschnauzers · « **Reply #63 on:** September 19, 2010, 01:54:51 PM »

Here's the thread that folks use to discuss TAR statstics.

tarflyonthewall · « **Reply #64 on:** October 11, 2010, 12:01:36 AM »

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Seasons where all final 3 teams were never last in any pre-final-3 leg (per wikipedia):

* TAR10

Technically, that's wrong. Lyn and Karlyn were last in Madagascar, but were saved only by David and Mary's MFE elimination.

News:

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