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Title: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 03, 2006, 05:10:52 PM
March 21, 2006: It's not over until the Phil Sings
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Post by: claude_24hrs on March 04, 2006, 05:41:55 AM
I think the episode maybe in Greece.
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 04, 2006, 10:53:53 AM
This has N E L painted all over it!! Or a double leg

Moscow to Rome?
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Post by: banzai on March 04, 2006, 10:58:45 AM
is it time for a food challenge? Hmm! what should they eat?
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Post by: Mister RC on March 04, 2006, 11:41:06 AM
I'm pretty much just wondering who says this.  My guesses are Eric or Jeremy for now.

This does look like an early NEL.  I guess this means that it's highly likely that there will be four teams left in the two-hour finale (90% chance at least).  But I also can't imagine this being another Philimination right now.  A double-leg would be a nice alternative, but I don't think TPTB would have a TBC this early (or before the first NEL), unless you meant a two-hour episode.
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Post by: never0102 on March 04, 2006, 11:48:48 AM
I think Fran and Barry said something like this in the first episode, so my guess thats its them saying this.
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Post by: puddin on March 04, 2006, 04:05:38 PM
I think Fran and Barry said something like this in the first episode, so my guess thats its them saying this.

I recall something too never , I'll rewatch the show later  ???
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Post by: Pedaler on March 04, 2006, 05:26:05 PM
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I think Fran and Barry said something like this in the first episode, so my guess thats its them saying this.

You're correct.  One of them said in a cab," It's not over until the fat lady sings."

For you youngsters, Dick Motta made that phrase famous in the late 1970's.  He was the head coach of the Washington Bullets basketball team.  During the playoffs one year, he would say that"the opera isn't over until the fat lady sings" everytime time his team was in a tight spot.  They ended up winning the NBA championship that year.

IIRC some sportswriter really came up with the saying, but Dick made it famous.



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Post by: never0102 on March 04, 2006, 05:37:06 PM
yea so i think Fran and Barry will say this quote becuase a few times before [i know Adam and Rebecca did it twice] that they said something earlier in the season that came back later.  With AR it was about sunglasses[i was a web clue not the eppy title thought] and the tell my mom i love her.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 08, 2006, 12:19:08 AM
EP2 Eric & Jeremy looking for Phil at the Pitstop " Where’s the damn Phil at?"
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Post by: supsandalee on March 13, 2006, 01:20:55 PM
EP2 Eric & Jeremy looking for Phil at the Pitstop " Where’s the damn Phil at?"

Agreed, I think he uses the term "the Phil" throughout the race and it became noticeable. I think if Fran and Berry say it they would leave out the "the".
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Post by: puddin on March 13, 2006, 01:33:05 PM
EP 3 title I am in Russia playing with THE dolls , makes me think this is E&J also Sups . Two titles in a row isn't unheard of , think Meredith & Gretchen , they had at least 6 titles .
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Post by: Kogs on March 13, 2006, 01:37:29 PM
linda and karen had back to back titles in tar5

"if your going to whine just shut up"
"if there screwing a helmet to my head it cant be good"
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Post by: puddin on March 14, 2006, 01:33:14 PM
TV Guide Hardcopy March 20-26

We Got a Gnome , lol !!

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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Kogs on March 14, 2006, 01:34:32 PM
sweet, i  :hearts: the gnome
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Post by: puddin on March 14, 2006, 01:40:29 PM
I wonder if thats Germany ?  :jumpy:

Text from tv-guide ( maybe a spoiler ?! )
Amazing Race  CBS , 10/9c
Another leg another chance to drop a couple cluttering the pack .
The Race is back in top form ,and this incarnation has the casting just right .
Early favorites have to be the hippies and the nerds while the player to hate ..well, lets just say we'd like to throw him in a Lake !
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Post by: Jeffrey Scott on March 14, 2006, 01:46:28 PM
LOL, Hmmm, I wonder who it is to hate.
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Post by: puddin on March 14, 2006, 01:50:12 PM
I wonder if this means Lake & The Nerds make it past Leg 3 ? or if this is the writers personal views ? Also the writer made it sound like its not a NEL Another leg another chance to drop a couple cluttering the pack .
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Kogs on March 14, 2006, 01:52:01 PM
we will find out shortly if its NEL or not. when TES updates for next week
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Post by: puddin on March 14, 2006, 01:59:52 PM
yeah all it says is news or something for next week .
this week however ( 3/14)
See you tomorrow on the show, when actress Salma Hayek will be here to discuss her new film “Ask the Dust,” and we’ll meet the latest team cast off from "The Amazing Race." And don't forget to enter our "The Amazing Race" sweepstakes at CBSNews.com.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: supsandalee on March 14, 2006, 02:22:23 PM
I wonder if thats Germany ?  :jumpy:

Text from tv-guide ( maybe a spoiler ?! )
Amazing Race  CBS , 10/9c
Another leg another chance to drop a couple cluttering the pack .
The Race is back in top form ,and this incarnation has the casting just right .
Early favorites have to be the hippies and the nerds while the player to hate ..well, lets just say we'd like to throw him in a Lake !

It sure looks it!  :jumpy:
So if Lake and Michelle are eliminated tonight would the writer of the TV Guide article know that already?
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Post by: puddin on March 14, 2006, 02:31:05 PM
I wish I knew Sups ! They must get alot of promo pictures and some sort of heads up in advance ? How else could they write their little quips ?
for instance theres details for other realitytv shows , such as  FX's Black & White as well as America's Next Model ?
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Post by: supsandalee on March 14, 2006, 02:55:58 PM
I wish I knew Sups ! They must get alot of promo pictures and some sort of heads up in advance ? How else could they write their little quips ?
for instance theres details for other realitytv shows , such as  FX's Black & White as well as America's Next Model ?


Well that could change things. The writer wouldn't mention them as the team to hate IF they are gone next week, otherwise that would make him look stupid. I may just have to change my picks for tonight. But to who? The D's? ???

P.S. Do you get your TV guide early or is this when they usually come out?
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Post by: puddin on March 14, 2006, 03:09:10 PM
It usually comes on Wendsdays but I've been lucky and it's been coming on Tuesdays Sups ( I actually walk up to the mailbox , keys in hand and chant please please please  :-[ )

( who took away the spellcheck ?  :lol: )
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: supsandalee on March 14, 2006, 03:14:27 PM
It usually comes on Wendsdays but I've been lucky and it's been coming on Tuesdays Sups ( I actually walk up to the mailbox , keys in hand and chant please please please  :-[ )

( who took away the spellcheck ?  :lol: )

I was wondering that earlier too -- Wednesdays. :lol:
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Post by: puddin on March 14, 2006, 03:20:47 PM
Theres just some words I hate spelling Sups  :lol3:

anyway this is from this weeks tvguide March13-19

We can't tell you who's already finished , but this weeks playground is Russia .So heres to hoping that the tasks involve vodka & those furry hats ( no pictures )
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Post by: supsandalee on March 14, 2006, 03:24:14 PM
Theres just some words I hate spelling Sups  :lol3:

anyway this is from this weeks tvguide March13-19

We can't tell you who's already finished , but this weeks playground is Russia .So heres to hoping that the tasks involve vodka & those furry hats ( no pictures )


Can't tell you or won't tell you. I've always hated the difference in those two.
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Post by: puddin on March 14, 2006, 10:12:44 PM
NEXT TIME ON .. THE AMAZING RACE:

Phil voice: Fran/Barry struggle through the Detour ...
Remember "European Vacation"?
It's THAT DANCE!! With the German outfits!

Phil: while Eric&Jeremy have a smashing good time.
E&J smash beer bottles over each other's heads.

Phil: Wanda&Desiree lose patience with each other.
Driving, they appear lost.
Wanda: Dammit, Des!
Des: Don't you 'dammit' me!!

Phil: And teams get the ride of their lives on the Roll of Death.
Dave&Lori passengers in car, on a circular( Chateau's Porche ) test drive track. :jumpy:



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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Kogs on March 14, 2006, 10:13:20 PM
 :woohoo:
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Post by: Kogs on March 14, 2006, 10:17:47 PM
so can we bet on bunching somewhere?  :lol:
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Post by: Chateau d If on March 14, 2006, 10:22:35 PM
Puddin, you had the best explanation for the 4:25 pm start time all along.

Why didn't you pound it into my head.  It all makes sense now!


So do they go to the scary track now?  Weissach (http://www.zeiss.com/C125679B0029303C/EmbedTitelIntern/Inno8e_04_05/$File/Inno_8e_04_05.pdf)

(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6632/index9gz.th.jpg) (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=index9gz.jpg)<< incase we lose it  :js:
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Post by: puddin on March 14, 2006, 10:35:39 PM
cuckoo clock 's are found in the Black Forest !!

(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/489/clearer6qz.th.jpg) (http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clearer6qz.jpg) intro flash thanks to banzai

(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3987/21og.th.jpg) (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=21og.jpg) my Dannys picture of Stuttgart
(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2763/stuttgartschlossplatz3jr2xi.th.jpg) (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stuttgartschlossplatz3jr2xi.jpg)  banzai picture

SlowhatchNew Castle link  (http://"[url=http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Germany/Land_Baden_Wuerttemberg/Stuttgart-15450/Things_To_Do-Stuttgart-Neues_Schloss_New_Castle_and_Schlossplatz-BR-1.html)





Neobies Black Forest

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Post by: Slowhatch on March 14, 2006, 10:39:23 PM
There's a whole bunch of (presumably spun sugar glass) bottles on the table. Maybe they have to keep busting bottles until they find a clue.
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Post by: Kogs on March 14, 2006, 10:55:05 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/EricandJeremy.jpg)
they must get more money
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Post by: puddin on March 14, 2006, 11:02:33 PM
I thought that was Phil at one point but thought it was stupid cause it made no sense  :lol3:


did I say Thank You Chateau  :-* ? THANK YOU !!
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Post by: puddin on March 14, 2006, 11:14:56 PM
My bf thinks its a Mercedes e class (http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5217/200320mercedes20benz20e20class.th.jpg) (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200320mercedes20benz20e20class.jpg)

http://www.thecars.com.au/Mercedes%20E%20Class%20Sedan%20Gallery.htm
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Post by: puddin on March 14, 2006, 11:44:30 PM
some more pictures of Stuttgart/ Weissach

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this is a picture from the intro flash ? maybe ? (http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8291/rff00173rt.th.jpg) (http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rff00173rt.jpg)
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Post by: Boingo on March 14, 2006, 11:55:23 PM
Puddin, you had the best explanation for the 4:25 pm start time all along.

Why didn't you pound it into my head.  It all makes sense now!


So do they go to the scary track now?  Weissach (http://www.zeiss.com/C125679B0029303C/EmbedTitelIntern/Inno8e_04_05/$File/Inno_8e_04_05.pdf)

(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6632/index9gz.th.jpg) (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=index9gz.jpg)<< incase we lose it  :js:

Looks like the beach boys are driving Mercedes cars, so instead of the Porche test track, maybe it's the Mercedes test track behind the plant in Sindelfingen we should be looking at.    :-\
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Post by: Slowhatch on March 15, 2006, 12:27:52 AM
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maybe it's the Mercedes test track behind the plant in Sindelfingen we should be looking at.
I thought about that myself. Here's some pictures of Sindelfingen (also called Untertuerkheim): the official page (http://werk-untertuerkheim.daimlerchrysler.com/dc_ut), a photo from a zeppelin site (http://www.modern-airships.info/images/zeppelin/2002/malmsheim/800/sl0026126.jpg), and a close-up (http://www.euroautotours.com/Photo7.html) of a banked turn. I think Chateau's track is a better match.
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Post by: puddin on March 15, 2006, 12:45:39 AM
Right Chateaus is more woodsey like this ,Swabian Forest (http://www.jugendherberge.de/lvb/bad-wuertt/index_gb.html#Anchor-39677) . (http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5865/jacquietheboys6up.th.jpg) (http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jacquietheboys6up.jpg)
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Post by: Boingo on March 15, 2006, 01:11:10 AM
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maybe it's the Mercedes test track behind the plant in Sindelfingen we should be looking at.
I thought about that myself. Here's some pictures of Sindelfingen (also called Untertuerkheim): the official page (http://werk-untertuerkheim.daimlerchrysler.com/dc_ut), a photo from a zeppelin site (http://www.modern-airships.info/images/zeppelin/2002/malmsheim/800/sl0026126.jpg), and a close-up (http://www.euroautotours.com/Photo7.html) of a banked turn. I think Chateau's track is a better match.

Appearances aside, it makes no sense that they would test a Mercedes on a Porche test track.    :snics:
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Post by: Chateau d If on March 15, 2006, 01:23:18 AM
The Mercedes hood ornament is on the car that appears in the credits as it goes around the track.

So I have doubts because of that.  Had I found the Mercedes test track (I didn't) I would have been plugging that.

So...?

But wherever it is located, it's so steep that the cars go vertical (left above right) as they go around the bend. 
I'm gonna do a v squared over R calculation to find out how fast they are going!
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Post by: puddin on March 15, 2006, 01:36:36 AM
My bf is a car guy and says they test all types of cars there , don't second guess your track Chateau ..it looks right  :jam:


eta:
from this link  (http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/080402.html)  Nordschleife

on the other hand ( sorry in advance if this was arleady mentioned )
Maranello. Weissach. Milford?
Ferrari's and Porsche's factory test tracks are legendary, as much for their layouts as for the cars developed on them. GM hopes to at least partially redress this imbalance with its prosaically named "Milford Road Course" and the vehicles developed on it.


more info  (http://community.forzamotorsport.net/pitpass/carstracks/nurburgring_one.htm?c00=1)
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and one more :

Commercial aspects
Because of its demanding layout, the Nordschleife is used by many auto manufacturers as a proving ground for car prototypes. Some of the most notable corporate "Ring Rats" are BMW, Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, Nissan, and starting in 2002, General Motors. GM's first wave of Nürburgring-honed vehicles includes the Cadillac CTS-V and the sixth-generation Chevrolet Corvette. Nissan's Japanese domestic market supercar, the Skyline GT-R, was tuned at Nürburgring (Skyline GT-R V-spec II Nür) and held the unofficial lap record for road legal cars for some time. The race version entered by Falken Tyres did well in 24 Hours Nürburgring, without a chance to win though, but they were among the Top-10 finishers repeatedly.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurburgring
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Post by: puddin on March 15, 2006, 02:16:19 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9_Promo2/TAR_Promo4/pudrff0025.jpg)


Computers Crash At a Foreign Airport leaving several teams stranded without a flight .

Driving to the Roadblock , one duo follows another team who leads them in the wrong direction .

Teams get to Relieve thieir frustrations from stress of the race by bashing vottles over each others heads .
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Post by: charlierose on March 15, 2006, 09:43:55 AM
Can you imagine the killer fatigue this next episode.  After having waking up early in the morning in Brotas, having gone 2-3 on a Bus to Sao Paulo, having taking a flight to Moscow (dont know how many hours), and now a TBC.  THese poor teams are not going to have any rest in the next day.  And from what we see they are next going to Germany.  Poor souls.

But it is going to be fun to watch, what this killer fatigue does to the teams.   :hearts:
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Post by: Boingo on March 15, 2006, 09:50:16 AM

Found this Stuttgart-o-rama of the Neues Schloß (http://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/stz/page/detail.php/20937)

Requires Quicktime plug-in
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Post by: puddin on March 15, 2006, 10:31:55 AM
 Promo 4 photobucket  (http://photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9_Promo2/TAR_Promo4/?start=all)

** gentlemen start your engines **
dubbed Girl Voice : Lets Rock n Roll
VO: Get behind with the teams of the Amazing Race
** Mercedes **
Jo : lets see how fast you are
VO: and speed around Germanys Worls famous test track
Tyler: Whoa hohoho
VO: and them its really pedal to the medal
female voice over : Go Baby !!
Jeremy driving ? : were getting on the Autobahn ( thanks Gman)
** Wanda driving**
Desiree: were going the wrong way
Wanda : Oh My Gawd
** BJ & Tyler running down a corridor**
VO: and the next DETOUR could drive the teams
** Cuckoo Clock **
Dee laughing
VO: the Amazing Race CBS Tuesday










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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: gingerman28 on March 15, 2006, 10:39:56 AM
I'll try this one again as I was wiped out as Puddin posted :groan:

This is going to be a strange one.  In all previous TBC's (TAR6 - Leg6 Hungary; TAR7 - Leg8 - India; TAR8-Leg10 Montana) the teams have remained in the same country/city/state for part 1 and part 2 of the TBC. But this time it looks like part 2 will start in Moscow and end up in Germany.  So is ep3 leg 3 and ep4 leg4 or is ep4still leg 3?

We have scene of Eric and Jeremy opening clue envelope and counting out money.  In previous TBC's teams did not receive any more money just a clue there was no "for this leg you will have x dollars."  

Do the teams get instructions to fly to Stuttgart now?  If so then Eric and Jeremy and Lake and Michelle will have a huge jump on the others since they could get to Sheremetevo 2 in time to catch the 19.05 Lufthansa flight no. 3187 which would get them to Stuttgart via Frankfurt at 22.50.  TPTB probably would never let this happen, so the teams may be directed to some location at dawn tomorrow and directed first to the National Hotel for some much needed sleep time.  This happened in Budapest when teams were given directions to the Railroad Museum at the Internet Cafe, but were directed to a floating hotel on the Danube for the night.  The National Hotel is within walking distance on the other side of Red Square and is one of the oldest and most famous of Moscow Hotels (And special credit was given the the National Hotel in last night's credits)

It looks like we were dead right when we had the Beach Boys reaching the "pit stop" which turns out not to be a pit stop between 4:25PM and 5:00PM.  I wonder if we will see the scene of them counting their money?  This whole TBC seems very strange.  What happened?  Did they change the ending when they saw how far behind some of the teams were.  It just seems strange to continue instead of having an elimination here and now.

The other teams sure look like they arrive at St. Basil's very much after the Beach Boys as it is now pitch black out while we still could see the background earlier.

I think that TPTB want to BUNCH the teams up again so they may have them all arrive at some task at dawn (8:00AM) and find a clue that will send them off to the airport and flight to Stuttgart. If there is a computer failure it most likely could be at Sheremetevo 2.

Here is one for you Chateau.  When the arrive in Germany we have shot of Mom and Daughter driving on the Autobahn. The sun is low and streaming right in the left hand window.  It looks early morning light to me, but if we knew in what direction they were driving on the Autobahn we woulld know whether is indeed early morning or late afternoon.

And speaking of Mom and Daughter driving it looks like they are lost again and have just missed the turnoff from the Autobahn (they are stopped and looking back).  If they did, they are in deep doo doo since the exits on the Autobahn and few and far between. So they are faced with many more klicks before they can get back to the right turnoff.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Slowhatch on March 15, 2006, 11:02:22 AM
When I tried downloading as a wmv file, I got "server busy" messages. I reconfigured the player for Realmedia and the link below worked OK.
rtsp://real.tvc.cbsig.net:554/g2demand/entertainment/cbs_video/insider/primetime/amazing_race9/promos/race_promo.rm
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 15, 2006, 11:12:31 AM
Slowhatch I use these link for realone

http://www.cbs.com/cbs_video/insider/index.php?cat=3&chap=14443
http://www.cbs.com/cbs_video/insider/video.php?chap=19501


and oops sorry about that Gman  :kuss:
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: banzai on March 15, 2006, 11:13:02 AM
you can download the web promo at http://www.savefile.com/projects/447144
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Slowhatch on March 15, 2006, 11:20:03 AM
Here's a search page for Die Bahn (http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en) if we ever get the start/end points. Not much to go on this week; I guess the arrangement with AOL fell through.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 15, 2006, 11:27:30 AM
Here's a search page for Die Bahn (http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en) if we ever get the start/end points. Not much to go on this week; I guess the arrangement with AOL fell through.

LOL I check 5 times a day Slowhatch ! I think TAR6 AOL started the previews mid-way ? so maybe theres still some hope ?
don't forget we have BJ & the Gnome , that must be the roadblock .

thanks as always banzai  :jumpy:
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Kogs on March 15, 2006, 11:35:16 AM
Here's a search page for Die Bahn (http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en) if we ever get the start/end points. Not much to go on this week; I guess the arrangement with AOL fell through.

LOL I check 5 times a day Slowhatch ! I think TAR6 AOL started the previews mid-way ? so maybe theres still some hope ?
don't forget we have BJ & the Gnome , that must be the roadblock .

thanks as always banzai  :jumpy:

dont think u will see any aol previews this time. sorry puddin.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 15, 2006, 01:28:03 PM
Slowhatch do you have that link to that colored chart with the timetables & roadblocks and stuff ?

tyia
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Slowhatch on March 15, 2006, 02:09:36 PM
It's here (http://homepage.mac.com/yakc/tv/tar9.html).  :js:
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 15, 2006, 02:37:09 PM
Thanks Slowhatch :)
I'm pretty sure the first set of vidcaps are just filler in's of a Nascar raceway fwiw .
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: charlierose on March 15, 2006, 02:56:34 PM
I really think we have two different sets of cars.  The cars they are driving I assume in Germany are definetly Mercedes.

The cars we see in the race track, are different.  I am pretty sure they are not Mercedes, or at least not the same model they are driving.

Just a thought. ???
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: supsandalee on March 15, 2006, 03:02:40 PM
Thanks Slowhatch :)
I'm pretty sure the first set of vidcaps are just filler in's of a Nascar raceway fwiw .

I beleive your right. You can tell for sure when you digitally enhance the shot and get a better picture of the people in the stands:  :lol3:
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 15, 2006, 03:11:44 PM
 :-[ well I'm sorta of a Nascar nut Sups
charlierose you can see the Mercede's emblem

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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: supsandalee on March 15, 2006, 03:24:11 PM
:-[ well I'm sorta of a Nascar nut Sups

Oh I'm not knocking Nascar or their fans. My DH's family are fanatics -- born and raised in Talladega Alabama and were some of the first ones to go around the track. My brother-in-law has his entire living room covered in Nascar collectibles (complete with autograph pictures of Davey Allison and tires from an actual race). You should hear the story on how he got those tires!  :lol:
NASCAR RULES! --- hey, you should look for a race car smiley
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: charlierose on March 15, 2006, 03:25:03 PM
Puddin as always you are right.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 15, 2006, 03:49:05 PM
I'm not always right charlierose  :grins:  Chateau pointed that emblem out first way back when .
Thats right Sup , how could I forget Talladega !!


Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 15, 2006, 04:49:08 PM
I have to run but just spotted a Gnome on a table behind Ray so ........?
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: gingerman28 on March 15, 2006, 04:56:15 PM
Nothing on anything happening Sunday morning in Moscow before flying off to Stuttgart via Frankfurt.

Any dope on from where to where that train is taking people?

This leg has lots of different transport modes: planes, drive you own mercedes, train (only second class seats) and a fast ride around the test track.

Phil has also given us most of the starting order: Beach Boys, Lake and Michelle, and ending up with the Nerds.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Slowhatch on March 15, 2006, 06:09:05 PM
This article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_car_number_plates) tells you more than you would ever want to know about German license plates. There's nothing useful in the caps: a couple of cars are registered in Hannover and at least one in Munich.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 15, 2006, 06:39:17 PM
just looking around , maybe I'll get lucky

the problem is the video promo quality sucks  (:;)

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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 15, 2006, 10:07:46 PM
Several Teams Get Stranding at the Airport Next Week on The Amazing Race  3/16/06

DRIVING TO THE ROADBLOCK IN GERMANY, ONE TEAM FOLLOWS ANOTHER WHO LEADS THEM IN THE WRONG DIRECTION, ON

"THE AMAZING RACE 9," TUESDAY, MARCH 21, 10:00-11:00 PM ET/PT

"It's Not Over Till The Phil Sings" -- Driving to the Roadblock in Germany, one team follows another who leads them in the wrong direction, on THE AMAZING RACE 9, Tuesday, March 21 (10:00-11:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

Computers crash at a foreign airport leaving several teams stranded without a flight and allowing a few lucky teams to surge ahead. Teams drive themselves to the Bavaria Film Studios in Munich, Germany and choose between two detour options. One option allows teams to relieve their frustrations and tensions from the stress of the Race by bashing bottles over each others' heads.


Yippeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :jumpy:
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 15, 2006, 10:16:40 PM
The Bavaria Film Studios south of Munich

For a great day out with your children visit the Bavaria Film Studios, where "Das Boot" was shot as well as many successful German films and TV series. The stunt show with its special effects is exciting entertainment for the whole family, children can have a ride on the dragon "Fuchur" from the "Neverending Story", while parents might be more interested in a walk around in the submarine of "Das Boot". Guided tours take about 90 minutes, and since you'll be walking inside the studios as well as outside, you should bring comfortable shoes and, should the weather demand it, wateproofs. Of course everything is accessible for weelchairs too, and dogs on a leash are welcome as well.

How to get there:
The studios are located south of Munich in Grünwald/Geiselgasteig. You can get there either by public transport or by car.

Public Transport:
Tram line 25 to Grünwald, exit Bavariafilmplatz.
By car:
via Grünwalder Straße to Grünwald/Bad Tölz; in Grünwald-Geiselgasteig a sign "Bavaria Filmstadt" to the left will guide you there.

Opening hours:
1 March - 6 November: 9am - 4pm
7 November - 28 February 10am - 3pm
daily

http://www.muenchen.de/Stadtleben/Entertainment_Culture/Movie_Broadcast/80308/05abavariafilm.html

http://www.filmstadt.de/index.php?id=139
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Chateau d If on March 15, 2006, 10:44:38 PM
Erstaunen Sie   :jumpy:


Sun streaming their left windows is consistent with making the 120 mile drive from Munich to Stuttgard.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 15, 2006, 11:14:45 PM
Nice Chateau & Gman , I was just re-reading Gmans post  :tup:
So is this good news for Mom & Des or bad ?


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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Chateau d If on March 16, 2006, 12:46:37 AM
I don't know.

The driving really could be in any direction.

And what about Die Bahn?  We may be able to find that train station.  Munich?  Stuttgard?  Someplace in between.

This would be a good situation for a tricky team to fly to a German city which has a quick ICE service to the actual destination city.  That way leap frogging over teams stuck in Moscow.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: gingerman28 on March 16, 2006, 09:37:04 AM
The train shown is  Deutsche Bahn (German Railroad System or DB) and is one of their ICE trains or INTER CITY EXPRESS high speed trains.  One line runs from Frankfurt-am-Main to Stuttgart.  Train ride takes just 1:18 and runs about every 30 minutes all day long.  It might be that the teams fly from Moscow to Frankfurt (Lufthansa) and then take the ICE to Stuttgart.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: supsandalee on March 16, 2006, 10:01:51 AM
The train shown is  Deutsche Bahn (German Railroad System or DB) and is one of their ICE trains or INTER CITY EXPRESS high speed trains.  One line runs from Frankfurt-am-Main to Stuttgart.  Train ride takes just 1:18 and runs about every 30 minutes all day long.  It might be that the teams fly from Moscow to Frankfurt (Lufthansa) and then take the ICE to Stuttgart.


That sounds great! Do you know if a particular train runs a specific route or time? The D's are at the No. 2 if that means anything -- or maybe thats just a car number and not a train number.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Hi-Fi on March 16, 2006, 10:08:46 AM
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Computers Crash At a Foreign Airport leaving several teams stranded without a flight .

Driving to the Roadblock , one duo follows another team who leads them in the wrong direction .

Teams get to Relieve thieir frustrations from stress of the race by bashing vottles over each others heads .

1)So which teams leave Russia ahead? Just Eric/Jeremy and Lake/Michelle? I can see BJ/Tyler and Ray/Yolanda flying out with them as well.

2) So maybe Wanda/Desiree are not lost alone. Maybe there are other teams followin them to the wrong way.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: gingerman28 on March 16, 2006, 10:13:22 AM
The number "2" on the window indicates that is a Second Class Coach; a number "1" indicates that it is a First Class Coach. The trains run on a set schedule about 30 minutes apart and it is a non-stop trip between the cities.  The trains are high speed and cruise along at about 125 miles per hour.

Just typical of the wonderful public transport systems available in most countries of Europe and greatly lacking in the US of A.

There are several stations (bahnhof) in Frankfurt.  Going to check and see if there is a connection at Frankurt-am-Main airport.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: libra on March 16, 2006, 10:49:58 AM
There are several stations (bahnhof) in Frankfurt.  Going to check and see if there is a connection at Frankurt-am-Main airport.

I have been to FRA a few times. The station is called 'Frankfurt Flughafen Fernbahnhof', approx. 5 mins walk from the main airport. Use this to search on the Die Bahn site.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: gingerman28 on March 16, 2006, 11:43:46 AM
Thanks for the hint, Libra:

Here are Lufthansa flight schedules to Frankfurt - no direct flights to Stuttgart or Muenchen, so most likely fly to Frankfurt-am-Main and take the DB ICE train from the Frankfurt Flughafen Fernbahnhof to (trains run daily)

STUTTGART
No. 513     LV 8:54     AR 10:08     
No. 579     LV 9:20     AR 10:33
No. 515     LV 10:54   AR 12:08
No. 573     LV 11:20   AR 12:33
No. 517     LV 12:54   AR 14:08
No. 575     LV 14:13   AR 15:31    End of daylight arrivals

MUENCHEN
No. 513     LV 8:54     AR  12:30
No. 721     LV 9:09     AR  12:51
No. 515     LV 10:54   AR  14:28
No. 723     LV 11:09   AR  14:51
No. 517     LV 12:54   AR  16:30   End of daylight arrivals

The Luftfansa flight schedule:  Moscow (SVO) to Frankfurt-am-Main (FRA)

LH 3189     LV 07.00     AR 08.25

LH 3183     LV 13.20     AR 14.45

LH 3183     LV 14.20     AR 15.45

LH 3187 LV 19.05     AR 20.30


There may be other flights that connect SVO with FRA but do not have time now to research.

So my uneducated guess is that teams fly to Frankfurt and then take the ICE train direct from the airport to either Stuttgart or Muenchen.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Chateau d If on March 16, 2006, 01:01:23 PM
It looks like they are waiting to get on the train in daylight.  So the 20:30 arrival would not be the one.

Or they could fly to a different German city.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: libra on March 16, 2006, 01:12:34 PM
SVO-MUC - There are 3 direct flights: 2 on Aeroflot, the one on LH departs SVO 5:20pm and arrives MUC at 6:25pm.

I think teams will fly to FRA, there are only direct flights to FRA and MUC.

Bottles bashing is one detour, what is the other one? Fran/Barry's dance?

What is the roadblock this episode?

Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: supsandalee on March 16, 2006, 01:30:30 PM
The number "2" on the window indicates that is a Second Class Coach; a number "1" indicates that it is a First Class Coach. The trains run on a set schedule about 30 minutes apart and it is a non-stop trip between the cities.  The trains are high speed and cruise along at about 125 miles per hour.

Just typical of the wonderful public transport systems available in most countries of Europe and greatly lacking in the US of A.

There are several stations (bahnhof) in Frankfurt.  Going to check and see if there is a connection at Frankurt-am-Main airport.

GMan, if I ever get to plan that trip to Europe will you be my travel agent?  :present:
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 16, 2006, 02:58:48 PM
You all are great , thanks for all the info and welcome Libra  :welcome:
No signs of a Roadblock *sigh* for sure the detour is ( I'm making this up ) Flog or Clog  :pfight: :Cdance: but where does the Gnome fit in as we see it at the Bavaria Film Studio behind Ray as he dressed for the detour ?

I'm going to put some vidcaps together ( in the works )

Clues  

1)Driving to the Roadblock in Germany, one team follows another who leads them in the wrong direction, on THE AMAZING RACE
2)Computers crash at a foreign airport leaving several teams stranded without a flight and allowing a few lucky teams to surge ahead.
3)Teams drive themselves to the Bavaria Film Studios in Munich, Germany and choose between two detour options.
4)One option allows teams to relieve their frustrations and tensions from the stress of the Race by bashing bottles over each others' heads.




misc stuff

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Maybe Autobahn scenes ? teams driving

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Detour Flog or Clog /Bavaria Film Studio
Teams drive themselves to the Bavaria Film Studios in Munich, Germany and choose between two detour options. One option allows teams to relieve their frustrations and tensions from the stress of the Race by bashing bottles over each others' heads.

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Deutsche Bahn/'Frankfurt Flughafen Fernbahnhof'
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scenes

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Some confessionals from EP3 ( pics from and thanks to tarflies )

E&J 's picture , its lighter out
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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: cinni on March 16, 2006, 03:24:44 PM
i was thinking "smash" or "bash", ie bottle smash (which i would just love to do!) or bash, a party bash or even crash for the dancing. more likely to be tittled after the liederhosen (or however that's spelled) since both seem to involve dressing in the traditional german outfits.

have to use this new smilie... :blol:
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: never0102 on March 16, 2006, 04:13:33 PM

Computers Crash At a Foreign Airport leaving several teams stranded without a flight .
Dont know who this can be.  I really think EJ BT MOJO, and DL all had confessionals in Russia [but it could have been waiting for the flight who knows].  I hope MOJO and Dave and Lori dont get a hours of opperation and move ahead. But i think this might come down to everyone being in line and the teams in front get tickets and it breaks halfway down the line. 

Driving to the Roadblock , one duo follows another team who leads them in the wrong direction .
Wanda and Desiree and maybe Danielle and Dani[just a guess i think both of these teams land on the behind flight]

can we get the times on any of the pictures , i know you were able to do that alot last season.

Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 16, 2006, 04:36:21 PM
Driving to the Roadblock , one duo follows another team who leads them in the wrong direction .
Why does this scream E&J ( the followers ) following L&M ( Lake = the best person to get LOST ) .
Then again we do see M&D going the wrong direction so it could be almost anyone .
Even so it probalby doesn't effect them  .
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Hi-Fi on March 16, 2006, 04:57:09 PM
Driving to the Roadblock , one duo follows another team who leads them in the wrong direction .
Why does this scream E&J ( the followers ) following L&M ( Lake = the best person to get LOST ) .
Then again we do see M&D going the wrong direction so it could be almost anyone .
Even so it probalby doesn't effect them  .

So do you think Wanda/Desiree are safe then, Puddin??

This is screaming Dave/Lori elimination. I don't like it.

People in the last flight must be Double Dee, Wanda/Desiree, Mo-Jo and Dave/Lori.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: libra on March 16, 2006, 04:59:24 PM
Thanks for the welcome. I've been a long time lurker and finally decided to sign up.

Is it possible that the roadblock is in Moscow?

So there will be airport drama, test track (task), roadblock somewhere, detours - seem to be a lot to fit into one episode.  ???

I think we need to determine the order but for now I think it is like this:

1) Teams fly to Frankfurt (early morning flight)

2) Take the train from airport station to Stuttgart hbf

3) Upon arrival, pick up Mercedes car at station and drive to Weissach to do test track

4) Drive to Bavaria Film Studios in Munich for the detours

5) Pitstop - drive to someplace nearby

*Or teams start in Munich and work their way north.

**Don't know where roadblock is. 
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Chateau d If on March 16, 2006, 05:12:05 PM
Puddin, you are gonna love this site:   ICE-Fansite.de - Galerie (http://www.ice-fansite.com/galerie/index.php)

Maybe we should post a message in their forum asking where this is:
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: never0102 on March 16, 2006, 05:19:55 PM
Driving to the Roadblock , one duo follows another team who leads them in the wrong direction .
Why does this scream E&J ( the followers ) following L&M ( Lake = the best person to get LOST ) .
Then again we do see M&D going the wrong direction so it could be almost anyone .
Even so it probalby doesn't effect them  .

So do you think Wanda/Desiree are safe then, Puddin??

This is screaming Dave/Lori elimination. I don't like it.

People in the last flight must be Double Dee, Wanda/Desiree, Mo-Jo and Dave/Lori.

my gutt tells me Fran and Barry will be on it also.

And Bj and Tyler running down the "hallway" i think they are getting onto a plane.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: gingerman28 on March 16, 2006, 05:39:28 PM
I have been checking with my German motor car expert (BH) and she claims that this is the Mercedes Benz test track located in a suburb of Stuttgart - Sindelfingen (her father used to test cars there for Mercedes) and it is particularly noteable for its verticle wall!  The plant itself is located in another suburb: Untertuerkheim.  Cars in Germany are licensed with a letter indicating the city in which the car is registered.  i. e. "M" is for Munich, "S" would be for Stuttgart.  So the cars have been brought from Munich to Stuttgart to run on the test track.  Did the teams drive them there, or did Mercedes just bring them from Munich?

Watching the video of Joseph climbing into the car and as he adjusts his seatbelt you can see his watch.  As clear as I can make it in stop motion it seems to read 11:55  (AM, of course).  Can someone else make it clearer.  If the time is correct and this all happens in one day, it would mean that the teams go to Stuttgart by ICE before going to Munich.

But the sun seems to indicate that the cars are driving on the autobahn from Munich to Stuttgart in afternoon light.

At The Bavarian film studio it sure looks like it is the DETOUR with one task the Bottle Busting Bash until they find the clue? the other task seems to be to learn the Schulplattler the slap the theigh, slap the foot dance typical of Bavaria.

The ROADBLOCK must take place somewhere in Germany since the clue says that a team driving to the Roadblock. I doubt that the teams would pick up cars the next morning in Russia before leaving from the airport.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Hi-Fi on March 16, 2006, 05:48:47 PM
Driving to the Roadblock , one duo follows another team who leads them in the wrong direction .
Why does this scream E&J ( the followers ) following L&M ( Lake = the best person to get LOST ) .
Then again we do see M&D going the wrong direction so it could be almost anyone .
Even so it probalby doesn't effect them  .

So do you think Wanda/Desiree are safe then, Puddin??

This is screaming Dave/Lori elimination. I don't like it.

People in the last flight must be Double Dee, Wanda/Desiree, Mo-Jo and Dave/Lori.

my gutt tells me Fran and Barry will be on it also.

And Bj and Tyler running down the "hallway" i think they are getting onto a plane.

Yeah, I still don't know about Fran/Barry. I'm pretty sure they check with Phil before the teams that are cleaning the buses, but with their lucky, is probably that they'll be in the last flight.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: gingerman28 on March 16, 2006, 05:51:46 PM


GMan, if I ever get to plan that trip to Europe will you be my travel agent?  :present:

If Puddin, doesn't mind, I'll add you to our fantasy trip sometime in the far, distant future.  Love to have the company. By the way, I'll be travelling on the Rhine and Danube rivers in October from Amsterdam to Vienna.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 16, 2006, 05:59:31 PM
Hi-Fi , from Phil's blog
It’s just magic to watch the light change during the afternoon and into the night. In the end the teams ended up coming in very close together. Love that. Being a virtual Pit Stop, I had fun with some of the teams today. Lake & Michelle were extremely excited to hear that they were in second place and then shocked to find out they had to keep going. Fran & Barry have moved up in the order, Dave & Lori have moved to the back of the pack and were extremely relieved to hear they are still in it. Some really emotional arrivals today. They give so much to each leg that the idea of having to maintain the Race mode is really tough for some teams.

Gman , for you  :kuss: , I can't wait to try out that sausage in Vienna .. Sups could come with us but she needs to bring her own man  ;)

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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Hi-Fi on March 16, 2006, 06:03:15 PM
Thanks, puddin!

So I guess that BJ/Tyler are the last to get in the first flight.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 16, 2006, 06:55:17 PM
well if this is the airport they sure look happy

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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 16, 2006, 09:31:29 PM
Why does Jo's picture have Detour all over it ? a better picture of the building




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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 16, 2006, 09:51:33 PM
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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: supsandalee on March 16, 2006, 09:55:59 PM
If Puddin, doesn't mind, I'll add you to our fantasy trip sometime in the far, distant future.  Love to have the company. By the way, I'll be travelling on the Rhine and Danube rivers in October from Amsterdam to Vienna.

I'm already packed! :jumpy:

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Gman , for you   , I can't wait to try out that sausage in Vienna .. Sups could come with us but she needs to bring her own man 

Not a problem my DH loves to travel. Besides, the last time I went on a girlfriends cruise without him I felt so guilty (until I had my first little umbrella drink and then I was fine.) :lol: :martini:
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: gingerman28 on March 16, 2006, 10:32:09 PM
Beer Wine Scotch Vodka but no g.d. umbrella drinks on my boat!! :jam:

Sausage is great but the Wienerschnitzel is even better and the apfelstrudel? out of this world. :-[

 

That certainly looks like an airport jetway that BJ and Tyler are running down.

Could the shots of the ICE train be included to throw us off, and they actually are from Ep 5 say on the way from the pitstop in Stuttgart to the airport in Frankfurt on the way to Italy?  TPTB have done that in the past; they included shots of MO/JO in the promo for Ep2 the one we now see is on the test track in Dingolfingen.  And I think they included a train shot in Stockholm in an ep or two before it actually came up in a previous TAR.  I wouldn't put it past them to be sneaky with us this time around.

If this is the case, the teams might fly to Munich via Frankfurt and then after the tasks at the Bavarian Film Studio have to drive on the autobahn to Stuttgart and the Mercedes test track.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 16, 2006, 11:22:09 PM
 :lol: I like Stoli Gman but Scotch isn't my thing , now apfelstrudel? sounds yummy !
also Sups & Gman you should both know I'm claustophobic  :-[ , I was almost tossed overboard on my one and LAST cruise . ( I blame the bartenders )

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EP4 aftershow preview ( crank up the speaker )
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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: supsandalee on March 17, 2006, 08:11:41 AM
Beer Wine Scotch Vodka but no g.d. umbrella drinks on my boat!! :jam:

No problem - beer is my first choice and DH is a wine enthusiast. :beer2: But if a cute little bartender happens to hand me a pretty little frozen drink whats a gal suppose to do?  :-[
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: cinni on March 17, 2006, 09:37:22 AM
Beer Wine Scotch Vodka but no g.d. umbrella drinks on my boat!! :jam:

Sausage is great but the Wienerschnitzel is even better and the apfelstrudel? out of this world. :-[

*packing bags to hitch a ride along* mmmmmm schnitzel!! my favorite. no umbrellas for me either, straight up please!!

love all this great speculation. have to ponder some of this now...as soon as i can stop thinking about strudel and schnitzel...
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 17, 2006, 10:55:46 AM
My guess on the finish order at St. Basil's Cathedral (based on nothing but gut feelees)

1. Eric and Jeremy

2.  Lake and Michelle (very close behind)

3.  Ray and Yolanda

4.  BJ and Tyler

5.  Fran and Barry

6.  (Tie)Wanda and Deserie

6.  (Tie)  Danielle and Dani

8. Monica and Joseph

9.  David and Lori

The watch now looks more like 12:30.  Another possibility is 5:00 but I think that the sun has set by then on November 13. But will check that out. 

From the angle of the sun it certainly looks like late in the afternoon when the cars are zipping around the test track.

Talking about schnitzel, I'll send Puddin a picture of the world's greatest schnitzel restaurant in Vienna.  And you really have to be hungary to eat it all!
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Post by: puddin on March 17, 2006, 11:13:45 AM
All the ladies want Gmans schnitzel  :snics:

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Post by: goodyingbadyang on March 17, 2006, 11:17:35 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9_Promo2/TAR_Promo4/rff-008.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9_Promo2/TAR_Promo4/rff-009.jpg)

something tells me they get pulled over, they ask the police/whatever where to go and they'll be fine
like someone said, it's probably another red herring to distract us from thinking that its Dave and Lori's time.

(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5856/pudrff00425ri.th.jpg)

looks like Monica to me, not one of the Dees
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Post by: puddin on March 17, 2006, 11:25:45 AM
hmmmmmmm , I think your right never  :tup:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9_Promo2/TAR_Promo4/496cde63.jpg)
(http://photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9Teams/th_puddin1-30-20060014.jpg)
(http://photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9Teams/th_oned6sw.jpg)
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Post by: puddin on March 17, 2006, 12:55:35 PM
maybe this will help

After taking a water taxi to Kiz Kulesi, Uchenna & Joyce and Meredith & Gretchen climbed to the top of the island’s tower to find their next clue. Opening it, they learned they must search the island for one of four Travelocity Roaming Gnomes, each one with a different marking on the bottom. Teams didn’t know that the Team that carried the gnome with the plane marking on the bottom all the way to the Pit Stop would earn a special prize for this leg. After taking a gnome, Teams had to make their way 12 miles to Galata Kulesi Tower. After a successful partnership, with gnomes in hand and a sizable lead, Meredith & Gretchen and Uchenna & Joyce parted ways as each Team got into a taxi heading for the tower.
then detour
followed by the roadblock

After having to surrender their money and belongings, Ron & Kelly received even more good news when Phil told them they had the special Travelocity Gnome that awarded them $20,000 to spend on Travelocity. In addition, they would be spending the Pit Stop in a first-class suite at the Four Seasons Hotel
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race7/show/ep09/race/story/?id=6
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Post by: Boingo on March 17, 2006, 01:15:52 PM
Found Bavaria Film Studios on Google Earth.  It's near Gruenwald, south of Munich.
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 17, 2006, 01:55:55 PM
If they get pulled over by the police on the Autobahn it was probably because they were only driving 90 miles per hour!

Sunrise in Stuttgart on November 13 was at 7:29AM and Sunset was at 4:46PM.  That is making the timing tight if the go to Munich first then drive to Stuttgart and it is still light for the test drive.  Could we be looking at a two-day gig?
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Post by: never0102 on March 17, 2006, 02:02:53 PM
My guess on the finish order at St. Basil's Cathedral (based on nothing but gut feelees)

1. Eric and Jeremy

2.  Lake and Michelle (very close behind)

3.  BJ and Tyler

4.  Ray and Yolanda

5.  Fran and Barry

6.  Monica and Joseph

7.  (Tie)  Danielle and Dani

      Wanda and Desiree

9.  David and Lori

The watch now looks more like 12:30.  Another possibility is 5:00 but I think that the sun has set by then on November 13. But will check that out. 

From the angle of the sun it certainly looks like late in the afternoon when the cars are zipping around the test track.

Talking about schnitzel, I'll send Puddin a picture of the world's greatest schnitzel restaurant in Vienna.  And you really have to be hungary to eat it all!

I think MOJO finishes after the four girls.  Wanda and Des were pretty much done they had already got it checked when MOJO and Nerds just started, and if they tie with the Danielles then both must almost be done.
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Post by: Boingo on March 17, 2006, 02:12:22 PM
Found this map of the Mercedes Technology Center (https://engineering.daimlerchrysler.com/pub/d/anfahrt.htm) in Sindelfingen.  (Also shows the Daimler Chrysler UNTERTÜRKHEIM facility in eastern Stuttgart).

FWIW the Sindelfingen facility has two test tracks.

Edited to add yet another map of both facilities.  This map shows a part of UNTERTÜRKHEIM test track (https://engineering.daimlerchrysler.com/pub/d/lageplaene.htm)
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 17, 2006, 02:26:00 PM
.  Could we be looking at a two-day gig?

Way out theory ???

As I recall in St. Petersburg (TAR5) the teams visited the Hermitage after a train ride from Puskin (lucky them they visited before it was opened to the general public at which time it is hard even to get close enough to see half the paintings,) but I degress Afterwards they headed off to the airport and on to Cairo? There never were any previews or promos featuring this task, so I am thinking that after bunking for the night the teams have some task to perform in Moscow before heading to the airport.  They could search out the famous statue of Peter the Great in the Moscow river; or visit one of the many art galleries such as the Puskin Museum of Fine Arts or Tretyakov Gallery, Kolomenskoe, or the Cathedral of the Assumption, or navigate on the Moscow Subway and find one of the spectacular subway stations.

By doing something first in Moscow that would put them in position to get one of the later Lufthansa or Aeroflot flights to Frankfurt or Munich. Lufthansa has flights to FRA at 1:20PM, 2:20PM na d 7:05PM.  Arriving in FRA at 2:45 they could catch the 3:05 or 3:50 ICE to Munich. This is about a 3 hour and 43 minute ride. There is a direct aeroflot flight to Munich (time was posted above) But with the history of aeroflot safety or lack thereof, TPTB might not want to use this airline.

Just some ideas to ponder over the weekend (besides seeing your office pool picks being kicked to hell by the underdogs!)
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Post by: Slowhatch on March 17, 2006, 02:33:34 PM
Sindelfingen is in the Fuzzylands but there's a map page (https://engineering.daimlerchrysler.com/pub/e/maps.htm) at the Daimler portal Boingo cited where you can see the test track outline. Wherever they go, judging by the photo, it's woods-y and has at least one medium-sized building nearby.
Umbrella drinks are fine with me; just pour them into a doggie canteen and I'll drink it when you get back from your cruise.  :jam:
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 17, 2006, 02:48:17 PM
Pretty sure it must be the Mercedes test track at Sindelfingen and not the Porsche; even TPTB might feel uncomfortable using Mercedes cars (which have been one of the sponsors on many TAR's) on someone elses test facility!

Stuttgart is about 118 miles Northwest of Munich.  That's only a drive of a little over an hour on the Autobahn (for a German driver, that is!)
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Post by: banzai on March 17, 2006, 02:48:37 PM
anyone mention this yet? same clothing?

(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1430/pudrff00020ju.th.jpg) (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00020ju.jpg) (http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/1394/pudrff00453yp.th.jpg) (http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00453yp.jpg) dees
(http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3043/pudrff00188wq.th.jpg) (http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00188wq.jpg) (http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/8416/pudrff00125cc.th.jpg) (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00125cc.jpg) ray
(http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/5824/pudrff00134vw.th.jpg) (http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00134vw.jpg) (http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/1184/pudrff00208ee.th.jpg) (http://img489.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00208ee.jpg) bj
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Post by: puddin on March 17, 2006, 02:48:52 PM
Quote
anyone mention this yet? same clothing?
I did in the spoiler thread but no one seemed to care banzai  :umn:
some pics
(http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/8655/pudrff00602ya.th.jpg) (http://img465.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00602ya.jpg)(http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/2922/pudrff00054pu.th.jpg) (http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00054pu.jpg)
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Post by: Boingo on March 17, 2006, 03:05:22 PM
Just when you thought you've seen enough pictures of MB test tracks, here are a few more.   (:;)

Daimler-Chrysler factory and test track in Untertuerkheim taken from blimp. (http://www.modern-airships.info/images/zeppelin/2002/malmsheim/800/sl0026126.jpg)

And yet another aerial picture of the entire track (below).

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Post by: Boingo on March 17, 2006, 04:16:25 PM
 :umn: Could it possibly be?   ???   

Edited to add: Map of plant shows road curving under building, and blue "X" marks what may be the oval structure under elevated highway. This may be the main entrance into the Unterturkheim factory.
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Post by: puddin on March 17, 2006, 04:47:58 PM
it looks the closest so far Boingo

test track at Untertürkheim (http://www.worldcarfans.com/classics.cfm/classicID/5040823.001/pageview/photo/photo/Mini10/page/1/country/gcf/mercedes/mercedes-benz-c-111-power,-elegance-and-speed)
(http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/284/15nx.th.jpg) (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=15nx.jpg)
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Post by: Chateau d If on March 17, 2006, 06:15:38 PM
Okay!  That seems certain.

Isn't this were the steep bank turn is?
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 17, 2006, 08:58:49 PM
The Dees are also wearing the same clothing and head scarves when we see them driving on the autobahn. So it looks like the train ride, the auto ride and the confessional are all filmed on the same day.

This is getting confusing.  Titles over the person who looks like he has arrived at the main building of MB headquarters in Untertuerkheim indicate DETOUR.  But didn't we establish that the Detour was perhaps at the Barvarian Film Studios in Munich - Flog or Clog?  Two detours? And we have clue that someone gets lost on the way to the Roadblock.  What gives??
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Post by: puddin on March 17, 2006, 10:55:11 PM
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The Dees are also wearing the same clothing and head scarves when we see them driving on the autobahn. So it looks like the train ride, the auto ride and the confessional are all filmed on the same day.
Do you think the background looks like some Bavaria Inn ? That was my first thought and the Dee's dp mention the LAST pitstop .

(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1430/pudrff00020ju.th.jpg) (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00020ju.jpg) Dani:" Danielle and I spent time with Jeremy & Eric at the last pitstop and you know we got to know the boys alot better .
 Danielle:They made our time there alot more fun,, Like  I reallly have to say I enjoyed my time at the pitstop ."


 (http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3043/pudrff00188wq.th.jpg) (http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00188wq.jpg) Yolanda :" when ever I get into water I just sink "

I found this , it looks like the shape of our track but I cant be sure
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3826/stuttgad2dl.jpg)
http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/stuttgad.html
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Post by: Boingo on March 18, 2006, 12:04:36 AM
The bold parts of the silhouet looks exactly like the test track at the Daimler-Chrysler plant at Unterturkheim.  (This may sound crazy, but do you think the extended "lighter" parts of the track (to the right) may be underground, or future extensions?)  I think you can see the smaller loop on the left in the photos of Unterturkheim.

According to Stuttgart subway map, Bad Cannstadt area is near Daimler Stadium (which is next to Unterturkheim plant)
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Post by: puddin on March 18, 2006, 12:13:32 AM
Boingo I'd love to know the dealio as to WHY we can't get any ground level clear shots of this place  :snicker: ? Maybe personal camara's aren't allowed ? pretty weird ..


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Post by: Boingo on March 18, 2006, 12:35:39 AM
Boingo I'd love to know the dealio as to WHY we can't get any ground level clear shots of this place  :snicker: ? Maybe personal camara's aren't allowed ? pretty weird ..




Ya think?  After all this plant has been around for 100 years.  The track must be over 50 years old.  Maybe they don't want BMW to find out any secrets.   Too bad Google Earth doesn't provide high resolution images of Stuttgart, so we can see for ourselves.  :lol:
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Post by: puddin on March 18, 2006, 12:55:53 AM
 :lol: beats the hell out of me Boingo, it has to be the wording that we're not getting right ? Thats it for me tonight  :waves:



(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8539/daimlerchrysler1ev.th.jpg) (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daimlerchrysler1ev.jpg)(http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/4576/pudrff00788eh.th.jpg) (http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00788eh.jpg)(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/968/bauherristdiedaimlerchryslerag.th.jpg) (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bauherristdiedaimlerchryslerag.jpg)(http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/8655/pudrff00602ya.th.jpg) (http://img465.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00602ya.jpg)(http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/2159/pudrff00887oe.th.jpg) (http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00887oe.jpg)




(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/968/bauherristdiedaimlerchryslerag.jpg)


Daimler-Chrysler, Stuttgart
http://www.kvadrat.dk/kvadrat/default.asp?m=3&r=17&l=1
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 18, 2006, 09:51:22 AM
There are several stations (bahnhof) in Frankfurt.  Going to check and see if there is a connection at Frankurt-am-Main airport.

I have been to FRA a few times. The station is called 'Frankfurt Flughafen Fernbahnhof', approx. 5 mins walk from the main airport. Use this to search on the Die Bahn site.

Libra, we need some help.  If you have been to the airport ICE station Frankfurt Flughafen Fernbahnhof do the pictures in frame 45,46,and 47 look like the correct station?  I am sure it is not the Bahnhof in either Stuttgart or Munich since they are enclosed structures.  Of course, it could be some other suburban station.  Also note that the buildings reflected in the coach window as Dani walks by are the same buildings shown in frame 45 as the train approaches.  Also just from the frames it is hard to determine whether she is getting off the train or boarding the train.  If I see the pictures in motion, it would be clearer.

Help us out and you can share our Schnitzel!!

Another notation.  In frame 48 we have Jeremy (gray jacket) driving his Mercedes.  Note that the windshield visor is DOWN and he seems to be driving into the sun. It could be either early morning or late afternoon; I favor the latter.  Any other ideas, Chateau?

As to Puddin's query about camera shots.  These test facilities are as secure as secure can get.  Mercedes (and other companies in Germany) are comstantly developing and testing new models and concept cars that may not see the light of a showroom for years to come.  They would try everything they can to learn other companies secrets and vise versa; that's why no private cameras are allowed on the grounds.
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Post by: puddin on March 18, 2006, 11:02:28 AM
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Help us out and you can share our Schnitzel!!
No one can resist Gman's Schnitzel   :snics:
OK the DB trains are my goal today , Libra if your could help us out then  :jam: ,,now I'm off to Germany !!
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Post by: libra on March 18, 2006, 11:27:50 AM
Libra, we need some help.  If you have been to the airport ICE station Frankfurt Flughafen Fernbahnhof do the pictures in frame 45,46,and 47 look like the correct station?  I am sure it is not the Bahnhof in either Stuttgart or Munich since they are enclosed structures.  Of course, it could be some other suburban station.  Also note that the buildings reflected in the coach window as Dani walks by are the same buildings shown in frame 45 as the train approaches.  Also just from the frames it is hard to determine whether she is getting off the train or boarding the train.  If I see the pictures in motion, it would be clearer.

Help us out and you can share our Schnitzel!!

gingerman28,

Last time I was in FRA was June 2005. The airport station only has a roof, it's not indoors and fully enclosed like the one in Munich. I think the roof only covers part of the platform so those 3 shots of the train arriving/departing could be the airport station. Sorry I don't remember and can't be 100% certain. I tried to google pics of this station but couldn't come up with any.
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Post by: Boingo on March 18, 2006, 11:40:44 AM
OK kids, time for a Daimler-Chrysler Reality Check.  We see a racer running past parked Mercedes at the entrance to the Daimler-Chrysler Unterturkheim plant on the east side of Stuttgart.  There are 3 (as far as we know) MB test tracks in the Stuttgart area.  2 at the MB Sindelfingen plant and one at the Unterturkheim plant.  (Try to say that three time fast).  Given that we don't have any vidcaps of any Sindelfingen buildings (only a possible track), we can probably assume the racers drive the test track at Unterturkheim.  This brings up another possibility, given the CBS spoiler, the racers may follow each other to the wrong MB facility, given they are over 12 miles apart. It's possible. 
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Post by: libra on March 18, 2006, 12:03:38 PM
I looked a bit more, this is a photo of Frankfurt Flughafen Fernbahnhof (I don't have photobucket account): 

http://www.schachbezirk-freiburg.de/usa/0409/slide02.html

This page is not in English but there are 3 photos of this station (around middle of page):

http://www.nicospilt.com/nurnberg2005.htm

The 4th photo with the S9 train is not, the S9 train is a train from the FRA hbf (the main train station).

There are at least 5 tracks. You can see the number "5" next to "F" sign. I was wrong, those caps are probably not from FRA airport station.
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Post by: puddin on March 18, 2006, 12:57:21 PM
just looking , thanks for the help Libra  :jumpy:
Gman it looks to me like the Dees are getting off the ICE as I can see someone getting on
crappy quality vidcaps  (:;)
(http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/80/pudrff00792ok.th.jpg) (http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00792ok.jpg)(http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/8805/pudrff00802cr.th.jpg) (http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00802cr.jpg)(http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/1018/pudrff00819fn.th.jpg) (http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00819fn.jpg)(http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/2440/pudrff00821jf.th.jpg) (http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00821jf.jpg)(http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/6131/pudrff00841yh.th.jpg) (http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00841yh.jpg)(http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/6341/pudrff00846hu.th.jpg) (http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00846hu.jpg)(http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/1366/pudrff00851oq.th.jpg) (http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00851oq.jpg)
(http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/4200/frankfurtstation3te.th.jpg) (http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frankfurtstation3te.jpg) Frankfurt Station << http://www.arch21.org/Galleries/Galleries.html

I know we've been over this but I'm putting it here for my own reference

Focused primarily in Germany, with service to some areas of Switzerland and Austria also available, the ICE connects all the major German cities such as Frankfurt and Hamburg in just under 3.5 hours.

It services over 32 destinations including Hamburg, Munich, Berlin, Frankfurt, Stuttgart and Cologne. With speeds of up to 174 mph and hourly service, travel on the ICE Premier Trains through Germany is a joy. Some trains also go to Switzerland (Zurich and Interlaken) and Austria (Vienna).

Travel Times: 
  Zurich - Stuttgart: 2 hours 47 minutes
 Frankfurt - Hamburg: 3 hours 35 minutes
 Frankfurt - Munich: 3 hours 37 minutes
 Cologne - Berlin: 4 hours 16 minutes
 Vienna - Nuremburg: 5 hours 17 minutes
 Munich - Berlin: 6 hours 50 minutes
http://www.raileurope.com/us/rail/specialty/ice.htm
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Post by: libra on March 18, 2006, 02:25:32 PM
Puddin, you're right. Dees are getting off so this can't be Frankfurt Flughafen Fernbahnhof. It can't be Stuttgart or Munich hbf either. Which station is it?

This leg seems really hard to figure out!
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Post by: puddin on March 18, 2006, 02:38:02 PM
Maybe the Dees were one of the teams stranded at the " Foreign " airport and they opted for a different flight ? Russia to " foreign ( insert flight here " to ??
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 18, 2006, 03:09:39 PM
Chateau - now that people have laid out all kinds of maps etc. of the MB test track in Sindelfingen can you look at vidcap no. 36 (Merc on the test track) and using your patented protractor give us an estimate of what time this shot was made???  It would help us figure out what comes when on this leg.

Will try to find a completed DB schedule for the ICE train from Frankfurt to Munich.  Could be that the Dees got off the train at a suburban station on the outskirts of Munich which might be nearer to the Bavarian Film Studio.  If teams must pick up there mercs here and "drive to the Roadblock" they might get lost hereabouts.
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Post by: puddin on March 18, 2006, 03:41:13 PM
Gman

http://www.raileurope.com/us/rail/specialty/ice.htm?WT.mc_id=Google_train_ice&WT.srch=1


another good site for pictures

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/electric/emu/ICE/ICE-1/pix.html
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Post by: Boingo on March 18, 2006, 05:36:23 PM
Okay!  That seems certain.

Isn't this were the steep bank turn is?
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7895.0;attach=5901;image)

Yep, given the info both puddin and I have matched with the vidcaps, it looks like Daimler-Chrysler Unterturkheim test track is the place.  So that leaves MB Sindlefingen test track(s) OUT.

I did notice that the way the shadows fall on the track, the curve shown in the vidcaps must be pointing north.  Notice that the Unterturkheim loop is pointing north/northwest.  I'd say it's a lock.
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Post by: puddin on March 18, 2006, 05:54:41 PM
At least thats settled !! I'm not giving up on the DB/ICE trains just yet Boingo , I'm just waiting for the long promo to air on Cbs for some sharper images ..there was a pip but nothing new so its not worth posting the vidcaps .

Also I thought this wording from TV guide was interesting ..

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/pudrff0093.jpg)
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Boingo on March 18, 2006, 06:07:19 PM
At least thats settled !! I'm not giving up on the DB/ICE trains just yet Boingo ,

Ha ha ha, I didn't realize we still had any issues left with the ICE train.  Oh yeah, the station has not been identified.    :angel:  Just a thought, does the ICE train have a stop near the Bavarian Film Studio in Gruenwald?   :-\

I'm sure you already know this but here's everything you ever wanted to know about Rail Travel in Germany (http://gettingaroundgermany.home.att.net/bahn.htm)
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 18, 2006, 06:40:51 PM
OK this one is known as the ICE-T
ICE with Tilting Technology (ICE T)

(http://i1.[banned image hosting site].com/rr6ut3.jpg)

some info but its dated

New ICE T Munich to Berlin. (All Aboard!).(train travel)(Statistical Data Included) 

    International Travel News; 10/1/2002; Brunhouse, Jay
 


Search for more information on HighBeam Research for German Rail ICE-T schedule.

(Part one of two)

With tender tilts, ICE. No. 1610 Helene Weigel began to snake through the curves and hilly terrain of Germany's Frankenwald (forest) and it was then that I fully appreciated the advantages of the train's active tilt system and the comforts of its deluxe interior.

My train was one of GermanRail's (DB's) new third-genera ICE (InterCity Express) trains, 'which sport a sleek and stylish new exterior design and boast some of the most luxurious interiors I have seen in new trains in recent years.

The Helene Weigel is an ICE T, which tilts around curves on twisting, electrified lines. Shorter, diesel ICE TDs give the same riding comfort on nonelectrified lines. ICE 3 and ICE 3M are full-out speed burners already cutting travel times on high-speed lines.

Thirty-two 143-mph first-series ICE T trains have assumed former InterCity (IC) duties from locomotive-pulled IC trains on electrified routes throughout Germany, and you are reaping the benefits. ICE T's first series is so well received that DB . recently placed an order for 28 second-series ICE Ts costing nearly $400 million.

The fastest way from Munich to Berlin is over high-speed lines, changing trains in Hannover, but I had never traveled the alternative direct route through former East Germany, and that is why I chose. to be aboard the ICE T Helene Weigel. It was my first experience aboard this new type, of train.

Since, the introduction of ICE Ts between Munich and Berlin via Nurnberg and Leipzig, your travel time has decreased from seven hours. and 34 minutes over the 442-mile route at 58 mph average to six hours, 55 minutes (64 mph average). The same route would have taken you eight hours, 48 minutes by IC train in summer 1992, only 10 years ago.

http://www.highbeam.com/library/docfree.asp?DOCID=1G1:91916240&ctrlInfo=Round19%3AMode19b%3ADocG%3AResult&ao=
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: libra on March 18, 2006, 06:46:07 PM
The wording in TV guide is indeed interesting - "a couple" - this could be David & Lori (there are recent posts about this in the spoilers thread).

I checked out the website of Bavarian Film Studio to find the closest train station but it's in German. I googled for this as well but couldn't find it.

ICE trains only stop at major stations. Teams most likely have to change to a local train in Munich if they are taking the train.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 18, 2006, 07:18:29 PM
I'm ICED out for now  :lol3: !!
I've been thinking about the Roadblock
Driving to the Roadblock in Germany, one team follows another who leads them in the wrong direction,

Do the teams earn the Gnome at
A) Mercede's test track
B) Roadblock
C) Detour
(http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/2244/pudrff00636ep.th.jpg) (http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00636ep.jpg) << gnome on table  at detour near Ray
(http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/8905/pudrff00694lp.th.jpg) (http://img483.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00694lp.jpg) << BJ running with a Gnome , no backpack in some sort of field which has to be DOH Germany
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 18, 2006, 07:58:40 PM
somewhere BJ sheds his turtleneck ot puts one on ,I dont know what my point is just yet  B:)

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8779/bjt9qq.th.jpg) (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bjt9qq.jpg) <<

(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5738/pudrff00280te.th.jpg) (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00280te.jpg)(http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1075/pudrff01224un.th.jpg) (http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01224un.jpg) Tyler in his TTOW shirt, BJ too ..you can see it hanging out
(http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/8905/pudrff00694lp.th.jpg) (http://img483.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00694lp.jpg)
(http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6713/pudrff01030ar.th.jpg) (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01030ar.jpg)
(http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/3545/pudrff01046yw.th.jpg) (http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01046yw.jpg)
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 18, 2006, 08:15:34 PM
OK new commercial ..I'll guess Roadblock

this has to go with this (http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/8905/pudrff00694lp.th.jpg) (http://img483.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00694lp.jpg)

(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1360/pudrff01050jt.th.jpg) (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01050jt.jpg)(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9156/pudrff01073au.th.jpg) (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01073au.jpg)(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5527/pudrff01087dt.th.jpg) (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01087dt.jpg)(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8823/pudrff01062hn.th.jpg) (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01062hn.jpg)(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/3093/pudrff01091wr.th.jpg) (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01091wr.jpg)
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: banzai on March 18, 2006, 08:22:35 PM
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7127/lake5pm9us.th.jpg) (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lake5pm9us.jpg) Lake; can't read the time
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4203/nerds5wt.th.jpg) (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nerds5wt.jpg) Lori
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4315/passport1jl.th.jpg) (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=passport1jl.jpg) blackbook looks like passport
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9897/tyler3er.th.jpg) (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tyler3er.jpg) Tyler is cheering for someone
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1588/dancers3hw.th.jpg) (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dancers3hw.jpg)
the rest are the same with the web promo
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 18, 2006, 08:22:39 PM
(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/5166/pudrff01106pq.th.jpg) (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01106pq.jpg) Lori & David arrive at the pitstop in Russia

slightly sharper , you all know my cable woes
(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8198/pudrff01110pd.th.jpg) (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01110pd.jpg)(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4851/pudrff01121oj.th.jpg) (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01121oj.jpg)(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7594/pudrff01131bs.th.jpg) (http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01131bs.jpg)(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/6483/pudrff01149rm.th.jpg) (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01149rm.jpg)(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4187/pudrff01165co.th.jpg) (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01165co.jpg)

(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8502/pudrff01176ke.th.jpg) (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01176ke.jpg)
(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7929/pudrff01181xc.th.jpg) (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01181xc.jpg)<< Wanda also has her visor down/sunglasses on but are going the wrong way .

(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3906/pudrff01191ok.th.jpg) (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01191ok.jpg) (http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4018/pudrff01204bf.th.jpg) (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01204bf.jpg)(http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/9003/pudrff01217xy.th.jpg) (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01217xy.jpg) These look like recycled Sao Paolo pictures , I'll have to check
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 18, 2006, 08:30:19 PM
Banzai in the house  :jumpy:  :woohoo:
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Hi-Fi on March 18, 2006, 08:38:22 PM
Lori looks far behind. I hope for a bunching point. I fear for them :'(
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Boingo on March 18, 2006, 08:45:20 PM
OK, puddin has got me goin' with this ICE train search.  (:;)  Did some checking and there are not a lot of ICE stops between Munich and Stuttgart (see map below). 

Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: gingerman28 on March 19, 2006, 11:17:24 AM
somewhere BJ sheds his turtleneck ot puts one on ,I dont know what my point is just yet  B:)


The confessional shot here was taken at the coffee plantation outside of Brotas, Brazil.  The confessional of Double Dees looks like Germany somewhere. They start off the next day at the zipline with their TTOW shirts.

Where did Tyler's yellow hat come from?? Looks like nice German Bavarian village.  Check with shot in opening flash cards.

How do we relate the fact that BJ has the Travelocity Gnobe out in the field and Ray has it with him as he changes into Lederhausen?????

Does Roadblock come before the Bavarian Film Studio DETOUR?

BJ is wearing different jacket during MB test track gig.  Next day after drive from Munich??
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Chateau d If on March 19, 2006, 11:22:07 AM
Remeber, they have to carry the gnome to Phil.  So this could be the sprint to the mat.  After the Roadblock at about the same location.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 19, 2006, 11:49:37 AM
I just wanted to clear up that BJ is not wearing a turtleneck , I was wrong as the clearer shots show that hes not .
Quote
The confessional shot here was taken at the coffee plantation outside of Brotas, Brazil.

Ok ,I'll have to check my tapes ..everyone seems to think L&D are goners based on that confessional . Also they are all wearing winter garb , why would they if they were in Brazil ? also I saw Tyler with that yellow hat in EP4 .

(http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/5824/pudrff00134vw.th.jpg) (http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00134vw.jpg)" I think other teams are seeing we're not just the happy go lucky hippies running around naked all the time , we are very determined to finish this race first "


(http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/6119/pudrff00146om.th.jpg) (http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00146om.jpg)  " with Dani & Danille when were traveling with them we'll have as much fun as we possably can and enjoy it  but , when it comes down to the race it's gotta be Jeremy and I "



(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5582/pudrff00155vj.th.jpg) (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00155vj.jpg)" I've been extremley impressed as how Joseph has stayed calm , he's been extremley optimistic on this race and thats something that I've never seen in Joseph before "



(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/51/pudrff00161ic.th.jpg) (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00161ic.jpg) " David and I have not traveled alot ,this adventure is such a wonderfull opportunity to travel the world together , learn about it....... "



(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1430/pudrff00020ju.th.jpg) (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00020ju.jpg) " Danielle and I spent time with Jeremy & Eric at the last pitstop and we got to know the boys alot better . They made our time there alot more fun, I reallly have to say I enjoyed my time at the pitstop ."

 (http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3043/pudrff00188wq.th.jpg) (http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00188wq.jpg)" when ever I get into water I just sink "
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Hi-Fi on March 19, 2006, 01:02:54 PM
Wait. Does Lori says "is a wonderful oportunity" or "was a wonderful oportunity"?? The key is in there, guys.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: libra on March 19, 2006, 01:31:47 PM
Wait. Does Lori says "is a wonderful oportunity" or "was a wonderful oportunity"?? The key is in there, guys.

I just checked - she said "is" but watch David's body language. If not D&L, who do you think is going to be eliminated next?  :waves:

Also do you think it will be a NEL? I hope not.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 19, 2006, 01:32:45 PM
Wait. Does Lori says "is a wonderful oportunity" or "was a wonderful oportunity"?? The key is in there, guys.
I put my close caption  on "is"such a wonderful opportunity to travel the world together ,learn about it ...."
:ya3: ,lol Libra  I missed your post as I was typing.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Hi-Fi on March 19, 2006, 01:39:22 PM
So I guess I can hope now. I don't think she would use "is" if they were eliminated...
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Hi-Fi on March 19, 2006, 01:51:13 PM
Wait. Does Lori says "is a wonderful oportunity" or "was a wonderful oportunity"?? The key is in there, guys.

I just checked - she said "is" but watch David's body language. If not D&L, who do you think is going to be eliminated next?  :waves:

Also do you think it will be a NEL? I hope not.

I don't think it's a NEL. Dave/Lori will probably be eliminated, but I like to delude myself. :lol:
I'm hoping for a Double D or Fran/Barry elimination.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: libra on March 19, 2006, 02:24:52 PM
The reason I asked about NEL is because I think there will be two before teams reach Australia. I see this as the only way Fran & Barry make it far.

FWIW, Meredith & Gretchen lasted 2 NEL before elimination.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Boingo on March 19, 2006, 02:37:19 PM
FWIW, just noticed in the vidcap that the ICE train is arriving at a station that is NOT electrified.  This might narrow the search down a bit.  Either a rural station (not likely given the size of the buildings nearby), or not a main line.

Neve mind, just saw clearer vidcaps that show overhead power.  :groan:

 :knuckles: OK, back to searching.....
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 19, 2006, 02:39:21 PM
Yahoo  (http://tv.yahoo.com/picks/20060321/) was right about the order last week
The Amazing Race
10:00 PM ET -CBS-
Computers at an international airport crash, leaving the players -- all of whom are still in the race, as last week's "pit stop" was actually a leg continuation -- stranded.
Later, one team leads a few others in the wrong directions towards a Road Block,
and frustrations are abated by a hearty round of bottle-smashing. Good times!

My take is the Mercede's/Test drive is first ..all teams do this task to get the Mercede's/Clue to drive to the Roadblock ,then they drive to the Detour being last = then pitstop ..somewhere at or near the Barvaria Studio .

Maybe we could get some sort of times at the Mercede's track ? Lori & David look pretty darn happy below at the track ......

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9_Promo2/TAR_Promo4/rff-010.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9_Promo2/TAR_Promo4/rff-012.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9_Promo2/TAR_Promo4/puddin3-15-20060011.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9_Promo2/TAR_Promo4/17beabc4.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9_Promo2/TAR_Promo4/0aea97ad.jpg)


as well as the Autobahn ( im not sure if all these vidcaps are the autobahn )
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9_Promo2/TAR_Promo4/rff-006.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9_Promo2/TAR_Promo4/rff-009.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9_Promo2/TAR_Promo4/puddin3-15-20060015.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9_Promo2/TAR_Promo4/puddin3-15-20060017.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR9_Promo2/TAR_Promo4/puddin3-15-20060021.jpg)
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: never0102 on March 19, 2006, 02:45:22 PM
I just wanted to clear up that BJ is not wearing a turtleneck , I was wrong as the clearer shots show that hes not .
Quote
The confessional shot here was taken at the coffee plantation outside of Brotas, Brazil.

Ok ,I'll have to check my tapes ..everyone seems to think L&D are goners based on that confessional . Also they are all wearing winter garb , why would they if they were in Brazil ? also I saw Tyler with that yellow hat in EP4 .

(http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/5824/pudrff00134vw.th.jpg) (http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00134vw.jpg)" I think other teams are seeing we're not just the happy go lucky hippies running around naked all the time , we are very determined to finish this race first "


(http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/6119/pudrff00146om.th.jpg) (http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00146om.jpg)  " with Dani & Danille when were traveling with them we'll have as much fun as we possably can and enjoy it  but , when it comes down to the race it's gotta be Jeremy and I "



(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5582/pudrff00155vj.th.jpg) (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00155vj.jpg)" I've been extremley impressed as how Joseph has stayed calm , he's been extremley optimistic on this race and thats something that I've never seen in Joseph before "



(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/51/pudrff00161ic.th.jpg) (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00161ic.jpg) " David and I have not traveled alot ,this adventure is such a wonderfull opportunity to travel the world together , learn about it....... "



(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1430/pudrff00020ju.th.jpg) (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00020ju.jpg) " Danielle and I spent time with Jeremy & Eric at the last pitstop and we got to know the boys alot better . They made our time there alot more fun, I reallly have to say I enjoyed my time at the pitstop ."

 (http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3043/pudrff00188wq.th.jpg) (http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00188wq.jpg)" when ever I get into water I just sink "



GEEZE, Aside from the Dees and Ray and Yolanda the other confessionals are NOT at the pit stop.  They never interview teams in differnt places [thats why its a HUGE!!!!! benefit to arrive early].  Those are in Russia [still] notice its lighter sky for EJ[arrived early] Monica still in the hat, and joe in the jacket.  The Dee's meanwhile are wearing new clothes [its a lighter pink shirt than in Russia and the bandanas], and Monica in the detour [smashing bottles] is wearing the pink **** she wore during the zip line.

So stop going into Dave and Lori's confessional there she used "if" becasue they were just saved.

Now the Double D' confessional AT THE PITSTOP Yells Elimination to me when she said "at the last pit stop"
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Hi-Fi on March 19, 2006, 02:55:07 PM
But when in Russia would they have the time to stop for interviews?? They already have the clue sending them to Germany. E/J arrived at the pit stop and never stayed there. They were racing all the time in Russia.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: libra on March 19, 2006, 02:58:06 PM
Computers crash at a foreign airport leaving several teams stranded without a flight.

Computers at an international airport crash, leaving the players -- all of whom are still in the race, as last week's "pit stop" was actually a leg continuation -- stranded.

Yahoo's wording is different - it sounds to me that everyone is stranded.  ???

I don't know...the Nerds don't have a story line (all we hear is the music), IMO they won't be around long.


Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Hi-Fi on March 19, 2006, 02:58:23 PM
The reason I asked about NEL is because I think there will be two before teams reach Australia. I see this as the only way Fran & Barry make it far.

FWIW, Meredith & Gretchen lasted 2 NEL before elimination.

Leg 3: Meredith/Gretchen saved by Debbie/Bianca and Patrick/Susan getting lost.
Leg 4: Meredith/Gretchen saved by Patrick/Susan boat breaking.
Leg 5: saved by NEL.
Leg 6: they did alright.
Leg 7: saved by Brian/Greg getting lost.
Leg8/9: saved by Lyn/Alex getting lost.

You see, sadly it's not impossible that Fran/Barry go far...we already know that Mom/Des and Lake/Michelle are not very good with directions.  :'(
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Hi-Fi on March 19, 2006, 02:59:33 PM
Computers crash at a foreign airport leaving several teams stranded without a flight.

Computers at an international airport crash, leaving the players -- all of whom are still in the race, as last week's "pit stop" was actually a leg continuation -- stranded.

Yahoo's wording is different - it sounds to me that everyone is stranded.  ???

I don't know...the Nerds don't have a story line (all we hear is the music), IMO they won't be around long.




What music?? ???

And Mo-Jo don't have any storyline yet too.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: never0102 on March 19, 2006, 03:05:16 PM
But when in Russia would they have the time to stop for interviews?? They already have the clue sending them to Germany. E/J arrived at the pit stop and never stayed there. They were racing all the time in Russia.

I dont know how they did the interviews but EJ, BJT, MOJO, and DL are all weraing the SAME clothes from Russia, while seen in Germeny [both caps and at pit stop] The Dees, MOJO, and Des and Mom are all wearing new clothes so between Russia and Germany they change clothes meaning LD, EJ, BJT, and MOJO's confessionals are not at the pit stop its Obvious.

chances are there is one more non elimination before Russia [counting Moscow as a non elimination] and if Sicily and Rome are two differnt legs.
I have something like this
Start: Denver, Colorado
Pit Stop One: Sao Paulo, Brazil [11] 
Pit Stop Two: Brotas, Brazil [10]
Pit Stop Three: Moscow, Russia [9]
Pit Stop Four: Stuttgart, Germany [9]
Pit Stop Five: Rome, Italy [8]
Pit Stop Six: Segesta, Sicily [Italy] [7]
Pit Stop Seven: Corinth, Greece [6]
Pit Stop Eight: Oman [6]
Pit Stop Nine: Perth, Australia [5]
Pit Stop Ten: Darwin, Australia [5]
Pit Stop Eleven: Lopburi,  Thailand [4]
Pit Stop Twelve: Tokyo, Japan [4]
Finish: Denver, Colorado via Alaska [FINAL THREE]
[?] represents what i think # of teams conpeting in that leg. I think Oman or Greece will be a non elim.  And Australia will have the final 5 with two legs ending in a elmination[great 2 Hour episode like AR2]
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: libra on March 19, 2006, 03:09:36 PM
Leg 3: Meredith/Gretchen saved by Debbie/Bianca and Patrick/Susan getting lost.
Leg 4: Meredith/Gretchen saved by Patrick/Susan boat breaking.
Leg 5: saved by NEL.
Leg 6: they did alright.
Leg 7: saved by Brian/Greg getting lost.
Leg8/9: saved by Lyn/Alex getting lost.
You see, sadly it's not impossible that Fran/Barry go far...we already know that Mom/Des and Lake/Michelle are not very good with directions.  :'(

But puddin said we should trust the spoiler.

Hi-Fi - most times when we see David/Lori the same music is played. Watch again if you have TAR recorded.  


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Post by: Hi-Fi on March 19, 2006, 03:11:29 PM
But when in Russia would they have the time to stop for interviews?? They already have the clue sending them to Germany. E/J arrived at the pit stop and never stayed there. They were racing all the time in Russia.

I dont know how they did the interviews but EJ, BJT, MOJO, and DL are all weraing the SAME clothes from Russia, while seen in Germeny [both caps and at pit stop] The Dees, MOJO, and Des and Mom are all wearing new clothes so between Russia and Germany they change clothes meaning LD, EJ, BJT, and MOJO's confessionals are not at the pit stop its Obvious.


I got it now. I hope you're right. The nerds need to go on!
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Post by: Hi-Fi on March 19, 2006, 03:12:26 PM
Leg 3: Meredith/Gretchen saved by Debbie/Bianca and Patrick/Susan getting lost.
Leg 4: Meredith/Gretchen saved by Patrick/Susan boat breaking.
Leg 5: saved by NEL.
Leg 6: they did alright.
Leg 7: saved by Brian/Greg getting lost.
Leg8/9: saved by Lyn/Alex getting lost.
You see, sadly it's not impossible that Fran/Barry go far...we already know that Mom/Des and Lake/Michelle are not very good with directions.  :'(

But puddin said we should trust the spoiler.

Hi-Fi - most times when we see David/Lori the same music is played. Watch again if you have TAR recorded.  





I have it in my computer. I'll check it!
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Post by: never0102 on March 19, 2006, 03:13:38 PM
Computers crash at a foreign airport leaving several teams stranded without a flight.

Computers at an international airport crash, leaving the players -- all of whom are still in the race, as last week's "pit stop" was actually a leg continuation -- stranded.

Yahoo's wording is different - it sounds to me that everyone is stranded.  ???

I don't know...the Nerds don't have a story line (all we hear is the music), IMO they won't be around long.




What music?? ???

And Mo-Jo don't have any storyline yet too.

Could we stop with the storyline stuff some teams w/o storylines go far w/o ever having a story line.  And lately in Reality TV teams with sotrylines go FAR[Rob and Amber, Ron and Kelly, Ucehnna and Joyce, The WEavers, Hayden and Aaron, Adam and Rebecca, Tara and Wil, Teri and Ian, Flo and Zack,  ect, ect, ect, ect, ect, ect there are so many}

IN THE AMAZING RACE TEAMS WITH BIG STORY LINES GO FAR!!!!!!!!!!!!![its like that now in Survivor too]  UTR TEAMS NEVER GO FAR. aside from a few. 

If anythign look at confessionals.  Wanda and Des when starting last leg had a voice over from their opening intro thats a red flag to a soon being eliminated.  Teams that usually dont get eliminated wont have confessionals shown from the next pit stop when its early in the game until they get eliminated.
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Post by: Hi-Fi on March 19, 2006, 03:20:44 PM
Kris and Jon did not have any storyline and got pretty far. They were almost invisible, just as Dave/Lori.

And they only used that voice-over about Des being the one that calms her mom because she would do that later in the episode.
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Post by: puddin on March 19, 2006, 03:44:53 PM
Kris and Jon did not have any storyline and got pretty far. They were almost invisible, just as Dave/Lori.


.........as well as Mo-Jo & Rayolanda  :tup:
I'm working on a crappy video from last week ..brb

BJ/Tyler /Eric & Jeremy / Mo-Jo / Nerds confessionals ( lol the audio sounds like a bad  porn )

http://photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/Amazing%20Race%209%20Videos/?action=view&current=EP3conf.flv


Dees in pink scarves conf
http://photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/Amazing%20Race%209%20Videos/?action=view&current=dees2.flv


Yolanda's indoor Conf

http://photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/Amazing%20Race%209%20Videos/?action=view&current=Yolandaconfessional.flv
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Post by: never0102 on March 19, 2006, 03:54:04 PM
Kris and Jon did not have any storyline and got pretty far. They were almost invisible, just as Dave/Lori.

And they only used that voice-over about Des being the one that calms her mom because she would do that later in the episode.

Kris and Jon are like the only team[ would be the "few" that i said others can be like Blake and Paige, Brandon and Nicole, Dave and Jeff, JV And Jill[if 5th place is far] and THATS realy it i draw the line at 5th place because 6th place [asdie from Jon and Vic, 9 legs] get eliminated around the halfway mark]
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Post by: libra on March 19, 2006, 04:05:18 PM
Hi-Fi - as an example, you can hear the music in beg of Ep3 when D/L were looking at a map on car's hood.

Puddin - doesn't spoiler say that Mojo is one of the final 3? If not here, I read about it on another board....I'm confused.
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Post by: Kogs on March 19, 2006, 04:06:38 PM
FWIW teams could have 2 storylines going on. like in tar5 with kami and karli fighting with chip and kim then making up, then them making bad mistakes which lead to there NEL
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Post by: Boingo on March 19, 2006, 04:13:18 PM
Just throwing this out there. Not saying it is or isn't.    :angel:  Photo of ICE-T train supposedly taken near Stuttgart Hbf.
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 19, 2006, 04:20:53 PM
But when in Russia would they have the time to stop for interviews?? They already have the clue sending them to Germany. E/J arrived at the pit stop and never stayed there. They were racing all the time in Russia.

Are we SURE that Eric and Jeremy receive a clue from Phil sending them to Germany?  If they do,(its only 4:30PM now) they would be a day ahead of the others since they and perhaps Lake and Michelle would have time to get to the airport to catch the 7:00PM flight to Frankfurt.

BUT they may be receiving a clue that takes them somewhere in Moscow first (i. e. the Puskin Museum of Fine Art, the Tretyakov Gallery, the Cathedral of Christ the Redeemer, or the World War (The Great Patriotic War) Memorial, or just on a Moscow Subway ride.)  At the end of which they might get the clue to go either to the Airport or somewhere else to wait until dawn to do the task.

Just many more possiblities rather than getting a clue at St. Basil's to fly on to Germany.

Also ponder this:  if the teams go to (via DB ICE??)Stuttgart first for the MB test ride, then drive someqhere (small German village perhaps) to find the Travelocity gnome, (ROADBLOCK)  then drive southeast to Munich on the Autobahn the sun which is in the driver's faces or on their left is in the wrong place. In Munich it looks like we have a DETOUR at the Bavarian Film Studios: Bash the bottles, or dance the Schuhplatter. The teams must carry the gnome with them from the Roadblock to Munich (we see Ray with the gnome behind him as he dresses in his lederhausen at the film studio.)
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 19, 2006, 04:31:53 PM
That pix of the ICE-T at the Stuttgart station looks damn close to a match!!  The building in the background looks very similar in each pix. And by the way these trains can get up to 300KPH which is about 180miles per hour.

We have estimated times for the train to arrive from Frankfurt as early as 11:08 (if they made the 7:00 LH flight from Moscow) Take taxi to MB headquarters in Untertuerkheim and then test drive.

Then on into the country on the autobahn. finding an exit for a country secondary road (Wanda misses it!) Check out vidpix number 49 which shows a nice two lane country road (not an autobahn) leading to a picturesque village in the distance. This may be site of Roadblock; "find the Travelocity gnome".

Teams then continue on to Munich.
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Post by: Hi-Fi on March 19, 2006, 04:32:51 PM
Kris and Jon did not have any storyline and got pretty far. They were almost invisible, just as Dave/Lori.

And they only used that voice-over about Des being the one that calms her mom because she would do that later in the episode.

Kris and Jon are like the only team[ would be the "few" that i said others can be like Blake and Paige, Brandon and Nicole, Dave and Jeff, JV And Jill[if 5th place is far] and THATS realy it i draw the line at 5th place because 6th place [asdie from Jon and Vic, 9 legs] get eliminated around the halfway mark]

So there you go...Blake/Paige, Brandon/Nicole and Dave/Jeff were all just kinda there and they made to Final 3. John Vito and Jill is another good example (and yeah I think 5th place is far). I think it's pretty possible that Dave/Lori make to 5th place without getting much storyline or screentime. I mean, look at Mo-Jo. No screentime but somehow they scream final 4. Like you said, it wouldn't be the first time.
 ;)
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Post by: puddin on March 19, 2006, 04:33:53 PM
Gman maybe it was Phil that stayed at Hotel National ? Does this sound like the Hotel National ?
The hotel we’re staying at has this incredible view of the restaurant. Wish I could see it from my room, too…instead I can see and hear a dozen Russian made air condition units…looks like my airplane earplugs will be coming in handy tonight. Right next to the hotel is an Olympic clothing store,
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Post by: puddin on March 19, 2006, 04:35:24 PM
Just throwing this out there. Not saying it is or isn't.    :angel:  Photo of ICE-T train supposedly taken near Stuttgart Hbf.

Looks Good Boingo  :jumpy: , I'll try to find more pictures later
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Post by: Hi-Fi on March 19, 2006, 04:35:38 PM
But when in Russia would they have the time to stop for interviews?? They already have the clue sending them to Germany. E/J arrived at the pit stop and never stayed there. They were racing all the time in Russia.

Are we SURE that Eric and Jeremy receive a clue from Phil sending them to Germany?  If they do,(its only 4:30PM now) they would be a day ahead of the others since they and perhaps Lake and Michelle would have time to get to the airport to catch the 7:00PM flight to Frankfurt.

BUT they may be receiving a clue that takes them somewhere in Moscow first (i. e. the Puskin Museum of Fine Art, the Tretyakov Gallery, the Cathedral of Christ the Redeemer, or the World War (The Great Patriotic War) Memorial, or just on a Moscow Subway ride.)  At the end of which they might get the clue to go either to the Airport or somewhere else to wait until dawn to do the task.

You're completely right GMan. They will probably do one more task before Germany (Is the Hermitage in Moscow?). Maybe they need to sleep that night in Russia and that's when they make the interviews that never0102 is refering to.
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Post by: Boingo on March 19, 2006, 04:36:16 PM
That pix of the ICE-T at the Stuttgart station looks damn close to a match!! 

Yep, kinda looks that way.  These links make Stuttgart Hbf a sure thing.

http://www.bahnbilder.de/bilder/44545.jpg

http://www.lokjaeger.de/bilder/110-261Stuttgart16032002-b.jpg

http://www.lokjaeger.de/bilder/415Stuttgart16032002-b.jpg

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Post by: gingerman28 on March 19, 2006, 04:36:36 PM
Air conditioning in November?????
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Post by: Hi-Fi on March 19, 2006, 04:37:39 PM
Then on into the country on the autobahn. finding an exit for a country secondary road (Wanda misses it!)

GMan, is it a big mistake for Wanda/Des?? Are the exits far apart??
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Post by: puddin on March 19, 2006, 04:40:01 PM
That pix of the ICE-T at the Stuttgart station looks damn close to a match!! 

Yep, kinda looks that way.  These links make Stuttgart Hbf a sure thing.

http://www.bahnbilder.de/bilder/44545.jpg

http://www.lokjaeger.de/bilder/110-261Stuttgart16032002-b.jpg

http://www.lokjaeger.de/bilder/415Stuttgart16032002-b.jpg


That seals the deal Boingo !! Congrats  :woohoo:
Air conditioning in November?????
:umn: I only posted what Phil wrote , maybe the Restaurant fans were running or ??
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 19, 2006, 04:41:01 PM
Yes, the autobahn is like the Interstate in the US - exits are far between; miss one and you may drive many klicks out of the way before you can reverse and come back to where you want to turn off.

The Hermitage is in St. Petersburg - TAR's been there, done that, bought the Tee shirt.( TAR 5)

Note that the curb stone (on the edge of the platform) and white line are the same in the file pix and on our vidcap (and again when we see double dees walking by train.  Looks like they are getting off the train, but strange no other teams are spotted here; are they ahead or behind the others?)
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Post by: libra on March 19, 2006, 04:48:54 PM
Just throwing this out there. Not saying it is or isn't.    :angel:  Photo of ICE-T train supposedly taken near Stuttgart Hbf.

The building looks similar but I don't think it's an exact match. The vidcap doesn't have a platform on the left side of the train while the photo does.  ???
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Post by: Hi-Fi on March 19, 2006, 04:49:29 PM


The Hermitage is in St. Petersburg - TAR's been there, done that, bought the Tee shirt.( TAR 5)

That's right! I keep forgetting it, because it was in the leg after the Russia leg(with all the caviar).
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 19, 2006, 04:51:39 PM
Just throwing this out there. Not saying it is or isn't.    :angel:  Photo of ICE-T train supposedly taken near Stuttgart Hbf.

The building looks similar but I don't think it's an exact match. The vidcap doesn't have a platform on the left side of the train while the photo does.  ???

Trains could be going in opposite directions: one is going north to Frankfurt, the other going south to Munich. Therefore platforms would be on different sides of the train.
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Post by: Boingo on March 19, 2006, 04:55:31 PM
Just throwing this out there. Not saying it is or isn't.    :angel:  Photo of ICE-T train supposedly taken near Stuttgart Hbf.

The building looks similar but I don't think it's an exact match. The vidcap doesn't have a platform on the left side of the train while the photo does.  ???

Trains could be going in opposite directions: one is going north to Frankfurt, the other going south to Munich. Therefore platforms would be on different sides of the train.

North or southbound doesn't matter, as Stuttgart Hbf station is a "dead end".  This station has many platforms, so photo of ICE-T train is shown on a different platform than vidcap.  The following link shows a overhead view of railyard.  It's a sure thing.
http://www.bahnbilder.de/bilder/44545.jpg

Compare the buildings behind the train in this vidcap (http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00819fn.jpg) to the apartments in the link above.  Hope this convinces you, Libra.  ;)
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Post by: libra on March 19, 2006, 05:50:18 PM
Just throwing this out there. Not saying it is or isn't.    :angel:  Photo of ICE-T train supposedly taken near Stuttgart Hbf.

The building looks similar but I don't think it's an exact match. The vidcap doesn't have a platform on the left side of the train while the photo does.  ???

Trains could be going in opposite directions: one is going north to Frankfurt, the other going south to Munich. Therefore platforms would be on different sides of the train.

North or southbound doesn't matter, as Stuttgart Hbf station is a "dead end".  This station has many platforms, so photo of ICE-T train is shown on a different platform than vidcap.  The following link shows a overhead view of railyard.  It's a sure thing.
http://www.bahnbilder.de/bilder/44545.jpg

Compare the buildings behind the train in this vidcap (http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00819fn.jpg) to the apartments in the link above.  Hope this convinces you, Libra.  ;)

Boingo, I really looked but I'm not sure...it's doesn't matter. I trust you and other super sleuths here.   ;)

So the train station is identified, we know they get off at Stuttgart hbf but where do they get on?
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Post by: Boingo on March 19, 2006, 05:51:29 PM
We have estimated times for the train to arrive from Frankfurt as early as 11:08 (if they made the 7:00 LH flight from Moscow) Take taxi to MB headquarters in Untertuerkheim and then test drive.

Then on into the country on the autobahn. finding an exit for a country secondary road (Wanda misses it!) Check out vidpix number 49 which shows a nice two lane country road (not an autobahn) leading to a picturesque village in the distance. This may be site of Roadblock; "find the Travelocity gnome".

Teams then continue on to Munich.

This scenario makes a lot of sense, given the Stuttgart train station spoiler.  Now about that ROADBLOCK task.  We know what they do in Stuttgart (test track @ MB) and what they do in Munich (Bavaria Film Studio detours), so what does that leave between Stuttgart and Munich besides a long drive?

How about LEGOLAND.  Given this leg has pretty silly tasks (smashing bottles, dancing, driving, etc.), maybe Legoland near the town of Ulm (halfway between Stuttgart and Munich) isn't such a stretch.  Too bad we have no vidcaps to back this up.  That's my 2 cents.
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Post by: Boingo on March 19, 2006, 05:54:35 PM
So the train station is identified, we know they get off at Stuttgart hbf but where do they get on?

That's easy, as Gingerman already speculated, it's Frankfurt.  Frankfurt is the main international gateway into Germany.  So it's logical they take a train from Frankfurt to Stuttgart (the headquarters of Daimler-Chrysler Mercedes-Benz) where they pick up their Mercedes cars.
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Post by: libra on March 19, 2006, 06:02:44 PM
So the train station is identified, we know they get off at Stuttgart hbf but where do they get on?

That's easy, as Gingerman already speculated, it's Frankfurt.  Frankfurt is the main international gateway into Germany.  So it's logical they take a train from Frankfurt to Stuttgart (the headquarters of Daimler-Chrysler) where they pick up their Mercedes cars.

So after they reached Stuttgart train station, they take a taxi to the headquarters of Daimler-Chrysler (the cap with Joseph getting off the taxi).

Upthread someone identified the time on his watch, does the time fit in with the order of things? Also with the flight schedule from SVO assuming Mojo isn't delayed with computer problem?
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Post by: puddin on March 19, 2006, 06:03:52 PM
I remember hearing something about someone picking up a package at Lego-Land California for the Amazing Race Boingo ! LOL imagine the teams trying to find a Gnome amongst some big pile of Legos  :lol3: , its a great idea and something I'm off to look into .

I found the spoiler at Blows/ RTW  (http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID37/1241.shtml) ( this Leg should be Nov 13th)
Quote
fit4life777
 11-18-05, 02:55 AM (EST)
     
11. "RE: TAR9 starting location...."
For what it's worth, I saw a guy stating he was from TAR, picking up a package at Legoland Guest services last weekend. Legoland is about 20 miles north of San Diego. 
 
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fit4life777
 11-18-05, 10:05 PM (EST)
     
15. "RE: TAR9 starting location...."
I don't know TAR's rules. I just know what I heard and saw.
He was a crew member. He said, "I'm here to pick up the packet for the Amazing Race". The guest services girl handed him a thick envelope. I was standing to the side with my fussy toddler. He probably didn't think I could hear the exchange. But, I did. I don't know what else to tell you


just for the fun of it


http://www.webshots.com/search?new=1&source=mdocsheader&words=ulm+legoland
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Post by: Boingo on March 19, 2006, 06:21:27 PM
 :lol3: Legos and Garden Gnomes, you know this just had to happen.   ;D

eBay Lego Garden Gnome (http://cgi.ebay.com/LEGO-Garden-Gnome_W0QQitemZ5973876787QQcategoryZ1186QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem)

http://www.brickcreations.com/   << This guy works For Legoland in California.
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Post by: puddin on March 19, 2006, 06:28:18 PM
I'll be a $%#$% Boingo if this really happens why I'll  :woohoo: all over the house !!!!!!!

eta: I almost forgot about the Black Forest spec posted way back on page  3 of this thread which is very close to ULM ....
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Post by: Hi-Fi on March 19, 2006, 06:31:04 PM
Guys, is it too soon for a fast foward? In TAR6 and TAR7, there were fast fowards hidden in the second part of the TBC episodes. Maybe the same will happen in this race.
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Post by: puddin on March 19, 2006, 06:49:02 PM
I'm not saying this is it , but this is a farm/house in the Black Forest ,the design is similar as an example



(http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/531/germany201999black20forest4qx.th.jpg) (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=germany201999black20forest4qx.jpg)(http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/3779/pudrff00695jq.th.jpg) (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00695jq.jpg)

(http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/6053/blackforestfarms9wj.th.jpg) (http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackforestfarms9wj.jpg)
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Post by: Chateau d If on March 19, 2006, 07:50:51 PM
Erstaunen Sie Boingo on the train station!

This picture was taken between 12:42 and 1:46 pm   (assumes November 13th).
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Post by: Slowhatch on March 19, 2006, 08:03:50 PM
:jam: I'll second the congrats to Boingo. I think these buildings (photo below) are what was mentioned. The german wikipedia has a huge photo of the station (1.5 mb) here (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Stuttgart_Hauptbahnhof01_2005-10-14.jpg); you can see the match. It's amazing how the right search term (in this case, hbf) can cut through the clutter.
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Post by: Boingo on March 19, 2006, 08:21:42 PM
It's amazing how the right search term (in this case, hbf) can cut through the clutter.

Darn it, slowhatch.  You just gave away my secrets for spoiling.    :lol:
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Post by: puddin on March 19, 2006, 08:25:41 PM
:) click for the large view ...AWESOME Boingo  :jam:

Chateau  :jumpy: now to find out whos in the silver MB ..I know Mo-Jo are in a black one for sure

(http://photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/th_Stuttgart_Hauptbahnhof01_2005-10-14.jpg) (http://photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/?action=view&current=Stuttgart_Hauptbahnhof01_2005-10-14.jpg)
(http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/7440/pudrff00050yi.th.jpg) (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00050yi.jpg) << some are silver some are black
(http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6713/pudrff01030ar.th.jpg) (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff01030ar.jpg)
(http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/5328/pudrff00020bh.th.jpg) (http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00020bh.jpg)
(http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/4382/pudrff00035tt.th.jpg) (http://img489.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00035tt.jpg)(http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/5123/pudrff00044mg.th.jpg) (http://img489.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00044mg.jpg)
(http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/9244/pudrff00177hh.th.jpg) (http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pudrff00177hh.jpg)
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 19, 2006, 09:20:17 PM
The closest estimate on JO's watch is 12:25PM.

If the picture of the silver car on the test tract is estimated to be shot between 12:42 and 1:46PM, then the earlier shot of the black car (frame no. 36) looks like it is earlier since there is a longer shadow in front of the car.

But the time now fits with the arrival of the ICE trains from Frankfurt Flughafen Fernbahnhof:

Train no. 513 leaves at 8:54 and arrives at 10:08 (this train continues on to Munich arriving at 12:30)

Train no. 579 leaves at 9:20 and arrives at 10:33

Train no. 515 leaves at 10:54 and arrives at 12:08 (this train continues on to Munich arriving at 2:28)

Train no. 573 leaves at 11:20 and arrives at 12:33

So if some teams were able to get on Lufthansa flight 3189 in Moscow at 7:00AM they would arrive in FRA at 8:25AM and could catch train no. 513 or more likely 579.

If some of the teams can't catch this flight because of a computer glitch, then they miight catch some other airline flight and arrive in FRA between 10 and 11AM.

It looks like this is our scenario up to and including the MB test track task.  Then it is off down the autobahn to perhaps Ulm and Legoland.  Will check this out further.
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Post by: puddin on March 19, 2006, 10:22:50 PM
 Gmans personal pictures :) click thumbnails
(http://photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/th_12BPuskinMuseumofFineArts.jpg)  (http://photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/?action=view&current=12BPuskinMuseumofFineArts.jpg) Puskin Museum of Fine Arts.

(http://photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/th_12AMainIconostasis.jpg) (http://photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/misc/?action=view&current=12AMainIconostasis.jpg) Main Iconostasis
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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: libra on March 19, 2006, 10:26:15 PM
Direct flights from Moscow to FRA:

LH 3189 dep 7:00 arr 8:25

next flight is Aeroflot 105 dep 11:00 arr 12:35

then LH 3181 dep 13:20 arr 14:45

I think I will go with the "official" description that only a few teams got lucky:

Mojo should be on this 7:00 flight according to his watch (showing 12:25 while doing the test track).

BJ/Tyler look happy so should be on this early flight.

who else?

So can we assume that these teams will have a huge lead?

Sunset should be about 4:38pm, the cap with Wanda driving and sunlight streaming from left window, approx. what time do you think it is? I don't want W/D to go home.  :'(

ETA: I couldn't find Nov 2005 schedules and used Nov 2006 ones, if I use this month's schedule flight # is the same and only 10 mins difference in departure time.

Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 19, 2006, 11:33:29 PM
From what I can tell the majority of teams are driving a Black MB , when W&D pull over because Des says they are going the wrong way there is another Black MB pulled right behind theirs but I cant make who it is ?

Desiree: this is where we turned before
Wanda : Oh My Gawd !
Phil: Wanda & Desiree lose patience with each other
Wanda : Damn it DES
Des: don't you Damn-IT me



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just cause
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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Chateau d If on March 20, 2006, 12:06:16 AM
This picture was taken between 12:00 and 12:15 pm   (assumes November 13th).

There is a good shadow from one wing of the building onto the other.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Chateau d If on March 20, 2006, 12:41:58 AM
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Chateau   now to find out whos in the silver MB ..I know Mo-Jo are in a black one for sure


Did you notice that it drives out right past the clue box!
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Neobie on March 20, 2006, 06:09:53 AM
In the "Ladies and Gentlemen, start your engines" promo, right at the very end where the Germans are dancing around the table. Are those gnomes on the left side of the table?
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: gingerman28 on March 20, 2006, 09:42:28 AM
Things are looking up (except in Atlanta where NASCAR may have postpone race again until Tuesday!!):

The shot of the train leaving taken at 12:00 to 12:15 would coincide with the arrival/departure of ICE train no. 515 which left Franfurt at 10:54 and arrived in Stuttgart at 12:08.  Looks like the Double Dees were on a train later than the others.

I think I have some of the questions about the driving solved.

The main autobahn (motorway - limited access) from Stuttgart to Munich is the A8.  Most of the driving is toward the southeast but there are some stretches, namely between Bad Ditzenbach and Wiesensteig where the road makes a sharp turn to the west for about 10 klicks,(so they would be driving into the late afternoon sun) then heads southeast again past Ulm.

The turnoff that the teams may be looking for is Guenzburg (spelled with a ue since my typing does not have an umlaut - you know the two little dots over a voul.) This is the exit which leads to LEGOLAND DEUTSCHLAND and is about 20 klicks past the main exit for ULM.

And if the Mom and Daughter missed the exit, and Beachboys were following (clue: DRIVING TO THE ROADBLOCK ONE DUO FOLLOWS ANOTHER TEAM WHO LEADS THEM IN THE WRONG DIRECTION ) they may have turned around and are now driving BACK on A8 toward Guenzburg so they would be travelling almost due west and right into the late afternoon sun!!

This also tells us that the ROADBLOCK may take place in some village off the main A8 autobahn and if not in Legoland, somewhere else in order to find the Travelocity gnome which they have to carry with them to Munich and the Detour at the Bavarian Film Studios.

Does this make sense?
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 20, 2006, 10:05:40 AM
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Chateau   now to find out whos in the silver MB ..I know Mo-Jo are in a black one for sure


Did you notice that it drives out right past the clue box!
Which vidcap Chateau ?
Gman " Gentelman start your engines !! FX says the Atanta race is ready to roll !!
and Neobie , sorry I can't tell where the Gnome is setting , its so dark in that vidcap of Ray .
Also Gman we cant be sure whos following WanDe's , they appear to be short in the seat because you can almost make out a head unlike  Jeremy who would be tall in the seat behind the visor not under ..theres no way to be sure without an enhanced picture and I had no luck blowing it up only blurs it .

Pink ?
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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Chateau d If on March 20, 2006, 10:18:51 AM
Looks like a D.

Puddin, the clubox appears in the few frames that follow this shot of the silver MB.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Boingo on March 20, 2006, 10:20:12 AM
I see a lot of "pink" on the head of the driver behind W&D.  Ya think it may be the Double D's instead of the Beach Bums?
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 20, 2006, 10:25:52 AM
 :lol: pretty bad huh?
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Boingo on March 20, 2006, 10:49:24 AM
A little pixelation magic, and we have a face only a mother would love.  :lol3:  :rotf: :crazy:
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Chateau d If on March 20, 2006, 11:49:33 AM
It looks like this is an important decision point on the road.

The backgrounds are the same? almost?
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: libra on March 20, 2006, 12:41:02 PM
Things are looking up (except in Atlanta where NASCAR may have postpone race again until Tuesday!!):

The shot of the train leaving taken at 12:00 to 12:15 would coincide with the arrival/departure of ICE train no. 515 which left Franfurt at 10:54 and arrived in Stuttgart at 12:08.  Looks like the Double Dees were on a train later than the others.

I think I have some of the questions about the driving solved.

The main autobahn (motorway - limited access) from Stuttgart to Munich is the A8.  Most of the driving is toward the southeast but there are some stretches, namely between Bad Ditzenbach and Wiesensteig where the road makes a sharp turn to the west for about 10 klicks,(so they would be driving into the late afternoon sun) then heads southeast again past Ulm.

The turnoff that the teams may be looking for is Guenzburg (spelled with a ue since my typing does not have an umlaut - you know the two little dots over a voul.) This is the exit which leads to LEGOLAND DEUTSCHLAND and is about 20 klicks past the main exit for ULM.

And if the Mom and Daughter missed the exit, and Beachboys were following (clue: DRIVING TO THE ROADBLOCK ONE DUO FOLLOWS ANOTHER TEAM WHO LEADS THEM IN THE WRONG DIRECTION ) they may have turned around and are now driving BACK on A8 toward Guenzburg so they would be travelling almost due west and right into the late afternoon sun!!

This also tells us that the ROADBLOCK may take place in some village off the main A8 autobahn and if not in Legoland, somewhere else in order to find the Travelocity gnome which they have to carry with them to Munich and the Detour at the Bavarian Film Studios.

Does this make sense?

Late afternoon sun - that means it's after 3pm (sunset is 4:30) and Wanda & D are still trying to find their way to the roadblock, this doesn't look good. They still have to do the detours.

The pink is probably Ds' bandanna.

If Ds are on this ICE train leaving Frankfurt at 10:54 they must have taken the 7:00 flight and so did W/D.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Boingo on March 20, 2006, 01:04:57 PM
I wonder if the two pictures of the train arriving and the D's departing are not in sequence.  IIRC the ICE-T train is shown arriving with the platform on the left side.  To leave the Stuttgart station, the D's would have to run toward the front of the train.  The D's are shown running on a platform that is on the right side of the train (running to front of the train, and you can see a reflection of the buildings in the train windows).  So the two scenes are not connected.  I assume the train arriving scene could be for any of the teams. 

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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Chateau d If on March 20, 2006, 02:00:06 PM
I'd better chime in here too.

In the shot of the ICE T that I tagged with a time of day, I have not seen the video yet.  So I don't know if the train is going away or comming toward.  Obviously it's the nose of the train.  But that does not mean the train is going nose first.  Since the Stuttgard train staion is a dead end the trains have to back out when they leave.  From Google Earth and city maps I saw that there is a big rail yard about a mile away that the trains can back into and then leave nose first.  They may do this upon arrival at Stuttgard or upon departure.

What I was trying to get to here is that the tracks out of the station point Northeast.  The buildings we see in the promo shots are on the north side of the tracks.  The train in the time tagged shot is on a track that will let (or already let) passengers out on the south side of the train.  In the shot with D's the buildings are, again, on the north side of the train.  And so are the D's, on the north side of the train.  So, yes, these are differnt trains.

And finally, as hard as I tried I could not 100% convincingly confirm that the buildings reflected in the windows are the ones in the nice Stuttgard hbf photo.  It's close but frustratingly different.  Yes I inverted the reflection and enlarged it.  I suppose that there is a chance that it could be the D's at the Frankfurt station.  Very small one because the details of the platform do look like those in the Stuutgard hbf photo.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: never0102 on March 20, 2006, 02:11:51 PM
Things are looking up (except in Atlanta where NASCAR may have postpone race again until Tuesday!!):

The shot of the train leaving taken at 12:00 to 12:15 would coincide with the arrival/departure of ICE train no. 515 which left Franfurt at 10:54 and arrived in Stuttgart at 12:08.  Looks like the Double Dees were on a train later than the others.

I think I have some of the questions about the driving solved.

The main autobahn (motorway - limited access) from Stuttgart to Munich is the A8.  Most of the driving is toward the southeast but there are some stretches, namely between Bad Ditzenbach and Wiesensteig where the road makes a sharp turn to the west for about 10 klicks,(so they would be driving into the late afternoon sun) then heads southeast again past Ulm.

The turnoff that the teams may be looking for is Guenzburg (spelled with a ue since my typing does not have an umlaut - you know the two little dots over a voul.) This is the exit which leads to LEGOLAND DEUTSCHLAND and is about 20 klicks past the main exit for ULM.

And if the Mom and Daughter missed the exit, and Beachboys were following (clue: DRIVING TO THE ROADBLOCK ONE DUO FOLLOWS ANOTHER TEAM WHO LEADS THEM IN THE WRONG DIRECTION ) they may have turned around and are now driving BACK on A8 toward Guenzburg so they would be travelling almost due west and right into the late afternoon sun!!

This also tells us that the ROADBLOCK may take place in some village off the main A8 autobahn and if not in Legoland, somewhere else in order to find the Travelocity gnome which they have to carry with them to Munich and the Detour at the Bavarian Film Studios.

Does this make sense?

Late afternoon sun - that means it's after 3pm (sunset is 4:30) and Wanda & D are still trying to find their way to the roadblock, this doesn't look good. They still have to do the detours.

The pink is probably Ds' bandanna.

If Ds are on this ICE train leaving Frankfurt at 10:54 they must have taken the 7:00 flight and so did W/D.

I think it would deff be the Double Dee's following [why i dont know the Dees so far have been good with directions]

But doesnt a production team follow teams in another car??  I dont know why i always thought each car had another one following them?

Anyway i think the roadblock comes second becuase isnt the detour back in Munich?
And whats the 7:00 flight first or second flight?
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Boingo on March 20, 2006, 02:31:56 PM
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it could be the D's at the Frankfurt station.

IIRC, Frankfurt Hbf has a huge barrel vaulted roof covering all the platforms.  I guess TPTB were using some creative license in editing the previews.  I have no doubt these are different trains at Stuttgart Hbf.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 20, 2006, 02:45:02 PM
the nose is going away from us ......
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Driving to the Roadblock in Germany, one team follows another who leads them in the wrong direction,
as much as I've played with this picture we can't conclude which team is behind W&D


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I cant wait untill tomorrow , thats when the best clues come in i.e. the TV guide & The Early Show
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: gingerman28 on March 20, 2006, 03:00:55 PM
First things first:  please note that the two old timers (Mark and DJ) finished in the top ten; old folk do stick around longer than people think they do. Now to the task at hand. What do we know? Probably this week there is more we do not know.

1. As the program begins we start where we left off last week in the plaza behind St. Basil's Cathedral: Eric and Jeremy with their hang dog expression on not winning some extra prize slink off toward the Russia House to finally open and read their clue (producers probably chased them away so that the teams coming in next would not see them reading a route marker envelope.  Most likely finishing order is: Beach Boys, Lake and Michelle, Ray and Yolanda, Hippies, Old Folk, Mom and Daughter, Double Dees, Mo/Jo, and the Nerds.  The first teams arrive just after sunset 4:30PM and it is much later and pitch black when the other teams arrive.

2. Now a big question mark: do the teams receive a clue to proceed to another site in Moscow for another clue or do they receive directions to proceed to Sheremetevo 2 Airport and arrange a flight to Frankfurt, Germany?  If they are to go to the airport now, the first two teams just might be able to catch the 7:05PM Lufthansa flight bringing them to Frankfurt at 8:30PM. But traffic in rush hour in Moscow does not move, and security at the airport is as tight as any airport in Europe and usually requires passengers to check in at least two hours before departure due to extra precautions which are in place ever since the Checknya terrorists have been active.  So it looks more likely that they will have to go somewhere else first.  And there are a lot of sites the the Russian Tourist Bureau would want to feature which have not been shown so far.  Just a few examples:

The Cathedral of the Redeemer and a really stunning interior.
The Puskin Museum of Fine Art with and excellent collection of French Impressionists
The Tretyakov Gallerey with the largest collection of Russian art in the world
The Museum of the Great Patriotic War (the Russian name for World War II) with its Hall of Memory and Sorrow, and Hall of Glory

But, of course, they may be given time just to go somewhere and rest (do some confessionals) before going to the airport at around 4:30AM in order to sign up for the 7:00AM Lufthansa flight no. LH 3189 which arrives in Frankfurt (FRA) at 8:25.  Or they just go to the airport from St. Basil's square and sleep in the terminal (not too likely as security is really, really tight here).

3.Upon arrival in FRA, the teams are directed to the Frankfurt Flughafen Fernbahnhof and catch the first ICE-T train south to Stuttgart.  Trains leave about every 30 minutes for the 1 hour 13 minute trip.  These are very comfortable and fast (300kph) with airplane reclining seats, and reserved seats (what a change from India! and no chance of the Double Dees being groped here!)

4. Arriving in Stuttgart, teams hire taxies to take them to the headquarters of Mercedes Benz in the suburb town of Untertuerkheim. Here in the parking area in front of the main building they find their next clue: get in one of the Mercedes parked there with a "professional" driver and windshield mounted camera, and take a spin on the high speed, high banked, world famous test track at speeds exceeding 120 miles an hour!!  Thrillsville!!

5. Completing the spin (hoping their pants are still dry) the teams are given their next clue. Either they take the car they have been in, or they get into new Mercedes.  They are told to drive toward Munich on the autobahn A8 and take the Guenzburg Exit. This is about a 45 minute drive.  Now it looks like some of the teams miss the exit and have to back track up the autobahn. (Which accounts for the sun being in some of their faces since they would be going West toward the sun and not East away from the afternoon sun). Possible it is Mom and Daughter who mess up, followed by the Double Dees, and perhaps another team or two.  Our clue seems to indicate tht one team leads just another one in the wrong direction.

6. Guenzburg is the site of LegoLand Deutschland and this may be our destination; or it could just be some rural village in the area since we have a nice shot of a typical Bavarian church and small town as our car drives along a narrow two lane country road. Anyway here is the site for the ROADBLOCK (the clue about the lost driver says "on the way to the roadblock")  There is no real idea what they have to do, but they all do seem to end up holding a Travelocity Gnome So it is "Find the Gnome" once again..  We had this one before in Turkey (?) and the teams had to carry it with them until the pit stop.  And we do see it sitting on the side later on. The only one we see doing the task is Tyler with BJ on the sidelines cheering him on!!

7.  Completing the task here they are directed to drive again on the autobahn A8 until the reach the southern suburb of Munich, Geiselgasteig, where they have to locate the Bavaria-Filmstadt Studios (commonly known as Hollywood on the Isar, where such films as E.T., The Neverending Story, Enemy Mine, Das Boot, and Cabaret were filmed).

8.  Now we get our DETOUR.  One taskSLAP IT is to learn and successfully dance the Schuhplattler this is the slap the theigh, slap the foot, etc. dance done to omp pah pah music.  And of course you will have to get decked out in Lederhausen first!  The only ones we see doing it our our loveable old folk.  The other taskBASH IT is the opportunity to crash a certain number of sugar bottles on your partner's head, or until a clue falls out of one of them and this could take a long time since there are hundreds and hundreds of bottles to be broken, but with a little bit of luck and a strong head a team might finish the task fast. We see the Beach Boys, Mo/Jo,and the Hippies and at least one other team doing this.  We only see Ray and Michelle getting into Lederhausen but we do not see which task they do.  It is here that we see Ray's Travelocity Gnome on the floor next to him.

9.  At the end of this task, our teams head to the pit stop.  What is one of the most famous spots in Munich? THE HOFBRAUHAUS the famous site of the October Fest! Or the Altes Rathaus, or perhaps the Residenz.  Who knows. But it is pretty certain that we will lose our third team this week.  Who goes?  My guess is that we lose the Nerds: David and Lori. Who comes in first?  My guess again is BJ and Tyler (have to stick with the Man from Harvard!)

One little added note for those who may be curious about the cuckoo clock.  The Black Forest or Schwarzwald is an area of dense pine woods  to the west of Stuttgart along the Rhine River around Feldberg, Baden-Baden, and Triberg.



















Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 20, 2006, 03:01:33 PM
I dont know where this is but theres an X sticker on this cab ? and if you watch the video you can see a team through the window running with back-packs
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Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Chateau d If on March 20, 2006, 03:14:53 PM
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I dont know where this is but theres an X sticker on this cab ? and if you watch the video you can see a team through the window running with back-packs

When I saw this promo I saw the cameraman going by.   :lol:
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 20, 2006, 03:36:37 PM
 well yeah it could  very well be  camara men  :lol:
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: Chateau d If on March 20, 2006, 04:08:38 PM
So will they go to that column that got us to Stuttgart in the first place?   

You know, Puddin's column!    :jam:
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: never0102 on March 20, 2006, 04:41:23 PM
Does anyone think [just throwing this out, but i does look like someone is following Wandez] that  a team leads another team in the wrong direction like on puspose.  ala Hayden/Arron to Meredith and Maria [leg 1 Ar6] or Tara/Will to Chris and Alex [final Leg AR2]

Just throwing it, out, its look though as if WD have a follower.
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: puddin on March 20, 2006, 06:00:17 PM
Does anyone think [just throwing this out, but i does look like someone is following Wandez] that  a team leads another team in the wrong direction like on puspose.  ala Hayden/Arron to Meredith and Maria [leg 1 Ar6] or Tara/Will to Chris and Alex [final Leg AR2]

Just throwing it, out, its look though as if WD have a follower.
lol never , I don't think W&D are in a good enough position and can afford to fool another team at this point .

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You know, Puddin's column!
  ??? What did I do Chateau ?
Title: Re: EP4 Title :' It's not over untill the Phil Sings '
Post by: never0102 on March 20, 2006, 06:47:24 PM
Does anyone think [just throwing this out, but i does look like someone is following Wandez] that  a team leads another team in the wrong direction like on puspose.  ala Hayden/Arron to Meredith and Maria [leg 1 Ar6] or Tara/Will to Chris and Alex [final Leg AR2]

Just throwing it, out, its look though as if WD have a follower.
lol never , I don't think W&D are in a good enough position and can afford to fool another team at this point .

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You know, Puddin's column!
  ??? What did I do Chateau ?

No i was thinking WD are just lost and its another team, like i said just throwing it out there becuase it looks as if WD do have a follower.

I think its either the Dee[Danielle's concered look in car] or Fran and Barry [reading a map/Barry's concered look].  Now the Dees arrive with them at the pit stop, but in eppy 3 they[WD] were shown socializing twice [at bus and pit stop] with FB.  So its safe to say that the Dees or Fran and Barry are following Wanda and Desiree.   Slight possiblity it could be Lori and Dave becuase they were getting along in eppy two[but doubt it].  Those are like the only three teams i can see following WD.
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Post by: Chateau d If on March 20, 2006, 06:55:04 PM
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What did I do Chateau ?


Puddin's Column:
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 20, 2006, 07:23:39 PM
I got lost on page 15.
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Post by: puddin on March 20, 2006, 07:29:32 PM
 :groan: OK Chateau , sometimes I need a knock on the head

I got lost on page 15.

Maybe you need some Wiener Schnitzel and a brewski Gman  :jam:
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Post by: puddin on March 20, 2006, 09:52:56 PM
I dont think this is our track but its fun to watch

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=109192
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 20, 2006, 10:20:49 PM
An interesting change in the latest CeeBeeEss blurb, which now reads:

"one duo follows another Team who leads everyone in the wrong direction"

A hidden meaning, or the result of some lazy intern?
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Post by: puddin on March 20, 2006, 10:22:52 PM
 :lol: I'm not surprised considering cbs has monkeys running the site !

 :hearts: for Gman
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Post by: puddin on March 21, 2006, 09:16:33 AM
TUESDAY MORNING ON THE EARLY SHOW The Inside Scoop

We'll speed around Germany's world famous track with The Amazing Race! The next team to get the boot tells you where they went wrong.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/10/04/broadcasts/main64925.shtml?CMP=ILC-SearchStories
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Post by: Reality Junkee on March 21, 2006, 10:42:31 AM
An interesting change in the latest CeeBeeEss blurb, which now reads:

"one duo follows another Team who leads everyone in the wrong direction"

A hidden meaning, or the result of some lazy intern?

I'm sorry for you having to explain this....I woke up real late (didn't sleep good at all last night) and am still having my morning coffee.  :lol:

To me it sounds like the Team leads only one duo.  How can they lead both one duo and everyone at the same time.  Or is it the duo (while following first team) who leads everyone in wrong direction? 

Do you know what I'm asking??  Which is it?  Like I said, still waking up so I could be reading it wierdly (is that a word?)  :umn:
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 21, 2006, 10:51:17 AM
Some updated information that confirms some of the stuff we have.


The silver mercedes leaving the parking lot in front of Headquarters of MB in Untertuerkheim has the license plate ending in 3779. Later we see a silver Mercedes on the high bank and it also has plate ending in 3779.  So this now confirms that the teams most likely take taxies (Mercedes, of course, as most taxies in Germany are Mercedes) to the MB headquarters and then they have to search for the clue box which we see is at one end of the parking lot. The clue directs them to find a car with "professional" driver for the ride of their life!I think they may get a "start" tag off some other post since it looks like Ray is holding a small white cardboard square in his fingers as he slides into the front seat. This follows since we see the same silver Mercedes at the start line and later on the high banked track.

I haven't check all possibilites, but it may be that teams do have an option of finding the best flight from Moscow to Frankfurt. For instance, Austrian Airlines (OS) has flights leaving SVO for FRA via Vienna (VIE) leaving at 05.35 arriving at 08.50 and another leaving at 09.05 arriving at FRA at 12.30.  So when they say that there is a computer crash at a "foreign" airport they may mean that this hints at an airport "foreign" to Russia.  There are more flights through Munich on Aeroflot (perish the thought of flying on this airline); on Air France through Paris; or on LOT through Warsaw.

The Detour is clearly the two tasks at the Bavaria-Filmstadt in Geiselgasteig (the latest promo even says so with a supered title!). The following teams are accounted for either dressing into Lederhausen, learning the Schuhplattler , or smashing bottles:

Ray and Yolanda
Lake and Michelle
BJ and Tyler
MO/JO
Eric and Jeremy
Fran and Barry

Missing from these scenes are:

David and Lori
Double Dees
Wanda and Desiree

Since these teams were the last three teams to check in at St. Basil's Cathedral in Moscow, they could be the teams who missed the flight, connection, whatever and ended up the last teams to arrive in Frankfurt and later the last teams to arrive in Stuttgart. We have that scene where we see the Double Dees apparently by themselves getting off the ICE-T in Stuttgart.  There is just one shot of these teams on the test track, Lori and David.

Then we have what sure looks like Wanda and Desiree leading the Double Dees down the wrong road on the way to the Roadblock at Guenzburg.

So my guess is that the Philiminated team tonight will be one of these three. Pick one.
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Post by: puddin on March 21, 2006, 11:01:47 AM
Thanks Gman !! :jumpy:
 
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So my guess is that the Philiminated team tonight will be one of these three. Pick one
David and Lori
Double Dees
Wanda and Desiree.


decisions decisions , these are my choices too Gman .
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Post by: libra on March 21, 2006, 12:41:19 PM
Next eppy - "Good Thing I Took That Human Anatomy Class in High School". There's a good chance Desiree will say this so she's staying tonight.

Have they changed titles before? Perhaps the team who says "Kick Ass we're going to Italy" gets eliminated next?  ???

 
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Post by: Kogs on March 21, 2006, 12:44:36 PM
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So my guess is that the Philiminated team tonight will be one of these three. Pick one
David and Lori
Double Dees
Wanda and Desiree.

my guess is that wandee's mistake gets corrected quicker than david and lori catching up. still going with david and lori leaving tonight
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Post by: puddin on March 21, 2006, 12:46:09 PM
They changed one of Gretchen's (TAR7) titles , off the top of my head I can't recall which one but she was still resposable for the title .
Libra , anyone can say "Good Thing I Took That Human Anatomy Class in High School" , they all went to highschool and most to college  :lol:
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Post by: libra on March 21, 2006, 12:55:53 PM
They changed one of Gretchen's (TAR7) titles , off the top of my head I can't recall which one but she was still resposable for the title .
Libra , anyone can say "Good Thing I Took That Human Anatomy Class in High School" , they all went to highschool and most to college  :lol:

A few people in ep5 thread said that this is something that Desiree would say so I'm not the only one thinking that.  :-* I know they are going soon, I just want them to last 1 or 2 more legs.
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Post by: puddin on March 21, 2006, 01:07:05 PM
I dont think this is spoilerish , but since were talking about Desiree

TV Guide hardcopy March 27-April 2

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Post by: libra on March 21, 2006, 04:24:49 PM
gingerman28, did you post on the Sucks board under a different name? If not, I saw your post #224 copied in his entirety without acknowledging.
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Post by: never0102 on March 21, 2006, 05:43:45 PM
Next eppy - "Good Thing I Took That Human Anatomy Class in High School". There's a good chance Desiree will say this so she's staying tonight.

Have they changed titles before? Perhaps the team who says "Kick Ass we're going to Italy" gets eliminated next?  ???

 

well people thought FB would say this weeks title and they dont.  And FYI Dave [of Dave and Lori] made a reference to school also.
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Post by: Slowhatch on March 21, 2006, 10:03:14 PM
Too little, too late, but I thought I'd throw it in anyway: I found a decent mapping site (Germany) to counter some of the fuzzy resolutions in GE. It offers both street maps (Atlas) and aerial photos (Luftbild). For example, Bad Tolz (http://www.stadtplandienst.de/map.asp?sid=c9bc3190198f66cb61d8d6596092d5ba&ix=1045&iy=86&grid=aero2m).
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Post by: puddin on March 21, 2006, 10:05:27 PM
I think we nailed it Guys !!!!!!! :hfive:

Again I just went back and reread the thread ...so many people to credit I wounldn't want to leave anyone out  :werock: :beer2:
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 22, 2006, 12:14:02 AM
Team, are we good are arn't we?

What a great team effort to nail this one to the post.  Only missed on the location of the Gnome hunt.  Led astray by some idiot's lead to Legoland. (Not from this board)

Get some rest and be prepared.  At least we know some things already:  Going to Rome,Roadblock is assembling the sculpture; One task of the detour is to find a clue in the laundry. 

Agaiin, great job, team.
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Post by: claude_24hrs on March 22, 2006, 12:21:03 AM
Someone think Guenzburg is the destination, Bad Lotz can be the city after Stuttgart.
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Post by: puddin on March 22, 2006, 12:31:46 AM
Team, are we good are arn't we?

What a great team effort to nail this one to the post.  Only missed on the location of the Gnome hunt.  Led astray by some idiot's lead to Legoland. (Not from this board)

Get some rest and be prepared.  At least we know some things already:  Going to Rome,Roadblock is assembling the sculpture; One task of the detour is to find a clue in the laundry. 

Agaiin, great job, team.

Schnitzel and Meatballs for everyone Gman  :beer2: :hfive: !!
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Post by: Chateau d If on March 22, 2006, 03:02:34 AM
From an arial shot of the test track (right after Ray and Yolanda have finished their whirl and are looking at the map "you got your pen?") I could see that I got the wrong test track.  They are at Sindelfingen.   :groan:

So my time estimate was at the wrong location.
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Post by: Boingo on March 22, 2006, 09:10:00 AM
No no no, they, the buildings, the cluebox, and test track were at Unterturkheim.  Sindelfingen is 12 miles away.  The aerial shot was of Sindelfingen, but that was artistic license thrown in by the editors.  Let's not get into this dicussion again and again.  We got it right.

IIRC there were no overhead shots of the racers during this leg.  So unless TPTB hired a helicopter to film JUST the Sindelfingen facility, we can assume it's just stock footage that they got from MB of a "generic" track. 
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 22, 2006, 09:49:39 AM
Ya got me, Libra - but those jokers over there were so far off from what was going on, I just wanted to straighten them out before the show.  They had the Detour as riding the test track (in Stuttgart no less) and doing the dance thing in Munich. Some really wierd thinking over there.
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Post by: puddin on March 22, 2006, 10:01:05 AM
LOL Gman , it sure sounded like you  :jumpy: !
Chateau, you and your protractor ROCK   :jam:  !!
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Post by: gingerman28 on March 22, 2006, 10:24:09 AM
I just figured something out (blame sleep deprivation last night!!) on how Eric and Jeremy were able to leave St. Basil's Cathedral around 4:345PM and get to Sheremetevo 2 Airport a distance of 17 miles through city traffic in time to clear customs, immigration, security and catch the 7:05PM Lufthansa flight to Frankfurt.  It was SATURDAY NIGHT and traffic in downtown Moscow is quite LIGHT - people have gone to the country for the weekend, or are coming INTO the city for a night of fun and games.  They just lucked out and probably were able to reach the airport with time to spare!  But Lake and Michelle JUST MISSED IT.
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Post by: puddin on March 22, 2006, 07:45:00 PM
W&D said they a gentleman had offered to lead them to the pitstop ..when they got to where the man lead them they went on to ask a pedestrian and he told them it was 15 minutes another way ..so the gentleman was probably one of the reasons they lost .
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Post by: supsandalee on March 22, 2006, 09:59:10 PM
W&D said they a gentleman had offered to lead them to the pitstop ..when they got to where the man lead them they went on to ask a pedestrian and he told them it was 15 minutes another way ..so the gentleman was probably one of the reasons they lost .

That was probably just Hans wanting a ride home. He probably jumped out of Lake and Michelle's car screaming for mercy.  :lol:
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Post by: puddin on March 22, 2006, 10:02:42 PM
Your on a roll tonight Sups , I'm punch tired and you have me rotflmao  :lol3:
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Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 22, 2006, 11:40:59 PM
I am thinking maybe the Hans watched TAR6 before, and therefore wanted to get out from the car, cause Lake & Michelle really looked like Jonathan & Victoria. And running back home to avoid some unnessary behaviour of Jonathan bullying him. Haha, this is my personal opinion
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Post by: puddin on March 23, 2006, 12:24:47 AM
Maybe Evan ? LOL  :lol:

tongue wrestle anyone?

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Post by: banzai on March 24, 2006, 12:29:23 PM
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/357213/page/vc/vc/1

Google Earth placemarks are up.
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Post by: puddin on March 26, 2006, 11:18:29 PM
Talk about cross marketing

The Amazing Race Contestants Visit Mercedes-Benz Factory in Germany (http://www.autospectator.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3492)

MONTVALE, N.J., March 23 /PRNewswire/ -- Teams on CBS's Emmy winning reality show The Amazing Race have been traversing all over the world, overcoming Roadblocks in grueling conditions and relying on strangers to help them navigate. While trekking across foreign soil on select legs of the races over the years, teams have been racing in Mercedes-Benz cars to help them reach the pit stop. This week, for the first time, teams stopped at the Mercedes-Benz factory in Stuttgart, Germany -- an opportunity that Mercedes-Benz has been offering its customers for over 40 years through its European Delivery Program.
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Post by: Boingo on March 27, 2006, 04:14:49 PM
Here is The Practical Nomad's (http://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/001030.html) take on the computer ticketing problems at the airport in Moscow.  Interesting insight from a different perspective.