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The Amazing Race => The Amazing Race Discussion => Topic started by: dryedmangoez on April 20, 2016, 11:37:26 PM
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There's been a growing consensus that international TARs over the years have been much better than the TAR mothership in many aspects.
For anyone that's seen even 1 international TAR franchise, what is something about them that you would like to see on TARUS or see TARUS emulate?
For example, TAR Australia's casting has been excellent. All three TARAu casts easily top any recent TARUS cast.
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For example, TAR Australia's casting has been excellent. All three TARAu casts easily top any recent TARUS cast.
The routes have been awesome too! :hrt: So are some of the tasks even though they have been recycled.
I wouldn't mind seeing the Salvage Pass in the US versions. :)
The voting Yields and U-turns could've gotten rid of some strong teams. :grins: I wouldn't mind seeing those too.
The handicap is something I'd like to see come out once in a while, as well as the MFE penalty. TAR US should do something to alternate the NEL penalties, like maybe have the NEL'd team pick one randomly from a jar? :lol:
The U-turns and Yields co-exisiting in international versions are great in my opinion. That's what I wanna see.
Better execution and the return of the intersection? I'd love to have it back in the US to be honest. :hoot:
Lastly, probably my main wish, I want to see the US versions have something like duels or double battles. Those are usually great, and they give some teams at the back some sort of equalizer in a way. :hearts:
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Snatch TARAus' casting directors and run.
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Snatch TARAus' casting directors and run.
I've been saying this after TARAu1! lol
It's interesting how TARUS has wanted to force drama at times and use U-Turns to eliminate teams, but not brought over voting U-Turns/Yields. That would certainly cause drama and if used correctly, can foster real competition.
Same with Double Battles/Duels/Face Offs. If used correctly, they can be fun, push teams to be competitive and definitely bring about drama. But they can also fail miserably like TAR Canada 3 and most (not all) of TARPH2's duels.
Really, all of the twists introduced and still used in international TARs are good when included on well-designed Legs. But one of TARUS' big problems has been their simple, barebone Legs lately.
And another thing TARUS can learn from the international TARs. How is it possible that TARAu, TARC, TARA even TARPH can put together better, fuller, more exciting Legs with, at most, half of TARUS' budget?!
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TARUS needs to just check our Design Challenge finalists legs for inspiration lol. A LOT of those are way better than what we get on the show.
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And another thing TARUS can learn from the international TARs. How is it possible that TARAu, TARC, TARA even TARPH can put together better, fuller, more exciting Legs with, at most, half of TARUS' budget?!
I haven't watched TARC, but I'm thinking the time length of the episodes and the editing matter. I wish TAR US can give us more by showing more than 43 minutes per episode. TAR28's 1st episode had so much to show, yet it was so crammed. :groan: As for editing, enough said. :lol:
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I have more to add. :lol: Expect me coming back from time to time.
I like how TAR Internationals incorporate classic and modern elements from TAR US. For example in TAR US, the yield only existed in the classic era (TAR1-11), while the U-turn only exists in the modern era (TAR12-present). The internationals (at least most of them) have both coexist. Even the EP and the Intersection coexisted in some TAR Internationals, and I still question to this day how the EP will be used in Intersections! TAR US can't answer this question of mine, since the last time the Intersection appeared was in TAR16 while the first time the EP appeared was in TAR17. :(
Oh also…
I was able to easily watch TAR Australia episodes through YouTube. :luvya: :hrt: :trampb:
Meanwhile, I can't even watch a single secret scene from TAR28. :res: TAR US is aware they have fans from outside the US, but why don't they want to show us!? :gaah: It doesn't make any sense!
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I really want them to improve the editing. When I was watching TAR6 on Youtube yesterday and compare to the recent TAR, it felt almost the DIFFERENT show. I wish they could go back to the same edit style while maintain an amazing graphic they have right now.
The leg design and route really need to be stepped up too. While I think that since TAR25 onward had done a pretty good job with the route, the redundancy of some country is still appeared. (Visiting China 2 season in a row?)
I have lost the interest of TAR for quite a while, which I can't believe since I've been a hardcore fan of this show since I was like 10? So hopefully it's gonna get better. I'll keep rooting for the producer to pull out the great season like they have done before in the past.
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I feel the same TBH. I didn't watch half of TAR27 and I've only made it as far as the 3rd leg this season
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I haven't watched TARC, but I'm thinking the time length of the episodes and the editing matter. I wish TAR US can give us more by showing more than 43 minutes per episode. TAR28's 1st episode had so much to show, yet it was so crammed. :groan: As for editing, enough said. :lol:
That's the thing. TAR Canada, Asia and Australia all have 43-50 minute episodes with much smaller budgets yet can do much more and put together more exciting competition and episodes than TARUS. Basically, the international TARs are classic TAR.
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I like all of these except the Voting U-Turn. That is unfair to a team that has done well since in a regular U-Turn, you have to beat the team to be able to U-Turn them.
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For me, double the episodes (from TAR Israel). Two episodes per leg is the perfect length for me.
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For me, double the episodes (from TAR Israel). Two episodes per leg is the perfect length for me.
But the Legs would definitely have to be filled with more tasks. We've seen TARUS struggle to fill 44 minutes in recent seasons lol
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In TAR Australia, when teams win the EP or SP, they win an additional prize.
In the US, when teams win the EP or the DYM or The Save, they get nothing else. (Although, having The Save alone without any other prize is okay for me because of its power.)
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For me, double the episodes (from TAR Israel). Two episodes per leg is the perfect length for me.
Except Premiere and finale legs, each legs in TAR Israel usually covers in 3 episodes, and some for 4 episodes (TARI 5 leg 9 in South Korea)
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I wanna see the Face Off/Double Battle in the US version, SO MUCH! :funny:
The Salvage Pass wouldn't be bad either!
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I wanna see the Face Off/Double Battle in the US version, SO MUCH! :funny:
The Salvage Pass wouldn't be bad either!
It was called the Save. It didn't work out as it just so happened, Misti & Jim's only bad leg was on a "pre-determined" non-elimination leg.
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He's talking about the Salvage Pass, not the Save.
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I wanna see the Face Off/Double Battle in the US version, SO MUCH! :funny:
The Salvage Pass wouldn't be bad either!
It was called the Save. It didn't work out as it just so happened, Misti & Jim's only bad leg was on a "pre-determined" non-elimination leg.
https://realityfanwiki.obfuscatereality.com/index.php?title=Salvage_Pass
https://realityfanwiki.obfuscatereality.com/index.php?title=The_Save
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Please don't ever introduce the Face-off
The way Chinese Version handled it causes almost break down for the leg strucure
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I wanna see the Face Off/Double Battle in the US version, SO MUCH! :funny:
The Salvage Pass wouldn't be bad either!
It was called the Save. It didn't work out as it just so happened, Misti & Jim's only bad leg was on a "pre-determined" non-elimination leg.
The Salvage Pass and The Save are different. I wish The Salvage Pass will get it on TAR US rather than The Express Pass in earlier legs.
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Keep the salvage pass/save/faceoff away from TARUS tyvm.
The Uturn is gone so stale now I'd rather us have the Yield/Voting Yield.
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Liiiiike lbr the Salvage Pass as TARAus implemented it (1 hour lead or spare a team from elimination) wpuld never get implemented since everyone would choose the head start lol.
One that hasn't come up yet: start eliminating teams at the end of no-rest legs (it keep racers on their toes and leads to a better edit than the sneaky TBC in TAR 28 and 29 or having a sometimes terrible cliffhanger in TAR 18-27)
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Replace Speed bump by handicap as the NEL penalty. Instead of spare task, the penalized team would complete same tasks with other teams but one of them have higher requirement to complete, this type of penalty was used in TAR Norge usually in route info tasks.
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Liiiiike lbr the Salvage Pass as TARAus implemented it (1 hour lead or spare a team from elimination) wpuld never get implemented since everyone would choose the head start lol.
This ONLY works on legs that do not leave the country, and this has not happened yet. If Ross & Tarryn had chosen a 1-hour lead, it would have been meaningless because of the flight from Manila to New Delhi. Likewise, Daniel & Ryan DID take the 1-hour lead, and it was meaningless because of the flight from Moscow to Lisbon.
Compare this to the TAR Philippines version, where the team can choose to enter a bunching point (ie, hours of operation) one hour before all other teams.
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Liiiiike lbr the Salvage Pass as TARAus implemented it (1 hour lead or spare a team from elimination) wpuld never get implemented since everyone would choose the head start lol.
This ONLY works on legs that do not leave the country, and this has not happened yet. If Ross & Tarryn had chosen a 1-hour lead, it would have been meaningless because of the flight from Manila to New Delhi. Likewise, Daniel & Ryan DID take the 1-hour lead, and it was meaningless because of the flight from Moscow to Lisbon.
Compare this to the TAR Philippines version, where the team can choose to enter a bunching point (ie, hours of operation) one hour before all other teams.
My point is less "the benefit means little in many cases" and more "no one would voluntarily keep another team". If it's a strong team then of course they aren't going to spare them (Jon & Murray) and if it's a weak team then they have to think that that eats up an NEL (Lucy & Emilia)
If it was "save the last place team AND get a benefit" then I'd be interested (like use the Salvage Pass and it becomes an Express Pass or something).
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Here are three things I would want from International versions to come to TAR
1. Have both the Yield and U-Turn co-exist: This one is self-explanatory, but the U-Turn feels so dry now. I want them to co-exist. Probably have a Yield on three legs and the U-Turn on three legs.
2. The Handicap: I think the Speed Bump is getting a bit stale. I haven't seen any of the TAR Norge's yet, but I like this twist. Having a team complete more of a task can actually benefit them, if they are good at it. Production can also save money with having this and not have an additional task that only one team has to complete.
3. Double-Length Finale Legs: I know they did this in Family Edition. I do think this should happen more often. I feel like they don't explore much of the cities they finish in to their full extent. The Chicago Finale of TAR 29 had so much potential, I think if this was double-length, they could have visited more famous things in the city. Visiting "The Bean," the Sears Tower etc. At least this one was better than eating deep dish. If they master this, they can do a whole finale in one state, like have the intermediate destination in Nashville (first-half), then their final destination city could be in Memphis (second-half). They can also do this in obscure big cities like go to Billings for the first half, then go to Missoula for the second half. I hope if they do this they don't go to Hawaii, or Alaska as the first half of the leg, then they are good to go.
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No, Yields went away for good reason and need to stay that way, and the Handicap made its appearance on S27 with the Texas boys both performing the laundry Roadblock.
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I'd definitely love a must-vote Yield/U-Turn like they have on HaMerotz. The problem with HaMerotz is that they have on pretty much every leg except the first one or two and the last two or three. Although since most legs nowadays don't have a detour, most of them are must-vote yields- and teams have to wait AT THE PITSTOP. Teams have gotten to the pitstop with other teams behind them and have been eliminated because of the yield.
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HaMerotz's Must-Vote Yields need to be changed before they migrate over (and just need to be changed in general). Putting them before the Pit Stop is a flawed idea. The reason is because of what happens when there's a tie in the vote. If Team A and Team B receive a tie in the votes and are both Yielded, and then Team A arrives at the Yield near the Pit Stop before Team B, well then they're automatically safe. They're going to be ahead of Team B.
Compare to the Yield in France on Season 3, which was located before TWO tasks before the Pit Stop. If that had been a tie, then it would have been more up in the air as to which of the two Yielded teams would fare worse.
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Don't see how that's flawed though.
It's the same as 2 teams receiving penalties, but the second one arriving while the first team is still waiting out theirs.
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Yields went away for good reason and need to stay that way
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Don't see how that's flawed though.
It's the same as 2 teams receiving penalties, but the second one arriving while the first team is still waiting out theirs.
Because a Yield's not the same thing as a penalty. A Yield is a part of the game, but a penalty is a correction for a broken rule.
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I'm saying, I don't see how the scenario you described is flawed.
It's analogical to what happens when multiple teams receive penalties, so I'm talking about the result, which is the same, and not the cause. And you are saying the result is flawed.
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I'm saying, I don't see how the scenario you described is flawed.
It's analogical to what happens when multiple teams receive penalties, so I'm talking about the result, which is the same, and not the cause. And you are saying the result is flawed.
Kinda sorta agree with this. I mean in the premiere leg of TARCan 4 both Kelly & Kate and Anthony & Brandon took a 4 hour penalty from the roadblock, and it was up to them on how they perform in the leg to check in before one another. *spoiler* in the end Kelly & Kate beat Anthony & Brandon and they were eliminated, even though after the roadblock there was a ARI and one more roadblock.