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Title: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on November 03, 2012, 12:00:27 PM
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Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Alenaveda on November 13, 2012, 08:12:38 PM
Next Destination appears to be:


Papeete, Tahiti!  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papeete)

Via AIr France and Air Tahiti.
 
 :dancer: :beach:   :dancer:

I'm not apskip o Dr. Rox, but if it's true, this is what I found until now:

TN101  LAX11.30PM   PPT06.05AM

AF76    LAX00.30AM   PPT06.45AM
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: AmazingRace on November 14, 2012, 01:41:40 AM
TN101 is scheduled to depart in less than 3 minutes.

AF76 is to depart in less than 50 minutes.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on November 14, 2012, 01:50:42 AM
It does look like the only way out of French Polynesia the night of the 14th and over the course of the 15th is back to Los Angeles or onwards via the Cook Islands to Auckland (in concurrence with Kandace)!

The flights are:
VT 35 from Papeetee to Rarotonga: 15 1220-15 1450
NZ 45 from Rarotonga to Auckland: 15 1730-16 2050
(also possible LA 801 from Auckland to Sydney 17 0605-17 0745)

And an early escape for Phil:
SB 601 from Papeetee to Noumea: 14 1730-15 2050
SB 140 from Noumea to Sydney, 16 0815-16 1130
(also possible SB 880 from Noumea to Tokyo Osaka 16 0145-16 0845)

And if in the unlikely case there are two legs in Tahiti (taking up the 14th and 15th) there are direct flights for the teams to Auckland and Tokyo on the early morning of the 16th.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: AmazingRace on November 14, 2012, 02:02:25 AM
TN101 just took off at 2357 local time.

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb429/747-412/TN101.jpg)
A340-300 (F-OLOV)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 14, 2012, 02:11:13 AM
It does look like the only way out of French Polynesia the night of the 14th and over the course of the 15th is back to Los Angeles or onwards via the Cook Islands to Auckland (in concurrence with Kandace)!

The flights are:
VT 35 from Papeetee to Rarotonga: 15 1220-15 1450
NZ 45 from Rarotonga to Auckland: 15 1730-16 2050
(and also possibly LA 801 from Auckland to Sydney 17 0605-17 0745)

And an early escape for Phil:
SB 601 from Papeetee to Noumea: 14 1730-15 2050
SB 140 from Noumea to Sydney, 16 0815-16 1130
(also possible SB 880 from Noumea to Tokyo 16 0145-16 0845)

The flight path connecting in Rarotonga could be his escape? Then have teams arrive in AKL early AM the 17th..

Theres also a way to go to Osaka via Noumea that lands 8:45AM the 16th in Osaka, but TAR20 just visited it too..

but there is also a flight from Tahiti thats direct to Tokyo that arrives 1:35PM the 17th, but thats also a stretch(but could have Phil & Prod. connect through Osaka to Tokyo etc)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: AmazingRace on November 14, 2012, 03:14:15 AM
AF76's departure was delayed by 31 minutes. Not good for teams on board.

New ETA into PPT is 0713.

(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb429/747-412/AF76.jpg)
B777-200ER (F-GSPF)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: AmazingRace on November 14, 2012, 03:16:25 AM
TN101 arriving into PPT at ETA 0602

AF76 arriving into PPT at ETA 0656
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on November 14, 2012, 10:12:51 AM
Am I missing something here? Like when were teams spotted in LAX that leads to the conclusion they are on their way to Tahiti? I would expect Tahiti to be the last leg of a west-to-east race instead of the first leg of an east-to-west race.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Chateau d If on November 14, 2012, 10:22:04 AM
Apskip, you are missing a thread or two.   I spotted them at LAX and heard them say they are going to Tahiti and saw half of them lined up to buy tickets to Papeete from Air Tahiti Nui and saw half of them buying tickets at Air France.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on November 14, 2012, 10:38:08 AM
Tahiti is in the same time zone as Hawaii, two hours behind the Pacific time zone and one hour ahead of where Tonga, Fiji and American Samoa lie. Any westward flight out past those 3 islands will cross the International Date Line and result in the immediate addition of one day to the clock.
 
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 14, 2012, 10:47:53 AM
So when they LEAVE there we need to add a day?
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Dom on November 14, 2012, 11:08:06 AM
if they head west, then yes :)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 14, 2012, 11:11:06 AM
So when they LEAVE there we need to add a day?

A traveler crossing the International Date Line eastbound subtracts one day, or 24 hours, so that the calendar date to the west of the line is repeated. Crossing the IDL westbound results in 24 hours being added, advancing the calendar date by one day.

So that furthers the Japan/NZ Leg 2 idea, lol.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Puppet on November 14, 2012, 11:13:08 AM
So when they LEAVE there we need to add a day?

A traveler crossing the International Date Line eastbound subtracts one day, or 24 hours, so that the calendar date to the west of the line is repeated. Crossing the IDL westbound results in 24 hours being added, advancing the calendar date by one day.

So that furthers the Japan/NZ Leg 2 idea, lol.

So they will be in Japan/NZ on 16th November local time? I am a little confused here.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on November 14, 2012, 11:40:03 AM
Assuming just one leg in Tahiti:

13 Nov: Los Angeles, evening flight to Tahiti
14 Nov: Arrive Tahiti in the morning, have a leg, Pit Stop
15 Nov: Sit around waiting for flights, then fly out in the afternoon
16 Nov: BAM! Disappears due to the Intl Dateline
17 Nov: Arrive in Auckland in the morning (and onwards to another flight if need be)

Japan doesn't work unless they waste an extra day in Tahiti.

Could a savvy team figure this out and try to book tickets to Auckland during Leg 1 with their credit card? :)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 15, 2012, 02:37:42 AM
Flights to Bora Bora to follow up on the sighting there..

•Air Tahiti 490 DEP 8:45AM ARR 9:35AM
•Air Tahiti 402 DEP 9:00AM ARR 9:50AM
•Air Tahiti 452 DEP 10:00AM ARR 10:50AM
•Air Tahiti 480 DEP 4:50PM ARR 5:30PM (unlikely unless its scheduled after tasks in Papeete)

If they are flying straight to Bora Bora, they likely split up the teams on either of the first 3 flights.

Then Bora Bora has no international flights, so they are to fly back to Tahiti to fly out to the next leg.
I'll just go with the 5PM Flights
•Air Tahiti 411 DEP 5:25PM ARR 6:15PM
•Air Tahiti 480 DEP 5:50PM ARR 6:40PM
•Air Tahiti 305 DEP 7:05PM ARR 7:50PM

Which works just fine for the speculated production(or teams?) flight that connects in Cook Islands leaving the 15th

Interesting to note how to get to Bora Bora mainland from wiki travel...
The airport is located on a small motu (islet) north of the main island. Transfer to the main island or to accommodations located on other motus is done by boat. The major accommodations have counters at the airport. For the accommodations located on the main island, you will need to take the (free) ferry to Vaitape. From there, small buses will usually pick you up. Air Tahiti operates a free shuttle boat transfer from the airport to the main village, Vaitape, by "Bora Bora Navette".
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on November 15, 2012, 03:03:00 AM
I wonder if they'll check in to the Pit Stop at Bora Bora and get transferred back to Papeete for the next leg?

Leaving Bora Bora on the evening of the 14th gets them into Auckland at 8.50pm on the 16th. Leaving the next evening, on the 15th, gets them in at 6.55am on the 17th. There are no exit options between these two.

Bora Bora leg takes place 14 Nov. Unless Phil has his own yacht he isn't going to make the flight via Noumea to Sydney.

Option 1
Earliest escape option for Phil
If teams are to take this, they would have to fly back to Papeete before the next leg starts
VT 305 from Bora Bora to Papeete: 14 1905-14 1955
Very long layover
VT 35 from Papeete to Rarotonga: 15 1220-15 1450
NZ 45 from Rarotonga to Auckland: 15 1730-16 2050

Option 2
Involves a very long wait in Bora Bora
Arrives in New Zealand at the right time to start a leg
VT 404 from Bora Bora to Papeete: 15 1845-15 1935
NZ 41 from Papeete to Auckland: 16 0200-17 0655
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 16, 2012, 12:00:39 AM
Looking more and more like NZ is in the cards,thanks Neobie!! Happy for Phil, I think the publicity could be very helpful to any NZ areas still struggling to recover from the earthquakes....
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on November 16, 2012, 03:29:48 AM
A quick revision to take into account of extra tasks and an extra day in Bora Bora, most likely hinting to a second leg:

Phil should be on:
VT 465 from Bora Bora to Papeete, 15 1830-15 1920 or
VT 404 from Bora Bora to Papeete, 15 1845-15 1935
NZ 41 from Papeete to Auckland, 16 0200-17 0655

And teams will be on:
VT 376 from Bora Bora to Papeete: 16 1925-16 2015, or any earlier flight
TN 101 from Papeete to Auckland: 17 0805-18 1255

13 Nov: Los Angeles, evening flight to Papeete
14 Nov: Morning flight to Bora Bora, LEG ONE
15 Nov: Bora Bora, LEG TWO
16 Nov: Afternoon flight to Papeete
17 Nov: Morning flight to Auckland, afternoon disappears due to Intl Date Line
18 Nov: Morning disappears due to Intl Date Line, afternoon arrive in Auckland, LEG THREE (maybe in Australia too?)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on November 16, 2012, 05:56:56 AM
Why I think Leg Three is more likely to be in New Zealand rather than Australia: daylight.

Here's the earliest time teams will arrive in each city.

(Hobart's sunset is at 8.10pm. Which means it's highly highly unlikely that it'd be Leg Three. Not to mention teams are still stuck in Bora Bora right now.)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on November 18, 2012, 10:58:54 AM
If New Zealand is just one leg, I have a good feeling we might be able to catch Phil at Christchurch Airport tomorrow morning within a very narrow time range!

Here are the flights that Phil can take from Christchurch to Australia that give him some time to do stand-ups on 19 Nov:
Melbourne departs at 6.30am.
Brisbane departs at 6.30am.
Sydney departs at 6.35am and 7.00am.
Adelaide (via Auckland) departs at 6.00am.

The next direct flight arrives in Australia a little on the late side (around 4pm) for stand-ups. And if there are directs there's no good reason Phil would want to go through Auckland!
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 18, 2012, 01:04:47 PM
I would like TWO NZ legs....
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: ZouLy on November 18, 2012, 10:36:52 PM
All the options out for Phil escape and Teams today:

Melbourne-Tullamarine Arrivals
(1st time scheduled - 2nd time estimated - gate no.)

19/11 QF136 AUCKLAND 15:40 15:16 8
19/11 NZ725 AUCKLAND 17:30 17:30 5
19/11 CA5136 AUCKLAND code share NZ725 17:30 17:30 5
19/11 CO4875 AUCKLAND code share NZ725 17:30 17:30 5
19/11 TG4832 AUCKLAND code share NZ725 17:30 17:30 5
19/11 UA9541 AUCKLAND code share NZ725 17:30 17:30 5

19/11 QF038 WELLINGTON 17:40 17:31 3
19/11 BA7589 WELLINGTON code share QF038 17:40 17:31 3
19/11 MU8126 WELLINGTON code share QF038 17:40 17:31 3

19/11 DJ063 CHRISTCHURCH 17:50 17:50 4
19/11 NZ7911 CHRISTCHURCH code share DJ063 17:5017:50 4
19/11 VA063 CHRISTCHURCH code share DJ063 17:50 17:50 4

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: supah on November 19, 2012, 05:09:13 AM
Perth to Bali flights tonight:

1. Flight QZ8416 arr. Denpasar @ 19:55 DELAYED
2. Flight JQ111 arr. Denpasar @ 20:30
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 19, 2012, 06:34:02 AM
Earliest possible:

(QZ) Indonesia AirAsia 8411

(PER) Perth, WA, AU to (DPS) Denpasar Bali, ID
Status:
Scheduled - On-time
Last change to status more than 3 hours ago DEPARTURE  ARRIVAL 
Scheduled Departure: Scheduled Arrival:
4:50 AM - Tue 20-Nov-2012  8:30 AM - Tue 20-Nov-2012 
 
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on November 19, 2012, 09:50:16 AM
I'm pretty certain Phil was on this flight, 19 Nov:
QF 46 from Christchurch to Sydney, 1430-1555
JQ 37 from Sydney to Bali, 1735-2100

For the teams, Perth's pretty much the best option to Bali, arriving tomorrow morning (20 Nov). A connection through Singapore is possible, but it arrives a few hours later. Plenty of ways to get to Perth:

DJ 63 from Christchurch to Melbourne 1600-1750 (scheduled 1608-1735)
QF 653 from Melbourne to Perth 2033-2129 (scheduled 2015-2120) *Team FatherSon spotted*
DJ 697 from Melbourne to Perth 2131-2247 (scheduled 2000-2105) *Team NotAsian spotted*
QZ 8411 from Perth to Bali (scheduled 0450-0830)

EK 419 from Christchurch to Sydney 1653-1808 (scheduled 1655-1815)
DJ 73 from Christchurch to Sydney 1700-1831 (scheduled 1700-1830)
DJ 569 from Sydney to Perth 2013-2157 (scheduled 2000-2200)
QZ 8411 from Perth to Bali (scheduled 0450-0830)

NZ 805 from Christchurch to Brisbane 1555-1705 (scheduled 1540-1630)
QF 767 from Brisbane to Perth 2211-0124 (scheduled 1950-2305)
DJ 474 from Brisbane to Perth 2012-2345 (scheduled 2015-2245)
JQ 980 from Brisbane to Perth 2037-0006 (scheduled 2025-2345)
QZ 8411 from Perth to Bali (scheduled 0450-0830)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on November 19, 2012, 01:02:16 PM
Everyone's a little confused by the short amount of time in Christchurch, but could it simply be because of a delayed flight?

The plan was to get teams from Tahiti to Christchurch on TN 101, 17 Nov 0805-1255. They'd then connect to a domestic flight, arriving in Christchurch sometime between 4.05pm and 5.20pm. Sunset's at 8.33pm, so there's still plenty of time to film up the leg, ending just around sunset. Phil can then take a flight out the next morning (Christchurch to Melbourne 0630-0820, Melbourne to Bali 0920-1225, connections through Sydney or Brisbane possible too) and have the afternoon for his stand-ups. The teams leave in the evening for Bali, arriving the morning of 20 Nov.

But a delay on the Tahiti flight delays it by two and a half hours. Meaning the original Auckland-Christchurch tickets teams booked are void, and they have to scramble for tickets again. This results in teams having to take flights like the 7.30pm (it's 7.30pm departure, not 7.30pm arrival), arriving in Christchurch at 9.04pm, too late for any outdoor tasks.

So everything's pushed over to the next morning, and Phil misses his flight, giving us his late arrival in Bali (photo via Leafsfan and Itsmekrissybebe) after his replacement flight from Christchurch via Sydney to Bali, arriving at 9.06pm. Sorry Phil, no time padding to do your stand-ups this leg!

Since keeping teams in New Zealand for too long would screw up the schedule even further, I think they shortened the Pit Stop (or, as some may have suggested, eliminated it completely) so they can make the flights at around 4pm to Australia. Note that they did not arrive before 2.30pm, or they'd be on the same flight as Phil and arrive a day early.

So I don't think the short Pit Stop time in Christchurch was planned!
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on November 20, 2012, 08:49:50 PM
I wonder if straggling teams took a later Perth to Bali flight:
GA 727 from Perth to Bali: 0715-1100

Or if they did this convoluted route through Singapore?
NZ 805 from Christchurch to Brisbane: 1540-1630 or
DJ 73 from Christchurch to Sydney: 1700-1830 and DJ 989 from Sydney to Brisbane: 2000-2030
SQ 246 from Brisbane to Singapore: 2345-0545
VF 241 from Singapore to Bali: 0725-1005 or
GA 841 from Singapore to Bali: 0750-1035

Anyone else surprised that DadSon and NotAsian are in the front?
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on November 21, 2012, 04:04:48 AM
Exploring ways to get into Vietnam from around 11am in Bali:

TO HANOI
Bali to Singapore 1255-1530, Singapore to Hanoi 1605-1815 (very short connection)
Bali to Kuala Lumpur 1355-1650, Kuala Lumpur to Hanoi 1915-2130

TO HO CHI MINH CITY
Bali to Singapore 1255-1530, Singapore to HCMC 1605-1705 (very short connection)
Bali to Singapore 1300-1535, Singapore to HCMC 1740-1845
Bali to Kuala Lumpur 1310-1605, Kuala Lumpur to HCMC 1710-1805 (short connection)
Bali to Kuala Lumpur 1355-1650, Kuala Lumpur to HCMC 1850-1945

So no matter what (there may be more flights) teams arrive in Vietnam at the night of 21 Nov.

Something earlier will allow for:
Bali to Singapore 0915-1150, Singapore to HCMC 1315-1415
And then possibly HCMC to Hanoi, 1525-1730
or
Bali to Singapore 0915-1150, Singapore to Da Nang 1355-1420
And then possibly Da Nang to HCMC 1605-1715 or Da Nang to Hanoi 1535-1645
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on November 21, 2012, 06:01:27 AM
My flights work confirmed what Neobie has stated, adding in the flight numbers and correcting the airport codes (we knew where you meant, Neobie, but standard references are to 3 character codes). The earliest arrivals come from flights leaving DPS at 915am or 1pm:

SQ941 DPS SIN 0915 1150
VN650 SIN SGN 1415 1415
and if teams go on to Hanoi, here is the flight they will take
VN1170 SGN HAN 1700 1900

SQ943 DPS SIN 1300 1635
SQ186 SIN SGN 1740 1845
and it teams go on to Hanoi, here is the flight they will take
VN1180 SGN HAN 2200 2200

MH714 DPS KUL 1310 1605
VN680 KUL HAN  1915 2130
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Air on November 21, 2012, 06:04:26 AM
My flights work confirmed what Neobie has stated, adding in the flight numbers and correcting the airport codes (we knew where you meant, Neobie, but there are no 4 character codes).

Apskip, I would like to point out that there are 4 character airport codes, they are ICAO codes. Most small airports that don't have IATA (3 character) codes have ICAO ones. for instance, Melbourne's IATA code is MEL and its ICAO code is YMML.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on November 21, 2012, 06:05:47 AM
My flights work confirmed what Neobie has stated, adding in the flight numbers and correcting the airport codes (we knew where you meant, Neobie, but there are no 4 character codes).

Apskip, I would like to point out that there are 4 character airport codes, they are ICAO codes. Most small airports that don't have IATA (3 character) codes have ICAO ones. for instance, Melbourne's IATA code is MEL and its ICAO code is YMML.

OK, airlinesguy, where is the 4 character code for HCMC?
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Air on November 21, 2012, 06:07:42 AM
My flights work confirmed what Neobie has stated, adding in the flight numbers and correcting the airport codes (we knew where you meant, Neobie, but there are no 4 character codes).

Apskip, I would like to point out that there are 4 character airport codes, they are ICAO codes. Most small airports that don't have IATA (3 character) codes have ICAO ones. for instance, Melbourne's IATA code is MEL and its ICAO code is YMML.

OK, airlinesguy, where is the 4 character code for HCMC?

HCMC isn't an ICAO registered airport, but I think it stands for Ho Chi Minh City.

EDIT: My bad. HCMC is ICAO registered for Candela airport in Somalia.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on November 21, 2012, 10:43:57 AM
In case the teams are spread out, here's what we have going to Hanoi:
DPS-SIN 0915-1150 SIN-SGN 1315-1415 SGN-HAN 1525-1730
DPS-DMK 1155-1515 BKK-HAN 1735-1920
DPS-DMK 1155-1515 BKK-HAN 1835-2025
DPS-KUL 1355-1650 KUL-HAN 1915-2130
DPS-SIN 1445-1720 SIN-SGN 1930-2035 SGN-HAN 2155-2355
DPS-KUL 1650-1945 KUL-SGN 2050-2140 SGN-HAN 0600-0810
DPS-KUL 2155-0050 KUL-HAN 0615-0815
DPS-SIN 2220-0050 SIN-HAN 0800-1020
DPS-CGK 2255-2340 CGK-MNL 0055-0555 MNL-SGN 0720-0855 SGN-HAN 0945-1155

Less efficient flights:
(DPS-SIN 1300-1535 SIN-SGN 1740-1845 SGN-HAN 2000-2200)
(DPS-SIN 2135-2359 SIN-SGN 0655-0800 SGN-HAN 0945-1155)
(DPS-BKK 1610-1925 DMK-HAN 0700-0840)
(DPS-BKK 1610-1925 BKK-HAN 0745-0930)

So if teams go to Hanoi, all we need is an Hours of Operation to close up about ten hours' gap!

Not looking at Ho Chi Minh City for now, but similar principles!
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: ZouLy on November 21, 2012, 05:02:59 PM
Here's the best I can help with Neobie's request :

Tuesday, 20 November 2012, Bali (GMT +8 ) local time,
- 3.00PM all teams are still doing the roadblock task,
- 5.00PM the first four teams checked-in, didn't really know when the 1st team checked-in
- 7.00PM the leg ended with the last team checked-in, here Phil directly transferred to the hotel 'for a while', which again, we don't know for how long before he went to the airport

Wednesday, 21 Novermber 2012, Bali (GMT +8 ) local time,
- 12.00-1.00PM teams spotted at Ngurah Rai Airport, with the word 'Jakarta' (CGK) came out too in the tweet

For me take minimum of 30minutes after the latest tweet above for airport check-in and custom immigration, and we had approx. 1.30PM teams start boarding (or later),

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on November 21, 2012, 05:59:05 PM
Zouly,

One thing is crystal clear from study of the flight alternatives: the shortest and best routes between Denpasar Bali and either Ho Chi MInh City or Hanoi do not connect through Jakarta. They connect through Singapore or Kuala Lumpur.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: theschnauzers on November 21, 2012, 06:42:15 PM
Could it be (as is often the case) that production is deliberately sending the teams through Jakarta in order to let production get to Vietnam ahead of them using the more direct connections?
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: chal_uf on November 21, 2012, 06:49:03 PM
No,,, the word 'Jakarta' (CGK) came out too in the tweet just because his uber error so the location that guys who tweeted is wrong. He said that he saw the team in Ngurah Rai going to Vietnam didn't connect through JKT (CKG)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: ZouLy on November 21, 2012, 07:04:13 PM

There.. The above confirmation from chal_uf answered this confusion of Jakarta  :tup:

Terima kasih bro! ;D

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Chateau d If on November 24, 2012, 01:19:36 AM
At least two teams were on this flight from Hanoi to Hong Kong

VN 592 taking off at10:40 am and arriving at 1:53 pm (actual).

Dragonair KA 296 taking off at 10:45 am and arriving 2:25 pm (actual).

Thanks to Peach Tweet inquiry.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: ZouLy on November 24, 2012, 01:21:26 AM

Throwing out options from HKG :

DIRECT FLIGHTS :

- JNB Johannesburg - SA 287 - South African Airways   Depart: 11:40 PM Arrive: 7:05 AM
- JNB Johannesburg - CX 749 - Cathay Pacific Airways   Depart: 11:45 PM Arrive: 6:35 AM


1 CONNECTION :

Via Dubai

earliest flight out:

- DXB Dubai   - EK 383 - Emirates   Depart: 5:55 PM Arrive: 11:10 PM

earliest flight out to African countries (Sun 25-Nov-2012):

- ADD Addis Ababa - ET 3623 - Ethiopian Airlines  Depart: 2:30 AM Arrive: 5:30 AM
- NBO Nairobi - KQ 311 - Kenya Airways  Depart: 2:35 AM Arrive: 6:40 AM
- MRU Mauritius   - EK 701 - Emirates   Depart: 3:10 AM Arrive: 9:40 AM
- JNB Johannesburg - EK 761 - Emirates   Depart: 4:40 AM    Arrive: 10:50 AM
- ACC Accra - EK 787   - Emirates   Depart: 7:25 AM Arrive: 12:25 PM
- CMN Casablanca (Morocco) - EK 751   - Emirates   Depart: 7:50 AM Arrive: 12:50 PM

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on November 24, 2012, 01:22:40 AM
Teams might be able to get on:
CX 731 from Hong Kong to Dubai 1640-2145

These destinations would be better served from Bangkok, so if teams were taking the best flight, we can rule these out:
Nairobi via HKG and DXB arrives 0640 (HAN-BKK-NBO arrives 0610)
Lagos via HKG and DXB arrives 1255 (HAN-BKK-NBO-LOS 1115)
Entebbe via HKG and DXB arrives 1240 (HAN-BKK-NBO-EBB arrives 0910)
Luanda via HKG and DXB arrives 1450 (HAN-BKK-NBO-LUN arrives 1005)
Dar Es Salaam via HKG and DXB arrives 1455 (HAN-BKK-NBO-DAR arrives 0945)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: ZouLy on November 24, 2012, 01:25:36 AM
At least two teams were on this flight from Hanoi to Hong Kong

VN 592 taking off at10:40 am and arriving at 1:53 pm (actual).

Make that 3 teams:

- Alabama
- Blue Blonde girls
- FLorida spec'd

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on November 24, 2012, 06:52:01 AM
There are many other destinations in Africa I can think of, but the most prominent one that I think has been visited only once by an Amazing Race (AR6) is Addis Ababa Ethiopia. That is where I would go if I were World Race Productions.

Fight information to ADD depends on when team arrived HKG and were able to get to connecting points:
Via BKK the best is not until ET619 0140+1 0610+1
Via DXB it may have been possible for some earlybird teams to catch ET605 1350 2055 but most would have ET3613 0230+1 0530+1
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on November 24, 2012, 07:37:29 AM
They didn't take the Dubai flight... So that must mean Johannesburg (and onwards)?
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 24, 2012, 10:48:20 AM
We have the flight they arrived on now in Live spoilers thanks to the twitterer, also SHE was a the gate leaving for LA and we have a pic of Alabama snoozing>>can we figure the racer gate from that and hence the flight??
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Leafsfan on November 24, 2012, 10:56:37 AM
t1 terminal is where flights left for Los Angeles today.

Only air Mauritius and Air Ethiopia fly from there. Johannesburg is terminal 2
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: chal_uf on November 24, 2012, 11:17:14 AM
Since Los Angeles flight in T1.
There is flight to Johannesburg from terminal 1 at 23.45 pm with flight number CX749. Other flight to africa in T1 is
- Ethiopian Air (ET 609) via Bangkok departure 21.52 pm
- Kenya Airways (KQ861) via Bangkok departure 22.00 pm

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 24, 2012, 12:12:35 PM
Seems as though Hanoi >>HK>>Bangkok would not be necessary if they could have gone Hanoi>>BKK directly, right?
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: chal_uf on November 24, 2012, 12:18:51 PM
Seems as though Hanoi >>HK>>Bangkok would not be necessary if they could have gone Hanoi>>BKK directly, right?

Yup... i guess so.. I think imposible they must go to hongkong for flight via bangkok, since many flight from vietnam to Bangkok.. So possible way is they go to Johannesburg. I Hope Johannesburg just connection to other city in africa. :fingercrossed:
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on November 24, 2012, 01:14:31 PM
Just a note on Hong Kong airport!

There is only one terminal! The two terminals listed on databases are for check-in purposes only. The transfer area is all one and the same...

If it helps, the plane in the background is CX 838 to Vancouver, which left at 4.24pm from Gate 1...

The racer was sleeping somewhere around Gate 21, which is right next to where the free internet terminals are.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 24, 2012, 04:01:10 PM
Found these two:

(SA) South African Airways 287

(HKG) Hong Kong, HK to (JNB) Johannesburg, ZA
Status:
En-Route - On-time   
Scheduled Departure: Scheduled Arrival:
11:40 PM - Sat 24-Nov-2012  7:05 AM - Sun 25-Nov-2012 
  Estimated Gate Arrival: 
  6:51 AM - Sun 25-Nov-2012

========

(CX) Cathay Pacific Airways 749

(HKG) Hong Kong, HK to (JNB) Johannesburg, ZA
Status:
En-Route - On-time   
Scheduled Departure: Scheduled Arrival:
11:45 PM - Sat 24-Nov-2012  6:35 AM - Sun 25-Nov-2012 
Actual Departure:  Estimated Gate Arrival: 
11:45 PM - Sat 24-Nov-2012  6:40 AM - Sun 25-Nov-2012
 
SO arrival within the next 6 hours?? All hands on deck please!!

Current Jo-berg time is Sunday 11/25 12:05 AM
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: ZouLy on November 24, 2012, 04:38:17 PM

I think my post being ignored previously.. -__-"    :tantrum

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on November 25, 2012, 08:52:49 AM
I didn't find any flights from BKK or KUL to JNB late on the 24th or early 25th. Only alternative route is through Singapore, HAN>>SIN>>JNB....it arrives about 30 minutes after the two fights from Hong Kong arrive in JNB. It appears to me that teams are stuck with the near 12 hour layover in Hong Kong......that gives Phil more time separation.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on November 27, 2012, 03:51:05 PM
With Maun Botswana identified as the next destination point for AR22, the following one should be hypothesized. There are many possibilities within Africa.

The only destinations you can reach directly from Maun are:
Air Botswana    Cape Town, Gaborone, Johannesburg-OR Tambo, Kasane, Victoria Falls
Air Namibia    Victoria Falls, Windhoek
Airlink            Johannesburg-OR Tambo

However, my bet is on this combination for Nov. 29:

Maun to Johannesburg 4Z8301 1400 1540 or BP211 1420 1600
connecting to
SA224 JNB GRU 1810 0030+1 to get to South America

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Xarles on November 27, 2012, 03:58:33 PM
With Maun Botswana identified as the next destination point for AR22, the following one should be hypothesized. There are many possibilities within Africa. However, my bet is on this combination for Nov. 29:

Maun to Johannesburg 4Z8301 1400 1540 or BP211 1420 1600
connecting to
SA224 JNB GRU 1810 0030+1

Thanks for the data! I'm almost positive we'll have to say Bemvindos & Adeu, Brasil. As TARflyOnTheWall said, countries do get rewarded, and Brazil is doing it now! Brazil went from A Corrida Milionaria to TARLA and now it is The Amazing Race Brasil!
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on November 27, 2012, 06:36:50 PM
I have taken another look at dates most likely for leaving Maun and going across the pond nonstop to Sao Paulo from Johannesburg. Follow this logic:

Teams cannot arrive before Nov. 26 (yesterday) into Maun if flying nonstop HKG JNB on either:
 CX749 2350 0637+1 (today, Nov. 27th)
 SA287 2347 0713+1

Then the choices to Maun JNB MUB were:
BP212 1140 1320
4Z8310 1155 1345

I expect that this leg or two legs will take 48 hours in Maun. That means these flights back MUB JNB:
BP211 1420 1600
4Z8301 1400 1540

There is the rub, as there is no late afternoon flight to Sao Paulo on Thursdays. Teams will have a layover there until Friday morning Nov. 29:

JNB GRU SA222 1010 1630

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2012, 06:40:09 PM
There is NO confirmation for Sao Paulo OR Brazil at this time. We need more evidence first...
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: theschnauzers on November 27, 2012, 09:44:59 PM
Peach, it is possible that teams may have to use Sao Paulo as a connection point to somewhere else in South America.

IIRC, when teams last took a flight out of Brazil to South Africa, the scheduled flights were 6 days a week; but teams had to use different ways of getting to Sao Paulo to fly out. I would think that if the Race is going the obverse way this time, then they would need that route in order to make a connection to another location in South America.

I fully understand we're all speculating at the moment, but it does seem that a south of the Tropic of Cancer route until the last leg or so is falling into place. I dunno but to me it feels right.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on November 29, 2012, 12:39:08 PM
A summation of flights from Johannesburg to Swiss Alps region.  Nov 28/29

Lufthansa   LH 573   JNB to FRA 7:40 pm  FRA at 5:30 (5:28)

Suisse Air    LX 289   JNB to ZUR   Nov 28 @  8:25pm to 6:10am

South African Airways   SA 264  JNB to MUC   9:25pm to 7:00am (6:32)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on November 30, 2012, 09:01:40 PM
I am moving ahead to the final flights back to the U.S., which may happen tomorrow or Sunday. Here are the nonstop possibilities from Zurich:

JFK (both days)  LX16 1050 1255
                        AA65 1210 1325
                        LX14 1300 1600

BOS (both days) LX52 1735 2045

EWR (both days) UA979 1020 1240
                        LX18 1725 2020

PHL (both days) US711 1015 1345

IAH (both days) UA937 1145 1220

ATL (Sunday only) DL67 0950 1445

MIA (both days) LX2666 0940 1435
                       LX64     1320 1805   

The earliest arrival time is Washington DC, which would provide maximum daylight hours to camera shots.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Leafsfan on November 30, 2012, 09:11:10 PM
Maximum is 8-9 legs finished ....
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on November 30, 2012, 09:37:27 PM
They started on Nov 13..........they have only been filming 17 days......... :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2012, 09:44:12 PM
We do need to look ahead...will this be a 21 day race?? Or perhaps even longer at 23 or 24? ???

Do we count the 13th as day 0 or day 1?? Questions...
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on December 01, 2012, 06:39:28 AM
Maximum is 8-9 legs finished ....
I think it all depends on the number of legs in Vietnam and the number of legs in Maun. If both were 2 (and there was time in each place for that to happen), then the flight into Switzerland with its subsequent tasks there would have been leg 10 and another leg in Switzerland leg 11. Such a short race has never happened before, but you cannot say that it is not possible. World Race Productions is trying to save production costs and what better way than a shorter in time race?


Note: Peach has issued a count of legs up to Maun than is one shorter than mine.

I have Bora Bora 2
Christchurch 1
Indonesia 1
Vietnam potentially 2
Maun potentially 2

That gives a maximum of 8 before the legs above and means that my count is off by one (or more if the assumptions for Hanoi and Maun are incorrect).
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2012, 08:38:28 AM
I think it all depends on the number of legs in Vietnam and the number of legs in Maun. If both were 2 (and there was time in each place for that to happen), then the flight into Switzerland would have been leg 10 and the leg in Switzerland leg 11. Such a short race has never happened before, but you cannot say that it is not possible. World Race Productions is trying to save production costs and what better way than a shorter in time race?

How are you counting that please? Why would we count the FLIGHT to Switz as a leg? ???

I am looking at
Bora Bora>>2 Leg 1 and 2
Christchurch>>1 Leg 3
Bali>>1 Leg 4
Vietnam>> 2 (vs slim chance of 1 + very extended pitstop) Leg 5 and 6 (vs slim chance of just 5)

Here is where is gets muddy. We had a LOT of time in Africa. At least 4 FULL days. Dep HK 11/24 and Phil is seen in Switz 11/29 making us think teams are pitstopping/starting travel that day)
 
Botswana>>2 (plus an extended Pitstop, vs some slim chance another location??) Leg 7 and 8 OR 6 and 7 OR 7, 8, 9 OR 6, 7, 8 if you consider ALL options :lol:

Switzerland>>1 Prob Leg 9 (some slim chance of 8 or 10)
 
So...we should have 3 legs left by my best guess.... possible but not likely could have 4 or 2
And this is all based on a 12 leg race, nothing to say they couldn't use 13 even! (I know...but we can assume NOTHING)
 
Am I missing anything? ???
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Leafsfan on December 01, 2012, 08:41:29 AM
Maximum is 8-9 legs finished ....
I think up to and including Vietnam was 6 legs.
Botswana I think was 4 days so must be 2 legs.
So Switzerland is probably leg 9
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on December 01, 2012, 03:55:12 PM
I don't know if teams are in Berlin now or if they arrived from Zurich. However, if they did fly today on that route I do know a few things:

The airport they could land at is Texel (TXL). The flight choices were:

AB8121 0642 0801
LX926   0850 1018
LH966  1240  1401
AB8211 1452 1611
LX970   1631 1748
LX978  1740  1926
LH962  2040  2159
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2012, 05:39:53 PM
Trains would be good here too...a moving pitstop location?
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on December 01, 2012, 07:39:50 PM
A couple of interesting trains.

1) high speed ICE train....from Interlaken to Berlin. Leaves Interlaken Ost at 7:00pm arrives in Berlin Hbf at 7:19 am.

2) Night sleep train from Zurich to Berlin. Leaves Zurich Hbf at 7:42 pm and arrives at Berlin Hbf at 7:19 am. Teams would have to get to Zurich from Interlaken on Swiss Inter-Regional trains first.

The two trains follow different routes. The ICE train goes all the way north to Hannover, then turns east to Berlin. The Night Sleeper turns in Frankfurt and goes NE to Berlin.

I didn't look for other times......just entered 1800 in the German Rail website to look for possible trains. If we had some more finite times, we can probably get a better idea on exact trains. But the potential for a rolling pit stop does exist.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: ZouLy on December 01, 2012, 08:20:55 PM

Uhmm.. I think I saw a subway station just in fornt of / in the radius of our pit stop in Kufdamm, Berlin, maybe looking at the networks might give a little hint?

-just my 2 cents.. :P -

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2012, 09:25:58 PM
 They would have run a whole leg by that point right? Where they arrive is usually no where near where they finish. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2012, 09:27:10 PM
A couple of interesting trains.

1) high speed ICE train....from Interlaken to Berlin. Leaves Interlaken Ost at 7:00pm arrives in Berlin Hbf at 7:19 am.

2) Night sleep train from Zurich to Berlin. Leaves Zurich Hbf at 7:42 pm and arrives at Berlin Hbf at 7:19 am. Teams would have to get to Zurich from Interlaken on Swiss Inter-Regional trains first.

The two trains follow different routes. The ICE train goes all the way north to Hannover, then turns east to Berlin. The Night Sleeper turns in Frankfurt and goes NE to Berlin.

I didn't look for other times......just entered 1800 in the German Rail website to look for possible trains. If we had some more finite times, we can probably get a better idea on exact trains. But the potential for a rolling pit stop does exist.

Odd that checkin time was so late then. But I LOVE train legs!
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on December 01, 2012, 09:38:10 PM
Well, I am assuming that they arrived in Zurich on the Swissair flight.......then took train to Interlaken......did the leg and got checked in. Peach suggested a rolling pit stop on a train. I just put 6 pm into the schedule system.

From Interlaken on the high speed connection, there are trains about every hour, close to the hour till midnight. Then start up again in the morning.

If they are instructed to go to Zurich to take that night sleeper train, then they have a 2 hour trip to Zurich from Interlaken. Those trains run about every 30 minutes.

I am assuming 2 legs, one in Switzerland and one in Berlin.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on December 02, 2012, 02:31:33 PM
I will assume that the teams were ready to return from Berlin to the U.S. today. Which flights might they take?

There is only one nonstop to the eastern half of the U.S.:
UA97 TXL 1034 1417, which landed in Newark just over one hour ago at gate B61.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: redwings8831 on December 02, 2012, 02:37:44 PM
I will assume that the teams were ready to return from Berlin to the U.S. today. Which flights might they take?

There is only one nonstop to the eastern half of the U.S.:
UA97 TXL 1034 1417, which landed in Newark just over one hour ago.

19 day race? Doubt it.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 02, 2012, 05:24:45 PM
No apskip...WAY too soon!
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on December 02, 2012, 07:41:08 PM
I think no rolling Pit Stop.

Switzerland Pit Stop is in the afternoon/evening of 30 Nov. Phil flies to Berlin the next morning.

Option 1
Teams are held until the morning, and waste the daytime of 1 Dec taking a train up.
Option 2
Teams are held even longer at the Pit Stop, then fly to Berlin.

In both cases, teams race in the early evening of 1 Dec in Berlin.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: redskevin88 on December 03, 2012, 08:00:32 AM
I will assume that the teams were ready to return from Berlin to the U.S. today. Which flights might they take?

There is only one nonstop to the eastern half of the U.S.:
UA97 TXL 1034 1417, which landed in Newark just over one hour ago at gate B61.

I agree with apskip they are returning to the US...

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for a connecting flight to Central America or Canada (?) for the penultimate leg

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Xarles on December 03, 2012, 11:48:17 AM
I will assume that the teams were ready to return from Berlin to the U.S. today. Which flights might they take?

There is only one nonstop to the eastern half of the U.S.:
UA97 TXL 1034 1417, which landed in Newark just over one hour ago at gate B61.

I agree with apskip they are returning to the US...

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for a connecting flight to Central America or Canada (?) for the penultimate leg

There are excellent connections for the whole US via Berlin-Frankfurt: From Seattle to Houston to NY, from LA to Chicago to Miami.

If they were to come back through Latin America: Then there are only four connections via Berlin-Frankfurt:

2 to Mexico:
Mexico City and on via Lufthansa
Cancun and on via Condor
(within a two hour time span)
(I know, I know, ...always wishing)

1 ea. to Venezuela and Colombia:
Caracas or Bogota via Lufthansa
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: theschnauzers on December 03, 2012, 02:07:54 PM
Let me throw out a trend.

For years, Germans have liked to take a winter vacation in south Florida or the Caribbean; you can include the Bahamas as well. (Maybe even Bermuda.) I agree with Peach December 1st or 2nd is too early. And the 3rd would only be the 22nd day of filming, when most Races are 22-23 days.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: dpe on December 04, 2012, 09:41:31 AM
Today or tomorrow? wouldn't today be the 12th leg?

LONDON DALLAS

9:45 am → 2:05 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S American 51
10:40 am → 2:40 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S British Airways 193
1:25 pm → 6:10 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S American 79


LONDON MIAMI
9:40 am → 2:30 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 207
11:05 am → 4:05 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S American 57
12:05 pm → 5:30 pm LHR-MIA S - - - - F S American 39
12:45 pm → 5:40 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S Virgin Atlantic 5
1:35 pm → 6:20 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 209
2:55 pm → 7:45 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 205

LONDON ATLANTA
8:45 am → 1:40 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 39
2:05 pm → 7:00 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 9
2:30 pm → 6:45 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S British Airways 227
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: ZBC Company on December 04, 2012, 01:08:44 PM
Today or tomorrow? wouldn't today be the 12th leg?

LONDON DALLAS

9:45 am → 2:05 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S American 51
10:40 am → 2:40 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S British Airways 193
1:25 pm → 6:10 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S American 79


LONDON MIAMI
9:40 am → 2:30 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 207
11:05 am → 4:05 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S American 57
12:05 pm → 5:30 pm LHR-MIA S - - - - F S American 39
12:45 pm → 5:40 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S Virgin Atlantic 5
1:35 pm → 6:20 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 209
2:55 pm → 7:45 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 205

LONDON ATLANTA
8:45 am → 1:40 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 39
2:05 pm → 7:00 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 9
2:30 pm → 6:45 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S British Airways 227

it cant be Maimai or altana or dallas umm
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Chateau d If on December 04, 2012, 01:12:14 PM
Today or tomorrow? wouldn't today be the 12th leg?

LONDON DALLAS

9:45 am → 2:05 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S American 51
10:40 am → 2:40 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S British Airways 193
1:25 pm → 6:10 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S American 79


LONDON MIAMI
9:40 am → 2:30 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 207
11:05 am → 4:05 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S American 57
12:05 pm → 5:30 pm LHR-MIA S - - - - F S American 39
12:45 pm → 5:40 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S Virgin Atlantic 5
1:35 pm → 6:20 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 209
2:55 pm → 7:45 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 205

LONDON ATLANTA
8:45 am → 1:40 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 39
2:05 pm → 7:00 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 9
2:30 pm → 6:45 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S British Airways 227

it cant be Maimai or altana or dallas umm

Why?
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: ZBC Company on December 04, 2012, 01:14:40 PM
Today or tomorrow? wouldn't today be the 12th leg?

LONDON DALLAS

9:45 am → 2:05 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S American 51
10:40 am → 2:40 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S British Airways 193
1:25 pm → 6:10 pm LHR-DFW S M T W T F S American 79


LONDON MIAMI
9:40 am → 2:30 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 207
11:05 am → 4:05 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S American 57
12:05 pm → 5:30 pm LHR-MIA S - - - - F S American 39
12:45 pm → 5:40 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S Virgin Atlantic 5
1:35 pm → 6:20 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 209
2:55 pm → 7:45 pm LHR-MIA S M T W T F S British Airways 205

LONDON ATLANTA
8:45 am → 1:40 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 39
2:05 pm → 7:00 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 9
2:30 pm → 6:45 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S British Airways 227

it cant be Maimai or altana or dallas umm

Why?

i mean think this proudcer money they want short city ending
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Chateau d If on December 04, 2012, 01:19:25 PM

Are you ready for visitors again Peach?    :cmaslol

Quote
LONDON ATLANTA
8:45 am → 1:40 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 39
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 04, 2012, 03:03:03 PM

Are you ready for visitors again Peach?    :cmaslol

Quote
LONDON ATLANTA
8:45 am → 1:40 pm LHR-ATL S M T W T F S Delta 39

Bring 'em on!! :yess:
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 04, 2012, 04:03:42 PM
Yeah, don't forget the Motor City (Can't forget the Motor City)

London <-> Detroit
LHR London DL 19 Delta Air Lines DEP 09:25 ARR 13:20

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: paldog123456 on December 04, 2012, 05:04:09 PM
Yeah, don't forget the Motor City (Can't forget the Motor City)

London <-> Detroit
LHR London DL 19 Delta Air Lines DEP 09:25 ARR 13:20
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: dpe on December 04, 2012, 06:03:42 PM
I'm thinking warm climate
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Joeyengen on December 04, 2012, 06:23:57 PM
London to Baltimore (British Airways 229) ???
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Mattjimf on December 05, 2012, 03:42:17 AM
It is possible to get to the US via other cities in the UK

(AA) American Airlines 55
(MAN) Manchester, EN, GB to (ORD) Chicago, IL, US
DEPARTURE    ARRIVAL
Scheduled Departure:   Scheduled Arrival:
9:55 AM - Thu Dec-6-2012    12:40 PM - Thu Dec-6-2012
Departure Terminal:   3

(VS) Virgin Atlantic Airways 85
(MAN) Manchester, EN, GB to (LAS) Las Vegas, NV, US
DEPARTURE    ARRIVAL
Scheduled Departure:   Scheduled Arrival:
9:45 AM - Thu Dec-6-2012    12:35 PM - Thu Dec-6-2012
Departure Terminal:   2

(US) US Airways 735
(MAN) Manchester, EN, GB to (PHL) Philadelphia, PA, US
DEPARTURE    ARRIVAL
Scheduled Departure:   Scheduled Arrival:
10:55 AM - Thu Dec-6-2012    1:55 PM - Thu Dec-6-2012
Departure Terminal:   2

(VS) Virgin Atlantic Airways 75
(MAN) Manchester, EN, GB to (MCO) Orlando, FL, US
DEPARTURE    ARRIVAL
Scheduled Departure:   Scheduled Arrival:
11:30 AM - Thu Dec-6-2012    3:50 PM - Thu Dec-6-2012
Departure Terminal:   2

(AA) American Airlines 211
(MAN) Manchester, EN, GB to (JFK) New York, NY, US
DEPARTURE    ARRIVAL
Scheduled Departure:   Scheduled Arrival:
10:30 AM - Thu Dec-6-2012    1:40 PM - Thu Dec-6-2012
Departure Terminal:   3

(UA) United Airlines 21
(MAN) Manchester, EN, GB to (EWR) Newark, NJ, US
DEPARTURE    ARRIVAL
Scheduled Departure:   Scheduled Arrival:
9:00 AM - Thu Dec-6-2012    12:10 PM - Thu Dec-6-2012
Estimated Departure:    Estimated Arrival:
9:10 AM - Thu Dec-6-2012 (runway)    11:57 AM - Thu Dec-6-2012 (runway)
Departure Terminal:   2

(UA) United Airlines 17
(GLA) Glasgow, SC, GB to (EWR) Newark, NJ, US
DEPARTURE    ARRIVAL
Scheduled Departure:   Scheduled Arrival:
9:00 AM - Thu Dec-6-2012    11:45 AM - Thu Dec-6-2012
Estimated Gate Departure:    Estimated Gate Arrival:
9:00 AM - Thu Dec-6-2012    11:45 AM - Thu Dec-6-2012
Departure Terminal:   M
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: dpe on December 05, 2012, 08:07:02 AM
East coast or midwest more likely due to early sunset times. Of course they have raced in darkness I would think they would prefer daylight.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Mattjimf on December 05, 2012, 08:08:45 AM
Well it gets dark at about 1530/1600 in Edinburgh just now.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 05, 2012, 09:12:32 AM
ALL SPEC goes in the SPEC threads please, not here!

Transport possibilities are welcome here.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on December 05, 2012, 10:52:53 AM
I use the "if it's an Amazing Race finale, the final flight must be nonstop" theory. This may not be totally accurate, but it does work most of the time. It allows teams to NOT be sighted changing planes. So I looked at Edinburgh, Glasgow, Prestwick (it used to have nonstop flights to the U.S. but not today) and Manchester. Here is what I found (note that several others had found parts of this and reported them previously):

EDI EWR UA97 1034 1417

GLA EWR UA27 0938 1137 (just landed ahead of schedule and first one from this entire group to do so)

MAN MCO  VS75  1138 1556

MAN MCO VS73  1255 1649

MAN PHL US235 1117 1354

MAN EWR UA21 0916 1210

MAN JFK  AA351 1031 1304
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on December 06, 2012, 08:39:17 AM
IF they are in Belfast, there is an early morning flight to Manchester. Teams then could connect to flights to NYC/Newark, Chicago or Philadelphia. Since they were in NYC in TAR21, I would think that is not an option. The Chicago and Philadelphia arrive with lots of daylight filming time available.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 06, 2012, 08:51:45 AM
Should be a leg today first. Believe they are still in UK.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2012, 09:53:08 AM
So this is what we have so far it appears.

1. French Polynesia
2. French Polynesia
3. New Zealand
4. Indonesia
5. Vietnam
6. Vietnam
7. Botswana
8. ???
9. Switzerland
10. Germany
11. ???
12. USA (obviously)

Theories I have for legs 8 and eventually 11:
a. Second leg in Botswana, other country in Europe
b. leg in South Africa/Namibia, second leg in Germany (i hope  :hrt:)

Here is my guess:

Leg   Country
1   French Polynesia
2   French Polynesia
3   New Zealand
4   Indonesia
5   Vietnam
6   Vietnam
7   Botswana
8   Botswana
9   Switzerland & Germany
10   Gibraltar
11   London England
12   USA

Could be this?  Switzerland and Germany as one leg.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 06, 2012, 10:07:57 AM
That's what I think too.
Scratch Gibralter and put Belfast and we have our route! SO proud of our team!
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Leafsfan on December 06, 2012, 11:00:24 AM
That's what I think too.
Scratch Gibralter and put Belfast and we have our route! SO proud of our team!

And London with Belfast and Gibraltar with Edinburgh?
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2012, 11:13:38 AM
No Gibraltar!  That was just my hope.  It has a close flight relation with London.

Maybe next time.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on December 06, 2012, 12:11:18 PM
MY THEORY OF NONSTOPS FOR FINALES WILL BE THE FOCUS OF THIS POST, WITH BELFAST (BFS) AND SHANNON THE LOGICAL DEPARTURE AIRPORTS (DUBLIN IS TOO FAR).

FROM BELFAST THERE IS ONLY UA95 BFS EWR WHICH DEPARTED AT 1130.

FROM SHANNON THERE ARE 3 FLIGHTS TO JFK AND 1 TO BOS:
ET135 SNN BOS departed 145 minutes late at 1125
UA25  SNN JFK departed 1126 
BA1    SNN JFK departed 6 minutes late at 1156
BA3    SNN JFK to depart 1800
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: redwings8831 on December 06, 2012, 12:32:35 PM
MY THEORY OF NONSTOPS FOR FINALES WILL BE THE FOCUS OF THIS POST, WITH BELFAST (BFS) AND SHANNON THE LOGICAL DEPARTURE AIRPORTS (DUBLIN IS TOO FAR).

According to Google maps, Dublin is 103 miles (165 km) from Belfast while Shannon is 239 miles (384 km) from Belfast.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on December 06, 2012, 12:37:10 PM
Actually, redwings, your data for belfast to shannon and mine too are both way off. The correct number is 177 miles. Dublin is indeed a considerably shorter distance from Belfast.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: redwings8831 on December 06, 2012, 12:37:57 PM
Actually, redwings, your data for belfast to shannon and mine too are both way off. The correct number is 177 miles. Dublin is indeed a considerably shorter distance from Belfast.

I was just using what google maps had for the driving directions which isn't the most direct. Anyway, Dublin should be examined as a possible airport to depart from.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on December 06, 2012, 12:44:46 PM
NONTSTOP ARRIVAL TIMES FOR TODAY 12/6/12 (see post two above for details of the flights):

UA95 1346
ET135 1502
UA25 1325
BA1 1416
BA3 1804

SO ONE FLIGHT JUST LANDED IN JFK, ONE IS ABOUT TO LAND IN NEWARK AND A SECOND SOON IN JFK. By the time teams clear customs if on the first-arriving flight, there will be only 2.5 hours of daylight in the New York metro area and less in the Boston area. I bet World Race Productions was expecting the Boston flight to be on time and give them another 2.5 hours daylight for filming by using that route.

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on December 06, 2012, 01:05:23 PM
I have reconsidered the viability of Dublin based on the above input from redwings8831. Her are the flights nonstop to the U.S. today:

ATL DL177 0840 1240 (over 1 hour ago)
EWR UA23 0900 1140 (over 2 hours ago)
JFK EI105 1100 1342 (just landed)
JFK DL91  1109 1332 (just landed)
PHL US723 1112 1347 (just landed)
ORD EI125 1307 1538
BOS EI137 1359 1539
JFK EI109  1547 1757
JFK EI10    1606 1754

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 06, 2012, 02:04:27 PM
The Finale is NOT in NYC.

And I would also look at connecting any flights from Belfast via Manchester, an easy hop.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: dpe on December 06, 2012, 02:10:06 PM
1:55 pm MAN-PHL
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: theschnauzers on December 06, 2012, 02:45:43 PM
Just a while idea in my brain....maybe a finish line at the Naval Observatory in Washington, DC? (It's also the official home of the Vice President.)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: supah on December 06, 2012, 02:49:53 PM
Just a while idea in my brain....maybe a finish line at the Naval Observatory in Washington, DC? (It's also the official home of the Vice President.)

As long as the Finish Line is outdoors, I'll be happy. So disappointed TAR21 has to end in some hall  :cmas4
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on December 07, 2012, 12:28:48 AM
Leg   Country
1   French Polynesia
2   French Polynesia
3   New Zealand
4   Indonesia
5   Vietnam
6   Vietnam
7   Botswana
8   Botswana
9   Switzerland & Germany
10   Edinburgh & Belfast
11   London England
12   USA

Do you think this is what the route is, Peach?
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on December 07, 2012, 08:30:35 AM
The Finale is NOT in NYC.

And I would also look at connecting any flights from Belfast via Manchester, an easy hop.

I can take a hint! There is only one relevant flight BFS MAN V2 130 0700 0749
It connects in Manchester with:

MAN PHL VS735 1114 1418
MAN IAD UA101 1155 1521
MAN ATL DL65   1036 1422
MAN MCO VS25  1119 1522

The destinations not consistent with Peach's statement above that it is not NYC are JFK and EWR. I am providing them just in case:
MAN EWR UA 21 0951 1236
MAN JFK   AA211 1047 1328

So, which is it going to be among 3 never-visited destinations? Philadelphia? Washington? Orlando? I discount Atlanta because it has been the site of one Amazing Race finale.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Chateau d If on December 07, 2012, 08:59:14 AM
I'm sticking with UA 923 leaving LHR at 7:40 am and arriving at Washington Dulles At 11:15 am. :cmas3
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on December 07, 2012, 09:06:34 AM
I'm sticking with UA 923 leaving LHR at 7:40 am and arriving at Washington Dulles At 11:15 am. :cmas3


I am thinking the same thing. I get the feeling that they spent the night at Heathrow, like they did in TAR15.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Leafsfan on December 07, 2012, 10:09:39 AM
If London is confirmed why are teams going through Manchester?
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on December 07, 2012, 10:33:02 AM
If London is confirmed why are teams going through Manchester?

Manchester is a large airport. It had some interesting direct flights to the USA. It also has lots of flights to London Heathrow if seat availability on the Belfast-London flights were a problem.

Belfast has two airports to use. Belfast International (BFS) and Belfast City Airport (BHD).
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Leafsfan on December 07, 2012, 10:41:11 AM
If London is confirmed why are teams going through Manchester?

Manchester is a large airport. It had some interesting direct flights to the USA. It also has lots of flights to London Heathrow if seat availability on the Belfast-London flights were a problem.

Belfast has two airports to use. Belfast International (BFS) and Belfast City Airport (BHD).

London as a leg. Idk I am not a transportation expert but wouldn't it make sense to do a leg in London and fly out of there as opposed to travelling up to Manchester and taking a flight?
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 07, 2012, 12:49:00 PM
We do not yet KNOW that they did a London leg...all spec without a sighting.

Manchester was just a thought, I fly in/out of there a lot. Seemed like a good place to check.

BUT based on arr times, Chateau's flight looks like  :winner
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: theschnauzers on December 07, 2012, 01:04:51 PM
International flights will go to Dulles and not Ronald Reagan Washington National; I wouldn't use Baltimore-Washington International to get to downtown D.C.
Thought this should be pointed out since D.C., like NYC, has three airports.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on December 07, 2012, 04:35:31 PM
Working backwards, the first flight into IAD from any UK airport accessible this morning is UA923 LHR IAD 0730 1042

Next working backward, we can see that using BFS, SNN, DUB or MAN do not allow early enough flights directly into Heathrow this morning. That means teams had to fly in last night. I have checked on the alternatives. Manchester as a connection point makes no sense because of the early flight yesterday required from Belfast. There are multiple flights from Shannon or Dublin to Heathrow, but they would require ground transportation to get from Belfast to either one. The logical and sensible approach and therefore the one probably taken was to fly out of Belfast City Airport (BHD). Here is the latest flight last night:

BA1421 BHD LHR 1945 2106

Teams either stayed the night at Heathrow or got a local hotel.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Chateau d If on December 07, 2012, 04:50:04 PM
The flight to Washington DC Dulles was noted earlier.

Also, I think Thursday December 6th was a standard full and complete leg in London.

So they went Northern Ireland to London on the 5th or the 6th.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: theschnauzers on December 07, 2012, 04:54:20 PM
If my guess about the Naval Observatory as a finish line is anywhere close, then the possibility of teams going to the Greenwich Observatory in London would be a possibility as well.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: ZouLy on December 07, 2012, 05:02:42 PM
If my guess about the Naval Observatory as a finish line is anywhere close, then the possibility of teams going to the Greenwich Observatory in London would be a possibility as well.

Mount Vernon has became the most-talked destination for now, and one of our member went there and get kicked out of the very tight security guards..

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: TARFansurvivor on January 04, 2013, 11:59:01 AM
Do we know how they went from Scotland to Northern Ireland, did they went with boat????
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on January 05, 2013, 07:36:16 AM
TARFanSurvivor,

You have posed a very interesting question. Let's first examine the possible flights from Edinburgh to both of Belfast's airports on December 5:

EDI BFS U2 482 0657 0742
EDI BFS U2 488 1639 1711
EDI BFS U2 492 2059 2139

EDI BHD BE 682 0731 0801
EDI BHD BE 688 1536 1609
EDI BHD BE 690 1849 1912

There is a reasonable spread of flight opportunities except between 730am and 330pm.

Let's examine how use of the Sterna FASTLINK ferry combined with the Citybus/Ulsterbus would work.

First there is a 3.5 hour bus ride from Edinburgh to Cairnryan on the southwest tip of Scotland. Those schedules are designed to mesh with all ferries except the 4am ferry. Here is the schedule of ferries, each of which takes 2 1/4 hours for the crossing from Cairnryan to Belfast:

0400
0730
1130
1530
1930
2330

So, my bottom line is that AR22 teams could have taken the bus/ferry combination, but most likely they took a flight.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on January 18, 2013, 07:29:51 AM
It appears that teams did fly from Heathrow to Dulles, which leaves the issue of "How did they get to Heathrow and do tasks in London?" Here are the flights on December 6 which would answered that first question (all these are BHD LHR 6 December):

0645 0757
0719 0831
0911 1006
1212 1322
1354 1550
1445 1555
1718 1807
1825 1953
1945 2106
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on February 01, 2013, 11:19:55 AM
I have taken another look at dates most likely for leaving Maun and going across the pond nonstop to Sao Paulo from Johannesburg. Follow this logic:

Teams cannot arrive before Nov. 26 (yesterday) into Maun if flying nonstop HKG JNB on either:
 CX749 2350 0637+1 (today, Nov. 27th)
 SA287 2347 0713+1

Then the choices to Maun JNB MUB were:
BP212 1140 1320
4Z8310 1155 1345

I expect that this leg or two legs will take 48 hours in Maun. That means these flights back MUB JNB:
BP211 1420 1600
4Z8301 1400 1540

There is the rub, as there is no late afternoon flight to Sao Paulo on Thursdays. Teams will have a layover there until Friday morning Nov. 29:

JNB GRU SA222 1010 1630



We have new information reported by ovalorange that the flight from Johannesburg to Maun was at 4pm on Sunday Nov. 25. However, it appears that there was no such flight JNB MUB.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on February 18, 2013, 01:06:10 PM
Most of this information was provided earlier in this thread by Kandace, but it is worth duplicating here:

first group of 5 teams gets on Nov. 13 TN101 LAX PPT 2254 0602+1
second group of 6 teams gets Nov. 14 AF76 LAX PPT 0101 0656   

They arrived 54 minutes apart.

There are 4 different Air Tahiti flights PPT BOB, but the only pair that meets the criterion of being 1 hour apart is:
TN402 0900 0950
TN452 1000 1050
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on February 25, 2013, 09:18:07 AM
Leg 2 finished on the morning of Nov. 15. Leg 3 involves flying to Papeete, Tahiti and connecting there to fly on to Auckland and then Christchurch. Here are the possible flights:

11/15 BOB PPT VT294 1145 1235
         BOB PPT VT474 1200 1250
         BOB PPT VT465 1830 1920
         BOB PPT VT404 1845 1935

11/16 PPT AKL NZ41  0455 (almost 3 hours late) 0947 (almost 3 hours late)

         AKL CHC there are 13 flights from noon to midnight     
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on March 04, 2013, 09:54:54 AM
The actual flights with actual departure times corresponding to the scheduled (not actual) departure times from Auckland to Christchurch on Nov. 16 were:

NZ547 1720 1842
NZ545 1802 1926
NZ553 1927 2050

There was one additional flight NZ549 at 1914, but apparently it was full or Chuck and Wynona should have been able to get it.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on March 04, 2013, 11:00:32 AM
I estimate all teams completed the Christchurch area leg before noon and reached the CHC airport before noon. Basic route options to reach Bali were CHC MEL PER DPS or CHC SYD DPS. Here are the flight combinations that would fit the time frames:

QF769 CHC MEL 1232 1325 connecting with GA725 MEL PER 1435 1810 connecting with QZ8417 PER DPS 2051 0024+1

QF46  CHC SYD 1420 1553 connecting with  JQ37  SYD DPS 1800 2132             
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on March 04, 2013, 11:23:49 AM
Too early Apskip. We know front-runner teams Dave/Connor and Pamela/Winnie (second place!) went through Melbourne and Perth on these flights:

DJ 63 (19 1608-1735, sch 1600-1750) from Christchurch to Melbourne
Dave/Connor: QF 653 (19 2033-2129, sch 2015-2120) from Melbourne to Perth
Pamela/Winnie: DJ 697 (19 2131-2247, sch 2000-2105) from Melbourne to Perth
QZ 8411 (20 0438-0825, sch 0450-0830) from Perth to Bali

Max/Katie also arrived in Bali at the same time. The simplest method is:
EK 419 (19 1653-1808, sch 1655-1815) from Christchurch to Sydney OR
DJ 73 (19 1700-1831, sch 1700-1830) from Christchurch to Sydney
DJ 569 (19 2013-2203, sch 2000-2200) from Sydney to Perth
QZ 8411 (20 0438-0825, sch 0450-0830) from Perth to Bali

Joey/Meghan and at least one other team were sighted exiting the Bali airport parking lot at 11am. There are two flights arriving from Singapore within the hour, and plenty of ways to get from Christchurch to Auckland. I think there should be enough flights for no team to get left behind:
From Christchurch to Singapore
EK 419 (19 1653-1808, sch 1655-1815) from Christchurch to Sydney
SQ 242 (19 1932-0028, sch 1910-0015) from Sydney to Singapore
OR
JQ 166 (19 2046-2218, sch 2100-2240) from Christchurch to Melbourne
SQ 218 (20 0109-0542, sch 0105-0540) from Melbourne to Singapore
OR
NZ 546 (19 1931-2047, sch 1935-2055) from Christchurch to Auckland
SQ 282 (20 0102-0633, sch 0105-0635) from Auckland to Singapore
From Singapore to Bali
VF 241 (20 0759-, sch 0725-1005) from Singapore to Bali
GA 841 (20 0815-, sch 0750-1035) from Singapore to Bali

Some (but not all) less efficient itineraries, if best flights are full
From Christchurch via Melbourne or Sydney to Perth as above
GA 727 (20 0713-, sch 0713-1100) from Perth to Bali
OR
From Christchurch via Auckland, Sydney, or Melbourne to Singapore as above
QZ 8499 (20 0931-1208, sch 0915-1205) from Singapore to Bali

TL;DR: Dave/Connor, Pamela/Winnie, and Max/Katie are first arriving in Bali. The majority of teams is likely to arrive two hours later on one of two flights via Singapore.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on March 04, 2013, 03:55:22 PM
And can I just say that trying to get all those airports covered on 10 seconds notice about killed me. 3 day leg indeed.  :lol3:
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: claude_24hrs on March 04, 2013, 05:21:54 PM
Apskip, teams were actually flown from Auckland to Christchurch in different flights on November 18th, not 16th.

The flights of the said destination were the teams got booked (all on the 18th):

Pam/Winnie: NZ547 (1706-1830, scheduled 1700-1820)

Jessica/John, Mona/Beth, Joey/Meghan, Dave/Connor, Max/Katie: NZ543 (1738-1901, scheduled 1730-1850)

Caroline/Jennifer, Bates/Anthony actually booked a flight to Wellington for making a connection to Christchurch:
NZ463 (1802-1902, scheduled 1800-1900) from Auckland to Wellington
NZ367 (1933-2022, scheduled 1930-2015) from Wellington to Christchurch

Chuck/Wynona: NZ553 (1938-2104, scheduled 1930-2050)

Note: Sunset in Christchurch on November 18th was 8:38 pm local time.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on March 06, 2013, 10:06:45 AM
Claude,

New information from the press in New Zealand (Plaidmoon Re: TAR 22 Ep 3 "Like James Bond Again"
Reply #119 on: Today at 09:23:10 AM ) does indeed support your dates. The only way you can fit what the article (posted today in a thread higher on this AR22 superthread) is the following:

TN101 depart PPT 17Nov 0805 arrive Auckland 18Nov due to crossing the International Date Line (which I had figured into my earlier calculations) 1525, 2.5 hours delayed

Then the choices for Sunday afternoon and evening AKL CHC were:
NZ547 1701 1830
NZ553 1758 1921
NZ557 1849 2014
NZ553 1930 2104

It appears that there was no way any of the teams could have gone further than the tenting area that night due to their clearing the airport and driving 1 hour to the Rakaia Gorge. If the original schedule of 2.5 hours earlier into Auckland had happened, all teams could have finished leg 3 and then slept in the same tents at the same time, leaving directly for CHC airport in the morning after a "normal" checkin and release.

I don't know for sure if World Race Productions had to change leg 3 to end with a TBC, but it certain appears likely.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on March 09, 2013, 09:10:10 AM
Earlier flight work for DPS to HAN by both Neobie and me on this thread ignored the most obvious possibility. That is this flight combination:

Nov. 22 QZ8498 DPS SIN 0602 0730 connecting to SQ176 SIN HAN 1001 1215

There are some later flight connections:
QZ8496 DPS SIN 0918 1150 connecting to VN662 1352 1525
SQ941  DPS SIN 0907 1139 connecting to VN662 1352 1525
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Neobie on March 09, 2013, 09:40:36 AM
Too early, Apskip.

From the spoiler team in Indonesia teams checked in relatively close to one another, and teams beginning Leg 5 were spotted only later in the morning leaving to Hanoi.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: claude_24hrs on March 10, 2013, 03:41:14 AM
Apskip, B/A and C/J weren't in the NZ557 flight from Auckland to Christchruch. According to ZouLy's post at live sightings thread back in November, they were both actually on a two separate flights from Auckland to Wellington and Wellington to Christchurch (see my post above).

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,28045.msg816475.html#msg816475 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,28045.msg816475.html#msg816475)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on March 17, 2013, 02:20:00 PM
I am trying to reconcile different dates for the flight combinations from Hanoi to Africa. The departure date could be as early as Nov. 23 if these flights were taken:

If Nov. 23 it could be: HAN HKG QR6880 1725 2121 or HX9016 1900 2200
If Nov. 24 it could be: HAN HKG 529 1935 2230 or HX9016 2003 2237

The connection HKG JNB would be:
for Nov. 23 SA287 2341 0711+1 or CX749 2345 0641+1
for Nov. 24 SA287 2345 0711+1 or CX749 2345 0635+1

The connection JNB MUB would be:
for Nov. 24  or Nov. 25 BP212 1140 1320 or 4Z8300 1145 1325

The return MUB JNB would be most likely on Nov. 26 or 27 be:
4Z8301 1400 1540 or BP211 1420 1600

I remember that there were actual sightings at HKG which would confirm the date for the flights going west and others at JNB which would confirm the date for the flights going north. If anyone can provide those, it would save me a lot of trouble sifting through that thread to find them.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on March 17, 2013, 04:14:58 PM
But we KNOW the dates for one group anyway?  Check the Timeline for goodies like these, Dom usually has the links to the relevant info there, should all be in the next page or two.

 
 KA296: HAN > HKG @ 1045 - 1335

Quote
samantha kuhr
 ‏@samanthakuhr 4h @peachrff we flew Dragon Air flight296 at 10.45 from Hanoi. Sitting in airport with them now. I think they're heading to Africa #amazingrace

 3:22 AM - 24 Nov 12

@peachrff lots of blondes! #hongkong #amazingrace we're leaving now for #losangeles
(that would be her not them)
 Tweet 3:23 AM - 24 Nov 12 (my time)

Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on March 18, 2013, 12:25:48 PM
Peach,

That is one I believe a sighting for 2 or 3 teams. What about the rest of them? It is possible that all teams got the same flights, but that bunching on the same first flight is not typical for this stage of an Amazing Race.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on March 18, 2013, 12:46:41 PM
That's right. They are are on diff flights we believe, But close, not days apart.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on March 25, 2013, 02:03:17 PM
The connection HKG JNB after the opening flight KA296 HAN HKG would after a 10 hour wait in Hong Kong airport be:

for Nov. 23 SA287 2341 0711+1 or CX749 2345 0641+1
for Nov. 24 SA287 2345 0711+1 or CX749 2345 0635+1

The connection JNB MUB would be:
for Nov. 24 or Nov. 25 BP212 1140 1320 or 4Z8300 1145 1325

It is now apparent that all of episode 7 stays in Botswana. That means that the flights out starting episode 8 will almost certainly be  MUB JNB would be most likely on Nov. 26 or 27:

4Z8301 1400 1540 or BP211 1420 1600

The question of whether the sighting in Switzerland is real or teams go directly to Berlin. I don't know but am going to dig up the prior research on this and add some of my own.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Alenaveda on March 25, 2013, 02:12:28 PM
The connection HKG JNB after the opening flight KA296 HAN HKG would after a 10 hour wait in Hong Kong airport be:

for Nov. 23 SA287 2341 0711+1 or CX749 2345 0641+1
for Nov. 24 SA287 2345 0711+1 or CX749 2345 0635+1

The connection JNB MUB would be:
for Nov. 24 or Nov. 25 BP212 1140 1320 or 4Z8300 1145 1325

It is now apparent that all of episode 7 stays in Botswana. That means that the flights out starting episode 8 will almost certainly be  MUB JNB would be most likely on Nov. 26 or 27:

4Z8301 1400 1540 or BP211 1420 1600

The question of whether the sighting in Switzerland is real or teams go directly to Berlin. I don't know but am going to dig up the prior research on this and add some of my own.

Apskip:

Thanks to Paldog!!


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Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on March 25, 2013, 02:43:42 PM
There is an Insider vid saying that teams travelled for 4 days getting to Botswana. :ascared
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Declive on March 25, 2013, 02:44:43 PM
Whaaat? We could have Leg 10 in Edinburgh and Leg 11 in Northern Ireland?
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on March 25, 2013, 02:47:39 PM
OR...that could be a double leg. Unknown, except by our dates...
Title: Re: TAR22 Transportation
Post by: Chateau d If on March 25, 2013, 02:48:55 PM
There is an Insider vid saying that teams travelled for 4 days getting to Botswana. :ascared

Good thing Wynona took a nap in Hong Kong!
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on March 25, 2013, 03:13:52 PM
There is an Insider vid saying that teams travelled for 4 days getting to Botswana. :ascared

Peach, thanks for directing me to the Insider video with Katie stating "it took us 4 days and 6 flights to get to Maun." I say that's rubbish, as that would be highly unlikely from what we know about flights! The Amazing Line for flights on last night's telecast  showed HAN to HKG to JNB. With the actual flight information for the relevant dates and those routes I cited above, here is what I believe happened:

Nov. 23 (although everything could be moved one day if there was some extended pit stop we do not know about and cannot take into account - HAN HKG
Nov. 23 - departure HKG (same comment)
Nov. 24 - arrival JNB and transfer JNB MUB arriving early afternoon (same comment); there was obviously an overnight in Maun although I would have flown them out to the Makgadikgali Pans and made them sleep on cots!
Nov. 25 - final flight MUB to Xhumaga airstrip departing between 9am and 930am

That's exactly 4 flights, with it very unlikely that any alternate routes from HKG to JNB were used. It happened in total elapsed time of an apparent 47 hours plus the time zone difference of 5 hours between HKG and MUB, for a real total of approximately 52 hours in route. That's not 4 days no matter how you look at it.

Perhaps Katie was adding in the overnight hours in Hanoi, but that still would not get it to more than 63 hours (2.7 days).
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on March 25, 2013, 03:39:03 PM
Thanks, Alanevada for providing the sequence of future legs. Here are the flights JNB nonstop to ZRH:

Nov. 27 LX289 2038 0610+1 or
Nov. 28 LX289 2102 0616+1

From there, I expect that trains would be taken to almost everywhere in Switzerland that leg 8 went to.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on March 25, 2013, 06:04:42 PM
There is an Insider vid saying that teams travelled for 4 days getting to Botswana. :ascared

Peach, thanks for directing me to the Insider video with Katie stating "it took us 4 days and 6 flights to get to Maun." I say that's rubbish, as that would be highly unlikely from what we know about flights! The Amazing Line for flights on last night's telecast  showed HAN to HKG to JNB. With the actual flight information for the relevant dates and those routes I cited above, here is what I believe happened:

Nov. 23 (although everything could be moved one day if there was some extended pit stop we do not know about and cannot take into account - HAN HKG
Nov. 23 - departure HKG (same comment)
Nov. 24 - arrival JNB and transfer JNB MUB arriving early afternoon (same comment); there was obviously an overnight in Maun although I would have flown them out to the Makgadikgali Pans and made them sleep on cots!
Nov. 25 - final flight MUB to Xhumaga airstrip departing between 9am and 930am

That's exactly 4 flights, with it very unlikely that any alternate routes from HKG to JNB were used. It happened in total elapsed time of an apparent 47 hours plus the time zone difference of 5 hours between HKG and MUB, for a real total of approximately 52 hours in route. That's not 4 days no matter how you look at it.

Perhaps Katie was adding in the overnight hours in Hanoi, but that still would not get it to more than 63 hours (2.7 days).

remember we have the ACTUAL flight and DATE used HAN>>HK

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,28045.msg818041.html#msg818041

I quoted all times as it happened in my time, should be an easy conversion. :tup:
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on March 26, 2013, 08:36:16 AM
Peach:

"Nov. 23 (although everything could be moved one day if there was some extended pit stop we do not know about and cannot take into account) - HAN HKG

So you can change all the dates I cited to one day later and all the flights still work plus there are additional flights in each of the same time frame going on the same routes:

HAN HKG
KA296 1055 1333 or WN592 1040 1322

HKG JNB
SA287 2333 0644+1 or CX749 2345 0620+1

We do not have precise times for JNB MUB, just these schedules for every day:  BP212 1140 1320 or 4Z8300 1145 1325

We can assume that leg 6 did not reach Maun until Nov. 26 and with leg 27 probably beginning early on Nov. 27 leg 8 could not be earlier than Nov. 28. If there was an extended pit stop in Africa, then it could have been Nov. 29.

Fights MUB JNB are the same schedules for Nov. 28 and Nov. 29; we have those as 4Z8301 1400 1540 or BP211 1420 1600

We now have the nonstop flight JNB ZRH as Nov. 28 LX289 2102 0616+1 or Nov. 29 LX289 2048 0611+1
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Chateau d If on March 26, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
There is an Insider vid saying that teams travelled for 4 days getting to Botswana. :ascared

Peach, thanks for directing me to the Insider video with Katie stating "it took us 4 days and 6 flights to get to Maun." I say that's rubbish, as that would be highly unlikely from what we know about flights! The Amazing Line for flights on last night's telecast  showed HAN to HKG to JNB. With the actual flight information for the relevant dates and those routes I cited above, here is what I believe happened:

Nov. 23 (although everything could be moved one day if there was some extended pit stop we do not know about and cannot take into account - HAN HKG
Nov. 23 - departure HKG (same comment)
Nov. 24 - arrival JNB and transfer JNB MUB arriving early afternoon (same comment); there was obviously an overnight in Maun although I would have flown them out to the Makgadikgali Pans and made them sleep on cots!
Nov. 25 - final flight MUB to Xhumaga airstrip departing between 9am and 930am

That's exactly 4 flights, with it very unlikely that any alternate routes from HKG to JNB were used. It happened in total elapsed time of an apparent 47 hours plus the time zone difference of 5 hours between HKG and MUB, for a real total of approximately 52 hours in route. That's not 4 days no matter how you look at it.

Perhaps Katie was adding in the overnight hours in Hanoi, but that still would not get it to more than 63 hours (2.7 days).

I believe the four day comment is valid when you consider it as the number of calendar days touched in the process of getting from Hanoi to the first task of the leg.

November 23rd:  Teams are released beginning at 10:40 pm
November 24th:  Teams take their flights from HAN to HKG (and HKG to JNB with its takeoff at 11:45 pm)
November 25th:  Teams land at JNB and take their flights to MUB and spending the night waiting for the charter flights in the morning
November 26th:  Teams take their charter flights starting at 9:00 am

There!  Four days.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on March 26, 2013, 12:06:25 PM
Chateau,
Is the glass half empty or half full? It depends on how you look at it. Although Katie and you are technically correct that 4 total days (one for only 26 minutes) were involved, it was still only 2.7 days elapsed time. I find what you and Katie are stating very misleading.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: theschnauzers on March 27, 2013, 12:02:14 AM
Another element to consider is the number of time zones involved in the travel. That's more of a subjective sense for the racers actually doing the traveling.

Which is a roundabout way of saying that for the teams, it must have felt like four days of travel, and teams would have had to get ready for their release from the pit stop in Hanoi, especially if they got to sleep during their rest period. So I can understand that perception of four days in the comment.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on April 01, 2013, 11:14:13 AM
Here is possibilities for what could happen once teams reach Zurich airport (the obvious entry point into Switzerland since the nonstops arrived at 0610 on Nov. 28 and 0616 on Nov. 29):

trains to Brig:
dep. Zurich airport 0813 arrive Brig 1031
                              0840                  1102
                              0843                  1102 (change in Bern)   

trains to Visp (obviously the same ones):
dep. Zurich airport 0813 arrive Visp 1040
dep.                       0840 arrive         1112
dep.                       0843 arrive         1112 (change in Bern)
and the same pattern at :40 and :43 after each hour

 
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on April 01, 2013, 11:25:03 AM
Updated flight schedules on Nov 28/29, 2013.

Maun to Johannesburg
4z 8301   2:00pm to 3:40 pm
BP 211     2:20 pm to 4:00pm

Johannesburg to Zurich
LX 289   8:25pm to 6:10am (arriving on Nov 29th)

Train to Interlaken from Zurich Airport
1) 6:40 am to 8:51 am
2) 7:13 am to 9:28 am
3) 7:13 am to 9:51 am
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Mattjimf on April 02, 2013, 04:16:06 AM
Possible flights from Edinburgh to Belfast on 4th December (if the Edinburgh/Belfast legs are keep racing legs):
Belfast International:
BFS Belfast   U2 488   easyJet    4:30 PM    4:23 PM       Landed   On-time    319   
BFS Belfast   U2 492   easyJet    9:05 PM    9:03 PM       Landed   On-time    319   

Belfast City:
BHD Belfast   BE 688   FlyBE    3:25 PM    3:31 PM       Landed   On-time    DH4   
BHD Belfast   BE 690   FlyBE    6:30 PM    7:32 PM       Landed   49 min    DH4   
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on April 03, 2013, 08:38:36 AM
Updated flight schedules on Nov 28/29, 2013.

Maun to Johannesburg
4z 8301   2:00pm to 3:40 pm
BP 211     2:20 pm to 4:00pm

Johannesburg to Zurich
LX 289   8:25pm to 6:10am (arriving on Nov 29th)

Train to Interlaken from Zurich Airport
1) 6:40 am to 8:51 am
2) 7:13 am to 9:28 am
3) 7:13 am to 9:51 am


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Actually, Dr. Rox, there is nothing "updated" about your schedules. The Maun to Johannesburg schedule (no actual available as we both know) remain as I stated them in post 147 above.

The Johannesburg to Zurich schedule for departure Nov. 28 and arrival Nov. 29 is LX289 2102 0616+1. That's only 6 minutes arrival time different and 37 minutes departure time different, but your revision is not correct.

The big problem I have with your update is with your using train times from 24 minutes and 57 minutes for arrival inside the plane in Zurich airport. Switzerland has been a Schwengen system member since 12 December 2008. Entry into the Schwengen system is a little bit more rigorous since once inside it travelers can cross European borders with minimal delay (that applies to Zurich to Berlin flights coming up in leg 9). I can see SwissRail departures from Zurich airport to be maybe as early as 743am, but not before. Arrival times for that would be one hour earlier than I posted for 843am and at 957am in Interlaken Ost. The question of where teams are going for the leg 8 tasks is moot from a train departure standpoint if the current ideas on the table (Brig or Visp from me and Interlaken Ost or West from you) are correct.
 
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on April 12, 2013, 03:41:34 PM
I have started my analysis of how teams might have gotten from Zurich to Berlin. The most obvious way is ot fly from Zurich but which airports might you fly to. Berlin has these airports:

BER Brandenburg
EDBT Allstedt
GWW Gatow (an RAF facility)
SFX Schoenfield
TWF Tempelhof
TXL Tegel

Well, one of the things that you learn as a by-product of doing Amazing Race transportation research is that from Zurich, the only airport you can fly directly to is Tegel. I am not sure whether there was an extended pit stop in Switzerland. If I were designing a race I would certainly put one there (as well as one in Botswana). It is likely that teams ran leg 8 on Nov. 29, so they would be ready to head for Berlin on Nov. 30 or likely Dec. 1. Here are the actual flights ZRH to TXL on both dates:

Nov. 30
AB8121 0652 0819
EDW974 0725 0901
LX976   0850 0851
AB8529 1042 1208
LH966  1240 1403
LX970  1649 1812
AB8319 1721 1846
LX978  1748 1912
AB8199 1952 2107
LH962   2040 2210
AB8175 2125 2255


Dec. 1
AB8121 0642 0801
EDW974 0725 0855
LX976   0850 1018
LH566  1240 1401
AB8211 1452 1611
LH970   1631 1748
LX978   1745 1906
LH962   2040 2159
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on April 12, 2013, 04:42:47 PM
It is possible, although in my judgment unlikely, that teams may be required to use train travel to get from Zurich to Berlin. There are trains on every hour from 6am to 4pm. All require 1 or 2 changes. for the ones on the even-numbered hour, the change is typically at Hannover. For ones on odd numbers, the change is typically at Basel. One of the trains changes at Basel and Frankfurt and one at Basel and Hannover. The duration of the on-the-hour departures from Zurich varies from 8 hours 4 minutes to 8 hours 25 minutes.

If I were designing this Amazing Race leg 9, I would have teams fly.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on April 14, 2013, 10:55:47 PM
The statement for leg 8 that teams arrived Zurich around 2pm makes it hard to back-calculate how this was done. The first flights Maun to JNB were as stated in an earlier post, 2pm and 220pm departures. I already knew that the nonstops to Zurich arrived at 0610 on Nov. 29 or at 0616 on Nov. 30, also stated in an earlier post.

That left be searching for alternate routes that would land on those dates in Zurich around 2pm and the answer to that was the null set. I tried connecting in Addis Ababa, Cairo, Munich, Frankfurt, Paris-CDG and Rome. Nothing got to Zurich at the stated time. The only one remotely close was via AMS. Here are the flights:

dep. JNB 11/28 0000+1 arr. AMS 1014+1  or dep. JNB 11/29 2358 arr. AMS 1016+1
Connections are on AMS ZRH 11/29  WA1959 1204 1324  or 11/30 1201 1322
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on April 15, 2013, 01:39:42 AM
I have started my analysis of how teams might have gotten from Zurich to Berlin. The most obvious way is ot fly from Zurich but which airports might you fly to. Berlin has these airports:

BER Brandenburg
EDBT Allstedt
GWW Gatow (an RAF facility)
SFX Schoenfield
TWF Tempelhof
TXL Tegel


BER Brandenburg--under construction, no fligts land here at this time. Possible opening in 2014 or later.
EDBT Allstedt--no commerical flights since the 1920s when Templehof opened. A research center since then to the 1950s. Berlin's first airport, opened in 1909
GWW Gatow (an RAF facility)--Cold War British zone airfield, closed in 1995
SFX Schoenfield--East German/Soviet Berlin airfield. Operates today and will close when Brandenburg is completed. One runway will be come part of Brandenburg Airport. The Schoenfield terminal will become a German Govt. VIP terminal.
TWF Tempelhof--Cold War American zone airfield, closed in 2008.
TXL Tegel--Cold War French Zone airfield. Operates today, it will close when Brandenburg is opened. It has most of all the commerical flights into Berlin at this time.

There are only two commerical airports in Berlin at present, Tegel and Schoenfield. As apskip stated, only Tegel receives flights from Zurich. Tegel is located in north central Berlin.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: maf on April 17, 2013, 01:07:11 AM
That left be searching for alternate routes that would land on those dates in Zurich around 2pm and the answer to that was the null set. I tried connecting in Addis Ababa, Cairo, Munich, Frankfurt, Paris-CDG and Rome. Nothing got to Zurich at the stated time. The only one remotely close was via AMS.

How about via London.
 BA56 JNB-LHR Nov-28 20:20-05:07+1
 BA714 LHR-ZRH Nov-29 12:01-14:49 (was 0:49 late)

This combination is the most probably one I have found. It fits nicely with taking the train from Zurich at 15:40. Sure, there were two earlier flights from London in the day, but they may have been full.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on April 17, 2013, 06:04:02 AM
maf,

As Professor Henry Higgins was fond of saying "I think you've got it." I looked at 7 different connections and reported the closest one, Amsterdam. The Nov. 29th London-Heathrow to Zurich flight does not match well with the time required for Schengen zone initial entry, finding the rail station and buying a ticket at 51 minutes in Zurich. However, the flight on Nov. 30th is almost a perfect fit with what a match with reported time on the telecast requires:

11/30 BA714 1118 1402

The UK has not joined the Schengen zone, which means that passengers from outside the zone on this itinerary would be screened for it in Zurich.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on April 17, 2013, 10:03:34 PM
That is some terrific detective work, maf!!!
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: maf on April 18, 2013, 06:02:19 AM
finding the rail station and buying a ticket at 51 minutes in Zurich. However, the flight on Nov. 30th is almost a perfect fit with what a match with reported time on the telecast requires:

11/30 BA714 1118 1402

The problem with that is that we have strong indications that teams did race in Grindelwald on the 30th. Phil was spotted on that date and we see that date filmed at least once in the episode (as teams arrive at Kleine Scheidegg). This means they had to arrive in Zurich on the 29th.

So the question is if it is probable that teams managed to catch the 15.40 train when their delayed flight landed at 14:49. I believe that this is possible with a bit of luck, short immigration lines and no checked luggage.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on April 18, 2013, 08:30:16 PM
The problem with that is that we have strong indications that teams did race in Grindelwald on the 30th. Phil was spotted on that date and we see that date filmed at least once in the episode (as teams arrive at Kleine Scheidegg). This means they had to arrive in Zurich on the 29th.

So the question is if it is probable that teams managed to catch the 15.40 train when their delayed flight landed at 14:49. I believe that this is possible with a bit of luck, short immigration lines and no checked luggage.

Looking at Zurich arrivals on Nov 29......there was a non Shengen flight one hour before and a small non Shengan flight about 30 minutes(2:18) before that flight arrived at 2:49. I wouldn't think that there would be much of a line by the time our racers arrived. Seems to me to be plenty of time to clear immigration/customs and get a train.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on April 21, 2013, 07:10:13 AM
The train schedulles going up to Jungfraujoch make it clear which trains teams would have been on:

dep. Grindelwald 0947
arr. Kleine Scheidegg 1017
dep. Kleine Scheidegg 1100
arr. Jungfraujoch 1152

I have been trying to track down a schedule for stops and pickups at the Eigerwand "flag stop". I did not get off there when I visited but remember it as not a real station, just a point where passengers got off or on to view the Gletschsglacier. Here are the train schedules for afternoon from Jungfraujoch down to Grindelwald Grund station:

depart  Jungfraujoch   arrive Kleine Scheidegg   depart Kleine Scheidegg  arrive Grindelwald Grund

1200                                           1250                                  1303                               1335
1230                                           1320                                  1333                               1405 
1300                                           1350                                  1403                               1435 
1330                                           1420                                  1433                               1505
1400                                           1450                                  1503                               1535
1430                                           1520                                  1533                               1605
1500                                           1550                                  1603                               1635
1530                                           1620                                  1633                               1705

So all teams must have gotten on the first or second of these at Jungfraujoch and exited at Eigerwand minutes later. 4 teams would have reboarded the next train and arrived Grindelwald Grund. Joey/Meghan and Churck/Wynona would have been on the following train down.

When I look at the sunset for Grindelwald Nov. 29, 2011 (which I have to estimate based on a 7 minute offset from Geneva) it was at 445pm.
 
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on April 22, 2013, 09:38:24 AM
Swiss Railroads changed their schedules about once a year in December. So the scedules were changed after TAR used the railroads in Swizterland. The earliest train leaving Grindelwald is about 6:00 am.

The telecast showed teams going to Basel from Interlaken and then from Basel to Munich.This really doesnt make much sense. That makes it an ~8 hour trip to Munich. Most of the train connections go through Mannheim, Germany. It takes about 3 hours to ride the train from Mannheim to Munich. But Mannheim is only about 30 minutes from the Frankfurt airport by train.

I need to rewatch the program and see where Phil is....I dont remember him in Dresden.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on April 22, 2013, 02:40:59 PM
What the telecast for leg 9 showed on transportation makes perfect sense, as it was multi-modal. Here is what teams did:

Left Grindelwald on the 526am train
arrived Interlaken Ost about 6am
departed Interlaken Ost with min. layover
arrive Basel 734am

switched to fly to Munich IQ2393 BSL MUC 0920 1035
connect in Munich to fly to Dresden CL2104 MUC DRS 1120 1223

So teams would take taxis to the Ministry of Finance and reach their FORD FOCUS cars about 1pm. 
100 miles Dresden to Berlin means arrival there around 3pm.

Editor's note - an alternate approach has been suggested based on the pit stop release really being in Interlaken. The train schedule for an early train from Interlaken West to Basel was:
depart Interlaken West 0526am
arrive Basel 0729am

That is only a slight difference in Basel arrival time and the flight schedule would remain the same.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on April 22, 2013, 04:31:23 PM
Only flights connecting at Amsterdam or London-Heathrow make sense to me. I have all the flight schedules below.

Here are the possible flights on Dec. 3 from Berlin-Tegel to Amsterdam (TXL AMS):

KL1818   0555 0718
WA1822 1006 1148
KL1824   1413 1535
KL1826   1329 1546


Here are the flights on Dec. 3 from Berlin-Tegel to London Heathrow (TXL LHR):

BA981   0709 0802
LH3372 0739 0829
BA993   1225 1343
LH3374 1243 1344
BA983   1405 1511
BA985   1637 1740
LH3376  1751 1857
BA987    1940 2039

Possible connections for AMS EDI are:

WA1277  0758 0821
KL1879   1025 1137
U2 6922   1307 1336
WA1887  1220 1250
KL1285    1622 1640
KL1283    2127 2159
U2 6924   2144 2203

Possible connections for LHR EDI are:

BA1432    0638 0809
BA1434    0812 0929
BA1442    1050 1224
BA1444    1246 1408
BA1448    1434 1556
BA1446    1510 1632
BA1452    1550 1718
BA1454    1744 1907
BA1458    1834 1950
BA1456    1924 2041
BA1464    2158 2308   

The much heavier schedules make Heathrow a much more probable connecting point than Amsterdam.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: David on April 22, 2013, 04:41:19 PM
What time did the sun set in Berlin by those dates? I think it was between Max & Katie's arrival to the Brandenburg Gate and the Joey & Meghan one, I would say later than 3 PM, don't know. Think of all the driving in the city center of Berlin.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Mattjimf on April 22, 2013, 04:58:19 PM
Sunrise and sunset Berlin
Sunday, December 2, 2012

Morning astronomical twilight   05:51
Morning nautical twilight   06:33
Morning civil twilight   07:16
Sunrise   07:57
Transit   11:56
Sunset   15:55
Evening civil twilight   16:35
Evening nautical twilight   17:18
Evening astronomical twilight   18:00
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on April 22, 2013, 07:35:42 PM
I took a look at 4 other London area airports which offer flights to Edinburgh to see if they also receive flights nonstop from Tegel. London Center, Gatwick, Luton and Stansted do not have any flight arrivals form Tegel. Only Heathrow does have them.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: ruadhan on April 22, 2013, 07:53:57 PM
You're leaving out obvious information.... taking into account the info from the preview (i.e. a flight arriving at 4, a three hour lead and the fact that the teams were at a lufthansa desk), with a quick flight search lufthansa flight via frankfurt that arrives at 1 and another one via brussels that arrives at 4 are much more likely... No need to make it more complicated than it is apskip...
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: maf on April 23, 2013, 12:59:20 AM
What the telecast for leg 9 showed on transportation makes perfect sense, as it was multi-modal. Here is what teams did:

Left Grindelwald on the 526am train
arrived Interlaken Ost about 6am

I think teams started the leg in Interlaken. They started from the garden of a fairly large hotel, and there was green grass on the ground. Not snow-covered as it was in Grindelwald. And The train station they walk to is Interlaken West.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Mattjimf on April 23, 2013, 03:30:11 AM
Lufthansa flights arriving at Edinburgh Airport on 3rd December:
FRA Frankfurt   LH 962   Lufthansa    1:00 PM    1:13 PM       Landed   On-time    320   
BRU Brussels   LH 5624   Lufthansa    4:00 PM    3:40 PM       Landed   On-time    319   

The only other one was from Newark which I discounted.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on April 23, 2013, 05:14:12 AM
Thanks for the explanation apskip......I totally missed the fact that Basel now has scheduled flights. I have never considered it large enough to have those. I have spent time around there.....so bad pre-conceptions. I guess with post Shengen and Mulhouse right across the border in France gives it enough of a passenger base to have scheduled flights.

Again, kudos to you.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on April 23, 2013, 06:05:37 AM
What the telecast for leg 9 showed on transportation makes perfect sense, as it was multi-modal. Here is what teams did:

Left Grindelwald on the 526am train
arrived Interlaken Ost about 6am

I think teams started the leg in Interlaken. They started from the garden of a fairly large hotel, and there was green grass on the ground. Not snow-covered as it was in Grindelwald. And The train station they walk to is Interlaken West.
maf,
Why would World Race Productions record the time of 518am actual departure for the telecast if teams did not start from Grindelwald? This wouldn't be the first time WRP misrepresented the location of the pit stop release, but in this case I doubt that it was anywhere but Grindelwald in this case.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Alenaveda on April 23, 2013, 06:49:50 AM
What the telecast for leg 9 showed on transportation makes perfect sense, as it was multi-modal. Here is what teams did:

Left Grindelwald on the 526am train
arrived Interlaken Ost about 6am

I think teams started the leg in Interlaken. They started from the garden of a fairly large hotel, and there was green grass on the ground. Not snow-covered as it was in Grindelwald. And The train station they walk to is Interlaken West.
maf,
Why would World Race Productions record the time of 518am actual departure for the telecast if teams did not start from Grindelwald? This wouldn't be the first time WRP misrepresented the location of the pit stop release, but in this case I doubt that it was anywhere but Grindelwald in this case.

Apskip, the leg started in Interlaken, not in Grindewald. If you check on the logo of the taxi that Caroline and Jennifer took to reach the train station it clearly says Interlaken.

(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag91/Aleij1963/CAPSTAR22/Switzerland1_zpse84ca1d8.png) (http://s1300.photobucket.com/user/Aleij1963/media/CAPSTAR22/Switzerland1_zpse84ca1d8.png.html)

The taxi belongs to the A-Taxi-Maeder company, who is based in Interlaken.

(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag91/Aleij1963/CAPSTAR22/Mercedes-Maeder_zps1e655736.jpg) (http://s1300.photobucket.com/user/Aleij1963/media/CAPSTAR22/Mercedes-Maeder_zps1e655736.jpg.html)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: maf on April 23, 2013, 08:31:07 AM
Apskip, the leg started in Interlaken, not in Grindewald. If you check on the logo of the taxi that Caroline and Jennifer took to reach the train station it clearly says Interlaken.

There are other indications that the start was in Interlaken as well:
* There is green grass on the ground behind the teams when they start. Grindelwald had snow.
* Teams arrive to a closed Interlaken West train station
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Alenaveda on April 23, 2013, 08:39:12 AM
And when Anthony and Bates are asking the taxi driver for another cab, you can see the logo of the company:  Aare-Taxi,

(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag91/Aleij1963/CAPSTAR22/Switzerland2_zps776b6c70.png) (http://s1300.photobucket.com/user/Aleij1963/media/CAPSTAR22/Switzerland2_zps776b6c70.png.html)

and the telephone number, 0800 55 23 60.  That company is also Interlaken based.

(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag91/Aleij1963/CAPSTAR22/Switzerland3_zps7cfa27a3.png) (http://s1300.photobucket.com/user/Aleij1963/media/CAPSTAR22/Switzerland3_zps7cfa27a3.png.html)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on April 23, 2013, 08:44:12 AM
Well I agree with the Interlaken pit start. But it is only 12 miles from Interlaken to Grindelwald, so I see the possibility that taxis from Interlaken could be in Grindelwald as a normal course of the day. Heck, some of the drivers could live in Grindelwald. So that arguement doesnt do much for me.........the green grass beneath their feet when getting the clue is more important to me.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Alenaveda on April 23, 2013, 09:04:46 AM
Well I agree with the Interlaken pit start. But it is only 12 miles from Interlaken to Grindelwald, so I see the possibility that taxis from Interlaken could be in Grindelwald as a normal course of the day. Heck, some of the drivers could live in Grindelwald. So that arguement doesnt do much for me.........the green grass beneath their feet when getting the clue is more important to me.

I think that another key could be find the hotel where the teams go after leaving the Pit Start. The place were the hockey players and the roller derby moms asked for directions.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on April 23, 2013, 02:29:25 PM
I have been attempting to verify the question "Was there ground cover snow on November 30 in Grindelwald?" Historical snow reports have not been issued for the 2012/13 ski season. My efforts to find an answer have turned up only one gem - the pistes (ski runs) above Grindelwald were expected to open Nov. 17, 2012. That does not provide any resolution of what they were on the quite low elevation for Grindelwald itself.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Mattjimf on April 26, 2013, 08:40:24 AM
Possible flights from Berlin to Edinburgh:
Lufthansa:
Berlin > Frankfurt > Edinburgh
LH181 Depart Tegel 9:48am > arrive frankfurt 10:57am
LH 962 Depart Frankfurt 12:11pm > arrive Edinburgh 1:13pm

Berlin > Brussels > Edinburgh (code sharing on a Brussels Airline flight)
LH5564 Depart Tegel 12:27pm > arrive Brussels 1:47pm
LH5624 Depart Brussels 3:11pm > Arrive Edinburgh 3:40pm

Berlin > London > Edinburgh
BA991 Depart Berlin 10:55am > arrive Heathrow 12:06pm
BA1444 Depart Heathrow 12:46pm > arrive Edinburgh 2:08pm

There may be more permutations but I think the ones most likely. The Flight from Amsterdam that would have got in at 12:50pm was cancelled.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on April 29, 2013, 12:23:30 AM
Well the missing day, Dec 2  was an extended stay in Berlin.

Dec 3, 2012
Max/Katie, Bates/Anthony, Caroline/Jennifer
Berlin>Brussels>Edinburgh
SN 2592  6:45 - 8:05   Berlin to Brussels
BM 1628  9:55 - 10:40  Brussels to Edinbrugh

Beth/Mona, Joey/Meghan
Berlin>Frankfurt>Edinbrugh
Six flights from 6:00 to 11:00 am from Berlin to Frankfurt... LH flight #'s (171, 173, 175, 177, 179, 181)
LH 962  12:05 - 1:00 (1:13)
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on April 29, 2013, 07:58:46 AM
Well the missing day, Dec 2  was an extended stay in Berlin.

Dec 3, 2012
Max/Katie, Bates/Anthony, Caroline/Jennifer
Berlin>Brussels>Edinburgh
SN 2592  6:45 - 8:05   Berlin to Brussels
BM 1628  9:55 - 10:40  Brussels to Edinbrugh

Beth/Mona, Joey/Meghan
Berlin>Frankfurt>Edinbrugh
Six flights from 6:00 to 11:00 am from Berlin to Frankfurt... LH flight #'s (171, 173, 175, 177, 179, 181)
LH 962  12:05 - 1:00 (1:13)

I happen to think it could be one day later (Dec. 4) as a result of an extended stay in Switzerland, but that is insignificant as all flights in question are at about the same times. For December 4,

it is, due to both the flight info sign and to actual flight schedules from Tegel to Brussels, SN 2592 0645 0816 TXL BRU connecting to
BM1628 0955 1040.

The later arrival was quite hard to pin down. The originating flight to Frankfurt in the 0850 time frame as specified in the telecast narrative could be either LH177 0855 1001 TXL FRA  or  AB2597 0903 1013. It doesn't matter which it is, since both easily connect to:
 
LH1962 1150 1305 FRA EDI
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Mattjimf on April 29, 2013, 08:14:44 AM
Well the missing day, Dec 2  was an extended stay in Berlin.

Dec 3, 2012
Max/Katie, Bates/Anthony, Caroline/Jennifer
Berlin>Brussels>Edinburgh
SN 2592  6:45 - 8:05   Berlin to Brussels
BM 1628  9:55 - 10:40  Brussels to Edinbrugh

Beth/Mona, Joey/Meghan
Berlin>Frankfurt>Edinbrugh
Six flights from 6:00 to 11:00 am from Berlin to Frankfurt... LH flight #'s (171, 173, 175, 177, 179, 181)
LH 962  12:05 - 1:00 (1:13)

I happen to think it could be one day later (Dec. 4) as a result of an extended stay in Switzerland, but that is insignificant as all flights in question are at about the same times. For December 4,

it is, due to both the flight info sign and to actual flight schedules from Tegel to Brussels, SN 2592 0645 0816 TXL BRU connecting to
BM1628 0955 1040.

The later arrival was quite hard to pin down. The originating flight to Frankfurt in the 0850 time frame as specified in the telecast narrative could be either LH177 0855 1001 TXL FRA  or  AB2597 0903 1013. It doesn't matter which it is, since both easily connect to:
 
LH1962 1150 1305 FRA EDI
It can't have been on the 4th as we had live sighting of teams in Edinburgh on the 3rd
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Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Mattjimf on April 29, 2013, 08:25:29 AM
Train times Edinburgh to Stranraer:

Services(Showing all 6 services)
Dep     Arr    Ch Duration
07:01 10:50 2 3:49hrs
10:10 13:54 2 3:44hrs
12:50 16:36 1 3:46hrs
14:43 18:38 2 3:55hrs
19:08 23:20 1 4:12hrs
21:13 06:50 1 9:37hrs
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: DrRox on April 29, 2013, 08:31:43 AM
Here are the schedules on ScotRail for Edinburgh to Belfast. It is a rail/bus/ferry trip according to the website.

05:55   13:453     7:50hrs
10:00   17:453     7:45hrs
14:30    21:453    7:15hrs

Itinerary is train from Edinburgh Waverly to Glasgow Queen Street Station. Then train from Glasgow Central to Ayr. Then bus to Cairnryan. Then ferry to Belfast.

http://tickets.scotrail.co.uk/sr/en/JourneyPlanning/MixingDeck
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: georgiapeach on April 29, 2013, 09:06:18 AM
Citylink:

http://www.citylink.co.uk/timetables/Winter12/900a.pdf

http://www.citylink.co.uk/timetables.php
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Mattjimf on April 29, 2013, 09:23:08 AM
http://www.citylink.co.uk/timetables/Winter12/Belfast.pdf
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on May 02, 2013, 10:29:42 AM
To get teams from Belfast to LHR and from there to Washington-Dulles, here are the flights:

Belfast City BHD to LHR Dec. 6 (probably one of the latest ones)
0645 0757
0719 0831
0911 1006
1212 1322
1354 1550
1445 1555
1718 1807
1825 1953
1945 2106

LHR IAD Dec. 7
UA923 0730 1042   
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on May 02, 2013, 02:49:58 PM
I had listed the ferries from Cairnryan (next to Stanraer, which is sometimes mistakenly perceived as the port) to Belfast on Jan. 5 in post #129. Here is the Stena Line schedule of ferries, each of which takes 2 1/4 hours for the crossing from Cairnryan to Belfast:

0400 0615
0730 0945
1130 1345
1530 1745
1930 2145
2330 0145+1

There has been mention of additional ferries from Cairnryan but stopping short of Belfast in Larme, Northern Ireland referenced by Dr. Rox. The schedule for that is:

0400 0600
0730 0930
1030 1230
1330 1530
1630 1830
2000 2200

That's not all. There is one more Scottish port with ferries to Larme; that is Troon (home of a big annual golf tournament) which is almost on the border with England and quite near Prestwyck Airport. Ferries from Troon to Larme, which I believe are also 2 hours, depart at:

1100
1930
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Mattjimf on May 03, 2013, 02:11:24 AM
Troon ferries are seasonal as confirmed by kshel in the Belfast leg thread, and weren't running in December.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: apskip on May 06, 2013, 07:41:47 AM
As always, I find the details of transportation to be important in shaping each Amazing Race leg. Leg 11 started with a trip to Edinburgh Central rail station for a 1 hour 10 minute average trip (there are 4 each hour) to Glasgow Central. That would put Max/Katie into Glasgow by just after 530pm, Bates/Anthony the same,  Caroline/Jennifer there by 645pm and Mona/Beth there by 845pm.

The train schedule from Glasgow to Stanraer was fiendishly difficult to obtain (try it and see what I mean). At that range of evening departures, the trains would be:

dep. Glasgow Central 1830 arr. Stanraer 2059
dep. Glasgow Central 2030 arr. Stanraer 2353

The walk to the Cairnryan ferry terminal is reported to be 3 minutes or 6 minutes from either Stanraer station, but in any event the teams took taxis.

At the ferry terminal they bunched and I believe World Race Productions made a strategic decision to not allow them to take the 4am ferry to Belfast for filming reasons. They were on the 0730 ferry for unknown reasons, arriving 0945. Leg 11 finished with a pit stop and teams were released in Belfast the next morning. They were sent to the Stena line ship Belfast to Liverpool, which had this schedule:

dep. 1030 arr. 1830 after an 8 hour trip

The next train options to London-Euston from Liverpool-Lime St. were:
dep. 1848 arr. 2102
dep. 1948 arr. 2209 

After the trip to the pub to find out their destination, teams could reasonably expect to reach Heathrow around midnight. The only reasonable choice would be United 923 LHR IAD 0723 1042 and the video showed a United plane taxiing into the gate at Washington-Dulles.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Jimmer on May 06, 2013, 12:48:25 PM
It was revealed in an insider video that Max & Katie and Mona & Beth took the 1948-2209 train to to London-Euston that Bates & Anthony missed. Bates & Anthony probably took the 2048-2356 train which is about the 2 hour lead that Max & Katie and Mona & Beth said they had over Bates & Anthony.
Title: Re: AR22 Transportation
Post by: Mattjimf on May 13, 2013, 03:06:15 AM
As always, I find the details of transportation to be important in shaping each Amazing Race leg. Leg 11 started with a trip to Edinburgh Central rail station for a 1 hour 10 minute average trip (there are 4 each hour) to Glasgow Central. That would put Max/Katie into Glasgow by just after 530pm, Bates/Anthony the same,  Caroline/Jennifer there by 645pm and Mona/Beth there by 845pm.

The train schedule from Glasgow to Stanraer was fiendishly difficult to obtain (try it and see what I mean). At that range of evening departures, the trains would be:

dep. Glasgow Central 1830 arr. Stanraer 2059
dep. Glasgow Central 2030 arr. Stanraer 2353

The walk to the Cairnryan ferry terminal is reported to be 3 minutes or 6 minutes from either Stanraer station, but in any event the teams took taxis.

At the ferry terminal they bunched and I believe World Race Productions made a strategic decision to not allow them to take the 4am ferry to Belfast for filming reasons. They were on the 0730 ferry for unknown reasons, arriving 0945. Leg 11 finished with a pit stop and teams were released in Belfast the next morning. They were sent to the Stena line ship Belfast to Liverpool, which had this schedule:

dep. 1030 arr. 1830 after an 8 hour trip

The next train options to London-Euston from Liverpool-Lime St. were:
dep. 1848 arr. 2102
dep. 1948 arr. 2209 

After the trip to the pub to find out their destination, teams could reasonably expect to reach Heathrow around midnight. The only reasonable choice would be United 923 LHR IAD 0723 1042 and the video showed a United plane taxiing into the gate at Washington-Dulles.

All trains from Edinburgh - Glasgow terminate at Glasgow Queen Street, it's then a 15-20 minute walk to Glasgow Central to get to Stranraer.

I got the train schedule to Stranraer very easily via the booking section of the Scotrail website (Train schedule only change in May).

It's 3 miles from Stranraer to Cairnryan, so a taxi would have been the quickest option.

I know i'm late in replying, but I was staying off until I had watched the final which was last night.