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Title: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: georgiapeach on July 10, 2012, 07:10:10 AM
This season's New Twist?
 
Phil on The Talk July 9, 2012:
 
http://www.youtube.com/v/NPT5itcS6Ok?version=3&hl
 
"We are going into our 21st season.  (applause)
 
At the very beginning, when I intro... when I talk to the teams, I tell them about something that has never ever happened before, because we are always trying to shock them, and I tell them about something that is really exciting, and I can promise you that it will motivate them like they have never been motivated before."
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: topaz on July 10, 2012, 07:31:24 AM
new twist?  Are they gonna introduce Salvage Pass just like one on TAR Australia? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: kevin2012 on July 10, 2012, 07:39:42 AM
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on it. Remember the Hazard? "A game-changing new addition that will affect one team for the rest of the race" my butt.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: realshowfan on July 10, 2012, 07:56:52 AM
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on it. Remember the Hazard? "A game-changing new addition that will affect one team for the rest of the race" my butt.

One season in between, pretty hard to forget.

I'll remain indifferent for now. I can't watch the vid and I've been unspoiled (so far, I only got here because I don't mind being spoiled about a new twist) but from the transcript Peach posted it could go anywhere, short-term, long-term, big or small. The usual Phil with his ambiguous spiels when it's outside the race lol.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: supah on July 10, 2012, 08:05:46 AM
I recall reading a spoiler that said the winner of LEG 2 would win the Express Pass. I'm guessing that means something else will be awarded, which I'm sure is the Express Pass. Here is what I think will happen:
The first team in Leg 1 will win the Salvage Pass. If they choose to eliminate the team, the Express Pass will be up for grabs in the next Leg. If they choose NOT to eliminate the team, there will be some sort of negative consequence..
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: georgiapeach on July 10, 2012, 08:53:43 AM
Pretty sure there is no Salvage Pass, lol. Or Hazard Pass.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: balfour on July 10, 2012, 08:57:52 AM
At the very beginning, when I intro... when I talk to the teams, I tell them about something that has never ever happened before, because we are always trying to shock them, and I tell them about something that is really exciting, and I can promise you that it will motivate them like they have never been motivated before."

Phil is quite the salesman when building anticipation for a new twist. But nothing can give a team more motivation than a starting line elimination. That won't happen ever again.

I wonder what could it be. I like supah3ro's ideas
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Marionete on July 10, 2012, 09:02:32 AM
I think the salvage pass would be a good addition to the race, but why didn't they add it earlier?
From supah3ro's comment I get the idea that it must be used in the first leg. Is that right? I never got such info from reading wikipedia's description of the salvage pass.

Myself, I'd like to see the Hazard again, but with some improvements. For example, like Phil once said that the Hazard would affect a team for the entire race, the Hazard could be not just 1 additional task, but a task each leg and it expires only when the team checks-in first or whatever. :)
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Prophet on July 10, 2012, 09:06:27 AM
The fact that the express pass was moved to the second leg signaled something like this coming. Some of us wondered about the salvage pass because it was just on TarOz2 but there is no evidence for it.
I think that his motivation comment and the EP in Leg 2 confirms that it is something they can win in Leg 1.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Coutzy on July 10, 2012, 09:08:04 AM
The Salvage Pass is quite possibly the biggest non event ever to hit our TV screens, and I hope we never have to see it again.

Honestly, an extra hour of sleep that you could probably take anyway because there's at least a 90% chance of a leveler and if not- You're in first, so you'll probably be departing in not last anyway. Completely useless.

It *can* work, if they increase the reward for choosing to eliminate the team. Combine it with an express pass or something, I don't know. But don't make it a completely useless item that nobody in their right mind would hang onto.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: walkingpneumonia on July 10, 2012, 11:16:50 AM
This season's New Twist?
 
Phil on The View July 9, 2012:

"We are going into our 21st season.  (applause)
 
At the very beginning, when I intro... when I talk to the teams, I tell them about something that has never ever happened before, because we are always trying to shock them, and I tell them about something that is really exciting, and I can promise you that it will motivate them like they have never been motivated before."

Speculation...
Something that has never ever happened before: a quadruple U-Turn - lets call it the WW-Turn  :lol3:
Something that provides extra motivation: the team that finishes first wins $2 million.   :hoot:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: boston_jen on July 10, 2012, 01:11:59 PM
Hmm....

"I tell them about something that is really exciting, and I can promise you that it will motivate them like they have never been motivated before"

I liked the TARAus must-vote u-turn, which hasn't happened in the US version, but I don't think teams would call it "exciting."

I am wondering if maybe there is some incentive for finishing higher in the rankings on each leg?  When I think of people not being really motivated, I think of teams content to repeatedly finish in the middle of the pack, or "not last."  Maybe teams could get a little bonus money for the next leg if they place well?

Another twist which could motivate everyone: winning something like a "get out of jail free card." Unlike an Express Pass which is used to skip a task, or a Salvage Pass which allowed a TARAus team to keep another team in the game, this pass could be used by a team at the at the pit-stop to avoid their own elimination.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: David on July 10, 2012, 01:58:10 PM
I think the Salvage Pass could be changed to: "Keep it and choose any EL LEG until leg 08/09 to make it NEL and save the team". Not that ridiculous thing made in TAR:Aus2 I didn't like it...
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: chill_sd on July 10, 2012, 07:04:09 PM
The way he talked about "motivation" my first thought was the same as one of WP's - More prize money for the winning team, or maybe an extra prize like an around-the-world trip in luxury accommodations in addition to the $1 million.

Or similar to what boston_jen said, maybe a prize for finishing in the top three every leg or something like that.

Gamewise, I can't think of anything really "exciting" except maybe an express pass on each of the first five legs.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Air on July 10, 2012, 07:58:04 PM
I think the Salvage Pass could be changed to: "Keep it and choose any EL LEG until leg 08/09 to make it NEL and save the team". Not that ridiculous thing made in TAR:Aus2 I didn't like it...


The only reason why WRP would not choose it is because of all of the money put in to making the Speed bumps and the NEL switching.

Peach, I can't watch the video. Could you get another one??
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Cocoa on July 10, 2012, 08:19:12 PM
I liked the TARAus must-vote u-turn, which hasn't happened in the US version, but I don't think teams would call it "exciting."

It is super unfair for those teams who are dominating, so I don't like it. :(
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: theschnauzers on July 10, 2012, 08:38:40 PM
I suspect it's about something in the first leg that we've known about in part....which would be the opening task and the flights out of LAX....which leads to the EP being in the second leg.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: georgiapeach on July 10, 2012, 08:44:06 PM
Peach, I can't watch the video.

Are you sure?  :waves:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Prophet on July 10, 2012, 08:47:23 PM
I am wondering if maybe there is some incentive for finishing higher in the rankings on each leg?  When I think of people not being really motivated, I think of teams content to repeatedly finish in the middle of the pack, or "not last."  Maybe teams could get a little bonus money for the next leg if they place well?

An interesting idea... They did put alot of emphasis on Davechel's record before. What if you could add to the million every time you finish in the top three?
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Polaroid on July 10, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
As if the one million and a chance to travel around the world wasn't already a big enough incentive! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Oddarane on July 11, 2012, 05:31:39 AM
Can anyone plz tell me what the salvage pass is?
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: georgiapeach on July 11, 2012, 07:03:24 AM
A new twst on TAR aus...The team who comes in first on the first leg wins it. They then have the power...or not! to use it to "save" the team who comes in last on that leg from elimination. Which makes the first leg a NEL if they use it.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Declive on July 11, 2012, 10:53:47 AM
I don't think it is the salvage pass...
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: BlooperGuy on July 11, 2012, 11:55:39 AM
I don't think it is the salvage pass...
It better not be. :P Maybe a triple U-Turn!  :lol3: Honestly, perhaps TAR should rest on the gimmicks and really pick better racers for us to watch. Please. Oh please.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Oddarane on July 11, 2012, 11:58:48 AM
A new twst on TAR aus...The team who comes in first on the first leg wins it. They then have the power...or not! to use it to "save" the team who comes in last on that leg from elimination. Which makes the first leg a NEL if they use it.

Thanks :)

I'm counting down to the next season with watching old seasons. Good memories.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Prophet on July 11, 2012, 12:02:09 PM
As if the one million and a chance to travel around the world wasn't already a big enough incentive! :lol:

They want teams to be more competitive and not have only 3 teams winning a leg again
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Cocoa on July 11, 2012, 12:07:51 PM
Maybe there's an additional money to be added to your pot money based on placements?

E.g. Finishing on a leg
1st = +$500
2nd = +$300
3rd = +$100
4th = +$70
5th = +$50

:lol: :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: chill_sd on July 11, 2012, 01:24:51 PM
A new twst on TAR aus...The team who comes in first on the first leg wins it. They then have the power...or not! to use it to "save" the team who comes in last on that leg from elimination. Which makes the first leg a NEL if they use it.

Thanks :)

I'm counting down to the next season with watching old seasons. Good memories.

There was also an incentive to not use the Salvage Pass to save the last place team.  If the winning team had chosen not to save the last team, they would have gotten a one hour head start on the next leg.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Air on July 11, 2012, 06:19:12 PM
Works now Peach.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: georgiapeach on July 11, 2012, 10:16:09 PM
Pretty sure there is no Salvage Pass, lol. Or Hazard Pass.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Marionete on July 12, 2012, 03:01:12 AM
I don't think it is the salvage pass...
It better not be. :P Maybe a triple U-Turn!  :lol3: Honestly, perhaps TAR should rest on the gimmicks and really pick better racers for us to watch. Please. Oh please.
If they put 2 U-Turns on the race, I'd like one to be a Blind U-Turn (perhaps earlier in the race :)), because we've only seen it in TAR14, as it wasn't aired in TAR15 and the other one could be a Double U-Turn, like with 6-4 teams remaining. I really liked the U-Turn situation in TAR17 :hrt:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: addie on July 12, 2012, 03:49:51 AM
TAR16 had a Blind U-Turn too ;)
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Marionete on July 12, 2012, 04:05:51 AM
Oh, right, forgot that just when writing... I remember that sad moment with Joe & Heidi, I think they would've gone far  :'(
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: dodgersfan110293 on July 18, 2012, 07:11:14 AM
The View? It is the Talk   :umn:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: georgiapeach on July 18, 2012, 05:18:36 PM
Thanks! You're right, my fault.  :-[
 
I had a momentary brain  :fart

Fixed!! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Alenaveda on July 24, 2012, 05:11:53 PM
This season's New Twist?
 
Phil on The Talk July 9, 2012:
 
http://www.youtube.com/v/NPT5itcS6Ok?version=3&hl
 
"We are going into our 21st season.  (applause)
 
At the very beginning, when I intro... when I talk to the teams, I tell them about something that has never ever happened before, because we are always trying to shock them, and I tell them about something that is really exciting, and I can promise you that it will motivate them like they have never been motivated before."

I was doing the posts on the spoilers thread today, and suddenly the most crazy idea came to my mind:  4 teams racing the final leg for the millon dollars instead of the classic F3.  As Phil said, this would be "something that is really exciting" and " it will motivate them like they have never been motivated before."
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: boston_jen on July 24, 2012, 06:30:53 PM

I was doing the posts on the spoilers thread today, and suddenly the most crazy idea came to my mind:  4 teams racing the final leg for the millon dollars instead of the classic F3.  As Phil said, this would be "something that is really exciting" and " it will motivate them like they have never been motivated before."

I have been thinking something vaguely related to this.  What if the eliminated teams somehow had a chance to come back as a wild card team in the finals?  Maybe the team with the highest placement average prior to elimination?  So you'd have your regular final 3, plus a come back team.  It would keep teams motivated to really race hard the whole time, rather than cruise along at the back of the pack. 
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: couchracer on July 24, 2012, 09:28:11 PM
That is a neat idea. You should write for the show.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Marionete on July 28, 2012, 12:35:08 PM
A F4 would be great :)
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Jobby on July 28, 2012, 01:29:23 PM
Based on the fact that the Express Pass is on Leg 2, Leg 1 must have some sort of an incentive pass-like stuff.

Which made me think, no Salvage, Hazard pass... how about a Non-Elimination Pass, that they can use on themselves or ANY ONE TEAM that they choose to save on ANY LEG up till Leg 8 (any of the elimination legs).

WRP doesn't have to replan the Speedbump for the next leg. As long as the NEL Pass has been used on the team and the team is in last place, the next leg they will have to serve a Speedbump still OR, a 30 minutes penalty if they do not come in first place. I'm likely to think the latter would work better so that they do not have to plan new tasks for the Speedbump, and they have used the 30 minutes penalty before for two seasons as well.

And let's be frank, when has WRP ever put much emphasis in a Speedbump. Running across fireworks, doing yoga, performing dance... and dance... and more dance. The worst of all, serving a bowl of noodles and untying a ball of knots. It really isn't that hard to come up with a Speedbump, IMO.

Besides increasing the prize money to more than 1 million, awarding a team who has come in top 3 for all the legs a prize money... nothing can motivate a team more than a NEL Pass.

Of course, they could also come up with something like a Priority U-TURN Pass. It could work in a way they are allowed to skip the U-TURN if they have been U-TURNed, or that they U-TURN pass can overwrite any U-TURN decision that has been made before them. For example, if they or another team have been U-TURNed, they can U-TURN another team and overwrite the decision OR, just simply choose not to U-TURN. A priority U-TURN pass doesn't sound as good as the Express Pass.. BUT, it could be a game changer if used wisely. We know of some teams that have fallen just few minutes behind due to having to complete the other side of the U-TURN. Had they not been U-TURNed, they might have survived the leg. (Kisha and Jen in China, Carol and Brandy in Singapore, Amanda and Kris in TAR 14 are just some examples)

Of course, another really wild idea is that the winner of each leg will get to CAST A VOTE on who will receive a U-TURN on Leg 9, which maybe WRP will reveal to them that it is A DEFINITE ELIMINATION LEG or what... and this will force teams to really really race hard to avoid being voted for or get to cast their votes. And as viewers, we won't get to find out who did the winner of each leg cast their vote for until Leg 9 as well.. so it's sort of like a survivor votes reveal as well! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: theamazingracer21 on August 02, 2012, 01:15:19 AM
Based on the fact that the Express Pass is on Leg 2, Leg 1 must have some sort of an incentive pass-like stuff.
Which made me think, no Salvage, Hazard pass... how about a Non-Elimination Pass, that they can use on themselves or ANY ONE TEAM that they choose to save on ANY LEG up till Leg 8 (any of the elimination legs).
Adition to Joabs twist.

What if the team who is 2nd last is eliminated when the pass is used.

I was doing the posts on the spoilers thread today, and suddenly the most crazy idea came to my mind:  4 teams racing the final leg for the millon dollars instead of the classic F3.  As Phil said, this would be "something that is really exciting" and " it will motivate them like they have never been motivated before."

What about 2 teams race for the millon. Less Non-Elimination + Less teams in finale = more motivation.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Aussie on August 02, 2012, 03:25:00 AM
Based on the fact that the Express Pass is on Leg 2, Leg 1 must have some sort of an incentive pass-like stuff.
Which made me think, no Salvage, Hazard pass... how about a Non-Elimination Pass, that they can use on themselves or ANY ONE TEAM that they choose to save on ANY LEG up till Leg 8 (any of the elimination legs).
Adition to Joabs twist.

What if the team who is 2nd last is eliminated when the pass is used.

I was doing the posts on the spoilers thread today, and suddenly the most crazy idea came to my mind:  4 teams racing the final leg for the millon dollars instead of the classic F3.  As Phil said, this would be "something that is really exciting" and " it will motivate them like they have never been motivated before."

What about 2 teams race for the millon. Less Non-Elimination + Less teams in finale = more motivation = boring.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Jobby on August 02, 2012, 11:28:02 PM
That could work out too! The team who uses the NEL pass on any leg on themselves, or another team... will see the 2nd last place team eliminated.

It could work out as strategy too! Imagine if a team's least favourite team came in 2nd last, they can use the non-elimination pass to save the last place team, thus eliminating the 2nd last place team.

But that's just too much strategy work. Don't think it will work out, we can only hope. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: MrDeerShank on August 04, 2012, 11:49:57 AM
Could it not just be that the Express Pass is not available on the first leg, but rather the second (or is that just oversimplifying everything)?
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: bcp19 on August 04, 2012, 12:00:10 PM
Could it not just be that the Express Pass is not available on the first leg, but rather the second (or is that just oversimplifying everything)?
Maybe in an attempt to counter the Leg 3 winner's curse they wait til then to award the express pass?  Then you have the 2 'curses' fighting with each other, Leg 3 winner VS express pass.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Jobby on August 04, 2012, 12:54:40 PM
I don't think WRP cares about Leg 3 curse or the EP curse. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: sapphirepit on August 07, 2012, 06:51:55 PM
Maybe they get a special race credit card that allows them to have unlimited cash every leg (doubtful but would be an interested twist).
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Dom on August 08, 2012, 01:31:04 AM
I was doing the posts on the spoilers thread today, and suddenly the most crazy idea came to my mind:  4 teams racing the final leg for the millon dollars instead of the classic F3.  As Phil said, this would be "something that is really exciting" and " it will motivate them like they have never been motivated before."

This is the most believable and realistic theory in this whole thread! I'll be really unhappy if it's anything like a special pass that grants you powers (too much like Big Brother), but a minor change like this would be brilliant to see! I think you're on to something here Alenaveda!
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Air on August 08, 2012, 02:13:51 AM
Maybe they get a special race credit card that allows them to have unlimited cash every leg (doubtful but would be an interested twist).

I hope it isn't this. It kind of ruins the point of being given money limits in the first place.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: north09 on August 08, 2012, 09:27:41 AM
I was doing the posts on the spoilers thread today, and suddenly the most crazy idea came to my mind:  4 teams racing the final leg for the millon dollars instead of the classic F3.  As Phil said, this would be "something that is really exciting" and " it will motivate them like they have never been motivated before."

This is the most believable and realistic theory in this whole thread! I'll be really unhappy if it's anything like a special pass that grants you powers (too much like Big Brother), but a minor change like this would be brilliant to see! I think you're on to something here Alenaveda!

Except we know the final 5 teams, and 2 of them look to be racing decoys in NYC. That would leave us with the classic final 3.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Joeyengen on August 16, 2012, 12:11:56 PM
The team that crosses the finish line first will win 2 million dollars new preview on cbs.com  :conf:  :conf: :conf:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Kamineko on August 16, 2012, 12:17:29 PM
The team that crosses the finish line first will win 2 million dollars new preview on cbs.com  :conf:  :conf: :conf:
SERIOUSLY???!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
If that's true, it will be a TOUGH competition in this season! :hearts: :conf:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Alenaveda on August 16, 2012, 01:47:10 PM
The team that crosses the finish line first will win 2 million dollars new preview on cbs.com  :conf:  :conf: :conf:
SERIOUSLY???!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
If that's true, it will be a TOUGH competition in this season! :hearts: :conf:

¡Yes, it's true! :cheer: :cheer:
The announcement is on the official page of TAR on CBS.  :trampb:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Kamineko on August 16, 2012, 01:50:55 PM
The team that crosses the finish line first will win 2 million dollars new preview on cbs.com  :conf:  :conf: :conf:
SERIOUSLY???!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
If that's true, it will be a TOUGH competition in this season! :hearts: :conf:

¡Yes, it's true! :cheer: :cheer:
The announcement is on the official page of TAR on CBS.  :trampb:
Yes, I've just read it!! :cheer: :cheer:

So that's why Phil said that "something that is really exciting" and " it will motivate them like they have never been motivated before." :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Mug Costanza on August 16, 2012, 02:17:12 PM
http://www.cbs.com/shows/amazing_race/video/2268855908/the-amazing-race-new-season-this-fall-


(It would also potentially explain why the route is not as exciting to some of us; they had to cut back on the budget to afford a bigger prize.)
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: addie on August 16, 2012, 02:20:14 PM
Better a good route than a two million dollar price. :res:
I personally don't care if the price is one or two million dollar.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Macaroons on August 16, 2012, 02:33:49 PM
Is it possible for anyone to get the new video preview on Youtube?

CBS video player gives me nothing but problems and I'm sure I'm not the only one.  :knuckles:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Alenaveda on August 16, 2012, 02:54:39 PM
Is it possible for anyone to get the new video preview on Youtube?

CBS video player gives me nothing but problems and I'm sure I'm not the only one.  :knuckles:

Me too!  :gaah:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Mug Costanza on August 16, 2012, 04:45:51 PM
Completely speculating, but I have a theory:

Show content
It feels to me like there has to be a catch regarding the $2 million prize. Why would they just give out $2 million to the winners? Why start now? What's the point? This got me thinking...

Big Brother 6 (US) had a twist where the winner could potentially win $1 million instead of the usual $500,000, but there was a catch. Each person in the game secretly know another contestant from their real life, and if a pair of secret partners made it to the Final 2, the winner would win $1 million. Maybe The Amazing Race is doing something similar?

My theory is that the $2 million grand prize will ONLY be offered to the team that wins Leg 1; if a team wins both Leg 1 and the Final Leg, they will win $2 million instead of $1 million.

I think this makes sense, if you look at the evidence:

  • We have reason to believe that the Express Pass was given out to the winners of Leg 2, so it would fit that the $2 million grand prize is the prize for winning the first Leg.
  • The last two teams to win Leg 1 (Ernie & Cindy, Rachel & Dave) have won the Race.
  • Furthermore, the last time a team won the first leg and failed to make the Final 3 was Season 16 (Jeff & Jordan), and before that, it was Season 12 (Azarea & Hendekea). The team that wins Leg 1 typically finishes the entire Race, even before the Express Pass came into existence, so the excitement of a team possibly winning $2 million would last throughout the whole season.


I'd like to hear what everyone else thinks, but I feel like I might be onto something here. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: boston_jen on August 16, 2012, 04:50:39 PM
Speculation...
Something that provides extra motivation: the team that finishes first wins $2 million.   :hoot:
:winner
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: redwings8831 on August 16, 2012, 05:03:08 PM
Is it possible for anyone to get the new video preview on Youtube?

CBS video player gives me nothing but problems and I'm sure I'm not the only one.  :knuckles:

It worked for me on Internet Explorer, but not on Firefox.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: supah on August 16, 2012, 05:11:22 PM
Is it possible for anyone to get the new video preview on Youtube?
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Magnus on August 16, 2012, 05:23:32 PM
WOW that's crazy! I never could have predicted that. I wonder why they made that decision. It seems like it would have been better saved up for some kind of best teams season. It certainly raises several questions. Is this the new normal for TAR? Are they boasting of their success or do they think they need to do this to save the show? Again why this season?? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Magnus on August 16, 2012, 05:25:45 PM
Here's the Youtube version:

http://www.youtube.com/v/tWXSyNDz5Rw
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: AR FAN on August 16, 2012, 08:57:54 PM
Better a good route than a two million dollar price. :res:
I personally don't care if the price is one or two million dollar.

I'm greedy, I'll take both!!     :hoot:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: georgiapeach on August 16, 2012, 09:31:47 PM
Thanks everyone!! :jumpy:

But hmmmm, I also do not believe that $2 million is the whole story.

My theory is that the $2 million grand prize will ONLY be offered to the team that wins Leg 1; if a team wins both Leg 1 and the Final Leg, they will win $2 million instead of $1 million.

I think this makes sense, if you look at the evidence:

 
  • We have reason to believe that the Express Pass was given out to the winners of Leg 2, so it would fit that the $2 million grand prize is the prize for winning the first Leg.
  • The last two teams to win Leg 1 (Ernie & Cindy, Rachel & Dave) have won the Race.
  • Furthermore, the last time a team won the first leg and failed to make the Final 3 was Season 16 (Jeff & Jordan), and before that, it was Season 12 (Azarea & Hendekea). The team that wins Leg 1 typically finishes the entire Race, even before the Express Pass came into existence, so the excitement of a team possibly winning $2 million would last throughout the whole season.

 
 :winner :winner :winner


Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: supah on August 16, 2012, 09:49:50 PM
Here's the Youtube version:

http://www.youtube.com/v/tWXSyNDz5Rw

Not available in my country  :'(
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: LoveRocked on August 16, 2012, 10:48:42 PM
For the first time EVER, teams will be racing for 2 MILLION DOLLARS! Season 21 will be amazing for sure!
--- Holy Smokes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

http://www.cbs.com/shows/amazing_race/video/2268855908/the-amazing-race-new-season-this-fall
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Kamineko on August 16, 2012, 11:22:42 PM
Here's the Youtube version:

http://www.youtube.com/v/tWXSyNDz5Rw

Not available in my country  :'(
WHY THEY ALWAYS DO THAT??? :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: georgiapeach on August 17, 2012, 12:14:39 AM
;)
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: theschnauzers on August 17, 2012, 12:22:05 AM
The increase to $2 million is a stunner. I believe this is the first time any of the reality competition shows on US broadcast networks have increased their cash prize.

Now that's one way to heighten the competition!
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Dom on August 17, 2012, 03:09:16 AM
I have absolutely no idea how astronomical a typical season's budget must come to, but I too would have rather seen the money spent on more extraordinary tasks. I think the competition is pretty fierce with even $1m on the line, but it'll be interesting to see if that does provide any extra motivation!

I've got a feeling that there won't be any catches or clauses, it'll simply be first to the finish line wins $2m. However, I'd like to see something along the lines of 'you can only win $2m if you win at least five legs' or 'never finish below 5th'.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Air on August 17, 2012, 06:07:50 AM
This will be really interesting. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: asar on August 17, 2012, 07:19:23 AM
Ofcourse having good route is good but I'd rather want to see more of the competitive side of the race for a change now. U-turns will be used and they will probably put alot of them into this season.  That being said if I was on this race I wouldn't want to win first leg as I would be marked for death by other racers now.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: FishyFred on August 17, 2012, 09:28:14 AM
I don't really see how more money is more motivating.  If $1M wasn't good enough, they wouldn't be racing.  Heck, promise a great route, and plenty of people would volunteer for a chance at $100k.

Also, I don't even see how, if it just the 1st leg 1st place team that gets it, that is extra motivation, as that is only motivation for that team.  Starting with the second episode, the only change is 9 teams are racing for $1M like always, and 1 for $2M.  90% stay the same.

At least they should make it so the winners of the most total legs of the final 3 gets the extra prize money chance.  Then, the motivation is not so much the extra money, but the chance at extra money, and that motivation will continue throughout for all the top teams.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Magnus on August 17, 2012, 01:49:17 PM
It is really meant to motivate people to watch it not motivate the teams
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: markushsieh on August 17, 2012, 03:49:48 PM
Hi Guys,
If you also got region blocking from outside of USA, you may try this video below...
 
The Amazing Race 21 Trailer - New Season This Fall
http://www.youtube.com/v/W4JKWc-gwzE&feature

Enjoy!!!
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Alenaveda on August 17, 2012, 04:21:23 PM
I don't really see how more money is more motivating.  If $1M wasn't good enough, they wouldn't be racing.  Heck, promise a great route, and plenty of people would volunteer for a chance at $100k.

Also, I don't even see how, if it just the 1st leg 1st place team that gets it, that is extra motivation, as that is only motivation for that team.  Starting with the second episode, the only change is 9 teams are racing for $1M like always, and 1 for $2M.  90% stay the same.

At least they should make it so the winners of the most total legs of the final 3 gets the extra prize money chance.  Then, the motivation is not so much the extra money, but the chance at extra money, and that motivation will continue throughout for all the top teams.


It is really meant to motivate people to watch it not motivate the teams

Unless they play with the greed.  You know, something like "if the winner of the 1rst leg didn't reach the F3, the following team who arrived at the PitStop in that leg gain the right to win the 2 million prize, and so on if the previous teams are eliminated".  This would change the whole strategy on the race, making more fierce the fight for stay in the race, for the use of the U-Turns or even for gaining the Fast Forwards. 
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: dpe on August 18, 2012, 03:41:58 PM
I think there are several ways 2MIL could be split up as prize money. Phil just says "you will be playing for 2 million dollars", he doesn't say the winners will get that. As far as 2Mil being alot and increasing the cost of the show, with advertising revenues, product placements, website ads, etc I would think they easily can afford more prize money and make money on producing a 12 week series. It will be interesting to see how it works.   
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: north09 on August 18, 2012, 04:23:30 PM
It's two million for the winners, if it was for anyone else that would ruin the prize of winning the race.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Plaidmoon on August 18, 2012, 06:00:40 PM
While reading the news about the $2,000,000 prize (it's about time that they boosted it up  :tup:), a thought crossed my mind. I've watched America's Got Talent a few times lately and if you watch the final credits closely, it says that their million dollar prize is paid out in equal yearly payments over 40 years. So, the winner gets $25,000 a year for 40 years. If you're in a group of 10 or 15 people, its down to a couple thousand a year. Quite a comedown from WINNING A MILLION DOLLARS! Still, I suppose the exposure on that show is the real prize. The producers probably only have to cough $500,000 for a 40 year annuity, so that's their reason for doing it.

My question is this: Does TAR pay out the whole million dollars at the end of the season or do they go the annuity route and pay it out over a number of years?
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: theschnauzers on August 18, 2012, 10:49:04 PM
The most recent season I'm aware of (Ernie-Cindy TAR 19) they tweeted a picture of Ernie holding the presentation check, and the indication was then that they were waiting for the whole thing, since they were also planning to start a charity with it as well as their wedding. I'm certain that in the early seasons the teams were paid the full million. And I've never seen anything to suggest that has been changed.

America's Got Talent is on a different network (NBC), and their production costs are different since they have a lot more contestants involved.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Plaidmoon on August 18, 2012, 11:29:32 PM
The most recent season I'm aware of (Ernie-Cindy TAR 19) they tweeted a picture of Ernie holding the presentation check, and the indication was then that they were waiting for the whole thing, since they were also planning to start a charity with it as well as their wedding. I'm certain that in the early seasons the teams were paid the full million. And I've never seen anything to suggest that has been changed.

America's Got Talent is on a different network (NBC), and their production costs are different since they have a lot more contestants involved.

Thanks leafsfan and theschnauzers! I figured that was probably the case, but I was so surprised at the America's Got Talent payout, that I thought I'd ask. I'd realized that production values on that show must be fairly high since they move hundreds of contestants around the country and pay for days and days of lodging and food bills. It's not surprising that they look for ways to keep their costs down, but a 40 year payout is pretty tacky none the less.
 :gaah:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Alenaveda on August 19, 2012, 08:01:36 AM
The most recent season I'm aware of (Ernie-Cindy TAR 19) they tweeted a picture of Ernie holding the presentation check, and the indication was then that they were waiting for the whole thing, since they were also planning to start a charity with it as well as their wedding. I'm certain that in the early seasons the teams were paid the full million. And I've never seen anything to suggest that has been changed.

America's Got Talent is on a different network (NBC), and their production costs are different since they have a lot more contestants involved.

Thanks leafsfan and theschnauzers! I figured that was probably the case, but I was so surprised at the America's Got Talent payout, that I thought I'd ask. I'd realized that production values on that show must be fairly high since they move hundreds of contestants around the country and pay for days and days of lodging and food bills. It's not surprising that they look for ways to keep their costs down, but a 40 year payout is pretty tacky none the less.
 :gaah:

About that, below is the link of the CBS video from the moment Eric & Danielle got their check after winning the 1 million dolars on TAR11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_mkM_VS4I0

And this one is from Nat & Kat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTeuA8EBkcU&feature=related

Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Jobby on August 19, 2012, 01:13:20 PM
They get their million dollar payout on the early show the following day after the finale.

I like Mug's theory of winning the $2 million dollars prize too. You must win the very first leg of the race and the very last leg.

BUT,

Unless they play with the greed.  You know, something like "if the winner of the 1rst leg didn't reach the F3, the following team who arrived at the PitStop in that leg gain the right to win the 2 million prize, and so on if the previous teams are eliminated".  This would change the whole strategy on the race, making more fierce the fight for stay in the race, for the use of the U-Turns or even for gaining the Fast Forwards. 

I LOVE THIS THEORY THE MOST. OMG. THIS WILL MAKE ALL THE TEAMS KILL EACH OTHER. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Prophet on August 19, 2012, 01:17:58 PM
I like how TAR always tries to do something different <3
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: georgiapeach on August 19, 2012, 04:32:18 PM
They get their million dollar payout on the early show the following day after the finale.

I like Mug's theory of winning the $2 million dollars prize too. You must win the very first leg of the race and the very last leg.


They haven't gotten the Early Show payout in the last 3 seasons, very sadly. With a change in hosts and producers, The Early Show seems to have given that up.

And Mug's theory...IS correct. ;)
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Cocoa on August 19, 2012, 07:40:25 PM
boo, only one team has the chance to win the 2 million dollars at the end of Leg 1? :| I hope once that team is eliminated, another team will be "marked for an additional million dollars" :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: JordanJones123 on August 20, 2012, 06:24:56 AM
They get their million dollar payout on the early show the following day after the finale.

I like Mug's theory of winning the $2 million dollars prize too. You must win the very first leg of the race and the very last leg.


They haven't gotten the Early Show payout in the last 3 seasons, very sadly. With a change in hosts and producers, The Early Show seems to have given that up.

And Mug's theory...IS correct. ;)

Is it actually correct? And the 2,000,000 prize money is bad anyway, should have been used to make TAR good again. been crap for the last 2 seasons
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Marionete on August 20, 2012, 01:11:06 PM
They get their million dollar payout on the early show the following day after the finale.

I like Mug's theory of winning the $2 million dollars prize too. You must win the very first leg of the race and the very last leg.


They haven't gotten the Early Show payout in the last 3 seasons, very sadly. With a change in hosts and producers, The Early Show seems to have given that up.

And Mug's theory...IS correct. ;)

Is it actually correct? And the 2,000,000 prize money is bad anyway, should have been used to make TAR good again. been crap for the last 2 seasons
TAR was never crap.  :hrt:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: BlooperGuy on August 20, 2012, 02:10:31 PM
They get their million dollar payout on the early show the following day after the finale.

I like Mug's theory of winning the $2 million dollars prize too. You must win the very first leg of the race and the very last leg.


They haven't gotten the Early Show payout in the last 3 seasons, very sadly. With a change in hosts and producers, The Early Show seems to have given that up.

And Mug's theory...IS correct. ;)

Is it actually correct? And the 2,000,000 prize money is bad anyway, should have been used to make TAR good again. been crap for the last 2 seasons
TAR was never crap.  :hrt:
Correct. There are better seasons for sure, but not one was a true letdown, at least in my opinion. On the other hand, Season 19 and 18 are probably my least favorite seasons. :(
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Magnus on August 21, 2012, 09:09:15 PM
We should have expected that they won't guarantee two million with no strings attached.

I still wish they would allow a team to win more depending on how many legs they won. For me Dave and Rachel deserved more than teams like Eric and Danielle and Dan and Jordan. At least they started giving away some great cash prizes for leg winners :colors
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: walkingpneumonia on August 21, 2012, 09:23:09 PM
I don't think the 2nd million dollars from the $2 million prize really comes out of the coffers of WRP.
The 1st $1 million is a fixed cost, but the second million is conditional and isn't necessarily paid out.

If they have to pay to out the 2nd million it comes from a contest insurance company like this (http://www.worldwidespecialrisks.co.uk/sports) who underwrites the risk.

Basically they calculate what the odds are of having to pay the million and charge a premium to the contests producers - WRP.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: georgiapeach on August 21, 2012, 10:20:07 PM
Now THAT is interesting!! :yess:

Thanks WP!!
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: theschnauzers on August 22, 2012, 12:59:27 PM
Let's see, of the 20 seasons, the winner of the first leg won the Race in season 1, season 10, season 13, season 15, season 19, and season 20.

Odds based on all seasons: 6 of 20
Odds based on 10 most recent seasons: 4 of 10
Odds based on seasons since reduced legs from 13 to 12 (season 13-20): 4 of 8

If they're trying to motivate teams, I fail to see how that would happen after the first leg if only the one team can win the higher amount.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: georgiapeach on August 22, 2012, 01:16:00 PM
Trying to motivate them for the first leg win?? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: addie on August 22, 2012, 01:28:52 PM
It makes the most sence to me, since we had that leg 2 clue saying: "The winner of this leg will win the Express Pass". What would the winner of leg 1 otherwise win?
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Dom on August 22, 2012, 04:06:43 PM
I think it might have been mentioned before, but I like the idea of only one of the final 3 being eligible to win $2m. That team is whichever one of the three finished highest in the first leg.

So for example, if you came third in the first leg, you'd only get a shot at $2m if the two teams ahead of you get eliminated.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Alenaveda on August 22, 2012, 06:29:23 PM
I think it might have been mentioned before, but I like the idea of only one of the final 3 being eligible to win $2m. That team is whichever one of the three finished highest in the first leg.

So for example, if you came third in the first leg, you'd only get a shot at $2m if the two teams ahead of you get eliminated.


That sounds familiar to me.  Why?


I don't really see how more money is more motivating.  If $1M wasn't good enough, they wouldn't be racing.  Heck, promise a great route, and plenty of people would volunteer for a chance at $100k.

Also, I don't even see how, if it just the 1st leg 1st place team that gets it, that is extra motivation, as that is only motivation for that team.  Starting with the second episode, the only change is 9 teams are racing for $1M like always, and 1 for $2M.  90% stay the same.

At least they should make it so the winners of the most total legs of the final 3 gets the extra prize money chance.  Then, the motivation is not so much the extra money, but the chance at extra money, and that motivation will continue throughout for all the top teams.


It is really meant to motivate people to watch it not motivate the teams

Unless they play with the greed.  You know, something like "if the winner of the 1rst leg didn't reach the F3, the following team who arrived at the PitStop in that leg gain the right to win the 2 million prize, and so on if the previous teams are eliminated".  This would change the whole strategy on the race, making more fierce the fight for stay in the race, for the use of the U-Turns or even for gaining the Fast Forwards.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: georgiapeach on August 23, 2012, 01:02:43 AM
Y'all are making it way too complicated. ;)
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Dom on August 23, 2012, 01:34:25 AM
That sounds familiar to me.  Why?

Apologies Alenaveda, I thought I'd read it somewhere already.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Alenaveda on August 23, 2012, 08:14:51 AM
That sounds familiar to me.  Why?

Apologies Alenaveda, I thought I'd read it somewhere already.

 :tup:  At least somebody else has the same idea than me. :lol: .
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Joeyengen on August 23, 2012, 10:49:50 PM
It makes the most sence to me, since we had that leg 2 clue saying: "The winner of this leg will win the Express Pass". What would the winner of leg 1 otherwise win?


Express Pass On leg 2 ???  where does it say that ???
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Joeyengen on August 23, 2012, 10:54:09 PM
For the winners of leg 1 maybe they will use the amazing race australia idea and use the Salvage Pass  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Alenaveda on August 23, 2012, 11:28:53 PM
It makes the most sence to me, since we had that leg 2 clue saying: "The winner of this leg will win the Express Pass". What would the winner of leg 1 otherwise win?


Express Pass On leg 2 ???  where does it say that ???


Amazing Race 21 LIVE Sightings! Tweets Go Here!
Reply # 92 - May 28, 2012.


GA895, most racers are in this flight.

Clue is
make your way to the Alun Alun in Bangkalan and "roll" with the bulls

The winner of this leg will win Express Pass!!!!!!

Teams were flying from Shangai to Surabaya, Indonesia in the start of Leg 2.  Reta saw the clue at the airport.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Air on August 25, 2012, 11:43:02 PM
What if the first team to win the STARTING LINE TASK also got the chance to win the extra money?

Of course, I would HATE this if the SLT was luck-based... But from the spoilers I don't think so.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Marionete on August 26, 2012, 03:34:24 AM
What if the first team to win the STARTING LINE TASK also got the chance to win the extra money?

Of course, I would HATE this if the SLT was luck-based... But from the spoilers I don't think so.
I haven't seen this, so there are spoilers that prove there is a SLT? :)
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: addie on August 26, 2012, 03:39:47 AM
Yes. In the spoiler tags is the challenge.

Show content
Rappelling
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: bobnlori on August 28, 2012, 12:03:59 PM
it could be the salvage pass or a vote for the U turn, like they did in last years Australia race. The vote for the U turn come out of the Israel edition I think. I do think they need something different, voting for the u turn I like, if one team is getting a big lead and pissing off all the other teams, it would bring them back in the race unexpectedly
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: apskip on August 28, 2012, 03:33:34 PM
The extensive use of hours of operation and waiting for transportation makes it high probability that no team will get "way out in front". The last time that happened was Mirna/Charla in AR11 and before that Colin/Christie in AR5.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: amazing race fan on August 28, 2012, 04:41:30 PM
The extensive use of hours of operation and waiting for transportation makes it high probability that no team will get "way out in front". The last time that happened was Mirna/Charla in AR11 and before that Colin/Christie in AR5.

Also, in TAR 11 Dustin and Kandice got way in front of everyone else. I remember that in Leg 7 in Poland they were like four or five hours ahead of the nearest team and they started Leg 8 before a team or two finished Leg 7. I might have got a detail or two wrong, but thats the gist of what I remember.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Tarfan37 on August 29, 2012, 10:02:34 AM
The extensive use of hours of operation and waiting for transportation makes it high probability that no team will get "way out in front". The last time that happened was Mirna/Charla in AR11 and before that Colin/Christie in AR5.

Also, in TAR 11 Dustin and Kandice got way in front of everyone else. I remember that in Leg 7 in Poland they were like four or five hours ahead of the nearest team and they started Leg 8 before a team or two finished Leg 7. I might have got a detail or two wrong, but thats the gist of what I remember.

yes they did get a big lead however it was due to the guidos and eric and danille missing their connecting flight
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: georgiapeach on August 29, 2012, 10:10:58 AM
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST! :tup:

Thanks everyone!! :jumpy:

But hmmmm, I also do not believe that $2 million is the whole story.

My theory is that the $2 million grand prize will ONLY be offered to the team that wins Leg 1; if a team wins both Leg 1 and the Final Leg, they will win $2 million instead of $1 million.

I think this makes sense, if you look at the evidence:

 
  • We have reason to believe that the Express Pass was given out to the winners of Leg 2, so it would fit that the $2 million grand prize is the prize for winning the first Leg.
  • The last two teams to win Leg 1 (Ernie & Cindy, Rachel & Dave) have won the Race.
  • Furthermore, the last time a team won the first leg and failed to make the Final 3 was Season 16 (Jeff & Jordan), and before that, it was Season 12 (Azarea & Hendekea). The team that wins Leg 1 typically finishes the entire Race, even before the Express Pass came into existence, so the excitement of a team possibly winning $2 million would last throughout the whole season.

 
 :winner :winner :winner



Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Mug Costanza on August 29, 2012, 10:18:38 PM
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/Duvee/boogietebow.png)
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: redskevin88 on August 30, 2012, 12:34:59 AM
I heard something about a switchback task in the Netherlands, is it true?
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Marionete on August 30, 2012, 05:25:58 AM
I heard something about a switchback task in the Netherlands, is it true?
Yes, there was some information about the switchback in the official cast reveal article:
'Teams will also face one of the game's "most infamous Roadblocks" in the Netherlands in this season's "Switchback," the network added.'
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Chateau d If on August 30, 2012, 02:24:05 PM
What if the first team to win the STARTING LINE TASK also got the chance to win the extra money?

Of course, I would HATE this if the SLT was luck-based... But from the spoilers I don't think so.

Having watched this task happen, I can tell you that there was no haste.  Teams rappeled with the enthusiasm of a 6th grade PE class.   :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Tarfan37 on August 31, 2012, 11:43:41 AM

[/quote]

Having watched this task happen, I can tell you that there was no haste.  Teams rappeled with the enthusiasm of a 6th grade PE class.   :lol3:
[/quote]

wait u got to witnesss this? lucky!!
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: georgiapeach on August 31, 2012, 11:44:51 AM
You can see many of the spoiler pics from that day in the Location thread! And all the individual rapelling pics in the contestant threads. Chateau was awesome!!

Heee, always nice when TPTB start/end the race in RFF's own backyards!
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Alenaveda on August 31, 2012, 12:48:56 PM
You can see many of the spoiler pics from that day in the Location thread! And all the individual rapelling pics in the contestant threads. Chateau was awesome!!

Heee, always nice when TPTB start/end the race in RFF's own backyards!

Yes! And they call us stalkers...  :lol3:

(TBH about that, if they decide to start the race in the middle of the desert, we probably have the pics the same day; only because that day one of us would be coincidentally doing anything a couple miles from that place  :lol:)
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: JordanJones123 on August 31, 2012, 08:13:52 PM
I heard something about a switchback task in the Netherlands, is it true?
Yes, there was some information about the switchback in the official cast reveal article:
'Teams will also face one of the game's "most infamous Roadblocks" in the Netherlands in this season's "Switchback," the network added.'

Famous roadblocks in the Netherlands... None come to mind. The best roadblock, besides Haybales, is FRANZ... Maybe they will do something similar here?
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: docol on September 02, 2012, 12:15:25 PM
The Netherlands Roadblocks History

Season 4, Leg 5

In the Roadblock, one team member to get on a marked boat and using only their hands to catch 25 eels and put them in a marked container. Only the fisherman would get their next clue.

Season 12, Leg 2

In the Roadblock for this leg, one team member had to play a sport called fierljeppen by completing a single vault over a 12 feet (3.7 m) wide irrigation ditch and landing on both feet on the marshy grass at the other side.

Season 15, Leg 7

In this leg's Roadblock, one team member had to climb to the top of the Martinitoren and count all of the bells in the carillon. When they gave the right number (62) to the carillonneur, they would receive their next clue. If they provided the wrong number, they would have to climb back up to the carillon to count again. This Roadblock's hint is a reference to the first (aired) Roadblock ever on The Amazing Race.

I bet it's the season's 4 roadblock since season's 12 is WAY to easy co call "infamous" and season's 15 "secret answer" is no longer a secret
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Marionete on September 03, 2012, 01:07:05 PM
The Netherlands Roadblocks History

Season 4, Leg 5

In the Roadblock, one team member to get on a marked boat and using only their hands to catch 25 eels and put them in a marked container. Only the fisherman would get their next clue.

Season 12, Leg 2

In the Roadblock for this leg, one team member had to play a sport called fierljeppen by completing a single vault over a 12 feet (3.7 m) wide irrigation ditch and landing on both feet on the marshy grass at the other side.

Season 15, Leg 7

In this leg's Roadblock, one team member had to climb to the top of the Martinitoren and count all of the bells in the carillon. When they gave the right number (62) to the carillonneur, they would receive their next clue. If they provided the wrong number, they would have to climb back up to the carillon to count again. This Roadblock's hint is a reference to the first (aired) Roadblock ever on The Amazing Race.

I bet it's the season's 4 roadblock since season's 12 is WAY to easy co call "infamous" and season's 15 "secret answer" is no longer a secret
I'm still hoping it's 'one of the race's most infamous roadblocks', but done in The Netherlands only this time :S Because of these 3, I'd only like to see 15th season's RB, and it's not really possible...
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: theamazingracer21 on September 08, 2012, 08:23:07 PM
The switchback task might not be a task that was origanalily a roadblock (im thinking either detour option on TAR15 that cost Maria & Tiffany the race)
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Alenaveda on September 08, 2012, 09:30:46 PM
The switchback task might not be a task that was origanalily a roadblock (im thinking either detour option on TAR15 that cost Maria & Tiffany the race)

Based on previous experiences with switchbacks (hay bales on TAR6 & TAR18 and shaving heads on TAR5, TAR9 & TAR20) if there's one, is gonna be one the RB already performed in TAR4, TAR12 or TAR15.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Air on September 08, 2012, 09:48:03 PM
The switchback task might not be a task that was origanalily a roadblock (im thinking either detour option on TAR15 that cost Maria & Tiffany the race)

Based on previous experiences with switchbacks (hay bales on TAR6 & TAR18 and shaving heads on TAR5, TAR9 & TAR20) if there's one, is gonna be one the RB already performed in TAR4, TAR12 or TAR15.

TAR 7, not TAR 9. TAR 9 didn't even visit India.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Alenaveda on September 08, 2012, 10:34:10 PM
The switchback task might not be a task that was origanalily a roadblock (im thinking either detour option on TAR15 that cost Maria & Tiffany the race)

Based on previous experiences with switchbacks (hay bales on TAR6 & TAR18 and shaving heads on TAR5, TAR9 & TAR20) if there's one, is gonna be one the RB already performed in TAR4, TAR12 or TAR15.

TAR 7, not TAR 9. TAR 9 didn't even visit India.  :lol:

You're right, my mistake  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Jobby on September 22, 2012, 01:05:53 PM
The switchback task might not be a task that was origanalily a roadblock (im thinking either detour option on TAR15 that cost Maria & Tiffany the race)

Based on previous experiences with switchbacks (hay bales on TAR6 & TAR18 and shaving heads on TAR5, TAR9 & TAR20) if there's one, is gonna be one the RB already performed in TAR4, TAR12 or TAR15.

TAR 20 had a Switchback Fast Forward. :)
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Alenaveda on September 22, 2012, 01:58:03 PM
The switchback task might not be a task that was origanalily a roadblock (im thinking either detour option on TAR15 that cost Maria & Tiffany the race)

Based on previous experiences with switchbacks (hay bales on TAR6 & TAR18 and shaving heads on TAR5, TAR7 & TAR20) if there's one, is gonna be one the RB already performed in TAR4, TAR12 or TAR15.

TAR 20 had a Switchback Fast Forward. :)

Who also was a FF in TAR5 and TAR7.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: DrRox on September 22, 2012, 02:23:49 PM
The switchback task might not be a task that was origanalily a roadblock (im thinking either detour option on TAR15 that cost Maria & Tiffany the race)

Based on previous experiences with switchbacks (hay bales on TAR6 & TAR18 and shaving heads on TAR5, TAR9 & TAR20) if there's one, is gonna be one the RB already performed in TAR4, TAR12 or TAR15.

TAR 20 had a Switchback Fast Forward. :)

TAR20 had no Switchback Fast Forwards. It did have an idential Fast Forward task. The head shaving tasks. But Switchback tasks are the same exact task at the same exact location, according to CBS in announcements for TAR15. The ony Switchback so far in TAR is the hay bale Roadblocks in TAR6 and TAR15. This was the same exact task in the same exact location, a field in Sweden. The head shaving FF tasks in TAR5, TAR7 and TAR20 all took place in different locations. TAR5 was in Kolkata and TAR20 was in Kerala.....opposite ends of India.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Alenaveda on September 22, 2012, 03:46:31 PM
The switchback task might not be a task that was origanalily a roadblock (im thinking either detour option on TAR15 that cost Maria & Tiffany the race)

Based on previous experiences with switchbacks (hay bales on TAR6 & TAR18 and shaving heads on TAR5, TAR9 & TAR20) if there's one, is gonna be one the RB already performed in TAR4, TAR12 or TAR15.

TAR 20 had a Switchback Fast Forward. :)

TAR20 had no Switchback Fast Forwards. It did have an idential Fast Forward task. The head shaving tasks. But Switchback tasks are the same exact task at the same exact location, according to CBS in announcements for TAR15. The ony Switchback so far in TAR is the hay bale Roadblocks in TAR6 and TAR15. This was the same exact task in the same exact location, a field in Sweden. The head shaving FF tasks in TAR5, TAR7 and TAR20 all took place in different locations. TAR5 was in Kolkata and TAR20 was in Kerala.....opposite ends of India.

I have to disagree with you this time, DrRox.  When Phil explained what was the FF (pic below), he used this quote: 

"In this Switchback, teams face one of the most unforgettables Fast Forwards in Amazing Race history."

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR20/vlcsnap-2012-09-22_zps3a3d6ee1.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Jimmer on September 22, 2012, 04:57:47 PM
The switchback task might not be a task that was origanalily a roadblock (im thinking either detour option on TAR15 that cost Maria & Tiffany the race)

Based on previous experiences with switchbacks (hay bales on TAR6 & TAR18 and shaving heads on TAR5, TAR9 & TAR20) if there's one, is gonna be one the RB already performed in TAR4, TAR12 or TAR15.

TAR 20 had a Switchback Fast Forward. :)

TAR20 had no Switchback Fast Forwards. It did have an idential Fast Forward task. The head shaving tasks. But Switchback tasks are the same exact task at the same exact location, according to CBS in announcements for TAR15. The ony Switchback so far in TAR is the hay bale Roadblocks in TAR6 and TAR15. This was the same exact task in the same exact location, a field in Sweden. The head shaving FF tasks in TAR5, TAR7 and TAR20 all took place in different locations. TAR5 was in Kolkata and TAR20 was in Kerala.....opposite ends of India.

I have to disagree with you this time, DrRox.  When Phil explained what was the FF (pic below), he used this quote: 

"In this Switchback, teams face one of the most unforgettables Fast Forwards in Amazing Race history."

I would have to agree with Alenaveda. It was mentioned as a Switchback explicitly by Phil.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Declive on September 23, 2012, 02:41:10 PM
Yeah , and even show Uchenna and Joyce winning at all , it's a Switchback
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: topaz on September 24, 2012, 08:40:47 PM
The switchback task might not be a task that was origanalily a roadblock (im thinking either detour option on TAR15 that cost Maria & Tiffany the race)

Based on previous experiences with switchbacks (hay bales on TAR6 & TAR18 and shaving heads on TAR5, TAR9 & TAR20) if there's one, is gonna be one the RB already performed in TAR4, TAR12 or TAR15.
what about the FF on TAR 4?  Remember about the one team rode in a windmill? :waves:
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: Tarfan37 on September 24, 2012, 11:52:51 PM
if a switchback is just to a particular task, just coming from russia i feel like they could be doing the skivvies marathon again lmao.
Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: georgiapeach on September 25, 2012, 04:07:46 AM
Except the Cast Reveal press said:

Teams will travel through three continents, nine countries and cover more than 25,000 miles, where they’ll be faced with a 10-story rappel in Los Angeles, frying an egg on their heads in Indonesia, working as “rat collectors” in Bangladesh and revisiting one of the Race’s most infamous Roadblocks in the Netherlands in this season’s “Switchback.”

Title: Re: TAR 21: What to Expect! New Twist?
Post by: redskevin88 on September 25, 2012, 05:43:28 AM
Except the Cast Reveal press said:

Teams will travel through three continents, nine countries and cover more than 25,000 miles, where they’ll be faced with a 10-story rappel in Los Angeles, frying an egg on their heads in Indonesia, working as “rat collectors” in Bangladesh and revisiting one of the Race’s most infamous Roadblocks in the Netherlands in this season’s “Switchback.”



No offense, but I don't remember any of the Netherlands roadblocks being "infamous".