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Title: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 17, 2012, 11:32:43 AM

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This is where all the speculation of the TAR 21 race goes, NOT in the LIVE thread.
 
**NEW** Let's try keeping all the confirmed LOCATION info together so it is easier to find. So anything about a location we are sure of can go HERE (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27199.0.html).
 
All info about TEAMS can go in the Contestant thread HERE (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27200.0.html).


As always, per RFF's practices, exact info on teams and start city will be withheld until it is believed that the teams are safely underway. We would never want to jeopardize a team's chances or to interfere with the start. But if you have info to share before then, we would love to know, so please PM or email me! Spoilers are treasured!

This thread will be opened once we know the race has begun.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 25, 2012, 04:45:22 AM
Location info in LOCATION thread.

CONTESTANT info in CONTESTANT THREAD.

Everything else here!

No whoohoo's etc, let's keep this to SPOILER DISCUSSION ONLY. :ty
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on May 26, 2012, 08:14:42 PM
Could you give us a hint of where it really is peach? What's with two fake sightings in Santa Monica?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 26, 2012, 08:15:55 PM
When it is safe.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on May 26, 2012, 08:17:27 PM
When it is safe.

we've got no sightings, so I'm guessing they are still at the Starting Line
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 26, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
Let's hold the specualtion until there are actual spoilers to discuss please?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on May 26, 2012, 08:30:01 PM
So it is a night start?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: asar on May 26, 2012, 08:38:05 PM
Have we ever had a Night start before?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on May 26, 2012, 08:56:05 PM
It's not that late in California and they usually start at this time.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on May 26, 2012, 09:05:42 PM
"From his twitter I *think* he lives in SoCal and he is on his way to Australia right now. Old tweet:"

The tweet if anything indicates Fiji to me?

His timeline has other references to going to Australia on Saturday.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on May 26, 2012, 09:10:39 PM
I think 1st destination will be a Asia country...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on May 26, 2012, 09:13:06 PM
Just to help people out: Sunset in LA on this day of the year is just before 8 PM PDT, twilight lasts another hour after that. Checking Weather Underground, there are coastal flood advisories in some parts of southern California, although it is mostly clear, and no rain in the area. There's been some wind but from what I've read it will be at or below 15 mph tonight, so flights should not be affected.
This of course, assumes this will be a LAX departure (but the odds are in favor of that given the last 8 seasons.)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 26, 2012, 09:15:12 PM
A random person's twitter about where THEY are going has NOTHING to do with where we are going. Please....
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on May 26, 2012, 09:22:53 PM
A random person's twitter about where THEY are going has NOTHING to do with where we are going. Please....

establishing he may be in lax international departures
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 26, 2012, 09:29:59 PM
A random person's twitter about where THEY are going has NOTHING to do with where we are going. Please....

establishing he may be in lax international departures

 
 :winner


Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on May 26, 2012, 09:33:16 PM
A random person's twitter about where THEY are going has NOTHING to do with where we are going. Please....

establishing he may be in lax international departures

OK, but the speculation that TAR is going to Fiji or Australia because the guy that saw them is going there is groundless at this point. Odds are TAR will be on another flight and could be going almost anywhere.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 26, 2012, 09:44:08 PM
Flights leaving LAX (Tom Bradley International Terminal) tonight:

9:10 - Munich (Lufthansa 453)
9:15 - Singapore (Singapore Air 37)
9:20 - London (British Airways 268)
10:10 - Sydney (Qantas 12)
10:15 - Lima (LAN 2605)
11:30 - Melbourne (Qantas 94)
11:30 - Guangzhou (China Southern 328)
11:30 - Nadi (Air Pacific 811)
11:30 - Seoul (Korean Air 12)
11:50 - Sydney (Qantas 108)
11:50 - Hong Kong (Cathay Pacific 883)
12:20 - Seoul (Asiana Air 203)
1:10 - Tokyo (Ana 1005)
1:15 - Taipei (China Air 7)
1:30 - Hong Kong (Cathay Pacific 881)
1:35 - Taipai (Eva Air 15)
1:58 - Panama City (Copa Airlines 303)

Terminal 2:

9:20 - London
9:45 - Auckland
10:00 - Toronto
10:30 - Auckland
11:25 - Mexico City
11:55 - Papeete/Faa
12:55 - Guadalajara
1:30 - Leon/Guanajuato
1:35 - San Salvador
1:35 - Guatemala City
1:35 - San Salvador
1:40 - Beijing
1:45 - Morelia

Terminal 3:

10:10 - Sydney
11:55 - Brisbane

Terminal 4:

9:10 - Monterey
11:45 - Brisbane

Terminal 5:

12:40 - Tokyo

Terminal 6:

1:05 - Mexico City
1:55 - Guadalajara

http://www.lawa.org/fsw/default.aspx
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on May 26, 2012, 09:46:16 PM
Flights leaving LAX (Tom Bradley International Terminal) tonight:

9:10 - Munich (Lufthansa 453)
9:15 - Singapore (Singapore Air 37)
9:20 - London (British Airways 268)
10:10 - Sydney (Qantas 12)
10:15 - Lima (LAN 2605)
11:30 - Melbourne (Qantas 94)
11:30 - Guangzhou (China Southern 328)
11:30 - Nadi (Air Pacific 811)
11:30 - Seoul (Korean Air 12)
11:50 - Sydney (Qantas 108)
11:50 - Hong Kong (Cathay Pacific 883)
12:20 - Seoul (Asiana Air 203)
1:10 - Tokyo (Ana 1005)
1:15 - Taipei (China Air 7)
1:30 - Hong Kong (Cathay Pacific 881)
1:35 - Taipai (Eva Air 15)
1:58 - Panama City (Copa Airlines 303)

http://www.lawa.org/fsw/default.aspx

will let cross out japan and tawain
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on May 26, 2012, 09:50:22 PM
i really dont think is austrillia think about we alright had austrillia for season 18
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on May 26, 2012, 09:51:31 PM
My gut says Nadi.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 26, 2012, 09:52:04 PM
Above are all the international flights leaving LAX tonight (9 PM to 2 AM). All times are pacific.

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27203.msg758093.html#msg758093
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on May 26, 2012, 09:54:10 PM
They may leave early tomorrow morning
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on May 26, 2012, 09:54:43 PM
I'm thinking Asia for Leg 1.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on May 26, 2012, 10:13:59 PM
Travel off to good start,Amazing Race filming at LAX, I bought maps for the Chippendale dancers team...too fun!

kathy sessler ‏@kathysessle
The Chippendales troupe have been performing in Las Vegas for quite a while now, it may be possible to check that one out online to see if anyone is listed as being off for a month.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 26, 2012, 10:17:51 PM
The tweeter tweeted that he will be going to Sydney. Don't know how it all relates.

Once more, it DOES NOT RELATE.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 26, 2012, 10:39:38 PM
I guess I'm the only one who disagrees. Just like every other season, when the information has been verified it will be released. Until then, it really is just speculation. Just be patient. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 26, 2012, 10:41:22 PM
Please read the posted RFF guidelines. Thanks!

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27203.msg755254.html#msg755254
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 26, 2012, 10:48:52 PM
Thanks everyone for looking! And thanks for the flight lists!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 26, 2012, 11:43:07 PM
Sure, got a couple of pics too. They were headed for Manila, looks like, or possibly Guam. Just a sec, boarding...

Guam or Philippines???

@a_wagener

Credits to Oval

No direct flights to the Philippines or Guam tonight. Connections are possible though.

Quote
@ovalorange1 Also guy/girl came up to the Sydney gate and left again, she had blonde hair, he was in a tank top and fairly muscle

Flights to Sydney at 10:10 PM (23 minutes from now) and 11:50 PM (2 hours from now).
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 26, 2012, 11:51:48 PM
Sure, got a couple of pics too. They were headed for Manila, looks like, or possibly Guam. Just a sec, boarding...

Guam or Philippines???

@a_wagener

Credits to Oval

No direct flights to the Philippines or Guam tonight. Connections are possible though.

Quote
@ovalorange1 Also guy/girl came up to the Sydney gate and left again, she had blonde hair, he was in a tank top and fairly muscle

Flights to Sydney at 10:10 PM (23 minutes from now) and 11:50 PM (2 hours from now).

There is a flight that leaves for Manila via Guam at 10:35 tonight (Pacific Time)
-Philippine Airlines flt103
-Leaves LAX 10:35PM
-Arrives MNL 5:55AM (May 28)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 26, 2012, 11:55:11 PM
Sure, got a couple of pics too. They were headed for Manila, looks like, or possibly Guam. Just a sec, boarding...

Guam or Philippines???

@a_wagener

Credits to Oval

No direct flights to the Philippines or Guam tonight. Connections are possible though.

Quote
@ovalorange1 Also guy/girl came up to the Sydney gate and left again, she had blonde hair, he was in a tank top and fairly muscle

Flights to Sydney at 10:10 PM (23 minutes from now) and 11:50 PM (2 hours from now).

There is a flight that leaves for Manila via Guam at 10:35 tonight (Pacific Time)
-Philippine Airlines flt103
-Leaves LAX 10:35PM
-Arrives MNL 5:55AM (May 28)


Yeah, the one I missed while copying down the list.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 26, 2012, 11:57:28 PM
Flight status for Philippine Airlines 103

On-time   departs in 38 minutes
Departure   LAX   10:35pm      Terminal B
   Los Angeles   May 26
Arrival   GUM   3:35am      —
   Guam   May 28

On-time   departs in 13 hours 28 minutes
Departure   GUM   4:25am      —
   Guam   May 28
Arrival   MNL   5:55am      Terminal 2
   Manila   May 28
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on May 27, 2012, 12:00:34 AM
But we need 2 flight to the same destination...damn...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 27, 2012, 12:01:26 AM
But we need 2 flight to the same destination...damn...

I'm trying to find another route to Manila atm.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on May 27, 2012, 12:07:09 AM
One has to consider the possibility of two flights connecting through different cities to the first destination. (And that Phil and production may even be on a direct flight.)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 27, 2012, 12:07:20 AM
But we need 2 flight to the same destination...damn...

I'm trying to find another route to Manila atm.

Other possible connections could be through Taipei, Tokyo, and Seoul.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 27, 2012, 12:08:02 AM
Another combination to Manila leaving tonight is (arrives 4 hours after the other flight):

Flight status for Cathay Pacific Airways 883
On-time   departs in 1 hour 44 minutes
Departure   LAX   11:50pm      Terminal B
   Los Angeles   May 26
Arrival   HKG   5:23am   (scheduled 5:40am)   Terminal 1
   Hong Kong   May 28

Flight status for Cathay Pacific Airways 907
Scheduled   departs in 18 hours 58 minutes
Departure   HKG   8:05am      Terminal 1
   Hong Kong   May 28
Arrival   MNL   9:55am      Terminal 1
   Manila   May 28
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 27, 2012, 12:13:03 AM
One has to consider the possibility of two flights connecting through different cities to the first destination. (And that Phil and production may even be on a direct flight.)

There are actually three flights from Guam to Manila that arrive within 2 hours of each other, so maybe all teams are on the LAX-Guam flight and then are split up.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on May 27, 2012, 01:31:41 AM

There are actually three flights from Guam to Manila that arrive within 2 hours of each other, so maybe all teams are on the LAX-Guam flight and then are split up.

redwings8831........

I like your idea. Isn't this the same thing they did in TAR 20. All teams were on same flight to Miami and then split onto two flights to BsAs?

If they split the teams into two different routes.......the only one I can see is the following.......and it is predicated on the assumption that the teams on the LAX-MNL route are the tail end charlies........

Either of these flights from LAX to YVR....
WS 1699     745pm-1027pm  or
AC  557       800pm-1045pm

then  YVR-MNL
PR 107  1230 am - 530 am

This would give the lead teams a 25 minute head start.......but I really think the split is in Guam as proposed by redwings8831

There is another possible route.......LAX>PEK>MNL.....but it only has a scheduled 30 minute connection time in Beijing.....too short for TAR to book on opening leg I believe.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 27, 2012, 01:35:28 AM

There are actually three flights from Guam to Manila that arrive within 2 hours of each other, so maybe all teams are on the LAX-Guam flight and then are split up.

redwings8831........

I like your idea. Isn't this the same thing they did in TAR 20. All teams were on same flight to Miami and then split onto two flights to BsAs?

If they split the teams into two different routes.......the only one I can see is the following.......and it is predicated on the assumption that the teams on the LAX-MNL route are the tail end charlies........

Either of these flights from LAX to YVR....
WS 1699     745pm-1027pm  or
AC  557       800pm-1045pm

then  YVR-MNL
PR 107  1230 am - 530 am

This would give the lead teams a 25 minute head start.......but I really think the split is in Guam as proposed by redwings8831

There is another possible route.......LAX>PEK>MNL.....but it only has a scheduled 30 minute connection time in Beijing.....too short for TAR to book on opening leg I believe.

This fits with a tweet I just noticed:

Quote
@shshhshhshsh they're long gone lol. They are headed to china (seemed like Beijing) and I'm already at my departure gate. Sorry :/

Also, isn't YVR Toronto?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Polaroid on May 27, 2012, 01:46:40 AM
Also, isn't YVR Toronto?

YVR is in Vancouver.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on May 27, 2012, 01:55:33 AM
The LAX>PEK flight was false data......so no connection with a reasonable arrival in Manilla is possible through Beijing.


I like the idea of splitting the teams in Guam....a two hour differential is about the same as going to BsAs last race.......after splitting the teams in Miami.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 27, 2012, 02:04:59 AM
Max Carnahan ‏@Max_Carnahan

Of course the amazing race is filming in LAX airport when we walk through #GoBlondeGirls

11:55 PM - 26 May 12 via Twitter for Android

The Guam flight left 90 minutes ago (10:35). If teams are still at LAX there has to be another flight connecting somewhere else. Flights from TBIT that haven't left yet include:

12:20 - Seoul (Asiana Air 203)
1:10 - Tokyo (Ana 1005)
1:15 - Taipei (China Air 7)
1:30 - Hong Kong (Cathay Pacific 881)
1:35 - Taipai (Eva Air 15)
1:58 - Panama City (Copa Airlines 303)

Other terminals:

12:40 - Tokyo (5)
12:55 - Guadalajara (2)
1:05 - Mexico City (6)
1:30 - Leon/Guanajuato (2)
1:35 - San Salvador (2)
1:35 - Guatemala City (2)
1:35 - San Salvador (2)

1:40 - Beijing (2)
1:45 - Morelia (2)
1:55 - Guadalajara (6)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on May 27, 2012, 02:10:52 AM
The lady who blue M/M team ask to looks like from China Airlines
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Cocoa on May 27, 2012, 02:11:04 AM
I'm flying back to Manila in June 6! :lol: :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 27, 2012, 02:15:42 AM
From LAX info:

Teams are on two flights:

TPE Taipei CI 7  China Airlines 1:15 AM  T-B 
 
TPE Taipei BR 15  EVA Air 1:35 AM    T-B 


and then connecting onwards.

No Guam -> Manila?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on May 27, 2012, 02:16:49 AM
I‘m so exciting! :lol:
China...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on May 27, 2012, 02:17:41 AM
Since Peach said Taipei.. I checked flightstats and I think we got

A) Hong Kong(departures at 8:55 AM & 9:20AM & 10:00/20AM)
B) Shanghai (departures at 9:05 & 10:10AM
C) Guangzhou(10AM, 1:55PM, 2:30PM)

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 27, 2012, 02:18:12 AM
No, sorry.

Seems very definite they go thru Taipei.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 27, 2012, 02:19:56 AM
No, sorry.

Seems very definite they go thru Taipei.

Damn, this is harder than I thought.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 27, 2012, 02:24:48 AM
No, sorry.

Seems very definite they go thru Taipei.

Damn, this is harder than I thought.  :lol:

Are we sure they are continuing on to somewhere else from Taipei?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 27, 2012, 02:27:50 AM
Yes.

Heeee...everything I know about flight tracking, I learned in your games!  :jam:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on May 27, 2012, 02:34:27 AM
No, sorry.

Seems very definite they go thru Taipei.

Those were departures I found From Taipei :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 27, 2012, 02:36:39 AM
Since Peach said Taipei.. I checked flightstats and I think we got

A) Hong Kong(departures at 8:55 AM & 9:20AM & 10:00/20AM)
B) Shanghai (departures at 9:05 & 10:10AM
C) Guangzhou(10AM, 1:55PM, 2:30PM)

I don't think it will be Hong Kong as there were direct flights there from LAX tonight. I'm thinking Guangzhou or some smaller Chinese city that would require the Taipei connection.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 27, 2012, 02:39:32 AM
Yes.

Heeee...everything I know about flight tracking, I learned in your games!  :jam:

I just find it weird that the two flights are so close to each other and thus could place all teams on the same connection flight (especially to a smaller city). Usually, flights on the first leg are one/two hours apart.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on May 27, 2012, 03:14:58 AM
Okay...I think I can reveal it now...
1st destination is:Shanghai,China :hearts:

Well actually, Shanghai is the only destination that makes sense from flight stats.....there are not any other cities that fit the flight profiles except either Hong Kong or Macau.....and they might go there......but I would think after they go someplace else in China first......

Eva Air  BR15      1:35 am-6:20 am   LAX>TPE
Eva Air  BR712  10:10 am-12:05pm TPE>PNG

China Airlines  CI7     1:15-6:10   LAX>TPE
China Airlines  CI501 9:05 am-1050am  TPE>PVG
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 27, 2012, 03:16:31 AM
Okay...I think I can reveal it now...
1st destination is:Shanghai,China :hearts:

Well actually, Shanghai is the only destination that makes sense from flight stats.....there are not any other cities that fit the flight profiles except either Hong Kong or Macau.....and they might go there......but I would think after they go someplace else in China first......

Eva Air  BR15      1:35 am-6:20 am   LAX>TPE
Eva Air  BR712  10:10 am-12:05pm TPE>PNG

China Airlines  CI7     1:15-6:10   LAX>TPE
China Airlines  CI501 9:05 am-1050am  TPE>PVG

Why separate the teams to Taipei though?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on May 27, 2012, 03:24:22 AM
Since Peach said Taipei.. I checked flightstats and I think we got

A) Hong Kong(departures at 8:55 AM & 9:20AM & 10:00/20AM)
B) Shanghai (departures at 9:05 & 10:10AM
C) Guangzhou(10AM, 1:55PM, 2:30PM)

 :lol: :lol: :O  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on May 27, 2012, 03:26:40 AM
LAX seems to be running about 10-15 minutes late tonight.....they were/have been having extremely srtong winds off the ocean the last few days.......

I suspect the teams get tickets and instructions to stay on the same alrline......no changing in Taipei........it will separate the teams by about an hour in Shanghai.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 27, 2012, 04:12:43 AM
If China is correct, it would be the second country after Brazil to have the first leg more than once.
-Brazil was visited first on three different seasons (2, 9, 13)
-China was last visited on the first leg on Season 10
 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on May 27, 2012, 06:05:39 AM
Really? Shanghai again? Hopefully not..
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on May 27, 2012, 09:46:18 AM
Can someone speculate about the start line task and when in ET they will arrive in Shanghai.

The starting task looks amazing if those eleven large metal structures had anything to do with it!

As for arrival in Shanghai, if teams are on the two speculated flights, we can expect them to land in 12 hours and 13.5 hours from now. In New York time, that is at 10.50pm and 12.05am this evening.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on May 27, 2012, 09:51:03 AM
They could go to Hangzhou, they haven't been there :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kenchan on May 27, 2012, 11:44:34 AM
Regarding those tweets with pictures from the live tweets thread...
Maddy, Kendall and Hailey all seem to be part of the same group of girls :ghug: going to Myanmar (some religious group?).
Some of them are posing together in this shot:
https://twitter.com/KendalJameson/status/206521080159027201

No wonder they all posed in the same way!   :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on May 27, 2012, 12:17:51 PM
Okay...I think I can reveal it now...
1st destination is:Shanghai,China :hearts:

Well actually, Shanghai is the only destination that makes sense from flight stats.....there are not any other cities that fit the flight profiles except either Hong Kong or Macau.....and they might go there......but I would think after they go someplace else in China first......

Eva Air  BR15      1:35 am-6:20 am   LAX>TPE
Eva Air  BR712  10:10 am-12:05pm TPE>PNG

China Airlines  CI7     1:15-6:10   LAX>TPE
China Airlines  CI501 9:05 am-1050am  TPE>PVG

Why separate the teams to Taipei though?

I can answer the last question. Based on some studies I did of all the reasonable possibilities, nonstops to Shanghai were too separate in time from any connections in TPE, ICN, NRT, KIX, or PEK (that one was not too bad). However, having both sets of teams go through Taipei keeps them a reasonable separation apart, 75 minutes.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 27, 2012, 12:22:27 PM
Okay...I think I can reveal it now...
1st destination is:Shanghai,China :hearts:

Well actually, Shanghai is the only destination that makes sense from flight stats.....there are not any other cities that fit the flight profiles except either Hong Kong or Macau.....and they might go there......but I would think after they go someplace else in China first......

Eva Air  BR15      1:35 am-6:20 am   LAX>TPE
Eva Air  BR712  10:10 am-12:05pm TPE>PNG

China Airlines  CI7     1:15-6:10   LAX>TPE
China Airlines  CI501 9:05 am-1050am  TPE>PVG

Why separate the teams to Taipei though?

I can answer the last question. Based on some studies I did of all the reasonable possibilities, nonstops to Shanghai were too separate in time from any connections in TPE, ICN, NRT, KIX, or PEK (that one was not too bad). However, having both sets of teams go through Taipei keeps them a reasonable separation apart, 75 minutes.

Yeah, I meant that all teams could've been on the same flight from LAX to TPE and then separated on the two flights to Shanghai. Why put them on two flights to TPE that arrive 10 minutes apart?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on May 27, 2012, 12:41:17 PM
Yeah, I meant that all teams could've been on the same flight from LAX to TPE and then separated on the two flights to Shanghai. Why put them on two flights to TPE that arrive 10 minutes apart?

Because then you can have two distinct counters at LAX that teams need to get to. Having teams on separate flights from LAX makes them seem a lot more separate in the footage.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on May 27, 2012, 12:48:43 PM

Yeah, I meant that all teams could've been on the same flight from LAX to TPE and then separated on the two flights to Shanghai. Why put them on two flights to TPE that arrive 10 minutes apart?

I will give a different answer: Because that is the way World Race Productions does things. They typically design using 2 specified first flights (with teams qualifying for the quicker arrival at the final destination based on some competition at or near the start line) and sometimes even 3 first flights.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 27, 2012, 12:53:02 PM

Yeah, I meant that all teams could've been on the same flight from LAX to TPE and then separated on the two flights to Shanghai. Why put them on two flights to TPE that arrive 10 minutes apart?

I will give a different answer: Because that is the way World Race Productions does things. They typically design using 2 specified first flights (with teams qualifying for the quicker arrival at the final destination based on some competition at or near the start line) and sometimes even 3 first flights.

Since you seem to know everything, when was the last time they used two or more flights to the same connecting city that arrived so closely to each other?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on May 27, 2012, 01:02:27 PM

Yeah, I meant that all teams could've been on the same flight from LAX to TPE and then separated on the two flights to Shanghai. Why put them on two flights to TPE that arrive 10 minutes apart?

I will give a different answer: Because that is the way World Race Productions does things. They typically design using 2 specified first flights (with teams qualifying for the quicker arrival at the final destination based on some competition at or near the start line) and sometimes even 3 first flights.

Since you seem to know everything, when was the last time they used two or more flights to the same connecting city that arrived so closely to each other?
I will sight you the example of AR19, which did not use connecting flights, but those flights to the first destination arrived about 10 minutes apart.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on May 27, 2012, 01:03:25 PM
I think you mean 'cite', apskip ;)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on May 27, 2012, 01:21:58 PM
China Airlines 007 crossed the International Date Line @ 10:58 am EDT. EVA Air 015 crossed the International Date Line @ 11:33 am EDT, for a differential of +35 min lead for CA007.

At 2:15pm EDT......China Air 007 has approx 3 hours and 25 minutes of flying time to Taipei. Eva Air 015 has approx 4 hours of flying time left to Taipei.

Anticipated wheels down on the runway (NOT gate arrival) @ Shanghai is

CI 501  10:30 pm EDT
BR 712  11:45 pm EDT

IF I did the time conversions correctly.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on May 27, 2012, 01:28:17 PM
I'm strongly speculating that one of the earlier flights out of LAX to get to Shanghai contained Phil and production to get ahead of the teams. Got to keep that in mind, folks, Phil has mentioned in the past that in some legs, its a challenge to get ahead of the teams by enough time to film all of his stand ups for a leg so he can leap frog ahead of the teams for the following leg.
Since I don't know when the teams finished departing for LAX from Pasadena, I'm not going to guess which flight that might be.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on May 27, 2012, 02:46:42 PM
The best I found for Phil is to leave about 11:30 pm from LAX........connect through either Seoul or Quangzhou......and beat the teams to Shanghai by about an hour........
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 27, 2012, 02:51:02 PM
Yes, unfortunately he missed all the non stops!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on May 27, 2012, 04:28:09 PM
Now that we know that they are in China, i just hope they go to Guangzhou or Chengdu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hrt:  :hrt: :hrt: :hrt:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 27, 2012, 05:08:38 PM
Both flights have landed. China Air 7 landed at 5:51 AM (17 minutes ago) and Eva Air 15 landed at 5:52 AM (16 minutes ago).
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 27, 2012, 05:35:31 PM
I am showing EVA still enroute and a bit late.

China Airlines 6:10 AM  arr 5:52 AM  T-2
D4  Landed
  On-time  744   
LAX Los Angeles BR 15  EVA Air 6:20 AM  due 6:28 AM ~  T-2
C5  En Route
 


But doesn't matter, they have about 3 hours before their next flight!

Poor babies, they must be half dead by now!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 27, 2012, 07:22:44 PM

Okay...I think I can reveal it now...
1st destination is:Shanghai,China :hearts:

It's a Weihen day today... looking forward for any snaps from shanghai  :<3
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 27, 2012, 08:29:46 PM

Just throwing out these to the floor,

LIVE events in Shangai today, 28 May 2012

1. Children’s Talent Contest
DATE   Apr 22, 2012 - Jun 1, 2012

Both Chinese and foreign children from 3 to 8 years old or 9 to 14 years old are invited to a children’s talent contest organized by the educational role-play theme park Eday town. Winners will have chance to receive formal training in singing, dancing or performing and be invited as guests for famous kiddie TV programs. Registration is available by June on www.edaytown.com


2. New Installation
DATE   Mar 26, 2012 - Mar 28, 2013
VENUE   M50 Taopu
ADDRESS   18 Wuwei Rd E.

“Cross Light,” a new light installation created by Ding Yi, one of the top contemporary artists in Shanghai, was recently settled down at M50 Taopu. The installation, constituted with five groups of LED lights, features Ding’s signature theme – cross. He wraps one building with LED lights.


3. Celebrity Wax Figure
DATE   Dec 2, 2011 - Dec 1, 2012
TIME   10am-9pm
TICKETS   135 yuan for adults; 100 yuan for students
VENUE   Madame Tussauds Shanghai
PHONE   021-6358 7878

The wax figure of British actor Robert Pattinson, who established his fame in "The Twilight" saga is now on display at the Shanghai Madame Tussauds Wax Museum together with other great artists and actors, as well as famous singer like Lady Gaga and Susan Boyle. Visitors can take photos of the wax figure.

More Shanghai LIVE events :

http://live.shanghaidaily.com/on_list.asp?show=2012-5-1&class=174&tags=&area=0&date=2012-5-28&sort_type=publish_time&desc=desc

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 27, 2012, 08:43:29 PM

A good reliable location :


Quote
China's 'Hollywood' shines in business
Updated: Monday, 28 May 2012, 07:59

(http://i.imgur.com/0yv1G.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/D2kPJ.jpg)


Events happen every day at China's "Hollywood", where there has been outdoor scenery available free for domestic and foreign crews to shoot movies and TV dramas since 2000.

The teams that visit Hengdian for the variety of shooting locations have created a huge demand for the service sector in the town, boosting its growth.

Sprinkling of stardust pulls in the tourists, making service sector grow Entertainment celebrities attract not only huge crowds of fans but bring about opportunities for the development of the service sector. This has been perfectly demonstrated by Hengdian, a town in East China's Zhejiang province.

Many Chinese people know of the Hengdian World Studios. However, its parent, Hengdian Group, was originally established as an industrial enterprise and its business mainly deals with industries including electronics, pharmaceuticals and chemicals.

Hengdian Group created a 19th-century Guangzhou street scene covering 319 mu (21.3 hectares) in just more than four months, which has developed into the world's largest film studio.

Hengdian Group invested more than 7 billion yuan ($111 million) in the construction of the set. It boasts 28 large-scale scenic spots and 11 indoor studios.

The outdoor scenic spots include buildings featuring :
1. The architecture of the Ming and Qing dynasties (1368-1911)
2. An imitation of the Palace of the Qin Dynasty (221-206 BC)
3. A Guangzhou street scene
4. A Hong Kong street scene
5. A riverside scene featuring Tomb Sweeping Day (Ching Ming Festival).

A move that distinguished Hengdian World Studios from other studios in the country came in 2000, when Hengdian World Studios Co, the operator of the studios, made it free to shoot outdoor scenes there. This attracted a significantly growing number of cast and crew to China's "Hollywood".

Over the past eight years, a total of more than 900 crew have visited Hengdian studios to make movies and TV dramas, including some from foreign countries. The number of extras recommended to crew through the extras union under the company's control exceeded 4 million in recent years, according to the Hengdian Chinese Film Industrial Park, a national organization founded in 2004 to promote the development of the film and TV drama industries.

The teams that visit Hengdian for the variety of shooting locations created a huge demand for the service sector in the town, boosting its growth. The tertiary industry in the town of Hengdian generated more than 6 billion yuan in revenues last year, accounting for one third of the town's gross domestic product. The job opportunities created in the service sector exceeded 36,000, said Zhu Guoqiang, deputy director of the administration committee at Hengdian Chinese Film Industrial Park. Tourism, catering and hotel services, costume-making and rental for film equipment and props constitute the majority of the service sector in the town.

There are 14 featured shows scattered at different scenic locations around the studios. They derive from the characteristics of the location or are inspired by the films or TV dramas shot there.
"All the shows at Hengdian studios are performed for limited periods. We are continuously creating something new," Zeng said.

As well as tourists, crews are also the main clients of hotels. Zhou said that there are at present about 40 crews shooting in the studios and there have been 50 at the same time.
Currently, the hotel accommodation capacity of Hengdian contributes more than half that of Dongyang, its governing county-level city, with the total number of beds exceeding 15,000. However, its potential remains big because, during the peak travel season, some tourists stay at hotels within an hour's drive from Hengdian.

As the largest base in China for the rental of film and TV production equipment and film props and the hiring of extras, Hengdian exports a variety of resources related to the industry to other areas where filming is being undertaken.

huangying@chinadaily.com.cn

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2012-05/28/content_15398428.htm

browse images of Hendian Studios : http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=hengdian+world+studios

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on May 27, 2012, 10:19:59 PM
OMG a earthquake just happened in China...TAR Curse again
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on May 27, 2012, 10:27:35 PM
No worries. This was 4.6 quake on the Richter scale, which typically is not very damaging. It hit in Hebei, east of Beijing and a long way from Shanghai.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: eddiethejet on May 27, 2012, 10:49:08 PM
i hope they go to my home province of fujian...probably not since it's so small!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 28, 2012, 12:13:43 AM
so weihen, what might they be eating here?


Teams make their way to CuiPing Restaurant(翠萍酒家).

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 28, 2012, 12:19:27 AM
so weihen, what might they be eating here?


Teams make their way to CuiPing Restaurant(翠萍酒家).

RB:eating Papaya stewed with snow clams(木瓜雪蛤)

http://about-chinesefood.com/cookbook/stewed-papaya-with-snow-clam-69/

Frogs?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 28, 2012, 12:22:12 AM
Might not be so bad... I like nearly everything that swims! Hopping...another story! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 28, 2012, 12:26:53 AM
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006060311161

Quote
Snow Frog Jelly (Hasma) - It's part of a traditional Chinese sweet dessert soup (tong sui). The soup can be served hot or cold, and has transluscent white gelatinous blobs floating herein. Those blobs are the "secretions from the glands of the snow frog."
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Parovic on May 28, 2012, 06:14:33 AM
When does the second leg start???
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 28, 2012, 06:19:07 AM
When does the second leg start???

Early tomorrow morning (29-May) Shanghai time if we refer to the 12hrs mandatory rest period..

Could be to rural china or straight to another country since they're still close to the major Int'l airport (PVG)

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: eddiethejet on May 28, 2012, 09:58:21 AM
When does the second leg start???

probably in a few hours.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on May 28, 2012, 10:21:07 AM
When does the second leg start???

probably in a few hours.

Hope to see another leg in China!!!!
Could be great if it was Guangzhou or Chengdu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Joeyengen on May 28, 2012, 10:22:52 AM
I hope they go to Chengdu my friend lives there :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: maxen on May 28, 2012, 10:35:23 AM
I just hope they go to the airport so more people can see them.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selfeviction on May 28, 2012, 10:42:31 AM
I think that the 2 F/F teams are safe through the first leg because of the pitstop photos
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Heliox on May 28, 2012, 01:33:11 PM
I think that the 2 F/F teams are safe through the first leg because of the pitstop photos

Prophet and slowhatch gave this information in live sightings thread:
If the exif is reliable, the blondes at 1:48 and mohawk at 2:12.
And the pink girls at 14:10. I don't know where the goat guys are but they were there at 13:04

And in another photo, I see Big, of big n small, yellow shirt, amongst a crowd up at the pitstop. So assume they are safe as well? It looks like they were checked in and watching others hit the matt. Wonder where they are in relation to the other time stamped photos.

In order of the time stamps given
Goat guys (Beekman boys) 1304 (1:04)
Blondes at 1:48 (1348)
Pink girls (Sri lankan sisters) 1410 (2:10)
Green Mohawk at 1412 (2:12)

Watching this all unfold here makes this the most dynamic and best spoiling on the internet! Great work! My partner will be flying through Europe this week and will be on close watch! (although probably too soon from Asia)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 28, 2012, 01:59:32 PM
If they had a 12 hour pitstop, Leg 2 should have already started for the lead teams.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 28, 2012, 02:28:56 PM
No one knows the pitstop times yet, so....
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on May 28, 2012, 02:29:45 PM
We already know what time teams were there.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on May 28, 2012, 03:47:13 PM
If the Exif data is accurate, we can make the following conclusions:

Four teams were spotted leaving LongYang Road station at 12:00:
The two bearded guys,
The muscly guy and blonde girl,
The blonde girls,
Jaymes & James

The first flight landed about an hour earlier, so that fits in well with this sighting.

That means there are two other teams that were on the first flight as well.

The blonde girls were spotted checking in less than two hours later. Spotted checking in within the next half an hour were Nadine & Natalie and Mr & Mrs Greenbeard, so they may well be the two other first flight teams.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 28, 2012, 03:58:55 PM
There may have been 7 on the first flight...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 28, 2012, 04:44:19 PM

There should be some activity of film preparation around the bund at this time, don't forget to notice if teams are departing by bus or taxi... There's a possibility that they might take some suggestion from China Rush 2 production to go visit rural China?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on May 28, 2012, 04:45:31 PM
It would be interesting to know which team was lost for over an hour...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on May 28, 2012, 05:27:32 PM

There should be some activity of film preparation around the bund at this time, don't forget to notice if teams are departing by bus or taxi... There's a possibility that they might take some suggestion from China Rush 2 production to go visit rural China?

Zouly,

I actually hope you are right about rural China. However, teams frequently take taxis to the international airports for departure relating to the next leg. In this case it would be Pudong airport.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 28, 2012, 06:08:45 PM
They are heading to Jakarta.
Anybody can help us check informartion about when will this plane leave?

GA 895  Garuda Indonesia    10:05 AM       3:25 PM    

Only direct flight according to flightstats. There are possible connections to Singapore that arrive in Jakarta at 4:05 (Singapore Air 960) and 4:20 PM (Garuda Indonesia 831).
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on May 28, 2012, 06:49:02 PM
Although GA895 is the only nonstop flight, there are these flight combinations through TPE, ICN or HKG that get to Jakarta sooner:

BR6371 PVG TPE 0315 0552 (landed) connecting to CI5855 TPE CGK 0810 1205 or
CI5828 PVG TPE 0330 0515  connecting the same

UX61    PVG HKG 0440 0633 connecting to GA873 HKG CGK 0900 1240 or
HX9232 PVG HKG 0500 0700 connecting the same

HX9232 PVG ICN 0420 0718 connecting to GA839 1035 1540 or
KE235   PVG ICN  0505 0735 connecting to same

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on May 28, 2012, 07:02:17 PM
never mind

Those all leave/left too early.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on May 28, 2012, 07:37:55 PM
They are heading to Jakarta.
Anybody can help us check informartion about when will this plane leave?

GA 895  Garuda Indonesia    10:05 AM       3:25 PM    

Only direct flight according to flightstats. There are possible connections to Singapore that arrive in Jakarta at 4:05 (Singapore Air 960) and 4:20 PM (Garuda Indonesia 831).

If they arrive that late in the afternoon in Jakarta and go on to another destination, I expect it will be well into the evening when they get there. Most likely they will have an HoO to equalize everyone the next morning.

If they stay in Jakarta, they may have time to get a leg in.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on May 28, 2012, 08:04:55 PM
GA895, most racers are in this flight.

Clue is
make your way to the Alun Alun in Bangkalan and "roll" with the bulls

The winner of this leg will win Express Pass!!!!!!
2nd leg winner win Express Pass...1st time... 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 28, 2012, 08:05:41 PM
GA895, most racers are in this flight.

Clue is
make your way to the Alun Alun in Bangkalan and "roll" with the bulls

The winner of this leg will win Express Pass!!!!!!
2nd leg winner win Express Pass...1st time...

Maybe there is a 2nd express pass. Do we know if the winners of the 1st leg got one?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on May 28, 2012, 08:10:05 PM
GA895, most racers are in this flight.

Clue is
make your way to the Alun Alun in Bangkalan and "roll" with the bulls

The winner of this leg will win Express Pass!!!!!!
2nd leg winner win Express Pass...1st time...

Maybe there is a 2nd express pass. Do we know if the winners of the 1st leg got one?
No...we can't get close to them
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on May 28, 2012, 08:13:26 PM
Here some Bull Racing in Bangkalan

http://www.youtube.com/v/PVKcySwXD9U?version=3&amp;hl
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on May 28, 2012, 08:16:13 PM
Didn't we have bull racing in the second India leg of TAR 4? (with mud, IIRC)

edit - Looks like Leafsfan and I had the same thought at the same time. :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 28, 2012, 08:17:58 PM
I'm so glad that they're going to Madura island, lots of cultures to be explore...

Speculated route:

1. From JUANDA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT,

(http://i.imgur.com/pxJMj.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/xJ6hO.jpg)



2. teams are either take a taxi or provided cars,

3. cross the SURAMADU BRIDGE

(http://i.imgur.com/BqcRx.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/sYdlZ.jpg)


4. arrive in Madura island, and engage in Karapan Sapi (Bull racing)

(http://i.imgur.com/GDQzB.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/hVmKO.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/wokMF.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/JgQQ5.jpg)

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 28, 2012, 08:30:35 PM

Are they going to take a train or connect with a flight? I'll check train's schedule in Gambir then go to Soetta Airport

Train is also quite possible if they wanna make it an overnight journey to Surabaya,

I'm pretty sure they wanna have the Bull racing event during the day not the night time... :P

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 28, 2012, 08:34:49 PM
I also believe they flew to Surabaya too.  Juanda International Airport is the third largest and third busiest airport in Indonesia.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 28, 2012, 08:39:58 PM
I also believe they flew to Surabaya too.  Juanda International Airport is the third largest and third busiest airport in Indonesia.

Via a connector at Jakarta?

If you mean flight connections thru Jakarta, then yes.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on May 28, 2012, 08:44:05 PM
GA895, most racers are in this flight.

Clue is
make your way to the Alun Alun in Bangkalan and "roll" with the bulls

The winner of this leg will win Express Pass!!!!!!
2nd leg winner win Express Pass...1st time...

Maybe there is a 2nd express pass. Do we know if the winners of the 1st leg got one?
No...we can't get close to them

Maybe the Salvage Pass from TARAus will be Leg 1 and the Express Pass for Leg 2? ???
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on May 28, 2012, 08:45:35 PM
 :lol3:

(http://acimg.auctivacommerce.com/imgdata/0/1/9/3/9/7/webimg/3430754.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on May 28, 2012, 09:04:31 PM
If they don't fly to Surabaya then the train option gives:   Seat 61 (http://www.seat61.com/Indonesia.htm)

Quote
Jakarta to Surabaya by train...

Lots of trains link Jakarta with Surabaya, via at least two major routes, but the best Jakarta-Surabaya train is the 'Argo Bromo Anggrek' service, which is Executive class only, modern and air-conditioned, snacks and mineral water included in the fare.  It has comfortable reclining seats with footrests.  There is both a daytime service and a time-effective overnight service.  However, the night trains no longer have sleepers, just seats.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on May 28, 2012, 09:04:49 PM
GA895, most racers are in this flight.

Clue is
make your way to the Alun Alun in Bangkalan and "roll" with the bulls

The winner of this leg will win Express Pass!!!!!!
2nd leg winner win Express Pass...1st time...

Maybe there is a 2nd express pass. Do we know if the winners of the 1st leg got one?
No...we can't get close to them

Maybe the Salvage Pass from TARAus will be Leg 1 and the Express Pass for Leg 2? ???
:duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 28, 2012, 09:07:15 PM
Yeah I also think that they will go by train since the train station is closer to Madura than airport
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on May 28, 2012, 09:07:23 PM
Since flying arrives 6:00 pm Tuesday and Bull Racing is in next day (Wednesday) daylight, the Train option, arriving Wednesday at 5:44 or 7:30 am, is effectively equivalent.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on May 28, 2012, 09:11:36 PM
GA895, most racers are in this flight.

Clue is
make your way to the Alun Alun in Bangkalan and "roll" with the bulls

The winner of this leg will win Express Pass!!!!!!
2nd leg winner win Express Pass...1st time...

Maybe there is a 2nd express pass. Do we know if the winners of the 1st leg got one?

Maybe there was another power given in the first leg or a choice between it and the express pass?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 28, 2012, 09:24:34 PM
Maybe there was another power given in the first leg or a choice between it and the express pass?

I don't like that idea, to be honest. One power is more than enough for me. Let's just hope the prize for the winner of the first leg is just a regular trip
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on May 28, 2012, 09:51:25 PM
Didn't we have bull racing in the second India leg of TAR 4? (with mud, IIRC)

edit - Looks like Leafsfan and I had the same thought at the same time. :)

From TVcom recap of episode 7 of TAR4:

"ROADBLOCK  This leg's Roadblock required the chosen team member to take part in bull-racing. This was an Indian sport invented 100 years ago by local farmers. The challenge was to hang on to a team of bulls while going for a ride on a mud track the size of an American football field. If team members were able to hang on without falling off up until the end, they would receive their clue. However: If the team member fell off while other people were waiting, the person would have to go to the back of the line and wait for their next turn. These are the people who performed and completed this Roadblock: David, Reichen, Al, Jon, Tian and Chuck."
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on May 28, 2012, 10:06:34 PM
Since flying arrives 6:00 pm Tuesday and Bull Racing is in next day (Wednesday) daylight, the Train option, arriving Wednesday at 5:44 or 7:30 am, is effectively equivalent.

Chateau,
I think your schedule for flying is off by 24 hours. Teams can get to Jakarta by 1540 today (that being May 29 in east Asia for the past 11 hours) or earlier and get on a flight at 1640 and arrive at 1810 ON MONDAY MAY 29th.

NOTE: I stand corrected. It was me off by 24 hours.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 28, 2012, 10:08:06 PM
Since flying arrives 6:00 pm Tuesday and Bull Racing is in next day (Wednesday) daylight, the Train option, arriving Wednesday at 5:44 or 7:30 am, is effectively equivalent.

Chateau,
I think your schedule for flying is off by 24 hours. Teams can get to Jakarta by 1540 today (that being May 29 in east Asia for the past 11 hours) or earlier and get on a flight at 1640 and arrive at 1810 ON MONDAY MAY 29th.

May 29th is Tuesday.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 28, 2012, 10:09:46 PM
one of the biggest and largest Indonesian community online forum that has been very helpful in spoiling TAR 19 is now being shut down... I don't know for how long, but I guess there's a security agenda...   :umn:

ETA: it's like a Weibo version in China for Indonesians community...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kamineko on May 28, 2012, 10:44:50 PM
one of the biggest and largest Indonesian community online forum that has been very helpful in spoiling TAR 19 is now being shut down... I don't know for how long, but I guess there's a security agenda...   :umn:

ETA: it's like a Weibo version in China for Indonesians community...
That Indonesian forum has members from all around Indonesia. So, it's going to be easy for them to look for the teams, even if they go to remote places in Indonesia. ;)

Yeah, I kinda waiting for it to be fixed too... However, some of the users from that forum had created a private group to discuss about almost all the spoilers (since TAR19), and not all users are invited. So, it's pretty hard for some to search for spoilers. :( :umn:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazingracer921 on May 28, 2012, 10:48:15 PM
Will there be a double elimination this leg?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 28, 2012, 11:01:24 PM
Will there be a double elimination this leg?

Indonesia become a home for double elimination <333

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on May 28, 2012, 11:05:09 PM
Will there be a double elimination this leg?
I don't  think so,no mentioned "double elimination" in their clue.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on May 29, 2012, 04:30:35 AM
As a nightime arrival is expected in Bangkalan, first teams should arrive at bull race facility by 9pm-local, they will very likely be bunched together for a Wednesday 7am-local event, which should take place by 8pm EDT Tuesday.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Va Va Voom on May 29, 2012, 07:01:49 AM
I hope the gay team and the chipndale team makes it super far :wohoo:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on May 29, 2012, 09:14:43 AM
If they also are in Surabaya, this could be a great pitstop:Heroic Monument, also known as Heroes Monument! :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: reta on May 29, 2012, 09:17:16 AM
Chipndale team seems more "social" than other teams...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 29, 2012, 10:17:29 AM
When someone says Madura, there are at least three things that cross my mind: sate, barbershop and salt. I'm not surprised if there will be tasks related to them
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on May 29, 2012, 10:30:57 AM
Chipndale team seems more "social" than other teams...

 :lol:
I have to agree!  I saw them getting fed right off of people's plates in the LAX food court!   :food: :beer2: :please: :hosed
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kamineko on May 29, 2012, 10:41:53 AM
All teams have arrived in Alun-Alun. Hour of Operations: 8 AM in the morning (about 9 hours from now)

Credit goes to my friend in Bangkalan, DavidPutra
Okay, let's sleep... I bet they're going to sleep too. :lol:

Anyway, does your friend know how many teams are there? :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kamineko on May 29, 2012, 11:04:02 AM
These are two places I predict to be the Pit Stop of leg 2 if they're staying in Madura:

1. Kraton Sumenep
(http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h396/kamineko23/4836193031_7dbb199886.jpg)

2. Lombang Beach
(http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h396/kamineko23/LOMBANG-BEACH-05.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kamineko on May 29, 2012, 11:05:14 AM
So, Leg 1 is DEFINITELY an elimination leg, right? :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on May 29, 2012, 11:34:48 AM
So, Leg 1 is DEFINITELY an elimination leg, right? :tup:

I'm sure they can see all the teams at the HOO so it probably was
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: krabbe on May 29, 2012, 11:42:47 AM
I'm thinking after the bull racing (roadblock), they do a detour. Either something to do with salt production or making shrimp paste. Then go to Surabaya for pitstop. Next leg either stay in Surabaya or go to Bali, then from there Australia or New Zealand, then Europe.

Other detour options in Madura: something to do with batik, jamu (herbal drink), food or agribusiness (corn or tobacco).

Btw, Madura is very hot & arid. Teams would probably struggle tomorrow  :( 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selfeviction on May 29, 2012, 11:50:26 AM
So do we know which team wasn't seen at the HOO?? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Heliox on May 29, 2012, 12:23:13 PM
Chipndale team seems more "social" than other teams...

That's cool! Maybe they could be another alpha male team like Brian and Greg. Hopefully they are likeable and have a sense of humor.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on May 29, 2012, 12:57:39 PM
No reports on who was present at the HOO yet! Very excited to see the bull racing though!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on May 29, 2012, 02:02:31 PM
Mr and Mrs Greenbeard have roller backpacks based on photos I saw of them, and reta said that the first team to arrive at the Shanghai airport and get tickets was the older couple with roller backpacks, so I think our first eliminated team was the older couple with the red bandanas. If only we could have info on who checked in when. Ah well.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on May 29, 2012, 02:08:58 PM
I'm guessing the twins might have finished first in Leg 1.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on May 29, 2012, 02:11:10 PM
Mr and Mrs Greenbeard have roller backpacks based on photos I saw of them, and reta said that the first team to arrive at the Shanghai airport and get tickets was the older couple with roller backpacks, so I think our first eliminated team was the older couple with the red bandanas

Great spot Kiwi Jay! In Chateau's photo of them at LAX here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27200.msg759045.html#msg759045), you can see them both wheeling baggage.

We know that the blonde twins were on the first flight to Shanghai, so these guys were probably very near the front. If Greenbeard did arrive at the airport first in Leg Two, its likely the twins might have finished first.

This picture (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2021/LAX/Slowhatch/M-Fmohawk.jpg) shows the same
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on May 29, 2012, 02:11:24 PM
Pure speculation yes, but based on that I tentatively believe our red bandana older couple were Eliminated 1st in Shanghai. I hope we might get a scoop on arrival orders in Leg 1 after all...considering Peach 'knows when they were there'...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: walkingpneumonia on May 29, 2012, 02:27:38 PM
GA895, most racers are in this flight.

Clue is
make your way to the Alun Alun in Bangkalan and "roll" with the bulls

The winner of this leg will win Express Pass!!!!!!
This is really intriguing - the Express Pass in previous races was awarded to the team that won the first leg - in TAR US anyways.
Very speculative - but is it possible that the leg in Shanghai is a TBC - (To Be Continued) and that no one was eliminated?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on May 29, 2012, 02:30:26 PM
GA895, most racers are in this flight.

Clue is
make your way to the Alun Alun in Bangkalan and "roll" with the bulls

The winner of this leg will win Express Pass!!!!!!
This is really intriguing - the Express Pass in previous races was awarded to the team that won the first leg - in TAR US anyways.
Very speculative - but is it possible that the leg in Shanghai is a TBC - (To Be Continued) and that no one was eliminated?

I would suggest not, because in the same situation in TAR 18, Gary & Mallory were awarded the Express Pass. It seems that TAR treats a TBC leg as seperate legs nowadays. Also, we've had reports of only 10 teams at both Shanghai airport and Bangkalan.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on May 29, 2012, 03:33:26 PM
So cool if Bali or Lombok is leg 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :luvya: :luvya: :luvya: :luvya:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 29, 2012, 06:57:59 PM
Race set t continue in 4 minutes?

An hour from now.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on May 29, 2012, 06:58:27 PM
Yeah we still have a little time. It was 9 hours...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 30, 2012, 04:24:21 AM
What is the Roadblock anyway? Do teams persuade local children to ride odong-odong or something? :O

And I also was wondering why they bother across the island to pick up the first clue  ???
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 30, 2012, 04:26:56 AM

If Leg-3 turns out to stay in Indonesia, the speculation on visiting the hot mud flow in Sidoarjo could be a possibilty, if the production want to make a "do for a good cause" concept.

An article about the Disaster is here :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidoarjo_mud_flow

A lot of family lost their houses and suffer a long term trauma and up until now some of them still stay in a poor condition under the tent...

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on May 30, 2012, 04:28:32 AM
does anyone know if the blonde FF team survived Leg 2?!? Prama????  :'(
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selfeviction on May 30, 2012, 06:44:27 AM
Who do we know for sure, survived Leg 2???
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 30, 2012, 08:29:25 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/r7fs3.jpg)

Leg-1 is definitely an elimination leg?,

only 10 numbers displayed, but not sure if the eleventh one taken by the first team arrived there..
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on May 30, 2012, 08:31:26 AM
Wouldn't they take number one? ??? Or maybe WRP is trying to trick us by hiding the last one :sab #occamsrazor
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on May 30, 2012, 08:32:57 AM
GA895, most racers are in this flight.

Clue is
make your way to the Alun Alun in Bangkalan and "roll" with the bulls

The winner of this leg will win Express Pass!!!!!!
This is really intriguing - the Express Pass in previous races was awarded to the team that won the first leg - in TAR US anyways.
Very speculative - but is it possible that the leg in Shanghai is a TBC - (To Be Continued) and that no one was eliminated?

I would suggest not, because in the same situation in TAR 18, Gary & Mallory were awarded the Express Pass. It seems that TAR treats a TBC leg as seperate legs nowadays. Also, we've had reports of only 10 teams at both Shanghai airport and Bangkalan.

In lieu of TAR Aus, I wonder if the Salvage Pass was given out on the first leg. If TAR Aus 2 gives the express pass in Leg 2 it will seem even more likely that that is what they did here.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prama on May 30, 2012, 08:33:36 AM
does anyone know if the blonde FF team survived Leg 2?!? Prama????  :'(

Who do we know for sure, survived Leg 2???

These teams are safe:
Show content
Sri Lankan sisters -- check in FIRST, win EP (??)
Je-Jo-ish couple
Chippendale
Hippies
Goat Farmers
Young Cute Couple (??)


These teams are at risk
Show content
Mohawk
Michigan
Amputee girl and BF
Blondies
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: bcp19 on May 30, 2012, 11:37:57 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/r7fs3.jpg)

Leg-1 is definitely an elimination leg?,

only 10 numbers displayed, but not sure if the eleventh one taken by the first team arrived there..
There's a spot for an eleventh number to hang there, so they could be being tricky.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: eragon on May 30, 2012, 12:07:45 PM
OMG! I hope the blondies are safe!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on May 30, 2012, 01:07:59 PM
GA895, most racers are in this flight.

Clue is
make your way to the Alun Alun in Bangkalan and "roll" with the bulls

The winner of this leg will win Express Pass!!!!!!

New Update: It's already 8 AM but the race hasn't started. They are still preparing things. He also said so many helicopters above Alun-Alun :lol:

credit to DP

NO TASK in Alun-Alun. They got a Route Info from a clue giver. Our detective is now following where they're going next. Teams are taking taxi.

This series of events makes me think that something went wrong with the implementation of the task and that it was cut. Reta couldn't have known about the bull running if it wasn't included as part of the first clue, but then it sounds like that after teams were held up at the Alun Alun and that the task didn't even take place.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selfeviction on May 30, 2012, 01:09:18 PM
Do we know when Leg 3 will start because its has been over 12 hours
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on May 30, 2012, 01:17:17 PM
Do we know when Leg 3 will start because its has been over 12 hours

I don't think production sticks to the strict 12/24 hour rule any more. It is currently 1.15am in Surabaya right now, so we might have to wait until morning..
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: krabbe on May 30, 2012, 02:33:57 PM
I agree, Dom El. Why take a number, wait for HOO if it's just a route info?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on May 30, 2012, 02:42:41 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/r7fs3.jpg)

Leg-1 is definitely an elimination leg?,

only 10 numbers displayed, but not sure if the eleventh one taken by the first team arrived there..
What are those things actually? Could it have to something with a RI task?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on May 30, 2012, 02:47:47 PM
They look a bit like pecuts or whips used for the bull racing

(http://i.imgur.com/oii85.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Snooky on May 30, 2012, 02:48:57 PM
candlez
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on May 30, 2012, 02:50:07 PM
They look a bit like pecuts or whips used for the bull racing

(http://i.imgur.com/oii85.jpg)
Could be?  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: coolio on May 30, 2012, 03:13:15 PM
The numbers probably refer to what bull you get.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: krabbe on May 30, 2012, 03:16:38 PM
Yes, Addie, they're whips for bull racing.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on May 30, 2012, 04:13:30 PM
GA895, most racers are in this flight.

Clue is
make your way to the Alun Alun in Bangkalan and "roll" with the bulls

The winner of this leg will win Express Pass!!!!!!
2nd leg winner win Express Pass...1st time...

Maybe there is a 2nd express pass. Do we know if the winners of the 1st leg got one?
No...we can't get close to them

Maybe the Salvage Pass from TARAus will be Leg 1 and the Express Pass for Leg 2? ???

GA895, most racers are in this flight.

Clue is
make your way to the Alun Alun in Bangkalan and "roll" with the bulls

The winner of this leg will win Express Pass!!!!!!
This is really intriguing - the Express Pass in previous races was awarded to the team that won the first leg - in TAR US anyways.
Very speculative - but is it possible that the leg in Shanghai is a TBC - (To Be Continued) and that no one was eliminated?

I would suggest not, because in the same situation in TAR 18, Gary & Mallory were awarded the Express Pass. It seems that TAR treats a TBC leg as seperate legs nowadays. Also, we've had reports of only 10 teams at both Shanghai airport and Bangkalan.

Agree.  I finished watching TARAUS 2 first episode, and the SALVAGE PASS (in this version) has two options:  save last team from elimination or start the next leg one hour earlier.  If there was a SP (in the same terms that TARAUS) in this season of TAR, the winner team of Leg 1 could have decided to take the second option instead of the first one.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on May 30, 2012, 07:09:17 PM
How long has it been since the last pitstop?

It looks like it's been about 17-18 hours.  It seems like that's how long I've been refreshing my screen.  :popcorn:

I think the sun should be up there now.  Rise and shine, racers! :hoot:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 30, 2012, 07:28:52 PM
I think the leg 3 has started. Just saw a random tweet saying that foreign people try to get a taxi
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 30, 2012, 08:07:07 PM
http://transportinfo.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/jadwal-stasiun-gubeng-maret-2012/

There's train departing at 9.00, but the deatination is Banyuwangi, the most easthern region in Java. If they go to Malang, they will take Penataran that will depart 10.47
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on May 30, 2012, 08:12:44 PM
To Banyuwangi, that means they will go to Bali

Penyeberangan ferry (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/8205029)

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/8205029.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 30, 2012, 08:15:00 PM
To Banyuwangi, that means they will go to Bali

by ferry, yes, while Phil took a plane there,

can someone check on the flight status from Juanda International to Ngurah Rai International this morning or last night??

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on May 30, 2012, 08:27:00 PM
Lots of flights  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 30, 2012, 08:41:52 PM

All possible trains depart this morning from Gubeng Train Station, Surabaya :



Executive First Class :

Train No.  -  Train Name -  Depart at  -  Departure Time  -  Arrive at  -  Arrival time  -  Stopping by at



(http://i.imgur.com/6vaM9.jpg)


Business Class :

(http://i.imgur.com/E3LNK.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/GUEDc.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on May 30, 2012, 09:33:59 PM
Thank God! The Michigan team is still alive! :hearts:

I was getting worried there. The one time we get an actual team, it would be a huge disappointment if they lost this early. And no, I don't consider Hayden/Aaron a Michigan team...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selfeviction on May 30, 2012, 09:35:05 PM
Heres my speculated boot list:
Leg 1- father/daughter red bandanna
Leg 2- double amputee and boyfriend
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: bcp19 on May 30, 2012, 10:39:16 PM
The train trip looks to be roughly 300 miles, would that work out to a 6-8 hour run?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selfeviction on May 30, 2012, 10:42:12 PM
The train trip looks to be roughly 300 miles, would that work out to a 6-8 hour run?
What city/village are they going to  :duno: :duno: :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on May 30, 2012, 10:45:35 PM
The train trip looks to be roughly 300 miles, would that work out to a 6-8 hour run?

Apparently, it's this train:   9.20 Logawa  KA129 to Purwokerto.  Theodorus also believes this is the right one, only he specs they wouldn't go all the way to Purwokerto, because - as you stated - the long ride (they will arrive at 18.24 local time).  He thinks they going to leave the train in some middle destination; if I understood him well.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 30, 2012, 10:55:30 PM
The train trip looks to be roughly 300 miles, would that work out to a 6-8 hour run?

Apparently, it's this train:   9.20 Logawa  KA129 to Purwokerto.  Theodorus also believes this is the right one, only he specs they wouldn't go all the way to Purwokerto, because - as you stated - the long ride (they will arrive at 18.24 local time).  He thinks they going to leave the train in some middle destination; if I understood him well.

You understand me well, Alenavada :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: bcp19 on May 30, 2012, 10:59:17 PM
Peach, here's a map showing the train station and the circled town is where we think the train is headed:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on May 30, 2012, 11:02:37 PM
The train trip looks to be roughly 300 miles, would that work out to a 6-8 hour run?

Apparently, it's this train:   9.20 Logawa  KA129 to Purwokerto.  Theodorus also believes this is the right one, only he specs they wouldn't go all the way to Purwokerto, because - as you stated - the long ride (they will arrive at 18.24 local time).  He thinks they going to leave the train in some middle destination; if I understood him well.

You understand me well, Alenavada :tup:

 :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 30, 2012, 11:07:29 PM
In addition, if teams take the economy class, which is the cheapest one, the arrival time may not be punctual. It can be late for more than one hour!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 30, 2012, 11:12:02 PM
Thanks bcp!! So....Bali maybe? ???
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on May 30, 2012, 11:15:39 PM
Thanks bcp!! So....Bali maybe? ???

Doubt it. Looks like the train is heading west (in the general direction of Jakarta) while Bali is east of Surabaya. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on May 30, 2012, 11:37:27 PM
With the timing and number of trains potentially involved, in my mind they are converging on Yogyakarta.  But I'll admit my head is spinning.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 30, 2012, 11:39:32 PM
With the timing and number of trains potentially involved, in my mind they are converging on Yogyakarta.  But I'll admit my head is spinning.

No :groan: I hope not!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on May 30, 2012, 11:42:37 PM
With the timing and number of trains potentially involved, in my mind they are converging on Yogyakarta.  But I'll admit my head is spinning.

No :groan: I hope not!

It's like they come back here in TAR22, and have again a leg in Salta. :(
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 30, 2012, 11:48:20 PM
Actually, if teams really ride Logawa train, I don't think they will go to Purwokerto, since it is really hard from there to get out of Indonesia. The closest airport from Purwokerto is in Cilacap, which is 40 km south, and from there, you can only fly to Halim Airport in Jakarta. My speculation is they go to a big towns that have major airport.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 30, 2012, 11:56:26 PM
International/National comercial airport along the train route:

Surakarta (Solo) - Adi Sumarmo Airport
Yogyakarta (Jogja) - Adi Sucipto Int'l Airport

 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 30, 2012, 11:58:54 PM
^ That's what I thought, Zouly. Once again, it's just pure speculation
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on May 31, 2012, 12:05:38 AM
Yogyakarta (Jogja) - Adi Sucipto Int'l Airport

My vote is for a flight from here.  It's the third largest airport on the island. 

A few possible places to fly to:
Bali, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Air on May 31, 2012, 02:55:46 AM
Actually, if teams really ride Logawa train, I don't think they will go to Purwokerto, since it is really hard from there to get out of Indonesia. The closest airport from Purwokerto is in Cilacap, which is 40 km south, and from there, you can only fly to Halim Airport in Jakarta. My speculation is they go to a big towns that have major airport.

Very good point!!  :tup: I agree that I think they are going to Jakarta.

Not Yogyakarta please!   (:;)

Also the clue that says 'Go to Jakarta' could say 'Go to Batavia' instead  because Jakarta was originally called Batavia.
This is presuming that they are going to Jakarta.

It's also possible that production told them to take a train to Jakarta and then fly.
Yes, I know, it's highly unlikely but you never know!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jobby on May 31, 2012, 03:43:38 AM
Baby, come to Singapore! :lol:

 :hearts:

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jobby on May 31, 2012, 03:46:15 AM
Okay, as you all know they LOVE the Marina Bay Sands (Sky Park).

I did a check, and according to the website...

http://www.marinabaysands.com/Sands-SkyPark/

Please be advised there will be a private event at 4pm, 7 June 2012:
• the Observation Deck will be closed
• the 9pm tour will be cancelled
We apologise for the inconvenience caused.

4pm, 7th June... Too far away. Don't think it is even possible, lololol. It would have been like... Leg 5 already? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on May 31, 2012, 03:59:23 AM
I think Malaysia is next.

Flights from Surabaya tomorrow June 1st

Show content
KUL Kuala Lumpur   QZ 7617     
Indonesia AirAsia    5:40 AM          Scheduled
320   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   AK 1393     
AirAsia    8:50 AM          Scheduled
320   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   MZ 830     
Merpati Nusantara Airlines    10:10 AM          Scheduled
734   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   QZ 7613     
Indonesia AirAsia    12:10 PM          Scheduled
320   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   QZ 7615     
Indonesia AirAsia    6:25 PM          Scheduled
320   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   AK 1397     
AirAsia    8:10 PM   


Flights from Jakarta to Kuala Lumpur

Show content
KUL Kuala Lumpur   MH 726   
Malaysia Airline    5:00 AM       T-2    Scheduled
738   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   UL 2726^   
Sri Lankan Airlines    5:00 AM       T-2    Scheduled
738   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   KE 8369      Korean Air    5:55 AM          Scheduled
74Y   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   KE 8370      Korean Air    5:55 AM          Scheduled
74Y   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   QZ 7690     
Indonesia AirAsia    6:25 AM       T-2    Scheduled
320   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   RI 700        Mandala Airlines    7:30 AM       T-3    Scheduled
320   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   AK 1381     
AirAsia    8:35 AM       T-2    Scheduled
320   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   GA 820     
Garuda Indonesia    8:50 AM       T-2    Scheduled
738   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   JT* 282        Lion Airlines    9:05 AM       T-1    Scheduled
739   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   MH 712   
Malaysia Airline    9:40 AM       T-2    Scheduled
738   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   MH 710   
Malaysia Airline    11:10 AM       T-2    Scheduled
738   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   QZ 7692     
Indonesia AirAsia    11:30 AM       T-2    Scheduled
320   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   JT* 280        Lion Airlines    11:40 AM       T-1    Scheduled
739   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   QZ 7694     
Indonesia AirAsia    1:15 PM       T-2    Scheduled
320   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   GA 816     
Garuda Indonesia    2:35 PM       T-2    Scheduled
738   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   AK 1385     
AirAsia    2:50 PM    2:50 PM ~    T-2    Scheduled
  On-time    320   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   RI 704     
Mandala Airlines    3:15 PM       T-3    Scheduled
320   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   MH 720   
Malaysia Airline    3:45 PM    3:45 PM ~    T-2    Scheduled
  On-time    738   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   GA 818     
Garuda Indonesia    5:10 PM       T-2    Scheduled
738   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   QZ 7696     
Indonesia AirAsia    6:05 PM       T-2    Scheduled
320   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   MH 722   
Malaysia Airline    6:15 PM       T-2    Scheduled
738   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   KL 810   
KLM    6:50 PM       T-2    Scheduled
777   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   AF 8398^   
Air France    6:50 PM       T-2    Scheduled
777   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   MH 724   
Malaysia Airline    7:35 PM       T-2    Scheduled
738   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   AK 1389     
AirAsia    8:30 PM       T-2    Scheduled
320   
KUL Kuala Lumpur   KU 416     
Kuwait Airways    11:05 PM
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 31, 2012, 04:15:59 AM

Please be Melbourne...  :lol:

and now we're losing their track...  :(  :'(

should've put GPS attached in one of the racer's bag by our detctive friends in Indonesia... :P
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prama on May 31, 2012, 04:24:42 AM

Please be Melbourne...  :lol:

and now we're losing their track...  :(  :'(

should've put GPS attached in one of the racer's bag by our detctive friends in Indonesia... :P

yeah, we lose their track :(
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 31, 2012, 07:11:00 AM
I really envy those high school student :gaah: I always hope TAR will visit my high school one day, but that day never comes until my graduation :res:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 31, 2012, 07:28:35 AM
Well, since the third leg took place in bangil, Pasuruan, which is not quite far from Surabaya, somebody needs to stay alert in Juanda International Airport tomorrow :hugs:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 31, 2012, 08:46:24 AM

Bangil is a really..really.. random place to be visit honestly,..

TAR 19 Leg 3 was also a random rural village but was saved by the miracle Borobudur Temple...

we don't know what will save this leg... it's such a random place...

except the fact that Bangil ever got an award as the cleanest suburb from the president, and ever break a national record (MURI) to held the longest fashion show on the street (1KM)

Bangil's nickname is City of Embroidery, means that the main household production is on the clothing, a lot of embroidery art applied to clothes, shoes, and other accessories...


some snaps from Bangil town.. :


"Welcome to Bangil" town gate

(http://www.bangil.info/files/bangil_bangkodir.jpg)


Bangil map :


(http://i.imgur.com/cVpUI.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 31, 2012, 09:05:41 AM
Just like TAR 12 in Bingo :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kamineko on May 31, 2012, 09:23:57 AM
Is leg 3 finished already?? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 31, 2012, 09:28:28 AM
Is leg 3 finished already?? :duno:
Yes, I guess
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: krabbe on May 31, 2012, 09:55:21 AM
She has deleted her tweet, but it's definitely TAR. She mentioned earlier it was for an American reality TV show.
So far based on her tweets the locations we have for the Bangil leg: the town square, high school, & park. She mentioned "quiz" but dunno if she's referring to a quiz task or a game show-like TV series.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: krabbe on May 31, 2012, 10:05:55 AM
Although I wish they have to transit through Jakarta just like TAR 19, but I think they're flying out of the country directly from Surabaya. Even if they leave Asia, they can transit via Singapore, Hong Kong, & Kuala Lumpur for better flight connections. Unless, of course, they have to go to Thailand (again!) or Laos/Cambodia then they might transit in Jakarta.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on May 31, 2012, 11:51:34 AM
Great job to the Indonesian team!!

If you can translate any of the tweets in Indonesia, please do!

And if anyone can post a map of where the heck we are, it would be appreciated!!


very basic map.

top marker is the Gubeng train station

bottom marker train station in  Bangil
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on May 31, 2012, 11:55:57 AM
Just looking at a map suggests flying to Denpasar and ongoing to AUS as a possibility too.

***pure spec only***
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: krabbe on May 31, 2012, 12:00:40 PM
Just looking at a map suggests flying to Denpasar and ongoing to AUS as a possibility too.

***pure spec only***

Yep, there are direct flights to Australia from Bali.

BTW, Bangil is such a random destination  :umn: I'm Indonesian & I consider myself well traveled but I don't know where that was. Although now after Google map I know  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: bcp19 on May 31, 2012, 12:04:51 PM
Are teams headed in 2 directions or does the 9.20 Logawa  KA129 to Purwokerto the teams got on go through bangil?  Bangil is south (by about 25-30 miles) and Purwokerto is west (about 400 miles).
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jobby on May 31, 2012, 12:20:07 PM
I am still going with gut feeling, that it's either Australia/New Zealand or Bangladesh/Sri Lanka/India.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 31, 2012, 01:25:39 PM
She mentioned "quiz" but dunno if she's referring to a quiz task or a game show-like TV series.

That's refer to her school exam, no relation with TAR :tup:

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on May 31, 2012, 02:57:24 PM
I doubt that we see Bali and Lombok this time around, it is a large touristspot so there would have been a lot of tweets, if they went there.

My guess is Europe next. :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on May 31, 2012, 06:08:03 PM
Leg 4 should start couple of hours ago,

We couldn't send any of our team to the airport :(, most of them are at schoool/college now, we can just wait for twitter/facebook updates..
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on May 31, 2012, 08:38:32 PM
Are teams headed in 2 directions or does the 9.20 Logawa  KA129 to Purwokerto the teams got on go through bangil?  Bangil is south (by about 25-30 miles) and Purwokerto is west (about 400 miles).
No. Logawa train doesn't visit Bangil, the route is different. We believe that they rode Penataran train
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 01, 2012, 01:38:35 AM
The flight from Surabaya to Jakarta landed around 4 hours ago, so teams have likely already got on another flight to an unknown destination.

Teams are likely not going to Singapore, Hong Kong or KL due to quicker direct flights from Surabaya.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on June 01, 2012, 01:44:26 AM
The flight from Surabaya to Jakarta landed around 4 hours ago, so teams have likely already got on another flight to an unknown destination.

Teams are likely not going to Singapore, Hong Kong or KL due to quicker direct flights from Surabaya.

What about Bangkok?
GA 866       Garuda Indonesia      (BKK) Bangkok      10:24 AM

Or Jeddah, which is unlikely
GA 980       Garuda Indonesia      (JED) Jeddah      12:17 PM

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on June 01, 2012, 01:49:32 AM
Based on this site
Show content
http://www.jakartaairportonline.com/flight-status-arrivals-departures

There are only flights to Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Hong Kong and Guangzhou in between 6.00 - 9.00 a.m.

By leaving out Dom El's prediction (Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Hong Kong), there are only direct flights to Bangkok and Jeddah at 9.00 a.m. - 12.00 p.m.

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 01, 2012, 01:49:38 AM
I thought they landed an hour ago> They could still be there!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 01, 2012, 01:51:36 AM
Current Jakarta time:

Current Time Friday, June 1, 2012 at 1:50:41 PM WIB
 

They arrived at 1!!

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on June 01, 2012, 01:54:10 AM
These are international flights (minus Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Hong Kong) at 1.00 - 3.00 p.m.

GA 868       Garuda Indonesia      (BKK) Bangkok      01:00 PM
CI 762       China Airlines      (TPE) Taipei      02:00 PM      
DL 7745 ^    Delta Air Lines    (TPE) Taipei    02:00 PM
BR 238       EVA Air      (TPE) Taipei      02:15 PM

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 01, 2012, 01:55:23 AM
I think Singapore is the MOST likely.

Where there are also lots of flights to AUS,,,but they could have gone there via Denpasar.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 01, 2012, 02:00:51 AM
If they arr at 1, it will be after 2 before dep, maybe later, CBS leaves them lots of time.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on June 01, 2012, 02:04:01 AM
Doha anyone?

QR 673       Qatar Airways      (DOH) Doha      05:40 PM
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 01, 2012, 02:09:34 AM
Doha anyone?

QR 673       Qatar Airways      (DOH) Doha      05:40 PM

Dep from where?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on June 01, 2012, 02:11:08 AM
From Soekarno-Hatta International Airport.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on June 01, 2012, 02:21:02 AM
I'm guessing VIETNAM. Haven't been visited since TAR15.

CGK -HGK CX 776
2:50PM - 8:40PM

HGK - SGN UA79
1050:PM - 12:25AM

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on June 01, 2012, 02:22:32 AM

I saw several tweets mentioning bunch of foreigners at Terminal 2-D International Departure CGK.. the flight where Hongkong is the destination...

HongKong --> Vietnam (Ho chi minh)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on June 01, 2012, 02:27:13 AM
Doesn't Juanda Airport have direct flight to Hong Kong?

I'm still hoping it's a new country :(
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 01, 2012, 03:16:09 AM

I saw several tweets mentioning bunch of foreigners at Terminal 2-D International Departure CGK.. the flight where Hongkong is the destination...

HongKong --> Vietnam (Ho chi minh)

My guesses are for this leg:
Indonesia > Hong Kong > Hanoi > Da Nang
Indonesia > Hong Kong > Hanoi > Vientiane
Indonesia > Hong Kong > Hanoi > Luang Prabang
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: EagleSpirit0 on June 01, 2012, 03:18:01 AM
I've been circling around most of the major tourist sites in Vientiane hoping to see camera crews ... it seems unlikely going to Hong Kong that they would be heading to Vientiane/Luang Prabang, as the rest of the flights today are from Hanoi or Bangkok. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on June 01, 2012, 03:24:01 AM
CI 762       China Airlines      (TPE) Taipei      02:00 PM      
DL 7745 ^    Delta Air Lines    (TPE) Taipei    02:00 PM
BR 238       EVA Air      (TPE) Taipei      02:15 PM

They took one of these flight guys, don't mind to look for flights anymore... they're gone..
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jobby on June 01, 2012, 04:24:11 AM
Why are they going up and down over SEA? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 01, 2012, 04:27:13 AM
CI 762       China Airlines      (TPE) Taipei      02:00 PM      
DL 7745 ^    Delta Air Lines    (TPE) Taipei    02:00 PM
BR 238       EVA Air      (TPE) Taipei      02:15 PM

They took one of these flight guys, don't mind to look for flights anymore... they're gone..

Is that confirmed? Well obviously theyre not gonna race in Taipei so theres still ome more flight to find! Lands in TPE in about 3 hours..
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: NumfarPTB on June 01, 2012, 05:18:47 AM
CI 762       China Airlines      (TPE) Taipei      02:00 PM      
DL 7745 ^    Delta Air Lines    (TPE) Taipei    02:00 PM
BR 238       EVA Air      (TPE) Taipei      02:15 PM

They took one of these flight guys, don't mind to look for flights anymore... they're gone..

Is that confirmed? Well obviously theyre not gonna race in Taipei so theres still ome more flight to find! Lands in TPE in about 3 hours..

Weird. Taipei as connection point again?
Since Phil has to fly ahead, assuming he also flew through Jakarta, Singapore did seem like a likely destination, and there were no early flight to Taipei, so maybe he took another route for next destination.

Pure speculation, checking upcoming departures from Taipei, some possible destinations.

If leg 4 is still in Asia
06/01 - 17:35 - China Airlines(CI) - CI122 - Okinawa - Maybe too early and to tight from landing to be feesable.
06/01 - 19:45 - Korean Air(KE) - KE694 - Incheon - Last South Korea visit was back in TAR17

If leg 4 is in Europe
06/01 - 23:10 - KLM Asia(KL) - KL808 - Amsterdam - Barely there in TAR19, it counted as country visited, but there wasn't a full leg, last full leg was back in TAR15
06/01 - 23:15 - China Airlines(CI) - CI61 - Frankfurt - TAR20 did visit Germany, but not Frankfurt, which was last visited in TAR16.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 01, 2012, 07:25:24 AM
From a Production point of view, it makes terrible sense to go to Taipei or even Hong Kong from Jakarta. Just a terrible waste of money. Anyplace you can go from Hong Kong, you can get there from either Singapore, KL or Bangkok.

I thought there was some pre-race scuttlebutt about Brunei......

They have done 3 legs in Asia.....normal is 4 or 5.........so best bet is they are heading west......as Joab has already said.........SirLanka, India, Bangladesh......with maybe a Dubai, Oman or Abu Dhabi thrown in.....
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: reta on June 01, 2012, 07:34:34 AM
I dont think they will go to Taipei either, the route will be so weird...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 01, 2012, 07:43:37 AM
Okay guys, It appears that the flights via Taipei were production not the active race.

SO back to square one!!

Either they are having an extended PitStop, or they have left Indonesia without being spotted.

In which case they could have gone out via Surabaya>>??Denpasar??>>AUS

OR out via SIngapore/KL/HK or Bangkok and be ANYWHERE :pull

STill like the Dubai/Doha available flights form Jakarta though.

So bottom line is that at the moment we have lost them, and we need ALL hands on deck watching for them! Help if you can, the next 24 hours will be important!

Thanks to the Indonesia team for doing an outstanding job!! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: EagleSpirit0 on June 01, 2012, 08:01:12 AM
There's a daily flight arriving at Wattay International (Vientiane) at 9 pm local time from Bangkok (departed ten minutes ago at 750).  If there's any possibility teams were on this flight, I could pop over to the airport on my motorbike ... Just let me know if this is totally unfeasible

I've been living as an expat for a year and always hoped those rumors would come true ...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 01, 2012, 08:04:16 AM
So sad that they are gone.  :'( :'( :'( :'(

Hope that they are on track tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 01, 2012, 08:11:38 AM
There's a daily flight arriving at Wattay International (Vientiane) at 9 pm local time from Bangkok (departed ten minutes ago at 750).  If there's any possibility teams were on this flight, I could pop over to the airport on my motorbike ... Just let me know if this is totally unfeasible

I've been living as an expat for a year and always hoped those rumors would come true ...

Honestly?? We do not know. And I do not think they are going to Nam this time. But one more airport covered means one more place we KNOW about, so even a negative result would be a big help!!


oops I misread this. Laos was the missed leg we believe in TAR 19. SO yes, the possibility exists that they will re-use that some day!! I would go if you can, although I do not have any thing that says Laos for sure this time.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 01, 2012, 08:14:16 AM
It is a good place for a 36 or so hour extended pit stop......out in the middle of nowhere. Should be 3 eliminated teams (two from eastern Java) by now.......so have to be careful they are not spotted on the way to Sequestorville and mistaken as racing. Also makes sense to send extra produciton people back home........they will not need as many as teams are eliminated.

Good time to take a night off and give Phil a birthday party too!!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 01, 2012, 08:45:31 AM
From a Production point of view, it makes terrible sense to go to Taipei or even Hong Kong from Jakarta. Just a terrible waste of money. Anyplace you can go from Hong Kong, you can get there from either Singapore, KL or Bangkok.

I thought there was some pre-race scuttlebutt about Brunei......

They have done 3 legs in Asia.....normal is 4 or 5.........so best bet is they are heading west......as Joab has already said.........SirLanka, India, Bangladesh......with maybe a Dubai, Oman or Abu Dhabi thrown in.....

Dr. Rox,

I base what i am about to tell you on my experience as a travel agent for multiple years. The types of tickets that I understand World Race Productions has authorized for racing teams to buy are Y class tickets. Those have virtually no restrictions and changes can be made in route with full flexibility and there is automatic assignment of each ticket to other airlines if problems arise. For all those advantages, these are the most expensive coach class tickets that can be purchased.

The implications of that is that it does not matter which route a ticket shows. There is no such thing as a more expensive or less expensive Y class ticket. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on June 01, 2012, 08:54:14 AM
Taiwan may be the emilination station this season since we(Chinese fans)  overheared some production will go to Taiwan after Shanghai and now again...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 01, 2012, 10:02:15 AM
Here's an interesting tweet from about 7 hours ago.

Rissa Andres ‏@rissa_andresyou
I just saw the host of amazing race on the escalator. #OnceInALifetime
12:35 AM - 1 Jun 12 via Twitter for iPhone


Rissa is from Manila, but from her earlier tweets, she was apparently in the Hong Kong airport waiting for a flight back to Manila. I've asked her which Amazing Race host she saw. If it's Phil then we have something to work with in trying to figure out where TAR is going next.

Within the timeframe of 7-8 hours ago many flights from Taipei landed in HKG. Also CX 780 came in from Surabaya but I don't know if he could have made that one.

Departures from HKG is insane. They could go literally anywhere in Asia from there or even Aus/NZ.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Lutpay on June 01, 2012, 10:22:36 AM
Based on the information, I'm pretty sure the first leg is an elimination, with father/daughter being eliminated. The second leg, amputee girl and bf were eliminated (this has been confirmed). I think the amputee team spotted at CGK because they were going to ES somewhere not far from Indonesia.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on June 01, 2012, 10:37:46 AM
Here's an interesting tweet from about 7 hours ago.

Rissa Andres ‏@rissa_andresyou
I just saw the host of amazing race on the escalator. #OnceInALifetime
12:35 AM - 1 Jun 12 via Twitter for iPhone


Rissa is from Manila, but from her earlier tweets, she was apparently in the Hong Kong airport waiting for a flight back to Manila. I've asked her which Amazing Race host she saw. If it's Phil then we have something to work with in trying to figure out where TAR is going next.

Within the timeframe of 7-8 hours ago many flights from Taipei landed in HKG. Also CX 780 came in from Surabaya but I don't know if he could have made that one.

Departures from HKG is insane. They could go literally anywhere in Asia from there or even Aus/NZ.

Based on flights from Hong Kong to Manila (running behind schedule), I'd say she was probably flying Cathy Pacific, which departed from Terminal 1 in Hong Kong.  Perhaps that will narrow down where she might have seen Phil?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 01, 2012, 10:57:42 AM
Here's an interesting tweet from about 7 hours ago.

Rissa Andres ‏@rissa_andresyou
I just saw the host of amazing race on the escalator. #OnceInALifetime
12:35 AM - 1 Jun 12 via Twitter for iPhone


Rissa is from Manila, but from her earlier tweets, she was apparently in the Hong Kong airport waiting for a flight back to Manila. I've asked her which Amazing Race host she saw. If it's Phil then we have something to work with in trying to figure out where TAR is going next.

Within the timeframe of 7-8 hours ago many flights from Taipei landed in HKG. Also CX 780 came in from Surabaya but I don't know if he could have made that one.

Departures from HKG is insane. They could go literally anywhere in Asia from there or even Aus/NZ.

Based on flights from Hong Kong to Manila (running behind schedule), I'd say she was probably flying Cathy Pacific, which departed from Terminal 1 in Hong Kong.  Perhaps that will narrow down where she might have seen Phil?

That's good thinking! She did say her flight was delayed. As did a friend of her's at the HK airport waiting for a different flight.
Looking at flights from Hong Kong to Manila on FlightStats, there are 2 flight on Cathay Pacific (Terminal 1) and one on Philippines Airlines (Terminal 2). They were anywhere from 23 to 49 minutes late. So, I'd say it could have been in either Terminal 1 or 2 with 1 being likelier.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 01, 2012, 11:44:00 AM
So if Phil was in Terminal 1 departures around that time he could have been headed for:

Singapore CX 735
Bangkok    CX 751
Seoul    CX 418
Hanoi    CX 1791
Phuket    CX 6804
Kuala Lumpur    CX 1727
Penang    CX 693

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: krabbe on June 01, 2012, 12:40:52 PM
So if Phil was in Terminal 1 departures around that time he could have been headed for:

Singapore CX 735
Bangkok    CX 751
Seoul    CX 418
Hanoi    CX 1791
Phuket    CX 6804
Kuala Lumpur    CX 1727
Penang    CX 693

There were better connections for most of these destinations from Jakarta or Surabaya, so I'm guessing Seoul?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 01, 2012, 12:50:53 PM
That would make the route a little crazy :duno:


(http://i.imgur.com/tRMLt.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 01, 2012, 12:59:20 PM
That would make the route a little crazy :duno:


(http://i.imgur.com/tRMLt.jpg)

We've definitely had crazier! And if you look at the world map as a whole, these routes aren't that long..
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 01, 2012, 01:10:11 PM
A couple of little comments. The fact that teams aren't headed to a particular airline hub as the destination for the next leg does not mean that hub isn't being used as a first or second connection point to the real destination.
Second, there may be some merit to having an extended pit stop, especially if the destination involves multiple flight segments and a long total elapsed travel time. That would also support sighting Phil or production (Phil, for a lead time to the next leg location; production often leap frogs to the leg or country following that.)
Third, the sequester location is not necessarily going to be determined by the location of these first legs but rather by the final destination city that is being planned for this race, and being able to have a direct route to get the eliminated teams there.
As to possible locations of the next leg, there are a few aren't there? I would think a location adjacent to the Indian Ocean would be likely candidates at this point whether that be in south Asia, southeast Asia, the Arabian peninsula (i.e., UAE) or eastern Africa. I suspect we're not quite ready for Europe at this point, so I wouldn't rule out central Asia (one of the "stans," or the republic of Georgia, for example. In other words, I think a new country or a nation not visited recently are the prime suspects.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARismyfavoriteshow on June 01, 2012, 01:36:54 PM
The second leg, amputee girl and bf were eliminated (this has been confirmed).

I need to know where this came from!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 01, 2012, 01:41:12 PM
I need to know where this came from!

It definitely hasn't been confirmed.. Any elimination talk is pure spec at the moment
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 01, 2012, 01:44:25 PM
I need to know where this came from!

It definitely hasn't been confirmed.. Any elimination talk is pure spec at the moment

Actually it might be. Lutpayy is one of the Indonesian detectives with special info on that leg.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on June 01, 2012, 04:39:26 PM
Same question. Could it also be a flight hub?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on June 01, 2012, 04:44:02 PM
So a leg in Singapore?

Have they ever done multiple legs in a country but done a leg in another county in between those legs?
 
This would be u.s.>china>indonesia>china, unless they continue traveling from Singapore.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 01, 2012, 04:46:07 PM
So a leg in Singapore?

Have they ever done multiple legs in a country but done a leg in another county in between those legs?
 
This would be u.s.>china>indonesia>china, unless they continue traveling from Singapore.

Singapore is an independent nation, quite a long way away from China as well :)
I don't remember them ever doing that before (except the USA of course)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on June 01, 2012, 04:51:37 PM
Isn't Singapore a flight hub to Australia? My parents flew through Singapore last year.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on June 01, 2012, 04:54:23 PM

Singapore is an independent nation, quite a long way away from China as well :)
I don't remember them ever doing that before (except the USA of course)

 :-[  Sorry Singapore!  I just saw that they were on ChinaAir and got mixed up.  I've been scrolling through so many flight codes that my brain misfired.   :iok
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 01, 2012, 05:16:41 PM
If Peach's info is correct, teams will be on CI752, which departs Surabaya at 6.05am (about 50 minutes from now).

I'll be fast asleep by then but look out for Singapore sightings in about 3.5 hours!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Air on June 01, 2012, 06:10:28 PM
Flight is currently 10 mins late according to flightaware:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAL752
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 01, 2012, 06:13:37 PM
My data is showing 10 minutes EARLY. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Air on June 01, 2012, 06:20:52 PM
My data is showing 10 minutes EARLY. :lol:

Oh, well, if FlightAware is wrong, it's wrong.  :umn:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 01, 2012, 06:33:03 PM
Flight options out of SIN
SQ 217 goes to Melbourne but only a forty minute window there.
TR 2182 to Krabi at 10.25
PR 502 to Manila at 10.30
TR 2106 to Bangkok at 10.50
ignoring Kuala Lumpur because they could have gotten there from SUB
AK 5343 to Langkawi at 10.55
MK 647 to Mauritius at 11.05
AK 5802 to Penang at 11.25
JT* 150 to Ho Chi Min City at noon
SQ 224 to Perth at 1.05
KE 643 to Seoul at 1.30 (in case Phil went there)

Matching this list with this:

So if Phil was in Terminal 1 departures around that time he could have been headed for:

Singapore CX 735
Bangkok    CX 751
Seoul    CX 418
Hanoi    CX 1791
Phuket    CX 6804
Kuala Lumpur    CX 1727
Penang    CX 693

Makes it likely the leg is in Singapore, Thailand, or Malaysia.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 01, 2012, 06:55:27 PM
China Air says early.


(CI) China Airlines 752

(SUB) Surabaya, ID to (SIN) Singapore, SG

DEPARTURE
Scheduled Departure: 6:05 AM - Sat 02-Jun-2012
Actual Departure:      5:55 AM - Sat 02-Jun-2012

 
ARRIVAL
Scheduled Arrival:           9:25 AM - Sat 02-Jun-2012
Estimated Gate Arrival:    9:14 AM - Sat 02-Jun-2012


Arrival Terminal: C20 (Terminal 1)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: reta on June 01, 2012, 06:57:48 PM

Rahayu Indrawati ‏@RahayuIndrawati
Amazing Race Juanda Airport

 5:01 PM - 1 Jun 12

have asked for more info already




They are flying to Singapore with China airlines from Surabaya Airport :hearts:


Nice!! So, we be able to track them again...
I guess find those teams in Singapore would be much more easier...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 01, 2012, 07:06:40 PM
My GUESS is this could be a transit only....
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazing race fan on June 01, 2012, 07:17:24 PM
My guess is that they are off to South Korea, just a guess though.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 01, 2012, 08:12:41 PM
FlightStats and FlightAware both use the same GPS/radar tracking data when it is avialable. In this part of the world, that data is not available. So both use the information supplied by the airline. The arrival is only estimated by China Airlines and that is what both tracking systems uses.

Flight Stats times are based on gate arrivals and gate departures.

Flight Aware times are based on wheels up and wheels down on the runway. So there will always be a discrepency between the two estimates.

As far as China Airlines 752 today, Flight Aware will amend its records to reflect the time reported for wheels down by the control tower and Flight Stats will report the gate arrival time posted by China Airlines.

In a flight of 2 hours and 20 minutes, it is pretty easy to make up the lost time at departure.

Changi Airport reported wheels down at 9:09 am.
Gate Arrival reported at 9:17 am.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: JordanJones123 on June 01, 2012, 09:02:40 PM
so has singapore been confirmed as just a stopover, or could there be a leg in singapore?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on June 01, 2012, 10:41:17 PM
I'm thinking Singapore is just a connection point. The flight has been down for 2.5 hours and if there were teams running through Singapore we'd have at least a couple tweets/sightings.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jobby on June 01, 2012, 11:27:44 PM
Yes. -_-

So don't pass the wrong information and tell me that Singapore is Leg 4 and go catch the race. I think they flew to Singapore but barely stayed for some time only.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: JordanJones123 on June 02, 2012, 12:22:21 AM
This is all in the air but having flown to singapore from perth last year, I know that flights from singapore to perth are very frequent, and having not seen the teams in a while, i presume teams would have been in the air for about 3 hours... it is a 5 hour flight to perth... if it is found out that teams are in perth, somebody message me because i know a family who are going to be at perth airport all day! and if they have a long leg in perth, ill be a detective!


again, all spec^
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: krabbe on June 02, 2012, 02:24:27 AM
Maybe a long shot, but Air France flies from Changi Airport, & it flies to a lot of African countries.  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: AmazingRace on June 02, 2012, 04:05:21 AM
Maybe a long shot, but Air France flies from Changi Airport, & it flies to a lot of African countries.  :duno:

AF has a daily flight to Paris-CDG from Changi. Isn't it a bit too far to make a connection to Africa so early in the race?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on June 02, 2012, 05:28:57 AM
A sighting tend to occur at the Singapore Esplanade right now... what's happening there guys? Can someone check??


(http://i.imgur.com/7O5tc.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/FYZzo.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/A8HpR.jpg)


ETA:

Apparently today is the last day of singapore arts festival? but is it possible for them to go to such a large crowd, espcially it's weekend today...

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 02, 2012, 05:59:35 AM
Remember we have Phil in HK as well WHY? If there was a Singapore leg? Easier to go direct.

DEF this should be checked out if possible though, just so we all dont have nightmares!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 02, 2012, 06:57:57 AM
Remember we have Phil in HK as well WHY? If there was a Singapore leg? Easier to go direct.

DEF this should be checked out if possible though, just so we all dont have nightmares!

We may have had a sighting of Phil in HK. The woman who saw "the host of the amazing race" has never answered back to say which host she saw. At least not to me.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 02, 2012, 08:14:21 AM
Remember we have Phil in HK as well WHY? If there was a Singapore leg? Easier to go direct.

DEF this should be checked out if possible though, just so we all dont have nightmares!

We may have had a sighting of Phil in HK. The woman who saw "the host of the amazing race" has never answered back to say which host she saw. At least not to me.

According to his twitter, Alan Wu is on the move "somewhere" in China this week. He didnt say where, just that he was going to be away from his home base in Shanghai. So I think we need to find out just which host she saw too, Plaidmoon. I hope she will reply to you.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on June 02, 2012, 08:29:05 AM
Remember we have Phil in HK as well WHY? If there was a Singapore leg? Easier to go direct.

DEF this should be checked out if possible though, just so we all dont have nightmares!

We may have had a sighting of Phil in HK. The woman who saw "the host of the amazing race" has never answered back to say which host she saw. At least not to me.
According to Allan's weibo,he fly to Zhuhai yesterday afternoon...I think he didn't need to transmit at HK from Shanghai to Zhuhai.

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 02, 2012, 08:40:45 AM
Still think SING was just transit.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 02, 2012, 10:01:36 AM
Remember we have Phil in HK as well WHY? If there was a Singapore leg? Easier to go direct.

DEF this should be checked out if possible though, just so we all dont have nightmares!

It could mean they went to Seoul or Bangkok since SIN and HKG both connect to there.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 02, 2012, 10:53:04 AM
You will have to explain to us, just why TAR would go from Surabaya to Seoul? If TAR21 did contain a leg in Seoul, wouldnt logic put it as either Leg 1 before Shanghai or Leg 2 after Shanghai........Flying all the way from Shanghai to Surabaya and then all the way back to Seoul.......which btw is practically right next to Shanghai......just doesnt make any sense at all.

Also.......where would TAR21 go AFTER going to Seoul???? Australia/NewZealand.......well they were closer when they were in Surabaya........
South Asia........again, they were closer when they were in Surabaya......

Bangkok, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense........looks like Phil flew Surabaya to Bali, then to Hong Kong........again....it was the fastest way to get him out of East Java.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jobby on June 02, 2012, 11:30:16 AM
Nothing at the Esplanade people.. unless you count loads of people watching artsy performances? LOL
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jobby on June 02, 2012, 11:36:02 AM
I think we should focus on countries near India.... :lol: Time to move on from Southeast Asia!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 02, 2012, 11:55:52 AM
I think we should focus on countries near India.... :lol: Time to move on from Southeast Asia!

Thanks for going to the Esplanade to look for TAR. Too bad they were just passing through the airport.

When I looked at the list of flights from Singapore, I had a feeling it was going to be Sri Lanka (it's been a long time since they were there). Leafsfan just posted that someone saw they boarding a flight for CMB (I think that's Colombo), so I think you were on the right track!

I certainly don't think Colombo would be a connection point for somewhere else.  :o

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 02, 2012, 12:33:00 PM
If it is Columbo, this may be the right time for Sri Lanka. The Tamil Civil War ended over a year ago, and things appear to be relatively more peactful with no obvious security treats; it's been years since the Great Tsunami (which was just after TAR 6 filmed there), and we've had the coincidence on this show before of a team with a connection to a country being on a Race that goes to that country (or where the tasks seemed to fit a team that was cast).
So Sri Lanka does make sense.
As to Nepal and Bhutan, the news reports on the Mt. Everest climbers the last couple of weekends made clear that there's a seeasonal weather pattern that sets up at the end of May (monsoon, maybe?) so that would suggest that whatever the weather pattern is, it would apply to both and likely rule out both for this Race. Just speculation, but it made some sort of sense to me.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jobby on June 02, 2012, 12:37:47 PM
TARA4 made a visit to Colombo too, it's more than safe enough for TAR I believe.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: hakushu8 on June 02, 2012, 12:48:36 PM
Are they off the radar for now? Good! Happy that Sinapoor was only a transit. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 02, 2012, 12:51:34 PM
Maybe most have not seen ARAus1 since nobody has cited it. My records show that Sri Lanka was visited in episode 11. It involved a circle route to Colombo, Ambalangoda, Galle and back to Colombo, which was the release point for the finale.

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 02, 2012, 01:29:16 PM
Maybe most have not seen ARAus1 since nobody has cited it. My records show that Sri Lanka was visited in episode 11. It involved a circle route to Colombo, Ambalangoda, Galle and back to Colombo, which was the release point for the finale.

Yes!!!  It was the blessing in the temple (with an HoO); the detour (counting fishes or carry ice bars) at a fish market; the quiz in Galle about Sri Lanka's independence year that allowed teams to unlock the locks of wooden chests hidden in the beach with a second quiz about the year that the father of modern Sri Lanka was born that opened the lock of another chest - also hidden in the same beach - with the next clue; the travel by bus to Ambalangoda, with the memory task (remember a specific mask from a photo, and search it in a street festival); the roadblock that implied sewing a shirt; and the PitStop at Independence Square.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jobby on June 02, 2012, 01:35:02 PM
The carrying ice bar in TARAus1 was the same as the one in TARA4... repeated task. =/
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 02, 2012, 02:11:47 PM
The carrying ice bar in TARAus1 was the same as the one in TARA4... repeated task. =/

And, if I'm not wrong, the PitStop was in the same place.

And the sewing a shirt RB too, the only difference was the Yield previous to the RB.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 02, 2012, 08:13:27 PM
Nothing at the Esplanade people.. unless you count loads of people watching artsy performances? LOL

Huge thanks for going Joab!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 03, 2012, 06:03:05 AM
I was hoping to narrow it down a little more, but here's a list of all airports that fill this criteria:

1) Had flights from T1 in Hong Kong after 'Amazing Race host' was sighted there (2pm June 1)
2) Had flights from Singapore after reported flight from Surabaya arrived (9am June 2)
3) Cannot be flown direct from Surabaya.


BKI Kota Kinabalu
BKK Bangkok
BLR Bangalore
BNE Brisbane
BOM Mumbai
DAC Dhaka
DEL Delhi
DXB Dubai
HAN Hanoi
HKT Phuket
HND Tokyo
ICN Seoul
LHR London
MAA Chennai
MEL Melbourne
MNL Manila
NRT Tokyo
PER Perth
RUH Riyadh
SGN Ho Chi Minh City
SYD Sydney

(Colombo could still be a possibility, but there were no direct flights from Hong Kong on that day)

As a side note, Allan Wu was attending a racing event about 100 miles from Hong Kong airport on June 2. However, there's a closer airport so I'd be surprised if the HKG sighting was him.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 03, 2012, 06:54:48 AM
That Melbourne flight from Singapore left them with way too tight of a connection. And some of those flights required a really long layover in SIN. I didn't think WRP would want them waiting on a connection for more than 5-6 hours. I also seriously doubt they skipped ahead to London.
The most logical options to me for timing and location were Seoul, Manila, and Bangkok (please no). But they might have different logic :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 03, 2012, 07:22:35 AM
We don't know which host it was, so we sadly cannot assume Phil.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on June 03, 2012, 07:23:08 AM
Just ran across this tweet:

Ruth Waiman‏@Roopunzel

Just spotted an #AmazingRace flag in TA- could it be the REAL one??! Needed that bit of excitement cc @twohandtouch

I just saw that too. TA=Tel Aviv!


I only find people of Tel Aviv are all excited because Madonna just held a peacekeeping musical concert yesterday and today?..

still observing though... :cmas25



Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 03, 2012, 07:26:46 AM
Supposing that the Colombo and Tel Aviv sightings are true, the teams could have connected through Frankfurt to get to Israel.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 03, 2012, 07:40:41 AM
Leafsfan wrote at 12.30am Singapore time on July 3 that teams were headed to CMB. Assuming the info was pretty recent, this makes sense with the flight schedules, with two flights fitting the bill:

SIN to CMB
SQ468 Dep 10:45pm Arr 11:55pm
EK349 Dep 12.55am Arr 1.55am


Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on June 03, 2012, 07:51:28 AM
ahya isha bai ☃ ‏@ahya_efferxoxo
Amazing Race in Davao? Is this for real?

9m Kara Cortez  Kara Cortez  ‏@karamarise
@ahya_efferxoxo Totoo? Ohmaygosh! Jameerol!

7m ahya isha bai ☃ ahya isha bai ☃ ‏@ahya_efferxoxo
@karamarise yes meron Amazing Race. Napakaloser ko sa mga info

Local race? :duno:


Seems like it, I've been replying to two of them as well as Dom El.. but no legit answer yet... instead, they retweet our question... :lol:   it should be local (I hope..)  ;)

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: bcp19 on June 03, 2012, 08:02:35 AM
Is the twitter search engine always so flaky?  I searched Amazing Race Davao after seeing Prophet mention the tweet and found it, but if I just search Amazing Race I don't see it.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on June 03, 2012, 08:12:21 AM
Is the twitter search engine always so flaky?  I searched Amazing Race Davao after seeing Prophet mention the tweet and found it, but if I just search Amazing Race I don't see it.

Could this Davao sighting incorporate with TAR Philippines filming? I haven't check TARP board recently...  :lol:



Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 03, 2012, 08:17:45 AM
Is the twitter search engine always so flaky?  I searched Amazing Race Davao after seeing Prophet mention the tweet and found it, but if I just search Amazing Race I don't see it.

use quotes "amazing race" and be sure you are checking ALL tweets not just top tweets. I see it?

FB search however must have some geographic limitations. Or it hates me. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: bcp19 on June 03, 2012, 08:23:05 AM
Is the twitter search engine always so flaky?  I searched Amazing Race Davao after seeing Prophet mention the tweet and found it, but if I just search Amazing Race I don't see it.

use quotes "amazing race" and be sure you are checking ALL tweets not just top tweets. I see it?

FB search however must have some geographic limitations. Or it hates me. :lol:
Ah, I see, it defaults to top tweets.  Still new to this :P
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 03, 2012, 08:48:33 AM
and vary your search too, try Phil, cameramen, backpacks, filming, other terms. If we suspect a location, start looking at the airports, top tourist places, etc. It is a full time job!! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: reta on June 03, 2012, 09:52:15 AM
and vary your search too, try Phil, cameramen, backpacks, filming, other terms. If we suspect a location, start looking at the airports, top tourist places, etc. It is a full time job!! :lol:

WOW!!  :crazy: Searching on those social network is really a tricky job...
Hope we can soon find some more clues....
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 03, 2012, 11:19:56 AM
Eunice Ong ♔ ‏@Eohtlalala
@peggyzxc you will you will haha will lucky one!i at perth we saw amazing race filming in front of us and i didnt know otl

11 hours ago. profile has a link to her website, says she was in Perth May 26-June 2. lives in Singapore.
 has pictures but they don't load.

http://flavors.me/eohtlalala#818/facebook2

 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 03, 2012, 11:31:23 AM
Eunice Ong ♔ ‏@Eohtlalala
@peggyzxc you will you will haha will lucky one!i at perth we saw amazing race filming in front of us and i didnt know otl

11 hours ago. profile has a link to her website, says she was in Perth May 26-June 2. lives in Singapore.
 has pictures but they don't load.

http://flavors.me/eohtlalala#818/facebook2

 

Checking them on FB right now.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 03, 2012, 11:35:01 AM
Eunice Ong ♔ ‏@Eohtlalala
@peggyzxc you will you will haha will lucky one!i at perth we saw amazing race filming in front of us and i didnt know otl

11 hours ago. profile has a link to her website, says she was in Perth May 26-June 2. lives in Singapore.
 has pictures but they don't load.

http://flavors.me/eohtlalala#818/facebook2

 

Checking them on FB right now.

I'm sure we would have heard a lot more than one tweet if the race was indeed in Perth.. Doesn't make sense for teams to fly from SUB to SIN only to double back to Perth.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 03, 2012, 11:43:53 AM
Eunice Ong ♔ ‏@Eohtlalala
@peggyzxc you will you will haha will lucky one!i at perth we saw amazing race filming in front of us and i didnt know otl

11 hours ago. profile has a link to her website, says she was in Perth May 26-June 2. lives in Singapore.
 has pictures but they don't load.

http://flavors.me/eohtlalala#818/facebook2

 

Checking them on FB right now.

I'm sure we would have heard a lot more than one tweet if the race was indeed in Perth.. Doesn't make sense for teams to fly from SUB to SIN only to double back to Perth.

There's nothing in the pics that provide info about TAR in Perth.   :duno:.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 03, 2012, 12:20:09 PM
Seems that they have done a great job, this time around with that, they are not been spotted.
I personally thinks that they still in Asia or they have made it to Africa.

Oceania and Europe would had track them down.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 03, 2012, 12:22:45 PM
They have been spotted, they are in Perth, Tel Aviv, the Philippines, Hong Kong, and Sri Lanka all at once! :o


But seriously, if she was flying back from Perth to Singapore it makes it interesting because that's where they would have been coming from. The terminals and all would line up.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 03, 2012, 12:24:18 PM
Here is the whole convo:

Ruth Waiman ‏@Roopunzel
Just spotted an #AmazingRace flag in TA- could it be the REAL one??! Needed that bit of excitement cc @twohandtouch

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 Retweet  5:24 AM - 3 Jun 12 via Echofon · Details 2h  Dena Wimpfheimer ‏@TEAMDJW
@roopunzel ARE YOU SERIOUS??? I love that show and have always wanted them to come here!

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@teamdjw @roopunzel #AmazingRace has already been here in past (at least the Aussie version:)) http://ht.ly/bkcRL http://ht.ly/bkcRV

Details Expand Collapse Reply RetweetedRetweet Delete FavoritedFavorite 2h  Ruth Waiman ‏@Roopunzel
@israellycool @teamdjw yes yes, saw that one, still was very exciting to see a possible flag, sorry didn't manage to snap it #EyesPeeled

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Could it be HaMerotz LaMillion (TAR Israel)?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 03, 2012, 12:25:40 PM
They have been spotted, they are in Perth, Tel Aviv, the Philippines, Hong Kong, and Sri Lanka all at once! :o

Maybe it's a flight with scales in the Phillipines, Perth, Honk Kong, Sri Lanka and Tel Aviv.  :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 03, 2012, 12:38:15 PM
Have another tweet:

@j_rietz

The Amazing Race is in Hong Kong, nice!!

2.10pm - Jun 3.

Maybe someone who has an account can check it.

(BTW, this is the second reference we have of TAR in Hong Kong in the last 3 days).

message sent, But this person is in Sweden, expect he is just watching an old episode.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 03, 2012, 12:39:10 PM
Have another tweet:

@j_rietz

The Amazing Race is in Hong Kong, nice!!

2.10pm - Jun 3.

Maybe someone who has an account can check it.

(BTW, this is the second reference we have of TAR in Hong Kong in the last 3 days).

message sent, But this person is in Sweden, expect he is just watching an old episode.

 :tup:
(I was thinking of a connecting point.)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 03, 2012, 12:41:15 PM
The big point is that we cannot be in Sri Lanka and Tel Aviv. And we have no firm sightings either place, so until/unless we do, neither can be confirmed.

IF they are in TA, expect we will get proof.

Perth is crawling with TAR fans, expect more there too if it is real.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 03, 2012, 12:48:31 PM
Have another tweet:

@j_rietz

The Amazing Race is in Hong Kong, nice!!

2.10pm - Jun 3.

Maybe someone who has an account can check it.

(BTW, this is the second reference we have of TAR in Hong Kong in the last 3 days).

reply:

j_rietz Joel Rietz
@peachrff I'm watching it on tv right now, it's an old episode though. From 2010.

TAR17.  :gaah:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 03, 2012, 12:53:26 PM
If indeed they are indeed in Perth, it looks like Dubai and Johannesburg are likely ways for them to leave, unless they are going to do a second Australia leg (which doesn't seem likely). :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 03, 2012, 07:02:17 PM
Eunice Ong ♔ ‏@Eohtlalala
@peggyzxc you will you will haha will lucky one!i at perth we saw amazing race filming in front of us and i didnt know otl

11 hours ago. profile has a link to her website, says she was in Perth May 26-June 2. lives in Singapore.
 has pictures but they don't load.

http://flavors.me/eohtlalala#818/facebook2



this is Australian AR. disregard
 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: zacz on June 03, 2012, 07:16:51 PM

I'm sure we would have heard a lot more than one tweet if the race was indeed in Perth.. Doesn't make sense for teams to fly from SUB to SIN only to double back to Perth.

Actually it would make sense for them to go to SIN to head to Perth - There are multiple flights a day between SIN and PER. The other option would be via Denpasar in Bali... But these flights fill up months in advance so it makes it difficult to book last minute tickets between Perth and Bali.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: JordanJones123 on June 03, 2012, 07:35:02 PM
From all the rumours and stuff i've heard, Perth has got to be the most likely destination. It flys between both Hong Kong and Singapore multiple times a day, which would comply with our 2 sightings in HK and sin.

However, I have been asking a few of my mates if the have seen couples running around Perth with bags and cameramen following them, seen clue boxes or seen Phil, and its all 'no' at this stage. However i'm travelling into the city asap, and if I see any teams i will try and follow them.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 03, 2012, 09:00:22 PM
NOT us. Thanks though!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on June 04, 2012, 09:19:36 AM
Do we have any Leg 4/5 confirmations/highly educated spec?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 04, 2012, 09:22:38 AM
The big point is that we cannot be in Sri Lanka and Tel Aviv. And we have no firm sightings either place, so until/unless we do, neither can be confirmed.

IF they are in TA, expect we will get proof.

Perth is crawling with TAR fans, expect more there too if it is real.

That is so true, i would love to see Tel Aviv, but there are no sightings of them there.
I also doubt Australia, in season 18 there was a lot of tweets from there.

So it is either Asia or Africa.

It looks like season 20 all over, where they got lost from leg 5 to leg 11.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on June 04, 2012, 09:23:46 AM
Do we have any Leg 4/5 confirmations?

as for now we're still predicting/speculating...   :future     :gaah:


Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 04, 2012, 09:25:13 AM
Do we have any Leg 4/5 confirmations/highly educated spec?

Do not seem to be the case Kandace. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 04, 2012, 01:31:29 PM
Oh for heaven's sake. IF we had anything, it would be on the thread.  :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selfeviction on June 04, 2012, 02:25:24 PM
Do we have any Leg 4/5 confirmations/highly educated spec?
In the live thread theres a pic of a team in Molde, Norway
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selfeviction on June 04, 2012, 02:36:30 PM
:duno:
Randi Gagnat‏@RandiGaga

#Amazing #race #Molde!! http://twitter.com/RandiGaga/status/209707835553087490/photo/1

(https://p.twimg.com/AukIKlUCAAEiwiI.jpg)

i asked for more info, no reply yet

Does not look like any of our Racers in that shot   :duno:
Maybe blondes??
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ohKay on June 04, 2012, 02:37:08 PM
To the question "is this the US version?", this is the answer:

yes :)  Jun 4 - 12.12pm.

(BTW: OhKay, it was your question I quoted?)

yep :) Just asked if they had any more info
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 04, 2012, 02:42:14 PM
:duno:
Randi Gagnat‏@RandiGaga

#Amazing #race #Molde!! http://twitter.com/RandiGaga/status/209707835553087490/photo/1

(https://p.twimg.com/AukIKlUCAAEiwiI.jpg)

i asked for more info, no reply yet

Does not look like any of our Racers in that shot   :duno:
Maybe blondes??

Their backpacks are mostly red. Can check in Chateau's video at LAX airport here

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27200.msg758601.html#msg758601
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 04, 2012, 02:48:41 PM
She answered and said they were at Rica seilet, the tallest building in Molde
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ohKay on June 04, 2012, 03:02:55 PM
the task involved climbing the stairs. and she saw 3 teams.
just asked if the teams were m/m f/f etc
hopefully she keeps answering me, lol
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 04, 2012, 03:11:27 PM
:duno:
Randi Gagnat‏@RandiGaga

#Amazing #race #Molde!! http://twitter.com/RandiGaga/status/209707835553087490/photo/1

(https://p.twimg.com/AukIKlUCAAEiwiI.jpg)

i asked for more info, no reply yet

Does not look like any of our Racers in that shot   :duno:
Maybe blondes??

Their backpacks are mostly red. Can check in Chateau's video at LAX airport here

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27200.msg758601.html#msg758601

They look (at least according to the pic's angle) as a M/M team, so I checked all the photos and videos we have, and the only team both members have black backpacks are the Goat Farmers.  But some members of other teams also have black ones, and those two can be part of different teams.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 04, 2012, 03:29:46 PM
:duno:
Randi Gagnat‏@RandiGaga

#Amazing #race #Molde!! http://twitter.com/RandiGaga/status/209707835553087490/photo/1

(https://p.twimg.com/AukIKlUCAAEiwiI.jpg)

i asked for more info, no reply yet

Does not look like any of our Racers in that shot   :duno:
Maybe blondes??

Their backpacks are mostly red. Can check in Chateau's video at LAX airport here

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27200.msg758601.html#msg758601

They look (at least according to the pic's angle) as a M/M team, so I checked all the photos and videos we have, and the only team both members have black backpacks are the Goat Farmers.  But some members of other teams also have black ones, and those two can be part of different teams.

I did the same thing (picture checking) and reached the same conclusion.

But the packs still don't match and the GGFs are not same height as are the two shown in Molde.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kiki on June 04, 2012, 03:35:57 PM
Why would the teams be racing today in Molde? last time we had a confirmed sighting was June 2nd in Singapore so there was a flight (Air France) to take them the same day to oslo and then the next day, June 3rd to Molde.  And besides why go to Molde? It's nothing special. Bergen or Trodheim would be a lot more interesting ( and with international airports.)

I don't think that picture is from any of the racers.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 04, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
:duno:
Randi Gagnat‏@RandiGaga

#Amazing #race #Molde!! http://twitter.com/RandiGaga/status/209707835553087490/photo/1

(https://p.twimg.com/AukIKlUCAAEiwiI.jpg)

i asked for more info, no reply yet

It's a different angle, but I think I found that place:  it's the Aker Stadion on Molde.
And you can see the Rica Seillet Hotel in the background.

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/AkerStadionMolde.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 04, 2012, 03:50:33 PM
:duno:
Randi Gagnat‏@RandiGaga

#Amazing #race #Molde!! http://twitter.com/RandiGaga/status/209707835553087490/photo/1

(https://p.twimg.com/AukIKlUCAAEiwiI.jpg)

i asked for more info, no reply yet

Does not look like any of our Racers in that shot   :duno:
Maybe blondes??

Their backpacks are mostly red. Can check in Chateau's video at LAX airport here

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27200.msg758601.html#msg758601

They look (at least according to the pic's angle) as a M/M team, so I checked all the photos and videos we have, and the only team both members have black backpacks are the Goat Farmers.  But some members of other teams also have black ones, and those two can be part of different teams.

I did the same thing (picture checking) and reached the same conclusion.

But the packs still don't match and the GGFs are not same height as are the two shown in Molde.

Maybe two differents team members going to a RB? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 04, 2012, 04:03:37 PM
I found a better photo of the stadium and the hotel, when it's visible the place they are walking to; but I can post it here.  There's an entrance on the left side of the photo, close to the Rica Seilet Hotel, that look very similar to the one of the picture.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selfeviction on June 04, 2012, 04:05:10 PM
Why would the teams be racing today in Molde? last time we had a confirmed sighting was June 2nd in Singapore so there was a flight (Air France) to take them the same day to oslo and then the next day, June 3rd to Molde.  And besides why go to Molde? It's nothing special. Bergen or Trodheim would be a lot more interesting ( and with international airports.)

I don't think that picture is from any of the racers.
Why wouldn't they go to Molde, its a new city for TAR
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on June 04, 2012, 04:08:15 PM
Why would the teams be racing today in Molde? last time we had a confirmed sighting was June 2nd in Singapore so there was a flight (Air France) to take them the same day to oslo and then the next day, June 3rd to Molde.  And besides why go to Molde? It's nothing special. Bergen or Trodheim would be a lot more interesting ( and with international airports.)

I don't think that picture is from any of the racers.
Why wouldn't they go to Molde, its a new city for TAR

Still, I feel that they should explore more of Oslo, which is very underexplored, or venture into Bergen, which is a very interesting city. Molde seems kind of random.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on June 04, 2012, 04:13:08 PM
Why would the teams be racing today in Molde? last time we had a confirmed sighting was June 2nd in Singapore so there was a flight (Air France) to take them the same day to oslo and then the next day, June 3rd to Molde.  And besides why go to Molde? It's nothing special. Bergen or Trodheim would be a lot more interesting ( and with international airports.)

I don't think that picture is from any of the racers.
Why wouldn't they go to Molde, its a new city for TAR

Still, I feel that they should explore more of Oslo, which is very underexplored, or venture into Bergen, which is a very interesting city. Molde seems kind of random.

But maybe thats the point. If you want to see more of Oslo, there are many pictures and research you can do on it. Molde is a lesser known place that you wouldn't see on your everyday travel show. I'm sure there is some beauty to it that the producers intend to show us.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Oddarane on June 04, 2012, 04:15:34 PM
It the teams are in Norway, I'll might bump into them if they have to travel through Oslo to get to their next destination.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 04, 2012, 04:26:07 PM
My guess is that there is a leg somewhere between Indonesia and Norway.  Possibly in the Middle East or Central Asia:
-Speculated Countries-
Jordan
Qatar
United Arab Emirates
Kuwait
Israel
Kyrgyzstan
Uzbekistan
Kazakhstan
Russia/Siberia
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 04, 2012, 04:36:26 PM
I have the exact entrance at the Aker Stadium through Google maps, but I don't know how to post it here.  It's on Julsundvegen/Fv400.  If someone of you know how, please try to do it. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 04, 2012, 04:55:44 PM
Not convinced about this Molde Norway sighting...
Where are the camera and sound guys?
I've never seen racers with stuff like sleeping pads lashed on top and bottom and side.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 04, 2012, 05:00:41 PM
I have the exact entrance at the Aker Stadium through Google maps, but I don't know how to post it here.  It's on Julsundvegen/Fv400.  If someone of you know how, please try to do it. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 04, 2012, 05:05:55 PM
I have the exact entrance at the Aker Stadium through Google maps, but I don't know how to post it here.  It's on Julsundvegen/Fv400.  If someone of you know how, please try to do it. :tup:

That's the Rica Seilet Hotel. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 04, 2012, 05:14:02 PM
This is the view I was talking about, I found it searching in Google.

The second one is taken from the other side, from the Rica Seilet Hotel point of view.  If those two are our guys, they probably were walking along the Aker Stadion sidewalk to reach the hotel.

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/2842051939_7e1fda4243_z.jpg)

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/250px-Moldestadion.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 04, 2012, 05:21:05 PM
WP, I agree with you; but these could be teams going to a hotel after reaching a pit stop.

I am skeptical in part because I don't think we've seen the teams this season with backpacks that big that were black or navy blue; but the Chippendales did have large backpacks, but not that color.

But it is possible. As to why not a more direct route; that might be due to trying to build in a lead for Phil and other production....although I just don't see that many legs in Europe (4 through 11) or this early in the westward bound Race unless there is to be several legs in the Americas.

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 04, 2012, 06:34:37 PM
We have pics of ALL teams and their packs...there is NO team who bears the slightest resemblance to this.

For all we know, these could be generic backpackers.

DOn't know who/what this is, but it certainly does not look to be us.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 04, 2012, 09:32:17 PM
The Jerry Bruckheimer photo of a satellite dish in the desert may be a clue on where AR21 might be right now. There are deserts in many Asian and African countries, but few in Europe.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 04, 2012, 09:35:11 PM
Not in Norway, for sure  :lol:.

(BTW, we have tweets of TAR in Tel Aviv and now - apparently - in Norway; so I asked again:  could it be TAR Israel?)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 04, 2012, 09:36:02 PM
The Jerry Bruckheimer photo of a satellite dish in the desert may be a clue on where AR21 might be right now. There are deserts in many Asian and African countries, but few in Europe.


???
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on June 04, 2012, 09:40:14 PM
The Jerry Bruckheimer photo of a satellite dish in the desert may be a clue on where AR21 might be right now. There are deserts in many Asian and African countries, but few in Europe.

I don't think it has to do anything with the race as he has recently been tweeting pics of the desert. Maybe a movie of some sort.

No guys :lol: , read carefully the tweets below this one, he's currently shooting a movie at the Texan Desert, somewhere in the middle of Texas..

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 04, 2012, 09:42:23 PM
Not in Norway, for sure  :lol:.

(BTW, we have tweets of TAR in Tel Aviv and now - apparently - in Norway; so I asked again:  could it be TAR Israel?)


I don't think ANY other series is filming just now...except TAR Philippines is imminent and could have started without us noticing, but word is that they are staying within the country, last I heard.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 04, 2012, 11:06:25 PM


No guys :lol: , read carefully the tweets below this one, he's currently shooting a movie at the Texan Desert, somewhere in the middle of Texas..

Where do you get TEXAS out of any tweet from JB. He is on the set of The Lone Ranger on the West Mesa outside of Albuquerque, NEW MEXICO. That is a long way from Texas. And it has nothing what so ever to do with TAR.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 04, 2012, 11:48:30 PM
Dr Rox, if you go to the linked twitpic page, you'll see a tweet from one of the JBFilms folks saying they were using it to film in Texas.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 05, 2012, 03:31:01 AM
Dr Rox, if you go to the linked twitpic page, you'll see a tweet from one of the JBFilms folks saying they were using it to film in Texas.

the_schnauzers.......

I assume you mean this tweet.......(since you didn't provide the link to what you were referring to).


David Jetre‏@Jetrefilm
@bruckheimerjb Filming in the desert (especially here in Texas) can be a challenge.


Even a rudimentary analysis shows that this tweet was TO JBFilms....not from them. It is from another producter/director that is completely disassociated with the JBFilms projetct (but apparently has filmed in Texas or films in Texas). Looking at JB's tweets shows that he has been on location in Arizona, Utah, Colorado and New Mexico since Feb 28. Absolutely nowhere does JB ever mention Texas in his tweets......  All this did was create a "red herring" that wasted people's time to correct the misinformation. And keeps wasting time.


Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: LoveRocked on June 05, 2012, 05:01:13 AM
by the way, start leg 4 or 5 right now?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 05, 2012, 05:50:45 AM
I have to give my credits to the TAR production team, Season 18 and 19 we got the full route a day after they had been there ( with is a great job, from a lot of the people here).
In Season 20 they got track down to leg 4 in Turin, then the where off the radar to leg 11 in Japan.

So they are getting better to travel unnoticed!!!!!!

Witch i think is sad, because i love to read the timeline with all the legs, because of all the hard work some people have done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :ghug: :ghug: :ghug: :ghug:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 05, 2012, 09:39:34 AM
The Amazing Race Australia, Wednesday, June 6

starts airing tomorrow, so be ready fot lots social media chatter about that.
I'm fairly certain Phil and company are long gone from that area.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 05, 2012, 01:42:47 PM
Since the HKG sighting was in fact Phil it seems to cancel out the chance of a Colombo leg. These are the best options for leg 4 based on flights:

Bangkok (makes sense but I hope they didn't)

Brisbane
Melbourne
Perth
Sydney

any of these Aussie options would have led to more sightings

Dubai
Hanoi

these two make sense based on no sightings

Tokyo
Seoul

I kind of doubt they will backtrack to these two but Seoul is much more likely than a revisit of Japan

Manila

same as Australia
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 05, 2012, 04:08:04 PM
Great video!

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb40/domel9/4-4.jpg)


I think this is actually Amy and Daniel in the foreground, based on her hair, and on his cap and watch (see Reta's photos).

I am happy to take any debate over to spec, if need be.   :)

I was a little confused too, because I thought the partner of the bandana guy had blonde hair. However, we later see in this video the same girl wandering around and she appears to have two regular legs, so its definitely not Amy & Daniel!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: krabbe on June 05, 2012, 04:31:34 PM
Since the HKG sighting was in fact Phil it seems to cancel out the chance of a Colombo leg. These are the best options for leg 4 based on flights:

Bangkok (makes sense but I hope they didn't)

Brisbane
Melbourne
Perth
Sydney

any of these Aussie options would have led to more sightings

Dubai
Hanoi

these two make sense based on no sightings

Tokyo
Seoul

I kind of doubt they will backtrack to these two but Seoul is much more likely than a revisit of Japan

Manila

same as Australia

Too bad about Sri Lanka. I would say Vietnam & South Korea are very probable. Emirates have daily flights from Jakarta (with transit in Singapore), so I'm guessing teams would've gone to Jakarta instead to catch the flight.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 05, 2012, 04:47:09 PM
Finally! Our first credible sighting in a long time! Jens is a pilot with Emirates Airlines which puts the sighting on one of two Dhaka to Dubai flights today:

EK583: 1015 > 1430
EK585: 2130 > 0058

So either Jens tweeted around 11 hours after his flight landed, or half an hour.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on June 05, 2012, 05:34:39 PM

So, is the missing Leg-4 could be Dhaka, Bangladesh..?!  :duno:  or Leg-5 maybe?

It seems a bit long after our Singapore sightings.. 2-3 days ago,

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Heliox on June 05, 2012, 05:44:11 PM
Phenomenal video showing a segment of how the racers, camera and sound guys work. Interesting that if you ask someone for help that the process of documenting that may slow you down.

Dhaka and Dubai.. very cool if that is true.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 05, 2012, 05:48:32 PM
Whoa, does that put us to like six Asia legs? There was time in the gap for legs four and five in possibly Vietnam and Bangladesh and Dubai is the sixth!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on June 05, 2012, 06:10:51 PM
Just wanted to put this out there:

1. I highly doubt Dhaka is a connection or stopover point, so I am SURE we will be having at LEAST one leg in Bangladesh (yay!). Based on the timeline, I am guessing this Bangladesh leg is either leg 5 OR 6 (most likely 5)

2. Dubai is most likely just a connection point, and it is a huge gateway to Africa, the Middle East and Europe - so we could be going anywhere   

3. Leg 4 is still unaccounted for, Colombo is possible but that info is not fully accurate, so time will tell  :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RichInSydney on June 05, 2012, 06:15:26 PM
Just wanted to put this out there:

1. I highly doubt Dhaka is a connection or stopover point, so I am SURE we will be having at LEAST one leg in Bangladesh (yay!). Based on the timeline, I am guessing this Bangladesh leg is either leg 5 OR 6 (most likely 5)
I think Dhaka is a stopover in my view, why go all that way from Asia to Africa? Dubai in my view would be a transit point.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 05, 2012, 06:23:55 PM
Also maybe 2 legs in Bangladesh. i think Dubai is a leg. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on June 05, 2012, 06:25:07 PM
This is my speculation of whats happened so far:

May 26 STARTING DAY
May 27 flights to Shanghai
May 28 arrival in Shanghai, Leg 1 raced
May 29 depart Shanghai, arrival Surabaya, HoO
May 30 Leg 2 raced
May 31 Leg 3 raced
June 1 extended Pit Stop
June 2 depart Surabaya
June 3 Leg 4 raced (location unknown)
June 4 Leg 5 (Bangladesh)
June 5 depart Dhaka
June 6 Leg 6 raced (location unknown)

if we want to catch up to the racers, we should be looking for tweets and stuff tomorrow, when Leg 6 should start  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 05, 2012, 06:31:50 PM
I think it is possible there were 2 legs in Bangladesh. It would make sense, given the time it took to get there from Indonesia, and they have to double-up legs in some countries to stay close to a 21-23 day filming schedule. As to Dubai, I think it's 50-50 as to whether it's a location for a leg or not.

And I'm glad a pilot came through. It has been the case before (TAR 10 Sea-Tac was a noticable one as the first westward Race on record IIRC.)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on June 05, 2012, 06:52:53 PM
I agree with 2 legs in Dhaka. It seems like a place TAR could go unnoticed for a while as well.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on June 05, 2012, 07:06:15 PM
I think it is possible there were 2 legs in Bangladesh. It would make sense, given the time it took to get there from Indonesia, and they have to double-up legs in some countries to stay close to a 21-23 day filming schedule. As to Dubai, I think it's 50-50 as to whether it's a location for a leg or not.

And I'm glad a pilot came through. It has been the case before (TAR 10 Sea-Tac was a noticable one as the first westward Race on record IIRC.)

Agreed. Based on MY timeline it seems like too little time between Leg 4 and Leg 5 to change countries. Singapore could have been the connection point between Surabaya and Dhaka, and then maybe leg 4 was in Dhaka and leg 5 was in rural Bangladesh, which could explain why the racers disappeared for a while

as for Dubai, i just don't think we will have a leg there. Bangaldesh ---> Europe feels like a huge jump, so i think Dubai is a connection to AFRICA or the MIDDLE EAST. But right now the only African place that comes to mind is Uganda - its a new location, and Emirates have a direct flight there from Dubai to Entebbe. We will have to wait and see
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on June 05, 2012, 07:10:18 PM
I think it is possible there were 2 legs in Bangladesh. It would make sense, given the time it took to get there from Indonesia, and they have to double-up legs in some countries to stay close to a 21-23 day filming schedule. As to Dubai, I think it's 50-50 as to whether it's a location for a leg or not.

And I'm glad a pilot came through. It has been the case before (TAR 10 Sea-Tac was a noticable one as the first westward Race on record IIRC.)

Agreed. Based on MY timeline it seems like too little time between Leg 4 and Leg 5 to change countries. Singapore could have been the connection point between Surabaya and Dhaka, and then maybe leg 4 was in Dhaka and leg 5 was in rural Bangladesh, which could explain why the racers disappeared for a while

as for Dubai, i just don't think we will have a leg there. Bangaldesh ---> Europe feels like a huge jump, so i think Dubai is a connection to AFRICA or the MIDDLE EAST. But right now the only African place that comes to mind is Uganda - its a new location, and Emirates have a direct flight there from Dubai to Entebbe. We will have to wait and see

Dubai is the the UAE, the heart of the middle east. It's not that much of a jump at all.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on June 05, 2012, 07:18:53 PM
I think it is possible there were 2 legs in Bangladesh. It would make sense, given the time it took to get there from Indonesia, and they have to double-up legs in some countries to stay close to a 21-23 day filming schedule. As to Dubai, I think it's 50-50 as to whether it's a location for a leg or not.

And I'm glad a pilot came through. It has been the case before (TAR 10 Sea-Tac was a noticable one as the first westward Race on record IIRC.)

Agreed. Based on MY timeline it seems like too little time between Leg 4 and Leg 5 to change countries. Singapore could have been the connection point between Surabaya and Dhaka, and then maybe leg 4 was in Dhaka and leg 5 was in rural Bangladesh, which could explain why the racers disappeared for a while

as for Dubai, i just don't think we will have a leg there. Bangaldesh ---> Europe feels like a huge jump, so i think Dubai is a connection to AFRICA or the MIDDLE EAST. But right now the only African place that comes to mind is Uganda - its a new location, and Emirates have a direct flight there from Dubai to Entebbe. We will have to wait and see

Dubai is the the UAE, the heart of the middle east. It's not that much of a jump at all.

Sorry I phrased that wrong  :groan:
I know Dubai is in the Middle East, I'm just saying I don't think Dubai is a connection point to EUROPE because Bangladesh to Europe is a huge jump!
I'm trying to say Dubai is more likely a connection point to the Middle East or Africa
Do you get what I mean??
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on June 05, 2012, 07:26:27 PM
I think it is possible there were 2 legs in Bangladesh. It would make sense, given the time it took to get there from Indonesia, and they have to double-up legs in some countries to stay close to a 21-23 day filming schedule. As to Dubai, I think it's 50-50 as to whether it's a location for a leg or not.

And I'm glad a pilot came through. It has been the case before (TAR 10 Sea-Tac was a noticable one as the first westward Race on record IIRC.)

Agreed. Based on MY timeline it seems like too little time between Leg 4 and Leg 5 to change countries. Singapore could have been the connection point between Surabaya and Dhaka, and then maybe leg 4 was in Dhaka and leg 5 was in rural Bangladesh, which could explain why the racers disappeared for a while

as for Dubai, i just don't think we will have a leg there. Bangaldesh ---> Europe feels like a huge jump, so i think Dubai is a connection to AFRICA or the MIDDLE EAST. But right now the only African place that comes to mind is Uganda - its a new location, and Emirates have a direct flight there from Dubai to Entebbe. We will have to wait and see

Dubai is the the UAE, the heart of the middle east. It's not that much of a jump at all.

Sorry I phrased that wrong  :groan:
I know Dubai is in the Middle East, I'm just saying I don't think Dubai is a connection point to EUROPE because Bangladesh to Europe is a huge jump!
I'm trying to say Dubai is more likely a connection point to the Middle East or Africa
Do you get what I mean??

I get it. Dubai could still be our Middle East location though, it doesn't have to be a connection point.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Al on June 05, 2012, 08:46:55 PM
I agree with 2 legs in Dhaka. It seems like a place TAR could go unnoticed for a while as well.

Seems like Season 19 all over again but Bangladesh > Thailand (all because Bangladesh is underused). Is it possible they flew in somewhere else in Bangladesh?

Maybe Legs 6-7 in Africa? new country?? Uganda? Because we have yet to see a new country.

I just had to register to let this out of my system. Could this be any indicator that TAR21 has been/is/will be in Uganda?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/21/jeff-rice-amazing-race-producer-poisoned_n_1292164.html

I know this piece of news was released in February. Perhaps he was there doing some planning on a leg for this season? Have you ever had news of a TAR producer/facilitator traveling to countries months before the race to plan tasks or contact suppliers?

Keep up the good work, guys!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 05, 2012, 08:48:48 PM
IIRC, he was not working on TAR at the time of his death. I think he was working on another show.

:bigwelcome to RFF!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 05, 2012, 09:01:34 PM
IIRC, he was not working on TAR at the time of his death. I think he was working on another show.

:bigwelcome to RFF!

Correct, he was working on another show. His last involvement with TAR were the legs in Malawi.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on June 05, 2012, 10:16:55 PM
Great video!

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb40/domel9/4-4.jpg)


I think this is actually Amy and Daniel in the foreground, based on her hair, and on his cap and watch (see Reta's photos).

I am happy to take any debate over to spec, if need be.   :)

I was a little confused too, because I thought the partner of the bandana guy had blonde hair. However, we later see in this video the same girl wandering around and she appears to have two regular legs, so its definitely not Amy & Daniel!
Vern is a detective who help us in Shanghai...and I'm pretty sure this is Amy and Daniel.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on June 05, 2012, 11:56:21 PM
Vern is a detective who help us in Shanghai...and I'm pretty sure this is Amy and Daniel.

A big thank you to Vern and the rest of the RFF crew! It was so cool to see the teams and TAR crew interacting.  :hearts:

I was able to review the video a few times this evening, and I was eventually able to spot all of the teams.  I'm positive that it's Daniel and Amy on the escalator behind the 2 F/F teams.  They show up again very briefly at the 2:15 mark when a bunch of teams run from the taxi stand over to the shady area.  A bunch of teams ran in that direction at that point, probably because they spotted Bandana Man and his partner.  Then there's a big rush to run back to wait in the queu, and we get a good look at Bandana Man and his partner.  Both Daniel and Bandana Man are wearing blue tank tops, which made it harder to sort it out, but they are slightly different shades of blue.  Perhaps Bandana Man and his teammate came downstairs on the opposite side of the road the way the goat farmers did?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: krabbe on June 06, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
So if the Dhaka - Dubai route is legit, the one on Rome isn't?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on June 06, 2012, 01:41:46 AM
Methinks Myanmar Leg 4/5ish, theres flights arriving at 2:55PM/3:45PM in Yangon.. could explain the lack of sightings & fits the Singapore flight thing
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 06, 2012, 01:41:51 AM
Vern is a detective who help us in Shanghai...and I'm pretty sure this is Amy and Daniel.

I was able to review the video a few times this evening, and I was eventually able to spot all of the teams.  I'm positive that it's Daniel and Amy on the escalator behind the 2 F/F teams.  They show up again very briefly at the 2:15 mark when a bunch of teams run from the taxi stand over to the shady area.  A bunch of teams ran in that direction at that point, probably because they spotted Bandana Man and his partner.  Then there's a big rush to run back to wait in the queu, and we get a good look at Bandana Man and his partner.  Both Daniel and Bandana Man are wearing blue tank tops, which made it harder to sort it out, but they are slightly different shades of blue.  Perhaps Bandana Man and his teammate came downstairs on the opposite side of the road the way the goat farmers did?

I think you're right!  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 06, 2012, 03:11:42 AM

Jens Krueger ‏@Jens_Krueger
So excited to have had “The Amazing Race” on the aircraft today from Dhaka to Dubai! Good luck to the racers! #TAR @Ihnatko

This tweet was made at 1:01 am, June 6 in Dubai. So I would assume he had just landed and that would make his flight EK 585  9:30 pm(10:03pm)---12:25am(12:58am). The other earlier flight EK 583 arrived in Dubai @ 2:30 pm June 5. I just dont think that pilot would wait till after midnight (10 hours) to post the tweet.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on June 06, 2012, 05:23:46 AM

There's a  post from yesterday saying someone worked on the race.

This person is in Dhaka, Bangladesh. This meshes nicely with the sighting by the pilot on the flight from Dhaka to Dubai. It sounds like we had a leg in Bangladesh! I believe that's a new country.

First visit to Bangladesh was TAR17  :tup: so this will be our second visit  :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 06, 2012, 05:48:18 AM
There's a post from yesterday saying someone worked on the race.


This person is in Dhaka, Bangladesh. This meshes nicely with the sighting by the pilot on the flight from Dhaka to Dubai. It sounds like we had a leg in Bangladesh! I believe that's a new country.

First visit to Bangladesh was TAR17  :tup: so this will be our second visit  :yess:

Oops!
 :groan:
After I posted that, I was pretty sure I was wrong about it being the first time in Bangladesh. I was too busy to look it up now and was going to do it later on.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 06, 2012, 08:32:43 AM
Methinks Myanmar Leg 4/5ish, theres flights arriving at 2:55PM/3:45PM in Yangon.. could explain the lack of sightings & fits the Singapore flight thing

Bangladesh was definitely leg 5 and could have been leg 4 as well. But Vietnam still seems like an option for leg 4.

I do think it is a good chance that Dubai is a connection to Africa or Europe rather than a sixth leg in Asia (there has never been that many.) After arriving on EK585 they could have connected to:

Frankfurt on EK 43
Kiev on PS 374
Johannesburg on EK 761
Amsterdam on EK 147
Moscow on EK 133

I kind of doubt a Western Europe destination so I'm ignoring those. Moscow and Kiev are the most interesting to me.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 06, 2012, 08:33:55 AM
There's a  post from yesterday saying someone worked on the race.

This person is in Dhaka, Bangladesh. This meshes nicely with the sighting by the pilot on the flight from Dhaka to Dubai. It sounds like we had a leg in Bangladesh! I believe that's a new country.

No.  They were in Dhaka in TAR17, episode 9.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on June 06, 2012, 08:35:16 AM
Thanks I didnt know
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on June 06, 2012, 08:47:05 AM


Bangladesh was definitely leg 5 and could have been leg 4 as well. But Vietnam still seems like an option for leg 4.

I do think it is a good chance that Dubai is a connection to Africa or Europe rather than a sixth leg in Asia (there has never been that many.)

TAR15:
1. Japan
2. Vietnam
3. Vietnam
4. Cambodia
5. UAE
6. UAE


;D
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 06, 2012, 08:47:56 AM
There's a  post from yesterday saying someone worked on the race.

This person is in Dhaka, Bangladesh. This meshes nicely with the sighting by the pilot on the flight from Dhaka to Dubai. It sounds like we had a leg in Bangladesh! I believe that's a new country.

No.  They were in Dhaka in TAR17, episode 9.

Yes, I had a memory lapse.  :groan:

I've removed that error on my part.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 06, 2012, 08:52:38 AM
I just counted that earlier and came up with 5. :duh: Well Moscow or Kiev would be a sixth Asia leg anyway. The odder thing is six legs with no new countries.

I really doubt Burma because of their restrictive guidelines on filming.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 06, 2012, 09:02:46 AM

Bangladesh was definitely leg 5 and could have been leg 4 as well. But Vietnam still seems like an option for leg 4.


APPEARS definite for 5. Leg 4 is unknown. . Still need a sighting for legs 4/5.

You will have to take it on faith...but VietNam is not an option.


Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on June 06, 2012, 09:06:27 AM


Bangladesh was definitely leg 5 and could have been leg 4 as well. But Vietnam still seems like an option for leg 4.

I do think it is a good chance that Dubai is a connection to Africa or Europe rather than a sixth leg in Asia (there has never been that many.)

TAR15:
1. Japan
2. Vietnam
3. Vietnam
4. Cambodia
5. UAE
6. UAE


;D
TAR14:
1. Russia
2. Russia
3. India
4. Thailand
5. Thailand
6. China
7. China
8. China

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 06, 2012, 09:09:44 AM
There's a  post from yesterday saying someone worked on the race.

This person is in Dhaka, Bangladesh. This meshes nicely with the sighting by the pilot on the flight from Dhaka to Dubai. It sounds like we had a leg in Bangladesh! I believe that's a new country.

No.  They were in Dhaka in TAR17, episode 9.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo seriously Bangladash again, why not Nepal. :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah:

But what bugs me the most is there is no new countries. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on June 06, 2012, 09:12:57 AM
At least it isn't India :lol:

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 06, 2012, 09:14:41 AM
Quote
But what bugs me the most is there is no new countries. :'( :'( :'( :'(


They're coming!   :tup:

(http://anirishtory.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/rock-of-gibraltar.jpg?w=590&h=366)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on June 06, 2012, 09:20:23 AM
Quote
But what bugs me the most is there is no new countries. :'( :'( :'( :'(


They're coming!   :tup:


Woww.. Gibraltar, Spain..?! Interesting..  :hrt:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on June 06, 2012, 09:21:25 AM
They're going to Gibraltar? ???
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 06, 2012, 09:22:38 AM
Quote
But what bugs me the most is there is no new countries. :'( :'( :'( :'(


They're coming!   :tup:

(http://anirishtory.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/rock-of-gibraltar.jpg?w=590&h=366)

If they go to Spain my hope is they go to Madrid!!!!!!!! :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:

But i also have a strong feeling that they are going to Latvia this season. :future :future :future :future
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 06, 2012, 09:43:42 AM

Well Moscow or Kiev would be a sixth Asia leg anyway.


Incorrect.

Moscow and Kiev are both in Europe. For future reference, as far as Russia is concerned, the dividing line is the Ural Mountains. West of the Urals is Europe and east of the Urals is Asia.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 06, 2012, 10:45:51 AM
Chateau needs his own wishlist thread. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Mattjimf on June 06, 2012, 12:54:32 PM
Kiev is gearing up for the UEFA European Championship, pretty much the whole of Europe's sports journalists will be there for it, so I doubt they would be heading to anywhere near it, which includes Poland, both joint hosting.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: chill_sd on June 06, 2012, 01:29:11 PM
Turkey!
Quote
Siti Fatimah Hisham ‏@CtFatimah101

Ada Amazing Race at the Grand Bazaar today lol. My dad tolong beli tea from one of the contestants.

Tweeter is from KL but I believe they are in Istanbul right now.
Asked for more info.

If this is us, and if my translator is correct, this looks like a tea-selling challenge.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on June 06, 2012, 01:34:22 PM
Turkey!
Quote
Siti Fatimah Hisham ‏@CtFatimah101

Ada Amazing Race at the Grand Bazaar today lol. My dad tolong beli tea from one of the contestants.

Tweeter is from KL but I believe they are in Istanbul right now.
Asked for more info.

If this is us, and if my translator is correct, this looks like a tea-selling challenge.


Yeapp! Seems like they're setting up a tea stall or some sort and need to sell a certain amount of tea cups or to get a certain amount of money before they can continue..

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on June 06, 2012, 01:53:54 PM
Turkey! Hopefully we have another leg somewhere out Istanbul.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 06, 2012, 02:02:13 PM
Just searched Twitter for the "Kapalı çarşı", the Turkish words for the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul, and was greeted with some very coincidental pictures! Before we all get too excited, these flags have been put in the Bazaar in honour of the football team 'Galatasaray', whose colours are red and yellow, NOT The Amazing Race! However, it would provide a great backdrop for filming!!

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Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on June 06, 2012, 02:04:11 PM
I just noticed Laos could also be a possibilty for leg 4. Prophet noticed that Bangkok is the biggest possibilty after Singapore and Luang Prabang (Laos) main flight hub is Bangkok. Just for the record.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selkie on June 06, 2012, 02:06:50 PM
Nepal has just enough problems with communist insurgents in recent years to make TAR's rather conservative insurance company nervous.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 06, 2012, 02:30:06 PM
Several comments:
1. Turkey does seem like a live possibility, although some twitpics would be nice. The bazaar photos with the red and yellow banner would be the sort of location TAR would use because of those colors. TPTB have done that enough times over the years.
2. I'm doubtful the teams would go to another country after Indonesia and before Bangladesh just for one leg. It's a economy-of-timing issue, since both Phil and the remaining teams would have to get in and get back out with enough time for Phil to leap frog back ahead of the teams. And the time used getting in and out argues against it. I'm not saying it is impossible but I think it's highly unlikely. The amount of time teams have spent at connecting airports is a lot so far for this cycle, and it's going to be an issue when they're headed to places with more difficult international connecting flights.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 06, 2012, 03:35:14 PM
I haven't had any luck so far, but here's some search terms that might prove useful (make sure to copy and paste them, because some of the characters are not the same as our alphabet!):

çekim - filming
kameralar - cameras
Ayasofya - Hagia Sophia
Kapalıçarşı or Kapalı çarşı - Grand Bazaar
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on June 06, 2012, 03:51:50 PM
I haven't had any luck so far, but here's some search terms that might prove useful (make sure to copy and paste them, because some of the characters are not the same as our alphabet!):

çekim - filming
kameralar - cameras
Ayasofya - Hagia Sophia
Kapalıçarşı or Kapalı çarşı - Grand Bazaar

Me too :(

I've tried two major photo album and hosting sites but nothing relevant to our race, "usually" we're always got one or two Live sighting pictures from the photo album sites.. Maybe they'll upload it soon? I don't know, hehe.. ;D

We'll see in a couple days later if there's someone uploaded/posted something in their site/blogs.. *fingers-crossed*

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: halfass09 on June 06, 2012, 08:52:31 PM
Hey guys! I've been following RFF for YEARS and I've finally decided to post.  :conf:

Anyways, based on all the info we have so far as well some speculation, here is what I think the route will look like for TAR 21. Sorry if this is in the wrong thread Peach!

Leg 1: Shanghai, China
Leg 2: Surabaya, Indonesia
Leg 3: Pasuruan, Indonesia
Leg 4: Dhaka, Bangladesh
Leg 5: Bangladesh
Leg 6: Istanbul, Turkey
Leg 7: Istanbul, Turkey
Leg 8: Moscow, Russia
Leg 9: Riga, Latvia
Leg 10: Madrid, Spain
Leg 11: Madrid, Spain
Leg 12: East Coast, USA

Leg 4/5 are interchangeable in Bangladesh. I predict they will be in Dhaka for one leg and the outskirts/countryside for the other leg.
Leg 7 could be a double leg Istanbul or they might travel to another destination in Turkey. Izmir, Antalya, Cappadocia, etc.
Chateau had evidence that they will be in the Moscow Area soon so they'll have one leg there, then Latvia because it's relatively close to Moscow and it's a country that hasn't been visited.
Leg 10 & 11 in Madrid because it is WAYY OVERDUE.
And hopefully an East Coast City. Boston, Philadelphia or maybe Washington D.C.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on June 06, 2012, 09:02:36 PM
Hey guys! I've been following RFF for YEARS and I've finally decided to post.  :conf:
:bigwelcome



And hopefully an East Coast City. Boston, Philadelphia or maybe Washington D.C.

I hope you are right about Boston.  If anyone hears anything worth pursuing in this area, I'm dropping everything to check it out! 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selfeviction on June 06, 2012, 09:22:56 PM
Hey guys! I've been following RFF for YEARS and I've finally decided to post.  :conf:

Anyways, based on all the info we have so far as well some speculation, here is what I think the route will look like for TAR 21. Sorry if this is in the wrong thread Peach!

Leg 1: Shanghai, China
Leg 2: Surabaya, Indonesia
Leg 3: Pasuruan, Indonesia
Leg 4: Dhaka, Bangladesh
Leg 5: Bangladesh
Leg 6: Istanbul, Turkey
Leg 7: Istanbul, Turkey
Leg 8: Moscow, Russia
Leg 9: Riga, Latvia
Leg 10: Madrid, Spain
Leg 11: Madrid, Spain
Leg 12: East Coast, USA

Leg 4/5 are interchangeable in Bangladesh. I predict they will be in Dhaka for one leg and the outskirts/countryside for the other leg.
Leg 7 could be a double leg Istanbul or they might travel to another destination in Turkey. Izmir, Antalya, Cappadocia, etc.
Chateau had evidence that they will be in the Moscow Area soon so they'll have one leg there, then Latvia because it's relatively close to Moscow and it's a country that hasn't been visited.
Leg 10 & 11 in Madrid because it is WAYY OVERDUE.
And hopefully an East Coast City. Boston, Philadelphia or maybe Washington D.C.
Why two legs in Spain???
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 06, 2012, 09:35:31 PM
Probably not the right place for the discussion.

And I'm not the one with the Moscow info.   :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 06, 2012, 10:22:11 PM
Hey guys! I've been following RFF for YEARS and I've finally decided to post.  :conf:


Years?? Bout time you posted then!! :lol:

:bigwelcome

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: halfass09 on June 06, 2012, 10:49:30 PM
Sorry Chateau, it was Plaidmoon.  :groan:

Why two legs in Spain???

And two legs in Spain is a spec. But it's way overdue. They haven't even had a full leg in Spain!
They had a leg in Barcelona in TAR 10 with only a detour.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 06, 2012, 11:23:40 PM
Love the picture Dom!!

And maybe TAR got lost with this:

Madonna visits Hagia Sophia & the Blue Mosque in Istanbul [5 & 6 June 2012] « Madonnarama
www.madonnarama.com
Madonna’s MDNA Tour made a stop in Istanbul and will perform at the Turk Telekom Arena, tomorrow. She arrived yesterday at the Ataturk airport...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on June 07, 2012, 12:06:19 AM
Love the picture Dom!!

And maybe TAR got lost with this:

Madonna visits Hagia Sophia & the Blue Mosque in Istanbul [5 & 6 June 2012] « Madonnarama
www.madonnarama.com
Madonna’s MDNA Tour made a stop in Istanbul and will perform at the Turk Telekom Arena, tomorrow. She arrived yesterday at the Ataturk airport...

After Tel Aviv a while ago, she's heading for Turkey, and her next stop is Barcelona, Spain...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 07, 2012, 12:07:50 AM
Sorry Chateau, it was Plaidmoon.  :groan:

Why two legs in Spain???

And two legs in Spain is a spec. But it's way overdue. They haven't even had a full leg in Spain!
They had a leg in Barcelona in TAR 10 with only a detour.

I'll keep my Gibraltar but trade you Monico for one of your Spains!

 :jam:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: EagleSpirit0 on June 07, 2012, 05:01:47 AM
I just noticed Laos could also be a possibilty for leg 4. Prophet noticed that Bangkok is the biggest possibilty after Singapore and Luang Prabang (Laos) main flight hub is Bangkok. Just for the record.

@Addie, I don't want to count my chickens before the eggs hatch or rain on your parade, but I can guarantee [almost 95%] that no teams came through Vientiane or Luang Prabang within the last week.  Laos has a pretty small expat community (and an even smaller community to support filming events), and there's been no word of anything happening.  I sat in Wattay Airport for the two days when it was possible for the teams to arrive via Singapore (via Bangkok), and there were no teams there.  Laos is most likely not the lost leg.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 07, 2012, 10:20:30 AM
So happy that Istanbul gets another visit, i was a Lithe bit down about Bangladash getting another visits, but now i`am happy.  :yess: :yess: :yess: :yess:

I cross my fingers for they go to Hagia Sophia & the Blue Mosque and of course The Grand Bazar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is also places they did not go to in The Amazing Race 7.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 07, 2012, 10:59:07 AM
The Twetpic(?) of the one team on a Turkish bus or train is comforting that the little pieces have fallen into place just a bit. I do love the fact that you can see that the particular team seems to be carefully reading through the clue and detail sheet9s) while they're in transit and cameras rolling.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: choroneko on June 07, 2012, 02:28:01 PM
Bravo Dom! The locations look promising and interesting. Looks like they did great Indonesian legs this time. And the teams are likeable compare to TAR 20.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 07, 2012, 02:54:06 PM

Both the Chippendales and the Sri Lankan twins came across as very likable in the LAX food court!   :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on June 07, 2012, 04:45:38 PM

Both the Chippendales and the Sri Lankan twins came across as very likable in the LAX food court!   :hearts:

I'm glad to hear that. After what happened last season with Art/JJ, I was hoping they wouldn't turn out to be another egotistical M/M team.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Charlie90 on June 07, 2012, 05:16:16 PM

Both the Chippendales and the Sri Lankan twins came across as very likable in the LAX food court!   :hearts:

Yeah, i hope they make it far or even win the Race. We haven't had a M/M team win in a while.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on June 07, 2012, 05:19:18 PM

Both the Chippendales and the Sri Lankan twins came across as very likable in the LAX food court!   :hearts:

I'm glad to hear that. After what happened last season with Art/JJ, I was hoping they wouldn't turn out to be another egotistical M/M team.

I'm sure these gentlemen are MUCH friendlier with strangers, given their line of work.  Not that I would know anything about that.  Just saying....  :<3
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 07, 2012, 05:29:53 PM
We'll see how Magic Mike affects the perception of their line of work when it opens in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: reta on June 07, 2012, 08:01:36 PM

Both the Chippendales and the Sri Lankan twins came across as very likable in the LAX food court!   :hearts:

I'm glad to hear that. After what happened last season with Art/JJ, I was hoping they wouldn't turn out to be another egotistical M/M team.

I'm sure these gentlemen are MUCH friendlier with strangers, given their line of work.  Not that I would know anything about that.  Just saying....  :<3

I agree, they are very nice.

BTW, I'm so happy we are be able to track them again.  :yess: :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: topaz on June 07, 2012, 11:33:02 PM
since they're already in Turkey, are they're going to places like the capital, Ankara or Galipoli or to the ruined city of Troy and do a task there about the Trojan War? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selfeviction on June 08, 2012, 12:09:55 AM
since they're already in Turkey, are they're going to places like the capital, Ankara or Galipoli or to the ruined city of Troy and do a task there about the Trojan War? :duno:
Troy is in Turkey?? wow, never knew that  :gaah:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: cabioTAR on June 08, 2012, 08:10:13 AM
Peach,

Prior to current race I got info from tar fan's fren in vietnam who had attended meeting for tar (he said) filming with sponsor company. He said filming will be in hcm. I tried to msg u but ur mailbox is full.

So I speculated hcm is after surabaya n b4 turkey
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: balfour on June 08, 2012, 08:42:53 AM
We'll see how Magic Mike affects the perception of their line of work when it opens in a couple of weeks.

Who is Magic Mike?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 08, 2012, 08:53:02 AM
since they're already in Turkey, are they're going to places like the capital, Ankara or Galipoli or to the ruined city of Troy and do a task there about the Trojan War? :duno:

If they go there it could be so cool, those three places are worth of a visit from The Amazing Race!!!!!!!!!!!!! :luvya: :luvya: :luvya: :luvya:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Mug Costanza on June 08, 2012, 11:22:50 AM
We'll see how Magic Mike affects the perception of their line of work when it opens in a couple of weeks.

Who is Magic Mike?

It's a movie coming out soon about male strippers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7AOAWDZMDg
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 08, 2012, 11:24:07 AM
From squad_Deep_Pond timeline.....

Left Newark, NJ on SK 908 @ 7:00pm to Oslo on June 7.
Left Oslo on    SK 2730 @ 9:50 am on June 8.
Arrived in Moscow (SVO) @ 2:17 pm. June 8 (Moscow time)
Cleared imigration and customs @ approx 3:00 pm
Arrived at probably a rented apt @ 4:35 pm
Went for walk and spotted Phil @ 6:42 pm Moscow time in front of the Bolshoi Theater

 From his handle....I would suspect he is a junior swimmer/diver and attending some kind of swim meet.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: SoYoung on June 08, 2012, 11:30:12 AM
SO Bolshoi Theater would be the PitStop right? He said Phil is waiting for the teams. I thought Phil would avoid taking pictures because it might be spoiled.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 08, 2012, 11:35:14 AM
I am very suprised Phil allowed that picture. GOOD CATCH......
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 08, 2012, 12:04:00 PM
Peach,

Prior to current race I got info from tar fan's fren in vietnam who had attended meeting for tar (he said) filming with sponsor company. He said filming will be in hcm. I tried to msg u but ur mailbox is full.

So I speculated hcm is after surabaya n b4 turkey

Thanks! But do not think we see VietNam this time...perhaps for the VietNam franchise??   ???
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: krabbe on June 08, 2012, 12:29:36 PM
I am very suprised Phil allowed that picture. GOOD CATCH......

phil posed with some fans in borobudur last year
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 08, 2012, 12:45:11 PM
It's interesting how we're having as much luck having Phil spotted, apart from the Racers, than the Racers in action. Guess Phil is finally becoming a world wide celebrity. ;)

While it seems we'e not sure if there were one or two legs in a couple of the countries, it does seem though we're having better luck this time around than TAR 19 or 20.

And Magic Mike (IMDb link (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1915581/)) is a quasi-autobiographical film of Channing Tatum's experiences as a male stripper in Tampa before he made it as an actor. The film is directed by Steven Soderbergh  comes out June 25th. and also stars Channing Tatum, Alex Pettyfer, Matt Bomer,  Matthew McConaughey, Joe Manganiello, and Olivia Munn. It also open in the UK the first week in July.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 08, 2012, 12:51:59 PM
Current Moscow time: 952 PM
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 08, 2012, 01:15:57 PM
According to Weather Underground, sunrise today was at 4:46 AM local time, and sunset is at 10:11 PM local time. So it's still light out. But the weather at the moment is light rain showers and a chance of thunderstorms.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 08, 2012, 01:23:30 PM
Direct flights ISTanbul to Moscow 6/8:

IST Istanbul SU 2135  Aeroflot 5:45 AM  5:32 AM     
IST Istanbul SU 2131  Aeroflot 4:25 PM  5:29 PM   (actual arr--was scheduled for 4:29)


So a possible evening/night arrival and leg?? Or one heck of a long daytime leg!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 08, 2012, 01:24:09 PM
Good job SoYoung!! :hearts:

RFF:
Shanghai :yes:
Surabaya :yes:
Moscow   :yes:

Dhaka is probably a leg and Istanbul definitely is.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 08, 2012, 01:28:02 PM
Peach, wasn't Phil quoted by the eyewitness as saying he was  "waiting for the Racers?" That would suggest to me that the early morning arrival was more likely.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 08, 2012, 01:38:53 PM
It's interesting how we're having as much luck having Phil spotted, apart from the Racers, than the Racers in action. Guess Phil is finally becoming a world wide delebrity. ;)

While it seems we'e not sure if there were one or two legs in a couple of the countries, it does seem though we're having better luck this time around than TAR 19 or 20.

And Magic Mike (IMDb link (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1915581/)) is a quasi-autobiographical film of Channing Tatum's experiences as a male stripper in Tampa before he made it as an actor. The film is directed by Steven Soderbergh  comes out June 25th. and also stars Channing Tatum, Alex Pettyfer, Matt Bomer,  Matthew McConaughey, Joe Manganiello, and Olivia Munn. It also open in the UK the first week in July.


Several of the Phil sightings were by Americans though.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 08, 2012, 01:52:40 PM
It seems we are missing one day.  The Istanbul leg was run on Wednesday the 6th. 

What if Phil was seen when he was doing his standup for the Moscow leg (Thursday the 8th).  That would have the Teams running Moscow tomorrow Friday the 9th.

The implication of missing a day is that there may be another leg between Istanbul and Moscow.  A TBC into Bulgaria would be possible with the Teams arriving in Moscow on

June 8th           FB 363    Bulgaria Air    3:10 PM       7:00 PM
or June 9th    SSU 2061   Aeroflot           12:45 PM          4:45 PM

I want that new country!!!!   :gaah:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 08, 2012, 02:26:44 PM
Peach, wasn't Phil quoted by the eyewitness as saying he was  "waiting for the Racers?" That would suggest to me that the early morning arrival was more likely.

He wasn't seen until about 6+++ PM though...

See Dr Rox's time analysis^^
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 08, 2012, 02:29:57 PM
Good job SoYoung!! :hearts:

RFF:
Shanghai :yes:
Surabaya :yes:
Moscow   :yes:

Dhaka is probably a leg and Istanbul definitely is.

Sorry. The point was not what was a leg and what isn't, but what RFF pre-spoiled correctly.

We also had Taipei thanks to the China contingent, and Turkey in general terms, but not Istanbul specifically or Bangladesh.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: bcp19 on June 08, 2012, 02:44:43 PM
I'm just trying to figure out why the guy who posted the pic with Phil looks so familiar.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 08, 2012, 03:04:47 PM
Well posibilities for June 7 are:

1) Second leg in Istanbul

2) First leg in Moscow

3) day off with extended pit stop to let Phil get a day ahead.


bcp19......
squad_Deep_Pond has a pretty average Twitter account. Lots of local pictures.....some are really not good to post on the internet. Lots of personal info there. Sure sounds like the teenager he supposedly is.  And if it is a plant....well he tweeted at exactly the correct times for his travel to central Moscow.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 08, 2012, 03:32:17 PM
In my calendar Thursday is the 7th and Friday is the 8th - but your point still stands.
We know the teams were active in Moscow on Friday the 8th - what were they doing on the 7th?
Train from Istanbul to Sofia, then fly to Moscow?
Maybe?
It seems we are missing one day.  The Istanbul leg was run on Wednesday the 6th. 

What if Phil was seen when he was doing his standup for the Moscow leg (Thursday the 8th).  That would have the Teams running Moscow tomorrow Friday the 9th.

The implication of missing a day is that there may be another leg between Istanbul and Moscow.  A TBC into Bulgaria would be possible with the Teams arriving in Moscow on

June 8th           FB 363    Bulgaria Air    3:10 PM       7:00 PM
or June 9th    SSU 2061   Aeroflot           12:45 PM          4:45 PM

I want that new country!!!!   :gaah:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: bcp19 on June 08, 2012, 03:33:19 PM
bcp19......
squad_Deep_Pond has a pretty average Twitter account. Lots of local pictures.....some are really not good to post on the internet. Lots of personal info there. Sure sounds like the teenager he supposedly is.  And if it is a plant....well he tweeted at exactly the correct times for his travel to central Moscow.
It's not that I think he is a plant, he just looks familiar.  He probably just looks like someone I have seen.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 08, 2012, 04:53:51 PM
Where did Bulgaria come from?
I just don't see there being six consecutive one country legs happening. It'd be hard on Phil, production and the Racers (not that the latter matters in pacing.) I think two legs in Turkey (the second outside of Istanbul) would be far more likely.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 08, 2012, 05:10:24 PM
bcp19......
squad_Deep_Pond has a pretty average Twitter account. Lots of local pictures.....some are really not good to post on the internet. Lots of personal info there. Sure sounds like the teenager he supposedly is.  And if it is a plant....well he tweeted at exactly the correct times for his travel to central Moscow.
It's not that I think he is a plant, he just looks familiar.  He probably just looks like someone I have seen.

Some people think everyone is a plant :lol:

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on June 08, 2012, 05:53:52 PM
Could teams be heading to Latvia next?

Another leg in a former Soviet country seems likely after Russia, and we still haven't had any new countries  :'(

Latvia is way overdue. Does anyone know if there are other forms of direct transport from Moscow-Riga? Like trains?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on June 08, 2012, 06:00:11 PM
There are 2 overnight trains from Moscow to Riga.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: LoveRocked on June 08, 2012, 07:10:37 PM
bcp19......
squad_Deep_Pond has a pretty average Twitter account. Lots of local pictures.....some are really not good to post on the internet. Lots of personal info there. Sure sounds like the teenager he supposedly is.  And if it is a plant....well he tweeted at exactly the correct times for his travel to central Moscow.
It's not that I think he is a plant, he just looks familiar.  He probably just looks like someone I have seen.

Some people think everyone is a plant :lol:



:lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: topaz on June 08, 2012, 08:26:43 PM
besides Latvia, they'd didn't visited Belarus and Slovak Republic as well.  So either of those 3 Eastern European countries are possible way to get there from Moscow, Russia either through train or airline travel.  As for the benefit QueenofRussia which she didn't knew that the ancient and legendary city of Troy which is a famous place for the Trojan War incident is located in Turkey, here's the info from wikipedia and if you take a look closer to the map of that country, it's just a few step away from Galipoli and hundred miles south of the city of Istanbul: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy

And to get there from Istanbul is I do believe they had to ride a chartered/tourist bus going to the town of Troia where the said ancient city was located.  And that will be nice if they'll feature it for this season. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: SoYoung on June 08, 2012, 09:53:56 PM
bcp19......
squad_Deep_Pond has a pretty average Twitter account. Lots of local pictures.....some are really not good to post on the internet. Lots of personal info there. Sure sounds like the teenager he supposedly is.  And if it is a plant....well he tweeted at exactly the correct times for his travel to central Moscow.
It's not that I think he is a plant, he just looks familiar.  He probably just looks like someone I have seen.

Some people think everyone is a plant :lol:

Whatis a plant?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on June 08, 2012, 10:04:15 PM
bcp19......
squad_Deep_Pond has a pretty average Twitter account. Lots of local pictures.....some are really not good to post on the internet. Lots of personal info there. Sure sounds like the teenager he supposedly is.  And if it is a plant....well he tweeted at exactly the correct times for his travel to central Moscow.
It's not that I think he is a plant, he just looks familiar.  He probably just looks like someone I have seen.

Some people think everyone is a plant :lol:

Whatis a plant?

(http://i47.[banned image hosting site].com/zk1j5j.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 08, 2012, 10:07:56 PM
bcp19......
squad_Deep_Pond has a pretty average Twitter account. Lots of local pictures.....some are really not good to post on the internet. Lots of personal info there. Sure sounds like the teenager he supposedly is.  And if it is a plant....well he tweeted at exactly the correct times for his travel to central Moscow.
It's not that I think he is a plant, he just looks familiar.  He probably just looks like someone I have seen.

Some people think everyone is a plant :lol:

Whatis a plant?

In this case, a plant is someone posting false information to fool us. I don't think that is happening here.

Congratulations on finding sightings in Russia! All help is greatly appreciated. 
 :ty3:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Mug Costanza on June 08, 2012, 11:20:08 PM
Squad Deep Pond has answered a question on his instagram photo and revealed a team he saw.

angela_rae
did you see any of the teams? · 55 minutes ago

squadeepond
Ya some old heads with dreads · 40 minutes ago


I'm not sure who he's referring to. The old guy with the mohawk?

Possibly the older hippies M/M team? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: aj_0852 on June 08, 2012, 11:22:02 PM
CloseUp...not us?

this is possibly the TAR Philippine version?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 08, 2012, 11:36:46 PM
Yes, already answered.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Air on June 09, 2012, 12:26:00 AM
bcp19......
squad_Deep_Pond has a pretty average Twitter account. Lots of local pictures.....some are really not good to post on the internet. Lots of personal info there. Sure sounds like the teenager he supposedly is.  And if it is a plant....well he tweeted at exactly the correct times for his travel to central Moscow.
It's not that I think he is a plant, he just looks familiar.  He probably just looks like someone I have seen.

 :lol3: :lolmao:
Some people think everyone is a plant :lol:

Whatis a plant?

(http://i47.[banned image hosting site].com/zk1j5j.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 09, 2012, 04:05:26 AM
Since TAR is in Moscow.......I just want to repost one of Neobie's observations about TAR/WRP travel to Russia.

TAR/WRP always flies out of Russia from the same city they fly into Russia.

So I would completely discount any train trips involving leaving Russia. I have no doubt that they will fly out of Moscow. I would also bet that they fly out of SVO, if that is how they got to Moscow from Istanbul. I plan to try to do more research, but to me, not only the same city, but always the same airport. With St Petersburg, there is no problem because there is only one airport. But Moscow is different....it has two major international airports. SVO and DME. But in all the TAR episodes there, that I have been following the spoilers........I can never remember at any time, teams arriving at DME...........only SVO.  It will be a fun exercise to try to pull up the old info and see if any resolution of this hypothesis can be determined.

One good example of this hypothesis is TAR14. Teams flew to the Asian part of Russia, east of the Urals, for two legs. The legs were in Krasnoyarsk and Novosibirsk. They took the TransSiberian Train from Krasnoyarsk to Novosibirst. For those that remember, Novosibirsk is where Phil ran down the street in his skivvies. They then went to India. There was a very easy flight from Novosibirsk to Delhi.......but instead they all few back all the way to Moscow and left the country through SVO.

In our discussions, Neobie and I came to the conclusion that there must be some kind of restriction on TAR to fly out the same way they came in. This might be due to the commerical nature of their time in Russia.....maybe a desire to view filmed coverage........or just restriction on making sure they take all the same equipment out of Russia that they took in. It is really hard to know exactly......but they always follow the same pattern when going to Russia.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 09, 2012, 04:42:43 AM
Looking at Moscow SVO departures for today.....June 9.......all of the usual European hubs and capitals are on there........... but there are two interesting destinations that are a little intriguing for TAR purposes......Casablanco, Morocco and Punta Cana, Dominican Republic. Though it is a little early to jump the Atlantic.....Punta Cana would be a reallly good way to hide out.

Casablanco could be the same way......a leg there, then the ferry to Gibraltar, especially for Chateau.......the only way to fly out of Gibraltar is through various airports in England.....Heathrow, Manchester, Liverpool etc....just depends on the day of the week. That would make a very classic TAR zigzag route.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 09, 2012, 06:54:15 AM
Since TAR is in Moscow.......I just want to repost one of Neobie's observations about TAR/WRP travel to Russia.

TAR/WRP always flies out of Russia from the same city they fly into Russia.

So I would completely discount any train trips involving leaving Russia. I have no doubt that they will fly out of Moscow. I would also bet that they fly out of SVO, if that is how they got to Moscow from Istanbul. I plan to try to do more research, but to me, not only the same city, but always the same airport. With St Petersburg, there is no problem because there is only one airport. But Moscow is different....it has two major international airports. SVO and DME. But in all the TAR episodes there, that I have been following the spoilers........I can never remember at any time, teams arriving at DME...........only SVO.  It will be a fun exercise to try to pull up the old info and see if any resolution of this hypothesis can be determined.

One good example of this hypothesis is TAR14. Teams flew to the Asian part of Russia, east of the Urals, for two legs. The legs were in Krasnoyarsk and Novosibirsk. They took the TransSiberian Train from Krasnoyarsk to Novosibirst. For those that remember, Novosibirsk is where Phil ran down the street in his skivvies. They then went to India. There was a very easy flight from Novosibirsk to Delhi.......but instead they all few back all the way to Moscow and left the country through SVO.

In our discussions, Neobie and I came to the conclusion that there must be some kind of restriction on TAR to fly out the same way they came in. This might be due to the commerical nature of their time in Russia.....maybe a desire to view filmed coverage........or just restriction on making sure they take all the same equipment out of Russia that they took in. It is really hard to know exactly......but they always follow the same pattern when going to Russia.

Dr. Rox,

Your statement if often true but not always. In AR14 episode 6 teams flew from Novosibirsk to Moscow. Some flew to Sheremetyevo and some to Domodedovo. Among the latter was definitely Tammy/Victor, as the telecast showed them navigating the Moscow subway system in a 4.5 hour gap to get to Sheremetyeo, where their flight to Jaipur left from. There may have been other AR14 teams doing the same.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on June 09, 2012, 07:32:08 AM
Since TAR is in Moscow.......I just want to repost one of Neobie's observations about TAR/WRP travel to Russia.

TAR/WRP always flies out of Russia from the same city they fly into Russia.

So I would completely discount any train trips involving leaving Russia. I have no doubt that they will fly out of Moscow. I would also bet that they fly out of SVO, if that is how they got to Moscow from Istanbul. I plan to try to do more research, but to me, not only the same city, but always the same airport. With St Petersburg, there is no problem because there is only one airport. But Moscow is different....it has two major international airports. SVO and DME. But in all the TAR episodes there, that I have been following the spoilers........I can never remember at any time, teams arriving at DME...........only SVO.  It will be a fun exercise to try to pull up the old info and see if any resolution of this hypothesis can be determined.

One good example of this hypothesis is TAR14. Teams flew to the Asian part of Russia, east of the Urals, for two legs. The legs were in Krasnoyarsk and Novosibirsk. They took the TransSiberian Train from Krasnoyarsk to Novosibirst. For those that remember, Novosibirsk is where Phil ran down the street in his skivvies. They then went to India. There was a very easy flight from Novosibirsk to Delhi.......but instead they all few back all the way to Moscow and left the country through SVO.

In our discussions, Neobie and I came to the conclusion that there must be some kind of restriction on TAR to fly out the same way they came in. This might be due to the commerical nature of their time in Russia.....maybe a desire to view filmed coverage........or just restriction on making sure they take all the same equipment out of Russia that they took in. It is really hard to know exactly......but they always follow the same pattern when going to Russia.

Dr. Rox,

Your statement if often true but not always. In AR14 episode 6 teams flew from Novosibirsk to Moscow. Some flew to Sheremetyevo and some to Domodedovo. Among the latter was definitely Tammy/Victor, as the telecast showed them navigating the Moscow subway system in a 4.5 hour gap to get to Sheremetyeo, where their flight to Jaipur left from. There may have been other AR14 teams doing the same.

But they eventually all flew out of Sheremetyeo right?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 09, 2012, 07:35:38 AM
Squad Deep Pond has answered a question on his instagram photo and revealed a team he saw.

angela_rae
did you see any of the teams? · 55 minutes ago

squadeepond
Ya some old heads with dreads · 40 minutes ago


I'm not sure who he's referring to. The old guy with the mohawk?

Possibly the older hippies M/M team? :duno:

That's what I thought too.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 09, 2012, 07:50:12 AM
Since TAR is in Moscow.......I just want to repost one of Neobie's observations about TAR/WRP travel to Russia.

TAR/WRP always flies out of Russia from the same city they fly into Russia.

So I would completely discount any train trips involving leaving Russia. I have no doubt that they will fly out of Moscow. I would also bet that they fly out of SVO, if that is how they got to Moscow from Istanbul. I plan to try to do more research, but to me, not only the same city, but always the same airport. With St Petersburg, there is no problem because there is only one airport. But Moscow is different....it has two major international airports. SVO and DME. But in all the TAR episodes there, that I have been following the spoilers........I can never remember at any time, teams arriving at DME...........only SVO.  It will be a fun exercise to try to pull up the old info and see if any resolution of this hypothesis can be determined.

One good example of this hypothesis is TAR14. Teams flew to the Asian part of Russia, east of the Urals, for two legs. The legs were in Krasnoyarsk and Novosibirsk. They took the TransSiberian Train from Krasnoyarsk to Novosibirst. For those that remember, Novosibirsk is where Phil ran down the street in his skivvies. They then went to India. There was a very easy flight from Novosibirsk to Delhi.......but instead they all few back all the way to Moscow and left the country through SVO.

In our discussions, Neobie and I came to the conclusion that there must be some kind of restriction on TAR to fly out the same way they came in. This might be due to the commerical nature of their time in Russia.....maybe a desire to view filmed coverage........or just restriction on making sure they take all the same equipment out of Russia that they took in. It is really hard to know exactly......but they always follow the same pattern when going to Russia.

Dr. Rox,

Your statement if often true but not always. In AR14 episode 6 teams flew from Novosibirsk to Moscow. Some flew to Sheremetyevo and some to Domodedovo. Among the latter was definitely Tammy/Victor, as the telecast showed them navigating the Moscow subway system in a 4.5 hour gap to get to Sheremetyeo, where their flight to Jaipur left from. There may have been other AR14 teams doing the same.

apskip........

Your really should read closer. You actually made my point....All teams Entered Russia at SVO and all teams LEFT Russia through SVO. That is what I said in my orginal post. My post had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with internal Russian domestic flights.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 09, 2012, 08:07:06 AM
I remember this from Neobie, thanks for the reminder! Good point.

And there is some evidence that filming took place into the late night 6/8, no telling when or IF the leg ended after that. It remains possible also that there is a second leg in Russia, most likely Moscow or vicinity. Plaidmoon's original find suggests the possibility of something going on there until June 10.
 
And Africa remains a serious contender for the following legs. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 09, 2012, 08:22:46 AM
The only direct flights from SVO to Africa on June 10 that I could find were to Cairo and Sharm el Sheikh....both in Egypt and I really dont think they are in the plan. But there are certainly flights to all the normal European hubs to connect to about anywhere in Africa then.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 09, 2012, 09:48:56 AM
SO Bolshoi Theater would be the PitStop right? He said Phil is waiting for the teams. I thought Phil would avoid taking pictures because it might be spoiled.

this explains how he got the picture with phil.

Squad Deep ‏@squad_DEEP_POND
Haha im gonna be on the amazing had to sign a wavier and everything

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selkie on June 09, 2012, 09:52:30 AM
I'd say Belarus is a low probability leg right now because it would be rather sensitive to have an American media/film crew there when the Belarussian government has drawn heavy criticism for civil rights crackdowns. And unlike China, they don't seem to want to have much to deal with the Western world. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 09, 2012, 10:53:50 AM
Since TAR is in Moscow.......I just want to repost one of Neobie's observations about TAR/WRP travel to Russia.

TAR/WRP always flies out of Russia from the same city they fly into Russia.

So I would completely discount any train trips involving leaving Russia. I have no doubt that they will fly out of Moscow. I would also bet that they fly out of SVO, if that is how they got to Moscow from Istanbul. I plan to try to do more research, but to me, not only the same city, but always the same airport. With St Petersburg, there is no problem because there is only one airport. But Moscow is different....it has two major international airports. SVO and DME. But in all the TAR episodes there, that I have been following the spoilers........I can never remember at any time, teams arriving at DME...........only SVO.  It will be a fun exercise to try to pull up the old info and see if any resolution of this hypothesis can be determined.

One good example of this hypothesis is TAR14. Teams flew to the Asian part of Russia, east of the Urals, for two legs. The legs were in Krasnoyarsk and Novosibirsk. They took the TransSiberian Train from Krasnoyarsk to Novosibirst. For those that remember, Novosibirsk is where Phil ran down the street in his skivvies. They then went to India. There was a very easy flight from Novosibirsk to Delhi.......but instead they all few back all the way to Moscow and left the country through SVO.

In our discussions, Neobie and I came to the conclusion that there must be some kind of restriction on TAR to fly out the same way they came in. This might be due to the commerical nature of their time in Russia.....maybe a desire to view filmed coverage........or just restriction on making sure they take all the same equipment out of Russia that they took in. It is really hard to know exactly......but they always follow the same pattern when going to Russia.

Did this apply to TAR13?

It gets tricky!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on June 09, 2012, 11:07:36 AM
Moscow to Egypt sounds WAY too TAR5-ish... Please, not now.

I think a Europe (2-3 leg) route now would be great!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 09, 2012, 11:28:00 AM
Moscow to Egypt sounds WAY too TAR5-ish... Please, not now.

I think a Europe (2-3 leg) route now would be great!

1) There is too much civil unrest in Egypt.....it is not an option.

2) There are already IN Europe......
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on June 09, 2012, 11:36:21 AM
Moscow to Egypt sounds WAY too TAR5-ish... Please, not now.

I think a Europe (2-3 leg) route now would be great!

1) There is too much civil unrest in Egypt.....it is not an option.

2) There are already IN Europe......

I know they ARE in Europe. But the thing is that people are saying: "Africa would be great"... Not yet, please. I say I want Europe next, and that's what I figure out... I think it should go now.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Zack. on June 09, 2012, 12:25:13 PM
Since TAR is in Moscow.......I just want to repost one of Neobie's observations about TAR/WRP travel to Russia.

TAR/WRP always flies out of Russia from the same city they fly into Russia.

So I would completely discount any train trips involving leaving Russia. I have no doubt that they will fly out of Moscow. I would also bet that they fly out of SVO, if that is how they got to Moscow from Istanbul. I plan to try to do more research, but to me, not only the same city, but always the same airport. With St Petersburg, there is no problem because there is only one airport. But Moscow is different....it has two major international airports. SVO and DME. But in all the TAR episodes there, that I have been following the spoilers........I can never remember at any time, teams arriving at DME...........only SVO.  It will be a fun exercise to try to pull up the old info and see if any resolution of this hypothesis can be determined.

One good example of this hypothesis is TAR14. Teams flew to the Asian part of Russia, east of the Urals, for two legs. The legs were in Krasnoyarsk and Novosibirsk. They took the TransSiberian Train from Krasnoyarsk to Novosibirst. For those that remember, Novosibirsk is where Phil ran down the street in his skivvies. They then went to India. There was a very easy flight from Novosibirsk to Delhi.......but instead they all few back all the way to Moscow and left the country through SVO.

In our discussions, Neobie and I came to the conclusion that there must be some kind of restriction on TAR to fly out the same way they came in. This might be due to the commerical nature of their time in Russia.....maybe a desire to view filmed coverage........or just restriction on making sure they take all the same equipment out of Russia that they took in. It is really hard to know exactly......but they always follow the same pattern when going to Russia.

Did this apply to TAR13?

It gets tricky!

It did; they just used different airports (entering via SVO, leaving via DME).

And regarding Africa as a penultimate destination (as in the last leg or two) - Accra, Addis Ababa, Casablanca, Cairo, Dakar, Johannesburg all have direct flights to the US (so does Lagos, but I don't think TAR would go to Nigeria right now). Most curious is direct service from the Cape Verdes to Boston  (though that flight arrives at night so it might not be the best choice for a final flight unless connecting to somewhere else).

Maybe we'll finish in the Eastern time zone for a change.  :hoot:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 09, 2012, 12:47:49 PM
What direct flights are you showing Addis to USA? I have not found any on a weekend anyway...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 09, 2012, 04:53:34 PM
Peach,

I get for June 16 or 17:
JFK - none
BOS - none
IAD - none
ATL - none
MCO - none

This is a complete strikeout all the way down the Atlantic seaboard.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Joeyengen on June 09, 2012, 05:30:20 PM
Peach,

I get for June 16 or 17:
JFK - none
BOS - none
IAD - none
ATL - none
MCO - none

This is a complete strikeout all the way down the Atlantic seaboard.


Yeah i just looked too and there are no direct flights to the USA for June 16 or June 17 all the flights stop at least once.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 09, 2012, 05:56:45 PM
Remember we think Taipai is ES this time. If so, that would argue in favor of a West Coast finale.

Maybe this is the time they will come thru the Caribbean or Canada first before going onto wherever?? **pure spec**
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Zack. on June 09, 2012, 06:04:09 PM
This is via phone so I can't screencap this, but flightstats shows

ET 500 ¦ ADD IAD ¦ 2215 840 (+1)

available on 6/15, 6/16, and 6/17.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Zack. on June 09, 2012, 06:17:10 PM
Remember we think Taipai is ES this time. If so, that would argue in favor of a West Coast finale.

Maybe this is the time they will come thru the Caribbean or Canada first before going onto wherever?? **pure spec**

I thought ES was placed somewhere convenient to the early race route rather than end city (hence how TAR 18 and I think 19 also (?) had ES in Thailand due to the start in Australasia despite the finish in Miami (and Atlanta).
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 09, 2012, 06:40:48 PM
Remember we think Taipai is ES this time. If so, that would argue in favor of a West Coast finale.

Maybe this is the time they will come thru the Caribbean or Canada first before going onto wherever?? **pure spec**

I thought ES was placed somewhere convenient to the early race route rather than end city (hence how TAR 18 and I think 19 also (?) had ES in Thailand due to the start in Australasia despite the finish in Miami (and Atlanta).

Taipei also could have been some sort of rally point for those first few legs so all those teams and production could fly to ES somewhere else.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 09, 2012, 06:49:39 PM
:res:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 09, 2012, 06:55:30 PM
Thanks! clearly his own private race.


From what I've found, there are "Amazing Races" going on now in the Phillipines, Norway, and Calgary.
the guy who tweeted about Calgary is from Kuwait. this doesn't include the numerous races going on in the U.S.   
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 09, 2012, 06:59:52 PM
Always are on weekends! :lol: And we have the Belmont STakes "amazing race" tweeting now too!

It's a tough job! :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 09, 2012, 10:11:33 PM
One of the problems with running TAR from East to West is the daylight barrier when leaving Europe. Most flights are mid-morning to mid-afternoon which doesnt leave much time to film in daylight. Examples:

In TAR10......Paris to NYC. Arrival in afternoon....leaving limited filming time.

In TAR 13......the finale was from Moscow to Portland via Frankfurt....but arrival was still mid-day and good sun for filming was short.

In TAR15........Prague to Las Vegas......teams were sequestered in a private room at Heathrow for 12-14 hours to wait for the LHR to LAS flight......again......afternoon arrival.

In TAR 18.......WRP solved the problem by flying to South American. South American to US flighhts mostly arrive in the early AM. So they had almost a full day to film.

In TAR19........Panama City to Atlanta, about a noon arrivals and lots of time for filming the final leg.

So I think that WRP's goal is to find some flight into the US that is similiar to TAR18/19......a very early am arrival and not something like TAR10/13/15 with mid-afternoon arrivals.

As far as ES being in Taipei:
There are dailey directs flights from Taipei to Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles. Personally, I would give those cities a low priority.

There are direct dailey flights to Anchorage. Connect to NYC, Newark, Chicago and other cities on east coast....5 different flights to JFK alone.

On Thur/Sat nights, there are direct flights to Toronto. Toronto has connections to just about any major Eastern US city and the people can pass through US Customs/Immigration in Toronto.....saving time in the US destination airport. 

On Fri/Sun there are direct flights to Vancouver. Similiar to Toronto.....pass through customs there before flight to US, but not as many major Eastern US flights.

So it will be pretty easy to sneak the ES teams into the East Coast IF that is what WRP wishes.   
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 09, 2012, 10:17:06 PM
And one additional example of the northern hemisphere into eastern U.S. approach is AR7, where teams went from England to Jamaica before flying to Miami.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 09, 2012, 10:41:35 PM
What direct flights are you showing Addis to USA? I have not found any on a weekend anyway...

Peach,

Here is the flight  from Zack broken down. I am sure that you  have found this by now.

ET 500 from (ADD) Addis Ababa to (FCO) Rome

ET 500 from (FCO) Rome to (IAD) Washington


It is direct, but one stop in Rome for fuel and a few passengers I guess. Plus it has a very good arrival time in DC......8:25am. Actually, the Rome to DC flght would be a good entry in the eastern US from just about anyplace in Africa that had an appropriate connection to Rome.

Problem is......going back to 6 pm and checking arrivals in Rome before the 4:25 am departure......there is only one arrival from Africa.......lol......Addis Abba.. So no other African connections possible.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selkie on June 09, 2012, 11:02:02 PM
One way around the light issue you'd get by going from Europe to the USA would be to say, hey, it's summer and Detroit's high enough latitude that the sun sets a little after 9:00pm this time of year. Minneapolis would have been ideal for that kind of thing, but they seem to have really cut international flights since the Delta-NWA merger.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 09, 2012, 11:09:41 PM
One way around the light issue you'd get by going from Europe to the USA would be to say, hey, it's summer and Detroit's high enough latitude that the sun sets a little after 9:00pm this time of year. Minneapolis would have been ideal for that kind of thing, but they seem to have really cut international flights since the Delta-NWA merger.

I have no problem with your theory.....but what are some actual flights that would fit the bill?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 09, 2012, 11:37:51 PM
The pattern in recent seasons seem to be that the Race goes to a country for one leg with better connections to the final city to set up the final leg. I would suspect whether east coast, west coast or inbetween, that will hold through this season, especially with the apparent course they've followed so far. There are all sorts of possibilities depending on where the 10th leg in particular is located; while the 11th leg might still be on mainland Europe, it could be quite a few other places where the Race has only been to once or not at all.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jeff_ on June 10, 2012, 09:24:05 AM
The route has many legs in Asia, it excites me a lot.
I hope one leg in Canada or Portugal.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: howie_2010 on June 10, 2012, 11:45:41 AM
In our discussions, Neobie and I came to the conclusion that there must be some kind of restriction on TAR to fly out the same way they came in. This might be due to the commerical nature of their time in Russia.....maybe a desire to view filmed coverage........or just restriction on making sure they take all the same equipment out of Russia that they took in. It is really hard to know exactly......but they always follow the same pattern when going to Russia.

Not sure it's relevant, but just adding my two cents as to why they might do this. I'm sure equipment and filming is part of the reason, but it could also be because of what information has to be divulged in applying for visas.

I'm not 100% sure about how the race works with visas, but some types of Russian visa require that the applicant divulge everything about their trip to Russia - dates, hotels, etc., but others don't. Making every team leave/enter Russia via Sheremetyevo (or Pulkovo) may in some way alter the type of visa everyone would be required to obtain for the race such that producers don't have to divulge specific route info to the racers (but I don't think production would care about that, they would probably just as easily say "act surprised").
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on June 10, 2012, 12:14:30 PM
The route has many legs in Asia, it excites me a lot.
I hope one leg in Canada or Portugal.

 :wel2
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 10, 2012, 12:36:56 PM
The route has many legs in Asia, it excites me a lot.
I hope one leg in Canada or Portugal.

 :bigwelcome
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selkie on June 10, 2012, 12:55:06 PM
A skim ofarriving international flights into Detroit (DTW) gets you the usual suspects of Frankfort, Amsterdam, Toronto, Tokyo, Paris, Ottawa, and Montreal.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on June 10, 2012, 01:09:08 PM
A skim ofarriving international flights into Detroit (DTW) gets you the usual suspects of Frankfort, Amsterdam, Toronto, Tokyo, Paris, Ottawa, and Montreal.

Yes. :tup:

Here are some flights that I would imagine they woul take if they flew to Detroit (based on their arrival times).

Amsterdam
Delta 251 (AMS-DTW)
Departure Time: 8:15 am
Arrival Time: 10:45 am

Sao Paulo
Delta 256 (GRU-DTW)
Departure Time: 10:25 pm
Arrival Time: 8:25 am

Montreal
Either Delta 3907 or 4085 (YUL-DTW)
Departure Time: 5:40/8:45 am
Arrival Time: 7:42 am/10:46 am

Ottawa
Delta 3916 (YOW-DTW)
Departure Time: 8:15 am
Arrival Time: 9:55 am

London
Delta 19 (LHR-DTW)
Departure Time: 9:05 am
Arrival Time: 12:30 pm

I don't think they would fly from either Paris, Frankfurt or Rome because those flights have mid-afternoon arrivals.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jeff_ on June 10, 2012, 07:57:23 PM
Thanks boston_jen and Alenaveda  :conf:


The countries I mentioned have gone back in time a leg, but I think in TAR 21 should not visit Portugal, since Canada is a greater chance in leg 11.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: reta on June 11, 2012, 03:05:33 AM
Don't get too excited - nothing new, just more confirmation  :lol:

instagram:

@topknotchpnay - #amazingrace at #lax before I went to #philippines

(http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u513/supah3ro/1da2b9a4b36411e1a8761231381b4856_6.jpg)

the poster also said:

Quote
'the teams were told to look excited and high five each other'

 :lol3:

So, there are Chippendales, Hippies and Blonde in this picture??
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on June 11, 2012, 05:11:51 AM
@eulaelie
My mum was on the same flight as the contestants of The Amazing Race. She should've taken photos...
2 hours ago

@eulaelie
She was sitting next to the cameraman, spoke to the contestants and ahhhhh so interesting!!!!
2 hours ago

@eulaelie
Supposedly gorgeous cameramen... (:lol:)
2 hours ago


Contacting them as we speak!

The tweeter has replied and has said the flight was on June 2nd and teams traveled from Singapore onto Dhaka, Bangladesh! :hearts:

 :hearts: So Leg 4 is Singapore right? That's what we have been missing. goodjob!  :wohoo:

SoYoung, Singapore is NOT a leg. Leg 3 is Indonesia, Leg 4 is Bangladesh and Leg 5 is also Bangladesh. Singapore was ONLY a connection point to Dhaka

nice work ovalorange!!! it all fits perfectly together  :tup:

its great that we get to see the missing pieces fall into place  :hearts:

the Singapore to Dhaka flight (SQ446) is on the day they were headed to Singapore from Surabaya
so we can assume Leg 4 and 5 were Bangladesh

 :wohoo:

also I believe _____ & Kelly from GA are the biker team (guy with green beard and woman with short hair)
so they're safe to Bangladesh!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: SoYoung on June 11, 2012, 05:16:31 AM
@eulaelie
My mum was on the same flight as the contestants of The Amazing Race. She should've taken photos...
2 hours ago

@eulaelie
She was sitting next to the cameraman, spoke to the contestants and ahhhhh so interesting!!!!
2 hours ago

@eulaelie
Supposedly gorgeous cameramen... (:lol:)
2 hours ago


Contacting them as we speak!

The tweeter has replied and has said the flight was on June 2nd and teams traveled from Singapore onto Dhaka, Bangladesh! :hearts:

 :hearts: So Leg 4 is Singapore right? That's what we have been missing. goodjob!  :wohoo:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 11, 2012, 06:39:34 AM
@eulaelie
My mum was on the same flight as the contestants of The Amazing Race. She should've taken photos...
2 hours ago

@eulaelie
She was sitting next to the cameraman, spoke to the contestants and ahhhhh so interesting!!!!
2 hours ago

@eulaelie
Supposedly gorgeous cameramen... (:lol:)
2 hours ago


Contacting them as we speak!

The tweeter has replied and has said the flight was on June 2nd and teams traveled from Singapore onto Dhaka, Bangladesh! :hearts:

 :hearts: So Leg 4 is Singapore right? That's what we have been missing. goodjob!  :wohoo:

No it was probably just a connection. I think the many RFF members in Singapore would have seen them otherwise.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 11, 2012, 07:22:18 AM
A sighting from somewhere in Europe (Amsterdam?).

Good Luck ‏@goodlucklive
Just seen a crew from the amazing race USA zoom passed us - they asked us for directions we were like "sorry" hahahaha
4:00 AM - 11 Jun 12 via Twitter for iPhone


Good Luck is a band from Capetown, South Africa, but they appear to be touring Europe. One of their tweets suggests they may have been in the Ukraine a couple of days ago and another yesterday says they are Amsterdam bound. Their webpage says they have a couple of appearances in Amsterdam late this week.

I've asked for more details.

This tweet was posted at 1:00 pm Amsterdam time, on June 11,2012.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kevin2012 on June 11, 2012, 07:31:47 AM
@eulaelie
My mum was on the same flight as the contestants of The Amazing Race. She should've taken photos...
2 hours ago

@eulaelie
She was sitting next to the cameraman, spoke to the contestants and ahhhhh so interesting!!!!
2 hours ago

@eulaelie
Supposedly gorgeous cameramen... (:lol:)
2 hours ago


Contacting them as we speak!

The tweeter has replied and has said the flight was on June 2nd and teams traveled from Singapore onto Dhaka, Bangladesh! :hearts:

 :hearts: So Leg 4 is Singapore right? That's what we have been missing. goodjob!  :wohoo:

If leg 4 really is Singapore, I have a hard time believing we couldn't get difinite spoilers from there. We got it from Bangladesh, so why not Singapore? Could be a leg or just a connection like Prophet said
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 11, 2012, 07:53:28 AM
IF, and that is a big if, they flew from Moscow to Amsterdam this morning.....there are two possible flights.

SVO>AMS am of June 11, 2012
KL 902            5:35--6:55
SU 2550          10:45--12:15 (12:31)

There are no passenger flights from DME to AMS on June 9, 10, or 11, 2012.


The Aeroflot flight seems problamatic to me.......depending on where that South African band saw the teams. If they saw them in Schipol......could be the second flight.......but from their tweets, I think the band arived in Amsterdam on June 10th. So that would mean that they saw the Amazing Race teams off airport property.....and would tend to disqualify the 12:31 arrival of the second flight.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 11, 2012, 08:14:20 AM


If leg 4 really is Singapore, I have a hard time believing we couldn't get difinite spoilers from there. We got it from Bangladesh, so why not Singapore? Could be a leg or just a connection like Prophet said

Some Teams arrived in Singapore on June 2, 2012 from Surabaya on CI 752   6:05am--9:15am and at least one team left Singapore on June 2, 2012 on SQ 446  8:35pm---10:40pm.

That give teams 11 hours and 15 minutes in Singapore. Is that enough time to run a leg....even if it is a Keep On Racing leg?  One hour at airport on arrival and one hour at airport on departure only leaves 9 hours and 15 minutes to run a leg. I dont think that there was time for a leg in Singapore. Would Production even attempt to design a leg like this? There was an earlier flight to Dacca on that day.......btw. It might be one of those airlines that is not used by Production.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 11, 2012, 09:20:12 AM
IF, and that is a big if, they flew from Moscow to Amsterdam this morning.....there are two possible flights.

SVO>AMS am of June 11, 2012
KL 902            5:35--6:55
SU 2550          10:45--12:15 (12:31)

There are no passenger flights from DME to AMS on June 9, 10, or 11, 2012.


The Aeroflot flight seems problamatic to me.......depending on where that South African band saw the teams. If they saw them in Schipol......could be the second flight.......but from their tweets, I think the band arived in Amsterdam on June 10th. So that would mean that they saw the Amazing Race teams off airport property.....and would tend to disqualify the 12:31 arrival of the second flight.

Amsterdam is a very good connection point in Europe, if they had done a leg there, we would have heard about it. Just like with Singapore.
So we have China,Indonesia, Bangladesh, Turkey and Russia.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 11, 2012, 09:41:30 AM
Zerlinda R ‏@zerachel
Spotted an Amazing Race checkpoint box right in front of the station o_o what if i steal a ticket~


she's in Amsterdam. just tweeted.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 11, 2012, 10:04:12 AM
Zerlinda R ‏@zerachel
Spotted an Amazing Race checkpoint box right in front of the station o_o what if i steal a ticket~


she's in Amsterdam. just tweeted.

So cool if it is true, would love to see Amsterdam again, i hope they go to the Olympic Stadium!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 11, 2012, 10:21:44 AM
Is the blond girl in front here dark green's partner?

http://distilleryimage2.instagram.com/3d28d370b3d811e1abd612313810100a_7.jpg
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 11, 2012, 10:27:28 AM
Is the blond girl in front here dark green's partner?

http://distilleryimage2.instagram.com/3d28d370b3d811e1abd612313810100a_7.jpg

Yes, it's Abby.  Same orange watch in her right wrist (check on Chateau's pic IMG_0245a.jpg in reply 59 in Contestant's spoilers).  And behind them, the Gay Goat Farmers.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on June 11, 2012, 11:14:34 AM
Zerlinda R ‏@zerachel
Spotted an Amazing Race checkpoint box right in front of the station o_o what if i steal a tic

A cluebox in front of station...this reminds me of TAR19 in Hamburg,Germany...they may fly to Amsterdam,then travel to other country by train...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on June 11, 2012, 11:21:59 AM
SO COOL IF THEY'RE GOING TO THE NETHERLANDS!!

I live in a town about 1,5 hour drive from Amsterdam. If it's true that it's Amsterdam, maby I could go there but I'm busy lately.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on June 11, 2012, 11:31:42 AM
Will see what I can do. Already trying to get people to Central Station :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Boingo on June 11, 2012, 11:35:55 AM
Is the blond girl in front here dark green's partner?

http://distilleryimage2.instagram.com/3d28d370b3d811e1abd612313810100a_7.jpg

 :tup:   Circular building behind racers in instagram pix is next to Hotel Ibis and Centraal Station in Amsterdam.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/h3h/178141825/
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 11, 2012, 11:39:55 AM
Is the blond girl in front here dark green's partner?

http://distilleryimage2.instagram.com/3d28d370b3d811e1abd612313810100a_7.jpg

 :tup:   Circular building behind racers in instagram pix is next to Hotel Ibis and Centraal Station in Amsterdam.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/h3h/178141825/

Looks that they're walking along Prins Hendrikkade.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 11, 2012, 11:57:48 AM
Here's a pic from the circular building point of view of Prins Hendrikkade:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gevaarlijkechemicus/3667623257/
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: NumfarPTB on June 11, 2012, 12:03:53 PM
I remember mentioning Amsterdam a few pages ago, I just didn't expect it would be a few legs later. So this is either Leg 8 or 9, right? Still 2 or 3 legs before end-city, which we haven't figured out yet, but it'll happen sometime this weekend, right?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 11, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
I predict at some point in this Amsterdam leg that they will be self driving.
This is the only leg so far that has had an opportunity for some Ford product placement.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 11, 2012, 12:43:36 PM
Since Amsterdam looks like it’s for real, we would have eight legs accounted for and possibly one we haven’t found.
That leaves at least with three legs before heading back to the U.S.  From where they are now the possibilities are pretty much anywhere.
I’m still hoping for a final leg ending on the East Coast.  So maybe they stay pretty much in Western Europe, maybe Scandinavia and then head west.  Unless of course they want to go someplace where they would be more difficult to find.  I’ve never heard if production takes that into consideration when planning.  That would be interesting to know. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 11, 2012, 12:51:43 PM
I predict at some point in this Amsterdam leg that they will be self driving.
This is the only leg so far that has had an opportunity for some Ford product placement.

the Travelocity gnomes could be on any leg. those are the two common products in most races.
I've heard the reason for product placement if the program is recorded(DVR) of viewed online, the viewer still sees theproduct. now FF... at least when viewing. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 11, 2012, 01:13:46 PM
So we have a Moscow leg seemingly filmed late on the 8th June, and teams in Amsterdam early on the 11th.. Do we think there must be another leg in between?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Heliox on June 11, 2012, 01:22:57 PM
 :gaah:
Damn! husband was in Amsterdam up until yesterday morning and he was going to find them if they went there.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Charlie90 on June 11, 2012, 01:41:05 PM
Wow no new countries so far..This looks like TAR15 redux.
Hopefully we'll get one.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 11, 2012, 02:01:53 PM
So we have a Moscow leg seemingly filmed late on the 8th June, and teams in Amsterdam early on the 11th.. Do we think there must be another leg in between?

good question. I think it's a good possibility. I'm still not certain a leg didn't happen between Singapore and Bangladesh
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 11, 2012, 02:29:49 PM
Looks like we've got another safe team :)

@perthct #amazingrace #amst

(http://distilleryimage1.s3.amazonaws.com/0cb3ea10b3cc11e1a9f71231382044a1_7.jpg)

Looks that the twins are running through Prins Hendrikkade too.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 11, 2012, 02:35:35 PM
I remember mentioning Amsterdam a few pages ago, I just didn't expect it would be a few legs later. So this is either Leg 8 or 9, right? Still 2 or 3 legs before end-city, which we haven't figured out yet, but it'll happen sometime this weekend, right?

It looks lie 8 to me, although it is hard to tell when double legs occur in the same city (which I do not show below). My count on the legs is:
1.Shanghai
2.Indonesia
3.Indonesia
4.Dhaka
5.somewhere in Bangladesh
6.Istanbul
7.Moscow
8. Amsterdam
 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Boingo on June 11, 2012, 02:50:28 PM
Looks like we've got another safe team :)

@perthct #amazingrace #amst


Looks that the twins are running through Prins Hendrikkade too.

 :lol:  Behind racers: Art Deco Building Opposite Central Station, Prins Hendrikkade (appears one racer is looking towards train station).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/31068574@N05/4871496791/
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on June 11, 2012, 02:55:30 PM
Looks like we've got another safe team :)

@perthct #amazingrace #amst

(http://distilleryimage1.s3.amazonaws.com/0cb3ea10b3cc11e1a9f71231382044a1_7.jpg)

Looks that the twins are running through Prins Hendrikkade too.

the sri lankan twins are safe until Amsterdam yay!!! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selfeviction on June 11, 2012, 02:56:22 PM
Looks like we've got another safe team :)

@perthct #amazingrace #amst

(http://distilleryimage1.s3.amazonaws.com/0cb3ea10b3cc11e1a9f71231382044a1_7.jpg)

Looks that the twins are running through Prins Hendrikkade too.

the sri lankan twins are safe until Amsterdam yay!!! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Boingo on June 11, 2012, 03:03:19 PM

 :)  Looks like you can take the train from Schiphol (airport) to Amsterdam Centraal Station.  This might be the first stop of the day in the Netherlands.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 11, 2012, 03:20:12 PM
Wow no new countries so far..This looks like TAR15 redux.
Hopefully we'll get one.

If they not have a least one new country in a season, i think it is awful :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah:

There so many great countries, they have not visit yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 11, 2012, 03:23:02 PM

 :)  Looks like you can take the train from Schiphol (airport) to Amsterdam Centraal Station.  This might be the first stop of the day in the Netherlands.

Yes maybe they go to the southern part of the Netherlands. :duno: :duno: :duno: :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 11, 2012, 03:44:55 PM
At the moment, I suspect Amsterdam is the tenth leg.
I think we've had two legs each in Indonesia, Bangladesh, Turkey, Russia.
I can see the Netherlands being a single leg to set teams up for a leg in the Americas somewhere, or countries in the Atlantic Ocean/Caribbean Sea before returning to the U.S.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 11, 2012, 03:49:50 PM
Looks like we've got another safe team :)

@perthct #amazingrace #amst



 :)  Looks like you can take the train from Schiphol (airport) to Amsterdam Centraal Station.  This might be the first stop of the day in the Netherlands.



Looks that the twins are running through Prins Hendrikkade too.

 :lol:  Behind racers: Art Deco Building Opposite Central Station, Prins Hendrikkade (appears one racer is looking towards train station).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/31068574@N05/4871496791/

Looking at both pics from the teams on Prins Hendrikkade, it seems that the twins are heading on the opposite direction that the Farmers and Abby and his mate are walking torwards (in their pic, the circular building is behind them, and the Art Deco Building is at their right; in the twins one, this building is on their left, so they are going in the circular building direction).
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 11, 2012, 04:28:54 PM
Wow no new countries so far..This looks like TAR15 redux.
Hopefully we'll get one.

If they not have a least one new country in a season, i think it is awful :gaah: :gaah: :gaah: :gaah:

There so many great countries, they have not visit yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am pretty sure we will at least get 1-2 new countries.  To my guess Latvia and Luxembourg maybe our new countries (Latvia after Russia, and Luxembourg after Netherlands)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 11, 2012, 04:51:28 PM
At the moment, I suspect Amsterdam is the tenth leg.
I think we've had two legs each in Indonesia, Bangladesh, Turkey, Russia.
I can see the Netherlands being a single leg to set teams up for a leg in the Americas somewhere, or countries in the Atlantic Ocean/Caribbean Sea before returning to the U.S.

It's anyone's guess. However, let me point out that Amazing Races almost always end on either a Saturday or a Sunday in the U.S. If the final location before the finale is in Europe, then he flights would take off early morning in Europe to land late morning U.S. My point is that I think there are another 3 legs in Europe, Africa, South America or Central America before the finale. That means that there were no second legs in Russia or in Turkey.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 11, 2012, 04:55:47 PM
At the moment, I suspect Amsterdam is the tenth leg.
I think we've had two legs each in Indonesia, Bangladesh, Turkey, Russia.
I can see the Netherlands being a single leg to set teams up for a leg in the Americas somewhere, or countries in the Atlantic Ocean/Caribbean Sea before returning to the U.S.

I don't agree with those locations because that would mean zero new countries out of ten legs. There should be at least two or three new out of ten.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jeff_ on June 11, 2012, 05:55:30 PM
Amsterdam  :conf: , i love leg in Netherlands. A beautiful country.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on June 11, 2012, 06:01:09 PM
So believed route so far:

Leg 1: USA - China
Leg 2: China-Indonesia
Leg 3: Indonesia
Leg 4: Indonesia - Bangladesh
Leg 5: Bangladesh
Leg 6: Bangladesh - Turkey
Leg 7: Turkey-Russia
Leg 8: Russia
Leg 9: Russia - Netherlands


We likely will see 1-2 more nations. Africa/or Brazil makes sense
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on June 11, 2012, 06:29:10 PM
So believed route so far:

Leg 1: USA - China
Leg 2: China-Indonesia
Leg 3: Indonesia
Leg 4: Indonesia - Bangladesh
Leg 5: Bangladesh
Leg 6: Bangladesh - Turkey
Leg 7: Turkey-Russia
Leg 8: Russia
Leg 9: Russia - Netherlands


We likely will see 1-2 more nations. Africa/or Brazil makes sense

That makes sense, but is void of any new countries to balance out the old. They aren't going to save them for the very end. I don't think there are two legs in Bangladesh or Russia.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Boingo on June 11, 2012, 06:43:35 PM
 :lol: Dom El posted this link to a blog where they saw (and photographed) the racers asking for directions in a "red light" district.

http://northernaggal.blogspot.co.uk/2012_06_01_archive.html#8858802055123347191

Amsterdam has 3 such districts, two of which are very near the Centraal Station area.

They probably didn't travel very far.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 11, 2012, 07:00:46 PM
Hi guys,

After reading all of the most experienced detectives' posts I agree there have to be at least two or three legs missing.

All countries (re)visited so far boost milenary civilizations and cities visited are not primeval tropical beach destinations. We are missing tasks at the beach in less developed areas!

Amsterdam is an extremely well connected hub for the Dutch and other Caribbean destinations that will set the teams up for an early morning arrival in the US from destinations that have an enormous amount of daily flights to all over the conterminous States.

Dutch Caribbean and South America:

Saint Maarten
Aruba
Curacao
Paramaribo

Other:

Punta Cana
Puerto Plata
Santo Domingo
Cancun

If it is not the Dutch Caribbean, then the other destinations are not only very well served from Schipol but also from Barajas and that can also give us Madrid!

What do you think?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: NumfarPTB on June 11, 2012, 07:19:52 PM
I still think that Amsterdam is more likely leg 8 or at most leg 9. Either Turkey and Russia had only a leg each or only one of them had a double leg, it's unlikely that both of them had double legs - pure speculation, I have to check the dates to make my assessment more likely.

If it's Leg 8 or 9 (I think latter more likely) - Leg 10 would be run on June 12 or 13th. With Leg 11 for June 14th or  very early June 15th at the latest. With Final 3 heading for end-city on June 16th, running final leg on June 17th or even at June 16th, depending on Leg 11 location.
 
Now onto more speculation.
They'll probably introduce a new country with the next leg. I'm trying to find train schedules, but having some difficulty at it, to speculate on another leg in Europe. Checking flights out of Amsterdam, Luxembourg would fit new country assessment. Had a hard time finding flights to South or Central American regions within up to next 18 hours  - there was a flight to Sao Paulo (which could serve like Taipei - as flight connection city). There were several flights to Canada, but that would make the inclusion of a new country harder.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: NumfarPTB on June 11, 2012, 07:35:15 PM
Amsterdam is an extremely well connected hub for the Dutch and other Caribbean destinations that will set the teams up for an early morning arrival in the US from destinations that have an enormous amount of daily flights to all over the conterminous States.

Dutch Caribbean and South America:

Saint Maarten
Aruba
Curacao
Paramaribo

Other:

Punta Cana
Puerto Plata
Santo Domingo
Cancun

If it is not the Dutch Caribbean, then the other destinations are not only very well served from Schipol but also from Barajas and that can also give us Madrid!

What do you think?

We're already a few hours away from pit-stop, and I checked flights departing from now up to 18 hours, which is already stretching more than I expect the rest period will last (Even if there's a task before next city clue, with HOO involved).

Madrid or Barcelona are likely. But for European destinations someone should really check also train schedules.

For Cities in Central America for the next leg, very unlikely (I even added Belize and Guatemala as additional possibilities to the ones you already mentioned to broaden the possibilities and nothing came up). Couldn't find flights that can reach them leaving Amsterdam in these next few hours.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 11, 2012, 08:02:36 PM
:lol: Dom El posted this link to a blog where they saw (and photographed) the racers asking for directions in a "red light" district.

http://northernaggal.blogspot.co.uk/2012_06_01_archive.html#8858802055123347191

Amsterdam has 3 such districts, two of which are very near the Centraal Station area.

They probably didn't travel very far.

Great work Boingo!

You got to the right stuff:

This shot was taken here:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3qfYqdeinTA/T9ZXTxuFGxI/AAAAAAAAAMo/uUZ5HEkcwgw/s640/blogger-image--898133646.jpg)

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Boingo on June 11, 2012, 08:13:45 PM

 :tup:  de Wallen it is!  Go Team RFF!   :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 11, 2012, 08:40:00 PM
I have a probable theory that Latvia may have been visited.  If the remaining teams were in the Amsterdam area of the late afternoon of June 11th, I researched that there is one flight that could have been taken if Latvia was after Moscow and before Amsterdam. 
-airBaltic flight#617 (for June 11 2012)
-leaves RIX at 11:35am
-arrives AMS at 1:00pm

Also last season when they visited Azerbaijan, I believe there were no tweets/info until the season began to air.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Charlie90 on June 11, 2012, 08:47:24 PM
Latvia seems likely..
and if this is leg 9 then we have on or two countries left.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: NumfarPTB on June 11, 2012, 08:52:40 PM
I have a probable theory that Latvia may have been visited.  If the remaining teams were in the Amsterdam area of the late afternoon of June 11th, I researched that there is one flight that could have been taken if Latvia was after Moscow and before Amsterdam. 
-airBaltic flight#617 (for June 11 2012)
-leaves RIX at 11:35am
-arrives AMS at 1:00pm

Also last season when they visited Azerbaijan, I believe there were no tweets/info until the season began to air.

Seems Likely, Leg 7 in Moscow was filmed on June 8th. Assuming there was some rest period midway through June 9th, with teams flying out of Moscow in the afternoon of that date. Leg 8 would have to happen through June 9th-10th. With rest period between Legs 8 and 9 at the night of June 10th to 11th.

However, you should check for earlier flights by that route so Phil can arrive earlier than teams.

Speculation about end city, I remember reading about Detroit, but what about Chicago?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: topaz on June 11, 2012, 09:03:28 PM
So believed route so far:

Leg 1: USA - China
Leg 2: China-Indonesia
Leg 3: Indonesia
Leg 4: Indonesia - Bangladesh
Leg 5: Bangladesh
Leg 6: Bangladesh - Turkey
Leg 7: Turkey-Russia
Leg 8: Russia
Leg 9: Russia - Netherlands


We likely will see 1-2 more nations. Africa/or Brazil makes sense
nah, I do believe this should be their legs for TAR 21:

leg 1: USA-China
leg 2: China-Indonesia
leg 3: Indonesia
leg 4: Singapore
leg 5: Bangladesh
leg 6: Bangladesh-Istanbul, Turkey
leg 7: (hopefully) Troia (troy), Turkey
leg 8: Turkey-Moscow, Russia
leg 9: Russia/Estonia/Belarus/Slovak Republic
leg 10: Netherlands

...and I do believe only 2 legs to go before heading back to USA.  And my prediction for leg 11?  Somewhere in Belgium/France/England/Spain/Portugal/Ireland/Canada/Bermuda/Iceland/The Carribean/Cape Verde Islands.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 11, 2012, 09:17:48 PM
Here is where the girls are running:

(http://distilleryimage1.s3.amazonaws.com/0cb3ea10b3cc11e1a9f71231382044a1_7.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 11, 2012, 09:25:37 PM
As far as we know, Russia was STILL active on June 10, so suspect they came in directly after 2 Russian legs.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 11, 2012, 09:39:55 PM
Xarles,

It's a good speculation you have on the Caribbean but I think it's too easy to spot the Amazing Race filming on small islands that are typical in the Caribbean. I think this is because at this part of AR21 WRP is trying to avoid the race being spotted wherever possible. That means that they should have a strong preference for locations that are reachable via a nonstop flight. I have taken the liberty of developing a 8 x 2 matrix based on your 8 cities and either Amsterdam or Madrid as the origin. There are no nonstop flights on Saturday June 16 (a date I picked because it is possible for the penultimate leg)  except for the following:

AMS PBM (Paramaribo) KL713 1115 1515
AMS CUR (Curacao)     KL735 0950 1325
MAD PUJ (Puerto Plata) Air Europe 33 1655 1950

It's possible there are more flights on the coming 4 days, but I will not be doing further study on this possibility.

I think my hypothesis about Central America (see the Predictions thread) is more likely but either one could happen (or west Africa or other parts of Europe).
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Charlie90 on June 11, 2012, 09:44:28 PM
Paramaribo would be great.
Just because it's one of those places in America that you don't hear a lot about.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 11, 2012, 10:14:32 PM
Looks like we've got another safe team :)

@perthct #amazingrace #amst

(http://distilleryimage1.s3.amazonaws.com/0cb3ea10b3cc11e1a9f71231382044a1_7.jpg)

Dom, do you have the time that this was posted?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 12, 2012, 01:36:11 AM
Dom, do you have the time that this was posted?

I can't see the exact time, but it says 17 hours ago, so around 3-4pm Amsterdam time.

http://instagr.am/p/LvF3M7mjgZ/
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on June 12, 2012, 05:25:07 AM
for the last time, THERE IS NO LEG IN SINGAPORE

this is the most likely route

So believed route so far:

Leg 1: USA - China
Leg 2: China-Indonesia
Leg 3: Indonesia
Leg 4: Indonesia - Bangladesh
Leg 5: Bangladesh
Leg 6: Bangladesh - Turkey
Leg 7: Turkey-Russia
Leg 8: Russia
Leg 9: Russia - Netherlands

there was not enough time between Istanbul and Moscow sightings to have another Turkey leg
and filming in Russia seemed to be happening from the 8th-10th of June, which most likely means we have TWO legs there

and if teams were still in Russia on the 10th, then the Netherlands was most likely the leg straight after that

anyway, Leafsfan's route is what seems to be happening, so we could potentially have two more countries left before heading to the States  :tup:

also, I've forgotten who posted it (i think it was apskip), but races usually end on a Saturday or Sunday, and I'm guesstimating the race will end like this

10 June (Sunday) - start Leg 9 (speculated in Russia)
11 June (Monday) - Leg 9 raced in Netherlands
12 June (Tuesday) - teams depart Netherlands
13 June (Wednesday) - Leg 10 raced in ______
14 June (Thursday) - Leg 11 raced in ______
15 June (Friday) - extended Pit Stop, start Leg 12 late in day
16 June (Saturday) - final leg (Leg 12) raced

OR everything could be moved back a day if Leg 10 was raced on 12 June (particularly if it was in the region around the Netherlands)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on June 12, 2012, 08:28:37 AM
LOL is it cold in Netherlands?

And Chateau just wow at how you found that.
It's very cold here for the time of the year. Just about 12 degrees and a lot of rain :(
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 12, 2012, 09:29:41 AM
As far as we know, Russia was STILL active on June 10, so suspect they came in directly after 2 Russian legs.

Hard to believe a season without any new countries. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 12, 2012, 09:37:45 AM
TAR Days of the Week Finishes:

TAR13......April 22, 2008............Tuesday                               East to West                         Portland, Oregon
TAR14......Nov  21, 2008............Friday                                  West to East                         Maui, Hawaii
TAR15......Aug   6, 2009.............Thursday                              East to West                        Las Vegas, Nevada
TAR16......Dec  20, 2009............Sunday                                 West to East                        San Francisco, California
TAR17......June 15, 2010............Tuesday                                West to East                        Los Angeles, California
TAR18......Dec  13, 2010............Monday                                 East to West                        Miami,Florida
TAR19......July 10, 2011.............Sunday                                 East to West                        Atlanta, Georgia
TAR20......Dec 19, 2011.............Monday                                 West to East                        Oahu, Hawaii

TAR 21.....June ??, 2012............????????                                East to West                        ???????????????


General Trend of late has been to finsh the race on the start of the week........Sunday, Monday, or Tue. Destination or direction does not appear to have any affect.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 12, 2012, 11:13:55 AM
TAR Days of the Week Finishes:

TAR13......April 22, 2008............Tuesday                               East to West                         Portland, Oregon
TAR14......Nov  21, 2008............Friday                                  West to East                         Maui, Hawaii
TAR15......Aug   6, 2009.............Thursday                              East to West                        Las Vegas, Nevada
TAR16......Dec  20, 2009............Sunday                                 West to East                        San Francisco, California
TAR17......June 15, 2010............Tuesday                                West to East                        Los Angeles, California
TAR18......Dec  13, 2010............Monday                                 East to West                        Miami,Florida
TAR19......July 10, 2011.............Sunday                                 East to West                        Atlanta, Georgia
TAR20......Dec 19, 2011.............Monday                                 West to East                        Oahu, Hawaii

TAR 21.....June ??, 2012............????????                                East to West                        ???????????????


General Trend of late has been to finsh the race on the start of the week........Sunday, Monday, or Tue. Destination or direction does not appear to have any affect.

I guess it makes a huge differences how you do any analysis. For example, if you take only AR13 to ART20, you find as Dr. Rox indicates above that Sundays are 25% in that range of races. However, a more comprehensive analysis gives a much different picture of the days of the week for Amazing Race finishes:

AR1 4/8/01 Sunday
AR2 2/3/02 Sunday
AR3 7/7/02 Sunday
AR4 2/14/03 Thursday
AR5 2/27/04 Friday
AR6 7/12/04 Monday
AR7 12/19/04 Sunday
AR8 7/3/05 Sunday
AR9 12/3/05 Monday
AR10 6/24/06 Saturday
AR11 12/15/06 Sunday 
AR12 7/29/07 Sunday

Now when you combine the data for all 20 Amazing Races, you have 9/20 = 45% for Sunday, 1/20 = 5% for Saturday and the remaining 50% during weekdays. Conclude what you wish to from this information.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 12, 2012, 12:08:54 PM
I think we have to give more weight to the more recent seasons with the generally 12-leg format. We also need to consider (1) the day of the week a Race began filming, and (2) the total number of days for filming.

This season's filming began on a Saturday (local time). It does seem the filming this season has been particularly efficient, with less rest time than in some other seasons. A Friday finish would not be inconceivable to me. There's going to be disagreement about whether Amsterdam was leg 8, 9 or ten because of the incomplete information. That would also influence which day the Race might end. I suspect still that the travel from the 10th to the 11th leg is going to set up the travel for the final leg --  meaning the teams might have a long travel period to get to wherever the 11th leg is set so Phil does get ahead, and then allow Phil and the eliminated teams to get ahead of the final three teams for the final leg, So I think that the final leg this time will be between Friday and Sunday, it could set a surprise if filming ends on Thursday since it does not seem as if there was a huge amount of zig-zag this time around.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Heliox on June 12, 2012, 12:58:59 PM
So although my husband left Amsterdam on Saturday his colleagues had a run in with one of the teams, while they were biking. Unfortunately when they were asked if they knew Amsterdam they just kept riding past the team when they saw the cameras. I am trying to find out description of the team that asked them.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 12, 2012, 01:01:32 PM
So although my husband left Amsterdam on Saturday his colleagues had a run in with one of the teams, while they were biking. Unfortunately when they were asked if they knew Amsterdam they just kept riding past the team when they saw the cameras. I am trying to find out description of the team that asked them.

Thanks! Teams or colleagues were biking? Or both?

Poor hubby, so close....
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Heliox on June 12, 2012, 01:44:45 PM
I Know!! we watch TAR religiously and was hoping he would someday run into the teams.

Sorry, I wasn't clear, but the colleagues were biking and the team jumped out in front of them to ask directions. So it sounds like teams were on foot. My husband and his collegues' hotel is very close to where the teams were spotted near Central station. The conversation is going down in French on facebook and probably why no one has picked up on it here.
What I got from the last message was that the team was acting like 'typical tourists' and not watching for the bikers coming in their path. (she is obviously NOT a TAR fan).

Still waiting for a description of the team that they encountered.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 12, 2012, 01:54:15 PM
Daniel Greenberg ‏@danieleric17
Saw them filming Amazing Race yesterday on the streets of Amsterdam. I probably should try out.

nothing rgarding today

Daniel Greenberg ‏@danieleric17
@DomEL5 it was to big muscular guys running around in red shirts and bags with film crews in front and behind by the train station.

Sounds like the Chippendales to me!! We've seen them with red shirts and bags before!


Yes!  In Reta's pic 1 of Shangai Airport on May 29th.

If this is true, plus the pics of the other 3 teams (twins, farmers and Abby & unknown), there's (at least) one team missing to our sight.  No matter if Amsterdam is leg 8 or 9, there should be 5 teams racing.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 12, 2012, 03:15:05 PM
I think we have to give more weight to the more recent seasons with the generally 12-leg format. We also need to consider (1) the day of the week a Race began filming, and (2) the total number of days for filming.

This season's filming began on a Saturday (local time). It does seem the filming this season has been particularly efficient, with less rest time than in some other seasons. A Friday finish would not be inconceivable to me. There's going to be disagreement about whether Amsterdam was leg 8, 9 or ten because of the incomplete information. That would also influence which day the Race might end. I suspect still that the travel from the 10th to the 11th leg is going to set up the travel for the final leg --  meaning the teams might have a long travel period to get to wherever the 11th leg is set so Phil does get ahead, and then allow Phil and the eliminated teams to get ahead of the final three teams for the final leg, So I think that the final leg this time will be between Friday and Sunday, it could set a surprise if filming ends on Thursday since it does not seem as if there was a huge amount of zig-zag this time around.

Personally, I think you are jumping the gun. I think there are 1 or 2  long pit stops left.....36 hour ones. There was one in Indonesia. There is a lot of unaccounted time in this race so far. Might have been one in either Turkey or Moscow........so that would be something like this.

They were in:
Indonesia for     ~83 hours.........2 legs and 36 hour pit stop
Bangladesh for   ~ 71 hours
Turkey for          ~ 58 hours
Moscow for         ~ 72 or 75 hours, depending on flight connections going in and out             

Leg 1-China
Leg 2-Indonesia
Leg 3-Indonesia
        Long pit stop
Leg 4--Bangladesh
Leg 5--Bangladesh
Leg 6--Turkey
Leg 7--Moscow
     Long pit stop
Leg 8--Moscow
Leg 9--Amsterdam
      Long Pit Stop
Leg 10-Amsterdam II ?
Leg 11-Montreal?
Leg 12--Finale Philadephia?

If they did a Long Pit Stop in Turkey.........then probably another one after Leg 9.......thats the way it was last Race in India. Also a extra day Pit Stop in Tanzania.

I still see a Sunday finish......it is Father's Day and a lot of people will be busy with that and off the roads.......where
ever they end up.....traffic will be less in the finale city.  Places that WRP like to stage tasks will normally be closed.....so they can rent them cheaply.........Normal places that are businesses during the week, similiar to the Computer Graphics place in TAR16......the flight similator in TAR19.......I think even DC would be a lot slower than any other typical Sunday. I think there are a lot of reasons that BVM likes to finish the races on a Sunday if he can.

In the modern TAR age (since the great economic collapse) races are about 21-23 days of filming. Sunday will make 22 days.

I like Montreal for the Leg 11 destination. It has a charm about it and lots of other historical stuff near that TAR likes. It also has connections starting about 6 am to all the major East Coast cities.....if that is what TAR does this time. Boston, All 3 NYC airports, Philly, both airports in DC., Charlotte etc. Montreal would be similiar to Calgary in TAR5.......teams can clear US customs and immigration leaving Montreal and not have to mess with it at the destination. Anyway......just my two centavos.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 12, 2012, 03:20:21 PM
Can you run thru how you are getting those numbers please? For example Turkey?  Thanks!

I am doubtful of a second AMS leg though. ...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Topita on June 12, 2012, 03:25:56 PM
Can you run thru how you are getting those numbers please? For example Turkey?  Thanks!

I am doubtful of a second AMS leg though. ...
Sent some info about where they were spotted in Ams to Dom El.  :)
Might give rise to some interesting speculation about what address exactly they were looking for.  :lol3:

Has TAR ever returned to the same destination for two legs?

ps Peach been trying to send you a pm but it says your box is full.  :-[
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on June 12, 2012, 03:48:22 PM
I've been thinking about logistics of trying to follow teams if they fly into Boston for the final leg, and I agree Sunday would be a pain in the neck to track teams due to various obligations that day, including a graduation party for one person and a school dance for another.  Plus Father's Day stuff.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 12, 2012, 03:51:15 PM
Can you run thru how you are getting those numbers please? For example Turkey?  Thanks!

I am doubtful of a second AMS leg though. ...

I was just taking the arrival time of the speculated flights and departure time of speculated flghts......then figuring how many hours they were there. Certainly not higher mathematics, just arithmetic. Even with waiting till early morning starts for HD filming.....lots of time out there.

For Turkey, I used the direct flight from Dubai for arrival. For departure, I used both flights to Moscow to get a possible range. But those Aeroflot flights are a problem. One arrives, to me, way to early and the other arrives too late. I have been trying to find a connection that would split he difference for arrival in Moscow.....but so far, no joy.

Well that is why I put the question mark after AmsterdamII......lol I am a little nostalgic. I used to fly through Amsterdam to Montreal to Houston a lot.......a long time ago when I lived overseas. Back in those day, KLM was my airline of choice. I never flew TWA or PanAm. They got hijacked and blown up a lot. No one ever messed with the Dutch.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: stasf on June 12, 2012, 05:03:33 PM
I just remembered that the next amazing race is now shooting.
Can someone tell me please where have they been at this moment?
It is hard to find summary in forum.
-
And TAR have never visited Latvia, so if there is going to be some information - I will post it here.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 12, 2012, 05:21:59 PM
I am familiar with travel patterns, particularly across bridges and through tunnels, on Father's Day around the NYC metro area. No sane person would want to be in traffic this Sunday if they can avoid it. I have an event to attend in Manhattan and I am taking the train. I believe there will be heavy traffic around all major metropolitan areas in the U.S.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DallasGumby on June 12, 2012, 05:24:09 PM
Newbie here!

This may be meaningless, but there have been two tweets today about the Amazing Race in Norwegian.  Most recently:
Kneet mitt, buhu.. Kan si Amazing Race Stavern tok knekken på meg!

Which Google translator translates to:
My knee, buhu .. Can say Amazing Race Stavern took toll on me!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Topita on June 12, 2012, 05:36:48 PM
Well after talking it over with Dom, I'm putting this here too.
I'm pretty sure the spot where the contestants were seen was the Warmoesstraat in Amsterdam.
In fact it's right across a well known shop that's a popular spot for tourists too called the condomerie.

It's not far from the Central Station in the direction the teams were heading in fact. The red light district is very close to it so perhaps they were doing a challenge there?  :lol3:
The Warmoesstraat used to be quite notorious but it has been refurbished over the last years and there is some more interesting and trendy stuff to be found there nowadays in fact a.o.  trendy restaurants, some good pubs. It's one of the oldest streets of Amsterdam so there might be one or two historic spots they may be looking for (eg where the orphanage used to be as well as a cloister, ironically  :lol: ). If I am not mistaken there's also a buddhist temple in that area, closeby at Zeedijk.

The building with the star on it is in fact the main building for the biggest sorority / fraternity in the Netherlands (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASC/AVSV).  :)

Some caps from google to show.  :)

(http://i.imgur.com/iJztj.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/qSM2n.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/D1DXK.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ncZ5D.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/JIJDe.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/WPaj6.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 12, 2012, 05:41:26 PM
This shot was taken between 5:13 and 525 pm (assumes June 11).


(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-J9QAodM2fZs/T9ZXQ6V9piI/AAAAAAAAAMg/RCYdN30GKog/s640/blogger-image--844783959.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 12, 2012, 05:43:36 PM
So, from Dom's time on Natalie & Nadine's picture near the train station we can conclude that the girls are way ahead!   :wohoo:

(http://distilleryimage1.s3.amazonaws.com/0cb3ea10b3cc11e1a9f71231382044a1_7.jpg)

Quote
I can't see the exact time, but it says 17 hours ago, so around 3-4pm Amsterdam time.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DallasGumby on June 12, 2012, 05:48:45 PM
And, now a tweet in Turkish, at 5:39 p.m. Central, June 12:
Begum ‏@begumuncu

Amazing Race'de takimlar Litvanya Vilnus'a uctu ya ekrana gecmisi hatirlayip yapisan tek benimdir

I tried multiple translations of this, but the best I can come up with is:  Amazing Race, the teams flew to Vilnius in Lithuania, or screen, useful for eliminating single mine remembered Archive.

Which lends some credence to the possibility they flew Moscow to Vilnius, before Amsterdam.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on June 12, 2012, 05:52:12 PM
Newbie here!

This may be meaningless, but there have been two tweets today about the Amazing Race in Norwegian.  Most recently:
Kneet mitt, buhu.. Kan si Amazing Race Stavern tok knekken på meg!

Which Google translator translates to:
My knee, buhu .. Can say Amazing Race Stavern took toll on me!

 :welcome2:


There was an unrelated local Amazing-Race-style event in Oslo over the weekend. So it wasn't us.  I was bummed it's not our race though- it's another place I used to live, and love.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 12, 2012, 05:56:52 PM
I just remembered that the next amazing race is now shooting.
Can someone tell me please where have they been at this moment?
It is hard to find summary in forum.
-
And TAR have never visited Latvia, so if there is going to be some information - I will post it here.

The summary is here!! http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27196.0.html
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on June 12, 2012, 05:57:50 PM
I believe there will be heavy traffic around all major metropolitan areas in the U.S.

I agree.  Monday, on the other hand, is a special holiday in Boston.  :conf:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 12, 2012, 06:01:58 PM
And, now a tweet in Turkish, at 5:39 p.m. Central, June 12:
Begum ‏@begumuncu

Amazing Race'de takimlar Litvanya Vilnus'a uctu ya ekrana gecmisi hatirlayip yapisan tek benimdir

I tried multiple translations of this, but the best I can come up with is:  Amazing Race, the teams flew to Vilnius in Lithuania, or screen, useful for eliminating single mine remembered Archive.

Which lends some credence to the possibility they flew Moscow to Vilnius, before Amsterdam.

 :welcome: to RFF, DallasTARDad!!

OR they could just be watching TAR 12.... it is SO hard to know! :lol: We need a Turkish translator!

Anyway, you can put new tweets right in the LIVE thread as well! :waves:
 
Thanks!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 12, 2012, 06:04:02 PM
I've been thinking about logistics of trying to follow teams if they fly into Boston for the final leg, and I agree Sunday would be a pain in the neck to track teams due to various obligations that day, including a graduation party for one person and a school dance for another.  Plus Father's Day stuff.

Forget about it. If they come there, you're our girl!! :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 12, 2012, 06:05:18 PM
I'm pretty sure the spot where the contestants were seen was the Warmoesstraat in Amsterdam.
In fact it's right across a well known shop that's a popular spot for tourists too called the condomerie.


AWESOME Topika!!  :tu
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 12, 2012, 06:07:01 PM
So, from Dom's time on Natalie & Nadine's picture near the train station we can conclude that the girls are way ahead!   :wohoo:


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I can't see the exact time, but it says 17 hours ago, so around 3-4pm Amsterdam time.

Ahh...but is that the time the picture was TAKEN or the time it was POSTED?? Could be a BIG difference!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 12, 2012, 07:28:30 PM
If the picture was taken earlier then the girls would be even further ahead.   :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Topita on June 13, 2012, 02:30:39 AM
@Peach, You're welcome!  :)

The girls are running in the opposite direction though.
So I'm not sure if the other team was lost or whether the girls were going elsewhere first/ running around to find the cluebox/ going the wrong way.

The distances are easy to do by foot though so if they didn't head the wrong way for too long that shouldn't have mattered much and a big time difference can definitely make a lot of difference in this case.  :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 13, 2012, 09:21:26 AM
-mxn- post:

I've got always a two hours difference in my posts on the forum with the hour here; so its almost 4.20pm. in Spain - Palma and Madrid have the same hour -; so if something is happening there - according to that tweet -, it's in this right moment.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 13, 2012, 09:36:02 AM
The Madrid tweet was posted 11 hours ago. It was posted about 5:26 am Madrid time.........which fits with the message. He was getting up early to go to work.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 13, 2012, 09:42:56 AM
The Madrid tweet was posted 11 hours ago. It was posted about 5:26 am Madrid time.........which fits with the message. He was getting up early to go to work.

Yes, my mistake.  I always forget that Twitter show me the post with my local hour  :gaah:.  But the rest of my post remains correct.  I've got a five hours difference with Spain (seven with the Forum time), so - as I said - if something is happening is right now.

(BTW, anything that matches with this in the transportation area - I know the answer would be in the Transportation thread, but is always good to ask to an expert -?)  :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 13, 2012, 12:02:33 PM
Mallorca looks quite real. Bullfighting?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on June 13, 2012, 12:03:06 PM
Hopefully it will be.

But bull fighting, please not.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 13, 2012, 12:26:23 PM
Mallorca looks quite real. Bullfighting?

Palma has a bullring named Coliseo balear in spanish (Balearic Colliseum)
Here's a pic of it and the location:

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/4992891760_265bc61771.jpg)

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/dataAy5GWBeob_WIPLDYoIWcfVXxvZu9XwJ55OX7AgyHmSvLDCXZfLfKsHNTptt03JETw7oEc0SPSvR8TkYYVL42ageNvvOQ-ISJRLMHtfuFW607N4H2yT_ym6KSNWSKadTolGP2.gif)


Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Boingo on June 13, 2012, 12:33:44 PM

 :umn:  Interesting that "strong tower" translates to "torre fuerte" in Spanish.  Googling that and Mallorca brings up a lot of generic ref. to "castles".  Since TAR loves castles as locations, could be worth looking into castles on Mallorca.   :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 13, 2012, 12:37:23 PM
@czarinaKTA
Amazing Race project in Baillie's!

-------------------------------

Baillie´s gardens are a company in Majorca!

12:19 CT/US

I guess we should dismiss this one as there are more Baillie's-everything in the States and she doesn't seem to be in Spain.

There's a "Jonathan Baillie Gardens", but is based not in Mallorca, it's in Menorca, another of the island of the Baleares.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Boingo on June 13, 2012, 12:38:12 PM
@Peach, You're welcome!  :)

The girls are running in the opposite direction though.
So I'm not sure if the other team was lost or whether the girls were going elsewhere first/ running around to find the cluebox/ going the wrong way.

The distances are easy to do by foot though so if they didn't head the wrong way for too long that shouldn't have mattered much and a big time difference can definitely make a lot of difference in this case.  :)

Don't forget, the teams are on different sides of the same street.  They may just be going to where they can cross the street (assuming they are all going to the clue box at train station).  Let's not make too much out of this.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 13, 2012, 12:42:39 PM
Is all they can come up with for Spain something to do with bull fighting? Surely they won't do real bullfighting though...

And nevermind the strong tower thing
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 13, 2012, 12:49:55 PM
@czarinaKTA
Amazing Race project in Baillie's!

-------------------------------

Baillie´s gardens are a company in Majorca!

12:19 CT/US

I guess we should dismiss this one as there are more Baillie's-everything in the States and she doesn't seem to be in Spain.

There's a "Jonathan Baillie Gardens", but is based not in Mallorca, it's in Menorca, another of the island of the Baleares.

it's a gardening company.
http://balearics.angloinfo.com/afdetail.asp?Rec=7123

Jonathan Baillie Gardens

Description:
All aspects of garden design, maintenance and construction. Based in Menorca.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Heliox on June 13, 2012, 01:09:26 PM
As a follow up from Amsterdam, my husband's co-worker said she saw a small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man. She did not see any other team member amidst a large crowd. But she did say that there were no Chippendales or she would have definitely stopped  :lol3:
I believe that was on Sunday when they first were sighted.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 13, 2012, 01:22:53 PM
Palma de Mallorca PMI airport doesn't show any direct flights to America. The most likely connecting points should be Barcelona, Madrid and London in that order, so the airports to watch, other than PMI, are BCN El Prat, MAD Barajas, LHR Heathrow and LGW Gatwick.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DallasGumby on June 13, 2012, 01:41:38 PM
Palma de Mallorca PMI airport doesn't show any direct flights to America. The most likely connecting points should be Barcelona, Madrid and London in that order, so the airports to watch, other than PMI, are BCN El Prat, MAD Barajas, LHR Heathrow and LGW Gatwick.
I would add Dublin to the list.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: guacamole300 on June 13, 2012, 01:47:06 PM
I'm a native Spanish speaker, so any help with translations, I would gladly help
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on June 13, 2012, 01:48:16 PM
As a follow up from Amsterdam, my husband's co-worker said she saw a small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man. She did not see any other team member amidst a large crowd. But she did say that there were no Chippendales or she would have definitely stopped  :lol3:
I believe that was on Sunday when they first were sighted.

Maybe it's because I want it to be, but the only female racer we have that I would call on the small side is Lexi. This could easily have been someone hired to be part of a task though.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 13, 2012, 02:56:23 PM
I'm a native Spanish speaker, so any help with translations, I would gladly help

This is a call to all Spanish and Catalan speakers. TIME to broaden searches as well as our Chinese speaking friends do. Think of all terms possible, like camarógrafos corriendo and such. Look also under Internet domains like .es and Spanish social networks.



Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 13, 2012, 03:07:55 PM
Daniel Greenberg ‏@danieleric17
Saw them filming Amazing Race yesterday on the streets of Amsterdam. I probably should try out.

nothing rgarding today

Daniel Greenberg ‏@danieleric17
@DomEL5 it was to big muscular guys running around in red shirts and bags with film crews in front and behind by the train station.

Sounds like the Chippendales to me!! We've seen them with red shirts and bags before!


Yes!  In Reta's pic 1 of Shangai Airport on May 29th.

If this is true, plus the pics of the other 3 teams (twins, farmers and Abby & unknown), there's (at least) one team missing to our sight.  No matter if Amsterdam is leg 8 or 9, there should be 5 teams racing.

As a follow up from Amsterdam, my husband's co-worker said she saw a small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man. She did not see any other team member amidst a large crowd. But she did say that there were no Chippendales or she would have definitely stopped  :lol3:
I believe that was on Sunday when they first were sighted.

Maybe it's because I want it to be, but the only female racer we have that I would call on the small side is Lexi. This could easily have been someone hired to be part of a task though.

And if it is right, that makes the five teams I was talking about.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 13, 2012, 03:37:49 PM
What is really interesting is that the small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man were spotted on Sunday and all the other teams were spotted on Monday afternoon.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 13, 2012, 03:41:16 PM
What is really interesting is that the small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man were spotted on Sunday and all the other teams were spotted on Monday afternoon.

I know that WRP likes to level all teams along the way, but could this be a team taking advantage because of a previous FF?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Ikurriña on June 13, 2012, 04:01:23 PM
I'm from Spain, so if you want help in Spanish here i am.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on June 13, 2012, 04:09:58 PM
What is really interesting is that the small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man were spotted on Sunday and all the other teams were spotted on Monday afternoon.

I know that WRP likes to level all teams along the way, but could this be a team taking advantage because of a previous FF?

The most likely answer here is that the co-worker spotted something else that day. Though you never really know.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 13, 2012, 04:28:20 PM
What is really interesting is that the small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man were spotted on Sunday and all the other teams were spotted on Monday afternoon.

I know that WRP likes to level all teams along the way, but could this be a team taking advantage because of a previous FF?

The most likely answer here is that the co-worker spotted something else that day. Though you never really know.

That is a logical answer (why didn't I think about it?  :gaah:).  But is not the first time that a team has a long time difference with the rest of the pack (for example: Colin & Christie in TAR5 or Charla & Mirna in TAR11).  So everything is possible.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: bcp19 on June 13, 2012, 04:29:38 PM
I'm from Spain, so if you want help in Spanish here i am.
:bigwelcome

Any and all help is appreciated!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 13, 2012, 05:06:15 PM
What is really interesting is that the small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man were spotted on Sunday and all the other teams were spotted on Monday afternoon.

I know that WRP likes to level all teams along the way, but could this be a team taking advantage because of a previous FF?

The most likely answer here is that the co-worker spotted something else that day. Though you never really know.

That is a logical answer (why didn't I think about it?  :gaah:).  But is not the first time that a team has a long time difference with the rest of the pack (for example: Colin & Christie in TAR5 or Charla & Mirna in TAR11).  So everything is possible.

Well this hasn't yet been proven to be a team. However if it is not there are a lot of strange coincidences...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Topita on June 14, 2012, 05:20:22 AM
Don't forget, the teams are on different sides of the same street.  They may just be going to where they can cross the street (assuming they are all going to the clue box at train station).  Let's not make too much out of this.  :lol:
They might have been but it's not very logical because the general crossing is right in front of the station where the trams are facing towards in fact. Mind you the whole place has been a mess since ages due to the building of a metro line.

Like I said it might mean nothing at all, perhaps they were snapped looking for a clue and there's another crossing that would lead them around in the right direction in the way they are heading (they have to cross the water you see). I just wanted to point out that they were going in the opposite direction of where they should be heading if the team that was snapped in the Warmoesstraat is in fact in the right direction. As said though, some snap shots with apparently a large time frame between them don't tell us much of a story yet.  ;)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Heliox on June 14, 2012, 12:45:18 PM
What is really interesting is that the small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man were spotted on Sunday and all the other teams were spotted on Monday afternoon.
Sorry, that is the time difference that I miscalculated.. Monday there still Sunday here. That was not her talking about the day that she saw them, it was my reference.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 14, 2012, 01:17:51 PM
What is really interesting is that the small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man were spotted on Sunday and all the other teams were spotted on Monday afternoon.
Sorry, that is the time difference that I miscalculated.. Monday there still Sunday here. That was not her talking about the day that she saw them, it was my reference.

So then we have the five teams spotted the same day:  Abby & unknown, Chippendales, Farmers, Sri Lanka twins and Lexie & Trey.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on June 14, 2012, 01:24:38 PM
What is really interesting is that the small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man were spotted on Sunday and all the other teams were spotted on Monday afternoon.
Sorry, that is the time difference that I miscalculated.. Monday there still Sunday here. That was not her talking about the day that she saw them, it was my reference.

So then we have the five teams spotted the same day:  Abby & unknown, Chippendales, Farmers, Sri Lanka twins and Lexie & Trey.

We still don't know who the short girl was, though I don't see any other female racer that fits that description. For now we only know of 4 teams.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 14, 2012, 01:33:43 PM
What is really interesting is that the small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man were spotted on Sunday and all the other teams were spotted on Monday afternoon.
Sorry, that is the time difference that I miscalculated.. Monday there still Sunday here. That was not her talking about the day that she saw them, it was my reference.

So then we have the five teams spotted the same day:  Abby & unknown, Chippendales, Farmers, Sri Lanka twins and Lexie & Trey.

We still don't know who the short girl was, though I don't see any other female racer that fits that description. For now we only know of 4 teams.

There was another tweet today about Mallorca, so let's hope we can have more info about this.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Charlie90 on June 14, 2012, 08:08:02 PM
So if we get a new country is either in Leg 8 or Leg 11 right??
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selkie on June 14, 2012, 10:20:00 PM
One note on Boston is that sunset is about 8:30pm this time of year.

I can't remember if TAR has gone through Andorra yet. In not, it's not that far away from Barcelona if Spain is in play.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 14, 2012, 11:52:55 PM
Sunset in some places in the U.S., depending on where the location is relative to latitude and a time zone boundary, can be as late as 10 pm local time during these next two weeks. And sunrise can be before 4:00 a.m, local time, depending on the location relative to latitude and the time zone boundary.

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Charlie90 on June 15, 2012, 02:45:47 AM
Maybe Dominican Republic for Leg 11? There are direct flights from Madrid to there..
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selkie on June 15, 2012, 10:24:32 AM
Given that we are so close to the summer solstice, production does have a lot of daylight to play with if they're going with a higher latitude city like Boston or Detroit as a final destination. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jobby on June 15, 2012, 10:32:52 AM
Looks like we've got another safe team :)

@perthct #amazingrace #amst

(http://distilleryimage1.s3.amazonaws.com/0cb3ea10b3cc11e1a9f71231382044a1_7.jpg)

Amsterdam Central station! THOSE TRAMS BEHIND!!!!!! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. )-**
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 15, 2012, 11:18:32 AM
Cierra Cannaley ‏@THEcheerio
saw the filming of amazing race today at one of the chateau's we visited ! :D

requested more information

seems to be traveling in France 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 15, 2012, 12:14:58 PM
“@ChristinaMingie: On Elgin waiting for the Amazing Race CBS-style to start. Gonna be an awesome afternoon!” i found the option lol

This one is in Ottawa - pretty sure they aren't there right now.

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 15, 2012, 12:15:35 PM
The major chateaux visited in France by tourists are not in Normandy. They are in the Loire Valley.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Heliox on June 15, 2012, 12:23:17 PM
What is really interesting is that the small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man were spotted on Sunday and all the other teams were spotted on Monday afternoon.
Sorry, that is the time difference that I miscalculated.. Monday there still Sunday here. That was not her talking about the day that she saw them, it was my reference.

So then we have the five teams spotted the same day:  Abby & unknown, Chippendales, Farmers, Sri Lanka twins and Lexie & Trey.

We still don't know who the short girl was, though I don't see any other female racer that fits that description. For now we only know of 4 teams.

Ya I wish I could have gotten more of a description of the female she saw, but she has since moved on in her travels and that is all she gave us. But if any of the racers fit that description I would say it would be Lexie as well. But the description is just to vague to be positive.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 15, 2012, 12:24:18 PM
With the eleventh leg in France yesterday or today it seems that the tradition of the weekend finale will hold true. Keep your eyes peeled tomorrow everyone! :eye:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 15, 2012, 12:26:37 PM
What is really interesting is that the small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man were spotted on Sunday and all the other teams were spotted on Monday afternoon.
Sorry, that is the time difference that I miscalculated.. Monday there still Sunday here. That was not her talking about the day that she saw them, it was my reference.

So then we have the five teams spotted the same day:  Abby & unknown, Chippendales, Farmers, Sri Lanka twins and Lexie & Trey.

We still don't know who the short girl was, though I don't see any other female racer that fits that description. For now we only know of 4 teams.

Ya I wish I could have gotten more of a description of the female she saw, but she has since moved on in her travels and that is all she gave us. But if any of the racers fit that description I would say it would be Lexie as well. But the description is just to vague to be positive.

It is helpful, because as long as the female was racer then team Michigan and the hippies survived the first three legs but did not make it to the top 5, narrowing down the time where they were eliminated.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on June 15, 2012, 12:28:39 PM
Michigan team :'(

Hopefully at least the finale will be in Detroit! (If they were in it, they would've had a huge advantage, because they would know the area. Traffic/construction here is a mess...)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on June 15, 2012, 12:47:02 PM
I speculate the the Amsterdam Leg is a NEL because there was 4 teams in what is believed to be leg 10.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 15, 2012, 12:48:11 PM
Well that tweeter had a photo of Mont Saint Michel.........such a proto-typical TAR type of location. The Tour de France has even used it to start a race stage every now and then. It is a very famous chateau.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on June 15, 2012, 01:35:40 PM
Well that tweeter had a photo of Mont Saint Michel.........such a proto-typical TAR type of location. The Tour de France has even used it to start a race stage every now and then. It is a very famous chateau.

Mont Saint Michel is beautiful. I've been there, and they could get some really great shots if they went there.

There's a lot of tourists, but they could still do things like making the famous pancakes.

I even designed a leg there in Cocoa's TAR Design Challenge 2. :lol: Actually, it's my favorite leg I have ever designed :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 15, 2012, 01:57:55 PM
Is that Nadine & Natalie, Trey & Lexy and one of the Chippendales in that Instagram photo? We need to find this location!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 15, 2012, 01:59:42 PM
Is that Nadine & Natalie, Trey & Lexy and one of the Chippendales in that Instagram photo? We need to find this location!

I think it is those teams which means either Abby or the farmers were eliminated in Spain. The blonde is Lexy not Abby because she has Lexy's light blue Nikes.

And the spotter posted pix of the Eiffel tower yesterday.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 15, 2012, 02:13:55 PM
Still working on location.

Note the 2 Ford Escapes in the top left.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Oliveira on June 15, 2012, 02:14:20 PM
Looks like the Sri Lanka sisters are taking their bags out of the car, so they are at least second at this point.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 15, 2012, 02:16:25 PM
It looks to me like the Bois de Boulogne in Paris.

I am checking the -camping area- of the Bois de Boulogne, there are some similarities.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: topaz on June 15, 2012, 03:34:29 PM
Are they're racing in Paris, France right now before going to the final leg?  Hopefully they should go to Luxembourg as the new country to visit and we've never heard any new one for this season. :'(
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: topaz on June 15, 2012, 03:39:43 PM
Looks like the Sri Lanka sisters are taking their bags out of the car, so they are at least second at this point.
Are they're the ONLY all female team left on that leg right now?  Hopefully they'll won't get eliminated and win the million dollars as the 3rd FF team to win it!  And if so, they should donate their money to their people in Sri Lanka who'd suffered from years of civil war. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 15, 2012, 03:45:21 PM
topaz,

Good theory but obviously World Race Productions does not subscribe to it or we would not have only a minor possibility almost into the final leg. However, there is some hope. Trains from Paris-Gare de L'est reach Luxembourg in 4 hours. The departure schedule looks like this (F=Friday, S=Saturday, Su =Sunday):

0652 F
0753 SSu
1048 S
1347 FSSu
1753 FSSu
1951 FSSu

There is a cargo/charter airline with flights to NYC, Houston and Seattle butt that would not apply. Otherwise almost all flights from Luxembourg are to other large European cities.

Luxembourg has its own international airport for the trip to the U.S.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 15, 2012, 04:02:42 PM
What is really interesting is that the small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man were spotted on Sunday and all the other teams were spotted on Monday afternoon.
Sorry, that is the time difference that I miscalculated.. Monday there still Sunday here. That was not her talking about the day that she saw them, it was my reference.

So then we have the five teams spotted the same day:  Abby & unknown, Chippendales, Farmers, Sri Lanka twins and Lexie & Trey.

We still don't know who the short girl was, though I don't see any other female racer that fits that description. For now we only know of 4 teams.

There was another tweet today about Mallorca, so let's hope we can have more info about this.

It was Lexie.  :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on June 15, 2012, 04:04:51 PM
What is really interesting is that the small(ish) lost and distressed 'girl', as she described, with a camera man were spotted on Sunday and all the other teams were spotted on Monday afternoon.
Sorry, that is the time difference that I miscalculated.. Monday there still Sunday here. That was not her talking about the day that she saw them, it was my reference.

So then we have the five teams spotted the same day:  Abby & unknown, Chippendales, Farmers, Sri Lanka twins and Lexie & Trey.

We still don't know who the short girl was, though I don't see any other female racer that fits that description. For now we only know of 4 teams.

There was another tweet today about Mallorca, so let's hope we can have more info about this.

It was Lexie.  :yess:

And you can only guess how happy I am!  :yess: :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on June 15, 2012, 04:14:49 PM
So final route:

Leg 1: USA - China
Leg 2: China - Indonesia
Leg 3: Indonesia
Leg 4: Indonesia - Bangladesh
Leg 5: Bangladesh
Leg 6: Bangladesh  - Turkey
Leg 7: Turkey - Russia
Leg 8: Russia
Leg 9: Russia - Netherlands
Leg 10: Netherlands - Spain
Leg 11: Spain - France
Leg 12: France - USA?

Is it just me or does it seem odd to go from Netherlands to Spain and back up to France again?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 15, 2012, 04:20:45 PM
Is it just me or does it seem odd to go from Netherlands to Spain and back up to France again?

Doesn't seem odd to me. What they achieved was to keep France well away from our radars. :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 15, 2012, 04:22:10 PM
Is that Nadine & Natalie, Trey & Lexy and one of the Chippendales in that Instagram photo? We need to find this location!

I think it is those teams which means either Abby or the farmers were eliminated in Spain. The blonde is Lexy not Abby because she has Lexy's light blue Nikes.

And the spotter posted pix of the Eiffel tower yesterday.

And she's dressed with the same outfit than in Shangai Airport (check on Reta's pics).
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on June 15, 2012, 04:23:14 PM
So final route:

Leg 1: USA - China
Leg 2: China - Indonesia
Leg 3: Indonesia
Leg 4: Indonesia - Bangladesh
Leg 5: Bangladesh
Leg 6: Bangladesh  - Turkey
Leg 7: Turkey - Russia
Leg 8: Russia
Leg 9: Russia - Netherlands
Leg 10: Netherlands - Spain
Leg 11: Spain - France
Leg 12: France - USA?

Is it just me or does it seem odd to go from Netherlands to Spain and back up to France again?

It doesn't always have to make exact geographical sense. Europe is so small anyway, it would barely make a dent financially. S17 saw us go UK > Ghana > Sweden and S12 saw Ireland > Burkina Faso > Lithuania > Croatia which are hugely more expensive detours.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on June 15, 2012, 04:36:54 PM
Is it just me or does it seem odd to go from Netherlands to Spain and back up to France again?

Remember in recent seasons that TAR like to visit a country with a direct flight to the final city in the penultimate leg? That is why I think we have a strange route where Paris may have a better direct flight than Spain.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: milanissimo on June 15, 2012, 04:53:01 PM
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=27203.0;attach=197491;image)
I think the men  behind Trey and Laxie    isn't a Chippendale........too short to be him ....
And who is that  woman  ??
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: milanissimo on June 15, 2012, 04:59:04 PM
And they have  bigger backpacks  :tup: :tup:
(https://p.twimg.com/At4noCkCAAAIfmZ.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on June 15, 2012, 05:12:11 PM
And they have  bigger backpacks  :tup: :tup:
(https://p.twimg.com/At4noCkCAAAIfmZ.jpg)

I think the bag and high match to up James pretty good, though you are right that Jaymes has a bigger bag.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 15, 2012, 05:53:04 PM
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=27203.0;attach=197491;image)
I think the men  behind Trey and Laxie    isn't a Chippendale........too short to be him ....
And who is that  woman  ??

Somebody helping them with directions, maybe.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 15, 2012, 06:21:48 PM
I lightened this one up a little:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 15, 2012, 06:27:53 PM
Is that Nadine & Natalie, Trey & Lexy and one of the Chippendales in that Instagram photo? We need to find this location!

I think it is those teams which means either Abby or the farmers were eliminated in Spain. The blonde is Lexy not Abby because she has Lexy's light blue Nikes.


I think that is a big jump.
 
If this is leg 11, there should be 4 teams, so one is not seen here. Whether that is the first or last one at the moment of the pic...is unknown.
 
ALSO, at this stage, there may well be a decoy team involved.
 
And backpack size may be substantially changed as teams lighten up towards the end....
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: tarobbsessed24 on June 15, 2012, 06:34:32 PM
wait, are there no new countries!?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DallasGumby on June 15, 2012, 06:36:04 PM
ALSO, at this stage, there may well be a decoy team involved.
 
Haven't they been known to run as many as 3 decoy teams to the end?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 15, 2012, 06:36:57 PM
I think all those tweeters, that saw the teams today, are all from the same church youth group from West Virgina. One of the girls in the group has the GPS turned on her phone. It gave their location today as Chinon, France....which is not far from Le Mans Nantes........southwest of Paris. And as apskip said.....it is in the Loire Valley.

Could be the Chateau de Chinon Château De Chenonceau
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 15, 2012, 06:40:19 PM
wait, are there no new countries!?!?!?!?!

Unless Java, European Istanbul and the Balearic Islands declare their independence, no. :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 15, 2012, 06:45:16 PM
It gave their location today as Chinon, France....which is not far from Le Mans Nantes........southwest of Paris. And as apskip said.....it is in the Loire Valley.

Le Mans famous race is tomorrow... And we have seen Ford's product placement... What do you think?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 15, 2012, 06:47:20 PM
I think all those tweeters, that saw the teams today, are all from the same church youth group from West Virgina. One of the girls in the group has the GPS turned on her phone. It gave their location today as Chinon, France....which is not far from Le Mans Nantes........southwest of Paris. And as apskip said.....it is in the Loire Valley.

the person who tweeted this....

Cierra Cannaley ‏@THEcheerio
saw the filming of amazing race today at one of the chateau's we visited !

is from Indiana.  according to her facebook page.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on June 15, 2012, 06:50:09 PM
ALSO, at this stage, there may well be a decoy team involved.
 
Haven't they been known to run as many as 3 decoy teams to the end?

Which brings up the question, where are the camera and sound guys in these shots? Maybe they are decoy teams, and shouldn't be presumed safe at all.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Tarfan37 on June 15, 2012, 06:50:57 PM
do we have any ideas on what time the teams checkin in at last leg? cuz i'm trying to see if i could find flights that would make sense. I Got A few to NYC and Chicago (if thts a true location i might be of further service)

EDIT are they in paris?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on June 15, 2012, 06:56:17 PM
Is it likely to have a shortened Pit Stop like last season?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 15, 2012, 07:17:31 PM
I was talking about

@rackcity_mitch

It was one of the girls that is exchanging tweets with him.......with her GPS turned on. Alli
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: balfour on June 15, 2012, 07:41:07 PM
That area of france is chateau country! So many of them around!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 15, 2012, 07:45:35 PM


If that is two decoy teams.......who is the second team. Is it a M/F team or a M/M team. I can't really tell. I does look like the one in front has a pony tail, but also could be something dark in the backgound and just a lucky shot. Could the "second team" be the cameraman and soundman?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 15, 2012, 08:13:59 PM


If that is two decoy teams.......who is the second team. Is it a M/F team or a M/M team. I can't really tell. I does look like the one in front has a pony tail, but also could be something dark in the backgound and just a lucky shot. Could the "second team" be the cameraman and soundman?

I think there's one of the Shangai leg's picture when we can see one of the crew member - I guess is a soundman - with a red backpack; but I'm not sure if it's the same kind the man in the pic carries.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on June 15, 2012, 09:07:10 PM
I've thought about it, and it does seem the Sri Lankan sisters are racing still. And if the other teams were taken here at the same time, they should be racing to, as they probably keep the decoys away from the actual racing teams.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 15, 2012, 09:13:35 PM
I think that assuming that they are all decoys is over thinking a bit. We talk about decoys every season but I can't remember any of the pictures that come up ever turning out to be a decoy team.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 15, 2012, 09:43:22 PM
There is a resort with "TAR-like" activities in Normandie, right in the heart of the area we have been pointed to, called Le Bois-Francs, it is operated by CenterParcs. http://www.centerparcs.fr Can any GPS info lead us here?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 15, 2012, 09:56:11 PM
The author of the tweet and this photo was nice enough to respond back to me.
The photo was taken at Château de Chenonceau ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Chenonceau) just west of Tours
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb365/walkingpneumonia/Chateau_de_Chenonceau.jpg)
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb365/walkingpneumonia/SMChateau_de_Chenonceau.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 15, 2012, 10:28:24 PM
This is where the bottom pic at Chenonceaux (Chateau de Chenonceau) was taken:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 15, 2012, 10:29:54 PM
Exactly here:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on June 15, 2012, 10:34:52 PM
I think that the teams were headed from Chenonceau to Normandy. 

The first tweet from France which mentions the Amazing Race filming was about 6 hours before the Chenonceau tweet, but her last apparent location was Mont Saint Michel.  Of course, our first tweeter may have been somewhere else, even Chenonceau.  But given the route so far, it seemed strange for the second tweet to be coming from several hours south of the last known spot of the first tweeter.  So, I think that first tweeter may have seen Phil doing his stand-ups.

There is a lovely chateau and hot-air balloon museum in Normandy about an hour and a half from Mont Saint Michel called Chateau Balleroy, and a notice on their website roughly translates to "Exceptional closing of chateau Friday, June 15 16h to 14h Monday, June 18. The museum balloons and park remain open." If I am reading twitter times correctly, the first tweet comes shortly after that closure.  Given the time frame of the closure, if they were headed there, I think it is a pit stop.  I doubt they will be there that long, but they may have booked some wiggle room. 

Chances are it's closed for a completely unrelated event, but it sure looks like a place the race would use.



Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 15, 2012, 10:35:38 PM
Thanks Breahana!! :hearts:

Good job WP! And oooh, nice one Xarles! Was looking for that!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Tarfan37 on June 15, 2012, 10:46:58 PM
so no ideas on where they are heading? because i could try to go to chicago if needed
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 15, 2012, 10:47:59 PM
I think Iknow what the Teams are going to do at Chenonceau   :lol:    :tup:  (Peach's idea   :<3 )

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/25840470.jpg)

Panoramio (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/25840470?source=wapi&referrer=kh.google.com)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 15, 2012, 10:50:02 PM
I think that the teams were headed from Chenonceau to Normandy. 

The first tweet from France which mentions the Amazing Race filming was about 6 hours before the Chenonceau tweet, but her last apparent location was Mont Saint Michel.  Of course, our first tweeter may have been somewhere else, even Chenonceau.  But given the route so far, it seemed strange for the second tweet to be coming from several hours south of the last known spot of the first tweeter.  So, I think that first tweeter may have seen Phil doing his stand-ups.

There is a lovely chateau and hot-air balloon museum in Normandy about an hour and a half from Mont Saint Michel called Chateau Balleroy, and a notice on their website roughly translates to "Exceptional closing of chateau Friday, June 15 16h to 14h Monday, June 18. The museum balloons and park remain open." If I am reading twitter times correctly, the first tweet comes shortly after that closure.  Given the time frame of the closure, if they were headed there, I think it is a pit stop.  I doubt they will be there that long, but they may have booked some wiggle room. 

Chances are it's closed for a completely unrelated event, but it sure looks like a place the race would use.





Thanks Jen!


I love the Balleroy idea, just not sure why they would need to be closed so long? ???

And it doesn't seem to work Chenonceau to Balleroy ...taking them further from CDG when we are expecting a departure soon.

But I could maybe see them driving AMS to Normandy, and Normandy to Loire....IF Balleroy has anything to do with us.

Clearly we have to closely look at the times.

The first poster was in Mont St Michel the day before.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 15, 2012, 10:52:55 PM
There you go Chateau! That labyrinth looks just perfect! :hoot:

If there are going to be sightings at CDG, lets all be ready as they might begin at 2:30 AM ET/US, about two and a half hours from now.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 15, 2012, 10:55:55 PM
There you go Chateau! That labyrinth looks just perfect! :hoot:

Smells like a perfect RB place.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 15, 2012, 11:21:35 PM
Ibiza to Mallorca by ferry?? We need to look! It will be important to know WHEN he was there, to see which comes first! Ibiza or Mallorca?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 15, 2012, 11:38:56 PM
Ibiza to Mallorca by ferry?? We need to look!

There is one possibility so far to do Majorca-Ibiza in a single day (mid-week) :

VIAJE DE IDA
MALLORCA >> IBIZA    20 de Junio de 2012

08h00    10h00
PALMA    IBIZA

VIAJE DE VUELTA
IBIZA >> MALLORCA    20 de Junio de 2012

20h00    22h00
IBIZA    PALMA

This is with http://www.balearia.com

This is the "light and fast" passenger ferry. Other ones take up to 4 hours to get from one island to the other.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 15, 2012, 11:46:33 PM
As a one-time active aeronaut, I can offer some insights about the Chateau de Balleroy. http://www.chateau-balleroy.com/?lang=en The property was purchased by Forbes, Inc. during the lifetime of the late Malcolm Forbes, and was the base of much of his activity in both hot air and gas balloons. (He set some world ballooning records, btw) There are still major ballooning events held there, as I recall.

It has also been used for world gas and hot air ballooning championships. An annual event was held there for thirty years, but ended in 1999 after Malcolm's death.

TAR has had only one prior task involving ballooning (TAR Family Edition), but this would be the time of year to try for a task related to ballooning (even if it is just having teams go up on a tethered balloon up to an altitude to spot the location for the next route marker clue or task. Untethered hot air balloon "free' flights are flown in the two hours or so after dawn or the two hours or so before sunset as long as surface winds are at 10 mph or lower, and there are no thunderstorms in the vicinity. Tethered flights, which have a tether rope tied (or held down to the ground) can take place as long as the winds stay low enough or are calm.)

If the maze is on the Chateau property, then a task with both almost jumps out at you. And the fact that the Chateau is closed at exactly this time? Well, let's just say I don't believe in coincidences. :) It may not be, but I would not be surprised if it is.....
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 16, 2012, 12:09:52 AM
As a former Cultural Ambassador for Mexico at the Mexican Pavilion in EPCOT Center (WDW FL), many times I had to substitute for my friends in other pavilions when we were short of cast members, so I had to pretend to be from another country.

Many, many times I had to work overtime in the French Pavilion and had to "pghetend sat I vas Fghench" and to explain about these beautiful places which we have been talking about, and which years later I had the opportunity to visit.

The French Pavilion shows a short movie "Impressions de France"where the Chateau de Chenonceau, the hot air ballooning and Mont Saint Michel show up. Maybe WRP got inspired there.

Here's the movie http://youtu.be/dF3ADQndBGM

Chateau de Chenonceau comes up at 3'00
Balloons come up at 8'30
Mont Saint Michel comes up at 12'15

Enjoy!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 12:55:37 AM
Oh I always loved that film!!

Heee....so you were the Frenchman with the funny accent!! :lol:

Heh, I expect we just figured out a better leg than what we'll get!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 08:41:20 AM
HUGE :tu to everyone for all the hard work watcching  and tracking the past few weeks!

IF today should be the day, tweets may start once the planes are on the ground...in just a little while for some presumed destinations.

Be creative! Watch for keywords like airport names, "racing", cameras, filming, etc...not just "amazing race"!

May the tweets be with us!! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 16, 2012, 10:50:25 AM
BEWARE..........

Ms.Pretty ‏@bossmelb
My Callie pooh is doing my church's amazing race on downtown DC today!

and probably in other cities the race might be in.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 11:30:10 AM
Spotted today: Local races in Ottawa and Toronto as well!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 16, 2012, 11:34:05 AM
Spotted today everyday: Local races in Ottawa and Toronto as well!

Fixed :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Charlie90 on June 16, 2012, 12:00:16 PM
About Leg 8..are we sure that it took place in Russia? Some people seem to think so..
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: lovetherace on June 16, 2012, 12:01:26 PM
If he's at the ferry terminal in Brooklyn may have come in through JFK.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 16, 2012, 12:05:11 PM
AI 101 arrived at JFK from Paris at 10.59 and AF 22 arrived at 9.57
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on June 16, 2012, 12:05:14 PM
Dom El doesn't specify that most of Leg 8 takes place in Russia. He just shows that the Pit Start of Leg 8 will release in Russia. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Charlie90 on June 16, 2012, 12:22:32 PM
Dom El doesn't specify that most of Leg 8 takes place in Russia. He just shows that the Pit Start of Leg 8 will release in Russia. :tup:

Right..
Weird though..We don't have any clue of where did it took place. I'm thinking maybe it was a sandwiched destination ala Liechteinstein.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: lovetherace on June 16, 2012, 12:37:37 PM
Makes more sense to me from a travel standpoint than coming into Newark and having to cross over to Brooklyn, less complicated.  Also thinking taxi drivers from JFK would be more familiar with the area.

BTW sorry Peach!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 16, 2012, 01:16:27 PM
I think that 51st and 5th is the location of the CBS Morning Show studios and the Apple Store.....is it not?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 16, 2012, 01:20:56 PM
I think that 51st and 5th is the location of the CBS Morning Show studios and the Apple Store.....is it not?

Not to my knowledge. I'm pretty sure it is St. Patrick's Cathedral.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: lovetherace on June 16, 2012, 01:23:57 PM
Don't know about the CBS studios but the Apple store is closer to Central Park, more like 58th/59th Street and 5th.

St. Patrick's Cathedral does sound about right...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 16, 2012, 01:25:52 PM
TV Show Taping Schedule:
The Early Show tapes live Monday through Saturday at 7AM.
This TV show tapes on the plaza of the GM Building, located right by Central Park at Fifth Avenue and 59th Street.

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 16, 2012, 01:32:32 PM

St. Patrick's Cathedral it is.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: lovetherace on June 16, 2012, 01:51:30 PM
Quote
@NicoleMessisco

Were walking downtown and witnessed a leg of "The Amazing Race"...awesome

1:48 PM ET

Just a thought - 51st and 5th isn't exactly downtown (though someone visiting might think is was), more like midtown.

If they were at Brooklyn Bridge Park and came across there by ferry or one of the bridges (wouldn't it be great if they walked across the Brooklyn Bridge!), they would have come into Manhattan much further south.

So this tweet could could refer to a sighting in a different area.

It's a nice day and there must be a ton of people out there, surprised not to be hearing more...

 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on June 16, 2012, 01:57:51 PM
Lots of production companies film in NYC......nothing to say that whatever is going on at 51st and 5th has anything to do with us.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Boingo on June 16, 2012, 02:09:24 PM
 :) just throwing this out there, but does anyone else think that the NYC sightings may be the decoys, with the actual finalist running somewhere else (close by)?  Anyone have any descriptions of the racers in Brooklyn/Manhattan?   :(  OK, carry on!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 16, 2012, 02:36:28 PM
After the Coney Island tweet I went to see the usual Coney Island live webcams and... "CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC" official sign from the webmasters!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: lovetherace on June 16, 2012, 02:38:34 PM
Funny, was just thinking about Coney Island, thought racers could stay in Brooklyn, decoys to Manhattan...

Sighting of Phil at ferry terminal sounds reasonable, however - any chance the whole NYC thing is wrong?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: lovetherace on June 16, 2012, 02:39:45 PM
Well, cancel that last part!  What are they doing in that picture?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 16, 2012, 02:40:47 PM
They seem to be trying to look at or count something. Is that the Chippendales?

The other tweeter said they were at the Cyclone (roller coaster)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: lovetherace on June 16, 2012, 02:43:23 PM
Chippendales would be my guess...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DallasGumby on June 16, 2012, 02:47:48 PM
I've read some conflicting dates, but some say the first roller coaster in the U.S. opened on Coney Island on June 16, 1884.   :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DallasGumby on June 16, 2012, 02:49:46 PM
streebs‏@streebs

@yankees368 does NYPD have an unmarked black helicopter? Circling Coney Island beach the past 30 mins?


At 2:22 Central.

Hmmmmm?????
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Boingo on June 16, 2012, 03:04:06 PM
streebs‏@streebs

@yankees368 does NYPD have an unmarked black helicopter? Circling Coney Island beach the past 30 mins?


At 2:22 Central.

Hmmmmm?????

 :lol:  Liberty Helicopter Services (NJ) has a black chopper & offers cinema services.  ;)

http://www.libertyhelicopterscharter.com/our-fleet/
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 16, 2012, 03:10:11 PM
Tyler Watson ‏@trexwatson

Amazing race... Spotted http://instagr.am/p/L8liqFO5O2/

(https://instagr.am/p/L8liqFO5O2/media/?size=l)

^On Coney Island

I think they are trying to estimate the size of the Hamburger   :lol:

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/47201822.jpg)

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 16, 2012, 03:15:04 PM
They seem to be trying to look at or count something. Is that the Chippendales?

The other tweeter said they were at the Cyclone (roller coaster)

Question to the newyorkers of the forum:  the yellow and red paint in some of the Cyclone's gondolas is normal.  I saw a pic in twitter and that caught my eye.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on June 16, 2012, 03:21:59 PM
They seem to be trying to look at or count something. Is that the Chippendales?

The other tweeter said they were at the Cyclone (roller coaster)

Question to the newyorkers of the forum:  the yellow and red paint in some of the Cyclone's gondolas is normal.  I saw a pic in twitter and that caught my eye.

A quick Google Image search says yes. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 16, 2012, 03:24:00 PM
They seem to be trying to look at or count something. Is that the Chippendales?

The other tweeter said they were at the Cyclone (roller coaster)

Question to the newyorkers of the forum:  the yellow and red paint in some of the Cyclone's gondolas is normal.  I saw a pic in twitter and that caught my eye.

A quick Google Image search says yes. :tup:

 :ty3:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 16, 2012, 03:53:36 PM
The Tea Emporium ‏@teaemporium
We're one of the pit stops for the Amazing Race today! First duo in -Eg #theteaemporium #tea http://instagr.am/p/L8tg8KvnmI/

not sure about this.. in ny.

contacted.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on June 16, 2012, 03:57:33 PM
The Tea Emporium ‏@teaemporium
We're one of the pit stops for the Amazing Race today! First duo in -Eg #theteaemporium #tea http://instagr.am/p/L8tg8KvnmI/

not sure about this.. in ny.

Obviously a local race as those two are not racers
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on June 16, 2012, 03:58:56 PM
The Tea Emporium ‏@teaemporium
We're one of the pit stops for the Amazing Race today! First duo in -Eg #theteaemporium #tea http://instagr.am/p/L8tg8KvnmI/

not sure about this.. in ny.

Obviously a local race as those two are not racers

likey the owners
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on June 16, 2012, 04:00:50 PM
The Tea Emporium ‏@teaemporium
We're one of the pit stops for the Amazing Race today! First duo in -Eg #theteaemporium #tea http://instagr.am/p/L8tg8KvnmI/

not sure about this.. in ny.

Obviously a local race as those two are not racers

likey the owners

They are holding a package that says Team 3. Keep looking.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 04:20:44 PM
Nicole Messisco ‏@NicoleMessisco
So what we saw wasn't part of "the amazing race" afterall...but part of a new documentary about karma, with which we didn't help...YIKES!!!



Or production has a new line... :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 16, 2012, 04:21:31 PM
The 7th Annual Jazz Age Lawn Party
SATURDAY and SUNDAY
JUNE 16TH & 17TH, 2012
AND AUGUST 18TH & 19TH
Governors Island
11am – 5pm
Admission $15
Advance tickets available here
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Michael Arenella and His Dreamland Orchestra invites you to join us on this hidden gem just off the southeastern tip of Manhattan, nestled in the heart of majestic New York Harbor.

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Widely anticipated by flappers, sporting gents and tiny tots alike, this event has been featured and reviewed consistently by The New York Times, who selected the Jazz Age Lawn Party as one of the most memorable parties of 2009 and 2010.


A limited number of VIP ticket packages will be announced and available soon; stay posted.


* June event to feature special guests Tamar Korn (Saturday) and Gelber & Manning (Sunday)!
* Beautiful, real-wood '50 x '50 dance floor set up right on the lawn!
* A delightful variety of refreshing cocktails and sangria will be served by St-Germain Elderflower Liqeur and beer provided by Brooklyn Brewery.
* Gourmet entrees, sandwiches, salads and more will be for sale. Vegetarian dishes, too!
* Tasty desserts, old-fashioned ice cream cones and ices!
* Fresh-Squeezed Lemonade, Soda, juice, water, and other beverages available
* Picnicking welcomed! (just leave the hooch at home, it's prohibited by regulations except as sold by our approved vendor at event.)
* Authentic '78 records from the 1920s played on antique phonographs by Michael Cumella of WFMU's Antique Phonograph Music Program.
* Charleston lessons by dance legend Roddy Caravella
* Vintage portraits by Tsirkus Fotografika
* 1920s Motorcar Exhibition - take a spin around the island in a genuine rumble-seat; hold on to your hat!
* Vintage clothing dealers and boutique milliners - They will all be peddling wares, so be sure to tuck some cash in your garter.
* Live dance performances
* Bathing Beauties & Beaus Promenade
* Tug O' War
* Parade Of Hats
* Pie Recipe Contest
If you'd like to sign up for the pie contest, you must pre-register by emailing Sarah Liston at govislandpie@gmail.com. Bakers can sign up until midnight Fri. June 15th.


This is tonight at Governor's Island, a pretty secluded place, open only on weekends and Monday holidays. Here is transportation to there:

Manhattan
      

Brooklyn

Departs Manhattan
   

Departs GI
      

Departs Brooklyn
   

Departs GI

10:00 AM
   

10:30 AM
      

11:00 AM
   

11:10 AM

11:00 AM
   

11:00 AM
      

Runs continuously
   

Runs continuously

Every 30 minutes
   

Every 30 minutes
      

5:20 PM*
   

7:00 PM*

5:30 PM*
   

5:00 PM
         
   

5:30 PM
         
   

6:00 PM
         
   

6:30 PM
         
   

7:00 PM*
         

* Last Boat
                

East River Ferry Service
Visitors can take the East River Ferry to Governors Island from Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan on Saturdays & Sundays.

Learn more about routes and ferry schedules for the East River Ferry service.

NY Waterway's East River Ferry offers frequent service to Governors Island on Saturdays and Sundays over the summer. For departure times heading to Governors Island from all points North,click here. For departure times heading from Governors Island to all points North,click here.

Directions to the Governors Island Manhattan Ferry
The Governors Island ferry departs from the Battery Maritime Building located at 10 South Street, adjacent to the Staten Island Ferry in Lower Manhattan. The ferry terminal is accessible as follows:

By Subway
1 to South Ferry station
4, 5 to Bowling Green station
R to Whitehall St. station

By Bus
M1 (weekdays only), M6, M9, and M15

Directions to the Governors Island Brooklyn Ferry

The free ferry from Brooklyn leaves from Pier 6 in Brooklyn Bridge Park, located at the foot of Atlantic Avenue (corner of Columbia Street).

By Subway
2,3,4,5 to Borough Hall
A,C,F to Jay St./Borough Hall
R to Court Street

By Bus
B63 to the terminus of Atlantic Avenue (at Columbia Street)





Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 16, 2012, 04:56:26 PM
Michael Ausiello ‏@MichaelAusiello

AMAZING RACE shooting in Soho! Spoiler Alert: Challenge involves delivering pizzas!
Michael Ausiello ‏@MichaelAusiello is the editor in chief of TVLine.com and used to be with TVGuide covering TAR among other things.

He wouldn't make a mistake on IDing.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Boingo on June 16, 2012, 05:22:49 PM
 :lol3: according to this blog (http://schoolsoutforever.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/lombardis-pizza-damians-first-post/):

"And now for one final fact:  Lombardi is actually the inventor of the pizza box.  To transport his pizzas from the bakery to the grocery store, he put them in cardboard boxes."  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 16, 2012, 05:25:15 PM
@RyanAvenueA

#AmazingRace filming in NYC headed to Lombardi's Pizza!

4:40 pm - 16 jun 12.

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/LombardisPizza_zps81b288c0.jpg)

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/dataAy5GWBeob_WIPLDYoIWcfVXxvZu9XwJ55OX7Agt7dkk7gyWC43Pn8fqWCI-5JmbgLY1ezGES23QWK9nlpkpISgpMVUGe203de_6qNYy_aLXhT3WBYGp1WYqTr2mKqc67RlJu.gif)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 16, 2012, 05:31:40 PM

I beg to differ Mike!   :umn:

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 16, 2012, 05:34:47 PM
So NYC issued conflicting film permits. Hilarious!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 16, 2012, 05:35:42 PM
It's probably Mike:   :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 16, 2012, 05:37:04 PM
It's probably Mike:   :lol3:
:lol3: :lol3: :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 16, 2012, 05:40:34 PM
@RyanAvenueA

#AmazingRace filming in NYC headed to Lombardi's Pizza!

4:40 pm - 16 jun 12.

Two more pics from that place (I love the second one  :lol:):

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/LombardisPizza2_zps5672ded3.jpg)

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/LombardisPizza3_zps2e933efb.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DallasGumby on June 16, 2012, 05:42:39 PM
Just a gut feeling that the final pit stop is back on Governor's Island - maybe a final task involving that Jazz Festival.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 16, 2012, 05:48:32 PM
IIRC Governor's Island is not Liberty Island.... (where the Statute of Liberty is at) and I could see that as a final mat. In the middle of a Jazz Festival makes no sense from a security viewpoint.

I've also considered the possibility of Bethesda Fountain, or even Flushing Meadows, now that Shea Stadium is gone, but the other possibility is a indoor location, like say, Lincoln Center or somewhere else where they can film without being observed.

But the mention of two guys in dark blue shirts sure does seem like an obvious team ID.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 16, 2012, 05:49:26 PM
It may be too late for Governor's Island.

Last ferry was at 6:15 pm
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on June 16, 2012, 05:51:07 PM
On one of my personal race designs i set the open green lawn @ the Ellis Island Immigration Museum as the Finish Line. the Finish Line would have a great backdrop of the NYC skyline
im looking for the website to see if theyre closed but i cant find anything
and because this race might wrap up a bit late this time, there wouldnt be ferry access to the island, whch leaves one entrance..i really hope it is
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 16, 2012, 05:56:22 PM
And Liberty Island and Ellis Island ferrys end at 3:30 apparently.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 16, 2012, 05:56:38 PM
Just a collection for in case we need the timing for later:

Anyone know why there's a helicopter circling over SOHO? by @ parkview at 5:31 PM ET

What's up with the helicopter in soho? by @ saumvaish at 5:47 PM ET
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 05:56:46 PM
Water taxis? ???
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 16, 2012, 05:57:45 PM
Thought of another possibility. Somewhere near the new World Trade Center tower or the 9/11 memorial? They just topped off the tower this week.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Boingo on June 16, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
 :)  Yankees are away and Mets are at home today, so Yankee Stadium is a possibility while Citi Field is a no go.  I'm leaning toward a finish line in Central Park (didn't TAR1 start it all there).  ;)

Edited to add: National Tennis Center is possible too.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 16, 2012, 06:01:09 PM
@chris_wed

#amazingrace contestants spotted in NYC!

5:52 pm - 16 jun 12

Grey packs, he's wearing light blue snikkers and she grey ones.  They look like Abby & unknown.

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/Avi8kdKCEAAl9tX.jpg)

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on June 16, 2012, 06:01:54 PM
a twitter post has a photo of ____ & Abby in SoHo, they have a map, but i dont see any cameraman...

having teams run around NYC delivering pizzas im sure they would have decoys for this task (like the trunk in TAR16)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 16, 2012, 06:03:10 PM
@chris_wed

#amazingrace contestants spotted in NYC! http://pic.twitter.com/7frkRsED

5:52 pm - 16 jun 12

From his shoes and pack I think that is this guy (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2021/sightings/Shanghai-reta/BlondesandMofM-Fteam-airport.jpg)

Is it odd that he is wearing a pack in the finale?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DallasGumby on June 16, 2012, 06:03:16 PM
IIRC Governor's Island is not Liberty Island.... (where the Statute of Liberty is at) and I could see that as a final mat. In the middle of a Jazz Festival makes no sense from a security viewpoint.

I've also considered the possibility of Bethesda Fountain, or even Flushing Meadows, now that Shea Stadium is gone, but the other possibility is a indoor location, like say, Lincoln Center or somewhere else where they can film without being observed.

But the mention of two guys in dark blue shirts sure does seem like an obvious team ID.
I know Governor's Island is not Liberty Island.

Phil was spotted about 6 hours ago on the Ferry to Governor's Island.  I can't think of why he'd go there were it not for a pit stop.  It's not like you'd head to Governor's Island to go somewhere else in the city.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 16, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
@chris_wed

#amazingrace contestants spotted in NYC! http://pic.twitter.com/7frkRsED

5:52 pm - 16 jun 12

From his shoes and pack I think that is this guy (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2021/sightings/Shanghai-reta/BlondesandMofM-Fteam-airport.jpg)

Is it odd that he is wearing a pack in the finale?

Brechel did it in last season.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Boingo on June 16, 2012, 06:06:55 PM
 :lol:  maybe he did his stand-up there with a panorama of the city.   :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 16, 2012, 06:07:24 PM
Phil could have been using Governor's Island as a backdrop to film a stand up for introducing NYC as the final destination city of the season. That would be a good reason.

But as the clock ticks towards sunset, I am stumped as to their outdoor options, which leads me towards either something well lit at night outdoors or an interior location somewhere on Manhattan. It's way too late to do what they did with TAR 10.


Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: lovetherace on June 16, 2012, 06:10:21 PM
Quote
Gabriel Farofaldane ‏@Gabolicious
Just saw the host of the Amazing Race while waiting in line for the Ferry to Gov Isle for the Jazz Age Lawn Festival!

Don't know if Phil was actually on the ferry, sounds like maybe at the park where the ferry terminal is.  The poster was waiting in line.

Looks like ferries from that location go over to Manhattan; poster may have been going to Governor's Island but Phil could have been going elsewhere.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DallasGumby on June 16, 2012, 06:11:45 PM
Phil could have been using Governor's Island as a backdrop to film a stand up for introducing NYC as the final destination city of the season. That would be a good reason.

But as the clock ticks towards sunset, I am stumped as to their outdoor options, which leads me towards either something well lit at night outdoors or an interior location somewhere on Manhattan. It's way too late to do what they did with TAR 10.
Of course, there's one other outlier possibility.  We don't know for absolute certainty, beyond a doubt, etc., that this is the last leg.  One of the "missing" legs could have been an extended pit stop.  Would it be possible they'd do a wholly-in-the-US leg for a finale?  Just because they've not done it before doesn't mean they couldn't.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 16, 2012, 06:15:01 PM
a twitter post has a photo of ____ & Abby in SoHo, they have a map, but i dont see any cameraman...

Elizabeth and Prince SOHO
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 06:15:44 PM
Phil was spotted about 6 hours ago on the Ferry to Governor's Island.  I can't think of why he'd go there were it not for a pit stop.  It's not like you'd head to Governor's Island to go somewhere else in the city.

NO, he was spotted by someone who was going to Gov Island. HE was not spotted going there that was confirmed, as best I know.

Big difference.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Boingo on June 16, 2012, 06:16:26 PM
Here's the second pic at the pizza place.  A closer one.

 :tup:  Yep, it a Lombardi's pizza box (http://s886.photobucket.com/albums/ac66/tastychomps/lombardis/?action=view&current=cover.jpg)   :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on June 16, 2012, 06:16:46 PM
I have a feeling the actual finale is being filmed in Atlanta and they've hired lookalikes in New York. I also have a feeling it will be a switchback leg inwhich instead of flying an actual simulator plane teams fly paper areoplanes, and instead of the giant map its a black and white printout A4 sheet. CANNOT WAIT <3
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 16, 2012, 06:17:15 PM
IIRC Governor's Island is not Liberty Island.... (where the Statute of Liberty is at) and I could see that as a final mat. In the middle of a Jazz Festival makes no sense from a security viewpoint.

I've also considered the possibility of Bethesda Fountain, or even Flushing Meadows, now that Shea Stadium is gone, but the other possibility is a indoor location, like say, Lincoln Center or somewhere else where they can film without being observed.

But the mention of two guys in dark blue shirts sure does seem like an obvious team ID.
I know Governor's Island is not Liberty Island.

Phil was spotted about 6 hours ago on the Ferry to Governor's Island.  I can't think of why he'd go there were it not for a pit stop.  It's not like you'd head to Governor's Island to go somewhere else in the city.

Phil was not seen on the ferry. The tweeter was going on the ferry. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 16, 2012, 06:19:15 PM
@chris_wed

#amazingrace pizza anyone?? http://pic.twitter.com/iuzMRgA
6.01pm.

Abby & unknown, definitely.

This Chris Wed account is very suspicious seems like if it was just opened to place both pics.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 06:21:50 PM
Sooooo...where is our iconic BIG NYC finish? The stop your heart adventure of ascending Coit Tower? Or walking down a Honolulu Tower?

Where is the nearly extinct Memory task?

Somehow Coney Island and empty pizza boxes are not doing it for me....   :(
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 06:22:51 PM
I have a feeling the actual finale is being filmed in Atlanta

Wash your mouth out with soap. I nearly died the first time. :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 16, 2012, 06:28:25 PM
Here`s the pic:

Again, no camera people?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 16, 2012, 06:29:56 PM
I think we've got decoys mixed in with that task.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 16, 2012, 06:32:42 PM
Here`s the pic:

Again, no camera people?

Yes, I noticed that too.  And there's another thing:  the account only has this 3 tweets.  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on June 16, 2012, 06:37:00 PM
i think we can ID one of the teams in the F3, they have been spotted twice (with cameramen)

i do have a strange theory for @chris_wed's photos:
having teams run around NYC delivering pizza, obviously production know they will be spotted. so they put out decoy teams to run around. they desperately dont want the F3 to be spoiled so they get production in the area to take photos of the decoy teams and upload them to twitter on new accounts and tag #amazigrace so RFF are the first people to find them, and they make us believe whos in the F3

in the 3 photos of ____& Abby, i see no existence of cameramen around them. i dont know about you guys but that screams DECOY at me
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selfeviction on June 16, 2012, 06:40:35 PM
same guy (Chris Wed)
http://pic.twitter.com/eopgmEmm
yay! Sri Lankan sisters!

Again, no camera crew.
So decoy teams right?  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 16, 2012, 06:45:52 PM
So here is the scoop on Team Pink. 

They are Nadine and Natalie from New York City.  They are twin sisters born in New York City.  But their family is from Sri Lanka and they were raised there.  They moved back to NYC when they were in their teens.  One is attending college to become a physical therapist and the other works for a non-profit organization with ties to Sri Lanka.

same guy (Chris Wed)
http://pic.twitter.com/eopgmEmm
yay! Sri Lankan sisters!

Again, no camera crew.

Backpacks in your own city?  That's strange.

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/AvjGOF5CIAAF5MK.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Heliox on June 16, 2012, 06:46:05 PM
When was the last time that there were confirmed decoys in the last leg? Portland? Or is my memory failing me.

NYC seems like a likely place to run decoys, but it seems like it has been awhile since they have used them.
And delivering pizza does seem to be so low key compared to other finale tasks of recent seasons.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on June 16, 2012, 06:47:47 PM
When was the last time that there were confirmed decoys in the last leg? Portland? Or is my memory failing me.

NYC seems like a likely place to run decoys, but it seems like it has been awhile since they have used them.
And delivering pizza does seem to be so low key compared to other finale tasks of recent seasons.

TAR18 at Miami Intl Airport. I think they did that because it was All Stars and most of the teams were recognised straight away

TAR16 during the trunk task. Mike and Louie ran around SF with the trunk, but no cameramen. obvious decoys
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Boingo on June 16, 2012, 06:48:55 PM
I think the camera guys are what make people think they are racers, as opposed to just being lost tourists.  Shouldn't decoys be getting to the finish line so thay can prepare for the arrival of the finalists.  They shouldn't be messing around with the actual racers at this time of the day.  Just thinkin' out loud here.   ;)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 16, 2012, 06:49:08 PM
At least they remembered to remove the checked bag tags this time!   :lol:

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 16, 2012, 06:49:23 PM
I just thought of another location for a possible finish mat.

The Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum; the new home of the space shuttle Enterprise; it's along the west side on the Hudson not far from Times Square.

I am really baffled about where the finish mat might be;I'd like something a little more onteresting than a beach on a shore. :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on June 16, 2012, 06:51:32 PM
Um nice thongs...:(
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Boingo on June 16, 2012, 06:52:43 PM
I just thought of another location for a possible finish mat.

The Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum; the new home of the space shuttle Enterprise; it's along the west side on the Hudson not far from Times Square.

I am really baffled about where the finish mat might be;I'd like something a little more onteresting than a beach on a shore. :)

Checked their web site and they are open for business today.   :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 16, 2012, 06:53:03 PM
I agree with Boingo. No decoys, no hoax. What was the chopper fuzz then for? Just one thing, can someone help me see if the racers are miked (wearing microphones) in the pictures? Thanks.

In a lovely manner I need to ask Peach to keep her SPEC in SPEC too. What is that about speculating about new production lines in the LIVE thread? :)  :<3
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 06:53:35 PM
Portland ran several decoys even AFTER the finish line because the media presence was so awful there, the finale location was very nearly ruined....which could have ruined an entire race.

Portland is the very reason that RFF tries so hard to be careful about releasing start and finish line info(when we have it) until it is clear the racers are safe. Not to be selfish, but out of some genuine concern for the racers' safety.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 06:55:17 PM
And hmmm...if racers came in on the 1030 flight as we believe...this is getting to be a VERY long finale.

Have to wonder if we are not seeing POST finish line decoys again, just like in Portland.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 16, 2012, 06:55:57 PM
So here is the scoop on Team Pink. 

They are Nadine and Natalie from New York City.  They are twin sisters born in New York City.  But their family is from Sri Lanka and they were raised there.  They moved back to NYC when they were in their teens.  One is attending college to become a physical therapist and the other works for a non-profit organization with ties to Sri Lanka.

same guy (Chris Wed)
http://pic.twitter.com/eopgmEmm
yay! Sri Lankan sisters!

Again, no camera crew.

Backpacks in your own city?  That's strange.

nvm.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on June 16, 2012, 06:57:01 PM
i dont these are post decoys as one team has been spotted ACTUALLY racing on this day
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: lovetherace on June 16, 2012, 07:04:09 PM
Have to agree on the decoy issue, one way to make sure people are spotted is to be in Soho on a Saturday.

Quote
I just thought of another location for a possible finish mat.

The Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum; the new home of the space shuttle Enterprise; it's along the west side on the Hudson not far from Times Square.

I am really baffled about where the finish mat might be;I'd like something a little more onteresting than a beach on a shore.

I was thinking about Castle Clinton all the way south; it closed to the public at 5 pm, but I guess they'd need time to set up.

I assume the sighting in Coney Island was real.  Any ideas where they would have gone from Coney Island?  It would be kind of a bummer for them not to go to Manhattan and stay in Brooklyn for the final.  Though not sure how far north they'd have them go - Intrepid is in the 40s on the West Side.  If they came over from Coney Island/Brooklyn they'd probably be pretty far south.

One thought - the Wall Street area is not crowded on the weekend...



Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 07:04:38 PM
Not everything...just maybe these later shots from the new guy?? 10+ hours for a finale is getting long, right?

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on June 16, 2012, 07:05:36 PM
Not everything...just maybe these later shots from the new guy?? 10+ hours for a finale is getting long, right?

We haven't had a TBC finale yet.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 07:06:09 PM
In a lovely manner I need to ask Peach to keep her SPEC in SPEC too. What is that about speculating about new production lines in the LIVE thread? :) :<3

oopsie. Got it!!  :-[
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 16, 2012, 07:08:06 PM
Not everything...just maybe these later shots from the new guy?? 10+ hours for a finale is getting long, right?

Assuming they were on the 10.30 flight...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Xarles on June 16, 2012, 07:12:59 PM
Have to agree on the decoy issue, one way to make sure people are spotted is to be in Soho on a Saturday.

Quote
I just thought of another location for a possible finish mat.

The Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum; the new home of the space shuttle Enterprise; it's along the west side on the Hudson not far from Times Square.

I am really baffled about where the finish mat might be;I'd like something a little more onteresting than a beach on a shore.

I was thinking about Castle Clinton all the way south; it closed to the public at 5 pm, but I guess they'd need time to set up.

I assume the sighting in Coney Island was real.  Any ideas where they would have gone from Coney Island?  It would be kind of a bummer for them not to go to Manhattan and stay in Brooklyn for the final.  Though not sure how far north they'd have them go - Intrepid is in the 40s on the West Side.

Because of the distance I checked all possibilities in Prospect Park, which also seemed as a great backdrop, but it all came negative.

The live cams and live audio feeds from NY that I was watching, even though I couldn't see the helicopters, there was an unusual helicopter traffic increase exactly from 4:55 to 5 PM, which for a Saturday, unless a local can explain, seemed not usual. About six choppers one after another in the lower Manhattan-Governors Island area.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 07:16:25 PM
5 o'clock News coverage of the Jazz Festival?? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 07:17:17 PM
Not everything...just maybe these later shots from the new guy?? 10+ hours for a finale is getting long, right?

Assuming they were on the 10.30 flight...

They weren't on the next one. :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 16, 2012, 07:20:07 PM
Not everything...just maybe these later shots from the new guy?? 10+ hours for a finale is getting long, right?

Assuming they were on the 10.30 flight...

They weren't on the next one. :)

 :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: lovetherace on June 16, 2012, 07:21:56 PM
Quote
Because of the distance I checked all possibilities in Prospect Park, which also seemed as a great backdrop, but it all came negative.

The live cams and live audio feeds from NY that I was watching, even though I couldn't see the helicopters, there was an unusual helicopter traffic increase exactly from 4:55 to 5 PM, which for a Saturday, unless a local can explain, seemed not usual. About six choppers one after another in the lower Manhattan-Governors Island area.

I thought of Prospect Park, but it seemed too public.

Castle Clinton and Battery Park are at the southern tip across from Governor's Island.  But I think the 5 o'clock news theory might be right regarding the helicopters.

Not sure if you saw my edit about the Wall Street area not being too crowded on Saturday - what do you think?  It's not all that far, but far enough, from where decoys might be running in Soho.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazinglatinoamericafan on June 16, 2012, 07:28:28 PM
i never woud use that snickers in the pink girl lol :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 16, 2012, 07:36:33 PM
This shot was taken between 3:15 and 3:25 pm (assumes June 16th).

(https://instagr.am/p/L8liqFO5O2/media/?size=l)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 16, 2012, 07:41:44 PM
And Mike Avila kindly and undeceptively reported production helicopters over SoHo at 5:31 pm New York time.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 07:43:50 PM
And the tweet was about 330.

Chips spotted looking for pizza at 440.

N&N and Abby+ all seen 550PM -650PM.

Maybe NOT time for a finish line inbetween? :duno:

A nighttime finish somewhere would be very nice....  still looking for the iconic shots...watertaxis to somewhere zooming past the Statue of Liberty at sunset?? I could live with that!! :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 07:44:33 PM
Decoy choppers?? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 16, 2012, 07:49:16 PM
Well, its only now about sunset in NYC as I post this.

But the idea of using the TAR 1 start or finish location has an appeal to me, given how much of this edition seems to be reusing general locations. Seriously, Flushing Meadows anyone? Even that would look cool at night.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 16, 2012, 07:50:18 PM
It's about 24 min to drive from Coney Island to Lombardi's Pizza (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Coney+Island,+New+York,+NY&daddr=32+Spring+Street,+New+York,+NY+10012+(Lombardi%27s+Pizza)&hl=en&sll=40.721514,-73.995612&sspn=0.02158,0.035255&geocode=Fc4fawIdaxCX-ynFjHiDykXCiTHE5Zu0RBuveg%3BFWpcbQIdpOqW-yGZQjz8EgXx2Cmn5xYTilnCiTGZQjz8EgXx2A&oq=coney&gl=us&mra=ls&t=m&z=13)

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on June 16, 2012, 07:52:01 PM
Decoy choppers?? :lol:

Better not tell Mike!  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 16, 2012, 07:52:21 PM
And the tweet was about 330.

Chips spotted looking for pizza at 440.

N&N and Abby+ all seen 550PM -650PM.

Maybe NOT time for a finish line inbetween? :duno:

A nighttime finish somewhere would be very nice....  still looking for the iconic shots...watertaxis to somewhere zooming past the Statue of Liberty at sunset?? I could live with that!! :yess:

Well, we already had a finish line at dawn, why not? :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 16, 2012, 07:54:15 PM
One other idea. Liberty State Park on the New Jersey side of the Harbor (Statute of Liberty from the other side.) Yes, ferries might not be going, but taxis sure could do it.

I keep having this feeling they're going for something newly iconic with New York. That's the common thread of the locations I've been suggesting all afternoon, and it would make huge sense with HD and a finale in early December. If they're on the Jersey shore, then the new WTC ("Freedom") Tower is in the background, even at night along with Lady Liberty....and people wouldn't be associating with the park on the southwest side of the harbor being the finish line for NYC>
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: jiajia12 on June 16, 2012, 08:00:50 PM
Had there been more than 3 teams spotted in SoHo ?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 16, 2012, 08:06:23 PM
So here is the scoop on Team Pink. 

They are Nadine and Natalie from New York City.  They are twin sisters born in New York City.  But their family is from Sri Lanka and they were raised there.  They moved back to NYC when they were in their teens.  One is attending college to become a physical therapist and the other works for a non-profit organization with ties to Sri Lanka.

same guy (Chris Wed)
http://pic.twitter.com/eopgmEmm
yay! Sri Lankan sisters!

Again, no camera crew.

Backpacks in your own city?  That's strange.

What I find truly strange is no sneakers on the twin with the red headband. Nobody runs in flip-flops, so that screams decoy to me.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2012, 08:08:36 PM

I keep having this feeling they're going for something newly iconic with New York. That's the common thread of the locations I've been suggesting all afternoon, and it would make huge sense with HD and a finale in early December.

Absolutely. We still need that iconic moment.




Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 16, 2012, 08:10:46 PM
It seems that there are three likely scenarios, listed in order of likelihood:

1. The James' and two other teams are the F3 and twins and dark green are decoying

2. The Chippendales, twins and dark green team are the F3 and the Chips are a ways ahead of the other two

3. The Chips and one of those teams and one other unknown team are the F3 and the other of the spotted teams is decoying and happens to be near the other who is actually racing

Evidence for them being decoys:

1. Wearing backpacks
2. Flip flops
3. No camera or sound seen
4. The convenient twitter account made to post pictures of only these two teams
5. The fact that they are far behind the Chippendales

Evidence for them not being decoys:

1. The helicopter near them
2. It was getting late to be decoying

Am I missing anything? ???
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 16, 2012, 08:21:46 PM
Guys, if WRP had to do all of this things to get us out of their trail, WE'VE BEEN DOING A HELL OF A JOB DURING THE LASTS THREE WEEKS! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: eddiethejet on June 16, 2012, 10:54:07 PM
OMG!!! I used to lives minutes from the pizza place in chinatown...it is right around the corner from the spring street subway station in  the middle of chinatown!!! wow, i wish i still lived up there!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: eddiethejet on June 17, 2012, 01:09:14 AM
if i had to guess, i would say the finish line would be at arthur ashe stadium.  To get from Chinatown to Arthur Ashe; it would require battling some ridiculous traffic. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: eddiethejet on June 17, 2012, 01:13:27 AM
another possible finish line would be madison square garden. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on June 17, 2012, 02:38:07 AM


Evidence for them not being decoys:

1. The helicopter near them
2. It was getting late to be decoying

Am I missing anything? ???
We got the time of Abby/Srilanka twins appearing just by the time it posted? He may post them later...
Still think Abby/twins are decoys.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on June 17, 2012, 06:12:00 AM
I want to discuss the possibility that the real finish is today somewhere other than NYC. That hypothesis is based on having all NYC teams so easily spotted were decoys, the real F3 remaining overnight in France. Decoy teams could have taken overnight trains to Boston, Philadelphia or Washingon or be as close as Long Island or New Jersey or even a repeat of Westchester County (AR10).
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on June 17, 2012, 07:54:18 AM
I want to discuss the possibility that the real finish is today somewhere other than NYC. That hypothesis is based on having all NYC teams so easily spotted were decoys, their the real F3 remaining overnight in France. Decoy teams could have taken overnight trains to Boston, Philadelphia or Washingon or be as close as Long Island or New Jersey or even a repeat of Westchester County (AR10).

Apskip, I thought you were more logical than that. Do you really think that WRP hired helicopters, camera crews, and camera cars just to create a fake leg? They even somehow got the Coney Island webcams turned off.
Of course they were easily spotted, it was a Saturday afternoon in New York City! Actually even with many sightings there is much we don't know. They hid the core tasks and the finish line pretty well and we may have never seen two of the real F3 teams.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on June 17, 2012, 08:03:25 AM
I would agree with Prophet. WRP would not spend thousands of dollars on decoys. All they need to do is keep the results a secret and not have them spoiled.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 17, 2012, 09:05:38 AM
I learned once that the best lie is the one who is build from a true.  And in the game of deceits, when the "we know that you know that we know that you know" in set in motion, you reach a moment that you don't trust in anything, even the truth.
On purpose or not, and based on previous experiences with decoys, WRP put us right at that point; taking advantage of our suspicion.  It doesn't mean that one of us is right and the other is wrong.   ;)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on June 17, 2012, 09:07:53 PM
Another reason to believe both the twins and Abby and unknown are decoys: neither of them have a clue envelope or a fanny pack to hold their passports and clues.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on June 17, 2012, 09:09:29 PM
I think yesterday was decoys and the race ended somewhere this afternoon (while RFF was down).
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 18, 2012, 03:41:25 AM
I `am gonna say this a lot, because I`am so sad about it!!!!!!
No NEW Countries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'(

I think that the TAR21 route is a TAR10 lookalike. Leg 1 China - Leg 10 Spain -Leg 11 France - End-city New York.

Come on Production team you can do way better then that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 18, 2012, 10:43:07 AM
Well, the twins start using their twitter account again yesterday morning.  There are posts at 10.29am and 11.04am.  And in some of this threads I read that Brent Ridge did the same yesterday morning too.  I don't believe that WRP goes to that kind of extremes just to deceit us. 
(Although nothing better than a conspiracy theory to give answers to everything  :lol:)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 18, 2012, 07:45:05 PM
I think yesterday was decoys and the race ended somewhere this afternoon (while RFF was down).


:lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 18, 2012, 08:48:38 PM
I think yesterday was decoys and the race ended somewhere this afternoon (while RFF was down).


:lol3:
Hmmm...Even if that is true, tweets and instapics would have been posted anyhow. There just wouldn't have necessrily been a lot of followup. :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 18, 2012, 10:57:54 PM
Another reason to believe both the twins and Abby and unknown are decoys: neither of them have a clue envelope or a fanny pack to hold their passports and clues.

Without knowing what happened in the non spotted legs, if we check all the pics we have of the twins (LAX, Indonesia, Amsterdam and even in France), they always wear black or white snikkers.


(Conspiracy theory, here we go :lol:)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: bcp19 on June 19, 2012, 06:38:36 AM
Another reason to believe both the twins and Abby and unknown are decoys: neither of them have a clue envelope or a fanny pack to hold their passports and clues.

Without knowing what happened in the non spotted legs, if we check all the pics we have of the twins (LAX, Indonesia, Amsterdam and even in France), they always wear black or white snikkers.


(Conspiracy theory, here we go :lol:)
Maybe they visited an orphanage while in Spain and gave away their shoes?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: avatara on June 19, 2012, 02:25:22 PM
 :hearts: :hearts:  I am lost. :tantrum
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on June 19, 2012, 02:28:23 PM
:hearts: :hearts:  I am lost. :tantrum

 :hello2:  :welcome2: to RFF.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: avatara on June 19, 2012, 02:33:55 PM
I am trying to figure this forum out. :tantrum
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on June 19, 2012, 03:56:53 PM
The FIRST post of each thread has the how to's and summaries.

Start with the Timeline for a complete summary of the race so far, then work your way thru the live sightings if you want to get the full flavor!

:welcome: to RFF!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 20, 2012, 10:25:02 AM
The filming of TAR21 is over, and now we have to Waite to September to see the Show!!!!
I think that people here have done a wonderful job, by tracking the Teams and Phil down!  :ghug: :ghug: :ghug: :ghug:

What i`am looking forward to see in the show is Istanbul, Amsterdam, Mallorca, Loire Valley and of course the NYC finish! :luvya: :luvya: :luvya: :luvya:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 20, 2012, 10:34:49 AM
TARFansurvivor, the actual filming is over, but that does not mean that travelers who may have encountered the Racers, or production, might not yet post on a blog, Facebook, Twitter, or other sites in the coming weeks. In the days before Twitter, especially, that was often the case, and if someone didn't have smatphone access to their twitter or facebook account while traveling, thet would upload after they get to a location where they do have such access.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on June 20, 2012, 11:05:10 AM
TARFansurvivor, the actual filming is over, but that does not mean that travelers who may have encountered the Racers, or production, might not yet post on a blog, Facebook, Twitter, or other sites in the coming weeks. In the days before Twitter, especially, that was often the case, and if someone didn't have smatphone access to their twitter or facebook account while traveling, thet would upload after they get to a location where they do have such access.

So there is still a chance that, we get the location of leg 8!!!!!!
Great hope it is not Moscow, but a new place!!!
And i still hope that there is only one leg in Bangladesh, and not two!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: florida on June 20, 2012, 09:55:00 PM
i think we can ID one of the teams in the F3, they have been spotted twice (with cameramen)

i do have a strange theory for @chris_wed's photos:
having teams run around NYC delivering pizza, obviously production know they will be spotted. so they put out decoy teams to run around. they desperately dont want the F3 to be spoiled so they get production in the area to take photos of the decoy teams and upload them to twitter on new accounts and tag #amazigrace so RFF are the first people to find them, and they make us believe whos in the F3

in the 3 photos of ____& Abby, i see no existence of cameramen around them. i dont know about you guys but that screams DECOY at me

Going on your theory....what if they've digitally removed or purposely not taken photos of any crew? If the crew was given instructions to stand away from those teams.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on June 20, 2012, 10:38:21 PM
i think we can ID one of the teams in the F3, they have been spotted twice (with cameramen)

i do have a strange theory for @chris_wed's photos:
having teams run around NYC delivering pizza, obviously production know they will be spotted. so they put out decoy teams to run around. they desperately dont want the F3 to be spoiled so they get production in the area to take photos of the decoy teams and upload them to twitter on new accounts and tag #amazigrace so RFF are the first people to find them, and they make us believe whos in the F3

in the 3 photos of ____& Abby, i see no existence of cameramen around them. i dont know about you guys but that screams DECOY at me

Going on your theory....what if they've digitally removed or purposely not taken photos of any crew? If the crew was given instructions to stand away from those teams.

It's quite unlikely bystanders are going to be asked to avoid taking pictures of the camera crew with the live teams. First of all, the producers won't know who is going to be bystanding or exactly when teams arrive; and experience has shown that if production does anything, they ask bystanders not to take photos.
In the early days (and I don't know of any reason to think it has changed) teams were generally instructed to stay within a certain distance of the camera crew (IIRC it was 100 feet) even if teams had to use the restroom. Likewise, teams sometimes had to wait for their crews, especially if they were recharging their equipment batteries or changing battery packs for the microphones, and so forth, Because of this, and the experience posted in these forums in the past about decoy teams, that explanation seems more plausible than live teams racing without their crews close at hand. And usually, at tasks, there are local crews filming all of the teams that are doing the task.

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on July 05, 2012, 12:06:17 PM
Thanks to JOY S. SWAINSON for allowing me to share these photos she took while at the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul.
Please respect her ownership of these photos and do not reproduce them or post them elsewhere without her permission.
The first 2 are Abby and Ryan leaving the Grand Bazaar. Note that Ryan has a Route Info clue in his hand and Abby is carrying a box of some sort.

My guess is that its a Backgammon game - which is very popular in Turkey.
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb365/walkingpneumonia/GrandBazaarIstanbul1.jpg)
And - Ryan has a Bangladesh T-Shirt on - wonder why???
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb365/walkingpneumonia/GrandBazaarIstanbul2.jpg)
This is Kelly (of Rob and Kelly - the monster truck drivers) selling tea in the Grand Bazaar. As you can see, our photographer bought some from her!
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb365/walkingpneumonia/GrandBazaarIstanbul3.jpg)
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb365/walkingpneumonia/GrandBazaarIstanbul4.jpg)

Original photos are here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joyfuljoy/7374487234/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joyfuljoy/7374488506/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joyfuljoy/7189207459/

It seems that Kelly is doing a RB. :meh
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on July 05, 2012, 06:22:16 PM
The Ege Doviz in the background is listed as being on Kavaflar street (http://www.haritamap.com/yer/151532/kavaflar-sk.html). And the team is exiting from the Beyazit (http://www.istanbultrails.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/istanbul-grand-bazaar-map-1.jpg) gate. Fwiw.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on July 05, 2012, 07:29:41 PM
Anywhere near the TARaus Pitstop??
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on July 05, 2012, 09:50:12 PM
The latest one, Beyazit square? They're cater-corner, maybe only a few hundred yards walking distance.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on July 05, 2012, 10:10:19 PM
Thanks!! Interesting...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Al on July 06, 2012, 07:15:05 PM
It seems to be hours before sunset in the pictures of Ryan and Abbie,  whereas it seems to be past sunset in the pictures of Kelly. If those were the only teams spotted, then Ryan and Abbie may have  been second to last with a big lead from Rob and Kelly (I doubt WRP would have them make it to the pit stop that late), or the rest of teams may have left the place through another exit (if there's any). Was that the end of the journey (or a NEL) for Rob & Kelly?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kiki on July 06, 2012, 11:47:43 PM
It seems to be hours before sunset in the pictures of Ryan and Abbie,  whereas it seems to be past sunset in the pictures of Kelly.

Don't be confused by the lighting. Capali Charsi, the Great Bazaar, is an enclosed space, it has a roof and almost no natural light, so it it impossible to tell the time by just looking at the pictures, unless of course we can find when they were taken exactly.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on July 24, 2012, 02:48:53 PM
The bike shop also gives us another location for the final leg we didn't have that day.

We already had it:

Re: Amazing Race 21 LIVE Sightings! Tweets Go Here! **please read post 1 update**
Reply #450 on: June 17, 2012, 11:45:14 AM »
Quote

teragram31

Filming The Amazing Race? Pizza delivery to Bicycle Habitat 19h




According to Google Maps, there's a two blocks distance between Lombardi's Pizza and Bicycle Habitat by foot.

And here's a pic from Bicycle Habitat:




(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/764020540.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on July 24, 2012, 02:50:47 PM
This pic from Ryan and Abby is in Elizabeth St. and Prince St., two blocks distance from Lombardi's Pizza too.

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/Avi8kdKCEAAl9tX.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on July 24, 2012, 02:53:43 PM
And is this one, they're on Prince St., coming maybe from Lafayette St. towards Elizabeth St.  Lafayette St. is the street where Bicycle Habitat is.

BTW, in the next corner of the street it's the place where the twins were spotted.

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Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on July 24, 2012, 03:14:31 PM
And the twins are in Mulberry St. and Prince St., two blocks from Bicycle Habitat and Lombardi's Pizza too.

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/AvjGOF5CIAAF5MK.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on July 24, 2012, 07:43:53 PM
I found another pic of Bicycle Habitat, and here's LoveRocked too.  No doubt it's the same place.

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/BikeHab.jpg)

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Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on July 26, 2012, 01:50:08 PM
No need for a photo search. Streetview will let you browse the inside (http://goo.gl/maps/3lRK) of the store; just click the arrow (or double-arrows) to move around.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kodyodie on July 28, 2012, 02:52:19 AM
they were in oregon on july 28th two girls in orange shirts
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on July 28, 2012, 10:37:50 AM
That is clearly a local race. Filming has already wrapped up, and racers never wear shirts with the show name on them.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on July 30, 2012, 12:12:59 AM
they were in oregon on july 28th two girls in orange shirts

Yes, afraid it was not us, we know all the F/F teams already.  But thank you anyway, and :welcome: to RFF, kodyodie!!
 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: shiqiansoh on August 02, 2012, 10:23:27 AM
I dunno whether this is the right place to put my prediction for leg 8. But, these are the places that keep on popping in my mind:

-Krasnoyarsk, Russia
-Oulu, Finland
-Kraków, Poland
-Wroclaw, Poland
-Aarhus, Denmark
-Rotterdam, Holland
-Nice, France
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on August 02, 2012, 02:22:26 PM
I dunno whether this is the right place to put my prediction for leg 8. But, these are the places that keep on popping in my mind:

-Krasnoyarsk, Russia
-Oulu, Finland
-Kraków, Poland
-Wroclaw, Poland
-Aarhus, Denmark
-Rotterdam, Holland
-Nice, France

They were in Amsterdam this season.  And they were at the Chateau de Chenonceau -at the Loire Valley- and in Normandy. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ianthebalance on August 02, 2012, 07:05:12 PM
I hope/predict that leg 8 will be in Latvia. (i hope so, every season needs AT LEAST 1 new country.)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on August 08, 2012, 01:24:56 AM
Earthquake in LA right now!!!!


or maybe it's just the heat    :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on August 08, 2012, 01:39:55 AM
I did feel an EarthQuake I did!!!

USGS (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/dyfi/events/ci/15189073/us/index.html)

(http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/dyfi/events/ci/15189073/us/ci15189073_ciim.jpg)

It was 28 miles away from me.  Magnitude 4.4   :ascared     I hope they're okay in OC.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on August 14, 2012, 03:37:28 PM
Updated with Istanbul info. After supah3ro's excellent find of that photo, I think we can assume that the other two Istanbul sightings yesterday were genuine.

The Istanbul picture supah3ro found was almost certainly taken on the M1 Metro/Light Rail Line, which runs from the Atatürk International Airport into the city.  Based on the photographer's post, he saw the team while enroute from the airport to his hotel in the old city. So, that is probably before the teams got to the Grand Bazaar.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Katarzyna on August 15, 2012, 04:00:02 PM
I wonder where Leg 8 is. I hope it's a new European country and not in Russia or Netherlands.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Air on August 16, 2012, 06:57:13 AM
We've heard that it could be in Latvia or Bulgaria a lot, but what about Slovenia??

It's reasonably close to both Russia and the Netherlands.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Joeyengen on August 16, 2012, 12:21:06 PM
How about Switzerland ? :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on August 16, 2012, 02:34:00 PM
Something I noticed: the CBS website says this race will have 9 countries. Since we already know of 9 countries they will be visiting (USA, China, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Turkey, Russia, Netherlands, Spain, and France), this means that the unkown Leg 8 is to either be in Russia or the Netherlands.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on August 16, 2012, 03:13:35 PM
Because I suspect filming in the Netherlands for two legs is more likely to have been witnessed than a second leg in Russia, especially if it was outside Moscow, I'd bet the unknown leg was Russia.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on August 16, 2012, 06:01:57 PM
Something I noticed: the CBS website says this race will have 9 countries. Since we already know of 9 countries they will be visiting (USA, China, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Turkey, Russia, Netherlands, Spain, and France), this means that the unkown Leg 8 is to either be in Russia or the Netherlands.

I don't think the USA will count as being "visited".
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on August 17, 2012, 12:13:44 AM
It always is, in the country list.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Air on August 17, 2012, 06:22:13 AM
Ah well. We got Indonesia, Bangladesh, Turkey, Spain and a new region of France. That should be either enough new regions to keep viewers happy or the other regions are so old (Turkey and Spain) that no-one will remember them.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on August 17, 2012, 09:38:39 AM
Based on the 9 countries, I think we will be seeing Russia, Russia and Bangladesh, Bangladeh...but we'll see!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RaceUntilWeDie on August 17, 2012, 05:38:12 PM
They tied the lowest  :res:
with TAR15.
(Obviously excluding FE)

~
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on August 17, 2012, 05:47:49 PM
My 'connect the dots' approach of all known locations comes up to 23,000 miles, so we know our missing leg must be near Moscow or Amsterdam (but I guess we knew that anyway..)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on August 18, 2012, 04:51:52 AM
Any discussion of the PRE-Race videos can now go here: :tup:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27709.0.html
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RaceUntilWeDie on August 29, 2012, 08:48:53 AM
Which Netherlands Roadblock are they talking about?
- The TAR12 pole-jumping or the TAR15 bell-counting?

What am I missing?  :duno:
If it's either one of them, the TAR15 one would look more interesting, but the TAR12 one would cause muddiness  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kamineko on August 29, 2012, 08:57:40 AM
Which Netherlands Roadblock are they talking about?
- The TAR12 pole-jumping or the TAR15 bell-counting?

What am I missing?  :duno:
If it's either one of them, the TAR15 one would look more interesting, but the TAR12 one would cause muddiness  :lol:
Maybe they're taking task from other country? Because I don't think those tasks worth to be a Switchback... :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on August 29, 2012, 09:12:00 AM
Which Netherlands Roadblock are they talking about?
- The TAR12 pole-jumping or the TAR15 bell-counting?

What am I missing?  :duno:
If it's either one of them, the TAR15 one would look more interesting, but the TAR12 one would cause muddiness  :lol:

Maybe they're taking task from other country? Because I don't think those tasks worth to be a Switchback... :duno:

And I don't believe it's gonna be the eel RB of TAR4. :( .
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kamineko on August 29, 2012, 09:18:07 AM
Which Netherlands Roadblock are they talking about?
- The TAR12 pole-jumping or the TAR15 bell-counting?

What am I missing?  :duno:
If it's either one of them, the TAR15 one would look more interesting, but the TAR12 one would cause muddiness  :lol:

Maybe they're taking task from other country? Because I don't think those tasks worth to be a Switchback... :duno:

And I don't believe it's gonna be the eel RB of TAR4. :( .
The most infamous Roadblock that comes up in my mind and can be happened anywhere in Europe is the haybales rolling task. However, I don't think that they would be repeating it again... :(
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on August 29, 2012, 09:20:18 AM
Which Netherlands Roadblock are they talking about?
- The TAR12 pole-jumping or the TAR15 bell-counting?

What am I missing?  :duno:
If it's either one of them, the TAR15 one would look more interesting, but the TAR12 one would cause muddiness  :lol:

Maybe they're taking task from other country? Because I don't think those tasks worth to be a Switchback... :duno:

And I don't believe it's gonna be the eel RB of TAR4. :( .
The most infamous Roadblock that comes up in my mind and can be happened anywhere in Europe is the haybales rolling task. However, I don't think that they would be repeating it again... :(

What about the windmill fast forward?

I mean they can make it a Roadblock
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: MrDeerShank on August 29, 2012, 10:29:48 AM
I wonder what this season's Switchback would be - S4 eel RB?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on August 29, 2012, 11:18:40 AM
Which Netherlands Roadblock are they talking about?
- The TAR12 pole-jumping or the TAR15 bell-counting?

What am I missing?  :duno:
If it's either one of them, the TAR15 one would look more interesting, but the TAR12 one would cause muddiness  :lol:

Maybe they're taking task from other country? Because I don't think those tasks worth to be a Switchback... :duno:

And I don't believe it's gonna be the eel RB of TAR4. :( .
The most infamous Roadblock that comes up in my mind and can be happened anywhere in Europe is the haybales rolling task. However, I don't think that they would be repeating it again... :(

What about the windmill fast forward?

I mean they can make it a Roadblock

I wonder what this season's Switchback would be - S4 eel RB?

What about the choice "15 ft." of TAR4 Detour?:
"Teams has to dig barehanded through a 15 foot high pile of manure to find their next clue."  :o

Kamineko, they put the "shave your head" FF for the third time in TAR history last season; so don't take for granted that they wouldn't repeat it again.  :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on August 29, 2012, 11:53:45 AM
Given that the producers have now re-cycled two tasks from the early seasons, my guess is that it's a task previously done in the Netherlands, and the most infamous tasks are either the detour from leg 7 of TAR 15:
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In this leg's Detour, teams chose between Farmer's Game or Farmer's Dance. In both Detours, teams dressed in traditional Dutch costumes—one male and one female—and rode bicycles to their Detour choice. In Farmer's Game, teams had to strip down to their Dutch underwear and swim across a creek. On the other side, they had to retrieve a special set of golf clubs and play 3 holes of Farmersgolf. Team members took turns with each stroke and had to finish within par of 8 strokes on each hole to receive their next clue. In Farmer's Dance, teams had to find a country festival where one team member had to hit the bell on a high striker (if that team member failed, team members would take turns until they hit the bell). They then had to enter a dance hall to learn a traditional Dutch folk dance and perform that dance in front of a crowd. If the dance was to the instructor's satisfaction, the instructor would give each team member a serving of soused herring which they had to eat in order to receive their next clue. (Wikipedia article)

or from TAR 4:
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In the Detour, teams must choose between 500 kilograms or 15 feet (4.6 m). In 500 kilograms, teams drive 30 miles (48 km) to Alkmaar on an outdoor market, don traditional wooden clogs and use a wooden stretcher to carry cheese from a stockpile to a scale. Once it exactly weighed in at 500 kilograms (1,100 lb) of cheese no more, no less and they receive their next clue. In 15 feet (4.6 m), teams drive 12 miles (19 km) to a ranch, where the cow manure is processed into fertilizer. Then, they must searched barehanded through a clues 15 feet (4.6 m) of a pile. (Wikipedia article)
I think the 15 foot detour option could easily be converted to a roadblock using the same location. The TAR 15 detour doesn't work without both sides of the detour, it was that combo that made it infamous and led to an elimination (as was the Haybales).
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on August 29, 2012, 12:47:50 PM
Switchback in Netherlands <333

My guess is actually the pool-jumping challenge, but since last season's Switchback wasn't at the same location, anything can happen. If they have been in Groningen for the bell counting task, I'm going to kill myself, cause I was there that exact same day. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on August 29, 2012, 10:48:56 PM
The cast announcement today has shaken loose another sighting. From Facebook earlier today:

So glad the word is out. We met Josh and Brent on the Talgo Night Train to Paris in June when they were in the middle of racing and filming. Caroline and I will be watching on the 30th and cheering them on. Spoiler alert, when we met them there were four teams left!


I don't know if this is something we already knew or not, but it appears that the Beekman Boys are in the final four. They are getting one of the largest reactions on Twitter, so that will probably help ratings.  :tup: The fact that the Facebook poster doesn't mention other teams may be bad news for the Beekman Boys though.

Also, I'm not sure we ever nailed down which trains were used in France, so this may help with that.

Well, the general consensus is that Abby & Ryan and the twins were decoys, and that Chippendales, Lexi & Trey and the Beekmans are the final three.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Marionete on August 30, 2012, 05:21:25 AM
I think its the mud one. Remember Don doing it repeatdly? that is infamous!
Ooh, I hope it's the bell counting from TAR15 :}
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: MrDeerShank on August 30, 2012, 07:09:10 AM
I think its the mud one. Remember Don doing it repeatdly? that is infamous!
Ooh, I hope it's the bell counting from TAR15 :}

The bell counting one was quite frustrating, but at the same time, it had a definite answer, so that tells me they aren't gonna revisit it  :duno:

The mud detour option would be good though!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RaceUntilWeDie on August 30, 2012, 07:50:49 AM
The mud task was a Roadblock  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: MrDeerShank on August 30, 2012, 07:58:00 AM
The mud task was a Roadblock  :tup:

I meant the manure task, sorry  :-[ but yes, the mud pole vaulting task would be interesting to revisit!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Marionete on August 30, 2012, 01:12:35 PM
I think its the mud one. Remember Don doing it repeatdly? that is infamous!
Ooh, I hope it's the bell counting from TAR15 :}

The bell counting one was quite frustrating, but at the same time, it had a definite answer, so that tells me they aren't gonna revisit it  :duno:

The mud detour option would be good though!
Oh, right, I forgot about that...
Perhaps another belltower?.. lol  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on August 30, 2012, 04:59:33 PM
Which Netherlands Roadblock are they talking about?
- The TAR12 pole-jumping or the TAR15 bell-counting?

What am I missing?  :duno:
If it's either one of them, the TAR15 one would look more interesting, but the TAR12 one would cause muddiness  :lol:

Maybe they're taking task from other country? Because I don't think those tasks worth to be a Switchback... :duno:

And I don't believe it's gonna be the eel RB of TAR4. :( .
The most infamous Roadblock that comes up in my mind and can be happened anywhere in Europe is the haybales rolling task. However, I don't think that they would be repeating it again... :(

What about the windmill fast forward?

I mean they can make it a Roadblock

I wonder what this season's Switchback would be - S4 eel RB?

What about the choice "15 ft." of TAR4 Detour?:
"Teams has to dig barehanded through a 15 foot high pile of manure to find their next clue."  :o

Kamineko, they put the "shave your head" FF for the third time in TAR history last season; so don't take for granted that they wouldn't repeat it again.  :)

The written statement they have provided is "one of the more infamous ROADBLOCKs. I believe that the word "ROADBLOCK" eliminates any consideration of DETOURs being converted to ROADBLOCKs. There are only 3 prior ROADBLOCKs in Amazing Races in the Netherlands:

AR4- count and basket 25 live eels
AR12 - ditch-vaulting
AR15 - counting bells

There are obviously many differences of opinion on which of these might be worthy. However, my answer is emphatic: NONE OF THE ABOVE meets my standards for what a switchback should be. World Race Productions hopefully decided for Netherlands on a task much more interesting. We'll see.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on August 31, 2012, 08:12:36 AM
I think this is the right time to post this so you guys don't get too attached :(
I'm sure some have been suspecting this, but I'm 99.9% sure it's true. MAJOR SPOILER AHEAD
I believe the last team eliminated (4th place) is
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Natalie & Nadiya :'(
I have my reasons:
1. We have indications that they've made it to the F5/F4
2. We believe that they were racing as decoys in NYC (both of them were racing in the final Leg wearing slippers? Yeah right). Usually the decoy teams are the teams eliminated just before the F3.
3. My concrete evidence: a few days after filming wrapped up, one of the twins tweeted to the other, "still having bad dreams about France :(". We are pretty sure that France was the penultimate Leg, right? And saying that you had 'bad dreams about France' is basically confirming that you were eliminated in France. When I saw this tweet, I re-tweeted it on purpose so one of the twins would realise what a spoiler they were releasing and they would delete it. Funnily enough, I went back later so print screen the tweet, and it was GONE!
If you look at all my statements, it all fits together and makes sense. Just be glad that we will be able to see an FF team race through 11 Legs!  :yess:
With that being said, here is my boot order speculation for this season:
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1st - Jaymes & James
2nd - Trey & Lexi
3rd - Brent & Josh
4th - Natalie & Nadiya
5th - Abbie & Ryan
6th - James & Abba
7th - Rob & Kelley
8th - Gary & Will
9th - Caitlin & Brittany
10th - Amy & Daniel
11th - Rob & Sheila
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Magnus on August 31, 2012, 12:28:59 PM
I agree with pretty much all of that, supah3ro, it seems pretty obvious from the NYC pictures that those teams were running decoy.

I don't tend to agree that the James' won because it seems like the other two F3 teams could have been ahead of them which is why they were not sighted. But I can't prove that either.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Magnus on August 31, 2012, 12:33:53 PM
I don't believe that one of those three Netherlands roadblocks is going to be repeated. It would be odd to have a Switchback in a different location but those three choices just don't fit the description.

IMO a third time around with the haybales would be really lame...

To me the most infamous RB of all time is the TAR7 Leg 3 eating task or the TAR 15 Leg 11 ringing phones.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on August 31, 2012, 01:01:01 PM
Which Netherlands Roadblock are they talking about?
- The TAR12 pole-jumping or the TAR15 bell-counting?

What am I missing?  :duno:
If it's either one of them, the TAR15 one would look more interesting, but the TAR12 one would cause muddiness  :lol:

Maybe they're taking task from other country? Because I don't think those tasks worth to be a Switchback... :duno:

And I don't believe it's gonna be the eel RB of TAR4. :( .
The most infamous Roadblock that comes up in my mind and can be happened anywhere in Europe is the haybales rolling task. However, I don't think that they would be repeating it again... :(

What about the windmill fast forward?

I mean they can make it a Roadblock

I wonder what this season's Switchback would be - S4 eel RB?

What about the choice "15 ft." of TAR4 Detour?:
"Teams has to dig barehanded through a 15 foot high pile of manure to find their next clue."  :o

Kamineko, they put the "shave your head" FF for the third time in TAR history last season; so don't take for granted that they wouldn't repeat it again.  :)

The written statement they have provided is "one of the more infamous ROADBLOCKs. I believe that the word "ROADBLOCK" eliminates any consideration of DETOURs being converted to ROADBLOCKs. There are only 3 prior ROADBLOCKs in Amazing Races in the Netherlands:

AR4- count and basket 25 live eels
AR12 - ditch-vaulting
AR15 - counting bells

There are obviously many differences of opinion on which of these might be worthy. However, my answer is emphatic: NONE OF THE ABOVE meets my standards for what a switchback should be. World Race Productions hopefully decided for Netherlands on a task much more interesting. We'll see.

Maybe because of Donald doing it in his underwear?  :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on August 31, 2012, 01:02:35 PM
I don't believe that one of those three Netherlands roadblocks is going to be repeated. It would be odd to have a Switchback in a different location but those three choices just don't fit the description.


The cast release is very clear that we will though.

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Teams will travel through three continents, nine countries and cover more than 25,000 miles, where they’ll be faced with a 10-story rappel in Los Angeles, frying an egg on their heads in Indonesia, working as “rat collectors” in Bangladesh and revisiting one of the Race’s most infamous Roadblocks in the Netherlands in this season’s “Switchback.”   
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on August 31, 2012, 01:09:09 PM
Bangladesh RAT problem:

http://one.wfp.org/bangladeshSiteTest/?NodeID=42&k=112
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Magnus on August 31, 2012, 01:23:40 PM
I don't believe that one of those three Netherlands roadblocks is going to be repeated. It would be odd to have a Switchback in a different location but those three choices just don't fit the description.


The cast release is very clear that we will though.

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Teams will travel through three continents, nine countries and cover more than 25,000 miles, where they’ll be faced with a 10-story rappel in Los Angeles, frying an egg on their heads in Indonesia, working as “rat collectors” in Bangladesh and revisiting one of the Race’s most infamous Roadblocks in the Netherlands in this season’s “Switchback.”   

I think those can be taken as two different statements. Like this:

1.revisiting one of the Race’s most infamous Roadblocks 2. in the Netherlands

I could be wrong, but if it is one of those three then they are way off about it being one of the most infamous roadblocks.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on August 31, 2012, 01:52:04 PM
I don't agree, I think it needs to be taken at face value for now.

And I loved the muddy ditch jump. Also loved the cheese haul and the manure, but yes, I know they aren't roadblocks.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kevin2012 on August 31, 2012, 02:31:32 PM
The muddy ditch jump was  a lot of fun to watch, but I don't think it can be considered "infamous" unless people falling in mud is such a huge deal.

 :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on August 31, 2012, 02:59:12 PM
Well, we all know CBS does exaggerate just a WEE bit! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Tarfan37 on August 31, 2012, 06:22:02 PM
I believe it might be the bell counting one because the clue referenced s1's lenny talk about a switch back to a switchback of a s1 challenge
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on September 01, 2012, 01:03:01 AM
I believe it might be the bell counting one because the clue referenced s1's lenny talk about a switch back to a switchback of a s1 challenge

You lost me??
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on September 02, 2012, 02:02:57 AM
Thanks to yykris,A cluebox spotted in Moscow
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/weihen/6cae7a10jw1dtuhu0cxq6j_.jpg)
A girl found a young M/F team doing a task about unlock(pretty look like RB in Xi'An leg,S6)...and later she saw a middle-aged M/M team arriving
Never really looked into this  :(
The only famous place in Moscow where this could take place is a bridge on the Vodootvodny Canal
These 'iron trees' are layered with love padlocks, just like the location in TAR6 in Xi'an
Here's a photo of one of the trees in Moscow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moscow-love-padlocks.jpg
^ Notice the tiles formation in the above link is the same as in the photo of the spotted clue box, but that could just be a coincidence...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on September 02, 2012, 05:44:32 AM
Looks good!! Thanks!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on September 04, 2012, 12:44:20 PM
Just spec. but could Latvia be the location after Moscow?????????????? :future :future :future :future
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ianthebalance on September 04, 2012, 01:26:44 PM
Just spec. but could Latvia be the location after Moscow?????????????? :future :future :future :future

 :lol3: I just posted speculation about that idea in the TAR Route thread.


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Re: TAR21 Route

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I think Leg 8 will be Latvia.
1. Its a new country, which every season has had so far.
2. I think they put the 2-leg countries early so they wont have to do them while in europe. Yet, to make it easy for production to stay ahead of teams, neighboring countries like Russia/Latvia and Spain/France would make sense. Just speculation though .
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ianthebalance on September 04, 2012, 01:28:12 PM
Just spec. but could Latvia be the location after Moscow?????????????? :future :future :future :future

 :lol3: I just posted speculation about that idea in the TAR Route thread.


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Re: TAR21 Route

« Reply #43 on: Today at 01:25:11 PM »

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I think Leg 8 will be Latvia.
1. Its a new country, which every season has had so far.
2. I think they put the 2-leg countries early so they wont have to do them while in europe. Yet, to make it easy for production to stay ahead of teams, neighboring countries like Russia/Latvia and Spain/France would make sense. Just speculation though .

Also, that is a simular setup to Season 10. China/Mongolia, Mauritius/Madagascar, Spain/France.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Air on September 04, 2012, 06:24:17 PM
Going off the beaten path (a bit) here, but is it possible they go to Armenia? We've got Latvia, Bulgaria, Slovakia and Slovenia, so why not Armenia? It's not going too far out of the way.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selfeviction on September 04, 2012, 11:21:29 PM
I think the season will go like this
Leg 1 - Rob & Sheila Eliminated 11th
Leg 2 - Amy & Daniel Eliminated 10th
Leg 3 - James & Abba Eliminated 9th
Leg 4 - Gary & Will Eliminated 8th
Leg 5 - NEL
Leg 6 - Rob & Kelley Eliminated 7th
Leg 7 - NEL
Leg 8 - Brittany & Caitlin Eliminated 6th
Leg 9 - Double Leg
Leg 10 - Ryan & Abbie Eliminated 5th
Leg 11 - Nadiya & Natalie Eliminated 4th
Leg 12 - Final Three:
              . Trey & Lexie
              . Jaymes & James
              . Josh & Brent
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on September 04, 2012, 11:24:32 PM
I just don't have the impression that they'd be able to squeeze in travel to another country at that point in the Race. IMHO, it's either a second leg in Russia to fly out through Moscow, or in the Netherlands.
Don't forget they have to be able to get Phil ahead of the teams and an additional country would probably use more time than is likely unaccounted for.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ianthebalance on September 04, 2012, 11:26:02 PM
I just don't have the impression that they'd be able to squeeze in travel to another country at that point in the Race. IMHO, it's either a second leg in Russia to fly out through Moscow, or in the Netherlands.
Don't forget they have to be able to get Phil ahead of the teams and an additional country would probably use more time than is likely unaccounted for.

They did it in Season 10.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on September 05, 2012, 12:52:26 AM
They had more filming time in season 10 as they were filming 13 legs still/

You've got to look at the timeline of when and where the teams are known to be and how much time needs to be accounted for with a leg 8. It takes more time to film in another country for one leg, than to stay in a country and film for two legs back-to-back, probably with a real short pit stop. It's a question of logistics and production time, and Phil's as well as the teams.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on September 05, 2012, 01:30:44 AM
I just don't have the impression that they'd be able to squeeze in travel to another country at that point in the Race. IMHO, it's either a second leg in Russia to fly out through Moscow, or in the Netherlands.
Don't forget they have to be able to get Phil ahead of the teams and an additional country would probably use more time than is likely unaccounted for.

Teams were seen in front of the Bolshoi Theater at ~10pm on June 8th. They were not seen again till ~10am on June 11th in front of the Amsterdam Central Train Station. That is about 58 hours of missing time. Figure in two 12 hour pit stops and that leaves about 34 hours to run a leg and travel from Moscow to Amsterdam. Of course the pit stops could be shorter, but just using 12 hours as a marker.

1) How did they get to the Amsterdam Central Train station? I am under the impression that they arrived by train, but from where.....Schipol Airport or somewhere else? Schipol is a major hub for Northwest/Delta. This means lots of Americans, especially in June, yet not one word about anyone seeing them there.

2) If they came from somewhere in Holland other than Schipol,  where was it? Well some  possibliities..northeastern Holland in the Groningen area or southwestern Holland in the Rotterdam/den Hague area, southeastern Holland at Eindhoven. All have international airports with connections to different places in eastern europe. Bremen, Germany has a large airport just to the east of Holland and teams could have transited to locations in eastern Holland from there. This could represent a 2nd leg in Holland, before teams were observed in Amsterdam.

3) Moscow direct to Schipol. There could have been a 2nd leg in the vicinity of Moscow on June 9/10 and then fly directly to Amsterdam and they were just not seen at Schipol on June 11,but later at Amsterdam Central Train station.

4) 34 hours is plenty of time to travel to a 3rd country in central/eastern Europe and run a leg and get to Holland.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on September 05, 2012, 09:14:33 AM
I just don't have the impression that they'd be able to squeeze in travel to another country at that point in the Race. IMHO, it's either a second leg in Russia to fly out through Moscow, or in the Netherlands.
Don't forget they have to be able to get Phil ahead of the teams and an additional country would probably use more time than is likely unaccounted for.

Teams were seen in front of the Bolshoi Theater at ~10pm on June 8th. They were not seen again till ~10am on June 11th in front of the Amsterdam Central Train Station. That is about 58 hours of missing time. Figure in two 12 hour pit stops and that leaves about 34 hours to run a leg and travel from Moscow to Amsterdam. Of course the pit stops could be shorter, but just using 12 hours as a marker.

1) How did they get to the Amsterdam Central Train station? I am under the impression that they arrived by train, but from where.....Schipol Airport or somewhere else? Schipol is a major hub for Northwest/Delta. This means lots of Americans, especially in June, yet not one word about anyone seeing them there.

2) If they came from somewhere in Holland other than Schipol,  where was it? Well some  possibliities..northeastern Holland in the Groningen area or southwestern Holland in the Rotterdam/den Hague area, southeastern Holland at Eindhoven. All have international airports with connections to different places in eastern europe. Bremen, Germany has a large airport just to the east of Holland and teams could have transited to locations in eastern Holland from there. This could represent a 2nd leg in Holland, before teams were observed in Amsterdam.

3) Moscow direct to Schipol. There could have been a 2nd leg in the vicinity of Moscow on June 9/10 and then fly directly to Amsterdam and they were just not seen at Schipol on June 11,but later at Amsterdam Central Train station.

4) 34 hours is plenty of time to travel to a 3rd country in central/eastern Europe and run a leg and get to Holland.

That's an strange coincidence, but Groningen is the same city where the Martinitoren is placed.  The Martinitoren is the tower of the RB in TAR15.

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/250px-Martini_Toren.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on September 05, 2012, 01:03:23 PM
I just don't have the impression that they'd be able to squeeze in travel to another country at that point in the Race. IMHO, it's either a second leg in Russia to fly out through Moscow, or in the Netherlands.
Don't forget they have to be able to get Phil ahead of the teams and an additional country would probably use more time than is likely unaccounted for.

Teams were seen in front of the Bolshoi Theater at ~10pm on June 8th. They were not seen again till ~10am on June 11th in front of the Amsterdam Central Train Station. That is about 58 hours of missing time. Figure in two 12 hour pit stops and that leaves about 34 hours to run a leg and travel from Moscow to Amsterdam. Of course the pit stops could be shorter, but just using 12 hours as a marker.

1) How did they get to the Amsterdam Central Train station? I am under the impression that they arrived by train, but from where.....Schipol Airport or somewhere else? Schipol is a major hub for Northwest/Delta. This means lots of Americans, especially in June, yet not one word about anyone seeing them there.

2) If they came from somewhere in Holland other than Schipol,  where was it? Well some  possibliities..northeastern Holland in the Groningen area or southwestern Holland in the Rotterdam/den Hague area, southeastern Holland at Eindhoven. All have international airports with connections to different places in eastern europe. Bremen, Germany has a large airport just to the east of Holland and teams could have transited to locations in eastern Holland from there. This could represent a 2nd leg in Holland, before teams were observed in Amsterdam.

3) Moscow direct to Schipol. There could have been a 2nd leg in the vicinity of Moscow on June 9/10 and then fly directly to Amsterdam and they were just not seen at Schipol on June 11,but later at Amsterdam Central Train station.

4) 34 hours is plenty of time to travel to a 3rd country in central/eastern Europe and run a leg and get to Holland.

Does anyone have timings for the sightings in Amsterdam, especially at Central Station? I managed to snag @SNKRFRK's tweet at 12.29pm local time, but I don't have an Instagram account so I'm not sure if you can get times off the photos.

But if teams were spotted just past noon, it seems like they wouldn't have just got off a plane from Moscow. The direct flights from Moscow to Amsterdam are 0535-0655 and 1045-1215 (actual arrival 1231), meaning the times don't jive with an arrival at Schiphol at 11am-noon. Connecting flights might work, but it means teams were risking very tight connection times (an hour or so) to make it on a flight to Amsterdam.

This opens up the possibility for other places for Leg 8! But neither St Petersburg nor the Baltic states work for these timings. It'd help a lot if we knew exactly when teams were at Central Station!

Ok, someone has to say it, even if it sounds crazy; but what if we're wrong about the missing leg?  We took for granted that it was in Russia or close to it.  What if our missing leg is in the Netherlands?  Just a spec...  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on September 05, 2012, 06:48:30 PM
About the non logical choice of the TAR15 RB as a switchback because the answer is already known...

Did anybody remember the number of the pickets teams had to count to complete the Detour of the Leg in Lithuania on TAR12?
Did anybody remember the number of steps of the stone stair teams had to count to complete the Detour of the Leg in Salvador, Brazil, on TAR13?
Did anybody remember the number of statues at the temple teams had to count to complete the RB of the second Leg in Indonesia of TAR19?

Do it with the pressure of the race - the Netherlands are on the second half of the race, so any mistake make a difference -, and we could easily chose it over the other two.
I don't know why, but when I think of this, always this quote pops:

Dan:  "They do this one season and one person do it for eight hours"
Sam:  "Why on earth would you tell me that right now?"

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on September 08, 2012, 08:41:31 PM
Thanks to yykris,A cluebox spotted in Moscow
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/weihen/6cae7a10jw1dtuhu0cxq6j_.jpg)
A girl found a young M/F team doing a task about unlock(pretty look like RB in Xi'An leg,S6)...and later she saw a middle-aged M/M team arriving
Now this could be the DUMBEST theory ever, but listen up.
weihen told us that the source said it looked like the TAR6 RB in Xi’an but it was in Moscow, Russia
This could be just me, but I think that is definitely one of the most infamous Roadblocks in TAR history.

My point is, do you think it’s possible that the ‘infamous switchback in the Netherlands’ could be a dodgy CBS misprint and is supposed to be ‘infamous switchback in Russia’?

Also, the press release did not say whether this switchback Roadblock previously took place in the Netherlands last time it appeared CMIIW
So it could be an RB from any country but it’s re-appearing in the Netherlands

IDK, just putting this out there because I don’t think any of the RBs we’ve had in the Netherlands are infamous nor memorable, except TAR12’s, I remember watching that :lol3:

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on September 09, 2012, 07:13:10 PM
This shot was taken between 3:15 and 3:25 pm (assumes June 16th).

(https://instagr.am/p/L8liqFO5O2/media/?size=l)

And this shot was taken between 4:12 and 4:34 (assumes June 16th).

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2021/Pre-race%20Be%20Amazing%20vid/21-spvid-cap17.jpg)

I'd say the bungee jump at the Navy Yard follows the task at Coney Island.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on September 09, 2012, 09:37:12 PM
Could one do a task at Coney Island and then even get to the Navy Yard in 40 minutes??  ??? There would need to be some safety stuff before a bungy, right? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on September 09, 2012, 10:37:23 PM
Could one do a task at Coney Island and then even get to the Navy Yard in 40 minutes??  ??? There would need to be some safety stuff before a bungy, right? :duno:

Too many variables, Peach.  Did they complet whatever they were doing fast? Did they have a taxi waiting for them? (I guess they did) There was too much traffic between both places? If they travel by taxi, did the driver know where to go? (you know the TAR classic as much as I am, always one F3 team has cab issues) Did the people on the Bungee work fast?  :gaah:  As I said, too many variables.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on September 10, 2012, 08:48:51 AM
Since you asked me to do some research about the Martinitoren in Groningen, I had send an e-mail to the Martinitoren. Someone sended me this back, so I can tell you that they haven't visited Groningen the days the race went to the Netherlands:

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Goedemorgen meneer Meinderts,

Ik heb in onze agenda gekeken welke verhuringen in juni hebben plaatsgevonden, maar vind daaronder geen Amerikaanse spelshow.
Misschien kunt u iets duidelijker aangeven wat men in de Martinikerk deed of de naam van de spelshow?

Mijn aanvullende vraag is wat is de achtergrond van uw verzoek om meer informatie?

Een hartelijke groet vanuit de Martini van Tini

Tini de Haan, secretaresse van het bestuur van de
Stichting Martinikerk Groningen

Martinikerk: Ruimte voor Inspiratie
Martinikerkhof 3
9712 JG Groningen

t: 050 3111 277
w: www.martinikerk.nl

Translation:

Good morning Mr. Meinderts,

I have looked in the agenda for the rentals of June, and I haven't found any rentals of an American game show. Maybe you can be a little more specific what they did in the Martinikerk or the name of the show?

My additional question is what the background is behind this request?

Sincerely,

So we can assume that it was either the eel or the ditch vault RB.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on September 10, 2012, 12:23:45 PM
Could one do a task at Coney Island and then even get to the Navy Yard in 40 minutes??  ??? There would need to be some safety stuff before a bungy, right? :duno:
Peach,

I will give you a different answer than Alanevada. If this were a weekday or if the direction of travel you asked about were in a different direction, then probably he is right about too complex. However, June 16 was a Saturday and except from the western part of the Belt Parkway to Coney Island it should have had reasonable traffic. The drive from Kennedy Airport to Coney Island is 15 minutes. The task itself is the unknown as it would have to be very quick. From Coney Island up to the Belt Parkway to the Brooklyn Queens Expressway to the Brooklyn Navy Yard is slightly under 30 minutes.

So, could it be done in 40 minutes? Highly unlikely with the task time at Coney Island added in. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on September 10, 2012, 01:25:30 PM
Could one do a task at Coney Island and then even get to the Navy Yard in 40 minutes??  ??? There would need to be some safety stuff before a bungy, right? :duno:
Peach,

I will give you a different answer than Alanevada. If this were a weekday or if the direction of travel you asked about were in a different direction, then probably he is right about too complex. However, June 16 was a Saturday and except from the western part of the Belt Parkway to Coney Island it should have had reasonable traffic. The drive from Kennedy Airport to Coney Island is 15 minutes. The task itself is the unknown as it would have to be very quick. From Coney Island up to the Belt Parkway to the Brooklyn Queens Expressway to the Brooklyn Navy Yard is slightly under 30 minutes.

So, could it be done in 40 minutes? Highly unlikely with the task time at Coney Island added in. 
Could one do a task at Coney Island and then even get to the Navy Yard in 40 minutes??  ??? There would need to be some safety stuff before a bungy, right? :duno:
Peach,

I will give you a different answer than Alanevada. If this were a weekday or if the direction of travel you asked about were in a different direction, then probably he is right about too complex. However, June 16 was a Saturday and except from the western part of the Belt Parkway to Coney Island it should have had reasonable traffic. The drive from Kennedy Airport to Coney Island is 15 minutes. The task itself is the unknown as it would have to be very quick. From Coney Island up to the Belt Parkway to the Brooklyn Queens Expressway to the Brooklyn Navy Yard is slightly under 30 minutes.

So, could it be done in 40 minutes? Highly unlikely with the task time at Coney Island added in.

Apskip, in fact you're providing answers to one of my questions.

There was too much traffic between both places?
June 16 was a Saturday and except from the western part of the Belt Parkway to Coney Island it should have had reasonable traffic. From Coney Island up to the Belt Parkway to the Brooklyn Queens Expressway to the Brooklyn Navy Yard is slightly under 30 minutes. (I did a little Google Map research after my post, and according to GM the estimated time is 26 minutes)

And you agree with me that the key factor on this is the time, and how much of it they spend on doing the unknown task at Coney Island.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on September 10, 2012, 05:27:27 PM
Since you asked me to do some research about the Martinitoren in Groningen, I had send an e-mail to the Martinitoren. Someone sended me this back, so I can tell you that they haven't visited Groningen the days the race went to the Netherlands:

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Goedemorgen meneer Meinderts,

Ik heb in onze agenda gekeken welke verhuringen in juni hebben plaatsgevonden, maar vind daaronder geen Amerikaanse spelshow.
Misschien kunt u iets duidelijker aangeven wat men in de Martinikerk deed of de naam van de spelshow?

Mijn aanvullende vraag is wat is de achtergrond van uw verzoek om meer informatie?

Een hartelijke groet vanuit de Martini van Tini

Tini de Haan, secretaresse van het bestuur van de
Stichting Martinikerk Groningen

Martinikerk: Ruimte voor Inspiratie
Martinikerkhof 3
9712 JG Groningen

t: 050 3111 277
w: www.martinikerk.nl

Translation:

Good morning Mr. Meinderts,

I have looked in the agenda for the rentals of June, and I haven't found any rentals of an American game show. Maybe you can be a little more specific what they did in the Martinikerk or the name of the show?

My additional question is what the background is behind this request?

Sincerely,

So we can assume that it was either the eel or the ditch vault RB.

Thanks a bunch, addie!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ianthebalance on September 10, 2012, 09:49:53 PM
Since you asked me to do some research about the Martinitoren in Groningen, I had send an e-mail to the Martinitoren. Someone sended me this back, so I can tell you that they haven't visited Groningen the days the race went to the Netherlands:

Quote
Goedemorgen meneer Meinderts,

Ik heb in onze agenda gekeken welke verhuringen in juni hebben plaatsgevonden, maar vind daaronder geen Amerikaanse spelshow.
Misschien kunt u iets duidelijker aangeven wat men in de Martinikerk deed of de naam van de spelshow?

Mijn aanvullende vraag is wat is de achtergrond van uw verzoek om meer informatie?

Een hartelijke groet vanuit de Martini van Tini

Tini de Haan, secretaresse van het bestuur van de
Stichting Martinikerk Groningen

Martinikerk: Ruimte voor Inspiratie
Martinikerkhof 3
9712 JG Groningen

t: 050 3111 277
w: www.martinikerk.nl

Translation:

Good morning Mr. Meinderts,

I have looked in the agenda for the rentals of June, and I haven't found any rentals of an American game show. Maybe you can be a little more specific what they did in the Martinikerk or the name of the show?

My additional question is what the background is behind this request?

Sincerely,

So we can assume that it was either the eel or the ditch vault RB.

Please be the ditch vault roadblock :hearts: (most entertaining roadblock in the netherlands)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: walkingpneumonia on September 11, 2012, 02:29:03 PM
Tyler Watson ‏@trexwatson

Amazing race... Spotted http://instagr.am/p/L8liqFO5O2/

(https://instagr.am/p/L8liqFO5O2/media/?size=l)

^On Coney Island

I think they are trying to estimate the size of the Hamburger   :lol:

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/47201822.jpg)

Or how much beer it would take to fill the mug at the Brooklyn Brewery?
... this is just speculation ...
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb365/walkingpneumonia/brooklynbrewery.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: couchracer on September 11, 2012, 04:05:51 PM
I remember the ditch vault and Grandpa Donald getting down to his skivvies (or further he said).
I also remember the two poker playing girls not being able to finish the golf or ring the bell.
Really tough with swimming in between.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kevin2012 on September 19, 2012, 03:28:41 PM
I remember the ditch vault and Grandpa Donald getting down to his skivvies (or further he said).
I also remember the two poker playing girls not being able to finish the golf or ring the bell.
Really tough with swimming in between.

Maybe they'll put a twist on that challenge, cuz I could really see that coming.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on September 19, 2012, 03:40:33 PM
I remember the ditch vault and Grandpa Donald getting down to his skivvies (or further he said).
I also remember the two poker playing girls not being able to finish the golf or ring the bell.
Really tough with swimming in between.

Maybe they'll put a twist on that challenge, cuz I could really see that coming.

In the hay bales switchback there was a change.  In Season 6, teams had to find their next clue; but in Season 15, they had to find a race flag to complete the RB and proceed to the PitStop.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ianthebalance on September 19, 2012, 05:45:31 PM
I remember the ditch vault and Grandpa Donald getting down to his skivvies (or further he said).
I also remember the two poker playing girls not being able to finish the golf or ring the bell.
Really tough with swimming in between.

Maybe they'll put a twist on that challenge, cuz I could really see that coming.

I agree. I bet they will do the ditch vault one, buthave to jump it multiple times.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on September 22, 2012, 04:05:03 AM
We got a title!  :hoot:  :hoot:  :hoot:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RaceUntilWeDie on September 22, 2012, 06:34:12 AM
I don't know about you all, but that's kind of a disappointing title  :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on September 22, 2012, 08:02:09 AM
RaceUntilWe Die,

I disagree with your assessment. In 3 words CBS has captured the essence of the first leg of AR21. A team must win it in order to take their prize money, assuming that they win AR21, from $1,000,000 to $2,000,000. Only the team doing so will have that possibility, so the pressure to win the first leg will be unbelievable.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on September 22, 2012, 11:18:51 AM
We got a title!  :hoot:  :hoot:  :hoot:

YAY!! Thank you!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on September 22, 2012, 05:00:22 PM
RaceUntilWe Die,

I disagree with your assessment. In 3 words CBS has captured the essence of the first leg of AR21. A team must win it in order to take their prize money, assuming that they win AR21, from $1,000,000 to $2,000,000. Only the team doing so will have that possibility, so the pressure to win the first leg will be unbelievable.

I don't know about you all, but that's kind of a disappointing title  :groan:

I'm with RaceUntilWeDie. I personally like title quotes that are humorous or funny, but everyone has personal opinions.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Cocoa on September 22, 2012, 05:15:49 PM
Episode Quotes' main purpose is to compress the essence of an episode using just a few words. Having a funny line is just a bonus. :tup:

(http://i.imgur.com/9PkTg.png)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: couchracer on September 22, 2012, 05:40:41 PM
The title is all about marketing, but will it increase ratings?
I'll watch for sure. I am addicted.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ianthebalance on September 22, 2012, 06:12:39 PM
I like the episode title :hearts:! It is perfect for the $2 million twist. It sounds like a Phil quote.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on September 27, 2012, 06:25:02 PM
Anyway, based on CBS website, we got episode title quote for Episode 2. It's Long Hair, Don't Care. :hearts:

The Amazing Race 21 Episode 2
(http://i.imgur.com/baBW6.png)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on September 27, 2012, 06:27:51 PM
Guess LoveRocked has found it first :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: bobnlori on September 29, 2012, 10:00:49 AM
the title says it all. In all the previous races the team that finished first in the first leg won the race 6 times, Rob/Brennan, Tyler/James, Nick/Starr, Meghan/Cheyne, Ernie/Cindy and Rachel/Dave and the team that finished second won 3 times BJ/Tyler, Tammy/Victor and Nan and Kat
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on September 29, 2012, 12:00:36 PM
Phil: "I'll just say it had hilarious results the first time."

Not the bell counting in Groningen
Not the eels
This has to be, if it was a ROADBLOCK, the ditch-vaulting in an Amsterdam suburb


Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on September 29, 2012, 12:21:01 PM
Phil: "I'll just say it had hilarious results the first time."

Not the bell counting in Groningen
Not the eels
This has to be, it it was a ROADBLOCK, the ditch-vaulting in an Amsterdam suburb

Hey, Apskip, did you remember this?

Which Netherlands Roadblock are they talking about?
- The TAR12 pole-jumping or the TAR15 bell-counting?

What am I missing?  :duno:
If it's either one of them, the TAR15 one would look more interesting, but the TAR12 one would cause muddiness  :lol:

Maybe they're taking task from other country? Because I don't think those tasks worth to be a Switchback... :duno:

And I don't believe it's gonna be the eel RB of TAR4. :( .
The most infamous Roadblock that comes up in my mind and can be happened anywhere in Europe is the haybales rolling task. However, I don't think that they would be repeating it again... :(

What about the windmill fast forward?

I mean they can make it a Roadblock

I wonder what this season's Switchback would be - S4 eel RB?

What about the choice "15 ft." of TAR4 Detour?:
"Teams has to dig barehanded through a 15 foot high pile of manure to find their next clue."  :o

Kamineko, they put the "shave your head" FF for the third time in TAR history last season; so don't take for granted that they wouldn't repeat it again.  :)

The written statement they have provided is "one of the more infamous ROADBLOCKs. I believe that the word "ROADBLOCK" eliminates any consideration of DETOURs being converted to ROADBLOCKs. There are only 3 prior ROADBLOCKs in Amazing Races in the Netherlands:

AR4- count and basket 25 live eels
AR12 - ditch-vaulting
AR15 - counting bells

There are obviously many differences of opinion on which of these might be worthy. However, my answer is emphatic: NONE OF THE ABOVE meets my standards for what a switchback should be. World Race Productions hopefully decided for Netherlands on a task much more interesting. We'll see.

Maybe because of Donald doing it in his underwear?  :lol3:

 :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on September 29, 2012, 09:44:59 PM
  O. M. G  :faint:

We KNOW that this is not true! :lol:

Locations start 1:25
Pasadena
China
Indonesia
Bangladesh
New Country in Africa WTH?
New country in Europe WTH?
back to USA

Perhaps Phil had a brain :fart and was thinking Malawi? ???

And last time I looked, Mallorca IS not a country.  :groan:

http://www.youtube.com/v/e_0_EYGSIfs?version=3&amp;hl
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on September 29, 2012, 10:15:08 PM
  O. M. G  :faint:

We KNOW that this is not true! :lol:

Locations start 1:25
Pasadena
China
Indonesia
Bangladesh
New Country in Africa WTH?
New country in Europe WTH?
back to USA

Perhaps Phil had a brain :fart and was thinking Malawi? ???

And last time I looked, Mallorca IS not a country. :groan:

http://www.youtube.com/v/e_0_EYGSIfs?version=3&amp;hl

Well, Peach, with all this thing of Catalunya asking for separate from Spain..., I don't know, maybe Phil can see the future  :lol:.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on September 29, 2012, 10:30:40 PM
...or something!

I would have given anything for a new or even old country in Africa this time...but sadly, it is not to be.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on September 30, 2012, 12:27:00 AM
Peach, OTOH, it raises the odds of an African country for TAR 22. Until the uproar over that bad idea of a film clip being posted on YouTube, I would have thought with civilian elected governments now installed in Egypt, Libya, and Tunisia, there might be a chance it could be one of those, but the uprest makes me doubt that will happen before next year at the earliest.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on September 30, 2012, 12:33:41 AM
  O. M. G  :faint:

We KNOW that this is not true! :lol:

Locations start 1:25
Pasadena
China
Indonesia
Bangladesh
New Country in Africa WTH?
New country in Europe WTH?
back to USA

Perhaps Phil had a brain :fart and was thinking Malawi? ???

And last time I looked, Mallorca IS not a country.  :groan:

http://www.youtube.com/v/e_0_EYGSIfs?version=3&amp;hl

Swapping Thailand for Bangladesh,  it seems he time-warped back to season 19?   :duno:

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on September 30, 2012, 03:17:46 AM
I'm trying to think of a way that this could be possible, and I just can't! We know that teams were in 'Bangladesh' for around 3-4 days without being sighted. But any new countries would put us over the already stated total of 9!

Phil is great with his geography, and I doubt very much he would have made two mistakes there. Why did he say that?!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on September 30, 2012, 07:12:47 AM
Categorically, WE know this is NOT true, not possible.

But Phil is entitled, he almost never makes an error, but I did do doubletake and the fastest rewind "did I hear that" ever!! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on September 30, 2012, 12:21:21 PM
Quote
"There is also something that comes up that many of the teams and the audience would have seen on the show before," he continues. "Something that's historic in the history of the race and we decided to bring it back."

Hmmm. It could be Phil is talking about something other than the Switchback task; maybe an Intersection? We haven't seen one of those in a while, it is something in the history of the Race. Or perhaps an no-pitstop leg that keeps the teams going into the second leg?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on September 30, 2012, 12:35:48 PM
Quote
"There is also something that comes up that many of the teams and the audience would have seen on the show before," he continues. "Something that's historic in the history of the race and we decided to bring it back."

Hmmm. It could be Phil is talking about something other than the Switchback task; maybe an Intersection? We haven't seen one of those in a while, it is something in the history of the Race. Or perhaps an no-pitstop leg that keeps the teams going into the second leg?

We don't have many historical buried twists to bring back from the past.  The simple U-Turn, the Yield, the 30 minutes penalty...  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on September 30, 2012, 05:06:02 PM
I don't recall anyone from the race revealing that much information in advance. EVER.
 seems odd.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on September 30, 2012, 05:46:43 PM
Alanevada,

What I think is not as important as what Phil 's frame of reference is. Even though nothing has changed in my assessment that NONE of the 3 Netherlands ROADBLOCKS are "infamous" Phil's reference this time was to hilarious. Nobody could argue that counting bells is either infamous or hilarious. Counting eels is not infamous and it is not very hilarious. The ditch vault is not infamous in any respect and I do not see it as hilarious, but it could be viewed as hilarious by Phil.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on September 30, 2012, 08:35:34 PM
I will say that I hadn't expected the season preview aired at the end of the episode tonight to confirm by the use of a clip that one team makes it to the last few legs, by using a location long time viewers ought to recognize.

Those of you who were paying attention will know exactly what I'm referring to.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: BitchBitch on September 30, 2012, 09:00:17 PM
I will say that I hadn't expected the season preview aired at the end of the episode tonight to confirm by the use of a clip that one team makes it to the last few legs, by using a location long time viewers ought to recognize.

Those of you who were paying attention will know exactly what I'm referring to.
Chippendales!!!!!!!! :<3 :hrt: :hoot:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on September 30, 2012, 09:11:11 PM
  O. M. G  :faint:

We KNOW that this is not true! :lol:

Locations start 1:25
Pasadena
China
Indonesia
Bangladesh
New Country in Africa WTH?
New country in Europe WTH?
back to USA

Perhaps Phil had a brain :fart and was thinking Malawi? ???

And last time I looked, Mallorca IS not a country.  :groan:

http://www.youtube.com/v/e_0_EYGSIfs?version=3&amp;hl


I believe after looking at the trailer with scenes from presumably every leg or at least country in AR21 that Africa may have been included. From Bangladesh perhaps teams did not go directly to Istanbul.

What if they stopped in the Seychelles? What about Grand Baie in Mauritius? It looked a lot like the sailboat scene shown.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Air on September 30, 2012, 09:22:03 PM
I don't get how they are going to get flights out of Bangladesh to Africa. The only way would be a Dhaka - Singapore - Johannesburg - Africa route or a Dhaka - Dubai - Africa route, but both South African Airways and Emirates barely operate those routes at all.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on September 30, 2012, 09:31:34 PM
There is NO Africa. We HAVE our 9 countries accounted for.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on September 30, 2012, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: apskip
It looked a lot like the sailboat scene shown
It's La Palma: compare with the photo here (http://www.mytripolog.com/2012/06/vacation-on-la-palma-canary-island-spain/la-palma-canary-islands-spain/) (one image or the other has been flipped, but you get the idea).
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on September 30, 2012, 10:10:25 PM
Quote from: apskip
It looked a lot like the sailboat scene shown
It's La Palma: compare with the photo here (http://www.mytripolog.com/2012/06/vacation-on-la-palma-canary-island-spain/la-palma-canary-islands-spain/) (one image or the other has been flipped, but you get the idea).

Close, but no.  Your pic is from La Palma, in the Canary Island on the Atlantic Ocean.  TAR21 was in Palma de Mallorca, in the Baleares Islands, on the Mediterranean Sea.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on September 30, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
IIRC, Didn't Phil say on the start line that there were 12 legs, 9 countries and 3 continents....I've never heard him mention such at the start line before.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on September 30, 2012, 10:29:30 PM
Intro and preview caps can be discussed in those 2 threads now if you would like?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Topita on September 30, 2012, 10:55:11 PM
I will say that I hadn't expected the season preview aired at the end of the episode tonight to confirm by the use of a clip that one team makes it to the last few legs, by using a location long time viewers ought to recognize.

Those of you who were paying attention will know exactly what I'm referring to.
I was very much surprised by this too tbh.
In fact two teams consecutively could clearly be made out in that location.  :duno:

Wonder why they did that?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on September 30, 2012, 11:00:03 PM
because WE already did. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prama on October 01, 2012, 07:22:10 AM
I’ll speculate something from this pic

(http://i.imgur.com/vEvVP.jpg)
(taken from this post (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27201.msg805273.html#msg805273))

I think it will be held in Leg 3 as part of Detour/Active RI. We can see someone sit with a burn coconut on their head, while his friend is holding a frying pan. I think it matches with the one that was mentioned earlier in Season 21’s press release:

Quote
..Teams will travel through three continents, nine countries and cover more than 25,000 miles, where they’ll be faced with a 10-story rappel in Los Angeles, frying an egg on their heads in Indonesia

I also found a video about that task. It’s some kind of traditional act/performance that involves mystical thing. But this one is a little bit more extreme because they didn't use coconut to light up the fire. Take a look:

http://www.youtube.com/v/XNbczDTAWSo&feature=player_embedded

just my two cents ;D
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 01, 2012, 08:18:17 AM
really good catch, Prama!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on October 01, 2012, 06:07:37 PM
Something we didn't notice, is the fact that there's only 1.2 kms distance between the Centraal Station and the Scheepvaart Museum in Amsterdam, and it takes around 20 minutes walking to complete through Prins Hendrikkade.  And the location where teams (Abby & Ryan, Beekmans) were spotted in the red zone is almost at the same distance.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on October 01, 2012, 08:39:12 PM

HEY!

Just notice the yellow-circled picture cropped from the new CBS-Amazing Race banner today..,

if it was meant to be one of the destination where teams are going this season, then it's Prambanan Temple, not very far from Yogyakarta and Borobudur Temple (but it's too far from Surabaya)

I hope it's just a design, not an actual destination...   ;)


(http://i.imgur.com/THf2P.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/JiiGI.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on October 02, 2012, 09:45:17 AM
A couple things about the Baleares leg, based on the partial info we have (of course, all spec, free to discuss and/or dismiss):

The intro caps shows the Castell Bellver and the Formentor Lighthouse (caps below).
In the Bellver cap is interesting to notice a construction that looks like a scenario right next to the well.  Despite the fact that Bellver is a place frequently used for artistic purposes, mostly the pics I found didn't show (insert) that scenario built permanently. So is a good spec to think that could be part of one task performed on the leg (RB/Detour  :duno:).  Also, Bellver is twenty minutes only from the Palma Airport, what is consistant with the sightings we had of TAR during that morning on Mallorca (the famous tweet of the crew member).
Talking about tweets, we also have another one of TAR filming on Ibiza, the island at the southwest of Mallorca the same day.  This could make sense if the leg was designed to make the teams travel north-south along the islands; and I said this, because of the Formentero cap.
The lighthouse is in the Formentor peninsula at the north of Mallorca, and for its location it could provide a plausible PitStop because of the difficulty to reach - there's only one way to go - and because it's an iconic place of the Baleares.

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/vlcsnap-2012-10-02-00h05m44s172.png)

(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y426/Alenaveda/TAR21MISC/vlcsnap-2012-10-01-23h51m34s189.png)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 02, 2012, 10:48:46 AM
I like that Alenaveda! Now...how are they going to get there? Scheduled ferry? Charter boats? Should be scenic!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on October 02, 2012, 11:58:04 AM
I like that Alenaveda! Now...how are they going to get there? Scheduled ferry? Charter boats? Should be scenic!

Just as a data, between both places there's a four hours trip, including ferry.

I was talking about Bellver and Formentero; but the route is through Ibiza Island.
You can travel either by ferry or plane.  Iberia has flights all the day between PMI-IBZ, and it takes only 35 minutes.  Let me do a little research, and I'll post it in the transportation thread.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on October 02, 2012, 12:40:25 PM
When Phil said 9 countries this season, I think he referring to the countries they will be visiting outside the US.  Noted that he said it at the starting line, and usually the US isn't really accounted for until the final leg.  So if there is a missing country,  I think it's a new one since people like to see new places especially new countries.  Have there been a previous season of the race where during the season premiere press release doesn't mention a new country, but during the show's season run they visit a new country?  So for my speculation if there is a new country, I'm pretty sure it's in Europe.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: gigglypiggies on October 02, 2012, 02:51:20 PM
The space between Russia and the Netherlands, could they possibly have popped down to like...Cameroon or somewhere in Africa? I mean...it isn't really going too far out of the way, we know that there is a missing leg somewhere...so maybe?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 02, 2012, 03:58:07 PM
:welcome: to RFF, gigglypiggies!
 
 
But there are no missing legs, which means no new countries, sadly, although I would have loved a new African nation!

I am repeating myself, but we already HAVE our 9 countries. Including the US. (http://www.smileys4msn.com/displaysmiley.php?show=1005)
 
1-USA to China
2-Indonesia
3-Indonesia
4-Bangladesh
5-Bangladesh
6-Turkey
7-Russia
8-Russia
9-Netherlands
10-Spain
11-France
12-NYC (USA)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: gigglypiggies on October 02, 2012, 07:07:51 PM
 :) thanks peach! I've been tryin to register for a while, but I wouldn't ever get an email "advising me of the administers decision" so I just kinda assumed I wasn't allowed. so I just have been creepin here since may.  :lol: 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 02, 2012, 07:11:59 PM
Oh dear, sorry about that!! We are glad to have you creeping or not!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: tarflyonthewall on October 02, 2012, 08:12:35 PM
Quote
What I think is not as important as what Phil 's frame of reference is. Even though nothing has changed in my assessment that NONE of the 3 Netherlands ROADBLOCKS are "infamous" Phil's reference this time was to hilarious. Nobody could argue that counting bells is either infamous or hilarious. Counting eels is not infamous and it is not very hilarious. The ditch vault is not infamous in any respect and I do not see it as hilarious, but it could be viewed as hilarious by Phil.

The commercials being aired in Australia to promote the season reveal it - it's the cyclo Road Block from TAR3. Definitely infamous (the wrong address on the clue led to Derek & Drew's elimination, and probably to Flo's win as a result), definitely hilarious. The only issue is this race isn't going to Vietnam. My guess is they'll do it in Bangladesh.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 02, 2012, 08:16:44 PM
Quote
What I think is not as important as what Phil 's frame of reference is. Even though nothing has changed in my assessment that NONE of the 3 Netherlands ROADBLOCKS are "infamous" Phil's reference this time was to hilarious. Nobody could argue that counting bells is either infamous or hilarious. Counting eels is not infamous and it is not very hilarious. The ditch vault is not infamous in any respect and I do not see it as hilarious, but it could be viewed as hilarious by Phil.

The commercials being aired in Australia to promote the season reveal it - it's the cyclo Road Block from TAR3. Definitely infamous (the wrong address on the clue led to Derek & Drew's elimination, and probably to Flo's win as a result), definitely hilarious. The only issue is this race isn't going to Vietnam. My guess is they'll do it in Bangladesh.

Can you cap that? Please our press SPECIFICALLY says the Netherlands.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ianthebalance on October 02, 2012, 08:19:37 PM
Quote from: georgiapeach link=topic=27203.msg805997#msg805997
8-Russia
[/quote

That is not official.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: tarflyonthewall on October 02, 2012, 08:27:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKZncBaovwg&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKZncBaovwg&feature=plcp)

Right near the end. Maybe there are multiple versions of past tasks (to fit in with "twenty seasons since the original"), and the Dutch one is only one of them? Arguably they could count "play table tennis against a kid champion in China" as one, and that definitely looks much more like Indonesia in the background than anywhere else on the route.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on October 02, 2012, 08:29:38 PM
Quote
What I think is not as important as what Phil 's frame of reference is. Even though nothing has changed in my assessment that NONE of the 3 Netherlands ROADBLOCKS are "infamous" Phil's reference this time was to hilarious. Nobody could argue that counting bells is either infamous or hilarious. Counting eels is not infamous and it is not very hilarious. The ditch vault is not infamous in any respect and I do not see it as hilarious, but it could be viewed as hilarious by Phil.

The commercials being aired in Australia to promote the season reveal it - it's the cyclo Road Block from TAR3. Definitely infamous (the wrong address on the clue led to Derek & Drew's elimination, and probably to Flo's win as a result), definitely hilarious. The only issue is this race isn't going to Vietnam. My guess is they'll do it in Bangladesh.

Can you cap that? Please our press SPECIFICALLY says the Netherlands.

Cap 16 of the pre race video maybe? (One of the Chips on a cyclo in the Indonesia Leg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 02, 2012, 08:31:30 PM
And do you mean this? Because they are NOT transporting each other, they are both being transported.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: tarflyonthewall on October 02, 2012, 08:43:39 PM
Oooh, if it's in the Netherlands I'm leaning towards it being the farmersgolf/dancing Detour, and CBS simply made a mistake calling it a Road Block.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 02, 2012, 08:47:49 PM
:welcome: to RFF, gigglypiggies!
 
 
But there are no missing legs, which means no new countries, sadly, although I would have loved a new African nation!
I am repeating myself, but we already HAVE our 9 countries. Including the US. (http://www.smileys4msn.com/displaysmiley.php?show=1005)
 
1-USA to China
2-Indonesia
3-Indonesia
4-Bangladesh
5-Bangladesh
6-Turkey
7-Russia
8-Russia
9-Netherlands
10-Spain
11-France
12-NYC (USA)
That is not official.


 :lol3:

 
 
 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: tarflyonthewall on October 02, 2012, 09:02:06 PM
He's right. We don't have any spoilers for a second Russian leg. It could be one in Russia and two in the Netherlands.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 02, 2012, 09:04:28 PM
Y'all should know me better by now. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on October 02, 2012, 09:05:28 PM
Why isn't anybody think of the haybales roadblock? Or they aren't going to a rural farm area maybe? Dunno..  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on October 02, 2012, 09:08:02 PM
The switchback task might not be a task that was origanalily a roadblock (im thinking either detour option on TAR15 that cost Maria & Tiffany the race)

Based on previous experiences with switchbacks (hay bales on TAR6 & TAR18 and shaving heads on TAR5, TAR9 & TAR20) if there's one, is gonna be one the RB already performed in TAR4, TAR12 or TAR15.

TAR 20 had a Switchback Fast Forward. :)

TAR20 had no Switchback Fast Forwards. It did have an idential Fast Forward task. The head shaving tasks. But Switchback tasks are the same exact task at the same exact location, according to CBS in announcements for TAR15. The ony Switchback so far in TAR is the hay bale Roadblocks in TAR6 and TAR15. This was the same exact task in the same exact location, a field in Sweden. The head shaving FF tasks in TAR5, TAR7 and TAR20 all took place in different locations. TAR5 was in Kolkata and TAR20 was in Kerala.....opposite ends of India.

I have to disagree with you this time, DrRox.  When Phil explained what was the FF (pic below), he used this quote: 

"In this Switchback, teams face one of the most unforgettables Fast Forwards in Amazing Race history."
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 02, 2012, 09:10:11 PM
Why isn't anybody think of the haybales roadblock? Or they aren't going to a rural farm area maybe? Dunno..  :duno:

BECAUSE:

The info comes from the pre-race promos.

What we know:

Vid 1:
9 Countries

25,000 Miles

2 Million $$

Cast Reveal:
 
        This season, which marks the 21st race around the world for the series, will introduce a new twist to the game that will raise the stakes for the entire season. If the Team that wins the first leg of the season can outrace the other 10 Teams and win the final leg of the Race, they will double their money and win a $2 million grand prize instead of $1 million.

        Teams will travel through three continents, nine countries and cover more than 25,000 miles, where they’ll be faced with a 10-story rappel in Los Angeles, frying an egg on their heads in Indonesia, working as “rat collectors” in Bangladesh and revisiting one of the Race’s most infamous Roadblocks in the Netherlands in this season’s “Switchback.”

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on October 02, 2012, 09:14:37 PM
Thanks alena and peach.. This is me too lazy to return to the old posts..  :-[
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: tarflyonthewall on October 02, 2012, 09:38:48 PM
Right. So. Limiting ourselves to Europe (as opposed to specifically the Netherlands), here's the Road Block list:

S1 - Eiffel Tower, Sewers, SmartCar
S2 - none
S3 - Highland Games, Penalty Kick, Rescue Cable, William Tell, Bicycle Assembly
S4 - Masquerade Ball, Bungy, Le Mans, Eels
S5 - Caviar
S6 - Zipline, Haybales, Soapbox Derby, Reverse Bungy, Soup, Wine Stomp
S7 - Fortress (which took place in the European part of Istanbul), Bus Driving
S8 - none
S9 - Diving, Gnomes, Statue Puzzle, Kayak Polo, Bungy
S10 - Limestone Mine, Tank, Skydive
S11 - Knight
S12 - Highwire Bike, Fierljeppen, Messenger, Brick Wall, Ultralight
S13 - Flour, Statue Count
S14 - Bungy, Paraglide, Gymnastics, Toboggan, Underpants Jog
S15 - Bells, [Haybales], Candelabra, Mandolin, Franz
S16 - Bungy, Abseil
S17 - Trebuchet, Dogsled, Abseil
S18 - Chimney, Liechtenstein, Chocolate
S19 - Renaissance Dancing, Bicycle/Quote, Test Drive
S20 - Abseil, Curling

Take out everything you couldn't replicate in the Netherlands, and that would make absolutely no sense to copy:

S1 - SmartCar
S3 - Penalty Kick, Bicycle Assembly
S4 - Eels
S6 - Haybales
S7 - Bus Driving
S10 - Tank, Skydive
S11 - Knight
S12 - Fierljeppen, Messenger, Ultralight
S13 - Flour
S15 - Bells
S17 - Trebuchet
S19 - Renaissance Dancing, Bicycle/Quote, Test Drive

Now take out anything that couldn't be considered either "infamous" or "hilarious" after its first appearance, even if it was Dutch:

S6 - Haybales
S7 - Bus Driving
S11 - Knight
S17 - Trebuchet

The haybales have been a Switchback before, so we can rule it. Though it's the obvious choice I doubt CBS would risk letting them to the trebuchet task again, so we're down to two. Neither the bus driving nor the knight Road Block are infamous enough to justify being called "infamous", so my only possible conclusion is that either it's not in the Netherlands, OR it's not a Road Block they're copying. Certainly wouldn't be the first time CBS has made mistakes with their publicity.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on October 02, 2012, 10:08:52 PM
I have a new thought, one that requires giving up the concept of a Throwback being a ROADBLOCK. After the ditch-vaulting, teams had to travel to the Durgerdam Yacht club. Once there, they had to ride a bakfiets (cargo bicycle) to the next Pit Stop. That looks a little like the cyclos in Vietnam. Maybe that is our Throwback.

I am bit bit tired of the speculation on this. I hope somebody figures it out.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on October 02, 2012, 10:31:18 PM
The problem is that the truly hilarious task that took place in the Netherlands wasn't a roadblock, it was a detour. TAR 4's poop pile. We've had tasks recycled from being a detour to a roadblock before in other Races, and we can also assume that given the Fast Forward Switchback last season, TPTB aren't unafraid of relocating tasks for a Switchback.
If we aren't limited in this way, then I would think that would be the task. I suspect though we're going to need more information from the show before we can piece this together. And I agree apskip, it is frustrating.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on October 02, 2012, 10:42:44 PM
The problem is that the truly hilarious task that took place in the Netherlands wasn't a roadblock, it was a detour. TAR 4's poop pile. We've had tasks recycled from being a detour to a roadblock before in other Races, and we can also assume that given the Fast Forward Switchback last season, TPTB aren't unafraid of relocating tasks for a Switchback.
If we aren't limited in this way, then I would think that would be the task. I suspect though we're going to need more information from the show before we can piece this together. And I agree apskip, it is frustrating.

The pattern of the previous switchbacks tends to repeat the same tasks.  And about the FF Switchback, they changed the cities every time, you're right, but all of them in the same country, India. 
Anyway, I agree with you and apskip too about how frustrating all this thing is.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: tarflyonthewall on October 03, 2012, 01:40:45 AM
It's possible also that they could be recycling the Farmer's Game/Farmer's Dance Detour, and somebody at CBS made a ballsup. It's certainly "infamous", and with farmer's golf, the mallet game, Matt refusing to eat the soused herring, and the Globetrotters in wacky costumes, I can see how Phil would find it "hilarious".
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on October 03, 2012, 12:19:15 PM
This is what I found untill now on the Baleares leg:

1.- SIGHTINGS:

Reply #378, June 13
He says he got to get up early but is worthy. Amazing Race filming!... he's from Spain  .. i think it would be ok to keep an eye in Spain just in case, considering it could be a great location to go back to the US.
 
Edited!

Reply #379, June 13
Translation: Well  early start but worth it. Filming Amazing Race!

Let this be true.

Reply #381, June 13
Could they be on the island of Ibiza, off the coast of Spain?


Taking part in a detour for an "amazing race".. HAHA LOLL

posted 9:53 a.m. Central.

The kid appears to be from Ibiza.

Reply #382, June 13
Could they be on the island of Ibiza, off the coast of Spain?

Or perhaps on the nearby island of Mallorca.

que sepáis que la gente de The Amazing Race han estado grabando esta mañana en Mallorca :-) http://bit.ly/KF6BFp (http://bit.ly/KF6BFp)
10:24 AM - 13 Jun 12

 you know that the people of The Amazing Race have been shooting this morning in Mallorca

Reply #383, June 13
I found some in twitter, the amazing race shooting in Mallorca, Spain  :luvya:

 pues yo pienso ver la S21, hoy están en Mallorca. Mi cuñado ha participado en la grabación de una prueba taurina esta mañana.

translate ::

because I think seeing the S21, are now in Mallorca. My *** has been involved in recording a taurine test this morning.

* i late post few seconds from Dallas :groan:

Reply #390, June 13
@czarinaKTA
Amazing Race project in Baillie's!

-------------------------------

Baillie´s gardens are a company in Majorca!

12:19 CT/US

I guess we should dismiss this one as there are more Baillie's-everything in the States and she doesn't seem to be in Spain.

Reply #393, June 14
Quote
K DUFTY P HEYE ‏@BigKeegsHeye

gave directions to contestants on the Amazing Race. #welcometomycity #wishiwaswearingwescrewgear

Tweeter is in Mallorca

Reply #404, June 15
I have a post from one of the members of my TAR fans group in spanish, who was with Phil in Baleares.  He said he has pictures with him.  I'm trying to contact him for more info.

(Specifically, he said he met him in Ibiza.) :yess:

Reply #405, June 15
I have a post from one of the members of my TAR fans group in spanish, who was with Phil in Baleares.  He said he has pictures with him.  I'm trying to contact him for more info.

(Specifically, he said he met him in Ibiza.) :yess:

Ok, here's his quote:

"Por cierto, aún no salgo de mi asombro!!! ME ENCONTRÉ A PHIL GRABANDO TAR 21 EN IBIZA!!!!!!!!!!!"

TRANSLATION:  "By the way, I already can't get over my astonishment! I found Phil recording TAR 21 in Ibiza!"

Reply #410, June 16.
I meant where in Ibiza, lol. Do your best! Great find!

Ok.  He didn't answer me yet, because one of our group rules is not to give spoilers, so I send him a new message with info about Amsterdam leg to let him know that is not that case.
But after some other member requirement, he suggestes it was on Ibiza's beach, and he take photos not only from Phil, but of the teams doing one of the tasks.  He also wrote that WRP almost took his cell phone while doing this.



2.- SPECULATIONS AND SPOILERS:

Reply #651, June 13
Mallorca looks quite real. Bullfighting?

Reply #653, June 13
Mallorca looks quite real. Bullfighting?

Palma has a bullring named Coliseo balear in spanish (Balearic Colliseum)
Here's a pic of it and the location:

Reply #655, June 13
@czarinaKTA
Amazing Race project in Baillie's!

-------------------------------

Baillie´s gardens are a company in Majorca!

12:19 CT/US

I guess we should dismiss this one as there are more Baillie's-everything in the States and she doesn't seem to be in Spain.

There's a "Jonathan Baillie Gardens", but is based not in Mallorca, it's in Menorca, another of the island of the Baleares.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 03, 2012, 12:26:15 PM
Thank you so much, that is a HUGE help!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on October 03, 2012, 12:40:05 PM
All the info I can see about Jonathan Baillie and "Jonathan Baillie's Gardens", keep pointing me towards Menorca and, specifically, to the Alaoir municipality on that island.  So that makes TAR sightings in 3 different parts of the Baleares archipelago.
So...  :helpme     :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on October 03, 2012, 01:07:46 PM
All the info I can see about Jonathan Baillie and "Jonathan Baillie's Gardens", keep pointing me towards Menorca and, specifically, to the Alaoir municipality on that island.  So that makes TAR sightings in 3 different parts of the Baleares archipelago.
So...  :helpme     :lol: :lol: :lol:

Jonathan Baillie is simply a freelance garden designer in Menorca, there are no actual beautiful gardens or anything.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on October 04, 2012, 09:14:40 AM
(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/drrox1/MallorcaTAR21.jpg)



It is about 85km and an 80 minute drive from Castell Bellver to the Cap Formentero Lighthouse.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: gigglypiggies on October 05, 2012, 02:08:39 PM
What do you guys think that the "bold move" will be that could cost a team elimination? A u turn maybe? It is kinda early for that...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on October 08, 2012, 12:34:21 AM
Last night's episode AND last week's episode, the Pit Stop greeter said 'goodbye' to one of the teams in the country's respective language.
I don't know if producers have asked greeters to do this to make things more cultural, OR it could be a possible memory task for the final Leg ('goodbye' in every language of every country you visited on the racer), thoughts?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on October 08, 2012, 01:02:28 AM
Last night's episode AND last week's episode, the Pit Stop greeter said 'goodbye' to one of the teams in the country's respective language.
I don't know if producers have asked greeters to do this to make things more cultural, OR it could be a possible memory task for the final Leg ('goodbye' in every language of every country you visited on the racer), thoughts?
I have thought about that too!
But, TAR Aus have asked the greeters to say 'welcome' in their language. So, I don't know if this is done in order to make thing more cultural or something.
It's gonna be good memory challenge, though.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on October 08, 2012, 01:09:38 AM
Last night's episode AND last week's episode, the Pit Stop greeter said 'goodbye' to one of the teams in the country's respective language.
I don't know if producers have asked greeters to do this to make things more cultural, OR it could be a possible memory task for the final Leg ('goodbye' in every language of every country you visited on the racer), thoughts?
I have thought about that too!
But, TAR Aus have asked the greeters to say 'welcome' in their language. So, I don't know if this is done in order to make thing more cultural or something.
It's gonna be good memory challenge, though.
It's not that the greeters are just saying it, but the subtitles in both English and the language are shown to us as well. It could be just a new addition, but I'm hoping they're saving it for a memory task. In TAR19, they showed us the outlines of the countries in the teams' clues, which ended up being a hint to the memory challenge  ;)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on October 08, 2012, 10:23:25 AM
Nice spotting!  :tup: If it happens in Ep3, I'd call it a lock.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on October 08, 2012, 10:46:28 AM
If they did it with all the teams, it's going to be a good memory task; specially if they can't use any reminder (i.e., paper notes) to perform it.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on October 08, 2012, 11:41:19 AM
It would be impossible to use for a memory task unless every team is hearing it on the mat after they finish talking with Phil. If it is just the eliminated teams, then the other teams would not have heard it. On the other hand, the editors have been showing the greeter greet the first and last team for 20 plus seasons now, so it is possible they are just making an editorial change, just like with the clue containers a couple of seasons ago and the loss of the pit stop sign showing the location. (Both of which reduced the cost of shipping the signage and the clue boxes from location to location.)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on October 08, 2012, 12:45:15 PM
It might turn out to be really easy in the end, given how "Hola," "Au revoir," "Ni hao," and "Da svidania" have sort of become general knowledge, and even referenced in popular culture?

Folks are probably just going to trip up between Turkey, Bangladesh and Indonesia, I think.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on October 08, 2012, 01:15:41 PM
The Netherlands is "tot ziens"
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on October 08, 2012, 01:22:13 PM
It might turn out to be really easy in the end, given how "Hola," "Au revoir," "Ni hao," and "Da svidania" have sort of become general knowledge, and even referenced in popular culture?

Folks are probably just going to trip up between Turkey, Bangladesh and Indonesia, I think.

"Hola" is the opposite, it's a welcoming word.  The right one is "Adiós".
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on October 08, 2012, 01:26:14 PM
Both "hello" and "goodbye" were subtitled (and hence could be "tested"). I was just picking and choosing for illustration. "Ni hao" is "hello" too.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on October 08, 2012, 01:31:39 PM
But you maybe hit the nail on it, Neobie.  It's more reasonable if they use the welcoming words, than the farewell ones (as I said previously, if the did it with all the teams).
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on October 09, 2012, 10:30:19 PM
Thanks for those photos Slowhatch!

theschnauzers, I am sure the Pit Stop greeter says it to every team, but on TV we only get the greeter saying it to one team :)
I saw this on twitter, and I am starting to get my hopes up!

Quote
Erlangga Rizki ‏@ERFrizki
@PhilKeoghan phil, I just noticed that the greeters are filmed with goodbye phrase in corresponding language, for what purpose actually? :o
Expand   Reply  Retweet  Favorite

6h Phil Keoghan ‏@PhilKeoghan
Keep watching:) RT @ERFrizki phil, I just noticed that the greeters are filmed with goodbye phrase in corresponding language...?#AmazingRace
 Hide conversation   Reply  Retweet  Favorite

 :o  :o  :o

If this DOES end up being a memory challenge at the end, I think teams will have to listen to different greetings and identify which ones they heard along the race. I think it will be something along the lines of that.

But I still want a memory challenge that involves the 'new' clue boxes!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Heliox on October 10, 2012, 12:28:40 PM
Good thinking about the final task relating to the greeters language.

I also noticed that they are showing Jaymes speaking small phrases of the native languages in both countries. I wonder if this is part of the story, if the final task is related to language.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: topaz on October 13, 2012, 07:45:04 PM
Episode 4 title:

(http://oi48.[banned image hosting site].com/30upnb8.jpg)

Tell Peach and the others that I'm not a newbie, I am an absentee contributor.

I say the Chippendales will gonna say that. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: claude_24hrs on October 14, 2012, 09:14:40 PM
Bangladesh's official language is Bengali. Here are the Bengali phrases:

Assalaam Alaykum (for Bengali Muslims) and Nomaashkar (for Bengali Hindus) mean Hello.

Khudaa Hafiz (for Muslims) and Ta-ta (for Hindus) means Goodbye.

http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/resources/language/bangla-phrases.html (http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/resources/language/bangla-phrases.html)
http://users.elite.net/runner/jennifers/goodbye.htm (http://users.elite.net/runner/jennifers/goodbye.htm)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on October 16, 2012, 06:16:29 AM
Episode 4 title:

(http://oi48.[banned image hosting site].com/30upnb8.jpg)

Tell Peach and the others that I'm not a newbie, I am an absentee contributor.

I say the Chippendales will gonna say that. :lol:

Abbie said the quote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcK0HM1nL0Y&feature=g-all-u at the 0:13 mark.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: choroneko on October 16, 2012, 03:46:59 PM
I don't know if it's already been said or not, but I wonder which switchback roadblock will they do in the Netherlands. I hope it's the catching of the eel from season 4.  :lol: Or the crossing through the vault in season 12 is a great one too.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RaceUntilWeDie on October 18, 2012, 09:37:49 AM
I don't know where I would post this, but based on our potential F3 of Trey & Lexi, Chips, Josh & Brent, this will be the first time since TAR11 where the F3 did not place in the Top 3 in the first leg, just throwing it out there  ;)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on October 20, 2012, 03:55:48 AM
According to CBS Schedule, the Episode 5 title is "Chill Out, Freak"  :lol:

P.S. We have those scenes from pre-race promos of teams doing challenges involving bamboo in Bangladesh. So I think Leg 5 is our 'bamboo' themed leg :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RealityFreakWill on October 20, 2012, 08:18:32 AM
On the page 71 of the 10/26 issue of Entertainment  Weekly magazine issue, here's a teaser of the episode 5 of TAR21 to air on 10/28:

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc289/CuteboiWill/J_J_bamboo.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on October 20, 2012, 08:10:17 PM
Episode 5 title
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Faith511 on October 21, 2012, 01:51:46 PM
Ok so I have a theory that's  kind of out there but... here goes.
So there's  a website called buddytv.com. And when you go on the amazing race page there's  a certain order that the racers are in. The one on the top left is first, which is abby and ryan. The next one is trey and lexi. Then the Chippendales. And if you see the bottom teams,  they've  all been eliminated. So if that theory is true, gary and will will be eliminated tonight.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on October 21, 2012, 02:42:07 PM
Or Rob and Kelley
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 21, 2012, 02:51:11 PM
I think y'all are really stretching now. :lol:

Declive, Rob and Kelley are spotted in the next Episode.

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on October 21, 2012, 02:54:20 PM
Ok so I have a theory that's  kind of out there but... here goes.
So there's  a website called buddytv.com. And when you go on the amazing race page there's  a certain order that the racers are in. The one on the top left is first, which is abby and ryan. The next one is trey and lexi. Then the Chippendales. And if you see the bottom teams,  they've  all been eliminated. So if that theory is true, gary and will will be eliminated tonight.

The teams are listed in the order they finished in the previous episode. Then the teams that are eliminated are placed at the bottom. So that is not necessarily the case.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Faith511 on October 21, 2012, 04:16:52 PM
But look at other seasons. They stay the same. Check after tonights episode.
 :gaah:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on October 21, 2012, 04:27:14 PM
But look at other seasons. They stay the same. Check after tonights episode.
 :gaah:

James & Abba figure in 4th. place, but they didn't reach the F5.  Check all the spoilers threads here.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 21, 2012, 04:32:50 PM
Sorry Faith. Regardless of who goes tonight, that listing is not in any way a boot list.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Faith511 on October 21, 2012, 05:13:46 PM
Sorry. Just a theory. But if i am right you all owe me. :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 21, 2012, 06:02:21 PM
Sorry. Just a theory. But if i am right you all owe me. :groan:

We thrive on theories around here! So bring 'em on!! :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on October 21, 2012, 06:17:36 PM
I have a feeling this leg will be a NEL because TAR likes to do that when they stay somewhere for two legs in a row.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on October 21, 2012, 07:05:16 PM
In my mind there's an equal chance that either this leg or the next leg will be an NEL, it's also possible there might be a no-length pit stop as well.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 21, 2012, 07:06:46 PM
I have a feeling this leg will be a NEL because TAR likes to do that when they stay somewhere for two legs in a row.

or not.   ;)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on October 21, 2012, 08:45:19 PM
Sorry. Just a theory. But if i am right you all owe me. :groan:

We thrive on theories around here! So bring 'em on!! :tup:

Holy frijoles , this son of a monkey's uncle was right!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on October 21, 2012, 09:02:53 PM
A coincidence maybe? :duno:

I recalled there was a same issue on last season. In same site too.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on October 22, 2012, 01:54:40 AM
Sorry. Just a theory. But if i am right you all owe me. :groan:

We thrive on theories around here! So bring 'em on!! :tup:

Holy frijoles , this son of a monkey's uncle was right!!

what an interesting case of coincidence...

but hey, me truly believe jaymes & james are amongst the final 3, as they're the legit ones we can see with the camera crew at coney island, new york  ;)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Faith511 on October 22, 2012, 07:17:06 AM
Do you believe me now? Sorry i couldn't  post a link. I'm  a newbie and have nooo idea how to do that.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 22, 2012, 09:30:33 AM
It is nothing but a coincidence, and an inaccurate one at that. We have all known Will and Gary were going this week, you only need to read the spoilers.

 And please remember that links to other forums are not allowed.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazinglatinoamericafan on October 22, 2012, 05:54:36 PM
i think that the elimination position is like THE AMAZING RACE 14


Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on October 22, 2012, 06:00:22 PM
i think that the elimination position is like THE AMAZING RACE 14

Me too
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on October 22, 2012, 06:11:23 PM
i think that the elimination position is like THE AMAZING RACE 14

Me too

Yeah, looks like.  Eliminations at the first 4 legs (Preston & Jennifer, Steve & Linda, Brad & Victoria, Amanda & Kris) and a NEL on the fifth (Christie & Jodi).
If it's the same pattern, then it should be: 

NON ELIMINATION
ELIMINATION
ELIMINATION
NON ELIMINATION
ELIMINATION
NON ELIMINATION (on TAR14 was a Keep Racing Leg)
ELIMINATION
FINISH LINE
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on October 22, 2012, 07:09:08 PM
I understand that this had happened many times, but i think it's a bit funny if you know your production budget is not too big, then the best choice is to have a NEL in the same country, ???
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ianthebalance on October 22, 2012, 07:11:12 PM
i think that the elimination position is like THE AMAZING RACE 14

Yes and no.
season 14 NE Legs (how many people still in): 7,5,4(TBC)
Season 21 NE Legs (MY PREDICTIONS): 7,6,4

I have a feeling since they will be in Russia for two legs, and because the first Bangledesh leg was elimination, the first russia leg will be a non-elimination.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ianthebalance on October 22, 2012, 07:12:40 PM
I understand that this had happened many times, but i think it's a bit funny if you know your production budget is not too big, then the best choice is to have a NEL in the same country, ???

My guess is since the 1st Bangledesh leg wasn't a NEL, the 1st Russia leg will be a NEL.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RaceUntilWeDie on October 22, 2012, 07:23:23 PM
Does it really matter when there are two legs in the same country?  :lol:

In TAR17 Michael & Kevin were NEL'd in Ghana and in the following leg they traveled to the Arctic Circle.

Anything can happen.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Georgianna on October 23, 2012, 03:27:28 PM
Hello!

Although I have read - and very much appreciated - this forum for some time, I am new to posting here.  I am unfamiliar with its software format and not at all certain that I know all that there is to know about your protocols.   So I hope that this post comes to rest in the right place and that you'll tell me if I'm guilty of a breach of etiquette. That said ...

In your discussion of James' and Abba's impending Synchronized Swimming debut, it seems that the question of location has become centered around Russia or Spain.  And - because I don't think that all of the tasks to be performed in Turkey have been identified, yet - I thought that it might be helpful to far better sleuths than I to mention that Turkey boasts a National Synchronized Swimming Team (headquartered in Istanbul) that hosted its first international competition -  The Istanbul Open Synchronized Swimming Tournament (http://www.turkishdiary.com/haber/first-synchronized-swimming-tournament-in-turkey) - in September of 2011. 

The page - announcing the event -  that I've linked also contains a photo of the team.  However, I didn't screen print the page or import the image because I'm unsure about your policies regarding those practices. 

Now, if you wonderfully talented people think that the tidbit is worth pursuing, you've only to track down which  "Fatih Olymic Pool in Istanbul" - and I stopped looking when I discovered that there is almost certainly more than one -  is home to the team, obtain a photo, etc., etc., etc ... :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on October 23, 2012, 03:33:17 PM
Hello!

Although I have read - and very much appreciated - this forum for some time, I am new to posting here.  I am unfamiliar with its software format and not at all certain that I know all that there is to know about your protocols.   So I hope that this post comes to rest in the right place and that you'll tell me if I'm guilty of a breach of etiquette. That said ...

In your discussion of James' and Abba's impending Synchronized Swimming debut, it seems that the question of location has become centered around Russia or Spain.  And - because I don't think that all of the tasks to be performed in Turkey have been identified, yet - I thought that it might be helpful to far better sleuths than I to mention that Turkey boasts a National Synchronized Swimming Team (headquartered in Istanbul) that hosted its first international competition -  The Istanbul Open Synchronized Swimming Tournament (http://www.turkishdiary.com/haber/first-synchronized-swimming-tournament-in-turkey) - in September of 2011. 

The page - announcing the event -  that I've linked also contains a photo of the team.  However, I didn't screen print the page or import the image because I'm unsure about your policies regarding those practices. 

Now, if you wonderfully talented people think that the tidbit is worth pursuing, you've only to track down which  "Fatih Olymic Pool in Istanbul" - and I stopped looking when I discovered that there is almost certainly more than one -  is home to the team, obtain a photo, etc., etc., etc ... :)

:hiya Georgianna   :bigwelcome to RFF!

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 23, 2012, 03:36:07 PM
Oh Wonderful!! Thank you Georgianna! That looks to be something we DEF need to check out!

And :bigwelcome to RFF!

Since this is for an upcoming ep, I am going to slide it over to Speculation here:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,27203.0.html
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Georgianna on October 24, 2012, 09:12:28 AM
Alenaveda and Peach,

What a lovely - I love balloons! -  welcome.  Thank you both. Too, thank you, Peach, for tidying up after me.  I hope that I'll be able to contribute to the group's remarkable successes from time to time.  And I know that I'm going to enjoy the company.

G   

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on October 24, 2012, 11:33:50 AM
We're very glad to have you here, hope you enjoy the site!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on October 26, 2012, 07:30:35 PM
Episode 6 Title - "Get Your ***y On"  :res:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RachelLeVega on October 27, 2012, 02:00:55 PM
Episode 6 Title - "Get Your ***y On"  :res:
:hearts: Better than the last couple episode's title quotes! :hearts: It sounds like something the Chippendales or Abbie/Ryan might say.

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ianthebalance on October 27, 2012, 07:10:15 PM
Episode 6 Title - "Get Your ***y On"  :res:
:hearts: Better than the last couple episode's title quotes! :hearts: It sounds like something the Chippendales or Abbie/Ryan might say.

Or the Beekmans.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: couchracer on October 27, 2012, 10:40:11 PM
Or Lexy
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Faith511 on October 28, 2012, 06:55:44 PM
Lol i like the title.
I think Chippendales will say it! Perhaps a dancing challenge?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RachelLeVega on October 28, 2012, 07:49:06 PM
Lol i like the title.
I think Chippendales will say it! Perhaps a dancing challenge?

Since they are traveling to Turkey, maybe a Turkish bathhouse task like the one from TARAustralia 2.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RaceUntilWeDie on October 29, 2012, 07:38:22 AM
 :lol: @ how none of our potential F3 has won a leg 5 legs in.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on October 29, 2012, 09:36:38 AM
:lol: @ how none of our potential F3 has won a leg 5 legs in.

/sad
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on October 29, 2012, 09:50:44 AM
:lol: @ how none of our potential F3 has won a leg 5 legs in.

/sad

Well, Eric & Danielle only won the last leg. :(
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on October 29, 2012, 10:27:30 AM
I think this season is one of the unpredictable seasons. All our potential F3 teams haven't won a single leg up until Leg 5 now. We've never had something like that, right?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on October 29, 2012, 10:32:44 AM
Keep in mind that the last two legs were won by a team that took the Leg 3 Fast Forward, and leg 4 was designed in such a way that it would be hard for a team to make up the two hour head start that James and Abba had as a result. (In fact, Lexi and Trey started six hours behind, so that should give y'all an idea of how difficult the roadblock and detour actually were.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: hakushu8 on October 29, 2012, 05:51:46 PM
Jen/Kisha also only won the last leg. How quickly can y'all forget? :ascared
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 02, 2012, 11:29:55 PM
Back to TAR 21....
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on November 03, 2012, 12:27:41 PM
No, not really.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on November 03, 2012, 12:38:07 PM
Yeah, but before that no one ever heard of the Netherlands being good in waterpolo. There are not much people playing it.  ;)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RachelLeVega on November 03, 2012, 02:51:26 PM
The water polo task might take place in one of the Russian legs. Remembering the mud volleyball task from season 15 (Estonia), I can analogize volleyball and WP is to Estonia and Russia. It must be  a match or coincidence. That would be a freezing challenge to play in COLD water. Brrr... :ascared
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 03, 2012, 05:14:11 PM
Can that water polo task be in Amsterdam? Water polo is popular there.

What water polo task? ???
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on November 03, 2012, 05:39:04 PM
Can that water polo task be in Amsterdam? Water polo is popular there.

What water polo task? ???

He probably mean the synchronized water dance peach..  ;)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on November 03, 2012, 05:50:38 PM
I'll most probably post this too late again but "Off To See The Wizard" is leg 7 episode title quote.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 03, 2012, 06:10:49 PM
Yes, the title is in Media already, but thx!

I was thinking water polo, what water polo?? :lol:

 We have synchronized swimming in what we believe to be Moscow though...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: gigglypiggies on November 04, 2012, 08:42:47 PM
The switchback couldn't be the lock roadblock from S6, could it? Idk if anyone saw the same thing in the preview...or even if I saw anything in the preview...but it looked a lot like it. But Phil said that it was in the Netherlands and had hilarious results...so it couldn't be. Unless there are 2 switchbacks this season?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RachelLeVega on November 06, 2012, 06:52:41 PM
The switchback couldn't be the lock roadblock from S6, could it? Idk if anyone saw the same thing in the preview...or even if I saw anything in the preview...but it looked a lot like it. But Phil said that it was in the Netherlands and had hilarious results...so it couldn't be. Unless there are 2 switchbacks this season?

It could be just an additional task, it doesn't look much challenging as the one in China. He never mentioned the ping pong Roadblock in Shanghai this season as a technical switchback too so otherwise, Phil would have given a vague announcement of two Switchbacks.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 06, 2012, 06:56:24 PM
A switchback is the same task in the same location I believe. And the switchback press says IN THE NETHERLANDS so that is what we have to work with.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RachelLeVega on November 06, 2012, 07:01:14 PM
As for the Netherlands or Holland switchback, it's probably the season 12 ditch pole vault because it ended with Nicolas removing all his clothes instead of his underwear and that silly Nicolas & Don and Marianna & Julia reaction. :lol3: I can imagine the remaining teams each attempting the "jump". I am pretty disappointed it might not be the season 15 Detour though since Maria & Tiffany struggled for over 3 hours trying to complete either correctly and I want to see what the other teams feel to be them (Maria & Tiffany).
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RachelLeVega on November 06, 2012, 07:06:01 PM
A switchback is the same task in the same location I believe. And the switchback press says IN THE NETHERLANDS so that is what we have to work with.

Partially correct. Season 20's head shave Fast Forward was at a temple while season 7's was near Lake Kaylana, but other than that, everything else is a fact.

I just realized no one chose the head shave FF in season 2 in Thailand which led to it being in the seventh installment. :stare:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Genius on November 07, 2012, 10:20:57 AM
For the Netherlands switchback, it would be cool if they strapped some racer to the windmill again (like TAR4), even though this was a FF task.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on November 07, 2012, 02:35:16 PM
As for the Netherlands or Holland switchback, it's probably the season 12 ditch pole vault because it ended with Nicolas removing all his clothes instead of his underwear and that silly Nicolas & Don and Marianna & Julia reaction. :lol3: I can imagine the remaining teams each attempting the "jump". I am pretty disappointed it might not be the season 15 Detour though since Maria & Tiffany struggled for over 3 hours trying to complete either correctly and I want to see what the other teams feel to be them (Maria & Tiffany).

Two good reasons why you won't see it in AR21:

1. It was a DETOUR in Groningen.
2. It is 112 miles from Amsterdam to Groningen and 112 miles back. That's 4 hours by train or car. I don't see that as feasible.

I do agree that the tasks of the challenge of "farmer's golf" is probably going to be more inherently interesting than what we will actually see for the Switchback.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on November 07, 2012, 02:37:34 PM
Just to clarify, it wasn't carnival challenge, and it's not like normal dutch people dance in these random strange way. And we don't wear these types of clothes. And we don't walk on clogs. But we do eat herring. :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RachelLeVega on November 08, 2012, 08:11:18 PM
As for the Netherlands or Holland switchback, it's probably the season 12 ditch pole vault because it ended with Nicolas removing all his clothes instead of his underwear and that silly Nicolas & Don and Marianna & Julia reaction. :lol3: I can imagine the remaining teams each attempting the "jump". I am pretty disappointed it might not be the season 15 Detour though since Maria & Tiffany struggled for over 3 hours trying to complete either correctly and I want to see what the other teams feel to be them (Maria & Tiffany).

Two good reasons why you won't see it in AR21:

1. It was a DETOUR in Groningen.
2. It is 112 miles from Amsterdam to Groningen and 112 miles back. That's 4 hours by train or car. I don't see that as feasible.

I do agree that the tasks of the challenge of "farmer's golf" is probably going to be more inherently interesting than what we will actually see for the Switchback.

I think the pole vault was pretty cool because I remember Shana missing the other side completely. Another reason is that the farmers' Detour did not "end with hilarious results". More like disappointing than funny. I wonder what Phil's commentary on the switchback will be...
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 08, 2012, 08:22:40 PM
Well Rachel, the haybale rb was tragic, not hilarious, so who knows :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RachelLeVega on November 08, 2012, 08:42:25 PM
Well Rachel, the haybale rb was tragic, not hilarious, so who knows :)

The haybales is not the real issue right now with this season's Switchback, besides the first switchback was done in Sweden, not the Netherlands. And I think we have our conclusion the pole vault from season 12 will be our star task. :)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on November 09, 2012, 06:02:28 AM
The switchback is

Show content
James & Abba lose their passports in Moscow just like Toni & Dallas.

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 09, 2012, 06:04:36 AM
Well Rachel, the haybale rb was tragic, not hilarious, so who knows :)

The haybales is not the real issue right now with this season's Switchback, besides the first switchback was done in Sweden, not the Netherlands. And I think we have our conclusion the pole vault from season 12 will be our star task. :)

Ahem I was referring to you calling saying the switchback had to be "hilarious" and the first acknowledged Switchback in Haybale land was not hilarious and actually sad. :(
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on November 09, 2012, 06:28:35 AM
The switchback is

Show content
James & Abba lose their passports in Moscow just like Toni & Dallas.

:lol3: :lol3:

If this is true, then all our discussions over the dutch thingy is just...   :iok

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ianthebalance on November 09, 2012, 06:41:34 PM
Episode 8 title

(http://oi45.[banned image hosting site].com/vovfoh.jpg)

More stealing?!! :duno:. This really makes me think that Leg 7 is TBC leg because I bet the rockers are talking about the cab incident.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: topaz on November 09, 2012, 09:03:48 PM
Episode 8 title

(http://oi45.[banned image hosting site].com/vovfoh.jpg)

More stealing?!! :duno:. This really makes me think that Leg 7 is TBC leg because I bet the rockers are talking about the cab incident.
Poor rockers, I bet those twinnies are doing another evil trick against them. :gaah:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RaceUntilWeDie on November 09, 2012, 09:20:03 PM
This season just keeps getting more interesting as we progress.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: AmazingRace on November 10, 2012, 02:50:46 AM
We Was Robbed?  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RachelLeVega on November 10, 2012, 07:51:34 PM
We Was Robbed?  :lol:

Sounds like Jaymes's country voice in kicking in again.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: serendipity on November 11, 2012, 11:35:34 AM
I don't think if anyone mentioned it here before, but does any of you think that there may be a final task involving languages?

I see that this season at the pitstop they show the greeters saying Hello and Goodbye in different languages, it seems that the final task may require teams to match these words?  Just pure speculation.

Edited - Just saw people mentioned it already in last few pages.  To me I think this is a very good challenge as the teams probably don't have time to note down the phrase at the time!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 11, 2012, 12:56:11 PM
Or the benefit of seeing it written out either....
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RachelLeVega on November 11, 2012, 08:21:11 PM
I don't think if anyone mentioned it here before, but does any of you think that there may be a final task involving languages?

I see that this season at the pitstop they show the greeters saying Hello and Goodbye in different languages, it seems that the final task may require teams to match these words?  Just pure speculation.

Edited - Just saw people mentioned it already in last few pages.  To me I think this is a very good challenge as the teams probably don't have time to note down the phrase at the time!

From what I think, the possible memory task might have teams listen to an audio/cassette tape and decide with greetings/farewells are appropriate for which country, then input which track # fits in which country on a device similar to the one from the season 17 final task.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 12, 2012, 08:20:15 PM
Okay sorry to intrude. I just was looking around ;D

Can I ask, what is with the spec of Josh/Brent making final 3? I looked and saw no pictures of them in New York City and if I read right their last spotting was in Amsterdam. I know that Jaymes/James and Trey/Lexie were spotted with crews and Natalie/Nadiya, Abbie & Ryan weren't spotted with crews, and Josh & Brent were nowhere to be found..
I mean.. I can understand the educated guesses with James/Abba last seen in Russia and then Nana/AbbieRyan seen without crews/flip flops and do process of elimination but I'm just looking for the "proof/evidence" that had it, lol.
So could anyone explain to me where them being in final 3 came from? Did I miss an image? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on November 12, 2012, 08:26:59 PM
Um, Josh and Brent were not speculated to make the final 3. (I'm looking at Dom El's timeline.) So I think you missed an image.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on November 12, 2012, 08:31:48 PM
Okay sorry to intrude. I just was looking around ;D

Can I ask, what is with the spec of Josh/Brent making final 3? I looked and saw no pictures of them in New York City and if I read right their last spotting was in Amsterdam. I know that Jaymes/James and Trey/Lexie were spotted with crews and Natalie/Nadiya, Abbie & Ryan weren't spotted with crews, and Josh & Brent were nowhere to be found..
I mean.. I can understand the educated guesses with James/Abba last seen in Russia and then Nana/AbbieRyan seen without crews/flip flops and do process of elimination but I'm just looking for the "proof/evidence" that had it, lol.
So could anyone explain to me where them being in final 3 came from? Did I miss an image? :lol:

All we have is this, the only reference of the Beekman Boys after Amsterdam:

The cast announcement today has shaken loose another sighting. From Facebook earlier today:

So glad the word is out. We met Josh and Brent on the Talgo Night Train to Paris in June when they were in the middle of racing and filming. Caroline and I will be watching on the 30th and cheering them on. Spoiler alert, when we met them there were four teams left!


I don't know if this is something we already knew or not, but it appears that the Beekman Boys are in the final four. They are getting one of the largest reactions on Twitter, so that will probably help ratings.  :tup: The fact that the Facebook poster doesn't mention other teams may be bad news for the Beekman Boys though.

Also, I'm not sure we ever nailed down which trains were used in France, so this may help with that.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RaceUntilWeDie on November 18, 2012, 07:22:16 AM
Have we seen that clip from the [season?] preview where they show a bus driving into high waters? I don't recall that, unless my memory is really bad  :iok
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on November 18, 2012, 07:29:19 AM
That's Amsterdam.  ;)
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 18, 2012, 10:15:35 PM
Spoiler TAR22 , (just to make a point)

NO TAR 22 spoilers in here please!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kavie on November 19, 2012, 01:30:54 AM
So is it safe to say that The Chips and Trey and Lexi will make the F3 ????
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: alexbeans on November 19, 2012, 02:10:41 AM
I think that Abbie and Ryan are safe.  They were seen delivering pizza in NY which I assume will be the final leg of the race.  Trey and Lexi, and the Twins were sighted too. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 19, 2012, 02:14:20 AM
Abbie and Ryan and the Twinnies were spotted delivering pizza. Without cameras around them.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kavie on November 19, 2012, 02:40:06 AM
I think that Abbie and Ryan are safe.  They were seen delivering pizza in NY which I assume will be the final leg of the race.  Trey and Lexi, and the Twins were sighted too.

One of the Twins wore flip-flops so i'm pretty sure they don't make the F3. It's just a decoy. We don't see any camera around Abbie and Ryan in those photos they don't seem to be rush. So they may not make the F3 too. Only the Chips and Trey and Lexi had cameras around them
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on November 19, 2012, 07:09:58 AM
So is it safe to say that The Chips and Trey and Lexi will make the F3 ????

As far as we know, the answer would be yes.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 19, 2012, 09:07:48 AM
Um, Josh and Brent were not speculated to make the final 3. (I'm looking at Dom El's timeline.) So I think you missed an image.

With the Hippies eliminated, and the Twins and the Divorcees spotted decoying in the Finale (assumed decoying), it's safe to speculate that the Goat Farmers somehow make it to the F3.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on November 26, 2012, 11:28:40 AM
I do not get it, if Josh & Brent is eliminated this leg and the Twins next leg.
It leaves Trexi and Chippendales in the final leg, with two teams please do not be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on November 26, 2012, 02:30:21 PM
I do not get it, if Josh & Brent is eliminated this leg and the Twins next leg.
It leaves Trexi and Chippendales in the final leg, with two teams please do not be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next leg is a NEL.  Leg 11 - France - wil still have 4 teams racing and - as in Osaka last season - is in that place where it's going to be eliminated the last team. 
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on November 27, 2012, 05:31:27 AM
Next leg is a NEL.  Leg 11 - France - wil still have 4 teams racing and - as in Osaka last season - is in that place where it's going to be eliminated the last team.

You sure about that Alenaveda?
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on November 27, 2012, 07:42:45 AM
Next leg is a NEL.  Leg 11 - France - wil still have 4 teams racing and - as in Osaka last season - is in that place where it's going to be eliminated the last team.

You sure about that Alenaveda?

We know the Beekmans were travelling from Spain to France:

The cast announcement today has shaken loose another sighting. From Facebook earlier today:

So glad the word is out. We met Josh and Brent on the Talgo Night Train to Paris in June when they were in the middle of racing and filming. Caroline and I will be watching on the 30th and cheering them on. Spoiler alert, when we met them there were four teams left!


I don't know if this is something we already knew or not, but it appears that the Beekman Boys are in the final four. They are getting one of the largest reactions on Twitter, so that will probably help ratings.  :tup: The fact that the Facebook poster doesn't mention other teams may be bad news for the Beekman Boys though.

Also, I'm not sure we ever nailed down which trains were used in France, so this may help with that.

And we've the strong presumption that the Twinnies are the last team eliminated (racing as decoys with Abbie & Ryan around Lombardi's Pizza); but they were spotted racing to became one of the F3 in France:

The author of the tweet and this photo was nice enough to respond back to me.
The photo was taken at Château de Chenonceau ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Chenonceau) just west of Tours
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb365/walkingpneumonia/Chateau_de_Chenonceau.jpg)
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb365/walkingpneumonia/SMChateau_de_Chenonceau.jpg)

So we can spec that the final elimination is in Leg 11, on France.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Flamant on November 27, 2012, 08:26:13 AM
Was just wondering one thing: the pics of Abbie/Ryan and Natalie/Nadiya acting like decoys in NY, who posted them? Was it the production who put them on twitter? Because, if I remember correctly, those were one of the first posts on a newly created account. And how would normal people know that this was TAR, with the two teams having no cameras around them? Maybe I'm missing something...

Shouldn't the point of having decoys are to mess up spoilers? We didn't had pics of all the final three. But with these ones posted, it just revealed us who made it and who didn't.

Unless those were taking at the end of the day, after the race finished, with the tweenies, who are actually in the final three, doing decoy work with an eliminated team to mess us up. But I may going to far :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on November 27, 2012, 08:48:25 AM
Was just wondering one thing: the pics of Abbie/Ryan and Natalie/Nadiya acting like decoys in NY, who posted them? Was it the production who put them on twitter? Because, if I remember correctly, those were one of the first posts on a newly created account. And how would normal people know that this was TAR, with the two teams having no cameras around them? Maybe I'm missing something...

Shouldn't the point of having decoys are to mess up spoilers? We didn't had pics of all the final three. But with these ones posted, it just revealed us who made it and who didn't.

Unless those were taking at the end of the day, after the race finished, with the tweenies, who are actually in the final three, doing decoy work with an eliminated team to mess us up. But I may going to far :lol:

They were posted - as you can check in the Sightings thread - at the same time all the other sightings that day.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2012, 10:06:51 AM
Alenaveda is correct.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on November 27, 2012, 01:25:47 PM
the preview for sundays leg says olny 2 episodes left. how can that be? spain, france, nyc.  ?????
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 27, 2012, 01:26:40 PM
the preview for sundays leg says olny 2 episodes left. how can that be? spain, france, nyc.  ?????

mabye paris and new york is comebine this might be elimatoin leg
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on November 27, 2012, 01:38:19 PM
the preview for sundays leg says olny 2 episodes left. how can that be? spain, france, nyc.  ?????

Two TV episodes and three legs..........one leg/episode this week. Next week is 2 hour TV episode with legs 11 and 12.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on November 27, 2012, 09:40:19 PM
Next leg is a NEL.  Leg 11 - France - wil still have 4 teams racing and - as in Osaka last season - is in that place where it's going to be eliminated the last team.

You sure about that Alenaveda?

I also have today a confirmation from someone who was that day in Mallorca that this is a NEL.

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 27, 2012, 09:54:29 PM
Well its also educated guessing considering the penultimate leg is most always an elimination minus like 4 season... :res:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jobby on November 28, 2012, 10:49:00 PM
It can always change for all you know. People are just trying to make a confirmation.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kavie on November 29, 2012, 10:30:17 PM
I actually don't get the point of those eliminated teams decoying while there ain't camaras follow them. I mean, they're decoying but we still can see it easily
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jobby on November 30, 2012, 12:13:11 AM
I actually don't get the point of those eliminated teams decoying while there ain't camaras follow them. I mean, they're decoying but we still can see it easily

We can only see it easily because of the TAR Detectives.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kavie on November 30, 2012, 01:52:25 AM
I actually don't get the point of those eliminated teams decoying while there ain't camaras follow them. I mean, they're decoying but we still can see it easily

We can only see it easily because of the TAR Detectives.

People who are fans of the show like us will know for sure. If they want to decoy, they should also have cameras follow those teams   :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on November 30, 2012, 07:27:12 PM
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If they want to decoy, they should also have cameras follow those teams
  :waves: Sometimes they do: watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEbZ_kCGSDE) and see if something JDLR (just doesn't look right).
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: steve2013 on December 01, 2012, 09:14:13 PM
so the speculation is the chips lexi/trey & goat farmers are the F3 is that correct.

If so the twins must have some sort of bad luck to get beaten to F3 by the goat farmers. If true i guess with those 3 im wanting the chips to win.

Also agree with poster about decoys whats the point if not going to give them a camera crew as the people there trying to stop from getting spoilers will know there decoys if they have no camera crew there
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2012, 09:22:54 PM
shhh, lol!
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RachelLeVega on December 02, 2012, 01:29:47 PM
so the speculation is the chips lexi/trey & goat farmers are the F3 is that correct.

If so the twins must have some sort of bad luck to get beaten to F3 by the goat farmers. If true i guess with those 3 im wanting the chips to win.

Also agree with poster about decoys whats the point if not going to give them a camera crew as the people there trying to stop from getting spoilers will know there decoys if they have no camera crew there
The twins might have had more self-driving problems as shown in episode 10's extended previews. They are capable of completing the tasks easily, so it's a 50:50 chance taking in account of transportation vs. tough tasks.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on December 02, 2012, 08:42:44 PM
Lexi pulled something on the promo of the finale. Really seems like the "Hello" and "Goodbye" for chinese. We knew this was coming , that's why we had subtitles.
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 02, 2012, 08:45:32 PM
Lexi pulled something on the promo of the finale. Really seems like the "Hello" and "Goodbye" for chinese. We knew this was coming , that's why we had subtitles.

Yeah - it will be an interesting challenge! Glad they are doing it! :hoot: :hoot:
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: BuuYaa on December 03, 2012, 11:06:33 AM
OH MY GOD I am so excited they're doing the Hello-Goodbye Challenge YAY!!!!

I am from Indonesia. So if I were in that challenge, I at least would nail that one.  :hoot:

"Welcome -> Selamat Datang"
"Good-Bye -> Selamat Tinggal"

I am super excited to see my own language in The Amazing Race  :hearts:

My picks to win
-The Chippendales -- such nice guys. Yes they played the U-turn but I don't know I don't feel shame on them at all.
-Trexie -- They're so traditional It's too cute  :kuss:. I don't know what will they do with a million dollars, for them I think it's too much money to handle.
-Beekmans -- The luckiest team in the history I think.
1. They survived because of a NEL
2. They survived because Rob&Kelley took a train all the way through
3. They survived because James&Abba lost their passport
4. They survived because James&Abba still lost their passport
5. They survived because Abbie&Ryan got U-Turned
5. They survived because the Twins could not drive sticks.
I don't think a season has ever had these many misfortunes which pushed a specific team ahead.
-Twins -- As soon as I found out these two couldn't drive sticks, I didn't know what kind a miracle they pulled if they actually won


Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 03, 2012, 12:57:10 PM

 :bigwelcome   :hithere:   Selamat bergabung di RFF..!

welcome to RFF BuuYaa!  i like your name as it sounds..  :lol:

Enjoy!

Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: RachelLeVega on December 03, 2012, 06:01:40 PM
OH MY GOD I am so excited they're doing the Hello-Goodbye Challenge YAY!!!!

I am from Indonesia. So if I were in that challenge, I at least would nail that one.  :hoot:

"Welcome -> Selamat Datang"
"Good-Bye -> Selamat Tinggal"

I am super excited to see my own language in The Amazing Race  :hearts:

My picks to win
-The Chippendales -- such nice guys. Yes they played the U-turn but I don't know I don't feel shame on them at all.
-Trexie -- They're so traditional It's too cute  :kuss:. I don't know what will they do with a million dollars, for them I think it's too much money to handle.
-Beekmans -- The luckiest team in the history I think.
1. They survived because of a NEL
2. They survived because Rob&Kelley took a train all the way through
3. They survived because James&Abba lost their passport
4. They survived because James&Abba still lost their passport
5. They survived because Abbie&Ryan got U-Turned
5. They survived because the Twins could not drive sticks.
I don't think a season has ever had these many misfortunes which pushed a specific team ahead.
-Twins -- As soon as I found out these two couldn't drive sticks, I didn't know what kind a miracle they pulled if they actually won

:cmas9 Welcome to RFF, BuuYaa! :cmas9 I'm so excited to meet new people at this site.

Like you, I love the farewell language memory task. I can't wait for the finale (but sad when this season ends :cmas4).

Josh & Brent are very lucky to still be in the race bypassing namely Dan & Andrew's (season 13) second to last record and maybe even season 2 Australian version's Lucy & Emilia, but Lucy & Emilia might have appeared luckier than the "goaties" as they were saved numerous times at the beginning and near end of their race...
Episode 1: Last place (saved from elimination by Ross & Tarryn's Salvage Pass)
Episode 2: 10th place (saved from elimination by Adam & Dane's 30-minute penalty)
Episode 3: 9th place (saved by Sue & Teresa's unluckiness in the steps Roadblock which led to a rickshaw race for last)
Episode 4: 8th place (saved from elimination by Kym & Donna totally giving up the race)
Episode 5: 6th place (saved by Ross & Tarryn and James & Sarah's mind bomb leading to a penalty for the Roadblock)
Episode 9: 5th place (saved from elimination by James & Sarah's inability to pay their taxi driver to the Pit Stop quicker)
Episode 10: Last place (ELIMINATED for inability to cope with snow tasks) :cmas13
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazinglatinoamericafan on December 03, 2012, 06:27:39 PM
Every week i search the amazing race website and the Last team to arrive is in background photo this week are the twennies :cmas4
Title: Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Theo on December 03, 2012, 06:32:00 PM
That's because they arrived in last place at this leg, right?
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