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Title: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 04, 2011, 01:52:07 PM
TAR 20 filming should be getting underway later this month.   :hearts:
 
 
As always, per RFF's practices, exact info on teams, locations and especially possible start city will be withheld until it is believed that the teams are safely underway and it is possible to share without jeopardizing anyone's chances.
 
 
This thread will be opened as the race begins!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: coolio on November 12, 2011, 08:08:38 PM
I found this tweet...


  please review the rules. NO contestant spoilers can be discussed publicly, that puts them at risk for being kicked off immediately.
 
Good find, PM me.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 13, 2011, 06:22:00 PM
phil has been on yet twiter for 36 can we check califonia twiter again
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 26, 2011, 10:09:16 PM
Asuncion, Paraguay. No flights out of there to LAX from what I can identify, possibly a connector to reach that destination?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 26, 2011, 10:10:59 PM
Asuncion, Paraguay. No flights out of there to LAX from what I can identify, possibly a connector to reach that destination?

There are flights to Lima tonight and Lima is an airport that connects to Paraguay. No connections exist between the USA and PGY
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: maxen on November 26, 2011, 10:11:39 PM
Asuncion, Paraguay. No flights out of there to LAX from what I can identify, possibly a connector to reach that destination?

They could go to Panama City, Sao Paulo or Lima to get there.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Amazingracer on November 26, 2011, 10:14:59 PM
TACA Peru has flights from Lima to Asuncion.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Amazingracer on November 26, 2011, 10:16:11 PM
TACA Peru has flights from Lima to Asuncion.

The flight that was supposed to leave today was canceled.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 26, 2011, 10:20:44 PM
Here is a bit of speculation.

http://www.elingspark.org/

Elings Park in Santa Barbara was closed all day today. Maybe it was for the start line of the race.

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 26, 2011, 10:20:57 PM
Edit: Was just looking at posting the above.

They will need connectors to get to Asuncion, Paraguay. These are flights tonight out of LAX to possible connecting points with flights available thereon to Paraguay, these are two flights out of LAX tonight connecting to a point in South America?!:

  Lan Peru  LP2605 LIM  Lima 20:10 20:45  B  Scheduled 
  COPA  CM303 PTY  Panama City 00:58 01:13  6 66 Scheduled 

However the airport in Lima, Jorge Chaves Airport does not have a flight to Asuncion....hoax?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 26, 2011, 10:22:08 PM
Edit: Was just looking at posting the above.

They will need connectors to get to Asuncion, Paraguay. These are flights tonight out of LAX to possible connecting points with flights available thereon to Paraguay, these are two flights out of LAX tonight connecting to a point in South America?!:

  Lan Peru  LP2605 LIM  Lima 20:10 20:45  B  Scheduled 
  COPA  CM303 PTY  Panama City 00:58 01:13  6 66 Scheduled 

However the airport in Lima, Jorge Chaves Airport does not have a flight to Asuncion....hoax?

Peru is pure speculation on my behalf. Not sure if it was mentioned in any of the tweets. On wikipedia Lima is listed with an airport connection to Asuncion airport.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 26, 2011, 10:26:26 PM
The tweeter who said it was Paraguay is now saying they are all at American Airlines. Hmm!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 26, 2011, 10:27:46 PM
The tweeter who said it was Paraguay is now saying they are all at American Airlines. Hmm!

Match!!! the airlines.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2011, 10:27:56 PM
Take it with a BIG grain of salt for now...PARAGUAY is NOT confirmed.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 26, 2011, 10:29:01 PM
I'm thinking it's the whole salt shaker at the moment, peach. Leafsfan, what have you got? Match?...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazing race fan on November 26, 2011, 10:30:04 PM
Take it with a BIG grain of salt for now...PARAGUAY is NOT confirmed.

Can we even confirm that the race has definitely started? This is a perfect time for a couple fake tweets, as this is a time many were expecting TAR 20 would start.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 26, 2011, 10:30:15 PM
I'm thinking it's the whole salt shaker at the moment, peach. Leafsfan, what have you got? Match?...

Any AA flights to cities that fly to a city that has connections to Asuncion.

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 26, 2011, 10:30:53 PM
Take it with a BIG grain of salt for now...PARAGUAY is NOT confirmed.

Can we even confirm that the race has definitely started? This is a perfect time for a couple fake tweets, as this is a time many were expecting TAR 20 would start.

Three different ppl have tweeted it. So I don't think its false they started.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazing race fan on November 26, 2011, 10:34:51 PM
Someone on twitter mentioned that Brenchel might be on this season of TAR. It was posted on twitter right around when we got our first tweets for the start of TAR, so its quite possible that someone saw them or knows that they are on TAR 20. Brendan hasn't tweeted in almost a week, while Rachel tweeted today, although someone could be tweeting for Rachel. Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised to see these two on TAR 20.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 26, 2011, 10:35:46 PM
Leafsfan, it is possible it is fake, but we cant be sure. Keep scouring social media and looking up on flights!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 26, 2011, 10:55:06 PM
This is pure spec, but there are some flights to Auckland leaving tonight at LAX...

Numerous flights leaving at 9:15pm that arrive at 7:15AM
Numerous flights leaving at 10pm arriving at 8AM
Numerous flights leaving at 11:25pm arriving at 9:50AM

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on November 26, 2011, 11:07:27 PM
In the photo posted on Twitter, we see a team walking past Gate 42B. This is in Terminal 4. Unless someone is very lost, they shouldn't find their way to Terminal 4 unless they were departing from there. The only international departures from Terminal 4 left this evening are two Qantas flights to

Auckland and Brisbane!!

Auckland leaves at 23.25 and Brisbane leaves at 23.50, with both gates TBC.

There's still the possibility that teams are transiting in an American city, but recent seasons suggest that this is unlikely.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 26, 2011, 11:09:33 PM
First TAR20 pic, shorter redhead...Brenchel?  :'(
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26453.0;attach=196364;image)

Brendon has a shaved head, unless it grew back in 3 months... :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 26, 2011, 11:10:11 PM
On twitter Brendon indicated he is growing it out!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 26, 2011, 11:11:56 PM
In the photo posted on Twitter, we see a team walking past Gate 42B. This is in Terminal 4. Unless someone is very lost, they shouldn't find their way to Terminal 4 unless they were departing from there. The only international departures from Terminal 4 left this evening are two Qantas flights to

Auckland and Brisbane!!

Auckland leaves at 23.25 and Brisbane leaves at 23.50, with both gates TBC.

There's still the possibility that teams are transiting in an American city, but recent seasons suggest that this is unlikely.

Thing is there is no way to know if they were just walking by there.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on November 26, 2011, 11:13:15 PM
I have to say it wouldn't be surprising if Rachel ended up on the show, seeing as one of her best friends was on this season
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 26, 2011, 11:13:30 PM
Australia again? Impossible...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on November 26, 2011, 11:14:14 PM
Thing is there is no way to know if they were just walking by there.

True, but if you look at a map of LAX, they'd have to walk a very long way to get there if they were in any other terminal. And to be honest, production probably isn't too keen on them wandering around the entire airport. I think its safe to say that this team are departing from Terminal 4.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 26, 2011, 11:16:08 PM
Thing is there is no way to know if they were just walking by there.

True, but if you look at a map of LAX, they'd have to walk a very long way to get there if they were in any other terminal. And to be honest, production probably isn't too keen on them wandering around the entire airport. I think its safe to say that this team are departing from Terminal 4.

American Airlines, American Eagle and Qantas all fly out of terminal 4
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 26, 2011, 11:16:37 PM
Australia again? Impossible...

Not really, Australia has been visited every other season once, season 2(Sydney/Cooper Pedy) and then again in season 4(Mooloolaba/Cairns) so it can be possible.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 26, 2011, 11:17:44 PM
Is it Terminal 4 or Terminal 2, what are your ideas on Auckland, New Zealand?!:

      Air New Zealand    NZ1   AKL    Auckland   21:15   21:40 Estimated Departure Time    2    Scheduled   

      Air New Zealand    NZ5   AKL    Auckland   22:00   22:19 Estimated Departure Time    2    Scheduled   Set cell phone or email alert for this flight   
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on November 26, 2011, 11:18:55 PM
American Airlines, American Eagle and Qantas all fly out of terminal 4

Correct me if I'm wrong but as I stated above, I believe only Qantas has international flights leaving this evening.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 26, 2011, 11:19:33 PM
Australia again? Impossible...

Not really, Australia has been visited every other season once, season 2(Sydney/Cooper Pedy) and then again in season 4(Mooloolaba/Cairns) so it can be possible.

First leg again? after Amazing Race 18 seems unlikely but anything is possible.

Spec is that the start line was in Santa Barbara at Elings Park due to the park being closed all day today.

American Airlines, American Eagle and Qantas all fly out of terminal 4

Correct me if I'm wrong but as I stated above, I believe only Qantas has international flights leaving this evening.

Yea you said that, but you overlooked the possibility of them flying to a different USA city (Like TAR16 LAX To Dallas then to Chile).
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 26, 2011, 11:19:39 PM
Fiji!!

Air Pacific   FJ811   NAN   Nadi   21:30      B   Scheduled      
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 26, 2011, 11:20:07 PM
They were seen near Terminal 2, Qantas and Air New Zealand have flights to Brisbane and Auckland. Does anyone think Asuncion was actually Auckland?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazing race fan on November 26, 2011, 11:20:59 PM
I don't think they are heading to Brisbane or any part of Australia. They were just there in season 18, so it makes no sense for TAR to revisit Australia so soon. New Zealand on the other hand makes sense. TAR hasn't been there since Season 13, so that is a distinct possibility.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on November 26, 2011, 11:21:45 PM
American Eagle   MQ3193   SJC   San Jose   21:20   21:34    4 44G   Scheduled   

Costa Rica maybe?

SJC is the airport code for San Jose, California not San Jose, Costa Rica!  :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 26, 2011, 11:22:00 PM
They were seen near Terminal 2, Qantas and Air New Zealand have flights to Brisbane and Auckland. Does anyone think Asuncion was actually Auckland?

Possibly that sounds like a very strong possiblity. Some one tweet this to that tweeter!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on November 26, 2011, 11:24:04 PM
Yea you said that, but you overlooked the possibility of them flying to a different USA city (Like TAR16 LAX To Dallas then to Chile).
Quote from: Dom El
There's still the possibility that teams are transiting in an American city, but recent seasons suggest that this is unlikely.
Especially this late at night.

Is it Terminal 4 or Terminal 2, what are your ideas on Auckland, New Zealand?!:

      Air New Zealand    NZ1   AKL    Auckland   21:15   21:40 Estimated Departure Time    2    Scheduled   

      Air New Zealand    NZ5   AKL    Auckland   22:00   22:19 Estimated Departure Time    2    Scheduled   Set cell phone or email alert for this flight

Yup, so those ones you've listed are departing from Terminal 2, whereas the Qantas flight, leaving at 23.25, departs from Terminal 4.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 26, 2011, 11:27:32 PM
The Qantas Flight @ 23:50pm is going to Brisbane. Are the teams in Terminal 2 or 4, that will give us a pretty good answer...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 26, 2011, 11:28:52 PM
The Qantas Flight @ 23:50pm is going to Brisbane. Are the teams in Terminal 2 or 4, that will give us a pretty good answer...

I believe Dom El said terminal 4?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 26, 2011, 11:29:56 PM
Between 23hrs and 1hr we have 2 flights to México City and 2 flights to Seoul too...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 26, 2011, 11:30:08 PM
Well that may be the clincher! Need confirmation of that...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 26, 2011, 11:33:00 PM
In the picture above,that flag is from Italy or Mexico? Because we have two flight leaving to México City today!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ovalorange on November 26, 2011, 11:34:26 PM
Lunallena001 Marisol Wills
The Amazing Race teams @ LAX!!! Close encounter!!
40 seconds ago

I'm a bit suspicious of this one. Almost all of her tweets have been to Phil Keoghan, Jerry Bruckheimer or Jeff Probst. I have no reason to say she hasn't seen the racers at LAX, but she appears to be a super fan.

That was my thinking too. Her description says she wants to be on TAR and can't find a partner, I think she is just a fan.

Although she has been in Vietnam this past week, I wouldn't rule it out just yet...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on November 26, 2011, 11:37:08 PM
Still just speculation:

IF teams are travelling to Brisbane, they could be on one of these two flights:
DEP 2255 ARR 0700 V Australia (Codeshared with Delta) from Terminal 3
DEP 2350 ARR 0750 Qantas (Codeshared with American) from Terminal 4

IF teams are travelling to Auckland, they could be on one of these three flights:
DEP 2115 ARR 0715 Air New Zealand (Codeshared with US, Continental) from Terminal 2
DEP 2200 ARR 0800 Air New Zealand (Codeshared with US, Continental) from Terminal 2
DEP 2325 ARR 0950 Qantas (Codeshared with American) from Terminal 4
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 26, 2011, 11:44:21 PM
The flight is going to MIAMI!

Miami usually means a Caribbean or a S/America first leg!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 26, 2011, 11:44:54 PM
The flight is going to MIAMI!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kacper on November 26, 2011, 11:49:36 PM
The flight is going to MIAMI!

Miami usually means a Caribbean or a S/America first leg!

Are you kidding? Lol. I JUST got back from Florida...like an hour ago  :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Amazingracer on November 26, 2011, 11:50:51 PM
I was at MIA this afternoon!!!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 26, 2011, 11:53:47 PM
We have,Miami to Guatemala City,two flights.to St Thomas,two flights,San José,two flights and San Juan,two flights.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 26, 2011, 11:54:17 PM
The flight is going to MIAMI!

Miami usually means a Caribbean or a S/America first leg!

Are you kidding? Lol. I JUST got back from Florida...like an hour ago  :groan:

Unless I overlooked something, no.

----

NO celebrity sightings of yet!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kelsey_x on November 26, 2011, 11:57:26 PM
From horchataa Nick Sherwood

"The 2 girls in matching purple asked where I was going"

Too bad he didn't ask them where they are headed
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Amazingracer on November 26, 2011, 11:58:03 PM
The flight is scheduled to land at 6:40. An early morning flight on a busy travel weekend, there should be sitings in the morning.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazing race fan on November 27, 2011, 12:01:12 AM
The flight is going to MIAMI!

Miami usually means a Caribbean or a S/America first leg!

Are you kidding? Lol. I JUST got back from Florida...like an hour ago  :groan:

Unless I overlooked something, no.

----

NO celebrity sightings of yet!

The man on the far left of the Terminal 4 picture looks a lot like Joe from Joe and Heidi of season 16. Peach said that we might see a previous racer with a new partner on this season.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on November 27, 2011, 12:02:33 AM
The flight is going to MIAMI!

Miami usually means a Caribbean or a S/America first leg!

Are you kidding? Lol. I JUST got back from Florida...like an hour ago  :groan:

Unless I overlooked something, no.

----

NO celebrity sightings of yet!

The man on the far left of the Terminal 4 picture looks a lot like Joe from Joe and Heidi of season 16. Peach said that we might see a previous racer with a new partner on this season.

Thought the same thing
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Amazingracer on November 27, 2011, 12:03:40 AM
Note: Only on American Airlines flights.

There are a variety of flights to many Latin American cities, many Caribbean cities out of Miami tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 27, 2011, 12:04:05 AM
Early flights from Miami have Central/South America as the favourites for the first destination.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 27, 2011, 12:06:42 AM
More pure spec :lol:

My wild guess is Caracas. A new place in a new country, possible flight combos,

CCS Caracas   S3 1516        SBA Airlines    10:15 AM      
CCS Caracas   AA 935   American Airlines    11:45 AM

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 27, 2011, 12:08:17 AM
More pure spec :lol:

My wild guess is Caracas. A new place in a new country, possible flight combos,

CCS Caracas   S3 1516        SBA Airlines    10:15 AM      
CCS Caracas   AA 935   American Airlines    11:45 AM

NO. Unlikely at best. Caracas is not safe.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazing race fan on November 27, 2011, 12:12:01 AM
@horchataa tweeted another picture http://pic.twitter.com/w36Y4RsI

I think we can confirm that Joe from season 16 is back for another try. I do not know who his partner is though.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 27, 2011, 12:16:43 AM
@horchataa tweeted another picture http://pic.twitter.com/w36Y4RsI

I think we can confirm that Joe from season 16 is back for another try. I do not know who his partner is though.
What do you mean with that?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ovalorange on November 27, 2011, 12:16:48 AM
@horchataa tweeted another picture http://pic.twitter.com/w36Y4RsI

Pure spec: Is that Brendon on the right in the Green shirt?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on November 27, 2011, 12:18:16 AM
@horchataa tweeted another picture http://pic.twitter.com/w36Y4RsI

I think we can confirm that Joe from season 16 is back for another try. I do not know who his partner is though.

I think we're a LONG, LONG way from confirming Joe is on TAR 20. All I see is someone with a slight resemblance to Joe. Let's not jump to conclusions.

Besides, he wasn't exactly a fan favorite, so I can't see why they would choose to bring him back.

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kelsey_x on November 27, 2011, 12:18:49 AM
@horchataa tweeted another picture http://pic.twitter.com/w36Y4RsI

Pure spec: Is that Brendon on the right in the Green shirt?

I thought so too, the girl in front of him could possibly be rachel but im not sure
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 27, 2011, 12:20:35 AM
I mean,who in the picture do you found that look like Joe?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on November 27, 2011, 12:22:46 AM
I mean,who in the picture do you found that look like Joe?

guy in the red bears a strong resemblance
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 27, 2011, 12:23:37 AM
True,really looks like.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on November 27, 2011, 12:40:45 AM
I mean,who in the picture do you found that look like Joe?

guy in the red bears a strong resemblance

He looks taller and younger than Joe to me. Maybe 10 years younger.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2011, 03:15:00 AM
Okay!

Here is the LAX to MIA AA276 info:

AA 276
Scheduled Departure: 10:55 PM - Sat 26-Nov-2011
Scheduled Arrival: 6:40 AM - Sun 27-Nov-2011 
Actual Departure: 11:23 PM - Sat 26-Nov-2011 
Estimated Gate Arrival: 6:52 AM - Sun 27-Nov-2011 
 

Possibles to MIA (does NOT exclude other possible flight to ultimate destination)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2020/LAX/a1ecfdde.jpg)

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on November 27, 2011, 03:26:03 AM
Edit: Nvm. Misread the Arrival Time...  :groan:  :umn:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on November 27, 2011, 03:42:40 AM
Do we know if all the teams were on AA276? If not, do we know if this was the leading group of teams or the trailing group of teams? Any ideas about a second flight?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on November 27, 2011, 04:05:35 AM
Here is a bit of speculation.

http://www.elingspark.org/

Elings Park in Santa Barbara was closed all day today. Maybe it was for the start line of the race.

Your link shows the two soccer fields reserved yesterday (Saturday) but not the other sites within the park. Last Saturday both soccer fields were reserved along with a softball field, Godric Grove and the picnic area. Next Saturday, both soccer fields, 2 softball fields, Godric Grove, the Fenton Davidson site and the picnic area are reserved at various times. If anything, Elings Park was less busy today than usual. Is there more evidence that I'm not seeing that indicated that the park was closed today?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2011, 04:28:18 AM
Possible good departures from Miami include:

Sao Paulo at 9 AM

Buenos Ares at 9

Belize at 955

Due to some other info  we have been aware of thanks to WP, I think BELIZE may be likely.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on November 27, 2011, 05:47:29 AM
If TAR 20 did start in the Santa Barbara area, one site that jumps out to me immediately as a scenic and photogenic starting location is the Santa Barbara Mission (http://santabarbaramission.org/ (http://santabarbaramission.org/)). It's considered the most beautiful of the Spanish Missions built in California. Less likely would be Hearst Castle (http://www.hearstcastle.org/ (http://www.hearstcastle.org/)) ( the massive estate that William Randolph Hearst built in 1920s-1940s) and the town of Solvang (http://www.solvangusa.com/ (http://www.solvangusa.com/) - sort of a mock up of a Danish village). Hearst Castle is fabulous, but it's about 150 miles up the coast from Santa Barbara (230 miles from Los Angeles) and that would be a really long drive from there to LAX. Solvang is about 30 to 40 miles up the coast and I really don't think it's special enough to make the cut for TAR. I looked around on sites for all three places and couldn't find any indication that any of them were closed yesterday. However, they are all busy tourist attractions, so it seems likely that we would have seen some tweets in they were filming there.

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on November 27, 2011, 05:50:19 AM
The Miami flight should be landing any minute now.. Eyes on the prize guys!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on November 27, 2011, 06:18:02 AM
If Belize turns out to be correct, I think I've come up with a possible travel scenario.

Half the teams travel on the known flight to Miami on American Airlines:
AA276  22.55 > 06.40

Then connect to Belize by one of two flights, both American Airlines:
1. AA2103 09.55 > 11.10
2. AA2173 13.15 > 14.25

The other half of the teams fly to Houston on Continental:
CO1614 00.30 > 05.35

Then connect to Belize by one of two flights, both Continental:
1. CO1407 09.20 > 11.49
2. CO1410 13.25 > 15.53


If they use combination 1, teams will arrive half an hour apart, whereas combination 2 would leave teams 1.5 hours apart.

Just a theory at the moment, but it seems to tick all the boxes so far..
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2011, 06:51:13 AM
It apparently landed a little early:



Flight Status for American Airlines 276
Landed   
Departure   LAX   11:23pm   (was 10:55pm)   Terminal 4
Los Angeles   Nov 26      Gate 42B
Arrival   MIA   6:48am   (was 6:43am)   Terminal N
Miami   Nov 27      Gate D8
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 27, 2011, 06:54:26 AM
check flighjt form to belize
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on November 27, 2011, 07:34:44 AM
Hmm.. Phil just responded to a Facebook post. I doubt very much he has someone posting on his behalf there, as he frequently converses with family and friends. Could he be at the Leg One destination already? Or just taking advantage of some free airport Wi-Fi?!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2011, 07:44:17 AM
Right now they are most likely at a layover in Miami airport. Hopefully someone will spot them there! The Belize flight would arrive by noon EST so he's hoping the leg will be over in eight hours so he can do the TAR19 episode :lol:

If they are going to Belize then there are multiple opportunities there for ziplining, cave tubing, kayaking, and diving.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 27, 2011, 07:47:01 AM
ummm this is strange phil just tweet 46min ago

@DGEvans79 Sunset over port Vila bay, Efate, Vanuatu. A must visit for a leg of the #AmazingRace pic.twitter.com/Jn7zRceG >>> Keep them coming
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2011, 07:49:01 AM
of course PHIL can tweet...or someone can for him. :groan: And his wife does his FB sometimes.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 27, 2011, 09:31:15 AM
If Belize is confirmed it will become the closest leg to the continental USA as the first leg (excluding the Family edition).
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 27, 2011, 09:40:05 AM
My looking at the flight connections from Philip S. W. Goldson International Airport in  Belize, the only international destinations are:

Cancún
Guatemala City
San Pedro Sula
San Salvador

We have a limited choice for the next leg has to at least connect through if Belize is the first leg. 3/4 are new countries!



New tweet suggests a Buenos Aires first leg.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: NumfarPTB on November 27, 2011, 10:02:02 AM
If Buenos AIres is valid, so Miami Flight will probably connect through Sao Paulo. Someone did list a flight to Sao Paulo a few posts ago.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2011, 10:06:19 AM
there is a direct flight from Miami

AA 961
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 27, 2011, 10:07:15 AM
If it arrives late at night, my spec is that they go to someplace and get a departure time like earlier seasons.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2011, 10:08:10 AM
RIP Belize...again.  :'(
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on November 27, 2011, 10:10:40 AM
The flight should be

MIA 10.55 (delayed till 11.15) to EZE arriving at about 21.50.

Getting to Terminal North, it seems.

This could be something like TAR:AS Leg 1? Getting in the middle of the night to South America and then getting Departure Times for the following morning?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on November 27, 2011, 10:13:26 AM
Also, the one who posted about the flight in Twitter (Spanish) has said that he's got his wall plenty of people asking for pictures and he said something really awful about that.

Maybe he doesn't want more petitions about that, :lol:

Any Spanish things you need, don't hesitate to ask me, :D
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 27, 2011, 10:14:36 AM
Going back to the Asuncion tweet, any chance that Buenos Aires is a transfer flight there?

Hoax!

==========

Now to scouting locations in Buenos Aires.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2011, 10:17:20 AM
Do NOT trust the Asuncion info, believed to be a hoax...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on November 27, 2011, 10:18:05 AM
Going back to the Asuncion tweet, any chance that Buenos Aires is a transfer flight there?

Most of the flights to Asunción come from Sao Paulo, Montevideo, Buenos Aires (both, AEP and EZE) or other minor cities as Ciudad del Este, or Santa Cruz. Definitely, it could be Buenos Aires, but if it is Asunción, which may also be, teams would need a flight from the said cities.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 27, 2011, 10:32:17 AM
will remeber last season because valconan ash they had cancel that leg and do rush into tawain
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2011, 10:38:04 AM
will remeber last season because valconan ash they had cancel that leg and do rush into tawain

No zach, Taiwan was planned months before. ;)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 27, 2011, 10:44:00 AM
will remeber last season because valconan ash they had cancel that leg and do rush into tawain

No zach, Taiwan was planned months before. ;)

where did read that form
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on November 27, 2011, 10:52:56 AM
No Belize?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 27, 2011, 10:54:00 AM
i thought Argentina
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 27, 2011, 10:59:20 AM
No Belize?

Unfortunately no Belize this time around. Looks like Argentina is the first leg.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: maxen on November 27, 2011, 11:04:25 AM
Now it could be Peru  :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 27, 2011, 11:08:47 AM
Argentina and Peru??!

Both destinations fly to a particular city I will not mention, because it is believed to be false.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: maxen on November 27, 2011, 11:10:20 AM
Maybe one flight is conecting in Buenos Aires to Lima and the other one is a direct flight  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2011, 11:11:39 AM
BOTH the tweeters about Lima are brand new, we need a pic or somethng before trusting this.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on November 27, 2011, 11:13:11 AM
Definitely, because of the arrival times, I'd say that if the destination was Lima or Buenos Aires, some teams would get REALLY far behind than others; most probably, those who would have to go to their destination (the ones in Lima if the destination is Buenos Aires, or the ones in BA if the destination is Lima) would probably have to wait for the following day to get on a flight.

What if it's another place? I mean, having Buenos Aires and Lima as transfer points only.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on November 27, 2011, 11:14:08 AM
Maybe one flight is conecting in Buenos Aires to Lima and the other one is a direct flight  :duno:

The time difference would be really wide talking about a first leg, I think...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: maxen on November 27, 2011, 11:15:38 AM

What if it's another place? I mean, having Buenos Aires and Lima as transfer points only.

If that is the case the options could be La Paz, Asuncion or Santiago.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on November 27, 2011, 11:17:50 AM

What if it's another place? I mean, having Buenos Aires and Lima as transfer points only.

If that is the case the options could be La Paz, Asuncion or Santiago.

Or any little city in Perú that depends on any bigger airport?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 27, 2011, 11:24:15 AM
Can some cross reference this:

When is the LIma flight landing and when is the Buenos Aires flight landing? Secondly see if there is any flights leaving ASAP from each of these cities to the other one and check their landing times as well.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: krabbe on November 27, 2011, 11:28:13 AM
What if it's another place? I mean, having Buenos Aires and Lima as transfer points only.

I doubt they have 2 transit points (Miami & Lima/BA) for the 1st leg.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on November 27, 2011, 11:30:30 AM
Can some cross reference this:

When is the LIma flight landing and when is the Buenos Aires flight landing? Secondly see if there is any flights leaving ASAP from each of these cities to the other one and check their landing times as well.

Lima one at around 1800.

Buenos Aires one arrives at 2150.

The first flight then from Lima to Buenos Aires departs at 2205 and arrives at 0425 (+1)...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on November 27, 2011, 11:31:58 AM
What if it's another place? I mean, having Buenos Aires and Lima as transfer points only.

I doubt they have 2 transit points (Miami & Lima/BA) for the 1st leg.

BTW, if we're assuming Lima or BA are the destination, some teams are ALREADY going via 2 transit points.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on November 27, 2011, 11:41:45 AM
So, if there are no more hoaxes, and we *think* Lima and Buenos Aires are possible, we could have this by the moment.

(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z324/DaveRFF/flights-1.jpg)

Now, we should see what is production's choice: staying in Lima, staying in Buenos Aires or going to another city.

Staying in Lima would give teams who flew directly there a 10-hour lead or so.

Staying in Buenos Aires would give teams who flew there a big lead too.

That's why I'm thinking of another city.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2011, 11:46:32 AM
Don't trust Peru yet, we have nothing but tweets from brand new twits. :res:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 27, 2011, 11:49:42 AM
might be final we see Machu Picchu
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on November 27, 2011, 11:51:08 AM
Don't trust Peru yet, we have nothing but tweets from brand new twits. :res:

I don't trust it 100%, I'm only supposing it could be right.

In case it was not right, would we have ALL teams flying together from the LAX to Buenos Aires in the same planes?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on November 27, 2011, 11:52:35 AM
Looking at the map with routes above, I would guess leg 1 is either in Bolivia (La Paz, Cochamba, or Santa Cruz) or Paraguay (Asuncion) is reachable from both Lima and Buenos Aires.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 27, 2011, 12:12:22 PM
Well in past season there are usually 2 flights. One having the advantage. Since American Airlines is a sponsor they are, or one of their partners,   have the best flight. Its possible the teams actually split up on the two different flights in Miami, and we wont see that on TV.  What we might see are "two flights" departing LAX at different times, when in reality we will know it was Miami.

So Teams could be transiting through Lima to get to the real first leg. Just as other teams are transiting through Buenos Aires.

Or we are being lead a stray. :P
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Lucybell on November 27, 2011, 02:27:30 PM
If TAR 20 did start in the Santa Barbara area, one site that jumps out to me immediately as a scenic and photogenic starting location is the Santa Barbara Mission (http://santabarbaramission.org/ (http://santabarbaramission.org/)). It's considered the most beautiful of the Spanish Missions built in California. Less likely would be Hearst Castle (http://www.hearstcastle.org/ (http://www.hearstcastle.org/)) ( the massive estate that William Randolph Hearst built in 1920s-1940s) and the town of Solvang (http://www.solvangusa.com/ (http://www.solvangusa.com/) - sort of a mock up of a Danish village). Hearst Castle is fabulous, but it's about 150 miles up the coast from Santa Barbara (230 miles from Los Angeles) and that would be a really long drive from there to LAX. Solvang is about 30 to 40 miles up the coast and I really don't think it's special enough to make the cut for TAR. I looked around on sites for all three places and couldn't find any indication that any of them were closed yesterday. However, they are all busy tourist attractions, so it seems likely that we would have seen some tweets in they were filming there.

I love Solvang!  Been there a couple times!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: LoveRocked on November 27, 2011, 02:35:01 PM
I think It's start location before going to airport. I'm not sure.

(http://i40.[banned image hosting site].com/fnboe8.png)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2011, 02:36:55 PM
It looks like Phil is responding to someone suggesting that the Race go to Vanuatu.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on November 27, 2011, 02:44:20 PM
Thing is there is no way to know if they were just walking by there.

True, but if you look at a map of LAX, they'd have to walk a very long way to get there if they were in any other terminal. And to be honest, production probably isn't too keen on them wandering around the entire airport. I think its safe to say that this team are departing from Terminal 4.

American Airlines, American Eagle and Qantas all fly out of terminal 4

I flew Qantas this summer to Australia and back from New Zealand. To quote from the website for Qantas at LAX, "Check-in now opens at 2pm for evening Qantas departures from both Tom Bradley International Terminal and American Airlines Terminal 4." I can state with certainty that Qantas operates out of Bradley International Terminal as well as Terminal 4. 

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on November 27, 2011, 02:50:24 PM
If TAR 20 did start in the Santa Barbara area, one site that jumps out to me immediately as a scenic and photogenic starting location is the Santa Barbara Mission (http://santabarbaramission.org/ (http://santabarbaramission.org/)). It's considered the most beautiful of the Spanish Missions built in California. Less likely would be Hearst Castle (http://www.hearstcastle.org/ (http://www.hearstcastle.org/)) ( the massive estate that William Randolph Hearst built in 1920s-1940s) and the town of Solvang (http://www.solvangusa.com/ (http://www.solvangusa.com/) - sort of a mock up of a Danish village). Hearst Castle is fabulous, but it's about 150 miles up the coast from Santa Barbara (230 miles from Los Angeles) and that would be a really long drive from there to LAX. Solvang is about 30 to 40 miles up the coast and I really don't think it's special enough to make the cut for TAR. I looked around on sites for all three places and couldn't find any indication that any of them were closed yesterday. However, they are all busy tourist attractions, so it seems likely that we would have seen some tweets in they were filming there.

Hearst Castle and Solvang are both a long way from LAX. Santa Barbara is about 100 miles and a straight shot down freeways. Your logic on distances is sound, plaidmoon. It isn't going to be either Hearst Castle or Solvang.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on November 27, 2011, 03:23:51 PM
Let me offer some pure spec. The assumption that some have been making that teams would transfer to AA961 to go to Buenos Aires is probably not correct. that flight left at 1109 and is scheduled to arrive at 2139 (which I think is 739pm EST). However, there was an earlier flight from MIA EZE AR303 which left at 0900 arriving EZE 2018. That difference of 1 hour 21 minutes is crucial because there is a flight PZ700 from AEP (the other major Buenos Aires airport on the other side of the city center) leaving at 2210 arriving Asuncion 2359. That is a possible connection as teams will not have checked baggage, but they will have to hustle to make it. 

Paraguay has never been a host site for any Amazing Race leg. It is time to add it to the list of visited sites.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 27, 2011, 03:58:10 PM
When Brendon was evicted from the house for the second time he did say it was his "reality tv retirement" so for him to come back months later would be hypocritical.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Lucybell on November 27, 2011, 04:49:55 PM
When Brendon was evicted from the house for the second time he did say it was his "reality tv retirement" so for him to come back months later would be hypocritical.

LMAO Almost everything that came out of the mans mouth was hypocritical!  Not looking forward to this Brenchel Drama at all!  Gonna be a lot of whining and bitching going on! LOL
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kelsey_x on November 27, 2011, 04:51:24 PM
When Brendon was evicted from the house for the second time he did say it was his "reality tv retirement" so for him to come back months later would be hypocritical.

LMAO Almost everything that came out of the mans mouth was hypocritical!  Not looking forward to this Brenchel Drama at all!  Gonna be a lot of whining and bitching going on! LOL

I love brenchel, sometimes they have some redeeming moments but the rest of the time they provide a good laugh. I am excited see them on TAR, they are a tough physical force.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2011, 04:52:23 PM
TPTB are already justified in letting them onto the show...Twitter is in an uproar. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 27, 2011, 04:56:00 PM
Imagine if they win!  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 27, 2011, 05:06:37 PM
I don't actually like them, but am kind of looking forward to seeing them race. I am confident they will bring drama and a "love-hate" dynamic to the next season, and I feel that is what is missing from this season...all the teams just are too normal, no fighting, no drama. Great comedy though, and don't get me wrong I am really enjoying the 19th installment, but I am hopeful that we can have some good casting (whether there are some recruitments or not). I also hope at least 2 or 3 of the selected teams are actual applying fans, that is at least some consolation. We do need some real cracking teams though, I prefer drama really. Also, lets bring the race down a notch, I'd love to see editing be a tad less frantic, but I'm not sure if the race will ever reach TAR 1,3,5,7 or even 10, standard again. 17 and 18 were wonderful though really!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on November 27, 2011, 05:16:34 PM
Buh-rennan we need to get on the plane before all these fuh-loaters do!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 27, 2011, 05:23:12 PM
OHHHHHHH-MAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-GOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDD, HAAAAAA-HAAAAAA-HAAAAAA-HAAAA

Oh lord, I am having nightmares already!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2011, 05:28:01 PM
I have reopened the Bitch, Moan, And Squeal thread. Feel free to do the I love's and I hate's over there....and NOT in the Spec /Spoiler threads. Thanks!

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26538.new.html#new (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26538.new.html#new)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Lucybell on November 27, 2011, 05:32:55 PM
Buh-rennan we need to get on the plane before all these fuh-loaters do!

 :lol3:  :lol:  :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 27, 2011, 05:44:46 PM
I have reopened the Bitch, Moan, And Squeal thread. Feel free to do the I love's and I hate's over there....and NOT in the Spec /Spoiler threads. Thanks!

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26538.new.html#new (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26538.new.html#new)

Thanks Peach, was hanging out for that thread :) Now with this new flight information, it seems possible Asuncion, Paraguay may be our first stop? Also, I wonder if Chateau our friend, managed to grace LAX this time?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2011, 05:49:37 PM
I have NO reason to trust the Ascuncion Info as I have said and some to not....
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 27, 2011, 05:51:43 PM
And in reply, do we have ANY information relating to their layover in Miami, FL. Do we know what flight they then boarded thereafter. Am searching Twitter to no avail...still getting over the possibility that they might have been coming to Auckland, NZ. I was getting giddy  :neener: :iok
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on November 27, 2011, 05:57:05 PM
If TAR 20 did start in the Santa Barbara area, one site that jumps out to me immediately as a scenic and photogenic starting location is the Santa Barbara Mission (http://santabarbaramission.org/ (http://santabarbaramission.org/)). It's considered the most beautiful of the Spanish Missions built in California. Less likely would be Hearst Castle (http://www.hearstcastle.org/ (http://www.hearstcastle.org/)) ( the massive estate that William Randolph Hearst built in 1920s-1940s) and the town of Solvang (http://www.solvangusa.com/ (http://www.solvangusa.com/) - sort of a mock up of a Danish village). Hearst Castle is fabulous, but it's about 150 miles up the coast from Santa Barbara (230 miles from Los Angeles) and that would be a really long drive from there to LAX. Solvang is about 30 to 40 miles up the coast and I really don't think it's special enough to make the cut for TAR. I looked around on sites for all three places and couldn't find any indication that any of them were closed yesterday. However, they are all busy tourist attractions, so it seems likely that we would have seen some tweets in they were filming there.

I love Solvang!  Been there a couple times!

I haven't been to Solvang in 25 or 30 years and didn't do much more than stop for as meal on the drive to Los Angeles. I remember liking the place and thinking I should go back for a longer stop sometime, but I never did. Like Apskip, I think starting there would be a long shot.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on November 27, 2011, 06:01:51 PM
I have NO reason to trust the Ascuncion Info as I have said and some to not....

too bad...i'd luv to go to the airport 2nite n wait 4 them  :'(
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 27, 2011, 06:10:43 PM

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26538.new.html#new (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26538.new.html#new)

Thanks Peach, was hanging out for that thread :) Now with this new flight information, it seems possible Asuncion, Paraguay may be our first stop? Also, I wonder if Chateau our friend, managed to grace LAX this time?
[/quote]

There is a reason why our friend is missing!  :snicker:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2011, 06:12:38 PM
I have NO reason to trust the Ascuncion Info as I have said and some to not....

too bad...i'd luv to go to the airport 2nite n wait 4 them  :'(

Check your PM'S. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 27, 2011, 06:21:41 PM
I am going ahead and going to speculate more then one leg in South America with the first country having two legs or the second South American country to have two legs.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on November 27, 2011, 10:51:41 PM
Based on flights the only route that seems to work is going to Buenos Aires EZE:

Group 1 (the one we have pictures of at terminal 4):

AA 276 LAX MIA 10:55 pm landing at 6:40 am
AR 1303 MIA EZE 9:00 am landing at 7:50 pm

Group 2:

AM 469 LAX MEX 11:25 pm landing at 4:55 am
AM 30 MEX EZE 8:30 am landing at 8:50 pm
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2011, 10:53:23 PM
Thanks! Docol has been at Asuncion all eve, NO teams arrived there.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 27, 2011, 10:55:47 PM
Safe to say Paraguay is not the first leg, and Argentina is likely the first destination?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on November 27, 2011, 10:56:03 PM
Well guys...i did my best to try to spot teams at the Asuncion Airport...unfortunely, noting came! here's a shot at the airport

(http://a.yfrog.com/img736/5790/pipjfe.jpg)

What i did notice, is that the PZ700 flight arrived 40 minutes early....anyways, here are the flights that arrived while i was there:

(http://a.yfrog.com/img614/1465/gwkqx.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on November 27, 2011, 11:05:09 PM
CAN THIS MEAN ANYTHING....??? FOUND IT ON FB:

Jim Ries Hmmmm China, or New Zealand OR Australia?
3 hours ago · Like

Jim Ries I do know one thing...AMERICAN AIRLINES!!
2 hours ago · Like

Jim Ries Miami? Honolulu?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: bear on November 28, 2011, 12:34:20 AM
When Brendon was evicted from the house for the second time he did say it was his "reality tv retirement" so for him to come back months later would be hypocritical.

LMAO Almost everything that came out of the mans mouth was hypocritical!  Not looking forward to this Brenchel Drama at all!  Gonna be a lot of whining and bitching going on! LOL

And this is the man who said he's in such a big hurry to complete his PH D and he's going to find the cure for cancer.  What a joke, guess would rather keep playing games.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on November 28, 2011, 12:46:01 AM
Many US colleges have a schedule where classes for the fall semester ends in late November/early December, and the new semester starts in mid-January.

Its hard to know if Brendon took classes this semester or not, but if he had to wait until January to return to classes anyhow, then Brendon isn't missing any more class time by racing on TAR. And if he's only having to work on a thesis on his PhD, then he wouldn't be missing class time, either.

What concerns me about Rachel is the stress factor. I don't think people would say she handled stress well on either of her seasons of Big Brother, especially when she was in the house without Brendon. On the other hand, Brendon appears to be much better able to handle stress, so I think he'll handle killer fatigue quite well.

How well they can navigate and communicate with locals will be interesting to watch. That's not a required skill set they need for Big Brother.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: alittlebird on November 28, 2011, 02:41:06 PM
A million dollars would pay off school loans, med school, and a lot of research.  I guess taking 4 weeks out of your schedule to try for it couldn't hurt.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 28, 2011, 02:59:00 PM
A million dollars would pay off school loans, med school, and a lot of research.  I guess taking 4 weeks out of your schedule to try for it couldn't hurt.

So would the $500,000 she already won in September!  :lol:

I am so lost on where they are headed. Lima? Buenos Aires? Paraguay?   :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 28, 2011, 03:00:40 PM
So am I, does anyone know ANYTHING about where they are/have been/ are going?...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 28, 2011, 03:00:49 PM
My assumption was that they performed a leg in Buenos Aires which had to have been completed before Phil did his live chat on Twitter during TAR last night.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: maxen on November 28, 2011, 03:01:38 PM
From our experience in TARLA i can tell a leg in Argentina is possible, we had 3 legs there, two of those legs were in Buenos Aires and not a single tweet.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Lucybell on November 28, 2011, 04:01:41 PM
So am I, does anyone know ANYTHING about where they are/have been/ are going?...

I am sure someone knows...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on November 28, 2011, 05:20:23 PM
it makes me sad that it's day 3 and we don't have any sights besides the ones from LAX...  :'( :'(
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on November 28, 2011, 05:22:42 PM
My assumption was that they performed a leg in Buenos Aires which had to have been completed before Phil did his live chat on Twitter during TAR last night.

As what we think we may have figured out, the flights to Buenos Aires arrived yesterday, so we could think there was an overnight point, so the leg could have been done today (about 10 hours ago?). Could Leg 2 be beginning in a few hours?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: maxen on November 28, 2011, 05:46:32 PM
Remember ... near Buenos Aires (and in all Argentina), is full of Estancias, maybe there is one called Estancia Asuncion  :lol:. What i want to say is that they probably went to the country side so the first leg ended out of the city.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on November 28, 2011, 05:53:01 PM
Remember ... near Buenos Aires (and in all Argentina), is full of Estancias, maybe there is one called Estancia Asuncion  :lol:. What i want to say is that they probably went to the country side so the first leg ended out of the city.

What about a leg in Montevideo? No sightings at all, we know, but it's only aboout 100 miles apart from Buenos Aires. Argentina countryside or minor cities could be another possibility, though.

Has TAR ever made 2 consecutive legs in the same CITY (not only same country but same city)? I don't think so...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: maxen on November 28, 2011, 05:59:34 PM
Remember ... near Buenos Aires (and in all Argentina), is full of Estancias, maybe there is one called Estancia Asuncion  :lol:. What i want to say is that they probably went to the country side so the first leg ended out of the city.

What about a leg in Montevideo? No sightings at all, we know, but it's only aboout 100 miles apart from Buenos Aires. Argentina countryside or minor cities could be another possibility, though.

Has TAR ever made 2 consecutive legs in the same CITY (not only same country but same city)? I don't think so...

Yeah Montevideo is another strong possibility for a city with no sightings, Colonia del Sacramento in Uruguay too. The first leg of TAR 5 was all about Punta del Este, so another visit to Uruguay could be really cool.

Two legs in the same city???

I think Shanghai in TAR 16??... St. Petersburg in TAR 17??... Prague in TAR 15??.. Zermatt in TAR 18??   :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: topaz on November 28, 2011, 11:02:23 PM
for now, this could be the current legs for TAR 20:

starting leg: Los Angeles (again)
Leg 1: Belize
Leg 2: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Leg 3-4: Brazil

...and probably on leg 5-8 they're going to Europe and/or Africa before heading towards to Asia for the last 3 legs and heading back to US.  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on November 28, 2011, 11:20:18 PM
for now, this could be the current legs for TAR 20:

starting leg: Los Angeles (again)
Leg 1: Belize
Leg 2: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Leg 3-4: Brazil

...and probably on leg 5-8 they're going to Europe and/or Africa before heading towards to Asia for the last 3 legs and heading back to US.  :duno:
I think no Belize,1st leg should be Buenos Aires, Argentina...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2011, 04:51:12 AM
for now, this could be the current legs for TAR 20:

starting leg: Los Angeles (again)
Leg 1: Belize
Leg 2: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Leg 3-4: Brazil

...and probably on leg 5-8 they're going to Europe and/or Africa before heading towards to Asia for the last 3 legs and heading back to US.  :duno:

NO. When you are SPEC'ing please say so, or your info may confuse someone.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Harry4 on November 29, 2011, 05:58:26 AM
 :duno:

This is just a spec, maybe they are in Australia somewhere.

They will show up eventually, they are really well hidden this time around.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 29, 2011, 06:06:51 AM
If you guys are believing in south Brazil i can go to the Salgado Filho Airport,in Porto Alegre see if i can see anything...it's just about 3 hours away from here!  :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 29, 2011, 07:09:03 AM
If you guys are believing in south Brazil i can go to the Salgado Filho Airport,in Porto Alegre see if i can see anything...it's just about 3 hours away from here!  :yess:

sweet dont it three hours
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 29, 2011, 07:11:51 AM
Give it a look on the live sighting's,i think that they could come!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 29, 2011, 07:13:28 AM
Give it a look on the live sighting's,i think that they could come!!

you should start drive now hurry could be second leg
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on November 29, 2011, 07:21:46 AM
If this sighting turns out to be genuine, it is likely to be Leg Two. If you search for flights between LAX and Fortaleza on American Airlines, it returns routes that fly through Miami and then either Sao Paulo or Brasilia. One of those two cities could be our missing link, as I doubt teams would take three flights on the first leg. Really clutching at straws here..
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 29, 2011, 07:25:12 AM
so brazil again it became next china
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 29, 2011, 09:00:34 AM
I already now vitoroseriestv,but he must know me as Pilha.  :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on November 29, 2011, 11:46:34 AM
Welcome, vitoroseriestv! I have no trouble understanding your English.

I'm glad to see that we have people that are native speakers of Spanish and Portuguese and that have knowledge of the area looking at these tweets and giving their opinions. I was concerned that one of them might be true and I was too quick to dismiss them. I'm glad to hear that you mostly agree with my thoughts.

I have no doubt that the guy that accused me of stalking is fake since I've only sent one tweet since the race started (and another responding to the stalking accusation). The only way he could know I was following tweets about The Amazing Race was if he was lurking here. I've only heard the stalking accusation against this board in a couple of places. I have my suspicions about where the person making the accusations came from but I have no proof, so I'll just keep my ideas about this to myself.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 29, 2011, 11:51:36 AM
Welcome, vitoroseriestv! I have no trouble understanding your English.

I'm glad to see that we have people that are native speakers of Spanish and Portuguese and that have knowledge of the area looking at these tweets and giving their opinions. I was concerned that one of them might be true and I was too quick to dismiss them. I'm glad to hear that you mostly agree with my thoughts.

I have no doubt that the guy that accused me of stalking is fake since I've only sent one tweet since the race started (and another responding to the stalking accusation). The only way he could know I was following tweets about The Amazing Race was if he was lurking here. I've only heard the stalking accusation against this board in a couple of places. I have my suspicions about where the person making the accusations came from but I have no proof, so I'll just keep my ideas about this to myself.

First, sorry about my english, this is one of the motives that I'm not participative here  :'(

but I've been reading this forum has some years and never was able to help with nothing, but this time I think I am

I'm from brazil and can say that all these portuguese tweets (except the space one, that is the channel wich broadcasts the latin version here) are not written correctly! Looks like someone wrote the phrases on an automatic translate software and tried put it in portuguese

like I'm trying to do to write this message (I can easily understand, but hardly can speak or write in english)

About the spanish tweet saying about Fox do Iguaçu, it's possible because that is a city close about the border (Argentina and Paraguay), but I personally don't believe in it

Hoping this can help you guys

Now that i start thinking,makes sense...the guy only have 6 tweets,and tweet in very BAD portuguese really.But why this guy would do that?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 29, 2011, 11:59:54 AM
Welcome, vitoroseriestv! I have no trouble understanding your English.

I'm glad to see that we have people that are native speakers of Spanish and Portuguese and that have knowledge of the area looking at these tweets and giving their opinions. I was concerned that one of them might be true and I was too quick to dismiss them. I'm glad to hear that you mostly agree with my thoughts.

I have no doubt that the guy that accused me of stalking is fake since I've only sent one tweet since the race started (and another responding to the stalking accusation). The only way he could know I was following tweets about The Amazing Race was if he was lurking here. I've only heard the stalking accusation against this board in a couple of places. I have my suspicions about where the person making the accusations came from but I have no proof, so I'll just keep my ideas about this to myself.

First, sorry about my english, this is one of the motives that I'm not participative here  :'(

but I've been reading this forum has some years and never was able to help with nothing, but this time I think I am

I'm from brazil and can say that all these portuguese tweets (except the space one, that is the channel wich broadcasts the latin version here) are not written correctly! Looks like someone wrote the phrases on an automatic translate software and tried put it in portuguese

like I'm trying to do to write this message (I can easily understand, but hardly can speak or write in english)

About the spanish tweet saying about Fox do Iguaçu, it's possible because that is a city close about the border (Argentina and Paraguay), but I personally don't believe in it

Hoping this can help you guys

Now that i start thinking,makes sense...the guy only have 6 tweets,and tweet in very BAD portuguese really.But why this guy would do that?

Because, it has happened before. London in TAR17 comes to mind immediately.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 29, 2011, 12:01:50 PM
There are plenty of people on the web that don't like RFF and/or TAR spoiling. Then there is the whole theory about CBS plants...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 29, 2011, 12:09:12 PM
Hm,now i understend
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on November 29, 2011, 12:15:58 PM
Welcome, vitoroseriestv! I have no trouble understanding your English.

I'm glad to see that we have people that are native speakers of Spanish and Portuguese and that have knowledge of the area looking at these tweets and giving their opinions. I was concerned that one of them might be true and I was too quick to dismiss them. I'm glad to hear that you mostly agree with my thoughts.

I have no doubt that the guy that accused me of stalking is fake since I've only sent one tweet since the race started (and another responding to the stalking accusation). The only way he could know I was following tweets about The Amazing Race was if he was lurking here. I've only heard the stalking accusation against this board in a couple of places. I have my suspicions about where the person making the accusations came from but I have no proof, so I'll just keep my ideas about this to myself.

First, sorry about my english, this is one of the motives that I'm not participative here  :'(

but I've been reading this forum has some years and never was able to help with nothing, but this time I think I am

I'm from brazil and can say that all these portuguese tweets (except the space one, that is the channel wich broadcasts the latin version here) are not written correctly! Looks like someone wrote the phrases on an automatic translate software and tried put it in portuguese

like I'm trying to do to write this message (I can easily understand, but hardly can speak or write in english)

About the spanish tweet saying about Fox do Iguaçu, it's possible because that is a city close about the border (Argentina and Paraguay), but I personally don't believe in it

Hoping this can help you guys

Now that i start thinking,makes sense...the guy only have 6 tweets,and tweet in very BAD portuguese really.But why this guy would do that?

That's what gets my suspicions going. Why would someone who has never used Twitter before see the Amazing Race in his city and think that he has to get a Twitter account to tell the world about it? It's possible, but it seems unlikely.

As for why they do it, it's been happening for a few seasons now. There are a few people out there that would like to see us get fooled and be wrong about where the race is going. I don't understand the satisfaction they get out of doing that, but it has been happening, so they must have their reasons. I suppose it's possible that the TAR producers would like to throw us off track, but I think they would do a better job than what we've been seeing the last day or two. I'm fairly certain they would use proper Spanish or Portuguese rather than depending on bad computer language translations.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 29, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
Yeah,he just created a account to do it...it's actually very impossible that the race goes through a small city like itapipoca too
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: chill_sd on November 29, 2011, 01:57:32 PM
Total SPECULATION, but I would love to see a TAR/TARLA crossover.  (Or really TAR with any of the international versions.)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Lucybell on November 29, 2011, 02:29:18 PM
There are plenty of people on the web that don't like RFF and/or TAR spoiling. Then there is the whole theory about CBS plants...

It's not so much RFF in general or the fact that RFF spoils... Lots of people come here to get spoiled, me included.  But some people had been spoiled to being spoiler stealers, LOL, meaning, they would come here to get super spoilers and then take the spoilers back to their own forums and post them as their own.  Lately, the super spoilers are not being posted here like they use to be and it has some people in an uproar.  Personally, it makes me mad that those people spoiled it for the rest of us who come here to be spoiled.  I am not super internet savvy or I would try to help find this information too!  B:)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 29, 2011, 02:34:22 PM
I personally think that is OK for them to post this things on their foruns,but is NOT ok to do not gave the credits to the people from RFF.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 29, 2011, 03:48:12 PM
Yet another first time twitterer checks in:

RobertoManarez RobertoManarez
The Amazing Race 20 en Punta Del Este. Tengo fotos..Pasaron por mi casa Se trata de dos cuadras de mi casa
7 minutes ago

Google translates this as:

The Amazing Race 20 in Punta Del Este. I have pictures .. passed by my house is two blocks from my house

Punta Del Este is in Southeastern Uruguay on the Atlantic coast.

Another clown trying to throw the team here at RFF off!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 29, 2011, 04:06:56 PM
Yeah,i speak spanish and that is very google tradutor
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Lucybell on November 29, 2011, 05:00:17 PM
I personally think that is OK for them to post this things on their foruns,but is NOT ok to do not gave the credits to the people from RFF.

Some do and some don't...   (:;)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 29, 2011, 05:04:44 PM
I personally think that is OK for them to post this things on their foruns,but is NOT ok to do not gave the credits to the people from RFF.

Some do and some don't...   (:;)

That people who dont are ridiculous...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on November 29, 2011, 05:44:02 PM
I don't know if the information on Foz do Iguacu is really true, but if it is that is spectacular. This was visited in AR2 but I would love to see it again. It beats Victoria Falls as the most exciting waterfalls in the world.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on November 29, 2011, 05:48:17 PM
I don't know if the information on Foz do Iguacu is really true, but if it is that is spectacular. This was visited in AR2 but I would love to see it again. It beats Victoria Falls as the most exciting waterfalls in the world.

I've already been there,it's so nice!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: crazetar on November 29, 2011, 07:44:43 PM
I personally think that is OK for them to post this things on their foruns,but is NOT ok to do not gave the credits to the people from RFF.

Some do and some don't...   (:;)

That people who dont are ridiculous...

It's possible the ones that don't have gotten the site from elsewhere ... Meaning it was "taken" from here, posted somewhere else than a forum takes it from that other place and has no idea it came from RFF.

But yes, it is annoying when people don't receive the credit they're due!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on November 30, 2011, 09:06:12 AM
Yet another first time twitterer checks in:

RobertoManarez RobertoManarez
The Amazing Race 20 en Punta Del Este. Tengo fotos..Pasaron por mi casa Se trata de dos cuadras de mi casa
7 minutes ago

Google translates this as:

The Amazing Race 20 in Punta Del Este. I have pictures .. passed by my house is two blocks from my house

Punta Del Este is in Southeastern Uruguay on the Atlantic coast.

I know that several following this consider the above to be a hoax. There are Buguebus ferries from Buenos Aire (all but one of which stops in Colonia on the way to Montevideo) on this schedule:

BUENOS AIRES
12:30 / 30 NOV 11
Pto de Dna NORTE    COLONIA
13:30 / 30 NOV 11    MONTEVIDEO
16:45 / 30 NOV 11
      
BUENOS AIRES
15:30 / 30 NOV 11
Pto de Dna NORTE         MONTEVIDEO
19:45 / 30 NOV 11

BUENOS AIRES
18:30 / 30 NOV 11
Pto de Dna NORTE    COLONIA
19:30 / 30 NOV 11    MONTEVIDEO
22:45 / 30 NOV 11

BUENOS AIRES
23:59 / 30 NOV 11
Pto de Dna NORTE    COLONIA
03:59 / 01 DIC 11    MONTEVIDEO
07:14 / 01 DIC 11

From Montevideo it is a 75 mile bus ride to Punta del Este and there are nonstop flights from Buenos Aires to Punta del Este as follows:

7:35 am   →   9:25 am   AEP-PDP   -   -   -   -   T   F   -   pluna 204
8:30 am   →   10:20 am   AEP-PDP   -   M   -   -   -   -   -   pluna 202
10:20 am   →   12:10 pm   AEP-PDP   S   M   -   -   T   F   S   pluna 208
10:30 am   →   12:20 pm   AEP-PDP   -   -   -   -   T   F   -   pluna 206
12:30 pm   →   2:20 pm   AEP-PDP   S   M   -   -   -   F   S   pluna 108
2:05 pm   →   3:55 pm   AEP-PDP   S   M   T   W   T   F   S   pluna 118
7:15 pm   →   9:05 pm   AEP-PDP   S   M   -   -   T   F   -   pluna 262
7:45 pm   →   9:35 pm   AEP-PDP   S   M   -   W   T   F   S   pluna 130
10:20 pm   →   12:10 am   AEP-PDP   S   -   -   -   T   -   -   pluna 276
10:40 pm   →   12:30 am   AEP-PDP   -   -   -   -   T   -   -   pluna 272

I don't know about you, but I would love to see "The Hand" again (reference AR5, episode 1) and I think a revisit to that meat shop from which Charla ended up carrying a 55 pound hunk would make a fabulous throwback.

This does not minimize the value of AR20 going to revisit Iguacu Falls, which is another alternative reachable from Buenos Aires.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on November 30, 2011, 09:12:32 AM
I want to have my cake and eat it too. I was surprised to find that there is a daily bus from Iguacu Falls to Montevideo.

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazing race fan on November 30, 2011, 10:51:10 AM
Not many spoilers so far this season. Does anyone think they could already be on their second continent? That is what I think.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on November 30, 2011, 12:25:28 PM
Too bad I was in Panama when it started.   :groan:

The Saturday, 7:30 pm indicators would have given sufficient time to run down to LAX and get shots before they took off from Gate 42B.

Oh well, I hope what I found in Panama about TAR19 helps to counter the lost opportunity.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Parisinspring/Panama/9a4c3b4f.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 30, 2011, 12:36:16 PM

what in world
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on November 30, 2011, 06:15:45 PM
This person has a longer history on twitter, so it passes the initial test.

KristenRoaming Kristen
Amazing Race is in Salta!! So cool!
7 minutes ago

Salta is in Northern Argentina in the foothills of the Andes and is Argentina's 8th largest city with about 475,000 people. This one intrigues me. According to her blog, Kristen is on a two month trip (so far) across South America.

Looks solid to me  :tup:

Cool town too!  This speaks well for EVE as the first destination airport.
Almost one week after the race started? I kind of find it hard to believe.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Flamant on November 30, 2011, 06:21:33 PM
Almost one week after the race started? I kind of find it hard to believe.

It started 4 days ago... And normally they're doing three or four legs in that continent.
But it may be their last leg tho in South America  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on November 30, 2011, 06:43:01 PM
The last time they went to South America, information was hard to come by. I'm not too surprised. We did find a local newspaper article with a picture and perhaps that will happen again.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 30, 2011, 08:54:58 PM
france might tara2
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Cocoa on November 30, 2011, 10:51:25 PM
http://instagr.am/p/Wr5eO/

Is it just me, or Phil likes to wear the same top clothing? The pic below is from S16 at El Boliche Viejo :lol3:

Show content
(http://i44.[banned image hosting site].com/2cr82gh.png)

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 01, 2011, 06:38:37 AM
I know we've got a sighting of teams on a plane to Buenos Aires, but I'm struggling to see the logic in it. If teams landed at Miami at half 6 in the morning, they'd likely be on a morning flight, which would get them in late in the evening. I'm sure teams aren't racing in the dark, so there's bound to be an HOO at that time of night. But surely they wouldn't do that on the first leg? It would render having separate flights meaningless.

Unless we really do have a THIRD flight somewhere.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on December 01, 2011, 06:41:21 AM
I know we've got a sighting of teams on a plane to Buenos Aires, but I'm struggling to see the logic in it. If teams landed at Miami at half 6 in the morning, they'd likely be on a morning flight, which would get them in late in the evening. I'm sure teams aren't racing in the dark, so there's bound to be an HOO at that time of night. But surely they wouldn't do that on the first leg? It would render having separate flights meaningless.

Unless we really do have a THIRD flight somewhere.
Maybe they bring back...they always did HOO in 1st leg until S15.
And I think  this can explain timeline:
1st leg:NOV28
2nd leg:NOV30
Now in 3rd leg...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: NumfarPTB on December 01, 2011, 08:40:16 AM
I know we've got a sighting of teams on a plane to Buenos Aires, but I'm struggling to see the logic in it. If teams landed at Miami at half 6 in the morning, they'd likely be on a morning flight, which would get them in late in the evening. I'm sure teams aren't racing in the dark, so there's bound to be an HOO at that time of night. But surely they wouldn't do that on the first leg? It would render having separate flights meaningless.

Unless we really do have a THIRD flight somewhere.

It could work, if upon arrival in Buenos Aires, they'd needed to get sign-up times for the 1st task in the morning.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2011, 09:04:42 AM
I know we've got a sighting of teams on a plane to Buenos Aires, but I'm struggling to see the logic in it. If teams landed at Miami at half 6 in the morning, they'd likely be on a morning flight, which would get them in late in the evening. I'm sure teams aren't racing in the dark, so there's bound to be an HOO at that time of night. But surely they wouldn't do that on the first leg? It would render having separate flights meaningless.

Unless we really do have a THIRD flight somewhere.

It could work, if upon arrival in Buenos Aires, they'd needed to get sign-up times for the 1st task in the morning.

HOO's, sleep outsides. all very common first leg tactics.

Since we are getting some evidence of a second leg in BA, I am now wondering about an outside BA leg as the first one...this would be a good time for a bus ride somewhere...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 01, 2011, 09:42:18 AM
omg god combluia would that we going back that mean eroupe will vist next or africa
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: vitoroseriestv on December 01, 2011, 09:54:49 AM

Recoleta is one of the most famous neighborhoods in Buenos Aires! a lot of backpackers visit there daily and there are many hostels in the region, then is not so unlikely to appear more photos soon

between the places for tasks or even for the pit stop, I can see the Recoleta Cemetery which is where is the tomb of Eva Perón

but in fact, all the neighborhood is a very known for the great culture

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2011, 10:03:16 AM

I can see the Recoleta Cemetery which is where is the tomb of Eva Perón




TAR 5, leg 2...remember Charla?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: vitoroseriestv on December 01, 2011, 10:08:09 AM

TAR 5, leg 2...remember Charla?

oh! true...

my memory is my biggest fault
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: maxen on December 01, 2011, 11:52:09 AM
I know we've got a sighting of teams on a plane to Buenos Aires, but I'm struggling to see the logic in it. If teams landed at Miami at half 6 in the morning, they'd likely be on a morning flight, which would get them in late in the evening. I'm sure teams aren't racing in the dark, so there's bound to be an HOO at that time of night. But surely they wouldn't do that on the first leg? It would render having separate flights meaningless.

Unless we really do have a THIRD flight somewhere.

It could work, if upon arrival in Buenos Aires, they'd needed to get sign-up times for the 1st task in the morning.

HOO's, sleep outsides. all very common first leg tactics.

Since we are getting some evidence of a second leg in BA, I am now wondering about an outside BA leg as the first one...this would be a good time for a bus ride somewhere...

And the Salta information???... can we trust that or you think we can't confirm it?

After Argentina i think the possible destinations could be Brazil, maybe Peru, ... mmm Africa?, or maybe New Zeland if they are going to the west direction.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 01, 2011, 12:09:04 PM
I know we've got a sighting of teams on a plane to Buenos Aires, but I'm struggling to see the logic in it. If teams landed at Miami at half 6 in the morning, they'd likely be on a morning flight, which would get them in late in the evening. I'm sure teams aren't racing in the dark, so there's bound to be an HOO at that time of night. But surely they wouldn't do that on the first leg? It would render having separate flights meaningless.

Unless we really do have a THIRD flight somewhere.

It could work, if upon arrival in Buenos Aires, they'd needed to get sign-up times for the 1st task in the morning.

HOO's, sleep outsides. all very common first leg tactics.

Since we are getting some evidence of a second leg in BA, I am now wondering about an outside BA leg as the first one...this would be a good time for a bus ride somewhere...

And the Salta information???... can we trust that or you think we can't confirm it?

After Argentina i think the possible destinations could be Brazil, maybe Peru, ... mmm Africa?, or maybe New Zeland if they are going to the west direction.

I like the idea of a visit to Salta. It looks like a place TAR would go to. Confirming Salta will be difficult, but I'll keep checking into it. The woman (who seems to be genuine) that tweeted about the Amazing Race being in Salta made a later tweet saying

Make one little tweet about Amazing Race and get all kinds of spam.

So, I expect she won't be willing to elaborate further.  :(
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2011, 12:13:52 PM
I like Salta as well....but we could use more.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 01, 2011, 06:52:32 PM
The one guy's picture from Paraguay was in the daylight and marked as seven hours ago. Brenchel checked in in the dark. Hard to tell their placement.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: maxen on December 01, 2011, 06:55:43 PM
The one guy's picture from Paraguay was in the daylight and marked as seven hours ago. Brenchel checked in in the dark. Hard to tell their placement.

I was thinking about that and maybe they were filming some shots or images to show the city or maybe a task, or the place of the pit stop, not the race itself  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 01, 2011, 07:00:18 PM
With the sighting in Salta last night and in the Buenos Aires airport this morning I think they could have made it to Paraguay by seven hours ago. But I think you are right about that picture.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 01, 2011, 07:02:55 PM
So Race is looking something like this:

Leg 1: Los Angeles USA - Miami USA - Somewhere outside Buenos Aires, Argentina
Leg 2: ?? Argentina
Leg 3: Paraguay
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Lucybell on December 01, 2011, 07:05:40 PM
The one guy's picture from Paraguay was in the daylight and marked as seven hours ago. Brenchel checked in in the dark. Hard to tell their placement.

How do we know they checked in in the dark?  In the pitstop photo we have, it looks like Brenchel in the bottom left hand side?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 01, 2011, 07:06:41 PM
The picture from Foursquare mentions Danza Paraguay. I thought it might be a dance troupe, but it's a style of Paraguayan music also called Paraguayan Polka. I'm sure our Paraguayan members know more than I do, but here's a wikipedia link describing it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_polka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_polka)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 01, 2011, 07:13:12 PM
They could have made this flight based on the time that guy saw them in the airport (https://twitter.com/#!/DanielGDelgado/status/142164016658259968) (he said his flight departed at 7.45)

(PZ) TAM 704
(EZE) Buenos Aires, BA, AR to (ASU) Asuncion, PY

DEPARTURE                               ARRIVAL

8:45 AM - Thu 01-Dec-2011    10:35 AM - Thu 01-Dec-2011

If it wasn't that, they waited a long while and got on this:

(G3) Gol Air Transport 7471
(EZE) Buenos Aires, BA, AR to (ASU) Asuncion, PY

DEPARTURE                                       ARRIVAL

2:35 PM - Thu 01-Dec-2011    4:25 PM - Thu 01-Dec-2011
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: smiley on December 01, 2011, 08:18:59 PM
So are they on the 3rd or 4th leg??
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on December 01, 2011, 08:20:24 PM
Ok....in this shot it show the dancers getting ready for the racers. Their costumes correspond to the local dance called "Polca" but the dancing that they have to perform it's called "Bottle Dancing"

You can see the dancers all dressed up here:

https://es.foursquare.com/macolon2/checkin/4ed7b3e76da14054c3064062?s=Fh8fGdX1_gVEKyYpRllxOl4T58g&ref=tw (https://es.foursquare.com/macolon2/checkin/4ed7b3e76da14054c3064062?s=Fh8fGdX1_gVEKyYpRllxOl4T58g&ref=tw)

and here's a example of the "Bottle Dancing" (Youtube)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX7Nd_fvps8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX7Nd_fvps8)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 01, 2011, 08:33:05 PM
Ok....in this shot it show the dancers getting ready for the racers. Their costumes correspond to the local dance called "Polca" but the dancing that they have to perform it's called "Bottle Dancing"

You can see the dancers all dressed up here:

https://es.foursquare.com/macolon2/checkin/4ed7b3e76da14054c3064062?s=Fh8fGdX1_gVEKyYpRllxOl4T58g&ref=tw (https://es.foursquare.com/macolon2/checkin/4ed7b3e76da14054c3064062?s=Fh8fGdX1_gVEKyYpRllxOl4T58g&ref=tw)

and here's a example of the "Bottle Dancing" (Youtube)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX7Nd_fvps8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX7Nd_fvps8)

I'm very impressed with the dance. I can't figure out how the bottles stay balanced on her head when she leans at times. That's not going to be easy for a beginner to do, so I foresee some trouble at this roadblock.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on December 01, 2011, 08:35:34 PM
Ok....in this shot it show the dancers getting ready for the racers. Their costumes correspond to the local dance called "Polca" but the dancing that they have to perform it's called "Bottle Dancing"

You can see the dancers all dressed up here:

https://es.foursquare.com/macolon2/checkin/4ed7b3e76da14054c3064062?s=Fh8fGdX1_gVEKyYpRllxOl4T58g&ref=tw (https://es.foursquare.com/macolon2/checkin/4ed7b3e76da14054c3064062?s=Fh8fGdX1_gVEKyYpRllxOl4T58g&ref=tw)

and here's a example of the "Bottle Dancing" (Youtube)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX7Nd_fvps8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX7Nd_fvps8)

I'm very impressed with the dance. I can't figure out how the bottles stay balanced on her head when she leans at times. That's not going to be easy for a beginner to do, so I foresee some trouble at this roadblock.

Here in South America,the i can say that the rhythm is not a problem!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 01, 2011, 09:18:31 PM
Since the flights out of Paraguay are limited a 4th leg in South America?

Santiago and Lima look like favourites right now. (I ruled out Uruguay (close to Buenos Aires why would they go to Paraguay and back) and Panama (used in Season 18).

Lima/Santiago is on the Western part of the continent making me speculate the teams will head to Asia/Oceania next.

The panoramic image of the plaza that someone linked to from paraguay3d.com shows a roughly 10 story building across the street from the plaza and it lines up well with the stairwells in the picture docol posted. Really good work going on right now! I'm impressed.

Me! :lol:

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 01, 2011, 09:30:04 PM
FWIW, I doubt the Race has progressed beyond the third leg, or perhaps a very short fourth leg (as its already five days since the start). I have a suspicion the flight from LA via Miami was a very long flight in elapsed time from the start line. But I agree the itinerary is probably Argentina for the first two legs and now Paraguay. The next destination probably depends on whether the Race will head next to across the Pacific or the Atlantic; and at this point its a coin toss as to which way that might be; although another visit to South Africa or New Zealand are both probably overdue.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: BlueRabbit on December 01, 2011, 10:12:28 PM
First post here. I've been following the race here and as I've told docol a few minutes ago on Twitter, the pit stop looks an awful lot like Escalinata Antequera, which is not that far from Plaza de la Democracia and Hotel Guarani.

The floor, the wall, the crammed space and the stairs shown in the Twitpic make me think this could be the leg's pitstop. Also, it's a public place so they couldn't just throw people out of there.

Here's a video of the place: http://www.abctv.com.py/monumentos-de-asuncion-escalinata-antequera-9682
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on December 01, 2011, 10:15:28 PM
Sounds good, BlueRabbit! And welcome! Tiles match...

(http://elyacare.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/e-antequera-19-36.jpg?w=428&h=590)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: BlueRabbit on December 01, 2011, 10:18:00 PM
Also, the metallic bars in the background of the Twitpic? http://www.panoramio.com/photo/3689612
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: graytex on December 01, 2011, 10:24:49 PM
Here is another picture of Plaza de la Independencia with the pink Cabildo building - the former home of the Paraguayan government.

Looks like a pretty definite tile match to me.

(http://i44.[banned image hosting site].com/28w1m2q.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2011, 10:26:41 PM
:bigwelcome to RFF BlueRabbit! Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on December 01, 2011, 10:27:52 PM
I think those are two different places. The Casa de la Independencia has diagonal tiles. The Escalinata Antequera has straight ones like in the Pit Stop photo.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: BlueRabbit on December 01, 2011, 10:55:50 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome everyone! I'm very happy that my country finally got to host a leg of the Race.

That tile was very popular for a while here.  :)

Besides the diagonal tiles, the Twitpic also shows a very small space, with a wall on at least one side of it and Plaza de la Independencia is a very open space. The wall shown in the pic has a fence above it.

Since there seems to be some people not related to the show, including the person who took the photo, I imagine it's a public square and Escalinata Antequera is the only walled square I know of in the area that was actually built in a small hill. And, as shown in the picture I linked to (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/3689612) in my 2nd post (sorry I don't know how to show you the Panoramio photo directly), the walls surrounding the Escalinata have fences above them.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2011, 11:08:52 PM
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Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kristin626 on December 01, 2011, 11:09:35 PM
So that picture looks like it could be Rachel/Brendan standing next to the pit stop...waiting out a penalty perhaps?  If that has already been speculated, I apologize.  I know several people have mentioned that it looks like them but it looked like most people were assuming they had already checked in.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 01, 2011, 11:15:21 PM
So that picture looks like it could be Rachel/Brendan standing next to the pit stop...waiting out a penalty perhaps?  If that has already been speculated, I apologize.  I know several people have mentioned that it looks like them but it looked like most people were assuming they had already checked in.

I think the discussion was more of whether that couple was in fact, Brendon and Rachel. We don't really have full descriptions or LAX photos of all of the teams this time, so it is quite conceivable it might be another team. But the fact that BVM is in that twitpic is a coup of sorts, he's rarely seen in the background.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on December 01, 2011, 11:18:55 PM
Delgado saw teams behind him while he was boarding his flight to Bogota leaving 7.45am, so some teams must have made it to Asuncion on the morning flight, arriving 10.35am. Sunset today at Asuncion was at 7.23pm. This team is in trouble, I'd think!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DavidJunior on December 02, 2011, 01:05:46 AM
I'm more inclined to think they'll head east from here, instead of west (mainly since the last three seasons were west-bound)

Here are my best GUESSES on where they may head to next:
(in order of what I think is most likely)
1. Italy- Rome/Milan aren't too difficult to get to from S.A., both of which open up more possible locations within Italy, and can connect to anywhere in Europe, Northern Africa, or the Middle East
2. South Africa- accessible from S.A., has not been visited in a while, and you can transfer to Europe/Middle East without too many problems
3. Netherlands- Schiphol is a major transit point, with many connections around the world, and Amsterdam is a big city that could easily host another leg, also serves as a good transition from one continent to another
4. New Zealand- If they DO go west, I would think that they would head here, great scenery, great locations, is a good jumping point for Asia, and opens up the possibility of smaller islands *cough* Fiji *cough*
5. Gambia/Senegal- Dakar is possibly the biggest transit point on the African continent, so it wouldn't be too difficult to connect to it, and the Gambia is literally right next to it, new country, new location, and the culture shock of West Africa

(I doubt they'll stay in S.A., doubt they'll go to Spain (too much of the same language), they prob. wouldn't go to Portugal if they aren't going to visit Spain, Germany, France, England, Belgium, and Scandinavia have all been used recently, Central/Eastern Europe will prob come later, and most African countries, if they were to be visited, would prob. be visited after a leg or two in Europe)

That's just my two cents
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on December 02, 2011, 01:54:09 AM
Here are all flights that depart from Asuncion tomorrow(or today, same thing)

(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/KandaceKML/Asuncionflightsdec22011.png)

I dunno when teams depart, but if they depart early enough to make the Sao Paolo flight, they could go anywhere, same with Buenos Aires, as it has a direct to Cape Town, and ZA hasn't been visited in a while. So Africa Europe high chances IMO. They've also gone west 2 seasons in a row, which is highly uncommon too, so I think its Africa/Europe
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 02, 2011, 07:34:53 AM
Kandace,

I don't think it will be Johannesburg but do think it will be one of the European cities. Look for Madrid as the most likely.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on December 02, 2011, 08:06:31 AM
I doubt they will go back to EZE...
maybe London,TAR like to go to Olympic place.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 02, 2011, 08:38:17 AM
Has any previous version of TAR (other than The Family Edition) ever used an airport in the USA as a transit point mid race?
So could we have teams fly back from South America to some airport in the USA and then continue on to Europe? Asia? Canada?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kiki on December 02, 2011, 08:42:26 AM
Has any previous version of TAR (other than The Family Edition) ever used an airport in the USA as a transit point mid race?
So could we have teams fly back from South America to some airport in the USA and then continue on to Europe? Asia? Canada?

In TAR 2 the gutsy grannies connected from Rio to new York to London to Cape Town.
In TAR 3 some teams connected from Mexico City to Miami to London.
I can't remember any other time but there might be.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on December 02, 2011, 08:53:30 AM

Madrid - many flights
Barcelona

I don't think it will be Johannesburg but do think it will be one of the European cities. Look for Madrid as the most likely.


I'm ready! :D :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 02, 2011, 08:54:56 AM
GO Dave! :hoot:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 02, 2011, 09:45:16 AM
i dont think we have spain for this race i now last time is season 10 but spain umm i dont think so
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on December 02, 2011, 09:45:47 AM
Peach will post the photos that i took today...i took one which matchs exactly the one of the pit stop.!! Also, i've got a video that shows the producers chaecking in...but it's way too heavy and my phone won't allow me to upload it...once i get home i'll send it to peach so she can upload it here..!

I went to the ticket counter and the asked the lady where they were going..she said "Sao Paulo" departing at 12:05 pm...and i asked her back: where are they going after sao paulo? And she said: "GERMANY"

I walked off and tried to follow the producers towards the boarding room, and the stopped to have a little chat. I was lucky enough to overheard an airline assistant coming to them and handing one of them boarding passes explaining to him the route. I got closer and heard: "...and then the lufthansa flight departing at 05:00 pm (more or less)"

So, this is what we've got guys....germany is the next destination!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 02, 2011, 09:48:36 AM
Can we check what city flight is going germany i real think Frankfurt pretty much
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on December 02, 2011, 09:52:18 AM
Frankfurt is one of the main connecting points all over Europe. It's got almost every European and Intl airlines and it's the biggest airport in Europe in connections and so on. 99% sure it should be Frankfurt.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on December 02, 2011, 09:57:38 AM
It's Frankfurt....

One of these two flights i think:

5:40 pm Depart Sao Paulo (GRU)
Arrive Frankfurt (FRA) 4:20 pm 

TAP Portugal 82  / 6701
   Connect in Lisbon (LIS)

Flight 6701 operated by Lufthansa

OR

5:40 pm Depart Sao Paulo (GRU)
Arrive Frankfurt (FRA) 11:05 am

TAP Portugal 82  / 6707
   Connect in Lisbon (LIS)

Flight 6707 operated by Lufthansa

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 02, 2011, 10:01:31 AM
germany cant be next leg season 16 was last time where do think they going after it this remind of season9 race routo again
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Polarbear on December 02, 2011, 10:04:16 AM
What about LH 505 to Munich 17:15?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 02, 2011, 10:17:34 AM
Peach will post the photos that i took today...i took one which matchs exactly the one of the pit stop.!! Also, i've got a video that shows the producers chaecking in...but it's way too heavy and my phone won't allow me to upload it...once i get home i'll send it to peach so she can upload it here..!

I went to the ticket counter and the asked the lady where they were going..she said "Sao Paulo" departing at 12:05 pm...and i asked her back: where are they going after sao paulo? And she said: "GERMANY"

I walked off and tried to follow the producers towards the boarding room, and the stopped to have a little chat. I was lucky enough to overheard an airline assistant coming to them and handing one of them boarding passes explaining to him the route. I got closer and heard: "...and then the lufthansa flight departing at 05:00 pm (more or less)"

So, this is what we've got guys....germany is the next destination!!

Here is the departure board from Sao Paulo's GRU airport this afternoon:

Airline   Flight   Day   ETA   Conf   Origin   Connection   Status
   05811    02/12    12:00    12:26    Salvador    check    Confirmed
   02223    02/12    12:00    12:55    Vitória Da Conquista       Confirmed
   00750    02/12    12:00    13:14    Santiago       Confirmed
   03515    02/12    12:10    12:02    Fortaleza    check    Confirmed
   02231    02/12    12:10    12:10    Sao Jose Do Rio Preto       Canceled
   03487    02/12    12:10    12:16    Ilhéus       Confirmed
   01996    02/12    12:10    12:49    Macapá    check    Confirmed
   05323    02/12    12:20    12:00    Cuiabá    check    Confirmed
   06377    02/12    12:20    12:06    Juazeiro Do Norte       Confirmed
   01486    02/12    12:20    12:16    Florianópolis       Confirmed
   06717    02/12    12:25    12:11    Brasília       Confirmed
   05324    02/12    12:25    12:27    Juiz De Fora       Confirmed
   07676    02/12    12:25    12:28    Belo Horizonte       Confirmed
   03502    02/12    12:25    12:28    Porto Alegre       Confirmed
   00014    02/12    12:30    12:10    México       Confirmed
   06311    02/12    12:30    12:17    Petrolina    check    Confirmed
   06127    02/12    12:35    12:10    Porto Alegre       Confirmed
   01435    02/12    12:45    12:32    Salvador    check    Confirmed
   01846    02/12    12:50    12:47    Curitiba       Confirmed
   01057    02/12    13:00    13:20    Recife       Confirmed
   01983    02/12    13:00    13:45    Salvador       Confirmed
   03457    02/12    13:10    12:33    Goiânia       Confirmed
   03288    02/12    13:15    13:24    Porto Alegre       Confirmed
   05471    02/12    13:20    13:07    Manaus    check    Confirmed
   05713    02/12    13:20    13:16    Curitiba       Confirmed
   01073    02/12    13:20    13:26    Fortaleza       Confirmed
   08018    02/12    13:25    13:22    Belo Horizonte       Confirmed
   01274    02/12    13:25    13:25    Buenos Aires       Confirmed
   08050    02/12    13:30    13:55    Rio Jan-Galeao       Confirmed
   03578    02/12    13:35    13:10    Goiânia    check    Confirmed
   03497    02/12    13:45    13:29    Fortaleza       Confirmed
   03377    02/12    13:45    14:20    Vitória       Delayed
   01788    02/12    13:50    13:50    Porto Alegre       Confirmed
   07457    02/12    13:50    14:30    Lima-Callao    check    Delayed
   00618    02/12    13:55    13:55    Montevideo       Canceled
   03895    02/12    13:55    14:20    Fortaleza    check    Confirmed
   02265    02/12    14:00    14:00    Ribeirao Preto       Confirmed
   01473    02/12    14:00    14:00    Navegantes       Confirmed
   05495    02/12    14:05    14:05    Araçatuba    check    Confirmed
   05508    02/12    14:05    14:05    Curitiba    check    Confirmed
   05371    02/12    14:05    14:05    Pres. Prudente       Confirmed
   03602    02/12    14:10    14:05    S. Paulo-Guarulhos    check    Confirmed
   00736    02/12    14:10    14:30    Santa Cruz       Confirmed
   06384    02/12    14:15    14:15    Cuiabá    check    On Time
   05325    02/12    14:15    14:15    Belo Horizonte    check    On Time
   03330    02/12    14:20    14:20    Londrina    check    On Time
   05768    02/12    14:30    14:30    Rio Jan-S.Dumont       Confirmed
   03549    02/12    14:35    14:35    Recife       On Time
   03294    02/12    14:35    14:35    Porto Alegre       On Time
   01477    02/12    14:40    14:40    Fortaleza    check    On Time
   01271    02/12    14:40    14:40    Salvador       On Time
   03558    02/12    14:40    14:40    Foz Do Iguaçu       On Time
   01242    02/12    14:40    15:31    Buenos Aires       Confirmed
   01163    02/12    14:55    14:55    Maringá    check    On Time
   01445    02/12    14:55    14:55    Maringá       On Time

No flights to Frankfurt or anywhere else in Germany or anywhere in Europe at all except London are listed as far as I can see. The next thing to do is check on yesterday's flights if that is possible. I will do so.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 02, 2011, 10:23:26 AM
And here is yesterday's nonstop flights from GRU to FRA (which for corresponding flights today I did not pick up in an earlier note because they were outside the relatively narrow window displayed):

     On-time         Departure    Term    Arrival    Term              
Flight    Rating    Airline    Sched    Actual    Gate    Sched    Actual    
LH 507    
                       Lufthansa    19:45    20:35    T-2          10:15    10:41
 
JJ 8070    
          TAM Linhas Aereas    23:25                T-1          14:10    13:53    


Neither of these corresponds to a 1205pm departure from GRU.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Cocoa on December 02, 2011, 10:27:12 AM
Dejavu much from S16? 0_0
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 02, 2011, 10:29:25 AM
And here is yesterday's nonstop flights from GRU to FRA (which for corresponding flights today I did not pick up in an earlier note because they were outside the relatively narrow window displayed):

     On-time         Departure    Term    Arrival    Term              
Flight    Rating    Airline    Sched    Actual    Gate    Sched    Actual    
LH 507    
                       Lufthansa    19:45    20:35    T-2          10:15    10:41
 
JJ 8070    
          TAM Linhas Aereas    23:25                T-1          14:10    13:53    


Neither of these corresponds to a 1205pm departure from GRU.

The flight TO Sau Paulo departed at 12.05
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 02, 2011, 10:34:51 AM
And here is yesterday's nonstop flights from GRU to FRA (which for corresponding flights today I did not pick up in an earlier note because they were outside the relatively narrow window displayed):

     On-time         Departure    Term    Arrival    Term              
Flight    Rating    Airline    Sched    Actual    Gate    Sched    Actual    
LH 507    
                       Lufthansa    19:45    20:35    T-2          10:15    10:41
 
JJ 8070    
          TAM Linhas Aereas    23:25                T-1          14:10    13:53    


Neither of these corresponds to a 1205pm departure from GRU.

The flight TO Sau Paulo departed at 12.05
It's Frankfurt....

One of these two flights i think:

5:40 pm Depart Sao Paulo (GRU)
Arrive Frankfurt (FRA) 4:20 pm 

TAP Portugal 82  / 6701
   Connect in Lisbon (LIS)

Flight 6701 operated by Lufthansa

OR

5:40 pm Depart Sao Paulo (GRU)
Arrive Frankfurt (FRA) 11:05 am

TAP Portugal 82  / 6707
   Connect in Lisbon (LIS)

Flight 6707 operated by Lufthansa

Yes, TP82 existed for yesterday 1740 0451+1 GRU LIS and connection to today's LH 1173    
   0700+1    0655+1       1110+1    1053+1

I recognize that is possible, but tell my why teams would have been interested in a connection when when should have been able to get a nonstop arriving slightly earlier.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 02, 2011, 10:37:37 AM
And here is yesterday's nonstop flights from GRU to FRA (which for corresponding flights today I did not pick up in an earlier note because they were outside the relatively narrow window displayed):

     On-time         Departure    Term    Arrival    Term              
Flight    Rating    Airline    Sched    Actual    Gate    Sched    Actual    
LH 507    
                       Lufthansa    19:45    20:35    T-2          10:15    10:41
 
JJ 8070    
          TAM Linhas Aereas    23:25                T-1          14:10    13:53    


Neither of these corresponds to a 1205pm departure from GRU.

The flight TO Sau Paulo departed at 12.05

From where? Not according to established sources from either ASU, EZE or AEP airports.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 02, 2011, 10:39:11 AM
What about LH 505 to Munich 17:15?

There's the winner! It landed at 8am in Munich this morning.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on December 02, 2011, 10:53:36 AM
My power is still off  (:;)

There LH 505 to Munich that leaves at 5:15 pm

That should be good enough  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on December 02, 2011, 10:56:29 AM
There seem to be no tweets, really? Munich is a big airport too, many people would recognize the race...

SPEC: I was there this summer. Places to be visited in Munich can include: Olympia Park (hosted Olympic games in 1972), BMW Welt, the Allianz Arena is pretty cool too, or maybe the Jewish Center (I couldn't get in as a reservation should be made in advance).

Let's see how this develops.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on December 02, 2011, 10:56:54 AM
What about LH 505 to Munich 17:15?

Sorry missed this!  You had it all along  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on December 02, 2011, 10:57:24 AM
What about LH 505 to Munich 17:15?

There's the winner! It landed at 8am in Munich this morning.

Are teams arriving at the same time? That was only for production, wasn't it?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kiki on December 02, 2011, 11:03:26 AM
I'm confused. According to what I can find there is no flight from Asuncion to Sao Paulo leaving at 12.05pm. The only flight to Sao Paulo is at 4.15am.
There is a flight at 12.05pm but it's going to Buenos Aires (EZE).
No disrespect Docol, but could the lady at the ticket counter have lied to you?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Polarbear on December 02, 2011, 12:01:22 PM
In the pictures the production team is standing at the TAM counter aren't they? . The flight to Buenos Aires is operated by Gol Air Transport.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on December 02, 2011, 12:08:13 PM
the thing about that flight (PZ 706) is that goes to AGT (Ciudad del Este) first and then goes to Sao Paulo....it is scheduled to depart at 11:20 but it was delayed and took off at 12:05...

take a look:

http://twitpic.com/7n6uz7 (http://twitpic.com/7n6uz7)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on December 02, 2011, 12:15:31 PM
Yes, they were standing and checked in at the TAM Airlines Counter.....and continuing with my last post...in the picture i sent, you can see the delay(From 3:00 pm to 4:10 pm)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Polarbear on December 02, 2011, 12:53:31 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Docol!

So this flight departed from Ciudad del Este (AGT) and arrived in Sao Paulo (GRU) at 4:10 pm local time, 70 minutes late. It is now 16:50 pm in Sao Paulo. Maybe they aren't taking the Munich flight after all, but going to Frankfurt at 7:45 pm, like docol said, after all? :)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on December 02, 2011, 12:57:44 PM
^ i think so ^
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 02, 2011, 01:08:17 PM
This is excellent work docol!

One thing to keep in mind is that sometimes TAR production people skip or leapfrog legs. So they may not be headed to the location of next leg, but may be going to the location of the leg after that.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 02, 2011, 02:33:34 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Docol!

So this flight departed from Ciudad del Este (AGT) and arrived in Sao Paulo (GRU) at 4:10 pm local time, 70 minutes late. It is now 16:50 pm in Sao Paulo. Maybe they aren't taking the Munich flight after all, but going to Frankfurt at 7:45 pm, like docol said, after all? :)

Huh?
I have the information on yesterday's flight PZ706 AGT GRU to be 1220 (approx.) 1503, which is ample time to make a connection there to either LH505 to Munich 1735 0810+1 or flight LH507 to Frankfurt 2035 1041+1. If teams did go to Munich, then would have had several morning Lufthansa flights (every 30 to 60 minutes) to choose from if their ultimate destination was really Frankfurt.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Polarbear on December 02, 2011, 03:02:15 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Docol!

So this flight departed from Ciudad del Este (AGT) and arrived in Sao Paulo (GRU) at 4:10 pm local time, 70 minutes late. It is now 16:50 pm in Sao Paulo. Maybe they aren't taking the Munich flight after all, but going to Frankfurt at 7:45 pm, like docol said, after all? :)

Huh?
I have the information on yesterday's flight PZ706 AGT GRU to be 1220 (approx.) 1503, which is ample time to make a connection there to either LH505 to Munich 1735 0810+1 or flight LH507 to Frankfurt 2035 1041+1. If teams did go to Munich, then would have had several morning Lufthansa flights (every 30 to 60 minutes) to choose from if their ultimate destination was really Frankfurt.

Maybe I misunderstood. Did the teams leave yesterday for Germany? I think the time zones are confusing me...I'll leave you professionals to it :)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 02, 2011, 03:31:11 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Docol!

So this flight departed from Ciudad del Este (AGT) and arrived in Sao Paulo (GRU) at 4:10 pm local time, 70 minutes late. It is now 16:50 pm in Sao Paulo. Maybe they aren't taking the Munich flight after all, but going to Frankfurt at 7:45 pm, like docol said, after all? :)

Huh?
I have the information on yesterday's flight PZ706 AGT GRU to be 1220 (approx.) 1503, which is ample time to make a connection there to either LH505 to Munich 1735 0810+1 or flight LH507 to Frankfurt 2035 1041+1. If teams did go to Munich, then would have had several morning Lufthansa flights (every 30 to 60 minutes) to choose from if their ultimate destination was really Frankfurt.

Maybe I misunderstood. Did the teams leave yesterday for Germany? I think the time zones are confusing me...I'll leave you professionals to it :)

The teams were racing yesterday in Asuncion. Most likely they had a rest period of undetermined length afterward. They may have been released already but not too long ago, I think. They could be in a rest period for up to 24 more hours. It's hard to say. We won't know until we get more sightings.

The sightings we have leaving for Germany are for the production staff (not the teams of racers) which understandably would like to arrive well ahead of the teams to get set up for the next leg. As has been pointed out, there is often more than one production team and this one might have been leaving early while another leg with another production team will be run before the teams go to Germany.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on December 02, 2011, 03:33:01 PM
TAM is a brazilian airline... (Transportes Aéreos Marília in portuguese,but in english would be Marília Air or something like that)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on December 02, 2011, 03:51:41 PM
If there is any chance (I hope!) that they are having the finale in Michigan (probably Detroit), you know who to call! I know the are like the back of my hand, and they could do a lot of cool things here. :)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 02, 2011, 08:38:09 PM
Teams left Asuncion today!! Around 5-6 PM/
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 02, 2011, 08:41:56 PM
Teams left Asuncion today!! Around 5-6 PM/

Was there any information on the next destination!?

So the flight is in 3.5 hours at the least. So an early morning arrival in Europe?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 02, 2011, 08:44:02 PM

Was there any information on the next destination!?

So the flight is in 3.5 hours at the least. So an early morning arrival in Europe?

??? all of this in the Live thread....
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 02, 2011, 08:48:25 PM
Yes it was but that was mostly for the crew that left not the teams.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 02, 2011, 10:17:47 PM
Actually I would prefer that all transport posts go in Neobie's thread, will move these there!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on December 02, 2011, 10:24:11 PM
So..i confirm it.! The pit stop for the Paraguay leg is The Escalinata..!   :hrt:

You can see it right here:

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/9812/pitstop.gif)

And here's the location of the roadblock and the pitstop at the map:

(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9844/mapqx.png)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 02, 2011, 10:57:34 PM
:yess: Good job!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paridy on December 03, 2011, 11:49:25 AM
so have we figured out if the one team is Brenchel kinda of looks like them to me jmo?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 03, 2011, 11:57:06 AM
so have we figured out if the one team is Brenchel kinda of looks like them to me jmo?

:welcome: to RFF Paridy! We are discussing the contestants over here! :waves:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26531.msg685742.html#msg685742
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paridy on December 03, 2011, 12:06:00 PM
so have we figured out if the one team is Brenchel kinda of looks like them to me jmo?

:welcome: to RFF Paridy! We are discussing the contestants over here! :waves:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26531.msg685742.html#msg685742

thanks for the welcome as you can see a newbie   :js:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 03, 2011, 12:30:39 PM
:welcome2: to RFF, paridy!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on December 03, 2011, 01:00:16 PM
I am guessing that they are somewhere in Germany right now and its evening there.  My speculation is that they landed in Frankfurt and took a train to another part of Germany like the Hamburg leg in Season 16 where it was done at night.  Cities for my speculation: Mannheim, Dusseldorf, Worms, Cologne, Bonn, Nuremburg, Stuttgart, Dresden, Bremen, or Hanover.  But the other option to my speculation is that Frankfurt could also just be an connection point to another part of Europe and with possible chances of visiting Finland or Latvia.  If Finland is visited it would be the second time since Season 10 but this is only my speculation and nothing more.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 03, 2011, 01:16:24 PM
I am guessing that they are somewhere in Germany right now and its evening there.  My speculation is that they landed in Frankfurt and took a train to another part of Germany like the Hamburg leg in Season 16 where it was done at night.  Cities for my speculation: Mannheim, Dusseldorf, Worms, Cologne, Bonn, Nuremburg, Stuttgart, Dresden, Bremen, or Hanover.  But the other option to my speculation is that Frankfurt could also just be an connection point to another part of Europe and with possible chances of visiting Finland or Latvia.  If Finland is visited it would be the second time since Season 10 but this is only my speculation and nothing more.

germany was vist last season
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: stasf on December 03, 2011, 01:34:39 PM
It could be Latvia.
I have no information about that.
But i'm still alive and cheking/reading this forum.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 03, 2011, 01:47:36 PM
Paraguay-Latvia would be the second longest distance from one leg to the other ever. Not sure about that especially when it seems like the race is trying to cut costs (such as only land travel in Europe).
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on December 03, 2011, 01:49:32 PM
Paraguay-Latvia would be the second longest distance from one leg to the other ever. Not sure about that especially when it seems like the race is trying to cut costs (such as only land travel in Europe).

Like the this season doing 7 legs in just 4 different countries...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Wisnia on December 03, 2011, 02:52:25 PM
Hey. TAR 20 maybe POLAND! ;D


http://www.reality-tv.pl/2011/11/28/uczestnicy-the-amazing-race-okradzeni-w-polsce-po-raz-drugi/

Z nieoficjalnych informacji wynika, że Polska znajduje się na trasie amerykańskiego „The Amazing Race 20″, którego realizacja ruszyła w miniony w weekend. Czy Waszym zdaniem uczestnicy show powinni mieć się na baczności? - He writes: According to unofficial information, it appears that Poland is on the U.S. "The Amazing Race 20", whose implementation was launched this past weekend. Is your opinion the participants show should be on your guard?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 03, 2011, 02:55:34 PM
I hope so!! Loved the last time they came and would like to see it again! :tu for sharing!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 03, 2011, 03:01:52 PM
"According to unofficial information, it appears that Poland is on the U.S. "The Amazing Race 20", whose implementation was launched this past weekend. Do you think your show participants should be wary "

A rough translation. Nothing is official just speculation.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 03, 2011, 03:04:05 PM
Isarl went last week cant be talk about that
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Don Task on December 03, 2011, 03:45:12 PM
No, that's not right.

They wrote that contestants of The Amazing Race have been robbed for the second time during their visit of Poland. For the first time, TARA1 contestants were robbed last year in the train from the Czech Republic and now contestants of The Amazing Race Israel were robbed. Some Polish took their wallets with all their money.

There is no connection with TAR 20.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 03, 2011, 03:59:30 PM
No, that's not right.

They wrote that contestants of The Amazing Race have been robbed for the second time during their visit of Poland. For the first time, TARA1 contestants were robbed last year in the train from the Czech Republic and now contestants of The Amazing Race Israel were robbed. Some Polish took their wallets with all their money.

There is no connection with TAR 20.

There is a line towards the ending which the author speculates a possible visit to Poland.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Wisnia on December 03, 2011, 04:04:57 PM
At the end is unofficially referred to that Poland is on the route TAR 20.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 03, 2011, 04:40:09 PM
"According to unofficial information, it appears that Poland is on the U.S. "The Amazing Race 20", whose implementation was launched this past weekend. Do you think your show participants should be wary "

A rough translation. Nothing is official just speculation.

This is correct. There IS  a spec in this article, thanks Leafsfan.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on December 03, 2011, 07:41:56 PM
POLAND. :luvya: :hugs:

I sure hope so!

(BTW, I can have anything you may need translated. :tup:)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Kacper on December 03, 2011, 10:18:56 PM
AH! POLAND!  :wohoo:
It would be so amazing if it was true!
I mean, according to the website Wisnia showed us it SEEMS like they will visit Poland. :) That would be relly cool.
Btw, I am so exciting after a lonnggg time, I am flying to Poland in less than two weeks myself so :)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 04, 2011, 07:48:48 AM
LH 1842 from Munich arrived at FCO around the time that was tweeted.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 04, 2011, 08:18:32 AM
So after not even hearing a peep from Germany, could Rome be the fifth leg?

With a Paraguay leg on the 1st, a night flight to Europe on the 2nd to the 3rd and a suspected leg in Germany, could we really have a leg  in Italy on the 4th as well? It just seems too fast..
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: stasf on December 04, 2011, 08:18:40 AM
LH 1842 from Munich arrived at FCO around the time that was tweeted.
Yes - http://info.flightmapper.net/flight/Lufthansa_LH_1842

Maybe someone can ask her?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 04, 2011, 08:19:46 AM
LH 1842 from Munich arrived at FCO around the time that was tweeted.
Yes - http://info.flightmapper.net/flight/Lufthansa_LH_1842

Maybe someone can ask her?

Peach is on it, no use everyone asking her :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 04, 2011, 09:13:02 AM
I have asked. Nice find Stasf!

Now...PUH--LEEZE y'all take chatter to spec?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 04, 2011, 09:59:03 AM
Can this be TARA2???

 :groan

This is what happens when two races film at the same time.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 04, 2011, 10:02:48 AM
There is NO TARA. TARaus should be elsewhere.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 04, 2011, 10:37:08 AM
There is NO TARA. TARaus should be elsewhere.

Yea I meant Australia I thought it was clear with the 2 I put. Last sighting was France and Italy isn't too far from there.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 04, 2011, 10:37:53 AM
ebethjane15 Elizabeth Farmer
 @peachrff they were arriving,running through the airport,i think there were four teams, because i saw four camera guys, no pictures:( sorry!

Maybe ask if they watch Big Brother and if they saw B/R?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: stasf on December 04, 2011, 11:36:39 AM
Maybe there was more than 1 flight?

1) LH1842 @ 09:35
http://info.flightmapper.net/flight/Lufthansa_LH_1842
Arrives @ 11:10
2) LH1844 @ 11:40
http://info.flightmapper.net/flight/Lufthansa_LH_1844
Arrives @ 13:10
3) AZ437 @ 11:50
http://info.flightmapper.net/flight/Alitalia_AZ_437
Arrives @ 13:20
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 04, 2011, 03:25:18 PM
PEACH DO YOU THHINK THEY TOOK BUSY TO PARAGUAY found that on
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: graytex on December 04, 2011, 04:49:42 PM
Found a blog post that says TAR will be filming in Vancouver in the next few days.  There doesn't seem to be certainty of which version.  I'm not sure where the person got the info.  Here is the blog link:

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2011/12/amazing-race-vancouver-filming-locations/ (http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2011/12/amazing-race-vancouver-filming-locations/)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 04, 2011, 04:51:01 PM
It is TAR aus we think...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 04, 2011, 04:58:33 PM
Taroz can't be in Rome and Canada :lol: Besides they were going Dubai-Istanbul-Paris. They wouldn't double back to Rome.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 05, 2011, 02:27:37 AM
Taroz can't be in Rome and Canada :lol: Besides they were going Dubai-Istanbul-Paris. They wouldn't double back to Rome.

I agree that Rome is unlikely for TarAus, but it is possible - the first season did a sort of loop in Europe and then came back to Israel and Sri Lanka to get to Australia. It's unlikely but possible. :duno:

I think Rome is probably the US racers, but this is just my speculation! :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on December 05, 2011, 11:29:19 AM
Taroz can't be in Rome and Canada :lol: Besides they were going Dubai-Istanbul-Paris. They wouldn't double back to Rome.

I agree that Rome is unlikely for TarAus, but it is possible - the first season did a sort of loop in Europe and then came back to Israel and Sri Lanka to get to Australia. It's unlikely but possible. :duno:

I think Rome is probably the US racers, but this is just my speculation! :tup:

Shoudn't this thread be about TAR20 and not TARAus2. 
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 05, 2011, 03:25:35 PM
Whenever we have 2 races running there is bound to be some confusion and overlap. I move stuff if we are sure, other will get sorted out along the way.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 05, 2011, 03:35:23 PM
So Rome is likely believed to be the American version?  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 05, 2011, 03:37:50 PM
If anyone finds anything for Rome let me know asap please?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 06, 2011, 12:21:57 PM
nothing yet gosh do think we lost them like austrillia
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 06, 2011, 02:04:58 PM
ZBC, we probably haven't lost them unless Rome was a connection point to elsewhere in the Medditerrean or north Africa.
This is where google comes in, and the live bloggers and the photo sites and facebook, and not just twitter. :)
If you are impatient now, you can't imagine what it was like before facebook and before twitter. :)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 07, 2011, 11:32:37 AM
it can be possiable tar in maylisa but they vist alright S16t
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 07, 2011, 12:38:44 PM
someone help m i am conffes tar20 it candana or italy
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paridy on December 07, 2011, 01:31:00 PM
Well it looks like they took awhile to get to an Olympic City again  :cmaslol, but yay on seeing Torino again. I hope they do more of Europe. :cmas20
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 07, 2011, 03:55:16 PM
The Last two Olympic Winter Games hosts visited by different franchises coincidence?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: stasf on December 07, 2011, 04:41:25 PM
I agree, that is really amazing, that you found this blogpost. Thanks!

So where are they now?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 07, 2011, 05:07:33 PM
Since the teams were flying between Paraguay and Germany and now are in Turin + the producers recent tendency of land travel means teams landed in Munich? had a leg through Austria/Switzerland and took a train to Turin?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 07, 2011, 06:06:19 PM
You missed the spoiler from the Rome airport.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: guacamole300 on December 07, 2011, 06:30:24 PM
Is this the first time in Torino? I dont remember...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 07, 2011, 07:19:58 PM
Yes, it will be the first time for Torino.

Other Italian cities previously visited by Amazing Races are:
Rome
Modena 
Venice
Cortina
Milan
Palermo
Segesta
Catania
Syracuse
Ancona
Empoli
Florence
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Guylevesque on December 07, 2011, 07:23:00 PM
^ You mean Turin not rome
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 07, 2011, 07:25:19 PM
Yes, you're right Guylevesque. Thanks. I have fixed the mental error.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 07, 2011, 07:32:23 PM
You missed the spoiler from the Rome airport.

Oops !
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Flamant on December 07, 2011, 07:56:45 PM
So could there be a leg in Rome (lets hope Vatican!! :cmaslol) before the Torino leg?? :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 07, 2011, 10:06:58 PM
It's possible since I do not believe teams would fly to Rome solely to connect to Torino.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 07, 2011, 10:16:31 PM
It's possible since I do not believe teams would fly to Rome solely to connect to Torino.

Is it possible for that to have happened? Suppose they were flying from the location of leg 4 which does not have a direct flight into Turin?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kiki on December 08, 2011, 12:57:11 AM
The first thing that comes to my mind when Turin is mentioned is not ski but cars. In Turin is located  the first factory of FIAT and the company's headquarters.
And guess what: Ford is working with FIAT http://www.toomanycars.info/CarRelationship/Car_Rel-Image2.htm

According to this (http://www.fiatspa.com/en-US/group/centro_storico/FiatDocuments/Apertura%20Centro%20Storico%20Fiat_EN.pdf): the FIAT museum was open this year.

THIS IS PURE SPECULATION but I it would be great if it was true.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: topaz on December 08, 2011, 06:50:18 AM
The first thing that comes to my mind when Turin is mentioned is not ski but cars. In Turin is located  the first factory of FIAT and the company's headquarters.
And guess what: Ford is working with FIAT http://www.toomanycars.info/CarRelationship/Car_Rel-Image2.htm

According to this (http://www.fiatspa.com/en-US/group/centro_storico/FiatDocuments/Apertura%20Centro%20Storico%20Fiat_EN.pdf): the FIAT museum was open this year.

THIS IS PURE SPECULATION but I it would be great if it was true.
so, are they gonna drive test a fiat car in Torino just like what they'd did on a 2nd Belgian leg on TAR 19 for Ford Mustang and that car will include on a sponsor for the upcoming TAR 20?  And how will Survivor gonna say this? :cmas19

So, they're now already in Italy... and after that I have a gut feeling that by tomorrow or this weekend, they'll racing through Asian region.  God, hopefully that they'll visit to my country in the Philippines for TAR 20 and the rumor about they'll might visit to Ilocos province is true.  So, cross my fingers and pray. :cmas22 :cmas16
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 08, 2011, 07:34:45 AM
Since as far as we know this was NOT TARaus, we def need to keep this in mind for TAR 20!

News about upcoming TARA5 application this year

LAOAG CITY, Oct. 20 (PIA) — Get ready for season 5 of the reality game show The Amazing Race Asia as it goes to Ilocos Norte.

The municipalities of Burgos, Bangui and Pagudpud in Ilocos Norte will be the show’s trail for season 5 which will be aired in next year’s episode.

The US-based reality show chose the seven great wonders Ilocos Norte for the utilization of the shows’ venue.
The Amazing Race Asia 5

The Amazing Race Asia Season 5 goes to Ilocos Norte
These spots include the Kaangrian falls, Avis falls, The Cape Bojedour which is thehighest light house in Asia, the famous Kapurpurawan rock formation all from Burgos, the Patapat bridge, the beaches of Pagudpud, and the first windmills in Asia located in Bangui.

Mayor Chrisente Garcia of Burgos said, “the team of the show were mesmerized with the tourist spots in our place and decided to shoot the episodes of the show here, upon the initiative of our provincial governor.”

“This is good because this will also be part of promoting tourism in our place,” he added.

The seven stop-overs in the place compliment the component and the game orientation of the show.

Basically, the structure of the race is for the teams to travel to different locations by following the route information, perform some various tasks, and checking in at the Pit Stop.

Teams normally complete all the tasks and check in at the Pit Stop before they are eliminated. Occasionally, on an elimination leg, if all other teams have checked in and the last team is very far behind, Route Markers may instruct them to go directly to the Pit Stop without completing the rest of the leg.

Milagros Gonzales, Chief of Department of Tourism Field office in Ilocos Norte, together with the mayor of Burgos, is currently having their field inspection to places where the show will commence.

The participants for the competition will be arriving this December to start the race. (ANL/CJD-PIA 1 Ilocos Norte)

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on December 08, 2011, 02:28:36 PM
If they are in Torino and they are having some Winter Olympic themed task, I'll die if I see the race team's performing curling!!! <33333333333 x1000000
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 08, 2011, 02:49:51 PM
The story that Milanissimo found that says TAR will be visiting the Piedmont is intriguing. It also mentions the involvement of Panorama Film, apparently doing the local production.  As best I can tell from a quick search, Panorama Film is a Swedish company. It seems kind of odd to bring a Swedish company in to produce a leg in Italy. Perhaps they will also being doing a leg in Sweden (or somewhere in Scandinavia) and it was just easier to work with one company for both legs? I have no proof, this is total speculation on my part.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 08, 2011, 02:59:50 PM
If they are in Torino and they are having some Winter Olympic themed task, I'll die if I see the race team's performing curling!!! <33333333333 x1000000
The producers have already used curling before  :cmaslol  it was back in Season 8 for the family edition in which teams curled in Montreal.


The story that Milanissimo found that says TAR will be visiting the Piedmont is intriguing. It also mentions the involvement of Panorama Film, apparently doing the local production.  As best I can tell from a quick search, Panorama Film is a Swedish company. It seems kind of odd to bring a Swedish company in to produce a leg in Italy. Perhaps they will also being doing a leg in Sweden (or somewhere in Scandinavia) and it was just easier to work with one company for both legs? I have no proof, this is total speculation on my part.

Maybe the company has an office in Turin?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kiki on December 08, 2011, 03:00:49 PM
http://www.panoramafilms.com/

I think this is a different panorama film, specializing in Italy.

P.S. They have worked with America's next Top Model in 2010. LOL!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 08, 2011, 03:17:33 PM
http://www.panoramafilms.com/

I think this is a different panorama film, specializing in Italy.

OK, that makes more sense. I was looking at http://www.panoramafilm.se/ (http://www.panoramafilm.se/). Forget about the idea of Sweden.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 08, 2011, 03:31:14 PM
wait wait sweden so they are doing race sooon
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 08, 2011, 03:33:11 PM
wait wait sweden so they are doing race sooon

I was wrong about Sweden. I have absolutely no idea where they are going after Italy.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 08, 2011, 03:44:44 PM
wait wait sweden so they are doing race sooon

I was wrong about Sweden. I have absolutely no idea where they are going after Italy.

will let think turin go back into eroupe right cant be austria  :cmas11
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Charlie90 on December 08, 2011, 10:28:12 PM

jhoenshell5 James Hoenshell
@
@d0cc0l they were on my flight from bahrain to new delhi. that wasn't their final destination though, they had a connecting flight
2 hours ago



If this is true, then:
Bahrain???? Could it be that one leg took place there? And also..New Delhi???? So soon? This is supposed to be like leg 5 or 6 isn't? No Africa this season?

Here's hoping this tweet is fake.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on December 08, 2011, 11:25:31 PM

jhoenshell5 James Hoenshell
@
@d0cc0l they were on my flight from bahrain to new delhi. that wasn't their final destination though, they had a connecting flight
2 hours ago


Turin filmed in Dec4(probably leg5),judging timeline now should be leg7/8.

 
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on December 08, 2011, 11:36:04 PM

jhoenshell5 James Hoenshell
@
@d0cc0l they were on my flight from bahrain to new delhi. that wasn't their final destination though, they had a connecting flight
2 hours ago


Turin filmed in Dec4(probably leg5),judging timeline now should be leg7/8.

If this is true, then:
Bahrain???? Could it be that one leg took place there? And also..New Delhi???? So soon? This is supposed to be like leg 5 or 6 isn't? No Africa this season?

Here's hoping this tweet is fake.

TAR AUS?  ???
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on December 09, 2011, 05:02:16 AM
Spec only.

China hasn't been visited in a while. Yesterday, I was watching TV and there was a piece of news that talked about Yiwu, China.

It's a city built for markets and such, and now there are 160K different companies in there. It's the heart of China in business terms.

The report was about the Christmas decoration, all sort of products for christmas, and the exportation to loooots of countries. I think that could make a good leg in December, maybe?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on December 09, 2011, 07:06:04 AM
Spec only.

China hasn't been visited in a while.


actually, Unfinished Business went to China.....and that was last season!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: topaz on December 09, 2011, 07:33:10 AM

jhoenshell5 James Hoenshell
@
@d0cc0l they were on my flight from bahrain to new delhi. that wasn't their final destination though, they had a connecting flight
2 hours ago



If this is true, then:
Bahrain???? Could it be that one leg took place there? And also..New Delhi???? So soon? This is supposed to be like leg 5 or 6 isn't? No Africa this season?

Here's hoping this tweet is fake.
Maybe, but if Bahrain and New Delhi was just a connecting flights from Turin, Italy, then probably they're racing right now either in Nepal, Bhutan or even worst since season 1 and keeps repeating, India. :cmas18 just a spec. :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 09, 2011, 07:34:15 AM

jhoenshell5 James Hoenshell
@
@d0cc0l they were on my flight from bahrain to new delhi. that wasn't their final destination though, they had a connecting flight
2 hours ago



If this is true, then:
Bahrain???? Could it be that one leg took place there? And also..New Delhi???? So soon? This is supposed to be like leg 5 or 6 isn't? No Africa this season?

Here's hoping this tweet is fake.
Maybe, but if Bahrain and New Delhi was just a connecting flights from Turin, Italy, then probably they're racing right now either in Nepal, Bhutan or even worst since season 1 and keeps repeating, India. :cmas18 just a spec. :cmas5

will phil say he real real real real want go to nepal
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 09, 2011, 09:52:43 AM
It's possible since I do not believe teams would fly to Rome solely to connect to Torino.

Is it possible for that to have happened? Suppose they were flying from the location of leg 4 which does not have a direct flight into Turin?
I think you missed the point of my earlier post, leafsfan. It is that Milan provides all the airports much closer to Torino that are needed. It is possible that flights could connect in Rome, but unlikely in my judgment. That means that the sighting of team in Rome airport would have to be for a leg in the Rome area, possibly a TBC leg.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 09, 2011, 10:00:08 AM
See AR20 Transport thread, where I should have originally posted what I did here.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 09, 2011, 03:15:36 PM
Depends on where they are coming frm right?. It appears that the airport sighting in Rome IS the same day as the Turin sighting, so had ti be a connection.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 09, 2011, 04:14:09 PM
Peach:


You had stated "From here on out let's put all transport related posts here please...it makes it MUCH simpler to find stuff later!", but I am game to discuss those here. The prior indications are that teams flew across "the pond" to either Frankfurt or to Munich from Sao Paulo. So, why would teams headed for Torino connect through Rome when they could easily go nonstop to Torino?

From Frankfurt the logical flights to reach Torino are these Lufthansa nonstops:
LH296 0750 0910
LH300 1225 1345
LH304 2125 2245

From Munich, the logical flights to reach Torino are these Lufthansa nonstops:
LH1894 0635 0800
LH1892 1055 1235
LH1890 1450 1630
LH1900 1700 1840
LH1984 2115 2255

I always believe that "sightings" that conflict with the logical way of doing things are either inaccurate or at best routes used by teams that could not qualify for the best flights.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 09, 2011, 09:20:33 PM
The prior indications are that teams flew across "the pond" to either Frankfurt or to Munich from Sao Paulo. So, why would teams headed for Torino connect through Rome when they could easily go nonstop to Torino?


I don't know WHY, but it appears they did, so let's take a look at that?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 09, 2011, 09:27:20 PM
The prior indications are that teams flew across "the pond" to either Frankfurt or to Munich from Sao Paulo. So, why would teams headed for Torino connect through Rome when they could easily go nonstop to Torino?


I don't know WHY, but it appears they did, so let's take a look at that?

A destination that Frankfurt connects through but that destination does not have a direct flight to Turin. Endless possibilities. Can Poland as speculated earlier be an option?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on December 09, 2011, 10:02:49 PM
I don't think we can assume that teams flew to Frankfurt at all!

This assumption was made because:
1. Production was seen flying to Munich.
2. The only other flight to Germany that night (for the teams) was to Frankfurt.

But it could very well be that production was skipping ahead to Leg Five - Turin:
Asuncion to Ciudad del Este: 2 Dec 1120-1200, to Sao Paulo 1220-1500;
to Munich 1715-0800, to Turin 1055-1235

Which means teams could have been trying to go somewhere completely different for Leg Four.

=====

Looks like the Kiwi poster was on AR 1182, leaving Buenos Aires at 2.30am on the morning of the 28th.

The Miami connections arrive in Buenos Aires at 8.24pm (Aerolineas Argentinas) and 9.56pm (American Airlines). Aeromexico via Mexico City arrived at 8.49pm. All are too early for her departure, unless she arrived at the airport reeally early?

Or TPTB booked teams onto this really late connection:
CM 303 from Los Angeles to Panama City, 27 Dec 0058-1028
CM 363 from Panama City to Buenos Aires, 1546-0056

Note that Buenos Aires-Salta flights leave from AEP, not EZE.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 10, 2011, 08:46:28 AM
Saw this on Twitter from @indietravel:

Like The Amazing Race? They raced by us the other day! Here's a video - http://ow.ly/7THZq #TAR #amazingrace
1 hour ago

The video linked shows a F/F (a blonde and a brunette) team wearing blue.

The person on twitter didn't specify where they were when they caught that clip.  Not sure if it's TAR 20 or TAR Australia, if anything.

This is their post from Facebook:
Looks like we caught a sneak-peak of this season's The Amazing Race at the airport last week! I don't know if they wanted to make it onto our flight, but we didn't see them on board.

Based on their blog it seems they were in south America recently?

http://indietravelpodcast.com/

Don't know if I'm saying something completely obvious or not, but isn't this the same person who created a thread here and posted the same video? (the user indietravel) :cmas30:

If so, he/she said that this was Ezeiza International Airport, which is in Buenos Aires if I am not mistaken. :cmas16

P.S. My apologies if this is in the wrong place. :kisses
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 10, 2011, 09:05:16 AM
Neobie,

Let's leave the Munich vs. Frankfurt issue aside. I would like to know how you rationalize time available for a leg between Asuncion and Torino when our TIMELINE thread states that Asuncion was Dec. 2/3 and Torino Dec. 4?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 10, 2011, 09:15:52 AM
Neobie,

Let's leave the Munich vs. Frankfurt issue aside. I would like to know how you rationalize time available for a leg between Asuncion and Torino when our TIMELINE thread states that Asuncion was Dec. 2/3 and Torino Dec. 4?

We know the Asuncion Leg ended on December 1st. docol saw teams at Asuncion Airport on the 2nd, which would indicate an overnight flight across the Atlantic, so we would assume that leg would end on the 3rd. The destination of this leg is still unknown. Then the Torino Leg is assumed to have started as well as finished on the 4th.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazinglatinoamericafan on December 10, 2011, 03:19:06 PM
hy in the spoiler of tar aussie there is are tweet from a chinese person that said that they saw teams in a race come be tar usa? or is tar aussie? :cmas17
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 10, 2011, 03:27:33 PM
Dom El,

Let me quote from an astute observer:
"Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #298 on: December 04, 2011, 08:18:32 AM »

With a Paraguay leg on the 1st, a night flight to Europe on the 2nd to the 3rd and a suspected leg in Germany, could we really have a leg  in Italy on the 4th as well? It just seems too fast."

Guess what: You wrote that! I don't buy your Germany leg, but that is when a Torino leg should have happened.

Maybe it was an extended pit stop (I would have one soon after a transAtlantic overnight flight if I were designing the race).

Note - I have deleted a section that Peach believes has no support since I cannot find that support (for a sighting at a Torino hotel) anywhere on our AR20 threads.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on December 10, 2011, 07:01:10 PM
hy in the spoiler of tar aussie there is are tweet from a chinese person that said that they saw teams in a race come be tar usa? or is tar aussie? :cmas17

TARAUS :cmas16
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 10, 2011, 09:55:46 PM
Dom El,

Let me quote from an astute observer:
"Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #298 on: December 04, 2011, 08:18:32 AM »

With a Paraguay leg on the 1st, a night flight to Europe on the 2nd to the 3rd and a suspected leg in Germany, could we really have a leg  in Italy on the 4th as well? It just seems too fast."

Guess what: You wrote that! I don't buy your Germany leg, but that is when a Torino leg should have happened.

Others have noted that LH1842 leaving Munich at 0945 (ample connect time from 0815 arrival of the trans-Atlantic flight from GRU) and arriving Torino 1113 was the one that a tweet referred to. if so, then why wouldn't the teams have hit the ground running on late morning of Saturday Dec. 3? They would then check in where they were spotted at a Torino hotel that evening and maybe it was an extended pit stop (I would have one soon after a transAtlantic overnight flight if I were designing the race).

Thank you for your typical condescending response, but I'm not sure I see your point. I was initially sceptical that we could have 3 legs in 2 continents in just 4 days, but this does seem to be what has happened.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it was the 4th that teams were spotted checking-in in Torino, not the 3rd. If it was the 3rd then we certainly don't have time for a leg between Paraguay and Italy.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2011, 07:43:25 AM
They would then check in where they were spotted at a Torino hotel that evening and maybe it was an extended pit stop (I would have one soon after a transAtlantic overnight flight if I were designing the race).



Where did this come from please? I did not see anything about being spotted in a hotel in Turin...can you link me to it please?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 11, 2011, 12:36:53 PM
Peach:

I went back to what posts caused me to conclude that there was a checkin in Torino. Teams were not seen at a hotel; they were seen checking in to the pit stop. In fact, here is the post about that:

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Re: Amazing Race 20 LIVE Sightings! Tweets Go here please! **read post 1**
« Reply #158 on: December 08, 2011, 05:32:10 AM »

    More to come but we now know TEAMS also were seen checikng in 12/4.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on December 11, 2011, 10:02:51 PM
 :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 12, 2011, 04:40:48 PM
I found it!  :xmas146
http://j-travel.blogspot.com/2011/11/another-visit-to-babi-guling-warung-ibu.html

There was also a media shooting during our visit. Ya...the Famous Babi Guling at Bali Island! by well J-travel.blogspot as ready.

(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/robojsl/IndoDay1/Bali2011/AnotherVisitIbuOka/IMG_9313.jpg)

LoveRocked posted this in the TARAUS live sightings. Does it have any relevance to this Race? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 12, 2011, 04:43:01 PM
I found it!  :xmas146
http://j-travel.blogspot.com/2011/11/another-visit-to-babi-guling-warung-ibu.html

There was also a media shooting during our visit. Ya...the Famous Babi Guling at Bali Island! by well J-travel.blogspot as ready.

(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/robojsl/IndoDay1/Bali2011/AnotherVisitIbuOka/IMG_9313.jpg)

LoveRocked posted this in the TARAUS live sightings. Does it have any relevance to this Race? :duno:

The blog post is dated in late November, and the photo was supposedly taken in May, so I'd guess not.. It could be anything filming!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 12, 2011, 04:43:43 PM
Oh my bad! :lol: :-[
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 13, 2011, 02:08:39 AM

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Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 13, 2011, 02:12:20 AM
idk if someone already posted it :


@seoooong ∞ Ifnt7 Umie ●_●
The Amazing race now, they are heading to South Korea.. TEEEHEEE! :D
16 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

nvm, i think everyone there are watching TARA-4.. :(
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: QueenofRussia on December 13, 2011, 10:06:28 PM
idk if someone already posted it :


@seoooong ∞ Ifnt7 Umie ●_●
The Amazing race now, they are heading to South Korea.. TEEEHEEE! :D
16 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

nvm, i think everyone there are watching TARA-4.. :(
OR TAR 17
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 13, 2011, 10:14:40 PM
these is fun no tar20 spoiler mabye their in nepal
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DavidJunior on December 14, 2011, 01:32:30 AM
Should we be expecting teams to be heading back into the States this weekend? Saturday the 17th would be the 21st full day of filming

or do we think that they will be back sooner/later than that?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2011, 05:40:38 AM
I also am spec'ing that the race will end soon...the 16th-18th seems reasonable.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 14, 2011, 07:17:40 AM
just found this tweet :

@MarieDeviNair  - Marie Nair
pretty sure I saw what looked like Amazing Race or those round the world challenge things just run past me.
10 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

She's from India and looks like she's on her travel schedule from her previous tweet, anyone wanted to inspect??

Good catch!

The tweet she sent 25 minutes before that one was

MarieDeviNair Marie Nair
Given the luxury of the Qatar coach cabins, I must say the Doha Terminal is... a disappointment
37 minutes ago


Which suggests she's in Qatar. However, she just now tweeted

@ArundhatiSV noo sweetie... not on my flight. they arrived from katmandu :) arrival gate bside mine!!!

I sure hope that's TAR returning from Katmandu. That would be fantastic!

This should be in the live sightings thread. I'll cross post my reply over there.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 14, 2011, 07:23:00 AM
But why would they be flying from Katmandu to Qatar? That is a major step in the wrong direction!

(I wonder if peach has ever had to move anything TO live sightings :lol3:)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 14, 2011, 07:27:30 AM
The woman tweeting is apparently from Mumbai. She may have seen them arriving in Mumbai from Katmandu. Her earlier tweet may have been about her layover in Doha airport on the way to Mumbai. That's my theory anyway and it makes more sense.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 14, 2011, 07:28:24 AM
(I wonder if peach has ever had to move anything TO live sightings :lol3:)

There's a first time for everything! :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 14, 2011, 07:29:49 AM
just found this tweet :

@MarieDeviNair  - Marie Nair
pretty sure I saw what looked like Amazing Race or those round the world challenge things just run past me.
10 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

She's from India and looks like she's on her travel schedule from her previous tweet, anyone wanted to inspect??

Good catch!

The tweet she sent 25 minutes before that one was

MarieDeviNair Marie Nair
Given the luxury of the Qatar coach cabins, I must say the Doha Terminal is... a disappointment
37 minutes ago


However she just now tweeted

@ArundhatiSV noo sweetie... not on my flight. they arrived from katmandu :) arrival gate bside mine!!!

I sure hope that's TAR returning from Katmandu.

Wow, that would be fantastic. But they're going the wrong way! Maybe we're seeing a return of the full circle! Either that or it's a big diversion for a connection.

Nepal makes perfect sense. If indeed it was the country that was scrapped at the last minute for TAR19, CBS wouldn't just let their money go to waste. It's surely guaranteed to be visited this season.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 14, 2011, 07:31:50 AM
The woman tweeting is apparently from Mumbai. She may have seen them arriving in Mumbai from Katmandu. Her earlier tweet may have been about her layover in Doha airport on the way to Mumbai. That's my theory anyway and it makes more sense.

I think its Doha. A flight landed from Kathmandu exactly five minutes before she Tweeted.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 14, 2011, 07:33:09 AM
Wow, that would be fantastic. But they're going the wrong way! Maybe we're seeing a return of the full circle! Either that or it's a big diversion for a connection.

Nepal makes perfect sense. If indeed it was the country that was scrapped at the last minute for TAR19, CBS wouldn't just let their money go to waste. It's surely guaranteed to be visited this season.

I think so too Dom. Maybe they will have a leg in Qatar then go to Africa and back to America.

I don't know about your theory Plaidmoon. The tweets were only twenty minutes apart and a flight just arrived from Kathmandu at Dopa an hour ago.

ETA: I don't see any flights from Kathmandu to Mumbai.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 14, 2011, 07:41:54 AM
Wow, that would be fantastic. But they're going the wrong way! Maybe we're seeing a return of the full circle! Either that or it's a big diversion for a connection.

Nepal makes perfect sense. If indeed it was the country that was scrapped at the last minute for TAR19, CBS wouldn't just let their money go to waste. It's surely guaranteed to be visited this season.

I think so too Dom. Maybe they will have a leg in Qatar then go to Africa and back to America.

I don't know about your theory Plaidmoon. The tweets were only twenty minutes apart and a flight just arrived from Kathmandu at Dopa an hour ago.

ETA: I don't see any flights from Kathmandu to Mumbai.

Well, if a flight just arrived in Doha from Katmandu, then that probably settles it. I was thinking she was tweeting about the Doha airport after she arrived in Mumbai, but if she was back home, why would she hang around the airport tweeting?

For what it's worth, I did see this tweet earlier:

maxakero Mfumo Bamuza
Is there amazing race here in South Africa?
4 hours ago


At the time I figured it was asking about TAR being on TV as he was tweeting every few minutes for hours and some of it seemed to be about what was on his TV, but maybe he went outside for a while and saw something being set up. Or Phil. The guy was in Diepkloof, near Johannesburg.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2011, 08:14:08 AM
(QR) Qatar Airways 353

(KTM) Kathmandu, NP to (DOH) Doha, QA
Status:
Landed - On-time
Last change to status 69 minutes ago DEPARTURE  ARRIVAL 
Scheduled Departure: Scheduled Arrival:
12:55 PM - Wed 14-Dec-2011  3:35 PM - Wed 14-Dec-2011 
Actual Departure:  Actual Arrival: 
12:49 PM - Wed 14-Dec-2011  3:48 PM - Wed 14-Dec-2011 
 
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2011, 08:15:03 AM
Dom...just to be clear.

Nepal was NOT the lost TAR 19 leg, it was LAOS.

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2011, 08:15:37 AM
Good job everyone, keep your eyes open!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 14, 2011, 08:17:22 AM
Dom...just to be clear.

Nepal was NOT the lost TAR 19 leg, it was LAOS.

Oh wow! I guess that makes a lot more sense logistically. Thanks for the info  :cmas16
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2011, 08:19:00 AM
Looks like PHIL FINALLY got his wish to go to Nepal!! :jumpy:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on December 14, 2011, 08:19:17 AM
I'm pretty much sure that everybody already expected Kathmandu.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2011, 08:43:21 AM
I'm pretty much sure that everybody already expected Kathmandu.

Big difference between HOPE>>EXPECT>> and ACTUAL!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 14, 2011, 08:51:13 AM
What we are seeing is the probability that AR20 is going on a course similar to AR7, turning back westward after not quite halfway after starting southward and then eastward. The only race other than AR7 to not attempt a circumnavigation was AR8 and that was due to planned attitude to take it easy on the children.

Why do I project a continuation of the westward move from Katmandu to Doha? Simple distance factors is the answer. From Doha to New York City is 6700 miles. From Doha to east Asia (I pick Hong Kong for a relatively shortest route to the west coast of the U.S. it is 4000, but from Hong Kong to LAX is another 7300 miles. That totals 11,300 miles, almost double what the westward route takes (note - my world distance calculator doesn't say, but I used the same one for all distances and I think it is in nautical miles).
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 14, 2011, 09:04:04 AM
I think it will be very interesting to see TAR20 not circumnavigate the globe. It hasn't been done for such a long time that it will be rather interesting to see something different after the last few seasons.

Furthermore, assuming both Nepal and Qatar are true, that brings us to 3 countries on TAR20 that have never hosted a leg before! :cmas16
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 14, 2011, 09:48:18 AM
Dom...just to be clear.

Nepal was NOT the lost TAR 19 leg, it was LAOS.

News to me! (and probably others) Any word why?

And Qatar? I think maybe the race went from somewhere to Nepal and now Mumbai.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: EagleSpirit0 on December 14, 2011, 10:21:43 AM
Hello Peach [et al],

I'm a huge fan of your community, and just wanted to contribute my two cents re:  the revelation that Laos was the country skipped over last time.  I have been doing PhD research/Fulbright Grant in Laos for about four months now (in Luang Phabang) and it is highly unlikely that they used the country this time around (although I hope to be corrected!).  If they came here, they most likely would go to Vientiane or Luang Phabang--I would have no way if they went to Vientiane.  However, this month in Laos is the tourist high season, and given the adversity (and lack of sightings/paucity of obvious locations to place clue boxes) of TAR to attract attention, it doesn't seem likely they were here.  Furthermore, this month in Luang Phabang was an international film festival and the Lao National Games are going on.  While this would make for an EXCELLENT clue/route info task, the city is literally flooded with people, infrastructure is totally clogged, and all around, the city is burgeoning to its breeches with outsiders.  I'm hoping I'm proven wrong (and I get to see the city I've lived on and off in for two years on TV!), but, it might have to wait to another cycle. :(
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2011, 10:29:43 AM
Dom...just to be clear.

Nepal was NOT the lost TAR 19 leg, it was LAOS.

News to me! (and probably others) Any word why?

And Qatar? I think maybe the race went from somewhere to Nepal and now Mumbai.

There is NO evidence that our twiiterer was on the way to Mumbai yet. It could be, as that is her home,  but she is also commenting on the Doha terminal, and the flights work.

And I can only say stuff so often? :lol:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25525.msg674870.html#msg674870
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2011, 10:39:30 AM
Hello Peach [et al],

I'm a huge fan of your community, and just wanted to contribute my two cents re:  the revelation that Laos was the country skipped over last time.  I have been doing PhD research/Fulbright Grant in Laos for about four months now (in Luang Phabang) and it is highly unlikely that they used the country this time around (although I hope to be corrected!).  If they came here, they most likely would go to Vientiane or Luang Phabang--I would have no way if they went to Vientiane.  However, this month in Laos is the tourist high season, and given the adversity (and lack of sightings/paucity of obvious locations to place clue boxes) of TAR to attract attention, it doesn't seem likely they were here.  Furthermore, this month in Luang Phabang was an international film festival and the Lao National Games are going on.  While this would make for an EXCELLENT clue/route info task, the city is literally flooded with people, infrastructure is totally clogged, and all around, the city is burgeoning to its breeches with outsiders.  I'm hoping I'm proven wrong (and I get to see the city I've lived on and off in for two years on TV!), but, it might have to wait to another cycle. :(

 :bigwelcome to RFF, EagleSpirit0!

We were hoping to see our missing 19 leg again, but then again I am still waiting for my lost Tanzanian season 11 leg. :lol:

Thank you so much for the good info! If this Nepal/Doha thing proves not to be anything, then we could still have a chance. If they are reversing as Apskip points out is possible (and looks reasonable to me), then it would have to have happened already, or not at all. No way to tell unless we get a sighting!

But please stay around, if and when they go again we would LOVE your expertise!!

I don't know if crowds are considered a plus or a minus at this point.

I never would have thought they would have done Christmas Markets, or other crowded places, but perhaps they think of it as camoflage?? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 14, 2011, 10:55:23 AM
so do you thik loas will be  vist again
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 14, 2011, 10:59:56 AM
Dom...just to be clear.

Nepal was NOT the lost TAR 19 leg, it was LAOS.

News to me! (and probably others) Any word why?

And Qatar? I think maybe the race went from somewhere to Nepal and now Mumbai.

There is NO evidence that our twiiterer was on the way to Mumbai yet. It could be, as that is her home,  but she is also commenting on the Doha terminal, and the flights work.

And I can only say stuff so often? :lol:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25525.msg674870.html#msg674870

I saw that, but you say possible here you said it was Laos.  :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2011, 11:08:32 AM
This is the only direct flight I see today and it is too late for our purposes. KTM to Mumbai:
KTM Kathmandu 9W 265  Jet Airways (India) 2:50 PM  2:46 PM  T-2  Landed On-time

BUt remember this is all based on ONE twitter. So we cannot yet rely on this completely.

I have no reason to doubt her...but generally it is nice to have  more than one sighting in order to confirm anything...or pics.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Mug Costanza on December 14, 2011, 11:37:32 AM
Thank you so much for the good info! If this Nepal/Doha thing proves not to be anything, then we could still have a chance. If they are reversing as Apskip points out is possible (and looks reasonable to me), then it would have to have happened already, or not at all. No way to tell unless we get a sighting!


This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. If they had their first few legs in South America, and then were sighted in Italy, and now possibly Nepal, why would it make sense for them to travel back to the US in a westward fashion? That wouldn't even make a circle... it'd be more like a giant X. Not saying it's impossible, but I don't know... doesn't really seem likely to me... :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 14, 2011, 12:56:02 PM
EagleSpirit0, I think what you might help explain is whether you are aware of anything that was taking place in Laos during the mid-June to early-July time frame that would have caused TPTB to change the legs planned in Laos? As to the current season being filmed, clue boxes can't always be counted on to be visible for bystanders to notice especially after the absence of the clue boxes for most of TAR 19.

As to the current direction of the season being filmed now, if they are using a TAR 7-like route, that increases the possibility of a finish city east of the Rockies, depending on where teams actually go to after they turn back towards a generally westward direction. I'd be surprised if they have gone to South Africa that it would be the last country before returning to the U.S. unless its headed to a city in the U.S. with direct connections to Johannesburg. And the last I saw a few years ago, that's only a handful.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2011, 08:30:41 PM
Thank you so much for the good info! If this Nepal/Doha thing proves not to be anything, then we could still have a chance. If they are reversing as Apskip points out is possible (and looks reasonable to me), then it would have to have happened already, or not at all. No way to tell unless we get a sighting!


This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. If they had their first few legs in South America, and then were sighted in Italy, and now possibly Nepal, why would it make sense for them to travel back to the US in a westward fashion? That wouldn't even make a circle... it'd be more like a giant X. Not saying it's impossible, but I don't know... doesn't really seem likely to me... :cmas5

We have two options if we believe Doha is a leg:

Either they reverse and head back towards ?? and an east coast finish, or they continue onwards to one more leg in SE Asia somewhere and head towards a West coast finish...we are running out of time.

I stil want Ilocos so will hold out  hope for that, but this is a coin toss.

My guess is Doha is Leg 10...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on December 14, 2011, 09:31:57 PM
Starting Saturday, I will be free from exams! If there are any reports of TAR going to Detroit or Chicago, give me a PM! (I can go to Ohio, too, but there isn't much there...).

My gut feeling is, though, that they are finishing in New York. They started there in TAR 1, so they should end there in TAR 20.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on December 14, 2011, 09:33:41 PM
Starting Saturday, I will be free from exams! If there are any reports of TAR going to Detroit or Chicago, give me a PM! (I can go to Ohio, too, but there isn't much there...).

There is nothing there.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on December 14, 2011, 09:36:02 PM
Starting Saturday, I will be free from exams! If there are any reports of TAR going to Detroit or Chicago, give me a PM! (I can go to Ohio, too, but there isn't much there...).

There is nothing there.

 :cmaslol Totally agree! Michiganders! :xmas110
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 14, 2011, 09:37:14 PM
if we end nc i could try see
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on December 15, 2011, 04:06:48 AM
ZOMG, it really sounds like Mongolia!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 15, 2011, 04:14:16 AM
Well the Tweeter said he saw Brenchel on his flight TO Beijing, so how did they know they were heading onwards to Mongolia? Would Brenchel really have told them the truth about their final destination?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 15, 2011, 04:16:24 AM
Well the Tweeter said he saw Brenchel on his flight TO Beijing, so how did they know they were heading onwards to Mongolia? Would Brenchel really have told them the truth about their final destination?


The Plane could transit in beijing in order to continue to mongolia, need help for the flight schedule.. :)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 15, 2011, 04:18:21 AM
Well the Tweeter said he saw Brenchel on his flight TO Beijing, so how did they know they were heading onwards to Mongolia? Would Brenchel really have told them the truth about their final destination?


The Plane could transit in beijing in order to continue to mongolia, need help for the flight schedule.. :)

I believe there's only three flights from Beijing to Ulanbataar (the only International airport in Mongolia) today:
1.10am, 10.50am, 11.55am, where the time right now is 6.18pm.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 15, 2011, 04:22:34 AM
We believe the Tweeter was on a flight from Qatar to Beijing. The only flight today was Qatar Airways 898 Dep:0205 Arr: 1440.

After 1440, there are no more flights to Mongolia, so I'm suspecting our Tweeter was misled.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 15, 2011, 04:22:57 AM
This is one of the most unusual routes I've ever seen:

Europe -> Nepal -> Qatar -> China/Mongolia

There seems to be a lot of backtracking. :cmas30:

I hope all of this is true, though! :cmas16
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 15, 2011, 04:25:03 AM
Well the Tweeter said he saw Brenchel on his flight TO Beijing, so how did they know they were heading onwards to Mongolia? Would Brenchel really have told them the truth about their final destination?


The Plane could transit in beijing in order to continue to mongolia, need help for the flight schedule.. :)

I believe there's only three flights from Beijing to Ulanbataar (the only International airport in Mongolia) today:
1.10am, 10.50am, 11.55am, where the time right now is 6.18pm.


and now... he mention Brendon!


pjmurcj Priscilla Jean Murcj
@RachelEReilly @brendonvbb12 All the best for your documentary in Mongolia Brenchel :) till we meet again
2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply


My spec' is that the time difference between those three flights could be perfect for teams to run and rush for a layover..but again the arrival time makes it effortless... :(

about the routes how about Europe-->Middle East-->East Asia...?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on December 15, 2011, 04:27:01 AM
I don't trust the Qatar info. It just doesn't sound feasible at all.  :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 15, 2011, 04:31:10 AM
I don't trust the Qatar info. It just doesn't sound feasible at all.  :cmas5

I didn't either, but one person claims to have seen them in the Qatar Airport, and now another person claims they were on the flight from Qatar to China.

It's possible it is a coincidence, or someone is planting a false lead, but the two stories seem to correspond well... :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 15, 2011, 04:32:40 AM
So confused by our two recent sightings..

We have a Tweeter that saw teams arriving from Kathmandu into Doha at around 3pm-ish on the 14th.

We have a Tweeter that was on a plane with teams from Doha to Beijing which departed at 2am on the 15th.

That's not even 12 hours! Not long enough for a leg, but a long long time to wait for a connection. But I would have thought there'd be much quicker connections than flying all the way back to Qatar and waiting for 12 hours..
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 15, 2011, 04:36:24 AM
So confused by our two recent sightings..

We have a Tweeter that saw teams arriving from Kathmandu into Doha at around 3pm-ish on the 14th.

We have a Tweeter that was on a plane with teams from Doha to Beijing which departed at 2am on the 15th.

That's not even 12 hours! Not long enough for a leg, but a long long time to wait for a connection. But I would have thought there'd be much quicker connections than flying all the way back to Qatar and waiting for 12 hours..


Actually Dom El, these kind of case ever happened in previous season where teams have to fly all the way up to France(europe) from Southern part of Africa just to go to Northern part of Africa... (forgot which season..)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on December 15, 2011, 04:41:40 AM
right now Mongolia seems the most feasible seeing as there was multiple tweeters, but still that's practically no information.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 15, 2011, 04:57:06 AM
This is going to be quite difficult to determine which ones are real, especially with ZouLy's great find about Durban, South Africa. :cmas16 :gj: :yourock:

I wonder if the South African Tweeter has any pictures? We know the one on the plane doesn't. :umn:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 15, 2011, 05:01:57 AM
This is going to be quite difficult to determine which ones are real, especially with ZouLy's great find about Durban, South Africa. :cmas16 :gj: :yourock:

I wonder if the South African Tweeter has any pictures? We know the one on the plane doesn't. :umn:

The South African one doesn't really sound like a sighting.. I think she's saying her friend's boyfriend saw 'foreigners running with back packs', whereas it sounds like the Beijing guy definitely saw and spoke to Brenchel.

But bear in mind, they might already be eliminated and are now flying back to the States for the season finale.. Beijing has connecting flights to quite a few US cities.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 15, 2011, 05:07:35 AM
This is going to be quite difficult to determine which ones are real, especially with ZouLy's great find about Durban, South Africa. :cmas16 :gj: :yourock:

I wonder if the South African Tweeter has any pictures? We know the one on the plane doesn't. :umn:

The South African one doesn't really sound like a sighting.. I think she's saying her friend's boyfriend saw 'foreigners running with back packs', whereas it sounds like the Beijing guy definitely saw and spoke to Brenchel.

But bear in mind, they might already be eliminated and are now flying back to the States for the season finale.. Beijing has connecting flights to quite a few US cities.

True, that could also be another alternative. Perhaps they were eliminated in Qatar and they are flying to the States via Beijing (completely speculation). That could also mean that the remaining teams aren't turning around again to go back to Asia. :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 15, 2011, 05:08:39 AM
But bear in mind, they might already be eliminated and are now flying back to the States for the season finale.. Beijing has connecting flights to quite a few US cities.


True :) , but what about his confession that Rachel talked to him her plan to go to Mongol :


2.
pjmurcj Priscilla Jean Murcj
@RachelEReilly All the best for your documentary in Mongolia Brenchel :) till we meet again
36 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

4.
pjmurcj Priscilla Jean Murcj
@unamedxx I didn't take any pictures as they requested not to. they were filming a travel documentary
14 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 15, 2011, 05:18:24 AM
True :) , but what about his confession that Rachel talked to him her plan to go to Mongol :

I'd be surprised if she was telling the truth! I think racers are instructed to try and throw people off the scent so there's less likely to be spoilers..

And also, I don't think there are any flights to Mongolia that leave after the only Doha flight landed at Beijing.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Lucybell on December 15, 2011, 07:15:15 AM
Well the Tweeter said he saw Brenchel on his flight TO Beijing, so how did they know they were heading onwards to Mongolia? Would Brenchel really have told them the truth about their final destination?

I think Rachel would have...  :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kathleenykl on December 15, 2011, 07:24:18 AM
It's one of the few semi-believable leads we have for this season, so I am definitely hoping for the best.

A leg in Beijing OR Mongolia would be the most probable as a final foreign leg too, given the proximity (flight-wise) to the US. If I remember correctly, Season 10 went to Mongolia, so it could be a good time to visit again. Also in that season teams took a train instead of flight from Beijing to Mongolia, so maybe we could check on train times too.
Is a Beijing leg possible?

The only other possibility is the team seen was eliminated, and on their way from Qatar back to the US. But wouldn't a westward flight be of shorter distance than an eastward via China?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 15, 2011, 08:13:59 AM
let al calm down is possiable be mongalia and south africa too mabye it goes up make turn around to africa
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on December 15, 2011, 08:38:46 AM
let al calm down is possiable be mongalia and south africa too mabye it goes up make turn around to africa

Yeah,but  Italy --> Doha --> Kathmandu ---> Delhi ---> Beijing ---> Mongolia  ---> Durban?

I don't see how...

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 15, 2011, 08:46:53 AM
let al calm down is possiable be mongalia and south africa too mabye it goes up make turn around to africa

Yeah,but  Italy --> Doha --> Kathmandu ---> Delhi ---> Beijing ---> Mongolia  ---> Durban?

I don't see how...

it could work think back season 7
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 15, 2011, 09:02:06 AM
:lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Zack. on December 15, 2011, 09:20:33 AM
You beat me to the punch, sir (http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=LAX+-+EZE+-+ASU+-+FRA+-+ROM+-+TRN+-+DOH+-+KTM+-+DEL+-+PEK+-+ULN+-+DUR).

I suspect Mongolia is the penultimate pit stop. We've shifted from 'hold the last two legs in the same metropolis' (Moscow, Beijing, Prague, Shanghai) to 'hold the penultimate leg in a random location and adjust the pit stops so that everyone is together' (Seoul, RDJ, Panama City).

And as far as connections go, they were flying to Mongolia - Ulanbator isn't a hub in any stretch so I'd imagine if they were there, it would be for racing purposes.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 15, 2011, 10:09:57 AM
let al calm down is possiable be mongalia and south africa too mabye it goes up make turn around to africa

Yeah,but  Italy --> Doha --> Kathmandu ---> Delhi ---> Beijing ---> Mongolia  ---> Durban?

I don't see how...
Let's get real here. The probability of that type of route structure is so close to 0 it is not worth considering. Going to Mongolia is very feasible, but once there teams would fly to the U.S., not backtrack to Durban.

it could work think back season 7
Let's get real here. The probability of that type of route structure is so close to 0 it is not worth considering. Going to Mongolia is very feasible, but once there teams would fly to the U.S., not backtrack to Durban.

For those who remember it, AR7 went east as far as Lucknow and Alleppey in India before turning back westward. Mongolia (let's say Ulaanbataar just for reference purposes) is another roughly 2500 miles. At that point a race is clearly continuing eastward across the Pacific Ocean.

If Durban was right and Beijing and Mongolia are not, then AR20 would be headed generally northwest to reach the U.S. more than 8000 miles away.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 15, 2011, 10:13:27 AM
think my head i think it feasible but mongllia mabye it connect flight
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 15, 2011, 10:29:58 AM
My gut instinct on the recent sightings in South Africa and on the flight to Mongolia is to believe the one in South Africa and to not believe Mongolia. The woman in South Africa has a fairly long history on Twitter (at least well before the start of TAR 20) and has some reasonable sounding details.

The woman who reportedly saw Rachel Reilly on the plane has done the vast bulk of her 131 tweets in the last 3 or 4 days. She seems obsessed with celebrity gossip. How likely would it be for someone from London to know all about Big Brother US to the point of knowing a competitor on a plane and the fan nickname "Brenchel"? She talks about being a college student in some earlier tweets, but one of her latest tweets talks about going to ShenYang to interview orphans.  If she's flying from Qatar to ShenYang, would she be going through Mongolia? Without knowing much about airline routing in that part of the world, it doesn't seem like a likely connection point. She also mentions the Qatari stewardesses wearing an "inconvenient facecloth thingum" Anyone know if that's true or just a fantasy?  Also, she writes like someone from the Survivor Sucks board. Frankly, this smells like a slightly more involved version of the false tweets we were getting early in the race.

The woman from South Africa writes quite a bit about celebrities too, but it seems more believable. I suppose both could be fakes though.

I kind of like the idea of sequester being in Mongolia.  :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 15, 2011, 10:39:38 AM
I agree, Plaidmoon, also because if they are taking a non-circumnavigating route, Africa would be logically next after Qatar if they are indeed going there after a possible Nepal visit.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 15, 2011, 11:07:45 AM
let al calm down is possiable be mongalia and south africa too mabye it goes up make turn around to africa

Yeah,but  Italy --> Doha --> Kathmandu ---> Delhi ---> Beijing ---> Mongolia  ---> Durban?

I don't see how...
Let's get real here. The probability of that type of route structure is so close to 0 it is not worth considering. Going to Mongolia is very feasible, but once there teams would fly to the U.S., not backtrack to Durban.

it could work think back season 7
Let's get real here. The probability of that type of route structure is so close to 0 it is not worth considering. Going to Mongolia is very feasible, but once there teams would fly to the U.S., not backtrack to Durban.

For those who remember it, AR7 went east as far as Lucknow and Alleppey in India before turning back westward. Mongolia (let's say Ulaanbataar just for reference purposes) is another roughly 2500 miles. At that point a race is clearly continuing eastward across the Pacific Ocean.

If Durban was right and Beijing and Mongolia are not, then AR20 would be headed generally northwest to reach the U.S. more than 8000 miles away.

Alleppey was season 4, Jodphur was season 7.

For those who this might be the sequester house there is two things going against that:

1) Usually the sequester house is in a warm climate (Ulanbataar is the coldest capital city in the world)
2) Its so late in the race teams eliminated would likely be either decoys or head to the final destination city directly.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 15, 2011, 11:23:24 AM
let al calm down is possiable be mongalia and south africa too mabye it goes up make turn around to africa

Yeah,but  Italy --> Doha --> Kathmandu ---> Delhi ---> Beijing ---> Mongolia  ---> Durban?

I don't see how...
Let's get real here. The probability of that type of route structure is so close to 0 it is not worth considering. Going to Mongolia is very feasible, but once there teams would fly to the U.S., not backtrack to Durban.

it could work think back season 7
Let's get real here. The probability of that type of route structure is so close to 0 it is not worth considering. Going to Mongolia is very feasible, but once there teams would fly to the U.S., not backtrack to Durban.

For those who remember it, AR7 went east as far as Lucknow and Alleppey in India before turning back westward. Mongolia (let's say Ulaanbataar just for reference purposes) is another roughly 2500 miles. At that point a race is clearly continuing eastward across the Pacific Ocean.

If Durban was right and Beijing and Mongolia are not, then AR20 would be headed generally northwest to reach the U.S. more than 8000 miles away.

Alleppey was season 4, Jodphur was season 7.

For those who this might be the sequester house there is two things going against that:

1) Usually the sequester house is in a warm climate (Ulanbataar is the coldest capital city in the world)
2) Its so late in the race teams eliminated would likely be either decoys or head to the final destination city directly.

I was kidding about the sequester site being in Mongolia. It makes no sense to send teams from Argentina to Ulanbataar. Generally, it's somewhere warm and central to the first part of the race. In this case, Central or South America seem likely.

I agree that any teams eliminated now would likely be headed for decoy duty.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2011, 12:50:26 PM
Hang on guys...there are a lot of assumptions being made here.

We have one tweeter who saw teams arr Doha from Katmandu. ONE tweet>>needs supporting documentation but reasonable.

One tweeter saying saw B/R....on flight to Beijing. Hmmm. This also needs supporting documention. Mongolia seems a red herring.

South Africa who knows? Can't be in So Africa/Beijing/Mongolia at same time, :lol: This could be local?

Remember that ALL tweets are viewed with suspicion until confirmed.... there are people trying to confuse/mislead us.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 15, 2011, 01:38:09 PM
The real trouble with Beijing is that there was not enough time from arrival in Qatar to have a leg there then leave for China. And there is absolutely no sense in using Doha as a connection to get from Katmandu to Beijing.

But this person claims to be a BB superfan and to have gotten their autographs so it's hard to discredit the sighting. Maybe Brenchel was being rerouted back to the States because they were eliminated in Nepal?

NVM that^ she claimed to be traveling from Doha to Beijing (which seems to confirm the other sighting there) and that there were "cameramen in black" with them. I don't know...

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 15, 2011, 02:19:34 PM
Didn't want to make you ocnfuse guys, but here's another tweet saying that the teams are now in DURBAN, South Africa!


@tamlyncanham Tamlyn Canham
OMG The Amazing Race was filming in the Durban CBD!! I so need to enter that show! Nolo's BF "I saw foreigners running with back packs" LOL
6 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply


How could this be?? @_@?? Asia or Africa??


Just Got her Replies here guys :

RT tamlyncanham: yes, they were looking 4 clues at the museum

and to one of our detective too:
RT @tamlyncanham @ovalorange1 they were looking 4 clues at the museum,
spotted running near the ICC. It's not an SA version, just 1 of the stops.


Really hoped for the pictures, she said she's gonna ask one of her friends who also spotted teams to send it to her..
fingers crossed if this is true Durban, SA..


Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 15, 2011, 02:40:37 PM
The real trouble with Beijing is that there was not enough time from arrival in Qatar to have a leg there then leave for China. And there is absolutely no sense in using Doha as a connection to get from Katmandu to Beijing.

But this person claims to be a BB superfan and to have gotten their autographs so it's hard to discredit the sighting. Maybe Brenchel was being rerouted back to the States because they were eliminated in Nepal?

NVM that^ she claimed to be traveling from Doha to Beijing (which seems to confirm the other sighting there) and that there were "cameramen in black" with them. I don't know...

Claiming that she got an autograph is just that, a claim, and not anything that adds more credibility to the witness. She also claimed that the Qatari stewardesses were wearing face coverings. I googled up pictures of Qatar Airline stewardesses and none of them were wearing face coverings. A few had scarves wrapped around their necks but none had their faces covered. I remain skeptical of this sighting.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 15, 2011, 02:54:27 PM
Maybe teams went from Europe to Nepal to Qatar and now South Africa. Probably leg 11 occurs in Latin America (like the last two editions have) and then final leg in the USA.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Mug Costanza on December 15, 2011, 03:15:16 PM
Maybe teams went from Europe to Nepal to Qatar and now South Africa. Probably leg 11 occurs in Latin America (like the last two editions have) and then final leg in the USA.

I don't really agree with that one... they did their first 2, maybe 3 legs in Latin America. I don't think they'd go back there again at the end of the race.

This one's a long shot, but if South Africa is true, what are the odds of them possibly going from South Africa to New Zealand? I honestly can't see them doing another "great circle" route like TAR7 when they're zig-zagging across the Equator like they've been doing. New Zealand seems like a logical choice. They haven't gone there since TAR13, and Phil has said the best thing the world can do for New Zealand after the Christchurch earthquake is to keep visiting and helping the tourism industry. I know that'd be a long plane from South Africa, but it's better than just making a figure-8 across Eurasia and calling it a race.  :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 15, 2011, 03:53:14 PM
I know we still speculating with the Durban Girl, but hey guys...

maybe we can consider this as a choice... What an HD looking City and Landscape...


Durban's Coastline


(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/Africa-DurbanBeech.jpg)


(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/durban-2.jpg)


1. Durban Museum(s): There are several, but one of them could be good for shooting, Natural Science Museum and Court House Museum


RT tamlyncanham: yes, they were looking 4 clues at the museum


(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/city_hallimg_0173.jpg)


(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/tumblr_l6ujpl8C1n1qzlcoro1_500.jpg)


(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/11203390000old-court-house-museum.jpg)


2. Durban's ICC (International Conference Centre) as what it said on the sighting:


RT @tamlyncanham @ovalorange1 they were looking 4 clues at the museum,
spotted running near the ICC. It's not an SA version, just 1 of the stops.


(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/030827-17-ICC_Durban.jpg)


(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/ICC-Durban.jpg)


(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/580_1815_19_2e0c9_working.jpg)


3. Another possible shooting location (HD Quality)


Durban South Beach Attractions

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/Durban-South-Africa-B.jpg)


(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/DurbanSouthBeachamusementslinkingtoDurbanPicturesSouthAfrica.jpg)


Possible Clue placement :

Dick King Statue

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/Dick-King-statue.jpg)


City in Distance between places :

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/DurbanAerialView.jpg)


How'd you think??
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 15, 2011, 04:00:50 PM
Other great view of the city

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/Durban.jpg)


Love to watch some water challenges here...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 15, 2011, 05:38:56 PM
...and it's officially announced the Premiere of TAR Season 20 will be aired on 19 February 2012... (InsdieTV, Dec.15 6.30PM)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 15, 2011, 07:07:34 PM
Good work Zouly! Did she happen to have any team descriptions?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dryedmangoez on December 15, 2011, 08:46:24 PM
Maybe teams went from Europe to Nepal to Qatar and now South Africa. Probably leg 11 occurs in Latin America (like the last two editions have) and then final leg in the USA.
OMG, is Nepal confirmed!? One of my Wish List destinations!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 15, 2011, 09:17:27 PM
Maybe teams went from Europe to Nepal to Qatar and now South Africa. Probably leg 11 occurs in Latin America (like the last two editions have) and then final leg in the USA.
OMG, is Nepal confirmed!? One of my Wish List destinations!

Nepal is not confirmed. We just have one person on Twitter who claimed she saw a team or teams arriving in Qatar on a flight from Kathmandu.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 15, 2011, 09:27:37 PM
Maybe teams went from Europe to Nepal to Qatar and now South Africa. Probably leg 11 occurs in Latin America (like the last two editions have) and then final leg in the USA.
OMG, is Nepal confirmed!? One of my Wish List destinations!

IMO, Roughly speaking, if they did not to choose to circumnavigate the globe, and going back westward instead, I'm thinking after South Africa, they'll headed to northern part of the continent (Ghana, Ivory Coast, Marocco, somewhere there..) or make a trip all the way up to UK.London, or Dublin, Ireland..

If they did northern africa, the closest gateway to be the finisih line is either Florida, or somewhere in the southeastern coast of USA, and if they plan to go to London/Ireland they'd probably ended up in Vermont or even New York, somewhere northeastern coast...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2011, 09:35:57 PM
Maybe teams went from Europe to Nepal to Qatar and now South Africa. Probably leg 11 occurs in Latin America (like the last two editions have) and then final leg in the USA.
OMG, is Nepal confirmed!? One of my Wish List destinations!

IMO, Roughly speaking, if they did not to choose to circumnavigate the globe, and going back westward instead, I'm thinking after South Africa, they'll headed to northern part of the continent (Ghana, Ivory Coast, Marocco, somewhere there..) or make a trip all the way up to UK.London, or Dublin, Ireland..

If they did northern africa, the closest gateway to be the finisih line is either Florida, or somewhere in the southeastern coast of USA, and if they plan to go to London/Ireland they'd probably ended up in Vermont or even New York, somewhere northeastern coast...

We don't have time ZouLY. The race should end in the next 2-3 days.

I don't think that one tweet is enough evidence for SA...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: nyluvs on December 15, 2011, 10:37:52 PM
I am thoroughly confused lol  :cmas30: Looking forward to hopefully getting more clarification in the days ahead...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: topaz on December 15, 2011, 10:52:06 PM
so, here's the summary of the race for TAR 20:

Leg 1: Los Angeles --> Buenos Aires, Argentina
Leg 2: Argentina/Brazil
Leg 3: Argentina/Brazil --> Paraguay
Leg 4: Paraguay --> Turin, Italy
Leg 5: Turin, Italy --> Durban, South Africa
Leg 6: Durban, South Africa --> Doha, Qatar
Leg 7: Doha, Qatar --> Nepal
Leg 8: Nepal --> Mongolia

Speculations:

Leg 9 & 10 (double leg): Mongolia --> Philippines [just a spec due to a rumor that there'll race to the province of Ilocos Norte]
Leg 11: Philippines --> unknown
Leg 12: unknown --> Los Angeles/San Francisco/San Diego/Seatle
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on December 15, 2011, 10:53:45 PM
I am pretty sure that if Durban is a leg, it would come AFTER Nepal and Doha.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 15, 2011, 11:00:35 PM
so, here's the summary of the race for TAR 20:

Leg 1: Los Angeles --> Buenos Aires, Argentina
Leg 2: Argentina/Brazil
Leg 3: Argentina/Brazil --> Paraguay
Leg 4: Paraguay --> Turin, Italy
Leg 5: Turin, Italy --> Durban, South Africa
Leg 6: Durban, South Africa --> Doha, Qatar
Leg 7: Doha, Qatar --> Nepal
Leg 8: Nepal --> Mongolia

Speculations:

Leg 9 & 10 (double leg): Mongolia --> Philippines [just a spec due to a rumor that there'll race to the province of Ilocos Norte]
Leg 11: Philippines --> unknown
Leg 12: unknown --> Los Angeles/San Francisco/San Diego/Seatle

The race is likely in leg 10 as the earliest. Race is expected to end soon and this weekend seems like a perfect time to do so.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2011, 11:34:54 PM
so, here's the summary of the race for TAR 20:

Leg 1: Los Angeles --> Buenos Aires, Argentina
Leg 2: Argentina/Brazil
Leg 3: Argentina/Brazil --> Paraguay
Leg 4: Paraguay --> Turin, Italy
Leg 5: Turin, Italy --> Durban, South Africa
Leg 6: Durban, South Africa --> Doha, Qatar
Leg 7: Doha, Qatar --> Nepal
Leg 8: Nepal --> Mongolia

Speculations:

Leg 9 & 10 (double leg): Mongolia --> Philippines [just a spec due to a rumor that there'll race to the province of Ilocos Norte]
Leg 11: Philippines --> unknown
Leg 12: unknown --> Los Angeles/San Francisco/San Diego/Seatle

Actually:

so, here's the summary of the race for TAR 20:
Leg 1: Los Angeles TO vs VIA Buenos Aires, Argentina (probable leg but possible transit only)
Leg 2: Argentina/Brazil
Leg 3: Argentina/Brazil -->

Leg ??: Paraguay --> Turin, Italy
Leg 5: Turin, Italy --> Durban, South Africa
Leg 6: Durban, South Africa --> Doha, Qatar
Leg 7: Doha, Qatar --> Nepal
Leg 8: Nepal --> Mongolia



Please stop stating race route SUMMARIES  that are in NO way confirmed. Thanks.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 16, 2011, 01:15:47 AM
so, here's the summary of the race for TAR 20:

Leg 1: Los Angeles --> Buenos Aires, Argentina
Leg 2: Argentina/Brazil
Leg 3: Argentina/Brazil --> Paraguay
Leg 4: Paraguay --> Turin, Italy
Leg 5: Turin, Italy --> Durban, South Africa
Leg 6: Durban, South Africa --> Doha, Qatar
Leg 7: Doha, Qatar --> Nepal
Leg 8: Nepal --> Mongolia

Speculations:

Leg 9 & 10 (double leg): Mongolia --> Philippines [just a spec due to a rumor that there'll race to the province of Ilocos Norte]
Leg 11: Philippines --> unknown
Leg 12: unknown --> Los Angeles/San Francisco/San Diego/Seatle

I'm not sure we can be certain of any leg where we haven't had photographs of people known to be associated with TAR, i.e., the photos of Phil and BVM, and possibly the one photo we think are Brendon and Rachel. Beyond that, I don't think we can say much is confirmed and the rest is speculation. We cant assume that tweets that may seem consistent are valid unless we just happen to know the person. If some of these tweeters provide actual images  we folk can look at that willl be great and will help establish what's valid.
(Yes we believe we know teams flew to Buenos Aries after Miami, but we still don't know if that was yet another intermediate point to another location or not. The reality is that 20 is turning out to be one of the least spoiled Races as to locations we've had in a while, not to mention the teams. Ought to make February 19th really interesting.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 16, 2011, 02:54:35 AM
Can someone analyze the article below,??

http://m.kaizerchiefs.com/?name=kaizerchiefs&artId=1159601&i=4690&showonly=1


Look at the last line stating that the Amazing Race confirmed to be cancelled in regard of its visit to Durban

My analyze so far that maybe..maybe.. it's cancelled because they need to finish the race this weekend and there's not enough time to go to South Africa and went somewhere else.... Other than that, maybe it's just a local race..  :cmas11
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2011, 08:43:30 AM
Can someone analyze the article below,??

http://m.kaizerchiefs.com/?name=kaizerchiefs&artId=1159601&i=4690&showonly=1


Look at the last line stating that the Amazing Race confirmed to be cancelled in regard of its visit to Durban

My analyze so far that maybe..maybe.. it's cancelled because they need to finish the race this weekend and there's not enough time to go to South Africa and went somewhere else.... Other than that, maybe it's just a local race..  :cmas11

No sweetie. It is definitely was a LOCAL race. Nothing to do with us.
http://m.kaizerchiefs.com/?name=kaizerchiefs&artId=1137481&i=4690&showonly=1

TAR legs are carefully planned out months in advance with regard to time.. Only major weather or political events would cancel one.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 16, 2011, 08:58:57 AM
The ABSA Premier Soccer League of South Africa is the one referenced in the article. That makes it appear that the cancellation of an Amazing Race event in Durban South Africa was only a local one. I agree with Peach.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2011, 09:15:48 AM
 
I am thoroughly confused lol  :cmas30: Looking forward to hopefully getting more clarification in the days ahead...

Me too!! :lol:

Let's see if this helps:

LAX :yes:
Buenas Aries :yes: almost certainly> although some possibility remains that this could be transit. 
Paraguay :yes:
Turin :yes:
Nepal --possible, reasonable,  but not confirmed
Doha --possible, reasonable,  but not confirmed
Durban-- NO
Mongolia- :lol:

Please refer to our TIMELINE here:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26521.0.html

Any location that is believed to be CONFIRMED will be there. If it isn't there, it is not confirmed by us.


Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazinglatinoamericafan on December 16, 2011, 01:53:44 PM
i would like to see the finish line in new york  :cmas16 :cmas16
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2011, 02:19:21 PM
Me too... anniversary special. :(
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 16, 2011, 02:20:42 PM
Me too... anniversary special. :(

Anything is possible after last season's final city.  :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 16, 2011, 02:38:09 PM
At the moment, BVM now has three U.S. Olympic cities left that the show has not yet visited (Squaw Valley, Lake Placid, and St. Louis)
They haven't had a midwest finish other than Chicago (TAR 6), and it's way overdue. The west coast has been overused for final cities, except perhaps for San Diego and with Atlanta, I doubt another inland city in the south is on the immediate agenda.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 16, 2011, 02:47:23 PM
I'm not sure I should post this tweet because it's not really a sighting and it's probably referring to the new Norwegian edition of The Amazing Race. However, there is a small tiny chance it could be about a leg somewhere in Scandinavia so I'll post it just in case.

stopannieify Annie
Just found out that two guys from my internship is work with Amazing Race! I'm so jealous! That sounds so cool! :D<3
8 hours ago


This woman apparently is from Stockholm, Sweden.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 16, 2011, 03:05:40 PM
At the moment, BVM now has three U.S. Olympic cities left that the show has not yet visited (Squaw Valley, Lake Placid, and St. Louis)
They haven't had a midwest finish other than Chicago (TAR 6), and it's way overdue. The west coast has been overused for final cities, except perhaps for San Diego and with Atlanta, I doubt another inland city in the south is on the immediate agenda.

I'd be surprised if they go to one of those Olympic cities as they are all rather far in the past. There isn't a whole lot to do in either Squaw Valley or Lake Placid except winter sports and I'm not sure what remains in use from those games. Also, when planning for the race, you can't be sure there will be enough snow and cold weather in mid December to ski, bobsled, etc.

As for St. Louis, that was over 100 years ago in the early stages of the Olympic revival and was pretty much international in name only. Over 80% of the athletes and 80% of the medal winners were from the USA. Also, I doubt any buildings or sites remain from the 1904 Olympic Games.

Despite all the speculation, I still think they will circle the globe and end up somewhere on the West Coast. Hopefully, not in Los Angeles.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 16, 2011, 05:23:29 PM
At the moment, BVM now has three U.S. Olympic cities left that the show has not yet visited (Squaw Valley, Lake Placid, and St. Louis)
They haven't had a midwest finish other than Chicago (TAR 6), and it's way overdue. The west coast has been overused for final cities, except perhaps for San Diego and with Atlanta, I doubt another inland city in the south is on the immediate agenda.

I'd be surprised if they go to one of those Olympic cities as they are all rather far in the past. There isn't a whole lot to do in either Squaw Valley or Lake Placid except winter sports and I'm not sure what remains in use from those games. Also, when planning for the race, you can't be sure there will be enough snow and cold weather in mid December to ski, bobsled, etc.

As for St. Louis, that was over 100 years ago in the early stages of the Olympic revival and was pretty much international in name only. Over 80% of the athletes and 80% of the medal winners were from the USA. Also, I doubt any buildings or sites remain from the 1904 Olympic Games.

Despite all the speculation, I still think they will circle the globe and end up somewhere on the West Coast. Hopefully, not in Los Angeles.


Sqauw Valley has almost everything still in operation (except that luge-bobsled were not in those games in 1960. Lake Placid literally has everything still in use from 1980, and the only facility not being used for sport is the Olympic Village from 1980 which was designed for conversion to a state prison facility. Everything else is still use either under the USOC (as an Olympic Training Center) or a state park (the ski areas). As to St. Louis (some of the 1904 events were moved to Chicago as part of the World's Fair that year), there's a bunch of other things such as the Ansheiser-Bush, Purina, the Great Arch and this associated with the Mississippi River dame network and the city being the start point for migration to the west during the 19th Century.  There's also a major airport hub in St. Louis as well (American, I believe has used it as a hub). (And I've been to Lake Placid a couple of times in the winter so I'm speaking from first hand knowledge.)

If the Race has to finish on the west coast, I do hope its as far away from Southern California as they can get; I'm getting tired, actually, of having all but one Race since season 13 start in southern California and I've reached the point where I'd give up a complete circumnavigation just to have the Race end in another region of the U.S. As I said before, anywhere in the central U.S. is overdue (other than Chicago and Dallas; and depending on how you define it, Denver as well.)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DavidJunior on December 17, 2011, 01:25:33 AM
I'm thinking New Orleans could be possible from either direction?  :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 17, 2011, 02:52:30 AM
I'm not sure if anyone ever spotted this tweet, but I posted here for your information...

@mohsinafzal Mohsin
watching the amazing race contestants in #sanfrancisco - heading to COIT tower.....makes me miss the bay - we shall meet again soon!
9 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

ACTUALLY, the previous tweet about 10hours ago is the same with this one... So..  :cmas30:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on December 17, 2011, 02:53:27 AM
I'm not sure if anyone ever spotted this tweet, but I posted here for your information...

@mohsinafzal Mohsin
watching the amazing race contestants in #sanfrancisco - heading to COIT tower.....makes me miss the bay - we shall meet again soon!
9 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

ACTUALLY, the previous tweet about 10hours ago is the same with this one... So..  :cmas30:

TAR 16 finale. ;)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 17, 2011, 03:07:24 AM
Regarding end cities, I'm pretty sure they will be avoiding Atlanta at all costs in future! :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on December 17, 2011, 06:34:43 AM
OMG. This season has been so few-spoiled...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Oddarane on December 17, 2011, 07:25:57 AM
I'm not sure I should post this tweet because it's not really a sighting and it's probably referring to the new Norwegian edition of The Amazing Race. However, there is a small tiny chance it could be about a leg somewhere in Scandinavia so I'll post it just in case.

stopannieify Annie
Just found out that two guys from my internship is work with Amazing Race! I'm so jealous! That sounds so cool! :D<3
8 hours ago


This woman apparently is from Stockholm, Sweden.

Could be, but filming of TAR Norway starts in January.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Oddarane on December 17, 2011, 07:27:43 AM
Are they finished filming?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: QueenofRussia on December 17, 2011, 06:05:53 PM
OMG. This season has been so few-spoiled...
agreed  :cmas16
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 18, 2011, 02:00:26 AM
Guys, I found this tweet...

Let's investigate whether they're TAR or not..


JohnGuilaran Johnrev Guilaran
Now at the airport. A number of people running. It's like a scene from Amazing Race.
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply


He apparently in 'Ninoy-Aquino International Airport, The Philippines'

and according to his tweet the city he was in is CDO (Cagayan De Oro, The Philippines)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y56/alienscream/travels/CDO-Camiguin/CDO_headers.jpg)


However, there's storm occuring in that area and recent floods... Need more research,  :cmas25

Quote
JohnGuilaran Johnrev Guilaran
I'm at NAIA 3 in Metro Manila. and sorry, no cameraman. Hehe.
7 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

-----> He just replied, there's no cameraman there which means negative :(
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 18, 2011, 02:12:51 AM
There are people running in every airport in the world right now...but def keep looking!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARdevotee on December 18, 2011, 02:27:21 AM
OMG. This season has been so few-spoiled...

Spoilers are always fun, but I have to say, it's kind of fun not knowing too much! Nothing wrong with a few surprises!  :cmas9
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Cocoa on December 18, 2011, 03:41:36 AM
I'm not hearing a single news that they visited here in the country as of the moment. With all of us rabid and avid Pinoy fans? :lol: I'd like to speculate that the race didn't visit us. :neener:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Lucybell on December 18, 2011, 08:35:06 AM
OMG. This season has been so few-spoiled...

Spoilers are always fun, but I have to say, it's kind of fun not knowing too much! Nothing wrong with a few surprises!  :cmas9

But see, that's the name of this particular group of pages... Spoilers and Speculations.  If people don't want to be spoiled, they are in the wrong place  :cmas22

I much prefer to be spoiled... I love to be spoiled because it adds to my enjoyment of the show. Just Sayin'  :cmas20
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 18, 2011, 08:43:25 AM
I'm not hearing a single news that they visited here in the country as of the moment. With all of us rabid and avid Pinoy fans? :lol: I'd like to speculate that the race didn't visit us. :neener:

Agreed. I think the Ilocos thing could well have been this:

Traverse Ilocos Sur Adventure Challenge
http://aichannel.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/ilocos-sur-now-offers-adventure-zone/
 
A large group of TV hosts, models, and others went to Ilocos on Friday for "something" to be shown later on TV.
 
Here are a few  of the departure tweets:
 
 kikorustia kiko rustia
@ @rizzaru Goin to ilocos for an adventure race :p ba back zandey!
12 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply     jefgaitan Jef Gaitan
Good morning wonderful people! I'm bound for Ilocos today for an adventure. Woohoo! Will be tweeting about it later.
18 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply    reemachanco Reema Chanco
Who's going to Ilocos this weekend for the adventure race? :) Taas ang kamay!   @reemachanco
Reema Chanco @maugnificent it will be aired on channel v. i'll keep you posted :) 
 
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Mandoli on December 18, 2011, 02:18:45 PM
Just a question, because I haven't exactly been watching the spoilers a lot this year... Are they doing a west coast finish for season 20?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 18, 2011, 02:57:10 PM
Just a question, because I haven't exactly been watching the spoilers a lot this year... Are they doing a west coast finish for season 20?


At the moment, no one knows.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARdevotee on December 19, 2011, 02:23:53 AM
OMG. This season has been so few-spoiled...

Spoilers are always fun, but I have to say, it's kind of fun not knowing too much! Nothing wrong with a few surprises!  :cmas9

But see, that's the name of this particular group of pages... Spoilers and Speculations.  If people don't want to be spoiled, they are in the wrong place  :cmas22

I much prefer to be spoiled... I love to be spoiled because it adds to my enjoyment of the show. Just Sayin'  :cmas20

Uh YES, I'm aware of the name of this page. Didn't say I didn't like or didn't want to know spoilers. In fact, I check this place everyday hoping for a little something. Just saying the lack of spoilers is making things just as fun as having them! (For me anyway)  :cmas16
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 19, 2011, 08:13:14 AM
Quote
kstengline Kenneth Stengline
People from the amazing race just ran infront of me sweeeet
3 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply


Profile says Bangkok....

it might be local race peach
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 19, 2011, 08:23:40 AM
Might...or might not. Our job is to look at it all.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 19, 2011, 08:33:59 AM
Might...or might not. Our job is to look at it all.

sorry about that again peach thailand was vist season19 least it was connect to loas
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selkie on December 19, 2011, 10:05:26 AM
One thing to keep in mind is that past Racers have indicated that they're sometimes or often limited in the airlines they're actually allowed to book tickets on. Sometimes, it's probably to create a bunching point in their next destination; other times I suspect the insurance company has a blacklist of airlines they're not allowed to use because of safety & maitenance concerns.

Given that, I wouldn't be surprised to see some weird connections to get into or out of a place like Nepal, since the Star Alliance- oneworld level of flight quality in the region is probably somewhat limited.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 19, 2011, 03:32:26 PM
hawaiii again something werid it going on
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on December 19, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
If Hawaii pans out the inbound flights this morning were only from either Sydney, Seoul,  or Tokyo.

My vote goes to Sydney  :cmas16
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Lexie on December 19, 2011, 03:56:35 PM
Is it possible that the teams spotted in Hawaii were TAR-Aus? 
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 19, 2011, 03:57:34 PM
Is it possible that the teams spotted in Hawaii were TAR-Aus?

yeah seam like that but hoever they alright finshed
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 19, 2011, 04:13:37 PM
Is it possible that the teams spotted in Hawaii were TAR-Aus?

No.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 19, 2011, 04:36:03 PM
(http://distilleryimage1.instagram.com/350e60e82a8e11e19e4a12313813ffc0_7.jpg)

It looks like those ropes may be tied to the ground and it is a steep angle zipline. Probably the typical thriller roadblock from the Finale.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Flamant on December 19, 2011, 04:41:31 PM
This is epic.
Wonder if they need to go up or down. Me think they need to go up. Boy that will be hard. :cmas18
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 19, 2011, 04:43:46 PM
The spotter tweeted that they were descending. I think going up that would be too hard.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on December 19, 2011, 04:43:50 PM
This is epic.
Wonder if they need to go up or down. Me think they need to go up. Boy that will be hard. :cmas18

Maybe they need to go up, get the clue, and come back down. :cmaslol

So sad they aren't coming to the Midwest... :cmas7 (Though I knew it would be unlikely...)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 19, 2011, 04:57:22 PM
mabye this is not final city
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazing race fan on December 19, 2011, 04:57:38 PM
does anyone think that we could see a two city finale?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Flamant on December 19, 2011, 05:04:49 PM
does anyone think that we could see a two city finale?

Me. After all the boring finales we had, it wouldnt surprise me.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on December 19, 2011, 05:13:07 PM
Quote
They were rappelling and then going back up.

This was tweeted by a distant observer.  I think what is going is there is a counter weight that goes up and down the side of the building while the racers climb or descend along the diagonal rope.

(http://distilleryimage1.instagram.com/350e60e82a8e11e19e4a12313813ffc0_7.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 19, 2011, 05:13:58 PM
Hawaii has been the finish line only once (TAR14), previously when Hawaii was visited it was the second last city to be visited.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 19, 2011, 05:39:19 PM
Speaking about Bridlewood Winery for starting line, can we assume that somewhat related to the first destination (just like previous season Hsi Lai Temple-->Taiwan).. Maybe some Haciendas or other wineries in South America regions??

That's an interesting one. Argentina is famed for its wine, and it is produced mainly in the West so this is definitely a possibility.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on December 19, 2011, 05:47:24 PM
If Hawaii pans out the inbound flights this morning were only from either Sydney, Seoul,  or Tokyo.

My vote goes to Sydney  :cmas16

Same here, Sydney would be a connection point from another places to my speculation like Vanuatu.  Tokyo is my second choice given.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 19, 2011, 05:53:25 PM
There are no TAR flags to indicate that is our race. It could be anything.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 19, 2011, 06:12:10 PM
Here's a tweet from someone I believe has some connections in the Big Brother world and/or Brenchel. She posted about Brenchel being on TAR 20 a week or so before the race started. Whether she would know anything about TAR 20 is questionable, but the timing is interesting.

MissCleoBB14 Miss Cleo
RUN TO THE FINISH LINE, RACHEL!!! HURRY, HURRY, HURRY!!!! PHIL IS WAITING! #TeamBrenchel #AmazingRace
1 minute ago
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 19, 2011, 06:15:00 PM
does anyone think that we could see a two city finale?

Me. After all the boring finales we had, it wouldnt surprise me.


Here's some flight info to some US Cities in West Coast and other in the next 24hrs... "only if" Hawaii did not tend to be the finale city.... (gathered from Honolulu Int'l Ariport)

<<edited to be deleted>>

It is Hawaii...

Here's a tweet from someone I believe has some connections in the Big Brother world and/or Brenchel. She posted about Brenchel being on TAR 20 a week or so before the race started. Whether she would know anything about TAR 20 is questionable, but the timing is interesting.

MissCleoBB14 Miss Cleo
RUN TO THE FINISH LINE, RACHEL!!! HURRY, HURRY, HURRY!!!! PHIL IS WAITING! #TeamBrenchel #AmazingRace
1 minute ago

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 19, 2011, 06:23:23 PM
Here's a tweet from someone I believe has some connections in the Big Brother world and/or Brenchel. She posted about Brenchel being on TAR 20 a week or so before the race started. Whether she would know anything about TAR 20 is questionable, but the timing is interesting.

MissCleoBB14 Miss Cleo
RUN TO THE FINISH LINE, RACHEL!!! HURRY, HURRY, HURRY!!!! PHIL IS WAITING! #TeamBrenchel #AmazingRace
1 minute ago



Looks like winning folks??

MissCleoBB14 Miss Cleo
Rachel Reilly. ALL. SEASON. LONG. Yes, it's true. AIN'T NOBODY GONNA GET BETWEEN ME AND MY FINISH LINE! #AmazingRace #TeamBrenchel
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kungfuwomn on December 19, 2011, 06:50:33 PM
Dont think Miss Cleo knows anything 4 sure dont think shes in hawaii i just think shes projecting what us brenchel fans want to see happen & as soon as i heard ropes,repelling and hawaii i thought brenchel has this brendon just went rope repelling a few months ago and i think Rachel joined him so i bet they were practicing for the race!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 19, 2011, 06:54:38 PM
Dont think Miss Cleo knows anything 4 sure dont think shes in hawaii i just think shes projecting what us brenchel fans want to see happen & as soon as i heard ropes,repelling and hawaii i thought brenchel has this brendon just went rope repelling a few months ago and i think Rachel joined him so i bet they were practicing for the race!!

Miss Cleo might not be in Hawaii... but for the Waterfront building rappelling we're backed by some others tweeters and it's in 2-3 hours timeframe ago... :)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: disneycrazey on December 19, 2011, 06:55:56 PM
Does anyone have any ideas where they may visit on Honolulu or where the Finish Line may be? I know Iolani Palace is closed every Monday, and it is a beautiful building! It's just not private enough for the finish line IMO, thoughts?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 19, 2011, 07:01:02 PM
:bigwelcome to RFF, lexie and disneycrazey!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 19, 2011, 07:05:33 PM
Does anyone have any ideas where they may visit on Honolulu or where the Finish Line may be? I know Iolani Palace is closed every Monday, and it is a beautiful building! It's just not private enough for the finish line IMO, thoughts?

I kinda have some research too about the finish location right now.... there are so many beautiful golf course with pretty tight security (if you wanna call it).. some good and historical universities... also some craters can look suspicious as they surrounded by hills, such as Koko Crater Botanical Gardens...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: disneycrazey on December 19, 2011, 07:07:12 PM
Thanks Prophet!

I've been looking around a bit too, trying to see if anyone lists the location as closed on their website but have found nothing unusual.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 19, 2011, 07:09:27 PM
Thanks Prophet!

I've been looking around a bit too, trying to see if anyone lists the location as closed on their website but have found nothing unusual.

You have good ideas. Keep looking. I've been meaning to do some looking around, but it's been too crazy for me the last couple of hours.

Welcome to RFF!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Cocoa on December 19, 2011, 07:25:05 PM
Is there a way we can ask those people who took pictures if Brenchel did it "quickly, in race mode"?

And has there been an instance where a decoyed team was seen doing an actual task like this?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 19, 2011, 07:31:39 PM
Is there a way we can ask those people who took pictures if Brenchel did it "quickly, in race mode"?

And has there been an instance where a decoyed team was seen doing an actual task like this?

I remember from Season 15 there was a team caught in video racing in the final city when they were eliminated.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 19, 2011, 07:33:45 PM
Louie and Micheal did a dry run of carrying the trunk in the TAR16 finale.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Cocoa on December 19, 2011, 07:33:58 PM
actual task, leafsfan. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 19, 2011, 07:36:18 PM
Most decoys are allowed to try out the final tasks, yes.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 19, 2011, 07:38:04 PM
One other possible source for tasks in honolulu - in three words: "Hawaii Five - Oh." (Not to mention they have their own film crew living there and the show is also filmed in HD along with access to permitting etc.

And since its a CBS show. It's not out of the line of plausibility.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 19, 2011, 07:40:06 PM
I checked out Aloha Stadium and they are having a swap meet today (actually every day from Dec. 17th through Christmas Eve), so it's not likely they will be using the stadium as a location. The swap meet does close about 30 minutes from now, but setting anything up in advance there would probably be awkward.

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 19, 2011, 07:50:26 PM


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EPISODE 1

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MEGA TRIBAL COUNCIL-2

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Rules: Copy and Paste everything below starting from this line. Your vote will be counted as invalid if you did not do so.

Add a vote to a CASTAWAY you wish to eliminate from the game. You may DISTRIBUTE 3 (THREE) VOTES to at least two castaways "in their respective season", so you have total 18 votes to be distributed among 12 castaways in 6 seasons. Every FIVE HOURS or after every FIVE PEOPLE have voted, whichever comes first.

Once a castaway reaches TEN VOTES, that castaway is ELIMINATED alias going back for good. 12 castaways will be voted out from tonight's tribal council.

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Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 19, 2011, 09:28:37 PM
The hypothesis that there could be a relationship between Bridalwood Wineries and Argentinian wine sounds more than plausible to me. I was shocked to discover that Argentina is the 5th largest wine producing country in the world, quite a bit larger than Chile. The primary wine regions of Argentina are Mendoza, San Juan and Catamarca/Jujuy/Salta. Where did we hear rumors of an Amazing Race visit early in AR20? SALTA!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 19, 2011, 09:36:25 PM
actual task, leafsfan. :lol:

That was season 16 didn't remember that I was talking about Season 15 (pink haired don't remember the name).
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on December 20, 2011, 04:11:11 AM
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Profile says Bangkok....

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@ @peachrff the 4 of them were moving quickly and wearing black amazing race shirts.
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@ @peachrff forgot to mention Bangkok, Thailand.
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@ @peachrff couldn't get a pic either as it was rush hour and too many people and they were moving too fast.
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@ @peachrff It was at the Asoke BTS station. I was using the exit for the MRT and they ran by me. No camera crew though. There were 4 people.

Safe to say not us....

What could that be? Local race for sure!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on December 20, 2011, 10:51:57 AM
how sure we are that's our race? it could be TARaus, a local race or even TARasia (anything is possible in TAR)....we need the confirmation that those ppl rapealing are our teams before we put it on the timeline....... :cmas30:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Cheesefeet on December 20, 2011, 11:01:37 AM
I think Brendon and Rachel are pretty good confirmation that it isn't TAR Aus. It should be pretty good evidence that our race went to Hawaii
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 20, 2011, 11:15:24 AM
how sure we are that's our race? it could be TARaus, a local race or even TARasia (anything is possible in TAR)....we need the confirmation that those ppl rapealing are our teams before we put it on the timeline....... :cmas30:

Real good shots that all but confirm Brendon and Rachel are in those photos.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 20, 2011, 12:14:15 PM
Of course it is us. TARaus finished a week ago, there is no TARAsia, and we have a confirmed team. Don't think we could ask for more!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 20, 2011, 12:46:24 PM
Of course it is us. TARaus finished a week ago, there is no TARAsia, and we have a confirmed team. Don't think we could ask for more!

I agree with Peach 100%.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on December 20, 2011, 02:22:24 PM
Oh....my bad.!! i miss the part that you guys "identified" a team.....!!!  :cmas7
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 20, 2011, 03:38:37 PM
(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb365/walkingpneumonia/11-32-59Rachel.jpg)

There are a couple of interesting things in this photo of Rachel at the top of the tower - Brendon is already on his way down - I cropped him out.
There is only 1 set of ropes for descending, but 3 sets for ascending.

It took them over an hour to ascend and get ready to descend. The longshot photo was taken at 10:32. This photo was taken at 11:38.

There is an extra detached leg hanging over the edge of the building. I don't think its a racer because they don't have the knee guards on - but what is it doing there?

Rachel has balls. I could not look over the edge of a building like that without losing my breakfast.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Polaroid on December 20, 2011, 03:57:15 PM
There was another team that was photographed doing the task. But something else I found interesting...

Thanks to John Garcia of HI GreenHouse for sharing these!!
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2020/Honolulu/0200bb4a.jpg)

Look at the two sets of ropes on the very left of the picture... Why are they basically going straight down? Did Brenchel already finish the task? After all, it does look like Brenchel used the ropes on the very left...

Looking at the picture again, it looks like there are three sets of ropes on the left? :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 20, 2011, 04:05:40 PM
these might be set up
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: htmom on December 20, 2011, 05:58:59 PM
I have a question, why do Brendon and Rachel have on ivory colored pennies on in some of the pictures? Not sure if it is called a penny or not.  Also, in the picture that appears Brendon is going down the building is a navy/blue.  Sorry if this has been mention!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on December 20, 2011, 06:00:33 PM
 :bigwelcome to RFF htmom !!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Polaroid on December 20, 2011, 06:03:09 PM
I have a question, why do Brendon and Rachel have on ivory colored pennies on in some of the pictures? Not sure if it is called a penny or not.  Also, in the picture that appears Brendon is going down the building is a navy/blue.  Sorry if this has been mention!!

:bigwelcome htmom. It appears that Brendon and Rachel are only wearing the pinnies when they're descending.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 20, 2011, 06:17:58 PM
I'm preety confident as long as they got the camera device attached on their helmet or the camera attached on their back..(typical shoot for rappelling/splunging down)  :cmas16
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 20, 2011, 06:37:20 PM
I noticed those white foam things too. It looks like they only wear those on the descend. It's probably to keep the ropes from rubbing on them.

So who is this guy who hung around with a high quality camera and lens for an hour and only took four pictures? And only shots of Brenchel. They sort of seem like an intentional leak. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: michael on December 20, 2011, 06:56:57 PM
It was probably just a coincidence that they were the only team spotted 
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 20, 2011, 07:02:46 PM
I noticed those white foam things too. It looks like they only wear those on the descend. It's probably to keep the ropes from rubbing on them.

So who is this guy who hung around with a high quality camera and lens for an hour and only took four pictures? And only shots of Brenchel. They sort of seem like an intentional leak. :lol:

I was kind of thinking the same thing. His camera and lens must be absolutely top notch. He was taking the pictures from quite a distance away and yet when we blow up small sections of the image to focus in on the people, there's still a ton of sharp detail. I'm not usually in to conspiracy type theories, but it does seem interesting that the one team he caught is the one that would send out ripples of publicity for TAR in the social media world.

Looking at his photostream, he clearly lives in Hawaii (lots of pictures there over a long period of time), so he's not a plant. He does travel quite a bit. He's a talented photographer. I wonder if TAR hires photographers to take publicity pictures on some legs.

Update:

After looking at bspencer413's pictures more, I realize he was at roughly the same elevation as the teams ascending/descending. That can only mean that he was in the other Waterfront Tower and therefore, not all that far away from the teams - 100 yards or less. The pictures still seem usually sharp to this non photographer's eyes. I'm not sure what is in the towers, whether it's offices or apartments, but I imagine that he could work or live in the other tower.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Polaroid on December 20, 2011, 07:38:55 PM
It was probably just a coincidence that they were the only team spotted

I think another team was spotted. I zoomed in on this picture taken by John Garcia. I don't think it's Brenchel based on the clothes.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 20, 2011, 08:30:03 PM
It was probably just a coincidence that they were the only team spotted

I think another team was spotted. I zoomed in on this picture taken by John Garcia. I don't think it's Brenchel based on the clothes.

The team here doesn't look like either of the two teams in the bspencer413 pictures, so we may have all 3 teams now. Or 2 teams and a rigging crew. Or 3 decoy teams.   :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Polaroid on December 20, 2011, 08:50:20 PM
It was probably just a coincidence that they were the only team spotted

I think another team was spotted. I zoomed in on this picture taken by John Garcia. I don't think it's Brenchel based on the clothes.

The team here doesn't look like either of the two teams in the bspencer413 pictures, so we may have all 3 teams now. Or 2 teams and a rigging crew. Or 3 decoy teams.   :cmas5

I only saw Brenchel in his photos. :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 20, 2011, 09:01:08 PM
It was probably just a coincidence that they were the only team spotted

I think another team was spotted. I zoomed in on this picture taken by John Garcia. I don't think it's Brenchel based on the clothes.

The team here doesn't look like either of the two teams in the bspencer413 pictures, so we may have all 3 teams now. Or 2 teams and a rigging crew. Or 3 decoy teams.   :cmas5

I only saw Brenchel in his photos. :cmas5

One of his photos shows a woman on the top of the building about to start rappelling while the guy is a few stories down. Both of them are in white tops while the other pictures show Brenchel in blue/gray and green tops, so I was figuring it was two teams. Now I'm thinking the white tops are harnesses worn while rappelling. I'm not sure at this point if it's one team or two.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Polaroid on December 20, 2011, 09:15:41 PM
It was probably just a coincidence that they were the only team spotted

I think another team was spotted. I zoomed in on this picture taken by John Garcia. I don't think it's Brenchel based on the clothes.

The team here doesn't look like either of the two teams in the bspencer413 pictures, so we may have all 3 teams now. Or 2 teams and a rigging crew. Or 3 decoy teams.   :cmas5

I only saw Brenchel in his photos. :cmas5

One of his photos shows a woman on the top of the building about to start rappelling while the guy is a few stories down. Both of them are in white tops while the other pictures show Brenchel in blue/gray and green tops, so I was figuring it was two teams. Now I'm thinking the white tops are harnesses worn while rappelling. I'm not sure at this point if it's one team or two.

Pretty sure it's Brenchel. You can see the lettering for Brendon's UCLA shirt in this closeup.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 20, 2011, 09:21:43 PM
One of his photos shows a woman on the top of the building about to start rappelling while the guy is a few stories down. Both of them are in white tops while the other pictures show Brenchel in blue/gray and green tops, so I was figuring it was two teams. Now I'm thinking the white tops are harnesses worn while rappelling. I'm not sure at this point if it's one team or two.

There are full size images on the Flickr account. I zoomed in and its definitely the same team. She's wearing a white foam thing that she's not wearing in another shot, but she has the same green shorts.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 20, 2011, 09:28:08 PM
the photos from Japan are wonderful especially since they show Phil; that's always a way to confirm things isn't it?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 20, 2011, 09:29:20 PM
the photos from Japan are wonderful especially since they show Phil; that's always a way to confirm things isn't it?

Yes it does!

So we have Paraguay, Italy and Japan confirmed along with a the likely Honolulu finish line.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on December 20, 2011, 09:30:57 PM
the photos from Japan are wonderful especially since they show Phil; that's always a way to confirm things isn't it?

Yes it does!

So we have Paraguay, Italy and Japan confirmed along with a the likely Honolulu finish line.

Wasn't there also a pic of Phil in Buenos Aires?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 20, 2011, 09:33:08 PM
the photos from Japan are wonderful especially since they show Phil; that's always a way to confirm things isn't it?

Yes it does!

So we have Paraguay, Italy and Japan confirmed along with a the likely Honolulu finish line.

That was just of him so it could have been from anywhere (such as season 5).
Wasn't there also a pic of Phil in Buenos Aires?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 20, 2011, 10:05:37 PM
So teams were definitely seen in Osaka on what seems like the 19th.

But it seems like teams were also seen on the morning of the 19th in Hawaii! Or was this the 20th?

It is possible for them both to be the 19th as they'll cross the Date Line, but it would require a very short rest period. Could someone confirm whether the Hawaii sightings were the 19th or the 20th?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: lovetherace on December 20, 2011, 10:10:32 PM
I noticed those white foam things too. It looks like they only wear those on the descend. It's probably to keep the ropes from rubbing on them.

So who is this guy who hung around with a high quality camera and lens for an hour and only took four pictures? And only shots of Brenchel. They sort of seem like an intentional leak. :lol:

I was kind of thinking the same thing. His camera and lens must be absolutely top notch. He was taking the pictures from quite a distance away and yet when we blow up small sections of the image to focus in on the people, there's still a ton of sharp detail. I'm not usually in to conspiracy type theories, but it does seem interesting that the one team he caught is the one that would send out ripples of publicity for TAR in the social media world.

Looking at his photostream, he clearly lives in Hawaii (lots of pictures there over a long period of time), so he's not a plant. He does travel quite a bit. He's a talented photographer. I wonder if TAR hires photographers to take publicity pictures on some legs.

Update:

After looking at bspencer413's pictures more, I realize he was at roughly the same elevation as the teams ascending/descending. That can only mean that he was in the other Waterfront Tower and therefore, not all that far away from the teams - 100 yards or less. The pictures still seem usually sharp to this non photographer's eyes. I'm not sure what is in the towers, whether it's offices or apartments, but I imagine that he could work or live in the other tower.

I noticed the same thing about the quality of the photographs and was curious what he might be using (I know a bit about photography), so looked around a bit...clearly his photostream shows he is an excellent photographer, though at least up until a few years ago he didn't describe himself as a pro in his profile, and the cameras listed seem to reflect this. However, found this link to a recent picture of the takeoff in Hawaii of a famous plane -

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1038&message=39852994

That is a pro level camera body, and one serious major long range lens (and I'm sure he's got more than one).  In the first TAR picture on his photostream, comparing the angle of the buildings and the landscape on Google Maps (note the background), I also think the pictures were likely taken from the other tower.  With this equipment, getting a sharp closeup of teams from that distance wouldn't be a problem.

Of course, that doesn't explain how he happened to be taking pictures of the TAR teams...however, Google also shows cruise ships dock very near where the towers are, and he has a number of shots of ships and the harbor in his other photos, so maybe he does live/work in the building. 

I also think the pictures we've seen show at least two teams... 
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Polaroid on December 20, 2011, 10:12:19 PM
So teams were definitely seen in Osaka on what seems like the 19th.

But it seems like teams were also seen on the morning of the 19th in Hawaii! Or was this the 20th?

It is possible for them both to be the 19th as they'll cross the Date Line, but it would require a very short rest period. Could someone confirm whether the Hawaii sightings were the 19th or the 20th?

The time zone difference is 19 hours (or around 19 hours). Hawaii sightings were on the 19th.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 20, 2011, 10:12:39 PM
So teams were definitely seen in Osaka on what seems like the 19th.

But it seems like teams were also seen on the morning of the 19th in Hawaii! Or was this the 20th?

It is possible for them both to be the 19th as they'll cross the Date Line, but it would require a very short rest period. Could someone confirm whether the Hawaii sightings were the 19th or the 20th?

Mid afternoon on the 19th
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 20, 2011, 10:22:45 PM
So teams were definitely seen in Osaka on what seems like the 19th.

But it seems like teams were also seen on the morning of the 19th in Hawaii! Or was this the 20th?

It is possible for them both to be the 19th as they'll cross the Date Line, but it would require a very short rest period. Could someone confirm whether the Hawaii sightings were the 19th or the 20th?

Mid afternoon on the 19th

Actually thry could have been in both cities on the 19th......because teams would have crossed the International Date Line along the 180th degree  meridian heading from Japan to Hawaii.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on December 20, 2011, 10:29:15 PM
So teams were definitely seen in Osaka on what seems like the 19th.

But it seems like teams were also seen on the morning of the 19th in Hawaii! Or was this the 20th?

It is possible for them both to be the 19th as they'll cross the Date Line, but it would require a very short rest period. Could someone confirm whether the Hawaii sightings were the 19th or the 20th?

Mid afternoon on the 19th

Actually thry could have been in both cities on the 19th......because teams would have crossed the International Date Line along the 180th degree  meridian heading from Japan to Hawaii.

That's what I said   :cmas22

They would have been on a direct flight from Osaka to Honolulu leaving late evening. So this must have been a very short rest period, less even than 12 hours.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 20, 2011, 10:46:43 PM
I noticed those white foam things too. It looks like they only wear those on the descend. It's probably to keep the ropes from rubbing on them.

So who is this guy who hung around with a high quality camera and lens for an hour and only took four pictures? And only shots of Brenchel. They sort of seem like an intentional leak. :lol:

I was kind of thinking the same thing. His camera and lens must be absolutely top notch. He was taking the pictures from quite a distance away and yet when we blow up small sections of the image to focus in on the people, there's still a ton of sharp detail. I'm not usually in to conspiracy type theories, but it does seem interesting that the one team he caught is the one that would send out ripples of publicity for TAR in the social media world.

Looking at his photostream, he clearly lives in Hawaii (lots of pictures there over a long period of time), so he's not a plant. He does travel quite a bit. He's a talented photographer. I wonder if TAR hires photographers to take publicity pictures on some legs.

Update:

After looking at bspencer413's pictures more, I realize he was at roughly the same elevation as the teams ascending/descending. That can only mean that he was in the other Waterfront Tower and therefore, not all that far away from the teams - 100 yards or less. The pictures still seem usually sharp to this non photographer's eyes. I'm not sure what is in the towers, whether it's offices or apartments, but I imagine that he could work or live in the other tower.

I noticed the same thing about the quality of the photographs and was curious what he might be using (I know a bit about photography), so looked around a bit...clearly his photostream shows he is an excellent photographer, though at least up until a few years ago he didn't describe himself as a pro in his profile, and the cameras listed seem to reflect this. However, found this link to a recent picture of the takeoff in Hawaii of a famous plane -

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1038&message=39852994

That is a pro level camera body, and one serious major long range lens (and I'm sure he's got more than one).  In the first TAR picture on his photostream, comparing the angle of the buildings and the landscape on Google Maps (note the background), I also think the pictures were likely taken from the other tower.  With this equipment, getting a sharp closeup of teams from that distance wouldn't be a problem.

Of course, that doesn't explain how he happened to be taking pictures of the TAR teams...however, Google also shows cruise ships dock very near where the towers are, and he has a number of shots of ships and the harbor in his other photos, so maybe he does live/work in the building. 

I also think the pictures we've seen show at least two teams...

Since I posted the above, I saw a reference to the towers having condominiums. I guess he managed to get into the building somehow and get some pictures of the action. That's lucky for us!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: lovetherace on December 20, 2011, 10:53:48 PM
Yes, and if he has a place on that side of the building, he faces Hickam AFB (and Honolulu Airport) across the channel, which is how he was able to see the plane so well from his balcony (I assume it landed and took off from Hickam). So it fits for both situations.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Cocoa on December 21, 2011, 01:41:45 AM
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EVERYONE Please note!!

BLOGS are different from Tweets. Tweets are meant to go out to the world, they are not private.

Blogs are an author's property. They BELONG to someone.

They should be considered as copyrighted material.

RFF tries to be very responsible in crediting owners and their work.

We make EVERY effort to contact the owner of the blog and ask for permission to use their story and their pictures before using them. Most blog owners are very generous with sharing. BUT we always ask first.

Sometimes there is no way to contact a blogger, in that case we credit them, and LINK to their work.

SO please, check in with me before doing anything except linking to a blog? I can tell you where we stand with contacting the authors, or if it is new to us.

We all get excited with a new find, but ask okay? Thanks!!
 
Oval actually found the Osaka blog ...and we have been waiting (sorta) patiently to hear from them! SO hope they don't mind us Jumping the gun!

I have some just few comments about Peach's post in the live board.

Actually, it is already given that anything posted on the Internet is (whether you like it or not) , except places that have passwords given to a few select audience (e.g. Facebook posts, unless the posts themselves where made public). Whatever posted online that is accessible to ALL persons is considered PUBLIC (whatever means to search it or to obtain it).

Twitter is also a form of blogging (in fact, Twitter is a micro-blogging website, a mini version of what bloggers do). Along with blog posts, tweets have owners too... so if blogs should be granted permission first, tweets must too, right? :lol:

Simply said, I do not get the difference between the two except their platforms and their mediums. :lol: That blog post about the Japanese sighting is actually, like most blogs, public, because we were able to see it. Even though it is kinda a personal blog, it is still public, and we can't be sued for "stealing" info. :lol: Its just one of the two: (1) A credit is considered enough for blogs, just like tweets. OR (2) just like blogs, tweets should be asked prior permission too.

But I am NOT saying we should share facts from blogs without prior permission. :lol: What Peach meant was basically this:

Do NOT share blog finds without OUR permission from them. You can share tweets though without restrictions, just give credit. :tup:

ETA: We should really never try to forget to ask permission first and then give credit. A blogger might not realize his/her posts are public, and so we need to ask permission so that he can be aware of this. :tup:

Sorry for being so technical.  :cmas19 :cmaslol (I don't know where to post this post, too! :lol:)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 21, 2011, 08:48:22 AM
So teams were definitely seen in Osaka on what seems like the 19th.

But it seems like teams were also seen on the morning of the 19th in Hawaii! Or was this the 20th?

It is possible for them both to be the 19th as they'll cross the Date Line, but it would require a very short rest period. Could someone confirm whether the Hawaii sightings were the 19th or the 20th?

Dom El,

Just look at the flight information in the AR20 Transport thread. Flights leaving Japan on the evening of Dec. 19 arrive in the morning of Dec. 19 due to the west to east crossing of the International Date Line, as you and theSchnauzers have indicated. The question is precisely when the pit stop started. It would have to be on Dec. 18 or be a record short one if it started on Dec. 19. Amazing Races have never had a TBC leg as the penultimate one, so Dec. 19 pit stop origination is most unlikely.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Lexie on December 21, 2011, 09:19:36 AM
My head is spinning from trying to figure out departure and arrival times to Honolulu from Osaka and Narita.  That being said, do we think Brenchel was in the F3 or were they decoys?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 21, 2011, 09:38:37 AM
Quote
EVERYONE Please note!!

BLOGS are different from Tweets. Tweets are meant to go out to the world, they are not private.

Blogs are an author's property. They BELONG to someone.

They should be considered as copyrighted material.

RFF tries to be very responsible in crediting owners and their work.

We make EVERY effort to contact the owner of the blog and ask for permission to use their story and their pictures before using them. Most blog owners are very generous with sharing. BUT we always ask first.

Sometimes there is no way to contact a blogger, in that case we credit them, and LINK to their work.

SO please, check in with me before doing anything except linking to a blog? I can tell you where we stand with contacting the authors, or if it is new to us.

We all get excited with a new find, but ask okay? Thanks!!
 
Oval actually found the Osaka blog ...and we have been waiting (sorta) patiently to hear from them! SO hope they don't mind us Jumping the gun!

I have some just few comments about Peach's post in the live board.

Actually, it is already given that anything posted on the Internet is (whether you like it or not) , except places that have passwords given to a few select audience (e.g. Facebook posts, unless the posts themselves where made public). Whatever posted online that is accessible to ALL persons is considered PUBLIC (whatever means to search it or to obtain it).

Twitter is also a form of blogging (in fact, Twitter is a micro-blogging website, a mini version of what bloggers do). Along with blog posts, tweets have owners too... so if blogs should be granted permission first, tweets must too, right? :lol:

Simply said, I do not get the difference between the two except their platforms and their mediums. :lol: That blog post about the Japanese sighting is actually, like most blogs, public, because we were able to see it. Even though it is kinda a personal blog, it is still public, and we can't be sued for "stealing" info. :lol: Its just one of the two: (1) A credit is considered enough for blogs, just like tweets. OR (2) just like blogs, tweets should be asked prior permission too.

But I am NOT saying we should share facts from blogs without prior permission. :lol: What Peach meant was basically this:

Do NOT share blog finds without OUR permission from them. You can share tweets though without restrictions, just give credit. :tup:

ETA: We should really never try to forget to ask permission first and then give credit. A blogger might not realize his/her posts are public, and so we need to ask permission so that he can be aware of this. :tup:

Sorry for being so technical.  :cmas19 :cmaslol (I don't know where to post this post, too! :lol:)

Sorry, while I appreciate the input, I stand by what I said.

For now, please use EXACTLY what I said. Thanks. What peach MEANT was what she said. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 21, 2011, 09:42:43 AM
I agree with Cocoa Twitter is the same thing as a blog, both can be set to private if the creator wants. Also the Internet is basically free domain. What's the difference in taking those rights reserved pictures from Flickr?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 21, 2011, 09:44:36 AM
I agree with Cocoa Twitter is the same thing as a blog, both can be set to private if the creator wants. Also the Internet is basically free domain. What's the difference in taking those rights reserved pictures from Flickr?

This is not the place for this discussion. Thanks.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 21, 2011, 10:35:44 AM
So, bottom line, is Osaka legitimate for TAR 20 or not?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 21, 2011, 10:37:41 AM
So, bottom line, is Osaka legitimate for TAR 20 or not?

Most likely legitimate.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 21, 2011, 10:52:49 AM
Phil and two greeters are in the pictures. I don't think Phil has time to go to fake countries and do a fake Pitstop. He is always rushing to stay on schedule from what I have seen.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 21, 2011, 11:17:14 AM
Why would anyone think it isn't ??
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 21, 2011, 11:21:48 AM
Peach, the discussion above and in the love dightings thread about the one blog and the reference to TAR 12 got a bit confusing. I wanted to be sure of what the bottom line was.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 21, 2011, 11:25:06 AM
We have a PHOTO! :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on December 21, 2011, 12:22:24 PM
My take on the Osaka to Honolulu timings is that the Team checked in at about 7:20 pm local time in Osaka on December 18th local date in Osaka. 

I speculate that Teams had a regular 12 hour-like Pit Stop and were released on December 19th with enough time and instructions to take the Bullet Train to Tokyo where they catch the very first flight to Honolulu.  That would be Delta DL 638 leaving at 7:00 pm December 19th and arriving at 6:45 am on December 19th.

If they have one of those stretched out Pit Stops then I'll fall back to my speculation that they fly out of Osaka one of these three flights:

DL 278 KIX HNL taking off at 8:50 pm arriving 9:30 am
HA 450 KIX HNL taking off at 9:16 pm arriving 9:35 am
JL 78    KIX HNL taking off at 9:25 pm arriving 9:50 am
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on December 21, 2011, 12:33:01 PM
i really don't like repeating routes...and this one is WAY too TAR 12ish.! italy, japan (specifically osaka again) and the finish line in a non-continental city of the USA.....and the whole "brenchel" thing is driving me nuts...they're not that great to pay so much attention to them.!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 21, 2011, 01:21:54 PM
i really don't like repeating routes...and this one is WAY too TAR 12ish.! italy, japan (specifically osaka again) and the finish line in a non-continental city of the USA.....and the whole "brenchel" thing is driving me nuts...they're not that great to pay so much attention to them.!!

Hawaii finish was season 14. Only two countries repeating doesn't qualify I think as a repeat route. Mixed with Paraguay and possibly Qatar/Nepal we have new countries in there too. Plus Turin is a whole new region of Italy they haven't visited.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 21, 2011, 09:43:47 PM
The route seems very good for me, I just hope they squeezed in a visit to Africa somewhere (although it seems unlikely but possible). And TAR12 was my favourite route ever, lol! :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on December 22, 2011, 09:04:01 AM
TAR12 was my favourite route ever, lol! :cmaslol

I prefer seasons 5, 10 or 11's routes...!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on December 22, 2011, 10:06:06 AM
TAR12 was my favourite route ever, lol! :cmaslol

I prefer seasons 5, 10 or 11's routes...!

The three best routes in my opinion as well! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Flamant on December 22, 2011, 10:15:08 AM
TAR12 was my favourite route ever, lol! :cmaslol

I prefer seasons 5, 10 or 11's routes...!

The three best routes in my opinion as well! :lol:

I would add season 6 :cmas22 (Iceland, Senegal, Budapest, Corsica, Ethiopia, Sri Lanka, mount Hua <333)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Cocoa on December 22, 2011, 05:08:13 PM
Let's move on to TAR 20, guys... :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 22, 2011, 11:08:40 PM
i think the race is done phil is in new zealand :cmas18
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: colav10 on December 23, 2011, 12:49:30 AM
Thanks to my friend in Baidu Forum,got some photos of teams checking in Italy!
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/weihen/italy1_.jpg)
checking time:10 PM
probably last team checking in,after this team arrive ,crew left.

Anyone else notice that the traditional Pit Stop sign is missing! There's Phil, the Pit Stop Mat, and a greeter but no sign! Is this possibly a TBC?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazinglatinoamericafan on December 23, 2011, 01:35:54 AM
Thanks to my friend in Baidu Forum,got some photos of teams checking in Italy!
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/weihen/italy1_.jpg)
checking time:10 PM
probably last team checking in,after this team arrive ,crew left.

Anyone else notice that the traditional Pit Stop sign is missing! There's Phil, the Pit Stop Mat, and a greeter but no sign! Is this possibly a TBC?








that not true because in tar 19 episode 10 when bill and cathy were eliminated there wasnt sign of the country !!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theamazingracer21 on December 23, 2011, 04:55:24 AM
i think tar 18 and 19 have sean the phasing out of the pit stop sign
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 23, 2011, 10:50:58 AM
None of the photos at pit stops during the filming had any pit stop location signage, so it looks as if that signage has been permanently retired.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 24, 2011, 01:46:38 AM
None of the photos at pit stops during the filming had any pit stop location signage, so it looks as if that signage has been permanently retired.

Just as the clue boxes... we might have some new features/twists along next season...or completely disappear  :cmas27
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Ney on December 24, 2011, 11:32:43 PM
Generally speaking if the teams were in Japan for Leg 11, they must of speant several legs in other nearby asian countries, which is why people haven't heard or seen anything as of yet. If teams wern't in China, they likely went to somewhere like Cambodia, Laos? Indonesia? Singapore? Taiwan? The general direction of this race seems to be in a right ----> direction accross the map, especially since they were spotted in Hawaii. Somewhere like South Korea wouldn't surprise me either as a leg destination.

By the way, no evidence to back this up, but I think leg 10 was probably a Japan leg too, especially as the place is expensive to film in, they'd likely want to get as much out of being in Japan as possible.

I think probably

Leg 10 - Unknown Asian country to Japan
Leg 11 - Japan
Leg 12 - Japan - > Hawaii - > United States(mainland)

In my opinion.

This race didn't finish in Hawaii did it?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 25, 2011, 02:03:54 AM
We believe the most likely scenario is that the race would have ended in Hawaii...but no firm proof...yet.


:welcome: to RFF!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 27, 2011, 04:31:08 AM
None of the photos at pit stops during the filming had any pit stop location signage, so it looks as if that signage has been permanently retired.

Just as the clue boxes... we might have some new features/twists along next season...or completely disappear  :cmas27

I hope the signs aren't gone... it seems that they are taking away every little detail that I loved about TAR... :cmas4
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Katarzyna on December 29, 2011, 11:47:28 AM
Generally speaking if the teams were in Japan for Leg 11, they must of speant several legs in other nearby asian countries, which is why people haven't heard or seen anything as of yet. If teams wern't in China, they likely went to somewhere like Cambodia, Laos? Indonesia? Singapore? Taiwan? The general direction of this race seems to be in a right ----> direction accross the map, especially since they were spotted in Hawaii. Somewhere like South Korea wouldn't surprise me either as a leg destination.

By the way, no evidence to back this up, but I think leg 10 was probably a Japan leg too, especially as the place is expensive to film in, they'd likely want to get as much out of being in Japan as possible.

I think probably

Leg 10 - Unknown Asian country to Japan
Leg 11 - Japan
Leg 12 - Japan - > Hawaii - > United States(mainland)

In my opinion.

This race didn't finish in Hawaii did it?

Probly they were still in Japan prior to Osaka. Maybe in Sendai. I figure TAR could be doing like charity to the Japan earthquake.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on December 29, 2011, 01:55:31 PM
can't wait for 19th February..!!  :cmas16 :cmas20 :cmas26 :kisses :xmas146 :cmas9  :cmas27 :cmas14
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Cheesefeet on December 29, 2011, 04:16:31 PM
This is really off topic but the last couple hours I have been looking back at the season 19 live sightings and contestant speculation it is fun to see some of the pictures we got and compare it to the race we got to watch on TV.  The Amazing Race is the best show on TV.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on December 31, 2011, 08:03:26 PM
This person has a longer history on twitter, so it passes the initial test.

KristenRoaming Kristen
Amazing Race is in Salta!! So cool!
7 minutes ago

Salta is in Northern Argentina in the foothills of the Andes and is Argentina's 8th largest city with about 475,000 people. This one intrigues me. According to her blog, Kristen is on a two month trip (so far) across South America.

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JPClement78 Jean-Pierre Clement
Durant mon trajet, à Salta plus précisément, j'ai rencontré les caméras de l'émission américaine The Amazing Race.
13 minutes ago

Which Google translates to:

During my trip to Salta specifically, I met the cameras of the American show The Amazing Race.

He also sent this:

JPClement78 Jean-Pierre Clement
Je suis un fan de cet émission, quel coincidence de les rencontrer durant mon voyahe... Parlant de The Amazing Race, je dois regarder...

translation:

I'm a fan of this show, what a coincidence to meet them during my voyahe ... Speaking of The Amazing Race, I have

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Speaking about Bridlewood Winery for starting line, can we assume that somewhat related to the first destination (just like previous season Hsi Lai Temple-->Taiwan).. Maybe some Haciendas or other wineries in South America regions??

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Speaking about Bridlewood Winery for starting line, can we assume that somewhat related to the first destination (just like previous season Hsi Lai Temple-->Taiwan).. Maybe some Haciendas or other wineries in South America regions??

That's an interesting one. Argentina is famed for its wine, and it is produced mainly in the West so this is definitely a possibility.

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The hypothesis that there could be a relationship between Bridalwood Wineries and Argentinian wine sounds more than plausible to me. I was shocked to discover that Argentina is the 5th largest wine producing country in the world, quite a bit larger than Chile. The primary wine regions of Argentina are Mendoza, San Juan and Catamarca/Jujuy/Salta. Where did we hear rumors of an Amazing Race visit early in AR20? SALTA!

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Dom el, time to update the timeline.  my sources tell me that "unknown, argentina" is salta, argentina.
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JUST 1 More evidence to make it Legit 100% : PICTUREEESSS!!!   :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on January 01, 2012, 04:16:16 AM

JPClement78 Jean-Pierre Clement
Durant mon trajet, à Salta plus précisément, j'ai rencontré les caméras de l'émission américaine The Amazing Race.
13 minutes ago

Which Google translates to:

During my trip to Salta specifically, I met the cameras of the American show The Amazing Race.

He also sent this:

JPClement78 Jean-Pierre Clement
Je suis un fan de cet émission, quel coincidence de les rencontrer durant mon voyahe... Parlant de The Amazing Race, je dois regarder...

translation:

I'm a fan of this show, what a coincidence to meet them during my voyahe ... Speaking of The Amazing Race, I have


I don't put much faith in this report. Early in the race we were getting some suspicious tweets that seemed to be written to fool us. This looks like one of them to me. It came in a few hours after the one from KristenRoaming (which I think is probably a real sighting, though as far I know she has never responded to requests for more information). JPClement78 made 7 or 8 tweets on November 30th and has never made another tweet either before or after that date. That seems strange to me.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on January 01, 2012, 07:03:38 PM
Quote
Quote from: eddieshi1 on December 30, 2011, 11:51:40 PM
Dom el, time to update the timeline.  my sources tell me that "unknown, argentina" is salta, argentina.
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I'm kinda curious about "my source" that eddieshi1 said on above post...

Besides, I looked through some flickr and picasaweb photos of Salta.. some interesting stuff to do other than the wineries (possibly first destination), and Cable car attraction... but no found of suspicous image of TAR there.. :(
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on January 02, 2012, 12:29:46 PM
Quote
Quote from: eddieshi1 on December 30, 2011, 11:51:40 PM
Dom el, time to update the timeline.  my sources tell me that "unknown, argentina" is salta, argentina.
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I'm kinda curious about "my source" that eddieshi1 said on above post...

Besides, I looked through some flickr and picasaweb photos of Salta.. some interesting stuff to do other than the wineries (possibly first destination), and Cable car attraction... but no found of suspicous image of TAR there.. :(

I do have to question the "my source" as well. I don't exactly trust sources unless they have something to back it up. However, Salta does look good and has at least one solid tweet to back it up, as well as a connection to the starting line.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on January 04, 2012, 08:29:24 AM
Osaka is awesome!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: eddiethejet on January 04, 2012, 11:51:29 PM
Quote
Quote from: eddieshi1 on December 30, 2011, 11:51:40 PM
Dom el, time to update the timeline.  my sources tell me that "unknown, argentina" is salta, argentina.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm kinda curious about "my source" that eddieshi1 said on above post...

Besides, I looked through some flickr and picasaweb photos of Salta.. some interesting stuff to do other than the wineries (possibly first destination), and Cable car attraction... but no found of suspicous image of TAR there.. :(

I do have to question the "my source" as well. I don't exactly trust sources unless they have something to back it up. However, Salta does look good and has at least one solid tweet to back it up, as well as a connection to the starting line.

i cannot and will not disclose my source, but i 100% trust this source.  this is the same source that provided the spoilers i provided in season 19.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on January 05, 2012, 05:35:33 AM
Salta is  :hrt:
I've been there, same as Buenos Aires.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DavidJunior on January 13, 2012, 01:57:10 PM
I forget where on these boards, but people were speculating that there were two legs in Japan...

I personally believe different for two reasons:

a.) They've had a recent trend (S17 onwards) to have the penultimate leg held somewhere (relatively) close to the finale location, where they would have to travel a decent amount of distance from their previous location instead of having two legs in one city/country.  This was the case in S17 (Hong Kong to South Korea, South Korea to L.A.), S18 (Switzerland to Brazil, Brazil to Miami), S19 (Belgium to Panama, Panama to Atlanta)
b.) They have never had two legs in Japan... EVER.  S9 only had one leg, same with S12, S15, and S18.  Even the international versions that went there have only spent one leg (TARA, TARI).

So, I think that the penultimate leg was in Osaka, and the leg before that was somewhere in South/Southeast Asia.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on January 13, 2012, 02:14:38 PM
Japan enexpenives
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on January 13, 2012, 11:37:20 PM
nvm
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on January 14, 2012, 07:33:00 PM
Team in the picture (ricoleta) seems to be a FF.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 14, 2012, 07:41:49 PM
Why do you say that Declive? I don't believe we have any evidence for that.. ???
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on January 14, 2012, 07:43:24 PM
Why do you say that Declive? I don't believe we have any evidence for that.. ???

FF = Female Female
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 14, 2012, 08:24:29 PM
Oh, I thought you meant FF=Fast Forward!! :lol:

That pic is of Dave and Racel we believe. The greeter is a female though.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on January 18, 2012, 05:21:41 AM
I was just having a look over the wonderful pictures taken by Ricardo Cabral at the Recoleta Pit Stop and I noticed this one that I don't think was posted:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7168/6552499535_1bfc07a77d.jpg)

Its a Maradona impersonator! And I'll bet anything that he'll be lining up alongside Phil at the mat!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on January 18, 2012, 05:30:01 AM
I was just having a look over the wonderful pictures taken by Ricardo Cabral at the Recoleta Pit Stop and I noticed this one that I don't think was posted:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7168/6552499535_1bfc07a77d.jpg)

Its a Maradona impersonator! And I'll bet anything that he'll be lining up alongside Phil at the mat!


 :yess:  *fingers-crossed* that he is one of the greeters..!!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on January 18, 2012, 11:56:44 AM
I was just having a look over the wonderful pictures taken by Ricardo Cabral at the Recoleta Pit Stop and I noticed this one that I don't think was posted:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7168/6552499535_1bfc07a77d.jpg)

Its a Maradona impersonator! And I'll bet anything that he'll be lining up alongside Phil at the mat!


 :yess:  *fingers-crossed* that he is one of the greeters..!!!

This is the Maradona imitator from the center of Buenos Aires,he is ALWAYS there,everybody takes pictures with him and give him some coins. I have a picture with him,he is famous,years working on that.I lost the picture but i have,for sure  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 18, 2012, 12:41:49 PM
I must have looked at that a 100 times and never thought "greeter"...good pickup!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 18, 2012, 02:38:27 PM
Based on today's announcement of the Survivor:One World cast, and with TAR premiering the weekend after Survivor's midweek start, I'd be looking for a cast announcement either late this week or sometime next week (the last week of January, which is what I've suggested before.) Just an FYI.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on January 18, 2012, 07:42:34 PM
I was just having a look over the wonderful pictures taken by Ricardo Cabral at the Recoleta Pit Stop and I noticed this one that I don't think was posted:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7168/6552499535_1bfc07a77d.jpg)

Its a Maradona impersonator! And I'll bet anything that he'll be lining up alongside Phil at the mat!


 :yess:  *fingers-crossed* that he is one of the greeters..!!!

This is the Maradona imitator from the center of Buenos Aires,he is ALWAYS there,everybody takes pictures with him and give him some coins. I have a picture with him,he is famous,years working on that.I lost the picture but i have,for sure  :lol:

I've looked at that picture a few times. I almost posted it but after looking it over, I decided it didn't show anything useful except possibly some equipment in the background.  :duno:

It occurred to me that the guy might be Maradona himself, but after googling up a few pictures of Maradona today, I concluded the guy was too young and not fat enough. I did think the Argentine National Team colors of the shirt was a bit unusual. It never crossed my mind that he might be a Maradona impersonator. I just figured it was a guy having fun kicking a ball around on the lawn.

Next time I'll post what appears to be a marginal picture like that and let everyone look and see if they spot anything.  Good work, zapp and Declive!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on January 20, 2012, 10:25:46 AM
This guy is always very nice to everybody there. WHERE THE HELL ARE MY PICTURE WITH HIM???  :'(
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on January 23, 2012, 06:19:01 PM
(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/RFF%20Stuff/snap.jpg)

I will spec the above air ballons have something to do with the Starting Line task?

or else its just a decoration...  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 23, 2012, 10:22:33 PM
Re: the yellow and red balloons.
(First hand knowledge, btw) I can't remember who at the moment, but there is a business in both the wine country of California and the Champagne region of France that conducts hot air balloon tours of the wineries in each location. (It's been going on since the late 1970s; and last time I ever checked the same business was also doing this in Kenya (as a hot air balloon safari). It's quite possible there is a similar business in the wine region of Argentina, as there's a active ballooning community in Argentina as well.)
That may explain the why of the balloons and how they're connecting it to the first destination. And it's the sort of things TPTB would do isn't it?
And it might be a way of seeing if there's anything we can find via googling that can narrow down the first destination. Yes, it's speculation, but there really isn;t a lot to go with this time around is there?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on January 23, 2012, 10:29:54 PM
Re: the yellow and red balloons.
(First hand knowledge, btw) I can't remember who at the moment, but there is a business in both the wine country of California and the Champagne region of France that conducts hot air balloon tours of the wineries in each location. (It's been going on since the late 1970s; and last time I ever checked the same business was also doing this in Kenya (as a hot air balloon safari). It's quite possible there is a similar business in the wine region of Argentina, as there's a active ballooning community in Argentina as well.)
That may explain the why of the balloons and how they're connecting it to the first destination. And it's the sort of things TPTB would do isn't it?
And it might be a way of seeing if there's anything we can find via googling that can narrow down the first destination. Yes, it's speculation, but there really isn;t a lot to go with this time around is there?

Is this (http://www.globosaerostaticos.com/htms/garuda-en/home.html (http://www.globosaerostaticos.com/htms/garuda-en/home.html) anything that can help? Patagonia?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on January 23, 2012, 10:33:30 PM
Ooooh i saw some ballons when i went there last year!! Close to La Plata !!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on January 23, 2012, 10:34:38 PM
 :wohoo: :wohoo: :wohoo: We found a destination here,i think
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 23, 2012, 10:39:57 PM
I suspect the zorb-sized Red and Yellow hot air balloons hold the first clue.  Teams must pull the balloons down using the attachment ropes.  It looks like about 30 pounds of lifting force.  So muscular teams will have an advantage in doing the work. 

11 teams in the lineup.  About 200 balloons.  And only 11 valid clues up in the air.

The time-of-day for the line up is late afternoon.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on January 23, 2012, 10:42:12 PM
I suspect the zorb-sized Red and Yellow hot air balloons hold the first clue.  Teams must pull the balloons down using the attachment ropes.  It looks like about 30 pounds of lifting force.  So muscular teams will have an advantage in doing the work. 

11 teams in the lineup.  About 200 balloons.  And only 11 valid clues up in the air.

The time-of-day for the line up is late afternoon.

Cool starting line task actually
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 23, 2012, 11:06:31 PM
Re: the yellow and red balloons.
(First hand knowledge, btw) I can't remember who at the moment, but there is a business in both the wine country of California and the Champagne region of France that conducts hot air balloon tours of the wineries in each location. (It's been going on since the late 1970s; and last time I ever checked the same business was also doing this in Kenya (as a hot air balloon safari). It's quite possible there is a similar business in the wine region of Argentina, as there's a active ballooning community in Argentina as well.)
That may explain the why of the balloons and how they're connecting it to the first destination. And it's the sort of things TPTB would do isn't it?
And it might be a way of seeing if there's anything we can find via googling that can narrow down the first destination. Yes, it's speculation, but there really isn;t a lot to go with this time around is there?

Is this (http://www.globosaerostaticos.com/htms/garuda-en/home.html (http://www.globosaerostaticos.com/htms/garuda-en/home.html) anything that can help? Patagonia?

What you want to look for is a business that specifically flies charter hot air balloon flights over the wine vineyards  in Argentina...and those web sites may be in Spanish (which I do not speak). I can't tell from that link if this company specifically does that in the right areas of Argentina. That company btw uses one of the oldest and best known manned balloon manufacturers who originated in the UK.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on January 24, 2012, 02:18:52 AM
Re: the yellow and red balloons.
(First hand knowledge, btw) I can't remember who at the moment, but there is a business in both the wine country of California and the Champagne region of France that conducts hot air balloon tours of the wineries in each location. (It's been going on since the late 1970s; and last time I ever checked the same business was also doing this in Kenya (as a hot air balloon safari). It's quite possible there is a similar business in the wine region of Argentina, as there's a active ballooning community in Argentina as well.)
That may explain the why of the balloons and how they're connecting it to the first destination. And it's the sort of things TPTB would do isn't it?
And it might be a way of seeing if there's anything we can find via googling that can narrow down the first destination. Yes, it's speculation, but there really isn;t a lot to go with this time around is there?

Is this (http://www.globosaerostaticos.com/htms/garuda-en/home.html (http://www.globosaerostaticos.com/htms/garuda-en/home.html) anything that can help? Patagonia?

What you want to look for is a business that specifically flies charter hot air balloon flights over the wine vineyards  in Argentina...and those web sites may be in Spanish (which I do not speak). I can't tell from that link if this company specifically does that in the right areas of Argentina. That company btw uses one of the oldest and best known manned balloon manufacturers who originated in the UK.


Try this one for Mendoza region: http://www.thegrapevine-winetours.com/hot-air-balloon-flight.asp
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 24, 2012, 11:56:22 AM
I checked the page and there is a link to the Salta area, and links to other areas of Argentina where they operate balloon flights over the vineyards and olive groves.  (And with the spoiler we had during filming of this season also going to Italy, if you ask me, this may be worth further exploration.)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 24, 2012, 12:36:13 PM
I suspect the zorb-sized Red and Yellow hot air balloons hold the first clue.  Teams must pull the balloons down using the attachment ropes.  It looks like about 30 pounds of lifting force.  So muscular teams will have an advantage in doing the work. 

11 teams in the lineup.  About 200 balloons.  And only 11 valid clues up in the air.

The time-of-day for the line up is late afternoon.

I'm going to modify this guess and say that they are not hot-air balloons.  It would be fairly easy to put together a collection of Helium-filled colored weather balloons:

(http://www.balloonsdirect.com/images/Giant_R/ch_f06.jpg)

Here is a link where you can get them for about $60 each:  Balloons Direct (http://www.balloonsdirect.com/weather-balloons.htm)

These balloons are 8 feet in diameter and can lift 15.5 pounds.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 24, 2012, 12:49:40 PM
Nice Chateau!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on January 24, 2012, 12:50:50 PM
I suspect the zorb-sized Red and Yellow hot air balloons hold the first clue.  Teams must pull the balloons down using the attachment ropes.  It looks like about 30 pounds of lifting force.  So muscular teams will have an advantage in doing the work. 

11 teams in the lineup.  About 200 balloons.  And only 11 valid clues up in the air.

The time-of-day for the line up is late afternoon.

I'm going to modify this guess and say that they are not hot-air balloons.  It would be fairly easy to put together a collection of Helium-filled colored weather balloons:

(http://www.balloonsdirect.com/images/Giant_R/ch_f06.jpg)

Here is a link where you can get them for about $60 each:  Balloons Direct (http://www.balloonsdirect.com/weather-balloons.htm)

These balloons are 8 feet in diameter and can lift 15.5 pounds.

will look in ballon is anyway to fit clue in it
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 24, 2012, 01:09:07 PM
There does seem to be a ?? small basket underneath but the size does not look like a ride in hot air balloons for sure. The weather balloon link does not have a more oblong-y balloon nor the right colors, so I don't know. They aren't round.  I agree w your size estimates so...??
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 24, 2012, 01:11:05 PM
They would have had to get custom colors if it was a weather balloon. So why not get custom made small hot air balloons? It seems like a version of the typical searching starting line task.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paridy on January 24, 2012, 01:19:10 PM
So I wonder if that means we get an on the spot elimination again. Sigh hope not. :gaah:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on January 24, 2012, 01:24:08 PM
I don't think so. It's just a Hazard I think
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 24, 2012, 01:34:50 PM
There are all sorts of 22" to 26" hot air balloon style kites and garden ornaments out there too

http://www.uniqueflyingobjects.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=102&products_id=1069
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 24, 2012, 01:44:33 PM
I think the start line tasks is a find a clue to first destination or flight tickets for flight to first country type of task, I don't think with 11 teams it'll be a start line elimination.

The balloons themselves are probably large helium filled toy balloons designed to hold a small basket to hold an clue envelope (but which still fits with my speculation about the Argentine destination. Don't know who specifically makes them in the U.S., but it can be specially ordered on-line easily enough.

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Bwils927 on January 24, 2012, 09:52:45 PM
couldve already been covered but could a leg in geneva followed by train to turin(torino) seem logical there are plenty of flights from frankfurt to geneva
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on January 25, 2012, 06:34:15 AM
couldve already been covered but could a leg in geneva followed by train to turin(torino) seem logical there are plenty of flights from frankfurt to geneva
Appearances can be deceiving, as the Alps force train routes to not be as the crow flies. Two routes, one via Chambery and France to Torino and the other via Swtizerland and Milano - actual train time on French route is 3.5 hours but you have to layover in Chambery a few hours and there are limited trains - hourly links via Switzerland to Milano and hourly at least Milano-Torino.  Bottom line is that your idea does not appear to be practical versus other alternatives. Even Rome to Torino is quicker.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on January 25, 2012, 07:14:50 AM
can someone PLEASE upload the video that's on the CBS onto YouTube...? It's funny that the show that goes around the world doesn't allow ppl around the world to see their videos

Thank You.-
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 25, 2012, 07:27:15 AM
can someone PLEASE upload the video that's on the CBS onto YouTube...? It's funny that the show that goes around the world doesn't allow ppl around the world to see their videos

Thank You.-

You mean the video posted HERE with the big sign that says TAR 20 Media **now includes the new Promos**
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26426.msg706309.html#msg706309 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26426.msg706309.html#msg706309)

and ALSO here??
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26412.msg706308.html#msg706308 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26412.msg706308.html#msg706308)

And the short TV version HERE?
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26426.msg706048.html#msg706048 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26426.msg706048.html#msg706048)

 :ghug:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 25, 2012, 09:28:08 AM
There is a discussion earlier in this thread about the timing between Sao Paulo and Torino. With the new info from CBS it seems like there must be a German leg between those.

I'll let the real timeliner put it all together but my guess is: California>>Salta>>Buenos Aires>>Asunción>>Bavaria>>Torino>>Tanzania>> Azerbaijan>>Nepal>>Osaka>>Hawaii 
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on January 25, 2012, 09:49:30 AM
Usually in the press releases the mention all of the new countries so if Nepal is visited I kind of find it odd that it wasn't listed.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on January 25, 2012, 10:05:11 AM
Azerbaijan is totally new as well if it's in the mix of countries for AR20.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on January 25, 2012, 10:07:08 AM
When was Germany last visited?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Laimis on January 25, 2012, 10:11:27 AM
When was Germany last visited?

well ,last season they went to Hamburg Hauptbahnhof.  :lol:
But they had a full leg in Germany in season 16
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on January 25, 2012, 10:20:58 AM
To provide more of an answer than you asked for, here is every Amazing Race U.S. visit to Germany:

3-Munich, Fussen
6-Berlin
9-Frankfurt, Stuttgart
14-Bavaria
16-Hamburg
19-Hamburg
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on January 25, 2012, 10:26:19 AM
where does that say that
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on January 25, 2012, 02:49:47 PM
I think we can be 99% sure of the first five legs:
Argentina > Argentina > Paraguay > Germany > Italy

We're sure of the last two:
Osaka > Hawaii

So that leaves five in the middle. We know Tanzania is at least one of the legs. It seems like a long way to go for just one leg, but a leg in northern Tanzania that involves the Masaai people is feasible logistically. There's at least one leg in Baku, Azerbaijan (which I'm really looking forward to). That leaves us with 8 countries. S13 had 8 as well, so it is possible.

Seasons of TAR normally have three or four locations (usually countries) with two legs. So far, we only know of one, Argentina. So this is my guess of the route:
Argentina > Argentina > Paraguay > Germany > Italy > Italy > Tanzania > Tanzania > Azerbaijan > Japan > Japan > USA

But there could easily be a ninth country in the middle there somewhere. Maybe in the Middle East or maybe a South-East Asian city instead of one of the double countries.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Laimis on January 25, 2012, 02:53:00 PM
It's unusual to have two legs in Japan. Because all the time they had just one leg there. Well I dunno. :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on January 25, 2012, 03:14:33 PM
Looking back at a few 'live sightings', I think we can now rule a few of them out. One Tweeter claimed that the race landed at Doha from Nepal, but that doesn't make sense at all. Another claimed that he saw the BB team on a flight from Doha to Beijing, which also doesn't match up with Azerbaijan. Baku doesn't connect with Doha so there'd be no reason to go there.

In fact, looking at both Tweeter's profiles, they both Tweeted an absolutely obscene amount of times on the 14th December before their 'sightings'. Almost definitely fake, and working together.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on January 25, 2012, 04:43:17 PM
I like the route Dom El. Only thing that bothers me is that it's a long jump from Azerbaijan to Japan. I think a leg should fall somewhere in the middle with only one leg in the finale country.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on January 25, 2012, 04:49:49 PM
I like the route Dom El. Only thing that bothers me is that it's a long jump from Azerbaijan to Japan. I think a leg should fall somewhere in the middle with only one leg in the finale country.

How about India the producers favourite country?  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on January 25, 2012, 04:53:41 PM
I like the route Dom El. Only thing that bothers me is that it's a long jump from Azerbaijan to Japan. I think a leg should fall somewhere in the middle with only one leg in the finale country.

How about India China the producers favourite country?  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 25, 2012, 04:58:22 PM
I like the route Dom El. Only thing that bothers me is that it's a long jump from Azerbaijan to Japan. I think a leg should fall somewhere in the middle with only one leg in the finale country.

How about India China Thailand the producers favourite country?  :lol:

:lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on January 25, 2012, 05:00:59 PM
I like the route Dom El. Only thing that bothers me is that it's a long jump from Azerbaijan to Japan. I think a leg should fall somewhere in the middle with only one leg in the finale country.

How about India China Thailand Brazil the producers favourite country?  :lol:

:lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on January 25, 2012, 05:03:59 PM
I like the route Dom El. Only thing that bothers me is that it's a long jump from Azerbaijan to Japan. I think a leg should fall somewhere in the middle with only one leg in the finale country.

How about India China Thailand Brazil Kazakhstan the producers least favourite country?  :lol:

:lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 25, 2012, 05:28:36 PM
Laos remains a possibility.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on January 25, 2012, 05:35:21 PM
Laos remains a possibility.

I hope so.

But when press releases get released don;t they mention all the new countries?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 25, 2012, 05:38:23 PM
Don't think that is a rule...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: smiley on January 25, 2012, 05:38:45 PM
Laos remains a possibility.

I hope so.

But when press releases get released don;t they mention all the new countries?

it's on wiki - where they mentioned the countries they visited - and no laos was not there.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on January 25, 2012, 05:41:22 PM
Laos remains a possibility.

I hope so.

But when press releases get released don;t they mention all the new countries?

it's on wiki - where they mentioned the countries they visited - and no laos was not there.

Do you want me to go on wiki and add Laos for you? Anyone can add whatever they want to it.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 25, 2012, 05:45:06 PM
I am going to bloody well scream if one more person honestly thinks wiki is a valid source of spoiler info. Puh-leez.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on January 25, 2012, 05:47:31 PM
Could there be two legs in Italy? It seems probable.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Snooky on January 25, 2012, 05:53:53 PM
I remember when en.wiki was closed and I decided to end loading it before the black script came up, I remember seeing Lesotho, thus, teams must have been in Lesotho. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redwings8831 on January 25, 2012, 05:54:56 PM
I am going to bloody well scream if one more person honestly thinks wiki is a valid source of spoiler info. Puh-leez.

I could say the race ended on the moon and someone would probably start looking for flights.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Snooky on January 25, 2012, 05:59:48 PM
I am going to bloody well scream if one more person honestly thinks wiki is a valid source of spoiler info. Puh-leez.

I could say the race ended on the moon and someone would probably start looking for flights.
(http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu63/Snooky101/moonflight12.png)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on January 25, 2012, 06:04:57 PM
I am going to bloody well scream if one more person honestly thinks wiki is a valid source of spoiler info. Puh-leez.

I could say the race ended on the moon and someone would probably start looking for flights.
(http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu63/Snooky101/moonflight12.png)

 :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: smiley on January 25, 2012, 06:25:02 PM
I am going to bloody well scream if one more person honestly thinks wiki is a valid source of spoiler info. Puh-leez.

sorry
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on January 25, 2012, 06:51:42 PM
Don't think that is a rule...

Interesting. As far as I can remember they mentioned the new countries in the press release. Correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 25, 2012, 09:25:50 PM
They don't always mention all the new countries or all of the countries in the press releases. There's no hard and fast rule.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on January 25, 2012, 10:53:30 PM
According to this pic,i think teams on first flight to Argentina:
Brendon and Rachel
Misa and Maiya
Art and JJ
Dave and Cherie
Vanessa and Ralph
Joey and Danny
Eillot and Andrew
Nary and Jamie/Dave and Rachel(I'm not sure the blonde girl)
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2020/LAX/01590e96.jpg)
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2020/LAX/a0d63702.jpg)

so Second flight:
Booper and Mark
Kerri and Stacy
Nary and Jamie/Dave and Rachel



Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on January 25, 2012, 11:00:06 PM
I can't see Misa/Maiya?  ???
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 25, 2012, 11:01:22 PM
Or the other way around? ???
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: topaz on January 25, 2012, 11:03:07 PM
I like the route Dom El. Only thing that bothers me is that it's a long jump from Azerbaijan to Japan. I think a leg should fall somewhere in the middle with only one leg in the finale country.

How about India China Thailand Brazil Kazakhstan the producers least favourite country?  :lol:

:lol:

And also don't forget Mongolia, Indonesia, Bangladesh or even my country Philippines [Amazing Race, it's more fun there :lol3:] are even the least favorite country for TAR US producers and PROBABLY those countries are either a possible leg between Azerbaijan and Japan. :duno:

btw, according to wikipedia that I'd saw an update today that 8 countries will visit for TAR 20, so either one of those 4 countries that I'd mentioned it above is probably the 7th one before heading towards to Japan.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on January 25, 2012, 11:03:33 PM
I can't see Misa/Maiya?  ???
They are in another photo,i update.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on January 25, 2012, 11:05:52 PM
I like the route Dom El. Only thing that bothers me is that it's a long jump from Azerbaijan to Japan. I think a leg should fall somewhere in the middle with only one leg in the finale country.

How about India China Thailand Brazil Kazakhstan the producers least favourite country?  :lol:

:lol:

And also don't forget Mongolia, Indonesia, Bangladesh or even my country Philippines [Amazing Race, it's more fun there :lol3:] are even the least favorite country for TAR US producers and PROBABLY those countries are either a possible leg between Azerbaijan and Japan. :duno:

Yeah but those legs were good, the Kazakh one sucked :lol:

Oh and thhanks Weihen, I see them now ^.^ I'd say it's first flight because I've never seen first flights carrying 3 teams in the first leg.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 25, 2012, 11:10:36 PM
btw, according to wikipedia that I'd saw an update today .

WIKI is NOT considered a spoiler source at RFF. Anyone can edit anything. So find the original source or don't use it please. Thanks.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on January 25, 2012, 11:37:05 PM
btw, according to wikipedia that I'd saw an update today .

WIKI is NOT considered a spoiler source at RFF. Anyone can edit anything. So find the original source or don't use it please. Thanks.

Exactly the 7 was changed to 8 because someone added Japan without a source.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 26, 2012, 12:33:06 AM
btw, according to wikipedia that I'd saw an update today .

WIKI is NOT considered a spoiler source at RFF. Anyone can edit anything. So find the original source or don't use it please. Thanks.

Just to be far, Wii does not consider RFF a source ever for any reason. Even when RFF has it totally right.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on January 26, 2012, 12:35:00 AM
btw, according to wikipedia that I'd saw an update today .

WIKI is NOT considered a spoiler source at RFF. Anyone can edit anything. So find the original source or don't use it please. Thanks.

Just to be far, Wii does not consider RFF a source ever for any reason. Even when RFF has it totally right.

I don't understand why...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on January 26, 2012, 12:39:12 AM
Tanzania is rumored to be one of the destinations, maybe we'll have the missing TAR 11 leg!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Charlie90 on January 26, 2012, 01:58:01 AM
Missing leg? All right..could someone explain that to me? Why was that leg cancelled in TAR11?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on January 26, 2012, 03:11:15 AM
Missing leg? All right..could someone explain that to me? Why was that leg cancelled in TAR11?

The Tanzania leg was speculated to end in Arusha, Tanzania, where they could easily fly onwards to Europe. But because Joe/Bill and Terri/Ian ended up like several weeks and episodes days behind due to flight trouble and they couldn't finish the leg safely, the pit stop was moved. This is just a rumor, peach can confirm this
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 26, 2012, 06:33:18 AM
Tanzania is rumored to be one of the destinations, maybe we'll have the missing TAR 11 leg!

TAanzania according to press IS a destination!! Yippee!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on January 26, 2012, 04:18:49 PM
I was just wondering whether we could use 40,000 miles to try and estimate how teams got from Africa to Japan. However, I'm assuming
this figure includes flight connections which is a bit annoying.

When I looked back at TAR19's route, the actual race route that team's had to plot out in the final task weighed in at a little over 28,000 miles, but was billed as over 40,000. I can only assume that this involved connecting flights. Can anyone confirm this? I'm sure someone's looked into it before!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on January 26, 2012, 08:31:27 PM
I think the team standing behind M/F team is Eilliot/Andrew,they made it to Paraguay.
(http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/5607/461589813.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on January 26, 2012, 11:17:13 PM
This company in Salta does ballooning and skydiving

http://www.saltaqui.com/default.aspx

from the promos I'm guessing its a skydiving RB
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 27, 2012, 01:20:42 AM
It's nice to see three independent lines of thinking got us to the same area of Argentina (balloons, skydiving, eyewitness reports for those that can't keep up). And I still think we're going to see something involving aerostation in Salta (an old fashioned word for ballooning) before we're through).
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on January 27, 2012, 07:47:44 AM
We've known CBS said that the race will visit Azerbadjan. Just so you know, I have to say that it's a country in development. Last year, Azerbadjan won the Eurovision Song Contest, and Bakú its capital, will be the host in May of the said event. It's a city of contrasts, somehow, and in development. As a fact, the country will spend 70 Million € in the organization of the event, making it the most expensive one of the history. Could the organization of the Contest be a good thing to be shown on TAR?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Flamant on January 27, 2012, 04:51:31 PM
Was wondering... since they are probably going to the Ngorongoro crater, is it possible that they did a Kenya leg too? It's just beside. They could have landed at Dar Es Salaam, went to the Ngorongoro crater, then the Serengati national park to meet the Massaai people, with the Pit Stop near that task. Then they could have taken a bus to Nairobi to make a leg there. :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on January 28, 2012, 03:18:59 AM
 :stare
It's nice to see three independent lines of thinking got us to the same area of Argentina (balloons, skydiving, eyewitness reports for those that can't keep up). And I still think we're going to see something involving aerostation in Salta (an old fashioned word for ballooning) before we're through).

Just to add some additional support for a leg in Salta, I came across some evidence a few weeks back that suggests the teams took an 18 hour bus ride to get to Buenos Aires after the first leg. I hadn't mentioned it before now, because I was hoping to pin it down better and learn more, but I've had no success so far. There are a few places that are roughly an 18 hour bus ride from Buenos Aires . One is Salta. Another is Iguacu Falls, but we haven't had any other evidence that they went there. I don't recall the others right now, but they didn't seem like places TAR would go.

Update:

Oops, I see we confirmed Salta from the promos yesterday. I hadn't been keeping up. Never mind.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: topaz on January 28, 2012, 11:24:07 PM
Another is Iguacu Falls, but we haven't had any other evidence that they went there. I don't recall the others right now, but they didn't seem like places TAR would go.

Update:

Oops, I see we confirmed Salta from the promos yesterday. I hadn't been keeping up. Never mind.
you mean Iguazu Falls, but hopefully that place should be visited and race for TAR 20 because right now that place is one of the big winners of the New 7 Wonders of Nature lists! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iguazu_Falls#Comparisons_to_other_famous_falls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iguazu_Falls#Comparisons_to_other_famous_falls) :hearts:

Yep!  Its a great place to race there.  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on January 28, 2012, 11:27:38 PM
Another is Iguacu Falls, but we haven't had any other evidence that they went there. I don't recall the others right now, but they didn't seem like places TAR would go.

Update:

Oops, I see we confirmed Salta from the promos yesterday. I hadn't been keeping up. Never mind.
you mean Iguazu Falls, but hopefully that place should be visited and race for TAR 20 because right now that place is one of the big winners of the New 7 Wonders of Nature lists! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iguazu_Falls#Comparisons_to_other_famous_falls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iguazu_Falls#Comparisons_to_other_famous_falls) :hearts:

Yep!  Its a great place to race there.  :tup:

I have a friend living there,will ask him to ask some information there  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 28, 2012, 11:40:26 PM
Another is Iguacu Falls, but we haven't had any other evidence that they went there. I don't recall the others right now, but they didn't seem like places TAR would go.

Update:

Oops, I see we confirmed Salta from the promos yesterday. I hadn't been keeping up. Never mind.
you mean Iguazu Falls, but hopefully that place should be visited and race for TAR 20 because right now that place is one of the big winners of the New 7 Wonders of Nature lists! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iguazu_Falls#Comparisons_to_other_famous_falls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iguazu_Falls#Comparisons_to_other_famous_falls) :hearts:

Yep!  Its a great place to race there.  :tup:

I have a friend living there,will ask him to ask some information there  :tup:

Y'all seem to forget that TAR was there in season 2, ten years ago!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: tarflyonthewall on January 29, 2012, 10:09:03 PM
Is it possible the Sydney spoiler is actually the ending of TAR Aus 2, and the Brisbane/Fraser Island spoiler is from TAR20?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 29, 2012, 10:15:36 PM
Is it possible the Sydney spoiler is actually the ending of TAR Aus 2, and the Brisbane/Fraser Island spoiler is from TAR20?

Good question. Teams (whether Aus or US) were seen there Dec 13th...and we have no other info for that time period.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on January 29, 2012, 10:33:40 PM
Is it possible the Sydney spoiler is actually the ending of TAR Aus 2, and the Brisbane/Fraser Island spoiler is from TAR20?

Good question. Teams (whether Aus or US) were seen there Dec 13th...and we have no other info for that time period.

If it is it would be the third season to visit all 6 continents (depending on how you define it) after seasons 5 and 11. 20 is a big number so it wouldn't shock me.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: tarflyonthewall on January 29, 2012, 10:39:54 PM
Plus, given the floods last year the Queensland government is trying to boost the state's tourism industry any way possible, and throwing a few bucks to WRP is definitely a better use of their money than most other options.

Also, we know ActiveTV were scouting multiple locations in Sydney, which implies it's used for more than just a starting line.

And it makes more sense to have a Brisbane leg, followed by a Fraser Island leg, than to squeeze them both into one. Even if TAR Aus uses the "old" finale format.

I'm thinking:
Leg 1: Salta
Leg 2: Buenos Airea
Leg 3: Asuncion
Leg 4: Somewhere else in Italy? Milan, perhaps? Or Rome or Naples? Pompeii?
Leg 5: Turin
Leg 6: Tanzania (why go east to Baku, then back west, then all the way east to Brisbane? Especially with the distance?)
Leg 7: Azerbaijan
Leg 8: Brisbane
Leg 9: Fraser Island
Leg 10: ?, but I doubt they'll do an Australia-to-Japan leg twice in three seasons
Leg 11: Osaka
Leg 12: Hawaii

The other, more likely option, is that there's one leg in Italy and either Tanzania or Azerbaijan have two.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on January 29, 2012, 10:57:23 PM
Plus, given the floods last year the Queensland government is trying to boost the state's tourism industry any way possible, and throwing a few bucks to WRP is definitely a better use of their money than most other options.

Also, we know ActiveTV were scouting multiple locations in Sydney, which implies it's used for more than just a starting line.

And it makes more sense to have a Brisbane leg, followed by a Fraser Island leg, than to squeeze them both into one. Even if TAR Aus uses the "old" finale format.

I'm thinking:
Leg 1: Salta
Leg 2: Buenos Airea
Leg 3: Asuncion
Leg 4: Somewhere else in Italy? Milan, perhaps? Or Rome or Naples? Pompeii?
Leg 5: Turin
Leg 6: Tanzania (why go east to Baku, then back west, then all the way east to Brisbane? Especially with the distance?)
Leg 7: Azerbaijan
Leg 8: Brisbane
Leg 9: Fraser Island
Leg 10: ?, but I doubt they'll do an Australia-to-Japan leg twice in three seasons
Leg 11: Osaka
Leg 12: Hawaii

The other, more likely option, is that there's one leg in Italy and either Tanzania or Azerbaijan have two.

Leg 4 is Germany likely and Leg 5 is Turin. Two legs in Australia without a shred of evidence is odd especially after season 18.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on January 29, 2012, 11:00:30 PM
Plus, given the floods last year the Queensland government is trying to boost the state's tourism industry any way possible, and throwing a few bucks to WRP is definitely a better use of their money than most other options.

Also, we know ActiveTV were scouting multiple locations in Sydney, which implies it's used for more than just a starting line.

And it makes more sense to have a Brisbane leg, followed by a Fraser Island leg, than to squeeze them both into one. Even if TAR Aus uses the "old" finale format.

I'm thinking:
Leg 1: Salta
Leg 2: Buenos Airea
Leg 3: Asuncion
Leg 4: Somewhere else in Italy? Milan, perhaps? Or Rome or Naples? Pompeii?
Leg 5: Turin
Leg 6: Tanzania (why go east to Baku, then back west, then all the way east to Brisbane? Especially with the distance?)
Leg 7: Azerbaijan
Leg 8: Brisbane
Leg 9: Fraser Island
Leg 10: ?, but I doubt they'll do an Australia-to-Japan leg twice in three seasons
Leg 11: Osaka
Leg 12: Hawaii

The other, more likely option, is that there's one leg in Italy and either Tanzania or Azerbaijan have two.

I'll put it this way :

Leg 4 : Germany
Leg 8 : Somewhere in Azerbaijan OR Qatar,why not?
Leg 9 : Nepal
Leg 10 : China
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on January 29, 2012, 11:17:58 PM
Taken from timeline thread:

My guesses for the route:

Leg 1: Argentina
Leg 2: Argentina
Leg 3: Paraguay
Leg 4: Germany
Leg 5: Italy
Leg 6: Azerbaijan
Leg 7: Tanzania
Leg 8: Tanzania
Leg 9: Laos?
Leg 10: Japan
Leg 11: Japan
Leg 12: Hawaii
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: tarflyonthewall on January 29, 2012, 11:25:38 PM
Quote
Leg 4 is Germany likely and Leg 5 is Turin. Two legs in Australia without a shred of evidence is odd especially after season 18.  :lol:

Then again, another Germany visit after the drive-by last season is just as likely. And we have precedent for a country getting two legs in two out of three seasons before - heck, it's even been done in Australia before.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on January 29, 2012, 11:27:58 PM
Quote
Leg 4 is Germany likely and Leg 5 is Turin. Two legs in Australia without a shred of evidence is odd especially after season 18.  :lol:

Then again, another Germany visit after the drive-by last season is just as likely. And we have precedent for a country getting two legs in two out of three seasons before - heck, it's even been done in Australia before.

Germany I think is a leg because the press release mentioned the castle in Fussen.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 29, 2012, 11:40:22 PM
Is it possible the Sydney spoiler is actually the ending of TAR Aus 2, and the Brisbane/Fraser Island spoiler is from TAR20?

Good question. Teams (whether Aus or US) were seen there Dec 13th...and we have no other info for that time period.

If it is it would be the third season to visit all 6 continents (depending on how you define it) after seasons 5 and 11. 20 is a big number so it wouldn't shock me.

I believe BVM described season 20's route in one of the media interviews for the cast reveal as one of the craziest yet; throwing Brisbane into the mix might just explain his description. As it is we really didn't have any information once they left Paraguay until they reached Hawaii, and worked back to Osaka. So I'm not ready to rule out another country they haven't mentioned yet.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Shelact on January 30, 2012, 09:19:53 AM
Just my two cents.  I looked for BVM's comments on where they were going but couldn't find it.  What I remember is that he said they would visit Ludwig's Castle.  Ludwig had 3 Castles that are popular tourist destinations.  I've visited two of the them, Neuschwanstein in Fussin and Linderhof near Oberammergau.  The third one is Hohenschwangau.   Unless BVM specifically said Fussin which I don't think he did, I think that Linderhof would be a more likely place for teams to visit this time.  I think it is easier to get to and it is an absolutely beautiful Castle.  It has a Grotto that would make a great place for a task but don't ask me what the task could be.  Below is a link for info on Linderhof.   I apologize for this if Fussin was actually mentioned but I remember thinking when I read about this seasons route that they would probably go to Linderhof since Fussin has already been visited.

http://www.tompgalvin.com/places/de/bayern/koenigschlosser_linderhof.htm
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 30, 2012, 09:21:38 AM
Several different articles I saw either called the castle the one that inspired Cinderella or the one that inspired Sleeping Beauty...not sure which one to believe.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 30, 2012, 09:31:47 AM
Quote

The competitors will also face a food challenge in Italy and search King Ludwig's quarters in the German castle that was the inspiration for the castle in "Sleeping Beauty."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/25/the-amazing-race-season-20-cast_n_1231000.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/25/the-amazing-race-season-20-cast_n_1231000.html)

I think that means Neuschwanstein? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuschwanstein_Castle

You can do a virtual tour of Ludwig's rooms here:
http://www.neuschwanstein.de/englisch/palace/tour.htm
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 30, 2012, 09:35:24 AM
http://www.imdb.com/news/ni21675339/

But CBS says Sleeping Beauty: http://www.cbspres***press.com/cbs-entertainment/shows/the-amazing-race/releases/view?id=30489
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 30, 2012, 09:47:27 AM
Doesn't matter. Neuschwanstein is also known as the "Cinderella" castle.

Some of what we could see:

 
Quote
King Ludwig's chamber was a major highlight with its bedroom arrayed with all sorts of elaborate wooden furniture with a hunting theme.  The bedroom also had a hidden locked door to a private toilet, one of the first in Europe that featured running water.  There was an artificial grotto that made up one of the hallways, complete with fake rock and waterfall.  The ballroom on the fifth floor was also a highlight, with its incredible display of artwork.  As King Ludwig was a big fan of Wagner's operas, scenes from the operas were posted on murals throughout the building, especially in the bedroom. 


http://www.tompgalvin.com/places/de/bayern/koenigschlosser_neuschwanstein.htm (http://www.tompgalvin.com/places/de/bayern/koenigschlosser_neuschwanstein.htm)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on January 30, 2012, 09:50:23 AM
Quote

The competitors will also face a food challenge in Italy and search King Ludwig's quarters in the German castle that was the inspiration for the castle in "Sleeping Beauty."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/25/the-amazing-race-season-20-cast_n_1231000.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/25/the-amazing-race-season-20-cast_n_1231000.html)

I think that means Neuschwanstein? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuschwanstein_Castle

You can do a virtual tour of Ludwig's rooms here:
http://www.neuschwanstein.de/englisch/palace/tour.htm

let not forgert the amazing race 3 that was the pit stop for that leg i think that will be pit stop for germany leg aslo
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on January 30, 2012, 10:06:55 AM
Zach:

You are quite close, but AR3 teams did not visit Neuschwanstein. That pit stop was in a meadow overlooking Neuschwanstein on the nearby grounds of Schloss Bullachberg. Either way, it was Fussen.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on February 02, 2012, 06:49:40 PM
From TV Guide:

.Amazing Race 20 Season 20, Episode 1
Feb 19, 2012 episode details
Quote
The 20th edition of the reality series begins with 11 teams of two meeting in Santa Barbara, Cal., where they receive instructions to fly to Santa Barbara, Argentina, to start their global trek.

 
 ??? since the start was not Santa Barbara....
 
 
BUT Santa Barbara Argentina is not that far from Salta....
 
 :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on February 02, 2012, 07:54:12 PM
From TV Guide:

.Amazing Race 20 Season 20, Episode 1
Feb 19, 2012 episode details
Quote
The 20th edition of the reality series begins with 11 teams of two meeting in Santa Barbara, Cal., where they receive instructions to fly to Santa Barbara, Argentina, to start their global trek.

 
 ??? since the start was not Santa Barbara....
 
 
BUT Santa Barbara Argentina is not that far from Salta....
 
 :duno:

If Google Earth is right, Santa Barbara is about 135 km from Salta as the crow flies and is at about 6700 feet in the middle of nowhere. I can't even find roads going to it. Google Earth can't give me driving directions from Salta to Santa Barbara. I'm a bit skeptical. It would be pretty isolated from a security standpoint though.

However, this could very well be where the skydiving happens. We already have matched up the river below the sky divers and Google Earth does show river valleys in those mountains. I'll try and match up the river with the location of Santa Barbara.

Update:

Whoops! Here's what Neobie found:

It's Salta alright! Rio Santa Marta near the town of Cafayate, 150km/90mi south of Salta city.

Santa Barbara is 135 km/80 mi NORTH of Salta, so it's almost 175 miles away from the skydiving. Now I'm even more puzzled about Santa Barbara. Maybe it's the name of an estate or ranch.

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on February 02, 2012, 08:11:43 PM
Nvm, you found it.
I found this site (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_B%C3%A1rbara_(Salta)) which lists a Santa Barbara north of Cafayate, but like the other SB it doesn't look like a city, just a spot on the map.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on February 02, 2012, 08:12:30 PM
Neobie already found it (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26795.msg707636.html#msg707636); it's by the Medanos (sand dunes) near Cafayate, south of Salta.

Ha! I beat your correction by 20 seconds!  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on February 02, 2012, 08:53:01 PM
I just found this: in Jujuy (which is near Salta), there is a place called Torre Santa Barbara (Santa Barbara Tower). This could be a Pit Stop.

Please correct me if I am wrong. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: walkingpneumonia on February 02, 2012, 09:18:42 PM
Saint Barbara - the patron saint of people who work with things that go BOOM.
Like balloons...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on February 02, 2012, 09:22:24 PM
It's really fun to see the old standby sources coming up with leads on this new season. Like the days of old before Twitter and Facebook! :)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: walkingpneumonia on February 02, 2012, 09:49:22 PM

Quote
The 20th edition of the reality series begins with 11 teams of two meeting in Santa Barbara, Cal., where they receive instructions to fly to Santa Barbara, Argentina, to start their global trek.

 
 ??? since the start was not Santa Barbara....
 
11 teams of two meeting in Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara - where the teams meet - to Santa Ynez where the race starts is 30 mi - about 40 minutes on the "Amazing Race Bus".
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on February 03, 2012, 12:30:18 AM
Quote
    The 20th edition of the reality series begins with 11 teams of two meeting in Santa Barbara, Cal., where they receive instructions to fly to Santa Barbara, Argentina, to start their global trek.

Wrong, first they have to fly to Buenos Aires, Argentina, take a bus to Salta, and then self drive (?) to Santa Barbara...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on February 03, 2012, 12:44:14 AM
The couple that heard the confessional at the end of the leg in Buenos Aires indicated that they took the bus from Salta to Buenos Aires. I suspect the teams flew from Buenos Aires to Salta in leg 1.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on February 03, 2012, 12:48:57 AM
The couple that heard the confessional at the end of the leg in Buenos Aires indicated that they took the bus from Salta to Buenos Aires. I suspect the teams flew from Buenos Aires to Salta in leg 1.

I think that too!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on February 03, 2012, 03:52:12 AM
I found an airport

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mart%C3%ADn_Miguel_de_G%C3%BCemes_International_Airport
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Flamant on February 03, 2012, 11:02:44 AM
From the article Peach posted in the location thread:

The racing was in fact unusual. The clarity to the issue was brought by the news service of CineX film company which said that at that very period the world famous reality show The Amazing Race was shot under support of the Ministry of Culture and Tourism in Baku, while the foreigners were not simple tourists but participants of this television show. Among  participants there were twin brothers, 2 clowns and  even 2 intelligence agents.

So does this means that Elliot & Andrew, Dave & Cherie and Nary & Jamie all made it to Azerbaïdjan?? Or they are only saying teams randomly? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on February 03, 2012, 11:04:47 AM
Sounds as though they are just quoting the press release to me.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on February 10, 2012, 08:37:01 PM
Is it possible the first roadblock is skydiving?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on February 10, 2012, 08:38:37 PM
Is it possible the first roadblock is skydiving?

I'll go with 70%  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on February 10, 2012, 08:42:59 PM
Per the press release, it is definitely in Argentina. Last year the intial promo contained scenes from the first two episodes because there was no one eliminated in the first.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on February 10, 2012, 09:01:25 PM
The skydiving task looks identical to the skydiving task (using an instructor in tandem to the Racer who is jumping) that we saw in Season 3 in the first leg in Mexico. Of course we can't tell if its a detour so both Racers jump in separate tandems as it was in TAR 3, or if it's a Roadblock with just one Racer jumping.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: tarflyonthewall on February 13, 2012, 12:41:13 AM
It's an "extreme sports" thing, so it'll be a Road Block. I don't even remember the last time there was one as a Detour. Probably TAR12 with the ziplines in Croatia?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on February 20, 2012, 10:38:14 AM
Looks like India, Japan and Tanzania have two legs a piece. Like last year!  :groan:

USA-Argentina
Argentina
Argentina-Paraguay
Paraguay-Germany
Germany-Italy
Italy-Azerbaijan
Azerbaijan-Tanzania
Tanzania
Tanzania-India
India
India-Japan
Japan
Hawaii
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Laimis on February 20, 2012, 10:50:05 AM
Looks like India, Japan and Tanzania have two legs a piece. Like last year!  :groan:

USA-Argentina
Argentina
Argentina-Paraguay
Paraguay-Germany
Germany-Italy
Italy-Azerbaijan
Azerbaijan-Tanzania
Tanzania
Tanzania-India
India
India-Japan
Japan
Hawaii

13 legs?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on February 20, 2012, 10:57:20 AM
Looks like India, Japan and Tanzania have two legs a piece. Like last year!  :groan:

USA-Argentina
Argentina
Argentina-Paraguay
Paraguay-Germany
Germany-Italy
Italy-Azerbaijan
Azerbaijan-Tanzania
Tanzania
Tanzania-India
India
India-Japan
Japan
Hawaii
I think only 1 leg in India?(if 12 legs)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on February 20, 2012, 11:02:50 AM
Looks like India, Japan and Tanzania have two legs a piece. Like last year!  :groan:

USA-Argentina
Argentina
Argentina-Paraguay
Paraguay-Germany
Germany-Italy
Italy-Azerbaijan
Azerbaijan-Tanzania
Tanzania
Tanzania-India
India
India-Japan
Japan
Hawaii
I think only 1 leg in India?(if 12 legs)

Or only one leg in Japan, which makes more sense. I believe the final country before heading home to the US has recently only had one leg.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on February 20, 2012, 11:28:58 AM
Looks like India, Japan and Tanzania have two legs a piece. Like last year!  :groan:

USA-Argentina
Argentina
Argentina-Paraguay
Paraguay-Germany
Germany-Italy
Italy-Azerbaijan
Azerbaijan-Tanzania
Tanzania
Tanzania-India
India
India-Japan
Japan
Hawaii
I think only 1 leg in India?(if 12 legs)

Or only one leg in Japan, which makes more sense. I believe the final country before heading home to the US has recently only had one leg.
Hiroshima torii is far away from osaka which can't make 1 leg...if Hiroshima torii not used for intro to Japan(it has been used in TAR18 leg3,but different  in S20's intro,Hiroshima torii in S20 intro ws shot at night)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on February 20, 2012, 11:38:48 AM
another thing make me think only 1 leg in India:production often made every leg involved in intro,but I searched all and found only one---crikets refered to India(except old in Varanasi,S18)...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on February 20, 2012, 12:21:53 PM
another thing make me think only 1 leg in India:production often made every leg involved in intro,but I searched all and found only one---crikets refered to India(except old in Varanasi,S18)...

I meant to have one leg for India. Mis-calculated.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on February 20, 2012, 02:12:36 PM
Season 10: visited india (won emmy)
Season 12: visited india (won emmy)
Season 14: visited india (won emmy)
Season 16: didn't visit india (didn't win emmy)
Season 18: visited india (won emmy)
Season 20: visited india (most likely) (i hope wins emmy again)

Can you see the pattern?? Anyway, i'm sooooooooo sick of india, for real..!!!!!!!!!! give us a break pleaseee
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on February 20, 2012, 02:14:30 PM
u added an extra leg...there's only 12 legs (including the finale)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on February 20, 2012, 02:21:03 PM
For some reason that is unexplainable, India fascinates and frustrates American visitors, especially when they're on TAR. Legs in India have never disappointed the viewer, and the cultural contrasts to the U.S. do make for good television.

Just be glad they're limiting India these days to mostly one leg every other season; but I do admit two legs in India are even better television when we've had them.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: docol on February 20, 2012, 02:25:06 PM
don't think so....give me some nepal, buthan, fiji, maldives, ANYTHING...besides india pleaseeeee!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on February 20, 2012, 02:29:51 PM
China, Russia, Thailand?

I do agree with theschnauzers that the India legs always give a other feeling to the race. But at least they can visit another part of India, Kerala has also been visited  (when Tian and Jaree where eliminated :'()
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Cocoa on February 20, 2012, 06:25:20 PM
India for Season 21 please! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Harry4 on February 20, 2012, 06:58:47 PM
Australia for Season 21.

Hoping Art & JJ and the clowns at least get to the final 4 teams.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on February 20, 2012, 07:10:14 PM
It's been CHINDIA the whole time...  :lol3:

(read: China-India)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Flamant on February 20, 2012, 09:19:22 PM
Sorry for my ignorance, but do we know which team this is? (IF it's a team) :duno:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2020/Honolulu/245a632c.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: LoveRocked on February 20, 2012, 09:26:13 PM
Sorry for my ignorance, but do we know which team this is? (IF it's a team) :duno:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2020/Honolulu/245a632c.jpg)

My guess is Art & JJ? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on February 20, 2012, 11:09:14 PM
Sorry for my ignorance, but do we know which team this is? (IF it's a team) :duno:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2020/Honolulu/245a632c.jpg)

My guess is Art & JJ? :duno:

That could definitely be Art and JJ - those look exactly like the clothes they were on the first Leg when in Argentina

however as this task is in open in air and anyone could see it, i spec that the producers sent a few decoys for that task  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on February 20, 2012, 11:11:25 PM
If That Multilevel car park is in Osaka,then F4 maybe:
Brendon/Rachel,Dave/Rachel,Joey/Danny,Nary/Jamie
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on February 20, 2012, 11:13:59 PM
If That Multilevel car park is in Osaka,then F4 maybe:
Brendon/Rachel,Dave/Rachel,Joey/Danny,Nary/Jamie

omg. if that IS the final 4 i am not happy  (:;)

I'm telling myself it isn't the f4 so now I'm gonna look for that carpark LOL
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on February 20, 2012, 11:49:42 PM
Teams SAFE through South America

Rachel and Dave (spotted in Japan)
Brendon and Rachel (spotted in Italy, POSSIBLY in Hawaii/could be decoys)
Nary and Jamie (spotted in Tanzania beekeeping)
Ralph and Vanessa (spotted in India)
Kerri and Stacy (spotted in Italy)
Mark and Bopper (spotted in Azerbaijan)
Danny and Joey (spotted repelling in carpark)
Art and JJ (spotted in HAWAII [possibly decoys])

POSSIBLY eliminated in South America

Andrew and Elliott
Dave and Cherie

ELIMINATED

Maiya and Misa


As we know Andrew and Elliott were spotted at the Pit Stop in Paraguay (regardless whether it was an elimination or not)
It means that the next Leg  will be either a

NON ELIMINATION

OR

the ELIMINATION of

DAVE AND CHERIE

Most likely we will be saying goodbye to David and Cherie  :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: milanissimo on February 21, 2012, 05:39:19 AM
Teams SAFE through South America

Rachel and Dave (spotted in Japan)
Brendon and Rachel (spotted in Italy, POSSIBLY in Hawaii/could be decoys)
Nary and Jamie (spotted in Tanzania beekeeping)
Ralph and Vanessa (spotted in India)
Kerri and Stacy (spotted in Italy)
Mark and Bopper (spotted in Azerbaijan)
Danny and Joey (spotted repelling in carpark)
Art and JJ (spotted in HAWAII [possibly decoys])

POSSIBLY eliminated in South America

Andrew and Elliott
Dave and Cherie

ELIMINATED

Maiya and Misa


As we know Andrew and Elliott were spotted at the Pit Stop in Paraguay (regardless whether it was an elimination or not)
It means that the next Leg  will be either a

NON ELIMINATION

OR

the ELIMINATION of

DAVE AND CHERIE

Most likely we will be saying goodbye to David and Cherie  :'(  :'(  :'(

I think we will saying goodbye to David and Cherie in ep. 2  and Andrew and Elliot  or Art and JJ(spotted in final 3 ???) in ep. 3..
Joey and Danny   spotted in Italy...at Lingotto...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on February 21, 2012, 05:53:42 AM
If Italy came after Germany,then F7 maybe:
Joey/Danny(seen in Italy)
Nary/Jamie(seen in Africa)
Kerri and Stacy(seen in Italy)
Booper and Mark(seen in Azerbaijan)
Vanessa and Ralph(Seen in India)
Brendon and Rachel(F3)
Dave and Rachel(Seen in Japan)

but there is a chance Germany coming after Italy...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: milanissimo on February 21, 2012, 05:59:28 AM
If Italy came after Germany,then F7 maybe:
Joey/Danny(seen in Italy)
Nary/Jamie(seen in Africa)
Kerri and Stacy(seen in Italy)
Booper and Mark(seen in Azerbaijan)
Vanessa and Ralph(Seen in India)
Brendon and Rachel(F3)
Dave and Rachel(Seen in Japan)

but there is a chance Germany coming after Italy...
Italy is before Germany... :tup:
 We have :Joey and Danny
Nary and Jamie (seen in India )
Brendon and Rachel
Vanessa and Ralph
Kerri and Stacey
Booper and Mark
Dave and Rachel
Art and JJ (not sure 100%)
It's  a  nel
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on February 21, 2012, 08:32:54 AM
And your proof that Italy is first?  Add to the knowledge base please!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DavidJunior on February 21, 2012, 04:56:40 PM
And your proof that Italy is first?  Add to the knowledge base please!

The promos.

Italy is most likely an NEL, seeing that even though Mark/Bopper came in last here, they were spotted (in the promos) in both Azerbaijan (still not 100% confirmed, to my knowledge), and now Nairobi Airport

If Germany were to come before Italy, this leg would be a F7 NEL (excluding the remote possibility of another NEL between B.A. and Germany)

However, we have confirmation of 8 teams making it to Italy:
Joey and Danny (rappelling in the parking garage is in Turin)
Kerri and Stacy (their clip in the promo has also been confirmed as Italy)
Mark and Bopper (seen checking in in Italy; clip in Nairobi airport)
Nary and Jamie (beekeeping task in Tanzania; Nairobi airport clip)
Vanessa and Ralph (Nairobi airport clip; India clip)
Art and JJ (Nairobi airport clip; possible sighting in Hawaii [unconfirmed])
Dave and Rachel (Nairobi clip; Osaka sighting)
Brendon and Rachel (Nairobi clip; Hawaii sighting)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on February 21, 2012, 05:00:57 PM
Remember that while we THINK beekeeping is Tanzania, there is NO confirmation for that yet .

Thanks for the explanation!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: coolio on February 21, 2012, 05:01:45 PM
If That Multilevel car park is in Osaka,then F4 maybe:
Brendon/Rachel,Dave/Rachel,Joey/Danny,Nary/Jamie
I think we found that the car park is in Italy.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on February 21, 2012, 10:18:43 PM
The team spotted in Hawaii should be Art/JJ,clothes matched with EP1 interview(black and dark green)
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/weihen/ArtJJ.jpg)
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/weihen/ArtJJ2.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: hakushu8 on February 21, 2012, 11:02:52 PM
Guh, it pains me to say it but that seems to be the case. I was prepared to like the Guidos and not these two... let's see if my prejudgment of them will change as the episodes go.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on February 22, 2012, 10:19:25 AM
I believe this is the correct thread for the information I am about to present. Obtaining information on beekeeping activity in Tanzania is very difficult.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on February 22, 2012, 10:39:02 AM
I believe this is the correct thread for the information I am about to present. Obtaining information on beekeeping activity in Tanzania is very difficult. What I have is from government studies in either 1992 or 2001, but I think given the nature of this highly decentralized activity they will be adequate for my purpose.

My purpose is to provide a more narrow geographic range for where the beekeeping task we expect to see in the Tanzania episodes or episode. I expect that teams will get to Tanzania overland from Nairobi, so the territory adjacent to that border is the most likely. Here are the regions reported to be the largest ones for beekeeping:

Arusha
Kilimanjaro
Singida
Dodoma
Rukwa
Tabora
Tanga
Mtwara
Lindi

If you recall the geography from AR11 (All-Stars), you can immediately see that Arusha and Kilimanjaro are in those border areas. 

Here are the statistics:
Tanzania Honey Production - High producing areas and Medium producing area
           Annual  Annual
           Potenial Actual
               Tons   Tons
Kahama 4,000   500
Kondoa 3,000    300
Mpanda 8,000 1,500
Kiteto    2,000     250
Sikonge 6,000 2,000
Babati    1,200   150
Urambo  6,000 1,400
Kibondo 4,000    250
Nzega    4,000    400
Handeni 3,000    150
Tabora   5,000  1,200
Kigoma 3,000      100
Chunya  6,000     400
Arumeru 1,500    100
Manyoni  8,000    600
Rufiji       2,500      50
Bukombe 5,000   800
Nkasi      1,500      50
Total 52,000 7,800 in High-Producing areas    21,700 1,400 in Medium-Producing areas

Source: National Beekeeping Programme, 2001.
This information conflicts, as Singida and Lindi honey production was listed in the 2001 study as so low that I truncated it  for space reasons  The regions of Dodma, Rukwa, Tanga, Mtwara did not even make the "really small honey production" list in the 2001 list.

So this is a bit of a conundrum. However, given where Kilimanjaro and Arusha are located, they have a reasonable chance of being the site for a beekeeping task. The previous one in Kibaoni is too far to the west to be reachable without long bus and taxi rides.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on February 22, 2012, 10:52:21 AM
There was also a Bee Keeping Detour in Season 5, Arusha, Tanzania
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on February 22, 2012, 12:05:33 PM
addie,

Not quite. That beekeeping was in Kibaoni as stated in my post above. It takes a long bus ride followed by a long taxi ride to get from Arusha to Kibaoni. Kibaoni is very close to the Lake Manyara Overlook.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on February 22, 2012, 12:57:50 PM
The most recent information for Tanzanian beekeeping states that beekeeping is heaviest in Kilimanjaro (major city Moshi), Arusha ()major city Arusha), Tanga (major city Tanga) and Manyara (major city Babati).

Problems of beekeeping programme are associated with man and his traditions, and with bees, and its enemies.

"Tabora Beekeepers Co-operative Society" (TBCS) was formed in 1962, with 100 beekeepers. Arusha Branch of "Wildlife Conservation Society of Tanzania", is funding "Hadza Beekeeping Scheme", to assist traditional hunters to sus-tainably use their environment through production of honey and wax. Care has to be taken when fire is used during harvest. From TBCS, Kipalapala, in 1991, 86.4 tonnes of "organic" honey were exported to UK and Netherlands. However, in 1995, only 10.6 kg honey was collected. In 1997, the following "Training Courses" were conducted: "How to teach beekeeping in Africa"; "How can we solve the prob-lem of low productivity of East African Beekeeping; "Training in beekeeping", in "Forestry Training Institute", Olmotoni; "Beekeeping in Rural Development", in Njiro Centre and Cardiff Univ., UK. Njiro Centre and B & D are co-operating on a project "Sustainable Beekeeping for Africa", funded by UK, DFID. 1st East Africa Workshop was held on "Tabora Natural Organic Honey", gathered without smoke. Nearly all honey is exported. Stored honey for a long time which means high HMF can sell as industrial honey with lower prices.

Traditional beekeeping among Wameru people of northern Tanzania. Social aspects of Ngindo beekeeping, "Tanzania-Canada Beekeeping Project" with CIDA, honey hunting and beekeeping situation in Tanga region, use of modern hives in development programme were summarized[32].

Traditional beekeeping in Tanzania, is done side by side with other socio-economic activities. Stocking of traditional hive is left to chance, excepting baited hives. Maximum occupancy in: Lindi, Mtwara, Rungwa Game Reserve, where Tanzanian traditional hives and Tanzanian commercial hives are used with: baiting, transferring swarms, dividing established colonies, and using of emergency queen rearing during April and June, in lower plains and mountains. Beekeeping industry plays an important part of the economy of arid areas.

"Arusha Beekeepers Association", held a meeting in October 1993. At Tabora, 1994, was a poor year for honey production. In this honey area, the estimated harvest of 360 tonnes could not be obtained due to lack of rain, and less than a tonne was harvested. Training in "Tropical Beekeeping" was conducted in Njiro Centre, in 1996. Fair rains, in 1999, were giving hope that the harvest would be good. TBCS were awaiting June for harvesting honey from Madaha's apiary in Malongwe Forest. The "let alone" method is discouraged by many beekeepers, but still the easiest way for catching swarms."Arumeru Beekeepers Society", Usa River, and "Tree Planting Foundation" are promoting beekeeping in Usa River, Arusha.

In Tarangaire and Manyra National Parks, bees nests are located in hollow trees.

Honey production in Tanzania is dependant on small holders beekeepers, using traditional hives for African honeybees. Over 95% of beekeeping is practised in Savannah Forests "Miombo Woodlands", the rest is carried out in banana and coffee plantations, and where trees are used for hanging hives. Average productiv-ity A. m. scutellata colony/year, using traditional hives, was 15 kg honey and 1 kg wax. Suggested formula for calculation of honey production using wax figures was discussed. Traditional uses of honey and wax in making remedies used to cure various diseases were summarized. A floral calender for beekeeping in North Tanzania was worked-up.

Output honey is mostly brewed into a special beer for Masai ceremonies or exported.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on February 24, 2012, 12:28:40 AM
Now we know Italy is Leg 4 and we’re assuming it is a non-elimination Leg as Mark and Bopper were the last to check in in Turin and they are seen racing later in Azerbaijan. This is probably the first of three NELs/TBCs. That would mean Legs 2 & 3 are elimination Legs. That would mean Leg 4 has 8 teams racing. Based on evidence we know those 8 teams are:

Rachel and Brendon (spotted in Kenya Airport [preview], Honolulu)
Dave and Rachel (spotted in Japan)
Nary and Jamie (spotted in Tanzania [preview])
Vanessa and Ralph (spotted in India [preview])
Kerri and Stacy (spotted in Italy [preview])
Mark and Bopper (spotted in Kenya Airport [preview])
Joey and Danny (spotted in Italy [preview])
Art and J.J. (spotted in Kenya Airport [preview], Honolulu)


Elliott and Andrew have been spotted at the Pit Stop in Paraguay (Leg 3)
Dave and Cherie have not been sighted past Leg 2

Basically were are 99% sure that:

Dave and Cherie will be eliminated Leg 2
Elliott and Andrew will be eliminated Leg 3

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: amazinglatinoamericafan on February 24, 2012, 02:09:54 AM
Now we know Italy is Leg 4 and we’re assuming it is a non-elimination Leg as Mark and Bopper were the last to check in in Turin and they are seen racing later in Azerbaijan. This is probably the first of three NELs/TBCs. That would mean Legs 2 & 3 are elimination Legs. That would mean Leg 4 has 8 teams racing. Based on evidence we know those 8 teams are:

Rachel and Brendon (spotted in Kenya Airport [preview], Honolulu)
Dave and Rachel (spotted in Japan)
Nary and Jamie (spotted in Tanzania [preview])
Vanessa and Ralph (spotted in India [preview])
Kerri and Stacy (spotted in Italy [preview])
Mark and Bopper (spotted in Kenya Airport [preview])
Joey and Danny (spotted in Italy [preview])
Art and J.J. (spotted in Kenya Airport [preview], Honolulu)


Elliott and Andrew have been spotted at the Pit Stop in Paraguay (Leg 3)
Dave and Cherie have not been sighted past Leg 2

Basically were are 99% sure that:

Dave and Cherie will be eliminated Leg 2
Elliott and Andrew will be eliminated







Nary and Jaimie also aré in Kenya airport i saw in the preview of the season             
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on February 24, 2012, 06:31:04 AM
ROUTE TAR-20....

*MY SPEC*




(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/route-20.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on February 24, 2012, 06:37:53 AM
Now we know Italy is Leg 4 and we’re assuming it is a non-elimination Leg as Mark and Bopper were the last to check in in Turin and they are seen racing later in Azerbaijan. This is probably the first of three NELs/TBCs. That would mean Legs 2 & 3 are elimination Legs. That would mean Leg 4 has 8 teams racing. Based on evidence we know those 8 teams are:

Rachel and Brendon (spotted in Kenya Airport [preview], Honolulu)
Dave and Rachel (spotted in Japan)
Nary and Jamie (spotted in Tanzania [preview])
Vanessa and Ralph (spotted in India [preview])
Kerri and Stacy (spotted in Italy [preview])
Mark and Bopper (spotted in Kenya Airport [preview])
Joey and Danny (spotted in Italy [preview])
Art and J.J. (spotted in Kenya Airport [preview], Honolulu)


Elliott and Andrew have been spotted at the Pit Stop in Paraguay (Leg 3)
Dave and Cherie have not been sighted past Leg 2

Basically were are 99% sure that:

Dave and Cherie will be eliminated Leg 2
Elliott and Andrew will be eliminated Leg 3



I agree and taking it a step further, there are four legs between Turin and Kerala so the first India leg probably consists of the final five. Since we know that:

Rachel and Brendon (spotted in Honolulu)
Dave and Rachel (spotted in Japan)
Vanessa and Ralph (spotted in India [preview])
Art and J.J. (spotted in Honolulu)

Only one other team besides these make it to India. We know Mark and Bopper make it to Azerbaijan, so one team that is not them is eliminated in Germany and one more team that is not them is eliminated in one of the Africa legs. The other Africa leg must be an NEL because five teams need to make it to India. The two teams eliminated in Germany and the first Africa leg must be Kerri and Stacey and the guidos. The possible caveat is that Nary and Jaime were eliminated on that leg we have a clip of them from. So there are two teams that are not the big four above that make it to Azerbaijan. One is Mark and Bopper and the other is the guidos or the agents. One of these teams is eliminated here and the other makes it to India. In India either that mystery team or Ralph and Vanessa are eliminated. The one of these that is not eliminated could make the final three if you think Dave and Rachel are being eliminated in those Osaka pitstop photos.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on February 24, 2012, 07:04:01 AM
Now we know Italy is Leg 4 and we’re assuming it is a non-elimination Leg as Mark and Bopper were the last to check in in Turin and they are seen racing later in Azerbaijan. This is probably the first of three NELs/TBCs. That would mean Legs 2 & 3 are elimination Legs. That would mean Leg 4 has 8 teams racing. Based on evidence we know those 8 teams are:

Rachel and Brendon (spotted in Kenya Airport [preview], Honolulu)
Dave and Rachel (spotted in Japan)
Nary and Jamie (spotted in Tanzania [preview])
Vanessa and Ralph (spotted in India [preview])
Kerri and Stacy (spotted in Italy [preview])
Mark and Bopper (spotted in Kenya Airport [preview])
Joey and Danny (spotted in Italy [preview])
Art and J.J. (spotted in Kenya Airport [preview], Honolulu)


Elliott and Andrew have been spotted at the Pit Stop in Paraguay (Leg 3)
Dave and Cherie have not been sighted past Leg 2

Basically were are 99% sure that:

Dave and Cherie will be eliminated Leg 2
Elliott and Andrew will be eliminated Leg 3



I agree and taking it a step further, there are four legs between Turin and Kerala so the first India leg probably consists of the final five. Since we know that:

Rachel and Brendon (spotted in Honolulu)
Dave and Rachel (spotted in Japan)
Vanessa and Ralph (spotted in India [preview])
Art and J.J. (spotted in Honolulu)

Only one other team besides these make it to India. We know Mark and Bopper make it to Azerbaijan, so one team that is not them is eliminated in Germany and one more team that is not them is eliminated in one of the Africa legs. The other Africa leg must be an NEL because five teams need to make it to India. The two teams eliminated in Germany and the first Africa leg must be Kerri and Stacey and the guidos. The possible caveat is that Nary and Jaime were eliminated on that leg we have a clip of them from. So there are two teams that are not the big four above that make it to Azerbaijan. One is Mark and Bopper and the other is the guidos or the agents. One of these teams is eliminated here and the other makes it to India. In India either that mystery team or Ralph and Vanessa are eliminated. The one of these that is not eliminated could make the final three if you think Dave and Rachel are being eliminated in those Osaka pitstop photos.
I remember  Azerbaijan coming before Africa? I think Kerri/Stacy and Guidos emilinated in Germany and Azerbaijan,then F6 fly to Africa.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Detoured on February 24, 2012, 11:34:54 PM
I was looking through this thread, and unless I missed it, I didn't see any discussion of this photo (from the bspencer413 flickr photostream account):

(http://i40.[banned image hosting site].com/34g581z.jpg)

Has this team been speculatively ID'd?

I have several observations about this photo...

1) The team seen in the photos is on the far right set of cables, and in the photos where team Brenchel was clearly identifiable, they were on the far left set of cables.

2) Judging from the distance between the two team members, the lower one was having a hard time and likely took at least twice the  time (or more) to reach the top as the other team member.

3) Brenchel is nowhere to be seen in this photo, but in one that is timestamped just 16 minutes later, they are seen almost at the top of the building.

Comments?

(Note: there is a much higher resolution version of this picture on the photographer's flickr account)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kirby on February 25, 2012, 12:56:37 AM
I have been lurking here a while and just registered.  Where has that photo been?  The lower person is wearing a red shirt so it has to be team 3.  The top looks very similar to the one Rachel(Rachel and Dave) is wearing at the starting line.

Also it looks like there are 2 bags hanging down from the building maybe counterweights or something.  On the other ropes those bags are at the top of the building.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on February 25, 2012, 01:54:14 AM
I have been lurking here a while and just registered.  Where has that photo been?  The lower person is wearing a red shirt so it has to be team 3.  The top looks very similar to the one Rachel(Rachel and Dave) is wearing at the starting line.

Also it looks like there are 2 bags hanging down from the building maybe counterweights or something.  On the other ropes those bags are at the top of the building.

 :bigwelcome welcome to the family!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: cattychic on February 26, 2012, 11:15:10 AM
I have been lurking here a while and just registered.  Where has that photo been?  The lower person is wearing a red shirt so it has to be team 3.  The top looks very similar to the one Rachel(Rachel and Dave) is wearing at the starting line.

Also it looks like there are 2 bags hanging down from the building maybe counterweights or something.  On the other ropes those bags are at the top of the building.

Look's like Dave and Rachel to me also. Guess we know who final 3 are now.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: slpdx on February 26, 2012, 12:04:07 PM
I have been lurking here a while and just registered.  Where has that photo been?  The lower person is wearing a red shirt so it has to be team 3.  The top looks very similar to the one Rachel(Rachel and Dave) is wearing at the starting line.

Also it looks like there are 2 bags hanging down from the building maybe counterweights or something.  On the other ropes those bags are at the top of the building.

Look's like Dave and Rachel to me also. Guess we know who final 3 are now.

Yes, this is what I'm thinking too.  I have the feeling the teams who finished 1,2,3 last week are just going to swap positions all race and be there together at the end.  Actually the teams that finished in the top 5 in leg 1 are all really strong and I wouldn't be surprised if they are the top 5 at the end as well.  Sadly, the bottom 6 may just drop 1x1.  I hope not though....that would make for a very loooonnng race.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: north09 on February 26, 2012, 12:06:00 PM
I have been lurking here a while and just registered.  Where has that photo been?  The lower person is wearing a red shirt so it has to be team 3.  The top looks very similar to the one Rachel(Rachel and Dave) is wearing at the starting line.

Also it looks like there are 2 bags hanging down from the building maybe counterweights or something.  On the other ropes those bags are at the top of the building.

Look's like Dave and Rachel to me also. Guess we know who final 3 are now.

All I see in that photo is a building with some ropes hanging down it. I see no racers what so ever. The only racers we can see in that photo set are Brendon & Rachel and presumably Art & JJ. The third team could still be anybody.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on February 26, 2012, 12:28:42 PM
ROUTE TAR-20....

*MY SPEC*




(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff397/farhan_zouly/route-20.jpg)
I also think that this is the route for The Amazing Race 20.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on February 26, 2012, 12:51:51 PM
TARFanSurvivor and Zouly,,

Your map shows 10 pinpoints while 12 legs are needed for AR20. You must specify where the extra 3 legs will be to gain confidence that your list of countries is complete. I will agree with you if you say Tanzania, but not for any other country you have pinpointed. I believe there are still 2 unknown countries in AR20, all of them repeats from prior races.

Those may all be repeats of other countries in AR20, perhaps Tanzania or maybe Japan.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on February 26, 2012, 01:00:45 PM
TARFanSurvivor,

Your map shows 9 pinpoints while 12 legs are needed for AR20. You must specify where the extra 3 legs will be to gain confidence that your list of countries is complete. I will agree with you if you say Tanzania, but not for any other country you have pinpointed. I believe there are still 2 unknown countries in AR20, all of them repeats from prior races.
Thanks apskip i think that
Leg 5 is Germany
Leg 6 and 7 is Azerbaijan
Leg 8 is Tanzania
Leg 9 is India
Leg 10 and 11 Japan or maybe 2 legs in Tanzania, i think that Germany and India will only have one leg.
Hope that you like my answar.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on February 26, 2012, 01:05:56 PM
I have been lurking here a while and just registered.  Where has that photo been?  The lower person is wearing a red shirt so it has to be team 3.  The top looks very similar to the one Rachel(Rachel and Dave) is wearing at the starting line.

Also it looks like there are 2 bags hanging down from the building maybe counterweights or something.  On the other ropes those bags are at the top of the building.

Look's like Dave and Rachel to me also. Guess we know who final 3 are now.

All I see in that photo is a building with some ropes hanging down it. I see no racers what so ever. The only racers we can see in that photo set are Brendon & Rachel and presumably Art & JJ. The third team could still be anybody.

Actually if you zoom in on the high res copy you can see it pretty good:

(http://i.imgur.com/OPv7G.jpg?7538)

(http://i.imgur.com/TUJRW.jpg)

Top person:

(http://i.imgur.com/WjReq.jpg?9985)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on February 26, 2012, 01:08:49 PM
TARFanSurvivor and Zouly,,

Your map shows 9 pinpoints while 12 legs are needed for AR20. You must specify where the extra 3 legs will be to gain confidence that your list of countries is complete. I will agree with you if you say Tanzania, but not for any other country you have pinpointed. I believe there are still 2 unknown countries in AR20, all of them repeats from prior races.


A lot of new info came out of the future episodes promo, that discussion is here:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26886.0.html
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on February 26, 2012, 01:13:27 PM
This picture is taken 13 minutes after the one with the mystery team: http://www.flickr.com/photos/78286753@N00/6540491345/

All of the other Brenchel pics are taken later than that.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on February 26, 2012, 03:12:05 PM
TARFanSurvivor,

Your map shows 9 pinpoints while 12 legs are needed for AR20. You must specify where the extra 3 legs will be to gain confidence that your list of countries is complete. I will agree with you if you say Tanzania, but not for any other country you have pinpointed. I believe there are still 2 unknown countries in AR20, all of them repeats from prior races.
Thanks apskip i think that
Leg 5 is Germany
Leg 6 and 7 is Azerbaijan
Leg 8 is Tanzania
Leg 9 is India
Leg 10 and 11 Japan or maybe 2 legs in Tanzania, i think that Germany and India will only have one leg.
Hope that you like my answar.

TARFanSurvivor,

It's close. 2 legs in Tanzania and 2 in Japan are strong possibilities. I agree that Germany will have only one leg, but who known on India. I really can't envision having 2 legs in Azerbaijan but that it is possibility. Some unknown countries from a list of previously visited countries (South Korea, Thailand, China, Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam, Oman, Dubai, Sri Lanka, Cambodia are among them) are also possibilities. We have to wait unless some hard evidence clarifies what the final route is.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kirby on February 26, 2012, 03:14:38 PM
This picture is taken 13 minutes after the one with the mystery team: http://www.flickr.com/photos/78286753@N00/6540491345/

All of the other Brenchel pics are taken later than that.

If the time stamps on the photos are correct it means the mystery team (Dave and Rachel) reached the roof first followed by Brenchel with Art and JJ in third.  It also means Brenchel spent almost 50 minutes on the roof.  Long prep times or rooftop challenge?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on February 26, 2012, 03:58:22 PM
I really can't envision having 2 legs in Azerbaijan but that it is possibility.

I THINK that Azerbaijan is ONE leg.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on February 26, 2012, 05:49:39 PM
This picture is taken 13 minutes after the one with the mystery team: http://www.flickr.com/photos/78286753@N00/6540491345/

All of the other Brenchel pics are taken later than that.

If the time stamps on the photos are correct it means the mystery team (Dave and Rachel) reached the roof first followed by Brenchel with Art and JJ in third.  It also means Brenchel spent almost 50 minutes on the roof.  Long prep times or rooftop challenge?

Did we ever get a time stamp from the Art/JJ pics? I can't find the originals.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kirby on February 26, 2012, 11:34:15 PM
I think Art and JJ are third because of the counterweights and the bright white ropes that you can see in the pic.  After the team passes the rope is gone.  i don't see them in the art JJ pic.  No time stamp needed.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Detoured on February 27, 2012, 12:52:31 AM
This picture is taken 13 minutes after the one with the mystery team: http://www.flickr.com/photos/78286753@N00/6540491345/

All of the other Brenchel pics are taken later than that.

If the time stamps on the photos are correct it means the mystery team (Dave and Rachel) reached the roof first followed by Brenchel with Art and JJ in third.  It also means Brenchel spent almost 50 minutes on the roof.  Long prep times or rooftop challenge?

That may or may not be true. From the  the photos we know the following:

1) The timestamps on photos of mystery team (Dave & Rachel?) gives us the best evidence that they were the first to start ascending the cables.

2) Mystery team had one member severely lagging the lead member on the ascent (having covered less than half the distance up the building while the lead member was almost at the top).

3) In the same set of photos, team Brenchel was seen almost at the top of the building just 16 minutes later.

4) Team Brenchel was the only team that the same photographer captured descending the building.

Based on point #2 above, plus point # 3... fact that team Brenchel both were at the top just 16 minutes after the lagging partner of mystery team still had more than half way to go, when combined with point #4, I think it's likely that team Brenchel overtook mystery team on the way up the building and was the first team to both reach the top , and therefore the first team to start descending.

The only thing that doesn't compute in this scenario is that the timestamps of team Brenchel descending are 50 minutes after they were almost at the top while ascending. Why the almost one hour delay between the near end of the ascension and the beginning of the descension?  But on the other hand, why no pictures of the mystery team descending if they were the first team to do so?

I wonder if the photographer could give us more details. I noticed that on the photographer's flicker account page there is button to "send flickrmail" to him. Does anyone here who has a flickr account want to try to "flickrmail" him to see if he can provide more details of what he saw that day?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paridy on February 27, 2012, 06:49:36 AM
Do you think it was the same photographer, there were two photographers taking pictures that day, one took Brenchel's pic the other the M/M team? I checked the guy who took Brenchel's pics they were no other pics of any other teams that day unless I am missing something? :umn:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on February 27, 2012, 07:36:29 AM
Leg 4 episode quote is: "Taste your Salami" (Turin, Italy)

So Turin is before Germany :)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on February 27, 2012, 07:44:35 AM
Do you think it was the same photographer, there were two photographers taking pictures that day, one took Brenchel's pic the other the M/M team? I checked the guy who took Brenchel's pics they were no other pics of any other teams that day unless I am missing something? :umn:

I know that bspencer from flickr took the pics of Brenchel and the mystery team and that some guy on Twitter took the pics of Art and JJ.


I wonder if the photographer could give us more details. I noticed that on the photographer's flicker account page there is button to "send flickrmail" to him. Does anyone here who has a flickr account want to try to "flickrmail" him to see if he can provide more details of what he saw that day?

If someone does this, could they post here so that he doesn't get tons of people messaging him :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: michael on February 27, 2012, 09:42:10 PM
I think you should talk to peach before messaging anybody on flickr. I'm sure she's already done everything she could.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on February 28, 2012, 10:28:52 AM
I think you should talk to peach before messaging anybody on flickr. I'm sure she's already done everything she could.

I was the one who stumbled upon bspencer's pictures and I recall that he was contacted at the time. I wouldn't recommend hitting him with more questions as I'm fairly sure we did that a couple of months back.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: BlooperGuy on March 09, 2012, 11:24:04 PM
You need to quote what you are looking at maybe?? All that seems to not be correct to me. You can do that in speculation, this thread is just for ep 4, where we know they come in first. :tup:

Yeah whoops. Something went wrong. Still, Art and JJ are gone at some point. Probably not this leg, but the next. Foresee double U-turn next leg. Sorry I know you hate me doing this but there's no Episode 5 thread.

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: cattychic on March 09, 2012, 11:49:05 PM
You need to quote what you are looking at maybe?? All that seems to not be correct to me. You can do that in speculation, this thread is just for ep 4, where we know they come in first. :tup:

Yeah whoops. Something went wrong. Still, Art and JJ are gone at some point. Probably not this leg, but the next. Foresee double U-turn next leg. Sorry I know you hate me doing this but there's no Episode 5 thread.

Yes I agree , Art & Jj are gone at some point ....................................................After they win the whole damn thing !!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: eddiethejet on March 09, 2012, 11:55:22 PM
why do you assume that art and jj are gone so early?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on March 10, 2012, 02:34:41 AM
 I think   based on clothes matched in Hawaii...Art/JJ made to F3...but it is just spec.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on March 10, 2012, 04:35:26 AM
I think   based on clothes matched in Hawaii...Art/JJ made to F3...but it is just spec.

Leg-3 Curse "usually" made team on Final 3 and get 3rd place or second at its best...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on March 10, 2012, 06:21:40 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/wave26/episode.jpg)

And will Brenchel's romance last the season?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: selkie on March 10, 2012, 08:40:34 AM


If the time stamps on the photos are correct it means the mystery team (Dave and Rachel) reached the roof first followed by Brenchel with Art and JJ in third.  It also means Brenchel spent almost 50 minutes on the roof.  Long prep times or rooftop challenge?

Some of the mandatory safety briefings for tasks can be quite long, and since they don't make good television, we never see them on screen.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 10, 2012, 08:55:50 AM
I think   based on clothes matched in Hawaii...Art/JJ made to F3...but it is just spec.

Leg-3 Curse "usually" made team on Final 3 and get 3rd place or second at its best...

also based on their edit, I would spec they are in the F3 as well.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kungfuwomn on March 10, 2012, 11:23:20 AM
Not just cuz im a fan and i dont follow the other teams if they are twitter or other social media but after following them for over 2 yrs their is just something about them post TAR.Obviously they haven't said anything or hinted how they have done.But i do notice brendon has spent less time on social media and even Rachel is not on that much, i think that it is a way not to accidently tell people if they won.Since post race she has started her new project with her sister now i know she was going to start it,but i would start if i knew i had won a lot money,thats just me?And just other little things like that make me think they won.Now they could just be happy cuz they came in 2nd and had a great time together but just a gut feeling they won.Plus they need the money more then the other two teams i think are in the top 3 since Rachel doesnt have a steady job and Brendon is doing his PHD plus they need to support Benz!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Squall16 on March 10, 2012, 11:52:00 AM
Rachel got a 1,000,000 dollars from Big Brother :/ Out of any of the teams Art/JJ would need it more? Dave/Rachel have military benefits?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on March 10, 2012, 11:56:48 AM
Rachel got a 1,000,000 dollars from Big Brother :/ Out of any of the teams Art/JJ would need it more? Dave/Rachel have military benefits?

500,000
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 10, 2012, 12:09:06 PM
Dave/Rachel have military benefits?

from a broke government :res: :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: choroneko on March 10, 2012, 12:16:27 PM
Rachel got a 1,000,000 dollars from Big Brother :/ Out of any of the teams Art/JJ would need it more? Dave/Rachel have military benefits?

Mark and Bopper & Kerri and Stacey would need the money most of all teams.

I wish there would be 2 legs in Japan, Osaka & Kyoto.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on March 10, 2012, 03:07:50 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/wave26/episode.jpg)

And will Brenchel's romance last the season?

This sounds like a Kerri/Stacey struggling/elimination quote.  :'(
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Harry4 on March 10, 2012, 04:28:15 PM
 :ghug: I don't know why people are saying that Art&JJ get eliminated soon, I have never seen pictures of previous season where a team that gets eliminated early is doing a task for the final 3, they would be in sequeaterville or at the finish line waiting not doing the final tasks. Also I have not seen any pictures of teams that finish 4th - 6th doing these either. As far as we can see  Art&JJ
and unfortunately the big brother team make it into the final 3.

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 10, 2012, 04:45:16 PM
I would speculate that the F3 consists of Team Army, Team Border Patrol, and Team Big Brother
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on March 10, 2012, 04:51:41 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/wave26/episode.jpg)

And will Brenchel's romance last the season?

This sounds like a Kerri/Stacey struggling/elimination quote.  :'(


i agree with this statement, it sounds like they are saying it indirectly to a fellow team
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 10, 2012, 05:03:11 PM
I think Kerri and Stacey are eliminated in Germany.[/spec]
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on March 10, 2012, 05:33:21 PM
I would speculate that the F3 consists of Team Army/Jersey Boys, Team Border Patrol, and Team Big Brother
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 10, 2012, 07:07:31 PM
Why Jersey instead of Army? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on March 10, 2012, 08:07:54 PM
I would speculate that the F3 consists of Team Army/Jersey Boys, Team Border Patrol, and Team Big Brother
The mystery team's clothes matched with Dave/Rachel in Leg2.

PS:Based on edit.I spec Booper/Mark maybe 4th(just spec)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on March 10, 2012, 08:41:43 PM


This sounds like a Kerri/Stacey struggling/elimination quote.  :'(

Them or Bopper and Mark... and for all we know they could be talking about Ludwigs bedroom!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: LoveRocked on March 10, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
I would speculate that the F3 consists of Team Army/Jersey Boys, Team Border Patrol, and Team Big Brother
The mystery team's clothes matched with Dave/Rachel in Leg2.

PS:Based on edit.I spec Booper/Mark maybe 4th(just spec)

Where you find this match picture of Dave/Rachel in Leg 2?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on March 11, 2012, 04:00:36 AM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/wave26/episode.jpg)

And will Brenchel's romance last the season?

This sounds like a Kerri/Stacey struggling/elimination quote.  :'(

They cut off the sentence... it's supposed to read "You're Uglier than a Mud Rail Fence" Speculation, either Vanessa or Rachel said it.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on March 11, 2012, 04:27:49 AM
I would speculate that the F3 consists of Team Army/Jersey Boys, Team Border Patrol, and Team Big Brother
The mystery team's clothes matched with Dave/Rachel in Leg2.

PS:Based on edit.I spec Booper/Mark maybe 4th(just spec)

Where you find this match picture of Dave/Rachel in Leg 2?
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/weihen/2.jpg)
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/weihen/3-1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TUJRW.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WjReq.jpg?9985)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on March 11, 2012, 04:48:45 AM
I would speculate that the F3 consists of Team Army/Jersey Boys, Team Border Patrol, and Team Big Brother
The mystery team's clothes matched with Dave/Rachel in Leg2.

PS:Based on edit.I spec Booper/Mark maybe 4th(just spec)

Where you find this match picture of Dave/Rachel in Leg 2?
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/weihen/2.jpg) (http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/weihen/3-1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TUJRW.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/WjReq.jpg?9985)


oh wow, this could be our F3...  :oh
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 11, 2012, 07:33:55 AM


This sounds like a Kerri/Stacey struggling/elimination quote.  :'(

Them or Bopper and Mark... and for all we know they could be talking about Ludwigs bedroom!!

except that Bopper and Mark are spotted in Azerbaijan.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on March 11, 2012, 08:47:32 AM
We are talking about who SAID the quote I thought? We already know/believe this to be a NEL.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on March 11, 2012, 08:58:25 AM
We are talking about who SAID the quote I thought? We already know/believe this to be a NEL.

Actually we spec Leg 4 is a NEL, "Uglier than a Mud Rail Fence" is the quote for leg 5.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on March 11, 2012, 09:08:33 AM
Yes, I am combining my legs, thanks!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: LoveRocked on March 11, 2012, 04:27:10 PM
I would speculate that the F3 consists of Team Army/Jersey Boys, Team Border Patrol, and Team Big Brother
The mystery team's clothes matched with Dave/Rachel in Leg2.

PS:Based on edit.I spec Booper/Mark maybe 4th(just spec)

Where you find this match picture of Dave/Rachel in Leg 2?
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/weihen/2.jpg) (http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/weihen/3-1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TUJRW.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/WjReq.jpg?9985)


oh wow, this could be our F3...  :oh

WOW!! Team Army make it through F3!  :stare :o
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: cattychic on March 11, 2012, 05:20:05 PM
Question , do they alway's begin the next leg with the team's starting exactly the time between each team they checked in.....i.e Art and JJ were ahead by like 4 hour's so will they have a four hour lead tonight ?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on March 11, 2012, 05:57:27 PM
Until the first flight lumps them all! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on March 11, 2012, 06:54:46 PM
There is unfortunately no consistency on that. Some legs have all pit stop release times listed and others do not. No rationale is given, so it's take it or leave it.

Art & JJ will have a lead of perhaps one to two hours over the next 3 teams according to my calculations.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 12, 2012, 01:06:23 PM
Not sure where to put this but for some reason TVGuide has an unusual amount of info already about the Azerbaijan leg.

Quote
The race continues in Azerbaijan where teams take part in a helicopter evacuation training exercise. At a Detour, teams must scrub excess oil off of some very hairy bathers.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on March 12, 2012, 08:18:18 PM
And LeafsFan has both of those confirmed from another source as well. Their time of release sucks, lol!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on March 12, 2012, 10:19:55 PM
Not sure where to put this but for some reason TVGuide has an unusual amount of info already about the Azerbaijan leg.

Quote
The race continues in Azerbaijan where teams take part in a helicopter evacuation training exercise. At a Detour, teams must scrub excess oil off of some very hairy bathers.

That detour sounds quite gross!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on March 12, 2012, 11:26:13 PM
Not sure where to put this but for some reason TVGuide has an unusual amount of info already about the Azerbaijan leg.

Quote
The race continues in Azerbaijan where teams take part in a helicopter evacuation training exercise. At a Detour, teams must scrub excess oil off of some very hairy bathers.

That detour sounds quite gross!

Paldog's prediciton leg on TAR Design challenge 2 game almost had it... He put the oil bath thing in a Detour...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 13, 2012, 06:53:06 AM
Paldog is good at predicting TAR in games. Look at his first race and it's similarity to TAR 19.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on March 13, 2012, 02:41:36 PM
Not sure where to put this but for some reason TVGuide has an unusual amount of info already about the Azerbaijan leg.

Quote
The race continues in Azerbaijan where teams take part in a helicopter evacuation training exercise. At a Detour, teams must scrub excess oil off of some very hairy bathers.

That detour sounds quite gross!

Paldog's prediciton leg on TAR Design challenge 2 game almost had it... He put the oil bath thing in a Detour...

That wasn't mine... I am pretty sure it was Mug's. I did the far-fetched Osaka leg. :lol:

And yes, I predicted TAR 19. :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: BlooperGuy on March 15, 2012, 12:57:25 AM
 :wohoo:

Glad Bretchel and Federal Agents (supposedly) make it to F3, but maybe Mark and Bopper instead of Art And JJ. Just for the heart.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on March 15, 2012, 01:14:54 AM
:wohoo:

Glad Bretchel and Federal Agents (supposedly) make it to F3, but maybe Mark and Bopper instead of Art And JJ. Just for the heart.

where is the evidence for the Federal Agents (Nary and Jamie) making it to the F3?   :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kirby on March 15, 2012, 02:20:18 AM
Based on the evidence I am 99% sure it is:

Art-J.J.   
Rachel-Dave     1 2 and 3 any order
Brendon-Rachel
   
Vanessa-Ralph   4 or 5

Nary-Jamie        4 5 or 6
 
Mark-Bopper     4 5 or 6


Joey-Danny      7 and 8 any order
Kerri-Stacy
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kungfuwomn on March 15, 2012, 03:39:34 AM
Now that I know that Brenchel is in top3 and as much as I love them and am so happy they are on the show because I stopped watching last season at F4 didn't care for teams or who won the race.The Big head border patrol and the boring rachel team are my least favorite teams and I would think this season a bust if any of those teams win over Brenchel.I'm just waiting until I can read spoiler on who won the race.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on March 15, 2012, 04:06:20 PM
Not sure where to put this but for some reason TVGuide has an unusual amount of info already about the Azerbaijan leg.

Quote
The race continues in Azerbaijan where teams take part in a helicopter evacuation training exercise. At a Detour, teams must scrub excess oil off of some very hairy bathers.
Gonna waite and see if it is 1 or 2 legs there.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: BlooperGuy on March 15, 2012, 07:18:08 PM
:wohoo:

Glad Bretchel and Federal Agents (supposedly) make it to F3, but maybe Mark and Bopper instead of Art And JJ. Just for the heart.

where is the evidence for the Federal Agents (Nary and Jamie) making it to the F3?   :duno:


I would speculate that the F3 consists of Team Army, Team Border Patrol, and Team Big Brother

Oh whoops.  :nm:

I mistook Nary and Jamie for Team Army on Prophet's post. Guess we have to keep our hopes down for a all-female win this season.

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on March 19, 2012, 04:13:18 PM
SOMEONE WROTE THIS ON THE WIKIPEDIA PAGE, IS THIS TRUE????

Future legs
Leg 6 (Germany → Azerbaijan)[9]
Baku, Azerbaijan

Leg 7 (Azerbaijan → Israel)
Tel Aviv, Israel
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 19, 2012, 04:15:06 PM
not likely :lol: next is Tanzania

unless there's only one Tanzania leg ??? or only one India leg ???
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on March 19, 2012, 04:16:46 PM
I just saw that and i was ready to brought it up , if this is true , than  :

Israel
Tanzania
Tanzania
India
Japan

?????
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on March 19, 2012, 04:20:38 PM
not likely :lol: next is Tanzania

unless there's only one Tanzania leg ??? or only one India leg ???


but is the Israel a credible source?? or is someone messing around and wrote it for fun???
we need to find out if this is true
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on March 19, 2012, 04:20:45 PM
Unless TAR wants to give us a huge surprise, I unfortunantly think that we will probably not see Israel this time around.

Since it is such a unique country (and wanted to be seen by a TON of people), they probably would have had it in the press release.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on March 19, 2012, 04:22:22 PM
I just saw that and i was ready to brought it up ,if this is true , than  :

Israel
Tanzania
Tanzania
India
Japan

?????
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on March 19, 2012, 04:32:06 PM
I do not think it is true. :'( :'( :'( :'(
I hope to see it in the future, and see two legs there and one in Jordan where they also visited Petra!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on March 19, 2012, 04:54:32 PM
My spec. is that Tanzania is this season's no-break leg. Then we only need South America with a no-break leg!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Lucybell on March 19, 2012, 05:16:53 PM
I do not think it is true. :'( :'( :'( :'(
I hope to see it in the future, and see two legs there and one in Jordan where they also visited Petra!

I don't forsee Israel anytime in the near future... things are heating up over there.  It's not safe. JMO
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on March 23, 2012, 07:31:14 PM
TV Guide states Episode 7 will be in Tanzania.

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/amazing-race-20-2012/episode-7-season-20/amazing-race-20/339585
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on March 23, 2012, 09:31:35 PM
Episode 8: possibly Tanzania II
Episode 9: Uganda
Episode 10: India
Episode 11: Japan and Hawaii (finale)

Ta-da!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on March 23, 2012, 10:29:54 PM
Episode 8: possibly Tanzania II
Episode 9: Uganda
Episode 10: India
Episode 11: Japan and Hawaii (finale)

Ta-da!

Uganda would be pure spec at this point. As apskip has suggested a country in Asia previously visited by the Race is likely or a double leg in Japan.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on March 23, 2012, 11:52:20 PM
I seriously doubt the Race would have filmed in Uganda, it's one of the three countries still dealing with the Kony rebellion.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on March 24, 2012, 03:43:51 AM
Episode 8: possibly Tanzania II
Episode 9: Uganda
Episode 10: India
Episode 11: Japan and Hawaii (finale)

Ta-da!

Uganda would be pure spec at this point. As apskip has suggested a country in Asia previously visited by the Race is likely or a double leg in Japan.

Or how about double leg in India?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on March 24, 2012, 08:40:04 AM
Episode 8: possibly Tanzania II
Episode 9: Uganda
Episode 10: India
Episode 11: Japan and Hawaii (finale)

Ta-da!

Uganda would be pure spec at this point. As apskip has suggested a country in Asia previously visited by the Race is likely or a double leg in Japan.

Or how about double leg in India?
Two legs in Japan make more sense  to me...since we know they possibly went to Kyoto and Osaka from intro
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on March 24, 2012, 11:47:59 AM
Last season, teams only spent one leg in Panama before heading to Atlanta.

As I recall south India (which IIRC is the speculated locale) has been a little more difficult to fly out of than other parts of India with more numerous international connections. It would make sense to me for two legs to be filmed there (with a minimum pit stop) and that would allow the legs to be laid out in a way to get teams on flights to Japan.

The other thing about Japan is that the producers would want flights that are direct towards Osaka (again the speculated locale) so as to avoid the areas north and northeast of Tokyo which were heavily damaged by the earthwuake, tsunami, and nuclear disaster. That, presumably means the teams would likely be going to an international airport on the west coast of Japan.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on March 24, 2012, 12:32:08 PM
Is there a way I can disagree more with the schnauzer's hypothesis about airports in the western coast of Japan being used. First, you have to establish a distance criterion for how far away a city can be from Osaka and still be usable given Japan's excellent rail system. Here is a list of Japan west coast cities of reasonable size:

Sapporo (Hokkaido Island and long way from anywhere)
Nagasaki (Kyushu Island and a long way from Osaka)
Fukuoka (Kyushu Island and a long way from Osaka)
Niigata (I've never even heard of this city before, so what kind of an international airport could it have as the 14th most populous city in Japan?)

Let's contrast the above places to the ones on the east coast I consider most reasonable and logical:
Tokyo - Narita
Osaka - Kansai
Nagoya
Sendai - the only one that was genuinely impacted by the nearby earthquake and nuclear disaster

There is also two other places which are on neither coast:
Hiroshima
Nagano

My thesis is that the east coast airport are many times biggest and busier than the west coast airports, the west coast airports are all a very long way from Osaka and the serious damage within Japan did not extend as far southwest as Narita. I say that entry to Japan was most likely through Osaka-Kansai airport and if not then Narita.
 
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on March 24, 2012, 12:57:10 PM
Two legs in Japan are more probable than 2 in India... why that?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on March 24, 2012, 01:03:05 PM
I don't they are more probable, but we do see two cities there.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on March 24, 2012, 01:05:54 PM
However, never in TAR history have we had 2 legs in Japan so...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: addie on March 24, 2012, 01:08:12 PM
So this might be the first time :)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on March 24, 2012, 01:13:17 PM
When was the last time that the two legs before the finale were in the same country?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 24, 2012, 01:13:56 PM
Almost every time they visit India they have two legs just like with Africa and anywhere in South America. That actually seems more likely to me.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 24, 2012, 01:14:48 PM
When was the last time that the two legs before the finale were in the same country?

Season 16. Also in seasons 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 13, 14, and 15
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on March 24, 2012, 01:15:09 PM
They can do 6 legs in Tanzania and it would not be enough for me!! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on March 24, 2012, 02:47:01 PM
The Osaka sighting was on December 19th does that help?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: weihen on March 24, 2012, 10:22:48 PM
Almost every time they visit India they have two legs just like with Africa and anywhere in South America. That actually seems more likely to me.
2 India legs:S4,S7,S13,S18
1 India leg:S1,S5,S10,S12,S14
And they have at least 2 legs at east Asia almost every season...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on March 24, 2012, 10:24:29 PM
They can do 6 legs in Tanzania and it would not be enough for me!! :hearts:

Peach, I can see what you are saying. I went to Tanzania on a school trip once (to aid the people), and the people were so warm, and the scenery was beautiful! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on March 24, 2012, 10:54:41 PM
Well, since there is no TAR next week we will have two whole weeks to dissect the preview!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on March 25, 2012, 02:48:32 AM
Season 1 definitely had two India legs.

Almost every time they visit India they have two legs just like with Africa and anywhere in South America. That actually seems more likely to me.
2 India legs:S4,S7,S13,S18
1 India leg:S1,S5,S10,S12,S14
And they have at least 2 legs at east Asia almost every season...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on March 25, 2012, 07:42:53 AM
I don't they are more probable, but we do see two cities there.
I really hope that you are right, two legs in Japan could be so cool. And i think that Japan is a country there deserves two legs in a row. We know that Osaka is 100 % true, so my wish is that they also go to Kyoto and Kobe!!!! :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on March 25, 2012, 07:45:59 AM
My database on past Amazing Race seasons indicates these 2 full-leg segments in India:
AR1
AR4
AR7
AR18

The India visits that were only one full-leg segment were AR5, AR10, AR12, AR13 and AR14.

So I guesstimate that there is about a 50% chance of having 2 2 full India segments in AR20.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on March 25, 2012, 08:04:09 AM
My database on past Amazing Race seasons indicates these 2 full-leg segments in India:
AR1
AR4
AR7
AR18

The India visits that were only one full-leg segment were AR5, AR10, AR12, AR13 and AR14.

So I guesstimate that there is about a 50% chance of having 2 2 full India segments in AR20.
I think there was 2 full-leg segments in AR13, legs 6 and 7 ( Nick & Starr won both of them). :yess: :yess: :yess: :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on March 25, 2012, 08:58:53 AM
Yes, S13 had two legs in India, L6 and L7, and Nick & Starr won both of them!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on March 25, 2012, 12:49:13 PM
I don't care who won them, but TARFANSurvivor is correct that there were 2 legs in AR13. I saw just Delhi in my database and made the wrong assumption.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on March 25, 2012, 07:32:26 PM
guys let think about these becuase we aslo tweet say they where in mubai
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on March 25, 2012, 09:36:32 PM
Can you show us that tweet? I do not remember that.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Detoured on March 26, 2012, 04:58:28 AM
Not just cuz im a fan and i dont follow the other teams if they are twitter or other social media but after following them for over 2 yrs their is just something about them post TAR.Obviously they haven't said anything or hinted how they have done.But i do notice brendon has spent less time on social media and even Rachel is not on that much, i think that it is a way not to accidently tell people if they won.Since post race she has started her new project with her sister now i know she was going to start it,but i would start if i knew i had won a lot money,thats just me?And just other little things like that make me think they won.Now they could just be happy cuz they came in 2nd and had a great time together but just a gut feeling they won.Plus they need the money more then the other two teams i think are in the top 3 since Rachel doesnt have a steady job and Brendon is doing his PHD plus they need to support Benz!

Other things I have gathered from Rachel's twitter and other public statements that make me think that the couple have recently come into more money than just the $500K (~$350K after taxes) that Rachel won on Big Brother:

All of this makes me think that they either got paid a fairly large sum just to be on Amazing Race and/or at a minimum they finished in 2nd place and got that money ($100K?), if not first place and the cool million $.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on March 26, 2012, 05:03:11 AM
No one gets any money until the show is completed. :)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Detoured on March 26, 2012, 05:21:10 AM
No one gets any money until the show is completed. :)

That wouldn't change much for Brenchel if they won... they would have their Big Brother money to spend while making plans with the knowledge that twice as much is coming within a few months.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on March 26, 2012, 10:58:05 PM
They get paid when they do a guest appearance on a soap opera, or other types of celebrity appearances.

And there may be other things we just don't know about yet having nothing to do with TAR. And the housing market is southern California, as in some other real estate markets hit hard by the mortgage market collapse, means that deals can be found even as the market continues to recover, slowly.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 27, 2012, 08:00:39 AM
Despite the above listed expenses and the fact that Brendon is going to be a low paid PhD student for the next several years, Rachel doesn't appear to be looking for a job, but is instead taking improv classes at Second City, starting a web site business with her sister, and doing a fair amount of traveling with friends, her sister, and other family.

I wonder what sort of dire situation would have to occur to actually make Rachel look for a real job? :funny:

They are experts in making money off of publicity stunts.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Detoured on March 27, 2012, 04:14:44 PM
[...]the housing market is southern California, as in some other real estate markets hit hard by the mortgage market collapse, means that deals can be found even as the market continues to recover, slowly.

Unfortunately, in that area (UCLA/Westwood) even in the current depressed market, for a small 2 bedroom 1,000sq. ft. condo or apartment, a "deal" is several hundred thousand dollars to half a million or more.  :groan:  Housing in that area was outrageously unaffordable before the crash... now it's just ridiculously expensive.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Flamant on March 30, 2012, 01:54:53 PM
Amazing Race 20 Season 20, Episode 8
Apr 15, 2012
The race continues in Tanzania

Amazing Race 20 Season 20, Episode 9
Apr 22, 2012
The racers travel to India

Amazing Race 20 Season 20, Episode 10
Apr 29, 2012
The race continues in India

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/amazing-race-20/episodes-season-20/339585
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on March 30, 2012, 04:15:56 PM
I think most of the teams that make it to India are going to be in culture shock before they leave.
(Isn't that always the case with India?)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 30, 2012, 04:33:05 PM
Finally confirming the long standing assumption of a double Tanzania leg and a double India leg. I still think one of them is a TBC/KRL because there has to be some kind of NEL in both of the countries.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on March 30, 2012, 04:39:10 PM
in the end this should be the final race route:

Leg 1 (United States - Argentina)
Leg 2 (Argentina)
Leg 3 (Argentina - Paraguay)
Leg 4 (Paraguay - Italy)
Leg 5 (Italy - Germany)
Leg 6 (Germany - Azerbaijan)
Leg 7 (Azerbaijan - Tanzania)
Leg 8 (Tanzania)
Leg 9 (Tanzania - India)
Leg 10 (India)
Leg 11 (India - Japan)
Leg 12 (Japan - United States)


its actually an awesome race route. and they are only spending 4 legs in Asia (if you include Azerbaijan) compared to 5 legs in the last two seasons  :yess:
as much as i would've loved two legs in Japan, I'm excited because India never fails to deliver excitement and drama :hrt:

i definitely think Leg 7 is a NEL, and my other guess is Leg 9 is the other NEL (which I'm hoping is a TBC)
it makes more sense to not take a non-eliminated team to Japan because theres a better chance they catch up JMO
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 30, 2012, 04:52:55 PM
There seems to be an argument about the placement of Azerbaijan in either Europe or Asia. It is a former Soviet republic most of which are now classified as eastern Europe. However since it is east of Istanbul and has a culture more similar to the Middle East I would say that it is in Asia.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on March 30, 2012, 05:10:42 PM
in the end this should be the final race route:

Leg 1 (United States - Argentina)
Leg 2 (Argentina)
Leg 3 (Argentina - Paraguay)
Leg 4 (Paraguay - Italy)
Leg 5 (Italy - Germany)
Leg 6 (Germany - Azerbaijan)
Leg 7 (Azerbaijan - Tanzania)
Leg 8 (Tanzania)
Leg 9 (Tanzania - India)
Leg 10 (India)
Leg 11 (India - Japan)
Leg 12 (Japan - United States)


its actually an awesome race route. and they are only spending 4 legs in Asia (if you include Azerbaijan) compared to 5 legs in the last two seasons  :yess:
as much as i would've loved two legs in Japan, I'm excited because India never fails to deliver excitement and drama :hrt:

i definitely think Leg 7 is a NEL, and my other guess is Leg 9 is the other NEL (which I'm hoping is a TBC)
it makes more sense to not take a non-eliminated team to Japan because theres a better chance they catch up JMO

Only one thing is clear:  the race must leave India with only 4 teams, so no matters if the F5 is eliminated in Leg 9 or 10.  I agree with you that it makes more sense your spec, but we can't discard other options (doesn't look more exciting - talking about drama - a team fighting to reach the F3 with a SpeedBump in the middle?).

And what if that team is Brenchel? :groan:.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on March 30, 2012, 07:43:52 PM
Thank you Flamant!! :hearts:

I am overjoyed with TWO legs in Tanzania!!  :wohoo:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on March 30, 2012, 08:30:49 PM
There seems to be an argument about the placement of Azerbaijan in either Europe or Asia. It is a former Soviet republic most of which are now classified as eastern Europe. However since it is east of Istanbul and has a culture more similar to the Middle East I would say that it is in Asia.
I have looked this up and the consensus is that Azerbiajan is in Europe. However, across the Caspian Sea in Georgia Asia starts. Decisions about which provinces of countries along the dividing line are in which continent are tricky.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on March 30, 2012, 08:33:01 PM
I think it's especially tricky since Azerbaijan was a former Soviet state, but it now is commonly associated with the Middle East. In fact, I actually did a whole essay in history class debating this issue. :lol:

In the essay, I said it was based on the person's opinion, because I was too nervous to pick one side and get marked down. :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on March 30, 2012, 08:41:57 PM
in the end this should be the final race route:

Leg 1 (United States - Argentina)
Leg 2 (Argentina)
Leg 3 (Argentina - Paraguay)
Leg 4 (Paraguay - Italy)
Leg 5 (Italy - Germany)
Leg 6 (Germany - Azerbaijan)
Leg 7 (Azerbaijan - Tanzania)
Leg 8 (Tanzania)
Leg 9 (Tanzania - India)
Leg 10 (India)
Leg 11 (India - Japan)
Leg 12 (Japan - United States)


its actually an awesome race route. and they are only spending 4 legs in Asia (if you include Azerbaijan) compared to 5 legs in the last two seasons  :yess:
as much as i would've loved two legs in Japan, I'm excited because India never fails to deliver excitement and drama :hrt:

i definitely think Leg 7 is a NEL, and my other guess is Leg 9 is the other NEL (which I'm hoping is a TBC)
it makes more sense to not take a non-eliminated team to Japan because theres a better chance they catch up JMO


supah3ro,

What you wish for is not possible. The reason is that a 12 leg race has 8 elimination points, 1 finale and 3 NELs. Since there was one NEL already in Torino, there can be only 2 NELs or one TBC in the remaining legs. Your wish for a NEL and a TBC requires 13 legs.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on March 30, 2012, 10:37:37 PM
in the end this should be the final race route:

Leg 1 (United States - Argentina)
Leg 2 (Argentina)
Leg 3 (Argentina - Paraguay)
Leg 4 (Paraguay - Italy)
Leg 5 (Italy - Germany)
Leg 6 (Germany - Azerbaijan)
Leg 7 (Azerbaijan - Tanzania)
Leg 8 (Tanzania)
Leg 9 (Tanzania - India)
Leg 10 (India)
Leg 11 (India - Japan)
Leg 12 (Japan - United States)


its actually an awesome race route. and they are only spending 4 legs in Asia (if you include Azerbaijan) compared to 5 legs in the last two seasons  :yess:
as much as i would've loved two legs in Japan, I'm excited because India never fails to deliver excitement and drama :hrt:

i definitely think Leg 7 is a NEL, and my other guess is Leg 9 is the other NEL (which I'm hoping is a TBC)
it makes more sense to not take a non-eliminated team to Japan because theres a better chance they catch up JMO


supah3ro,

What you wish for is not possible. The reason is that a 12 leg race has 8 elimination points, 1 finale and 3 NELs. Since there was one NEL already in Torino, there can be only 2 NELs or one TBC in the remaining legs. Your wish for a NEL and a TBC requires 13 legs.

sorry apskip i don't quite understand what you are talking about.

there are SIX legs remaining
- ONE of the six legs must have THREE teams racing, which is the FINALE
- that means there are 5 remaining legs in which THREE of the remaining teams MUST be eliminated in

THREE out of FIVE legs are ELIMINATIONS
TWO out of the same FIVE legs can be NELs or TBCs
right?
say one of those two legs is a NEL and the other is a TBC
doesn't it make sense? .
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on March 30, 2012, 10:42:08 PM
I think Leg 7 is a NEL . And Leg 9 is a TBC , anybody with me?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on March 30, 2012, 10:44:28 PM
I think Leg 7 is a NEL . And Leg 9 is a TBC , anybody with me?

I AM  :tup:

close travelling in India is much more easier and getting around is quicker/easier so I'm agreeing with you on that Declive
Leg 9 could be a night leg, then a fake pit stop and then leg 10 will run during the day #SPEC
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on March 30, 2012, 11:01:22 PM
I think Leg 7 is a NEL . And Leg 9 is a TBC , anybody with me?

I AM  :tup:

close travelling in India is much more easier and getting around is quicker/easier so I'm agreeing with you on that Declive
Leg 9 could be a night leg, then a fake pit stop and then leg 10 will run during the day #SPEC

As I said, no matter how you design the four upcoming legs (Tanzania and India).
Leg 11 must have four teams racing across Japan, with the elilmination of the final team in Osaka's PitStop :tup:.
That means one of the six teams should be eliminated in Tanzania, and another one in India. Ok?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Aussie on March 30, 2012, 11:18:14 PM
I think Leg 7 is a NEL . And Leg 9 is a TBC , anybody with me?

I think its the opposite way round.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on March 31, 2012, 05:50:20 AM
I think Leg 7 is a NEL . And Leg 9 is a TBC , anybody with me?

I think its the opposite way round.

That's what I was hoping for. TAR has never had a TBC leg in Africa, so it would be really awesome to have one this season! :hoot: :hoot:

I think it's especially tricky since Azerbaijan was a former Soviet state, but it now is commonly associated with the Middle East. In fact, I actually did a whole essay in history class debating this issue. :lol:

In the essay, I said it was based on the person's opinion, because I was too nervous to pick one side and get marked down. :lol3:

:lol: Geographically speaking, I would classify it as Asia. However, in terms of soccer, they compete in European competitions and they participate on Eurovision as well, so one would think it was in Europe. Having said that, Israel and Kazakhstan also compete in European soccer qualification games, so that is a little weird! :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on March 31, 2012, 08:38:49 AM
in the end this should be the final race route:

Leg 1 (United States - Argentina)
Leg 2 (Argentina)
Leg 3 (Argentina - Paraguay)
Leg 4 (Paraguay - Italy)
Leg 5 (Italy - Germany)
Leg 6 (Germany - Azerbaijan)
Leg 7 (Azerbaijan - Tanzania)
Leg 8 (Tanzania)
Leg 9 (Tanzania - India)
Leg 10 (India)
Leg 11 (India - Japan)
Leg 12 (Japan - United States)


its actually an awesome race route. and they are only spending 4 legs in Asia (if you include Azerbaijan) compared to 5 legs in the last two seasons  :yess:
as much as i would've loved two legs in Japan, I'm excited because India never fails to deliver excitement and drama :hrt:

i definitely think Leg 7 is a NEL, and my other guess is Leg 9 is the other NEL (which I'm hoping is a TBC)
it makes more sense to not take a non-eliminated team to Japan because theres a better chance they catch up JMO


supah3ro,

What you wish for is not possible. The reason is that a 12 leg race has 8 elimination points, 1 finale and 3 NELs. Since there was one NEL already in Torino, there can be only 2 NELs or one TBC in the remaining legs. Your wish for a NEL and a TBC requires 13 legs.

sorry apskip i don't quite understand what you are talking about.

there are SIX legs remaining
- ONE of the six legs must have THREE teams racing, which is the FINALE
- that means there are 5 remaining legs in which THREE of the remaining teams MUST be eliminated in

THREE out of FIVE legs are ELIMINATIONS
TWO out of the same FIVE legs can be NELs or TBCs
right?
say one of those two legs is a NEL and the other is a TBC
doesn't it make sense? .
supah3ro,

Not right. Wrong! "say one of those two legs is a NEL and the other is a TBC doesn't it make sense?" only applies for 2 NELS. Any TBC counts as two legs and throws off the math. So the only possible combinations are 2 NELs or one TBC. Your suggestion of one NEL plus one TBC does not compute.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Zack. on March 31, 2012, 11:12:56 AM
I think when supah says 'TBC' they mean a zero-hour Pit Stop, as with Brussels last season and Sydney and Lijiang in UB.

What I think might happen:
Leg 7: NEL (6 to 6)
Leg 8: 6 to 5
Leg 9: 'The next leg starts right now, here's your next clue.' (5 to 5)
Leg 10: 5 to 4
Leg 11: 4 to 3

My main issue with a zero-hour rest in Tanzania is that TAR generally avoids having African legs take place in the evening, which is a possibility (we don't know when they arrive in Tanzania, how they get around, or what tasks they'll do). Brussels was fine to have a zero-hour rest since WRP doesn't particularly care about people driving in Europe, while Sydney and Lijiang each had forced long-distance (overnight) transit to get Phil and co. ahead of the racers.

Admittedly, we don't know if the second Tanzania leg is in or around Arusha, nor do we know where the Indian legs are beyond Kerala so this is all presently spec. I do think a long-distance train ride or flight to a different location entirely would give production the jump they need on teams (especially if it's to somewhere like Mumbai, Delhi, or a city close to either of those two, where they can more easily get to Osaka).
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on March 31, 2012, 12:35:15 PM
A TBC counts for only one NEL not two.  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on March 31, 2012, 04:48:02 PM
I think when supah says 'TBC' they mean a zero-hour Pit Stop, as with Brussels last season and Sydney and Lijiang in UB.

What I think might happen:
Leg 7: NEL (6 to 6)
Leg 8: 6 to 5
Leg 9: 'The next leg starts right now, here's your next clue.' (5 to 5)
Leg 10: 5 to 4
Leg 11: 4 to 3

My main issue with a zero-hour rest in Tanzania is that TAR generally avoids having African legs take place in the evening, which is a possibility (we don't know when they arrive in Tanzania, how they get around, or what tasks they'll do). Brussels was fine to have a zero-hour rest since WRP doesn't particularly care about people driving in Europe, while Sydney and Lijiang each had forced long-distance (overnight) transit to get Phil and co. ahead of the racers.

Admittedly, we don't know if the second Tanzania leg is in or around Arusha, nor do we know where the Indian legs are beyond Kerala so this is all presently spec. I do think a long-distance train ride or flight to a different location entirely would give production the jump they need on teams (especially if it's to somewhere like Mumbai, Delhi, or a city close to either of those two, where they can more easily get to Osaka).

sorry if i didn't get this through to you apksip but what Zack said is what I'm trying to say. not a TBC but a zero hour pit stop.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on April 04, 2012, 07:51:11 AM
Just read that leg 9 and 10 are both in India. So i hope it is Kerela, Goa and Bangalore!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: JillianVP on April 08, 2012, 05:53:08 PM
I JUST have to post this, I'm giddy after thinking about it and I just had to share...

Is it just me, or does anyone else think it's odd/interesting that in Episode 7 promo 2's fight at the airport, Art and JJ are shown butting in and telling Brendon that "you're here to follow, bro, you're not here to play... this isn't 'Follow the Leader'" and then it cuts to Rachel telling Vanessa and Ralph to just get out of their faces.  This is (at least) the second time that CBS has given us footage of Art and JJ making snarky comments about Brenchel 'following' others in the race.  Sorry, but every team that isn't the 'lead' is considered 'following', get over it.

I'm wondering if this is a fore-shadowing of the finale.  Between the Leg 3 curse and Karma being the b!tch that she is, especially on the race, it's quite possible Brenchel wind up winning with Art/JJ being 3rd... if so, I'll be LMAO!!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on April 08, 2012, 06:02:14 PM
I JUST have to post this, I'm giddy after thinking about it and I just had to share...

Is it just me, or does anyone else think it's odd/interesting that in Episode 7 promo 2's fight at the airport, Art and JJ are shown butting in and telling Brendon that "you're here to follow, bro, you're not here to play... this isn't 'Follow the Leader'" and then it cuts to Rachel telling Vanessa and Ralph to just get out of their faces.  This is (at least) the second time that CBS has given us footage of Art and JJ making snarky comments about Brenchel 'following' others in the race.  Sorry, but every team that isn't the 'lead' is considered 'following', get over it.

I'm wondering if this is a fore-shadowing of the finale.  Between the Leg 3 curse and Karma being the b!tch that she is, especially on the race, it's quite possible Brenchel wind up winning with Art/JJ being 3rd... if so, I'll be LMAO!!!

That is strange! There has been so much drama in the promos that it is difficult to show all the sparks of fighting in 30 seconds. There is just so much drama!  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 08, 2012, 08:57:35 PM
Why don't we know what the next episode is called? :gaah: :pull

Anyway, injecting a W-turn into this season should be epic. Looking like Art was ballistic because Army uturned them. And red Rachel's "shocker" comment indicates that border patrol passed on that favor.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: jiajia12 on April 08, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
I am pretty sure another D Uturn will show up in india.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on April 08, 2012, 09:06:37 PM
Not to brag, but I did point out that teams would be using charters to get to where they were going to Tanzania. And given how close they were to the season 5 locations, that was the best way to get the teams there.

I have a feeling teams will likely "hop" to the next leg in Tanzania the same way.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dryedmangoez on April 09, 2012, 02:28:23 PM
I JUST have to post this, I'm giddy after thinking about it and I just had to share...

Is it just me, or does anyone else think it's odd/interesting that in Episode 7 promo 2's fight at the airport, Art and JJ are shown butting in and telling Brendon that "you're here to follow, bro, you're not here to play... this isn't 'Follow the Leader'" and then it cuts to Rachel telling Vanessa and Ralph to just get out of their faces.  This is (at least) the second time that CBS has given us footage of Art and JJ making snarky comments about Brenchel 'following' others in the race.  Sorry, but every team that isn't the 'lead' is considered 'following', get over it.

I'm wondering if this is a fore-shadowing of the finale.  Between the Leg 3 curse and Karma being the b!tch that she is, especially on the race, it's quite possible Brenchel wind up winning with Art/JJ being 3rd... if so, I'll be LMAO!!!
I'd love for that happen!  :conf:
And it's possible.  No matter how you might feel about Rachel, she and Brendon have come off the least horrible between them and Art & JJ and Vanessa & Ralph.  Edits aren't as important on TAR as they are on BB or Survivor, but Rachel & Brendon are getting a great edit and could be setting up their win.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 09, 2012, 03:44:13 PM
Not to brag, but I did point out that teams would be using charters to get to where they were going to Tanzania. And given how close they were to the season 5 locations, that was the best way to get the teams there.

I have a feeling teams will likely "hop" to the next leg in Tanzania the same way.

I feel exactly the opposite. Charter flights were used to transport teams quickly in to the Ngorongoro Crater from Arusha. theschnauzers, it's possible that charter flights will move teams around in Tanzania, but I doubt it. I think their tent encampment represents some temporary stability in their race lives. With all the potential for animal photography, why would WRP want to go anywhere else (although it appears that they do want to go close-by to Lake Manyara)? From Lake Manyara, my memory of AR5 ep.7 where teams exited from the Lake Manyara lookout (in Kibaoni) by 100 mile taxi back to Arusha and then took charter flights to Nairobi (to avoid time delays I imagine). I expect that AR20 teams will exit Tanzania starting at Kibaoni as follows:
1. Take a cab the 100 miles.
2. Take a bus (not a charter flight) from Arusha 130 miles back to Nairobi. Another possibility is one of 6 flights Kilimanjaro (JRO) to Nairobi (NBO) already enumerated on the AR20 Transportation thread:

PW723 0600 0645
PW721 0915 0955
5H458  1415 1500
PW727 1530 1645
5H452 1720 1820
PW725 1940 2030

I don't see charters as either necessary or economic.

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Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dom on April 12, 2012, 05:58:52 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/wave26/episode-1.png)

Ep 9

Kochi :hrt: :hrt: :hrt: :hrt:

Fun fact, if they'd visited it in Season 19 instead, I would have been there at the exact same time!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 12, 2012, 06:26:33 PM
When AR went to Kerala he posted some great pics over here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26353.0.html

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 12, 2012, 06:34:24 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/wave26/episode-1.png)

Ep 9

Kochi :hrt: :hrt: :hrt: :hrt:

Fun fact, if they'd visited it in Season 19 instead, I would have been there at the exact same time!

I guessed that it would be Kochi and Thiruvananthapuram. With Kochi specified for the April 22 telecast, Thiruvananthapuram is likely to be the area selected for the April 29 telecast.

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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #160 on: April 01, 2012, 10:24:58 PM »

I want to look ahead to leg 11 transportation where teams will have to fly from probably either Kochi or Trivandrum airports to Kansai Airprot in Osaka. It will take a minimum of 2 connections and nearly 24 hours to make the shortest possible trip. I have looked at routes through Chennai and through Mumbai and I strongly prefer those connecting in Mumbai. I have also looked at a second connection in Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok and Hong Kong, which I believe have the best possibilities for decent schedules. It turns out that the optimal second flight is Mumbai to Bangkok and the third is Bangkok to Osaka. Here are the specifics:

16 Dec. TRV BOM AI668 0938 1134
or COK BOM AI682 0720 0905  or   COK BOM 9W2112 0850 1043

16 Dec. BOM BKK 9W68 1315 1847

16 Dec. BKK TG622 2324 0636+1
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Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on April 12, 2012, 06:40:39 PM
Apskip don't you mean the 29th? This Sunday is another leg in Tanzania
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 12, 2012, 06:58:05 PM
Apskip don't you mean the 29th? This Sunday is another leg in Tanzania
Leafsfan,

I do mean the 29th. Thanks for the correction. I will be modifying the flights to India (currently aimed at Thiruvananthapuram) to go to Kochi.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: topaz on April 15, 2012, 11:49:56 PM
let's make a guess on which place will be a finish line of TAR 20 and I'm guessing a finish line of the final leg for this season will be on Hanalei Bay, Hawaii where Team Kentucky had won a vacation trip there on leg 8 (nice one, guys!) :tup: and here's the info from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanalei_Bay  And I have a doubt that probably the 3 remaining teams might solve a riddle of a clue where a Japanese author Haruki Murakami had wrote his 2 short stories there and a Hawaiian island which rhymes to a Japanese word meaning cuteness :<3 since they'd raced to Osaka, Japan before heading to their final destination, Hawaii.  It's my own specs, and I hope I'm right. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on April 15, 2012, 11:58:22 PM
let's make a guess on which place will be a finish line of TAR 20 and I'm guessing a finish line of the final leg for this season will be on Hanalei Bay, Hawaii where Team Kentucky had won a vacation trip there on leg 8 (nice one, guys!) :tup: and here's the info from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanalei_Bay  And I have a doubt that probably the 3 remaining teams might solve a riddle of a clue where a Japanese author Haruki Murakami had wrote his 2 short stories there and a Hawaiian island which rhymes to a Japanese word meaning cuteness :<3 since they'd raced to Osaka, Japan before heading to their final destination, Hawaii.  It's my own specs, and I hope I'm right. :tup:

I'm glad you posted this topaz, because I also thought the same thing and I was procrastinating whether to post it or not  :lol:

I thought it was kinda random that out of ALL the places in the world to give a holiday prize, they would specifically pick Hanalei Bay

I thought Ala Moana State Park would be the Finish Line because it was in the episode intros but it could possibly be just an opening shot of Honolulu
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on April 16, 2012, 09:16:42 AM
Interesting points! Maybe this has to do with the final task??
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on April 16, 2012, 10:31:45 AM
let's make a guess on which place will be a finish line of TAR 20 and I'm guessing a finish line of the final leg for this season will be on Hanalei Bay, Hawaii where Team Kentucky had won a vacation trip there on leg 8 (nice one, guys!) :tup: and here's the info from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanalei_Bay  And I have a doubt that probably the 3 remaining teams might solve a riddle of a clue where a Japanese author Haruki Murakami had wrote his 2 short stories there and a Hawaiian island which rhymes to a Japanese word meaning cuteness :<3 since they'd raced to Osaka, Japan before heading to their final destination, Hawaii.  It's my own specs, and I hope I'm right. :tup:

I'm glad you posted this topaz, because I also thought the same thing and I was procrastinating whether to post it or not  :lol:

I thought it was kinda random that out of ALL the places in the world to give a holiday prize, they would specifically pick Hanalei Bay

I thought Ala Moana State Park would be the Finish Line because it was in the episode intros but it could possibly be just an opening shot of Honolulu

My wishes for the Finish Lines are Pearl Harbor or Aloha Stadium!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 16, 2012, 10:53:18 AM
topaz and supah3ro,

There are no absolutes here but I am offering my judgment which is far different from yours.

If you think that World Race Productions is going to send teams to another Hawaiian Island after bringing them to Oahu, I think you will be sorely disappointed. Anywhere on Oahu is possible because it's all within one hour of where they will be in downtown Honolulu, particularly with the light traffic conditions of a Sunday morning.

One of the places I have never been to (but want to) is the Polynesian Cultural Center. Another is US Army Barracks at Hickam Field. The third is the area around the Arizona Memorial in Pearl Harbor. There are dozens of other potential places on Oahu.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on April 16, 2012, 06:54:38 PM
I agree with askip.  I think it is unlikely the teams will travel to another island mid-leg. 

Regarding other possible finish lines, I think the Arizona Memorial is a bit too sacred of a spot for a game show celebration, even one as good as this one.

There are so many possiblities on Oahu!  It might be funny to see them trying to find Phil in the world's largest maze. It is in the town I used to live in.   http://www.dole-plantation.com/worlds-largest-maze
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on April 16, 2012, 07:09:29 PM
There are so many possiblities on Oahu!  It might be funny to see them trying to find Phil in the world's largest maze. It is in the town I used to live in.   http://www.dole-plantation.com/worlds-largest-maze

i was stuck in that maze for 47 minutes LOL fml  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: coolio on April 17, 2012, 05:52:04 AM
There are so many possiblities on Oahu!  It might be funny to see them trying to find Phil in the world's largest maze. It is in the town I used to live in.   http://www.dole-plantation.com/worlds-largest-maze (http://www.dole-plantation.com/worlds-largest-maze)
Yeah! Have the finish line in the center of the maze! Brilliant!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: ZouLy on April 17, 2012, 07:28:04 AM
There are so many possiblities on Oahu!  It might be funny to see them trying to find Phil in the world's largest maze. It is in the town I used to live in.   http://www.dole-plantation.com/worlds-largest-maze (http://www.dole-plantation.com/worlds-largest-maze)

This place is HD Quality enough either for a task or Pit Stop or Finish Line  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARFansurvivor on April 17, 2012, 10:32:00 AM
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Ep 9

Kochi :hrt: :hrt: :hrt: :hrt:

Fun fact, if they'd visited it in Season 19 instead, I would have been there at the exact same time!

I guessed that it would be Kochi and Thiruvananthapuram. With Kochi specified for the April 22 telecast, Thiruvananthapuram is likely to be the area selected for the April 29 telecast.

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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #160 on: April 01, 2012, 10:24:58 PM »

I want to look ahead to leg 11 transportation where teams will have to fly from probably either Kochi or Trivandrum airports to Kansai Airprot in Osaka. It will take a minimum of 2 connections and nearly 24 hours to make the shortest possible trip. I have looked at routes through Chennai and through Mumbai and I strongly prefer those connecting in Mumbai. I have also looked at a second connection in Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok and Hong Kong, which I believe have the best possibilities for decent schedules. It turns out that the optimal second flight is Mumbai to Bangkok and the third is Bangkok to Osaka. Here are the specifics:

16 Dec. TRV BOM AI668 0938 1134
or COK BOM AI682 0720 0905  or   COK BOM 9W2112 0850 1043

16 Dec. BOM BKK 9W68 1315 1847

16 Dec. BKK TG622 2324 0636+1
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They could also go to the Northern part off India!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on April 17, 2012, 12:22:51 PM

Another is US Army Barracks at Hickam Field.

Do you, by any chance, mean Schofield Barracks? They are not located at Hickam Field. They are located next to Wheeler Field, about 2/3 the way to the north shore up the central valley of Oahu. It is the main garrison base for the US Army in Hawaii, established in about 1905 and home to the USArmy's 25th Division since before WWII. It was attacked by the Japanese on Dec 7, 1941. Wheeler Field was the first target of the Japanese fliers, to prevent the fighter aircraft from interfering with the attack later on of Pearl Harbor.

Schofield Barracks is only about 3-4 miles from that Dole maze, btw.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 17, 2012, 02:32:30 PM
Dr. Rox,

I meant what I said, Hickam Barracks. Here is an official account: "Many men were killed at Hickam when the Japanese bombed their barracks." Now, you are quiet right that Wheeler Field was also attacked as well as the major damage at Hickam. The website reference for the Naval Historical Heritage command for anyone interested in doing their own research is:

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/pearlhbr/ph-air.htm

Here are the captions on a group of photos about 12/7/1941 that are online:

Photo #: NH 50473

Pearl Harbor Attack, 7 December 1941

Planes and hangars burning at Wheeler Army Air Field, Oahu, soon after it was attacked in the morning of 7 December 1941, as seen from a Japanese Navy plane.

Donation of Theodore Hutton, 1942.

NHHC Photograph.

Online Image: 117KB; 740 x 550    

 
Photo #: 80-G-21217

Pearl Harbor Raid, 7 December 1941

Wheeler Air Field and Schofield Barracks under attack, as seen from a Japanese Navy plane.
Most of the smoke comes from planes burning on the Wheeler Field apron in the center.

Official U.S. Navy Photograph, National Archives collection.

Online Image: 86KB; 740 x 610

Reproductions may also be available at National Archives    

 
Photo #: 80-G-32896

Pearl Harbor Attack, 7 December 1941

U.S. Army aircraft destroyed by Japanese raiders at Wheeler Air Field. Photographed later in the day on 7 December 1941, following the end of the attacks.
Wreckage includes at least one P-40 and a twin-engine amphibian. Note the wrecked hangar in the background.

Official U.S. Navy Photograph, National Archives collection.

Online Image: 128KB; 740 x 605

Reproductions may also be available at National Archives    

 
Photo #: 80-G-32906

Pearl Harbor Attack, 7 December 1941

Men examine the burned-out wreckage of a P-40 pursuit aircraft, near Hangar 4 at Wheeler Air Field, following the end of the Japanese raid on 7 December 1941.
Note long blast tubes for the plane's nose machine guns.

Official U.S. Navy Photograph, National Archives collection.

Online Image: 130KB; 740 x 605

Reproductions may also be available at National Archives    

 
Photo #: SC 134872

Pearl Harbor Attack, 7 December 1941

Destroyed U.S. Army aircraft at Wheeler Field, Oahu, during post-attack cleanup activities.
P-40 pursuit planes are among the types present.

Photograph from Army Signal Corps Collection, National Archives.

Online Image: 101KB; 740 x 600

National Archives    

 
Photo #: 80-G-21218

Pearl Harbor Raid, 7 December 1941

Japanese Navy Type 97 Carrier Attack Plane ("Kate") flies high over Hickam Army Air Field during the attack. Pearl Harbor is in the background, with smoke rising from burning ships off Ford Island and at the Navy Yard.
Photographed from a Japanese plane.

Official U.S. Navy Photograph, National Archives collection.

Online Image: 105KB; 740 x 610

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Photo #: NH 50931

Pearl Harbor Attack, 7 December 1941

Torpedo planes attack "Battleship Row" at about 0800 on 7 December, seen from a Japanese aircraft. Ships are, from lower left to right: Nevada (BB-36) with flag raised at stern; Arizona (BB-39) with Vestal (AR-4) outboard; Tennessee (BB-43) with West Virginia (BB-48) outboard; Maryland (BB-46) with Oklahoma (BB-37) outboard; Neosho (AO-23) and California (BB-44).
West Virginia, Oklahoma and California have been torpedoed, as marked by ripples and spreading oil, and the first two are listing to port. Torpedo drop splashes and running tracks are visible at left and center.
White smoke in the distance is from Hickam Field. Grey smoke in the center middle distance is from the torpedoed USS Helena (CL-50), at the Navy Yard's 1010 dock.
Japanese writing in lower right states that the image was reproduced by authorization of the Navy Ministry.

NHHC Photograph

Online Image: 144KB; 740 x 545    

 
Photo #: SC 127002

Pearl Harbor Attack, 7 December 1941

A U.S. Army B-17E at Hickam Air Field, after landing safely during the Japanese air raid. In the background is a B-17C (or B-17D). Smoke from burning ships at Pearl Harbor is visible in the distance.
The B-17E is probably that piloted by First Lieutenant Karl T. Barthelmess.
Photographer may be Staff Sergeant Lee Embree.

Photograph from Army Signal Corps Collection, National Archives.

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Photo #: 80-G-32915

Pearl Harbor Attack, 7 December 1941

Wrecked Army Air Corps B-17C (serial # 40-2074) bomber near Hangar # 5 at Hickam Air Field, following the end of the Japanese raid. This plane, piloted by Captain Raymond T. Swenson, was one of those that arrived during the raid after flying in from California. It was hit by a strafing attack after landing and burned in half.
Note Note bicycle parked by the plane. Pith helmet by the case in the left foreground indicates that the photographer was Tai Sing Loo.

Official U.S. Navy Photograph, National Archives cooection.

Online Image: 109KB; 740 x 600

Reproductions may also be available at National Archives    

 
Photo #: SC 176626

Pearl Harbor Attack, 7 December 1941

Bomb damage to Hangars 15-17 and 11-13 at Hickam Field, Oahu, at 5PM on 7 December 1941. In the right foreground is a machine gun emplacement in a bomb crater.
A Douglas B-18 bomber is visible inside the badly damaged hangar.

Photograph from the Army Signal Corps Collection in the U.S. National Archives.

Online Image: 113KB; 740 x 600


Note that the captions above reference 5 shots of Wheeler/Schofield and 5 of Hickam.

 
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dånooky on April 17, 2012, 04:52:52 PM
Question: what are the chances of one of the India legs being a KRL (Keep Racing Leg)?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on April 17, 2012, 04:59:45 PM
Question: what are the chances of one of the India legs being a KRL (Keep Racing Leg)?

Cochin is VERY close from Kerala , i just realized that.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on April 17, 2012, 05:15:24 PM
Question: what are the chances of one of the India legs being a KRL (Keep Racing Leg)?

Cochin is VERY close from Kerala , i just realized that.

You completely misinterpreted the question. KRL = Keep racing leg not Kerala. Kerala is a state, in which Cochin is a city, sort of like Chicago is a city in Illinois.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on April 17, 2012, 05:18:43 PM
 :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on April 17, 2012, 05:42:35 PM
Question: what are the chances of one of the India legs being a KRL (Keep Racing Leg)?

Pretty good I would think.

We need one more leg to have a team not eliminated.

So Cochin would be a good placement choice for a NEL or a TBC/KRL.

India 2 would then be an elimination, either V/R or Mark/Bopper go.

Japan would then also be an elim with the other of those two teams going.

Leaving us our known final 3.

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on April 17, 2012, 05:59:00 PM
Another is US Army Barracks at Hickam Field.

There may be barracks at Hickam, but Schofield Barracks is Army, Hickam is Air Force, Pearl Harbor is Navy, though Hickam and Pearl Harbor have recently been designated a joint base.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on April 17, 2012, 08:54:09 PM
Hickam and Pearl Harbor would have more of a recognized historical reference to Americans who lived in that time or studied the period.
Some of the world-wide popular fiction of the beginnings of World War II focused more on Hickam and Pearl than Schofield. Reference: Herman Wouk's The Winds of War/War and Remembrance (novels and TV miniseries 1983-88) and the film Pearl Harbor (2001). I doubt though that Pearl would be used as a finish line because of the USS Arizona memorial, although it might be used (TAR 4 Phoenix went back the Arizona USS Arizona memorial near the state capitol headed toward the finish). Hickam, though might make sense for a secluded finish mat or for a task of some kind.

Edited to add: I meant to mention that the last new episode of Hawaii Five-O last week had a wide angle helicopter shot of the area of Oahu where the twin condo towers are located. It was obvious that they were the same place we had spoiler pics from because there was nothing else in that area with twin towers like that.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on April 18, 2012, 12:52:38 AM
Question: what are the chances of one of the India legs being a KRL (Keep Racing Leg)?

I doubt that there will be a KRL leg this season. Trains in India are VERY DANGEROUS at night and taxis are not safe either. More likely

a) Mark & Bopper quit the roadblock and are eliminated or NELed and then eliminated in the second leg
b) Mark & Bopper do not quit the roadblock but are last and survive for one leg thanks to an NEL and goes.
c) Or they survive and Vanessa/Ralph eliminated in India 2 and they get eliminated in Japan
d) or vice versa

than again, it's my speculation.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on April 18, 2012, 01:41:55 AM
I would go back and look at the early season visits to India. In TAR 1 and TAR 4, teams did travel overnight on trains and in taxis, so I don't think that will be the determative factor. The show has usually done double-length legs or no length pit stops in locations where they are able to have a sufficient number of tasks for both legs, and India is certainly capable of providing such conditions. The real question is whether the overall pacing of this Race requires it, and given the single leg in Baku and the double legs in Tanzania, there's been a lot of time spent traveling long distances, so it certainly is a possibility. But I don't think we'll know until we see the episode on Sunday.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 18, 2012, 08:09:31 AM
Question: what are the chances of one of the India legs being a KRL (Keep Racing Leg)?

Cochin is VERY close from Kerala , i just realized that.

Huh! Cochin is a large city and metropolitan area in the province of Kerala. Since it is part of it, it indeed couldn't be closer.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on April 18, 2012, 10:50:41 AM
Question: what are the chances of one of the India legs being a KRL (Keep Racing Leg)?

Cochin is VERY close from Kerala , i just realized that.

Huh! Cochin is a large city and metropolitan area in the province of Kerala. Since it is part of it, it indeed couldn't be closer.

 :lol: He just made a simple error.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on April 18, 2012, 10:50:59 AM
Yeah i got it wrong. My Google Earth has listed Kerala as a city , for some reason. Sorry
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on April 18, 2012, 01:22:30 PM
No worries sweetie. :kuss: I like that you are looking!!

We need LOTS of helpers on these unspoiled legs, the more eyes the better!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on April 18, 2012, 02:02:31 PM
Thanks Peach , you're awesome.

And people , Apskip wasn't been rude , hope you all understended that.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: JordanJones123 on April 18, 2012, 08:47:58 PM
How do we already know the final 3??? im not keen on going through 38 pages of spoilers! so Mark and Bopper can't win  :'(  :'(  )-**
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 18, 2012, 08:49:43 PM
Final 3 pics here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.50.html
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: JordanJones123 on April 18, 2012, 09:07:28 PM
Final 3 pics here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.50.html

Thanks

isnt there still a chance that V/R or M/B make the final 3 because of the spoiler-preventing the race does? I think that i saw an interview with carol and brandy saying that they ran the first half of the season 16 finale, and then left when J/C and D/J started carrying the trunks and headed to candlestick park...

also the race has got strict on spoilers. Im being optimistic but couldn't art and jj or davechel or brenchel just be decoys? and are there any other examples of decoys in the final 3?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: asar on April 18, 2012, 10:04:05 PM
Final 3 pics here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.50.html

I went through that thread could only find 1 team in final three :P
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 18, 2012, 10:11:00 PM
Final 3 pics here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.50.html

Thanks

isnt there still a chance that V/R or M/B make the final 3 because of the spoiler-preventing the race does? I think that i saw an interview with carol and brandy saying that they ran the first half of the season 16 finale, and then left when J/C and D/J started carrying the trunks and headed to candlestick park...

also the race has got strict on spoilers. Im being optimistic but couldn't art and jj or davechel or brenchel just be decoys? and are there any other examples of decoys in the final 3?

Optimistic is too weak a term; wishing for the highly improbable is what you are. Yes, any of the 3 teams most people believe will be the F3 could be running decoy in the final leg. However, more than one of them doing so would be without precedent. You appear to be a Mark and Bopper fan along with a lot of other RFF members. They are not out yet, but for a variety of reasons their chances of winning are very slim. You have about 3 Sundays to get used to it.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: colav10 on April 18, 2012, 11:18:03 PM
CBS has posted summaries for their upcoming season finales and The Amazing Race summary is interesting:

"SUNDAY, MAY 6

8:00-10:00 PM THE AMAZING RACE – After traveling five continents, 22 cities and nearly 40,000 miles, the series’ 20th installment concludes in a special two-hour season finale as the final four Teams race through Japan and onto Honolulu where one Team will win the $1 million prize.  Hosted by Phil Keoghan. (Two Hours)"

It certainly seems that the final team will be eliminated in Japan. Not sure if this has been mentioned yet.

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on April 18, 2012, 11:54:22 PM
Yes, that has been posted, thanks.

The actual link to the photos is here. There is also an extensive discussion of them here in the discussion thread.

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.msg694755.html#msg694755 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.msg694755.html#msg694755)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: redskevin88 on April 19, 2012, 12:34:44 AM
Final 3 pics here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.50.html

Thanks

isnt there still a chance that V/R or M/B make the final 3 because of the spoiler-preventing the race does? I think that i saw an interview with carol and brandy saying that they ran the first half of the season 16 finale, and then left when J/C and D/J started carrying the trunks and headed to candlestick park...

also the race has got strict on spoilers. Im being optimistic but couldn't art and jj or davechel or brenchel just be decoys? and are there any other examples of decoys in the final 3?

Optimistic is too weak a term; wishing for the highly improbable is what you are. Yes, any of the 3 teams most people believe will be the F3 could be running decoy in the final leg. However, more than one of them doing so would be without precedent. You appear to be a Mark and Bopper fan along with a lot of other RFF members. They are not out yet, but for a variety of reasons their chances of winning are very slim. You have about 3 Sundays to get used to it.

two. It is a two-hour finale!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on April 19, 2012, 12:49:13 AM

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x449/kikisak/TAR/T207.png)7



This is a cap from TAR20 intro, which I'm guessing is Hawaii, do we have a location genius that can track this exact location down?? It could be important  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: JordanJones123 on April 19, 2012, 05:36:06 AM
Final 3 pics here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.50.html

Thanks

isnt there still a chance that V/R or M/B make the final 3 because of the spoiler-preventing the race does? I think that i saw an interview with carol and brandy saying that they ran the first half of the season 16 finale, and then left when J/C and D/J started carrying the trunks and headed to candlestick park...

also the race has got strict on spoilers. Im being optimistic but couldn't art and jj or davechel or brenchel just be decoys? and are there any other examples of decoys in the final 3?

Optimistic is too weak a term; wishing for the highly improbable is what you are. Yes, any of the 3 teams most people believe will be the F3 could be running decoy in the final leg. However, more than one of them doing so would be without precedent. You appear to be a Mark and Bopper fan along with a lot of other RFF members. They are not out yet, but for a variety of reasons their chances of winning are very slim. You have about 3 Sundays to get used to it.

I am a Mark and Bopper fan, no denying!  :lol:

but i am also interested in the whole decoy subject... when do teams start running decoys? how do we know if they are fake or not? do they even exist? do they run full legs or just do a few tasks? i would love the answers to these questions!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 19, 2012, 06:27:04 AM
CBS has posted summaries for their upcoming season finales and The Amazing Race summary is interesting:

"SUNDAY, MAY 6

8:00-10:00 PM THE AMAZING RACE – After traveling five continents, 22 cities and nearly 40,000 miles, the series’ 20th installment concludes in a special two-hour season finale as the final four Teams race through Japan and onto Honolulu where one Team will win the $1 million prize.  Hosted by Phil Keoghan. (Two Hours)"

It certainly seems that the final team will be eliminated in Japan. Not sure if this has been mentioned yet.

They did that in season 18 as well and it caused the same confusion then. They need to work on their wording :lol:

THE FINAL FOUR TEAMS RACE THROUGH BRAZIL AND ON TO MIAMI IN THEIR PURSUIT OF THE 1 MILLION DOLLAR PRIZE, DURING THE TWO-HOUR SEASON FINALE OF "THE AMAZING RACE," SUNDAY, MAY 8
"This Is Where It Ends (Brazil and Florida)" -
 
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25250.msg609700.html#msg609700

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 19, 2012, 07:36:24 AM
Final 3 pics here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.50.html

Thanks

isnt there still a chance that V/R or M/B make the final 3 because of the spoiler-preventing the race does? I think that i saw an interview with carol and brandy saying that they ran the first half of the season 16 finale, and then left when J/C and D/J started carrying the trunks and headed to candlestick park...

also the race has got strict on spoilers. Im being optimistic but couldn't art and jj or davechel or brenchel just be decoys? and are there any other examples of decoys in the final 3?

Optimistic is too weak a term; wishing for the highly improbable is what you are. Yes, any of the 3 teams most people believe will be the F3 could be running decoy in the final leg. However, more than one of them doing so would be without precedent. You appear to be a Mark and Bopper fan along with a lot of other RFF members. They are not out yet, but for a variety of reasons their chances of winning are very slim. You have about 3 Sundays to get used to it.

two. It is a two-hour finale!

Maybe 2, maybe 3 (although I feel Mark and Bopper are gone after this coming leg), redskevin. World Race Productions has sometimes split a two hour finale into 2 separate legs.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on April 19, 2012, 09:38:21 AM
Are we completely sure that Art & JJ make it to the F3?? I mean, we know that B/R were seen in the finale, and D/R past the Leg 11 Pitstop... but we don't know about the patrols?

Everyone assumes that Ranessa or Mopper are eliminated in the next 2 legs. Are there real evidences? Thanks.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 19, 2012, 09:41:09 AM
F3 is Art\JJ, Dave\Rachel, and Brendon\Rachel for sure.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: David on April 19, 2012, 09:45:24 AM
F3 is Art\JJ, Dave\Rachel, and Brendon\Rachel for sure.

But, evidence? Don't find that. Thanks.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 19, 2012, 09:49:55 AM
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.msg694755.html#msg694755 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.msg694755.html#msg694755) <----- Brenchel
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.msg694707.html#msg694707 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.msg694707.html#msg694707) <---- Art and JJ
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.msg694706.html#msg694706 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.msg694706.html#msg694706) <---- Art and JJ
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.msg694678.html#msg694678 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.msg694678.html#msg694678) <---- Art and JJ
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26411.msg724552.html#msg724552 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26411.msg724552.html#msg724552) <---- Dave and Rachel
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26411.msg718056.html#msg718056 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26411.msg718056.html#msg718056) <---- Dave and Rachel
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26411.msg717568.html#msg717568 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26411.msg717568.html#msg717568) <---- Dave and Rachel
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26411.msg716623.html#msg716623 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26411.msg716623.html#msg716623) <---- Art and JJ


peach probably doesn't want this in this that other thread :lol:
 
You got that right!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kevin2012 on April 19, 2012, 10:22:45 AM
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.msg694755.html#msg694755 <----- Brenchel
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.msg694707.html#msg694707 <---- Art and JJ
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.msg694706.html#msg694706 <---- Art and JJ
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26453.msg694678.html#msg694678 <---- Art and JJ
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26411.msg724552.html#msg724552 <---- Dave and Rachel
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26411.msg718056.html#msg718056 <---- Dave and Rachel
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26411.msg717568.html#msg717568 <---- Dave and Rachel
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26411.msg716623.html#msg716623 <---- Art and JJ


peach probably doesn't want this in this thread :lol:

If this is true, then in my opinion, this will be the first final 3 ever to not have a single likeable team.

Brendon and Rachel come the closest to being likeable (as well as the other rachel, but dave is a bit douchey)

Art/JJ in the final 3  :eww

Mark and Bopper not in the final 3  :'(
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: eddiethejet on April 19, 2012, 11:37:30 AM
F3 is Art\JJ, Dave\Rachel, and Brendon\Rachel for sure.

But, evidence? Don't find that. Thanks.

Art and JJ definitely.  Top 3 from Leg 1 is also final 3.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 19, 2012, 11:58:26 AM
Art and JJ definitely.  Top 3 from Leg 1 is also final 3.

:jam:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on April 19, 2012, 12:20:48 PM
Are we completely sure that Art & JJ make it to the F3?? I mean, we know that B/R were seen in the finale, and D/R past the Leg 11 Pitstop... but we don't know about the patrols?

Everyone assumes that Ranessa or Mopper are eliminated in the next 2 legs. Are there real evidences? Thanks.

YES.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on April 19, 2012, 05:42:13 PM

(http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x449/kikisak/TAR/T207.png)7



This is a cap from TAR20 intro, which I'm guessing is Hawaii, do we have a location genius that can track this exact location down?? It could be important  :duno:

I cannot get the right angle to be sure ( :gaah: ), but I think it might be the cliffs at Kualoa Ranch, which was used for Jurassic Park, Lost, etc. 

http://www.kualoa.com/about/

Maybe this was noted earlier, but the helicopter in the caps thread is from Makani Kai Helicopters. 

http://www.makanikai.com/helicoptercharters.html
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: HoroscopeCloud on April 19, 2012, 06:46:23 PM
So is the consensus that the bootlist for this season goes:

11th- Misa & Maiya
10th- Dave & Cherie
9th- Elliot & Andrew
8th- Kerri & Stacy
7th- Joey "Fitness" & Danny
6th- Nary & Jamie
5th- Vanessa & Ralph
4th- Bopper & Mark :'(

Which makes F3- Brenchel <3 :hrt:, Dave/Rachel, and Art/JJ  :res:
And 1st place is probably between Brenchel and Dave/Rachel with most likely Brenchel winning, Dave/Rachel 2nd place, and 3rd place most likely going to Art/JJ :lol3:
Does this seem about right?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 19, 2012, 06:51:08 PM
Mopper\Ranessa could be flipped but it looks good otherwise :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: eddiethejet on April 19, 2012, 10:23:09 PM
brenchel were not the winners.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: HoroscopeCloud on April 20, 2012, 12:12:25 AM
It's just speculation  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paridy on April 20, 2012, 04:53:28 AM
A quick question about eliminated contestants do they still sequester them aka elimination station up to final 5? :umn: Just wondering and I do miss those videos from seasons past because we kind of see more of the racers and what happens after they are eliminated aka Joe and Heidi and Carol and Brandy bitching at Louis/Michael and Brett and Caite from TAR16 at the finale which we wouldn't know why they were still so bitter if those videos weren't shown. Bring them back CBS  :hrt:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARismyfavoriteshow on April 20, 2012, 07:37:09 AM
So is the consensus that the bootlist for this season goes:

11th- Misa & Maiya
10th- Dave & Cherie
9th- Elliot & Andrew
8th- Kerri & Stacy
7th- Joey "Fitness" & Danny
6th- Nary & Jamie
5th- Vanessa & Ralph
4th- Bopper & Mark :'(

Which makes F3- Brenchel <3 :hrt:, Dave/Rachel, and Art/JJ  :res:
And 1st place is probably between Brenchel and Dave/Rachel with most likely Brenchel winning, Dave/Rachel 2nd place, and 3rd place most likely going to Art/JJ :lol3:
Does this seem about right?

Where would anyone get the idea Brenchel is 1st? This seems the popular speculation but I just don't get it. Based on their past performance, I'd think we'd be speculating they're 3rd...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 20, 2012, 07:42:43 AM
Where would anyone get the idea Brenchel is 1st? This seems the popular speculation but I just don't get it. Based on their past performance, I'd think we'd be speculating they're 3rd...

IKR? They haven't come close to the chance to win a leg since leg 1. They will definitely have the worst average placement of the F3

BTW: eddiethejet knows what he's talking about
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: cattychic on April 20, 2012, 07:53:44 AM
brenchel were not the winners.

How do you know ? Do you have some insider info you want to share ? They make final 3 , so they have the same shot at winning as Art and JJ and Dave/Rachel.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: HoroscopeCloud on April 20, 2012, 07:56:37 AM
For me the spoiler pics of them rappelling and maybe the edit that kind of points to them beating Art/JJ in the finale whether it is in 1st or 2nd is in question for me But for me Art/JJ will almost definitely be 3rd
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 20, 2012, 08:00:36 AM
BTW: eddiethejet knows what he's talking about
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 20, 2012, 08:12:40 AM
A quick question about eliminated contestants do they still sequester them aka elimination station up to final 5? :umn: Just wondering and I do miss those videos from seasons past because we kind of see more of the racers and what happens after they are eliminated aka Joe and Heidi and Carol and Brandy bitching at Louis/Michael and Brett and Caite from TAR16 at the finale which we wouldn't know why they were still so bitter if those videos weren't shown. Bring them back CBS  :hrt:

paridy,
There will be  sequester site somewhere, maybe in Paraguay this season due to low costs. On the question of Elimination Station for AR16 it only holds thee first 5 or 6 teams. Louie/Michael would have been 8th out and Carol/Brandy 7th out so those teams traditionally travel with the entourage and are available for decoy duty. However, I think we would have perfectly good reasons on why Carol/Brandy hated Brett/Caite without the Fish Line rant by Brandy.

I agree totally that Elimination Station should be resurrected. It gives us 5 or so minutes of additional footage to enjoy of teams who are out of the competition.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARG21 on April 20, 2012, 08:25:40 AM
I don't know if this means anything but Kaylani (TAR 19) a former best friend of BB Rachel said on the latest chat Ep.8 on http://rtvzone.com/VIDEO_TAR20_Wrapup.php (http://rtvzone.com/VIDEO_TAR20_Wrapup.php) that she has heard from a source that Brendon and Rachel win the race. She sounded pretty confident about it. I don't know if she has just been reading from Brenchel fans on different boards that have said that they have sources that work on TAR that Brenchel win or if Brenchel themselves have insinuated it to the fans in private and they have posted it as fact on message boards.

 I don't want to believe it though.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: cattychic on April 20, 2012, 08:27:59 AM
I don't know if this means anything but Kaylani (TAR 19) a former best friend of BB Rachel said on the latest chat Ep.8 on http://rtvzone.com/VIDEO_TAR20_Wrapup.php (http://rtvzone.com/VIDEO_TAR20_Wrapup.php) that she has heard from a source that Brendon and Rachel win the race. She sounded pretty confident about it.

 I don't want to believe it, though.

 :bigwelcome TARG21. I just read that on another site as well. Anything can happen , so I definitely am not counting Brenchel out.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 20, 2012, 08:28:58 AM
What source? :lol:

:welcome: to RFF!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on April 20, 2012, 08:34:12 AM
What source? :lol:

:welcome: to RFF!

i watched the video a few days ago, Kaylani said she 'heard it through the grapevine', and knowing that Kaylani used to be best friends with Rachel and talks about their friendship from time to time on the RTV recaps, im pretty sure she has a reliable source

regardless, i still have got my hopes for Davechel to win it all <33
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 20, 2012, 08:35:33 AM
except that racers can't reveal anything about their position?? :ascared
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: AmazingRace on April 20, 2012, 08:38:50 AM
except that racers can't reveal anything about their position?? :ascared

Maybe Rachel called Kaylani at the Finish Line ala Eric/Danielle to Jeremy  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 20, 2012, 08:40:12 AM
Maybe :lol: But one would think that the receiver of the call would have signed something too. Who knows.

We're getting a lot of conflicting info right now so it's hard to tell for sure.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TARG21 on April 20, 2012, 08:50:47 AM
What source? :lol:

:welcome: to RFF!


Thanks! I would think Kaylani being a former racer and former friend of Rachel she would have a more reliable source than just anyone?

All I know is that Brenchel are in the F3 and they don't stand out for being strong racers like Dave and Rachel do. But I also know that anything could happen on that final leg that could switch things up.

I really have a feeling based from the edits that Dave/Rachel will take it but I don't know if TAR is trying to edit Brendon and Rachel as the underdogs that beat out the alliance that doesn't like them, either?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 20, 2012, 08:53:16 AM
The whole grapevine thing just bothers me. How would Kaylani be able to leak the winners on her show? IDK
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: eddiethejet on April 20, 2012, 08:57:34 AM
i cant reveal who my source is, but my source has been 100% solid so far and they are adamant that brenchel didnt win, but after reading all this, it has me wondering as well.  however, i believe my source since they have been spot on in the past seasons.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on April 20, 2012, 08:59:13 AM
Eddie what is your magical "source"
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 20, 2012, 09:09:04 AM
Similar to the "grapevine" I would guess.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: cattychic on April 20, 2012, 09:28:44 AM
Wow , so we have "sources" saying Davechel won and "sources" saying Brenchel won. But no "sources" saying Art/JJ won........That's the best news i've heard all day !! :conf: :conf: :conf:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on April 20, 2012, 09:29:14 AM
Whats the grapevine :stare
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 20, 2012, 09:30:56 AM
i watched the video a few days ago, Kaylani said she 'heard it through the grapevine', and knowing that Kaylani used to be best friends with Rachel and talks about their friendship from time to time on the RTV recaps, im pretty sure she has a reliable source

regardless, i still have got my hopes for Davechel to win it all <33
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on April 20, 2012, 11:13:18 AM
Whats the grapevine :stare

Grapevine: 
a. The informal transmission of information, gossip, or rumor from person to person.
b. A usually unrevealed source of confidential information.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TexasLady on April 20, 2012, 11:38:21 AM
Wow , so we have "sources" saying Davechel won and "sources" saying Brenchel won. But no "sources" saying Art/JJ won........That's the best news i've heard all day !! :conf: :conf: :conf:

I'm with you on the no sources for Art and JJ.  :lol:  I find it hard to believe though that if you won the race you would risk everything by telling anyone.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on April 20, 2012, 12:08:48 PM
Wow , so we have "sources" saying Davechel won and "sources" saying Brenchel won. But no "sources" saying Art/JJ won........That's the best news i've heard all day !! :conf: :conf: :conf:

I'm with you on the no sources for Art and JJ.  :lol:  I find it hard to believe though that if you won the race you would risk everything by telling anyone.

Yeap.  But it's always difficult to keep the secret for a long time.  For example, in the last season of TARLA, four hours before to the broadcast of the final episode it was revealed in the web the identity of the winner team.  And the leak came from a source at the same country that team was coming from.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 20, 2012, 12:10:10 PM
It's not that hard when there's a $5 million penalty on the line. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paridy on April 20, 2012, 12:18:04 PM
Just my 2 cents as to why this is a 2 hour finale, I think since Mark and Bopper are so well liked and I believe go out in 4th  and the other 3 teams (except for Brenchel lol) are either not really rootable (Art and JJ) and Davchel who are just meh ok but not really super rootable either, that in order to get people to watch the finale they had to have Mopper be in at least the 1st hr of the show where they are eliminated so I think Ralph and Vanessa will be booted in the last leg in India for that reason.  :umn:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: HoroscopeCloud on April 20, 2012, 12:41:42 PM
Just my 2 cents as to why this is a 2 hour finale, I think since Mark and Bopper are so well liked and I believe go out in 4th  and the other 3 teams (except for Brenchel lol) are either not really rootable (Art and JJ) and Davchel who are just meh ok but not really super rootable either, that in order to get people to watch the finale they had to have Mopper be in at least the 1st hr of the show where they are eliminated so I think Ralph and Vanessa will be booted in the last leg in India for that reason.  :umn:
That's a good theory! Makes tons of sense! I really hope Vanessa and Ralph are out next
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on April 20, 2012, 01:01:21 PM
i cant reveal who my source is

Eddie what is your magical "source"

 :crazy:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 20, 2012, 01:02:36 PM
It may indeed be a good theory, but the reality is that Mark and Bopper have been in the middle of the pack in general (so have Vanessa and Ralph. M/B are susceptible to any severe physical challenge. If there is an eating contest Ralph has a big edge. What would M/B be good enough at to allow them to stay in AR20 for one extra leg?

I can't think of anything except Mark's raw desire to instantly improve his financial situation, which I don't think is as important as the other factors.

Now, what RFF membership really thinks (in spit of the large base of Bopper and Mark sentiment) is show in the current leg 9 poll of 39 members:

NEL 51.3%
Bopper/Mark eliminated 30.8%
Vanessa/Ralph eliminated 12.8%
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on April 20, 2012, 01:37:57 PM
A couple of things:

Finishing order at the Tower task prob means nothing unless that is the last task before the Pitstop, so I wouldn't pay too much attention to that.

Production has no control over who went out in 4th place, so the finale would not be planned based on that. It is a two hour finale solely to fit in the Survivor finale...

And this should be one of the closest and most exciting finishes ever!! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kungfuwomn on April 20, 2012, 06:44:44 PM
Sources aside i am going to believe that Brenchel won because no offense to The boring Rachel and her equally boring military husband but yes they are a strong team but a ho hum boring team and just like Hayden won BB12 that season of BB will be remembered with Rachel just like even if Drenchel or whatever you want to call that boring couple TAR20 would not have had any excitement or viewers if not for Brenchel and Team KY period.I would love to believe that Kaylani heard it through the grapevine that Brenchel won but since she is a former friend of Rachel's who she now disses her and brendon since their falling out i dont think i can really trust anything the says. She has said said on her show that she thinks they won but i never heard her say she knows they won.If any teams are going to be asked back it will definitly be Brenchel and Team Ky!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on April 20, 2012, 10:22:54 PM
I don't know if anyone else has posted this

Amazing Race, The
Episode 10 - I Need Hair To Be Pretty (Cochin, India)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on April 20, 2012, 10:24:42 PM
I don't know if anyone else has posted this

Amazing Race, The
Episode 10 - I Need Hair To Be Pretty (Cochin, India)

Good find, supah3ro!

I can almost guarantee this is either a Vanessa or Red Rachel quote. My gut is that it's a Vanessa quote, since she does care about her hair. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: LoveRocked on April 20, 2012, 11:02:51 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/wave26/episode-2.jpg)
Episode 10
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on April 20, 2012, 11:31:45 PM
Sounds like a shave your hair task to me! :ascared:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: AmazingRace on April 20, 2012, 11:36:57 PM
Sounds like a shave your hair task to me! :ascared:

 :o Omg. I think so too.

If she had said "I need MY hair to be pretty", it could be some hairstyling task.

But she said "I need hair to be pretty", meaning she needs to have hair!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on April 20, 2012, 11:43:54 PM
Sounds like a shave your hair task to me! :ascared:

 :o Omg. I think so too.

If she had said "I need MY hair to be pretty", it could be some hairstyling task.

But she said "I need hair to be pretty", meaning she needs to have hair!


thats what I'm thinking, but its only possible if its an FF... but lets not speculate until we get the promo
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on April 20, 2012, 11:51:30 PM
Why not? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on April 21, 2012, 12:14:15 AM
you're right, we might as well  :lol:

I noticed in the Azerbaijan leg Phil did NOT say 'this is the second of two fast forwards on the race' (I didn't want to bring it up back then because I thought it would be irrelevant)

which means there is definitely possibility for a third one, but to have it this late in the game?  :duno:

what's everyone else's thoughts??

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: eddiethejet on April 21, 2012, 01:12:31 AM
Sounds like a shave your hair task to me! :ascared:

 :o Omg. I think so too.

If she had said "I need MY hair to be pretty", it could be some hairstyling task.

But she said "I need hair to be pretty", meaning she needs to have hair!

What if it's a mark quote?? LOL
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 21, 2012, 06:46:11 AM
you're right, we might as well  :lol:

I noticed in the Azerbaijan leg Phil did NOT say 'this is the second of two fast forwards on the race' (I didn't want to bring it up back then because I thought it would be irrelevant)

which means there is definitely possibility for a third one, but to have it this late in the game?  :duno:

what's everyone else's thoughts??

In the olden days they did really late fast forwards, even several times in the final four. BUT it has been many seasons since there were three AND all the racers have their hair intact in the F3 photos :lol: Maybe Vanessa shaves her head and gets eliminated in Japan :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on April 21, 2012, 08:30:08 AM
you're right, we might as well  :lol:

I noticed in the Azerbaijan leg Phil did NOT say 'this is the second of two fast forwards on the race' (I didn't want to bring it up back then because I thought it would be irrelevant)

which means there is definitely possibility for a third one, but to have it this late in the game?  :duno:

what's everyone else's thoughts??

In the olden days they did really late fast forwards, even several times in the final four. BUT it has been many seasons since there were three AND all the racers have their hair intact in the F3 photos :lol: Maybe Vanessa shaves her head and gets eliminated in Japan :lol3:


If one of the girls did shave her head, it still wouldn't have grown back completely by present time
Im not sure if you watched TARAus1, but Joey shaved her head for an FF in Leg 3 (filmed in November) and after they broadcasted the episode they were eliminated (in May), in the interview her hair still hadn't completely grown back

so if anything I would think if a team did take an FF, it would be Art and JJ or Mark and Bopper
we know Art and JJ have taken a FF, so that leaves Mark and Bopper, which could very well be likely, and would guarantee them a spot in the F4

i guess we will have to wait for the previews to find out more...  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on April 21, 2012, 08:56:21 AM
you're right, we might as well  :lol:

I noticed in the Azerbaijan leg Phil did NOT say 'this is the second of two fast forwards on the race' (I didn't want to bring it up back then because I thought it would be irrelevant)

which means there is definitely possibility for a third one, but to have it this late in the game?  :duno:

what's everyone else's thoughts??

In the olden days they did really late fast forwards, even several times in the final four. BUT it has been many seasons since there were three AND all the racers have their hair intact in the F3 photos :lol: Maybe Vanessa shaves her head and gets eliminated in Japan :lol3:

I remember Tara and Will in TAR2 and David and Jeff in TAR4 reaching a spot into the F3 by using the FF.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Bluesky on April 21, 2012, 10:11:09 AM
Sounds like a shave your hair task to me! :ascared:

 :o Omg. I think so too.

If she had said "I need MY hair to be pretty", it could be some hairstyling task.

But she said "I need hair to be pretty", meaning she needs to have hair!

What if it's a mark quote?? LOL

My guess is that eddiethejet has nailed it.

Given that Mark is putting on the "dress" (don't know the correct name) and going out to dance with a number of beautifully dressed women, I can easily see Bopper telling Mark to "go out there and be pretty", and Mark replying "I need hair to be pretty".
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: HoroscopeCloud on April 21, 2012, 10:26:08 AM
Sounds like a shave your hair task to me! :ascared:

 :o Omg. I think so too.

If she had said "I need MY hair to be pretty", it could be some hairstyling task.

But she said "I need hair to be pretty", meaning she needs to have hair!

What if it's a mark quote?? LOL

My guess is that eddiethejet has nailed it.

Given that Mark is putting on the "dress" (don't know the correct name) and going out to dance with a number of beautifully dressed women, I can easily see Bopper telling Mark to "go out there and be pretty", and Mark replying "I need hair to be pretty".
This is the name for the second india episode not the first one where they dance with the Bollywood dancers
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on April 21, 2012, 10:47:13 AM
Maybe it Vanessa and Ralph go for the FW and arrive there and decide not do it and get potentially eliminated? This holds out hope for Mark and Bopper!  :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on April 21, 2012, 11:07:55 AM
Maybe it Vanessa and Ralph go for the FW and arrive there and decide not do it and get potentially eliminated? This holds out hope for Mark and Bopper!  :yess:

Like Brandon & Nicole in leg 9 of TAR5, only that it was a NEL leg. ;)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 21, 2012, 12:10:53 PM
If there is a FF in the penultimate leg it sure does reinforce the idea that they are trying to make this season like the older ones. If Mopper is still around in that episode then they would certainly take the FF as they would be desperate. Also they are the most likely choice because Rachel or Vanessa are not about to shave their heads :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: boston_jen on April 21, 2012, 01:16:37 PM
I cannot get the right angle to be sure ( :gaah: ), but I think it might be the cliffs at Kualoa Ranch, which was used for Jurassic Park, Lost, etc. 

http://www.kualoa.com/about/

I looked more closely at the area, and pinpointed the location of the intro cap shot as Kahana Bay, which is on the windward/eastern side of Oahu. Kualoa Ranch is on the other side of the ridge, just to the south.

Kualoa Ranch is a private 4,000 acre property, totally stunning to look at, and historically significant to the Hawaiian people, so certainly another candidate for a finale location. 
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: cattychic on April 21, 2012, 02:47:24 PM
It could be Bopper that say's the title quote too , I could totally see him saying something like that.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 21, 2012, 03:10:15 PM
If there is a FF in the penultimate leg it sure does reinforce the idea that they are trying to make this season like the older ones. If Mopper is still around in that episode then they would certainly take the FF as they would be desperate. Also they are the most likely choice because Rachel or Vanessa are not about to shave their heads :lol:

However, Vanessa and Ralph can count and realize that they had to go for it if they believed the F3 teams (which would not be know) to be stronger. I have this major problems with your logic:

1. There are 2 India legs coming up and only one can potentially be a NEL, meaning that one of Vanessa/Ralph and Mark/Bopper has to be eliminated before the penultimate leg in Japan (where the other one will be eliminated).
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on April 21, 2012, 04:06:35 PM
Because the stated location in the episode titles are the same, I am considering that leg 9 may be the last NEL, or a no-length pitstop leg; and that might be consistent with hiking up the level of difficulty for the two India legs,
I'm going to stay out of the grapevine source discussion, but I will point out that frewuently, the best performing team in average placement has more often lost on the final leg than won. (Take a look at the first post in the ranking the teams thread.)
Personaly, notwithstanding their good deed in an early leg for Mark and Bopper, I would not be happy with an Art-JJ win, their attitude as reflected in the editing of recent legs has off-putted me. At this point I'd be quite content with either Rachel team winning (and probably Dave-Rachel, depending on how Rachel Reilly behaves in these last four legs.)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: dpe on April 21, 2012, 04:14:59 PM
If there is a FF in the penultimate leg it sure does reinforce the idea that they are trying to make this season like the older ones. If Mopper is still around in that episode then they would certainly take the FF as they would be desperate. Also they are the most likely choice because Rachel or Vanessa are not about to shave their heads :lol:

the blonde Rachel had as much hair in January as she did while running the race. no chance she shaved her head.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 21, 2012, 04:19:10 PM
If there is a FF in the penultimate leg it sure does reinforce the idea that they are trying to make this season like the older ones. If Mopper is still around in that episode then they would certainly take the FF as they would be desperate. Also they are the most likely choice because Rachel or Vanessa are not about to shave their heads :lol:

the blonde Rachel had as much hair in January as she did while running the race. no chance she shaved her head.

They can't do another FF
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 21, 2012, 04:20:50 PM
If there is a FF in the penultimate leg it sure does reinforce the idea that they are trying to make this season like the older ones. If Mopper is still around in that episode then they would certainly take the FF as they would be desperate. Also they are the most likely choice because Rachel or Vanessa are not about to shave their heads :lol:

However, Vanessa and Ralph can count and realize that they had to go for it if they believed the F3 teams (which would not be know) to be stronger. I have this major problems with your logic:

1. There are 2 India legs coming up and only one can potentially be a NEL, meaning that one of Vanessa/Ralph and Mark/Bopper has to be eliminated before the penultimate leg in Japan (where the other one will be eliminated).

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make but in this scenario, Mark and Bopper have survived because of a KRL. A KRL is likely in episode 9 because both episodes are identified as taking place in Kochi and we know that the leg 10 roadblock is very near the area of leg 9.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 21, 2012, 09:26:50 PM
Prophet,

Are you sure you understand the meaning of the word "penultimate?" By definition, neither legs 9 or 10 can be penultimate. Only the 11th leg of a 12 leg race is penultimate and that is the Japan leg.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on April 22, 2012, 08:22:11 AM
I have never enjoyed the shave your head FF. I feel it favors men over women. Additionally, in BB12, there was a sacrifice POV competition, when one person could choose to do something with their hair (men had to choose to shave their head or women to dye their hair pink). (Brendon chose to shave his head) I think it is more fair than having women shave their hair for an advantage.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: HoroscopeCloud on April 22, 2012, 08:40:50 AM
This picture is taken 13 minutes after the one with the mystery team: http://www.flickr.com/photos/78286753@N00/6540491345/

All of the other Brenchel pics are taken later than that.

If the time stamps on the photos are correct it means the mystery team (Dave and Rachel) reached the roof first followed by Brenchel with Art and JJ in third.  It also means Brenchel spent almost 50 minutes on the roof.  Long prep times or rooftop challenge?

That may or may not be true. From the  the photos we know the following:

1) The timestamps on photos of mystery team (Dave & Rachel?) gives us the best evidence that they were the first to start ascending the cables.

2) Mystery team had one member severely lagging the lead member on the ascent (having covered less than half the distance up the building while the lead member was almost at the top).

3) In the same set of photos, team Brenchel was seen almost at the top of the building just 16 minutes later.

4) Team Brenchel was the only team that the same photographer captured descending the building.

Based on point #2 above, plus point # 3... fact that team Brenchel both were at the top just 16 minutes after the lagging partner of mystery team still had more than half way to go, when combined with point #4, I think it's likely that team Brenchel overtook mystery team on the way up the building and was the first team to both reach the top , and therefore the first team to start descending.

The only thing that doesn't compute in this scenario is that the timestamps of team Brenchel descending are 50 minutes after they were almost at the top while ascending. Why the almost one hour delay between the near end of the ascension and the beginning of the descension?  But on the other hand, why no pictures of the mystery team descending if they were the first team to do so?

I wonder if the photographer could give us more details. I noticed that on the photographer's flicker account page there is button to "send flickrmail" to him. Does anyone here who has a flickr account want to try to "flickrmail" him to see if he can provide more details of what he saw that day?
Brenchel overtaking Dave/Rachel would be awesome! I really hope you're right!It seems possible to me.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on April 22, 2012, 09:57:06 AM
I hope that this head shaving Fast Forward turns out to be true, not necessarily because I love head-shaving FFs (I do like them :lol: ) but because having three FFs on a single race would be a dream come true!!! :)

If the head-shaving FF turns out to be true, then I speculate that someone (Ranessa or Brenchel) goes there and doesn't use it, like Brandon & Nicole from TAR5. Complete speculation, of course, but I just wanted to throw it out there! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on April 22, 2012, 12:44:21 PM
I agree! I think 3 FF would be amazing! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 22, 2012, 12:46:32 PM
This picture is taken 13 minutes after the one with the mystery team: http://www.flickr.com/photos/78286753@N00/6540491345/

All of the other Brenchel pics are taken later than that.

If the time stamps on the photos are correct it means the mystery team (Dave and Rachel) reached the roof first followed by Brenchel with Art and JJ in third.  It also means Brenchel spent almost 50 minutes on the roof.  Long prep times or rooftop challenge?

That may or may not be true. From the  the photos we know the following:

1) The timestamps on photos of mystery team (Dave & Rachel?) gives us the best evidence that they were the first to start ascending the cables.

2) Mystery team had one member severely lagging the lead member on the ascent (having covered less than half the distance up the building while the lead member was almost at the top).

3) In the same set of photos, team Brenchel was seen almost at the top of the building just 16 minutes later.

4) Team Brenchel was the only team that the same photographer captured descending the building.

Based on point #2 above, plus point # 3... fact that team Brenchel both were at the top just 16 minutes after the lagging partner of mystery team still had more than half way to go, when combined with point #4, I think it's likely that team Brenchel overtook mystery team on the way up the building and was the first team to both reach the top , and therefore the first team to start descending.

The only thing that doesn't compute in this scenario is that the timestamps of team Brenchel descending are 50 minutes after they were almost at the top while ascending. Why the almost one hour delay between the near end of the ascension and the beginning of the descension?  But on the other hand, why no pictures of the mystery team descending if they were the first team to do so?

I wonder if the photographer could give us more details. I noticed that on the photographer's flicker account page there is button to "send flickrmail" to him. Does anyone here who has a flickr account want to try to "flickrmail" him to see if he can provide more details of what he saw that day?
Brenchel overtaking Dave/Rachel would be awesome! I really hope you're right!It seems possible to me.

I think that Flickr user has been badgered enough, perhaps we should leave him alone.

Besides this, ya'll are putting way too much weight into this one task. :lol: I would speculate that it's the first task.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 22, 2012, 12:50:51 PM
I hope that this head shaving Fast Forward turns out to be true, not necessarily because I love head-shaving FFs (I do like them :lol: ) but because having three FFs on a single race would be a dream come true!!! :)

There were SEVEN fast forwards used in season 4 and six in seasons 2 and 3 and five in season 1 :lol3: That was back when they put way too many of them.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on April 22, 2012, 01:35:12 PM
If it WAS Brenchel who did the FF, wouldn't it have been noticeable in her recent pics(I believe there was a pic of them when they returned from TAR?)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on April 22, 2012, 02:32:36 PM
We don't know IF there is another FF. or IF there is a head shaving task.

But CBS is trying very hard to make us believe B/M are in trouble...

SO IF there were to be a head shaving task, agree 100% that:

D/R and Art/JJ not eligible
No way Vanessa or Rachel R would/did

So ...the field would be wide open for B/M to go for it!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 22, 2012, 08:34:52 PM
So I am thinking that maybe that is Mopper's speed bump. They could get the speed bump clue before they can open the Detour decision which has the FF in it.

This is like leg 7 though since the locations are so close.  Mopper will probably never see another team.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on April 22, 2012, 08:42:04 PM
As I mentioned in the live show discussion thread, it does look like it is a fast forward, and if so, it will be the first ff task to appear in three different races, and in the same country. While it isn't clear in the preview tonight, the two prior FFs with head shaving required both team members to have their heads shaved. Always possible this is a different task (detour or roadblock) until we see the clue for this task.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on April 22, 2012, 08:44:43 PM
As I mentioned in the live show discussion thread, it does look like it is a fast forward, and if so, it will be the first ff task to appear in three different races, and in the same country. While it isn't clear in the preview tonight, the two prior FFs with head shaving required both team members to have their heads shaved. Always possible this is a different task (detour or roadblock) until we see the clue for this task.

Not to mention multiple international versions have also had that Fast Forward.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Dånooky on April 22, 2012, 08:46:01 PM
As I mentioned in the live show discussion thread, it does look like it is a fast forward, and if so, it will be the first ff task to appear in three different races, and in the same country. While it isn't clear in the preview tonight, the two prior FFs with head shaving required both team members to have their heads shaved. Always possible this is a different task (detour or roadblock) until we see the clue for this task.

Not to mention multiple international versions have also had that Fast Forward.
It's better than the haybales IMO :P
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 22, 2012, 08:46:54 PM
I really don't see any way on earth it is a roadblock. We can see that the final 3 teams have hair in the pics. It could be a really cruel Detour I guess.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: kungfuwomn on April 23, 2012, 03:02:35 PM
Bopper called into the rad reality show last night (by the way great show check it out if you can) he was on with past KY TAR racers Gary/Mallory and Dave & Mary great show.Well Bopper accidently said he and Mark were going to be on the Talk on May 5th i believe before Mary kind of shushed him,he knew he wasnt supposed to tell.Which if their going to do national show that means they were probably eliminated right before that because i dont think the show ends at that time but i could be wrong?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 23, 2012, 03:03:41 PM
That's the day before the two hour finale. :tup:

Is The Talk on Saturdays? ???
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on April 23, 2012, 03:41:03 PM
Well, the final elimination won't be aired until the 6th as part of the finale, but it could also mean the segment is going to be pre-taped for The View on the 5th.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: TAR Fanatic on April 23, 2012, 03:53:17 PM
I heard this also last night and deliberately didn't post it because Bopper immediately regretted letting the cat out of the bag. CBS had told him not to announce this. Mark got upset and called in to shush Bopper. The date being given here is incorrect. I think the mods should remove that post and all others on the topic because I don't want to see Bopper getting in trouble.

Drawing the conclusion that this appearance means they're eliminated next is a big stretch also because they could just as easily be promoting the show. Marcus and Amani were on The Talk before they were eliminated. Bopper and Mark are popular just like Marcus and Amani were, so I'm not surprised that they were asked to be on The Talk.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on April 23, 2012, 04:52:49 PM
I heard this also last night and deliberately didn't post it because Bopper immediately regretted letting the cat out of the bag. CBS had told him not to announce this. Mark got upset and called in to shush Bopper. The date being given here is incorrect. I think the mods should remove that post and all others on the topic because I don't want to see Bopper getting in trouble.

Drawing the conclusion that this appearance means they're eliminated next is a big stretch also because they could just as easily be promoting the show. Marcus and Amani were on The Talk before they were eliminated. Bopper and Mark are popular just like Marcus and Amani were, so I'm not surprised that they were asked to be on The Talk.

Which elimination?  Marcus and Amani reach the F3 last season. 
Unless you were saying that they appeared on The Talk before they finished in 3rd. place in the final of TAR19. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on April 23, 2012, 04:58:19 PM
Also, Andy and Tommy appeared on The Talk in the middle of season 19, WAY before their elimination.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 23, 2012, 04:58:26 PM
Why would any logical person (Prophet as a thinking person is excepted here) not assume that Mark and Bopper are about to be eliminated, starting at least one hour behind on a linear leg where there is unlikely to be any bunching and also having a SpeedBump to slow them down?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 23, 2012, 05:14:34 PM
apskip, I think that many people are assuming that Mark and Bopper will take the head shaving fast forward since it is unlikely that any other team will and they will feel that they need to in order to survive. This is very possible and I also tend to think that there could be a bunching point in order to give each team a chance to go for the fast forward and avoid a predictable leg like episode 7.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on April 23, 2012, 05:20:46 PM
Why would any logical person (Prophet as a thinking person is excepted here) not assume that Mark and Bopper are about to be eliminated, starting at least one hour behind on a linear leg where there is unlikely to be any bunching and also having a SpeedBump to slow them down?

I think, the same as you, that the "time" factor is the most important in the next leg of the race. 
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on April 23, 2012, 06:15:56 PM
I agree, Andy and Tommy, and Marcus and Amani were all on THe Talk well BEFORE their eliminations/final 3 finish, so wouldn't worry too much about this except as a way of confirming that this is one popular team!

Why would any logical person (Prophet as a thinking person is excepted here) not assume that Mark and Bopper are about to be eliminated, starting at least one hour behind on a linear leg where there is unlikely to be any bunching and also having a SpeedBump to slow them down?

There may be a FF, and the other team at risk may have a medical emergency. Anything remains a possibility!
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on April 23, 2012, 08:22:45 PM
And it is important to emphasize the hair clippers in the preview may not be part of a fast forward even though the task's past history would suggest that it is. It is possible that it is a detour of some sort, and we won't know for sure without more information.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: eddiethejet on April 23, 2012, 10:04:10 PM
If it WAS Brenchel who did the FF, wouldn't it have been noticeable in her recent pics(I believe there was a pic of them when they returned from TAR?)

YES! and i cant seem to find the picture.  a fan had their picture taken with the two of them at charlotte airport here in nc where i live...rachel's family is also from here.

btw rachel had hair in that picture. 
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on April 23, 2012, 10:44:15 PM
I have a feeling Mark and Bopper are way, way, behind. So far behind in fact, that if they do get to go for the Fast Forward (assuming there is one), it might not be enough. And it is possible that the Fast Forward won't be available for them until after the Speed Bump. Dave and Rachel not only finished the roadblock ahead of the other teams, they finished the detour ahead of the other teams, and I suspect before any of the other teams reached the detour.
While we can't conclude logically that Mark and Bopper are eliminated this leg based on what we've seen so far from CBS, I seriously doubt they'll win the leg. There's also a suspicion in my mind that we may see a team fall seriously behind on the leg in Japan, and I'm wondering if this may possibly explain the two-hour finale, rather than two separate episodes. It hasn't happened in a long time for a fourth place team, but the way this season keeps giving us callbacks to earlier seasons, it wouldn't surprise me at this point.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: paldog123456 on April 23, 2012, 10:56:04 PM
I have a feeling Mark and Bopper are way, way, behind. So far behind in fact, that if they do get to go for the Fast Forward (assuming there is one), it might not be enough. And it is possible that the Fast Forward won't be available for them until after the Speed Bump. Dave and Rachel not only finished the roadblock ahead of the other teams, they finished the detour ahead of the other teams, and I suspect before any of the other teams reached the detour.
While we can't conclude logically that Mark and Bopper are eliminated this leg based on what we've seen so far from CBS, I seriously doubt they'll win the leg. There's also a suspicion in my mind that we may see a team fall seriously behind on the leg in Japan, and I'm wondering if this may possibly explain the two-hour finale, rather than two separate episodes. It hasn't happened in a long time for a fourth place team, but the way this season keeps giving us callbacks to earlier seasons, it wouldn't surprise me at this point.

I agree. Not that I am saying they will be eliminated, I still think, even if they win the FF, they won't get first. Like Dennis and Andrew in TAR 3, who won the FF but were so far behind they were eliminated.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: guacamole300 on April 23, 2012, 11:17:37 PM
I have a feeling Mark and Bopper are way, way, behind. So far behind in fact, that if they do get to go for the Fast Forward (assuming there is one), it might not be enough. And it is possible that the Fast Forward won't be available for them until after the Speed Bump. Dave and Rachel not only finished the roadblock ahead of the other teams, they finished the detour ahead of the other teams, and I suspect before any of the other teams reached the detour.
While we can't conclude logically that Mark and Bopper are eliminated this leg based on what we've seen so far from CBS, I seriously doubt they'll win the leg. There's also a suspicion in my mind that we may see a team fall seriously behind on the leg in Japan, and I'm wondering if this may possibly explain the two-hour finale, rather than two separate episodes. It hasn't happened in a long time for a fourth place team, but the way this season keeps giving us callbacks to earlier seasons, it wouldn't surprise me at this point.

Unfinished Business had it this way with the Brazil and Keys legs, I think it's just because of the schedule, with the awards taking one week.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on April 23, 2012, 11:52:13 PM
I have a feeling Mark and Bopper are way, way, behind. So far behind in fact, that if they do get to go for the Fast Forward (assuming there is one), it might not be enough. And it is possible that the Fast Forward won't be available for them until after the Speed Bump. Dave and Rachel not only finished the roadblock ahead of the other teams, they finished the detour ahead of the other teams, and I suspect before any of the other teams reached the detour.
While we can't conclude logically that Mark and Bopper are eliminated this leg based on what we've seen so far from CBS, I seriously doubt they'll win the leg. There's also a suspicion in my mind that we may see a team fall seriously behind on the leg in Japan, and I'm wondering if this may possibly explain the two-hour finale, rather than two separate episodes. It hasn't happened in a long time for a fourth place team, but the way this season keeps giving us callbacks to earlier seasons, it wouldn't surprise me at this point.

Are you saying the same way than Joe and Bill in TAR1? Or similar to Nick and Vicki in TAR17 with the 6 hours penalty after they didn't complete the Detour in the Hong Kong leg?

Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: NoluckBoston on April 25, 2012, 05:22:20 PM
I wonder if the Producers created this Fast Forward on the fly. I am thinking Mark and Bopper are many hours behind everyone else.  Production might be thinking that Rachel and Vanessa won't want to shave their heads. This would leave Mark and Bopper, the last team who is eligible, to take the FF.

By creating this FF  production can do a few things.
Mark and Bopper could finish closer to the pack, either staying in the race or just shy of it. That would keep production close together. Perhaps even save on costs. Production would not be lingering around for hours at detours and road blocks for them. This might help with keeping the pace of production.
Or If one of the ladies do decide to shave their head, it would make for awesome television.

Could be a win/ win for everyone.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 25, 2012, 05:24:48 PM
I don't know if production would make up a task that's not in The Book. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Jimmer on April 25, 2012, 06:11:59 PM
Here is a quote from theschnauzers about how production cannot manipulate the game.

Just a quick comment in all of the speculation.  Tasks are not changed at the last moment to favor teams; the elimination points are not changed, i.e., a non-elimination leg remains a non-elimination leg. I don't know if it is still being done, but in the early seasons, it was mentioned that production actually prepared a sworn affidavit, prior to the start of filming,of the tasks that would be used and at what point so as to avoid claims that tasks were changed on the spot to favor any team.
The affidavit, as I understood what was mentioned at the time, also included the backup tasks or legs in case of problems at any point in the race. There's absolutely no way a last minute change in location or tasks can be made without some advance preparation (local production crew and extras) so it can be executed and keep filming on track.
It irritates me to no end when there's a suggestion such as changing a task or an elimination point to favor keeping a particular team in the race. Among other things, since TAR is legally considered under US law to be a game show, it is required to comply with federal law that prohibits manipulation of the game elements to favor or not favor particular teams.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 25, 2012, 06:45:36 PM
Yeah, it's all in The Book :lol: :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on April 25, 2012, 10:54:35 PM
Previous seasons discussion moved here:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,22643.msg745682.html#msg745682
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: topaz on April 27, 2012, 06:16:58 AM
I'd read an info on wikipedia that there are 10 countries that will visit on TAR 20, Japan is the 10th one and so which Asian country will be the 9th one?  Could be in Thailand or China, again?! :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 27, 2012, 06:37:48 AM
I'd read an info on wikipedia that there are 10 countries that will visit on TAR 20, Japan is the 10th one and so which Asian country will be the 9th one?  Could be in Thailand or China, again?! :groan:

How does the wikipedia user that added this know that again? There is no time for more countries because there are only two more weeks of broadcast.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on April 27, 2012, 06:42:47 AM
I'd read an info on wikipedia that there are 10 countries that will visit on TAR 20, Japan is the 10th one and so which Asian country will be the 9th one?  Could be in Thailand or China, again?! :groan:

How does the wikipedia user that added this know that again? There is no time for more countries because there are only two more weeks of broadcast.

These are the 10 countries that this race went to (not including transport stopovers)

1. United States
2. Argentina
3. Paraguay
4. Italy
5. Austria (teams picked up their cars in Austria and drove to Germany)
6. Germany
7. Azerbaijan
8. Tanzania
9. India
10. Japan
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on April 29, 2012, 04:13:24 PM
The possibility exists that Osaka is a TBC "keep on racing" leg. Or else they have the shortest PitStop ever. :lol: (Which could be, I think last season's was < 8 hours.)

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26553.msg747166.html#msg747166
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 29, 2012, 05:39:46 PM
The possibility exists that Osaka is a TBC "keep on racing" leg. Or else they have the shortest PitStop ever. :lol: (Which could be, I think last season's was < 8 hours.)

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26553.msg747166.html#msg747166
It's 7 hours for Moscow II in AR13 before flying out to Portland.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on April 30, 2012, 01:27:03 AM
Is there any idea on what a final memory task could be(if there is one?)

I was thinking either
A) Clue boxes(it would have made TAR19 Better)
B) Food (Empanadas, Water, Watermelon, Salami, gingerbread, apples, ? , honey?, sushi etc)
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Declive on April 30, 2012, 01:30:32 AM
I like the food idea , we have lot's of them . But Watermelon , Salami , Gingerbread , Apples are parts of Detour .

Brenchel didn't saw the Apples , Davechel didn't saw Salami , Gingerbread or Apples , neither Art/JJ . So it's harder for them to remember...
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: supah on April 30, 2012, 02:58:52 AM
just wanted to say this, since we're coming close to the finish of TAR20, this has been a GREAT season regardless of what happens in the final two legs  :conf:  :wohoo:  :hearts:

could this be the closest finish since TAR2?!?!!?  :groan:  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mandk on April 30, 2012, 03:18:41 AM
Regarding the finish line, in the preview i counted 7 teams (meaning 4 were missing)  :duno: so what do you all think about the possibility of it being a final 4 in the US?  :lol:

or, someone may have got seriously injured and didnt make the finish line.  :(
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 30, 2012, 06:42:44 AM
Regarding the finish line, in the preview i counted 7 teams (meaning 4 were missing)  :duno: so what do you all think about the possibility of it being a final 4 in the US?  :lol:

or, someone may have got seriously injured and didnt make the finish line.  :(

Interesting, Zev and Justin were at the finish line in TAR18. Maybe this confirms peach's KRL theory?
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Parovic on April 30, 2012, 06:52:09 AM
It is a little bit strange that 4 teams can race to the finish line...
But I do think that the 4th team may be fall behind a lot so that they do not appear in the finish line
Also,I think the team who don't do the roadblock,may not be Dave and Rachel,as they have same experience and they learn a lesson in Paraguay leg.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: AmazingRace on April 30, 2012, 07:12:30 AM
Regarding the finish line, in the preview i counted 7 teams (meaning 4 were missing)  :duno: so what do you all think about the possibility of it being a final 4 in the US?  :lol:

or, someone may have got seriously injured and didnt make the finish line.  :(

Interesting, Zev and Justin were at the finish line in TAR18. Maybe this confirms peach's KRL theory?

What was wrong with Zev & Justin in TAR18?  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: NoluckBoston on April 30, 2012, 07:14:01 AM
Is there any idea on what a final memory task could be(if there is one?)

I was thinking either
A) Clue boxes(it would have made TAR19 Better)
B) Food (Empanadas, Water, Watermelon, Salami, gingerbread, apples, ? , honey?, sushi etc)

And the ginger from this past leg.

But as someone else pointed out, It would be real hard to remember the order if you did not do that detour.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 30, 2012, 07:28:07 AM
Is there any idea on what a final memory task could be(if there is one?)

I was thinking either
A) Clue boxes(it would have made TAR19 Better)
B) Food (Empanadas, Water, Watermelon, Salami, gingerbread, apples, ? , honey?, sushi etc)

Maybe just a generic memory task like the TAR 14 surfboards :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 30, 2012, 08:55:12 AM
Regarding the finish line, in the preview i counted 7 teams (meaning 4 were missing)  :duno: so what do you all think about the possibility of it being a final 4 in the US?  :lol:

or, someone may have got seriously injured and didnt make the finish line.  :(

Mandk,
My opinion is that there is a 0.001% probability that your theory will hold up. Amazing Races do finish in the United States, but last I looked Hawaii qualifies as part of the US and there has been an Amazing Race finish in Hawaii before, AR14 in Maui.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on April 30, 2012, 08:59:17 AM
Is there any idea on what a final memory task could be(if there is one?)

I was thinking either
A) Clue boxes(it would have made TAR19 Better)
B) Food (Empanadas, Water, Watermelon, Salami, gingerbread, apples, ? , honey?, sushi etc)

Maybe just a generic memory task like the TAR 14 surfboards :duno:

Like the flags in TAR9, or the posts in TAR16, or the videowall in TAR17.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 30, 2012, 08:59:33 AM
That stretch of shoreline on the eastern coast of Oahu is not full of civilization, so the probability is that teams could go running through to that beach from one of 2 places:

1. a parking lot
2. the site of a task such as a memory challenge

I hope they did use a memory challenge, as it is a classier way to finish any Amazing Race.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Alenaveda on April 30, 2012, 09:15:17 AM
It is a little bit strange that 4 teams can race to the finish line...
But I do think that the 4th team may be fall behind a lot so that they do not appear in the finish line
Also,I think the team who don't do the roadblock,may not be Dave and Rachel,as they have same experience and they learn a lesson in Paraguay leg.

Like Joe & Bill in Season 1, ¿remember?.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on April 30, 2012, 09:20:39 AM
Regarding the finish line, in the preview i counted 7 teams (meaning 4 were missing)  :duno: so what do you all think about the possibility of it being a final 4 in the US?  :lol:

or, someone may have got seriously injured and didnt make the finish line.  :(

Probably a pre-shot done before the decoy team arrived.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: mandk on April 30, 2012, 09:34:29 AM
apskip,
sorry about me being vague  :groan: what i meant was that what if they did one last twist this season and told the last team in Japan that they are to keep racing, therefore having 4 teams compete for the million dollars in hawaii.

As for decoy teams, i think u are all right about it but im kind of surprised that there would be only 1 decoy team  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on April 30, 2012, 09:35:26 AM
apskip,
sorry about me being vague  :groan:

don't lose any sleep over it :lol: :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on April 30, 2012, 09:56:50 AM
Regarding the finish line, in the preview i counted 7 teams (meaning 4 were missing)  :duno: so what do you all think about the possibility of it being a final 4 in the US?  :lol:

or, someone may have got seriously injured and didnt make the finish line.  :(

Mandk,
My opinion is that there is a 0.001% probability that your theory will hold up. Amazing Races do finish in the United States, but last I looked Hawaii qualifies as part of the US and there has been an Amazing Race finish in Hawaii before, AR14 in Maui.

you misunderstood the points, he/she was asking if there was a possibility that the final 4 would make the finish line in the USA version.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on April 30, 2012, 09:58:21 AM
It is a little bit strange that 4 teams can race to the finish line...
But I do think that the 4th team may be fall behind a lot so that they do not appear in the finish line
Also,I think the team who don't do the roadblock,may not be Dave and Rachel,as they have same experience and they learn a lesson in Paraguay leg.

4 teams do NOT race for the Finish line. One team is eliminated in Osaka. 100%.

They are just showing a shot taken at the mat before the decoy 4th place team arrived. Common.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on April 30, 2012, 10:12:09 AM
That stretch of shoreline on the western coast of Oahu is not full of civilization,

Except it is the eastern coast of Oahu        LMAO!!!   Geographer extraordinaire strikes again.
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: Leafsfan on April 30, 2012, 11:06:44 AM
That stretch of shoreline on the western coast of Oahu is not full of civilization,

Except it is the eastern coast of Oahu        LMAO!!!   Geographer extraordinaire strikes again.

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 20 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
Post by: apskip on April 30, 2012, 02:33:52 PM
That stretch of shoreline on the western coast of Oahu is not full of civilization,

Except it is the eastern coast of Oahu        LMAO!!!   Geographer extraordinaire strikes again.
Dr. Rox,

You are right. I did correct it before even reading your post, as I knew I had made a mistake. As the French say, "C'est la vie."