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Title: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 02, 2011, 10:57:50 PM
A DOUBLE EVICTION ROCKS THE NEWLY MERGED TE TUNA TRIBE, ON "SURVIVOR: SOUTH PACIFIC," WEDNESDAY, NOV. 9
 
   
CHEAT TWEET:What do U think - is Cochran a Survivor genius or is he being used? + a double eviction #Survivor Wed, 11/9 @ 8pmET/PT http://bit.ly/vwHSb3
 
 
 "Cut Throat" After a shocking betrayal, one castaway faces the wrath of a former alliance, and a double eviction rocks the newly merged Te Tuna tribe, on SURVIVOR: SOUTH PACIFIC, Wednesday, Nov. 9 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 02, 2011, 11:04:59 PM
Jeff's TOUT:

http://www.tout.com/u/jeffprobst

"Cochran's return to camp is B R U T A L."

and

"People go home".
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Squall on November 03, 2011, 06:48:23 AM
I believe he said 2 people go home but i could be wrong
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 03, 2011, 06:51:12 AM
I thought duels were 1vs1 :groan:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Reality_Gal on November 03, 2011, 08:11:37 AM
Two people going home? I hope it is Cochran and Sophie. Don't like either.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: coolio on November 03, 2011, 07:41:14 PM
Jeff has a Travelocity Roaming Gnome on his shelf!
Also, by two people go home, maybe they have to duel to see who goes to RI. And the other leaves? *pure spec*
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 03, 2011, 09:25:20 PM
Y'all are right!! DOUBLE EVICTION!!

Check post 1 for the press release!!
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 03, 2011, 09:28:06 PM
Since when did Survivor have Evictions? :lol3:

but ugh at the double boot, I thought Jeff said duels were 1vs 1 :groan:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 03, 2011, 09:31:19 PM
Preview:

http://www.youtube.com/v/XQRbGf3e8Ls?version=3&hl=en_US
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 08, 2011, 03:45:10 AM
MaxxFisher spoilers:

2 ICs,2 TCs, no Redemption Duel,

Boots(highlight)

Ozzy & Jim

Alright with the second, but the first is meh. Hoping Keith can pull through at the 3 way duel  :groan:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Jobby on November 08, 2011, 04:39:44 AM
I'm not surprised with the boot... I think the only thing we can look forward to now is for Cochran to play with Upolu members and make it to the Final 3. :duno:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 08, 2011, 07:51:43 AM
If that spoiler is true then :jam: :yess:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: StephenWasHere on November 08, 2011, 08:11:48 AM
These boots = major   :yess: :yess: :yess: :yess:
My dream Final 3 is still intact this week.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 08, 2011, 08:17:32 AM
Here are some promo images from Survivor Fever:

Challenge: Shoot a coconut into a hole, and something with a bow and a ball, balance?

(http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff465/Aitutonga/s23_ep9_press_images_009.jpg)
(http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff465/Aitutonga/s23_ep9_press_images_010.jpg)
(http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff465/Aitutonga/s23_ep9_press_images_011.jpg)
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 09, 2011, 07:19:18 PM
Looks like Cochran is keeping company with former Upolu. They are going to fuel all their votes toward Ozzy.

Ozzy pleads to Coach.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 09, 2011, 07:20:50 PM
Jim won immunity. ???

Dawn is considering flipping to the Upolu.

Jim and Whitney talk about hating Cochran.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 09, 2011, 07:21:55 PM
Jim going to give Ozzy the necklace! :o Maybe

Wants everybody to vote for Cochran after a "rousing speech" :lol:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 09, 2011, 07:22:37 PM
Should be another interesting TC <3
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 09, 2011, 07:24:20 PM
Cochran says he flipped because he wants to control his own fate

Jim going on about how good he is :res:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 09, 2011, 07:25:11 PM
Brandon thinks it's poetic justice; he says the Upolus stand behind Cochran
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 09, 2011, 07:25:51 PM
Omg please vote out Cochran.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Aussie on November 09, 2011, 07:26:24 PM
Jim's telling everyone his life story.  :groan:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 09, 2011, 07:26:28 PM
Jim making a speech about honor, trying to get people to vote for Cochran :res: :res:

As if he's been honorable in this game
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 09, 2011, 07:28:13 PM
Kay I'm standing up for Jim.

:lol: @ Jim "I just don't like you"
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Aussie on November 09, 2011, 07:30:09 PM
 :lol: @ the way someone wrote Cochran.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 09, 2011, 07:35:00 PM
Okay so they've never shown scenes at Redemption Island.. unless they have a duel, of course when Ozzy gets there they show him doing his thing :lol: :res:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 09, 2011, 07:35:47 PM
Ozzy and Keith hangin out on RI

Immunity Challenge: Stand on a beam and balance a ball on a bow

TWIST: You can sit out the challenge and feast
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 09, 2011, 07:36:41 PM
Competing:
Jim
Dawn
Whitney
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 09, 2011, 07:38:15 PM
Jim out of the challenge :yess:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 09, 2011, 07:39:13 PM
GO Whitney!
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Aussie on November 09, 2011, 07:39:35 PM
GO DAWN!
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 09, 2011, 07:41:29 PM
Whitney wins immunity! :colors :hoot: :yess:

I hope that Albert/Sophie go with Whitney/Dawn and do something and get rid of Brandon and his pet Cochran.. or vice versa they're both pets :lol:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 09, 2011, 07:59:51 PM
Next Ep:

Albert wants to get on the Savaii good side, Coach is on to him and if anyone goes against the "family" they are dead.. Albert won't go, if my Whitney loses she goes home :(

hoping there is a HII that Whitney/Dawn can find and use that and their immunity to send Coach home but we'll see :lol:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: kiki on November 10, 2011, 03:42:41 AM
The way things are going if Coach goes to F3 with anyone but Albert or a Savaii member he wins.

Also I HATE BRANDON!
He is worse than his uncle. At least Russel was mean and proud of it. Brandon just thinks he is superior to everyone and gloats because others are in a difficult spot. But I guess he is just perfect for Coach.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 10, 2011, 07:53:39 AM
I think Cochran has a great chance of winning. I still don't understand why people hate him. :( Dawn and Whitney are interesting as well, however.

I'm really glad Ozzy and Jim were knocked off in this episode. Jim was pretending to be some kind of truth ambassador the whole time. :res: At first, he did not like Cochran, then he made a deal with Cochran, then he didn't like him again. So honorable. :res: I've hated his obnoxious attitude from episode one, so it's a good thing that only one of Ozzy and Jim if either of them can get back into the game.

Hopefully Dawn and Whitney flip in the next episode to get rid of somebody boring like Albert or Rick.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Reilly Queens on November 10, 2011, 08:24:52 AM
I think Cochran has a great chance of winning. I still don't understand why people hate him. :( Dawn and Whitney are interesting as well, however.

I'm really glad Ozzy and Jim were knocked off in this episode. Jim was pretending to be some kind of truth ambassador the whole time. :res: At first, he did not like Cochran, then he made a deal with Cochran, then he didn't like him again. So honorable. :res: I've hated his obnoxious attitude from episode one, so it's a good thing that only one of Ozzy and Jim if either of them can get back into the game.

Hopefully Dawn and Whitney flip in the next episode to get rid of somebody boring like Albert or Rick.

I can see why Jim was mad at Cochran this episode. Jim helped him stay at numerous tribals, such as Semhar's and Elyse's and Ozzy saved him when he sacrificed himself. Christine would be in the game and Cochran would be out, so Cochran really does owe them and he just stabbed them.

Whitney is all I'm rooting for, and a little bit of Dawn & Sophie.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Ruth on November 10, 2011, 11:16:24 AM
At the beginning, I wished Savaii would be picked off as they had guys like Ozzy, Jim and Keith who appeared rather arrogant. But now that they're really getting picked off, and seeing Jim, Whitney and Dawn fight for their lives during the IC while the rest ate their fill, I feel really bad for them. With all the Savaii guys gone, I'm hoping Upolu starts having internal strives and Whitney and Dawn get saved. I really hope so. I don't want this season to be as predictable as the last again, whereby one entire tribe gets picked off one by one...

I agree that Coach has a very good chance of winning. The shot of him earlier saying that he feels he has a good chance of going all the way... I wonder if that's a "premonition" that he really will. He hasn't offended anyone, he's played the game with some kinda honour (well at least he hasn't backstabbed anyone), he's a good leader of Upolu, he has a really good chance. Which is another reason I hope things get shaken up. I don't want to see another "Rob moment".
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: kiki on November 10, 2011, 11:22:21 AM
^ About Coach the most important thing is he hasn't offended really bad any Savaii member. If Upolu goes all the way and the F3 are from this tribe or even Cochran then we have 5 Savaii as jury members and so whoever can get their votes will win. (that automatically excludes Brandon!)
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Ruth on November 10, 2011, 11:52:42 AM
^ About Coach the most important thing is he hasn't offended really bad any Savaii member. If Upolu goes all the way and the F3 are from this tribe or even Cochran then we have 5 Savaii as jury members and so whoever can get their votes will win. (that automatically excludes Brandon!)

Yep. Brandon and Cochran are great candidates to take to the Final 3. Whoever's up against them should win the million hands down. But because Coach seems to have been doing everything for the tribe thus far... Even if he's up against the likeable people like Rick, Albert and Sophie, he'll probably still win against them. So I'm hoping that somehow, sometime, soon, Upolu does something to get rid of Coach.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Jobby on November 10, 2011, 01:30:35 PM
I don't even want to comment about anything else... about Jim, about Whitney... about... Coach.

All I want to say is...

F**K YOU BRANDON.

SHUT. THE. F. UP.

I was so disgusted by his words/actions and everything else this episode. PLEASE, mind my language. Brandon makes me SICK to the stomach. Whitney said it right, like SERIOUSLY, WHATEVER. If I were there, I'll have flipped him off, stood up and whacked the s**t out of him. I deemed him worst than Russell right now. He brings NO excitement/strategy into the game and he just whines/complains/speaks his mind like no other business.

I am SAD that he's a Christian. I wished they edited the part of him being a Christian out. He is not even in the rightful or fit position to talk/mention God. Seriously. Talk about HYPOCRITES?? When Dawn fed you food you WORSHIPPED HER. When Dawn just merely said she was disappointed, YOU SAID YOU DON'T BUY IT. WHO CARES IF YOU DON'T BUY IT. THOSE ARE COMPLETELY, TWO. DIFFERENT. MATTERS.

Omg. At first I still try to side and reason his actions by saying he's trying to do good and that he's actually a good guy. NOW, i'm completely shocked and came to a conclusion that he's just a "saturn in disguise", trying to "do good" through God's name but he's in fact, the biggest sinner of all.

O m g. I can't even believe the audacity of what he has done. I feel like punching him in the face.

Just let me rant okay? And I need somebody to agree with me. PLEASE AGREE WITH ME TO TELL ME I AM NOT ALONE. :meow:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: coolio on November 10, 2011, 03:21:24 PM
You aren't alone Joab.  :jam: :knuckles: :jam: :knuckles: (:;)
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 10, 2011, 03:25:19 PM
Brandon is a bit annoying, but seriously now :lol:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 10, 2011, 04:07:40 PM
I thought at first you were going to be talking about Cochran!  :lol:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: realshowfan on November 10, 2011, 05:23:24 PM
I'm with you Joab (well, on a less maddened extent lol)! Brandon talks about his ultimate despise for dishonourable people. Cochran flipped on his tribe and Brandon goes protecting him. He only thinks it's honorable based on his perceptions, and he is easily swayed, imo.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Jobby on November 10, 2011, 08:27:49 PM
No peach, Cochran, although slimey and went against his tribe, had a case going. He fought to stay alive with a group of people he felt comfortable with. Upolu went into a complete hypocritical to embrace him (something I agreed they did correctly and well) Naturally, Cochran, who had been undermined by his ability and ego, who had never felt so despised in his life, felt the need to increase his security by jumping ship to fulfill his needs of security and belongingness under the Maslow's Hierarcy of Needs.. so that he will be able to increase in his self-esteem. (OMG, Psychology)

BUT, Brandon's opinions and ideas are just based on his own perceptions, RSF is right. I view it as complete utterly bullsh*t.

Let's just say he just made his Hantz family name worst. SO MUCH MORE WORST. At least Russell had fans who loved his sneakyness. Look at Brandon.. find me a supporter and I bet he/she can't tell you why he/she likes him, other than the fact that he's completely a dumb brutally honest piece of @!#$%^&*()_!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Jobby on November 10, 2011, 08:31:41 PM
And not to forget, Whitney's the SECOND GIRL she bullied into crying.

No real man, makes girl cry... TWICE. :groan:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on November 10, 2011, 09:00:10 PM
I like Brandon. He's extremely loyal and has a good heart. He stood up for Cochran when the Savaii members were calling him names, and went to make sure Ozzy wasn't bullying Cochran after Tribal.

And Brandon made Whitney cry? No, Whitney cried because she felt "vilified", and that the Upolu tribe made her out to be a bully when she wasn't. Remember when she came back from the Tribal where Cochran flipped and began cursing at him, and calling him names? The Upolu tribe was standing not far away, and heard that, causing them to realize how badly Cochran was treated. So no, Brandon did NOT make Whitney cry- that was her own self.

I honestly don't understand where all this hatred is coming from. I see Brandon as a 19 year old kid who is simply trying to do the right thing. He may be misguided, but at least he wants to do the right thing, which is a heck of a lot more than the former Savaii- Cochran have been doing.

"Enough, enough. The smaller people don't have to take it anymore." 
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Kate04 on November 11, 2011, 02:14:52 AM

Ozzy knows his only chance was to stay alive at Redemption Island, come back, win immunities and go to F3 with Brandon and Cochran. Coach also knows his only chance is to take Brandon and Cochran to F3 so the way I see it, we have a repeat of Boston Rob and it's only a matter of whether it's Coach or Ozzy.  Brandon becomes the new Phillip and so on.

Coach is playing the social game brilliantly - it took him 2 seasons to get to this place but he's got it now, just like Rob did.  Ozzy is there too, though so I think the rest of this season should be interesting.  :tup:

Does anyone know when defeated RI players go to jury?
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Jobby on November 11, 2011, 07:07:06 AM
I like Brandon. He's extremely loyal and has a good heart. He stood up for Cochran when the Savaii members were calling him names, and went to make sure Ozzy wasn't bullying Cochran after Tribal.

And Brandon made Whitney cry? No, Whitney cried because she felt "vilified", and that the Upolu tribe made her out to be a bully when she wasn't. Remember when she came back from the Tribal where Cochran flipped and began cursing at him, and calling him names? The Upolu tribe was standing not far away, and heard that, causing them to realize how badly Cochran was treated. So no, Brandon did NOT make Whitney cry- that was her own self.

I honestly don't understand where all this hatred is coming from. I see Brandon as a 19 year old kid who is simply trying to do the right thing. He may be misguided, but at least he wants to do the right thing, which is a heck of a lot more than the former Savaii- Cochran have been doing.

"Enough, enough. The smaller people don't have to take it anymore."

I won't comment anything about Brandon trying to do good or what. Because it's really based on perspectives.

But there's one point you can't deny - And that is Brandon's constant bull**** DID make Whitney cry. Call Whitney emotionally weak or what, but Brandon was the cause of that. It's like if you as an adult snatch a toy from a 3 year old child and the child cries, it's YOUR fault as an adult, not the child's because the child has something taken away from him/her.

Brandon's action at tribal council was uncalled for. He didn't need to keep rattling on and on at Dawn, who didn't even comment ANYTHING negative/outburst at him. In my opinion, that was very very rude and ungentlemanly.

I know everyone here is entitled to have their own opinions, but for someone to be siding Brandon even though his actions were plain wrong, I just had to say something about it. Please don't be offended by me, my comments are really towards Brandon. I hope now you know where the hatred is coming from, it's simply just from the fact that Brandon is a "19 year old kid trying to do the right thing" in a WRONG way. A 19 year old kid who steals from a shop to raise money for his friend in financial trouble may have the RIGHT intentions but still do it the wrong way, so what's the point??? :duno:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 11, 2011, 07:27:22 AM
I always found Jim more annoying than Brandon, but whatevs. Brandon could be getting a bad edit because he's a Hantz or because he's a self-proclaimed Christian, but I don't hate him with such passions.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Jobby on November 11, 2011, 08:06:19 AM
I found Jim and Brandon equally on par. If Jim's in the main alliance, Jim's going to be the one who's taking Brandon's role for sure.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: chill_sd on November 11, 2011, 02:40:02 PM
Does anyone know when defeated RI players go to jury?

In the next episode there will be a RI challenge between Keith, Ozzy and Jim.  Two will survive, the loser will become the first jury member.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on November 11, 2011, 03:24:58 PM
I like Brandon. He's extremely loyal and has a good heart. He stood up for Cochran when the Savaii members were calling him names, and went to make sure Ozzy wasn't bullying Cochran after Tribal.

And Brandon made Whitney cry? No, Whitney cried because she felt "vilified", and that the Upolu tribe made her out to be a bully when she wasn't. Remember when she came back from the Tribal where Cochran flipped and began cursing at him, and calling him names? The Upolu tribe was standing not far away, and heard that, causing them to realize how badly Cochran was treated. So no, Brandon did NOT make Whitney cry- that was her own self.

I honestly don't understand where all this hatred is coming from. I see Brandon as a 19 year old kid who is simply trying to do the right thing. He may be misguided, but at least he wants to do the right thing, which is a heck of a lot more than the former Savaii- Cochran have been doing.

"Enough, is enough. The smaller people don't have to take it anymore."
But there's one point you can't deny - And that is Brandon's constant bull**** DID make Whitney cry. Call Whitney emotionally weak or what, but Brandon was the cause of that. It's like if you as an adult snatch a toy from a 3 year old child and the child cries, it's YOUR fault as an adult, not the child's because the child has something taken away from him/her.

Brandon's action at tribal council was uncalled for. He didn't need to keep rattling on and on at Dawn, who didn't even comment ANYTHING negative/outburst at him. In my opinion, that was very very rude and ungentlemanly.
? :duno:

Yeah,  I will agree that what he did to Dawn was uncalled for, but how on earth did he make Whitney cry? His comments were about Savaii treating Cochran poorly, and Whitney cried because she felt vilified. You're making it sound like Brandon spent his time at Tribal Council trash talking her. He was simply talking about how now that Savaii didn't have the numbers, they've changed and became nicer to the Upolu, but before, they were arrogant and treated people poorly. THAT'S what upset her, not Brandon. Yeah, it was his comments, but they weren't directed at her, but the former Savaii tribe.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Jobby on November 12, 2011, 12:37:17 AM
I like Brandon. He's extremely loyal and has a good heart. He stood up for Cochran when the Savaii members were calling him names, and went to make sure Ozzy wasn't bullying Cochran after Tribal.

And Brandon made Whitney cry? No, Whitney cried because she felt "vilified", and that the Upolu tribe made her out to be a bully when she wasn't. Remember when she came back from the Tribal where Cochran flipped and began cursing at him, and calling him names? The Upolu tribe was standing not far away, and heard that, causing them to realize how badly Cochran was treated. So no, Brandon did NOT make Whitney cry- that was her own self.

I honestly don't understand where all this hatred is coming from. I see Brandon as a 19 year old kid who is simply trying to do the right thing. He may be misguided, but at least he wants to do the right thing, which is a heck of a lot more than the former Savaii- Cochran have been doing.

"Enough, is enough. The smaller people don't have to take it anymore."
But there's one point you can't deny - And that is Brandon's constant bull**** DID make Whitney cry. Call Whitney emotionally weak or what, but Brandon was the cause of that. It's like if you as an adult snatch a toy from a 3 year old child and the child cries, it's YOUR fault as an adult, not the child's because the child has something taken away from him/her.

Brandon's action at tribal council was uncalled for. He didn't need to keep rattling on and on at Dawn, who didn't even comment ANYTHING negative/outburst at him. In my opinion, that was very very rude and ungentlemanly.
? :duno:

Yeah,  I will agree that what he did to Dawn was uncalled for, but how on earth did he make Whitney cry? His comments were about Savaii treating Cochran poorly, and Whitney cried because she felt vilified. You're making it sound like Brandon spent his time at Tribal Council trash talking her. He was simply talking about how now that Savaii didn't have the numbers, they've changed and became nicer to the Upolu, but before, they were arrogant and treated people poorly. THAT'S what upset her, not Brandon. Yeah, it was his comments, but they weren't directed at her, but the former Savaii tribe.

Is Whitney part of the former Savaii tribe? ;)
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on November 12, 2011, 07:20:55 PM
I like Brandon. He's extremely loyal and has a good heart. He stood up for Cochran when the Savaii members were calling him names, and went to make sure Ozzy wasn't bullying Cochran after Tribal.

And Brandon made Whitney cry? No, Whitney cried because she felt "vilified", and that the Upolu tribe made her out to be a bully when she wasn't. Remember when she came back from the Tribal where Cochran flipped and began cursing at him, and calling him names? The Upolu tribe was standing not far away, and heard that, causing them to realize how badly Cochran was treated. So no, Brandon did NOT make Whitney cry- that was her own self.

I honestly don't understand where all this hatred is coming from. I see Brandon as a 19 year old kid who is simply trying to do the right thing. He may be misguided, but at least he wants to do the right thing, which is a heck of a lot more than the former Savaii- Cochran have been doing.

"Enough, is enough. The smaller people don't have to take it anymore."
But there's one point you can't deny - And that is Brandon's constant bull**** DID make Whitney cry. Call Whitney emotionally weak or what, but Brandon was the cause of that. It's like if you as an adult snatch a toy from a 3 year old child and the child cries, it's YOUR fault as an adult, not the child's because the child has something taken away from him/her.

Brandon's action at tribal council was uncalled for. He didn't need to keep rattling on and on at Dawn, who didn't even comment ANYTHING negative/outburst at him. In my opinion, that was very very rude and ungentlemanly.
? :duno:

Yeah,  I will agree that what he did to Dawn was uncalled for, but how on earth did he make Whitney cry? His comments were about Savaii treating Cochran poorly, and Whitney cried because she felt vilified. You're making it sound like Brandon spent his time at Tribal Council trash talking her. He was simply talking about how now that Savaii didn't have the numbers, they've changed and became nicer to the Upolu, but before, they were arrogant and treated people poorly. THAT'S what upset her, not Brandon. Yeah, it was his comments, but they weren't directed at her, but the former Savaii tribe.

Is Whitney part of the former Savaii tribe? ;)

Yeah, but you're making it sound like he was just yelling at her, not the whole tribe. And why was he yelling at them? Because they bullied Cochran, and he felt that it wasn't fair, and spoke out against it.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: BayBay on November 12, 2011, 08:10:24 PM
I like Brandon. He's extremely loyal and has a good heart. He stood up for Cochran when the Savaii members were calling him names, and went to make sure Ozzy wasn't bullying Cochran after Tribal.

And Brandon made Whitney cry? No, Whitney cried because she felt "vilified", and that the Upolu tribe made her out to be a bully when she wasn't. Remember when she came back from the Tribal where Cochran flipped and began cursing at him, and calling him names? The Upolu tribe was standing not far away, and heard that, causing them to realize how badly Cochran was treated. So no, Brandon did NOT make Whitney cry- that was her own self.

I honestly don't understand where all this hatred is coming from. I see Brandon as a 19 year old kid who is simply trying to do the right thing. He may be misguided, but at least he wants to do the right thing, which is a heck of a lot more than the former Savaii- Cochran have been doing.

"Enough, is enough. The smaller people don't have to take it anymore."
But there's one point you can't deny - And that is Brandon's constant bull**** DID make Whitney cry. Call Whitney emotionally weak or what, but Brandon was the cause of that. It's like if you as an adult snatch a toy from a 3 year old child and the child cries, it's YOUR fault as an adult, not the child's because the child has something taken away from him/her.

Brandon's action at tribal council was uncalled for. He didn't need to keep rattling on and on at Dawn, who didn't even comment ANYTHING negative/outburst at him. In my opinion, that was very very rude and ungentlemanly.
? :duno:

Yeah,  I will agree that what he did to Dawn was uncalled for, but how on earth did he make Whitney cry? His comments were about Savaii treating Cochran poorly, and Whitney cried because she felt vilified. You're making it sound like Brandon spent his time at Tribal Council trash talking her. He was simply talking about how now that Savaii didn't have the numbers, they've changed and became nicer to the Upolu, but before, they were arrogant and treated people poorly. THAT'S what upset her, not Brandon. Yeah, it was his comments, but they weren't directed at her, but the former Savaii tribe.

Is Whitney part of the former Savaii tribe? ;)

Yeah, but you're making it sound like he was just yelling at her, not the whole tribe. And why was he yelling at them? Because they bullied Cochran, and he felt that it wasn't fair, and spoke out against it.

Just like Brandon harassed Mikayla and made false claims that she was trying to make sexual advances on all the members of his tribe? WHAT A HYPOCRITE!
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on November 12, 2011, 09:25:42 PM
I like Brandon. He's extremely loyal and has a good heart. He stood up for Cochran when the Savaii members were calling him names, and went to make sure Ozzy wasn't bullying Cochran after Tribal.

And Brandon made Whitney cry? No, Whitney cried because she felt "vilified", and that the Upolu tribe made her out to be a bully when she wasn't. Remember when she came back from the Tribal where Cochran flipped and began cursing at him, and calling him names? The Upolu tribe was standing not far away, and heard that, causing them to realize how badly Cochran was treated. So no, Brandon did NOT make Whitney cry- that was her own self.

I honestly don't understand where all this hatred is coming from. I see Brandon as a 19 year old kid who is simply trying to do the right thing. He may be misguided, but at least he wants to do the right thing, which is a heck of a lot more than the former Savaii- Cochran have been doing.

"Enough, is enough. The smaller people don't have to take it anymore."
But there's one point you can't deny - And that is Brandon's constant bull**** DID make Whitney cry. Call Whitney emotionally weak or what, but Brandon was the cause of that. It's like if you as an adult snatch a toy from a 3 year old child and the child cries, it's YOUR fault as an adult, not the child's because the child has something taken away from him/her.

Brandon's action at tribal council was uncalled for. He didn't need to keep rattling on and on at Dawn, who didn't even comment ANYTHING negative/outburst at him. In my opinion, that was very very rude and ungentlemanly.
? :duno:

Yeah,  I will agree that what he did to Dawn was uncalled for, but how on earth did he make Whitney cry? His comments were about Savaii treating Cochran poorly, and Whitney cried because she felt vilified. You're making it sound like Brandon spent his time at Tribal Council trash talking her. He was simply talking about how now that Savaii didn't have the numbers, they've changed and became nicer to the Upolu, but before, they were arrogant and treated people poorly. THAT'S what upset her, not Brandon. Yeah, it was his comments, but they weren't directed at her, but the former Savaii tribe.

Is Whitney part of the former Savaii tribe? ;)

Yeah, but you're making it sound like he was just yelling at her, not the whole tribe. And why was he yelling at them? Because they bullied Cochran, and he felt that it wasn't fair, and spoke out against it.

Just like Brandon harassed Mikayla and made false claims that she was trying to make sexual advances on all the members of his tribe? WHAT A HYPOCRITE!

And yet, in the end, he wanted to keep her over Edna. He just refused to vote for Edna because he made a deal with her because he wanted to be loyal, and play the game with integrity.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: StephenWasHere on November 12, 2011, 09:47:49 PM
I know it's a bit late, but WOW! What a nice episode! Seeing Jim get knocked off of his pedestal <3. Ozzy getting snuffed <3. Dawn/Cochran in general <3. Whitney having a breakout episode <3. But yeah, Jim's whole Honor thing made me lol. Especially with the spiel about giving up Immunity because he's true to his word. WELL HOW DID THAT WORK OUT?!?! HUH? Ugh...I'm worried next week for Dawn though :( :( :(

Still holding on for Dawn/Sophie/Cochran
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: coolio on November 12, 2011, 10:25:32 PM
I know it's a bit late, but WOW! What a nice episode! Seeing Jim get knocked off of his pedestal <3. Ozzy getting snuffed <3. Dawn/Cochran in general <3. Whitney having a breakout episode <3. But yeah, Jim's whole Honor thing made me lol. Especially with the spiel about giving up Immunity because he's true to his word. WELL HOW DID THAT WORK OUT?!?! HUH? Ugh...I'm worried next week for Dawn though :( :( :(

Still holding on for Dawn/Sophie/Cochran
Jim & Brandon are two of the biggest losers on Survivor ever. Jim talks about how he thinks Cochran's disgusting because he betrayed someone. If I remember correctly, didn't Jim create a plan to vote out Elyse who he was aligned with? Also his master plan to save Ozzy & vote out Cochran was all ready to go... until he realized it won't work, so he saves his butt instead of Ozzy. And don't get me started on Brandon. HE MADE WHITNEY CRY. For no reason whatsoever. Stupid Hantz.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Jobby on November 13, 2011, 12:08:00 AM
I like Brandon. He's extremely loyal and has a good heart. He stood up for Cochran when the Savaii members were calling him names, and went to make sure Ozzy wasn't bullying Cochran after Tribal.

And Brandon made Whitney cry? No, Whitney cried because she felt "vilified", and that the Upolu tribe made her out to be a bully when she wasn't. Remember when she came back from the Tribal where Cochran flipped and began cursing at him, and calling him names? The Upolu tribe was standing not far away, and heard that, causing them to realize how badly Cochran was treated. So no, Brandon did NOT make Whitney cry- that was her own self.

I honestly don't understand where all this hatred is coming from. I see Brandon as a 19 year old kid who is simply trying to do the right thing. He may be misguided, but at least he wants to do the right thing, which is a heck of a lot more than the former Savaii- Cochran have been doing.

"Enough, is enough. The smaller people don't have to take it anymore."
But there's one point you can't deny - And that is Brandon's constant bull**** DID make Whitney cry. Call Whitney emotionally weak or what, but Brandon was the cause of that. It's like if you as an adult snatch a toy from a 3 year old child and the child cries, it's YOUR fault as an adult, not the child's because the child has something taken away from him/her.

Brandon's action at tribal council was uncalled for. He didn't need to keep rattling on and on at Dawn, who didn't even comment ANYTHING negative/outburst at him. In my opinion, that was very very rude and ungentlemanly.
? :duno:

Yeah,  I will agree that what he did to Dawn was uncalled for, but how on earth did he make Whitney cry? His comments were about Savaii treating Cochran poorly, and Whitney cried because she felt vilified. You're making it sound like Brandon spent his time at Tribal Council trash talking her. He was simply talking about how now that Savaii didn't have the numbers, they've changed and became nicer to the Upolu, but before, they were arrogant and treated people poorly. THAT'S what upset her, not Brandon. Yeah, it was his comments, but they weren't directed at her, but the former Savaii tribe.

Is Whitney part of the former Savaii tribe? ;)

Yeah, but you're making it sound like he was just yelling at her, not the whole tribe. And why was he yelling at them? Because they bullied Cochran, and he felt that it wasn't fair, and spoke out against it.

You're completely not getting what I'm trying to say. My point is simple. Brandon's pointless trashtalking resulted in Whitney crying. Simple as that. Had he shut his mouth up, Whitney and Dawn wouldn't have feel as bad. That's just what I'm saying. You can go ahead and disagree. I am not even mentioning about the fact that he's protecting Cochran that's why he spoke up for him. I have nothing against him SPEAKING UP for Cochran, in fact he should as an individual to protect those who's bullied.

What I'm saying here, is HOW he DID his protection against Cochran, how his words were just bullcrap and completely rude and uncalled for.

There's a difference between

1. Cochran shouldn't be bullied and you all should have respected him more. (in a polite way)

AS COMPARED TO

2. Whatever Brandon said at Tribal Council :res: (the completely rude and uncalled for way)

Yep.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Jobby on November 13, 2011, 12:12:51 AM
I like Brandon. He's extremely loyal and has a good heart. He stood up for Cochran when the Savaii members were calling him names, and went to make sure Ozzy wasn't bullying Cochran after Tribal.

And Brandon made Whitney cry? No, Whitney cried because she felt "vilified", and that the Upolu tribe made her out to be a bully when she wasn't. Remember when she came back from the Tribal where Cochran flipped and began cursing at him, and calling him names? The Upolu tribe was standing not far away, and heard that, causing them to realize how badly Cochran was treated. So no, Brandon did NOT make Whitney cry- that was her own self.

I honestly don't understand where all this hatred is coming from. I see Brandon as a 19 year old kid who is simply trying to do the right thing. He may be misguided, but at least he wants to do the right thing, which is a heck of a lot more than the former Savaii- Cochran have been doing.

"Enough, is enough. The smaller people don't have to take it anymore."
But there's one point you can't deny - And that is Brandon's constant bull**** DID make Whitney cry. Call Whitney emotionally weak or what, but Brandon was the cause of that. It's like if you as an adult snatch a toy from a 3 year old child and the child cries, it's YOUR fault as an adult, not the child's because the child has something taken away from him/her.

Brandon's action at tribal council was uncalled for. He didn't need to keep rattling on and on at Dawn, who didn't even comment ANYTHING negative/outburst at him. In my opinion, that was very very rude and ungentlemanly.
? :duno:

Yeah,  I will agree that what he did to Dawn was uncalled for, but how on earth did he make Whitney cry? His comments were about Savaii treating Cochran poorly, and Whitney cried because she felt vilified. You're making it sound like Brandon spent his time at Tribal Council trash talking her. He was simply talking about how now that Savaii didn't have the numbers, they've changed and became nicer to the Upolu, but before, they were arrogant and treated people poorly. THAT'S what upset her, not Brandon. Yeah, it was his comments, but they weren't directed at her, but the former Savaii tribe.

Is Whitney part of the former Savaii tribe? ;)

Yeah, but you're making it sound like he was just yelling at her, not the whole tribe. And why was he yelling at them? Because they bullied Cochran, and he felt that it wasn't fair, and spoke out against it.

Just like Brandon harassed Mikayla and made false claims that she was trying to make sexual advances on all the members of his tribe? WHAT A HYPOCRITE!

And yet, in the end, he wanted to keep her over Edna. He just refused to vote for Edna because he made a deal with her because he wanted to be loyal, and play the game with integrity.

The idea here is "he wanted to keep her over Edna". But he didn't. He can say anything he wants. He can even say that his initial plan is to play with Christine. But how many of us actually buy what he said about wanting to keep Mikayla over Edna? I don't buy it. Look at who he voted for in the end. Anything about honour, integrity and everything else. I do agree, he is definitely honourable to his alliance. But they way he treats people, is probably just like how Russell kept true to his words to his alliance, but treated everyone else like crap on his tribe as well.

Let's just say the Hantz Family really needs to go for EQ courses, because they probably have none.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on November 13, 2011, 07:54:59 AM
I like Brandon. He's extremely loyal and has a good heart. He stood up for Cochran when the Savaii members were calling him names, and went to make sure Ozzy wasn't bullying Cochran after Tribal.

And Brandon made Whitney cry? No, Whitney cried because she felt "vilified", and that the Upolu tribe made her out to be a bully when she wasn't. Remember when she came back from the Tribal where Cochran flipped and began cursing at him, and calling him names? The Upolu tribe was standing not far away, and heard that, causing them to realize how badly Cochran was treated. So no, Brandon did NOT make Whitney cry- that was her own self.

I honestly don't understand where all this hatred is coming from. I see Brandon as a 19 year old kid who is simply trying to do the right thing. He may be misguided, but at least he wants to do the right thing, which is a heck of a lot more than the former Savaii- Cochran have been doing.

"Enough, is enough. The smaller people don't have to take it anymore."
But there's one point you can't deny - And that is Brandon's constant bull**** DID make Whitney cry. Call Whitney emotionally weak or what, but Brandon was the cause of that. It's like if you as an adult snatch a toy from a 3 year old child and the child cries, it's YOUR fault as an adult, not the child's because the child has something taken away from him/her.

Brandon's action at tribal council was uncalled for. He didn't need to keep rattling on and on at Dawn, who didn't even comment ANYTHING negative/outburst at him. In my opinion, that was very very rude and ungentlemanly.
? :duno:

Yeah,  I will agree that what he did to Dawn was uncalled for, but how on earth did he make Whitney cry? His comments were about Savaii treating Cochran poorly, and Whitney cried because she felt vilified. You're making it sound like Brandon spent his time at Tribal Council trash talking her. He was simply talking about how now that Savaii didn't have the numbers, they've changed and became nicer to the Upolu, but before, they were arrogant and treated people poorly. THAT'S what upset her, not Brandon. Yeah, it was his comments, but they weren't directed at her, but the former Savaii tribe.

Is Whitney part of the former Savaii tribe? ;)

Yeah, but you're making it sound like he was just yelling at her, not the whole tribe. And why was he yelling at them? Because they bullied Cochran, and he felt that it wasn't fair, and spoke out against it.

You're completely not getting what I'm trying to say. My point is simple. Brandon's pointless trashtalking resulted in Whitney crying. Simple as that. Had he shut his mouth up, Whitney and Dawn wouldn't have feel as bad. That's just what I'm saying. You can go ahead and disagree. I am not even mentioning about the fact that he's protecting Cochran that's why he spoke up for him. I have nothing against him SPEAKING UP for Cochran, in fact he should as an individual to protect those who's bullied.

What I'm saying here, is HOW he DID his protection against Cochran, how his words were just bullcrap and completely rude and uncalled for.

There's a difference between

1. Cochran shouldn't be bullied and you all should have respected him more. (in a polite way)

AS COMPARED TO

2. Whatever Brandon said at Tribal Council :res: (the completely rude and uncalled for way)

Yep.

Yeah, I do get your point. I just don't like how you keep making it sound like Brandon spent his time at Tribal Council attacking Whitney for no reason, when in actuality he was protecting a friend. Was his approach the right way? No. But his intentions were right, and I don't think he should be beat up for that.....
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Jobby on November 13, 2011, 09:59:22 AM
I like Brandon. He's extremely loyal and has a good heart. He stood up for Cochran when the Savaii members were calling him names, and went to make sure Ozzy wasn't bullying Cochran after Tribal.

And Brandon made Whitney cry? No, Whitney cried because she felt "vilified", and that the Upolu tribe made her out to be a bully when she wasn't. Remember when she came back from the Tribal where Cochran flipped and began cursing at him, and calling him names? The Upolu tribe was standing not far away, and heard that, causing them to realize how badly Cochran was treated. So no, Brandon did NOT make Whitney cry- that was her own self.

I honestly don't understand where all this hatred is coming from. I see Brandon as a 19 year old kid who is simply trying to do the right thing. He may be misguided, but at least he wants to do the right thing, which is a heck of a lot more than the former Savaii- Cochran have been doing.

"Enough, is enough. The smaller people don't have to take it anymore."
But there's one point you can't deny - And that is Brandon's constant bull**** DID make Whitney cry. Call Whitney emotionally weak or what, but Brandon was the cause of that. It's like if you as an adult snatch a toy from a 3 year old child and the child cries, it's YOUR fault as an adult, not the child's because the child has something taken away from him/her.

Brandon's action at tribal council was uncalled for. He didn't need to keep rattling on and on at Dawn, who didn't even comment ANYTHING negative/outburst at him. In my opinion, that was very very rude and ungentlemanly.
? :duno:

Yeah,  I will agree that what he did to Dawn was uncalled for, but how on earth did he make Whitney cry? His comments were about Savaii treating Cochran poorly, and Whitney cried because she felt vilified. You're making it sound like Brandon spent his time at Tribal Council trash talking her. He was simply talking about how now that Savaii didn't have the numbers, they've changed and became nicer to the Upolu, but before, they were arrogant and treated people poorly. THAT'S what upset her, not Brandon. Yeah, it was his comments, but they weren't directed at her, but the former Savaii tribe.

Is Whitney part of the former Savaii tribe? ;)

Yeah, but you're making it sound like he was just yelling at her, not the whole tribe. And why was he yelling at them? Because they bullied Cochran, and he felt that it wasn't fair, and spoke out against it.

You're completely not getting what I'm trying to say. My point is simple. Brandon's pointless trashtalking resulted in Whitney crying. Simple as that. Had he shut his mouth up, Whitney and Dawn wouldn't have feel as bad. That's just what I'm saying. You can go ahead and disagree. I am not even mentioning about the fact that he's protecting Cochran that's why he spoke up for him. I have nothing against him SPEAKING UP for Cochran, in fact he should as an individual to protect those who's bullied.

What I'm saying here, is HOW he DID his protection against Cochran, how his words were just bullcrap and completely rude and uncalled for.

There's a difference between

1. Cochran shouldn't be bullied and you all should have respected him more. (in a polite way)

AS COMPARED TO

2. Whatever Brandon said at Tribal Council :res: (the completely rude and uncalled for way)

Yep.

Yeah, I do get your point. I just don't like how you keep making it sound like Brandon spent his time at Tribal Council attacking Whitney for no reason, when in actuality he was protecting a friend. Was his approach the right way? No. But his intentions were right, and I don't think he should be beat up for that.....

It's a miscommunication then as I see from your post. I had never ever mentioned the part that Brandon spent his time at Tribal Council attacking Whitney only. He spent his time attacking Savaii, with the wrong way and approach, thus resulting in Whitney crying. Does this explanation from me makes much more sense now?

Whether his intentions were right or not, it really depends on one's perspective. If the intention was to protect Cochran, it's fair. If the intention was to exclude Savaii, make them feel horrible and throw them under the bus, then you should know whether it's good or bad. FYI, it did feel that way and I'm not the only one.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Cocoa on November 13, 2011, 10:03:36 AM
You've been using too much quote, y'all. :lol: :escape :sneak
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 13, 2011, 11:11:23 AM
You've been using too much quote, y'all. :lol: :escape :sneak

:lol: IKR?

At least Brandon is open and honest about his marital relations.
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 13, 2011, 11:12:27 AM
I know it's a bit late, but WOW! What a nice episode! Seeing Jim get knocked off of his pedestal <3. Ozzy getting snuffed <3. Dawn/Cochran in general <3. Whitney having a breakout episode <3. But yeah, Jim's whole Honor thing made me lol. Especially with the spiel about giving up Immunity because he's true to his word. WELL HOW DID THAT WORK OUT?!?! HUH? Ugh...I'm worried next week for Dawn though :( :( :(

Still holding on for Dawn/Sophie/Cochran

THIS :<3
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on November 13, 2011, 12:27:54 PM
Yeah, I know I'm the odd one out when I support Brandon. I truly do think he was trying to do the right thing.

If anything, though, at least he gets people talking. Interesting but Controversial people> People with no personality. Makes this season A LOT better than the last....
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Jobby on November 13, 2011, 12:35:18 PM
Oh my God, last season... all I remembered was knowing Rob will win about 5 episodes into the series. :lol:

But the last season that was really good was Heroes VS Villians... I think we need Queen Parv, Cirie and Amanda again. Can they invite back GIRLS PAST PLAYERS and stop inviting the guys? LOL

I have a feeling Brandon is already in their next Allstars list. :lol:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on November 13, 2011, 04:36:01 PM
Well, I think they've stopped the returning player thing....
Although I do want to see Rob C. back. ( I just realized how random that is)
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Prophet on November 13, 2011, 04:36:37 PM
Stacey and Christine need redemption!
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: StephenWasHere on November 13, 2011, 04:46:45 PM
Stacey and Christine need redemption!
THIS SO MUCH! I think Christine has an All-Stars spot locked up (hopefully)
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 13, 2011, 09:05:50 PM
You've been using too much quote, y'all. :lol: :escape :sneak

Thank you Cocoa.

really everyone, there is NO need. All you are doing is slowing down the page for everyone else. :res:
Title: Re: S23 EP 9 "Cut Throat"
Post by: Kate04 on November 16, 2011, 05:55:08 AM

Georgia - Haven't checked for a few days but I had earlier asked when contestants begin going to the Ponderosa???

One comment about Brandon - he lost me when he turned so viciously on Mikayla, and for what??  For being female??  He is worse than his uncle IMO  Does he think he is fooling everyone  :duno: Not me.