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Title: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on October 23, 2011, 02:48:12 PM
Hi all from Amsterdam, the Netherlands. :)
I'm new to this forum, so I'm not sure if this is the right place to start a topic about this, if not then I kindly request the moderator(s) to move this topic to the correct place.  :) Looks like a great forum though!  :tup:

I know the Mole has been gone from American and Australian tv, sadly, hence the Moleboard is archived.
However the series is still going here in the Netherlands (for which we're very grateful!)  :tup:

Friends of ours abroad mentioned how much they missed the show some friends & I decided to subtitle the most recent series (series 11 from this year). We got a lot of positive feedback from people all over the world, Molefans missing the show. So we decided to translate an earlier series too, series 5. Both series are complete and can be viewed free of charge and without any advertisement of sorts on a youtube account, here (http://www.youtube.com/user/ThatDarkSpark?feature=mhee).


As it stands, we're planning on subtitling the 12th series too as of January 2012.  :)
So my question is, would you guys be interested in watching the series as well?

If so I can give you regular updates here with links (not sure if youtube video's can be integrated here?) so Molefans here could have a bit of Mole back in their lives (even if it's subtitled) :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: TexasLady on October 23, 2011, 03:03:39 PM
Welcome to RFF Topita! Give it a try and let's see how it works out.  :tup:  I only got to watch one season of The Mole but it was fun to watch and guess the identity of the mole.

 :bigwelcome
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: georgiapeach on October 23, 2011, 03:14:43 PM
I'd love it!! We are BIG Mole fans here!

I knew The Netherland were BB fans but didn't know about the Mole, so yes please!

Will send you a PM with embedding YouTube "how-to's", or links are also fine.

Dank je wel!
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on October 23, 2011, 04:41:57 PM
Thanx a lot for the warm welcome to both TexasLady as well asGeorgiapeach!  :)
Very kind!!  :)

And thanx also for the help explaining the embedding thing. I hope I got it.  :res:

So here goes.. I will try to post the first episode of this year's series, so you guys can sneak a peek.  :)
If you want me to embed more, please tell me or otherwise you can watch the series on the youtube account I mentioned before.  :)

ETA:
The Dutch Mole series have a new element called a 'joker' (which was introduced in series 6).
It's basically a wooden token that can be used as a wildcard, to make sure one answer on the test that contestant gets wrong, will be corrected and counted as 'right'. The contestants can usually hand in a joker (or several) on any episode they like except for the very last one, in the finals.
In this series it was for the first time contestants could earn/ obtain/ win jokers for one specific episode.

Dutch Mole Season 11 in El Salvador, Episode 1.
Hope you'll enjoy it!  :)

http://www.youtube.com/v/-hUkplZEJ3I?version=3&hl=nl_NL

http://www.youtube.com/v/oFPq3PSE5g8?version=3&hl=nl_NL

http://www.youtube.com/v/wfvr9aMIbF4?version=3&hl=nl_NL

http://www.youtube.com/v/Mgv7HhreEE4?version=3&hl=nl_NL

http://www.youtube.com/v/QwlRWwumpm8?version=3&hl=nl_NL
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: georgiapeach on October 23, 2011, 05:28:54 PM

Almost had it...you just have to remove this bit at the end of the code:

=nl_NL
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on October 23, 2011, 05:46:04 PM
Almost had it...you just have to remove this bit at the end of the code:

=nl_NL

Ok great!  :tup:
Thanx a lot for your help Peaches!  :)  :ty3:

ETA

Now that I'm in the zone in embedding and all.. :P

Here's the brand new leader for the new series which will be in Iceland.  :)
(It aired this weekend for the first time)

http://www.youtube.com/v/X6U3lwZlSXM
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Prophet on October 23, 2011, 06:48:31 PM
:welcome: to RFF, Topita! Nice videos!
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on October 24, 2011, 05:41:56 AM
I'm a fan of The Mole. Glad there's such a thread  :hearts:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on October 24, 2011, 07:30:36 PM
Glad to hear it SuperTux!  :tup: &  :hithere: to Prophet too!

Looking forward to exchanging thoughts & theories with you all!  :wohoo:

Thanx for the warm welcome guys, I feel right at home already!  :)

I'll keep you guys updated on any news & bits about the new series.
Normally the first interviews and press-presentation will be at the beginning of December, so I'll definitely keep you posted. :)
Meanwhile you guys can get in MoleMood by watching the previous series if you like. :popcorn:

PS: Can't wait to have the opportunity to test out all these hilarious smileys!   :P
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: ZBC Company on October 25, 2011, 08:02:35 AM
i love you
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: kiki on October 25, 2011, 10:01:21 AM
I'm just watching season 11 in your channel. It's very good.
One question: This season all the players are actors or at least semi-famous. Is it always like this?

P.S. This the first mole I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: georgiapeach on October 25, 2011, 10:11:04 AM
Oh wow kiki, you missed a treat. Go watch the first couple of  seasons of the original one day, it was a fun, smart show.

I am saving this one for a guilty pleasure one day!
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on October 25, 2011, 06:27:24 PM
I'm just watching season 11 in your channel. It's very good.
One question: This season all the players are actors or at least semi-famous. Is it always like this?

P.S. This the first mole I've ever seen.

Great! :tup:

Fair warning though: You may become addicted..  :lol:
(Don't tell me I didn't warn you.. :P ).
Glad to hear you're enjoying it sofar!!  :)

To answer your question:
The (semi) celeb editions started with series 5 (the other series with subs on my channel).
Before that we had 4 series with 'regular' people. Really I don't know most of the celebs half the time, so to me it's pretty much the same as long as they know how to play the game and really immerse themselves in it.. It's more or less the same as having 'regular' contestants. :)

@Georgiapeach:
I assume with 'the original one' you mean the US series 1 & 2?   :)
I love Anderson Cooper and those were the best US Mole shows imho, but.. the original is Belgian though, I have to say (and definitely among the best Mole shows made imo). Just for the record. :P

Also the UK series and some of the Australian ones are definitely worth watching I think. 
The Dutch series does however have a number of (innovative) twists and unexpected things that other series don't have.. ;)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on November 11, 2011, 05:02:04 PM
Hi guys!  :)

Here's an interview with the new host of the new series in Iceland..
Fair warning though to those who haven't watched series 11 yet: contains spoilers!!  ;)

I expect there will be interviews with the new contestants in a few weeks.  :)
It seems we're going to have an intriguing first episode, judging by what he says about it.  :lol:

Ps the radio-hosts/ dj's do a bit of banter because they are former contestants on the show.  :)

http://www.youtube.com/v/YcQv5RWhfj4
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on November 29, 2011, 06:12:25 PM
Hi guys, I'm back!  :)
Sorry I haven't been around much but work's been taking up (read: sucking up  :lol: ) a lot of my time lately.

As promised I have two interviews with the new contestants on the Mole series 12, taken at a pressconference yesterday.
Just about one more month now before it's starting!!  :wohoo:

FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN SERIES 11 YET: THE VIDEOS CONTAIN SPOILERS ABOUT SERIES 11!!

For the others ( :lol: ) feel free to have a look, and speculate (that's all we've got at the moment anyway.  :lol: )
I'm now pretty convinced they'll be going to a second country by the way. They have done so before and it would make sense with the comments and the monotony of the images in the trailer (probably to try to avoid spoiling that.  :duno: )

I'd love to hear your thoughts about it.  :)


http://www.youtube.com/v/bjNtiR_rCAY 

http://www.youtube.com/v/atwveHtMD1Y
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Prophet on November 29, 2011, 07:16:40 PM
Thanks for sharing these, Topita! I've never watched the Mole before, but now I'm hooked!
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on November 29, 2011, 10:37:01 PM
Thanks for sharing these, Topita! I've never watched the Mole before, but now I'm hooked!

I have only watched the American version S1 and S5. It's a pity that ABC cancelled this smart show.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on November 30, 2011, 06:14:45 AM
Thanks for sharing these, Topita! I've never watched the Mole before, but now I'm hooked!

 :lol:
Well sorry!! ... Well no not really because I'm glad too! Nice to have you on board!  :hfive:  :tup:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on December 13, 2011, 04:05:22 PM
Hi guys! :)
I'm back with an update!  :cmas22

We got a new MoleMail today. :cmas23 (Sorry I love these X-mas smileys!  :cmaslol )
It's an interview with the new contestants on how they responded to the news when they were asked to participate.  :cmas22

http://www.youtube.com/v/WjyvvjxRlWo 

So, any impressions yet who our new Mole is...?? :sab
I think Tim is looking somewhat shady...  :sab
And Hadewych seems to be kept in the loop awefully much according to her story.. Never heard anyone say that before either so it's definitely odd..
Not sure if it's Mole-ish yet, but it's odd..  :cmaslol

By the way, she found out she was pregnant one day before they left for Iceland. ;-)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on December 21, 2011, 10:17:31 PM
Hi guys! :xmas49

Time for an update, an X-mas special on the Mole with interviews.  :cmas16
I expect this will be the last one before the series starts on January 5th 2012. So if you want to pick your preliminary Mole-suspect: Now is the time to do so!!  :cmas22
Just two more weeks guys!!  :cmas9

Interview 1:

http://www.youtube.com/v/CpkhfjHH-eI 

Interview 2:

(http://i.imgur.com/cfVic.jpg)

Anne-Marie Jung (35 yo, actress).

Were you watching the show before you participated?
I saw every season, especially since some of my friends participated in it before.
I think it's the best show on Dutch tv. When they asked if I'd be interested, I jumped for joy.
I did find it hard not to tell anybody though.

What did you tell your friends and family about participating?
I said I needed a break after my last show, and was going to a friend in Berlin.
Everybody thought that was plausible.

Which of your personalitytraits came in handy?
My fierceness, my enthousiasm and judgement of human nature.

What was the hardest part for you?
The strong wind on Iceland. It drove me nuts, really it made me desperate.
I can handle a thing or two but this was really heavy. You get all exhausted and chilled to the bone, when you need to be paying attention all the time. That wasn't easy.

Why would you be a good Mole?
I seem like a fun and funny person to people, which make people less suspicious of me.
I'm not mysterious.

Are you a good liar?
Yes. I'm an actress remember..

(http://i.imgur.com/psmFR.jpg)

Dio (23yo, rapper)

Why did you participate?
I think 'Wie is de Mol?' is one of the best shows. When I was asked I didn't hesitate for a second. It's like a fieldtrip for adults.

What did you tell your friends and family about participating?
I said I was going to go to Surinam for filming a pilot episode of a travelshow I was potentially going to host. During the Mole I sometimes thought: I wish I really was in Surinam now! The cold was definitely the hardest part of the whole game.

What was your strategy?
I created an alter ego. I'm quite talkative by nature but during the Mole I acted mysteriously. Friends and family probably won't recognize me, they'll get to see another Dio.

What would make you a good Mole?
In everyday life I try to lie as little as possible, but I'm a fairly good liar.
Also I am quite sociable, so people feel at ease with me quickly and give me information. I'm also good at sabotaging.

How did you experience the Mole?
As a lifetime-experience. I would do it again in a heartbeat, but only if it's in a warmer country.

(http://i.imgur.com/igNgU.jpg)

Frits Huffnagel (43, politician).

What did you think of Iceland?
It was a disappointment. I've been watching the Mole for years and it's always in remote, exotic locations with beautiful cultures. Finally I got to go and we go to Iceland, well..
It does make this season stand out more from the other 11 series.

Was it hard?
Yes, it was very heavy, all that hardship. I'm not surprised they filmed Nova Zembla in Iceland.

What was your strategy?
Winning by eliminating others.

What would make you a good Mole?
In politics I met somany people that aren't telling the thruth that all I had to do was copy that. I do however think I'm the first contestant ever that didn't lie.

That's not even possible is it?
That's why it's called 'Nothing is what it seems' (Niets is wat het lijkt). Hans Wiegel (famous politician) taught me you shouldn't lie, just don't give more information than is being asked.
So thanks to him I am now such a good contestant on the Mole.

What did you tell your family and friends about participating?
I just told them I was going away, nobody asked any questions.

(http://i.imgur.com/kIeVG.jpg)

Hadewych Minis (33yo, actress)

Why did you participate?
It's an enormous adventure. Also I was very curious about how I would be/act in such a group. Psychologically it has quite an impact: You arrive in a country, you have no idea what will happen next. I loved just surrendering to that, since I am normally somewhat of a controlfreak.

What did you tell friends and family?
I said I was going to Argentina to write music. Lots of friends gave me books and wellmeaning advice, to help me. I kept up the act the whole time.

What would make you a good Mole?
Sometimes I notice I have two faces. Due to my low voice and fierce look in my eyes I don't tend to come across as a sweet girl which I actually really am. That always bothers me a bit. I almost feel inclined to prove to people that I really am a nice person. In the Mole it actually works in your favor that people have a hard time pegging you.

Have you gotten to know yourself better?
I have a more positive image of myself. I discovered that I can be extremely focussed and I have more guts than I thought I did.

(http://i.imgur.com/0CKmU.jpg)

Liesbeth Staats (38, newsanchor/journalist).

How did you prepare yourself?
I'm a huge Molefan, so I knew the show already. Also two friends of mine participated before, one as the mole and one as a contestant, so they gave me a lot of valuable information. They warned me that the game is going on constantly and that you need to be on full alert the whole time. Still, I underestimated that, I didn't know it would be so heavy psychologically.

Which personality traits came in handy?
I'm a good observer, and as a journalist it's my job to ask the right questions. I took a lot of notes in my Mole-diary.

What would make you a good Mole?
I'm not a very open person, especially when you're just getting to know me.

Have you found out new things about yourself?
I notied that it was a benefit that I have two young kids. I can do well even with little sleep, which was something other contestants had a lot of problems with. Also it didn't bother me that at the time it was only dark for 4 hours per day when we were there.

(http://i.imgur.com/b4BBq.jpg)

Maarten van der Weijden (30yo, former Olympic champion swimmer)

Why did you partipate?
I'm a big Mole-fan, I think it's a great show. I especially love the unexpected things that happen, and the fact that it's a strategic game. They asked me last year but I wasn't able to make it. Fortunately I was given a second chance because I really wanted to experience it all for myself.

What did you tell your friends and family?
I truthfully told my girlfriend and my boss that I was going to be on the Mole.
My boss got very excited about it. I told other people I was going to do something for the media, I think some people suspected it might be about the Mole.

What was your strategy?
I started the Mole thinking I wanted to remain in it as long as possible.
That's why I chose to hedge my bets/ spread my answers as long as possible, and not to focuss on just one person. Not to get tunnelvision, just to keep neutral.

What would make you a good Mole?
People tend to trust me quite quickly which makes it easy for me to befriend everyone.
I'm a bad liar though so that would make me a bad Mole.

(http://i.imgur.com/HFjhP.jpg)

Marion Pauw (38yo, writer of thrillers).

Why did you participate?
Contrary to most contestants I'm not someone who watches the show. I did say yes though because it sounded very exciting and adventurous. In preparation for it I did watch several of the older series of the Mole obviously.

What was your strategy?
I just went in it blank, thinking: We'll see what happens.

How did you experience it?
I thought it was quite heavy. The Mole is a mindgame that just keeps on going and going non-stop. You're thinking and observing people all the time, not just during challenges but also during dinner or when you're brushing your teeth before bed. At some point I got tired of my own thoughts. So that, combined with lack of sleep, that made it very hard.

What would make you a good Mole?
I'm very friendly and sociable but I do my own thing meanwhile.
I don't need to be a part of everything necessarily.'

Why should people watch the show?
Iceland is quite spectacular, and the circumstances made it quite special.
Besides it's a really fun group of people. Tim Kamps and Frits Huffnagel are hilarious. There's a lot of fun and entertainment in this series.

(http://i.imgur.com/a2V6u.jpg)

Marit van Bohemen (39yo, actress, tvhost).

How did you prepare yourself?
I studied the other contestants carefully. I even contemplated finding out their phonenumbers to call them and question them anonymously, but I thought that was a bit too much.

What was your strategy?
Reading between the lines. There are always moments that people drop their mask,their act. Like just after a test/execution for example.

Which personality traits came in handy?
The fact that I am good at observing people. I can get along with a lot of people which also helped. People tend to trust me quickly.

How do you look back on partipating?
It was a once in a lifetime, heavy adventure. It was a lot harder than I had expected.
Iceland in itself is beautiful but man it's cold! Besides you have to keep up your act all the time, and the challenges are quite demanding too.

What did you think was the hardest part?
Missing my family. I have a 3,5 yo daughter. I'd been away from her for 2 nights once and thought it would be ok to be away a bit longer. Well, I'm never doing that again. Right after the Mole I booked us a holiday to the Algarve (Portugal), for all three of us.

(http://i.imgur.com/qEgGM.jpg)

Tim Kamps (34yo, comedian)

What did you think of Iceland?
Very cold and not very great. There's so little that grows there. It's more or less the same in Norway but there you at least have some trees. In Iceland you rarely saw any of that. It's like a moon landscape. I'd hoped we'd go to a sunny country.

Did you bring warm clothes?
Yes they told you which temperatures to prepare for.

What did you tell friends and family?
I told them I was going on a holiday with my dad. My dad was just on a holiday at the time so that came in handy.

Are you a good liar?
Yes.

Who did you confide into?
Arjen Lubach (other comedian with whom he forms a duo, and former contestant) and my brother.

What would make you a good Mole?
Perhaps the fact that people don't expect me to be. I'm also good at playing myself, I think that's very important.

Playing yourself??
Yes. Playing like you are yourself.

What was your strategy?
I didn't really have one. I'm good at improvising though.

(http://i.imgur.com/VRbgu.jpg)

William Spaaij (28, actor in musicals).

Why did you participate?
I think the Mole is definitely and by far the best show on Dutch tv. It's really exciting and it looks great. So if you're called and asked if you want to be on it, you'd be a loser to turn it down.

How did you prepare yourself for it?
I re-watched a couple of old seasons and asked a few ex-contestants for some tips and advice but I'm keeping it a secret what they told me. They were essential though, without them I wouldn't have won the show haha.

What was your strategy?
I'm an actor so I am used to playing roles. I did that on the Mole a little bit too. I took on different personalities, to confuse people all the time, and drive them crazy. I might look very friendly but I was acting like a bit of a ' jerk' on the Mole.

Which personality traits came in handy?
My fanaticism. I'm extremely fanatical and as an actor, I am a good liar.

What did you think of Iceland?
The first few days were like hell. The wind made it incredibly cold. Apart from that it's a beautiful country, vast and empty but also quite diverse. There are mountains, waterfalls, geothermic spa's .. That's what makes this series so special, it looks amazing.

Also:
One bit of info on the opening/ first challenge:
Ten contestants are all dropped separately in different places with their luggage.
They get a picture and need to find their location.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on December 22, 2011, 03:25:18 AM
I thought it might be fun to add a poll to this topic.  :cmas22
So feel free to cast your first vote!
The poll will close when the first episode is broadcast. I will open a new poll after the whole subtitled episode is online and can be watched by everyone. (be sure to not look at it before you watched the episode because it would contain a spoiler about the person having been executed, in most cases. ;) )
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on December 22, 2011, 06:47:15 PM
I've voted for Hadewych Minis because she looks a bit like Kathryn Price.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on December 30, 2011, 09:03:52 AM
I've voted for Hadewych Minis because she looks a bit like Kathryn Price.
Sounds like a good reason to me!  :cmas22
Hadewych's definitely on my preliminary list, for now. I'm sure she could pull it off and probably do a decent dirty Molejob.  :cmaslol

So here I am with probably the last update before episode 1, in terms of footage anyway I think. 
This is the promo of the Mole as it airs on Dutch tv now, with footage of the first challenge:

http://www.youtube.com/v/XdBSfs9SQTs

- It would seem the contestants are all dropped individually and have a 3 hour time limit to find the destination they are given on a photograph.
They seem not to be in touch with eachother. (Which would be a perfect Mole opportunity if that is the case imo ;-))

Two more things:
- Apparently episode 1 is 10 minutes longer than usual. I wonder why that is, perhaps some sort of twist??
- According to the Avro tv guide there will be 11 episodes this year too instead of the usual 10!
Still awaiting more confirmation on that, but if that's true, that would be great obviously!!!

I'm hoping we can get the translations and subs done over the weekend, so hopefully we can post episode 1 around January 9th/ 10th for you guys. (It is a lot of work I'm afraid, some 10+ hours per episode but I promise we'll try to get it done as quickly as possible :) )
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: georgiapeach on December 30, 2011, 10:23:49 AM
Thanks Topita!!

This is looking awesome and I am so excited that we will be able to be included in the fun thanks to y'all!!  Can't wait!! :jumpy:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: kiki on December 30, 2011, 11:53:52 AM
Thanks for the info! I'll check your channel quite often to watch the new episodes. keep us updated.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on December 30, 2011, 04:29:07 PM
@Peach, very happy to hear it & to help out!  :cmas16

Thanks for the info! I'll check your channel quite often to watch the new episodes. keep us updated.

Sure no worries I will definitely keep you posted here and put up the new episodes via youtube embed as soon as they're uploaded. :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 08, 2012, 10:55:15 AM
This was the result of the pre-show vote:  :)

(http://i.imgur.com/6mHfI.jpg)

I'll be creating a new one so you can vote for your Mole after episode 1.

I would advise you not to look at it before you watched the episode since it will contain a spoiler. ;)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 08, 2012, 11:05:32 AM
So here we are, episode 1 of Series 12.  :wohoo:
I hope you will all enjoy it and feel free to share your thoughts, suspicions, speculations!
After all that's what makes it more fun!!  :lol:

With many thanks to three friends who helped out with the subs this episode.   :tup:

THE MOLE ICELAND - EPISODE 1

PART 1:

http://www.youtube.com/v/My1RJCqEaUg


PART 2:

http://www.youtube.com/v/cNZzeS46HiY


PART 3:

http://www.youtube.com/v/LI02NYi7hzk


PART 4:

http://www.youtube.com/v/ZLEsdMMmemg 
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: addie on January 08, 2012, 02:37:59 PM
Leuk, zit je ook op Realitynet? :lol:

(This is dutch ;))
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 08, 2012, 02:59:27 PM
Leuk, zit je ook op Realitynet? :lol:

(This is dutch ;))

Ja.   ;)
I posted this on this forum in order for Molefans everywhere to find it.  :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: georgiapeach on January 08, 2012, 09:03:43 PM
Oh I LOVE it!! Thank you so much!! Y'all made it easy to follow, I don't feel like I am missing a bit!!
 
 :wohoo:
 
I missed me some Mole. :lol:

Heh, I didn't think it was that person... because  of (spoiler)

Show content
she left her suitcase...I figured if she was the Mole she would be sure she was getting it back. So much for THAT idea!! :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on January 09, 2012, 02:56:59 AM
Dutch and English are similar. So many words are almost the same. :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 11, 2012, 07:24:06 PM
Oh I LOVE it!! Thank you so much!! Y'all made it easy to follow, I don't feel like I am missing a bit!!
 
 :wohoo:
 
I missed me some Mole. :lol:

Glad you enjoyed the episode Peach, hope you'll enjoy all the rest of it just as much!  :)
I'm glad to hear you found the subs easy to follow, I will pass it on to my friends who helped out.  :tup:

Dutch and English are similar. So many words are almost the same. :lol:
True. They are both Germanic languages by origin.  ;)

Episode 2 is almost here (broadcasted tomorrow on Dutch tv), so here's a teaser and a sneak preview of the episode for you guys!  :)

Also: Don't forget to vote for your Mole in the poll!  ;)

Teaser:

http://www.youtube.com/v/_2_ESR2iGzM

One minute preview of episode 2:

http://www.youtube.com/v/EKNy_o_9wFc

Can hardly wait for it to be tomorrow again!!  :wohoo:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 16, 2012, 05:50:24 PM
Ok so these were the votes / predictions in the poll last time.  :)
I will make a new poll in the topic so:
 
Please be careful not to look at it before you've seen the episode because it will contain a spoiler!  ;)

Votes before episode 2:

(http://i.imgur.com/DjWXN.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 16, 2012, 05:55:01 PM
Ok guys, ready for some Mole again??   :wohoo:

Here's episode 2 of the Mole in Iceland!! Enjoy!!  :)

Please feel free to share your thoughts, suspicions, speculations!  :sab


With many thanks to two friends who helped out with the subs this episode.   :tup:

THE MOLE ICELAND - EPISODE 2

PART 1:

http://www.youtube.com/v/d0RV5AZ64Q4


PART 2:

http://www.youtube.com/v/1GABYypb8zE


PART 3:

http://www.youtube.com/v/D3jmMAWCIG0


PART 4:

http://www.youtube.com/v/-ayaZHlYFk4 
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on January 16, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
OK, they finally earned some money in the pot. :lol3:

I don't think Dio's gameplay was smart. :groan: The Mole wouldn't sabotage the game in his way. According to this episode in the test he probably focused on Hadewych, the #1 suspect in my eyes before this season premiered. Seems I was wrong again? :duno:

By far I think Anne-Marie is not the Mole. For other contestants there's always a chance.

P.S. Is there any ratings/share info of this season? Wondering how many Dutch people are watching it. :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 16, 2012, 09:52:34 PM
Not that sure about Anne-Marie myself sofar tbh.  :lol3:
We've had Moles like that before i.e. seeming to be standing out yet people wavering on it, thinking it was 'too obvious' or 'no it can't be them'   :lol:
On the other hand we had subtle moles and very unlikely, unsuspected moles too,,  :lol:
For the time being I'd say her edit suggests she isn't the mole since it's leading. But then again who knows since we did have other moles being obvious or put in the spotlight in some ways before too... (That's how the show still survived here ;-))

As for ratings I think the official count was near or went to 2 million or over (with adjustment of repeats and online viewing too I think which was quite good for Dutch standards)

The initial viewercount was near 1,9 million I think.
(As we are a small country of some 16 million inhabitants, those tv-ratings are pretty good respectively).

In any case lots of people in the Netherlands are watching and debating about it.  ;)
If you like you can check out the official forum or one of the main fan forums where people keep debating till deep into the night even at times..  :lol3:

ETA:
About Dio, I need to add one more thing.
His diary and exit interview on the radio made clear they only approached him 1 day before they left to Iceland.
I guess someone else had to cancel very last-minute??
So he didn't have the chance to prepare..

Nonetheless his personality shines through in all interviews and twitters especially.
I never thought he would be the mole and ruled him out for several reasons in advance.
But the thing I find most disturbing is that he didn't care...
I liked his sense of humor but really he didn't seem to give a f*ck.. No offense but not even trying to climb some stairs??
Where's your head at boy??  :lol:
Dio may not have know what he got himself into but he did it nonetheless for 'fame' or his resume or whatever. He definitely wasn't cut out for the game, nor in any way living up to it.

A deserved second exit imo in spite of what he brought to the group.
People coming into the game and not willing to actually play it (i.e. without strategy for whatever reason) deserve to be out imo.  ;)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 16, 2012, 10:27:22 PM
@SuperTux

I think this is still before adjustments wrt online viewers and viewers watching the re-run.
These are the 'sec' viewers on the time it's broadcasted.
These are the tv broadcastings over all Dutch tv Networks by an independant organisation.
So this is an overview of the ratings of the whole day of both public and commercial nerworks  :)

Thursday January 5th (epi 1)

(http://i.imgur.com/Xrelo.jpg)

(Journaal  = the news, always ranking very high/at the top  ;) )

Thursday January 12th:

(http://i.imgur.com/As5Ex.jpg)

Hope it answers any questions you had on the matter.  ;)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on January 17, 2012, 02:16:39 AM
But then again who knows since we did have other moles being obvious or put in the spotlight in some ways before too... (That's how the show still survived here ;-))

Aha, you just remind me of some CBS shows (Survivor, TAR, etc). Some fans now have got the ability to distinguish the winner after watching 4 or 5 episodes. CBS has to be cleverer. :lol3:

The initial viewercount was near 1,9 million I think.
(As we are a small country of some 16 million inhabitants, those tv-ratings are pretty good respectively).

Wonderful ratings! 1.9 million, so we can round it up to 2 million. 2/16=12.5%.

There are over 300 million people in America. 300 million*12.5%=37.5 million. I don't think there's any TV series (even NFL games) in America that's able to get so many viewers in every episode.

I liked his sense of humor but really he didn't seem to give a f*ck..

Oh, "f*ck", another reminder. It cracked me up when contestants spoke out F words. Seems Dutch TV doesn't have bleep censor?

P.S. What does "tijd" means in the two pictures you presented? ???
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 17, 2012, 04:04:24 AM
Wonderful ratings! 1.9 million, so we can round it up to 2 million. 2/16=12.5%.

There are over 300 million people in America. 300 million*12.5%=37.5 million. I don't think there's any TV series (even NFL games) in America that's able to get so many viewers in every episode.
Yeah it fluctuates a little but last years series got  I think between 1.8 million to well over 2 million, this year's series appears to be doing very well too judging by the initial ratings.

Quote
Oh, "f*ck", another reminder. It cracked me up when contestants spoke out F words. Seems Dutch TV doesn't have bleep censor?
:lol3:
True we don't. We do have rules about when certain things can or can't be aired or when something has strong violent scenes or graphic ***ual scenes there's a logo and/ or warning before it starts to warn parents. But no bleeps, no.  :lol:
F*ck happens to be a word that many of my compatriots adopt freely though I myself only use it in times of frustration when nobody else is involved, I would hate to offend anybody.  ;)
Quote
P.S. What does "tijd" means in the two pictures you presented? ???
'Tijd' = 'time'.
We don't measure time in AM and PM here.
So 8.32 PM = 20.32 o'clock here in terms of digital indication of time, we indicate it in 24-hour intervals.  :)

By the way: Each time the test starts you can hear the host's voice-over say 'tijd voor de test' i.e. 'time for the test'.  :sab
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on January 17, 2012, 06:02:41 AM
By the way: Each time the test starts you can hear the host's voice-over say 'tijd voor de test' i.e. 'time for the test'.  :sab

Oh, I didn't even notice that! :groan: If I participated in the show, information like this should be very important. I shouldn't have missed that. :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 19, 2012, 06:38:31 AM
 :lol:
No worries SuperTux! We'll make sure you're fluent in Dutch by the end of this series ..  :tup:

Here are the teaser and the 1 minute preview of episode 3 (airing tonight!  :wohoo: )
Iceland Vice..    :lol:

By the way, a 'joker' is like a wildcard/ free pass on a question. It corrects/ neutralizes a question the contestant answered wrong on their test.  Exemptions (= pass on the entire test) are green flat disks, jokers are thick wooden disks.

Also: Please don't forget to vote for your Mole in the poll!  ;)


Teaser:

http://www.youtube.com/v/dgXL1f7utsc


One minute preview of episode 3:

http://www.youtube.com/v/ydHphPApjho


By the way.. Can't believe you guys have a smiley with the Travelocity Gnome here..  :gnome
Too funny!!  :lol3:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 23, 2012, 05:39:02 AM
Hi guys!  :)

So who's up for some Mole?   :sab  :wohoo:

Here's episode 3 of the Mole in Iceland ...
Oozing of adrenaline, psychological mindgames and ehmm mystery..!! :P :sab Enjoy!!  :)

Please feel free to share your thoughts, suspicions, speculations!


With many thanks to two friends who helped out with the subs this episode.   :tup:

THE MOLE ICELAND - EPISODE 3

PART 1:

http://www.youtube.com/v/1rhYi4OT6v4


PART 2:

http://www.youtube.com/v/Cr1UJ7rH1n4


PART 3:

http://www.youtube.com/v/qqcsRL5YtRg


PART 4:

http://www.youtube.com/v/t4uxSwy8T80 
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on January 23, 2012, 07:16:43 AM
Good work, Topita! Thanks for the update.

Liesbeth is lovely! :hrt:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on January 25, 2012, 01:57:24 AM
In the Dutch version of The Mole, is there any hint about the final 3, the eliminee or somebody else, hidden in every episode, waiting to be discovered by viewers, just like what the American version did?

For example, in The Mole US S5, there were several hints hidden such as...

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In the opening credit of this season, if you observed carefully, you could find that the intro of the Mole was a little different from others. But almost nobody, as far as I know, has recognized this point. :lol3:

The host was always drinking red wine even in some cases where it was not necessary. It was just like what happened  in S2 where the host was always eating apples. They all indicated the residence of the Mole.

At the beginning of EP3, something hidden in the map indicated that Ali wasn't the Mole.

... ... ... ...

Also I'm wondering whether or not fans can log on the official website of Wie is de Mol to answer those 20 questions in every episode. I think it would have been better if all questions were shown in the end of each episode on TV. :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 25, 2012, 08:36:14 AM
Hi SuperTux!
To answer your questions respectively: :)

1. Yes there are clues about the identity of the Mole hidden in the series. They are revealed in the last episode in the Mole-reveal when all the sabotages are discussed as well. It's usually just 3 or so minutes of the airtime and often the hints are explained more elaborately on the official website due to it only being for the group of die-hard fans discussing them and looking for them by analyzing every bit of the episodes.  :lol3: (and trust me they do, that is in no way an exaggeration..  :lol: )

The hints vary a lot. We've had 12 series now so sometimes they involve the leader/ intro, sometimes they are interwoven with the country and culture they are visiting (eg in Mexico there was a clear hint related to the Maya calender). Sometimes they are quite intricate and complex/fun yet sometimes they are a bit lame imo. A mixed bag really.  :lol:

You never really know where to look for them but usually they present a pattern. Last year we had a hint in the titles too. eg one title was called 'Land Ahoy' and the Mole had to make a picture of the flag of Nicaragua.  :)

2. This year we also have clues about the next person to get executed (that's not always the case).
It isn't in the show itself though, but in the for of musical hints. So it's a bit ambivalent because it can be interpreted in different ways, but it's a clue anyway.  :)

If you like I can put them up here too.  :)

3. There is kind of a test but it's not the test the contestants take I think on the official website (http://www.wieisdemol.nl). It's in Dutch though.  ;)
I would recommend you not to watch before you watch the episode here though because it will contain spoilers about the person who was executed.  :)

So.. Do you guys have any lead suspects yet? :sab
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on January 25, 2012, 08:44:39 PM
I suspect William now. :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 26, 2012, 06:50:58 AM
I suspect William now. :lol:
He's shady for sure.  :lol:

An update!  :)
The one minute preview and promo/teaser for episode 4!   :tup:

Seems like:
1.They are going to an abandoned airfield/ airport for a challenge.
2.They'll be diving in very cold watersinvolving 'youth' (?) pix.
3. There will be tough negotiations and a 'devilish dilemma' to make and decide on for their 'sunny' future.  ;)
(i.e. another,sunnier, country?? Hopefully  :lol3: )

Teaser for episode 4:

http://www.youtube.com/v/iRJBZpnPn5w


One minute preview of episode 4:

http://www.youtube.com/v/lsy6B9LHbQ0
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on January 26, 2012, 08:10:29 AM
***The Following May Contain Spoilers Till EP3***
Suspect: William (from my observation)

 
EP1
Arrival: 1) Most contestants' intros came right concomitantly with their arrival except William. William appeared and talked a lot in the show before Annie-Marie did, but his intro came after hers.
           2) He talked about the suspicious "pole" to pursuade Annie-Marie. ???

Find the Money Container: I think it was HIM who found the container with minus money. When he found the container he rocked it and sneakily said, "I think I got an exemption."

Exemption Contention: William was in pair with Dio by that time. Marit surrendered, but what the heck were William and Dio doing? Searching for the jokers? :lol3: Dio were eliminated, so we know... :sab

EP2:
In video part 1 Frits said, "Just one thing is for sure about the Mole... William is totally nuts." I think it came out weirdly...

Go up the stairs: William said he was the first one suggesting the first one staying in his/her own place should be the most suspicious one, but by contrast he said whether she (Annie-Marie) stayed first didn't matter much to him. ??? And he went all way to confuse others' calculation. He made a great mistake there, remember.

Smoke Code: William didn't show the code clearly as Liesbeth and Marit did.

EP3:
Joker or Envelop: I think William knew the first envelop contained something different.

A Tour round the City: Only Tim and William thought Marit was lying.

In recent episodes he tried to convince the viewers that he wanted to put more money in the pot, and he said Frits was the Mole. If Frits really was, it was stupid of the producer to show it so early.

But it seems that almost nobody on Youtube agrees with me that William is the Mole... :groan:

P.S. I learned that Hadewych wasn't allowed to go on the riverjet because she was 5 weeks pregnant at the time (she found out one dat before they left for Iceland. :tup:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 26, 2012, 10:51:44 AM
P.S. I learned that Hadewych wasn't allowed to go on the riverjet because she was 5 weeks pregnant at the time (she found out one dat before they left for Iceland. :tup:

 :lol3:

Yeah that was me commenting on it because she sent a tweet saying she wasn't allowed to due to being 5 weeks pregnant.  :lol:
She's now still anxiously awaiting the baby to come, poor thing.  :hrt:

Just thought I would mention it in case people wondered why she wasn't on that riverjet.  :lol:

But there are a few people who do agree with you though (on another forum) wrt William. I'm afraid I don't for now though.
If anyone can pull his tactics off it would be William indeed, and honestly I would love him to be!!  :hearts:

My main objection is that he would take away a joker from a contestant as a Mole. That may not seem big but to me it's kind of a no-no.
Nonetheless there is nothing conclusive to say he isn't and he'd make a great Mole!  :tup:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 29, 2012, 08:01:58 PM
Hi y'all!  :)

Time for some psychological warfare... :sab  :lol:

Here's episode 4 full of negotiations and sunny promises..  ;)

Enjoy!  :tup:


(With many thanks to some friends who helped out with the subs this episode.    :ghug: )

THE MOLE ICELAND - EPISODE 4

PART 1:

http://www.youtube.com/v/NFakanU3Z1Y


PART 2:

http://www.youtube.com/v/-fB3CP4J5bc


PART 3:

http://www.youtube.com/v/K9lVQBDdKGU


PART 4:

http://www.youtube.com/v/wG7dKJaOOm0 
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: georgiapeach on January 29, 2012, 08:33:01 PM
Yippee!!   :tu
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: georgiapeach on January 29, 2012, 10:59:15 PM
Hmmm. I just watched Ep 3...and noticed that occasionally there was a brief scratchy lag in the film...

SO I got susicious and screencapped one of those areas...and then some others. Because for just a second here and there (literally 2 sec=~70 caps) there were split second hidden images. I think they are clues to the Mole. There could have been more, these are what I found:
 
SPOILERS!!



Ep 3 part 1 1st clue
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Ep 3 part 1 2nd clue

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EP 3 part 2 (just when Marit finished talking about her reason to not take the joker)

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Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 30, 2012, 12:30:16 AM
Peach!  :hrt:

I have to say you should join the forums and discuss it with us all!  :)

Yes people have been diving into this too! (Well basically every bit of film is analyzed and searched for potential clues, and honestly they can be in anything, so there's no telling what is or isn't  :) )

One thing. The 'scratchy bits' you mention are socalled 'blipverts' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blipvert). They introduced them in series 11, there turned out to be no hints on them then but that's not to say there won't be this year.  ;)

It's interesting you mention these because there has been some speculation about them. I didn't have the time to read it all but I think wrt your #1 example the idea was that the Mole would be amongst the painters, as it was seen from the 'Mole's perspective' . Some even linked it to Frits's sign ('Sporters' i.e. sportspeople written in a weird (M-shaped?) fashion).

Obviously most people are well in their tunnel vision now  :lol3:  so it's hard to say what is or isn't plausible - but I think it's definitely a possibility. The Mole's Perspective thing corroborated to some extent by the fact that the very first sequence in the series showed the Mole getting to the airplan- wreck to take off an hour of their time. That was seen from the Mole's perspective too so this may be a clue.  :)

Your second series ties in with that a little but also there's a cross. You'll see that crosses are appearing more significantly in Ep 4.
It's hard to say what it means it might just be an impression. One has the word 'List' on it (in epi 4). That's intriguing because there's a celeb called Liesbeth List (which might be a clue for Liesbeth, also LIST , LIesbeth STaats, her name). Or it may be a clue to William who played Ramses, (Liesbeth List was his lifelong partner).

Then again it could all be just some nice images or a nice red herring.  :lol3:
It's interesting to see though, you'll see the new destination definitely has plenty of crosses.  :)

There once was a clue with the Mole wearing a + necklace. The + turned out to be the Japanese symbol for 10 (The series was set in Japan and this was the 10th Mole). So clues like that can certainly be in the series.  :)

I'm intrigued by your last series of the Northern Light (Aurora Borealis). Fact is, that can't even be seen in May when they filmed this. So they definitely editted this in. Could be random to have the kind of Icelandic / 'Arctic' feel, but frankly these images returned in I believe 3 episodes. Marit means both Pearl and Daughter of the Light so this may point to her.. (Then again there's a clue that hints she may not make it through the next round :(  so we'll see..)

At any rate, very interesting speculations!!  :tup:

It's hard to tell what is or isn't a hint. I get the feeling the 4263 (The code in epi 2, smoke signal challenge) may well be. Because the difference is exactly 21 (21, 42, 63) and 21 is the reverse of series 12, where we are at now.. Some people have launched some speculations about Runic Script (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runic_script) being involved (i.e. being in Iceland, and there were hints about Viking(s) too).
Sofar I think the evidence of this is a bit too thin, and the speculations are a bit wild.  :lol:
But if I think something more concrete comes out ito theories I will definitely share it with you guys.  :)

Thank you again for sharing your impressions and thoughts, I love reading them!  :tup:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: georgiapeach on January 30, 2012, 01:15:00 AM
This is the stuff I love about the Mole, we analysed and spoiled our first ones too.

If and when I get to watch the 4th ep, I will look for more...or if you need something from the first two let me know!
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on January 30, 2012, 01:35:31 AM
There once was a clue with the Mole wearing a + necklace. The + turned out to be the Japanese symbol for 10 (The series was set in Japan and this was the 10th Mole). So clues like that can certainly be in the series.  :)

It is actually a Chinese character, and Japanese also uses this counting system. 十, pronounced shi(just like "sh" in English word "shoe") in Chinese pinyin and jyuu in Japanese, simply means ten. :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 30, 2012, 09:01:03 AM
There once was a clue with the Mole wearing a + necklace. The + turned out to be the Japanese symbol for 10 (The series was set in Japan and this was the 10th Mole). So clues like that can certainly be in the series.  :)

It is actually a Chinese character, and Japanese also uses this counting system. 十, pronounced shi(just like "sh" in English word "shoe") in Chinese pinyin and jyuu in Japanese, simply means ten. :lol:

Oh interesting, never knew that!  :)
Thanx for sharing!  :tup:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on January 30, 2012, 09:14:47 AM
 :lol:

I'm watching EP4... I've got a strong feeling that I may not have that savvy for The Mole :lol: Now I'm totally confused... :'(

P.S. Seems in this episode a lot of hints have been given. :tup:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 30, 2012, 01:08:01 PM
:lol:

I'm watching EP4... I've got a strong feeling that I may not have that savvy for The Mole :lol: Now I'm totally confused... :'(
Awww :(
Well if it helps any, plenty of people are confused at this point and I am one of them. Let's drown our sorrows..  :keeta:  :lol3:
Seriously, I tend to have somewhat of an idea usually around this time, but I can't make sense of who is what for quite a few of them at the moment .. :P
Just when I've decided someone is definitely off my suspect list they go and do something that makes me suspicious of them again..  :lol:
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P.S. Seems in this episode a lot of hints have been given. :tup:

Yes hopefully!..
Something about straws and grasping..  :lol:

Sofar I really like the series though and it seems to be getting better with each episode!  :)
By the way, the new destination will be:

 
Show content
Almería in Southern Spain.  :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on January 31, 2012, 02:40:51 AM
Just finished watching EP4. It made me think of Survivor. :lol3: But I must say this is almost my favorite show sofar. Hope the US picks up this show again someday.

In this episode another number was shown quickly. 2073. Does it have special meaning here? ??? And what do you think of the final votes?
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on January 31, 2012, 05:10:21 AM
Peach, don't read this before you've watched episode 4 plz, because this post is about the last challenge of epi 4.  ;)

Just finished watching EP4. It made me think of Survivor. :lol3: But I must say this is almost my favorite show sofar. Hope the US picks up this show again someday.
:lol: Yeah now that you mention it.. Only thank goodness not the kind of vote that involves cliquing and backstabbing.. well it does involve sabotage so, maybe backstabbing in another way..  :lol3:
I sincerly hope there will be a new US or UK version some day, I think the format has so much potential still after 12 years..  :)

Much better than yet another bake-off/best-chef/worst-bride or whatever kind of 'reality' show.  :lol:
(Just my two cents but I confess I basically only watch The Mole, Tar and an occasional epo of Master Chef UK. :P )
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In this episode another number was shown quickly. 2073. Does it have special meaning here? ??? And what do you think of the final votes?
Well the problem with numbers is that if you try, you can probably link them to anyone.  :lol:
I don't know, it could be that it does have a meaning but right now nothing much comes to mind. I know Liesbeth was born in 1973 so if you follow the -1 thing from epi one (3 hours --> 2 hours) this could be a hint maybe? It's very speculative though I'm very cautious wrt numbers.

In one series they let the number 13 come back in so many different ways - on trains, on signs (added to and subtracted from) - it all meant nothing.. In one series the number 28 was a clue and came back all the time too (eg in hotelroom 1144 (i.e. 28) etc - turned out this was a hint to the birthdate of the Mole, however at the time the series was still with regular people and we were not given that information..  :duno:

In other series numbers have also been good clues though so .. Let's just see if a pattern evolves somehow that we can work with.
Well spotted though!!  :tup:

One more thing. Tim has the sign 3-1=2. He's part of a trio consisting of two people. This could be a moleclue after all the Mole made the clock go back from 3 hours to 2 in the very first challenge at the plane wreck (i.w. 3-1=2).  ;)

As for the negotiations. The prisoners dilemma.. I love this challenge because it's such a mindf*** excuse the word..  :lol:

It's tough to say. My hunch is, the Mole will have been amongst the negotiatiors most likely. Obviously there can be a double-bluff thing but I think the Mole wants to be part of the action when potentially SO much money is lost.  ;)

Obviously the most likely culprits changing the green/ red scene were Liesbeth (changing her mind wrt unanimity) , Frits and Tim.
Basically all their actions can be interpreted as Mole-ish as well as from the perspective of a contestant imo.

Liesbeth:
Could have indeed suddenly realized they would be up the proverbial creek if they went for unanimity with the Mole sabotaging for sure.
On the other hand, she would have a key position after having persuaded Hadewych first (or was it Hadewych doing the persuading..??  ;) ) and then talking Frits out of it, making sure they'd have a green majority (at the highest price). She's the one planting the seed about the red-card, however it's likely one of the contestants would bring it up anyway.. (like Tim did with Anne-Marie, or Frits..)

Frits:
Could have been sincere in realizing they would lose all their money and tried persuading Tim to get the majority red which would be least damaging to the pot.
He could also have been lying (I somehow believe him though about voting red because he was so ademant about it.  :lol: )
he didn't tell Tim whom he thought would vote red (i.e. Liesbeth) which makes sense as a contestant since he suspects her and would not want Tim to be suspicious of her as well in case he isn't. As a Mole that would come in handy too though because whoever Tim suspects, the seed of doubt is planted...  :lol3:

Tim:
May have agreed to go along with Anne-Marie but she is clearly one of his suspects. Perhaps he was hesitant if she would really vote green and decide to vote green after all thinking Anne-Marie and Frits may vote red, hoping to save the pot..
Or he could be the Mole, changing his vote from red to green. It may lead to immediate suspicion by Frits though.

It seems the Mole would have a better position to be in the second rounds of negotiation because they would know what was decided before and how to influence that. However the Mole can be briefed on what to vote too.

The two ladies, Hadewych and Anne-Marie seem less suspicious because they wanted to vote green, but are they?
It's a little naive to think you can reach unanimity, even if it may seem a win-win on paper. So perhaps they were lulled into naivity because of this - at face value- no brainer.

However there is the matter of the duo's discussing it as well. There is no coincidence I think in the way it was set up. Frits doesn't trust Liesbeth (and vice versa to some degree), not sure about Liesbeth and Hadewych (? Not much information on who they suspect sofar).
Tim and Anne-Marie mistrust eachother. So there's a good chance Tim may not believe what Anne-Marie says she'll vote (or vice versa although Anne-Marie did what she said..).

We know Frits is one of the three Tim suspects so we don't know if he trusts him 100% either.

So basically any shot at unanimity, even for the red/ continue execution one would be next to impossible imo due to the discussions taking place consecutively and separately as well as all the suspicions and the Mole.

But probably even a majority for red/ execution (which was the lesser of all evils) would have been hard to get.
I wonder, even if the culprit seems to be most likely amongst the three red-votes turning into two, perhaps the green ladies had some role in this anyway due to mistrust en them being so ademant about voting green...

Their shock and surprise seemed pretty genuine, but well.. I've seen socalled genuine before.  :lol:
Some of them really can put on an act..

In short I think the Mole is most likely with the 5 negotiators (not 100% but most probably yes).
The rest is kind of up for interpretation due to the many factors at play. At first glance those three , Tim, Liesbeth and Frits seem to have the most suspicious and determining roles.. But this is after all the Mole, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Mole wasn't among those three either..  :lol3:

Hopefully episode 5 will bring a bit more clarity..  :lol:

How about you guys, what are your ideas and thoughts about it?  :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on January 31, 2012, 05:54:51 AM
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In short I think the Mole is most likely with the 5 negotiators (not 100% but most probably yes).
I agree with you. The voting challenge was a big move in the game. I can hardly imagine all 5 negotiators were purely contestants and the Mole was doing nothing at all.

Wrt my guess... Maybe I need to rewatch those episodes for many times to make my deduction reasonable. :lol: So far my hunch tells me William, Marit are not the Mole.

Hadewych: Possible but... She seems invisible in the game. :lol3:

Liesbeth: #1 suspect

Annie-Marie: #2 suspect

Tim: A contestant who's gonna make it to F4 at least. I like his gameplay. :)

Fritz: Don't think he is but someone on Facebook has reminded me of something. The program is called Who is the Mole? And Fritz was under the sign 'I AM'. Who is the mole? I am. :lol3:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 01, 2012, 03:23:06 AM
 :lol:  Yup.. Also I Am , sounds like I M (i.e. I Mole)..
Some claim this was a hint for Anne-Marie (AM) though since she was waiting there too.

Then again some say the 3-1=2 sign of Tim is a hint, as mentioned before.  :)

Ok well Peach catch up girl!   ;) Soon it's gonna be time for epi 5.  :hearts:

Looks like our beloved contestants are going to play Cowboys and Indians.   :wohoo:


Preview for episode 5:

http://www.youtube.com/v/AXIH-Q-YAx0


Promo for episode 5:

http://www.youtube.com/v/CgrJQQn8P3w
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 02, 2012, 01:28:15 AM
I think people in Survivorsucks Forum has mentioned some "musical" code as a hint in this season. What is that?
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 02, 2012, 03:33:43 AM
I think people in Survivorsucks Forum has mentioned some "musical" code as a hint in this season. What is that?
Erm, have they?
I must have missed that.   :-[

I don't have a clue what it means is there a theory or something? Sofar I haven't read anything about this on the Dutch forums at least.
Maybe they are supposing the code (4263) and other numbers stand for musical notes or something?

Honestly our hints are usually not that elaborate I'm afraid.
Though they did involve music in the past once, but that was series 4 so a long time ago, as far as I can remember out of the top of my head anyway.  :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 02, 2012, 06:52:25 AM
Maybe they are supposing the code (4263) and other numbers stand for musical notes or something?

Maybe. Actually the first time I saw 4263 I started to relate it to music. :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 02, 2012, 07:17:09 AM
Maybe they are supposing the code (4263) and other numbers stand for musical notes or something?

Maybe. Actually the first time I saw 4263 I started to relate it to music. :lol:

I think it's definitely an interesting thought though.  :tup:

Three days before last episode aired the Mole (well the Mole account more precisely  :lol: ) twittered this:

2821210014362222347123643583. Wie zien het goed? #widm

i.e.

2821210014362222347123643583. Who can/will see it correctly? #widm

The only challenge that was about seeing was the one where they went snorkling imo but I don't know what all these numbers are about wrt the challenge. Last year they put a Mole clue in the twitters though (I think every twitter started with a letter of the Mole's name - so for sure if they want to put in a hint, they'll use something different this time.  :) )

I didn't have a clue what those numbers meant but perhaps we can find out if they play a certain melody using the numbered musical notation? In that case I suppose the 8 should be 'do' again though? Or does anyone have any other ideas what this sequence may mean?

ETA with respect to '8': On the wikipedia page about Numbered musical notation, they also mention a socalled Time signature:

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The time signature is written as a fraction: 2/4, 3/4, 4/4, 6/8, etc. It is usually placed after the key signature. Change of time signature within the piece of music may be marked in-line or above the line of music. Some pieces that start with cadenza passages are not marked with time signatures until the end of that passage, even if the passage uses dotted barlines (in which case 4/4 time is usually implied).
Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbered_musical_notation)

ETA2:
I just read a comment on the main Mole forum about this (sorry hadn't seen that one before!)
Apparently these numbers were the number of suspicions all contestants that were left in the game had on the official site at the time of the twitter:

(http://i.imgur.com/H2VBM.jpg)

Still don't know if it means anything..  :duno:
Weird thing to tweet, because those numbers change so often?!
I get the feeling there's something about this (or it's just all mindgames..  :lol3:  pffff  :crazy:  :lol: )
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 02, 2012, 08:58:20 AM
Hey, look at Fritz's number. 2364. 4263. :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 02, 2012, 10:03:37 AM
Hey, look at Fritz's number. 2364. 4263. :lol:

  :o  :lol3:
That's odd indeed..

Keeping an extra eye on him tonight..  ;)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 02, 2012, 10:08:26 PM
A question: did it ever happen that contestants (not the Mole) lied to the viewers? I ask this because I don't see any reason for a contestant (except the Mole) to do so. If they might lie to the viewers, it'd turn to be difficult for me to deduce. :duno:

By far contestants' statements in their confessionals don't seem to be compatible.

Marit: She suspected Annie-Marie, and finally was on the edge of execution.
I'm confident she's not the Mole. Since the Mole knew in the end of this episode there'd be a move that could probably clear the pot, s/he didn't need to sabotage obviously (even effectively) in the bicycle challenge at all. Marit's sabotage might result from her fear. She was aware that most contestants had realized who the Mole could be and she didn't have as much information as other contestants had. She wanted to do so to draw other contestants' attention and muddle their minds. I guess she's gonna be executed in the following episode.

William: He (if he didn't change his mind) suspected Fritz, and was finally on the edge of execution.
I don't understand why he was so diffident. I think he might have changed his mind to focus on someone else. Maybe Marit? :lol:

Annie-Marie: She suspected Tim, and Liesbeth #2. She survived in the EP4 quiz.

Tim: "Everyone knows everything." Don't understand why he said so because it doesn't seem to be the fact we see. But doubtless he was on the right track. :tup:

ETA: I believe the Mole voted for red in the last challenge because this would have 2/3 chance to reduce the money in the pot (mostly green or all red) and 1/3 chance to do nothing at all (mostly red), if the producer didn't tell the Mole other four contestants' voting results. (I hope he didn't! If he did, it'd be unfair for honest contestants. :lol:)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 03, 2012, 04:31:51 AM
A question: did it ever happen that contestants (not the Mole) lied to the viewers? I ask this because I don't see any reason for a contestant (except the Mole) to do so. If they might lie to the viewers, it'd turn to be difficult for me to deduce. :duno:

By far contestants' statements in their confessionals don't seem to be compatible.
No I can't recall contestants lying in vidcams / to the audience.
The Mole does obviously.  :lol:

I do think what we see and especially hear can be 'distorted' because of creative cut/paste editting though.
So for instance, contestant A may have said something rather harmless in one episode, that then gets editted in such a way that makes contestant B look suspicious, or makes it look like A is suspicious of B.
I never really trust who the edit suggests the contestants suspect at the end, sometimes this is correct but oftentimes it's not or only in part so. e.g. Contestants sometimes tell afterwards they were onto the Mole sometimes several  episodes before editting made us believe so. That's just to keep suspicions on the other non-Mole players though, after all this is a show so I don't mind that so much.

So I would say, flat out lies: No not that I recall.
Creative editting: definitely.  ;)
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William: He (if he didn't change his mind) suspected Fritz, and was finally on the edge of execution.
I don't understand why he was so diffident. I think he might have changed his mind to focus on someone else. Maybe Marit? :lol:
Well one of the two scored lowest. It was never said they both did, not by Art. Anne-Marie concluded that but that wasn't mentioned.  :)
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Annie-Marie: She suspected Tim, and Liesbeth #2. She survived in the EP4 quiz.
The quiz is a funny thing. The contestant who got executed says they still think they were on the right track, the test was just very hard. (They do get progressively harder as the series continues we're often told, with fewer contestants left that makes sense. So lack of information could indeed be a dealbreaker at some point).
On the other hand we've had series where contestants weren't onto the Mole until the Finals so the 'bad' scores would be very relative.  :lol3:
Still it does seem like this is a very open group (well was anyway) ito sharing information so perhaps everyone was on more or less the right track from early on.. But as you say, there still are different suspects..  :duno:

I think episode 5 made things a bit clearer though.  ;)
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Tim: "Everyone knows everything." Don't understand why he said so because it doesn't seem to be the fact we see. But doubtless he was on the right track. :tup:
Yeah I never understood why he said that, that was epi 3 or so?? Pretty early in the game for him to be that confident but then again, we've seen people tunnelling often enough. Sometimes they are right and sometimes very wrong..  :lol:
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ETA: I believe the Mole voted for red in the last challenge because this would have 2/3 chance to reduce the money in the pot (mostly green or all red) and 1/3 chance to do nothing at all (mostly red), if the producer didn't tell the Mole other four contestants' voting results. (I hope he didn't! If he did, it'd be unfair for honest contestants. :lol:)

Good point, I was actually thinking this a few days ago too. Red makes more sense for the Mole to have voted for provided nobody told them what the others voted for. Not sure, sometimes the Mole is briefed sometimes not, and they don't always tell even if in some cases I suspect they had to have been briefed.
Either way fairness doesn't always come into it I'm afraid.. I still believe the socalled exemption for the Mole last season was rigged, even if they claim it all went fair and square.. Just too good an opportunity for them to let the Mole seem like ultra-contestant. But maybe that's just my suspicious mind..  :lol3:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 03, 2012, 05:46:36 AM
Great episode again yesterday imo.  :wohoo:

Ok I'm not unbiased.  :lol:
But lots of funny moments.  :tup:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Cocoa on February 05, 2012, 08:50:39 PM
I'm definitely watching this one! :hearts: I just discovered this thread, I am sooo behind. :lol: AMAZING!
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 06, 2012, 09:53:21 AM
It's great to have you here Cocoa!  :ghug:
I hope you'll enjoy the series, and please feel free to share your thoughts and suspicions with us!  :tup:
Ok, it's time for sunny sangria Spain and Cowboys & Indians... In other words, time for epi 5!!  :wohoo:


Enjoy!  :tup:


(With many thanks to some friends who helped out with the subs this episode.    :ghug: )

THE MOLE ICELAND & SPAIN- EPISODE 5

PART 1:

http://www.youtube.com/v/igWnvxxspjY


PART 2:

http://www.youtube.com/v/7_ZGPsd1v-c


PART 3:

http://www.youtube.com/v/2qfm52GUctM


PART 4:

http://www.youtube.com/v/8oFyorbz36k 


PART 5:

http://www.youtube.com/v/GQtRNh2Q4aA 

Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 06, 2012, 08:07:48 PM
Wow, this episode has five parts.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: georgiapeach on February 06, 2012, 08:32:14 PM
All caught up and ready for 5!! Yippee!!
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 06, 2012, 08:58:51 PM
One question: in EP5's sniper challenge, Frits said "...Pacifist, Chinese student on the bridge." Is it a slang phrase? What does that mean? ???
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: georgiapeach on February 07, 2012, 12:18:19 AM
Clues! from the Mole, ep 5, part 3, minute 1:00
 
 
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Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 07, 2012, 12:46:20 AM
Peach, it's ep5, not ep4. :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 07, 2012, 08:01:22 AM
One question: in EP5's sniper challenge, Frits said "...Pacifist, Chinese student on the bridge." Is it a slang phrase? What does that mean? ???

No not slang but I assume he's referring to the well known scene/incident of the Chinese student(?) protesting, standing in front of the tank.
(Tiananmen Square protests of 1989).

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Tank Man, or the Unknown Rebel, is the nickname of an anonymous man who stood in front of a column of Chinese Type 59 tanks the morning after the Chinese military forcibly removed protestors from in and around Beijing's Tiananmen Square on June 5, 1989. The man achieved widespread international recognition due to the videotape and photographs taken of the incident. Despite his anonymity, he is commonly (though not necessarily correctly) referred to in Chinese as Wang Weilin (王維林), as dubbed by a Sunday Express article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 07, 2012, 08:09:35 AM
Nice work Peaches.  :tup:

Not sure if there are clues in this tbh.
I guess you could read the name and then say the joker next to it saying 'The Mole' could be one, but it would be very inconsistent at very least because Marit has one next to her name as well and she definitely wasn't the Mole..  :lol:
(Too bad about her leaving though I liked her).

Unless it would be an elimination thing, i.e. everyone BUT the Mole had a joker saying 'The Mole' next to their name.
But then we'd have to scour the whole challenge I think. :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: georgiapeach on February 07, 2012, 08:31:02 AM
I was thinking it could make us look at who else was involved in that round.

I have some from ep4 as well, they are the underwater shots of the family photos, I guess we are meant to see who had the chance to skip one or whatever? There were two batches, rather a lot, I can do them if you have not seen them elsewhere.

Also..why are we seeing the cross motif so much? Anyone named Cross?? :lol: Like even this cap: Silver spoon?? cross again??



Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 07, 2012, 09:55:33 AM
I was thinking it could make us look at who else was involved in that round.

I have some from ep4 as well, they are the underwater shots of the family photos, I guess we are meant to see who had the chance to skip one or whatever? There were two batches, rather a lot, I can do them if you have not seen them elsewhere.
No I haven't seen those anywhere yet, I would be interested yes if you would be so kind?  :)
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Also..why are we seeing the cross motif so much? Anyone named Cross?? :lol: Like even this cap: Silver spoon?? cross again??

True that's been noted. The crosses are definitely a pattern. It's hard to tell though what is and isn't just for pretty pictures.
But supposing it might be something, there has been a theory about runes. It's not a very consistent theory though I think i.e. a bit too much 'wishful evidence'. Also the hints need to be clear and concise to be discussed briefly in the show.

It's been noted that Tim wrote his name with a + (+ instead of a T more like) on Liesbeth's birthday card, but that seems a bit weak to me. I mean if there's a hint it has to be a clear one, right?  :lol:

I wonder if there's something to that 'List' on that cross we saw earlier (I think it was ep 4?) Just not sure what, though several explanations have been offered as said before. I also found that 'Justice of the Peace' funny because they showed it so clearly.
I've been looking at some of the names. I found this for William: 'The name William has today been interpreted to mean protector of the kingdom or realm'

Not the same as Justice of the Peace but could be interpreted as a similar thing. As said, he plays Ramses Shaffy who had a very close relationship to Liesbeth List, which is a well known fact.

On the other hand I found this for Liesbeth:
`Consecrated to God`or 'Pledged to God'

So as a religious symbol that would fit well with that as well I guess (I just really hope it's not Liesbeth at this point tbh   :res:
Too obvious..  :duno: )
http://www.ourbabynamer.com/meaning-of-Liesbeth.html

Hadewych means `War, Strife` or "contending war". That doesn't make much sense wrt crosses I think unless it's about people being killed but that would be the most dubious and disturbing hint ever so I'm going to strike that one.  :lol:

Tim:
From the Greek name Τιμοθεος (Timotheos) meaning "honouring God"
http://www.behindthename.com/name/timothy

Frits:
Frederick is an English name of Germanic origin. The name is of the meaning peaceful ruler.

That's quite striking in fact wrt the sign about Peace.  :o
(But what mole earns €1500 single handedly after the pot has been emptied?  :lol3: )

Anne-Marie
The name means 'bitter grace' . Not sure what to make of that.  :lol:

So I guess Liesbeth and Tim make sense wrt the cross symbols.
Frits's name is quite striking wrt that sign appearing during his confessional.
Then again I think it's a stretch that the Mole would singlehandedly earn the pot €1500 like that.  :duno:


Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: ZouLy on February 07, 2012, 07:49:03 PM
just started to watch this... it's soo darn good!! I love it  :<3

keep subtitling my friend, heaps of thanks!  :hrt:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 07, 2012, 08:42:24 PM
One question: in EP5's sniper challenge, Frits said "...Pacifist, Chinese student on the bridge." Is it a slang phrase? What does that mean? ???
No not slang but I assume he's referring to the well known scene/incident of the Chinese student(?) protesting, standing in front of the tank.
(Tiananmen Square protests of 1989).

I guessed so... an incident that's proverbially known but never comes out in the textbooks :lol: But I think this incident happened just on Tiananmen Square, not something relative to a bridge. (Maybe he was referring to Jinshui Bridge on Tiananmen Square? It's a very small bridge, and nothing could happen there. I don't think any tank can go over that bridge in Wang Weilin's case.)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 08, 2012, 08:44:54 AM
Hi ZouLy!
I'm glad you're enjoying it, happy to have you here with us!  :)  :ghug:

I guessed so... an incident that's proverbially known but never comes out in the textbooks :lol: But I think this incident happened just on Tiananmen Square, not something relative to a bridge. (Maybe he was referring to Jinshui Bridge on Tiananmen Square? It's a very small bridge, and nothing could happen there. I don't think any tank can go over that bridge in Wang Weilin's case.)

No I think Frits was referring to her acting like that person, during their bridge challenge in episode 1.  ;)
(Sticking her hands in the air and claiming she hated guns and refusing to shoot).
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 08, 2012, 09:08:19 AM
I guessed so... an incident that's proverbially known but never comes out in the textbooks :lol: But I think this incident happened just on Tiananmen Square, not something relative to a bridge. (Maybe he was referring to Jinshui Bridge on Tiananmen Square? It's a very small bridge, and nothing could happen there. I don't think any tank can go over that bridge in Wang Weilin's case.)
No I think Frits was referring to her acting like that person, during their bridge challenge in episode 1.  ;)
(Sticking her hands in the air and claiming she hated guns and refusing to shoot).
I think you're right! :)

This episode seems to be trying to convince the viewers Frits is not the Mole. But I don't buy it. :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 09, 2012, 11:35:05 AM
According to the Mole twitter this afternoon, apparently we're in for a shock in episode 6.
I wonder what it could be??  :duno:

Here are the preview and promo for episode 6.   :)
Looks like they'll be aiming at a coveted exemption in a hay stack..  :lol:



Preview for Episode 6:

http://www.youtube.com/v/TRGbaXKYXLQ



Promo for Episode 6:

http://www.youtube.com/v/eLBn-KRUNZw
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 09, 2012, 10:52:17 PM
According to the Mole twitter this afternoon, apparently we're in for a shock in episode 6.
I wonder what it could be??  :duno:

Could it be a double-elimination?
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: ZouLy on February 10, 2012, 05:13:39 AM
I barely catch up till episode 4...

However, I really like to know the translation of some of the questions they took on the examination.... Topita, my frend, can you please help me? Thanks a bunch  :hrt:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 10, 2012, 06:23:17 AM
Damn, I shouldn't have browsed Dutch Wikipedia... I didn't know this show airs every Thursday. :groan: Now I know who were eliminated this week.

The result shocked me. I'm totally lost now. A big suspect in my eyes got eliminated.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 10, 2012, 10:21:26 AM
Damn, I shouldn't have browsed Dutch Wikipedia... I didn't know this show airs every Thursday. :groan: Now I know who were eliminated this week.

The result shocked me. I'm totally lost now. A big suspect in my eyes got eliminated.

Awww :(  :groan: I tried warning you about that, yes the show airs on Thursday, we need a few days for the subtitling.
I'm sorry it got spoilt, hope you will watch it anyway when the subtitles are done because it's a good episode
(even if it had a somewhat sad ending. :( )

Hopefully we can get them ready this weekend again.  :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 10, 2012, 11:13:42 AM
I barely catch up till episode 4...

However, I really like to know the translation of some of the questions they took on the examination.... Topita, my frend, can you please help me? Thanks a bunch  :hrt:

Sure.

I have to tell you that the mouseclick is editted in later on and there is little evidence the contestants really vote the way that those images suggest though, so be careful about the conclusions.  ;)
They are however occasionally used for clues to the Mole though, i.e. the Mole repeating the same word in their test confessional, or some people answering a certain pattern as a clue of who will be eliminated next (like last year).  :)

I think in this case the question Marit got on the room the Mole slept stands out most because it corresponded with the code that was used in the signal challenge.

Episode 1:


Question No.12: (Liesbeth answering)
Did the Mole find the exemptions during the first part of the glacier challenge?
1. Yes 2. No

Question No. 8. (Anne-Marie answering)
Was part of the Dakota (plane) visible on the Mole's picture?
1. Yes 2. No

Question No.1 (Maarten answering).
The Mole a ?
1. Man 2. Woman.

Question No. 13 (Marion answering).
Was the Mole given an exemption for episode 3?
1. Yes  2 No.


Episode 2:


Question No. 5 (William answering)
Did the Mole answer the questions about themselves correctly during the stairs challenge?
1. Yes  2 No.

Question No. 18 (Frits answering).
Was the Mole signing at the smoke signal challenge?
1. Yes  2. No

Question No. 11 (Liesbeth answering).
With how many (other) people did the Mole make a team in the jeep challenge?
1. One  2. Two  3 Three.

Question No. 6 (Marit answering).
In which room did the Mole sleep last night?
1. Six
2. Four
3. Three
4. Two

Question No. 14 (Maarten answering).
What was the license plate of the car in which the Mole was during the jeep challenge?
1. GZF 69
2. OK 829
3. The Mole wasn't in a car.

Question 20:
The Mole is
1 . man 2. woman


Episode 3:


Question No. 4 (Tim answering).
On which team was the Mole during the riverjet challenge?
1. The first boatteam
2. The second boat team.
3. The decoding team.

Question No. 15 (Hadewych answering).
During the city tour challenge, the Mole was in the group consisting of:
1. Two people
2. Six people.

Question No. 10 (Frits answering).
What did the Mole take during the joker challenge?
1. One joker.
2. Two jokers.
3. An envelope containing money.
4. An envelope containing money and info.

Question 1: (Liesbeth answering)
The Mole is a
1. Man
2. Woman.


Episode 4:


Question No. 5 (William answering).
Where was the Mole standing on the group picture of episode 3?
1. In the front row.
2. In the back row.

Question No. 10 (Tim answering).
Is the Mole a home owner?
1. Yes
2. No.

Question No. 13 (Hadewych answering).
On which position under water was the picture of the parent(s) of the Mole?
(No answers shown).

Question No. 7 (Liesbeth answering).
How many times was the Mole riding the tandem during the ammunition depot challenge?
1. Once
2. Twice
3. Three times.

Question No 3. (Frits answering).
Which tv quiz would the Mole have a shot at winning?
(No answers shown).

Question No. 2 (Marit answering).
Did the Mole still have a joker in their posession before the start of this test?
1. Yes
2. No


Episode 5:


Question No. 5 (William answering)
If the stewardess on the plane was turned with her back to the cockpit she saw the Mole
1. To the right of the isle.
2, To the left of the isle.

Question No. 11 (Anne-Marie answering)
What did the Mole get/take during the Western challenge?
1.  One joker.
2. Two jokers.
3. Money.
4. Nothing.

Question No 12. (Tim answering).
Did the Mole get a second chance (second duel) during the Western challenge?
1. Yes
2. No
3. No the Mole was 'intrepid'.

Question No. 7 (Hadewych answering).
Does the Mole have multiple Mole diaries?
1. Yes
2. No

Question No. 18 ( Liesbeth answering).
Did the Mole's team find a question for the test during the Castle challenge?
1. Yes
2. No
3. No, the Mole had a sharp eyesight.











Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Squall16 on February 11, 2012, 09:03:16 PM
Okay I could be thinking about this too much but the sequence 4236 is on my brain

Ep 1
4th person shown eliminated (Marion)

Ep 2
4th person shown eliminated (Dio)

Ep 3
4th person shown eliminated (Swimmer guy Maarten van ....)

Ep 4
6th person shown would have been Marit or William  - no one eliminated

Ep 5
2nd person shown eliminated (Marit)

ETA: also Elisabeth and Frits have been consistently been in spots 2 or 3 or 4 but safe....
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 12, 2012, 05:33:15 PM
Interesting point Squall!  :tup:
Welcome, good to see you thinking along with us!  :)

Time for Episode 6 of the Mole in Spain!  :wohoo:

The contestants are on the Mole's turf and there are lots of shady and fishy things happening.. :sab   ;)


Enjoy!  :tup:


(With many thanks to some friends who helped out with the subs this episode.    :ghug: )

THE MOLE ICELAND & SPAIN - EPISODE 6

PART 1:

http://www.youtube.com/v/B1q5gPQVSQk


PART 2:

http://www.youtube.com/v/zVxpeIhwXGg


PART 3:

http://www.youtube.com/v/jeZxf-dcDpw


PART 4:

http://www.youtube.com/v/Sk-dy_DQGU0 


PS: SuperTux, who's your (new) suspect?  :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: ZouLy on February 13, 2012, 02:46:57 AM
He was right about the Treasurer Curse... oh my gosh...   :o


Somehow when I watch this show, my mind ever spot somekind of "Saw the movie" kind of procedure... challenges in the most-isolated area with all those cool stuff, and later on at the end of the show, they will reveal who set-up the game...  :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 13, 2012, 04:18:45 AM
Want to share a theory.  :)
Obviously there are loads of them about usually inspired by a lot of tunnel vision.  :lol3:

This one I thought might be interesting though, wanted to run it past you.
Part of it was thought of by others but the link I thought of myself. :P

This is a theory why there might be a hint that Tim's the Mole.
It's about the Monica da Silva trio, consisting in fact of two people instead of three. This may have been used as a Mole clue.

In episode 1, we have a rather elaborate and dramatic beginning where the Mole (according to the footage/ suggestion) takes off 1 hour of the total time of the challenge for the contestants to make it to the wreck of the plane.
Now even with 3 hours they may not have succeeded anyway frankly.  :lol3:

It's clear several contestants commented on not feeling like 3 hours really past. The idea was the Mole sabotaged this obviously but it could well be disguised as a hint too imo.

In episode 2, (waterfall / stair challenge) Tim gets a question in the waterfall/ staircase challenge about him performing with 2 people in this trio.

In episode 4 (bunker challenge), again there's a sign with 3-1=2, belonging to Tim.

In episode 6 (Fish challenge), first they had to take away (i.e. minus!) 3 beams, and after that 2  (3-1=2).

Personally I think I feel there's something off with the citytour/ tower challenge.
It doesn't make sense to me that this was all about 6 people having some kind of tour and then just reversed psychology.

So what if this was part of the hint?? The Mole twittered in the beginning of the series that this would be a 'mathemathical' series (substractions and numbers are maths, right?  ;) )

On that tower Marit and Maarten had to find several numbers and were also given some according to them.

The numbers that stuck out most imo were twice a six (six busses and six people of the orchestra = 2x6 = 12, the 12th Mole, a hint??)

Then look at the paper they got:
(http://i.imgur.com/L6Jv9.jpg)

3.....2....

Again 3-1=2... In episode 3!!

So what if '4263' refers to the '3-1=2' hint?? (i.e. this reference appearing in those episodes?)
(4263 is a logical sequence with 214263, and one of the episodes was called 'reverse'. i.e. 21=12??).

Also Tim made a joke about Liesbeth turning 26 instead of 38 (i.e. 12 years younger).  :)


What do you guys think about this idea?
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: ZouLy on February 13, 2012, 05:08:46 AM
and why is he so agreed with Frits during the voting to throw the Red Card?

He refused Frits' offer to take the joker as well?

He trade diary with Liesbeth in the bus in no worry, and somehow I heard Liesbeth said, there's not much I can see during the 10 seconds, but I saw somewhere he wrote I'm the Mole?

What about the number of exemptions in the first episode, there were 3 of them!! And why would he decide to take the second one and gave Frits the first one? Is this 3-2 = 1..??

The number of exemption at the fifth episode is 1, another substraction with first episode, 3-1 = 2..??

But here's another interesting one,
why does Liesbeth was placed far away from the rest of the group? She even found a dinosaur skeleton? Walking around the beach, maybe wasting time? in purpose? i dunno, haha :D
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 13, 2012, 08:52:30 AM
PS: SuperTux, who's your (new) suspect?  :)
Tim #1, Liesbeth #2, others are contestants. 80% possibility for Tim as the Mole.

Question: The host never lies, right? At the beginning of EP6 Art said Liesbeth and Hadewych were on the wrong track. It seemed to indicate they were not the Mole?

P.S. I've never guessed anything right. Hope this time I make it right. :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 13, 2012, 10:19:02 AM
PS: SuperTux, who's your (new) suspect?  :)
Tim #1, Liesbeth #2, others are contestants. 80% possibility for Tim as the Mole.

Question: The host never lies, right? At the beginning of EP6 Art said Liesbeth and Hadewych were on the wrong track. It seemed to indicate they were not the Mole?

Lie, no. But I think he can embellish a little for dramatic effect.
Not sure - I don't think we should read clues into this because the Mole has a persona and sometimes that persona has to show emotion to be credible. I'm not sure to which degree Art is carrying this over. If he says things like that about everyone but the Mole that would be suspicious as well. So I think he just keeps up the story in keeping with the events.
I wouldn't put too much stock in that sort of thing tbh, though this is the first time Art hosts the show so I don't really know.  :)
Quote
P.S. I've never guessed anything right. Hope this time I make it right. :lol:

Well Tim is my lead suspect for the moment as well.
I've been right and wrong so who knows.  :lol3:
In a way I'm hoping I'll be proven wrong, and there's some subtle sabotage going on.
But at the moment, everything seems to fit best with him so I guess I'll stick for now (until he leaves  :groan: :lol3: )
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Squall16 on February 13, 2012, 01:18:01 PM
I think Hadewych knows who the mole is. She was super shocked when marit left and thus she knew that it wasn't Anne-Marie. Plus, she was super relieved that she didn't go, possibly went in a tunnel vision during the exam. Another suspicious act by Tim is that he was trying to tell everyone that Marit told people different answers so who knows who she went for in the exam. I think Hadewych knew and with her new 'partnerships' she has found out who is the mole. I think she will win, I hope she will win!!
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Squall16 on February 13, 2012, 01:23:18 PM
Just watch Hadewych's reaction in the last video from 4:30 - 4:40, I'm pretty sure she has a pretty good intuition on who it is.

I on the other hand, don't know at all hahahahhaha
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Squall16 on February 13, 2012, 01:24:12 PM
Okay I could be thinking about this too much but the sequence 4236 is on my brain

Ep 1
4th person shown eliminated (Marion)

Ep 2
4th person shown eliminated (Dio)

Ep 3
4th person shown eliminated (Swimmer guy Maarten van ....)

Ep 4
6th person shown would have been Marit or William  - no one eliminated

Ep 5
2nd person shown eliminated (Marit)

Ep 6
6th person eliminated (Fritz)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 14, 2012, 06:42:26 PM
Yep you're right that seems to correspond nicely to the code, but not quite sure what that means or to whom it would link as a Mole clue?  :)

Wanted to share another theory with you.
It's been a while since there's been a clue in the group photos - but they do use them for Mole clues on occasion.
Someone on one of the Mole forums has come up with a theory that there may be this time. Just wanted to share.  ;)

If you look at the group photos Tim is always in the middle.
In fact the only photo he's not in the middle of the group is in ep 4's photo, when the title of the episode was: 'Someone else' - i.e. someone else was standing there instead of him?

Also one of the titles of the episodes was 'Van achter naar voren', which in Dutch means 'Reversed' or 'Backwards' but can also be used literally. In that case it means 'From back to front'. This is the case in all the group photo's, because he exchanges being in the background and being in the front:


Episode 1:

(http://i.imgur.com/YOAIW.jpg)


Episode 2:

(http://i.imgur.com/EmW19.jpg)


Episode 3:

(http://i.imgur.com/INbYk.jpg)


Episode 4:

(http://i.imgur.com/8K7qT.jpg)


Episode 5:

(http://i.imgur.com/POX0y.jpg)

Episode 6:

(http://i.imgur.com/ZjOl6.jpg)

In Dutch there's an expression 'In ons midden' which means 'amongst us'. Literally it means in our middle, amidst us.
So you could say, the Mole is amidst us. :)

Of course now we'll have to see if this pattern continues in episode 7, if he's still around that is.  :lol3:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 14, 2012, 08:11:28 PM
Did the standing theory work for former seasons? ???
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 14, 2012, 09:10:37 PM
Did the standing theory work for former seasons? ???

They never repeat a clue so I can't really answer that.

I can tell you they have put in hints such as:
1. The Mole had a different pose than the contestants each time.
2. The Mole was hinting at them being the Mole in sign language (during the whole season, one letter per episode).
3. The Mole was snapping their fingers because they mentioned that in a confessional.

etc.

So I can't say anything about the 'validity' - it's a theory.  :)
Oh and by the way, in case I didn't make it clear, this wasn't my theory. :)
It was offered by someone on the Mole forums, but I thought it was interesting enough to share.

Unfortunately I haven't seen many good theories for other contestants.

For the record:

1. Clues about Hadewych have been predominantly about the bow-ties she wears in her hair as far as I can tell, but nobody has come up with anything worth mentioning imo.  :duno:

2. Clues about Liesbeth have mainly been about the palindrome sort, obviously (reversed and such).
i.e. her surname 'Staats' being a palindrome, this returning on the signs in epi 4/ bunker challenge. A single shot of a 'spoon' which in Dutch is 'lepel' (i.e. a palindrome) but according to some also resembles the sign for 'female' (as in female mole).  Then a lot of calculations with 4263, making it into a palindrome with numbers but I really can't tell the logic behind it tbh, it seems more or less random to me?  :duno:
There is one that states 4x2x6x3 = 144 being her birthday but then three internet sources claim different birthdays?  :duno:
Also well it seems a bit farfetched to me but who knows.  ;)
Then again perhaps I am biased because I would very much dislike Liesbeth to be the mole.. any of the other 4 I would prefer to her.  :lol:
Nonetheless I think I looked at what was said more or less objectively and if something had come up that I felt was worth mentioning I would have mentioned it honestly.  :)

3. Anne-Marie clues :
I Am on the signs in the bunker challenge.
The A and J are 'lit up' in the names of Iceland (IJsland) and Spain (Spanje).
AJ was seen lit up on a boat before the execution in episode 4.

4. William clues:
I Am.
The fish in episode 6, as this is his astrological sign.
AJ (same as mentioned with Anne-Marie), as in Spaaij, his last name (Spanje- IJsland = other way around (Spain first and Iceland later = Spa(a)ij).)
Spaaij being pronounced as 'spy' i.e. double agent/mole. He mentioned 'autitioning' for a Dutch James Bond in episode 6.

I honestly believe most of them are too farfetched to be a clue, but who knows.
Any clue should be pretty straightforward and simple I think, something the viewers could pick up on or at least should have the feeling they could have picked up on.

Obviously there are 1 or 2 clues for the people sifting through all episodes and looking for clues. But I think as a rule of thumb they should be straightforward and easy to explain, without all kinds of hoopla. :)

I think the two I have offered here before meet that criterium (whether they turn out to be true or not I can't share everything that is written on those forums, I simply don't have the time and I doubt it would be helpful in some cases, tbh.  ;) )

I just thought these two seemed to correspond with what can actually be seen and verified in the series most (as a pattern and not a single occurence that is) without it being just interpretation, or even wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: ZouLy on February 15, 2012, 05:39:37 AM
I was watching S11, just to fill up my day while waiting for episode 7..

The photogroup theory thing, I guess remain proven, since the Mole at S11 standing in the middle too,

at episode 6, fish challenge, the Mole might predict, eventhough it can be fail too sometimes, that the other players might not succesfully turn the fish to face the ocean, therefore he immidiately sabotage the challenge with touching the wood first? And who is that? 3-2...
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: ZouLy on February 15, 2012, 05:50:45 AM
another easy beginner specs,

at the very first episode,
Tim was not holding the envelope, and he seems like know where to go... Not until he met Marit, and Marit asked for his picture, FIRST, he wasn't gonna show it, and he confessed like, 'I don't even open the envelope bla..bla..', but then Marit asked for the second time to show his picture, and Tim's picture is different with others, I only saw the creek at a glance, he might have been given two pictures, if he is the mole...

At episode 2, he like dio to be in the game and stay a bit longer, he's trying his best to convince dio don't vote for this, vote for that, and so on... Did we see any suspicious act?
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: ZouLy on February 15, 2012, 05:56:11 AM
owh..and one more thing, did anyone realize the number of goat and cows in the flight to spain question? That was question for Tim, and he was the first person to get the envelope,
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 15, 2012, 09:25:23 AM
I was watching S11, just to fill up my day while waiting for episode 7..

The photogroup theory thing, I guess remain proven, since the Mole at S11 standing in the middle too,


Oh right I forgot.  :groan:
There was a clue in it last year too.
The radiohints pointed to the Mole not being the one in the front in the end (i.e. in the 'end' photo).

But the radio clues made so little sense (they were very different than usual last year) that nobody got that one.  :lol3:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 15, 2012, 09:36:44 AM
owh..and one more thing, did anyone realize the number of goat and cows in the flight to spain question? That was question for Tim, and he was the first person to get the envelope,

Yes that number was 41.
Not sure what that means though.

The only thing I can think of right now (but that's starting to sound like tunnel vision to me tbh  :-[ ), was the fact that he was asked his shoe size in episode 2 on the stairs challenge. This was 42.

He then gets an envelope with the sheep question to which the answer is 41. If we continue the '-1' theme, it would be 40 next, and 40 is what get if you add the numbers to the letters of MOL in Dutch (supposing a=1 etc. so M=13, O=15 and L=12, i.e. 40).

But again that is very speculative and I'm not sure if that is what it means or whether it even means anything tbh.
I agree with you that the number seems a little random though.  :duno:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 15, 2012, 08:24:16 PM
Time for the new preview and promo for episode 7!!   :hearts:
Looks like the contestants will be 'bullied' and facing their fear of hights..  ;)

Also an epilogue to episode 6 this time, with reactions to Frits being executed and extra footage on how the contestants thought and felt about the potential sabotages going on in the generator - lighttower challenge.  ;)

Enjoy!


Epilogue for Episode 6:

http://www.youtube.com/v/Q81MxyxIbl0


Preview for Episode 7:

http://www.youtube.com/v/IhySkfvRxOU



Promo for Episode 7:

http://www.youtube.com/v/RAQY_Ipr0qo

Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: georgiapeach on February 16, 2012, 11:42:27 AM
Didn't the host/last years winner stay mostly front and center last year in the group shots? Where Tim is this time??
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 16, 2012, 06:34:08 PM
Didn't the host/last years winner stay mostly front and center last year in the group shots? Where Tim is this time??
The Mole and Winner were both in the middle, Art was in front,
Show content
Patrick
was in the back.

The clue was something like: I'm not the one in the front (or something like that but it was way too difficult to find  :lol: )

By the way from the looks of it, the middle-thing was no longer continued in episode 7, though.  :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 20, 2012, 12:24:59 AM
Hi guys!!  :)
I know TAR20 has just started but still..
I'm sure you can make time for another exciting episode of the Mole, right??  :lol:  :wohoo:

Time for Episode 7..
Lots of horsing around with a bull.. and a Mole..??
Psychological games, tactics and facing of fears for quite a few (Doesn't the Mole prefer the warm solid ground..? :P )
And aspiring artist making a real live version of famous masterpieces by Spanish maestro's ..  ;)

Enjoy!  :tup:


(With many thanks to some friends who helped out with the subs this episode.    :ghug: )

THE MOLE ICELAND & SPAIN - EPISODE 7

PART 1:

http://www.youtube.com/v/j8skMU8aBfk


PART 2:

http://www.youtube.com/v/006pzgWjm2M


PART 3:

http://www.youtube.com/v/3C204wHTy_g


PART 4:

http://www.youtube.com/v/DQiPkc75qfY 



Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Squall16 on February 20, 2012, 02:10:45 PM
Okay I could be thinking about this too much but the sequence 4236 is on my brain

Ep 1
4th person shown eliminated (Marion)

Ep 2
4th person shown eliminated (Dio)

Ep 3
4th person shown eliminated (Maarten van ....)

Ep 4
6th person shown would have been Marit or William  - no one eliminated

Ep 5
2nd person shown eliminated (Marit)

Ep 6
6th person eliminated (Fritz)

Ep 7
4th person eliminated (William)

WHY?! What does it mean!?
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Squall16 on February 20, 2012, 02:13:24 PM
Also again with

3 bridges
2 ropes
1 challenge.

Could be Tim? Could be Leisbeth?

Hadewych is my favorite, and she's always animated, so either she is a SUPER GOOD actress (and the mole) or she is a contestant.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 21, 2012, 04:13:30 AM
Haven't watched EP7 because Freegate proxy software doesn't work in my twenty now... Facebook, Youtube, twitter and so on have become inaccessible to me. I'll probably miss the following episodes. :'(

The eliminee was not a shock to me. I guess Hadewych is going to win...? :lol:

ETA: Thanks to another Mole fan in China. He downloaded EP7 from Youtube and sent those clips to me. :<3 Enjoyed this episode!
Looking forward to the next one! :keeta:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 22, 2012, 03:04:17 PM
Someone came up with a hint on the Moleforum today that I think sounds very plausible (i.e. easily and undubitably linked to one person plus it makes sense with the pattern we see in the series).

It turns out the Icelandic word for Time is 'tími'(pronounced as 'Tim' in fact).

When you consider all the references that have been made to time this series, I think that would make a good & plausible hint. :) a.o.:

1. Many references to time (today, tomorrow, yesterday, now, in one hour etc) in the Mole tweets.
2. An extra 10 minutes in episode 1 (for the first time ever) where the clock was turned back from 3 to 2 hours.
3. Episode 2 being online one day earlier than it was aired (except for the execution -  a one off according to the Avro network).
4. The 'Persistence of Memory' painting by Dali where time/clocks are very prominent.

Personally I think this could well be 'the' hint we have been looking for, i.e. the one that is very easy and simple yet elegant to link to the Mole.
It would make the 3-1=2 link stronger as well I think. :)

- For Anne-Marie, some people claim the fact that Art says 'jongens' (guys) a lot, which sounds like 'Jung is' (as in I Am (sign), Anne-Marie, I am the Mole).
- For Hadewych I think someone mentioned she wore music-related earrings (not really sure why though??)
Mol also means '(B)flat' or 'Bemolle' in music in Dutch.
- Don't think I've seen any theories about hints relating to Liesbeth at least none that I recall. 

New epi tomorrow!!!  :wohoo: :beer2:  :hearts:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Squall16 on February 24, 2012, 02:14:02 PM
Can't wait!!
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 27, 2012, 05:06:17 AM
Time for Episode 8..

I guess dressing up isn't everyone's special talent..  :lol3:
Amazing mazes aren't either (unless you're the Mole  :lol:) and well I guess playing your cards right really IS crucial after all..  :hoot:

Enjoy!  :tup:


(With many thanks to some friends who helped out with the subs this episode.    :ghug: )

THE MOLE ICELAND & SPAIN - EPISODE 8

PART 1:

http://www.youtube.com/v/yKe5PrEGPuw


PART 2:

http://www.youtube.com/v/bdrsaLefG9g


PART 3:

http://www.youtube.com/v/Im6BWz1bDE0


PART 4:

http://www.youtube.com/v/I9r1wZxG_eg 

Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 27, 2012, 05:23:29 AM
Recently I found a software (unstable though) that can help me browse foreign sites quickly without using the flow. :yess:

Watched this episode from my friend. By far this season is epic! :tup: My favorite TV series.

Now I'm really reconsidering the guess I made before the show aired. Will we see another Kathryn Price in this season? :lol: I guess the title of this episode refers to the real contestants in the game.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: ZouLy on February 27, 2012, 06:07:19 AM
Tim.... :(   :torche


Now it's down to Liesbeth and Anne-Marie....
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 27, 2012, 07:48:07 AM
Recently I found a software (unstable though) that can help me browse foreign sites quickly without using the flow. :yess:

Watched this episode from my friend. By far this season is epic! :tup: My favorite TV series.
Glad to hear it SuperTux (on both things)  :tup:
I'm really enjoying this season too but it definitely confuses me more than S11 or several previous series.  :lol:
My Mole 'gut' feeling kept telling me Tim was too clear, they even threw in a challenge that would remind us all of a previous Mole sabotage - I would have really loved to see the footage of that.  :lol:
Sometimes 'gut' feeling is better than trying to use logic on the Mole I think but that varies per season and the kind of strategy they choose.  :)

Quote
Now I'm really reconsidering the guess I made before the show aired. Will we see another Kathryn Price in this season? :lol: I guess the title of this episode refers to the real contestants in the game.

At the moment I think it could be any of the three remaining contestants, really.  :duno:

Anne-Marie:
- Has done plenty wrong (even though I can't explain why she would have torched that hay bale for €2500,- tbh, that would have been an accident? Or her claiming it when she didn't do it? Or to throw off suspicion??)
Also, well it would be quite strange in a way that so many contestants suspected her, but well. We've had seasons where 3 people were onto the right mole at some stage so it wouldn't be earth shattering either :P
I actually don't really understand why so many contestants seem to suspect her from early on, apparently because her slight stand offishness??

Hadewych: (aka the 'wildcard'  :lol: )
- She hasn't done anything to make her a 100% contestant in my opinion (as in not earned heaps of money but really who in this series has except for the long gone Frits? :(
- She did do 'unnecessary' things I think that I can't really explain.
e.g.
- Why actively stop Tim and William from entering the tower in Reykjavik? (Though this to a lesser extent is true of Anne-Marie too and Liesbeth apparently says they shouldn't go in the background too ??)
- Why make a false prediction about yourself on the bridge?
She was clearly scared, she was pregnant too so I don't think anyone would have blamed her for not going.  :duno:
It couldn't really be to throw off suspicions I think because she has had none that we know if (or next to none anyway).
Maybe there was another reason for it that we don't know but it seems strange to not use a perfect opportunity to sabotage like that?
- In episode 8 she may have sabotaged the costumes/photograph challenge, but then why win €500,- right away too? I mean it would have been easy to just guess the number of bridges wrong, and she hardly has anyone being suspicious of her anyway??
- ETA:
Another thing I don't quite understand is why they kept her so invisible the first 4 episodes basically.
Sure you don't want people to be onto your Mole too soon, but the viewers must also have the feeling they could have found the Mole too if they paid attention. Why make her so invisible? (Well that of course could be the reason it's just odd I think  :lol: )

Liesbeth:
- She's definitely done plenty to be the Mole.. During the whole series basically.
Thing is though she gets such an obvious edit and the whole country thinks it's her from day one.
That's usually a sign this person isn't the Mole.  :lol:

Also I can't really explain why she did certain things if she had knowledge prior to the challenges (as the Mole would).
eg In episode 3, she gets to make the decision about who is in which group in the city tour challenge.
She chooses the two most trusted people in the group (Maarten and Marit) to go on top of the tower.
That made the chance of that challenge succeeding much bigger. Anyone can say she would know they would probably lose money in the Hofdi House later but personally I think that's not a valid argument. The Mole is there to sabotage from beginning to end. So her choice seems strange in that case.

There have been a few minor moments like this, and apart from that Frits (and I think William too in fact, though that is a guess based on his behavior really) voted for Liesbeth and went out, it seems.

It has to be one of these three scenario's I'm just not sure which.  :lol:
I guess Hadewych would make a fun Mole, and maybe she did things we all didn't notice because we were too busy seeing her as a spontaneous ditzy-like girly girl in the group. I do think her emotions are real though, for the most part.
Somehow I can't really see it with her, but the fact is she's still there, when people thought she would be long gone indeed.
So who knows, it's really hard this year, because of the different things that seem counter-intuitive for the Mole.  :duno:

Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Squall16 on February 27, 2012, 11:18:54 AM
This final is definitely going to be exciting!!

I hope Hadewych wins!!

I think Leisbeth is the mole but I'm not 100% certain. I def will be surprised if Hadewych is, but the other two I can see.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Squall16 on February 27, 2012, 01:34:55 PM
Okay I could be thinking about this too much but the sequence 4236 is on my brain

Ep 1
4th person shown eliminated (Marion)

Ep 2
4th person shown eliminated (Dio)

Ep 3
4th person shown eliminated (Maarten van ....)

Ep 4
6th person shown would have been Marit or William  - no one eliminated

Ep 5
2nd person shown eliminated (Marit)

Ep 6
6th person eliminated (Fritz)

Ep 7
4th person eliminated (William)

Ep 8
2nd person eliminated (Tim)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 28, 2012, 03:37:33 AM
@Squall:
I agree those numbers definitely look fishy ito that code. :sab:
Just not sure which conclusion they may lead to? \
The '3' seems to be remarkably absent sofar but sofar I haven't found a link to that specifically eg in the leader (sequence) or photo's on the official forum?
Do you have any ideas about it?  :)

Just one challenge in next episode it seems apart from all of the build-up to the finale. :(
Kind of a shame, would have rather had 2 challenges instead, but oh well.

According to the radio-hints the radioclue points to the last person to be executed, i.e. the loser this year again. So we'll have the final reveal between the winner and the Mole in episode 12, presumably with a similar go-back-in-time twist revealing the who changed the clock from 3 to 2 hours on the dakota-twist? :shrug Would make for a cool revelation. :p

As far as we can tell the location of the final challenge where
Show content
Liesbeth
is being held captive is in a place called Ronda.

Apparently this room was used as a prison, in which dissidents during the Spanish civil war were held captive or even thrown off to their death.  :faint:

(http://i.imgur.com/aEEH8.png)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 28, 2012, 03:56:38 AM
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As far as we can tell the location of the final challenge where
Show content
Liesbeth
is being held captive is in a place called Ronda.
Apparently this room was used as a prison, in which dissidents during the Spanish civil war were held captive or even thrown off to their death.  :faint:

I remember in the first US season there was a similar challenge, where
Show content
Steven
was captured and other contestants had to find him in 2 hours.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: ZouLy on February 28, 2012, 04:01:10 PM
that place looks majestic...  :colors :colors :colors
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 29, 2012, 01:18:17 AM
that place looks majestic...  :colors :colors :colors

Yeah looks awesome doesn't it??  :hearts:
I really really love the locations they chose especially near Seville. It all looks so pretty, colorful and bright, and the place has such a rich history with the influence of the Mores/ Arabic influences clearly visible, I think it's stunning.  :tup:

Meanwhile I thought it might be nice to share some speculations on the Mole fora about hints leading to the remaining 3 finalists, i.t.o. them being the Mole.  :) :sab


I still haven't read any strong hints about Liesbeth. I confess I haven't been watching the stuff about her as much but I kept an eye out and all I have heard sofar is:

Hints for Liesbeth:

1. She crosses her legs at every execution. Many crosses featured in the series. One of them had the name 'List' on it and Liesbeth List is an (unrelated but well known) person here in the Netherlands.

2. The 4263 could be a hint to her birthday, i.e. her birthday multiplied apparently? 4263 --> 4 x 2 x 6 x 3 = 144.
The 144th dag in 2012, but this would be the 23rd of May and in the series it says May 25th on her birthday card so I think the internet info about this is probably wrong..?

3. Some say the bull references would be about her being a taurus, but as far as I can see she's twins (25th of May) so I don't think that would be a hint imo.

4. Her sign in episode 4 says Palindrome, her name obviously is a palindrome. You could reason 4263 is the logical sequence to 214263, and 21 turned around would be 12 i.e. Mole 12.


Hints for Hadewych:

1. Episode 2 was called 'In de Min' (i.e. Minus). Her name is Hadewych Minis,
Minis in Dutch can also stand for Min Is (i.e. minus is , - = ). She was standing the one under the sign saying 3-1=2 in episode 4 (which was coupled with Tim).
This might still be a link to the clock going back from 3 -> 2 hours and the other references Art has made I mentioned earlier.
Also William's sign says: Look Up, which is where Hadewych's sign is hanging ('Gulpje' a former role).

2. The last episode is called 'Tim, Liesbeth and Anne-Marie'.
This could refer to the remaining contestants or even order of execution, in which case Anne-Marie would be the winner.

3. Some people claim there's some theme about her earrings.
Could be a hint we've had necklaces as hints before but then it was tied to something stronger imo, i.e. the Japanese sign for 10 since that was Mole 10, also there were a lot of references to crosses in the Mole tweets and such.
So in this instance I would say it would be less likely but who knows. ;)
The idea is that she has a musical background and performs as a singer too.
In Dutch 'Mol' is also used for the musical sign for flat/ Bemolle. So that could be a hint.
In episode 9's preview she's wearing rather large guitar earrings.

(http://i.imgur.com/stuPd.jpg)

Then there's people saying she makes the same ok sign as Art does several times (to indicate zero euro's). This is true, but not sure what it means, except that it might be a 6. Some people say stuff about it being a 'devil's sign' or something of the sort. Honestly I think that's just tunnel vision and they wouldn't make a hint like that I don't think so anyway, this is after all a public network and a show for all ages, plus it would be offensive to many deeply religious people in this country imo. So I don't put much stock in that though a potential '6' might mean something even if I am not sure what.  :duno:

(http://i.imgur.com/O8kl9.jpg)

4. In the casino we see a shot with her face and the transparent 'De Mol' disk for the exemption.

(http://i.imgur.com/o46WY.jpg)

Hints for Anne-Marie: (i.e. my lead suspect at the moment :P )

1. The 3-1=2 thing could also be applied to Anne-Marie.
She was after all at the I AM sign, in episode 4. Her initials are AM (Anne-Marie Jung) So AM could be a reference to time (as in AM/ PM), and it could simply be, as offered by many, I AM the Mole. (Sounds simple enough to be one of the actual clues tbh. :P )

2. I've never put much stock in this one before tbh but now in combination with the last episode I think perhaps it might be a hint.
Art says 'Jongens' all the time in the series, i.e. guys. Basically I always thought this could just be the way he addressed the contestants and in fact it still could be. :P It does sound a lot like 'Jung is' though.
In the last episode Art says 'Jongens, welkom in Casino del Topo' , i.e. Guys welcome to the Casino of the Mole. Basically he could be coupling Jung with Topo/ Mole.

http://www.youtube.com/v/qPh8mZYXmVM


3. The title of the last episode ('Tim, Anne-Marie, Liesbeth') could also refer to the sets of four of a kind Anne-Marie gathered in the end winning her exemption.

4. This one I personally really like but not sure if it might not be too complicated. :biggrin

Episode 7 is called 'Self-knowledge'.
In the episode obviously the Mole had to know themselves, predicting themselves correctly to sabotage the bridge- challenge.
However in one shot Anne-Marie is clearly reading a Psychology magazine
(It even says: How sinful are you? on the cover :giggle ).
This could be a reference to the other famous Jung, Karl Jung, the famous pupil of Freud.
(tbh I think they won't make such an elaborate hint but the 'psychology' link with self-knowledge could be interesting I think. :p )

(http://i.imgur.com/iacHd.jpg)

5. Episode 4 was titled 'Someone else'.
Anne-Marie was the only one who had a sign that referred to someone other than herself (i.e. it was a quote by her co-comedian André van Duin).
All the others referred to roles they themselves played or their own jobs:
1. William: look up, Ramses his role in the musical.
2. Hadewych: Gulpje, a role she played.
3. Tim: 3-1=2 , reference to his comic duo.
4. Frits: I Am, I Amsterdam his project/ job.
5. Marit: Are you alright again? - reference to the role of a nurse she once played.
6. Liesbeth: Palindrome: her name Staats.

I'm sure several others have been found but some of them to me really seem a bit too much the result of tunnel vision or wishful thinking so I think these were the main ones I have read sofar.

Though we're probably going to get some nonsensical hints at the end, it's the fun of finding something anyway, and oh well who knows maybe one or two will be discussed in the final episode.. we found a few over the last few years anyway so.. :biggrin
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 29, 2012, 01:30:19 AM
Just a personal note. :P

I was eventually right about Mole S6, S8 and S11 after my lead suspect left in epi 7 (more wishful thinking because I was hoping the Mole would not be the Mole even if I thought they would be after epi 3  :lol: )

In S7 and S10 I caught on the Mole soon after +- epi 3/4.

S5 I was 50-50% in the end due to the new Mole tactics introduced.
S9 I thought was a very peculiar and unmole-ish Mole, other contestants were much more the Mole than them imo.  :lol3:

This year I think it wasn't easy because of all the diversions and the different group dynamics (i.e. everyone bonding and communicating which I think made the Mole go in hiding more, if I am right about my suspect anyway) and which led to several people being on the right track. Actually this is a trend since the last few series.

Unless it IS a total surprise Mole, the wildcard Hadewych. I would have to say though that for the Mole to earn money actively is generally not accepted as much on the Dutch Mole than it would be on eg the US Mole. The only excuse can be a sabotage going wrong or throwing off suspicion. Hadewych had no suspicion at all on her so the only thing I can think of in that scenario is mistakes, things going wrong, group dynamics or another reason that I can't think of now.

Not saying that can't be the case but to me it seems less likely, especially since she was next to invisible in the first 4 episodes and got more edit when Marit left. But that's just my opinion (and of a few fanatic hunters on Moleforums.  :lol: )

Still in this series there are no guarantees, even Liesbeth is possible I suppose although I find it highly unlikely because of her at some moments truly unmole-ish behavior and the edit she got even when doing unsuspicious things. If Tim were still in the game I would (re)consider an alternative edit this year but since he left I feel fairly confident (well as confident as anyone can be on the Mole  :lol3: ) that Liesbeth is quite unlikely as the Mole. Apart from that due to the edit almost nobody wants her to be either. :( (I like her, though, just well.. not as the Mole.. Makes sense right??  :duno:  :lol: )

But I'm not giving any guarantees of anything because this series things have been quite different from the last few, I think purposefully and we'll have a very good finale I think. Go Girls!!!  :hearts:  :keeta:  :tup:

In my opinion, compared to last year:

1. Tim = last year's Pepijn (suspected by few, rather subtle sabotages potentially - Not surprisingly Pepijn was my lead suspect last year at first  :lol: )
Hey what can I say I hate obvious moles but the two obvious ones before we had before I had no trouble identifying either except for not liking their tactics  :lol: ).
2. Liesbeth = last year's Art (even more so from epi 1 on, she seems to have had a strategy, whereas Art clearly started acting more like this since episode 4/5 when he was clueless. I think it's more tactics in Liesbeth's case tbh). She might be the winner.
3. Anne-Marie = last year's Patrick. (Similar issues, similar kind of subtle sabotages, similar pattern of earning a bit every once in a while - not sure what happened with the arrow and the haybale but tbh Patrick doubled the money in the jeepchallenge last year almost single handedly so.. who knows, mistake? Throw off suspicion??)

Alternatively it could be Hadewych, we've had Moles who weren't suspected till the very end either.
It's possible, surely. In that case Hadewych is one of the better Moles not so much in terms of sabotages maybe (though only the reveal can tell us) but certainly in misleading the contestants and the audience. It's been a while though since we've had a Mole like that and this group of contestants have been so open with each other that I wonder if and especially how she could have gotten away with that - but if she did I think all credits to her, for playing it like she did.  :)

I think Anne-Marie was suspected not so much because her sabotages but much more due to all the exchanges of information, comparing notes and her trying to keep her distance from that rather than immersing herself in it. Would have been tricky to engage in that too I think but I guess this is why we as viewers hardly suspected her whereas the contestants did, clearly..??
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on February 29, 2012, 01:56:47 AM
I think in EP5 Hadewych (the Mole I believe) asked someone on the plane about the name of Picasso's mistress, and that guy "confidently" gave an answer that later proved to be wrong. Does anyone think this scenario was in the Mole's plan?
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 29, 2012, 02:06:55 AM
I think in EP5 Hadewych (the Mole I believe) asked someone on the plane about the name of Picasso's mistress, and that guy "confidently" gave an answer that later proved to be wrong. Does anyone think this scenario was in the Mole's plan?
Well it's possible. But asking a random person would be quite a risk I think especially since someone then can answer correctly accidentally for example.

So in that case I think what you need to do is make sure someone on the plane is on board. Of course you can ask someone from Iceland too, chances are a lot smaller they would know this. But it's taking a risk either way I think.  :)

The whole thing was kinda strange anyway because she first suggested 'Alicante' (which sounded rather implausible in the first place but could have been used to go ask people for the answer in the plane, as a ploy).
Then to suggest that perhaps the city was named after his mistress to Liesbeth seemed very silly to me, because Liesbeth has a suspicious and sharp mind which well, if you're going to offer a suggestion at least make it a slightly plausible one I would say.  :lol3:

But Moles have had not too good moments in this in mole history so it's definitely possible..

At any rate the whole doubt thing made them check it at the airport and essentially put Hadewych out of the next game.
So if there was a sabotage, why not come up with a plausibel name or link, or indeed ask a Spaniard, because now everybody doubted enough to not go for it and check it so she was out of the next game in terms of influencing it??

Sure could be a sabotage gone wrong but to me, kind of strange. This would be something she should have known anyway I think in that case so her choices then seem kind of strange. Nonetheless, possible, yes imo.  :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: ZouLy on February 29, 2012, 02:25:51 AM
I'm trying my hardest to find a bit of a clue in EP1...

because at the end of the show.. when they reverse it back everything, it will start from EP1 and one of the girls will say "I am the Mole.."   :sab
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 29, 2012, 02:33:10 AM
I'm trying my hardest to find a bit of a clue in EP1...

because at the end of the show.. when they reverse it back everything, it will start from EP1 and one of the girls will say "I am the Mole.."   :sab
I agree. I think there must be some kind of link or clue there.

I think the ones found sofar (I AM/ AM = Anne-Marie's initials and MIN IS, - = ) are the strongest found sofar for the remaining contestants but I would love it if you found another good one!!  :tup:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on February 29, 2012, 08:26:32 AM
Time for the new preview and promo for episode 9!!   :hearts:
The very last challenge of this wonderful, awesome and strange season 12!!!  :'(
But it looks like a very good one to me, especially the settings.  :tup:


Also +5 minutes extra unaired footage of backstage material of episode 8 (discussions/reactios after challenges and after the execution)

Enjoy!


Extra footage episode 8:

http://www.youtube.com/v/JsVZ_hfNocY


Preview for Episode 9:


http://www.youtube.com/v/4na0d-byzOI


Promo for Episode 9:

http://www.youtube.com/v/OyjMGwaUYB8

Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 01, 2012, 07:55:03 AM
Tim Kamps added me to his facebook friend list. Hooray!
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 01, 2012, 08:31:27 AM
Tim Kamps added me to his facebook friend list. Hooray!
:lol3: Seriously?? Maybe he can give you some insider info! :sab

Well just a few more hours and we'll know who is this year's losing finalist. Always a bit of a sad moment. :(

At the moment I'm going back and forth between Anne-Marie and Hadewych as the Mole. Slightly inclining towards Anne-Marie since more potential hints seem to point her way but either wouldn't surprise me anymore at this point tbh.  :lol:

The one person that would truly surprise me (and not in a positive way I'm afraid because so many people watching the show have been onto her since day one basically.  :duno: ) would be Liesbeth being the Mole.. Then again I'll have to wait till final reveal to know what the Mole has done before I can actually say anything on how they played it honestly.  :)

Either way, excited!!  :wohoo:  :keeta:  :hoot:

We'll try to get the subs done as soon as possible as per usual.  :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 01, 2012, 09:16:16 AM
We're expecting your work! :tup:

I browsed the official facebook page of WIDM. I remember someone there said over 70% of fans voted for Liesbeth as the Mole. I'm wondering if the majority is always right, judging from history. :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 01, 2012, 12:44:56 PM
We're expecting your work! :tup:

I browsed the official facebook page of WIDM. I remember someone there said over 70% of fans voted for Liesbeth as the Mole. I'm wondering if the majority is always right, judging from history. :lol:
Usually no..  :lol3:

Then again there are always exceptions to the rule..  ;)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: coolio on March 01, 2012, 07:16:26 PM
Just watched episode 8 because it had a maze in it. And now I'm hooked! I'm gonna watch all the episodes. Now that I know the three candidates for the Mole, I can watch those three carefully!
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 02, 2012, 01:20:34 AM
Hi Coolio, welcome!
Glad you enjoyed it!  :lol:

I think in EP5 Hadewych (the Mole I believe) asked someone on the plane about the name of Picasso's mistress, and that guy "confidently" gave an answer that later proved to be wrong. Does anyone think this scenario was in the Mole's plan?

I would just like to add one thing. I don't know who the Mole is any more or less than you do.
But I would like to add that we've never had a Mole that hasn't had any suspicion on them going into the finals, even by one person.
Doesn't make sense either when you think about it, as: who would be the winner? The person who accidentally answered most answers right? :P

Even the best Moles had 2 people onto them in the Finals. Not saying it's not possible, but it's not very probable imo.
But we shall see.  ;)
(By the way, Kathryn with whom you compared Hadewych had 3 people suspecting her throughout the series if I am not mistaken, definitely at the end anyway.  :) )

Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 02, 2012, 02:50:08 AM
(By the way, Kathryn with whom you compared Hadewych had 3 people suspecting her throughout the series if I am not mistaken, definitely at the end anyway.  :) )
True. But if Charlie hadn't leaked to Steven and Jim the information that he already knew who the Mole was, the suspense of contestants would have been kept much longer in that season... (Was Charlie drunk in that episode? I can't remember clearly...) :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 02, 2012, 03:19:57 AM
(By the way, Kathryn with whom you compared Hadewych had 3 people suspecting her throughout the series if I am not mistaken, definitely at the end anyway.  :) )
True. But if Charlie hadn't leaked to Steven and Jim the information that he already knew who the Mole was, the suspense of contestants would have been kept much longer in that season... (Was Charlie drunk in that episode? I can't remember clearly...) :lol:
No Charlie leaked to Steven, I think Jim was on her by himself. But it was sad Charlie got screwed in a way because of it.
Charlie was drunk in one episode but hard to tell when it happened.

Thing is though, even with good Moles usually at least 2 people are on their tail.
I'm just saying I think this is more likely an indicator Hadewych isn't the Mole than that she is. That's all.   ;)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 02, 2012, 06:41:42 AM
Reasonable. :)

From now on, until the English version episodes come out I won't browse WIDM Facebook page and relevant Dutch Wikipedia page to avoid seeing spoilers. :lol: (My Chrome browser can automatically translate Dutch to English...)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 02, 2012, 10:58:39 AM
Reasonable. :)

From now on, until the English version episodes come out I won't browse WIDM Facebook page and relevant Dutch Wikipedia page to avoid seeing spoilers. :lol: (My Chrome browser can automatically translate Dutch to English...)
I have to say due to several reasons I only have one of my friends helping me this time. :(
So it may be Monday instead but I'll try, maybe I can make Sunday.  :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 02, 2012, 06:40:30 PM
Reasonable. :)

From now on, until the English version episodes come out I won't browse WIDM Facebook page and relevant Dutch Wikipedia page to avoid seeing spoilers. :lol: (My Chrome browser can automatically translate Dutch to English...)
I have to say due to several reasons I only have one of my friends helping me this time. :(
So it may be Monday instead but I'll try, maybe I can make Sunday.  :)

No worries. We can make use of this span of time to go through previous episodes to search for clues. :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 03, 2012, 12:55:34 AM
A question: after the execution, did the contestant executed go home or go somewhere like Ponderosa on Survivor (US)? ;)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 03, 2012, 03:25:57 AM
A question: after the execution, did the contestant executed go home or go somewhere like Ponderosa on Survivor (US)? ;)

Contestants always say they're sequestered after the execcution, brought to a hotel and/or the airport to go home.  :)
They are always writing in their diaries how lonely that experience is, and how strange for not having to remember information anymore - how it often doesn't even sink in for days sometimes.  :lol:

I think Frits mentioned flying to New York afterwards because that was his 'alibi' anyway.
Most contestants have to take 3 weeks off for this, not knowing when they will be executed upfront obviously.
So I think maybe some fly elsewhere or use that time, but usually they fly home immediately, or so that's what they keep telling us anyway.  :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 03, 2012, 05:14:30 PM
So, before we move onto the final reveal..

What are your predictions for the Finale??  :)

SuperTux, you mentioned you think Hadewych is the Mole, so who is the winner and runner-up according to you?  ;)

Georgiapeach, ZouLy, Squall16 - what are your thoughts??  :)

Feel free to share!  :)
(PS you can always change before the Finale  :) )
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 03, 2012, 05:15:39 PM
Sorry double post  :res:

Must have hit quote instead of edit sorry..Mod please remove this post?? *looks sweetly @ Mod*  :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 03, 2012, 07:21:38 PM
Hadewych the Mole, Liesbeth #1, Anne-Marie #2.

Or Liesbeth the Mole, Hadewych #1, Anne-Marie #2.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: ZouLy on March 03, 2012, 07:49:35 PM
Anne-Marie is the mole, Hadewych #1

or

Liesbeth is the mole, Hadewych #1
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: coolio on March 03, 2012, 09:57:49 PM
From the 5 episodes I've watched so far, I think Hadewych is the Mole. If Anne Marie or Leisbeth were the Mole, the show wouldn't be making such a big deal of contestants suspecting them.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 04, 2012, 01:35:43 AM
Glad that Art Rooijakkers, too, added me to his friend list on Facebook.  :wohoo:

I watched part of S11. He looked so cute in that season! :kuss: So far he's done a great job hosting this season. Hope to see him in the next one!

From the 5 episodes I've watched so far, I think Hadewych is the Mole. If Anne Marie or Leisbeth were the Mole, the show wouldn't be making such a big deal of contestants suspecting them.
Agree. Editing makes me suspect Hadewych.

But setting Liesbeth as the Mole can explain many things to me. So I'm now wavering between them. :)

Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: coolio on March 04, 2012, 09:18:55 PM
I couldn't stand to bear the wait, so I watched the episode in Dutch. I have a pretty decent idea of what happens in the end. I couldn't understand what the h*** was happening in the beginning. If you want info, PM me.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 04, 2012, 10:19:33 PM
I couldn't stand to bear the wait, so I watched the episode in Dutch. I have a pretty decent idea of what happens in the end. I couldn't understand what the h*** was happening in the beginning. If you want info, PM me.
No, I'll wait. :lol: I'm patient. ;)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Squall16 on March 04, 2012, 11:59:28 PM
So, before we move onto the final reveal..

What are your predictions for the Finale??  :)

SuperTux, you mentioned you think Hadewych is the Mole, so who is the winner and runner-up according to you?  ;)

Georgiapeach, ZouLy, Squall16 - what are your thoughts??  :)

I think Anne-Marie is the mole, and I hope Hadewych wins!! But I still don't know what all the major clues are and the 4236 is really bothering me too lol. It's probably nothing.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 05, 2012, 03:11:15 AM
I couldn't stand to bear the wait, so I watched the episode in Dutch. I have a pretty decent idea of what happens in the end. I couldn't understand what the h*** was happening in the beginning. If you want info, PM me.
Info on what, on how you didn't understand it??  :lol3:
Oh and if you decide you 'can't wait anymore' next week, be so nice to NOT go and tell people here, because that would ruin the outcome for some people who actually want to watch the show.  :)

Sorry people but this has been a very busy weekend for everyone here mainly due to holidays (and a conference in the US, and birthday celebrations...) which means that the only help I was offered also bailed out, alas. :(

I'll try to get his part done as soon as I can and have it ready here asap. :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: coolio on March 05, 2012, 05:50:16 AM
I couldn't stand to bear the wait, so I watched the episode in Dutch. I have a pretty decent idea of what happens in the end. I couldn't understand what the h*** was happening in the beginning. If you want info, PM me.
Info on what, on how you didn't understand it??  :lol3:
Oh and if you decide you 'can't wait anymore' next week, be so nice to NOT go and tell people here, because that would ruin the outcome for some people who actually want to watch the show.  :)

Sorry people but this has been a very busy weekend for everyone here mainly due to holidays (and a conference in the US, and birthday celebrations...) which means that the only help I was offered also bailed out, alas. :(

I'll try to get his part done as soon as I can and have it ready here asap. :)
Exactly, so that's why I said to PM me for info. I kinda know what happened. I take German in school, so the words are kinda similar.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 05, 2012, 03:39:05 PM
I know I'm stating the obvious Coolio, but unfortunately some people see fit to spoil other people's fun by posting spoilers. :(
Hence my request.  ;)

Well once again sorry about the slight delay but with all the IRL stuff and holidays going on here, it was a bit trickier as if was down to just me to do it this time. :) But, finally, it's all done now.  :lol:

I apologize for it being a 5 part thing, for some odd reason you tube didn't allow part three to be uploaded in complete so I had to make an extra part.


Enjoy!  :tup:  :wohoo:


THE MOLE ICELAND & SPAIN - EPISODE 9

PART 1:

http://www.youtube.com/v/gGVRJL3r08E


PART 2:

http://www.youtube.com/v/EV9sFusDhFw


PART 3:

http://www.youtube.com/v/1ySFEUx4Vk8


PART 4:

http://www.youtube.com/v/aZn4soqaOaw

 
PART 5:

http://www.youtube.com/v/5UyxXR8ZY-A
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 06, 2012, 02:43:48 AM
In the question 21 concerning Quartet game in this episode, only two choices were given, not three.

Does it mean that
Show content
Liesbeth
is not the Mole?

ETA: My final guess:
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Anne-Marie the winner, Hadewych the Mole, Liesbeth the loser.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 06, 2012, 03:23:47 AM
In the question 21 concerning Quartet game in this episode, only two choices were given, not three.
Does it mean that
Show content
Liesbeth
is not the Mole?
Obviously I don't know the answer to that yet.  :lol:
Can't remember that they ever used such clues before.  :duno:

Thing is though in another test-question there was also a 'mistake', i.e. question No. 28, how much money did the Mole's envelope contain.
Anne-Marie's contained €1250,- not €1500,-

Personally I don't think the lack of one specific answer would be a hint, but who knows.  :)
Not sure why they did it, perhaps to get some suspicion on one or two people.  :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Squall16 on March 06, 2012, 05:27:34 PM


Thing is though in another test-question there was also a 'mistake', i.e. question No. 28, how much money did the Mole's envelope contain.
Anne-Marie's contained €1250,- not €1500,-

Personally I don't think the lack of one specific answer would be a hint, but who knows.  :)
Not sure why they did it, perhaps to get some suspicion on one or two people.  :lol:

I NOTICED THAT TOOO!!!!!!!!!!


I think they only put 2 answers for the other two contestants.

My prediction
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Leisbeth -- Runner Up; Anne-Marie -- Mole; Hadewych -- WINNER!
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 07, 2012, 05:36:53 AM
Just a few more days before we'll know for sure.  :)

But my final prediction is the same as yours Squall.  :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: ZouLy on March 08, 2012, 07:03:48 PM
Anne-Marie is the mole, Hadewych #1

or

Liesbeth is the mole, Hadewych #1


uhukk..uhuk... *cough*....

is there any points for the prediction round? hahaha  :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: ZouLy on March 08, 2012, 07:14:59 PM
WIE IS DE MOL FINALE 2012...  :jam: :jam: :jam:


http://www.youtube.com/v/Ruzb1E7a0nU
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 08, 2012, 10:25:16 PM
I'm thinking about devising a special reward challenge for WIDM. Any contestant who's won the reward challenge can know his/her score in the quiz in this episode.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Squall16 on March 11, 2012, 10:55:48 AM
I'm thinking about devising a special reward challenge for WIDM. Any contestant who's won the reward challenge can know his/her score in the quiz in this episode.

Cool! But that could almost SECURE them the win?
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 11, 2012, 06:18:49 PM
Well guys it's time for the Final Reveal...  :wohoo:

We finally know the identity of the Mole, the Winner and the Runner-up..

What their sabotages were.. and what the clues were..  :keeta:  :conf:   :yess:  :hearts:

Hope you guys will enjoy it!!!  :)
Feel free to share your thoughts as per always!!  :tup:

Also a big shout out and many thanks to my friends and fellow Mole fans who helped out tremendously during this series with all their efforts in subtitling!!  :hrt: Awesome job guys!  :ghug:


Enjoy!  :tup:  :wohoo:


THE MOLE ICELAND & SPAIN - EPISODE 10

PART 1:

http://www.youtube.com/v/bBm-8QHefjg


PART 2:

http://www.youtube.com/v/5i0pEmZVlZU


PART 3:

http://www.youtube.com/v/uFcXAVIK9Ls


PART 4:

http://www.youtube.com/v/PL-c2rnG2qY

 
PART 5:

http://www.youtube.com/v/XEFCYKbIoYw
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 11, 2012, 06:25:49 PM
Extra footage on sabotages and Mole clues


http://www.youtube.com/v/zexOguD1LL0


http://www.youtube.com/v/tSQPFas47_E


http://www.youtube.com/v/jqhym0NWPCs


Extra Mole Clues in the titles of the episodes:

Episode 1:
Title: 'The first two hours'.
The Mole is the person to arrive at the Dakota first and resets the clock from 3 to 2 hours. She is also introduced first of all the contestants.

Episode 2:
Title: 'Minus' ('In de Min').
The Mole tries to change a 'times' into a 'minus' on the stair challenge at the waterfall.

Episode 3:
Title: 'No Sherades/ Not an Act' ('Geen Toneel').
The Mole can't see William's sign reading 'Actors with a 'C''.

Episode 4:
Title: 'Someone Else'.
The Mole is stood by the I Am sign that was assigned to Frits but it actually reflects on her initials Anne-Marie. It's also a clue that she has taken on another identity, she is someone else i.e. the Mole.

Episode 5:
Title : Reversed / from back to forth.
The Mole came last answering the questions on the plane, then first and last in the Western challenge, and arrived at Art first in the Caste/ crosses challenge.

Episode 6:
Title: 'Smoke screen'.
The Mole pulled up a smoke screen by claiming the burning arrow that made them money, but it was Hadewych that actually hit the hay bale, earning the group €2500,-.

Episode 7:
Title: 'Self-knowledge'.
The Mole depicts another woman called 'Marie' as well in a living painting.
(Marie-Thérese Walter, Picasso's mistress).

Episode 8:
Title: 'Tim, Anne-Marie and Liesbeth'.
Those were the names of the packs of four of a kind of the contestants still in the game that the Mole had gathered. The Mole also predicted these three to be in the Finale during the episode.

Episode 9:
Title: 'Yes No... No Yes' (Ja Nee.. Nee Ja).
Yes and No are being turned around.
If you turn around 'Ja Nee' you get 'Een AJ' , the initials of the Mole (Anne-Marie Jung), being the 'one' Mole.

Episode 10:
Title: 'Only one in Spain' ('Maar een in Spanje').
'Maar een in' is an anagram of the Mole's name, Anne-Marie.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 12, 2012, 03:40:12 AM
Watched the finale. Thanks for your work, Topita! :tup:

I don't think contestants should focus too much on misleading other contestants. Come on, bring some money to the pot. It was an easy job for the Mole this season...

P.S. I still have no clue about what the missing answers meant in the final quiz. The finale didn't talk about that.

Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 12, 2012, 11:41:51 AM
P.S. I still have no clue about what the missing answers meant in the final quiz. The finale didn't talk about that.

Well both questions were strange, the other one with the incorrect answer 3 (wrong amount) too.
There's still a Mole Fanday on March 18th, which I myself won't be attending but usually quite a few people post video's or 'reports' on what happened, which questions were asked and answered.

If this comes up somewhere I will tell you.  :)
But I wouldn't get my hopes up. I think either it's a mistake or it was just one of those 1000 things they put in there that meant nothing or is a smoke screen, like eg the whole 3-1=2 stuff.  :lol3:

Regardless I'll let you know if I do hear something.  :)

Hope you enjoyed it.  :)
And well bear in mind that the dynamics this year were quite different from others with all the contestants sharing so much information... The Mole had to operate within that so I think that wasn't a very easy job.
And yes the contestants themselves screwed up royally on several occasions..

I hope next year people will be playing it more individually, makes the game more interesting I think.
Yet, I did enjoy the series on the whole I must say.  :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 13, 2012, 12:11:23 AM
I don't think contestants should focus too much on misleading other contestants. Come on, bring some money to the pot. It was an easy job for the Mole this season...

Ok, well I hope you'll be ok with me coming back to this point again.  :)

I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone on this point. I have thought about it all, let it sink in and discussed it with a number of people on the Moleforum I visit (avid Mole watchers that is, over the last 12 seasons).
Different visions and interpretations prevail, so I'm not saying I speak for everyone.. But I do speak with a number of people I trust and have proven themselves to be good Molehunters too, because basically it's about seeing beyond the 'obvious' and trying to put yourself in the Mole position. Which is why I never ever, once even, believed it was Liesbeth. I had my doubts initially about Tim, and felt the edit suggested it wasn't him - should have stuck to that obviously, also he doesn't seem the type to be able to handle it.. But all is clear with 20/20 hindsight obviously.  :lol3:

I understand your comment because I did feel it came across that way. Actually I blame the producers for that.
I think we were not dealing with an inactive Mole in fact (to me, Patrick was far less active eg though he had no excuse for being so other than his cowardess of being detected or getting suspicion on him going to extremes such as keeping his fakemoles around.. Not cool at all imho. :( )

If group dynamics had been different in this bunch, eg had the same dynamic like it did in Season 2011, there would have been a much better chance of Anne-Marie getting a lot more leeway/ options to sabotage. As it stands she was much more conscious of the suspicions as they were expressed freely and openly, putting her in a very awkward position as all eyes were fixed on her (well some of them anyway  :lol: ) and she didn't want to give away the game. Who could have anticipated William suggesting what he did or people taking that from it - or all contestants being honest to each other about their suspicions (well except for William clearly? ) .. I think the production should have caught on to that a lot sooner than they did and somehow intervened.. they did not.

What was left was in part 'damage control' imo (dissuading two people who initially suspected her somewhat due to production decisions partly due to her arriving first at the plane changing the clock/ 3-1=2 thing, and the contestants actually saying they had a question on their first test asking if the Mole had changed the challenge time from 3 to 2 hours put her really in the frame imo.. I would suspect her and that is definitely a mistake of the production imo....) yet she still tried to sabotage.

You could say it was down to others and in part it was indeed, as it has been for years now tbh..

But look at the extra clips of the Mole sabotages,  for instance.  :)
She managed to persuade Hadewych (who stated suspecting her intuitively from day one, based on merely a hunch and went all in for her..) to say the one photo she knew she was going to be asked about (Marit's parents) might belong to Tim instead, because of his posture. She knew Marit was onto her partially, though she distrusted everyone at that stage apparently.. So she wouldn't take her word for it for sure.. Using Hadewych whom Marit clearly trusted was a very smart move, which made sure Marit used that as her basis - Challenge failed because of that first and foremost... (Marit mentioned she did take that as her main basis that challenge).

Or the extra footage of the Ronda-kidnap challenge..
When I was translating I was really wondering why Hadewych mentioned all these cities on the shore mainly tourist places.
Well guess what? Anne-Marie suggested it on the phone and Liesbeth concurred.. In the extra footage we see Anne-Marie suggesting tourist places on the shore (which, yes, are very well known for this in the Netherlands, a lot of us vacation there..)
So we see Hadewych mentioning lots of different places there that were far off from where they were yet plausible enough to be called.
Hence it took a long time to find them.
Apart from this she stalled by keep driving at a snail's pace in first gear for a long time, and she went the wrong way in Ronda costing them a lot of time (Hade wouldn't allow her to manage the phone so she found another way.  :lol: )
I actually think they were probably out of time, since the whole missing the right exit was crucial, considering how much time it took to go to Ronda, but the production probably felt it was a pretty sad affair anyway, the pot being so low..

I'm just trying to say that things are not that simple and straightforward to appreciate what a mole could or could not do.
Personally I think her claiming that arrow and throwing away the chalk were pretty gutsy and have nothing to do with being reliant on others to Mole.. The fact that they sometimes did on purpose or just out of clumsiness.. Well what could she have done about that as a Mole specifically??

To me she's not on my 'top' list of Moles but I don't think she did a bad job at all either, all things considering.  :)
That's a matter of opinion though surely.   :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 16, 2012, 08:25:10 PM
I have a question for you guys.  :)

I have received multiple requests about us translating an older Dutch Mole series.
I've discussed it with some of the translators and I think we might make this work even if over a somewhat larger time span than the weekly churning out.  :lol:

In fact I think we might translate a few episodes and then put them online so we don't have the time pressure yet will be able to bring it to you guys on a regular (hopefully +- weekly) basis. Mind you this is one of the older series so it may look different, not as snazzy as the 2012 one. But I think it may still be enjoyable.  :)

I was wondering if you guys might be interested in watching this too?
Just trying to find out if there is enough interest for us to engage in this again since after all it is a lot of effort and commitment, but it also makes me happy if other people enjoy watching the series all the same.  :)

So, let me know please what your thoughts on it are?  ;)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 16, 2012, 08:59:12 PM
I have a question for you guys.  :)

I have received multiple requests about us translating an older Dutch Mole series.
I've discussed it with some of the translators and I think we might make this work even if over a somewhat larger time span than the weekly churning out.  :lol:

In fact I think we might translate a few episodes and then put them online so we don't have the time pressure yet will be able to bring it to you guys on a regular (hopefully +- weekly) basis. Mind you this is one of the older series so it may look different, not as snazzy as the 2012 one. But I think it may still be enjoyable.  :)

I was wondering if you guys might be interested in watching this too?
Just trying to find out if there is enough interest for us to engage in this again since after all it is a lot of effort and commitment, but it also makes me happy if other people enjoy watching the series all the same.  :)

So, let me know please what your thoughts on it are?  ;)
It's OK to me. Thanks for your hard work. :tup:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 16, 2012, 09:14:49 PM
It's OK to me. Thanks for your hard work. :tup:

:P

'OK' as in 'yeah ok, alright then'? Or as in 'Yeah I would like that'?
I'm just saying, I would like to know I am not putting myself and others through all that in vain and people actually would like to watch, which seems a bit different to me than 'it's ok to me'.  ;)
You know I do have other ways to spend my time, in case you're wondering..  :lol3:
I don't mind/ would like to do it but only if people are truly interested otherwise I would feel it's a waste of our time potentially and I won't be asking my friends to do that. :(

Anyway, yeah I'll pass on your thanks to my friends.  ;)
Glad you enjoyed it.  :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 17, 2012, 07:27:32 AM
It's OK to me. Thanks for your hard work. :tup:

:P

'OK' as in 'yeah ok, alright then'? Or as in 'Yeah I would like that'?
I'm just saying, I would like to know I am not putting myself and others through all that in vain and people actually would like to watch, which seems a bit different to me than 'it's ok to me'.  ;)
You know I do have other ways to spend my time, in case you're wondering..  :lol3:
I don't mind/ would like to do it but only if people are truly interested otherwise I would feel it's a waste of our time potentially and I won't be asking my friends to do that. :(

Anyway, yeah I'll pass on your thanks to my friends.  ;)
Glad you enjoyed it.  :)
Sorry for my words resulting in confusion... To me personally I appreciate your work, but because of limited time, I may not watch the "old" seasons your team is discussing about translation. But there are at least two friends of mine who're big fans of The Mole. I think they'll be overjoyed if your team decides to translate and upload the old seasons. :hoot:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 17, 2012, 12:21:33 PM
Sorry for my words resulting in confusion... To me personally I appreciate your work, but because of limited time, I may not watch the "old" seasons your team is discussing about translation. But there are at least two friends of mine who're big fans of The Mole. I think they'll be overjoyed if your team decides to translate and upload the old seasons. :hoot:

Ok thanx for the clarification.  :tup:
Clear now.  ;)

If we do do this series, I think you would enjoy it though if you find the time to watch it.  :lol:
We'll see, if we do decide to do it I will keep you guys in the loop.  :)
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: coolio on March 17, 2012, 09:16:04 PM
I would love if you could subtitle older seasons! If you have the time of course.  :luvya: I need ideas for a Mole game I'm putting together with my friends.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 18, 2012, 03:59:53 PM
I would love if you could subtitle older seasons! If you have the time of course.  :luvya: I need ideas for a Mole game I'm putting together with my friends.


:tup: Glad to hear it! I will definitely keep you posted on that.  :)

Well, the Mole Fanday was today.

Photo ops with favorite contestants a.o., and an auction of Mole S12 objects (such as the special Mole money of this year) of which the total came to more than €2.200,- for a charity for which Frits is the ambassador.

Maybe some more interesting answers will be posted later when people get home.  :)

1. Originally the series was planned to be Morocco - Spain. (Funny because there have been speculations about exactly that ).
They changed the plan due to the Arabic Spring and instability of the situation. Just before departure they decided to go to Iceland instead. (Where they were dealing with a volcano erupting by the way..  :o Looks like this season has had it's fair share of problems  :ascared).

2. Because the departure date, identity of the contestants & the destination had been leaked by the press (first time ever this happened in 12 seasons!) they had to cancel and/or change several challenges because having the contestants spotted in very public places would have been a risk in terms of spoilers.

3. Originally the city tour in Reykjavik was supposed to be given by the mayor but he was unable to do it. He was the one who suggested the rather ehm characteristic lady in red instead.  :lol:

4. Anne-Marie got advice/ tips from the production via sms during the filming.

5. Tim still can't give a logical reason for what he did in the Höfdi House, it was 'just stupid' (Don't think he will get any argument there..   :lol3: )

6. Art confirmed that 'Jung es' (him saying 'jongens'/ 'guys' a lot) was an official clue to AM Jung.

7. Art is going to use the money he won last year on an Elvis Crusade in the US (whatever that means :P  )
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 18, 2012, 08:12:38 PM
Is the money contestants get after completing a challenge real money? The crew could even print the Mole's image on it this year.
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on March 19, 2012, 12:04:05 AM
Is the money contestants get after completing a challenge real money? The crew could even print the Mole's image on it this year.

 :)
No the money they get after completing a challenge is 'Mole money', a prop basically.  :)

The money they get in the end is real money, though.  :lol:
(Unless Art wants to pay with Mole money in Graceland  :lol3: )

They just hand out Mole money to represent it during the game. It's a prop and in this case with an extra, with AM's face as a watermark.  :hearts:

I think someone handed out a few hundred actual and real for that when it got auctioned on the Mole Fanday.  ;)

That's ok though because it's going to a good charity, of which Frits is the ambassador.  :tup:
Everyone quite happy.  :lol:
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: SuperTux on March 31, 2012, 09:50:09 PM
ETA2:
I just read a comment on the main Mole forum about this (sorry hadn't seen that one before!)
Apparently these numbers were the number of suspicions all contestants that were left in the game had on the official site at the time of the twitter:

(http://i.imgur.com/H2VBM.jpg)

Still don't know if it means anything..  :duno:
Weird thing to tweet, because those numbers change so often?!
I get the feeling there's something about this (or it's just all mindgames..  :lol3:  pffff  :crazy:  :lol: )
What do those numbers mean?
Title: Re: Dutch Mole - New series with English subtitles!
Post by: Topita on April 01, 2012, 06:58:28 AM
That was never explained, but it was the amount of votes contestants got on the site ito people suspecting them.

The tweet was 'who are seeing it right?' So I guess the question was, how many people were onto the right Mole on the forum at the time.  :)