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Title: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 12, 2011, 11:29:25 PM
TAR 19 will be starting before long.  :hearts:

As always, per RFF's practices, exact info on teams, locations and especially possible start city will be withheld until it is believed that the teams are safely underway and it is possible to share without jeopardizing anyone's chances.

This thread will be opened as the race gets underway!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: smiley on June 16, 2011, 11:15:46 PM
A night start possibly, Peach?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on June 17, 2011, 12:43:07 AM
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We have arrived in Taiwan and everything is going well. It was a heck of a long trip to get here but if the first few hours are an indication of our time here it will be incredible. The people are friendly and the food is awesome. Gwynivere did very well, almost puked at LAX and had a couple of small meltdowns but also got compliments from other passengers for behaving so well on the plane. Melody hates landing
a few seconds ago · ·

Doubt this guy is on the race, but he may have seen teams? I dunno, just guessing here, lol.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on June 17, 2011, 12:43:49 AM
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We have arrived in Taiwan and everything is going well. It was a heck of a long trip to get here but if the first few hours are an indication of our time here it will be incredible. The people are friendly and the food is awesome. Gwynivere did very well, almost puked at LAX and had a couple of small meltdowns but also got compliments from other passengers for behaving so well on the plane. Melody hates landing
a few seconds ago · ·

Doubt this guy is on the race, but he may have seen teams? I dunno, just guessing here, lol.

I don't think they have reached Taiwan yet.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: redwings8831 on June 17, 2011, 12:52:04 AM
post from facebook
Teams are on flight to Taipei,Taiwan
also got an earlier one but im sure peach know that 1

There are no posts on facebook that come up when you do the following search: Teams, flight, Taipei.

(http://i54.[banned image hosting site].com/6z3tiu.png)

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Snooky on June 17, 2011, 09:08:38 AM
LOL, maybe it's possible production.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: dojima on June 17, 2011, 04:39:18 PM
If they really are in Taiwan, I have a million cousins that could keep an eye out.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 17, 2011, 05:08:34 PM
This is not really a sighting and who knows where he is getting his info from but @Brunolad posted this on Twitter:

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the amazing race 19 start yesterday,teams are ahead to taiwan
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Declive on June 17, 2011, 05:37:08 PM
Guys,i'm @BrunoLad. I was tweeting what was said here  :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: TheAmazingRace4Ever on June 17, 2011, 09:10:28 PM
American Airlines Flight 80 from DFW is departing to London's Heathrow at 21:30 CDT.
Could it be a connecter flight to someplace else?  :duno: :duno: :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 17, 2011, 09:26:12 PM
Ugh, I would have been well up for driving up to Heathrow to see if the teams come off the flight. Sods law that I'm out of the country!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on June 18, 2011, 08:37:32 AM
And the Dallas sighting, like the JFK sighting is believed to be bogus. :tup:

I don't think it is likely they will fly Cathay Pacific for the first leg flight too. JMHO.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 18, 2011, 04:32:50 PM
So they were supposedly spotted in LAX...why would they fly to Europe?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 18, 2011, 04:36:15 PM
Other tweets by Twitter poster:

Some of the teams I see got the earlier flight to frankfurt, the others are on my flight this evening!! They won't show me the clue :-(

Teams are really nice (and hot!) but say they'll get in trouble if they pose in a picture with me :( amazing race gonna be awesome

They won't tell me where they're going once we get to Frankfurt but I see some of them have boarding passes for connecting flights.

Funny to see how teams are already forming cliques and some won't even go near the other. Two of these girls must be pageant queens
a few seconds ago

This last one doesn't make sense however...why would they START in Argentina, I think he means first leg in Argentina, but due to volcanic ash had to change race course...?

Crew guy told me they were supposed to start the race in argentina but had to change last minute cause the flights got messed up!

connecting in Frankfurt to somewhere else in Europe makes sense also Africa is a possibility.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 18, 2011, 04:37:11 PM
...Because they can, and have before?...TAR14 - LAX-Switzerland on Lufhtansa (cannot spell)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 18, 2011, 04:38:35 PM
...Because they can, and have before?...TAR14 - LAX-Switzerland on Lufhtansa (cannot spell)

I didn't remember that. I guess it is possible. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 18, 2011, 04:40:06 PM
New post from this poster on Twitter

posted a few seconds ago -

One team is a married couple...both are "little" people. I think they might be the same ones that had a reality show, but not sure

It could be the Roloffs from here in Oregon.  They had a reality show but they ended the show last year.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on June 18, 2011, 04:44:06 PM
So sounds like Germany then  :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 18, 2011, 04:45:06 PM
So sounds like Germany then  :yess:

Maybe somewhere in Germany thats possible by plane, but its morely looks like somewhere else in Europe or Africa.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 18, 2011, 04:55:29 PM
Frankfurt is more than likely a connecting point IMHO. But I guess there is no reason not to expect a Germany leg.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 18, 2011, 05:04:05 PM
Frankfurt is more than likely a connecting point IMHO. But I guess there is no reason not to expect a Germany leg.

My guesses for within Germany: Dusseldorf, Dresden, Stuttgart, Berlin, Hanover, Cologne, Bremen.  Outside Germany: Billund, Copenhagen, Brussels, Luxembourg, Helsinki, Riga, and Belgrade.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on June 18, 2011, 05:07:19 PM
Frankfurt is more than likely a connecting point IMHO. But I guess there is no reason not to expect a Germany leg.

My guesses for within Germany: Dusseldorf, Dresden, Stuttgart, Berlin, Hanover, Cologne, Bremen.  Outside Germany: Billund, Copenhagen, Brussels, Luxembourg, Helsinki, Riga, and Belgrade.

Hopefully one of these.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tdeathgem on June 18, 2011, 05:13:17 PM
Is it official that the race has started?
 :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on June 18, 2011, 05:14:25 PM
Is it official that the race has started?
 :)

Sure sounds like it.  :keeta:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 18, 2011, 05:19:49 PM
Oh yeah, we have teams now in Niagra Falls, DC and on the way to Frankfurt! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tdeathgem on June 18, 2011, 05:24:43 PM
Oh yeah, we have teams now in Niagra Falls, DC and on the way to Frankfurt! :lol:

um... Start in DC, Connect in Frankfort, go to Canada????
Or are those just 3 different rumors...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 18, 2011, 05:26:14 PM
Totally made me laugh-out-loud just then. They are definitely three different rumours, all of which I am quite worried about!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tdeathgem on June 18, 2011, 05:27:14 PM
Wow, I am stupid. Start in Canada/DC, Connect in Canada/DC and fly to Frankfurt
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kacper on June 18, 2011, 05:27:55 PM
Oh yeah, we have teams now in Niagra Falls, DC and on the way to Frankfurt! :lol:

Question is: "Is any of these rumors true?"  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tdeathgem on June 18, 2011, 05:30:10 PM
Germany may be a problem due to E. Coli...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 18, 2011, 05:32:07 PM
LAX-Frankfurt-Copenhagen,Denmark is looking to be promising, but I am still nervous after all these hoaxes!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on June 18, 2011, 05:33:42 PM
If the race had started today and we somehow missed it, I'd be shocked. You would think that more people would have been tweeting about this if it were true. I call all three of these as fake.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 18, 2011, 05:35:03 PM
If the race had started today and we somehow missed it, I'd be shocked. You would think that more people would have been tweeting about this if it were true. I call all three of these as fake.

Maybe they started somewhere like last season near Palm Springs in the desert where its more isolated.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 18, 2011, 05:38:10 PM
LAX-Frankfurt-Copenhagen,Denmark is looking to be promising, but I am still nervous after all these hoaxes!

I am taking this set of tweets with caution until we some someone else reporting on it from LAX (or elsewhere in the Los Angeles area) as well. Most of the pre-race indications had them going to Asia first. This info looks good, but we may have finally found a smooth hoaxer.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 18, 2011, 05:41:37 PM
LAX-Frankfurt-Copenhagen,Denmark is looking to be promising, but I am still nervous after all these hoaxes!

I am taking this set of tweets with caution until we some someone else reporting on it from LAX (or elsewhere in the Los Angeles area) as well. Most of the pre-race indications had them going to Asia first. This info looks good, but we may have finally found a smooth hoaxer.

This guy doesn't look/sound like a hoaxer to me.    Peach will clarify if this person is a hoaxer or not.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 18, 2011, 05:43:19 PM
LAX-Frankfurt-Copenhagen,Denmark is looking to be promising, but I am still nervous after all these hoaxes!

I am taking this set of tweets with caution until we some someone else reporting on it from LAX (or elsewhere in the Los Angeles area) as well. Most of the pre-race indications had them going to Asia first. This info looks good, but we may have finally found a smooth hoaxer.

That's what I was thinking. He keeps introducing new "info" like they were supposed to go to argentina and now they are going to Copenhagen. Also he never really tweeted before this and didn't have any followers until you guys started following him.

However, I think his ramblings are fact based but embellished :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on June 18, 2011, 05:43:38 PM
If the race had started today and we somehow missed it, I'd be shocked. You would think that more people would have been tweeting about this if it were true. I call all three of these as fake.

Maybe they started somewhere like last season near Palm Springs in the desert where its more isolated.

Could be. But we still had plenty of sightings that day at LAX. I'm also bothered by the time of day though. It seems a little late to be starting. I thought most of the time they began in the morning or early afternoon.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tdeathgem on June 18, 2011, 05:47:26 PM
If the race had started today and we somehow missed it, I'd be shocked. You would think that more people would have been tweeting about this if it were true. I call all three of these as fake.

Maybe they started somewhere like last season near Palm Springs in the desert where its more isolated.

Could be. But we still had plenty of sightings that day at LAX. I'm also bothered by the time of day though. It seems a little late to be starting. I thought most of the time they began in the morning or early afternoon.

I am taking these tweets with caution until he gets a picture...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 18, 2011, 05:47:32 PM
If the race had started today and we somehow missed it, I'd be shocked. You would think that more people would have been tweeting about this if it were true. I call all three of these as fake.

Maybe they started somewhere like last season near Palm Springs in the desert where its more isolated.

Could be. But we still had plenty of sightings that day at LAX. I'm also bothered by the time of day though. It seems a little late to be starting. I thought most of the time they began in the morning or early afternoon.

Its almost 4:00pm here on the west coast.  The race could have started in the late morning around 11am-noon.  Remember they have to travel to the airport, get to the terminal, go through check-in and security.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 18, 2011, 05:49:49 PM
LAX-Frankfurt-Copenhagen,Denmark is looking to be promising, but I am still nervous after all these hoaxes!

I am taking this set of tweets with caution until we some someone else reporting on it from LAX (or elsewhere in the Los Angeles area) as well. Most of the pre-race indications had them going to Asia first. This info looks good, but we may have finally found a smooth hoaxer.

This guy doesn't look/sound like a hoaxer to me.   

I agree, he doesn't sound like a hoaxer. He sounds like a real fan, like what I would be saying if I was there. He's been a tweeting machine. I'm just trying to be cautious since in the past, we've usually had several people tweeting about seeing the TAR racers. It's a bit funny that we haven't seen any other reports yet. That's all I'm saying. I'd expect to see some other people tweeting about it in the next couple of hours or at least before the flight leaves.

Also, he's apparently never sent a tweet until an hour ago. That's a bit suspicious.

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 18, 2011, 05:51:08 PM
If the race had started today and we somehow missed it, I'd be shocked. You would think that more people would have been tweeting about this if it were true. I call all three of these as fake.

Maybe they started somewhere like last season near Palm Springs in the desert where its more isolated.

Could be. But we still had plenty of sightings that day at LAX. I'm also bothered by the time of day though. It seems a little late to be starting. I thought most of the time they began in the morning or early afternoon.

Its almost 4:00pm here on the west coast.  The race could have started in the late morning around 11am-noon.  Remember they have to travel to the airport, get to the terminal, go through check-in and security.

And the supposed starting line task. (I don't think there is any way he could know if they had done one, either a guess or a fabrication imo)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 18, 2011, 05:51:52 PM
I am seeing a lot of DC tweets which indicates a local race?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kacper on June 18, 2011, 05:53:08 PM
If the race had started today and we somehow missed it, I'd be shocked. You would think that more people would have been tweeting about this if it were true. I call all three of these as fake.

Maybe they started somewhere like last season near Palm Springs in the desert where its more isolated.

Could be. But we still had plenty of sightings that day at LAX. I'm also bothered by the time of day though. It seems a little late to be starting. I thought most of the time they began in the morning or early afternoon.

I am taking these tweets with caution until he gets a picture...

Yeah. Me too. Is there any possibility that somebody could ask him to take some pictures?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tdeathgem on June 18, 2011, 05:54:29 PM
If the race had started today and we somehow missed it, I'd be shocked. You would think that more people would have been tweeting about this if it were true. I call all three of these as fake.

Maybe they started somewhere like last season near Palm Springs in the desert where its more isolated.

Could be. But we still had plenty of sightings that day at LAX. I'm also bothered by the time of day though. It seems a little late to be starting. I thought most of the time they began in the morning or early afternoon.

I am taking these tweets with caution until he gets a picture...

Yeah. Me too. Is there any possibility that somebody could ask him to take some pictures?

I did
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tdeathgem on June 18, 2011, 05:57:07 PM
Wait... How is the tweeter sure that those are the teams...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on June 18, 2011, 05:57:27 PM
Until we know if this is fake or not, I guess I'll humor it for a bit. The description of married little people from TV made me think of Bill Klein and Jen Arnold. I saw them on TV once and they also have a show on TLC.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: stifflfootball on June 18, 2011, 06:06:17 PM
Based on the speculated starting line challenge and up to 3 teams getting on the earlier flight to Frankfurt (Lufthansa 457), they would arrive in Frankfurt at 10:25 Sunday morning with the connection to Copenhagen (Lufthansa 828) departing at 2:45PM, arriving in Copenhagen at 4:05PM.  The other teams may be flying to Frankfort on Lufthansa 451, departing 7:00PM and arriving Sunday at 2:40PM with the connection to Copenhagen (Lufthansa 830) departing at 4:55PM and arriving in Copenhagen at 6:15PM.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: paldog123456 on June 18, 2011, 06:08:58 PM
So the first destination is Copenhagen?! I love it!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 18, 2011, 06:18:52 PM
Where was the startline? Were teams in Canada?

No, teams were probally in the Los Angeles metropolitan area like last season and the 12th-16ths seasons as well.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: graytex on June 18, 2011, 06:26:16 PM
Amazing Race DC was today.  I'm guessing that might be the DC sightings.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: guacamole300 on June 18, 2011, 06:29:54 PM



emilyreagh
Anyone know when the amazing race starts filming? I think I just saw contestants
hace 5 horas



anybody saw this tweet?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on June 18, 2011, 06:30:18 PM
I can't find any of these tweets...  :duno: Keywords? Username?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 18, 2011, 06:31:04 PM



emilyreagh
Anyone know when the amazing race starts filming? I think I just saw contestants
hace 5 horas



anybody saw this tweet?

Yes, this Tweeter is from Canada.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tdeathgem on June 18, 2011, 06:32:42 PM
Phil just Retweeted..

RT... Anne Samplonius #NOWNovartis GC #NVGP 5th. Go @philkeoghan team racing for #ms
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: guacamole300 on June 18, 2011, 06:34:59 PM
oh sorry, i thought i was on the live tweets thread and didnt see it, I just saw there... :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 18, 2011, 06:35:34 PM
Phil just Retweeted..

RT... Anne Samplonius #NOWNovartis GC #NVGP 5th. Go @philkeoghan team racing for #ms

That was four hours ago.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tdeathgem on June 18, 2011, 06:45:20 PM
Phil just Retweeted..

RT... Anne Samplonius #NOWNovartis GC #NVGP 5th. Go @philkeoghan team racing for #ms

That was four hours ago.

The main tweet was 4 hours ago...
@PhilKeoghan retweeted 20 minutes ago
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 18, 2011, 06:55:06 PM
Anyone could have access to Phil's twitter account especially as a means to throw off us!!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 18, 2011, 07:00:16 PM
During the last filming he left a buffer of about a month on either end.  :duno: That kind of break is obviously not going to happen this time.

(http://i.imm.io/6Aw5.png)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 18, 2011, 07:35:31 PM
I am assuming it maybe false, because Peach is offline. Don't kill me Peach for the comment.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 18, 2011, 07:36:37 PM
I am assuming it maybe false, because Peach is offline. Don't kill me Peach for the comment.  :lol:

I asked them if they saw any teams over twenty minutes ago, but they are ignoring me and Tweeting about other things.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 18, 2011, 08:18:19 PM
Phil can tweet whenever he wants, it is only racers who cannot.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 18, 2011, 09:59:04 PM
If the Buddhist temple ends up being the start line maybe they are having a religious theme to the season?  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 18, 2011, 10:14:49 PM
It's a very impressive temple and their website shows the schedule as being completely free of events today.

I'd expect that if the bus was there, that must be the starting location.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 18, 2011, 10:16:52 PM
Regarding that twitpic of the bus:

I'm assuming the bus is registered in California (it's hard for me to make out the jurisdiction on the top of the license plate; but the license plate has the  letters and numbers of "CP00069."  I don't know if California has a publicly accessible system to check license plate nummbers or not, butthat could lead to something, or even if it is a current tag.


In past seasons, when they have used a bus for the start (like season 1) they used two or more buses, not just one.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 18, 2011, 11:28:32 PM
Season 1 and 16 had one bus...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: amazing race fan on June 18, 2011, 11:37:14 PM
I am just curious, do we know that this picture is actually of TAR? Nothing in the picture tells you that the people are on TAR. They probably are because of the camera person filming, but I am just wondering if we have any official confirmation of this.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 18, 2011, 11:43:10 PM
What else could it be? 2 people, LAX (LA startline spoiler with the TAR bus) filmed by cameraman almost identical to the usual TAR cameramen and soundmen...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on June 19, 2011, 03:08:44 AM
So if Steven saw the Amazing Race filmed at the temple it makes perfect sense as a tie in to Taiwan as the first location.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 19, 2011, 03:13:52 AM
Really good point! ^^
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 19, 2011, 03:22:36 AM
Argh.. I'm going to be in south-east Asia in 2 weeks time and was kinda hoping I'd get a chance to do some detective work! Looks like I might arrive too late..
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on June 19, 2011, 03:44:35 AM
I'll speculate. :lol: NOTE: THIS IS JUST AN EDUCATED HUNCH BASED ON SPOILERS NOW GIVEN, :angel: DO NOT CONSIDER THIS AS A REAL SPOILER.

FIRST TASK: Drive to Hsi Lai Buddhist Temple (of course, teams will be shocked that they thought the race is in US)
- It will be much more fun if they are only given a picture for reference. :lol: But that would be too sadistic. :lol:

SECOND TASK: The Hsi Lai Temple is affiliated with one of _______ (country) largest religious orgs. That country will be your first destination.
- I wish there is a get a departure time task in the Hsi Lai Temple. :lol:

THIRD TASK: Drive yourselves to LAX and fly to Taiwan!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 19, 2011, 03:45:48 AM
Nice job everyone! Just as a side note, Wikipedia says: 'The temple is affiliated with one of Taiwan's largest religious organizations, the Fo Guang Shan Buddhist order.'

This would tie in nicely with the Taipei flights, and it is thus unlikely that there will be a connecting flight out of Taiwan..

EDIT: Old news...!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on June 19, 2011, 04:43:29 AM
Peach just confirmed the starting line was a few hours away from LA, then teams had to drive to the Temple and then to LAX.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 19, 2011, 05:33:57 AM
I'll speculate. :lol: NOTE: THIS IS JUST AN EDUCATED HUNCH BASED ON SPOILERS NOW GIVEN, :angel: DO NOT CONSIDER THIS AS A REAL SPOILER.

FIRST TASK: Drive to Hsi Lai Buddhist Temple (of course, teams will be shocked that they thought the race is in US)
- It will be much more fun if they are only given a picture for reference. :lol: But that would be too sadistic. :lol:

SECOND TASK: The Hsi Lai Temple is affiliated with one of _______ (country) largest religious orgs. That country will be your first destination.
- I wish there is a get a departure time task in the Hsi Lai Temple. :lol:

THIRD TASK: Drive yourselves to LAX and fly to Taiwan!

Your list looks right from the information we have. One thing that bothers me is why they had a big flashy attention attracting bus that says
                                                          AMAZING RACE
in front of the Hsi Lai Temple when the teams drove themselves from the starting location to the temple. They apparently didn't use the bus to move the teams except maybe to the start location. So why attract attention by having it at the site of the first task? It doesn't make sense to me.

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on June 19, 2011, 05:38:39 AM
Hmmmm.... IDK too. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Coutzy on June 19, 2011, 05:59:34 AM
I'll speculate. :lol: NOTE: THIS IS JUST AN EDUCATED HUNCH BASED ON SPOILERS NOW GIVEN, :angel: DO NOT CONSIDER THIS AS A REAL SPOILER.

FIRST TASK: Drive to Hsi Lai Buddhist Temple (of course, teams will be shocked that they thought the race is in US)
- It will be much more fun if they are only given a picture for reference. :lol: But that would be too sadistic. :lol:

SECOND TASK: The Hsi Lai Temple is affiliated with one of _______ (country) largest religious orgs. That country will be your first destination.
- I wish there is a get a departure time task in the Hsi Lai Temple. :lol:

THIRD TASK: Drive yourselves to LAX and fly to Taiwan!

Your list looks right from the information we have. One thing that bothers me is why they had a big flashy attention attracting bus that says
                                                          AMAZING RACE
in front of the Hsi Lai Temple when the teams drove themselves from the starting location to the temple. They apparently didn't use the bus to move the teams except maybe to the start location. So why attract attention by having it at the site of the first task? It doesn't make sense to me.



Easy way to move a lot of production people? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 19, 2011, 06:09:32 AM
I'll speculate. :lol: NOTE: THIS IS JUST AN EDUCATED HUNCH BASED ON SPOILERS NOW GIVEN, :angel: DO NOT CONSIDER THIS AS A REAL SPOILER.

FIRST TASK: Drive to Hsi Lai Buddhist Temple (of course, teams will be shocked that they thought the race is in US)
- It will be much more fun if they are only given a picture for reference. :lol: But that would be too sadistic. :lol:

SECOND TASK: The Hsi Lai Temple is affiliated with one of _______ (country) largest religious orgs. That country will be your first destination.
- I wish there is a get a departure time task in the Hsi Lai Temple. :lol:

THIRD TASK: Drive yourselves to LAX and fly to Taiwan!

Your list looks right from the information we have. One thing that bothers me is why they had a big flashy attention attracting bus that says
                                                          AMAZING RACE
in front of the Hsi Lai Temple when the teams drove themselves from the starting location to the temple. They apparently didn't use the bus to move the teams except maybe to the start location. So why attract attention by having it at the site of the first task? It doesn't make sense to me.



Easy way to move a lot of production people? :duno:

Could be, but would they take the chance of having a couple of teams arrive ahead of the production people? I'd think they would have one crew at Pt. Mugu while another crew would be at the Temple getting ready. Perhaps keeping costs down made one crew necessary.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on June 19, 2011, 06:44:40 AM
I have researched airlines by Terminal at LAX and both China Airlines and EVA leave from the Tom Bradley International Terminal. That doubtless assisted Chateau D'If in not forcing him to switch terminals to see each of the teams.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: dojima on June 19, 2011, 07:05:21 AM
Any chance they could be heading to somewhere else in Taiwan other than Taipei? They arrive at nighttime, meaning they may do the whole stay-over-night-and-take-a-train. I'm betting on possibly Kaohsiung in south Taiwan:

(http://www.cfsb.com.tw/img/fireworks%20img/kaohsiung/kaohsiung.jpg)

It's in a middle of a huge modern day makeover and has a huge port that could be used for challenges.



or Hualien (known for its beautiful East coast and Taroko Gorge).

(http://adopttaiwan.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/east-coast.jpg?w=500)

(http://www.happytellus.com/img/taroko-gorge/taroko-gorge_5508.jpg)

(http://cache.virtualtourist.com/1104553-Winding_road_in_Taroko_National_Park-Taroko_Gorge.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 19, 2011, 07:18:54 AM
So that original Temple Tweet I found was real?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on June 19, 2011, 07:19:56 AM
Oh, so the rumored leaked list of tasks in Taiwan (e.g. the dragon boat) is true? There's only one way to find out... by waiting! :lol:

As usual, good job detectives. :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 19, 2011, 07:31:02 AM
If they don't use that it will be one of the oddest coincidences ever.  :lol:

Big congrats to whoever dug that up a few weeks ago!  :<3
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 19, 2011, 09:50:43 AM
Oh, so the rumored leaked list of tasks in Taiwan (e.g. the dragon boat) is true? There's only one way to find out... by waiting! :lol:

As usual, good job detectives. :)

What rumored list?

Correct me if i am wrong, but this is the first time in a long time that we start in Asia first.  i am so accustomed to asia being near the end of the race! this is awesome.

Actually, Asia was the second leg last season and The Amazing Race 15 started in Asia.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: eddiethejet on June 19, 2011, 09:51:31 AM
Correct me if i am wrong, but this is the first time in a long time that we start in Asia first.  i am so accustomed to asia being near the end of the race! this is awesome.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 19, 2011, 09:59:39 AM
Correct me if i am wrong, but this is the first time in a long time that we start in Asia first.  i am so accustomed to asia being near the end of the race! this is awesome.

Look one comment above I posted that from your earlier post. Was there some sort of challenge at the temple??
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: AmazingRace on June 19, 2011, 10:02:45 AM
Correct me if i am wrong, but this is the first time in a long time that we start in Asia first.  i am so accustomed to asia being near the end of the race! this is awesome.

The last time was in Season 15 (Japan).
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: kenchan on June 19, 2011, 11:09:43 AM
Correct me if i am wrong, but this is the first time in a long time that we start in Asia first.  i am so accustomed to asia being near the end of the race! this is awesome.

Let's see, west bound starts include:

* TAR10: Seattle --> Beijing
* TAR15: LA --> Tokyo (on the Wasabi Tour)
* TAR18: LA --> Sydney

and now this.

There are a handful of south bound starts:
* TAR2: Brazil
* TAR3: Mexico
* TAR5: Uruguay
* TAR7: Peru
* TAR9: Brazil
* TAR11: Ecuador
* TAR13: Brazil
* TAR16: Chile

I personally think going west bound is the easiest from the jet lag point of view - as long as you can sleep on an airplane. Especially with this flight that is in the air right now, they get their sleep, they land, and it's morning.


And by the way, GREAT WORK, Chateau!  :hearts:

(and at least I can say that I participated in the "process of elimination" - no pun intended!  :knuckles:)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: kenchan on June 19, 2011, 11:32:10 AM
So, let's see - Phil, his camera man, and Barry the sound guy are presumably on one of the flights with the teams, correct? When they land, I presume that Phil will shoot the explanations at the locations in a different order than how the clues are written?  (I remember reading somewhere in the past that the logistics of these locations are chosen such that Phil and his crew get a time advantage.)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on June 19, 2011, 12:00:37 PM
So, let's see - Phil, his camera man, and Barry the sound guy are presumably on one of the flights with the teams, correct? When they land, I presume that Phil will shoot the explanations at the locations in a different order than how the clues are written?  (I remember reading somewhere in the past that the logistics of these locations are chosen such that Phil and his crew get a time advantage.)

I believe Phil and Barry did get an advantage and were not on any of the 3 flights. To do that Barry and Phil had to get:

BR11 LAX TPE 1715 2200+1
or
UA697 LAX SFO 2200 2359 connecting with CI003 SFO TPE 0105+1 0530+1
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 19, 2011, 12:22:50 PM
Regarding that person whose tweet stated that the tweeter was headed to Vietnam- Do we know if all of the flights are non-stop to Teipei? It could be that if there's a stop along the way, that tweeter changes flights at the connection hub, and our teams continue on their own flights.  That would eliminate any confusion. Also IIRC, the last time teams were in Taiwan, the teams then went on to Vietnam as the next country after finishing in Taiwan.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 19, 2011, 12:32:56 PM
I though so too but the three flights they are believed to be on are non stop from LAX to TPE.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 19, 2011, 12:37:45 PM
Regarding that person whose tweet stated that the tweeter was headed to Vietnam- Do we know if all of the flights are non-stop to Teipei? It could be that if there's a stop along the way, that tweeter changes flights at the connection hub, and our teams continue on their own flights.  That would eliminate any confusion. Also IIRC, the last time teams were in Taiwan, the teams then went on to Vietnam as the next country after finishing in Taiwan.

I believe teams went actually to Japan.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tdeathgem on June 19, 2011, 12:55:24 PM
I'll speculate. :lol: NOTE: THIS IS JUST AN EDUCATED HUNCH BASED ON SPOILERS NOW GIVEN, :angel: DO NOT CONSIDER THIS AS A REAL SPOILER.

FIRST TASK: Drive to Hsi Lai Buddhist Temple (of course, teams will be shocked that they thought the race is in US)
- It will be much more fun if they are only given a picture for reference. :lol: But that would be too sadistic. :lol:

SECOND TASK: The Hsi Lai Temple is affiliated with one of _______ (country) largest religious orgs. That country will be your first destination.
- I wish there is a get a departure time task in the Hsi Lai Temple. :lol:

THIRD TASK: Drive yourselves to LAX and fly to Taiwan!

Your list looks right from the information we have. One thing that bothers me is why they had a big flashy attention attracting bus that says
                                                          AMAZING RACE
in front of the Hsi Lai Temple when the teams drove themselves from the starting location to the temple. They apparently didn't use the bus to move the teams except maybe to the start location. So why attract attention by having it at the site of the first task? It doesn't make sense to me.



Easy way to move a lot of production people? :duno:

Could be, but would they take the chance of having a couple of teams arrive ahead of the production people? I'd think they would have one crew at Pt. Mugu while another crew would be at the Temple getting ready. Perhaps keeping costs down made one crew necessary.

Maybe they are trying to through us off as far as locations...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Mug Costanza on June 19, 2011, 01:03:46 PM
Regarding that person whose tweet stated that the tweeter was headed to Vietnam- Do we know if all of the flights are non-stop to Teipei? It could be that if there's a stop along the way, that tweeter changes flights at the connection hub, and our teams continue on their own flights.  That would eliminate any confusion. Also IIRC, the last time teams were in Taiwan, the teams then went on to Vietnam as the next country after finishing in Taiwan.

I believe teams went actually to Japan.

It was TAR 12, and they went from Japan to Taiwan to the USA. Taiwan was the F4 elimination point (Nate & Jen).
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 19, 2011, 01:10:42 PM
I really want to know who this 11th team to arrive was...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kacper on June 19, 2011, 01:20:53 PM
I really want to know who this 11th team to arrive was...

Me too. I hope they are not out already and that they are the "small people"
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 19, 2011, 01:28:40 PM
I really want to know who this 11th team to arrive was...

Me too. I hope they are not out already and that they are the "small people"


Oh please. Small people were from the totally false Jared spoilers.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 19, 2011, 01:29:31 PM
I ain't too happy with this Jared kid right now.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: kenchan on June 19, 2011, 01:32:18 PM
So, let's see - Phil, his camera man, and Barry the sound guy are presumably on one of the flights with the teams, correct? When they land, I presume that Phil will shoot the explanations at the locations in a different order than how the clues are written?  (I remember reading somewhere in the past that the logistics of these locations are chosen such that Phil and his crew get a time advantage.)

I believe Phil and Barry did get an advantage and were not on any of the 3 flights. To do that Barry and Phil had to get:

BR11 LAX TPE 1715 2200+1
or
UA697 LAX SFO 2200 2359 connecting with CI003 0105+1 0530+1


I think you read my mind - it would really be cool to get live sightings of Phil during the race...!  Has that ever happened before?  I am wondering if Chateau's pictures of Phil doing his sequence was one of the first? Or did coutzy manage that feat in TAR18?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 19, 2011, 01:59:07 PM
I went back and checked, and I was thinking of TAR 15. When the teams went to Japan, there was speculation that they would then go to Taiwan, and then Vietnam, and there was some research that showed that there were flights from Taiwan to Vietnam. It didn't materialize, but my point today was that the one tweeter could legitimately be headed to Vietnam, and be on a flight with this season's new Racers.

That said, Phil has been spotted during the Race a few times, including at pitstops, during these last couple of seasons (Sydney, for one), but one spotting of Phil outside a pit stop that I can think of offhand was in the Penang airport in TAR 16. As I recall, that tipped off the Penang and Singapore legs during filming, as the Race had dropped out of sight. (Seychelles, anyone?)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 19, 2011, 02:14:59 PM
I ain't too happy with this Jared kid right now.

He had me fooled too.  But he was very good, maybe production hired him to keep us off the trail.  :duno: :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 19, 2011, 02:23:32 PM
Anxiously waiting for the timeline thread!!  :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 19, 2011, 02:32:57 PM
Could it be possibly after Taiwan, the race would visit Palau on Leg 2.  I really like to see a new Pacific Island nation visited.  China Airlines flies there and looking online at their site, There is one flight leaving Taipei for Palau at 1:00pm (Taiwan Time) and arrives in Palau at 6:00pm (Palau Time) on the 21st which is Tuesday (Monday 20th here in the US) China Airlines Flight#0028.  But this is my own speculation and theory due to Palau being in that certain area, especially almost being near the Philippines and Taiwan after all.   :carryon:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Drake on June 19, 2011, 02:35:37 PM
Could it be possibly after Taiwan, the race would visit Palau on Leg 2.  I really like to see a new Pacific Island nation visited.  China Airlines flies there and looking online at their site, There is one flight leaving Taipei for Palau at 1:00pm (Taiwan Time) and arrives in Palau at 6:00pm (Palau Time) on the 21st which is Tuesday (Monday 20th here in the US) China Airlines Flight#0028.  But this is my own speculation and theory due to Palau being in that certain area, especially almost being near the Philippines and Taiwan after all.   :carryon:

Palau - good idea.
I like to see teams in Palau or Vanuatu  :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 19, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
So if the following are considered the easiest flight options, some speculation:

Hong kong, maybe but it is the rainy season
Japan, no way
Malaysia, I think this is the best choice here
Vietnam, seems over used
the Philippines, they never go there
Singapore, wouldn't mind seeing it again (mostly because half of RFF lives there :lol:)


Of course I would love somewhere off the beaten path :) Probably have to connect thru HKG to get anywhere different though.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 19, 2011, 02:38:30 PM
Assuming teams are headed of the country next leg that means they would likely leave around the morning of June 21. By doing a quick search a majority of flights will head to either Hong kong, Japan, Malaysia, the Philippines or Singapore. There are a couple of flights to Rome but I doubt they would do a huge jump.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Mandoli on June 19, 2011, 03:16:13 PM
Assuming teams are headed of the country next leg that means they would likely leave around the morning of June 21. By doing a quick search a majority of flights will head to either Hong kong, Japan, Malaysia, the Philippines or Singapore. There are a couple of flights to Rome but I doubt they would do a huge jump.

Speculation: You're going to get at least two or three legs in Asia before they move westward to Europe or Africa.

Question: Where's the winter temperature-like location going to be? I know it's a summer route, but they seem to always find a place that's cold in the northern hemisphere summer (and vice versa in a winter taping).
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Heliox on June 19, 2011, 05:03:08 PM
@RyanStorms had these two tweets

So ask me why I was at the gas station & I was filmed for the #AmazingRace they asked me how to get to LAX #LookForMeOnTV haha
58 minutes ago

So #TheLife gets crazier so after being randomly filmed for the amazing race I see that one of them dropped there passport!!
13 minutes ago
I don't know where to bring this up, but does this possible sighting still hold water given the timeline to LAX now? Anyone able trying to confirm any more information?
The dropped passport seems almost too extreme and probably make-believe by somebody. But at the same time isn't there a team missing from the airport pictures? Maybe they were backtracking to find their passport and arrived late?

also an editorial note, this site is much easier to read with the new formating of the quotes. THANK YOU
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 19, 2011, 05:04:50 PM
We believe Chateau missed a team at the airport, all 11 were there...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on June 19, 2011, 07:38:04 PM
With teams traveling to The Shibuya of Taipei I would suspect that the task there is some sort of search task
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on June 19, 2011, 08:23:01 PM
We believe Chateau missed a team at the airport, all 11 were there...

I concur  :)

I needed to check a second location (the MH95 flight) so I may have missed them going by.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on June 19, 2011, 09:06:37 PM
Quote
As I recall, that tipped off the Penang and Singapore legs during filming

 :'(

If you ask me, the only places I want to see TAR 19 visiting after Taiwan would be The Philippines, Bhutan and Indonesia. They visited Taiwan in Season 12 once and I definitely don't mind seeing them there again.

But if they fly to Hong Kong next, I'll scream. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 19, 2011, 09:22:16 PM
Route:
Ximen Ting-Confucian temple-Taipei living mall-Dajia Riverside Park-Martyrs' shrine (PS)

Do you have an exact time when teams checked in??

Got this info on PTT,he post this at 9:49am(local time).

If believe the next leg will start around 9:49 pm then? (June 20) SO lets search flights between 9:30 - until airport stops until the sunrise.  (Of course they could do a second leg in Taiwan).

So by doing a quick search there are only three destinations that make could be visited next that makes sense: Kaohsiung (in the south of Taiwan), Hong Kong and Manila. Others make no sense at all such as SF and Amsterdam. The limited destinations makes me think a second leg in Taiwan.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 19, 2011, 09:24:47 PM


If believe the next leg will start around 9:49 pm then? (June 20) SO lets search flights between 9:30 - until airport stops until the sunrise.  (Of course they could do a second leg in Taiwan).

So by doing a quick search there are only three destinations that make could be visited next that makes sense: Kaohsiung (in the south of Taiwan), Hong Kong and Manila. Others make no sense at all such as SF and Amsterdam. The limited destinations makes me think a second leg in Taiwan.

looked like they don't set 12hrs pitstop recently season...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 19, 2011, 09:28:59 PM


If believe the next leg will start around 9:49 pm then? (June 20) SO lets search flights between 9:30 - until airport stops until the sunrise.  (Of course they could do a second leg in Taiwan).

So by doing a quick search there are only three destinations that make could be visited next that makes sense: Kaohsiung (in the south of Taiwan), Hong Kong and Manila. Others make no sense at all such as SF and Amsterdam. The limited destinations makes me think a second leg in Taiwan.

looked like they don't set 12hrs pitstop recently season...

You are probably right the producers will likely extend it to a 18-24 hour pitstop so teams start in the morning.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on June 19, 2011, 09:48:29 PM
If believe the next leg will start around 9:49 pm then? (June 20) SO lets search flights between 9:30 - until airport stops until the sunrise.  (Of course they could do a second leg in Taiwan).

So by doing a quick search there are only three destinations that make could be visited next that makes sense: Kaohsiung (in the south of Taiwan), Hong Kong and Manila. Others make no sense at all such as SF and Amsterdam. The limited destinations makes me think a second leg in Taiwan.

I think this reasoning is a bit limited. Those may be the only places where one can fly to nonstop starting in that time frame, but connecting in Hong Kong opens a huge number of possibilities and connecting in Manila opens several too.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 19, 2011, 09:54:12 PM
If believe the next leg will start around 9:49 pm then? (June 20) SO lets search flights between 9:30 - until airport stops until the sunrise.  (Of course they could do a second leg in Taiwan).

So by doing a quick search there are only three destinations that make could be visited next that makes sense: Kaohsiung (in the south of Taiwan), Hong Kong and Manila. Others make no sense at all such as SF and Amsterdam. The limited destinations makes me think a second leg in Taiwan.

I think this reasoning is a bit limited. Those may be the only places where one can fly to nonstop starting in that time frame, but connecting in Hong Kong opens a huge number of possibilities and connecting in Manila opens several too.

Its good to know where they are headed even if its a stopover  :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on June 19, 2011, 09:55:01 PM
If believe the next leg will start around 9:49 pm then? (June 20) SO lets search flights between 9:30 - until airport stops until the sunrise.  (Of course they could do a second leg in Taiwan).

So by doing a quick search there are only three destinations that make could be visited next that makes sense: Kaohsiung (in the south of Taiwan), Hong Kong and Manila. Others make no sense at all such as SF and Amsterdam. The limited destinations makes me think a second leg in Taiwan.

I think this reasoning is a bit limited. Those may be the only places where one can fly to nonstop starting in that time frame, but connecting in Hong Kong opens a huge number of possibilities and connecting in Manila opens several too.

Taiwan's International Airport flies to just about as many places in the world with their own Airlines such as EVA Airways and all the China International Airlines. Cathay Pacific is there as well.

I have to say after Taiwan, it can be anywhere. But I am more incline to say Southeast Asia, definitely.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Zack. on June 19, 2011, 10:20:43 PM
The following is SPECULATION and should not be treated as fact.  :tup: It also gets a bit convoluted, so strap in!

It seems that WRP has several 'tiers' of countries that they visit for each race in Southeast/Central Asia:

I - China / India
II - Japan / Thailand
III - Malaysia / Vietnam
IV - South Korea / Singapore / Cambodia
V - Mongolia / Sri Lanka / Philippines / Bangladesh / Taiwan (which moves up the ranks as of now)
unvisited countries - Laos / Bhutan / Nepal / Timor / Indonesia / central Asian countries

Generally they'll pick from 3 tiers (17 hit 1, 4, 5, 16 hit 1, 3, 4, 15 hit 2, 3, 4 etc.). 18 I suspect had locations chosen due to how they would render in HD, and 14 had locations chosen for ease in production matters. Anyway, the pattern seems to be 1 country in an upper tier, 2 countries in a lower tier, so since we've hit Taiwan, I'd hazard a guess that we're due for {Malaysia/Vietnam}, maybe Thailand, and maybe a new country in the next few legs. Given a) the overload of China in the past 3 races (5 legs in Chinese-based countries/territories) and b) the visit to Taiwan, I'd say China is unlikely.

I'd also not rule out the possibility of another leg in Taiwan!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mds1978 on June 19, 2011, 10:30:05 PM
As someone who lives in LA and flies to Asia often, I know that when you're flying out of LAX there aren't that many international gateways, and every night there are at least four jumbo jets that fly to Taipei (they all depart around midnight-1 am), and this allows for tons of connections within two hours of arriving in Taipei, so it's very likely that this is just the gateway city through which the teams connect to their next flight, which could literally be anywhere in Southeast Asia, the south pacific, or china. The only cities where it wouldn't make sense to go through Taipei would be Tokyo, Shanghai, Beijing, Bangkok, or Seoul, plus a few others, because they have direct flights.

However, a Taipei leg makes complete sense logistically because those midnight flights all arrive at around 6am, giving them a full day to race. Plus it would allow them to tie it in with the task they did in LA, like if they were given an object at the temple that somehow relates to the roadblock, like the way teams got a package of tea in china last season that became the theme of the next roadblock in Kolkata.

Very exciting to have the race going on now! Time to marvel at the detective work...hope we get a lot of spoilers this time!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 19, 2011, 10:57:19 PM
Any description of teams checked-in based on photos in Contestant thread?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 19, 2011, 11:00:54 PM
Let's give them a chance guys, they are busy right now. Be patient.... :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: eddiethejet on June 19, 2011, 11:04:43 PM
From FB:

Looks like I'm flying to Vietnam with the new season of Amazing race!
8 minutes ago via iPhone · ·

Wait. What? Really? When? I will check it out soon! I'm living in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam!  :hearts:

The VietNam spoiler is an error I believe by the poster... one of the flights is a codeshare VietNam airlines flight, I think that is all. They were not flying to VietNam at all, they were going to Taipei.

Please reread the comment...there is NO evidence for VIETNAM AT ALL!!!

i clicked into the poster's fb profile and she had a status that said "vietnam in a month!!"
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 19, 2011, 11:59:00 PM
I ain't too happy with this Jared kid right now.

He had me fooled too.  But he was very good, maybe production hired him to keep us off the trail.  :duno: :lol3:

We had a pretty good hoaxer when TAR 17 was in England at Stonehenge but the details of his tweets eventually began to conflict and we figured him out. This guy yesterday was better.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 20, 2011, 12:04:44 AM
I went back and checked, and I was thinking of TAR 15. When the teams went to Japan, there was speculation that they would then go to Taiwan, and then Vietnam, and there was some research that showed that there were flights from Taiwan to Vietnam. It didn't materialize, but my point today was that the one tweeter could legitimately be headed to Vietnam, and be on a flight with this season's new Racers.

That said, Phil has been spotted during the Race a few times, including at pitstops, during these last couple of seasons (Sydney, for one), but one spotting of Phil outside a pit stop that I can think of offhand was in the Penang airport in TAR 16. As I recall, that tipped off the Penang and Singapore legs during filming, as the Race had dropped out of sight. (Seychelles, anyone?)

Back in TAR 15, we had a vacationing woman from Australia that spotted the teams in Vietnam and then a day or two later ran across Phil in a restaurant/bar in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. I believe that tipped off both legs for us. Quite a coincidence, but it happened.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on June 20, 2011, 01:39:54 AM
Back in TAR 15, we had a vacationing woman from Australia that spotted the teams in Vietnam and then a day or two later ran across Phil in a restaurant/bar in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. I believe that tipped off both legs for us. Quite a coincidence, but it happened.

That was a crazy headache. I remembered some of us were skeptical of it.. too much of a coincidence. But lucky Australian woman, I say! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 20, 2011, 01:56:26 AM
Back to TAR 19??
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Parovic on June 20, 2011, 02:39:31 AM
I have just looked up the flight departures in Taipei Taoyuan Int'l airport
There is the possibility of the teams go to Manila  at 9:35 which is already left in the morning of 20th june
For the 19th, after 10p.m. ,i have searched that all flights that go to LAX ,and the european countries
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: AmazingRace on June 20, 2011, 05:44:37 AM
PTT info:
old couple last arrive!
NEL!
Speedbump next leg!

And...
Next leg!
the first time in the history of the Amazing Race,

there will be a DOUBLE ELIMINATION!!!!

I believe this Double Elimination would be different from the one we had in TAR 10? So it is two teams eliminated on the same mat?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on June 20, 2011, 05:47:25 AM
Yes, meaning the last 2 teams who check-in will be eliminated. I believe.

If the old couple survived next leg, they will jump up from 11th place to 9th place instantly. Pretty screwed up.. but that's the game. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: KingCrimson88 on June 20, 2011, 07:36:39 AM
I gotta say, this double elim stuff, if true, sounds like the worst thing TAR has ever done, after the TAR family edition of course.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 20, 2011, 08:01:33 AM
I have a very tenuous clue that the next location (or the one after that) may be Port Moresby in Papua New Guinea.
There are no direct flights that I can see from Taiwan to PNG, but there are plenty of connections using combinations of Hong Kong, Singapore, Manila, Sidney, Brisbane and Cairns.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ariachiang on June 20, 2011, 08:08:45 AM
Just got the tip from someone who saw the rundown about the Next Country.

It's new for TAR(US)-Indonesia

and the possible fly maybe GA9981/CI761(0845) BR237(0900) or CI679(1350)

Hoping it's right.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: krabbe on June 20, 2011, 08:29:02 AM
Yesssssssss!! I hope this is true!
Is it possible that Jakarta is just a layover before Denpasar (Bali)?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 20, 2011, 08:40:21 AM
What's the clue for Port Moresby?

And what's the rundown, do the production people have it written down somewhere then?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 20, 2011, 08:49:18 AM
What's the clue for Port Moresby?

And what's the rundown, do the production people have it written down somewhere then?

The rundown was on Phil's hand("1902 open"),next country is Indonesia.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kamineko on June 20, 2011, 08:57:12 AM
What's the clue for Port Moresby?

And what's the rundown, do the production people have it written down somewhere then?

The rundown was on Phil's hand("1902 open"),next country is Indonesia.

OH MY GOSH!!! Seriously??!!!!
FINALLY!!!!! :yess:  :yess:  :yess:
Btw, what is the meaning of the rundown???
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 20, 2011, 08:58:34 AM
Who wants to bet its Bali >> Lombok and we have the same tasks as Oz and Asia?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prama on June 20, 2011, 09:03:04 AM
Who wants to bet its Bali >> Lombok and we have the same tasks as Oz and Asia?

I bet it will be Jakarta... but if it is not, please.. go anywhere except Bali and Lombok... :lol:
Indonesia is damn huge  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on June 20, 2011, 09:06:45 AM
Who wants to bet its Bali >> Lombok and we have the same tasks as Oz and Asia?

I bet it will be Jakarta... but if it is not, please.. go anywhere except Bali and Lombok... :lol:
Indonesia is damn huge  :lol:

I would guess they'll have two legs in Indonesia: one in Jakarta, one at Bali/Lombok
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kamineko on June 20, 2011, 09:10:23 AM
Who wants to bet its Bali >> Lombok and we have the same tasks as Oz and Asia?

I bet it will be Jakarta... but if it is not, please.. go anywhere except Bali and Lombok... :lol:
Indonesia is damn huge  :lol:

Actually, Jakarta is going to celebrate its 484th birthday on June 22nd...
So, there is a chance they're going to Jakarta on that day...
It's just my speculation...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prama on June 20, 2011, 09:13:22 AM
Who wants to bet its Bali >> Lombok and we have the same tasks as Oz and Asia?

I bet it will be Jakarta... but if it is not, please.. go anywhere except Bali and Lombok... :lol:
Indonesia is damn huge  :lol:

Actually, Jakarta is going to celebrate its 484th birthday on June 22nd...
So, there is a chance they're going to Jakarta on that day...
It's just my speculation...

Yeah I know, I'm Indonesian too anyway  :waves:

I really hope they will go to PRJ (Jakarta Fair).. and maybe they have to do some tasks there, like making a "kerak telor" or dress up like an "ondel-ondel" ... It would be really fun to watch!!  :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kamineko on June 20, 2011, 09:16:25 AM
Who wants to bet its Bali >> Lombok and we have the same tasks as Oz and Asia?

I bet it will be Jakarta... but if it is not, please.. go anywhere except Bali and Lombok... :lol:
Indonesia is damn huge  :lol:

Actually, Jakarta is going to celebrate its 484th birthday on June 22nd...
So, there is a chance they're going to Jakarta on that day...
It's just my speculation...

Yeah I know, I'm Indonesian too anyway  :waves:

I really hope they will go to PRJ (Jakarta Fair).. and maybe they have to do some tasks there, like making a "kerak telor" or dress up like an "ondel-ondel" ... It would be really fun to watch!!  :lol3:

Ondel-ondel is a possible task...  :lol3:

Don't forget, there are many destinations other than Jakarta, Bali, and Lombok..
Like Bandung, Yogyakarta, Manado (Bunaken), etc.  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 20, 2011, 09:24:04 AM

Don't forget there are many destinations other than Jakarta, Bali, and Lombok..
Like Bandung, Yogyakarta, Manado (Bunaken), etc.

got it...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Guylevesque on June 20, 2011, 09:35:37 AM
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Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 20, 2011, 09:38:10 AM
i just saw a tweet from Ahmed Buyah that the teams at the Vihara Dharma Bhakti

I believe that is probably not true  as teams are still believed to be in Taipei, not Jakarta.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: calphin on June 20, 2011, 09:53:28 AM
Oh my God... If TAR is actually coming to Jakarta, I will really try to follow them!  :lol:
It's still my holiday and I got nothing to do now.  :snicker:

For the tasks, I doubt they're going to copy the same tasks, AGAIN.
I was really shocked when TAR-Aus kinda have the same tasks of TARA.
TAR won't do the same!

Oh yeah, nowadays is a "PRJ" period Prama! That would be a perfect place for tasks representing Indonesia!
Here's REALLY hoping for TAR-US finally come to Indonesia...
*cross my fingers in excitement*
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on June 20, 2011, 10:05:26 AM
I have examined flight possibilities from Taipei to Jakarta. There are 2 excellent nonstop flights available if there was some amount of extended pit stop (which I consider likely):

CI761 (code-share GA9981) 0845 1300

BR237 0900 1310

Note: I will post the same information in the Transportation thread.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Obbyz on June 20, 2011, 10:07:09 AM
Oh my God... If TAR is actually coming to Jakarta, I will really try to follow them!  :lol:
It's still my holiday and I got nothing to do now.  :snicker:

For the tasks, I doubt they're going to copy the same tasks, AGAIN.
I was really shocked when TAR-Aus kinda have the same tasks of TARA.
TAR won't do the same!

Oh yeah, nowadays is a "PRJ" period Prama! That would be a perfect place for tasks representing Indonesia!
Here's REALLY hoping for TAR-US finally come to Indonesia...
*cross my fingers in excitement*

And I'm hoping they visit Bandung too so I can follow them too :) maybe they wanna visit the newest indoor them park in here :)

And if they come next week it's gonna be perfect because I'll be on Jakarta International Airport on Sunday :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kamineko on June 20, 2011, 10:30:01 AM
Oh my God... If TAR is actually coming to Jakarta, I will really try to follow them!  :lol:
It's still my holiday and I got nothing to do now.  :snicker:

For the tasks, I doubt they're going to copy the same tasks, AGAIN.
I was really shocked when TAR-Aus kinda have the same tasks of TARA.
TAR won't do the same!

Oh yeah, nowadays is a "PRJ" period Prama! That would be a perfect place for tasks representing Indonesia!
Here's REALLY hoping for TAR-US finally come to Indonesia...
*cross my fingers in excitement*

And I'm hoping they visit Bandung too so I can follow them too :) maybe they wanna visit the newest indoor them park in here :)

And if they come next week it's gonna be perfect because I'll be on Jakarta International Airport on Sunday :)

maybe not, the indoor theme park in Bandung has just opened, so it's really crowded and it's just like ordinary theme park...
maybe they'll going to Tangkuban Parahu... :)
or maybe they'll perform angklung themed task in Bandung... :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on June 20, 2011, 10:46:16 AM
INDONESIA!!!

 :wohoo: :wohoo: :wohoo: :wohoo: :wohoo: :wohoo:

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 20, 2011, 11:00:34 AM
Double Emilination may imply only 11 legs this season? :'(
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 20, 2011, 11:03:36 AM
Double Emilination may imply only 11 legs this season? :'(

They can always add an extra non-elimination point. I am thinking they are eliminating two teams, to save costs (so teams might be headed far from Indonesia next **Pure speculation at this point
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Obbyz on June 20, 2011, 11:04:05 AM
INDONESIA!!!

 :wohoo: :wohoo: :wohoo: :wohoo: :wohoo: :wohoo:

Finally Indonesia , and they will arrive at Jakarta tomorrow afternoon ( Jakarta Time ).
There are 4 stations in Jakarta ( Gambir , Pasar Senen , Kota & Jatinegara ) but only two of them have a train which will depart to Yogyakarta ( Gambir & Jatinegara ) I bet they will take a train from Gambir , here are train schedule from Jakarta to Yogyakarta from 2 train stations

(http://i54.[banned image hosting site].com/16c7spv.jpg)

(http://i55.[banned image hosting site].com/34px1uc.jpg)

There are 3 direct flights to Jakarta in the AM although also possible via HK and Singapore for example

CGK Jakarta CI 5855  China Airlines 8:05 AM 
CGK Jakarta CI 761  China Airlines 8:45 AM   
CGK Jakarta BR 237  EVA Air 9:00 AM

If they take this flight to Jakarta , Indonesia the possible train to Yogyakarta are

*From Gambir*
1. 40008 Argolawu
Depart : 20:00 Arrived : 03.38
2. 10034 Bima
Depart : 17:00 Arrived : 00:42
3. 10042 Taksaka_2
Depart : 20.45 Arrived : 04.30

*From Jatinegara*
1. 40106 Senja.Utm.Solo
Depart : 20.27 Arrived : 05.12
2. 10110 Senja.Utm.YK
Depart : 19.42 Arrived : 04.10
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 20, 2011, 11:09:10 AM
More speculation: I believe there will be a second leg in Indonesia or if there isn't teams are likely headed to Kuala Lumpur/Singapore (because the airport in Yogyakarta has international flights to that destination).

However, W/P has some evidence to suggest another destination besides K/L or Singapore so most likely the third leg will be in a large urban center in Indonesia with flights to that destination (which will remain hidden).
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 20, 2011, 11:09:47 AM
Double Emilination may imply only 11 legs this season? :'(

They can always add an extra non-elimination point. I am thinking they are eliminating two teams, to save costs (so teams might be headed far from Indonesia next **Pure speculation at this point
or set a TBC leg...Pure speculation at this point
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 20, 2011, 11:10:22 AM
Double Emilination may imply only 11 legs this season? :'(

They can always add an extra non-elimination point. I am thinking they are eliminating two teams, to save costs (so teams might be headed far from Indonesia next **Pure speculation at this point
or set a TBC leg...Pure speculation at this point

Which is more likely at this point.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 20, 2011, 11:12:11 AM
Indonesia! I've been looking forward to seeing them go there some day.  :tup:

It'll also make following them more difficult because there are always numerous local Indonesian Amazing Race tweets from students. Ugh.  :(  Everyone should take that into account for posting them here.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: wangsacl on June 20, 2011, 11:13:44 AM
Maybe this will help for spotters in Soekarno-Hatta International Airport:

http://www.angkasapura2.co.id/cabang/flightschedarri.php?&page=4
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kamineko on June 20, 2011, 11:14:37 AM
More speculation: I believe there will be a second leg in Indonesia or of there isn't teams are likely headed to Kuala Lumpur/Singapore (because the airport in Yogyakarta has international flights to that destination).

However, W/P has some evidence to suggest another destination besides K/L or Singapore so most likely the third leg will be in a large urban center with flights to that destination (which will remain hidden).

Maybe they're going back to Jakarta? Or maybe they'll head to Bali???
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 20, 2011, 11:16:31 AM
Indonesia! :hearts: We have a lot of awesome Indonesians around here! :yess:

Go Calphin, Prama, Kameniko, Obby, and anyone else!!!! :wohoo:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 20, 2011, 11:17:15 AM
I don't think they do double emilination to save money if they won't cut a leg(it's much cheaper to emilinate 1 team at Taipei and another at Indonesia) ...But if only 2 NEL,it's too early for 1 coming out? ...maybe it's just for new twist?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Obbyz on June 20, 2011, 11:19:49 AM
More speculation: I believe there will be a second leg in Indonesia or of there isn't teams are likely headed to Kuala Lumpur/Singapore (because the airport in Yogyakarta has international flights to that destination).

However, W/P has some evidence to suggest another destination besides K/L or Singapore so most likely the third leg will be in a large urban center with flights to that destination (which will remain hidden).

Maybe they're going back to Jakarta? Or maybe they'll head to Bali???

Probably back to Jakarta / Denpasar .
Here is flight schedule from Adi Sucipto International Airport :
(http://i54.[banned image hosting site].com/2z87mmx.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 20, 2011, 11:21:35 AM
They will be taking a seven hour train ride from Jakarta to Yogykarta.
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25526.msg620026.html#msg620026
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 20, 2011, 11:24:53 AM
@Obby I doubt they would fly, because they are using train there. If they were doing the same route back why would they use a plane to get there?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: krabbe on June 20, 2011, 11:32:49 AM
I predict a double Indonesian leg, where from Yogya they take a very short plane ride to Denpasar. Pure speculation, of course  :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kamineko on June 20, 2011, 11:33:03 AM
It's just my speculation...

Judging from the train schedule, they are maybe taking Bima Train from Gambir because it departs at 05.00 PM, where teams are arriving at 01.00 PM...
And in Yogyakarta, because they're arriving in the midnight, they'll encounter an Hour of Operation there...

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kamineko on June 20, 2011, 11:33:58 AM
I predict a double Indonesian leg, where from Yogya they take a very short plane ride to Denpasar. Pure speculation, of course  :)

Why do they have to take a plane to Denpasar from Yogyakarta if there are so many flights from Jakarta?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Obbyz on June 20, 2011, 11:35:04 AM
@Obby I doubt they would fly, because they are using train there. If they were doing the same route back why would they use a plane to get there?

But it is possible that they take a flight to Jakarta or Denpasar or maybe international flight to Singapore / KL and they can't go to Denpasar with train.

and I'm just sharing my experience , taking a train to Yogyakarta is costing so much time + the train isn't very comfortable, sometime they can have a train without A/C and also full of people can you imagine how hot it will be ? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: wangsacl on June 20, 2011, 11:39:07 AM
@Obby I doubt they would fly, because they are using train there. If they were doing the same route back why would they use a plane to get there?

But it is possible that they take a flight to Jakarta or Denpasar or maybe international flight to Singapore / KL and they can't go to Denpasar with train.

and I'm just sharing my experience , taking a train to Yogyakarta is costing so much time + the train isn't very comfortable, sometime they can have a train without A/C and also full of people can you imagine how hot it will be ? :lol:

maybe they will compare it to india... hahaha.. anyway, any specs as for the pit stop in jogjakarta? Malioboro is overcrowded I think.. Maybe they'll go up to Kaliurang, or just stay within the city. The Keraton Yogyakarta is good.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 20, 2011, 11:41:10 AM
@Obby I doubt they would fly, because they are using train there. If they were doing the same route back why would they use a plane to get there?

But it is possible that they take a flight to Jakarta or Denpasar or maybe international flight to Singapore / KL and they can't go to Denpasar with train.

and I'm just sharing my experience , taking a train to Yogyakarta is costing so much time + the train isn't very comfortable, sometime they can have a train without A/C and also full of people can you imagine how hot it will be ? :lol:

I can't judge because I don't have personal experience but its odd they would use train there and then fly back. Obby are you saying there is a difference in time going from Y/karta to Jakarta?

Anyways lets hope they visit this place:

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kamineko on June 20, 2011, 11:41:31 AM
@Obby
I'm agree with you! Going back to Jkt from Yogya by train will take a longer time (except if they're told to do so)...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: yamiza on June 20, 2011, 11:41:50 AM
It's just my speculation...

Judging from the train schedule, they are maybe taking Bima Train from Gambir because it departs at 05.00 PM, where teams are arriving at 01.00 PM...
And in Yogyakarta, because they're arriving in the midnight, they'll encounter an Hour of Operation there...

From this information, kamineko, combined with wangsacl's schedule list...
Can we predict what flight will the teams use? Because in wangsacl's schedule list, there are two flights from Taipei, with different arrival gates.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: krabbe on June 20, 2011, 11:42:32 AM
The tricky part would be going to the right station so they can catch the 5 pm departure. I doubt many Indonesians they encounter at the plane or airport can tell them which station has the best departures to Yogya. Although luckily for them, Gambir is the most prominent station out of the two, so it's likely they're pointed into that direction.

Kamineko, I'm predicting a double leg: 1 in Yogya, then on to Bali for the next leg. So they do have to go to Yogya. From Bali there are more int'l destinations (or they can fly back to Jakarta). Again, this is pure speculation.

Jakartans, how many of you are going to follow the racers from SoeTa to Gambir? I'm afraid I have work tomorrow  :'( The first time they come to my hometown & I can't stalk them.  :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 20, 2011, 11:43:00 AM
Double Emilination may imply only 11 legs this season? :'(

I am Hearing that it may actually be Double U Turn not Double Elim but it remains unclear. Nothing is confirmed yet.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kamineko on June 20, 2011, 11:44:13 AM
@Obby I doubt they would fly, because they are using train there. If they were doing the same route back why would they use a plane to get there?

But it is possible that they take a flight to Jakarta or Denpasar or maybe international flight to Singapore / KL and they can't go to Denpasar with train.

and I'm just sharing my experience , taking a train to Yogyakarta is costing so much time + the train isn't very comfortable, sometime they can have a train without A/C and also full of people can you imagine how hot it will be ? :lol:

maybe they will compare it to india... hahaha.. anyway, any specs as for the pit stop in jogjakarta? Malioboro is overcrowded I think.. Maybe they'll go up to Kaliurang, or just stay within the city. The Keraton Yogyakarta is good.

Borobudur Temple or Prambanan Temple is a better choice maybe???
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 20, 2011, 11:45:32 AM
Double Emilination may imply only 11 legs this season? :'(

I am Hearing that it may actually be Double U Turn not Double Elim but it remains unclear. Nothing is confirmed yet.

That is more likely and more preferred by most of us!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: wangsacl on June 20, 2011, 11:46:25 AM
Damn i forgot about borobudur and prambanan =)) I believe borobudur is more plausible than prambanan.. Maybe keraton is too hard to be used as the pit stop (they'll have to be closed to the publics, I think)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: calphin on June 20, 2011, 11:47:01 AM
@Obby I doubt they would fly, because they are using train there. If they were doing the same route back why would they use a plane to get there?

But it is possible that they take a flight to Jakarta or Denpasar or maybe international flight to Singapore / KL and they can't go to Denpasar with train.

and I'm just sharing my experience , taking a train to Yogyakarta is costing so much time + the train isn't very comfortable, sometime they can have a train without A/C and also full of people can you imagine how hot it will be ? :lol:

maybe they will compare it to india... hahaha.. anyway, any specs as for the pit stop in jogjakarta? Malioboro is overcrowded I think.. Maybe they'll go up to Kaliurang, or just stay within the city. The Keraton Yogyakarta is good.

They may go to classic sites too : Prambanan or Borobudur. Even though that is too predictable to me, but don't scratch it out yet.
OMG so excited right now. Like a dream come true!

Jakartans, how many of you are going to follow the racers from SoeTa to Gambir? I'm afraid I have work tomorrow  :'( The first time they come to my hometown & I can't stalk them.  :groan:
For me, perhaps I'll go to Gambir. The airport's too far from me.  :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 20, 2011, 11:47:49 AM
NVM
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: krabbe on June 20, 2011, 11:49:43 AM
Ooh let's hope the pitstop is either at Borobudur or Prambanan.

The tasks may have something to do with: batik, silver workshop, walking between two trees blindfolded, becak (the Indonesian rickshaw), making/downing herbal tonic.
Places they may visit: the aforementioned temples, the chaotic Beringharjo market, the palace & its maze & tunnels.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: wangsacl on June 20, 2011, 11:50:25 AM
Do we have field detectives in Indonesia?
I believe we have a lot of Indonesians here, but I dunno about the detective. For me, I think I'm not be going to stalk them. But one thing, twitter is actually would be very reliable here. We have a lot of Indonesians tweeting, and possibly sightings will make The Amazing Race is trending in twitter (words spread out really fast).
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kamineko on June 20, 2011, 11:51:30 AM
Maybe it's off-topic, but i think they're going to do task related in Batik and wayang, too...

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 20, 2011, 11:52:49 AM
Do we have field detectives in Indonesia?

Lets drop that discussion now please.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kamineko on June 20, 2011, 11:55:39 AM
A new pit-stop location possibility???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taman_Sari_(Yogyakarta)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 20, 2011, 12:03:12 PM
Thanks to weihen:

Teams need to fly to Djakarta  then take a 7-hrs train to Yogyakarta,go to Bukit Indal to find their next clue.

Is this the right spelling? google suggest Indah instead of Indal. Anyways the closes "Bukit Indal" to Yogyakarta is about 2hours away close to the city of Semarang.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: calphin on June 20, 2011, 12:13:17 PM
If it is actually "Bukit Indah", the only thing I can find is : "Bukit Indah Restaurant & Hotel". It's in Wonosari, Yogyakarta.
But why should they go to hotel if it's not a PitStop?

Other possibility is "Bukit Bintang". It's kind of place that has quite a beautiful view.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: krabbe on June 20, 2011, 12:18:30 PM
From a website: Bukit Indah Restaurant & Hotel offers free unlimited panorama of Jogja city from the height of 150 meters. Candle light dinner in this restaurant will feel more romantic with the flickering city lamps from distance.

it's slightly out of the city center, on the way to Wonosari.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 20, 2011, 12:54:38 PM
I'm not going to comment on where in Indonesia they may be headed to, simply because I'm shocked that it has taken 19 seasons to get a leg in Indonesia at all. (Now I know TPTB wanted to avoid the country in the early seasons because of the possibility of terrorist attacks on westerners (such as in Bali a few years ago), but the same threat existed in the Phippines, and TAR has been there more than once.

As to why teams would take a hours-long train ride, that says to me that if nothing else production is using that time to get Phil, his crew and any other production executives traveling with the show this time ahead of the teams to film stand-ups and make sure everything is ready before the teams arrive. Production probably flew in from Jakarta, as well.

I'm just glad to see Indonesia finally get visited. Now if we could get Denmark (another country the show hasn't been to for no apparent reason) or Israel (which has been rumored more than once in the past). In one sentence, I am liking the way this season seems to be shaping up.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 20, 2011, 01:30:26 PM
Is the Pit Start over yet? Cause if the older couple was not there, they were probably eliminated and there *MIGHT* be a Double U-Turn on this leg, rather than a Double Elimination.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 20, 2011, 01:51:52 PM
Is the Pit Start over yet? Cause if the older couple was not there, they were probably eliminated and there *MIGHT* be a Double U-Turn on this leg, rather than a Double Elimination.

I would bet no one wanted to stick around until 4 Am to find out. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 20, 2011, 01:53:00 PM
Too true! :lol3: I guess we'll know sooner or later...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: caper on June 20, 2011, 01:56:16 PM
If it is actually "Bukit Indah", the only thing I can find is : "Bukit Indah Restaurant & Hotel". It's in Wonosari, Yogyakarta.
But why should they go to hotel if it's not a PitStop?

Other possibility is "Bukit Bintang". It's kind of place that has quite a beautiful view.

Maybe they have to eat something traditional to get next clue  :duno: The hotel does overlook Yogyakarta - looks like a great view and would look geat on camera!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 20, 2011, 01:57:34 PM
I'm not going to comment on where in Indonesia they may be headed to, simply because I'm shocked that it has taken 19 seasons to get a leg in Indonesia at all. (Now I know TPTB wanted to avoid the country in the early seasons because of the possibility of terrorist attacks on westerners (such as in Bali a few years ago), but the same threat existed in the Phippines, and TAR has been there more than once.

As to why teams would take a hours-long train ride, that says to me that if nothing else production is using that time to get Phil, his crew and any other production executives traveling with the show this time ahead of the teams to film stand-ups and make sure everything is ready before the teams arrive. Production probably flew in from Jakarta, as well.

I'm just glad to see Indonesia finally get visited. Now if we could get Denmark (another country the show hasn't been to for no apparent reason) or Israel (which has been rumored more than once in the past). In one sentence, I am liking the way this season seems to be shaping up.

I'm happy the race will visit Indonesia at last, Asia and Australia versions did and there were no problems when they were filming there.  I think the next leg will possibly be in Bali, Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur or Kuching) or Brunei.   :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: WalterC on June 20, 2011, 03:48:04 PM
I'm happy the race will visit Indonesia at last, Asia and Australia versions did and there were no problems when they were filming there.  I think the next leg will possibly be in Bali, Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur or Kuching) or Brunei.   :yess:

Hopefully, it won't involve counting money or carrying baskets on heads.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 20, 2011, 03:57:06 PM
Weihen says INDAH.

We also have a transportation thread for detailed flights and all!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 20, 2011, 04:30:26 PM
Blondes look very much like twins. Poor older team, hope they can survive this so called double elimination...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: NumfarPTB on June 20, 2011, 04:39:52 PM
The tricky part would be going to the right station so they can catch the 5 pm departure. I doubt many Indonesians they encounter at the plane or airport can tell them which station has the best departures to Yogya. Although luckily for them, Gambir is the most prominent station out of the two, so it's likely they're pointed into that direction.

Maybe the route info clue actually points them to an specific station, where they'll have to buy the tickets for the train.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tdeathgem on June 20, 2011, 05:07:06 PM
Double Emilination may imply only 11 legs this season? :'(

That could also mean one more NEL
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prama on June 20, 2011, 06:22:36 PM
Wow, so they're heading to Jogja instead of Jakarta? It was beyond my expectation! Cause I think Jogja still have some Mt.Merapi issues and TPTB won't decide to go there.. But still, it surprised me!  :wohoo:
About the train station, I think it will be easier for them to take a train from Stasiun Jakarta Kota. First, I think it is closer from Soetta Airport and second, they can take a train wherever they want. Although it is still possible for them to take a train for Gambir..

Oh, if anyone needs some infos about Jogjakarta, just go to this site http://www.yogyes.com/ (http://www.yogyes.com/)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 20, 2011, 07:58:00 PM
shooting amazing race us @ bandara
3 minutes ago via BlackBerry · ·

From FB and in Jakarta, Indonesia.

Is "bandara" referring to the airport? There are also some hotels called this.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tdeathgem on June 20, 2011, 08:00:07 PM
Are we on leg 2 or leg 3?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 20, 2011, 08:08:29 PM
Are we on leg 2 or leg 3?

The leg that will be completed next will be leg 2, if that helps.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tdeathgem on June 20, 2011, 08:10:11 PM
Are we on leg 2 or leg 3?

The leg that will be completed next will be leg 2, if that helps.

K, thanks
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prama on June 20, 2011, 08:10:53 PM
shooting amazing race us @ bandara
3 minutes ago via BlackBerry · ·

From FB and in Jakarta, Indonesia.

Is "bandara" referring to the airport? There are also some hotels called this.

Yes. Bandara means airport. I think he/she is one of TAR production teams from Indonesia :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 20, 2011, 08:30:02 PM
Just a passing comment about team colors.  In past seasons, we've had more than one shade of some colors, such as with blue, green, and red (e.g., pink). I'll let the folks with photos and on the scene take that reminder from there.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: wangsacl on June 20, 2011, 10:10:18 PM
This is just a pure speculation, but I think we may see the teams in Jakarta for leg 3, based on a following pattern:

In season 15, teams flew to HCMC, and then take a bus to Cai Be. The next leg, they are back in HCMC.

In season 18, teams flew to Kunming and then take a train/flight to Lijiang. The next leg, they are back in Kunming.

Maybe this pattern will goes on in this season. Just a pure speculation.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 20, 2011, 10:26:15 PM
shooting amazing race us @ bandara
3 minutes ago via BlackBerry · ·

From FB and in Jakarta, Indonesia.

Is "bandara" referring to the airport? There are also some hotels called this.

Yes. Bandara means airport. I think he/she is one of TAR production teams from Indonesia :tup:

Production NEVER advertises their presence. There are serious security concerns by doing so.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 20, 2011, 10:28:28 PM
This is just a pure speculation, but I think we may see the teams in Jakarta for leg 3, based on a following pattern:

In season 15, teams flew to HCMC, and then take a bus to Cai Be. The next leg, they are back in HCMC.

In season 18, teams flew to Kunming and then take a train/flight to Lijiang. The next leg, they are back in Kunming.

Maybe this pattern will goes on in this season. Just a pure speculation.

That's a good point. I was thinking there might be time for at least a route info in Jakarta, but your ways seems possible. I am hoping for Borobudur myself.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on June 20, 2011, 10:33:46 PM
This is just a pure speculation, but I think we may see the teams in Jakarta for leg 3, based on a following pattern:

In season 15, teams flew to HCMC, and then take a bus to Cai Be. The next leg, they are back in HCMC.

In season 18, teams flew to Kunming and then take a train/flight to Lijiang. The next leg, they are back in Kunming.

Maybe this pattern will goes on in this season. Just a pure speculation.

That's a good point. I was thinking there might be time for at least a route info in Jakarta, but your ways seems possible. I am hoping for Borobudur myself.
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bali is high chance please
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: BayBay on June 20, 2011, 10:42:09 PM
This is just a pure speculation, but I think we may see the teams in Jakarta for leg 3, based on a following pattern:

In season 15, teams flew to HCMC, and then take a bus to Cai Be. The next leg, they are back in HCMC.

In season 18, teams flew to Kunming and then take a train/flight to Lijiang. The next leg, they are back in Kunming.

Maybe this pattern will goes on in this season. Just a pure speculation.

That's a good point. I was thinking there might be time for at least a route info in Jakarta, but your ways seems possible. I am hoping for Borobudur myself.

We have also seen the reverse  :lol:
Sydney flight to Broken Hill train to Sydney
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: krabbe on June 20, 2011, 11:38:41 PM
 Anyone knows for sure teams took the CI & BR flights mentioned before?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 20, 2011, 11:51:31 PM
Teams should land on Jakarta  already...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 21, 2011, 12:47:50 AM
I've been doging severe thunderstorms....and one of them spawned a tornado as it raced away from downtown at 50 mph.....so it has been an interesting evening.

Hence, one question if our friends in Taiwan know.  Who was the greeter? Obviously military or retired military, but that's unusual for the show.  And, it's potentially sensitive with the mainland.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Neobie on June 21, 2011, 12:53:34 AM
The Martyr's Shrine is famous for it's changing of the guard and is right next to one of their camps (blurred on Google Earth). I think this is one of their commanders?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: loseaguy on June 21, 2011, 12:56:42 AM
I've been doging severe thunderstorms....and one of them spawned a tornado as it raced away from downtown at 50 mph.....so it has been an interesting evening.

Hence, one question if our friends in Taiwan know.  Who was the greeter? Obviously military or retired military, but that's unusual for the show.  And, it's potentially sensitive with the mainland.

He's a colonel. It's just a show, so it has nothing to do with the political thing.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 21, 2011, 01:30:08 AM
I think we may get to see the changing of the guard or their equivalent...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Neobie on June 21, 2011, 02:48:37 AM
Oh no!! Sunderland's delayed??

No need to worry for anyone coming into Jakarta now. They've got a good two hours to get to the train station for the same train. :js:

And then the train arrives in the middle of the night, so I'd dare say we wouldn't be seeing much action until morning Indonesia time...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 21, 2011, 02:53:16 AM
I'm all confused, which trains/times out of Gambir??

NVM!!

This one, thanks Neobie!

21 JUN 2011
Bima 10034 (1700-0042) from Jakarta Gambir to Yogyakarta

only an hour away?? :ascared:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Neobie on June 21, 2011, 02:56:22 AM
It's just before 3pm in Jakarta right now. All teams on the direct flights should be able to make it barring some sort of catastrophe.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: wangsacl on June 21, 2011, 03:04:07 AM
Well I am now on the tollway in Jakarta, heading to South Jakarta, and I'm stuck. Jams occurring nearly everywhere. If they are using the Tomang toll road, they're in trouble. IDK about the Ancol toll road, when I got to the airport via Ancol toll road, it was disastrous. A lot of trucks and traffic jams.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 21, 2011, 03:10:49 AM
Is it a close connection that teams are needing to make at Gambir Station, or will they all be fine (Sunderlands included?!) and you can confirm 11 teams at the Airport - older team included?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: cutepoison on June 21, 2011, 03:15:59 AM
4 teams are already in gambir.

1 minute ago by ivanwangsa

train schedule Jakarta to Yogyakarta
(http://cdn-u.kaskus.us/49/aqsl2agb.jpg)
the train will depart from Jakarta Kota Central Station, but the train will stop by at the Gambir Station
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Neobie on June 21, 2011, 03:17:37 AM
There is a train leaving at 5pm (1h45 from now) from Gambir. If they miss it, there is another one at 8pm that arrives correspondingly three hours later, but it's 3.38am versus 12.42am, so it wouldn't make a huge difference in the end if Hours of Operation come into play.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: wangsacl on June 21, 2011, 03:18:46 AM
I don't remember the teams at all (sorry). 4 teams are already @ gambir, according to calphin. He cannot take too much pics :( as for the 10/11 teams, I don't really count, but I counted the police cars + motorcycles, and there are 11 vehicles, and each one is presumably for each teams. I maybe need to take a look at the teams' pictures.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: cutepoison on June 21, 2011, 05:50:38 AM
one of my friends in Yogyakarta

{{ this is excellent work and much appreciated but for the racers' security I am removing it until they are safely there--peach}}

and after that maybe they just got the clue then go to somewhere else (route info) probably Taman Sari
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HPK3DidFzjA/S7TRM3OqYYI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/BLVwt08sfnM/s1600/tamansaribaru0gk.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EZ9jBnWQnmU/TUERyTXXvpI/AAAAAAAAAA8/6U8t78E9A7o/s1600/tamansari-1.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EZ9jBnWQnmU/TUESGPlc6tI/AAAAAAAAABA/yRrKWJiyvP8/s1600/_big_paper-article23-img404_Picture089.jpg)

tribute to kaskus  :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 21, 2011, 06:59:01 AM
Great work! Hopefully kaskus can spot them too.

Did you mean 1.30 in the morning or like 13.30? If the latter then it may be the pitstop
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kamineko on June 21, 2011, 07:14:16 AM
Great work! Hopefully kaskus can spot them too.

Did you mean 1.30 in the morning or like 13.30? If the latter then it may be the pitstop

It's 01.30 AM in the morning...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 21, 2011, 08:05:43 AM
That location looks very TAR-friendly and will look fantastic in HD! If indeed this is a route marker, the opening hours are 8am-4pm, so we may well see the equaliser here..
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 21, 2011, 08:11:10 AM
some thoughts of double emilination(pure speculation): this leg maybe TBC leg...10 teams checked in middle point and received next clue (keep racing...) and last team arrived middle point got emilinated.then another team emilinated at real PS.maybe work like this...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: cutepoison on June 21, 2011, 09:39:13 AM
{{ info removed for security--peach}}

bonus : some pics from Yogyakarta
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nim5aPb7MjM/TUgG25D90sI/AAAAAAAABfg/AtuQGwnLe3A/s1600/tugu%2Bby%2Bpojokphoto.com%2B%2540%2Bjogjaicon%2B2011.jpg)
Tugu Station

(http://spoorsoni.blog.friendster.com/files/img_4563ed1.jpg)
The Train at Yogyakarta City

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3632/3836957844_7d84386619.jpg)
Departure/Arrival

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4IqWjOwE_18/SAqeg6uQ0UI/AAAAAAAAAAk/NStctH7hZUw/s320/stasiun%2Btugu.jpg)
Outside the station
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on June 21, 2011, 10:07:24 AM
I think TAR will probably start off from Asia in future very often. The Asian legs are often the most spoiled legs ever with all the AWESOME fans. :lol:

And they will probably not visit Indonesia in a LONG LONG WHILE. :lol: With the most twitter users in the world, I think they would love to stay undercover long enough.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Coutzy on June 21, 2011, 10:44:37 AM
I think TAR will probably start off from Asia in future very often. The Asian legs are often the most spoiled legs ever with all the AWESOME fans. :lol:

And they will probably not visit Indonesia in a LONG LONG WHILE. :lol: With the most twitter users in the world, I think they would love to stay undercover long enough.

I think it makes a lot of sense to start in Asia/ MELBOURNE! (hint hint- Oh, who am I kidding, I royally screwed that when I flew to Sydney that time.) because having the final 10 or 9 spoiled is obviously preferable to having the final 4 or 5 spoiled.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on June 21, 2011, 10:56:07 AM
I think TAR will probably start off from Asia in future very often. The Asian legs are often the most spoiled legs ever with all the AWESOME fans. :lol:

And they will probably not visit Indonesia in a LONG LONG WHILE. :lol: With the most twitter users in the world, I think they would love to stay undercover long enough.

I think it makes a lot of sense to start in Asia/ MELBOURNE! (hint hint- Oh, who am I kidding, I royally screwed that when I flew to Sydney that time.) because having the final 10 or 9 spoiled is obviously preferable to having the final 4 or 5 spoiled.

Precisely. I think they have decided to fly to less known countries for the Final 6 onwards already. Middle East/Africa or South America.

 :(
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 21, 2011, 11:33:56 AM
If they head to (PNG) I think it will not be spoiled likely.  :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 21, 2011, 12:27:06 PM
Okay guys!! As I have asked before, PLEASE DO NOT discuss your plans for LIVE sighting the teams online.

You are putting the teams (and yourselves) at a security risk by doing so!! It is NOT wise to announce to the world where and when teams will be.

I will be deleting these references. :ascared

You are welcome to PM or email me with any questions !!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: chill_sd on June 21, 2011, 04:04:29 PM
From that last message board posting it sounds like the teams might have been taken somewhere to await an HOO.   It's now about 0500 there (I think) so it may be a couple hours before they are seen again?? (Speculating.)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 21, 2011, 04:30:56 PM
Based on the posted information that the Taiwan leg was an NEL, it appears TPTB have finally taken to heart a suggestion many of us long-timers have long felt, namely, to give us more time with all 11 teams before an elimination. With TAR 18 and now 19 having a first leg NEL, I hope the editors give us a reasonable amount of time with all 11 teams during the first two legs.

I also get the feeling TPTB may also be getting away from the casting of confrontation teams and giving us what we've had in some of the better seasons, a genuinely likeable cast of teams and letting the drama come from the competition and not from manufactured drama.

And it is nice that having HD is allowing the locations the Race visits to shine.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 21, 2011, 04:36:06 PM
From that last message board posting it sounds like the teams might have been taken somewhere to await an HOO.   It's now about 0500 there (I think) so it may be a couple hours before they are seen again?? (Speculating.)

It is 4.30 in the morning in Jogja and the hotel doesn't open until 8.00. By then I'm sure the racers will have many Indonesian friends also waiting to get in and "help" :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 21, 2011, 04:38:40 PM
Darn, the clock isn't working.

Anyways, a link to the current yogyakarta time: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=666
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: nasy on June 21, 2011, 04:50:19 PM
From that last message board posting it sounds like the teams might have been taken somewhere to await an HOO.   It's now about 0500 there (I think) so it may be a couple hours before they are seen again?? (Speculating.)

It is 4.30 in the morning in Jogja and the hotel doesn't open until 8.00. By then I'm sure the racers will have many Indonesian friends also waiting to get in and "help" :lol3:
depend on the next marker. most of the popular destination in yogyakarta open at 8.00 or early, so does the shop, market,etc. probably before 8.00 they will leave the hotel or they'll be very late  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on June 21, 2011, 04:56:40 PM
guys wait what awain spoler this double elimatoin will can be 12 somewhere
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 21, 2011, 05:21:23 PM
This is just my speculative gut feeling, but I think a double U-Turn is more likely than a double elimination.
I can't speak for the regional versions, but a double elimination doesn't really make much sense for TAR, unlike Survivor or Big Brother, where they've had to resort to all sorts of devices to keep enough people in towards the end to avert the boredom for the viewer with too few contestants around.
Since the speed bump is back (as opposed to last season's automatic U-Turn), a double U-Turn and a likely bunching in the second leg seems to be plenty in the game device department.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 21, 2011, 05:41:40 PM
Funny to do a U Turn so soon though. At this point many racers  may not even have met each other really... makes the UTurn a difficult choice.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 21, 2011, 05:44:27 PM
Funny to do a U Turn so soon though. At this point many racers  may not even have met each other really... makes the UTurn a difficult choice.

Maybe the over heard speculation was for a later leg? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 21, 2011, 05:49:44 PM
Funny to do a U Turn so soon though. At this point many racers  may not even have met each other really... makes the UTurn a difficult choice.

I agree, and I would be somewhat surprised to see more Double Uturns this year. But then I am surprised that they are still using Speed Bumps. :res:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Best Loser on June 21, 2011, 06:06:11 PM
I'm not too surprised of a double elimination, in fact I was expecting one like this sooner. I don't understand why anyone would be upset by a non-elimination followed by a double elimination. Wouldn't it pretty much be the same thing as an elimination on the first and second leg?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 21, 2011, 06:29:21 PM
I'm not too surprised of a double elimination, in fact I was expecting one like this sooner. I don't understand why anyone would be upset by a non-elimination followed by a double elimination. Wouldn't it pretty much be the same thing as an elimination on the first and second leg?

There was one on season 10.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 21, 2011, 06:58:02 PM
Season 10, leg 1 was a mid-leg elimination, not a double-elimination at the same point.

One reason why I'm skeptical of a double elimination is that historically, the show doesn't do as well in the ratings with too many NELs (or their equivalent.) This season is likely to start on September 18th (the previous Sunday being the 10th anniversary of 9/11), and 12 straight episodes would take it to December 4th. A double elimination would make it harder to cover that schedule without four (or five) NELs or equivalents....and even if the premiere was the following Sunday (the 25th) a 12-episode order would only take it to December 11th. Given how CBS wants to air Survivor season finales on Sundays (given them December 11th, more likely, as December 18th would normally be a Hallmark holiday presentation) I just don't see the show wanting any more NELs than they need to.

Edited to clarify which dates are September and which are December, as the same days of the month fall on Sundays!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: KingCrimson88 on June 21, 2011, 07:03:02 PM
Based on the posted information that the Taiwan leg was an NEL, it appears TPTB have finally taken to heart a suggestion many of us long-timers have long felt, namely, to give us more time with all 11 teams before an elimination. With TAR 18 and now 19 having a first leg NEL, I hope the editors give us a reasonable amount of time with all 11 teams during the first two legs.

I also get the feeling TPTB may also be getting away from the casting of confrontation teams and giving us what we've had in some of the better seasons, a genuinely likeable cast of teams and letting the drama come from the competition and not from manufactured drama.


Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more with everything in this post. I think NEL on a first leg is terrible and highly anti-climatic. Also, some of the better seasons had loads of bittering couples(Teri/Ian, Colin/Christie, etc.).

I really hope this double elimination stuff is not true and it's really just a double u-turn(another twist I don't care for, but at least it's better than the alternate).
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Best Loser on June 21, 2011, 07:21:03 PM
I'm not too surprised of a double elimination, in fact I was expecting one like this sooner. I don't understand why anyone would be upset by a non-elimination followed by a double elimination. Wouldn't it pretty much be the same thing as an elimination on the first and second leg?

There was one on season 10.

I meant at the same pit stop. But thinking of season 10, I'm a little surprised that there aren't twelve teams. I don't think there will be four non-elimination legs, so maybe a TBC/double length leg?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on June 21, 2011, 07:26:36 PM
A Double Elimination is not exciting. Think about the "suspense" of having three people vie for one last spot (and if one or two of the teams are behind, :lol:) :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 21, 2011, 07:35:16 PM
It is beginning to look as though a second leg outside of Yogyakarta MIGHT be possible...which would mean a chance for Borobudur!!! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 21, 2011, 07:36:07 PM
It is beginning to look as though a second leg outside of Yogyakarta MIGHT be possible...which would mean a chance for Borobudur!!! :hearts:

Wow, I had hoped they visited Borobudur this leg and visited Jakarta the next.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 21, 2011, 07:42:30 PM
It is beginning to look as though a second leg outside of Yogyakarta MIGHT be possible...which would mean a chance for Borobudur!!! :hearts:

What about the beach thing? I thought that would indicate another country. Or maybe Bali.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 21, 2011, 07:43:38 PM
Nothing to prevent a beach leg after...

Just speculating!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 21, 2011, 08:15:27 PM
8:15 in Yogyakarta. Which means it has been 15 mins. since the place they are headed to opened.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mds1978 on June 21, 2011, 08:21:44 PM
Funny to do a U Turn so soon though. At this point many racers  may not even have met each other really... makes the UTurn a difficult choice.

Amanda and Kris were U-turned in the first five minutes of the race last season, and it don't get sooner than that!

Maybe just as the Express Pass is now becoming a regular race twist, so too might the automatic u-turn penalty...?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 21, 2011, 08:33:54 PM
That was not a Uturn by a team so what she is saying doesn't really apply.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 21, 2011, 08:55:39 PM
Nothing to prevent a beach leg after...

Just speculating!

There are beaches in Yogyakarta too, so they might show up later in this leg.
http://www.yogyes.com/en/yogyakarta-tourism-object/beach/ (http://www.yogyes.com/en/yogyakarta-tourism-object/beach/)

I'm also speculating. I'm surprised that the production staff or crew would talk about what might be coming up to the public or where teams could hear it, so I'm a bit skeptical. I hope it's true. Perhaps I didn't fully understand what was overheard or who it was said to.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 21, 2011, 09:29:45 PM
Production staff talking about future legs to outsiders has happened before. I recall we had that spoiler during TAR 16 in Bariloche where the local newspaper reported in Spanish the fact that the Race was headed to Germany.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on June 21, 2011, 11:59:39 PM
Since it's all safe, can the mods release and unlock the Taiwan spoilers thread that was made up before? :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2011, 12:01:40 AM
Since it's all safe, can the mods release and unlock the Taiwan spoilers thread that was made up before? :hearts:

see the first few posts of the Locations thread...it is all there. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 22, 2011, 12:13:50 AM
Strange how we've heard virtually nothing between the hours of operation holdup and only the last few minutes (midday their time).. Is it a long distance to travel between the hotel and Malioboro?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: nasy on June 22, 2011, 12:15:47 AM
Strange how we've heard virtually nothing between the hours of operation holdup and only the last few minutes (midday their time).. Is it a long distance to travel between the hotel and Malioboro?
nope. probably only 20 minutes. maybe 40 with traffic jam
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 22, 2011, 12:20:20 AM
I went and took a look at Wiki's article on Malioboro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalan_Malioboro), and I have a feeling this would be a great place for some sort of task involving businesses or products along the street. This is total speculation on my part, but being a major commercial thoroughfare it would be reasonable. I'm also intrigued by the reference to the street being the dividing line between the train station and the volcano....
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 22, 2011, 12:23:34 AM
Just out of curiosity, was there a 24hr pitstop in Taiwan; or did teams did an overnight departure task and continued the first leg on the 20th?   :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2011, 12:26:49 AM
12 HOURS EXACTLY.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 22, 2011, 12:30:13 AM
12 HOURS EXACTLY.

So if the race began on Saturday the 18th and they left Taiwan on the 21st, was there an overnight stay somewhere in Taiwan on the 19th?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: franxaverian on June 22, 2011, 12:35:10 AM
I went and took a look at Wiki's article on Malioboro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalan_Malioboro), and I have a feeling this would be a great place for some sort of task involving businesses or products along the street. This is total speculation on my part, but being a major commercial thoroughfare it would be reasonable. I'm also intrigued by the reference to the street being the dividing line between the train station and the volcano....

You are on the right track. Malioboro is actually a long street full of stores. I also imagine them selling something, maybe an art item or finding something mentioned in the clue as a detour.

As for the beaches, the other choice than Bali, would be Bunaken beach in Manado (North Sulawesi). The beach is as popular as Bali with many tourists heading there.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on June 22, 2011, 12:39:58 AM
And in Manado....... there are lots and lots of exotic stuff! :lol: /referstosurvivorgame. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kamineko on June 22, 2011, 12:43:55 AM
If they're going to Manado, then it's going to be the most surprising destination they're going to, because I was born in there.  :-[

I will be happy to help you when they're going to Manado!  :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2011, 01:07:45 AM
12 HOURS EXACTLY.

So if the race began on Saturday the 18th and they left Taiwan on the 21st, was there an overnight stay somewhere in Taiwan on the 19th?

No...they didn't arrive there till the 20th. Time difference.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 22, 2011, 04:26:06 AM
So it sounds like the first detour of the race occurred within Malioboro, one side of which had to do with valeting cars in a nearby mall car park. Seems like we may have lost them for now though..
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: LoveRocked on June 22, 2011, 04:39:33 AM
Leg 1 - California -> Taiwan
Leg 2 - Taiwan -> Jakarta
Leg 3 - Jakarta -> Makioboro

my guess is maybe 5 or 6 new countries? maybe? right?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 22, 2011, 04:46:46 AM
Leg 1 - California -> Taiwan
Leg 2 - Taiwan -> Jakarta
Leg 3 - Jakarta -> Makioboro

my guess is maybe 5 or 6 new countries? maybe? right?

Actually I think we are still on Leg 2. The only thing teams had to do in Jakarta was catch a train to Yogyakarta. They left yesterday and were held up for half a day by the long journey and hours of operation.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ekyekyyy on June 22, 2011, 05:10:45 AM
Leg 1 - California -> Taiwan
Leg 2 - Taiwan -> Jakarta
Leg 3 - Jakarta -> Makioboro

my guess is maybe 5 or 6 new countries? maybe? right?

Leg 1 - USA -> Taipei
Leg 2 - Taipei -> Jakarta (no tasks, just connector) -> Jogjakarta
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Obbyz on June 22, 2011, 05:24:42 AM
weihen is right about the "DOUBLE" BTW :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 22, 2011, 05:30:46 AM
weihen is right about the "DOUBLE" BTW :)

? You mean double emiliation?or TBC?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 22, 2011, 05:32:34 AM
Double U-Turn I hope! I don't really care for the Double Elimination idea...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: topaz on June 22, 2011, 07:37:38 AM
Leg 1 - California -> Taiwan
Leg 2 - Taiwan -> Jakarta
Leg 3 - Jakarta -> Makioboro

my guess is maybe 5 or 6 new countries? maybe? right?

Please, go to my country, the Philippines for Leg 4 and/or 5! *cross my finger and let this typhoon Falcon get out* :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 22, 2011, 09:10:56 AM
So the teams were seen at Malioboro mall, Fort/Musem Vredburg and the Kraton. (If this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraton_Ngayogyakarta_Hadiningrat) is the Kraton meant then it is almost the same place as the Fort so it is probably just a RI after the detour)

As you can see these locations are very close together so they probably went somewhere else for the RB and Pitstop. Maybe some of my locations are wrong? Please correct if they are.

Borobudur is an hour from there so they could go there for the pitstop or something.


(http://i.imm.io/6I2W.png)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 22, 2011, 09:20:59 AM

i think it is...here is a tweet

doi lg ngitung molen di burjo ni RT @riezaptr: Yang di jogja, NBA Legend Karl Malone lg di jogja yakk Amazing Race. Inpooo dooong
16 minutes ago

translation: he's counting molen (a dessert) at Burjo RT @riezaptr To people at Yogya, is it true NBA legend Karl Malone is doing Amazing Race in Yogya? Info please.

I think he's not sure himself. Probably got the tip from here :)

Could this mean teams were seen doing a task involving counting desserts? There is a place called Burjo Coffee in Jogja.  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: chill_sd on June 22, 2011, 02:12:57 PM
So I guess leg 2 should be over.  Did we lose them at the pitstop or do we have info about when the next leg should be starting and where they might be going?

Lots of tweets around noon - 2 pm Jogja time, but not much follow-up.  (Not complaining, just anxious to find out more.)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 22, 2011, 02:15:10 PM
nvm
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2011, 02:20:04 PM
Let's start looking ahaead a little...

Assuming teams checked in about 12 hours ago...it is possible that the PitStart could take place from anytime now onwards...as we know, PitStops are no longer a standard time though, so that could be almost anytime!! Current time in Yog is 219 AM Thurs 6/23.

IF the rumored overheard go to Borobudur is correct...let's start thinking how long it takes to get there... and then IF-- BIG IF---They do go to "beautiful beaches" Bali then here are the flights available: Two 8PM ones seem possible??

DPS Denpasar Bali GA 250    Garuda Indonesia 8:00 AM 
   
DPS Denpasar Bali RI 579    Mandala Airlines 11:40 AM   
     
DPS Denpasar Bali GA 252    Garuda Indonesia 4:15 PM   
   
DPS Denpasar Bali GA 254    Garuda Indonesia 8:00 PM   
   
DPS Denpasar Bali JT* 568    Lion Airlines 8:40 PM 
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 22, 2011, 02:20:59 PM
So I guess leg 2 should be over.  Did we lose them at the pitstop or do we have info about when the next leg should be starting and where they might be going?

Lots of tweets around noon - 2 pm Jagja time, but not much follow-up.  (Not complaining, just anxious to find out more.)

:lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2011, 02:24:24 PM
All the info will be available soon, don't worry. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2011, 02:37:27 PM
It is beginning to look as though a second leg outside of Yogyakarta MIGHT be possible...which would mean a chance for Borobudur!!! :hearts:

I had to miss Borobudur when I was in Indonesia, so I am HOPING hard they might go there!! As one of the UNESCO World Heritage sites, it would be a visual treasure.

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/indonesia/borobudur
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on June 22, 2011, 03:18:44 PM
Speculation here ...

It's a certainty !!!   :tup:

(http://www.sacred-destinations.com/indonesia/images/borobudur/resized/stupas2-cc-susan-catherine.jpg)

but it would be really cool!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 22, 2011, 03:23:09 PM
It's a certainty !!!   :tup:

(http://www.sacred-destinations.com/indonesia/images/borobudur/resized/stupas2-cc-susan-catherine.jpg)

No way! Chateau you are the man!  :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on June 22, 2011, 03:42:44 PM
Looks like a perfect place.  I don't know for sure!  Just spec  :lol: :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 22, 2011, 03:46:29 PM
I wanted to respond to a comment in the live sightings thread that suggested that because it's now the 23rd in Indonesia, that information about the leg 2 pit stop was safe to post.

It isn't, first, because as Peach noted above, pit stops no longer have a standard length (anywhere for 0 to 24 or more hours, as determined by production in planning the Race) and second because the actual time differences between Jakata, Indonesia and U.S. East Coast is 11 hours with DST, (for me it's 12 hours ahead being in the US central time zone. Can I suggest we don't just look at the calendar, but at the clock?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 22, 2011, 04:00:13 PM
Looks like a perfect place.  I don't know for sure!  Just spec  :lol: :duno:

Its a certainty!!! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2011, 04:12:28 PM
no it isn't..it is SPEC based on tweets. Nothing is a certainty until we hear more, or see the towers!! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Zack. on June 22, 2011, 04:25:53 PM
Let's start looking ahaead a little...

Assuming teams checked in about 12 hours ago...it is possible that the PitStart could take place from anytime now onwards...as we know, PitStops are no longer a standard time though, so that could be almost anytime!! Current time in Yog is 219 AM Thurs 6/23.

IF the rumored overheard go to Borobudur is correct...let's start thinking how long it takes to get there... and then IF-- BIG IF---They do go to "beautiful beaches" Bali then here are the flights available: Two 8PM ones seem possible??

DPS Denpasar Bali GA 250    Garuda Indonesia 8:00 AM 
   
DPS Denpasar Bali RI 579    Mandala Airlines 11:40 AM   
     
DPS Denpasar Bali GA 252    Garuda Indonesia 4:15 PM   
   
DPS Denpasar Bali GA 254    Garuda Indonesia 8:00 PM   
   
DPS Denpasar Bali JT* 568    Lion Airlines 8:40 PM

Could the 'beautiful beaches' be in Lombok, perhaps? We've had two different editions visit there recently, so there's precedent for safe travel there, plus from a production standpoint it's less crowded so perhaps there's less of a chance for spoilers (:snicker:) plus, with the smaller airport there's a better chance for teams to be on the same flight.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 22, 2011, 07:38:35 PM
If we're seeing tweets mentioning helicopters, it makes me think of the 'roo suit running task last season in Broken Hill or the task in Lichtenstein. Hmm. Tuk-tuks maybe? (All my speculation haven't seen anything more than the references to helicopters.)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2011, 07:49:51 PM
So...~ 18 hour PitStop??
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2011, 07:52:13 PM
Ngasem has the BIRD and PET Market close to the Palace.... or maybe they are just looking for transport, :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 22, 2011, 07:52:58 PM
I thought Ngasem was a city far from Jogja. ???
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2011, 07:54:32 PM
Well both......a market 400 m  away makes good sense though.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 22, 2011, 07:58:51 PM
Well both......a market 400 m  away makes good sense though.

Good to know. I thought all the stuff about them going west was wrong somehow.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2011, 07:59:46 PM
Fingers crossed:

Driving directions to Borobudur, Indonesia from Jogja:
 53 mins
39.4 km
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on June 22, 2011, 08:23:14 PM
They're not visiting Yogyakarta without a trip to Borobodur, right? It's like going to Egypt without seeing the pyramids. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2011, 08:37:24 PM
They better!! But yes, signs are poiting that way!!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on June 22, 2011, 08:45:53 PM
what about bali
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2011, 08:57:45 PM
Wijilan
Plengkung Wijilan located east of Yogyakarta Palace. Plengkung in the Indonesian language could also be called a gate or gates. Plengkung Wijilan is a palace gate located on the eastern side of Yogyakarta Palace.


???
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 22, 2011, 11:35:35 PM
I am speculating that the third leg is nearing a conclusion.

Peach will the photos be up soon, or in the morning (8am ish or later)?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Laimis on June 23, 2011, 12:46:12 AM
So they finished Leg 2? :O
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 23, 2011, 12:48:54 AM
So they finished Leg 2? :O

It would seem that way! Signs are pointing to a pitstop at the palace around 18 hours ago
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on June 23, 2011, 12:51:18 AM
More Speculation:

Next Stop:   Jo-Burg   :hides

I have my reasons!!    :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 23, 2011, 12:52:36 AM
More Speculation:

Next Stop:   Jo-Burg   :hides

I have my reasons!!    :lol:

You tease!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 23, 2011, 02:27:19 AM
Well, if that's true maybe they'll run into Michelle and the girls. That would be an interesting cameo!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: LoveRocked on June 23, 2011, 04:46:56 AM
Start Leg 3 right now?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 23, 2011, 04:48:51 AM
Apparently so, teams are looking for Ngasem Bird Market, and Borobudur (as I expected) will be visited for Leg 3! Johannesburg, South Africa a possible location after that...

I really want to know who the two booted teams are...!!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on June 23, 2011, 05:29:16 AM
Cool! Jo-burg! South Africa was top of my wishlist, so I will be very pleased if this is the case!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 23, 2011, 05:50:45 AM
Cool! Jo-burg! South Africa was top of my wishlist, so I will be very pleased if this is the case!
If so,I guess Zambia may be 5th leg for 10th year anniversary,like"make your way to the 1st pitstop of amazing race history..." :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Coutzy on June 23, 2011, 05:54:41 AM
Cool! Jo-burg! South Africa was top of my wishlist, so I will be very pleased if this is the case!
If so,I guess Zambia may be 5th leg for 10th year anniversary,like"make your way to the 1st pitstop of amazing race history..." :lol:

Songwe Village would be awesome, and the giant swing that teams had to ride in one of the Detours.

Even better would be a Switchback of the first Roadblock in TAR history.

This is all speculation, of course
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 23, 2011, 07:41:40 AM
We would ALL love a first leg switchback to celebrate the ten year reunion. But this is SPEC only. Don't forget the "beautiful beaches"!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 23, 2011, 07:43:37 AM
So for the third leg does anyone know if the pitstop is near Borobudor or do they come all the way back to Jogja for that?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 23, 2011, 07:47:25 AM
We would ALL love a first leg switchback to celebrate the ten year reunion. But this is SPEC only. Don't forget the "beautiful beaches"!
"beautiful beaches" maybe in Leg3...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on June 23, 2011, 07:49:24 AM
We would ALL love a first leg switchback to celebrate the ten year reunion. But this is SPEC only. Don't forget the "beautiful beaches"!

Or even a visit to the Victoria Falls is spectacular and commemoratively enough. Though I doubt it (IDK why, gut tells me so). :(
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Coutzy on June 23, 2011, 07:57:38 AM
We would ALL love a first leg switchback to celebrate the ten year reunion. But this is SPEC only. Don't forget the "beautiful beaches"!

Or even a visit to the Victoria Falls is spectacular and commemoratively enough. Though I doubt it (IDK why, gut tells me so). :(

The boiling pot!

I would be happy with however the season panned out if they opened a clue directing them to "The smoke that thunders"

And having the original greeter/Mat and Anna on hand to greet teams.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on June 23, 2011, 08:48:28 AM
How about Phil, Allan and Grant on the finishing line? mswood will die a happy person. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on June 23, 2011, 08:49:13 AM
We would ALL love a first leg switchback to celebrate the ten year reunion. But this is SPEC only. Don't forget the "beautiful beaches"!

Or even a visit to the Victoria Falls is spectacular and commemoratively enough. Though I doubt it (IDK why, gut tells me so). :(

The boiling pot!

I would be happy with however the season panned out if they opened a clue directing them to "The smoke that thunders"

And having the original greeter/Mat and Anna on hand to greet teams.


Here's Matt:   


Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 23, 2011, 08:52:56 AM
Where did the RSA information come from??
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 23, 2011, 09:07:10 AM
Okay guys, fun but lets go back to speculation please. WISHLISTS can go in that thread. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: amazing race fan on June 23, 2011, 09:40:03 AM
do we have any info on who the two teams to get eliminated in leg two were?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 23, 2011, 12:28:56 PM
A comment regarding the course structure for this season as it relates to the number of episodes and the number of legs for the fall season broadcasts. I hadn't realized that the Emmys were going to be aired on Sunday September 18th (FOX has them this year). That means the earliest TAR 19 would very likely premiere is September 25th. An 11 episode season with out breaks would take it to December 4th; if there is a skipped week for country music awards as there was last fall, IIRC, then that would point to December 11th, and a 12-episode run would point to December 11th. Unless, there is a two hour episode lurking in the schedule somewhere. The question is whether CBS is planning Chrismastime programming on December 18th. If so, then Survivor has to have December 11th for its finale, and TAR 18 would have to finish on December 4th.  You see where I'm headed with this? That may mean this this time around, they had to structure the race course for either 11 legs and episodes to finish on December 4th, or there's going to be a two-hour, two-leg finale (for a 12 leg race) as TAR:UB was.

Just throwing that speculation out there because it does become relevant for live sightings later on in the filming. It may also explain why there was a double elimination this season.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: GabrielP on June 23, 2011, 01:01:08 PM
Which 2 teams were eliminated?  ;)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mds1978 on June 23, 2011, 02:01:00 PM
Given their location, I presume that the Elimination Station this season will once again be Ko Samui, Thailand. They probably are going to use the same place as they did for S18. And a like last season, they probably won't be filming it.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 23, 2011, 02:02:30 PM
Hmmm...I think Europe. (spec only)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 23, 2011, 02:13:59 PM
Hmmm...I think Europe. (spec only)

Generally speaking the Es is in a location where the majority of teams are eliminated. (I believe this is to save costs.)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 23, 2011, 02:36:34 PM
The ES also depends on where the finish line will be. I suspect a closer-to-east coast finish, and an European ES might be more direct for production to the final city than Thailand. And if teams do head to Africa (or Europe or South America or the middle east) after leg 3, then that would also make a European ES more sensible. (I think this is what Peach is suggesting with her suggestion.)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 23, 2011, 02:53:38 PM
The ES also depends on where the finish line will be. I suspect a closer-to-east coast finish, and an European ES might be more direct for production to the final city than Thailand. And if teams do head to Africa (or Europe or South America or the middle east) after leg 3, then that would also make a European ES more sensible. (I think this is what Peach is suggesting with her suggestion.)

Yep, exactly. My vote is Portugal again.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Neobie on June 23, 2011, 03:17:57 PM
Hey guys, the internet here is sucky and I can't access any of the tweets. I heard CutePoison saying "greeter for Leg 3" on the sightings thread, is that at Borobodur or was it from central Yogyakarta (which would make it Pit Stop Leg 2?

Because if Phil is filming stand-ups at Borobodur without a greeter, I'd say Leg 3 would take them east to Bali. After that we won't see the teams for a day or so while Phil runs off to get a headstart.

Will format this nicely in the timeline thread when I get better internet, but it's looking like:
18: Los Angeles
19: Lost to Intl Date Line
20: Taipei
21: Phil's Yogyakarta
22: Teams' Yogyakarta
23: Both Phil and Teams in Indonesia (need you guys to confirm this?)
24: Phil's Leg 4
25: Teams' Leg 4

If there is no Pit Stop at Borobodur, I'm going to say onward travel to Bali looks likely to me.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 23, 2011, 03:21:41 PM
I'm confused as well. I know that Leg 1 was Taipei and Leg 2 was Jogja. So was Leg 3 the Borobudor and other locations on Java? If so then now they are on pitstop for that one and getting ready for leg 4 which is not in Indonesia?  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on June 23, 2011, 03:25:18 PM
 :tup:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Parisinspring/Misc/DSCN0051.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 23, 2011, 03:47:45 PM
I'm confused as well. I know that Leg 1 was Taipei and Leg 2 was Jogja. So was Leg 3 the Borobudor and other locations on Java? If so then now they are on pitstop for that one and getting ready for leg 4 which is not in Indonesia?  :duno:

We have never seen three in a row in a country so I presume they are leaving in the morning. Anyways, Chateau care to explain the picture  :lol:

As, for teams they will likely use train back to Jakarta while Phil and the crew will use a plane from Jogja to Jakarta and then onto the next destination.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 23, 2011, 04:08:39 PM
I believe they are much more likely to fly.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 23, 2011, 04:19:51 PM
I believe they are much more likely to fly.

I assumed the would use train to give Phil some extra time to arrive at the next destination.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 23, 2011, 04:26:41 PM
If there are flights available, production usually schedules Phil out a.s.a.p., and then adjust the rest period so that Racers aren't on Phil's connecting flight to the next destination. That practice is becoming very clear as the 12-hour standard pit stop fell by the wayside in the past few seasons.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 23, 2011, 04:36:59 PM
Phil heads out asap after the PitStop Mats.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on June 23, 2011, 04:49:06 PM
Quote
Anyways, Chateau care to explain the picture  :lol:

My little monkeys!  Barbary Apes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_macaque)

Just because it's close to  Portugal.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 23, 2011, 05:21:25 PM
Can it be tentatively say that Karl and Kay were not eliminated based on these great photos from B@M?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 23, 2011, 05:29:32 PM
Nope. Not based on these.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 23, 2011, 05:30:55 PM
I was thinking that since they made the other couple go back or something after these two arrived together here that K/K is safe b/c if these were the last two they would not have to go back.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2019/Yogyakarta/TAR19BM80A.png)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 23, 2011, 05:37:26 PM
Not clear yet who all had to go back...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on June 23, 2011, 05:45:36 PM
Not clear yet who all had to go back...

Maybe someone lose their passport or this tbc
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 23, 2011, 06:21:06 PM
Not clear yet who all had to go back...

Well it doesn't mean anyone else did. But if the green team did they were not last upon their first arrival correct? Only makes sense, so K/K arrived probably seconds before them and were safe.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 23, 2011, 06:24:31 PM
Most likely, a team forgot to get a clue, or lost a clue along the way, or didn't follow a clue instruction that they can remedy as oppose to waiting out a penalty. Since the description implies the team wasn't waiting nearby to be checked in, it isn't a definite 30 minute or more penalty; so it would seem to be one of those three possibilities.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 23, 2011, 07:57:35 PM
Cool! Jo-burg! South Africa was top of my wishlist, so I will be very pleased if this is the case!
If so,I guess Zambia may be 5th leg for 10th year anniversary,like"make your way to the 1st pitstop of amazing race history..." :lol:

Songwe Village would be awesome, and the giant swing that teams had to ride in one of the Detours.

Even better would be a Switchback of the first Roadblock in TAR history.

This is all speculation, of course

Lesotho or Swaziland is possible from Johannesburg too.  Usually every time the Race visits Africa they usually add a new country there.
TAR1 (South Africa, Zambia, Tunisia)
TAR2 (Namibia)
TAR3 (Morocco)
TAR5 (Egypt, Kenya, Tanzania)
TAR6 (Senegal, Ethiopia)
TAR7 (Botswana)
TAR10 (Mauritius, Madagascar)
TAR11 (Mozambique)
TAR12 (Burkina Faso)
TAR16 (Seychelles)
TAR17 (Ghana)
-See my point.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on June 23, 2011, 09:12:01 PM
Bali

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

May be this??

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http://www.adventure-bali.com/

would that mean are team are in bali
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kamineko on June 23, 2011, 10:22:20 PM
I got this from other forum:

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Baru tau kalo TAR ke indonesia (jogja) gara2 dapet email dari temen ane, yg ngirimin foto dia sama Phil Keoghan. Barusan udah sampe jakarta, katanya satu pesawat bareng Phil dan bakpianya dia 1 dus 'dibajak' si oom Phil hahaha!

Quote
Translate:
I just found out that TAR was coming to Indonesia (Jogja) because I received email from my friend, who sent his/her photo with Phil Keoghan. They had just arrived in Jakarta, and they said that they're on the same plane with Phil.

I don't know which plane that they and Phil took. And I don't know where the next destination is, whether it's still in Indonesia or going overseas.

 
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 23, 2011, 10:43:53 PM
I got this from other forum:

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Baru tau kalo TAR ke indonesia (jogja) gara2 dapet email dari temen ane, yg ngirimin foto dia sama Phil Keoghan. Barusan udah sampe jakarta, katanya satu pesawat bareng Phil dan bakpianya dia 1 dus 'dibajak' si oom Phil hahaha!

Quote
Translate:
I just found out that TAR was coming to Indonesia (Jogja) because I received email from my friend, who sent his/her photo with Phil Keoghan. They had just arrived in Jakarta, and they said that they're on the same plane with Phil.

I don't know which plane that they and Phil took. And I don't know where the next destination is, whether it's still in Indonesia or going overseas.

Most likely overseas, because they have done two legs already in Indonesia.  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 23, 2011, 11:00:30 PM
The timing of the Safari to Ubud makes sense with the first flight of the day from YOG to Bali

GA 250 Flight Information
Route:         From (JOG) Yogyakarta, ID to (DPS) Denpasar Bali, ID    
Duration:         1h 15m

Departure Status Details
Airport:         (JOG) Adisutjipto Airport
City:         Yogyakarta, ID
Scheduled:         8:00 AM - Fri 24-Jun-2011

Arrival Status Details
Airport:         (DPS) Ngurah Rai Airport
City:         Denpasar Bali, ID
Scheduled:         10:15 AM - Fri 24-Jun-2011

That tweet seems to be timed close to the landing.

3rd leg in Indonesia?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 23, 2011, 11:05:43 PM
It's confusing...3rd leg has already done yesterday...now 4th leg still in Indodesia to Bali? of fly to another country?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: paldog123456 on June 23, 2011, 11:17:24 PM
Maybe they are just getting a clue or doing half the leg in Bali, then flying out. Bali does have a bigger airport.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: redwings8831 on June 23, 2011, 11:49:20 PM
From @terryibrahims
@KellyJohnson122 not really sure, i cant get near them, but i overheard them mentioned bangkok, if i'm not mistaken, i took 1 blur pic

Possibly Bangkok! Again!

Isn't adjisupto airport in Jogja?

If I had to guess, I'd say Bangkok is a connection point to somewhere else in Asia/Africa/Middle East.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: paldog123456 on June 23, 2011, 11:50:36 PM
From @terryibrahims
@KellyJohnson122 not really sure, i cant get near them, but i overheard them mentioned bangkok, if i'm not mistaken, i took 1 blur pic

Possibly Bangkok! Again!

Isn't adjisupto airport in Jogja?

If I had to guess, I'd say Bangkok is a connection point to somewhere else in Asia/Africa/Middle East.

Bangkok does have a lot of connections. I am still thinking they will stay in Asia, though.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on June 24, 2011, 12:06:18 AM
From @terryibrahims
@KellyJohnson122 not really sure, i cant get near them, but i overheard them mentioned bangkok, if i'm not mistaken, i took 1 blur pic

Possibly Bangkok! Again!

Isn't adjisupto airport in Jogja?

If I had to guess, I'd say Bangkok is a connection point to somewhere else in Asia/Africa/Middle East.

Bangkok does have a lot of connections. I am still thinking they will stay in Asia, though.

Kazakhstan or Mongolia  :jam:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 24, 2011, 12:23:30 AM
This all fits for onward travel!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 24, 2011, 12:25:15 AM
From @terryibrahims
@KellyJohnson122 not really sure, i cant get near them, but i overheard them mentioned bangkok, if i'm not mistaken, i took 1 blur pic

Possibly Bangkok! Again!

Isn't adjisupto airport in Jogja?

If I had to guess, I'd say Bangkok is a connection point to somewhere else in Asia/Africa/Middle East.

Bangkok does have a lot of connections. I am still thinking they will stay in Asia, though.

Kazakhstan or Mongolia  :jam:

Speculating it could be Chiang Mai, not visited since TAR2.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 24, 2011, 12:33:53 AM
I think Bangkok is a connection too,connect to a city in Thailand.
I don't think it is Africa/Middle East since they better fly to Dubai as connection if so...
Kazakhstan or Mongolia  has possible but I think it's a city in Thailand...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 24, 2011, 01:46:47 AM
This morning, my friend from Kaskus (kotakcokelat) spotted them at Jogja airport buying that 13.45 flight, here are the 5 teams:
2 Blacks (M/F)
A couple with an asian (M/F)
A couple (M/F)
Blondes (F/F)

Don't know about the other 3/4 teams..  :duno:
pure spec:
according this info and other info about spotted 2 M-M teams,our 2 or 3 teams emilinated at Indnesia should be in :
one M-M team(not sure which team)
Hawaii girls
old couple team
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 24, 2011, 01:52:23 AM
This morning, my friend from Kaskus (kotakcokelat) spotted them at Jogja airport buying that 13.45 flight, here are the 5 teams:
2 Blacks (M/F)
A couple with an asian (M/F)
A couple (M/F)
Blondes (F/F)

Don't know about the other 3/4 teams..  :duno:
pure spec:
according this info and other info about spotted 2 M-M teams,our 2 or 3 teams emilinated at Indnesia should be in :
one M-M team(not sure which team)
Hawaii girls
old couple team

you can't say that from the available data.... 
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: TSPKM on June 24, 2011, 03:52:52 AM
I think thats why weihen said "pure spec" since its a speculation thread.

But I agree with weihen, signs are pointing towards the brunette girls and the older couple being eliminiated already.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Lutpay on June 24, 2011, 04:11:48 AM
Teams are now ready to take off from CGK (QZ 7716) and scheduled to arrive in Bangkok at 8 pm local time..

If Bangkok is connection point, here are the options they may take to after:
http://www.bangkokairportonline.com/node/129
Maybe Colombo??  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 24, 2011, 04:26:50 AM
Teams are now ready to take off from CGK (QZ 7716) and scheduled to arrive in Bangkok at 8 pm local time..

If Bangkok is connection point, here are the options they may take to after:
http://www.bangkokairportonline.com/node/129
Maybe Colombo??  :duno:
There is a flight to Istanbul at 11:35pm...or connect to city in Thailand?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Lutpay on June 24, 2011, 04:39:07 AM
Teams are now ready to take off from CGK (QZ 7716) and scheduled to arrive in Bangkok at 8 pm local time..

If Bangkok is connection point, here are the options they may take to after:
http://www.bangkokairportonline.com/node/129
Maybe Colombo??  :duno:
There is a flight to Istanbul at 11:35pm...or connect to city in Thailand?

Maybe it's too far if the 5th leg will be held in Africa. Yeah, maybe Chiang Mai or Phuket, but I hope not.. Thailand is just too much  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 24, 2011, 04:43:15 AM
Teams are now ready to take off from CGK (QZ 7716) and scheduled to arrive in Bangkok at 8 pm local time..

If Bangkok is connection point, here are the options they may take to after:
http://www.bangkokairportonline.com/node/129
Maybe Colombo??  :duno:
There is a flight to Istanbul at 11:35pm...or connect to city in Thailand?

Maybe it's too far if the 5th leg will be held in Africa. Yeah, maybe Chiang Mai or Phuket, but I hope not.. Thailand is just too much  :lol:
if 4th leg in Turkey...I think this seanson's route will be Asia-Europe-Africa-USA,just guess :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: supah on June 24, 2011, 05:50:09 AM
hi guys i'm new to the blog. i just wanna say great work so far on all the spoilers im really imoressed  :)

i just wanted to give my idea, judgin from the flights out of bangkok, we've visited bangkok and phuket in TAR14 si i dont think we will be going there any time soon. but chiang mai is possible as well even though weve been there before there are plenty of locations and challenges that TAR could do there. however, there are the flights out of sri lanka. in my opinion there is no way the race is leaving asia already for another continent so sri lanka is a great possibility. we havent done much there when we visited sri lanka in TAR6 and there are great cultural/mental/physical challenges that we could do there plus the weather, congested streets and population density could make the challnges more exciting!!  :yess:
so there is that flight to colombo from bangkok which is possible

then based on the leg (s) in sri lanka if we have two legs there after i think we will move onto a new continent
OR
if we spend one leg there i think we will visit one more country in asia (possibly nepal :hugs: ) and THEN move onto another continent :-)

keep up the good work guys  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 24, 2011, 05:58:33 AM
Just a thought, but historically, how much effort have the organisers gone to to avoid monsoons and other such predictable bad weather?

So has India mainly been avoided in the summer races for example?

If they do actively avoid it, then we can rule out places like Mumbai etc. as the next stop..
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 24, 2011, 06:29:36 AM
I think thats why weihen said "pure spec" since its a speculation thread.

But I agree with weihen, signs are pointing towards the brunette girls and the older couple being eliminiated already.

Actually it could be any of the white couples except yellow. E/J, older, or no color
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 24, 2011, 06:36:01 AM
I think thats why weihen said "pure spec" since its a speculation thread.

But I agree with weihen, signs are pointing towards the brunette girls and the older couple being eliminiated already.

Actually it could be any of the white couples except yellow. E/J, older, or no color

no color couple has been checked in PS...
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2019/Yogyakarta/TAR19BM74A.png)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 24, 2011, 07:28:38 AM
We have lost three teams now right? Two in Jogja and one in the second Indo pitstop.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: docol on June 24, 2011, 07:33:08 AM
so, it's confirmed Jo-Burg as the next destination??  :res:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 24, 2011, 07:34:24 AM
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Reality show terbaik dunia akhirnya ke Indonesia. The Amazing Race US akan bertanding di Jakarta, Yogyakarta dan Magelang

16 seconds ago

Translate: The best reality show in the world finally goes to Indonesia. The Amazing Race US will be going to Jakarta, Yogyakarta, and Magelang.

Magelang is located 43 km north of Yogyakarta, and it's the closest major town to Borobudur Temple.
Link for Magelang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magelang

Finally a confirmation for Magelang :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Alfwin on June 24, 2011, 07:34:50 AM
so, it's confirmed Jo-Burg as the next destination??  :res:
I don't really think so since teams are currectly on a flight to Bangkok, Thailand.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 24, 2011, 08:57:53 AM
This morning, my friend from Kaskus (kotakcokelat) spotted them at Jogja airport buying that 13.45 flight, here are the 5 teams:
2 Blacks (M/F)
A couple with an asian (M/F)
A couple (M/F)
Blondes (F/F)

Don't know about the other 3/4 teams..  :duno:

Actually it could be any of the white couples except yellow. E/J, older, or no color

no color couple has been checked in PS...

SPECULATION: So assume weihen is right and the safe couple is that one with the blonde female. Here is who is unaccounted for:

middle aged couple
Ethan and Jenna
Hawaii girls
blue male team
Sunderlands
surfers

Three of these teams are gone and three are still racing but probably behind the top five on flights.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 24, 2011, 09:02:15 AM
Did I read somewhere that all 11 teams were on the same flight that arrives to Bangkok at 8pm? Or did that post get amended?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 24, 2011, 09:05:44 AM
Did I read somewhere that all 11 teams were on the same flight that arrives to Bangkok at 8pm? Or did that post get amended?
5 teams on flight refer to the flight jogia to jakarta,then we still don't know if all 8/9 remaining teams on same flight to Bangkok.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 24, 2011, 09:11:46 AM
The next batch of teams may have been able to make GA 209 arriving at 14.20. This would have allowed them to make the QZ 7716 which did not depart until 16.35 so all 8 active teams could have arrived in Bangkok at the same time (20.00)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 24, 2011, 09:16:36 AM
:welcome: to RFF supra3ro!!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 24, 2011, 09:23:32 AM
:welcome: to RFF supra3ro!!

Ditto! And thanks for the kind words! :<3
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on June 24, 2011, 09:27:43 AM
Phuket =  Beaches    :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 24, 2011, 09:32:03 AM
I'm a little confused by that sighting because FD3031 departed BKK at 19.00 and teams could not arrive until 20.00

Did I miss something? Hopefully he can ID the team he saw.

looks like a team go to ES.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Coutzy on June 24, 2011, 12:58:33 PM
Notes:
Apparently there was a lot of team confusion, almost all but maybe 2 or 3 of the teams had to leave the Pitstop to go back and do something. Although they don't look in a huge rush? :duno:

Perhaps they checked in then went to settle a cab fare? Does that still happen?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 24, 2011, 01:02:42 PM
I'm pretty sure they had to walk to the Pitstop. It's not far from the Detour location. In fact so close that with that orphanage stop in between I wonder if some went straight to the Pitstop Brent and Caite style.

Is the AA couple walking away from the mat?


This pic looks odd. I can't see Ethan's right arm and it looks like there is a bite out of his torso :lol:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2019/Yogyakarta/th_5c46779a.jpg) (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2019/Yogyakarta/5c46779a.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: krabbe on June 24, 2011, 01:55:36 PM
IMHO Turkey is unlikely. There's a direct flight from Jakarta to Istanbul at 6 pm every day, so I doubt they have to go through Thailand.

On Leg 2, they had to go to the pitstop on foot if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 24, 2011, 02:00:11 PM
We know that the SurferDudes ran from in front of the hospital to the PitStop. So no taxis. Whatever it was, nearly everyone had to do it. ???

And the photo looks odd because it is a panoramic shot...perhaps there is a frame missing? I think the photographer got yelled at by production right about then too. :ascared
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 24, 2011, 02:07:07 PM
Teams are now ready to take off from CGK (QZ 7716) and scheduled to arrive in Bangkok at 8 pm local time..

If Bangkok is connection point, here are the options they may take to after:
http://www.bangkokairportonline.com/node/129
Maybe Colombo??  :duno:
There is a flight to Istanbul at 11:35pm...or connect to city in Thailand?

Maybe it's too far if the 5th leg will be held in Africa. Yeah, maybe Chiang Mai or Phuket, but I hope not.. Thailand is just too much  :lol:

If they visit Africa, it would probally be on the western side of the continent, the only safe countries left in that area are Cape Verde, Sierra Leone, Togo, Benin, Cameroon, Sao Tome, Gabon, Congo Republic, and Angola.  Most of the others are in chaos.  Don't mind a revisit to Ghana (Lake Volta) and Morocco in northern Africa.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 24, 2011, 02:15:05 PM
IMHO Turkey is unlikely. There's a direct flight from Jakarta to Istanbul at 6 pm every day, so I doubt they have to go through Thailand.

On Leg 2, they had to go to the pitstop on foot if I'm not mistaken.

I haven't heard anything about Turkey but several tweets and sightings place teams in or on the way to Bangkok.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: selkie on June 24, 2011, 04:59:57 PM
Sri Lanka these days is regarded as safe enough it's probably insurable again. (There was a pretty significant round of Tamil terrorism after TAR 6 that likely prevented a repeat visit for a long time but it seems like the latest government crackdown on that is holding.)

Maybe one of these days, they'll get permission for a Bhutan leg. Seems like the government there is slightly more interested in the outside world and global tourism these days.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 24, 2011, 05:02:21 PM
Sri Lanka these days is regarded as safe enough it's probably insurable again. (There was a pretty significant round of Tamil terrorism after TAR 6 that likely prevented a repeat visit for a long time but it seems like the latest government crackdown on that is holding.)

Maybe one of these days, they'll get permission for a Bhutan leg. Seems like the government there is slightly more interested in the outside world and global tourism these days.

I doubt they went to Sri Lanka, because there is a direct flight from Jakarta to Katunayake.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on June 24, 2011, 06:56:34 PM
Here's my stab at what is happening (or has happened!)   :waves:

We got a report of two male/male teams ate CGK (Jakarta airport) going to BKK (Bangkok) posted yesterday at 9:37 pm (Pacific time) by domel.  That would mean they were spotted at about 11:30 am Friday in the Jakarta airport.  REalityTV already noted the three possible flights these teams could take.  The arrival times in BKK for those three flights are 4:05 pm, 4:15 pm, and 8:00 pm.

Later we hear the stinky tale of a team on a flight from BKK to Phuket posted today at 6:36 am (Pacific time) by Peony

Quote
Just got off a flight from Bangkok to Phuket. The guy next to my girfriend Kaisri had some kickin BO. After we landed I realized why he choose not to shower. He was part of the filming Crew for the amazing race. One of the teams were two seats in front of us. I dont watch the show but I will to see which team it was.

That aircraft exiting would have happened at about 8:20 pm Friday at the Phuket airport.  As previously noted by domel, that would have been flight FD3031 which took off from BKK at 7:00 pm.  So one or both of the two male/male teams could have made that flight had they been either of the two flights from CGK to BKK that landed at 4:05 or 4:15 pm.

My guess is that the two (or three) leading teams have hit an Hours of Operation stop at Phuket while the other 5 teams catch up.  Those teams should have arrived 3 or 4 hours later on TG 485 or TG 225.  Further supposing the HoOp opens up in the morning at 7 am then we can expect racing tweets to begin thereafter:  Doing the time conversion that is right now!   5:00 pm Pacific Time   :horsey: :horsey:


Remember:   Beaches!





Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 24, 2011, 07:02:01 PM
Here's my stab at what is happening (or has happened!)   :waves:

We got a report of two male/male teams ate CGK (Jakarta airport) going to BKK (Bangkok) posted yesterday at 9:37 pm (Pacific time) by domel.  That would mean they were spotted at about 11:30 am Friday in the Jakarta airport.  REalityTV already noted the three possible flights these teams could take.  The arrival times in BKK for those three flights are 4:05 pm, 4:15 pm, and 8:00 pm.

Later we hear the stinky tale of a team on a flight from BKK to Phuket posted today at 6:36 am (Pacific time) by Peony

Quote
Just got off a flight from Bangkok to Phuket. The guy next to my girfriend Kaisri had some kickin BO. After we landed I realized why he choose not to shower. He was part of the filming Crew for the amazing race. One of the teams were two seats in front of us. I dont watch the show but I will to see which team it was.

That aircraft exiting would have happened at about 8:20 pm Friday at the Phuket airport.  As previously noted by domel, that would have been flight FD3031 which took off from BKK at 7:00 pm.  So one or both of the two male/male teams could have made that flight had they been either of the two flights from CGK to BKK that landed at 4:05 or 4:15 pm.

My guess is that the two (or three) leading teams have hit an Hours of Operation stop at Phuket while the other 5 teams catch up.  Those teams should have arrived 3 or 4 hours later on TG 485 or TG 225.  Further supposing the HoOp opens up in the morning at 7 am then we can expect racing tweets to begin thereafter:  Doing the time conversion that is right now!   5:00 pm Pacific Time   :horsey: :horsey:


Remember:   Beaches!

Interesting point, lets get some people looking in Phuket for the teams!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Seattlite on June 24, 2011, 07:20:03 PM
Back so soon to Phuket? I would think elimination station also.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 24, 2011, 07:37:53 PM
Back so soon to Phuket? I would think elimination station also.

Nothing is confirmed so far. I believe that teams have connected to another city through Bangkok. We shall see.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 24, 2011, 07:43:28 PM
Back so soon to Phuket? I would think elimination station also.

Nothing is confirmed so far. I believe that teams have connected to another city through Bangkok. We shall see.

If they are connecting somewhere else from BKK we need to determine what availabilities there are departing after 20.00 or so. Then destinations like Singapore and Malaysia, etc. can be eliminated because they could have gone there from Jakarta.

There is also little point in considering places like Tokyo and Shanghai that would not flow in the general westerly direction.
Options that I see are: Amsterdam, Paris, Istanbul, Frankfurt and Vienna.

However Phuket still seems more likely IMO.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 24, 2011, 08:05:44 PM
Back so soon to Phuket? I would think elimination station also.

Nothing is confirmed so far. I believe that teams have connected to another city through Bangkok. We shall see.

If they are connecting somewhere else from BKK we need to determine what availabilities there are departing after 20.00 or so. Then destinations like Singapore and Malaysia, etc. can be eliminated because they could have gone there from Jakarta.

There is also little point in considering places like Tokyo and Shanghai that would not flow in the general westerly direction.
Options that I see are: Amsterdam, Paris, Istanbul, Frankfurt and Vienna.

However Phuket still seems more likely IMO.

There are plenty of locations in India which the race likes to visit that do not have flights out of Jakarta that do in Bangkok. In face there are about 30 destinations likes this across the world.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 24, 2011, 08:12:22 PM
India is rarely visited on this cycle of filming. They are in full swing monsoon season. The only summer filming that visited India was TAR 13 which was oddly filmed in April and May before the rains began.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 24, 2011, 08:16:44 PM
In the location spoilers thread, I said some hours ago:
Do we know if eliminated teams usually travel to ES with a camera crew in tow as described by that traveler on FB? That's the part that makes me wonder if this is a team that has managed to pull ahead by making some very close connections.

I paid attention to what that FB entry said, and didn't make assumptions about Phukit being this season's ES.
Last time the Race went there, it was also the ES. And it's been 10 years since the Race's original visit to the Phukit-Krabi area, and I wouldn't be surprised if this may be TPTB way of nodding the 10th anniversary and maybe getting a Flashback to leg 10 of the original Race, which is some ways is still the most difficult and beautiful single leg I think the show's ever done. This is speculation on my part, but I've been sort of expecting something like this at some point this time around, and the Phukit area would be a great place for that.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 24, 2011, 08:18:30 PM
I think the last time they visted Phuket was in season 14, not sure though.

@Prophet, anything is possible.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 24, 2011, 09:01:58 PM
Options that I see are: Amsterdam, Paris, Istanbul, Frankfurt and Vienna.


Istanbul....I like it!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on June 24, 2011, 09:43:23 PM
I think the last time they visted Phuket was in season 14, not sure though.

@Prophet, anything is possible.  :lol:

I am sure. Yes, AR14 had a visit to Phuket. AR1 did too as stataed by theSchnauzers and the finale of Amazing Race Asia 3 was in Phuket. Amazing Race Asia 1 went very close, but did not stop in Phuket.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: eddiethejet on June 24, 2011, 10:33:00 PM
Phuket =  Beaches    :tup:

every time the words phuket and beaches are mentioned, i think back to mel and mike..
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Heliox on June 24, 2011, 10:37:41 PM
Husband will be in Munich, Venice and Amsterdam this coming week.. he will be spending time in airports and he knows the race is on. One of these years he has to cross paths with the racers in Europe!! I hope.

What about one of the baltic states being visited after Thailand. Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania would be great change from the Asian start to the race.
OR Istanbul.. would be cool too!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: kevin2012 on June 24, 2011, 10:46:36 PM

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2019/Yogyakarta/5c46779a.jpg)

What the heck happened to Ethan's Body? There's a huge hole in the right side of his body and his right arm is gone! You can also see a woman through the hole!!!

Photoshop?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Zack. on June 24, 2011, 10:56:55 PM
I suspect we'll have another leg in Asia; it's a) a giant leap and b) fairly early for such a leap in (comparatively, other westward non-13 races hit their second continent on leg 7 (15) or 8 (10, 18).

As far as 'beachy' locales, Sri Lanka and Timor are out, and between Malaysia (Sabha) and Thailand (Phuket Province), the latter has greater access out to other locations through BKK. Or it could be the ES location and they're really going to the Maldives or summat  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: eddiethejet on June 24, 2011, 11:05:58 PM

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2019/Yogyakarta/5c46779a.jpg)

What the heck happened to Ethan's Body? There's a huge hole in the right side of his body and his right arm is gone! You can also see a woman through the hole!!!

Photoshop?

i thought that too...but no, it is a panoramic shot.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Reilly Queens on June 24, 2011, 11:07:15 PM
can someone explain to me all this technical stuff and Ethan being invisible and stuff?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 24, 2011, 11:14:09 PM
What makes you rule out Sri Lanka, I can't see Timor because of safety, but sticking to the beach theme Sri Lanka would be a definite possibility, which I believe has the most international flights arriving from Thailand (besides India) a week.

Ps. We finally got our icon for our webpages!!!  :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Zack. on June 24, 2011, 11:46:32 PM
What makes you rule out Sri Lanka, I can't see Timor because of safety, but sticking to the beach theme Sri Lanka would be a definite possibility, which I believe has the most international flights arriving from Thailand (besides India) a week.

Ps. We finally got our icon for our webpages!!!  :yess:

The only reason I rule out Sri Lanka is because WRP is generally stricter regarding safety issues (ie Indonesia only now being visited). Beyond that, it's not so much that I don't think Sri Lanka will host a leg but that I think Phuket is more likely to do so, what with the ease in getting to Bangkok (and then nearly anywhere) from there.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: selkie on June 24, 2011, 11:54:48 PM
One thing to remember is that just because there may be a direct/non-stop flight to the next destination doesn't mean that a Team would be allowed to take it if seats were available. Indications from Racers past are that there are far more restrictions on what airlines they can and cannot use for many legs than what makes it onto the screen.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 24, 2011, 11:57:54 PM
What makes you rule out Sri Lanka, I can't see Timor because of safety, but sticking to the beach theme Sri Lanka would be a definite possibility, which I believe has the most international flights arriving from Thailand (besides India) a week.

Ps. We finally got our icon for our webpages!!!  :yess:

The only reason I rule out Sri Lanka is because WRP is generally stricter regarding safety issues (ie Indonesia only now being visited). Beyond that, it's not so much that I don't think Sri Lanka will host a leg but that I think Phuket is more likely to do so, what with the ease in getting to Bangkok (and then nearly anywhere) from there.

I agree, but Sri Lanka has been safe for over two years I believe.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mds1978 on June 25, 2011, 12:49:13 AM

Here's my stab at what is happening (or has happened!)   

My guess is that the two (or three) leading teams have hit an Hours of Operation stop at Phuket while the other 5 teams catch up.  Those teams should have arrived 3 or 4 hours later on TG 485 or TG 225.  Further supposing the HoOp opens up in the morning at 7 am then we can expect racing tweets to begin thereafter

 :groan: I know it's just spec and maybe I'm just reading too much into my own theory, but with each new bit of info that we are finding out, it seems pretty clear to me what's going on here:

-1 or 2 teams only were spotted en route to Phuket
-2 teams were just eliminated in Indonesia
-they were with a production person but no one reported the team(s) being filmed
-Ko Samui was last season's ES, and it wasn't the first time this ES has been used
-there are at least four daily non-stop flights to Ko Samui from Phuket, and to get from Jakarta to Ko Samui you have to go through Bangkok and from there either directly or via Phuket
-they did a leg in Phuket just two years ago on TAR14
-with all of the sightings being reported, there isn't one that mentions all of the other teams being spotted heading toward Phuket, and if so many people have spotted them throughout Indonesia, how could they possibly make their way through an airport like Bangkok without at least one person tweeting about it?

To me, the most logical explanation is that these are sightings of the eliminated team(s) heading toward ES in Ko Samui. Am I just drinking too much of my own Kool-Aid? Perhaps. But it seems like a slam dunk to me what's going on here.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 25, 2011, 12:56:42 AM
^^agreed. Only 3 teams were elim in Indonesia, as far as we know.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 25, 2011, 12:58:25 AM
I agree with this, I think its much more likely that this is what the sightings were. Is it possible then that the remaining racers are still at the pit stop? Or will they have begun leg 4 by now?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Lutpay on June 25, 2011, 12:59:24 AM
I agree with this, I think its much more likely that this is what the sightings were. Is it possible then that the remaining racers are still at the pit stop? Or will they have begun leg 4 by now?

100% NO. They're spotted out of Jakarta.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 25, 2011, 01:08:10 AM
I agree with this, I think its much more likely that this is what the sightings were. Is it possible then that the remaining racers are still at the pit stop? Or will they have begun leg 4 by now?

100% NO. They're spotted out of Jakarta.

Was there any indication as to when exactly this photo was taken? Was it immediately before the post?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Lutpay on June 25, 2011, 01:09:51 AM
I agree with this, I think its much more likely that this is what the sightings were. Is it possible then that the remaining racers are still at the pit stop? Or will they have begun leg 4 by now?

100% NO. They're spotted out of Jakarta.

Was there any indication as to when exactly this photo was taken? Was it immediately before the post?

24 hours ago
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 25, 2011, 01:10:29 AM
I agree with this, I think its much more likely that this is what the sightings were. Is it possible then that the remaining racers are still at the pit stop? Or will they have begun leg 4 by now?

100% NO. They're spotted out of Jakarta.

Was there any indication as to when exactly this photo was taken? Was it immediately before the post?

24 hours ago

Ah ok, so that means we've lost them.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: LoveRocked on June 25, 2011, 02:38:43 AM
^^agreed. Only 3 teams were elim in Indonesia, as far as we know.

who elim in Indonesia?
-older couple?
-who??
-who??
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on June 25, 2011, 05:56:59 AM
Hopefully not the Hawaiian girls...  :neener:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: redskevin88 on June 25, 2011, 06:47:56 AM
Reality TV Tavern say the fourth leg is in Johannesburg, South Africa.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on June 25, 2011, 06:53:27 AM
Reality TV Tavern say the fourth leg is in Johannesburg, South Africa.

:lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Coutzy on June 25, 2011, 07:13:13 AM
Reality TV Tavern say the fourth leg is in Johannesburg, South Africa.

:lol:

Checking this thread is not the best way to stay unspoiled, Cocoa :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 25, 2011, 08:03:01 AM
Reality TV Tavern say the fourth leg is in Johannesburg, South Africa.

:lol:

:lol3: :funny:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Belle Book on June 25, 2011, 11:17:41 AM
Hopefully not the Hawaiian girls...  :neener:

I hope not either!

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on June 25, 2011, 11:31:00 AM
Reality TV Tavern say the fourth leg is in Johannesburg, South Africa.

I don't know, but Johannesburg makes great sense to me. That means it was an extended pit stop in Jogyakarta, which makes their departure from Jakarta in time for the flight combination to Singapore or Kuala Lumpur (but not Bangkok) for nonstop flights from there. If you want the detailed flights, visit the Transportation thread, post 29.

The two racers going from Bangkok to Phuket were most logically eliminated and running decoy to attract our attention (boy, did they succeed).
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 25, 2011, 11:46:23 AM
At Borobudur?  We have sightings of teams leaving JOG 6/25 Indonesian time using Indonesian Air asia JOG>>Jakarta arr 145 PM. We have airport sightings in Jakarta, with "overheard" asking for Bangkok.

All the Jo-burg spec is based totally on nothing more than some of us wanting to see a TAR 1 LEG 1 redo to celebrate the 10 year TAR anniversary.

There is NO evidence for Jo-burg beyond that that I am aware of.

Africa is nearly a certainty, but Jo-burg was just a dream.

Now is the time for everyone to look hard. Twitter and FB can help, but so can searching blogs, and all the major photo sites. With all of us looking, they will reappear!!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 25, 2011, 11:50:40 AM
Can I add a reminder that "live" bloggers and photo site users may be posting their stuff a few days behind the actual events. We're getting so used to FB and twitter's instant gratification, we tend to forget that blogs were a mainstay for information just a couple of years ago!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 25, 2011, 03:51:10 PM
I have a gut feeling Thailand was a cover up by producers and teams went somewhere sightings would be unlikely.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on June 25, 2011, 07:09:02 PM
At Borobudur?  We have sightings of teams leaving JOG 6/25 Indonesian time using Indonesian Air asia JOG>>Jakarta arr 145 PM. We have airport sightings in Jakarta, with "overheard" asking for Bangkok.

All the Jo-burg spec is based totally on nothing more than some of us wanting to see a TAR 1 LEG 1 redo to celebrate the 10 year TAR anniversary.

There is NO evidence for Jo-burg beyond that that I am aware of.

Africa is nearly a certainty, but Jo-burg was just a dream.

Now is the time for everyone to look hard. Twitter and FB can help, but so can searching blogs, and all the major photo sites. With all of us looking, they will reappear!!

Peach, you said that an extended pit stop was unlikely, yet it has happened. My Johannesburg idea is pure speculation, but it is based on solid logic:
1. It will take teams still in AR19 a combination of 2 flights to get to either Kuala Lumpur or Singapore.
2. From there they could go elsewhere in Asia (but I don't expect to see that), r directly to Europe (but I think it is too soon for that). That leaves Africa.
3. Having already flown 2 flight segments, although all of Africa is theoretically possible, I think it is most likely that teams would go to somewhere that is nonstop from Kuala Lumpur or Singapore. That would be Johannesburg on MH203 or SQ478 or Cairo on SQ492.
4. MH203 departed at 0100 on Saturday 25June but does not fly on Sunday 26 June, so that is out. The flight to Cairo is on the books in one system, but another that I trust totally says no such flight for 26June. Only SQ478 Singapore dep. Sunday 26June 0200 arriving Monday 0700 is a real possibility.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 25, 2011, 07:16:39 PM
1. I haven't seen one piece of evidence that would indicate a trip to Africa at this juncture.

2. Neither have I seen any reason to assume that teams were ever intending to reach either Kuala Lumpur or Singapore.

3. I have seen multiple evidences that teams were on a flight to Bangkok that landed at 20.00 on June 24th

4. I have also read evidence that teams were not on an extended pitstop, as they were seen in the Jogja airport boarding a flight to Jakarta on June 24th.

5. I seriously doubt a visit to Cairo this season for multiple reasons.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 25, 2011, 07:21:45 PM
We don't know what time teams finished the Borobudur leg, yet we do know that 5 teams (possibly a second group??) were on the flight that arr Jakarta 145PM.

So yes, up to an 18 hour Pitstop is possible...a 24-36 hour one is not.

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: BayBay on June 25, 2011, 09:20:56 PM
We don't know what time teams finished the Borobudur leg, yet we do know that 5 teams (possibly a second group??) were on the flight that arr Jakarta 145PM.

So yes, up to an 18 hour Pitstop is possible...a 24-36 hour one is not.

Maybe they are coming to Australia again  :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on June 25, 2011, 11:01:29 PM
I have a gut feeling Thailand was a cover up by producers and teams went somewhere sightings would be unlikely.

Mongolia or Kazkahstan  :jam:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 25, 2011, 11:32:33 PM
I wonder no sightings about 4th leg...looks like they should go to some remote place...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 26, 2011, 12:21:41 AM
found this on twitter

@stealthpea zomg amazing race in Sg again? Err yishun is damn ulu haha good luck to contestants finding the place.

Is it possible or is ita local race?

Singapore?yishun never been visited in previous season...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 26, 2011, 12:55:32 AM
Yishun Park is SIngapore. I want to take a look at google earth.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: LoveRocked on June 26, 2011, 01:05:36 AM
Yishun Park is SIngapore. I want to take a look at google earth.

Yeah, me too.. I check google maps but Yishun Park has many like 2nd Yishun Park, 11 Yishun Park Singapore, as possible list.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Lutpay on June 26, 2011, 01:07:18 AM
Yishun Park is SIngapore. I want to take a look at google earth.

Yeah, me too.. I check google maps but Yishun Park has many like 2nd Yishun Park, 11 Yishun Park Singapore, as possible list.

Not Singapore again, I believe. It's already 2pm in Singapore. I doubt teams will be racing at night there.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 26, 2011, 01:11:34 AM
2 PM is the middle of the afternoon. I am the one in the middle of the night. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: eddiethejet on June 26, 2011, 01:16:31 AM
2 PM is the middle of the afternoon. I am the one in the middle of the night. :lol:

i second that...haha
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on June 26, 2011, 01:39:43 AM
I live in Yishun. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 26, 2011, 01:41:30 AM
So why are you here?? GOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: eddiethejet on June 26, 2011, 01:42:09 AM
I live in Yishun. :lol:

nvm. 
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: eddiethejet on June 26, 2011, 01:42:32 AM
Go to the park and confirm for us!!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: TARA fan on June 26, 2011, 08:16:09 AM
hi all. singaporean here. any updated news as to whether amazing race is in singapore? anything i can be of help?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 26, 2011, 08:22:02 AM
Thanks! But no...they are apparently NOT in Singapore. See the LIVE thread for details.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 26, 2011, 09:57:42 AM
Okay guys, here's another info I got while they're out from Indonesia.
Source: http://twitter.com/#!/msindyjansen99

She said she was on the same flight to PHUKET, with blondes, grandmother grandfather, a couple with asian, and THE OTHER TEAMS.

I'm not 100% sure about this, but we can conclude that we just got our first three eliminated teams, right?
Blue M/M, Ethan & Jenna, and Hawaiian girls.

Only time will tell  :waves:
I'm sorry but I think we can't confirm no color couple safe since I realized their check in pic is leg2 not leg3... :-[

My friend spotted that couple in Jogja airport buying AirAsia flight to Jakarta with 4 other teams. I posted that before, but I forgot to add that was 'young couple'. I only wrote 'a couple'
If this is true...can't believe E/J out so early :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on June 26, 2011, 12:01:29 PM
many churches in singapore likes to conduct their very own Amazing Race Singapore, hmm, also for Soka Associations, i was invited to be their Phil Keoghan or Allan Wu for 2 times just last year alone, both churches asked me to helped them

Yishun is in the northern terrority in Singapore, the nearest famous landmark there is Chong Pang Hot Springs, which opens only from 7am to 7pm
Yishun Park is SIngapore. I want to take a look at google earth.

Yeah, me too.. I check google maps but Yishun Park has many like 2nd Yishun Park, 11 Yishun Park Singapore, as possible list.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 26, 2011, 12:20:47 PM
Since that more recent posting indicates there were "other" teams on the flight to Phukit as the three labeled teams mentioned, that tells us, at the same time, that we can't say who the three teams were for certain that were eliminated in the 2 Indonesian legs, and at the same time rate the Phukit lead as more likely than not.
I don't think we can really say anything more than that,
I don't like making assumptions with so little to work with. (I have a saying that applies here perfectly: "Assumptions are dangerous."
After I wasn't able to find Yishun Park on Google Earth, I went to bed.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 26, 2011, 12:25:36 PM
Finally...a USEFUL sig!! :lol:  Thanks Evan!

BUT they were not in Singapore, at least not at Yishun park anyway.

Until we have a firm sighting, I think all this who was eliminated info may need to be considered spec for now....

With the next sighting all will be clearer, I think.

Now...in TAR 14 I think we didn't see them in Phuket either...but could they have gone somewhere else nearby? Odd to re-use Phuket so soon, so where could they have been that was close but "different"??

And transportation options OUT of there are now of interest...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on June 26, 2011, 12:40:57 PM
Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam??

I have a gut feeling that TAR19 will not go to Africa this time, i hope i am not
Now...in TAR 14 I think we didn't see them in Phuket either...but could they have gone somewhere else nearby? Odd to re-use Phuket so soon, so where could they have been that was close but "different"??

And transportation options OUT of there are now of interest...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 26, 2011, 12:56:44 PM
Krabi, where season one went, is 25-30 miles from Phukit. As I recall, TAR 14 stayed much closer than that to Phukit proper. So it's also possible that flights to Phukit were the closest flights in to whereever they might have gone in the region.
I originally suggested the possibility of Krabi because of leg 10, and the show has never said there wouldn't ever be another Switchback, and, as I posted before, I think leg 10 of season 1 was one of the most challenging legs the show has ever done. But as I recall, there are a lot of offshore islands in that area (wasn't Survivor Thailand just offshore from Phukit?) so I think there are all sorts of possibilities.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Snooky on June 26, 2011, 01:16:24 PM
Reality TV Tavern say the fourth leg is in Johannesburg, South Africa.

:lol:
:lol: I think that was spec.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: redwings8831 on June 26, 2011, 01:27:43 PM
Reality TV Tavern say the fourth leg is in Johannesburg, South Africa.

:lol:
:lol: I think that was spec.
:snicker:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Seattlite on June 26, 2011, 05:58:41 PM
There are a lot of small islands around Phuket but other then beaches not much to do. You can look up popular James Bond beach for example. I still think the race has gone elsewhere.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on June 26, 2011, 06:07:38 PM
Krabi, where season one went, is 25-30 miles from Phukit. As I recall, TAR 14 stayed much closer than that to Phukit proper. So it's also possible that flights to Phukit were the closest flights in to whereever they might have gone in the region.
I originally suggested the possibility of Krabi because of leg 10, and the show has never said there wouldn't ever be another Switchback, and, as I posted before, I think leg 10 of season 1 was one of the most challenging legs the show has ever done. But as I recall, there are a lot of offshore islands in that area (wasn't Survivor Thailand just offshore from Phukit?) so I think there are all sorts of possibilities.

Krabi, Phuket.. BUT, I really beg to differ. Phuket is so popularized by tourist from around the world and there's no way a race is there without being spotted. The last time they went to the less recognised locations, so I understand. But other than those locations, there's no where else interesting on that island for a revisit except for Patong Beach and the downtown area, which there's many people.. so can't be nobody spotted them!!

And for James Bond Island or Phi Phi Island, it's really JUST small islands and nothing much there for you to do. (I've been there) There's no way an entire leg can be held on the small islands. It's literally, SMALL as the small suggest. LOL.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 26, 2011, 06:51:28 PM
In the first season, leg 10  did involve those "small islands" as the teams never came near Phukit or the international airport until it was time for the final four teams to fly to Beijing. Since there's no evidence that teams flew into Phukit to connect to a different place by another flight, that wasn't easier to do  by flying to that other place from Jakarta, the possibility of a leg in the area but away from Phukit proper, such as Krabi can't be foreclosed. Teams could have travel 50 or even 100 miles along the coast, especially towards and then south of Krabi with little problem. (I doubt they would have gone that far north along the coast north of the airport simply because of the border with Myrammar/Burma.) Again, just a reminder, the one leg of TAR Classic was away from tourist attractions as such and involved climbing and scuba, and kayak, and at one point, a provided piloted boat (to "Chicken Island" which is labeled on Google Earth, btw.) The whole leg until the pit stop at Pai Plong Beach was activity-driven and not touristy places as in TAR 14.
I'm open to the possibility of TPTB "reusing" that Pai Plong leg activities-type leg if not those actual activities at those actual locations. I'm also open to hearing if there are any temples in the area that might fit in the with other temples teams have already visited this season. Just another possibility.
I'm not saying that the Race definitely went to Krabi. But it certainly makes sense to stay away from the areas the Race visited in TAR 14, so looking further away makes sense to me as a possibility.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 26, 2011, 07:01:20 PM
Sounds reasonable to me!

....needs to rewatch that episode...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 26, 2011, 07:04:03 PM
Sounds reasonable to me!

....needs to rewatch that episode...

Team! Phil just tweeted, isn't there a option of checking where the tweet came from? I have no clue how to do that though  :groan:

Scratch that I learned how to do that, and if it was in fact Phil tweeting he was not in a 100 mile radius of Phuket.  :lol: :snicker:

Anyways, maybe teams went to Myanmar?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 26, 2011, 07:06:24 PM
I can't imagine they would do five straight Asia legs...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: paldog123456 on June 26, 2011, 07:09:43 PM
I can't imagine they would do five straight Asia legs...

They did 6 in TAR 10, though I thought that was a little bit too much.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 26, 2011, 07:12:05 PM
Forgot about that...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 26, 2011, 07:14:13 PM
Asia in a sense is broad. Taiwan/Indonesia/Thailand could be considered the same region due the similarities in the people, culture etc.

TAR 10, did 4 legs in East Asia, one in South Asia and one in Middle East. I think that is what Prophet is trying to convey.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 26, 2011, 07:17:17 PM
Yes, I did mean that those are in a similar region. :tup: Some viewers will probably already be confused with there being both Taiwan and Thailand. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 26, 2011, 07:23:40 PM
Yes, I did mean that those are in a similar region. :tup: Some viewers will probably already be confused with there being both Taiwan and Thailand. :lol:

:lol: Or the striking similarities between Thailand and Jogja.

Another thing, there has been no tweets with the words "amazing race" from a 100 mile radius of Phuket. I doubt the teams did a leg there rather they took a transfer flight.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 26, 2011, 07:33:23 PM
I still think that is a lot of transfer flights. Why even fly from BKK to Phuket when BKK is a better airport. Besides if they flew somewhere after Phuket it would be their fifth airport of the day. I can't recall that they usually use that many connections.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 26, 2011, 07:39:52 PM
I still think that is a lot of transfer flights. Why even fly from BKK to Phuket when BKK is a better airport. Besides if they flew somewhere after Phuket it would be their fifth airport of the day. I can't recall that they usually use that many connections.

If they were doing that it must have been to a destination that can be flown out of Phuket. If Phuket is reachable from either Jogja or Jakarta then Phuket likely was a leg.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 26, 2011, 07:47:40 PM
I don't think Soekarno-Hatta flies to Phuket. At least not very often.

However if they were connecting somewhere else they would have done so from BKK. It is the third busiest airport in all Asia. Like TS was saying they probably accessed some islands or other remote areas from Phuket.


UPDATE: It appears that HKT in Phuket mainly flies to Hong Kong, Singapore, Beijing, and Kuala Lumpur. All locations that could be reached from Jakarta and certainly Bangkok as well.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 26, 2011, 08:03:18 PM
Why even fly from BKK to Phuket when BKK is a better airport.

To GET to Phuket?? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: amazing race fan on June 26, 2011, 08:12:56 PM
I am just speculating, but I think they went to a really small island, similar to Season 16's visit to Seychelles. They probably right now are on their way to the next destination after this unknown Leg #4. Does anyone know what leg they probably would be on right now?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 26, 2011, 08:18:15 PM
One island chain the Race hasn't been to yet is the Maldives, an independent chain of islands in the middle of the Indian Ocean that may be completely submerged in about 40-50 years due to the rising of ocean water levels with the melting of polar ice caps in both the northern and southern hemisphere.

I've thought of that one in the past, and with the Seychelles already visited, it's still a place the Race hasn't been to.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 26, 2011, 08:25:05 PM
One island chain the Race hasn't been to yet is the Maldives, an independent chain of islands in the middle of the Indian Ocean that may be completely submerged in about 40-50 years due to the rising of ocean water levels with the melting of polar ice caps in both the northern and southern hemisphere.

I've thought of that one in the past, and with the Seychelles already visited, it's still a place the Race hasn't been to.

The thing with the Maldives is, they have plenty of tourists so at least a sighting should have occurred. Someone check travel blogs etc..
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 26, 2011, 08:30:37 PM
Why even fly from BKK to Phuket when BKK is a better airport.

To GET to Phuket?? :lol:

I meant if they were going somewhere else like Leafsfan said.

What you said peach is exactly what I was implying :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: kiki on June 26, 2011, 11:22:58 PM
One island chain the Race hasn't been to yet is the Maldives, an independent chain of islands in the middle of the Indian Ocean that may be completely submerged in about 40-50 years due to the rising of ocean water levels with the melting of polar ice caps in both the northern and southern hemisphere.

I've thought of that one in the past, and with the Seychelles already visited, it's still a place the Race hasn't been to.

The thing with the Maldives is, they have plenty of tourists so at least a sighting should have occurred. Someone check travel blogs etc..

It's the off season now for Maldives. There are significant less tourists than they are in winter, so less chances for a sighting.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on June 26, 2011, 11:56:01 PM
Sounds reasonable to me!

....needs to rewatch that episode...

Team! Phil just tweeted, isn't there a option of checking where the tweet came from? I have no clue how to do that though  :groan:

Scratch that I learned how to do that, and if it was in fact Phil tweeting he was not in a 100 mile radius of Phuket.  :lol: :snicker:

Anyways, maybe teams went to Myanmar?

By now Phil may be at the next leg location.   :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: amazing race fan on June 27, 2011, 12:38:57 AM
Sounds reasonable to me!

....needs to rewatch that episode...

Team! Phil just tweeted, isn't there a option of checking where the tweet came from? I have no clue how to do that though  :groan:

Scratch that I learned how to do that, and if it was in fact Phil tweeting he was not in a 100 mile radius of Phuket.  :lol: :snicker:

Anyways, maybe teams went to Myanmar?

By now Phil may be at the next leg location.   :duno:

We will soon be finding out. I assume they will be moving onto a new continent if they have not already, and if it is europe, we will most likely get many sightings.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on June 27, 2011, 12:51:15 AM
Leafsfan has given me an idea.. Does anyone know if you search for tweets by location, does it base the location on the actual GPS coordinates of the device or just the registered location/home of the user?

The widest radius you can have is 2500 kilometers, so if its by GPS location, we should be able to narrow down where Phil tweeted from through trial and error. If its by his registered location, we're out of luck again!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: eddiethejet on June 27, 2011, 01:34:10 AM
Leafsfan has given me an idea.. Does anyone know if you search for tweets by location, does it base the location on the actual GPS coordinates of the device or just the registered location/home of the user?

The widest radius you can have is 2500 kilometers, so if its by GPS location, we should be able to narrow down where Phil tweeted from through trial and error. If its by his registered location, we're out of luck again!

it doesnt necessarily have to be phil.  it could be any of his assistants just to throw us off.  an example would be when obama makes a facebook update.  i dont think its obama making those. 
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on June 27, 2011, 06:43:09 AM
Maybe they're trying to do The Amazing Race Asia. *pun intended* :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on June 27, 2011, 09:45:50 AM
I don't think Soekarno-Hatta flies to Phuket. At least not very often.

However if they were connecting somewhere else they would have done so from BKK. It is the third busiest airport in all Asia. Like TS was saying they probably accessed some islands or other remote areas from Phuket.


UPDATE: It appears that HKT in Phuket mainly flies to Hong Kong, Singapore, Beijing, and Kuala Lumpur. All locations that could be reached from Jakarta and certainly Bangkok as well.

Let's talk specifics here. From CGK to HKT directly, there is one flight per day, QZ7744 1600 1850.  Using Bangkok as a connecting point, there were 20 flights per day from Bangkok to Phuket on both June 24 and 25. If teams did go to Phuket from Jakarta, which would the better choice have been (unless a team were in the perfect time frame and availability to get QZ7744)?

Another route to Phuket is connecting in Singapore. There are 10 daily flights from Singapore into Phuket
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 27, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
Leafsfan has given me an idea.. Does anyone know if you search for tweets by location, does it base the location on the actual GPS coordinates of the device or just the registered location/home of the user?

The widest radius you can have is 2500 kilometers, so if its by GPS location, we should be able to narrow down where Phil tweeted from through trial and error. If its by his registered location, we're out of luck again!

it doesnt necessarily have to be phil.  it could be any of his assistants just to throw us off.  an example would be when obama makes a facebook update.  i dont think its obama making those.

Worth a shot!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 27, 2011, 10:07:53 AM
I did notice that before the race Phil would tweet from his Iphone. That of course doesn't work overseas so now they say "via web"
The most useful info I think you can get from that is that either it is someone at an office somewhere doing it for him or he is in a hotel. He would certainly not be doing so during a leg. I guess it is possible at this point that leg 5 (the one after Thailand) was complete when he tweeted that last night.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 28, 2011, 09:36:24 AM
By looking at the Facebook page and official website it suggests the tours run between Zambia and Malawi. Zambia however is heavily featured compared to Malawi.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 28, 2011, 11:06:16 AM
However, the tour company would not be emphasizing promoting Malawi if they were going to do the leg in Zambia.

But hey, I would be all in favor of TWO legs right here!! TBC anyone?? :lol: (pure wish, not even spec, don't get excited)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: amazing race fan on June 28, 2011, 11:22:17 AM
Peach, was that just speculation when you said that Kenya was the 5th leg or is there any info behind that?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 28, 2011, 11:27:43 AM
Peach, as I suggested in the locations thread, I think there is likely to be another African leg after Malawi simply so the teams can get to a better place for flights out of the region, such as Johannesburg. Otherwise, there's going to need to be a leg after Malawi where teams are likely to have a long period of travel, and I suspect that your speculation about Kenya (or Tanzania, or or Mozambique, etc.) being the previous leg may well be on target. This is all just my opinion folks!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: GelliBeanz on June 28, 2011, 11:53:59 AM
When I was first starting to sift through social sites I had found a post by a man who had said something about having seen the Amazing Race teams .. or something like that.  This was on FB and a couple of days after they'd sort of disappeared.  Didn't say where he was on his page, but I peeked at a few of his friends and they all said they were in Kenya.  I didn't post at the time as I figured it'd show up here if it were anything.  Now I am really wondering if there wasn't something to it.  :umn:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 28, 2011, 11:55:28 AM
Do you think you could find it again?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 28, 2011, 11:57:45 AM
Can you find that post or the member and send it me please? You can email me (address in my profile) since you cannot PM yet, and we don't post FB names...


And :welcome2: to RFF, LOVE your name!!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: GelliBeanz on June 28, 2011, 12:00:51 PM
I'm looking through my history files as we speak!  lol
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 28, 2011, 12:04:48 PM
One more post and you can PM me :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: GelliBeanz on June 28, 2011, 12:27:12 PM
 :yess:   Okay finally found him and sent you the link to his page.  It's not much but ya' never know!  :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on June 28, 2011, 12:36:49 PM
i thinnk eruope next
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Declive on June 28, 2011, 02:22:24 PM
Leg 1- Taiwan
Leg 2- Indonésia
Leg 3- Indonésia
Leg 4- Thailand (Phuket)
Leg 5- Kenia
Leg 6- Malawi

Leg 7 - Africa
Leg 8 - South America
Leg 9 - South America
Leg 10 - Central America
Leg 11 - Central America.

What do you guys think about this possible route? No Europe will be surprising for sure.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 28, 2011, 02:27:04 PM
But do you have any basis for believing there will be no Europe?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 28, 2011, 02:28:59 PM
I think we will see Europe.... :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Declive on June 28, 2011, 04:01:56 PM
No. I just posted what i think it's gonna happen.
But i think europe would be on the leg7,probably Servia,Spain or Portugal,what do you guys think?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on June 28, 2011, 04:32:34 PM
There has been no visits to Central America since AR8, so I agree with the notion of AR19 doing one or two stops there. The only visits were AR3 to Mexico City and the Mayan Riviera and AR8 to Panama City and Costa Rica. There was also Jamaica in AR7, but although Caribbean islands are technically North America I don't tend believe that is where AR19 will go.

I disagree on no Europe. It is summer in Europe, the most likely time to visit it. I think 3 legs there are likely. I expect no legs in South America for AR19.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 28, 2011, 04:43:34 PM
There has been no visits to Central America since AR8, so I agree with the notion of AR19 doing one or two stops there. The only visits were AR3 to Mexico City and the Mayan Riviera and AR8 to Panama City and Costa Rica.

I disagree on no Europe. It is summer in Europe, the most likely time to visit it. I think 3 legs there are likely. I expect no legs in South America for AR19.

Maybe something like what they did with Amazing Race 7, Africa to Europe instead of India then through the Caribbean (possibly Central America)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mds1978 on June 28, 2011, 05:29:20 PM
 :umn:

Wait a second. I've been keeping a close watch on this site over the past week and unless I'm missing something major, what evidence is there that Phuket was an actual leg of the race? I don't recall a single sighting there other than a few teams being spotted in the airport ONLY. Not being filmed, by the way.

Today I see several posts that are very definitive about Phuket being the fourth leg, with no disclaimer that it's just speculation. So what am I missing?

I know people get very excited when new info starts coming in, and many want to be the first to post the latest updated timelines, but when someone throws out some spec and then a few people repeat it, suddenly it turns into "fact" and everyone assumes it's confirmed. It's very confusing and frustrating when this distinction isn't made clear, especially when you're following these threads as regularly as I do and you suddenly see that in the two hours since last browsing that things that were just speculation are now being reported as confirmed, and I'm left scratching my head wondering what I missed and on what basis things are being considered confirmed.

Peach usually does a great job distinguishing this when people post stuff, but even today she seems to be confirming the 4th leg being in Phuket, and again, I'm not sure what I'm missing because I don't recall seeing any sightings other than the airport. Could someone please clarify?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 28, 2011, 05:32:20 PM
There have been several good posts that explain why this is likely. My argument is this:

1. We know all teams were on a flight from Bangkok to Phuket.

2. There is no good reason for them to fly from Jakarta to Bangkok to Phuket except that they were doing a leg in the area.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 28, 2011, 05:40:38 PM
The link to the safari on facebook doesn't work anymore!  :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mds1978 on June 28, 2011, 05:48:42 PM
There have been several good posts that explain why this is likely. My argument is this:

1. We know all teams were on a flight from Bangkok to Phuket.

2. There is no good reason for them to fly from Jakarta to Bangkok to Phuket except that they were doing a leg in the area.
:groan:

Read my previous posts about this. Specifically, about the perfectly good reasons that a few teams would be spotted in Phuket (and it was a few, not all teams, that were spotted in Phuket) if they were on their way to Elimination Station, which is probably the same one used last season in Ko Samui. I showed how flights through Phuket were over $300 cheaper than the ones that went through Bangkok only.

Am I missing the tweet that reported that all of the teams and crew were spotted in Phuket? And not just in the airport...speaking of which, if Phuket was the destination point, wouldn't the sighting(s) have been of the teams rushing to leave the airport? And isn't that the type of stuff they usually like to film?

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 28, 2011, 06:05:47 PM
I believe that the sightings on flights headed towards Phuket had more teams (five?) than the number of teams that would have been eliminated by then (three.)

If teams only flew into Phuket, and then went on to locations 50 to 100 miles away from the airport, then there wouldn't likely have been many sightings in Phuket. Yes, the information requires circumstantial evidence, but it's not clear that the conclusion that the ES being in the area this season isn't cut-and-dry either.

We've been able to deduce legs from one airport sighting in other recent seasons, (We had a bit of that in several of the recent seasons), so we'll have to wait and see what other pieces of the mosaic ultimately come ontp the table.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mds1978 on June 28, 2011, 06:29:45 PM
Was any team spotted leaving the airport in Phuket? Is there any indication whatsoever that at least one team, at the very least, was headed toward the exit of the airport?

Having been there myself, I know that there's only one terminal area and one place to catch a taxi. Because it's a popular tourist spot, there are tons of Western travelers at the airport. They would have been spotted, even if leaving Phuket proper...they would have been noticed leaving the airport.
_________

ETA: The bigger point I'm trying to make here is not whether leg #4 is Phuket or not, but rather to find out what criteria, if any, is being used to determine what is speculation and what is confirmed. Usually it's the latter only after there's photo evidence to back it up, and/or more than one person tweets about it/posts a facebook update. Otherwise you're relying on one person's tweet with no evidence, like that jared kid at the start of this race....and we all know how that turned out.

Is there not some sort of standard used for making such distinctions? If not, shouldn't there be?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Declive on June 28, 2011, 06:34:20 PM
Yeah,this flight to Phuket it's a mistery...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Declive on June 28, 2011, 06:35:09 PM
Well,but we already have Malawi and Kenya,right?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 28, 2011, 06:43:19 PM
Well,but we already have Malawi and Kenya,right?

Nothing is confirmed at this point, however Malawi is all but assured and Kenya is speculation at this point.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 28, 2011, 06:53:22 PM
Was any team spotted leaving the airport in Phuket? Is there any indication whatsoever that at least one team, at the very least, was headed toward the exit of the airport?

Having been there myself, I know that there's only one terminal area and one place to catch a taxi. Because it's a popular tourist spot, there are tons of Western travelers at the airport. They would have been spotted, even if leaving Phuket proper...they would have been noticed leaving the airport.
_________

ETA: The bigger point I'm trying to make here is not whether leg #4 is Phuket or not, but rather to find out what criteria, if any, is being used to determine what is speculation and what is confirmed. Usually it's the latter only after there's photo evidence to back it up, and/or more than one person tweets about it/posts a facebook update. Otherwise you're relying on one person's tweet with no evidence, like that jared kid at the start of this race....and we all know how that turned out.

Is there not some sort of standard used for making such distinctions? If not, shouldn't there be?

They were spotted, that's how we know they were there. This is the post that clarifies that I believe.

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25526.msg622044.html#msg622044

There were too many teams to be headed to ES. I don't know why there were not other sightings but that does not mean they were not there.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 28, 2011, 07:01:10 PM
Also the timing of that Twitter sighting fit with what was already known. There was another sighting of teams in Jogja airport and then in Jakarta buying tickets for a flight to Bangkok. These flights were verified to exist and be plausible using the Internet. So the time she saw teams in Phuket correlated to the arrival time of the flight from Bangkok to there.

So the assumption is made because all the pieces fit together. These sort of things are investigated by the many astute detectives and other contributors here. Not just created based on one sighting. I love photos as well but unfortunately many times one has to make logical leaps without them.

Believe me if Peach is not warning us that it is still spec then we're probably safe. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 28, 2011, 07:18:27 PM
I will say this...the flight evidence is pretty conclusive that NON eliminated teams flew to Phuket.

Whether or not they remained there, or perhaps went on to Krabi, for instance, is not determined.

I would have to look back to be sure...but seems to me that the TAR 14 teams may not have been spotted there either...perhaps too many backpackers? :lol:

Examining all the evidence is always a good thing, though.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 28, 2011, 07:19:39 PM
The link to the safari on facebook doesn't work anymore!  :groan:

Gee, I wonder WHY that is?? :lol:

Thank goodness for screencaps!! ;)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: guacamole300 on June 28, 2011, 07:37:07 PM

I would have to look back to be sure...but seems to me that the TAR 14 teams may not have been spotted there either...

I remember the photo of Margie/Luke with the rickshaw, and the whole Luke's ankle being a man or a woman's debate, and I think I remember Tammy/Victor being spotted too

but moving on...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on June 28, 2011, 07:43:08 PM
There have been several good posts that explain why this is likely. My argument is this:

1. We know all teams were on a flight from Bangkok to Phuket.

2. There is no good reason for them to fly from Jakarta to Bangkok to Phuket except that they were doing a leg in the area.
:groan:

Read my previous posts about this. Specifically, about the perfectly good reasons that a few teams would be spotted in Phuket (and it was a few, not all teams, that were spotted in Phuket) if they were on their way to Elimination Station, which is probably the same one used last season in Ko Samui. I showed how flights through Phuket were over $300 cheaper than the ones that went through Bangkok only.

Am I missing the tweet that reported that all of the teams and crew were spotted in Phuket? And not just in the airport...speaking of which, if Phuket was the destination point, wouldn't the sighting(s) have been of the teams rushing to leave the airport? And isn't that the type of stuff they usually like to film?


I think you missed this post:  regarding the $300 cheaper flights

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25487.msg621865.html#msg621865

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 28, 2011, 08:10:55 PM

I would have to look back to be sure...but seems to me that the TAR 14 teams may not have been spotted there either...

I remember the photo of Margie/Luke with the rickshaw, and the whole Luke's ankle being a man or a woman's debate, and I think I remember Tammy/Victor being spotted too

but moving on...

Thanks guacamole! NOT  TAR 14 then, maybe TARA 2?? In any case, an island somewhere :lol:that quite shocked me that no one was spotted. It happens, we can only look harder. Somewhere there may be a tourist on the way home who will upload some photos in a week..or two..or three...or perhaps this will be one of those fun legs where we get to be a little surprised ourselves!

It happens, we can only go with the info we have, and sometimes that can be interpreted in more than one way.

In any case, critical examination of ALL the evidence is what we do.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: eddiethejet on June 28, 2011, 10:55:25 PM
That safari link for facebook doesnt work anymore bc it was a direct link to the post and it was removed.  However, the fan page for the company is still there.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Land-Lake-Safaris/215299195169191 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Land-Lake-Safaris/215299195169191)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 28, 2011, 11:04:34 PM
That safari link for facebook doesnt work anymore bc it was a direct link to the post and it was removed.  However, the fan page for the company is still there.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Land-Lake-Safaris/215299195169191 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Land-Lake-Safaris/215299195169191)

Discussed upstream ^^

Worth checking our original post though ;)

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25526.msg622492.html#msg622492
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 29, 2011, 01:46:20 PM
Nairobi with a major blackout.

All of Lilongwe blacked out. Cars lined up for fuel...scant supplies. O_O
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: NumfarPTB on June 29, 2011, 02:19:46 PM
I think the chances of Europe Summer are greater than South America Winter.
(Though Patagonia or Barriloche in Argentina, would be pretty to shoot in HD. Or heading to Ecuador + Galapagos Island would be another gorgeous option, and was used for the TAR_LA2 final leg)

Someone should check flights destinations from Malawi for the upcoming days, might give us a better clue for possible following leg. I don't have data at hands now, But I think there will definitely be more flight destinations to Europe from Malawi, than to South America.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mds1978 on June 29, 2011, 02:47:39 PM
Of course they're going to Europe. Aside from the family edition, the only time they skipped Europe was in season 2.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Declive on June 29, 2011, 03:41:51 PM
The Amazing Race 19 Season Premiere : 09/25
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on June 29, 2011, 04:00:34 PM
Is there still a possibility for a new european country (Malta, Ex-Yugoslavian countries, Belgium, Denmark, Letonia, or even Slovakia), now that we have Indonesia & Malawi?  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 29, 2011, 04:03:49 PM
Is there still a possibility for a new european country (Malta, Ex-Yugoslavian countries, Belgium, Denmark, Letonia, or even Slovakia), now that we have Indonesia & Malawi?  :duno:

We only have 6 legs, so of course!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theamazingracefan100 on June 29, 2011, 04:29:57 PM
Hey everyone someone on tweeter has just said the Contestants are in toronto
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 29, 2011, 04:35:49 PM
Hey everyone someone tweeter has just said the Contestants are in toronto

:lol3: They always say that.

Please review the twitter suggestions in post one, it only helps if you post it. :tup:

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 29, 2011, 08:16:52 PM
Anyone, know what this means:

"pas amazing race kan mreka jg mreka kaan hahaha.. Ada abang nya khunnie! Hahaha .pas ktawa sih mirip bgt loh sm khun"

 :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 29, 2011, 08:59:37 PM
Hey everyone someone tweeter has just said the Contestants are in toronto

:lol3: They always say that.

Please review the twitter suggestions in post one, it only helps if you post it. :tup:

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wow,  I bet Toronto has the most local races ever! One day I hope they finally decided to visit again and do a proper leg.

It would be safe for WRP because if there was a real sighting there no one would believe it. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 29, 2011, 09:24:38 PM
Anyone, know what this means:

"pas amazing race kan mreka jg mreka kaan hahaha.. Ada abang nya khunnie! Hahaha .pas ktawa sih mirip bgt loh sm khun"

 :duno:

Google translate:
Indonesian to English translation

"amazing race fit right mreka mreka jg kaan hahaha .. There's his brother khunnie! Hahaha. ktawa hell-like pas bgt sm loh Khun
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: calphin on June 29, 2011, 11:28:24 PM
Anyone, know what this means:

"pas amazing race kan mreka jg mreka kaan hahaha.. Ada abang nya khunnie! Hahaha .pas ktawa sih mirip bgt loh sm khun"

 :duno:

Google translate:
Indonesian to English translation

"amazing race fit right mreka mreka jg kaan hahaha .. There's his brother khunnie! Hahaha. ktawa hell-like pas bgt sm loh Khun

I'll rephrase it.
At Amazing Race, there are them too, right? Hahaha... There's Khunnie's brother! Hahaha, when he's laughing he's very much looked like Khun.



I don't know who this Khun is.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mds1978 on June 29, 2011, 11:35:34 PM
Anyone, know what this means:

"pas amazing race kan mreka jg mreka kaan hahaha.. Ada abang nya khunnie! Hahaha .pas ktawa sih mirip bgt loh sm khun"

 :duno:

Google translate:
Indonesian to English translation

"amazing race fit right mreka mreka jg kaan hahaha .. There's his brother khunnie! Hahaha. ktawa hell-like pas bgt sm loh Khun

That's some translation peach!  :lol3:

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 29, 2011, 11:39:31 PM
Anyone, know what this means:

"pas amazing race kan mreka jg mreka kaan hahaha.. Ada abang nya khunnie! Hahaha .pas ktawa sih mirip bgt loh sm khun"

 :duno:

Google translate:
Indonesian to English translation

"amazing race fit right mreka mreka jg kaan hahaha .. There's his brother khunnie! Hahaha. ktawa hell-like pas bgt sm loh Khun

That's some translation peach!  :lol3:



yeah my Google is right on the ball! :res:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tarflyonthewall on June 30, 2011, 01:11:24 AM
I wrote this in the Spec thread on May 20th:

Quote
I could see them doing a leg in southern Africa. Maybe not South Africa specifically, but since it's only the northern countries that are affected at the moment it's very plausible South Africa or Namibia or Malawi or something could turn up.

If they do go to South America, I'd hope for Paraguay (the only non-Caribbean-bordering country still yet to appear), but with Brazil in TAR18 I think Argentina's most likely.

Europe? Hmmm. PIIGS are out since the governments won't spend money bringing the show to them, and we've seen most of the remaining western Europe countries in the past four seasons (by my count only Belgium, Denmark, and the micronations are left), so I'd expect an eastern European country, if any. Probably a new one, since no eastern European countries have been repeated yet (assuming you count Austria as "western"), and hopefully a Balkan state. Serbia's plausible, as is Albania, or maybe even Bulgaria.

Asia's harder. Since Family Edition, either China or Japan has been done in every race except 13, but 18 was the first to have them both, so maybe we might skip them this time? But it's hard to find any regions they haven't hit recently. Kazakhstan was apparently a real pain the first time, so I don't think we're going back or to any other country nearby (all with even worse infrastructure, and some not safe for women in particular). The Middle East is especially Not Safe Right Now, and we've done India and the neighbouring countries twice in the past two seasons, so they're most likely out. South-East Asia's a mainstay, but aside from three new countries (Indonesia, Laos, and Brunei), they've all been done in the past 5 seasons.

In summary, I suspect we'll get about 8 or 9 countries, probably containing at least one Central/South American country (probably Argentina and one other); South Africa (and possibly a country nearby); at least one country that was part of Yugoslavia; at least one of Thailand/Indonesia/Laos/Philippines, probably two; and a North American country.

Go, me!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: eddiethejet on June 30, 2011, 01:47:39 AM
I wrote this in the Spec thread on May 20th:

Quote
I could see them doing a leg in southern Africa. Maybe not South Africa specifically, but since it's only the northern countries that are affected at the moment it's very plausible South Africa or Namibia or Malawi or something could turn up.

If they do go to South America, I'd hope for Paraguay (the only non-Caribbean-bordering country still yet to appear), but with Brazil in TAR18 I think Argentina's most likely.

Europe? Hmmm. PIIGS are out since the governments won't spend money bringing the show to them, and we've seen most of the remaining western Europe countries in the past four seasons (by my count only Belgium, Denmark, and the micronations are left), so I'd expect an eastern European country, if any. Probably a new one, since no eastern European countries have been repeated yet (assuming you count Austria as "western"), and hopefully a Balkan state. Serbia's plausible, as is Albania, or maybe even Bulgaria.

Asia's harder. Since Family Edition, either China or Japan has been done in every race except 13, but 18 was the first to have them both, so maybe we might skip them this time? But it's hard to find any regions they haven't hit recently. Kazakhstan was apparently a real pain the first time, so I don't think we're going back or to any other country nearby (all with even worse infrastructure, and some not safe for women in particular). The Middle East is especially Not Safe Right Now, and we've done India and the neighbouring countries twice in the past two seasons, so they're most likely out. South-East Asia's a mainstay, but aside from three new countries (Indonesia, Laos, and Brunei), they've all been done in the past 5 seasons.

In summary, I suspect we'll get about 8 or 9 countries, probably containing at least one Central/South American country (probably Argentina and one other); South Africa (and possibly a country nearby); at least one country that was part of Yugoslavia; at least one of Thailand/Indonesia/Laos/Philippines, probably two; and a North American country.

Go, me!

Great Job!!    :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 30, 2011, 09:25:23 AM
It's interesting because LLW has extremely limited arrivals. The only way he would have seen them is if they were on Air France 8056 from Lusaka. There is really no way they would have been on a flight from Jburg.

Lusaka is of course in Zambia which seems like a more likely place for them to be flying in from. It makes it seem like they may have not been in Nairobi because the flight from Lusaka to LLW leaves before the only flight from NBO to Lusaka arrives.

Perhaps Malawi is the third Africa leg after Kenya and Zambia? That may account for the missing days.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 30, 2011, 09:26:08 AM
OKAY!! So based on teams arriving today into Malawi....is this possible??

Phuket>> via Bangkok>> to So Africa (Joburg? and/ or Cape Town?) for 2 legs (please WRP go do Victoria Falls again, it is the 10 year anniversary you know :lol: ) >>then to Malawi (hmmm, a day late? Was arrival rescheduled or was that FB post in error?), and then possibly to KENYA next??

Flight info please!!  :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 30, 2011, 09:28:30 AM
Its possible for that picture with the camera, as it looks like they are do the preview filming for the tasks. It looks very similar to the task in Burkina Faso.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on June 30, 2011, 09:34:46 AM
Was there time for two South Africa legs?  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 30, 2011, 09:36:34 AM
What date would they have been arriving into Joburg in that scenario?

I found it telling that she did not indicate that they were on the J-burg flight.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 30, 2011, 09:36:51 AM
It's interesting because LLW has extremely limited arrivals. The only way he would have seen them is if they were on Air France 8056 from Lusaka. There is really no way they would have been on a flight from Jburg.

Lusaka is of course in Zambia which seems like a more likely place for them to be flying in from. It makes it seem like they may have not been in Nairobi because the flight from Lusaka to LLW leaves before the only flight from NBO to Lusaka arrives.

Perhaps Malawi is the third Africa leg after Kenya and Zambia? That may account for the missing days.


Please check your facts. As already posted by WP, there most certainly IS a flight in from Jo-burg.

JNB Johannesburg SA 170  South African Airways due 2:25 PM  arr12:14 PM   Landed On-time 
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on June 30, 2011, 09:41:41 AM
OKAY!! So based on teams arriving today into Malawi....is this possible??

Phuket>> via Bangkok>> to So Africa (Joburg? and/ or Cape Town?) for 2 legs (please WRP go do Victoria Falls again, it is the 10 year anniversary you know :lol: ) >>then to Malawi (hmmm, a day late? Was arrival rescheduled or was that FB post in error?), and then possibly to KENYA next??

Flight info please!!  :hearts:
I doubt next leg will be Kenya...if 3 legs already in Africa,then next leg probably be in Europe
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 30, 2011, 09:51:57 AM
Its possible for that picture with the camera, as it looks like they are do the preview filming for the tasks. It looks very similar to the task in Burkina Faso.

I took a look at that picture and a couple of others on the Land & Safari Facebook page. The exif data appears to have been stripped off, so I can't tell when it was taken.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 30, 2011, 09:53:05 AM
Its possible for that picture with the camera, as it looks like they are do the preview filming for the tasks. It looks very similar to the task in Burkina Faso.

I took a look at that picture and a couple of others on the Land & Safari Facebook page. The exif data appears to have been stripped off, so I can't tell when it was taken.

Posting to FB does that.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 30, 2011, 10:00:56 AM
Its possible for that picture with the camera, as it looks like they are do the preview filming for the tasks. It looks very similar to the task in Burkina Faso.

I took a look at that picture and a couple of others on the Land & Safari Facebook page. The exif data appears to have been stripped off, so I can't tell when it was taken.

Posting to FB does that.


Doesn't FB have more important things to do than impede the progress of important international reality entertainment investigations?  :(
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 30, 2011, 10:13:32 AM
It's interesting because LLW has extremely limited arrivals. The only way he would have seen them is if they were on Air France 8056 from Lusaka. There is really no way they would have been on a flight from Jburg.

Lusaka is of course in Zambia which seems like a more likely place for them to be flying in from. It makes it seem like they may have not been in Nairobi because the flight from Lusaka to LLW leaves before the only flight from NBO to Lusaka arrives.

Perhaps Malawi is the third Africa leg after Kenya and Zambia? That may account for the missing days.


Please check your facts. As already posted by WP, there most certainly IS a flight in from Jo-burg.

JNB Johannesburg SA 170  South African Airways due 2:25 PM  arr12:14 PM   Landed On-time 

I know there is that flight. I just thought it was more likely that they were coming from Zambia at the time because the previous leg has been assumed to be Kenya.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on June 30, 2011, 10:25:33 AM
Unless the husband actually saw which plane they got off of there may be no reason to conclude it was either Johannesburg or Lusaka since the flights landed within minutes of each other.   :duno:

Quote
My husband was picking someone up at the airport in Lilongwe, Malawi today at 12:30 pm local time (flight from Joburg) and spotted Amazing Race production crew in the airport and teams coming off the plane, trying to get taxis. 
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 30, 2011, 10:27:48 AM
I think we need to reassess what order legs could have been in. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on June 30, 2011, 10:41:21 AM

Currency
(http://www.banknotes.com/MW25.JPG)

Airport
(http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/30213875.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on June 30, 2011, 12:17:05 PM
I think we need to reassess what order legs could have been in. :tup:

Well you mentioned a blackout in Malawi yesterday, correct? It's possible production decided to wait a day before heading out or had a backup country to visit beforehand if anything were to happen.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on June 30, 2011, 12:23:08 PM
Wait, what is with Chateau's post that includes currency and an airport? Is that one of the insider infos that you guys post as a clue/hint/teaser (like the Mary Poppins in S18, recently) that you know and we don't? ??? :lol:

Yay at Malawi! Yay at myself not knowing/reading any updates about teams! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 30, 2011, 12:51:27 PM
Wait, what is with Chateau's post that includes currency and an airport? Is that one of the insider infos that you guys post as a clue/hint/teaser (like the Mary Poppins in S18, recently) that you know and we don't? ??? :lol:

Yay at Malawi! Yay at myself not knowing/reading any updates about teams! :hearts:

Somebody is behind on his spoilers!! :neener:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on June 30, 2011, 12:53:01 PM
 :lol:

I just like currency shots!  And the airport picture is to try to get a feel for what you see when you go there to pick someone up.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 30, 2011, 12:56:41 PM
I think we need to reassess what order legs could have been in. :tup:

Well you mentioned a blackout in Malawi yesterday, correct? It's possible production decided to wait a day before heading out or had a backup country to visit beforehand if anything were to happen.

Or our speculation re legs and leg order was wrong, or this new info is misleading, or what you said, or almost anything!

Joburg's cell phone network is down now, Nairobi had a blackout yesterday, Lilongwe had a blackout and a fuel shortage ... welcome to Africa!! :lol:

I think, without  re looking up all the flights, that we could have gone Bangkok >>Joburg directly... so that routing could be possible.

At the moment nothing is confirmed, time for some DETECTING!! 
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on June 30, 2011, 01:19:55 PM
The best I can remember teams arrived in Phuket the evening of the 24th and probably transported somewhere else near there and did not start the leg until the 25th. An early to late afternoon check in on the 25th means a early morning release on the 26th if there is the traditional 12hr pitstop. (There may not be though)

From Phuket teams could get to JNB by connecting through Bangkok, Singapore or both. There are other options but I thought those were the best. (They may have gone right under RFF's nose in Singapore  (:;) )

Anyway, arriving in Jburg by noon or early afternoon on the 26th they run the leg from there and check in that night. Teams are released the morning of the 27th and have time for another leg in the South Africa area. The problem is that teams would be released probably in the wee hours of the 28th and the flight that arrived this morning in Malawi departed from JNB at 10AM on the 30th.

Somewhere in here there are at least two longer than usual pitstops.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on June 30, 2011, 01:51:20 PM
Or JoBurg was a connection point.

I'm wondering if it's just a coincidence that the safari company in Malawi in located on the Songwe River; and that the first pit stop ever was at Songwe village in Zambia, which was reached by the teams going through JoBurg.

Could there have been a leg similar to the first leg ever, and then one or more legs or connections to get the teams to Malawi? It's all speculation, but I do find the place name coincidence to be curious.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 30, 2011, 06:23:38 PM
I want everyone who is kindly watching Tweets and FB posts and blogs to be awre that NOTHING is confirmed yet...except I do believe teams were due into LiLONGWE yesterday. Could that have been changed to today? yes.

BUT I am not yet convinced that teams came there via Joburg... This info is not yet confirmed, and for that matter Joburg itself remains speculative,

So please. Continue to work both ways...

Assume they could be leaving Lilongwe today for ?? Nairobi OR Joburg, or again tomorrow.

I still think a Lilongwe to SO Africa leg remains a possibility, as does a Lilongwe to wherever via Nairobi.

Continue to watch Lilongwe, Nairobi, Cape Town and Joburg, and even Victoria Falls. They could be heading any direction.

Thanks everyone!!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 01, 2011, 10:04:44 AM
Okay...several things.

ARR into Lilongwe has been confirmed as being So Africa airlines from Joberg on 6/30.

So we need to reconsider that they went direct Phuket >> Joberg as our next leg or legs. We really need to keep looking for any info from here, so watch those travel blogs and photo sites!

ALSO, with incoming info re events 6/30 and 7/1 and possibly MORE, seems fairly certain this is a double leg in Malawi.

Flights out of Malawi are best via Nairobi....could we still see a Kenyan leg?

Maybe....
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on July 01, 2011, 07:10:12 PM
I'm liking either of these destinations for Monday morning:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: alextofu07 on July 01, 2011, 09:04:40 PM
Isreal :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: selkie on July 01, 2011, 09:32:46 PM
Have they been to Cyprus? That would seem to be one of the more stable countries in that area outside of Turkey.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on July 01, 2011, 09:40:20 PM
Have they been to Cyprus? That would seem to be one of the more stable countries in that area outside of Turkey.

Nope. Never been to Cyprus  :(
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on July 01, 2011, 09:46:21 PM
Remember Phil's interview about a surprise country? This might be it. :yess:

When do you start Season 19?
Keoghan: Season 19 is going to shoot in the summer. We're locking in the cast. We're really excited about it. I just think it's wonderful that we get another chance to do it. I know we're going to places that we haven't been before. We're also going to places that will surprise people, I think. "Really? You're going to that country?!" It's not Pakistan, by the way! [Laughs] "Teams must now make their way to Osama bin Laden's old residence."

:hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on July 01, 2011, 10:10:08 PM
On paper, with two regional editions already filmed, one would think it would be possible to film a leg in Israel.
My only concern would be the Syrians right now; and none of the other Arab states bordering Israel would be safe choices after the Arab Spring.
Cyprus may or may not be sufficiently safe because the island is still divided into two communities, and the civil war there has never been resolved.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 01, 2011, 11:17:40 PM
I think Malawi and Indonesia are the surprises.  :lol:

One was recently not safe and Malawi is from left field. However, Israel or a country that was war torn in Europe in the early 90's such as Albania or Bosnia and Herzgovina would surprise.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: krabbe on July 02, 2011, 12:34:26 AM
Israel is still in the US travel warning. But then again so is Kenya.  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on July 02, 2011, 01:22:46 AM
Israel is still in the US travel warning. But then again so is Kenya.  :duno:

Israel is safe, its only the disputed West Bank and Gaza areas are dangerous.  Tel Aviv and Haifa, two of Israel's coastal cities are safe.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on July 02, 2011, 01:40:38 AM
Cyprus is VERY safe, as long as you stay away from Northern Cyprus. Cities like Nicosia and Lanarca are fine.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: krabbe on July 02, 2011, 05:38:28 AM
Israel is still in the US travel warning. But then again so is Kenya.  :duno:

Israel is safe, its only the disputed West Bank and Gaza areas are dangerous.  Tel Aviv and Haifa, two of Israel's coastal cities are safe.

But then again this argument can be applied to a lot of the countries in the travel warning (i.e. only dangerous in certain parts). The point is, if a country is in the US travel warning, insurance might not cover any cost incurred there or if they do, producers have to pay a hefty premium. So it's a matter of money.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 02, 2011, 03:55:30 PM
Found this on flickr, the pic has nothing to do with the race, but the name of the photo is: The amazing race to Malawi? Maybe some one can contact the person for more info?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44561213@N00/5891506481/
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: selkie on July 02, 2011, 04:30:57 PM
Cyprus was a WAG on my part since it's probably as safe & stable as Sri Lanka was when the Race went through there. And I can remember a House Hunters International episode from there not too long back where they were looking at million dollar homes, so it wouldn't be the first US reality tv production taking interest in the country.

I'd love to see Lebanon. But while it's probably reasonably safe with the correct local fixers, there's still about a 1% chance of it turning into a repeat of Anthony Bourdain in Beiruit, so I'm resigned to that country never making an appearance on the Race.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 02, 2011, 04:56:26 PM
Cyprus was a WAG on my part since it's probably as safe & stable as Sri Lanka was when the Race went through there. And I can remember a House Hunters International episode from there not too long back where they were looking at million dollar homes, so it wouldn't be the first US reality tv production taking interest in the country.

I'd love to see Lebanon. But while it's probably reasonably safe with the correct local fixers, there's still about a 1% chance of it turning into a repeat of Anthony Bourdain in Beiruit, so I'm resigned to that country never making an appearance on the Race.

Anything is possible.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 02, 2011, 05:15:40 PM
That Cyprus tweet is almost certain to be false. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mds1978 on July 02, 2011, 07:02:42 PM
I can't imagine a compelling reason to go to a place like Cyprus other than for the novelty of visiting a new country. I've been to Cyprus and it's a pretty beach destination but that's about it. There are still plenty of great destinations that have yet to be visited by the race. Copenhagen anyone?   :)  Have they ever been to the Greek Isles? Or Palma de Mallorca off the coast of Spain? Ireland? These places would be so amazing to see in HD.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on July 02, 2011, 07:09:21 PM
I can't imagine a compelling reason to go to a place like Cyprus other than for the novelty of visiting a new country. I've been to Cyprus and it's a pretty beach destination but that's about it. There are still plenty of great destinations that have yet to be visited by the race. Copenhagen anyone?   :)  Have they ever been to the Greek Isles? Or Palma de Mallorca off the coast of Spain? Ireland? These places would be so amazing to see in HD.

Copenhagen is a nice city, I've been there multiple times, but, there's not much to do. They have quite a few nice zoos, castles and townships, but not many things to do.

Ireland has been visited once, and Greece won't be visited anytime soon. So, if you wan't Greece, the closet thing is Cyprus.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Zack. on July 02, 2011, 08:03:30 PM
We've recently had  many 'Gee, we haven't gone there in ages, let's go again' locations - Australia, Taiwan, Joburg and/or Nairobi, RDJ, St. Petersburg, etc. In addition, we've most recently hit central and Scandinavian Europe, and from history, 8 can say WRP doesn't hit the same geographic region in consecutive races (India and China excluded).

I think we might get a leg(s) on the Mediterranean. Greece is out, but maybe Italy or a Balkan state? Or an actual leg in Spain?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on July 02, 2011, 08:14:34 PM
My fingers are still crossed for Armenia to be visited, and I think teams could easily connect there through the Istanbul flight that Chateau posted earlier. I was there last year, and I could think of a few beautiful Pit Stop locations. :colors
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 02, 2011, 08:16:32 PM
My fingers are still crossed for Armenia to be visited, and I think teams could easily connect there through the Istanbul flight that Chateau posted earlier. I was there last year, and I could think of a few beautiful Pit Stop locations. :colors

Turkey and Armenia are virtual enemies. Also with the current Azerbaijan and Armenia conflict I doubt they visit there.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on July 02, 2011, 08:19:30 PM
My fingers are still crossed for Armenia to be visited, and I think teams could easily connect there through the Istanbul flight that Chateau posted earlier. I was there last year, and I could think of a few beautiful Pit Stop locations. :colors

Turkey and Armenia are virtual enemies. Also with the current Azerbaijan and Armenia conflict I doubt they visit there.
That's true, but you can still fly from Istanbul to Yerevan (I did a quick Google search). I'll remain hopeful, but I agree it is doubtful...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on July 02, 2011, 09:02:40 PM
Two legs in Spain is possible. And maybe one in Andorra. If not, then Portugal.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 02, 2011, 10:03:41 PM
Two legs in Spain is possible. And maybe one in Andorra. If not, then Portugal.

Spain and Portugal are both neglected, Andorra is possible sort of what they did with Liechtenstein last cycle. Maybe a Barcelona-A city in Spain close to Andorra-Andorra- Toulouse, France (Vienna-Salzburg-Liechtenstein-Zermatt).
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: selkie on July 02, 2011, 10:05:56 PM
If they wanted to pick up a few more micro-nations, they could probably cover Vatican City and San Marino in the same leg. (Though I suspect that the Vatican folks would think it would be too frivilous to let an American game show film there.)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 02, 2011, 11:40:20 PM
Unless we have actual info on locations, or a good reason to think it might happen, maybe we could put the rest into wishlists?? It makes it hard to find the relevant info later on. Thanks!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: kathleenykl on July 03, 2011, 01:20:30 AM
Hi everybody, I'm new here, decided to join after 2 years of reading the forum as I may finally be able to offer some help in spoiling. Does anyone know if the teams are still in Malawi now, or they have left for the next destination? My uncle (who is also a huge fan) is in Copenhagen for the next 2 days, around the city centre, which would be excellent for spoiling if the next leg is there. I'm updating him via skype but the teams have been going unrecorded in malawi awfully long... unless the next leg is still in Africa.
Thanks  :js:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on July 03, 2011, 01:21:27 AM
Found this on flickr, the pic has nothing to do with the race, but the name of the photo is: The amazing race to Malawi? Maybe some one can contact the person for more info?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44561213@N00/5891506481/

That pic was from the blog posting I quoted in the live sightings thread last night. It was related to the rest of the stuff that was written about in that blog.

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 03, 2011, 03:45:06 AM
Found this on flickr, the pic has nothing to do with the race, but the name of the photo is: The amazing race to Malawi? Maybe some one can contact the person for more info?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44561213@N00/5891506481/

That pic was from the blog posting I quoted in the live sightings thread last night. It was related to the rest of the stuff that was written about in that blog.



Already contacted!



Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 03, 2011, 03:47:10 AM
:welcome: kathleenyld! 

I would love that, but we aren't sure of the next destination yet Keep him alert!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 03, 2011, 03:57:34 AM
Okay, the first Cyprus info came from someone with 11 tweets, who said he was in Turkey, but whose twitter account was in Singapore...therefore thought to be fake, especially as the account was closed off as soon as we questioned it.

More "sightings" mean we have to take another look, the first thing will being checking to see if flight connections are possible.

I am being told teams may be  scheduled to leave Malawi today...if that is correct then they cannot be in Cyprus now. If incorrect...maybe??

So bottom line, we need to look at everything!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: GreenNegg on July 03, 2011, 09:08:59 AM
One of Lululiaoxin's tweets reminded me of a local show I've watched where the person (whose name is coincidentally Lulu) said the exact same thing, so her tweets MIGHT not be true.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on July 03, 2011, 04:24:03 PM
One of the things I'm surprised by is that we're seeing tweets with no Twitpics to go with them. Since virtually every mobile phone or Blackberry or IPad or I Phone has a camera, I would have expected to see more photographic evidence, even if it was blurry and jerky.

It does make it hard to see multiple independent source to the same information, doesn't it?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Heliox on July 03, 2011, 10:46:48 PM
Was there a tweet from Kenya to Amsterdam today? I had just texted my husband to keep his eyes open at the amsterdam airport for TAR, he lands there in 7 hours. He has seen the pics of the teams, and is camera ready if he sees any of them. Here's hoping! ( but I know it's longshot)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 03, 2011, 10:54:29 PM
Was there a tweet from Kenya to Amsterdam today? I had just texted my husband to keep his eyes open at the amsterdam airport for TAR, he lands there in 7 hours. He has seen the pics of the teams, and is camera ready if he sees any of them. Here's hoping! ( but I know it's longshot)

Yes someone had them on their plane from Nairobi to AMS today, or at least we think today, unclear. Also not known if they stayed or transited onwards. But yes, tell him to be alert!! :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: dryedmangoez on July 03, 2011, 11:03:08 PM
Ooo, I had Andorra on one of my TAR dream routes.  That would be awesome.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 03, 2011, 11:08:56 PM
Okay I am thinking Amsterdam might be a connection point to another European country, because Amsterdam has had so many visits I kind of find it hard to believe they would go back soon.  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on July 04, 2011, 12:36:55 AM
Okay I am thinking Amsterdam might be a connection point to another European country, because Amsterdam has had so many visits I kind of find it hard to believe they would go back soon.  :duno:

Actually the race has only visited Amsterdam 3 times, the last being in season 15. So it could very well be where the teams were going.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Neobie on July 04, 2011, 04:43:53 AM
Lulu has a few new tweets detailing what he/she "saw", none of which jives with what we know. Let's drop this and move on then? My blood boils every time I go to the Twitter page.

不打扰你购物骚洋人了!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on July 04, 2011, 05:07:37 AM
Lulu has a few new tweets detailing what he/she "saw", none of which jives with what we know. Let's drop this and move on then? My blood boils every time I go to the Twitter page.

不打扰你购物骚洋人了!
We should move on...just don't understand why he/she be so rude(never happened when I ask for help to locals last season Yunan legs) :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on July 04, 2011, 05:53:51 AM
Translation: I shan't disturb you from your shopping, annoying americans/eurasians
不打扰你购物骚洋人了!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Neobie on July 04, 2011, 10:34:21 AM
Translation: I shan't disturb you from your shopping, annoying americans/eurasians
不打扰你购物骚洋人了!

Haha that was me. "We wouldn't disturb you any more from your shopping and flirting with Caucasians!"
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on July 05, 2011, 08:43:59 AM
Can anyone confirm that this is the general consensus right now?

Leg 4: Thailand
Leg 5: South Africa
Leg 6: Malawi
Leg 7: Malawi
Leg 8: Kenya
Leg 9: Europe (Holland or Italy?)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 05, 2011, 09:55:10 AM
I don't think so.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on July 05, 2011, 10:14:18 AM
If the tweet about Teams spotted on a flight where Milan may be the destination is valid then I would quickly jump to the conclusion that the racers were headed to Siena where the Palio had just been run the night before (July 2nd, every year).  The Piazza would still be covered with dirt and would make a great place to do a Detour or Roadblock task   :jam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM0YqFJrypk
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 05, 2011, 10:18:17 AM
Phil has said in every single interview when asked where he wants to go...

ITALY

Glad if this happens for him!!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on July 05, 2011, 10:47:50 AM
If the tweet about Teams spotted on a flight where Milan may be the destination is valid then I would quickly jump to the conclusion that the racers were headed to Siena where the Palio had just been run the night before (July 2nd, every year).  The Piazza would still be covered with dirt and would make a great place to do a Detour or Roadblock task   :jam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM0YqFJrypk

After a little digging, I find that a filming permit to shoot a network TV show in Siena costs € 1549.37, so it looks to be within the budget for TAR. This factoid isn't relevant to whether or not they have gone to Italy or Siena, I'm just marveling again at what you can find out there if you look in right obscure locations.  :ascared
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: milanissimo on July 05, 2011, 01:07:28 PM
Milan or Italy ???? I don't think so.... :'(
What do you think about.... Poland...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on July 05, 2011, 02:00:49 PM
I lean more towards:

4. Thailand
5. South Africa
6. South Africa
7. Malawi
8. Malawi
9. (Holland or Italy?)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 05, 2011, 02:36:17 PM
Maybe this is why they never went to PNG.

http://news.ca.msn.com/world/couple-attacked-with-arrows-in-papua-new-guinea (http://news.ca.msn.com/world/couple-attacked-with-arrows-in-papua-new-guinea)

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on July 05, 2011, 03:06:07 PM
Maybe this is why they never went to PNG.

http://news.ca.msn.com/world/couple-attacked-with-arrows-in-papua-new-guinea (http://news.ca.msn.com/world/couple-attacked-with-arrows-in-papua-new-guinea)

I wasn't aware there were any plans to visit there. Even so, one attack doesn't make it dangerous to visit the country if the crew ever does decide to go.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: topaz on July 05, 2011, 09:24:52 PM
If they're already in Italy then they should go to the small enclave of San Marino and do a roadblock task there on measuring the area using mopeds just like what TAR: Unfinished Business on the previous season did and if so, this could be a Switchback roadblock task but in a different country.  Cross our fingers, everyone. ;)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on July 05, 2011, 10:07:08 PM
If they're already in Italy then they should go to the small enclave of San Marino and do a roadblock task there on measuring the area using mopeds just like what TAR: Unfinished Business on the previous season did and if so, this could be a Switchback roadblock task but in a different country.  Cross our fingers, everyone. ;)
I love the idea! And it would also add yet another never-before visited country to our list!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: kiki on July 06, 2011, 12:42:09 AM
If they're already in Italy then they should go to the small enclave of San Marino and do a roadblock task there on measuring the area using mopeds just like what TAR: Unfinished Business on the previous season did and if so, this could be a Switchback roadblock task but in a different country.  Cross our fingers, everyone. ;)

San Marino is smaller that Lichtenstein and it's all uphill.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: zacz on July 06, 2011, 04:00:13 AM

San Marino is smaller that Lichtenstein and it's all uphill.

Then make them walk lol
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: topaz on July 06, 2011, 04:03:42 AM

San Marino is smaller that Lichtenstein and it's all uphill.

Then make them walk lol
Or ride on a donkey (Is there a donkey in San Marino?) :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on July 06, 2011, 04:13:57 AM
If they're already in Italy then they should go to the small enclave of San Marino and do a roadblock task there on measuring the area using mopeds just like what TAR: Unfinished Business on the previous season did and if so, this could be a Switchback roadblock task but in a different country.  Cross our fingers, everyone. ;)

San Marino is smaller that Lichtenstein and it's all uphill.

That would just make it more fun.  :snicker:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: paldog123456 on July 06, 2011, 08:26:05 AM
I love San Marino. They could have them climb the three towers.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 06, 2011, 08:30:18 AM
Moving on...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: topaz on July 06, 2011, 10:32:33 AM
I love San Marino. They could have them climb the three towers.
that will be great as well but I think that will be a pit stop? :duno:

btw, here's the info about the 3 towers of San Marino as what Palcat said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Towers_of_San_Marino
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 06, 2011, 11:40:32 AM
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Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on July 06, 2011, 12:34:01 PM
I love San Marino. They could have them climb the three towers.
that will be great as well but I think that will be a pit stop? :duno:

btw, here's the info about the 3 towers of San Marino as what Palcat said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Towers_of_San_Marino

San Marino, is also close to the Italian cities of Bologna, Ferarra, and in traveling distance to Venice.  I would like to see Venice again since Season 4.  Also other cities from Milan in distance of train or car travel is Genoa, Turin, Pisa, Verona, and the areas around Lake Como and Lake Maggiore too.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on July 06, 2011, 02:01:02 PM
Impossible for KL. Our best TAR Allstars spoiler came from KL.. (izad <3) :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on July 06, 2011, 11:09:39 PM
This makes it hard to believe we will get to see The Atomium in a broadcast!  :lol:


From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomium)

Quote
Worldwide copyright claims

SABAM, Belgium's society for collecting royalties, has claimed worldwide intellectual property rights on all reproductions of the Atomium image via the United States Artists Rights Society (ARS) .[3] For example SABAM issued a demand that a United States website remove all images of the Atomium from its pages.[4] The website responded by replacing all such images with a warning not to take photographs of the Atomium, and that Asbl Atomium will sue if you show them to anyone.[4][5] Sabam confirmed that permission is required.[4]

Ralf Ziegermann remarked[6] on the complicated copyright instructions on Atomium's website specific to "private pictures".[7] The organisers of Belgian heritage, Anno Expo (www.expo58.eu, planning the 50th anniversary celebrations of Expo '58), in the city of Mechelen announced a "cultural guerrilla strike" by asking people to send in their old photographs of the Atomium and requested 100 photoshoppers to paint over the balls.[8][9] SABAM responded that they would make an exception for 2008 and that people could publish private photographs for one year only on condition they were for non-commercial purposes.[8]

Anno Expo later announced they had censored part of their own report due to "complications" and referred to a meeting they had with SABAM.[10] Mechelen's Mayor, Bart Somers, called the Atomium copyright rules absurd.[11]

On February 23, 2009 Axel Addington, Web Content Manager for Atomium, e-mailed a clarification to the Glass Steel and Stone web site, which some years earlier redacted its photographs of the Atomium after being threatened. He stated, "The royalties are perceived (sic) by the descendants of Andre Waterkeyn, the engineer who conceived Atomium in 1955, and not by the A.S.B.L Atomium. So, you've probably been sued by the SABAM (Belgian Copyright Company) because of the Waterkeyn Family."

From the Atomium's website, the current copyright restrictions exempt private individuals under the following conditions,[12]

    There are some cases however where use of the image of the Atomium is not restricted by any rights. This is the case where photographs are taken by private individuals and shown on private websites for no commercial purpose (the current trend for photo albums), as long as these pictures are displayed at a low resolution (600 pixels maximum, resolution of 72dpi) to avoid abusive usage and downloads. However, the words "© www.atomium.be - SABAM 2010 - photographers name" must be included next to the image.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on July 06, 2011, 11:17:00 PM
Those are some of the most absurd copyright restrictions I've ever seen; they don't even recognize the doctrine of "fair use."

And it actually doesn't discuss film, just photographs.  Which is wierd.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: topaz on July 06, 2011, 11:43:50 PM
So here are the summary on TAR 19 on all the cities and countries that they racing it:

Starting point - Los Angeles, CA
leg 1: Taipei, Taiwan
leg 2: Yogyakarta, Indonesia
leg 3: Bali, Indonesia
leg 4: Phuket, Thailand [?]
leg 5: Malawi
leg 6: Kenya
leg 7: Cyprus
leg 8: Milan, Italy
leg 9: somewhere in Italy and (hopefully *cross our fingers*) San Marino
leg 10: Brussels, Belgium
leg 11: Lugano, Switzerland
final leg: somewhere in the US Atlantic coast cities.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on July 06, 2011, 11:49:44 PM
topaz, you're making assumptions I don't think have been adequately sourced or confirmed using multiple independent sources. We haven't had a photo of a team since Indonesia, IIRC.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Xarles on July 07, 2011, 12:02:06 AM
So here are the summary on TAR 19 on all the cities and countries that they racing it:

Starting point - Los Angeles, CA
leg 1: Taipei, Taiwan
leg 2: Yogyakarta, Indonesia
leg 3: Bali, Indonesia
leg 4: Phuket, Thailand [?]
leg 5: Malawi
leg 6: Kenya
leg 7: Cyprus
leg 8: Milan, Italy
leg 9: somewhere in Italy and (hopefully *cross our fingers*) San Marino
leg 10: Brussels, Belgium
leg 11: Lugano, Switzerland
final leg: somewhere in the US Atlantic coast cities.

No, no, no. So far the only confirmed and/or more likely route has been:

US/Los Angeles
Taiwan
Indonesia
Thailand
Possible missing leg
South Africa (possible leg or connection only in J-burg)
Malawi
Ethiopia or Kenya (possible connection only in Addis Ababa or Nairobi)
Netherlands (possible leg or connection only in Amsterdam)
Italy and/or Belgium

No Cyprus, San Marino and Switzerland at all.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Zack. on July 07, 2011, 12:22:23 AM
A penultimate leg in Belgium means they can have final city just about anywhere with a single connection. I wouldn't limit analysis just to the East Coast (especially since the last times we were in a situation like this, we went from Prague to Vegas and Moscow to Portland).
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Xarles on July 07, 2011, 12:32:07 AM
A penultimate leg in Belgium means they can have final city just about anywhere with a single connection. I wouldn't limit analysis just to the East Coast (especially since the last times we were in a situation like this, we went from Prague to Vegas and Moscow to Portland).

I absolutely agree with you. If they're coming back from Brussels. Non-stops to the US are:

New York (JFK and EWR)
Chicago
Atlanta
Philadelphia
Washington, DC (a finish run at The Mall would be impressive).
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tarflyonthewall on July 07, 2011, 02:58:45 AM
Okay I am thinking Amsterdam might be a connection point to another European country, because Amsterdam has had so many visits I kind of find it hard to believe they would go back soon.  :duno:

Actually the race has only visited Amsterdam 3 times, the last being in season 15. So it could very well be where the teams were going.

Didn't stop them from going to Tokyo again last season, after it's prior visit was in TAR15 too.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: alextofu07 on July 07, 2011, 04:46:49 AM
how about Isreal??
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 07, 2011, 05:31:42 AM
So here are the summary on TAR 19 on all the cities and countries that they racing it:

Starting point - Los Angeles, CA
leg 1: Taipei, Taiwan
leg 2: Yogyakarta, Indonesia
leg 3: Bali, Indonesia
leg 4: Phuket, Thailand [?]
leg 5: Malawi
leg 6: Kenya
lleg 7: Cyprus
eg 8
: Milan, Italy
leg 9: somewhere in Italy and (hopefully *cross our fingers*) San Marino
leg 10: Brussels, Belgium unknown
leg 11: Lugano, Switzerland
final leg: somewhere in the US Atlantic coast cities.

many incorrect assumptions.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on July 07, 2011, 04:30:02 PM
A penultimate leg in Belgium means they can have final city just about anywhere with a single connection. I wouldn't limit analysis just to the East Coast (especially since the last times we were in a situation like this, we went from Prague to Vegas and Moscow to Portland).

I absolutely agree with you. If they're coming back from Brussels. Non-stops to the US are:

New York (JFK and EWR)
Chicago
Atlanta
Philadelphia
Washington, DC (a finish run at The Mall would be impressive).

A nice concept that it is time for the penultimate leg. Today is day 19 of the race. Typically, an Amazing Race lasts for 21 days or longer. The return from Europe is usually after an extended pit stop so Brussels (if true) as the penultimate leg is barely possible.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Xarles on July 07, 2011, 05:05:46 PM
A nice concept that it is time for the penultimate leg. Today is day 19 of the race. Typically, an Amazing Race lasts for 21 days or longer. The return from Europe is usually after an extended pit stop so Brussels (if true) as the penultimate leg is barely possible.

OK! Then lets give them a tan and bring them back through Cancun. Mexico deserves a break after 15 seasons!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 07, 2011, 05:18:31 PM
A nice concept that it is time for the penultimate leg. Today is day 19 of the race. Typically, an Amazing Race lasts for 21 days or longer. The return from Europe is usually after an extended pit stop so Brussels (if true) as the penultimate leg is barely possible.

OK! Then lets give them a tan and bring them back through Cancun. Mexico deserves a break after 15 seasons!

Not happening, they will not risk the saftey of the racers.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Xarles on July 07, 2011, 07:54:02 PM
A nice concept that it is time for the penultimate leg. Today is day 19 of the race. Typically, an Amazing Race lasts for 21 days or longer. The return from Europe is usually after an extended pit stop so Brussels (if true) as the penultimate leg is barely possible.

OK! Then lets give them a tan and bring them back through Cancun. Mexico deserves a break after 15 seasons!

Not happening, they will not risk the saftey of the racers.

Just a note... if you are implying that Mexico is not safe, I need to underline that Mexico has not EVER lost or hurt a single tourist (of which 70% are Americans) to drug violence out of the Half a Million foreigners that visit Mexico each and every month to date, including TARLA's last two seasons.

At this very moment Mexico is hosting FIFA's U-17 World Cup in cities through out the country with teams and visitors from all over the world moving freely and safely all over the country. Would you think FIFA, http://www.fifa.com would ever put a World Cup at risk for safety? In any FIFA World Cup many more teams made up by many more team mates from many more countries travel more and make more fuzz than the secretive and maybe fearful AR.

Since I am pretty sure no one in TAR is carrying or dealing with drugs at this time, what are your fears?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 07, 2011, 11:30:02 PM
I didn't mean to offend you...

Anyways, I wouldn't visit Mexico at all, it seems like every other month a Canadian tourist is randomly killed.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Coutzy on July 07, 2011, 11:41:16 PM
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html

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Mexico    04/22/2011

This is why they won't go to Mexico.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Xarles on July 08, 2011, 02:22:07 AM
I didn't mean to offend you...

Anyways, I wouldn't visit Mexico at all, it seems like every other month a Canadian tourist is randomly killed.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html

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Mexico    04/22/2011

This is why they won't go to Mexico.

Don't worry, I am not offended at all. Maybe other places are so much smaller than Mexico that it becomes hard to understand proportions. I understand you and I will take your words and fears at face value, as I will do with those of the US government:

"Millions of U.S. citizens safely visit Mexico each year, including more than 150,000 who cross the border every day for study, tourism or business and at least one million U.S. citizens who live in Mexico (legally)." from http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_5440.html

And will make my best effort to make things extremely clear for you and hopefully for WRP which could and should shortly consider Mexico for TAR (20?):

1) No other country in the world is visited by any more Americans every day, week or year than Mexico. About 1.5 million every month according to the US State Dept.
2) The whole country has a smaller crime rate than that of Detroit. A much larger percentage of Detroit's population is murdered every day than that of all of Mexico's population of 112 million. That is, in Detroit there are 42 murders per 100,000 people and there are just 12 per 100,000 in all of Mexico. Of course this figure almost disappears when talking only about foreign visitors in Mexico.
3) Yes, it seems like, every other day, there is a fatality of an American or Canadian in Mexico, but NONE EVER YET, and it is expected to remain this way, related to drug violence.
4) Math can explain: There are 2 million Americans and Canadians (legally or illegally*) living permanently in Mexico plus 20,000 (at least) arriving every day on tourism, and 130,000 crossing into Mexico every day from the US, that is more people than those who live in all of American Samoa OR Northern Mariana Islands OR US Virgin Islands OR Guam OR Wyoming OR Washington, DC OR Vermont OR North Dakota OR Alaska OR South Dakota OR Delaware OR Montana OR Rhode Island and it is a population size comparable to that of New Hampshire OR Maine OR Hawai’i. Of course, just like in Washington, DC, someone gets killed every other day. But it can be from anything from a transportation accident to being murdered by your own husband like it happened to an American lady who got killed in Cancun by her American husband who happened to be a producer for Survivor or maybe even surviving an accident like that of a very lucky British lad whom, wasted in Mazatlan, forgot he was staying in the 7th floor of a hotel and just walked out of a window.
5) No other country in the world has even close to one million Americans in it, permanently or has 160,000 North Americans counterparts coming into it DAILY.
6) TAR regularly visits countries with a much higher crime rate than that of Mexico, like Russia, Brazil and others.
7) Press and fearful people love to take things out of proportion.

* "Do I look Illegal?" by The Mexico Times: http://mexicotimes.posterous.com/do-i-look-illegal-bottom-10-lesser-known-fact

Believe me, as a permanent resident in Mexico City, which is by far (over Toronto and London) the most preferred city for American expats in the world, that is, there are more Americans in Mexico City than in Toronto and London combined, I'd be more scared to find myself lost in a rough area of Miami, San Diego, Seattle, New York, Los Angeles, Vancouver or Houston which I know all very well.

Just to make us all feel comfortable, at ease and in peace, just take a look at the beauty that TAR is missing (just imagine the possible tasks) in this selection of just 10 out of 32 states of Mexico, next door:

Chihuahua State http://youtu.be/IXYZoDrIPDU just across from New Mexico and Texas
Tamaulipas State http://youtu.be/ZojkZU25TFs just across from Texas
Sinaloa State http://youtu.be/XsdDyJJPDeA
Oaxaca State http://youtu.be/qUcOjN4gRKw
Veracruz State http://youtu.be/rz3JYbVkXQs
Yucatan State http://youtu.be/_rHm9yuhLNE
Quintana Roo State http://youtu.be/yBSjzfIgCSM
Chiapas State http://youtu.be/ror3hepR4HQ
Sonora State http://youtu.be/eSegtyStFSQ just across from Arizona
Coahuila State http://youtu.be/TtM0NiWNLL4 just across from Texas

Hope you like it. and yes, this is Mexico, the place you thought you knew.

At least WRP LOVES IT for its Elimination Stations where, without any special security each and every one has enjoyed their stay.

Please accept my apologies for when I mentioned that TAR 19 still had time to bring them back through Cancun, I didn't mean to raise any fears.

Now lets change topic to TAR 19 and quit Mexico, since this has just taken me a lot of time away from my detective activity for both TAR and TARLA.

Read you all soon.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on July 08, 2011, 06:58:40 AM
I think the expression of violence in Mexico reflects the popular perception of it as a center for drug wars. However, as Xarles quite properly points out, Mexico is an incredible place for tourists to visit. Among the great places where I have been and AR19 could go are:

Cancun (yes, indeed)
Cozumel
Merida
Mexico City
Oaxaca
Acapulco (despite the fact that there are killings there, it's still a fabulous tourist paradise)
Puerto Vallarta (would be a bit humid this time of the year, but that never stops an Amazing Race from steamy places)
Guadalajara

The one place where it would not be appropriate to visit is Tiajuana, but why would AR19 want to go there anyway?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Seattlite on July 08, 2011, 09:55:04 AM
How about stopping in Canada? I would put this as the same odds as Mexico.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Alfwin on July 08, 2011, 10:08:22 AM
So from what I read from the spoilers

Leg 1:Taipei, Taiwen
Leg 2: Yogyakarta, Indonesia
Leg 3:Yogyakarta, Indonesia
Leg 4:Phuket, Bangkok
Leg 5:South Africa/Kenya
Leg 6:South Africa/Kenya/Malawi
Leg 7:South Africa/Kenya/Malawi
Leg 8:Europe
Leg 9:Milan/Somewhere in Europe
Leg 10:Brussels, Belgium
Leg 11:Europe/SA
Leg 12:End City, NA
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: selkie on July 08, 2011, 11:13:26 AM
Another reason to avoid Israel is the incredibly agressive security procedures the country has in order to deter terrorism. It's probably not an easy country to fly into if you've got, say, Indonesia or Malaysia stamps on your passport, and Production doesn't want to have to deal with some sort of security or customs issue causing a team to lose a leg of the race.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on July 08, 2011, 11:24:45 AM
TAR Australia is flying into Israel on the next episode, and their first stop was Indonesia. So I wouldn't rule it out based on security. Anyway, I can't see them fitting it in from what we know about the route.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Coutzy on July 08, 2011, 11:35:07 AM
TAR Australia is flying into Israel on the next episode, and their first stop was Indonesia. So I wouldn't rule it out based on security. Anyway, I can't see them fitting it in from what we know about the route.

I wonder how Mo and Mos would have gone in Israel, given the fighting between mostly Jewish Israel and mostly Arab/Muslim Palestine.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on July 08, 2011, 02:27:56 PM
I think the expression of violence in Mexico reflects the popular perception of it as a center for drug wars. However, as Xarles quite properly points out, Mexico is an incredible place for tourists to visit. Among the great places where I have been and AR19 could go are:

Cancun (yes, indeed)
Cozumel
Merida
Mexico City
Oaxaca
Acapulco (despite the fact that there are killings there, it's still a fabulous tourist paradise)
Puerto Vallarta (would be a bit humid this time of the year, but that never stops an Amazing Race from steamy places)
Guadalajara

The one place where it would not be appropriate to visit is Tiajuana, but why would AR19 want to go there anyway?

How about Cabos San Lucas and La Paz in Baja California Sur.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: kenchan on July 08, 2011, 06:44:35 PM
It looks like Phil has (or his publicity folks have) been tweeting since July 4th...

http://twitter.com/PhilKeoghan
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 08, 2011, 07:02:17 PM
It looks like Phil has (or his publicity folks have) been tweeting since July 4th...

http://twitter.com/PhilKeoghan

It could be anyone, and possibly a plan by producers to throw us off  :snicker:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: redskevin88 on July 08, 2011, 07:43:11 PM
TAR Australia is flying into Israel on the next episode, and their first stop was Indonesia. So I wouldn't rule it out based on security. Anyway, I can't see them fitting it in from what we know about the route.

I wonder how Mo and Mos would have gone in Israel, given the fighting between mostly Jewish Israel and mostly Arab/Muslim Palestine.

They have Aussie passports.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on July 09, 2011, 11:56:23 AM
I'm speculating that if Teams haven't left already they will leave within the next 4 hours for their final city in the US.  Here are my guesses for what country or city they will be coming in from:

Madrid
Dubai
Tel Aviv
Odessa
Istanbul
Kuwait
Amman
Damascus
Riyadh
Doha
Beirut
Jeddah
Muscat
Baku

and there ain't no more  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 09, 2011, 02:51:53 PM
I'm speculating that if Teams haven't left already they will leave within the next 4 hours for their final city in the US.  Here are my guesses for what country or city they will be coming in from:

Madrid
Dubai
Tel Aviv
Odessa
Istanbul
Kuwait
Amman
Damascus
Riyadh
Doha
Beirut
Jeddah
Muscat
Baku

and there ain't no more  :lol:

Madrid
Dubai
Tel Aviv
Odessa
Istanbul
Kuwait
Amman
Damascus
Riyadh

Doha
Beirut
Jeddah

Muscat
Baku

Safe to say those cities crossed will not be visited.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on July 09, 2011, 03:03:07 PM
Madrid is in Spain, and that one is far more likely than any of the cities in north Africa or the Mideast/Persian Gulf regions. (Doesn't mean Madrid is certain, just that the others are that unlikely.)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on July 09, 2011, 03:11:35 PM
Interesting huh?

We should be searching in Spanish!  Especially in about 5 hours when the flight lands.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 09, 2011, 03:18:18 PM
We need David and Dan! :yess:

I wonder if we could see a transit airport...JFK, Toronto, somewhere else first?

Hope all of you will be helping with the finale watch!!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on July 09, 2011, 04:06:43 PM
Peach, this could be the sort of year where Atlanta as a final destination city might actually be in play.

They've done Miami twice now, New York twice, and as far as international flights go from Europe, Atlanta, Boston, and D.C., and maybe Philly are about all that are left. They've used Boston as a start city. So, I suspect the ATL has at least a 1 in 3 chance this year, and teams can use the Metro out of the airport and avoid taxis completely or for parts of it. They haven't forced teams to use public transit on the finale since Chicago in TAR 6 and I think that is overdue. :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on July 09, 2011, 04:13:27 PM
I'm sure Peach will be pleased if it's Atlanta.  But since the start was not NYC then shouldn't the end be?  Back to the ten-year theme.  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on July 09, 2011, 04:16:39 PM
I would go towards New York personally. Best flights from Europe, plenty to do, and the ten year finish line in Central Park. Even Atlanta doesn't beat that. (And Peach is lurking there  :lol3:)

NYC would mean taxis though  (:;) Imagine a winner decided by a NY taxi ride to Central Park.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: paldog123456 on July 09, 2011, 04:35:25 PM
There are some direct flights from Europe to Detroit. (About one or 2 flights to/from each location, so the producers could bunch everyone up.  :lol:)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Xarles on July 09, 2011, 06:25:00 PM

I wonder if we could see a transit airport...JFK, Toronto, somewhere else first?

Hope all of you will be helping with the finale watch!!

Dearest georgiapeach:

If your supposition is true, and the Helsinki tweet is true too, I will say that the final destination is CHICAGO!

Here's the catch: Remember that confusion in Paris seasons ago, between Charles de Gaulle, Orly and Le Bourget airports?

They can play it again in Helsinki! The traditional International airport there is EFHK Helsinki-Vantaa, but the one with flights at the time for the USA is EFHF Helsinki-Malmi.

One of the 3 flights available is a non-stop to KORD Chicago, and the other two go to: Guess? KJFK NY & CYYZ Toronto! Easy connections to Chicago!

Here are the flights to watch:

AAL131   B772   Chicago O'Hare Intl (KORD)   02:20p EEST   02:45p CDT (American)
 FIN5   A333   John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK)   02:20p EEST   03:38p EDT (Finnair)
 FIN31   B752   Toronto Pearson Int'l (CYYZ)   05:55p EEST   06:53p EDT (Finnair)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Xarles on July 09, 2011, 06:34:44 PM
These are the connecting flights through NY:


   FIN5   A333      Scheduled      Sat 02:10PM EEST   HEM   ►   JFK         New York, NY      
Finnair
COM261   CRJ9      En Route         JFK   ►   ORD   08:21PM CDT Sat      3 hours 15 minutes      
Comair

FIN5   A333      Scheduled      Sat 02:10PM EEST   HEM   ►   JFK         New York, NY      
Finnair
EGF3777   CRJ7      Arrived         JFK   ►   ORD   06:20PM CDT Sat      1 hour 0 minutes      
American Eagle

These are for today but might as well be for tomorrow.

And here are also a bunch of EASY connections that can make the return from Helsinki very easy:

http://flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=EFHK&originName=&destination=KORD&destinationName=
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Xarles on July 09, 2011, 08:00:58 PM
With the most and least solid, with the weakest and strongest clues and some feeling, this is the route I can come up with, for now. Can you all help me know if it fits in as it should?

ST      Los Angeles
L1      Taipei
L2      Jakarta
L3      Yogyakarta
CT      Jakarta Connect/Transit ONLY
L4??? Bangkok Connect???/Transit ONLY???
L5      Phuket
CT      Bangkok Connect/Transit ONLY
CT      Mumbai Connect/Transit ONLY
L6      Nagpur
CT      Mumbai Connect/Transit ONLY
L7??? Johannesburg Connect???/Transit ONLY???
L8      Lilongwe
CT      Addis Ababa or Nairobi Connect/Transit ONLY
CT      Amsterdam Connect/Transit ONLY
L9      Milan
L10    Brussels
L11    Helsinki
CT      New York City or Toronto Connect/Transit ONLY
L12FL Chicago
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Xarles on July 09, 2011, 08:17:34 PM
If you wonder where did I get Nagpur from? Back in June 27 I sent this private message with my Nagpur speculation:

ON JUNE 27- This is what I may have found:

1.- Phil tweeted "CONGRATS!!! #robinfarina from #nownovartis #prowomens cylcing 2011 #roadcycling national champion @iamspecialized @nooppwasted" 8 hours ago.

2.- Then I looked for whoever else was mentioning TAR in the area and found:
http://twitter.com/#!/arnandar/status/85170822599286786, which reads in Indonesian: the amazing race s.19 edisi indonesia akan muncul di ep.3 dan 4, di edisi 4, lebih ke prjlanan mereka menuju phuket&koh samui dari jogja, and the Google translation is: the amazing race s.19 Indonesian edition will appear in ep.3 and 4, in 4th edition, they headed over to prjlanan & phuket koh samui from jogja

3.- Then I moved my pin pointers to Thailand, and looked for a TAR favorite destination in the 1000 mile radius from Bangkok, found Kolkata (Calcutta), India.

4.- Then I did a search within 1000 miles of Kolkata to see who else was also communicating (tweeting) with @iamspecialized in that area, which Phil mentioned in his earlier tweet. Common friend or co-worker theory.

5.- I found this tweet: http://twitter.com/#!/geargals/statuses/83810298317897728 and by triangulating between Buthan, Nepal, New Delhi, Mumbai, Hyderabad and Chennai, I was able to nail it down within 3 miles of downtown Nagpur, India: http://search.twitter.com/search?q=+%40iamspecialized++near%3Anagpur+within%3A3mi

6.- This tweet happens to be from 3 days ago, so I (very far fetchingly) may think that @geargals shares a like for bikes with Phil, works for a specialized sport gear shop in Anchorage and possibly be ahead of the teams in Nagpur. Notice: Why does her bio only says "Out in the world", why isn't she sharing her experiences or trip in India? Why did she travel to such a far place away from the tourist beaten path? Says she'll be back (where from?) within 24 hours... and while her biz is in Alaska, Colorado and Washington tweets from India?

7.- If you visit Nagpur's tourism site it has a lot of places TAR loves: http://www.nagpuronline.co.in/attraction.php including, guess what? An international airport with flights to... Sharjah, UAE!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Babasaheb_Ambedkar_International_Airport

July 9 Note: Later on we had them on the J-burg-Lilongwe flight instead of Sharjah, that's why I had to re-route them through Mumbai to make it fit as a possible speculation.

8.- The more my imagination flies, the less far fetched I believe this is.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on July 09, 2011, 08:29:59 PM
I have to admit, that train of spec lost me somewhere in the middle.

Why does the fact that she tweeted @iamspecialized mean she was with racers?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Xarles on July 09, 2011, 08:40:38 PM
I have to admit, that train of spec lost me somewhere in the middle.

Why does the fact that she tweeted @iamspecialized mean she was with racers?

As I said, I included everything from the least solid to the most solid clue. There is absolutely NO PROOF she was with TAR, but there were four  considerations:

1.- She was having a conversation with the same person Phil Keoghan was having one.
2.- She NEVER mentions she is away in India and she is there at the right time for the race to pass by from Thailand to Malawi.
3.- She tweets from Nagpur and rushes back in time for an event in Colorado.
4.- She is a high risk sport specialist and well away from her Anchorage home base in a secretive trip.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on July 09, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
With the most and least solid, with the weakest and strongest clues and some feeling, this is the route I can come up with, for now. Can you all help me know if it fits in as it should?

ST      Los Angeles
L1      Taipei
L2      Jakarta
L3      Yogyakarta
CT      Jakarta Connect/Transit ONLY
L4??? Bangkok Connect???/Transit ONLY???
L5      Phuket
CT      Bangkok Connect/Transit ONLY
CT      Mumbai Connect/Transit ONLY
L6      Nagpur
CT      Mumbai Connect/Transit ONLY
L7??? Johannesburg Connect???/Transit ONLY???
L8      Lilongwe
CT      Addis Ababa or Nairobi Connect/Transit ONLY
CT      Amsterdam Connect/Transit ONLY
L9      Milan
L10    Brussels
L11    Helsinki
CT      New York City or Toronto Connect/Transit ONLY
L12FL Chicago
I think that   Brussels sighting is much more like a local race thing...or I miss something?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Xarles on July 09, 2011, 09:00:34 PM
There was some kind of sighting at The Atomium in Brussels which didn't have anything to do with the Boston-University-Brussels-Campus-Amazing-Race-for-newcomers-in-Lugano, Switzerland and that was the one considered, versus discarding the Boston U one.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 09, 2011, 09:58:34 PM
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Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: eddiethejet on July 10, 2011, 03:20:21 AM
maybe they can end it here in greensboro, nc.  hahaha
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on July 10, 2011, 06:46:46 AM
Is Toronto confirmed as a stopover.  :ascared

Of course not! It was a speculative idea from Xarles as the backup to a direct Helsinki-Malmi to Chicago nonstop which, if it did happen (unlikely) would have easily carried all 3 teams and any crew (Amazing Races do not appear to be telecast in the finale flight to prevent spectators from noticing and because there are crews waiting on the U.S. end to take over). Also, nonstops are the traditional way to return to the U.S. because it minimizes the probability of RFF and others sighting the teams in route.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: inomu on July 10, 2011, 09:59:03 AM
I can say that if they visited in Helsinki they surely didn't fly out of Helsinki-Malmi airport  :lol3: Malmi airport is only for small private airplanes, and it's so small that it can't be used for emergency landings for example. There is no commercial passanger traffic to Malmi airport  :js:
I doubt the Helsinki visit. It's very hot weekend here right now which means lots of people are outside and there surely would be more sightings of the race around internet. And because Amazing Race is well-known show here there would be news about visit everywhere like there was last time. But I keep my eye out on Finnish websites and media.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 10, 2011, 10:00:50 AM
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Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on July 10, 2011, 01:48:08 PM
I can't believe they are finally having a finale in Atlanta. I guess we put a lot more stock in visiting some ten year spots than WRP did. :lol: Makes you wonder if they even bothered with Victoria Falls.

I hope peach is on scene.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on July 10, 2011, 02:04:39 PM
Go peach! Chase them good!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on July 10, 2011, 03:33:11 PM
Peach, this could be the sort of year where Atlanta as a final destination city might actually be in play.

They've done Miami twice now, New York twice, and as far as international flights go from Europe, Atlanta, Boston, and D.C., and maybe Philly are about all that are left. They've used Boston as a start city. So, I suspect the ATL has at least a 1 in 3 chance this year, and teams can use the Metro out of the airport and avoid taxis completely or for parts of it. They haven't forced teams to use public transit on the finale since Chicago in TAR 6 and I think that is overdue. :)

What did I say yesterday? Huh? Huh? :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on July 10, 2011, 03:37:13 PM
We should listen to theschnauzers more. :lol: He has a good feel for this sort of thing. (I still wish they had gone to NYC)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on July 10, 2011, 03:44:10 PM
I'm not going to post possible finish line locations (although I think there are a few around Atlanta that are definitely in play, depending on what theme Bert and Company want to pursue for the final leg.)
And this summer, for some reason, there is a lot of road construction going on with all the interstates in the metro area.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on July 10, 2011, 03:48:54 PM
Should it turn out to be true, that Teams arrived today on Flight DL 37  from CDG then these may be the cities of the last pit stop:

Paris of course
Milan:   AZ 300 LIN arrives at CDG at 8:30 am
Nantes:   AF 7721 NTE arrives CDG at 8:25 am
Frankfurt:  LH 1026 FRA arrives CDG at 8:25 am
Marseille:  RO 9550 MRS arrives CDG at 8:25 am (guess where that Pit Stop would be  :lol:)
Rennes:  DB 5720 RNS arrives CDG at 8:20 am
Bordeaux:  AF 7621 BOD arrives CDG at 8:15 am
Nice:  AF 7713 NCE arrives CDG at 8:00 am
Madrid:  VY 8202 MAD arrives CDG at 7:55 am
Brussels:  SN 3631 BRU arrives CDG at 7:30 am

There could be more but the chance of an alternate connection being faster starts to eliminate those routes.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on July 10, 2011, 03:49:52 PM
I have found that WRP likes to use parks, stadiums, and homes most of the time for the finish line. Turner Field should be empty today as the Braves we're just owned here in Philly. If I recall correctly from the year I lived there, it has some history to it.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on July 10, 2011, 03:50:54 PM
I'm not going to post possible finish line locations (although I think there are a few around Atlanta that are definitely in play, depending on what theme Bert and Company want to pursue for the final leg.)
And this summer, for some reason, there is a lot of road construction going on with all the interstates in the metro area.

:lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

Anytime I have EVER been through Atlanta there has been A LOT of road construction.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on July 10, 2011, 03:54:55 PM
Take a look at what Teams encountered today leaving ATL:

And has gotten better since the first time I looked at it!  Also, keep in mind that the airport is south of town.  So it is likely that they have to go through that freeway mess north of ATL
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: selkie on July 10, 2011, 03:57:32 PM
Current weather conditions in Atlanta: 93F with a dew point of 73F for a heat index of 103F. Any outdoor tasks are going to be decidedly unpleasant, especially on top of killer fatigue.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on July 10, 2011, 04:01:48 PM
Prophet I've sent my ideas to Peach, in case she's checking her PMs this afternoon.

I'm not going to comment on that list I sent to Peach.

As to Turner Field, it is the permanent infrastructure of the 1996 Centennial Olympic Stadium; if you look at a current map of downtown Atlanta, the Olympic Torch structure is about two blocks north, along with pylons commemorating the 1996 Games, and of course, Centennial Olympic Park is a couple of miles to the northwest of Turner Field.

As to the road construction....it is worse than normal, several interstates are adding high occupancy toll lanes, and there's been a major reconstruction of a interchange with Georgia 316 that has taken two years already.. (I do read the Atlanta Journal Constitution online all the time.)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mds1978 on July 10, 2011, 04:04:12 PM
Uhm....has anyone actually seen the teams yet in ATL or is this all just based on two tweets, one of which said, shortly after posting that she saw TAR crew at ATL, that the race will actually be filming tomorrow? (tweeted just 20 minutes ago)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on July 10, 2011, 04:09:50 PM
There was also a FB post quoted   :duno:

Better than nothing! 

The timing is right and the location and flights work.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Oddarane on July 10, 2011, 04:50:03 PM
Are they done filming now? Seems like they've been filming forever....
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: paldog123456 on July 10, 2011, 09:48:46 PM
Is Atlanta for sure the finale city?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: eddiethejet on July 10, 2011, 10:38:27 PM
I have found that WRP likes to use parks, stadiums, and homes most of the time for the finish line. Turner Field should be empty today as the Braves we're just owned here in Philly. If I recall correctly from the year I lived there, it has some history to it.

they can also use the georgia dome. 
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on July 10, 2011, 10:40:19 PM
Or the..... Swan House! A bit secluded! :snicker:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 10, 2011, 10:56:01 PM
Is it safe to say the race has finished? Maybe the teams went to Birmingham or some where else outside Atlanta?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on July 10, 2011, 11:44:52 PM
Or the..... Swan House! A bit secluded! :snicker:

What does this tell you?  Website (http://www.atlantahistorycenter.com/cms/Swan+House/116.html)   :lol3:

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 10, 2011, 11:51:42 PM
:lol: :lol:


Wow, How did you stumble upon this? I guess we have our final pitstop.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on July 11, 2011, 12:06:06 AM
OMG OMG OMG. :hearts:

Is the race over now? Is it safe?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: eddiethejet on July 11, 2011, 12:13:12 AM
Or the..... Swan House! A bit secluded! :snicker:

What does this tell you?  Website (http://www.atlantahistorycenter.com/cms/Swan+House/116.html)   :lol3:

all i can say is wow!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on July 11, 2011, 12:54:39 AM
Since it got mentioned, Swan House was on my list of suggestiions of possible locations to Peach this afternoon.  Been there as guest for a wedding, and some other event years ago.  Not only secluded, but hard to get to, and even the cab srivers would have trouble with it.

Some of the other places I have in mind are also potential secluded or closed for filming.  But we'll just have to wait and see.

I'm off to bed.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on July 11, 2011, 02:05:38 AM
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Not only secluded, but hard to get to, and even the cab srivers would have trouble with it.

SAY NO TO CABBIE DOWNFALL TO ANY FINAL THREE TEAM. </3
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on July 11, 2011, 03:00:59 AM
About 1-2 years ago (during TAR15 season), I hosted a fantasy TAR game that ended in ATL. I asked Peach about a possible Finish Line in her dear place. She strongly suggested the Swan House, because it is secluded AND very hard to get into.

So I am very confident that know Peach knows her place very well. She knows where to go. I hope she saw the teams! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 11, 2011, 07:18:01 AM
Is Atlanta for sure the finale city?

OMG OMG OMG. :hearts:

Is the race over now? Is it safe?


Yes!! To my utmost joy and delight, TAR 19 completed the race in my own hometown!!
 
 
FINALE CITY: ATLANTA, GEORGIA
 
FINALE DATE: JULY 10, 2011
 
PITSTOP: THE SWAN HOUSE
 
We SO wanted to tell you all, but as you all know, RFF chooses to never reveal the start or finale locations in advance...to protect the race from unintentional interference.

 
And yes, The Swan House has always been my own TOP pick for a Pitstop in Atlanta...way back when I first suggested it to Cocoa for his game. A PERFECT choice.
 
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2019/FINALE/b7ec30b5.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Reilly Queens on July 11, 2011, 07:20:48 AM
OMG OMG!!!! I hope you have some pics that will tease us at the end!!! :jumpy:

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Snooky on July 11, 2011, 07:52:38 AM
OMG OMG!!!! I hope you have some pics that will tease us at the end!!! :jumpy:


:lol:

Also, yay @ Atlanta!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: David on July 11, 2011, 08:48:17 AM
OMG. Footrace in the stairs of Swan House <3

Why didn't I notice there were *thoughts* about Spain being the last stopover? I should have searched before, but I've done now, and nothing seems to appear... I think not Madrid, or not TAR fans having seen them.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: smiley on July 11, 2011, 08:50:31 AM

We SO wanted to tell you all, but as you all know, RFF chooses to never reveal the start or finale locations in advance...to protect the race from unintentional interference.


So I have a question -- how did YOU know before hand where the finish line was?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: docol on July 11, 2011, 09:39:14 AM
Quote
Yes!! To my utmost joy and delight, TAR 19 completed the race in my own hometown!!
 
 
FINALE CITY: ATLANTA, GEORGIA
 
FINALE DATE: JULY 10, 2011
 
PITSTOP: THE SWAN HOUSE
 
We SO wanted to tell you all, but as you all know, RFF chooses to never reveal the start or finale locations in advance...to protect the race from unintentional interference.

 
And yes, The Swan House has always been my own TOP pick for a Pitstop in Atlanta...way back when I first suggested it to Cocoa for his game. A PERFECT choice.
 
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2019/FINALE/b7ec30b5.jpg)

how can u crack that code (the one with the swan house in the background with all those letter/numbers/symbols in it)?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on July 11, 2011, 09:40:41 AM

Quote
So I have a question -- how did YOU know before hand where the finish line was?

Call it the hometown advantage!  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on July 11, 2011, 09:56:41 AM
how can u crack that code (the one with the swan house in the background with all those letter/numbers/symbols in it)?

:lol:

It has nothing to do with TAR 19. :lol:

It was from my fantasy game (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18643.msg479485.html#msg479485) that ended in Atlanta. :lol:

Peach really really really knows her place. She even predicted a year and a half ago that if TAR comes there, Swan House is one of the greatest potential to be the Finish Line. Kudos Peach! Kudos!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on July 11, 2011, 10:43:29 AM
TAR = Daring.. ending at the hometown of a TAR Detective. LMAO.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on July 11, 2011, 10:59:30 AM
I am just as happy about it as Peach is; and no, she didn't tell me anything. I figured it was a strong possibility once we had tweets from Atlanta Airport and Facebook.

Swan House by the way, is in the middle of the Buckhead neighborhood -- very near -- three or four blocks, depending on how you count them, of  the main intersection of Peachtree Road and West Paces Ferry, and directly off of Andrews Road. (There's a Swan Coach House restaurant, that is on the same 30 or so acres. but it is not the Swan House.) When you look at the neighborhood on Google Earth, you will understand why Peach and I both say it is hard to get to even for the taxi drivers; and it is in the middle of a rich, urban neighborhood!

Edited to add: This is the second finish line in a row that I have been to (more than once each, oddly enough). That is just weird inasmuch as I've never been west of the Rockies.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: WalterC on July 11, 2011, 11:12:20 AM
Swan House by the way, is in the middle of the Buckhead neighborhood -- very near -- three or four blocks, depending on how you count them, of  the main intersection of Peachtree Road and West Paces Ferry, and directly off of Andrews Road. (There's a Swan Coach House reastuarant, that is on the same 30 or so acres. but it is not the Swan House.) When you look at the neighboorhood on Google Earth, you will understand why Peach and I both say it is hard to get to even for the taxi drivers; and it is in the middle of a rich, urban neighborhood!

I can attest to that as well, as I was in Atlanta couple weekends ago, and had a very hard time finding the museum itself, where the Swan House is located. The signs pointing to the place, aren't exactly easy to find, as they tend to be small and sometimes hidden. Hope the teams had the best of luck finding it.

Interesting that I declined to tour the house this time around, because of time and the fact that I tried to limit my time outdoors in this Hotlanta weather. Wasn't sure if it was air-conditioned.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on July 11, 2011, 01:48:04 PM

We SO wanted to tell you all, but as you all know, RFF chooses to never reveal the start or finale locations in advance...to protect the race from unintentional interference.
So I have a question -- how did YOU know before hand where the finish line was?

There are always interesting hints if you know where to look. :lol:


(http://i.imm.io/7mha.png)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: walkingpneumonia on July 11, 2011, 02:20:43 PM

We SO wanted to tell you all, but as you all know, RFF chooses to never reveal the start or finale locations in advance...to protect the race from unintentional interference.
So I have a question -- how did YOU know before hand where the finish line was?

There are always interesting hints if you know where to look. :lol:


(http://i.imm.io/7mha.png)

There are even more interesting hints if you look harder... :neener:
And even when you find something, it can be all about how you interpret the clues :spy:
Am I being cyptic enough?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on July 11, 2011, 02:38:23 PM
So they also visited the gardens and the Margaret Mitchell house as well then.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on July 11, 2011, 02:49:16 PM
Maybe they just needed to close them all at once to avoid suspicion? :duno: They are all operated by the Atlanta History Center. And the Swan House is normally open from 1-4 PM on Sundays.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on July 11, 2011, 02:53:58 PM
The acreage where the Swan House is located is all one piece of property. I'd be impossible to hide the presence of camera crews and production from those places within. If I could have capped the Google Earth view, you'd be able to see exactly what I mean.

And no, I wasn't in on the information. My comments were based on my own instincts, and once it was apparently teams would in fact be returning from Europe, and given how the Race has avoided using the same city as an end point since All-Stars, the odds to me of Atlanta finally coming into play just seemed obvious.

I have a suspicion that there's a film permit or two involved somewhere, but I honestly haven't tried to look.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: walkingpneumonia on July 11, 2011, 03:13:52 PM
Maybe they just needed to close them all at once to avoid suspicion? :duno: They are all operated by the Atlanta History Center. And the Swan House is normally open from 1-4 PM on Sundays.

Sorry, I'm waiting like everyone else for Peach's epic story  :popcorn: and I don't want to steal her thunder.
Lets just say there was a lot of searching, planning and intrigue that led us to Atlanta. We all owe Peach a beer (or a mint julip).

Will she ever wake up from her nap? :zz:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: boston_jen on July 11, 2011, 03:24:33 PM
So they also visited the gardens and the Margaret Mitchell house as well then.

This was on their website:

CLOSED for the Day

Sunday, July 10, 2011

The Margaret Mitchell House is closed to the public.

Return to Home
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mds1978 on July 11, 2011, 03:37:34 PM
One of the tasks was probably at the coca-cola museum in atlanta.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on July 11, 2011, 04:08:37 PM
mds, which one? There's more than one downtown.
There's the location of the building where the pharmacy was located where Coca-Cola was created; there's the original location of the World of Coca-Cola near Underground Atlanta (a history item right there as well), or the location of the current World of Coca-Cola on the north end of the Centennial Olympic Park, next to the Georgia Aquarium (the world's largest).

I'll be very interested to see where the final teams were sent between the airport and Swan House. On paper, there's a lot of possibilities.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on July 11, 2011, 04:47:54 PM
Here's a cap from Google Earth of the area where the Swan House is located.

The address in the cap is the address for the Swan Coach House (which is a restaurant); the Swan House is to the left and above the Swan Coach House.  You can also see the Atlanta History Museum looking towards the top, along West Paces Ferry Road.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on July 11, 2011, 07:42:10 PM
mds, which one? There's more than one downtown.
There's the location of the building where the pharmacy was located where Coca-Cola was created; there's the original location of the World of Coca-Cola near Underground Atlanta (a history item right there as well), or the location of the current World of Coca-Cola on the north end of the Centennial Olympic Park, next to the Georgia Aquarium (the world's largest).

I'll be very interested to see where the final teams were sent between the airport and Swan House. On paper, there's a lot of possibilities.

The old one by Underground Atlanta is completely shut down. Here's some interesting stuff about event planning at the new site:

http://www.worldofcoca-cola.com/audiovisualspecifications.htm

http://www.worldofcoca-cola.com/a-zplanningguide.htm

However it was not closed yesterday and they receive thousands of daily visitors. Just by looking through Twitter it is apparent that many people were there yesterday and did not see anything odd.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on July 11, 2011, 07:47:51 PM
I would say the same for other obvious places like Olympic Park and the Georgia Aquarium. Lots of people there, most of whom tweeted about it but no sightings.

The only way WRP could handle somewhere as busy as Atlanta is to go somewhere where most people aren't.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on July 11, 2011, 08:34:04 PM
I hope the Driving Miss Daisy house is visited. :snicker: If so, then one of Peach's places predicted will add up! :lol:

Peach! :hearts: :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on July 11, 2011, 09:34:35 PM
I would say the same for other obvious places like Olympic Park and the Georgia Aquarium. Lots of people there, most of whom tweeted about it but no sightings.

The only way WRP could handle somewhere as busy as Atlanta is to go somewhere where most people aren't.

of course TAR15 had them repeling down Mandalay Bay and no one had a clue!  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on July 12, 2011, 03:16:59 PM
I would say the same for other obvious places like Olympic Park and the Georgia Aquarium. Lots of people there, most of whom tweeted about it but no sightings.

The only way WRP could handle somewhere as busy as Atlanta is to go somewhere where most people aren't.

of course TAR15 had them repeling down Mandalay Bay and no one had a clue!  :lol:

 :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Zack. on July 12, 2011, 11:09:02 PM
I suspect that given how ridiculously hot it was in Atlanta that many of the tasks may have been indoors (much like all the indoor tasks in Vegas).
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: eddiethejet on July 12, 2011, 11:20:06 PM
I suspect that given how ridiculously hot it was in Atlanta that many of the tasks may have been indoors (much like all the indoor tasks in Vegas).

maybe so.  i am in nc and it has been in the upper 90s all throughout the south here this past week.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: milanissimo on July 13, 2011, 06:46:24 AM
which is the route??
 :hoot:
I think
1)TAIWAN
2)INDONESIA
3)THAILAND
4)MIDDLE EAST COUNTRY  (QATAR)
5) SOUTH AFRICA  Durban
6)MALAWI
7)ITALY   Milan
8)FRANCE
9)USA
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: topaz on July 13, 2011, 11:50:15 PM
which is the route??
 :hoot:
I think
1)TAIWAN
2)INDONESIA
3)THAILAND
4)MIDDLE EAST COUNTRY  (QATAR)
5) SOUTH AFRICA  Durban
6)MALAWI
7)ITALY   Milan
8)FRANCE
9)USA
sorry, millanissimo no Qatar and France for TAR 19 and you should post this one on the specs section. :umn:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 14, 2011, 10:36:06 AM
it is in the spec setion.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Mandoli on July 16, 2011, 04:13:07 PM
I would say the same for other obvious places like Olympic Park and the Georgia Aquarium. Lots of people there, most of whom tweeted about it but no sightings.

The only way WRP could handle somewhere as busy as Atlanta is to go somewhere where most people aren't.

of course TAR15 had them repeling down Mandalay Bay and no one had a clue!  :lol:

Given the fact that when they were doing the repel, they were on a side of the hotel not visible from the Strip, then... Yeah, nobody was seeing them. Although I wonder what they told people staying in hotel rooms on that side? "We need you to leave your room for a little bit, as we're going to be filming something here today"?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on July 18, 2011, 02:23:02 AM
Probably told them that people are doing windows cleaning. :lol:

I like it that this season has limited spoilers after Indonesia, especially when I'm not following the spoilers anymore. :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on July 21, 2011, 11:05:27 AM
Personally, I find next season's route awesome.

leg 1: Taiwan (only visited once before)
leg 2/3: INDONESIA!!
leg 4: Phuket
leg 5/6/7: Malawi and/or South Africa and/or Kenya (a region that has not been visited since TAR 11)
leg 8/9/10: Europe (with a possibility of a third new country ex.: Belgium)
leg 11: hopefully Panama (Central America was last visited by a normal race in TAR 3)
leg 12: Atlanta (Peach's city, maybe she handed out the final clue :lol:)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: lostinTARland on July 21, 2011, 05:06:07 PM
Personally, I find next season's route awesome.

leg 1: Taiwan (only visited once before)
leg 2/3: INDONESIA!!
leg 4: Phuket
leg 5/6/7: Malawi and/or South Africa and/or Kenya (a region that has not been visited since TAR 11)
leg 8/9/10: Europe (with a possibility of a third new country ex.: Belgium)
leg 11: hopefully Panama (Central America was last visited by a normal race in TAR 3)
leg 12: Atlanta (Peach's city, maybe she handed out the final clue :lol:)

 That would be fabulous :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on July 22, 2011, 06:38:41 PM
This race course is seeming more and more like the fans wishlist course :lol: Indonesia, Denmark, Belgium, Atlanta, etc. are places people have been pushing for a long time and now we have them all at once.

 :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on July 22, 2011, 06:55:46 PM
This race course is seeming more and more like the fans wishlist course :lol: Indonesia, Denmark, Belgium, Atlanta, etc. are places people have been pushing for a long time and now we have them all at once.

 :yess:

I have to agree. It's looking like my all time favorite course. If they have come up with great teams and great detours and roadblocks too, we'll be all set.  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 22, 2011, 07:13:10 PM
So it is shaping up to be:

Leg 1: USA-Chinese Taipei
Leg 2: Chinese Taipei- Indonesia
Leg 3: Indonesia
Leg 4: Indonesia-Thailand
Leg 5: Thailand-Malawi
Leg 6: Malawi
Leg 7: Malawi-?
Leg 8: ?- Denmark
Leg 9: Denmark
Leg 10:Denmark-Belgium
Leg 11:Belgium-Panama
Leg 12: Panama- Atlanta, USA.

That mystery destination connected through Amsterdam. If the leg was in Amsterdam why would teams fly to Denmark and then back to Belgium?

Also, there was a sighting that put teams in Helsinki?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 22, 2011, 08:04:54 PM
So it is shaping up to be:

Leg 1: USA-Chinese Taipei
Leg 2: Chinese Taipei- Indonesia
Leg 3: Indonesia
Leg 4: Indonesia-Thailand
Leg 5: Thailand-Malawi
Leg 6: Malawi
Leg 7: Malawi-?
Leg 8: ?- Denmark
Leg 9: Denmark
Leg 10:Denmark-Belgium
Leg 11:Belgium-Panama
Leg 12: Panama- Atlanta, USA.

That mystery destination connected through Amsterdam. If the leg was in Amsterdam why would teams fly to Denmark and then back to Belgium?

Also, there was a sighting that put teams in Helsinki?

No...you cannot assign leg numbers yet, there are still either missing locations or double legs to sort out.

I would do this for now:

Leg 1: USA- Taipei
Leg 2: Indonesia
Leg 3: Indonesia
Leg 4: Phuket
Leg 5: Thailand
Leg 6 (?): Malawi
Leg 7 (?): Malawi
Leg? Denmark
Leg? Belgium
Leg?
Leg 11:Panama City
Leg 12:Atlanta, USA.


With the understanding that the LEG NUMBERS after Thailand are not yet firm. Any Leg with a (?) could be re-numbered (the legs themselves are not in doubt, only the Leg #'s)

We believe Malawi to be a double leg, one of the other countries will likely be as well. But based on the info we have, another country can not yet be ruled out either, although :duno:

Malawi probably follows Thailand with Joburg as transit only, but even that is not yet proven 100%.

So don't jump ahead of ourselves please...  I would like our proposed Timelines to be as accurate as possible in reflecting what we know for SURE. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 22, 2011, 08:10:20 PM
leg 12: Atlanta (Peach's city, maybe she handed out the final clue :lol: )


That would be fabulous :hearts:

Wouldn't it though?? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 22, 2011, 08:47:28 PM
Is it safe to say teams connected through Amsterdam to get to Copenhagen?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on July 22, 2011, 10:12:37 PM
4 new countries (5 for some) in only one season?!?!?  :ascared :jumpy:
Isen't it to much?? I mean... the last time there were more than 3 new countries was in TAR 12 with 5 (or 4). TAR 13 had 3 new ones and then TAR 14-18 had only one or two... Don't they want to keep some for later seasons???
Is Belgium for shure??? Or is it only based on the facebook post... :duno:

Anyway, this may be my all time favourite course for me two  :hearts: (maybe after TAR 10)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on July 22, 2011, 10:13:39 PM
Is it safe to say teams connected through Amsterdam to get to Copenhagen?

Given the timeline I think that's the only thing you can say.  Teams arrived at AMS on July 3rd.  And then they are already 40 km outside of Copenhagen mid-day on July 4th.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on July 22, 2011, 10:47:37 PM
4 new countries (5 for some) in only one season?!?!?  :ascared :jumpy:
Isen't it to much?? I mean... the last time there were more than 3 new countries was in TAR 12 with 5 (or 4). TAR 13 had 3 new ones and then TAR 14-18 had only one or two... Don't they want to keep some for later seasons???
Is Belgium for shure??? Or is it only based on the facebook post... :duno:

Anyway, this may be my all time favourite course for me two  :hearts: (maybe after TAR 10)

Best season in terms of new countries being visited was season 6 (Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Senegal, Hungary, Sri Lanka and Ethiopia.)

As for my fav, route, it has to be Season 5 (all continents visited)

And Belgium is right now based on the post.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: notagoodname on July 23, 2011, 05:48:47 AM
With Northern Europe being towards the end, i would  venture to bet trains were used instead of planes....thats how i would travel that area...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on July 23, 2011, 12:25:58 PM
With Northern Europe being towards the end, i would  venture to bet trains were used instead of planes....thats how i would travel that area...

Any ideas of trains between Brussells and Copenhagen.

I expect our transportation experts will have better insights than me, but after checking a travel forum and checking the train schedules, it appears that flying is much faster and recommended over trains. Trains take about 14-16 hours to travel from Copenhagen to Brussels (or vice versa) with a train change in Cologne, Germany. Most of that time is spent on a slow train between Cologne and Copenhagen. The trains leave in the evening and arrive the next morning, so if the leg was completed in morning, you'd have to sit around and wait until early evening for the train.

That timing might be attractive to WRP for HD filming purposes though.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on July 23, 2011, 01:56:34 PM
Keep in mind that production sometimes decides to use trains (or even long-distance buses) in order to allow Phil to fly and get ahead of the teams. That's more or less something the show has to do in conjunction with the length of pitstops in order to manage Phil's filming schedule before teams arrive at a new city or country.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on August 31, 2011, 07:18:09 AM
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25517.msg657170.html#msg657170

I wonder how the Hazard could differ from the Speed Bump. :duno: Perhaps rather than having to an extra task, they have to take a predetermined task an extra step than everyone else has to. What does anyone else think?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ovalorange on August 31, 2011, 07:27:49 AM
I don't know what this hazard could be, but I'm thinking it's dished out at the Hsi Lai Buddhist Temple in Hacienda Heights. Why else would the group shot be taken there? We know they start in Pt. Mugu, why would they be stopping to take the photo, the race has already begun ???

Though 'Hazard' spells out danger to me... maybe the teams placement is 'dangered' and could possibly be pushed down...?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on August 31, 2011, 07:29:22 AM
Remember that we already know that one team was significntly behind on the first leg...wonder if the penalty twist is applied right then instead of on the following leg?

Do both RB's ? ??? pure spec..
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on August 31, 2011, 07:44:10 AM
Though 'Hazard' spells out danger to me... maybe the teams placement is 'dangered' and could possibly be pushed down...?

Do both RB's ? ??? pure spec..

Both seem viable and possible to me. A team could lose a certain number of spaces at the Pit Stop, though this is similar to marked for elimination, or both team members have to do the Roadblock. :duno: It just seems like to me it would be something other than an extra task.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on August 31, 2011, 07:58:29 AM
All I can think of when I hear the word 'hazard' is: They will get a faulty car which will explode by any minute. :lol: :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on August 31, 2011, 08:00:21 AM
tar use traffic sign like the yelid or detour or roadlbock i think how they came up with hazzard
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on August 31, 2011, 08:23:26 AM
Good idea, zach!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on August 31, 2011, 08:24:58 AM
or speed bump it race around the world something survivoir has nothing realte anything but tar as lot realte with traffic signs
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on August 31, 2011, 09:39:32 AM
If they are listening to criticism that people give, they could be using the Hazard as a longer version of a Speed Bump. Speed Bumps are way to short and easy there days according to many fans. Perhaps the Hazard is a long task in itself that can't be completed in a matter of 10 minutes.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on August 31, 2011, 09:52:00 AM
I believe that the Speed Bump should have an average completion time of 30 minutes, which is after all the amount of time that the Marked for Elimination penalty applies most of the time. However, something got lost in its implementation and the Speed Bump appear to average more like 15 minutes. A simple solution is just to make the Speed Bumps longer, which will cause more penalized teams to be eliminated the leg in which it is applied.   
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on August 31, 2011, 10:24:24 AM
Check out the new TAR symbol <333
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8463/tarsym.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on August 31, 2011, 11:37:39 AM
I Think that is a promotional thing from CBS, and not a change in the show's own graphics.

The font is identical to the one CBS has been using the last few seasons in promos, just different colors.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on August 31, 2011, 12:32:19 PM
I Think that is a promotional thing from CBS, and not a change in the show's own graphics.

The font is identical to the one CBS has been using the last few seasons in promos, just different colors.

Yeah, I guess they do tend to change their promotional things. I just like it. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on August 31, 2011, 12:37:21 PM
Phil talks about the season: http://youtu.be/S_aP3uuhtGs (http://youtu.be/S_aP3uuhtGs)
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/v/S_aP3uuhtGs?version=3&amp

He says the Hazard must be completed before the first Pitstop. It is placed on the team who finishes the starting task last.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on August 31, 2011, 12:42:16 PM
Remember that we already know that one team was significntly behind on the first leg...wonder if the penalty twist is applied right then instead of on the following leg?

Do both RB's ? ??? pure spec..

I agree but Speed bump in the leg, so if you arrive last to a clue you have to do the task.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on August 31, 2011, 04:14:05 PM
Check out the new TAR symbol <333
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8463/tarsym.jpg)

It's the Jack in the Box commercial:  drop the bag, beat the drums  :lol:

http://youtu.be/CWVnPlUCrf8?t=25s
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: kiki on September 17, 2011, 04:09:26 AM
I just had a crazy idea and wanted to share it.

We already saw two sports cars so far in the promos, one red one silver, this could mean a task with them. Last year the task with the cars was at Leg 8 in Austria at F6, if there is again this year a task it would probably be in Europe again. 

There is a famous circuit in Belgium the circuit de Spa Francorchamps, where a Formula 1 race takes place every year, it's about 150Km from Brussels, that is about 1 hour 30min. away., so it could be a possible location.

Spa has a rich vegetation, lots of trees and when you see the cars in the promo at the back you can see lots of trees.


According to the calendar of the circuit at July 6, when we suppose TAR was in Belgium,  there is nothing official scheduled.

Of course all these is pure speculation and I might be completely mistaken.

Edit: Forget it, I found a picture of the circuit at July 6, there was car testing that day so TAR couldn't have been there.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on September 19, 2011, 11:57:12 PM
Okay so we've been seeing a lot of these 2012 Ford Mustangs in the promos. I believe in all previous TARs, the Ford tie-in has been for one episode only. With teams using te Ford Explorers at the startline, I think it's safe to say that te Mustangs will appear in ep1.

Now it turns out Ford actually do have a factory in Taiwan, the Ford Lio Ho. This is Ford though so they dotend to have factories everywhere. There is no mention of this plant assembling Mustangs, but as far as I can tell, there's no mention of any factory making them, so the site just may not be updated yet.

The factory doesn't appear to have a testing facility though, so where else would it be legal to perform donuts?
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/local/pingtung/2011/06/23/307221/1st-international-level.htm
The track won't officially open until October, but it is almost certainly already completed. Taiwan is such a small country its hard to find anywhere else that's possible!

Clutching at straws a bit here...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on September 20, 2011, 12:11:14 AM
The only thing is that in Taipei it is very unlikely that all the teams could have done a task we did not see. ;)

SO I think that leaves the Hazard Speedbump as the only possibility...and if it is given to the team who arrives last at the first leg...then it must be done before the Pitstop in Yogyakarta.

So my guess is that it could be  a one team task done in Jogja.

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on September 20, 2011, 12:19:49 AM
The only thing is that in Taipei it is very unlikely that all the teams could have done a task we did not see. ;)

SO I think that leaves the Hazard as the only possibility...and if it is given to the team who arrives last at the first leg...then it must be done before the Pitstop in Yogyakarta.

So my guess is that it couldd be  a one team task done in Jogja.

Oh! I though the Hazard was given to the last teamto complete the fan task at the start line? If not, then what was the point in it, just for airline tickets?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on September 20, 2011, 06:30:03 PM
The only thing is that in Taipei it is very unlikely that all the teams could have done a task we did not see. ;)

SO I think that leaves the Hazard as the only possibility...and if it is given to the team who arrives last at the first leg...then it must be done before the Pitstop in Yogyakarta.

So my guess is that it couldd be  a one team task done in Jogja.

Oh! I though the Hazard was given to the last teamto complete the fan task at the start line? If not, then what was the point in it, just for airline tickets?

You're right about that Dom and it would be performed before the Pitstop in Taipei. Also, the Mustangs look to be in Indonesia so it could be a Speed Bump.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on September 20, 2011, 08:05:54 PM
The only thing is that in Taipei it is very unlikely that all the teams could have done a task we did not see. ;)

SO I think that leaves the Hazard as the only possibility...and if it is given to the team who arrives last at the first leg...then it must be done before the Pitstop in Yogyakarta.

So my guess is that it could be  a one team task done in Jogja.




Sorry..that should have read Speedbump!  :-[

Hazard: given to team who completes Start Line task last, must be completed by Pitstop in Taipei.

Speedbump: Given to team who checks in last in Taipei, must be completed in Yogyakarta.


But I am going to backtrack anyway... ONE team could have briefly eluded us for an extra task (Hazard) in Taipei. Same in Jogja (Speedbump). We know that one team was some hours behind in Taipei...does that mean they were doing an extra task? Possibly...but by no means certain.

So the Mustangs could be one or the other...but almost certainly to be seen in EP 1 or 2.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on September 21, 2011, 12:17:31 AM
I've been looking into possible locations for this Mustang task and come up with a few ideas. We see the driver wearing a helmet, implying that this is not taking place on public roads. So the private location needs to have the wide expanse where we see the white Mustang performing donuts on, and also a long straight with forest cover that we see the red Mustang speeding through.

I'm fairly certain Taiwan doesn't have a facility that fits this description, let alone even a single race circuit. We also know of quite a large number tasks, more than the average first leg, so I will be very surprised if it is Taiwan.

Looking at Indonesia, I can't find any information on any circuit other than the Sentul Circuit posted earlier. Watching a lap of this circuit, its clear that the footage doesn't fit here. Ford don't have a production plant in Indonesia, so the Mustangs would have had to have been shipped over, unless they were hired from a third party.

Looking over the circuits in Thailand, a possible fit is the Kaeng Krachan track. If you go to 1:30 on this video, the trees on the right seem like a possible match. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHCOpLxugCQ However, the lighting of the Mustang shot implies that there is tree cover on both sides of the track.

A notable feature of the red Mustang shot is the long grass. It is unusual to see such unkempt greenery in a top-class circuit, unless it was a huge facility. This made me look into Ford Testing Facilities. We saw teams take a ride on the Mercedes-Benz test track in Germany in Season 9, so why not again with Ford? Ford have no testing grounds in Asia, but apart from one in the UK, the only other one in Europe is in BELGIUM: The Lommel Proving Ground.

The facility itself is huge, with a large variety of tracks which are all closed to the public. As a result, there are very few videos of the track itself. Of the few there are though, they show evidence of narrow straights, undulating terrain, forest cover on both sides with very similar trees to the ones we see in the footage. In short, some parts of the Ford facility seem to be a perfect fit for the Mustang task.

We've wondered why there was virtually no sightings of the race in Belgium. The test track is quite removed from any major city, so if teams were touring the remote Belgian countryside (or maybe even the Dutch as well; the border is only a couple of miles away) for this leg, no wonder we had no info.

Still no concrete proof, but at the moment, this is my best guess..
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: redskevin88 on September 21, 2011, 01:23:35 AM
I think they were just showcasing a potential prize for the season, and had no connection to any leg.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on September 21, 2011, 03:47:22 AM
Great research Domel! But I would still be surprised if something shown in the first promo was for an episode beyond the first two. Can't remember them doing that.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on September 21, 2011, 03:50:39 AM
Great research Domel! But I would still be surprised if something shown in the first promo was for an episode beyond the first two. Can't remember them doing that.

Yeah that's my only concern. I guess the argument would be that it fits with the 'X-Treme' theme of the promo and doesn't spoil a specific location, but I suppose its unlikely!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on September 21, 2011, 10:16:24 AM
The only reason why the source of that clip could be a later episode is that we can't see any Racers in the episode. And the fact that we're having problems pinning down a location in either Taiwan or Indonesia that fits the clips, as well as a source for the vehicles, leaves this wide open.

And the fact that they haven't done that in the previously doesn't preclude it now, especially when the clip tells us nothing about the teams or the location or even what type of task might be involved.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on September 21, 2011, 10:33:48 AM
The only reason why the source of that clip could be a later episode is that we can't see any Racers in the episode. And the fact that we're having problems pinning down a location in either Taiwan or Indonesia that fits the clips, as well as a source for the vehicles, leaves this wide open.

And the fact that they haven't done that in the previously doesn't preclude it now, especially when the clip tells us nothing about the teams or the location or even what type of task might be involved.

That's a good point! Its an exciting clip, doesn't spoil anything and earns them big points (and dollars) with Ford. So why wouldn't they use it? Only a small minority of the audience (which includes us!) will wonder where the cars were if its not the first two legs..
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: kiki on September 21, 2011, 11:20:37 AM
^ Europe is easier to transport the cars and most of the car tasks all these years have been located in Europe. On the other hand drifting is most popular in Asia. So if we don't see the cars in the first two episodes my next bet would be Thailand.

Imagine though, if after all this speculation the cars turn out to have no real connection to the race. That would be hilarious.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on September 21, 2011, 11:24:09 AM
^ Europe is easier to transport the cars and most of the car tasks all these years have been located in Europe. On the other hand drifting is most popular in Asia. So if we don't see the cars in the first two episodes my next bet would be Thailand.

Imagine though, if after all this speculation the cars turn out to have no real connection to the race. That would be hilarious.

That would be TERRIBLE !  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on September 21, 2011, 12:49:57 PM
Good points! Remember that "drifting" is just my spec as well...we have nothing firm, it just looked possible.

And they may even have done this clue for a later ep before, I am notoriously bad about remembering stuff like that.

And as someone said...we are WAY overloaded with yummy tasks already in ep 1 and 2...so don't know if this would even fit a Hazard or SpeedBump. Seems like safety briefings etc would take much longer than the usual 20-30 minutes alloted for those. So we may need to look closer at the tasks we have already...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on September 23, 2011, 07:38:51 PM
WP found a press release that explains the Mustang thing really well. It looks like it will be a task for leg two and the winners of that leg will receive some cars.
There are supposed to also be tasks along the way featuring Fiestas and Fusions. Lots of (http://www.buddy-icons.info/img/icon/25230.gif) :lol:

A quick search found some mentions of this on some car forums as well so hopefully this will be a great cross promotion for them.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on September 23, 2011, 08:05:53 PM
The article I read did not mention episode 2, but "an upcoming leg," and the prize at the pit stop wasn't tied to any particular leg in the article.
I'm quite relunctant to assume that those referred to episode two when we're still not sure when the Mustangs come into play -- we have speculation, and it may be ultimately sound speculation, but I don't think we're at that point yet with what we know (as opposed to inferences). JMO, YMMV.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on September 23, 2011, 08:13:59 PM
The article I read did not mention episode 2, but "an upcoming leg," and the prize at the pit stop wasn't tied to any particular leg in the article.

I agree. Upcoming leg is all we know...could be anywhere!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on September 23, 2011, 08:50:34 PM
Episode 2 was my spec, borrowed from several who identified the location as Indonesia. Could be leg three since there are not many gaps in leg two or I/they could be wrong.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on September 24, 2011, 12:55:33 PM
Phil says: 'We have a few circumstances this season. The weather played a major effect on where we went later on. We had to change course midway through, so that was a challenge.'

I think it could be one of these events:

Tropical Storm Meari (also referred to as Falcon) left dozens of people dead as it impacted several countries in East Asia. The storm formed east of the Philippines on June 20th and the Philippine Atmospheric, Geophysical, and Astronomical Services Administration (PAGASA) named the storm 'Falcon' that evening. The storm was upgraded to tropical storm strength on the 22nd and the Japan Meteorological Agency named the cyclone 'Meari'. The storm reached maximum intensity of 70 mph (110 km/hr). At least eight fatalities were reported in the Philippines , where an estimated 1.7 million people across 12 provinces were affected. Media reports stated that at least nine people were killed in South Korea and 17 people were killed in northern Vietnam due to lightning strikes and flooding from the storm. Meari made landfall in southwestern North Korea near the city of Pyongyang on the 27th; however, no information about possible deaths or damages was publicly available. The storm disippated that same day as it moved over land.

This could easily force a change of route if any of the above countries were planned..

In nearby Nepal and northeastern India, almost 80 people perished and 200,000 had to be evacuated due to heavy rains and subsequent landslides since the monsoon season began in June.

Also possible, but would WRP have planned five new countries in this race?

My money's on Meari. I don't think the Philippines was on the original route, as the US has a travel warning out at the moment for that country.

But the real question is, will we ever find out?!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on September 24, 2011, 03:27:04 PM
I like it.... nice job!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on September 24, 2011, 10:15:17 PM
I'm not sure if I posting this in the right place, but I recently read an interview Jenna and Ethan did on The Amazing Race. The two things that popped out to me were this:
“We went into the game not wanting to tell anyone that we were on 'Survivor' and you’ll see how that works out,” Morasca told CNN by phone. (There were, of course, a lot of “You have to watch the show” mentions, seeing as the filming wrapped in July. The only thing we could glean from the interview was that Team "Survivor" was not eliminated early.)

and

When reminded that one contestant did propose (successfully) during the race in season 17 and asked if he ever got on one knee during the race, Zohn said he did trip over something. “And handed me a diamond, you’ll have to watch and see,” Morasca joked.

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/23/survivors-morasca-and-zohn-are-ready-to-race/

Any spoilers that can be found from this?  :duno: Sorry if I posted this in the wrong place......
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on September 27, 2011, 02:58:08 AM
Judging by Jenna's tweets about K&L, it seems that E&J were eliminated before K/L.  :duno: So hopefully it will be Ron and Bill and Ethan and Jenna eliminated next.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: guacamole300 on September 27, 2011, 12:48:35 PM
Just speculation of course, but the confessional where E/J are talking about no telling the other racers they were Survivor winners seems to me that is set in Indonesia. We have another confessional of them in Taiwan similar to the location of the other racers' end of the leg confessionals.

Now, it just seems weird to me that they would be talking about that in Indonesia... I mean, that topic would be at the top of the list of things to talk about in the first confessionals. I just think that they're talking about it, because they were eliminated and are recounting their journey through the race.

It could very well mean nothing, and maybe I'm looking waaay into it, but I just wanted to put it out there.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mjriches2005 on October 02, 2011, 02:13:59 AM
I just noticed some things for this season's race.  Indonesia, Malawi, Belgium, and Denmark for starters, are countries that for the last several seasons we been wanting the race to visit.  Also the other countries like Taiwan and Panama only gotten 1 visit in the past. Thailand was pretty much put aside since TAR14.  Another thing is that I believe we have a 9th country unaccounted for possibly in Africa or Europe, maybe after Malawi and before Denmark but I could be wrong.  And finally with the double pit-stop elimination in Leg 2, if 12 legs are counted for, we could have the keep going Pit Stop like last season followed by 2-3 more speedbumps.  That is all I have to say for now.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Slowhatch on October 02, 2011, 10:20:41 PM
Another map quiz on the final leg?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on October 02, 2011, 10:37:06 PM
ooohhhhh...nice one!! Let's hope so!!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Neobie on October 02, 2011, 10:39:14 PM
Slowhatch is fast! I'm wondering if they got a map for Taiwan, but I'm definitely thinking that right now!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on October 03, 2011, 07:09:50 AM
Another map quiz on the final leg?

I noticed that picture too, and wondered why it was there. It's very possible it has to do with a final task. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on October 03, 2011, 10:01:22 AM
Another map quiz on the final leg?

OMG Slowhatch EXAACCCTLLLY. I'm happy someone saw this future task too. (because I have been drooling/hallucinating about possible tasks) :lol:

In TAR9, flags are placed on the very first clues of the leg, and then we saw it: a final task involving flags.

One thing I also speculate is the special (both were seen at roadblocks) ornate "clueholders" we have this season. I hope the trend continues:

Leg 1 - The chinese hanger below
Leg 2 - The vase stuff

Tasks are nice this season, BTW! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on October 03, 2011, 04:14:27 PM
Final task may involve associating clue "holders" with the shape of the correct country; that might explain both of these elements for the season.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on October 03, 2011, 08:52:47 PM
If the final task is a map quiz, you will want me on your team :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Neobie on October 04, 2011, 03:03:31 PM
You guys see what I see? :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on October 04, 2011, 03:13:36 PM
The Route Info clue?
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6233/taiwanoutlinemap.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on October 04, 2011, 03:15:41 PM
MAPS....I do love me some MAPS. :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on October 04, 2011, 03:38:34 PM
If the final task is a map quiz, you will want me on your team :lol:
I can't answer the question of team composition, Leafsfan. However, for a map quiz (not a flags quiz) the champions would be Neobie or me.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Neobie on October 04, 2011, 04:10:23 PM
Haha, thanks for the compliment, Apskip!

A slightly enlarged version. Where did the teams get this clue? Los Angeles?

(ZOMG it's CYPRUS!) :snicker:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on October 04, 2011, 04:35:28 PM
You crack me up! :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Leafsfan on October 05, 2011, 10:01:53 AM
If the final task is a map quiz, you will want me on your team :lol:
I can't answer the question of team composition, Leafsfan. However, for a map quiz (not a flags quiz) the champions would be Neobie or me.

Add me as well! Either flags or maps (not saying I would win against you or Neobie, considering you are Geography lovers as much as me) but I bet I'd do well against the current crop of teams.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: gator27 on October 05, 2011, 11:50:31 AM
Haha, thanks for the compliment, Apskip!

A slightly enlarged version. Where did the teams get this clue? Los Angeles?

(ZOMG it's CYPRUS!) :snicker:

Love the enhanced map you pulled from the clue.  I don't get the Cyprus comment, but that's OK.

Just so others are not confused, that is a map of Taiwan, just on its side.  Here is a North-South oriented map - http://geology.com/world/taiwan-satellite-image.shtml
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on October 05, 2011, 12:45:57 PM
gator27,

Nice save! It is indeed Taiwan on its side and does not have the kinks that the map of Cyprus does, although its general shape is similar.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on October 05, 2011, 01:13:32 PM
gator27,

Nice save! It is indeed Taiwan on its side and does not have the kinks that the map of Cyprus does, although its general shape is similar.

:D I think Neobie was just joking! (If he wasn't, he should be stripped of his title immediately!!)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on October 05, 2011, 03:47:29 PM
Cyprus had a very distinctive pinesula on its northeast that would make it easy to distinguish from Taiwan as long as you are looking at both laid out with the same orientation (i.e., north).
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Neobie on October 05, 2011, 05:39:18 PM
ZOMG it's CYPRUS! :snicker:

Yeah, that was a joke, referring to the Cyprus hoaxes that kept popping up during the filming of TAR 19. Attached are outline maps, to scale, to compare between the two.

I can see how my post could have been misconstrued. Apskip's computer doesn't display emoticons and smileys, making it difficult to distinguish between normative sentences and those with a tinge of sarcasm. ;)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on October 05, 2011, 09:03:35 PM
Taiwan however, is not shown in its normal north-south orientation.

I'd probably do pretty well with maps on the show, as well. I love maps. My favorite gadget is the Garmin, as it is a map I can tell with me. :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on October 05, 2011, 11:23:07 PM
Taiwan however, is not shown in its normal north-south orientation.

I'd probably do pretty well with maps on the show, as well. I love maps. My favorite gadget is the Garmin, as it is a map I can tell with me. :)

It is displayed the right way up on the clue itself, but Cathi is just holding it on its side, folded in half.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Belle Book on October 08, 2011, 10:09:04 AM
Can you remind me which teams were spotted in Thailand?  This might help me decide which team is going home this week (if any do)?

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on October 08, 2011, 12:30:29 PM
IIRC, only about five of the teams were spotted, and I'm not sure if there were descriptions of all five sufficient to know which teams those were. 
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on October 08, 2011, 01:14:24 PM
No... I believe we have future sightings of all teams but Kaylani and Lisa.
 
The posts were pretty clear at the time the teams were leaving Indonesia.
 
Buying onward tickets in Jakarta were
 
Quote

2 Blacks (M/F)
A couple with an asian (M/F)
A couple (M/F)
Blondes (F/F)


Giving us  Marcus/Armani, J/J, Ernie/Cindy, Jeremy/Sandy, Twins, all confirmed by a second observer.
 
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25526.msg621406.html#msg621406 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25526.msg621406.html#msg621406)
 
Spotted on a flight to Phuket were in addition, Bill and Cathi.
 
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25526.msg622044.html#msg622044 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25526.msg622044.html#msg622044)
 
And spotted in Soetta airport AFTER the Borobodur leg were also L/Z and Andy/Tommy.
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25526.msg621742.html#msg621742 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25526.msg621742.html#msg621742)
 
Sightings rely on the ability and reliability of the one seeing teams and are not infallible. But sadly, this info appears to be reliable.

All info and sources have been in the Timeline...I think??
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on October 10, 2011, 07:23:37 AM
I don't know if this is going to make sense, but I got a Chip and Kim vibe from Amani and Marcus. I think they're due to win a leg really soon after they recover from 2 bad legs. But as for winning the race?? Not much yet.

Jeremy and Sandy give me the Jordan and Jeff, AJ and Ty feel.. those dating couples in mid-placings which producers didn't want viewers to care about.

Ernie and Cindy is clearly a Final 3/4 team. Same with Andy and Tommy.

Bill and Cathi's edit obviously feels like a Final 6 team or better...? But I won't be shock if they're gone next.. just that I think they stick around for another NEL. :lol:

Justin and Jennifer are not getting that much of an edit this episode but they're still fine... we see them more than Laurence and Zac this leg. Maybe a 5th place edit.

I predict Laurence and Zac or Jeremy and Sandy going next? I think it's Jeremy and Sandy... :duno:

Of course one would say there's no such thing as a 'winner's edit' but... I don't buy that... Ooops. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on October 10, 2011, 02:12:47 PM
It is a little easy to predict, and I can easily see a team like Ernie & Cindy falling due to a simple mistake. I'm just basing it off of editing wise. Certain teams seem to be getting a lot more time on screen than others, indicating their in it for the long hull. As much as I'd love to see Bill & Cathi make it farther, their story isn't going anywhere and we've already heard their elimination speech in the first episode which made it sound like they only stick around a few legs.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on October 10, 2011, 07:53:53 PM
Zap2it.com had this description listed for last night's TAR episode:

The Amazing Race : Don't Lay Down on Me Now (Indonesia)

S19, E02 (First Aired: October 9, 2011)

One team is stranded in Indonesia after a medical emergency; two teams work together in hope of completing a difficult challenge.


I don't recall a medical emergency on last night's episode, but being stranded sounds like something that would happen when leaving Indonesia...maybe next week when leaving for Phuket? I suspect you could find two teams working together almost any roadblock or detour, so I'm not convinced that's referring to the temple at Borobudur.

I vaguely recall something about a medical problem with a racer coming up a while back but i don't have the time to go through 55 pages to try and find it. Does anybody else remember this?

If there is a medical emergency on the next episode, I'll guess it was related to dehydration and fatigue from the last episode. So many of the participants seemed done in by the time they got to the pit stop.  Or maybe Cathi had a delayed reaction to all the falls she took.  :iok
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on October 10, 2011, 08:25:30 PM
I'm not going to rank Kaylani and Lisa as another all-female team who can't race or what. I think they're a very interesting team combination and they're just one of those all-female teams with really NO LUCK.

I've been very impressed with Liz and Marie's and Kaylani and Lisa's performance thus far. Especially last night when they finished the Detour in 3RD and 4TH place.. not only that they also reached the temple in 3rd and 4th. Can you imagine if it's just another lame RB, they could have gotten 3rd and 4th place too?

Bill and Cathi.. they're doing a Meredith and Gretchen and I believe they will stick around longer and maybe 6th place or better. (fingers crossed) They actually finished the RB in third place... they just had to pay for their cabs! Going to the cab... then returning... is not their fortay but I don't foresee every leg to have such mishaps happening to them! They're better than we expect them to! :tup: :tup: :hrt:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on October 10, 2011, 10:53:26 PM
Interesting...but I don't remember anything about an emergency in TAR..Survivor maybe? :lol:

The press release is out and added into the first post of the thread...if there had been a prob they almost certainly would have mentioned it, right?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on October 11, 2011, 06:16:06 PM
Interesting...but I don't remember anything about an emergency in TAR..Survivor maybe? :lol:

The press release is out and added into the first post of the thread...if there had been a prob they almost certainly would have mentioned it, right?

It's possible that if a team is eliminated due to a medical emergency, it will make the leg pretty anti-climactic, so CBS may have decided not to divulge it in advance. It's far more likely that the description I found was flat out wrong. It's not even for leg 4, but for leg 3. Until I see some mention of it elsewhere, I'm not going to put much weight to it.

After thinking about it more, the vague recollection of a medical emergency seems like a long time ago and probably refers to Margie collapsing at the pit stop last season or something similar to that.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on October 11, 2011, 06:41:31 PM
nvm
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on October 14, 2011, 01:24:24 PM
Malawi for episodes 6 & 7!

Season 19, Episode 6
Episode Synopsis: The race continues in Malawi, Africa. Original Air Date: Oct 30, 2011
Season 19, Episode 7
Episode Synopsis: The race continues in Malawi, Africa. Original Air Date: Nov 6, 2011
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: supah on October 17, 2011, 03:58:55 AM
cbs schedule has listed episode 6 - 'We Love Your Country Already; It Is Very Spacious' (Malawi)

sounds a bit like a Cathi quote!  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on October 17, 2011, 08:30:26 AM
Thank you!! :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: banzai on October 18, 2011, 09:36:11 AM
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1985/indomap.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/indomap.jpg/) ep. 2 Indonesia

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1713/mapti.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/mapti.jpg/) ep. 4. Thailand

I kept on seeing maps of each country. They might be in the finale geography quiz. Who knows!  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Squall on October 18, 2011, 11:18:46 AM
I wont be surprised if it's like how Season 9's finale challenge (place flags in order of visited) and throw in look alikes / decoys on a packard or what not.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Chateau d If on October 18, 2011, 12:29:38 PM
I'm scratching my head on this one!  I'd like to see them have to do a map puzzle with big pieces shaped like this outlines but I can't see how to make it work.

Maybe they have to pick from shapes of all the world's countries and place them in order that they visited.  Kind of like the surfboards of TAR14 or the flags of TAR9.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: inomu on October 18, 2011, 02:14:59 PM
I don't know if somebody has already said this but the map of Indonesia is wrong. It seems to include the Malay peninsula (which is not part of Indonesia) and the whole island of Timor (which Indonesia shares with East Timor).  :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on October 18, 2011, 03:24:08 PM
Maybe put the right cluebox for the right country map?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on October 18, 2011, 08:31:09 PM
I don't know if somebody has already said this but the map of Indonesia is wrong. It seems to include the Malay peninsula (which is not part of Indonesia) and the whole island of Timor (which Indonesia shares with East Timor).  :groan:

Wow, you're right! It does seem to include East Timor in the outline and they've definitely included peninsular Malaysia and Singapore. How embarrassing...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on October 20, 2011, 12:22:15 AM
As I suggested before, it's probably matching the clue holder with the outline of the country where they saw the clue holder. It's going to be the sort of memorization for visual detail that probably going to drive the final three teams crazy....but then we'll have to see if any of these teams have any such skills in the legs to come.
It's going to be a difficult, pressure filled final challenge if this is what it is.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Belle Book on October 21, 2011, 10:13:40 AM
BTW, I forgot if people spotted teams past Thailand or not.  Can someone tell me if any teams were spotted in say, Malawi?

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: kiki on October 21, 2011, 11:06:24 AM
BTW, I forgot if people spotted teams past Thailand or not.  Can someone tell me if any teams were spotted in say, Malawi?

Belle Book


There was a blog that its writer said that he was in a flight with a guy named Andy going to Malawi, but check the timeline thread all the info are there.
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25646.0.html
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on October 21, 2011, 12:20:53 PM
BTW, I forgot if people spotted teams past Thailand or not.  Can someone tell me if any teams were spotted in say, Malawi?

Belle Book

As stated above, their was the guy on the plain out of Malawi who gave us the name Andy, and Chateau found that info in Denmark about Laurence & Zac and Marcus & Amani being their. Those are the only 3 teams who we can presume make it out of Africa.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Ouagadougou on October 22, 2011, 08:46:42 AM
 :wohoo:


Hmm... I was looking on some of the flights leaving bangkok to lilongwe... that is direct flight or a connecting flight to johannesburg... and i saw some flights that is leaving to lilongwe direct from bangkok...


Which bangkok is possibly their leg for leaving the flight to lilongwe... i understand that they cannot go to kathmandu, because of conflict turmoil in the country or some bad weather strike onto... i wish they went onto it


I just want to speculate the map that is printed on their clue... that i think they need to memorize the shape of the country they visited... then they need to identify the name of the country without looking at anything in their maps, etc. ... and/or arrange it in the legs they went onto in sequence and correct order....
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on October 22, 2011, 09:06:34 AM
Wasn't Nepal.

And yes, much speculation by others too on what the Map shapes mean.

And we talk about the flight stuff in this thread...all sorts of awesomeness!! :jam:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,25627.0.html
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on October 23, 2011, 11:23:49 PM
Episode 7!

The Amazing Race
Move Goat (Malawi)

From CBS
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on October 30, 2011, 09:04:09 PM
For fun, a speculated boot order:

Leg 7 Malawi: Bill and Cathi eliminated
Leg 8 Denmark: Laurence and Zac eliminated (this should be a fun leg, I think E/C will use their EP on the last leg for it and there could be a U-turn)
Leg 9 Belgium: Justin and Jennifer eliminated
Leg 10 Belgium: Amani and Marcus NEL :lol: :res:
Leg 11 Panama: Amani and Marcus eliminated
Leg 12 Georgia: Ernie and Cindy win :wohoo:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on October 30, 2011, 09:11:05 PM
For fun, a speculated boot order:

Leg 7 Malawi: Bill and Cathi Jeremy and Sandy eliminated
Leg 8 Denmark: Laurence and Zac eliminated (this should be a fun leg, I think E/C will use their EP on the last leg for it and there could be a U-turn)
Leg 9 Belgium: Justin and Jennifer eliminated
Leg 10 Belgium: Amani and Marcus Andy and Tommy NEL
Leg 11 Panama: Amani and Marcus Andy and Tommy eliminated
Leg 12 Georgia: Ernie and Cindy Bill and Cathi win :wohoo:

May not be as realistic but would be a better ending.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on October 30, 2011, 09:51:41 PM
agreed. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on October 30, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
heh... Nice to see you in spoilers!! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: GonzaloChileno on October 30, 2011, 10:23:45 PM
This season has been so boring!

3 legs out 4 won by Tommy & Andy have been due to penalties!
3 non elimination legs, out of 6 legs aired.
i hated the elimination of the cluebox, it is an important thing on the race.
i have liked more TARLA, TARI and TAR China.

I hope it improves, but with such a bad casting i doubt it.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on October 30, 2011, 10:28:58 PM
The cluebox is not eliminated...it just has a new wardrobe for awhile. :lol:

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: GonzaloChileno on October 30, 2011, 10:32:59 PM
The cluebox is not eliminated...it just has a new wardrobe for awhile. :lol:

i think this season is trying to innovate, but it is not looking good so far. I hope the cluebox comes back. I'm pretty sure that this is a season that i won't remember.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dånooky on October 30, 2011, 10:38:34 PM
One thing I noticed is that there have been surprise elements where racers were supposed to think beyond their instructions, like the billboard in Taiwan, the "surrender your money" additional info and the whole "you should pay attention to what you are disassembling". That and the lack of normal clueboxes makes me think that the theme on this season is "think outside the box"
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Declive on October 30, 2011, 10:39:03 PM
This season has to inovate to entretain more,since we are very spoiled with two last greeeat tars,the 17 and the 18
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on October 30, 2011, 10:40:13 PM
heh... Nice to see you in spoilers!! :lol:

okaaaaay. I quit trying to hide away from spoilers. I cannot stand the feeling of not looking for spoilers. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on October 30, 2011, 10:55:01 PM
I hope it improves, but with such a bad casting i doubt it.

I agree that casting is not the greatest. It makes me think of season 15 (but certainly not 16).
Personally, it lacks of good all female and parent/child teams. Too much couples. Well, its thrue that the last two seasons had awsome casting with three and four parent/child teams and good female teams who won both seasons, but still...

There must be another Brook & Claire or Gallory wanting to be on the show somewhere, no?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on October 30, 2011, 11:00:38 PM
One thing I noticed is that there have been surprise elements where racers were supposed to think beyond their instructions, like the billboard in Taiwan, the "surrender your money" additional info and the whole "you should pay attention to what you are disassembling". That and the lack of normal clueboxes makes me think that the theme on this season is "think outside the box"

All of which I LOVE!! :hearts:

I think we all have been hoping for more NON spoon fed go here do this instructions...This all reminds me of TAR1 find the water that thunders...and THAT can only be good for TAR.

New cluebox containers? These are clever and innovative and I like it. The bird's nest one is my favorite!!

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on October 30, 2011, 11:02:16 PM
heh... Nice to see you in spoilers!! :lol:

okaaaaay. I quit trying to hide away from spoilers. I cannot stand the feeling of not looking for spoilers. :lol:

YAY!! Welcome HOME!!!  :jumpy:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Neobie on October 30, 2011, 11:03:11 PM
I'm with you there Peach! Perhaps some newcomers may find this a jarring change, but as someone who's been around since the smoke that thunders, I certainly appreciate the traditional varying types of clues, clue-containers and, of course, the new locations! (I'm certain they made a point of that this race!)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: GonzaloChileno on October 30, 2011, 11:05:54 PM
Quote
New cluebox containers? These are clever and innovative and I like it. The bird's nest one is my favorite!!

The containers are different, i thought they were all the same  :lol:

And Neobie, i have watched every single TAR, TARA, TARI, TARLA, TARAUS. TARCHINA, TARBRAZIL version... and i prefer the old fashioned TAR.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on October 30, 2011, 11:07:07 PM
I totally agree...we all like tradition but in some ways this is a return to our roots. And I find this...and the cast...totally refreshing.


Oh and THE FERN is back!! :hearts:

And I suspect we were meant to have one more new country too...it wasn't Nepal sadly...but maybe LAOS was possible?

smoke that thunders, thank you...knew that didn't sound just right. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: GonzaloChileno on October 30, 2011, 11:10:44 PM
I totally agree...we all like tradition but in some ways this is a return to our roots. And I find this...and the cast...totally refreshing.


Oh and THE FERN is back!! :hearts:

And I suspect we were meant to have one more new country too...it wasn't Nepal sadly...but maybe LAOS was possible?

smoke that thunders, thank you...knew that didn't sound just right. :lol:

Yeah, there are some positive things this time.

*More contact between the teams and locals.
*4 NEW COUNTRIES VISITED! that's awesome...  :hearts: It is cool that the countries that were previously visited were only visited once, so we are getting to see many new places (except for Thailand)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Neobie on October 30, 2011, 11:16:06 PM
Haha, old-fashioned TAR for me is TAR 1, where we had clues placed in jewel boxes at the Taj Mahal, baskets tied to a stick in the Sahara, an Eiffel Tower statuette (OK that -was- the clue), even a frying wok in Beijing! Now if only there were some cryptic clues to go along with it! (Ximending was a good start!)

I remember being terribly disappointed in TAR 4 because they repeated so many countries (which, of course, pales in comparison to more recent seasons)... The number of new countries we're seeing makes it feel like we're back in the TAR 1-3 era!

PS I know I'm asking for it with a nick like that, but I don't think I'm a newbie anymore... ;)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: GonzaloChileno on October 30, 2011, 11:20:12 PM
PS I know I'm asking for it with a nick like that, but I don't think I'm a newbie anymore... ;)

Sorry, just realised i wrote your name wrong... already fixed it :D


For me TAR 1 is like the exception... because from season 2 onwards all the races followed the same pattern, that's what i call old-fashioned  :js:. But i have to say that i loved TAR 1!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on October 30, 2011, 11:21:53 PM
Most of the tasks are also very good and location very scenic (I simply LOVED the Phuket leg)
I hope it will continue like this!

PS: Found the Denmark epsiode title!  :yess: :-[

"Super Shady (Copenhagen, Denmark)"

Since Copenhagen is in the title, could there be a second Denmark leg?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: GonzaloChileno on October 30, 2011, 11:24:50 PM
Most of the tasks are also very good and location very scenic (I simply LOVED the Phuket leg)
I hope it will continue like this!

I loved Phuket too!  :hearts: it reminded me of The Beach, which is my favourite movie ever!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on October 31, 2011, 12:00:39 AM
The one Phuket leg had similar tasks to the one Phuket leg in TAR 1; and here's another call back to TAR Classic ( a/k/a 1) -- Having three NELs in the first six legs. The classic NEL pattern had early legs with alternating eliminations and non-eliminations but at this point we only have 1 more NEL left in the six remaining legs, so I suspect we're in for a row of eliminations to get down to the final three.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: supah on October 31, 2011, 12:39:31 AM
The Amazing Race
Episode 8 - 'Super Shady' (Copenhagen, Denmark)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Belle Book on October 31, 2011, 11:08:21 AM
For fun, a speculated boot order:

Leg 7 Malawi: Bill and Cathi eliminated
Leg 8 Denmark: Laurence and Zac eliminated (this should be a fun leg, I think E/C will use their EP on the last leg for it and there could be a U-turn)
Leg 9 Belgium: Justin and Jennifer eliminated
Leg 10 Belgium: Amani and Marcus NEL :lol: :res:
Leg 11 Panama: Amani and Marcus eliminated
Leg 12 Georgia: Ernie and Cindy win :wohoo:

I'd prefer to have Andy & Tommy and Jeremy & Sandy eliminated instead of Amani & Marcus and Justin & Jennifer (the latter being a surprise for me), but I can accept Bill & Cathi and Laurence & Zac going home.  And Ernie & Cindy are back to being my favorite team, so I hope they win.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on October 31, 2011, 11:20:00 AM
It really doesn't concern me when I see that the race is going to an already-visited country, purely because I know the leg is usually going to be brand new and fresh.

Take India for example. There are so many different cultures, languages, customs and sights just in that one country (albeit very large country) alone, that I know we're in for a very special viewing experience, even after the 13 or so legs we've already seen there. I honestly believe we could get through hundreds of seasons without the list of potential locations growing scarce.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on October 31, 2011, 11:31:54 AM
"Super Shady (Copenhagen, Denmark)"

Since Copenhagen is in the title, could there be a second Denmark leg?

Good spot! In both TAR19 and 18, if a location other than the country was included, it meant there was more than one leg in that country, so I'd be inclined to believe in a second Denmark leg.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on October 31, 2011, 12:18:11 PM
Good! Then transit is just transit, and our list is DONEDONEDONE!!! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Squall16 on October 31, 2011, 11:37:23 PM
For fun, a speculated boot order:

Leg 7 Malawi: Bill and Cathi eliminated
Leg 8 Denmark: Laurence and Zac eliminated (this should be a fun leg, I think E/C will use their EP on the last leg for it and there could be a U-turn)
Leg 9 Belgium: Justin and Jennifer eliminated
Leg 10 Belgium: Amani and Marcus NEL :lol: :res:
Leg 11 Panama: Amani and Marcus eliminated
Leg 12 Georgia: Ernie and Cindy win :wohoo:

I'd prefer to have Andy & Tommy and Jeremy & Sandy eliminated instead of Amani & Marcus and Justin & Jennifer (the latter being a surprise for me), but I can accept Bill & Cathi and Laurence & Zac going home.  And Ernie & Cindy are back to being my favorite team, so I hope they win.

Belle Book

This is what I think so far... PURELY UNKNOWN
Leg 7 Malawi: Andy and Tommy eliminated (due to a U-turn) [IF contestants are smart] hahah
Leg 8 Denmark: Bill and Cathi eliminated
Leg 9 Belgium: Laurence and Zac eliminated
Leg 10 Belgium:(?)
Leg 11 Panama: (?)
Leg 12 Georgia: (?)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 02, 2011, 12:14:30 AM
Tell you what...

If you are SPECULATING a bootlist based on SPOILERS, then this is the place. If you are jsut speculating on NO basis, then take it to Wishlists please. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: NumfarPTB on November 03, 2011, 08:59:37 AM
On this matter, I find it curious, if I am not mistaken at this similar point last year, we did have a better idea of how the remainder of the season would roll out. 
Just went through some of the other threads and the timeline, and there are very few sightings that could give us more concrete data to speculate on the placement of the teams still in the running.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: gator27 on November 03, 2011, 09:12:00 AM
On this matter, I find it curious, if I am not mistaken at this similar point last year, we did have a better idea of how the remainder of the season would roll out. 
Just went through some of the other threads and the timeline, and there are very few sightings that could give us more concrete data to speculate on the placement of the teams still in the running.

I wonder if this is related to the new versions of clue boxes.  The old clue boxes were quite visible and recognizable.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on November 05, 2011, 01:31:39 AM
Quote from CBS Foursquare: 'teams must choose whether to sabotage their fellow Racers for a chance @ 1st place!'

I find this worded a bit strangely. I wouldn't say that using the U-Turn gives you a 'chance' at first place. If you're already in first, it just makes first place more likely than it already is, and if you're second or below, it doesn't get you any closer to the team in first.

What if the inclusion of the iPads heralds a new way of U-Turning? There could be two U-Turn boards, both a long way apart, and a team would use the power at the first board, but wouldn't discover their fate until reaching the second. In this way, a team would be able to U-Turn a team that is in front of them.

I don't really think this is the case, but it would be a very interesting idea if it was implemented correctly!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on November 05, 2011, 08:42:39 AM
From http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/amazing-race-19-2011/episode-9-season-19/amazing-race-19/327343

Season 19, Episode 9
Episode Synopsis: The race continues in Denmark and Belgium. Original Air Date: Nov 20, 2011

What could this mean? One task in Denmark and one in Belgium? Or maybe tasks in D and PitStop in B a bit like in leg 5? Or maybe the whole leg is in Belgium? Or a two hour episode with a TBC leg?   ???
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on November 05, 2011, 08:56:51 AM
From http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/amazing-race-19-2011/episode-9-season-19/amazing-race-19/327343

Season 19, Episode 9
Episode Synopsis: The race continues in Denmark and Belgium. Original Air Date: Nov 20, 2011

What could this mean? One task in Denmark and one in Belgium? Or maybe tasks in D and PitStop in B a bit like in leg 5? Or maybe the whole leg is in Belgium? Or a two hour episode with a TBC leg?   ???

Interesting! It is probably a split leg then, with teams travelling from Copenhagen to Belgium midway through the leg, before a full run in Belgium in the next leg.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 05, 2011, 09:26:58 AM
AHHH!! Thanks!! That is what we have been waiting for...remember we have been very unclear as to whether or not this leg included the TRANSIT portion as well, we had some conflicting info.

So this is good to know!!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on November 05, 2011, 10:41:59 AM
Ideally this should mean that one of either the roadblock or detour is in Denmark and the second is in Belgium; the classic formulation of this would be the TAR 2 leg split between Hong Kong and Sydney (you know the one with Danny and Oswald shopping).

It's also possible it could be a leg with 2 detours and no roadblocks (total speculation): the big question is the transportation between the two countries. (Bus, train, drive. fly?); all of the options would be open and would be do-able since the likely routes would cross Germany and the Netherlands on the way.
Title: The Amazing Race 19 Final Destinations !
Post by: miichaeeltran on November 06, 2011, 04:05:18 AM
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FINAL DESTINATION IS ? LOL   :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 06, 2011, 07:10:38 AM
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FINAL DESTINATION IS ? LOL   :lol:

We know it is in Georgia. :)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on November 06, 2011, 08:24:59 AM
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FINAL DESTINATION IS ? LOL   :lol:

We know it is in Georgia. :)

Clearly a challenge sent out to <3 :lol:.. right in her backyard. :neener:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 06, 2011, 09:11:41 AM
Challenge accepted. :neener:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 19 Final Destinations !
Post by: redskevin88 on November 06, 2011, 08:32:22 PM
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FINAL DESTINATION IS ? LOL   :lol:

We will never know, because of the nondisclosure forms peach had to sign  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on November 06, 2011, 09:10:18 PM
Well I have a gut feeling that next week Ernie and Cindy U-Turns Bill and Cathi. :groan: :'( That's a game changing move. :groan: :'( UGH WHYYYY. :'(
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: supah on November 07, 2011, 12:56:03 AM
The Amazing Race
Episode 9 - 'It's Speedo Time' (Belgium)

CBS Schedule
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: kiki on November 07, 2011, 01:47:34 AM
The Amazing Race
Episode 9 - 'It's Speedo Time' (Belgium)

CBS Schedule

I guess we finally get to see the task with the Mustangs, that they have been teasing is with, since before the first episode.

Back then I suspected Belgium but it was Dom El who had the best idea

A notable feature of the red Mustang shot is the long grass. It is unusual to see such unkempt greenery in a top-class circuit, unless it was a huge facility. This made me look into Ford Testing Facilities. We saw teams take a ride on the Mercedes-Benz test track in Germany in Season 9, so why not again with Ford? Ford have no testing grounds in Asia, but apart from one in the UK, the only other one in Europe is in BELGIUM: The Lommel Proving Ground.

The facility itself is huge, with a large variety of tracks which are all closed to the public. As a result, there are very few videos of the track itself. Of the few there are though, they show evidence of narrow straights, undulating terrain, forest cover on both sides with very similar trees to the ones we see in the footage. In short, some parts of the Ford facility seem to be a perfect fit for the Mustang task.

We've wondered why there was virtually no sightings of the race in Belgium. The test track is quite removed from any major city, so if teams were touring the remote Belgian countryside (or maybe even the Dutch as well; the border is only a couple of miles away) for this leg, no wonder we had no info.

Still no concrete proof, but at the moment, this is my best guess..
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: LoveRocked on November 07, 2011, 03:12:20 AM
The Amazing Race Ep 8
It's Speedo Time (Brussels, Belgium)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on November 07, 2011, 04:21:59 AM
The Amazing Race
Episode 9 - 'It's Speedo Time' (Belgium)

CBS Schedule

I guess we finally get to see the task with the Mustangs, that they have been teasing is with, since before the first episode.

Back then I suspected Belgium but it was Dom El who had the best idea

A notable feature of the red Mustang shot is the long grass. It is unusual to see such unkempt greenery in a top-class circuit, unless it was a huge facility. This made me look into Ford Testing Facilities. We saw teams take a ride on the Mercedes-Benz test track in Germany in Season 9, so why not again with Ford? Ford have no testing grounds in Asia, but apart from one in the UK, the only other one in Europe is in BELGIUM: The Lommel Proving Ground.

The facility itself is huge, with a large variety of tracks which are all closed to the public. As a result, there are very few videos of the track itself. Of the few there are though, they show evidence of narrow straights, undulating terrain, forest cover on both sides with very similar trees to the ones we see in the footage. In short, some parts of the Ford facility seem to be a perfect fit for the Mustang task.

We've wondered why there was virtually no sightings of the race in Belgium. The test track is quite removed from any major city, so if teams were touring the remote Belgian countryside (or maybe even the Dutch as well; the border is only a couple of miles away) for this leg, no wonder we had no info.

Still no concrete proof, but at the moment, this is my best guess..

Oh please, oh please, oh please, let it be racing cars on a track! 

 :kal

I do NOT want to see Laurence in a Speedo!   

 :peek 
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: amazinglatinoamericafan on November 08, 2011, 07:39:57 PM
Please remember the rules about FB:
 
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But def not race related anyway.
 
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26139.0.html (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26139.0.html)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on November 08, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
The Amazing Race Ep 8
It's Speedo Time (Brussels, Belgium)


i think i now what they are talk try for the largest pool in belguim
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on November 08, 2011, 08:00:04 PM
The Amazing Race Ep 8
It's Speedo Time (Brussels, Belgium)


i think i now what they are talk try for the largest pool in belguim

Nemo 33

(http://www.blogginginamerica.com/images/nemo-33-worlds-deepest-pool.jpg)


In Uccle, Belgium (just outside of Brussels) is Nemo 33. Nemo is a recreational and instructional center for scuba diving. It is also home to the world’s deepest pool. In the pool is a submerged structure that includes two large flat-bottomed areas; one at 16 feet deep, the second at 32 feet deep. There is also a large circular pit which descends to a depth of 108 feet. At the 32 feet depth there are several simulated underwater caves.

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: amazinglatinoamericafan on November 08, 2011, 08:56:52 PM
duplicate post. See above.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on November 08, 2011, 09:04:40 PM

i dont think it has do anything with are race
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on November 09, 2011, 02:23:19 PM
Season 19, Episode 10
Episode Synopsis: The race continues in Belgium. Original Air Date: Nov 27, 2011
Season 19, Episode 11
Episode Synopsis: The race continues in Panama. Original Air Date: Dec 4, 2011
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: jiajia12 on November 13, 2011, 08:19:35 PM
With this elimination, Final 4.confirmed.by that spoiler, Bill&Cathi is next :lala
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on November 13, 2011, 08:29:33 PM
with Amani and Marcuas get elimination in Panama so who is final 3
Sandy & Jeremy
Andy & Tom
Ernie & Cindy
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on November 13, 2011, 08:35:58 PM
With this elimination, Final 4.confirmed.by that spoiler, Bill&Cathi is next :lala

I'm lost. What spoiler are you talking about?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: weihen on November 13, 2011, 08:41:25 PM
With this elimination, Final 4.confirmed.by that spoiler, Bill&Cathi is next :lala

I'm lost. What spoiler are you talking about?
I thnik it's the spolier on survivorsucks.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 13, 2011, 08:44:42 PM
Didn't we kind of know that already?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on November 13, 2011, 08:46:44 PM
But where does it come from? What are the sources?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 13, 2011, 08:57:54 PM
But where does it come from? What are the sources?

And THAT is a very good question. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 13, 2011, 09:22:56 PM
I have been very wary of that from the start, but we shall see.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on November 13, 2011, 09:26:21 PM

Sandy & Jeremy
Andy & Tom
Ernie & Cindy

If that turns out to be the final three, I'll be content.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Aussie on November 13, 2011, 11:22:24 PM
Sandy & Jeremy
Andy & Tom
Ernie & Cindy

:taze
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Belle Book on November 14, 2011, 10:51:49 AM
with Amani and Marcuas get elimination in Panama so who is final 3
Sandy & Jeremy
Andy & Tom
Ernie & Cindy

I think we'll see a lot of Bill & Cathi fans unhappy about that one!  I'm more of an Ernie & Cindy fan even when they used the U-Turn on Bill & Cathi, so I'm happy to see them in the Final 3 and I want them to beat Andy & Tommy.  Nothing personal on Andy & Tommy, I just like Ernie & Cindy more.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 14, 2011, 11:34:45 AM
Final Three Prediction:
Bill and Cathi
Andy and Tommy
Jeremy and Sandy

:angel
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Cocoa on November 14, 2011, 11:54:29 AM
:angel

So there's an insider information in that prediction? Angels are used for "don't question me, I'm sure I'm right coz I have info". :lol:

I'd love that Top 3 (except Andy and Tommy, but B/C will own them, so its okay. :lol:)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 14, 2011, 11:57:48 AM
I just like using that smiley :lol:

but you never know
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on November 14, 2011, 12:00:28 PM
Why is everyone thinking Jeremy and Sandy is in the final three? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: kiki on November 14, 2011, 12:03:59 PM
Why is everyone thinking Jeremy and Sandy is in the final three? :duno:

I don't know about the others but I've been suspecting for some time since an eyewitness posted here in RFF that she saw in Atlanta a team with cameras and the team was a man and a girl. The only two teams that she could be referring is E/C or J/S. But wouldn't she have said an Asian girl if it was Cindy?
Anyway it's a 50-50 chance!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 14, 2011, 12:04:43 PM
^Better than that percent

(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/9346/airlinesatlantaairport.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on November 14, 2011, 12:06:23 PM
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/9346/airlinesatlantaairport.jpg)


what hike is that
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 14, 2011, 12:13:03 PM
I don't know what a hike is in this context.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: jiajia12 on November 14, 2011, 02:40:05 PM
Too much Coincidence that Armani and Marcus keep staying in the face,and Jeremy and Sandy still didn't bite the dust ,had to be legit :'(
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 14, 2011, 02:40:50 PM
Too much Coincidence that Armani and Marcus keep staying in the face,and Jeremy and Sandy still didn't bite the dust ,had to be legit :'(

What was legit?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: jiajia12 on November 14, 2011, 02:42:59 PM
About the final 3 :'( Sandy Jeremy Snowboarders and Ernie and Cindy
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 14, 2011, 02:43:35 PM
Do you cite this information from Sucks?

About the final 3 :'( Sandy Jeremy Snowboarders and Ernie and Cindy

Regardless, this final three has NOT been confirmed.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: jiajia12 on November 14, 2011, 03:00:51 PM
I dont want to  believe,but I would have bet my life on it that Amani and Marcus would have gone home this pass 3 legs and Jeremy and Sandy were doomed this leg, with Justin and Jennifers and laurence and Zacks big mistakes, it is so hard  to doubt
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 14, 2011, 03:02:00 PM
All I'm saying is don't believe Sucks over RFF. :lol: And that's all I'm saying for now.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: LoveRocked on November 14, 2011, 03:05:11 PM
Final Three Prediction:
Andy & Tommy
Erine & Cindy
Bill & Cathi

;D
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: jiajia12 on November 14, 2011, 03:15:29 PM
All I'm saying is don't believe Sucks over RFF. :lol: And that's all I'm saying for now.

What's RFFs spoiler.for final 3 or 4.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Belle Book on November 14, 2011, 06:08:46 PM
All I'm saying is don't believe Sucks over RFF. :lol: And that's all I'm saying for now.

What's RFFs spoiler.for final 3 or 4.

Yeah.  What is the spoiler for the Final 3 or 4 here at RFF?

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on November 14, 2011, 09:22:49 PM
^Better than that percent

(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/9346/airlinesatlantaairport.jpg)

What is this?

From the vibes I get, I was getting a feeling that Amani and Marcus and Ernie and Cindy are definitely in the final three. Bill and Cathi might have a good edit going on there.

Andy and Tommy will be fourth and Jeremy and Sandy definitely fifth. :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 14, 2011, 09:44:54 PM
That photo looks like Atlanta. However its an old photo. I still has Delta's Song check in counter. Song was Delta's airline with in an airline. SO the photo is no good to us. 
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Plaidmoon on November 14, 2011, 10:34:22 PM
Why is everyone thinking Jeremy and Sandy is in the final three? :duno:

I don't know about the others but I've been suspecting for some time since an eyewitness posted here in RFF that she saw in Atlanta a team with cameras and the team was a man and a girl. The only two teams that she could be referring is E/C or J/S. But wouldn't she have said an Asian girl if it was Cindy?
Anyway it's a 50-50 chance!

To me, the phrase "a man and a girl" sounds odd for any of the teams. For E/C or J/S, "a man and a woman" or "a guy and a girl" makes more sense.  From that statement, I wouldn't rule out any of the teams except Andy and Tommy.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 15, 2011, 07:34:37 AM
That photo looks like Atlanta. However its an old photo.

You are correct. Pardon the old photo.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 15, 2011, 07:40:51 AM
I don't know if I am supposed to hide this anymore or not but I am tired of hedging around in spoilers.

I personally contacted that lady that was in the Atlanta airport that day months ago and we talked at length about what she saw there. Jeremy and Sandy were definitely there racing very quickly through the airport with cameras in tow and leaving their backpacks behind.

She did not see anymore teams that appeared to be in the final.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on November 15, 2011, 07:43:47 AM
I don't know if I am supposed to hide this anymore or not but I am tired of hedging around in spoilers.

I personally contacted that lady that was in the Atlanta airport that day months ago and we talked at length about what she saw there. Jeremy and Sandy were definitely there racing very quickly through the airport with cameras in tow and leaving their backpacks behind.

She did not see anymore teams that appeared to be in the final.

Exciting stuff. I was surprised to feel relieved when I read that. Jeremy & Sandy are quickly becoming one of my faves.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on November 15, 2011, 09:15:54 AM
She did not see anymore teams that appeared to be in the final.

Maybe they were on a late plane? Could explain their edit  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 15, 2011, 09:22:33 AM
I would speculate that they were either behind or ahead of the other two teams.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Reality_Gal on November 15, 2011, 10:00:42 AM
I like the Snowboarders. If they get to the finale three I hope they win.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on November 15, 2011, 10:15:00 AM
Why is everyone thinking Jeremy and Sandy is in the final three? :duno:

I don't know about the others but I've been suspecting for some time since an eyewitness posted here in RFF that she saw in Atlanta a team with cameras and the team was a man and a girl. The only two teams that she could be referring is E/C or J/S. But wouldn't she have said an Asian girl if it was Cindy?
Anyway it's a 50-50 chance!
Has anyone heard of the use of decoys in the last several legs of each Amazing Race? After teams are no longer sent to Elimination Station, they typically travel with the entourage of clues and make themselves publicly visible to confuse RFF and others. The teams spotted most publicly in and around the final city are the ones most likely to be decoys.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 15, 2011, 10:22:12 AM
Jeremy and Sandy were not running decoy with a camera crew. Justin and Jennifer were spotted running decoy with no camera crew.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on November 15, 2011, 11:09:02 AM
I like the Snowboarders. If they get to the finale three I hope they win.

they didd
Title: Found Something
Post by: ZBC Company on November 15, 2011, 12:03:39 PM
some give me panama leg do poeple found i have found locatoin for this yet

Ancient Church

(http://www.farandfurther.com/panama/ancient-church.jpg)

i found this intro  they where doing the Panama City Belly Dance at the ancient church cant this be clue


(http://images.onset.freedom.com/newsherald/gallery/lhtdlw-bellydancing1.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 15, 2011, 12:04:37 PM
I like the Snowboarders. If they get to the finale three I hope they win.

they didd

Not confirmed
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on November 15, 2011, 12:34:23 PM
Justin and Jennifer were spotted running decoy with no camera crew.

No other decoys spotted in Atanta?  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 15, 2011, 12:35:32 PM
Justin and Jennifer were spotted running decoy with no camera crew.

No other decoys spotted in Atanta?  :duno:

Liz and Marie are the only other conclusive ones. I'm going to post the whole thing in live sightings.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Reality_Gal on November 15, 2011, 12:38:19 PM
LOL Running decoy.  B:) B:) B:)
Title: Re: Found Something
Post by: Chateau d If on November 15, 2011, 01:12:39 PM
some give me panama leg do poeple found i have found locatoin for this yet

Ancient Church

(http://www.farandfurther.com/panama/ancient-church.jpg)

i found this intro  they where doing the Panama City Belly Dance at the ancient church cant this be clue


(http://images.onset.freedom.com/newsherald/gallery/lhtdlw-bellydancing1.jpg)

That's the Metropolitan Cathedral built 1688 in Panama's  Casco Viejo.

Tell more!  Where did did you get this from!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: jiajia12 on November 15, 2011, 03:35:30 PM
The Editors gave away cathi's Elimination speech on episode 1?

' overall we enjoy this race,some lows,but probaly one of the hardest thing we done'
Why would the confessional be like that on episode 1, seems like an edit
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 15, 2011, 03:37:05 PM
The Editors gave away cathi's Elimination speech on episode 1?

' overall we enjoy this race,some lows,but probaly one of the hardest thing we done'
Why would the confessional be like that on episode 1, seems like an edit

That proves their elimination how...?
Title: Re: Found Something
Post by: ZBC Company on November 15, 2011, 03:56:39 PM
some give me panama leg do poeple found i have found locatoin for this yet

Ancient Church

(http://www.farandfurther.com/panama/ancient-church.jpg)

i found this intro  they where doing the Panama City Belly Dance at the ancient church cant this be clue


(http://images.onset.freedom.com/newsherald/gallery/lhtdlw-bellydancing1.jpg)

That's the Metropolitan Cathedral built 1688 in Panama's  Casco Viejo.

Tell more!  Where did did you get this from!


(http://i39.[banned image hosting site].com/a0jkvs.png)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: jiajia12 on November 15, 2011, 04:16:14 PM
The Editors gave away cathi's Elimination speech on episode 1?

' overall we enjoy this race,some lows,but probaly one of the hardest thing we done'
Why would the confessional be like that on episode 1, seems like an edit

That proves their elimination how...?

But I am pretty sure, since no one sightings of them in Panama
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 15, 2011, 04:17:30 PM
No one has been confirmed to be spotted in Panama...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: jiajia12 on November 15, 2011, 05:04:12 PM
No one has been confirmed to be spotted in Panama...

Do we need to keep denying it... Or do you have solid proof yourself. I am curious.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 15, 2011, 05:05:02 PM
All I'm saying is that no one, including myself, has any solid proof that any specific teams were spotted in Panama.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: jiajia12 on November 15, 2011, 05:08:37 PM
The sightings on Twitter seems to confirm Andy/Tommy in final 3.  And ppl before saying they werent because of the F/M description of other spoiler.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 15, 2011, 05:12:09 PM
some give me panama leg do poeple found i have found locatoin for this yet

Ancient Church

(http://www.farandfurther.com/panama/ancient-church.jpg)

i found this intro  they where doing the Panama City Belly Dance at the ancient church cant this be clue


(http://images.onset.freedom.com/newsherald/gallery/lhtdlw-bellydancing1.jpg)

That's the Metropolitan Cathedral built 1688 in Panama's  Casco Viejo.

Tell more!  Where did did you get this from!

Thanks Zach!!

All this and more is in our  Intro Caps thread? :lol:

The church at 0:15 is located at Casco Viejo, Panama.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn37/onagerhorsey/church.png)

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26295.msg666938.html#msg666938 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26295.msg666938.html#msg666938)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 15, 2011, 05:16:14 PM
The sightings on Twitter seems to confirm Andy/Tommy in final 3.  And ppl before saying they werent because of the F/M description of other spoiler.

Do you know where these said Tweets are?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Declive on November 15, 2011, 05:32:11 PM
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ANDY AND TOMMYYYY!  :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on November 15, 2011, 08:11:13 PM
You normally need more than tweets to confirm a sighting. Photos are the best since it reduces the chances for misidentification. Or eyewitnesses who are able to ID teams specifically once the teams are known.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 16, 2011, 12:20:59 AM
Just a note here.

I think you all know I personally choose to not do bootlists or spoil the final three, but that is just my own personal preference. Having been here for the Season 11 bootlist, I remember well that it really killed off the speculation, the anticipation...the FUN. So I don't do it.

But if you have firm evidence, feel free to present it here. Photos, live sightings, are all always welcomed. But remember, not all "sightings" prove to be accurate or reliable, so buyer beware. Things can also be misinterpreted, just as when Jen and Kisha on the train were falsely assumed elsewhere to be decoys.

All I'm saying is that no one, including myself, has any solid proof that any teams were spotted in Panama.

I am going to disagree with this. I have no reason to not believe that batmanwell saw exactly what he said he saw, when he first posted in a non-spoiler thread on yuku.

The problem is that certain posters are making assumptions based on that information that are ASSUMPTIONS, and not necessarily correct ones. So examine the data, form your own conclusions, but please do NOT repost others' assumptions and speculation as fact here.

And Bull Halsey @ Sucks did a very good job collating all the available data...again, the problem is those who are (mis) interpreting that data, not the data itself.

In any case, have fun, feel free to add any new info or facts to the discussion!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Slowhatch on November 16, 2011, 01:25:32 AM
Quote
All I'm saying is that no one, including myself, has any solid proof that any teams were spotted in Panama.
Verite Productions, which has worked with WRP before (http://veriteproducciones.com/clientes_e.html), is listed with a "WRP-19" for 2011 (http://pfc.mici.gob.pa/v2/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=120%3A2011&catid=41%3Aarchives-&Itemid=55&lang=en).
Quote
AR-19 (July 4-16 2011)/ TV Episode/ Verite Producciones & WRP-19 /Panama - USA
Even though no racers are mentioned, it seems solid enough.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 16, 2011, 07:10:22 AM
I think I worded that wrong. I believe that teams went to Panama, I just don't necessarily agree with any of the sightings seen there. As in exact teams etc. :)
I am trying to be more cautious especially when there seems to be confusion regarding this particular instance.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Slowhatch on November 16, 2011, 10:25:37 AM
Fair enough. Take this photo (http://yfrog.com/kkdsdcj), for example. Reading between the lines (and previous posts), the two women would appear to be the posters Tatta and NicoleParis. The photo posting date--10 July--might be a bit troublesome, but the equipment is hard to deny. And although I don't follow TARLA, I doubt  they were in town the same time. Anyway, it's at Plaza Francia (photo here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/panama-real-estate/2634715139/), pano here (http://www.vtoursonline.com/virtualtours/Panama/CascoAntiguo/media_vtfindex/main.swf)--choose "Plazade Francia Statues")
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Slowhatch on November 16, 2011, 11:21:02 AM
Now that we have a title for Belgium2 DomEl's guess about the Lommel proving grounds (http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/lommel-proving-grounds-lpg/view/?service=0) is looking good: it has the same forested appearance as the intro caps (video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeYSE0DnDDI)).
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: kiki on November 16, 2011, 11:28:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4CqquftJ6c&feature

check out this video for Lommel proving ground. Around 1.00 the road and the forest is very similar to what we saw in the promo.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on November 16, 2011, 11:33:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4CqquftJ6c&feature

check out this video for Lommel proving ground. Around 1.00 the road and the forest is very similar to what we saw in the promo.

something they did season 9 in germany
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: LoveRocked on November 21, 2011, 04:06:22 PM
@PhilKeoghan
“@RealReyesTheDog: Will you ever lower the age to 18 like Survivor did or would that cause too much red tape?” >>> working on it:)

Phil Keoghan will working on it for limited 18 age in The Amazing Race? but Contestant must 21 years old?  ??? ???
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 21, 2011, 05:10:05 PM
They've been allowing exceptions to the 21+ rule for a while. They might as well open it up to everyone.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tarflyonthewall on November 21, 2011, 10:50:32 PM
Just a word of advice for TAR20 onwards:

We've got to work out where exactly the line is between looking for spoilers and stalking the contestants. It feels like we've been getting too close to the bad side of that for a couple of seasons now - it honestly wouldn't surprise me if there's another six-year wait before the next Australia visit after what happened in TAR18.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Neobie on November 22, 2011, 01:02:58 AM
Quote
We've got to work out where exactly the line is between looking for spoilers and stalking the contestants. It feels like we've been getting too close to the bad side of that for a couple of seasons now - it honestly wouldn't surprise me if there's another six-year wait before the next Australia visit after what happened in TAR18.

I'd agree on the first half of your post, but would disagree on the second.

Our resident stalkers have never deterred TAR from starting, over and over and over again, at LAX! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: tarflyonthewall on November 22, 2011, 02:14:56 AM
There's a difference between having a few team types (eg. "two blonde girls in pink") spoiled at the start of the season and having entire legs - tasks, locations, arrivals - spoiled, though.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2011, 06:45:49 AM
There's a difference between having a few team types (eg. "two blonde girls in pink") spoiled at the start of the season and having entire legs - tasks, locations, arrivals - spoiled, though.

Should the spotters wear protective lenses?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on November 22, 2011, 12:22:58 PM
tarflyonthewall, I disagree with you as well.

TAR films in public places. In this era with continuous internet connections (or mobile connections) twitter, phonecams, and what have you, the show isn't going to be able to prevent anyone from reporting what they see, or conversations that they may have (unless the producers get the confidentiality/filming waivers signed.) At this point, the show is fully aware of what may happen, and that they'll face this in some areas of the world more than others.

LAX, in particular, is something I think they've decided to live with. Even the employees there are well aware of when TAR is filming on the premises. While some legs have been well spoiled the last two cycles, others have remained totally obscured, or nearly so.

What I do agree with is that observers of the filming should not directly interfere with the filming. Observe and report to their heart's content, but observe and do not interfere. It's pretty clear to me the show has figured out to use places that are not totally open for tasks (such as the Speed Bump and U-Turn) and this season's use of local "containers" for clue holders is a very clever way of hiding the clues in plain sight.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: apskip on November 22, 2011, 02:58:17 PM
I want to pile on, tarflyonthewall. World Race Productions/Earthview has opted to not use any airport for the last several Amazing Races that started except with drives to LAX. If they spread the start around the country it would be much more difficult for us to find them at the start. They are choosing the easy route and need to rethink their starting strategy if they want to avoid RFF spoiling races from the beginning.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 24, 2011, 02:19:59 AM
From this video:
 
http://www.youtube.com/v/obde6NQk62U?version=3&amp;hl
 
Have we seen this location/scene yet??

Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: David on November 24, 2011, 02:34:57 AM
To me, that taxi looks like a Panama one. So, F4?! There are some white taxis there that seem like this one.

Even though some taxis in Indonesia look like this one too...
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on November 24, 2011, 02:56:40 AM
I'm pretty sure this is a shot from Indonesia. The spelling of 'Taksi' on the roof is a dead giveaway and as far as I know, they don't spell it like that in Panama..
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: David on November 24, 2011, 02:57:59 AM
I'm pretty sure this is a shot from Indonesia. The spelling of 'Taksi' on the roof is a dead giveaway and as far as I know, they don't spell it like that in Panama..

I was researching and found that too. TAKSI is Indonesian, this may be an unaired shot in the Leg 02 Roadblock, maybe?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Dom on November 24, 2011, 03:10:16 AM
If we look at Peach's useful preview caps from Episode 2 here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,26267.msg668062.html#msg668062

We can see that Amani is wearing the same top in cap 15, and we can also see the same taxi brand in cap 18. This is probably the car park for the Jomblang Caves.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 24, 2011, 03:17:21 AM
Thanks guys!! I was pretty sure I didn't have it my caps.... Wasn't sure where it was!! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Squall16 on November 24, 2011, 10:19:15 AM
nvm :(
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: NoluckBoston on November 24, 2011, 10:32:20 AM
Squall,
Was it at the start of the race?
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: claysparks on November 27, 2011, 01:39:26 AM
I hope Ernie & Cindy are not in the Final 3.Don't like Ernie's  antagonist face.lol It seems in the next epi Bil & Cathi will be eliminated.Damn!
Wish the 2 all-female team are still in the running instead of Jeremy & Sandy.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Declive on November 27, 2011, 01:41:04 AM
 :bigwelcome TO RFF claysparks!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: jiajia12 on November 27, 2011, 08:56:00 PM
It's either Amani  Marcus or Tommy Andy who will fall short
The editing tonight hints That Andy Tommy might fall short of Fall 3
Sucks did well in spoilers this time, kudos to them, must give them credits
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2011, 09:04:35 PM
I really think Amani and Marcus will win. They have a nothing but positive edit, they are always being promoted and they can beat Jeremy and Sandy and Ernie and Cindy sometimes. Somehow it seems like Andy and Tommy get eliminated in Panama :( :( :(
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Declive on November 27, 2011, 09:35:45 PM
I really think Amani and Marcus will win. They have a nothing but positive edit, they are always being promoted and they can beat Jeremy and Sandy and Ernie and Cindy sometimes. Somehow it seems like Andy and Tommy get eliminated in Panama :( :( :(

I have this feeling too.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: north09 on November 27, 2011, 09:41:59 PM
It's either Amani  Marcus or Tommy Andy who will fall short
The editing tonight hints That Andy Tommy might fall short of Fall 3
Sucks did well in spoilers this time, kudos to them, must give them credits

Wait a second now. Sucks did nothing spoiler wise this season. This has been all RFF.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: theschnauzers on November 27, 2011, 09:44:46 PM
One could argue that several teams this season have had very positive edits, and not just Amani-Marcus. (Andy-Tommy and Ernie-Cindy, for sure -- and there really hasn't been a lot editorially about Jeremy-Sandy.) I don't buy into the editing theory of predicting winners on TAR, and there have been enough seasons where that rule hasn't worked to make such a prediction theory dubious at best.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Belle Book on November 28, 2011, 10:03:54 AM
It's either Amani  Marcus or Tommy Andy who will fall short
The editing tonight hints That Andy Tommy might fall short of Fall 3
Sucks did well in spoilers this time, kudos to them, must give them credits

I'd mind it more if Jeremy & Sandy were Philiminated but I wouldn't mind Andy & Tommy going home.  I like Amani & Marcus and Ernie & Cindy more than Andy & Tommy.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 28, 2011, 10:05:26 AM
It's either Amani  Marcus or Tommy Andy who will fall short
The editing tonight hints That Andy Tommy might fall short of Fall 3
Sucks did well in spoilers this time, kudos to them, must give them credits

Wait a second now. Sucks did nothing spoiler wise this season. This has been all RFF.

Exactly. Sucks has proved nothing but that they like to copy RFF's work and call it their own.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Jobby on November 28, 2011, 10:56:42 AM
One could argue that several teams this season have had very positive edits, and not just Amani-Marcus. (Andy-Tommy and Ernie-Cindy, for sure -- and there really hasn't been a lot editorially about Jeremy-Sandy.) I don't buy into the editing theory of predicting winners on TAR, and there have been enough seasons where that rule hasn't worked to make such a prediction theory dubious at best.

Freddy and Kendra. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: LoveRocked on November 29, 2011, 02:52:43 AM
NVM
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: mds1978 on November 29, 2011, 05:04:27 AM
It's either Amani  Marcus or Tommy Andy who will fall short
The editing tonight hints That Andy Tommy might fall short of Fall 3
Sucks did well in spoilers this time, kudos to them, must give them credits

Wait a second now. Sucks did nothing spoiler wise this season. This has been all RFF.

At least Peach has the decency to admit it:

 
Just a note here.

All I'm saying is that no one, including myself, has any solid proof that any teams were spotted in Panama.

I am going to disagree with this. I have no reason to not believe that batmanwell saw exactly what he said he saw, when he first posted in a non-spoiler thread on yuku.

The problem is that certain posters are making assumptions based on that information that are ASSUMPTIONS, and not necessarily correct ones. So examine the data, form your own conclusions, but please do NOT repost others' assumptions and speculation as fact here.

And Bull Halsey @ Sucks did a very good job collating all the available data...again, the problem is those who are (mis) interpreting that data, not the data itself.

In any case, have fun, feel free to add any new info or facts to the discussion!

Just so we're clear, batmanwell is from Sucks, as is Bull Halsey. You might want to correct your statement that this “has all been RFF” this season, cause it's not true, and peach acknowledges it herself above.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Prophet on November 29, 2011, 07:05:09 AM
That's because Bull originates from RFF. I said it before and I'll say it again: you have an inferiority complex, mds.
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: claysparks on November 29, 2011, 07:51:43 AM
Guys,do you think Bill Alden looks like  actor Robert Duvall?
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/302790/0_61_320_oreilly_duval.gif)

(http://media.social.s-msn.com/images/blogs/00250065-0000-0000-0000-000000000000_00000065-0820-0000-0000-000000000000_20111128202646_race19b_blog.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Declive on November 29, 2011, 07:53:04 AM
Guys,do you think Bill Alden looks like  actor Robert Duvall?
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/302790/0_61_320_oreilly_duval.gif)

(http://media.social.s-msn.com/images/blogs/00250065-0000-0000-0000-000000000000_00000065-0820-0000-0000-000000000000_20111128202646_race19b_blog.jpg)
:lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Snooky on November 29, 2011, 09:10:23 PM
That's because Bull originates from RFF. I said it before and I'll say it again: you have an inferiority complex, mds.
:lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: ZBC Company on December 01, 2011, 09:43:32 AM
that fun how end hometown peach will not no your one twiter
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on December 01, 2011, 09:47:08 AM
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TAR 19 EP 12 "OMGosh, was that peach??" Atlanta, GA, USA

Is that really the title???  :ascared
I knew it that Peach was going to be in the finale!!! :lol3:
No but, seriously?!?!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2011, 09:51:29 AM
Quote
TAR 19 EP 12 "OMGosh, was that peach??" Atlanta, GA, USA

Is that really the title???  :ascared
I knew it that Peach was going to be in the finale!!! :lol3:
No but, seriously?!?!

:lol: No, I am just having FUN!!
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: Flamant on December 01, 2011, 10:00:18 AM
Quote
TAR 19 EP 12 "OMGosh, was that peach??" Atlanta, GA, USA

Is that really the title???  :ascared
I knew it that Peach was going to be in the finale!!! :lol3:
No but, seriously?!?!

:lol: No, I am just having FUN!!

Ah ok...  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 19 Speculation and Discussion *of SPOILERS*
Post by: supah on October 01, 2012, 01:01:28 AM
It was probably LAOS that Thailand replaced in TAR19! Cindy/Ernie confirmed that they were going to go to Laos!