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Title: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 17, 2010, 10:15:11 PM
coming soon
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 20, 2010, 09:22:55 PM
Well, due to the race starting late today, LAX International Flights at this stage could be the following - depending on when the teams departed:

London, 7:05
Zurich, 7:20
Singapore, 8:00
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on November 20, 2010, 09:30:25 PM
7-8 pm departures from LAX........London, Moscow, Singapore, Vancouver, zurich and glascow

8-9 pm departures from LAX........ London, Sydney and Vancouver

9-10 pm departures from LAX.....Auckland, London,, Calgary, Bangkok, Paris, Tahiti, Toronto, Fiji....didnt see it the first time

10-11 pm departures from LAX..... Auckland, Toronto, Tahiti, Sydney, HongKong, Taiwan, Seoul, Toronto
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Caelestor on November 20, 2010, 09:30:57 PM
Well, due to the race starting late today, LAX International Flights at this stage could be the following - depending on when the teams departed:

London, 7:05
Zurich, 7:20
Singapore, 8:00

I doubt there'll be a direct flight. There should be two flights to the destination country that arrive close to each other.

EDIT: Melbourne via Sydney/Auckland or Vancouver, I'm guessing
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: calibound234 on November 20, 2010, 09:33:42 PM
Could this add to the Toronto speculation then?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 20, 2010, 09:37:26 PM
Toronto Flight's leave all at same time, 9:55pm
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on November 20, 2010, 10:27:47 PM
Oceania or South America are the best bets for now.

Likely
Oceania: Multiple flights to Sydney and Auckland. Timing would be good for a morning arrival.
S America: Multiple flights to Atlanta and Miami. Arrivals would be in the late afternoon, though.

Possible
Asia: Two direct flights to Taipei tonight. Hong Kong and Seoul possible, but unlikely due to recent visit.

Unlikely
N America: Extremely unlikely since arrivals are at night.
Europe: Two direct flights to just-visited London. Connecting to anywhere else will result in a night arrival.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Ray! on November 21, 2010, 01:59:45 AM
Oceania or South America are the best bets for now.

Likely
Oceania: Multiple flights to Sydney and Auckland. Timing would be good for a morning arrival.
S America: Multiple flights to Atlanta and Miami. Arrivals would be in the late afternoon, though.

Possible
Asia: Two direct flights to Taipei tonight. Hong Kong and Seoul possible, but unlikely due to recent visit.

Unlikely
N America: Extremely unlikely since arrivals are at night.
Europe: Two direct flights to just-visited London. Connecting to anywhere else will result in a night arrival.

Seasons 10 & 11 had night arrivals if I recall correctly. They could do something similar if that's the case. :/
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 21, 2010, 02:04:25 AM
Teams are apparently on the way to Sydney.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on November 21, 2010, 02:24:57 AM
I saw the flight info posted in the raw data thread for tweets, etc., and I did notice that there was an American Airlines flight to Sydney, and if there's still an American Airlines tie-in with TAR, that would tend to inferentially support Sydney as a first destination.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on November 21, 2010, 02:51:37 AM
There was a tweet about seeing Kynt & Vyxsin at their Qantas gate at a few minutes past 11.  

As noted the Qantas LAX flights this evening are to Auckland, New York, Brisbane,  and Sydney.  And we know from talking to the bookstore workers that they were going to Australia.

(http://i51.[banned image hosting site].com/fw5egn.png)

So which flight are they on?   It could be Brisbane or Sydney.

I Showed a picture of  Kynt & Vyxsin to a TSA agent who checks passports and boarding passes at LAX Tom Bradley International terminal and the agent said that they had passed through at 6:30 pm to go to a Qantas flight.

That narrows the choice to just Sydney because the flight to Brisbane left from Terminal 4.

 :jam:

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: AmazingRace on November 21, 2010, 02:54:20 AM
I saw the flight info posted in the raw data thread for tweets, etc., and I did notice that there was an American Airlines flight to Sydney, and if there's still an American Airlines tie-in with TAR, that would tend to inferentially support Sydney as a first destination.

American Airlines does not fly it's own metal to Sydney. It code-shares with Qantas under the OneWorld Alliance I believe.  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: jerseydude on November 21, 2010, 03:00:05 AM
There was a tweet about seeing Kynt & Vyxsin at their Qantas gate at a few minutes past 11. 

As noted the Qantas LAX flights this evening are to Auckland, New York, Brisbane,  and Sydney.  And we know from talking to the bookstore workers that they were going to Australia.

(http://i51.[banned image hosting site].com/fw5egn.png)

So which flight are they on?   It could be Brisbane or Sydney.

I Showed a picture of  Kynt & Vyxsin to a TSA agent who checks passports and boarding passes at LAX Tom Bradley International terminal and the agent said that they had passed through at 6:30 pm to go to a Qantas flight.

That narrows the choice to just Sydney because the flight to Brisbane left from Terminal 4.

 :jam:



But did all teams take the Qantas flight or did some other teams take the United or Delta flight to Sydney?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on November 21, 2010, 03:02:51 AM
And once again I got derailed by mis-information coming out of Toronto  (:;)

Had I ignored it I may have stumbled upon Vynt & Vyxsin at the bookstore or the  Food court.  I wasted the time chasing planes to Toronto!   :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on November 21, 2010, 03:11:58 AM
Quote
But did all teams take the Qantas flight or did some other teams take the United or Delta flight to Sydney?

I can say with 100% certainty that they did not take United UA 839 to Sydney.  And 90% certainty that they did not take Virgin Australia VA 2 to Sydney (thanks to Toronto for this!).  I didn't check the Delta Flight DL 17 at all.  So that is a good possibility.  Also there is an earlier Qantas flight to Sydney  QF 12 leaving at 10:25 pm.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Coutzy on November 21, 2010, 03:13:54 AM
Quote
But did all teams take the Qantas flight or did some other teams take the United or Delta flight to Sydney?

I can say with 100% certainty that they did not take United UA 839 to Sydney.  And 90% certainty that they did not take Virgin Australia VA 2 to Sydney.  I didn't check the Delta Flight DL 17 at all.  So that is a good possibility.  Also there is an earlier Qantas flight to Sydney  QF 12 leaving at 10:25 pm.

How certain is Sydney? I would like to be 100% absolutely confident before going on a 10 hour drive.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on November 21, 2010, 03:15:20 AM
Take it to the bank!

Now if they are just making a connection in Sydney that's another matter.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 21, 2010, 03:18:23 AM
If they get there at 6:30-odd in the morning, I'd guess Sydney would be where they stay...Coutzy, this is your chance to catch Kynt and Vyxsin and the teams, photos and all!!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Coutzy on November 21, 2010, 03:20:30 AM
If there was a way of knowing with 100% certainty that I would catch them coming out of Sydney, then I would be on my way. But the possibility of them catching a connection has me really nervous that I may have wasted about 300 dollars going up to a place when all they are doing is going elsewhere.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 21, 2010, 03:22:35 AM
Buying a tourist book of Australia signifies it enough...Sydney at 7am is a great start for Leg 1, going for a whole day...I would do it, but of course this is your choice, and I can't persuade you otherwise...Think about it though, why would they go anywhere else, though don't hold me to it.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: jerseydude on November 21, 2010, 03:25:33 AM
Buying a tourist book of Australia signifies it enough...Sydney at 7am is a great start for Leg 1, going for a whole day...I would do it, but of course this is your choice, and I can't persuade you otherwise...Think about it though, why would they go anywhere else, though don't hold me to it.

Actually the flights get there around 8-9am.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 21, 2010, 03:26:38 AM
Even better! Coutzy, I think this is the right thing to do, imo. Photos of their touchdown would be great for RFF! But, ultimately, you decide, mate! I hope I'm not being a bit pushy  :lol: :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Caelestor on November 21, 2010, 03:44:55 AM
If there was a way of knowing with 100% certainty that I would catch them coming out of Sydney, then I would be on my way. But the possibility of them catching a connection has me really nervous that I may have wasted about 300 dollars going up to a place when all they are doing is going elsewhere.

I have my suspicions that Leg 2 will be in Melbourne, so your choice.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: jerseydude on November 21, 2010, 05:37:36 AM
Just an FYI, Qantas 12 is now being re-directed, possible back to HNL (Honolulu, Hawaii). On the Qantas Website, it says the flight has been canceled and on Flightstats, the flight is being re-directed, location is not noted.

Website:
http://zh.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA12
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 21, 2010, 06:07:33 AM
If there was a way of knowing with 100% certainty that I would catch them coming out of Sydney, then I would be on my way. But the possibility of them catching a connection has me really nervous that I may have wasted about 300 dollars going up to a place when all they are doing is going elsewhere.

I have my suspicions that Leg 2 will be in Melbourne, so your choice.
If there was a way of knowing with 100% certainty that I would catch them coming out of Sydney, then I would be on my way. But the possibility of them catching a connection has me really nervous that I may 




have wasted about 300 dollars going up to a place when all they are doing is going elsewhere.


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I have my suspicions that Leg 2 will be in Melbourne, so your choice.
If there was a way of knowing with 100% certainty that I would catch them coming out of Sydney, then I would be on my way. But the possibility of them catching a connection has me really nervous that I may have wasted about 300 dollars going up to a place when all they are doing is going elsewhere.
If there was a way of knowing with 100% certainty that I would catch them coming out of Sydney, then I would be on my way. But the possibility of them catching a connection has me really nervous that I may have wasted about 300 dollars going up to a place when all they are doing is going elsewhere.
If there was a way of knowing with 100% certainty that I would catch them coming out of Sydney, then I would be on my way. But the possibility of them catching a connection has me really nervous that I may have wasted about 300 dollars going up to a place when all they are doing is going elsewhere.
If there was a way of knowing with 100% certainty that I would catch them coming out of Sydney, then I would be on my way. But the possibility of them catching a connection has me really nervous that I may have wasted about 300 dollars going up to a place when all they are doing is going elsewhere.
If there was a way of knowing with 100% certainty that I would catch them coming out of Sydney, then I would be on my way. But the possibility of them catching a connection has me really nervous that I may have wasted about 300 dollars going up to a place when all they are doing is going elsewhere.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Macaroons on November 21, 2010, 09:19:32 AM
5 continents again this season. Keep that in mind if we have any gaps in the route.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on November 21, 2010, 10:38:49 AM
Looking at possibilities of teams connecting in Sydney for another immediate Australian destination. I say we can quite rule out Melbourne, Hobart and Darwin for Leg One. Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth are still fair game.

The flights to Australia on the evening of the 20th are:
VA 2 to Sydney, 2010-0605
VE 2 to Sydney, 2020-0604
UA 839 to Sydney, 2215-0730
QF 12 to Sydney, 2225-0800 (diverted)
DL 12 to Sydney, 2245-0840
QF 108 to Sydney, 2350-0925
QF 16 to Brisbane, 2350-0745

Melbourne: Extremely unlikely
Los Angeles and Melbourne have no direct connections on the evening of 20 Nov, but there are three separate direct flights arriving in the span of 90min the very next day. It would be unlikely for the start to be scheduled on the 20th and not the 21st if Melbourne were the first destination.

Hobart: Extremely unlikely
The first Sydney-Hobart flight that teams can hope to catch arrives in Tasmania at 11.10am. The next flight arrives at 4.05pm, a full five hours after the first. Not the material for a good first-leg race.

Darwin: Extremely unlikely
All LAX-SYD flights up to DL 12 can hope to connect to the 9.50am Darwin flight, arriving in the Northern Territories at 12.50pm. The next available flight arrives at 5.05pm. Connecting via Brisbane will result in a 3.45pm arrival. I'd say these are spaced too far apart for a good race.

Brisbane: Possible
Neither United nor Delta have corresponding partners in domestic Australian routes. The direct flight from LAX arrives at 7.45am. A Virgin connection via Sydney arrives at 8.25am, while the two Qantas connections arrive at 9.25am and 11.25am.

Adelaide: Possible
Neither United nor Delta have corresponding partners in domestic Australian routes. A Virgin connection arrives in Adelaide at 10.50am, while Qantas connections arrive in Adelaide at 11.20am and 12.40pm. Connections via Brisbane arrive much later.

Perth: Possible
Neither United nor Delta have corresponding partners in domestic Australian routes. A Virgin connection arrives in Perth at 1.35pm, while Qantas connections arrive in Perth at 12.00pm and 2.00pm. A connection via Brisbane arrives at 1.20pm.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: krabbe on November 21, 2010, 10:55:06 AM
I don't think K/V would waste money on a Sydney guidebook if they're just connecting, though.   :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on November 21, 2010, 10:59:41 AM
I don't think K/V would waste money on a Sydney guidebook if they're just connecting, though.

Was there further clarification on the book they were looking at? I've only seen this:

Kynt and Vyxin asked in book store for Australia books.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Belle Book on November 21, 2010, 11:36:53 AM
Just an FYI, Qantas 12 is now being re-directed, possible back to HNL (Honolulu, Hawaii). On the Qantas Website, it says the flight has been canceled and on Flightstats, the flight is being re-directed, location is not noted.

Website:
http://zh.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA12

Whoa!  Wonder what happened to the flight?

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: amazing race fan on November 21, 2010, 11:42:09 AM
This is an interesting development. I am pretty sure that the flight already left HNL and is in the air.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: krabbe on November 21, 2010, 11:42:40 AM
I don't think K/V would waste money on a Sydney guidebook if they're just connecting, though.

Was there further clarification on the book they were looking at? I've only seen this:

Kynt and Vyxin asked in book store for Australia books.

Whoops, my bad. I thought I read "Sydney guidebook" somewhere. Sorry :-[
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: amazing race fan on November 21, 2010, 11:54:07 AM
I just found out that the flight left HNL at 3:39 am sydney,australia time which was about an hour and 10 minutes ago. The Flight is scheduled to land in sydney at 9:41 local time which is at about 5:41 Eastern Standard Time.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on November 21, 2010, 11:54:40 AM
Just an FYI, Qantas 12 is now being re-directed, possible back to HNL (Honolulu, Hawaii). On the Qantas Website, it says the flight has been canceled and on Flightstats, the flight is being re-directed, location is not noted.

Website:
http://zh.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA12

Whoa!  Wonder what happened to the flight?

Belle Book


That's the wrong flight.  Teams are on Qantas 108 that boarded at 11:50 pm

QF 108 is on track:  arrives at 9:35 am (10 min late)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 21, 2010, 12:39:38 PM
No. Hopefully everyone will start watching FB and twitters like a hawk.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 21, 2010, 12:52:36 PM
There is also the possibility over at Sucks, of DanDownUnder helping with the team-spotting...If Peach, or someone at Sucks as him and give him some information...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: tarobbsessed24 on November 21, 2010, 01:06:56 PM
when is then first flight do to arrive?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 21, 2010, 01:08:51 PM
There is also the possibility over at Sucks, of DanDownUnder helping with the team-spotting...If Peach, or someone at Sucks as him and give him some information...

Dan knows how to reach me.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 21, 2010, 01:12:00 PM
Flight QS 08, Is that a flight that had teams aboard? Hasn't that had to reboard in Honululu
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 21, 2010, 01:14:17 PM
I know we are all excited, but please please let's try to work together here? There is a TAR 18 speculation thread for discussion and to toss ideas around.

This thread is intended for discussion of confirmed locations. So for example, actual spoilers related to Sydney would go here, or info/maps about any Sydney locations we have reason to believe we will see.

:ty3:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 21, 2010, 01:15:09 PM
Could everyone please realize that this is the correct flight:

Quote
Qantas 108 that boarded at 11:50 pm

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23692.msg574702.html#msg574702

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: NotKaren on November 21, 2010, 01:22:24 PM
Flight 108 going from LAX to Sydney?

OK, even if I hated Lost in its last couple of seasons, that still made me smile. (I miss Jack... *sniff*)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: NotKaren on November 21, 2010, 02:23:08 PM
Thanks, Dr. Rox.

That does make Australia a better choice for first leg... but... I hope it's rural Australia, English-speaking major city for experienced racers still lacks a punch for a season premiere (watch them come up with hellish tasks to prove me wrong!) I guess this falls more under Destination Speculation, but here's a little recap of where these teams have raced before. I think they might skip China this time but do India and South America seems like it might be in order, although probably not Argentina/Chile.

KYNT/VYXIN
Shannon, Ireland
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Bingo, Burkina Faso   
Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso   
Vilnius, Lithuania      
Dubrovnik, Croatia   
Florence, Italy      
Mumbai, India

AMANDA/KRIS
Stechelberg, Switzerland
Munich, Germany-Salzburg, Austria
Brasov, Romania   
Krasnoyarsk, Siberia,Russia

MEL/MIKE
Stechelberg, Switzerland
Munich, Germany-Salzburg, Austria
Brasov, Romania   
Krasnoyarsk, Siberia,Russia
Novosibirsk, Siberia, Russia
Jaipur, India
Phuket, Thailand

KISHA/JEN
Stechelberg, Switzerland
Munich, Germany-Salzburg, Austria
Brasov, Romania   
Krasnoyarsk, Siberia,Russia
Novosibirsk, Siberia, Russia
Jaipur, India
Phuket, Thailand
Bangkok, Thailand
Guilin, China    
Beijing,China

MARGIE/LUKE
Stechelberg, Switzerland
Munich, Germany-Salzburg, Austria
Brasov, Romania   
Krasnoyarsk, Siberia,Russia
Novosibirsk, Siberia, Russia
Jaipur, India
Phuket, Thailand
Bangkok, Thailand
Guilin, China    
Beijing,China
Maui, Hawaii

JAIME/CARA
Stechelberg, Switzerland
Munich, Germany-Salzburg, Austria
Brasov, Romania   
Krasnoyarsk, Siberia,Russia
Novosibirsk, Siberia, Russia
Jaipur, India
Phuket, Thailand
Bangkok, Thailand
Guilin, China    
Beijing,China
Maui, Hawaii

GLOBETROTTERS
Tokyo, Japan    
Cai Be, Vietnam
Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Phnom Penh, Cambodia
Dubai, UAE   
Groningen, The Nertherlands   
Stockholm, Sweden
Tallinn, Estonia
Prague, Czech Republic

ZEV/JUSTIN
Tokyo, Japan    
Cai Be, Vietnam
Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Phnom Penh, Cambodia

JET/CORD
Valparaíso, Chile
Puerto Varas, Chile
Neuquén Province, Argentina
Hamburg, Germany
Massiges, France
Épernay, France
Praslin, Seychelles
Penang, Malaysia
Singapore    
Shanghai, China
San Francisco, CA

GARY/MALLORY
Herefordshire, England
Accra, Ghana
Kiruna, Sweden
Narvik, Norway
Saint Petersburg, Russia
Muscat, Oman
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 21, 2010, 02:28:09 PM
Great summary!! Thanks for doing that!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: NotKaren on November 21, 2010, 02:30:24 PM
It's such a pleasure! This is my first time spoiling myself rotten for TAR! Sorry I didn't know if we were allowed to actually mention contestants in THIS tread, I thought some people spoil themselves selectively. In a normal season, I'd only want to know the destinations for instance, nothing about the teams, that's why I posted in the wrong thread.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 21, 2010, 02:36:12 PM
It is a spoiler board, so we can't discriminate that much, or we would go insane.:lol:

Thanks again!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on November 21, 2010, 02:41:10 PM
If the route of TAR 11 is any guide vis-a-vis the places those participating Racers had been to prior to that season, there may be return visits for some of the teams. (Oswald-Danny had been to Hong Kong for TAR 2 and again for TAR 11.) I do not think we can assume that none of those venues visited by returning teams won't be included this time.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: NotKaren on November 21, 2010, 02:47:02 PM
If the route of TAR 11 is any guide vis-a-vis the places those participating Racers had been to prior to that season, there may be return visits for some of the teams. (Oswald-Danny had been to Hong Kong for TAR 2 and again for TAR 11.) I do not think we can assume that none of those venues visited by returning teams won't be included this time.

No, obviously not. With so many variables like weather, transport options, political stability, etc. BUT... looking at that list, I think some places ARE more likely than others to not be revisited, such as The Netherlands, unless they really, really need Schipol as a departure airport for a very specific connection to... I don't know... Curacao? Same goes for Russia. And Sweden. Everything else is game, although I'm thinking they might be going to India mostly because TAR17 isn't, but also because not that many returning teams have been there already.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: SkyWriter9 on November 21, 2010, 04:52:02 PM
I think China's fair game as well, since they didn't go there in TAR 17.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on November 21, 2010, 04:55:35 PM
The two Qantas flights are currently estimated to land 1 minute apart:

QF 12      9:59 am
QF 108  10:00  am

 :wohoo:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 21, 2010, 04:58:13 PM
http://www.goandroam.com/webcams/australia/sydney/

Don't know if this will be of help...

Anyone we know on the ground?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 21, 2010, 05:00:42 PM

Anyone we know on the ground?

Please stop asking all of you...it isn't appropriate to ask right now.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 21, 2010, 05:05:57 PM
Sorry....soooo sorry, as always!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on November 21, 2010, 07:04:55 PM
From FB:
The amazing race being filmed on MY ferry to manly!!
a few seconds ago via iPhone

Manly? What?
Manly is a suburb of northern Sydney

Yeah, I've been to Manly myself. But getting there from Lavender Bay requires backtracking to Circular Quay? And can teams be at the Lavender Bay clue box so quickly?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 21, 2010, 07:06:46 PM
It's 12:06, teams got out into Sydney at 10:15, it's plausible
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on November 21, 2010, 07:14:22 PM
Ferry to Manly:  30 min ride


Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 21, 2010, 07:17:15 PM
Ferries every half-hour, that'll split the teams!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: AmazingRace on November 22, 2010, 02:37:47 AM
A cluebox!

(http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/5082/tar18cluebox.jpg) (http://img109.imageshack.us/i/tar18cluebox.jpg/)


EDIT: Sorry. Blanked the child out.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: CrazyMonkey on November 22, 2010, 03:04:19 AM
I have been to Oceanworld Manly lately, it is an awesome place for a task to take place. I would assume they are going to do a diving task there. I got to hold a snake when I went to oceanworld lol
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on November 22, 2010, 03:12:22 AM
I think China's fair game as well, since they didn't go there in TAR 17.

Unless I missed the memo.....I do believe that Hong Kong is in China.....always has been. It was just leased to the English for about 100 years......it is the next episode of TAR 17.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: rodcub on November 22, 2010, 03:24:21 AM

Melbourne: Extremely unlikely
Los Angeles and Melbourne have no direct connections on the evening of 20 Nov, but there are three separate direct flights arriving in the span of 90min the very next day. It would be unlikely for the start to be scheduled on the 20th and not the 21st if Melbourne were the first destination.


You're right, Neobie... it was local Sydney stuff.  But, as I posted elsewhere:

I have it on very good authority that tomorrow they are going to be in Melbourne.

Seven Network and some US TV people were timing getting on foot from Southern Cross to Southbank area late last week. This could not be a coincidence, surely.

My tip... be hanging out about 9am at Eureka 88 and the Skydeck. You may see some cameras.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 22, 2010, 03:43:56 AM
We have someone else saying they are doing a flight to the OutBack...will be fun to see what happens! Thannks for sharing and :welcome:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: rodcub on November 22, 2010, 04:00:22 AM
We have someone else saying they are doing a flight to the OutBack...will be fun to see what happens! Thannks for sharing and :welcome:

We will know soon enough :)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: RichInSydney on November 22, 2010, 04:23:01 AM
2 special charter flights to BROKEN HILL tomorrow morning on Rex Airlines from Sydney Terminal 2:

ZL9578 Departs 6:05am
ZL9596 Departs 6:30am

Flight takes 2h20min.

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on November 22, 2010, 05:25:01 AM
2 special charter flights to BROKEN HILL tomorrow morning on Rex Airlines from Sydney Terminal 2:

ZL9578 Departs 6:05am
ZL9596 Departs 6:30am

Flight takes 2h20min.

Terrific find Rich. Broken Hill is known for its silver/lead/zinc mining and sheep....lots of sheep. So maybe some activities along those lines. I do have a question. How long does it take to ride the train from Broken Hill back to Sydney?........Just wondering about leaving and letting Phil get a day ahead for his standups in next leg. BVM does like his long train rides....
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 08:02:17 AM
Found them!

2 Charter flights to Broken Hill tomorrow morning on Rex Airlines Terminal 2:

ZL9578 Departs 6:05am
ZL9596 Departs 6:30am

Flight takes 2h20min.

Source at the Town Hall had contact with Globetrotters who asked her about Rex Airlines (Regional Express)

That is about exactly six hours from now, teams are probably resting somewhere since it is 1am in Sydney. They would arrive in Broken Hill about 5 CST.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 08:06:18 AM
2 special charter flights to BROKEN HILL tomorrow morning on Rex Airlines from Sydney Terminal 2:

ZL9578 Departs 6:05am
ZL9596 Departs 6:30am

Flight takes 2h20min.

Terrific find Rich. Broken Hill is known for its silver/lead/zinc mining and sheep....lots of sheep. So maybe some activities along those lines. I do have a question. How long does it take to ride the train from Broken Hill back to Sydney?........Just wondering about leaving and letting Phil get a day ahead for his standups in next leg. BVM does like his long train rides....

The direct train is only run once a week, the daily trip involves a bus and he may not be able to make the timing work. Phill would have a better chance of catching that charter back.
Info here: http://wikitravel.org/en/Broken_Hill#Get_in
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on November 22, 2010, 08:26:34 AM
2 special charter flights to BROKEN HILL tomorrow morning on Rex Airlines from Sydney Terminal 2:

ZL9578 Departs 6:05am
ZL9596 Departs 6:30am

Flight takes 2h20min.

Terrific find Rich. Broken Hill is known for its silver/lead/zinc mining and sheep....lots of sheep. So maybe some activities along those lines. I do have a question. How long does it take to ride the train from Broken Hill back to Sydney?........Just wondering about leaving and letting Phil get a day ahead for his standups in next leg. BVM does like his long train rides....

The direct train is only run once a week, the daily trip involves a bus and he may not be able to make the timing work. Phill would have a better chance of catching that charter back.
Info here: http://wikitravel.org/en/Broken_Hill#Get_in

Phil will most certainly fly back......the train is for the teams..........sigh
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: rodcub on November 22, 2010, 11:31:59 AM
2 special charter flights to BROKEN HILL tomorrow morning on Rex Airlines from Sydney Terminal 2:

ZL9578 Departs 6:05am
ZL9596 Departs 6:30am

Flight takes 2h20min.

Terrific find Rich. Broken Hill is known for its silver/lead/zinc mining and sheep....lots of sheep. So maybe some activities along those lines. I do have a question. How long does it take to ride the train from Broken Hill back to Sydney?........Just wondering about leaving and letting Phil get a day ahead for his standups in next leg. BVM does like his long train rides....

The direct train is only run once a week, the daily trip involves a bus and he may not be able to make the timing work. Phill would have a better chance of catching that charter back.
Info here: http://wikitravel.org/en/Broken_Hill#Get_in

Phil will most certainly fly back......the train is for the teams..........sigh

Of course, this makes the assumption they are flying back, rather than flying on to somewhere.  As I said, I have two reports now (reliable) that producers were in Melbourne last week timing the time it took to get from Southern Cross Station to the Southbank area.  Could they be doing something in the outback, then having to make way from Broken Hill to Melbourne?

Broken Hill to Sydney or Melbourne or even Adelaide is not that much on flying time.

Cheers,
Rod
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 11:36:22 AM
I thought they needed to get back to Sydney to leave by the same airport they came in by? Isn't that how they handle customs issues?
Welcome to RFF, rodcub!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 11:41:21 AM
I would guess that they will be boarding that charter flight in about an hour. Any way to track its progress and/or discover who makes it on the first one?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: rodcub on November 22, 2010, 11:49:06 AM

2 special charter flights to BROKEN HILL tomorrow morning on Rex Airlines from Sydney Terminal 2:

ZL9578 Departs 6:05am
ZL9596 Departs 6:30am

Flight takes 2h20min.


Of course, this makes the assumption they are flying back, rather than flying on to somewhere.  As I said, I have two reports now (reliable) that producers were in Melbourne last week timing the time it took to get from Southern Cross Station to the Southbank area.  Could they be doing something in the outback, then having to make way from Broken Hill to Melbourne?

Broken Hill to Sydney or Melbourne or even Adelaide is not that much on flying time.

Cheers,
Rod

There is also a flight back from Broken Hill (chartered) on REX this morning...

http://www.sydneyairport.com.au/SACL/Domestic-Arrivals.html?date=23/11/2010&results=1000&carrier=Rex

ZL9997  Broken Hill-Sydney arrives 11.30am

But I doubt the racers could be on that, given that they would get to Broken Hill about 8.30am to 9.00am, and then it suggests they'd almost be heading back immediately...?

There is also ZL861 (scheduled service) arriving back into Sydney at 12.10pm

Some things to think about there...  there isn't many services out of Broken Hill.  Maybe it is a driving on leg?  Or is it Indian Pacific from Broken Hill back to Sydney? (Departing Broken Hill at about 6.30pm tonight, arriving Sydney 10.15am Wednesday)  Indian Pacific to Adelaide doesn't run today.


Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 11:54:41 AM
Quote
There is also a flight back from Broken Hill (chartered) on REX this morning...

ZL9997  Broken Hill-Sydney arrives 11.30am

But I doubt the racers could be on that, given that they would get to Broken Hill about 8.30am to 9.00am, and then it suggests they'd almost be heading back immediately...?

There is also ZL861 (scheduled service) arriving back into Sydney at 12.10pm

Some things to think about there...  there isn't many services out of Broken Hill.  Maybe it is a driving on leg?  Or is it Indian Pacific from Broken Hill back to Sydney? (Departing Broken Hill at about 6.30pm tonight, arriving Sydney 10.15am Wednesday)  Indian Pacific to Adelaide doesn't run today.

I would count on the Indian Pacific to get them back in time for the next leg after (or during) a regular pitstop.

Also Kynt did say they would be driving themselves once they arrived. This seems to be logical anyway as a Australia should allow this and there are not many taxis in Broken Hill.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on November 22, 2010, 11:55:53 AM
I think the chances of another Australian leg after Broken Hill are minimal, so I'd say Wednesday is a Phil day (at the next destination), and teams leave Wednesday afternoon or evening to race at their next destination on Thursday.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 22, 2010, 12:58:51 PM
I thought they needed to get back to Sydney to leave by the same airport they came in by? Isn't that how they handle customs issues?
Welcome to RFF, rodcub!

No...they can leave from any airport, just takes permitting.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 22, 2010, 01:06:36 PM
I think the chances of another Australian leg after Broken Hill are minimal, so I'd say Wednesday is a Phil day (at the next destination), and teams leave Wednesday afternoon or evening to race at their next destination on Thursday.

The first leg Pitstop too has recently been almost the ONLY chance during the race for the racers to have some old-fashioned ESM, so hopefully a nice PitStop here would be in order.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: rodcub on November 22, 2010, 04:42:42 PM
I think the chances of another Australian leg after Broken Hill are minimal, so I'd say Wednesday is a Phil day (at the next destination), and teams leave Wednesday afternoon or evening to race at their next destination on Thursday.

The first leg Pitstop too has recently been almost the ONLY chance during the race for the racers to have some old-fashioned ESM, so hopefully a nice PitStop here would be in order.

It is likely Indian Pacific back to Sydney (an overnight trip, with sleeper carriages) is a good chance to get over the 15 hour LAX-SYD leg and the jetlag associated with it.

But then, SYD-MEL is a 50 minute sector... so, you never know :) :)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: FLeety on November 22, 2010, 06:11:09 PM
They fly out from Sydney to Tokyo on Qantas Flight 21, Sydney to Narita international airport, tomorrow night (24 Nov).

Cant reveal source, can confirm it is reliable.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 22, 2010, 06:15:55 PM
This is a possibility if they complete the leg by late afternoon, they can charter back to Sydney and leave for Tokyo
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 22, 2010, 06:25:39 PM
This is a possibility if they complete the leg by late afternoon, they can charter back to Sydney and leave for Tokyo

were did her tokyo form sweet
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 22, 2010, 06:28:12 PM
Pardon? Where did the....
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 22, 2010, 06:37:05 PM
Pardon? Where did the....

YOU SAY TOKYO IT NEXT
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: FLeety on November 22, 2010, 06:38:24 PM
I say Tokyo is next, and I say it's QF21 on 24 Nov leaving from Sydney. 

I cant reply to PM's because I'm a new member.   But your source is wrong.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 22, 2010, 06:39:39 PM
Pardon? Where did the....

YOU SAY TOKYO IT NEXT

I don't, FLeety does...and he's the one who says he has a source. May need someone to get ready to greet the teams in Japan...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: mike4lyf on November 22, 2010, 06:41:37 PM
I say Tokyo is next, and I say it's QF21 on 24 Nov leaving from Sydney. 

I cant reply to PM's because I'm a new member.   But your source is wrong.

you need to post 5 times. PM me your source, because my source says differently.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: 2old4tech on November 22, 2010, 06:45:27 PM
The Indian Pacific (train) departs Broken Hill, Tuesday at 6:30 PM; arrives Sydney, Wednesday 10:15 AM.

http://www.gsr.com.au/site/indian_pacific/timetables_schedules.jsp (http://www.gsr.com.au/site/indian_pacific/timetables_schedules.jsp)

I guess this should really be in the spec thread.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 08:10:34 PM
The Indian Pacific (train) departs Broken Hill, Tuesday at 6:30 PM; arrives Sydney, Wednesday 10:15 AM.

http://www.gsr.com.au/site/indian_pacific/timetables_schedules.jsp (http://www.gsr.com.au/site/indian_pacific/timetables_schedules.jsp)

I guess this should really be in the spec thread.

That's in 5 hours, too soon for teams. There is a flight Wed morning departing at 9am. It is 1pm now and they are still racing, if they get to the PS by 4 or 5 and are released 12hrs later they could all catch up by taking this.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on November 22, 2010, 08:38:39 PM

There is a flight Wed morning departing at 9am.

After an assumed elimination in Broken Hill.....you will have 10 teams left........thats 40 people. Rex Regional Express's largest plane only holds 34 people.........what do the other 6 people do?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 22, 2010, 08:43:21 PM

There is a flight Wed morning departing at 9am.

After an assumed elimination in Broken Hill.....you will have 10 teams left........thats 40 people. Rex Regional Express's largest plane only holds 34 people.........what do the other 6 people do?

Attach themselves to the roof of the plane?.......
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 08:46:20 PM

There is a flight Wed morning departing at 9am.

After an assumed elimination in Broken Hill.....you will have 10 teams left........thats 40 people. Rex Regional Express's largest plane only holds 34 people.........what do the other 6 people do?

 :duno:

There is no Broken Hill train departure on Wed, no more flights out of there. Those charters didn't touch down til 9am and if they had a 12hr PS from then they would still miss the train.
Only option I see is a fudged PS that gets them back to Sydney during the 12 hours. If it arrives there by 10am they would have about 6hrs before being released.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 22, 2010, 08:46:47 PM
Apparently Rex is adding on extra planes!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 22, 2010, 08:47:58 PM
Apparently Rex is adding on extra planes!

From where? The other charter flew back. It is only a 2hr flight though...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on November 22, 2010, 08:49:08 PM
Broken Hill resources: Streetview in BH is adequate.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on November 22, 2010, 09:18:42 PM
The Truth Was Out There.

Two and a half weeks ago.

And we missed it.  :'(

From a speech by Senator the Hon Nick Sherry on November 4th to an adventure and backpacking conference that I found on an Australian Government site:

In addition, Australia will host North American TV show the Amazing Race, which will be filmed here in Sydney, possibly in the Blue Mountains - or even further in Broken Hill.

The whole speech is at http://minister.innovation.gov.au/sherry/Pages/ADDRESSTOTHEADVENTUREANDBACKPACKINGINDUSTRYCONFERENCE.aspx (http://minister.innovation.gov.au/sherry/Pages/ADDRESSTOTHEADVENTUREANDBACKPACKINGINDUSTRYCONFERENCE.aspx)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on November 22, 2010, 09:35:00 PM
Given how completely 18 was kept under wraps, I'm surprised that slip even happened, much less not get noticed.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on November 22, 2010, 09:42:41 PM
Given how completely 18 was kept under wraps, I'm surprised that slip even happened, much less not get noticed.

I'm not surprised either that we missed it. I only found it accidentally when I was searching for something else. I tried other search terms that should have worked and it didn't come up. I think you would have had to know where they were going to find it and of course, we didn't.

I agree, I was surprised that the Honorable Mr. Sherry was that indiscreet. I was just being a bit sarcastic in my earlier post.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on November 22, 2010, 09:56:12 PM
Apparently Rex is adding on extra planes!

I have to agree and the flights are just not in the system yet. Its either that or a 6 hour drive to Adelaide or 9 hour drive to Melbourne. Maybe they have those highway "trains" lined up again.....lol
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: SkyWriter9 on November 22, 2010, 10:24:52 PM
Forgive me for asking, but what are highway trains?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: tarflyonthewall on November 23, 2010, 01:43:41 AM
Road trains are the behemoths that teams used to get from Coober Pedy to Glendambo in TAR2. Basically, it's a truck pulling more than one trailer.

I'm not surprised that slipup got through, considering how completely the Israeli media seems to have made up its own leg for TAR Australia.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on November 23, 2010, 07:56:11 AM
it japan next
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2010, 08:02:57 AM

There is no Broken Hill train departure on Wed, no more flights out of there. Those charters didn't touch down til 9am and if they had a 12hr PS from then they would still miss the train.

Only option I see is a fudged PS that gets them back to Sydney during the 12 hours. If it arrives there by 10am they would have about 6hrs before being released.

It looks like this is what they are doing. It was really their only choice.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2010, 08:05:19 AM
So that train departed at 6pm Sydney time right? Chelsea said they waited for it for 5hrs, this means the leg only lasted from about 8am to 1pm. Also means another non-12hr PS. Correct me if I'm wrong cause I'm confused ???
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2010, 08:28:26 AM
As far as Tokyo, for no apparent reason Sydney does not fly there on the 24th that I can see. However, teams could probably just make China Air CA176 or New Zealand Air NZ4906, both to Beijing, both departing at 11:30am. Guaranteed that there are a thousand flights from there to Tokyo.
If they miss that there are no other flights to China for hours but several to Singapore at 12:40pm.

Other possible destinations from Sydney in that time frame include: Bangkok, Jakarta, Hong Kong, HoChiMinh, Manila, and Singapore.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 23, 2010, 08:32:45 AM
There are direct flights to Tokyo from Sydney.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2010, 08:43:32 AM
There are direct flights to Tokyo from Sydney.

For the 24th the only nonstop is Qantas, flight 21, that does not depart until 10pm. The best choice is still Air China to Beijing.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on November 23, 2010, 08:50:44 AM
We will be able to tell which flight they take based on the tweets that pepper the day after the train rolls in.   :jam:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2010, 09:00:38 AM
We will be able to tell which flight they take based on the tweets that pepper the day after the train rolls in.   :jam:

About 8hrs till the train comes in.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 23, 2010, 09:07:27 AM
We will be able to tell which flight they take based on the tweets that pepper the day after the train rolls in.   :jam:

Or by this possibility:

They fly out from Sydney to Tokyo on Qantas Flight 21, Sydney to Narita international airport, tomorrow night (24 Nov).

Cant reveal source, can confirm it is reliable.

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on November 23, 2010, 09:08:11 AM
I did a quick search on travelocity and got 104 different flight combinations.......most are worthless......but that shows what there is out there. It depends on what happens when they get back.

I agree Peach.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2010, 09:28:58 AM

They fly out from Sydney to Tokyo on Qantas Flight 21, Sydney to Narita international airport, tomorrow night (24 Nov).

Cant reveal source, can confirm it is reliable.


That's the one I was talking about earlier, that seems to be a long time for them to wait though. That one doesn't depart for 12 hours after their train arrives. Maybe they'll have the PS then.

If this is true they will not be on the ground until almost 7am Thursday, Tokyo time. That's 5pm Wed on American central time.
We'll have plenty of time for some  :zz:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 23, 2010, 09:48:06 AM
Thank goodness.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on November 23, 2010, 11:00:24 AM
Thank goodness.

Japan? sound good , but I feel its a bit overused from season 14, maybe Sapporo woild have been better with snow tasks.

I don't mind Japan.  Nagoya, Kyoto, Okinawa, Nagano, Hiroshima, Fukuoka, and Sapporo have not been visited yet.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: krabbe on November 23, 2010, 11:24:42 AM
Gaaaah why are they skipping Indonesia AGAIN?? Very close to Australia, tons to do, never been visited before.
*end of rant*
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on November 23, 2010, 11:29:35 AM
Gaaaah why are they skipping Indonesia AGAIN?? Very close to Australia, tons to do, never been visited before.
*end of rant*

There's still chance they could visit Indonesia this season.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 23, 2010, 02:11:56 PM
Gaaaah why are they skipping Indonesia AGAIN?? Very close to Australia, tons to do, never been visited before.
*end of rant*

There's still chance they could visit Indonesia this season.

You never know when a natural disaster will hit Indonesia.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: FLeety on November 23, 2010, 03:59:34 PM
Pretty sure they are going to Japan tonight on the QF 21 leaving Sydney at around 10pm.

Interesting story for the planes leaving LA.  There were two scheduled flights on which they were allowed to travel, say the early plane and the late plane.

The early plane left on time (or close to time), but midflight there was an incident (not plane related, nor Amazing Race related, it was another unrelated passanger). And it had to land in Honolulu.

The late plane ended up getting in to Sydney first.  Most teams were on the early plane, but that was delayed by 2 hours. They were supposed to get in 1.5 hours before the later plane, but circumstances prevailed.  The later plane arrived about 30 minutes earlier.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on November 23, 2010, 04:11:38 PM
That scenario has happened before in TAR...........TAR 5 and TAR 6 off the top of my head. In both seasons, later arriving planes arrived first.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on November 23, 2010, 04:56:08 PM
Yes that has happened before, as well as the planned scheduling where the first flight to depart was intended to be the later arriving flight.  It was at that point smart teams learned to check the scheduled arrival times of both flights before accepting a producer set-up booking. Then the producers started having task-determinate distribution of tickets to prevent teams from using that knowledge of first arriving flights.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Cocoa on November 23, 2010, 05:34:54 PM
Gaaaah why are they skipping Indonesia AGAIN?? Very close to Australia, tons to do, never been visited before.
*end of rant*

There's still chance they could visit Indonesia this season.

You never know when a natural disaster will hit Indonesia.

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Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 23, 2010, 05:36:19 PM
edited...

Have RESPECT for each other, regardless of opinion. This of course includes no flaming/insulting other users and/or their posts.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: RichInSydney on November 23, 2010, 06:14:50 PM
This is from the daily newspaper in Broken Hill, the Barrier Daily Truth. Unfortunately you have to subscribe and pay for full article.

Looks like the pitstop was being setup at the mine?

http://www.bdtruth.com.au/index.php?stub&id=1271

"Quite a few locals were excited yesterday at the news that contestants and crew from the US TV reality show 'The Amazing Race' were in the city as part of their Australian leg of the show.

The production crew and 11 American couples arrived in the city on two Rex chartered planes yesterday morning from Sydney, and were picked up by several four-wheeldrives.

The show has couples race across the globe, doing crazy things at each destination. Rotary and St Johns Ambulance were at the old Junction Mine yesterday with the crew and contestants while they filmed a sequence for the show."


adding embed pic..(peach)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Broken%20Hill/TAr18BrokenHillPitstop.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on November 23, 2010, 06:18:38 PM
Nice find! Looks like they archive the full article in a week's time, so if there's anything else to the article we can come back to it then.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Cocoa on November 23, 2010, 06:37:59 PM
The Pitstop is indeed at Junction Mine, Broken Hill, Australia! :hearts:

Panoramic view of the place HERE (http://"http://www.panoramicearth.com/5809/Broken_Hill/Junction_Mine")
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on November 23, 2010, 06:51:32 PM
Great match! Here's the exact location of the Pit Stop mat.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 24, 2010, 08:03:29 AM
Glad to see that some of the teams were able to find better flights than QF21. There were plenty of other options.

Do we know who's on what?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on November 24, 2010, 10:51:38 AM
But, other than the connection through Hong Kong, there is nothing that is scheduled to get there faster.  
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 24, 2010, 12:02:42 PM
Now CX524 is showing that it was delayed 50min and will not land until 6:50am. That puts them an hour behind the others.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: mike4lyf on November 24, 2010, 03:59:44 PM
Do we know who got on what flight??
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 24, 2010, 04:23:40 PM
Do we know who got on what flight??

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23693.msg576607.html#msg576607
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: inquiring minds on November 25, 2010, 03:02:10 PM
IF IT IS TRUE THAT THEY WERE AT THE SHRINE HERE IS THE INFO ON IT......
Main hall (top of stairs) and dance stage (front)
Tsurugaoka Hachimangu is Kamakura's most important shrine. It was founded by Minamoto Yoriyoshi in 1063, and enlarged and moved to its current site in 1180 by Minamoto Yoritomo, the founder and first shogun of the Kamakura government.

The shrine is dedicated to Hachiman, the patron god of the Minamoto family and of the samurai in general. The deified spirits of the ancient Emperor Ojin who has been identified with Hachiman, Hime-gami and Empress Jingu are enshrined at Tsurugaoka Hachimangu Shrine.

The shrine is reached via a long, wide approach that leads from Kamakura's waterfront through the entire city center, with multiple torii gates along the way. The main hall (Hongu or Jogu) stands on a terrace at the top of a wide stairway. The main hall includes a small shrine museum, which displays various treasures owned by the shrine, such as swords, masks and documents.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 25, 2010, 04:05:02 PM
IF IT IS TRUE THAT THEY WERE AT THE SHRINE HERE IS THE INFO ON IT......
Main hall (top of stairs) and dance stage (front)
Tsurugaoka Hachimangu is Kamakura's most important shrine. It was founded by Minamoto Yoriyoshi in 1063, and enlarged and moved to its current site in 1180 by Minamoto Yoritomo, the founder and first shogun of the Kamakura government.

The shrine is dedicated to Hachiman, the patron god of the Minamoto family and of the samurai in general. The deified spirits of the ancient Emperor Ojin who has been identified with Hachiman, Hime-gami and Empress Jingu are enshrined at Tsurugaoka Hachimangu Shrine.

The shrine is reached via a long, wide approach that leads from Kamakura's waterfront through the entire city center, with multiple torii gates along the way. The main hall (Hongu or Jogu) stands on a terrace at the top of a wide stairway. The main hall includes a small shrine museum, which displays various treasures owned by the shrine, such as swords, masks and documents.

 :welcome2: to RFF!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: kenchan on November 26, 2010, 10:42:08 AM
IF IT IS TRUE THAT THEY WERE AT THE SHRINE HERE IS THE INFO ON IT......
Main hall (top of stairs) and dance stage (front)
Tsurugaoka Hachimangu is Kamakura's most important shrine. It was founded by Minamoto Yoriyoshi in 1063, and enlarged and moved to its current site in 1180 by Minamoto Yoritomo, the founder and first shogun of the Kamakura government.

The shrine is dedicated to Hachiman, the patron god of the Minamoto family and of the samurai in general. The deified spirits of the ancient Emperor Ojin who has been identified with Hachiman, Hime-gami and Empress Jingu are enshrined at Tsurugaoka Hachimangu Shrine.

The shrine is reached via a long, wide approach that leads from Kamakura's waterfront through the entire city center, with multiple torii gates along the way. The main hall (Hongu or Jogu) stands on a terrace at the top of a wide stairway. The main hall includes a small shrine museum, which displays various treasures owned by the shrine, such as swords, masks and documents.

As listed on the live sightings thread, here is the Google Maps street view link for the "torii" (entry way for Shinto shrines) at the Tsurugaoka Hachiman-gu (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode&q=%E9%B6%B4%E5%B2%A1%E5%85%AB%E5%B9%A1%E5%AE%AE&sll=35.31629%2C139.549842&sspn=0.006461%2C0.013937&ie=UTF8&hq=%E9%B6%B4%E5%B2%A1%E5%85%AB%E5%B9%A1%E5%AE%AE&hnear&ll=35.323599%2C139.555142&spn=0.01285%2C0.027874&z=16&layer=c&cbll=35.32367%2C139.554967&panoid=Ota8wQsGSkPJ75x1zWiocw&cbp=12%2C15.57%2C%2C0%2C3.41).

BTW, the Konnou Hachiman-gu they visited in TAR15 - NO ONE on the mixi.jp TAR fan community knew about it, despite its vicinity to one of the most popular areas in Tokyo.  It's only 300m east of the Shibuya station, but it's tucked away behind these office buildings by Roppongi-dori.

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: TARA on November 27, 2010, 07:44:32 PM
they visited Lijiang, China. I got a picture proof
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2010, 07:45:26 PM
they visited Lijiang, China. I got a picture proof

Great work! Who did you see?!?! You can send the pic to GeorgiaPeach's email or PM if you can't get it to embed.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on November 27, 2010, 07:49:07 PM
they visited Lijiang, China. I got a picture proof

If you want to, send your pic to georgiapeach and she will get it posted. Her email is listed on her profile.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: weihen on November 27, 2010, 07:49:57 PM
they visited Lijiang, China. I got a picture proof
Can you post it?Thank you so much...and where do you see them?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 27, 2010, 08:01:04 PM
cowboy spotted! Peach,check your e-mail!

Do you know where? Also has it been confirmed that they are going to the ancient city?

They spotted last night at airport to go to Kunming train station taking train to Lijiang.The guy who helped Gary and Mallory saw their clue,they're going to Lijiang ancient city.

Thanks for the clarification, I look forward to what our China team can produce!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: TARA on November 27, 2010, 08:13:41 PM
they're now en route from Kunming to Lijiang, China

the picture I said in the previous post was taken in Kunming, China, just got confirmed.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: weihen on November 27, 2010, 08:16:23 PM
they're now en route from Kunming to Lijiang, China

the picture I said in the previous post was taken in Kunming, China, just got confirmed.


They have already been in Lijiang now.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: graytex on November 28, 2010, 02:47:43 PM
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/China/TAR18kunmingcowboys2.jpg)

Here is a picture of the building behind Jet & Cord.  I can't find the name of the building but it is to the northwest of the Kunming Airport, which must be where this picture was taken.

(http://i52.[banned image hosting site].com/10rjwow.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on November 28, 2010, 02:51:28 PM
This shot was taken at 10:39 pm (Assumes November 28th).    ;)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/China/TAR18kunmingcowboys2.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 28, 2010, 02:52:51 PM
This shot was taken at 10:39 pm (Assumes November 29th).    ;)


Isn't that about the time they were getting on the train to Lijiang?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on November 28, 2010, 02:54:45 PM
This shot was taken at 10:39 pm (Assumes November 28th).    ;)

Haha, don't trust Chinese clocks! This was taken sometime closer to 7.30pm when our comrade exited Kunming Airport after bumping into Gary/Mallory! He left Kunming by train at 8.50pm.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Laimis on November 28, 2010, 02:56:54 PM
So, for now route looks like this :

1. America - Australia (TBC)
2. Australia - Japan
3. Japan - China (NEL)
4. China ? (U-TURN)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: kinibug on November 28, 2010, 03:00:02 PM
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/China/TAR18kunmingcowboys2.jpg)

Here is a picture of the building behind Jet & Cord.  I can't find the name of the building but it is to the northwest of the Kunming Airport, which must be where this picture was taken.

(http://i52.[banned image hosting site].com/10rjwow.jpg)

It looks like the building says "best" ontop of it,but I can't find a "best hotel" or anything of the sort in Kunming.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on November 28, 2010, 03:02:47 PM
It's the Best Business Passenger Terminal (百事特商务候机楼).

(http://www.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.52uyn.com/attachments/month_0902/20090227_3baf81ccb451cbae297dDKv26oCA9icH.jpg&sa=X&ei=TsPyTOnoJs7_nAfa2emeCg&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGu3SzVz0DyuUQoBmR0836FIKf8HQ)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: kinibug on November 28, 2010, 03:09:51 PM
It's the Best Business Passenger Terminal (百事特商务候机楼).

(http://www.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.52uyn.com/attachments/month_0902/20090227_3baf81ccb451cbae297dDKv26oCA9icH.jpg&sa=X&ei=TsPyTOnoJs7_nAfa2emeCg&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGu3SzVz0DyuUQoBmR0836FIKf8HQ)

Wow!Good find!Looks completely different in daylight.Does anyone know when I should start looking on fb for updates?How long till their train arrives?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on November 28, 2010, 03:12:38 PM
Scheduled to arrive at 5.13am Beijing Time (4.13pm EST), which is right about now. It's not an express train, though, so there could be substantial delays. Nothing as bad as Amtrak though. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 28, 2010, 03:14:02 PM
Here is some info about their next destination, Dounan Flower Market:

DouNan Flower Market is located near Chengong, southeast of Kunming. Dou Nan Flower Market is the "heart" of the nation's flowers’ markets as well as one of the biggest flower trade markets all over Asia. Its flower planting base occupies 4 square kilometers, and sells the flowers of more than 50 species and 200 varieties. The volume of business per day reaches 2.5 million RMB.
More than half of China's flowers come from Yunnan, with 80% of those passing through Dounan's market of 5,000 individual flower shops. More than 3 billion stems a year of over 600 different varieties are sold in the city.



Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 28, 2010, 04:32:13 PM
Does anyone know when I should start looking on fb for updates?How long till their train arrives?

There is no FB or Twitter in China. But still worth looking and esp searching blogs for stray encounters with Americans or Europeans!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 28, 2010, 04:32:53 PM
Next, the Golden Horse & Jade Chicken Archway:

As a landmark of Kunming, the Golden Horse & Jade Chicken Archway is a traditional piece of architecture. The emblem of the city of Kunming is composed of a golden horse and a jade chicken.
Golden Horse & Jade Chicken Archway is not only a place that you can see the fantastic facet of Kunming. The area around it called Golden Horse & Jade Chicken Square is also a commercial center for tourists as well as locals. Here many stores offer handcrafts of various nationalities.
Do not be anxious to find the way there. When you refer to the Golden Horse & Jade Chicken Square, locals will immediately tell you the right way. This landmark is a significant site to them. The civilization contained in this place will cover a splendid color on this ancient architecture.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on November 28, 2010, 04:38:43 PM
It's dead smack in the middle of town - they've a good noodle store there! :lol:

Although I'm not sure how the English translation might go through with the locals...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: jiajia12 on November 28, 2010, 04:40:32 PM
Ron and Chris Should have the edge again.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: LoveRocked on November 28, 2010, 10:03:45 PM
I am confuse and now route..

Leg 1 - Austraila
TBC/NEL

Leg 2-Austraila?
Elimination

Leg 3- Japan
TBC or NEL?

Leg 4 - Japan?
Elimination

Leg 5 -China
NEL (U-Turn)

Leg 6 - China---now
Elimination?


Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on November 28, 2010, 10:16:11 PM
I am confuse and now route..

Leg 1 - Austraila
TBC/NEL

Leg 2-Austraila?
Elimination

Leg 3- Japan
TBC or NEL?

Leg 4 - Japan?
Elimination

Leg 5 -China
NEL (U-Turn)

Leg 6 - China---now
Elimination?

I think this is the general thought at the moment, if I am reading all the threads right.

Leg 1a - Austraila(Los Angeles-Sydney)
TBC--(Cowboys last but no penalties on a TBC for last place)

Leg 1b-Austraila(Sydney-Broken Hill-(rolling pit stop)-Sydney)
Elimination (probably Amanda/Kris)

Leg 2- Japan (Sydney-Toyko)
Elimination (probably Mel/Mike)

Leg 3 - China (Toyko, Japan -Lijiang,China)
NEL  (Kynt/Vyxen last)

Leg 4 -China (Lijiang, China to Kunming,China--now)
Elimination probably

I am sure if I am wrong...there are plenty of people to correct me.

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: LoveRocked on November 28, 2010, 10:20:05 PM
I am confuse and now route..

Leg 1 - Austraila
TBC/NEL

Leg 2-Austraila?
Elimination

Leg 3- Japan
TBC or NEL?

Leg 4 - Japan?
Elimination

Leg 5 -China
NEL (U-Turn)

Leg 6 - China---now
Elimination?

I think this is the general thought at the moment, if I am reading all the threads right.

Leg 1a - Austraila(Sydney)
TBC--(Cowboys last but no penalties on a TBC for last place)

Leg 1b-Austraila(Broken Hill)
Elimination( probably Amanda/kris

Leg 2- Japan
Elimination (probably Mel/Mike)

Leg 3 - China (Lijiang)
NEL  (Kynt/Vyxen last)

Leg 4 -China(Kunming)--now
Elimination probably

I am sure if I am wrong...there are plenty of people to correct me.



Okay, thanks. it suppose if right, I guess.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: TheAmazingRace4Ever on November 28, 2010, 10:32:59 PM
can anyone tell me wat are the CERTAIN locatios they are going to after china  :hugs:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 28, 2010, 10:35:15 PM
Oh for goodness sake. Call Phil and ask? :lol:

This is a LIVE race! We are very lucky to know where they are today, much less tomorrow! 
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: ltvols on November 28, 2010, 10:46:24 PM
peach,  you never cease to bring a smile to my face!!!!    :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 28, 2010, 10:56:13 PM
peach,  you never cease to bring a smile to my face!!!!    :lol3:

:<3

I have killer race fatigue right now...TAR Detectives get less sleep than the racers do! :funny:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on November 28, 2010, 11:11:44 PM
GP, I don't think any of us anticipated this much insanity in a matter of a few days; and that's without the TAR 17 episode that aired tonight. ;)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 28, 2010, 11:52:02 PM
Green Lake Park
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: kinibug on November 29, 2010, 12:04:08 AM
Green Lake Park


That is stunning!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: inquiring minds on November 29, 2010, 03:44:23 AM
Oh for goodness sake. Call Phil and ask? :lol:

This is a LIVE race! We are very lucky to know where they are today, much less tomorrow! 
:lolmao:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: LoveRocked on November 29, 2010, 03:48:40 AM
Oh for goodness sake. Call Phil and ask? :lol:

This is a LIVE race! We are very lucky to know where they are today, much less tomorrow! 
:lolmao:
:lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 29, 2010, 09:59:23 AM
I would expect teams to be leaving PS within the next few hours, is there any clue to where they are going?

They have been in Asia for 3 legs now, maybe Europe?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: inquiring minds on November 29, 2010, 10:10:52 AM
 
peach,  you never cease to bring a smile to my face!!!!    :lol3:

:<3

I have killer race fatigue right now...TAR Detectives get less sleep than the racers do! :funny:
:yourock: :ty :ty3: :ty
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: north09 on November 29, 2010, 10:19:42 AM
I would expect teams to be leaving PS within the next few hours, is there any clue to where they are going?

They have been in Asia for 3 legs now, maybe Europe?

If they continue heading west, Europe is the final continent before heading home
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on November 29, 2010, 11:55:28 AM
I would expect teams to be leaving PS within the next few hours, is there any clue to where they are going?

They have been in Asia for 3 legs now, maybe Europe?

If they continue heading west, Europe is the final continent before heading home

After Europe they could easily stop by Africa or South America before heading back to the US. Not to mention island destinations like Bermuda, the West Indies, Iceland, or Jamaica.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Laimis on November 29, 2010, 12:06:28 PM
I want Lithuania  :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: TheAmazingRace4Ever on November 29, 2010, 06:20:15 PM
I want Lithuania  :hearts:
but they been there already   :groan:
[/quote]
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2010, 06:32:21 PM
This is not a wish list thread...it is a thread for the discussion of known locations. You can take wish lists to the Fantasy thread. Thanks!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: livingincm on November 30, 2010, 01:33:17 AM
I would expect teams to be leaving PS within the next few hours, is there any clue to where they are going?

They have been in Asia for 3 legs now, maybe Europe?

If they continue heading west, Europe is the final continent before heading home

After Europe they could easily stop by Africa or South America before heading back to the US. Not to mention island destinations like Bermuda, the West Indies, Iceland, or Jamaica.

Bermudas wld be scary.. what if they all dissapeared into the bermuda triangle hahahaha! Ok jk  :-[
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: LoveRocked on November 30, 2010, 03:55:52 AM
Any idea TAR 18 All stars going to next destination?  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: gl14 on November 30, 2010, 10:29:33 AM
I would expect teams to be leaving PS within the next few hours, is there any clue to where they are going?

They have been in Asia for 3 legs now, maybe Europe?

I know this isn't the fantasy route thread, but I just thought perhaps from Asia if they flew to Africa they could bypass Europe and go to South America instead.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: merci on December 05, 2010, 05:40:06 PM
Oh for goodness sake. Call Phil and ask? :lol:

This is a LIVE race! We are very lucky to know where they are today, much less tomorrow! 

Actually, I have his current cell phone number. Seriously. Its valid till tomorrow.  Then they to leave the country they're currently in.

I hope Phil has lots of warm clothes...it's kinda cold...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on December 05, 2010, 05:46:23 PM
Make the call!   

Say "Hi" for us!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: River on December 05, 2010, 05:56:49 PM
Oh for goodness sake. Call Phil and ask? :lol:

This is a LIVE race! We are very lucky to know where they are today, much less tomorrow! 

Actually, I have his current cell phone number. Seriously. Its valid till tomorrow.  Then they to leave the country they're currently in.

I hope Phil has lots of warm clothes...it's kinda cold...

Is this some sort of hint? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: merci on December 05, 2010, 06:17:49 PM
Make the call!   

Say "Hi" for us!

Will do when I see him! ;)






Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: TexasLady on December 05, 2010, 06:22:38 PM
Make the call!  

Say "Hi" for us!

Will do when I see him! ;)


LOL... Welcome to RFF merci.

(And could you just drop a hint or two here on RFF, like where you will be when you see him?)





Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on December 05, 2010, 06:24:24 PM
 :lol:

What's the weather like?

How does the sun feel on your face?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: LoveRocked on December 05, 2010, 09:58:14 PM
Make the call!   

Say "Hi" for us!

Will do when I see him! ;)

Mine too..





[/quote]
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Jobby on December 06, 2010, 03:11:55 AM
:lol:

What's the weather like?

How does the sun feel on your face?

Quote
Actually, I have his current cell phone number. Seriously. Its valid till tomorrow.  Then they to leave the country they're currently in.

I hope Phil has lots of warm clothes...it's kinda cold...

 :lol: Somewhere cold hmmmmmmmmm, EUROPE? :lol3:

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 08:43:41 AM
This FB post was made about 12:45 vienna time.

Look out for the Amazing Race in Vienna. We just happened to be filmed by a crew tagging along with a team. Watch for two guys asking for directions from a Postal Worker. We are walking towards them.

From FB.

IB 3576 landed in Vienna at 12:05 from Madrid. It departed from Madrid at 9am giving J/C plenty of time to get on it. I think that all teams may not have gone thru Madrid.

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 09:20:37 AM
It looks like that there are a lot of "christmas markets" in Vienna this time of year. There is some info on that
here: http://www.aboutvienna.org/veranstaltungen/veranstaltungen5.htm and here: http://www.visitingvienna.com/sights/christmasmarkets/rathausplatz/. That one looks like a good place for a task, the race likes those market like atmospheres.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: jayreh1021 on December 06, 2010, 03:23:35 PM
This concerns and excites me at the same time. They haven't gone to a new country yet (well it depends on if they went somewhere in between the finds of India, Spain, and Austria). I hope they have a stretch of new countries at the end.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: milanissimo on December 06, 2010, 03:46:01 PM
I think that Bratislava is very Very possible...as 9th leg...
10th Other European country...
And I think that 11th will be in central America
12th..Miami???
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 09, 2010, 09:42:12 AM
Thanks to unnamed friends and Neobie, Slowhatch, and walkingpneumonia who helped puzzle this out!


We can now say with some certainty:

India was leg 7.
Austria was leg 8.
Switzerland was leg 9.



In Austria, there may have been a food challenge on the famous Wiener Riesenrad (German for "Viennese giant wheel") Ferris wheel at the entrance of the Prater amusement park in Leopoldstadt, the 2nd district of Austria's capital Vienna.

There may have also been a task involving carrying "Freud's couch" to The University of Vienna.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 09:45:45 AM
Thanks to unnamed friends and Neobie, Slowhatch, and walkingpneumonia who helped puzzle this out!


We can now say with some certainty:

India was leg 7.
Austria was leg 8.
Switzerland was leg 9.



In Austria, there may have been a food challenge on the famous Wiener Riesenrad (German for "Viennese giant wheel") Ferris wheel at the entrance of the Prater amusement park in Leopoldstadt, the 2nd district of Austria's capital Vienna.

There may have also been a task involving carrying "Freud's couch" to The University of Vienna.

Yay for peach, Neobie, Slowhatch, and walkingpneumonia!  :cmas9
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 09, 2010, 10:08:10 AM
Thanks to unnamed friends and Neobie, Slowhatch, and walkingpneumonia who helped puzzle this out!
In Austria, there may have been a food challenge on the famous Wiener Riesenrad (German for "Viennese giant wheel") Ferris wheel at the entrance of the Prater amusement park in Leopoldstadt, the 2nd district of Austria's capital Vienna.

There may have also been a task involving carrying "Freud's couch" to The University of Vienna.
Some of the cars on the ferris wheel are set up for dinner service...
http://www.wienerriesenrad.com/index.php?menu=waggons&source=waggons&lang=en
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: kinibug on December 09, 2010, 10:24:04 AM
Thanks to unnamed friends and Neobie, Slowhatch, and walkingpneumonia who helped puzzle this out!


We can now say with some certainty:

India was leg 7.
Austria was leg 8.
Switzerland was leg 9.



In Austria, there may have been a food challenge on the famous Wiener Riesenrad (German for "Viennese giant wheel") Ferris wheel at the entrance of the Prater amusement park in Leopoldstadt, the 2nd district of Austria's capital Vienna.

There may have also been a task involving carrying "Freud's couch" to The University of Vienna.

Woot!It never ceases to amaze me how clever the RFF community is!!

Still (unsuccessfully) combing through random blogs.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: woden on December 09, 2010, 11:35:16 AM
We can now say with some certainty:

India was leg 7.
Austria was leg 8.
Switzerland was leg 9.


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Or 6, 7, and 8 if the Australia legs are presented as one episode -- hence the discrepancy with the timeline! We'll have this all figured out in a week or so, I imagine!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 09, 2010, 12:02:54 PM
I think it's dangerous to assume that the Australian TBC leg is going to be one episode.  Historically the TBC legs have been two episodes.  I think it confuses the situation to try and think of things in terms of episodes at this point. Who's to say that some other pair of legs might be aired as a two-hour episode, which had happened in the past?
If we can keep to it legs for right now it would avoid confusing things, as it is we know there's at least two legs between China and India that haven't been accounted for, and that's a sufficient source for confusion for now.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 09, 2010, 12:29:37 PM
Neobie.......is this what you are thinking now......I am trying to get a handle on it.....

1a - Sydney
1b - Broken Hill
3   -Yokahama
4   - Lijiang
5   - Kunming
6   - ?mystery place?
7   - India
8   - Austria
9   - Switzerland
10  -?
11  -?
12  -?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on December 09, 2010, 12:42:46 PM
Neobie.......is this what you are thinking now......I am trying to get a handle on it.....

1a - Sydney
1b - Broken Hill
3   -Yokahama
4   - Lijiang
5   - Kunming
6   - ?mystery place?
7   - India
8   - Austria
9   - Switzerland
10  -?
11  -?
12  -?

don't you mean
1a: Sydney
1b: Broken Hill
2: Japan
3: Lijiang
4: Kunming
5: unknown
6: India
7: Austria
8: Switzerland
9-12/13: unknown
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: sweffilou on December 09, 2010, 06:57:32 PM
Neobie.......is this what you are thinking now......I am trying to get a handle on it.....

1a - Sydney
1b - Broken Hill
3   -Yokahama
4   - Lijiang
5   - Kunming
6   - ?mystery place?
7   - India
8   - Austria
9   - Switzerland
10  -?
11  -?
12  -?

don't you mean
1a: Sydney
1b: Broken Hill
2: Japan
3: Lijiang
4: Kunming
5: unknown
6: India
7: Austria
8: Switzerland
9-12/13: unknown

Mjriches I think dr rox wrote it the way he did because we aren't sure if the Sydney and broken hill 'legs' will be counted separately making them 1 and 2 or if both parts will be as an double leg with the tbc in the middle
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on December 09, 2010, 10:43:45 PM
I'm counting the TBC as two 'legs' because that's how production views it: there are twelve legs in recent races. In other words, there are two legs in India.

Leg 1: Sydney
Leg 2: Broken Hill (TBC from Leg 1)
Leg 3: Tokyo/Yokohama
Leg 4: Lijiang
Leg 5: Kunming
Leg 6: Kolkata
Leg 7: India II, likely Goa/Thiruvanathapuram/Varanasi
Leg 8: Vienna
Leg 9: Switzerland
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 09, 2010, 10:53:33 PM
Given that we are missing a continent...I would be looking hard at SA right about now. :angel
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Heliox on December 09, 2010, 11:02:39 PM
Given that we are missing a continent...I would be looking hard at SA right about now. :angel

You mean South America or South Africa? I guess either continent would be possible. Have they ever finished with SoAmerica near the end of a race? My recollection is always visited at the beginning of the race.
eta: I Apologize for the discussion, I thought I was in spec/spoiler thread when I asked the question.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 09, 2010, 11:06:09 PM
should have spelled it out! South America...

discussing locations here is fine! Spec seems rather overrun at the moment.  :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Jobby on December 09, 2010, 11:06:41 PM
Given that we are missing a continent...I would be looking hard at SA right about now. :angel

You mean South America or South Africa? I guess either continent would be possible. Have they ever finished with SoAmerica near the end of a race? My recollection is always visited at the beginning of the race.

South America i believe. The Amazing Race 7.. and a few more i think. So it's not entire impossible. Isn't it always boring to end in Asia? :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: north09 on December 09, 2010, 11:12:08 PM
Maybe because it's a type of "all stars" race they are only visiting repeat countries, but I suspect that we may be looking at a new country in South America.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 09, 2010, 11:13:40 PM

Thanks Neobie........

Given that we are missing a continent...I would be looking hard at SA right about now. :angel

Well in this repeat season.....that leaves, Brasil, Argentina, Chile, Peru and Ecuador.......
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Plum on December 09, 2010, 11:21:12 PM
Oops, NVM, sorry Peach.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 09, 2010, 11:23:07 PM

Thanks Neobie........

Given that we are missing a continent...I would be looking hard at SA right about now. :angel

Well in this repeat season.....that leaves, Brasil, Argentina, Chile, Peru and Ecuador.......

Edited to add Boliva and Uruguay. TAR hasn't been to any other countries in SA.....Given their use of land travel and short distances between legs......I would guess two legs in Uruguay and Argentina...It is a short ferry ride from Buenos Aires to Montevideo or vice versa.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Caelestor on December 10, 2010, 12:18:58 AM
It just doesn't make sense to go deep into South America, but any of the following countries could be theoretically possible:

(French) Guyana
Suriname

From there, maybe a Caribbean destination to get that 8th country.

I'm still inclined to think Africa, though.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 10, 2010, 02:44:16 AM
Just cleanng up the orginal version after comments from Neobie.......

1 - Sydney, Australia
2 - Broken Hill, Australia
3 - Yokohama, Japan
4 - Lijiang, China
5 - Kunming, China
6 - Kolkata, India
7 - India II, probably either Goa/Thiruvanathapuram/Varanasi
8 - Vienna, Austria
9 - Chur, Switzerland
10 - possible South America
11 - possible South America
12 - End City, USA


Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: sofiaj.10 on December 10, 2010, 08:42:23 AM
hi! I AM ANOTHER NEW MEMBER  :cmas16

 i am from central america (panama) so i hope they come and visit here!!! they were here once for the family edition but aT the time i was not a fan of the show
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2010, 08:55:49 AM
hi! I AM ANOTHER NEW MEMBER  :cmas16

 i am from central america (panama) so i hope they come and visit here!!! they were here once for the family edition but aT the time i was not a fan of the show

Welcome to RFF!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2010, 08:56:26 AM
Just cleanng up the orginal version after comments from Neobie.......

1 - Sydney, Australia
2 - Broken Hill, Australia
3 - Yokohama, Japan
4 - Lijiang, China
5 - Kunming, China
6 - Kolkata, India
7 - India II, probably either Goa/Thiruvanathapuram/Varanasi
8 - Vienna, Austria
9 - Chur, Switzerland
10 - possible South America
11 - possible South America
12 - End City, USA




It would be interesting to see them go to South America before returning to America.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: gl14 on December 10, 2010, 11:18:58 AM
Just cleanng up the orginal version after comments from Neobie.......

1 - Sydney, Australia
2 - Broken Hill, Australia
3 - Yokohama, Japan
4 - Lijiang, China
5 - Kunming, China
6 - Kolkata, India
7 - India II, probably either Goa/Thiruvanathapuram/Varanasi
8 - Vienna, Austria
9 - Chur, Switzerland
10 - possible South America
11 - possible South America
12 - End City, USA




It would be interesting to see them go to South America before returning to America.

I wonder if they would consider Africa for the 10th leg and then South America for the 11th leg.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2010, 12:50:06 PM
Probably not to save costs. And what is stopping them from staying in Europe for the remainder of the race?

When they go westward, they usually do stay in Europe before returning to the States. We're merely hoping that they won't this time.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 10, 2010, 02:04:47 PM
There are non stop flights from many European cites (London, Paris, Frankfurt, Vienna, Amsterdam, Rome, Madrid and Lisbon) to the countries in South America that TAR has visited before. For the most part, these flights are red-eye overnight flights, but there are a few daytime flights.

Destination cities in Brasil are Fortaleza, Receife, Salvador, Belo Horizonte, Rio, Sao Paulo. Other cities in South America with direct non stop flights are Buenos Aires, Montevideo, Santiago, Lima, Guyaquil, and Quito.

With the exception of the first 3 cities listed for Brasil, all the other cities listed have direct, non stop, overnight, red-eye flights back into the US. Most of the flights arrive around sunup, +/- 2 hours.

USA End City possiblities are Dallas, Houston, Miami, Atlanta, DC Dulles, NYC JFK and Newark. There might be a couple more, but I just got tired of looking.


Edited to add Newark.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 10, 2010, 02:11:08 PM
There are non stop flights from many European cites (London, Paris, Frankfurt, Vienna, Amsterdam, Rome, Madrid and Lisbon) to the countries in South America that TAR has visited before. For the most part, these flights are red-eye overnight flights, but there are a few daytime flights.

Destination cities in Brasil are Fortaleza, Receife, Salvador, Belo Horizonte, Rio, Sao Paulo. Other cities in South America with direct non stop flights are Buenos Aires, Montevideo, Santiago, Lima, Guyaquil, and Quito.

With the exception of the first 3 cities listed for Brasil, all the other cities listed have direct, non stop, overnight, red-eye flights back into the US. Most of the flights arrive around sunup, +/- 2 hours.

USA End City possiblities are Dallas, Houston, Miami, Atlanta, DC Dulles, NYC JFK. There might be a couple more, but I just got tired of looking.

i got nc 
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2010, 02:12:31 PM
There are non stop flights from many European cites (London, Paris, Frankfurt, Vienna, Amsterdam, Rome, Madrid and Lisbon) to the countries in South America that TAR has visited before. For the most part, these flights are red-eye overnight flights, but there are a few daytime flights.

Destination cities in Brasil are Fortaleza, Receife, Salvador, Belo Horizonte, Rio, Sao Paulo. Other cities in South America with direct non stop flights are Buenos Aires, Montevideo, Santiago, Lima, Guyaquil, and Quito.

With the exception of the first 3 cities listed for Brasil, all the other cities listed have direct, non stop, overnight, red-eye flights back into the US. Most of the flights arrive around sunup, +/- 2 hours.

USA End City possiblities are Dallas, Houston, Miami, Atlanta, DC Dulles, NYC JFK. There might be a couple more, but I just got tired of looking.

Thanks for looking anyway, Doc! At least we now know that Europe>South America is a possibility.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 10, 2010, 02:25:46 PM

I wonder if they would consider Africa for the 10th leg and then South America for the 11th leg.

There is a direct flight from Johannesburg to Buenos Aires and a direct flgiht from Capetown to Buenos Aires.......it would have been nice to see them use one of them.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 10, 2010, 02:45:55 PM
Posts by Dr. Rox suggest that the most recent leg is Chur, Switzerland. Irrespective of the accuracy of that, there are frequent flights (at least every 2 hours) from Vienna to Zurich that take about 1.5 hours. The Swissrail IC train from Zurich Flughafen to Zurich Hbf takes 12 minutes and runs at least twice every reasonable hour and the IC train from Zurich HBF to Chur runs about every hour and takes 1.5 hours. That gives a total trip time of advance for airport checkin (maybe 1.5 hours), 1.5 hours in flight, an average of 0.5 hours including schedule delay to Zurich Hbf and 1.5 hours plus schedule delays from Zurich Hbf to Chur. That totals a minimum of about 5 hours.By itself, that doesn't help us much until we know more about what the pit stop release time in Vienna was and what the tasks in Chur were.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 10, 2010, 04:26:30 PM
Probably to save costs. And what is stopping them from staying in Europe for the remainder of the race?


And because Mac told us there are 5 continents and we only have 4??

And because I said so?? (http://planetsmilies.net/angel-smiley-5097.gif)  :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 11, 2010, 09:13:13 AM
There are non stop flights from many European cites (London, Paris, Frankfurt, Vienna, Amsterdam, Rome, Madrid and Lisbon) to the countries in South America that TAR has visited before. For the most part, these flights are red-eye overnight flights, but there are a few daytime flights.

Destination cities in Brasil are Fortaleza, Receife, Salvador, Belo Horizonte, Rio, Sao Paulo. Other cities in South America with direct non stop flights are Buenos Aires, Montevideo, Santiago, Lima, Guyaquil, and Quito.

With the exception of the first 3 cities listed for Brasil, all the other cities listed have direct, non stop, overnight, red-eye flights back into the US. Most of the flights arrive around sunup, +/- 2 hours.

USA End City possiblities are Dallas, Houston, Miami, Atlanta, DC Dulles, NYC JFK and Newark. There might be a couple more, but I just got tired of looking.


Edited to add Newark.


Well take Rio off the possible list and move to confirmed list......according to Peach.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Snooky on December 11, 2010, 09:15:46 AM
There are non stop flights from many European cites (London, Paris, Frankfurt, Vienna, Amsterdam, Rome, Madrid and Lisbon) to the countries in South America that TAR has visited before. For the most part, these flights are red-eye overnight flights, but there are a few daytime flights.

Destination cities in Brasil are Fortaleza, Receife, Salvador, Belo Horizonte, Rio, Sao Paulo. Other cities in South America with direct non stop flights are Buenos Aires, Montevideo, Santiago, Lima, Guyaquil, and Quito.

With the exception of the first 3 cities listed for Brasil, all the other cities listed have direct, non stop, overnight, red-eye flights back into the US. Most of the flights arrive around sunup, +/- 2 hours.

USA End City possiblities are Dallas, Houston, Miami, Atlanta, DC Dulles, NYC JFK and Newark. There might be a couple more, but I just got tired of looking.


Edited to add Newark.


Well take Rio off the possible list and move to confirmed list......according to Peach.
Unless she's saying the race is over which it isn't. Which seems more applicable since she said today.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 11, 2010, 09:21:43 AM
There are non stop flights from many European cites (London, Paris, Frankfurt, Vienna, Amsterdam, Rome, Madrid and Lisbon) to the countries in South America that TAR has visited before. For the most part, these flights are red-eye overnight flights, but there are a few daytime flights.

Destination cities in Brasil are Fortaleza, Receife, Salvador, Belo Horizonte, Rio, Sao Paulo. Other cities in South America with direct non stop flights are Buenos Aires, Montevideo, Santiago, Lima, Guyaquil, and Quito.

With the exception of the first 3 cities listed for Brasil, all the other cities listed have direct, non stop, overnight, red-eye flights back into the US. Most of the flights arrive around sunup, +/- 2 hours.

USA End City possiblities are Dallas, Houston, Miami, Atlanta, DC Dulles, NYC JFK and Newark. There might be a couple more, but I just got tired of looking.


Edited to add Newark.


Well take Rio off the possible list and move to confirmed list......according to Peach.
Unless she's saying the race is over which it isn't.

How do you even suggest that Peach is saying the race is over????? She said they are racing in Rio today.......
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Snooky on December 11, 2010, 09:26:00 AM
There are non stop flights from many European cites (London, Paris, Frankfurt, Vienna, Amsterdam, Rome, Madrid and Lisbon) to the countries in South America that TAR has visited before. For the most part, these flights are red-eye overnight flights, but there are a few daytime flights.

Destination cities in Brasil are Fortaleza, Receife, Salvador, Belo Horizonte, Rio, Sao Paulo. Other cities in South America with direct non stop flights are Buenos Aires, Montevideo, Santiago, Lima, Guyaquil, and Quito.

With the exception of the first 3 cities listed for Brasil, all the other cities listed have direct, non stop, overnight, red-eye flights back into the US. Most of the flights arrive around sunup, +/- 2 hours.

USA End City possiblities are Dallas, Houston, Miami, Atlanta, DC Dulles, NYC JFK and Newark. There might be a couple more, but I just got tired of looking.


Edited to add Newark.


Well take Rio off the possible list and move to confirmed list......according to Peach.
Unless she's saying the race is over which it isn't.

How do you even suggest that Peach is saying the race is over????? She said they are racing in Rio today.......
Who knows, it could have two meanings purposely, but re-look at the post..

You are going to have to take this on faith, but

RIO! today!
She never says they are racing in Rio.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2010, 01:00:45 PM
omg. Okay, just to be clear....

I have reason to believe the race may be in Rio de Janeirio today.

good grief.  :cmas18
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Snooky on December 11, 2010, 01:02:42 PM
omg. Okay, just to be clear....

I have reason to believe the race may be in Rio de Janeirio today.

good grief.  :cmas18
:funny:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DavidJunior on December 11, 2010, 03:01:53 PM
since there is a good 3-4 day gap between the finish of the leg in Switzerland and them arriving in Rio today, there certainly has to be another Euro leg somewhere

the question is where in Europe would they go?

the most likely i think are:
second leg in Switzerland
Northern Italy (Torino, Milano)
Western Germany (Mannheim, Frankfurt, Stuttgart)
and France (really anywhere in there, but maybe Lyon?)

there's also a slight possibility of them hopping on a flight and heading to the British Isles, Iberia, Benelux, or even Scandanavia
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Caelestor on December 11, 2010, 03:14:15 PM
Switzerland or a leg in Torino/Italy seems likely to save costs.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 11, 2010, 06:31:39 PM
I'm really looking forward to the prospect of having a penultimate leg in South America for the first time in 18 seasons! The closest that it has been is the Jamaica leg in TAR7.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 11, 2010, 09:34:33 PM
Switzerland or a leg in Torino/Italy seems likely to save costs.
There are plenty of fabulous places to visit in Switzerland besides Geneva, Grindelwald, Kanderstag, Montreux and Zurich (all AR3) and Locarno and Interlaken (AR14) and Chur (AR18). I vote strongly for that second leg in Switzerland. With the first leg finishing Tuesday teams would have to go somewhere plus get a 36 hour pit stop to depart Zurich Friday night, which would put them into Rio de Janeiro this morning.   It could be Bern, Zermatt, Lucerne, St. Moritz or Basel among many others.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: SkyWriter9 on December 12, 2010, 07:44:37 AM
omg. Okay, just to be clear....

I have reason to believe the race may be in Rio de Janeirio today.

good grief.  :cmas18
:cmaslol Now we're analyzing what you say just like what Phil says!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kelsey_x on December 12, 2010, 12:26:33 PM
Any possibility of them coming through Canada, or near Niagara Falls? Pretty late in the race to have my hopes up haha.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 12, 2010, 01:21:57 PM
No.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 12, 2010, 01:48:04 PM
No.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: AmazingRace on December 12, 2010, 04:20:53 PM
No.

 :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: AmazingRace on December 12, 2010, 04:52:59 PM
No.

 :lol3:

Why are you laughing? nothing is funny here :reindeer

 :mas25 Winks!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Snooky on December 12, 2010, 05:40:47 PM
You know, if you looked at the threads more carefully you would know where the finale location is, it's right in front of your faces. :P
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: KingCrimson88 on December 12, 2010, 06:01:18 PM
Shh, it's a secret.

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 13, 2010, 08:43:41 AM
DO THING PROMO AS THING WITH COUNTRIES
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 13, 2010, 08:47:25 AM

If you have a question regarding the final city, it would be best to PM either GeorgiaPeach, TexasLady, or one of the TAR detectives.  :cmas16
The TAR detectives are those whose names are green.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: gl14 on December 13, 2010, 09:00:01 AM
I had been wondering why there doesn't seem to be any new countries yet for season 18 and after seeing the preview, with such an emphasis on "unfinished business", it's possible they're having the teams return to "the scene of the crime", go back to the countries where they stumbled in the first place.

Kynt and Vyxsin = India
Jaime and Cara, Kisha and Jen = China

However with this theory they should've returned to Cambodia for Zev and Justin, but I'm just thinking out loud anyway.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: KingCrimson88 on December 13, 2010, 09:44:09 AM
Shh, it's a secret.



If you have a question regarding the final city,

I don't, thanks. I'm not sure how you got that from my post at all.

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 13, 2010, 09:48:56 AM
Shh, it's a secret.



If you have a question regarding the final city,

I don't, thanks. I'm not sure how you got that from my post at all.



I shouldn't have used your post; my post was meant for everybody. Sorry!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 13, 2010, 10:04:16 AM
For the last 2 hours I have been researching all routes from GIG, GRU, EZE, SCL and LIM (the largest airports in South America) into Miami, Atlanta, Charlotte, Washington-Dulles and JFK. My conclusion was that it was impossible to get form Rio starting at midnight at reported in a Tweet to GRU in time to get either of these flights:

AA998 0110 0630
AA930 0205 0735

The latest connecting flight from Rio was:
G31631 GIG GRU 2230 0001+1

So, how is it possible to teams to be spotted at that hotel at midnight and get to Sao Paulo airport within one to two hours. Inquiring minds want to know. The most obvious explanation is that the timing of the Tweet was off  by a few hours.

Isn't it possible that FT/BE were doing a decoy run after being eliminated?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: mjriches2005 on December 13, 2010, 12:21:34 PM
I had been wondering why there doesn't seem to be any new countries yet for season 18 and after seeing the preview, with such an emphasis on "unfinished business", it's possible they're having the teams return to "the scene of the crime", go back to the countries where they stumbled in the first place.

Kynt and Vyxsin = India
Jaime and Cara, Kisha and Jen = China

However with this theory they should've returned to Cambodia for Zev and Justin, but I'm just thinking out loud anyway.

Maybe they did visit a couple new countries and there were no reports of it, like the Seychelles leg.  There are some gaps in between the sightings (Switzerland-??-Brazil) and (India??-??-Austria).
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: milanissimo on December 13, 2010, 01:59:15 PM
I guess the final leg  :xmas146 :xmas146 Miami!!!!!!!!
Recapping:
1)Australia
1,2)Australia
2)Japan
3)China
4)China
5)India
6)India
7)Austria
8)Switzerland
9)??????????
10)Brazil
11)Brazil
12)Miami

Right???
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: milanissimo on December 13, 2010, 02:01:19 PM
But We haven't sightings  of teams  :cmas4 :cmas4
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: TexasLady on December 13, 2010, 02:04:30 PM
But We haven't sightings  of teams  :cmas4 :cmas4

I don't think so, not yet anyway.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: TAR new fan on December 13, 2010, 07:56:26 PM
We can try to figure out some more destinations from this promo on youtube too! :cmas9 :cmas9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9ojqlhIF4g
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: AmazingRace on December 13, 2010, 08:02:44 PM
We can try to figure out some more destinations from this promo on youtube too! :cmas9 :cmas9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9ojqlhIF4g

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not the official Intro of TAR 18. It was just a mix of their old intros.  :cmas13
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: KevinTheAmazingRace on December 13, 2010, 08:03:48 PM
We can try to figure out some more destinations from this promo on youtube too! :cmas9 :cmas9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9ojqlhIF4g


This is fake...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: TAR new fan on December 13, 2010, 08:04:48 PM
We can try to figure out some more destinations from this promo on youtube too! :cmas9 :cmas9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9ojqlhIF4g

oh man, really?!! DARN IT!
I thought they did align though:
they do have Rio (confirmed), Japan (confirmed), China (confirmed).
They also added NYC, London, Egypt, and Paris.

I can tell the old contestant ones some of them are old, but the scenes are all new too? DARN IT! :cmas13 :cmas13
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: jiajia12 on December 13, 2010, 08:06:06 PM
U :cmas31:I posted back a while back..

Anyway I think they went to Delhi because it was on my game
and Sydney and Miami aswell
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: NumfarPTB on December 14, 2010, 02:24:11 AM
I had been wondering why there doesn't seem to be any new countries yet for season 18 and after seeing the preview, with such an emphasis on "unfinished business", it's possible they're having the teams return to "the scene of the crime", go back to the countries where they stumbled in the first place.

Kynt and Vyxsin = India
Jaime and Cara, Kisha and Jen = China

However with this theory they should've returned to Cambodia for Zev and Justin, but I'm just thinking out loud anyway.

The theory also breaks when the legs before end city are set in Brazil, only recent season to feature Brazil prominently was TAR13, and there are no TAR13 cast members in this.

Still trying to figure out where would they have headed in Sao Paulo in Leg 11 (according to timeline) was set here. Doubt they'd repeat the helicopter thing from TAR9. Traffic been chaotic, both on Sat and Sun, which is when I assume the leg was filmed.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 14, 2010, 02:39:26 AM
I just wondered if it was raining on Sunday night in SP.....trying to figure out why all the flights were delayed so much. I know Guarulhos seems to really slow down when it rains....I have been caught in it a couple of times.

I was sort of hoping that they would go to BH for the second leg.....
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: NumfarPTB on December 14, 2010, 04:12:59 AM
I can confirm huge rain around 11pm (Sun) till around 2am (Mon) in Sao Paulo, which is later than the departure time from the flight we think the teams boarded.

However, I think the flight delay might be more about how crowded GRU have been especially around this time of the year, rather than a weather issue.

At least Sao Paulo is used to these rainstorms, BH been hit the last few weeks with some big rainstorms, and the city is not as well adapted for them.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: woden on December 14, 2010, 11:03:53 AM
The Miami-Dade County film permit (http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/101209/filming.shtml) isn't all that helpful, but it does give us Marine Stadium Marina (http://www.miamigov.com/marinas/pages/marinas/stadiummarina.asp).

Funny, I think we tossed around Virginia Key the last time TAR was in Miami.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 14, 2010, 12:29:00 PM
The Miami-Dade County film permit (http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/101209/filming.shtml) isn't all that helpful, but it does give us Marine Stadium Marina (http://www.miamigov.com/marinas/pages/marinas/stadiummarina.asp).

Funny, I think we tossed around Virginia Key the last time TAR was in Miami.

Heh, King Crimson88 and I (and Survivor Sucks) found that link independently last week. It was old news to Peach though. She has ways of finding things out that I can't begin to comprehend.  :puter:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 14, 2010, 12:30:15 PM
The Miami-Dade County film permit (http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/101209/filming.shtml) isn't all that helpful, but it does give us Marine Stadium Marina (http://www.miamigov.com/marinas/pages/marinas/stadiummarina.asp).

Funny, I think we tossed around Virginia Key the last time TAR was in Miami.

Heh, King Crimson88 and I (and Survivor Sucks) found that link independently last week. It was old news to Peach though. She has ways of finding things out that I can't begin to comprehend.  :puter:

Her mysterious ways may have something to do with Slowhatch who found it several weeks ago.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: woden on December 14, 2010, 12:34:26 PM
The Miami-Dade County film permit (http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/101209/filming.shtml) isn't all that helpful, but it does give us Marine Stadium Marina (http://www.miamigov.com/marinas/pages/marinas/stadiummarina.asp).

Funny, I think we tossed around Virginia Key the last time TAR was in Miami.

Heh, King Crimson88 and I (and Survivor Sucks) found that link independently last week. It was old news to Peach though. She has ways of finding things out that I can't begin to comprehend.  :puter:

Her mysterious ways may have something to do with Slowhatch who found it several weeks ago.


I'm out of the loop apparently.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 14, 2010, 12:40:32 PM
The Miami-Dade County film permit (http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/101209/filming.shtml) isn't all that helpful, but it does give us Marine Stadium Marina (http://www.miamigov.com/marinas/pages/marinas/stadiummarina.asp).

Funny, I think we tossed around Virginia Key the last time TAR was in Miami.

Heh, King Crimson88 and I (and Survivor Sucks) found that link independently last week. It was old news to Peach though. She has ways of finding things out that I can't begin to comprehend.  :puter:

Her mysterious ways may have something to do with Slowhatch who found it several weeks ago.

That film permit had been online for a while before I found it. I didn't look for it until the rumors started pointing towards Miami as the final destination. I'm not surprised that one of the more proactive detectives found it well before me.

Other situations still leave me mystified as to how Peach (or the other detectives) find things out. They are amazing.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: apskip on December 14, 2010, 02:52:17 PM
The Miami-Dade County film permit (http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/101209/filming.shtml) isn't all that helpful, but it does give us Marine Stadium Marina (http://www.miamigov.com/marinas/pages/marinas/stadiummarina.asp).

Funny, I think we tossed around Virginia Key the last time TAR was in Miami.

My recollection is that the Final 3 in AR7 went first to the Rickenbacker Causeway to find the first cluebox in the Miami area. This was the one that sent them to Little Havana section of Miami to find The King of the Havanas. Rob/Amber lost the race by not being able to get its Spanish equivalent quickly like Uchenna/Joyce did.

woden has mentioned on another thread I believe that Jimbo's on Virginia Key is a likely spot to be part of the  AR18 finale. That's looking like a good bet to me.

From my first major research work for RFF for the starting line of AR11, I researched every key between Miami Beach and the mainland as well as Virginia Key and Key Biscayne. Virginia Key is maybe 2 miles by water from the south end of Miami Beach and just north of Key Biscayne.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 14, 2010, 03:56:40 PM
So one one gets confused.

The Rickenbacker Causeway is the only vehicular route to get to Virgina Key and Key Biscayne.  That was true when I was growing up in Miami, and its still true.

The cluebox in TAR 7 appears to have been along a narrow stretch of public beach along the southwest side once vehicles are over the bridge on Virginia Key. (IIRC).

If one continues down that road, you will pass the Marine Stadium and its marina on the northeast side of the road, then the Seaquarium on the other side, and then reach the campus of the University of Miami School of Marine and Atmospheric Sciences. Then another bridge onto Key Biscayne. Then there's a county park that covers the northern third of Key Biscayne, the settlement of Key Biscayne itself, then a state park that includes the southern thirs of Key Biscayne. There is a very picturesque historic lighthouse at the southern tip of Key Biscayne that would look great in HD.

The Marine Stadium and marina is oriented NW-SE lengthwise, but an appropriately placed camera position facing northwest would capture the "Brickell Avenue area and downtown Miami, both of which are skyscrapered.

In other words, if the reason for heading there was to show off the HD camera work, WRP has a lot to work with there. The only drawback would be the Marine Stadium itself, which, while it is secluded from wandering eyes from the roadway, it hasn't been used for marine events or concerts since Hurricane Andrew severely damaged that venue in 1992. So I'm not exactly sure what it could have been used for.

There are other islands in Biscayne Bay with interesting places that I could see being used, such as the manmade Fisher Island, full of condos highrises, and another island I can't remember the name of at the moment that was used as a base for the Goodyear Blimp. (I haven't checked but it may still be used in that way).

And of course the Port of Miami (itself a manmade island and not part of the mainland, and is used for both freight and passenger vessels.)  As far as Miami goes there's a lot there that wasn't used for TAR 3, TAR 7, or TAR 11. So i will be interested to see what did get used this time.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 15, 2010, 11:29:50 AM
Yes and thanks!

Salzburg is a definite leg...will qualify the dates for now as sometime after the 5th. Waiting for hopeful confirmation.

Not sure if this in addition to a Swiss leg, or INSTEAD of?? ???

That's the problem I was having too. Kisha and Jen were definitely on the train to the Zurich area. However they were not racing or filming and no other teams were seen in that area. Teams were definitely in Vienna on the 6th and in South America from approximately the 10th to the 12th. We have some filling in to do.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 15, 2010, 11:51:49 AM
  As far as Miami goes there's a lot there that wasn't used for TAR 3, TAR 7, or TAR 11. So i will be interested to see what did get used this time.

My best friend lived in Cutler Ridge in the 80s...a couple of miles from the Deering Estate. One time when I went to visit, he took me there to see it. When TAR11 started.....my first thought was......"Hey, I have been there!!!"

In looking at the wesite for the Deering Estate, the cost for a day of commerical filming is $2000. The finish line of TAR7, the Bonnett House in Ft Lauderdale is the same at $2k a day. I have wondered why TAR never used the other Deering brother's estate, Viscaya, in thier filming. I checked that website and it is listed at $25,000 a day. I dont know if that is true or a misprint on the site......but if true.......that explains why TAR has never used it......it would sure make a great finish line.

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: milanissimo on December 15, 2010, 01:12:49 PM
How many double legs???Australia(ultimately  it's a double leg) ,China,India,Austria,Brazil.... are you sure???
In  the other seasons there were a maximum of three double legs...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2010, 02:31:53 PM
Yes and thanks!

Salzburg is a definite leg...will qualify the dates for now as sometime after the 5th. Waiting for hopeful confirmation.

Not sure if this in addition to a Swiss leg, or INSTEAD of?? ???

That's the problem I was having too. Kisha and Jen were definitely on the train to the Zurich area. However they were not racing or filming and no other teams were seen in that area. Teams were definitely in Vienna on the 6th and in South America from approximately the 10th to the 12th. We have some filling in to do.

sorry guys...Salzburg is not a leg after all.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 15, 2010, 02:55:07 PM
Yes and thanks!

Salzburg is a definite leg...will qualify the dates for now as sometime after the 5th. Waiting for hopeful confirmation.

Not sure if this in addition to a Swiss leg, or INSTEAD of?? ???

That's the problem I was having too. Kisha and Jen were definitely on the train to the Zurich area. However they were not racing or filming and no other teams were seen in that area. Teams were definitely in Vienna on the 6th and in South America from approximately the 10th to the 12th. We have some filling in to do.

sorry guys...Salzburg is not a leg after all.
Too bad, after raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens, bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens, Salzburg is one of my favourite things.  :cmas23
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2010, 03:10:50 PM
The cameraguys were not filming but the cameras were out not covered by anything. Furthermore they carried the cameras using some kind of belt/rods contraption that looks like it allows the cameraman to run and film at the same time.

Them being on a Chur-Zurich train and them beeing seen in Austria yesterday points to a stopover in the Lichtenstein region.
I really wonder what tonights pit stop will be.

This info is correct. LIECHTENSTEIN (and onwards to Switzerland?)  is leg 9, following Vienna. .
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 15, 2010, 03:13:28 PM
The cameraguys were not filming but the cameras were out not covered by anything. Furthermore they carried the cameras using some kind of belt/rods contraption that looks like it allows the cameraman to run and film at the same time.

Them being on a Chur-Zurich train and them beeing seen in Austria yesterday points to a stopover in the Lichtenstein region.
I really wonder what tonights pit stop will be.

This info is correct. LIECHTENSTEIN (and onwards to Switzerland?)  is leg 9, following Vienna. .

We have an actual leg in Liechtenstein?

And I think that it would be after Switzerland. K/J were there on the 7th and FT/BE were in Vienna on the 6th.

I think this is the correct order:

1 Australia
2 Japan
3 China
4 China
5 India
6 India
7 Austria
8 Switzerland
9  Liechtenstein
10  ? ? ?
11 Brazil
12 Miami
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 15, 2010, 03:14:27 PM
The cameraguys were not filming but the cameras were out not covered by anything. Furthermore they carried the cameras using some kind of belt/rods contraption that looks like it allows the cameraman to run and film at the same time.

Them being on a Chur-Zurich train and them beeing seen in Austria yesterday points to a stopover in the Lichtenstein region.
I really wonder what tonights pit stop will be.

This info is correct. LIECHTENSTEIN (and onwards to Switzerland?)  is leg 9, following Vienna. .

We have an actual leg in Liechtenstein?

where that
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 15, 2010, 03:18:44 PM
The cameraguys were not filming but the cameras were out not covered by anything. Furthermore they carried the cameras using some kind of belt/rods contraption that looks like it allows the cameraman to run and film at the same time.

Them being on a Chur-Zurich train and them beeing seen in Austria yesterday points to a stopover in the Lichtenstein region.
I really wonder what tonights pit stop will be.

This info is correct. LIECHTENSTEIN (and onwards to Switzerland?)  is leg 9, following Vienna. .

We have an actual leg in Liechtenstein?

where that


a 62 square kilometre country between switzerland austria and germany. Known for its skiing and jewllery. Really small country

it good country that might me look up
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2010, 03:21:54 PM
The cameraguys were not filming but the cameras were out not covered by anything. Furthermore they carried the cameras using some kind of belt/rods contraption that looks like it allows the cameraman to run and film at the same time.

Them being on a Chur-Zurich train and them beeing seen in Austria yesterday points to a stopover in the Lichtenstein region.
I really wonder what tonights pit stop will be.

This info is correct. LIECHTENSTEIN (and onwards to Switzerland?)  is leg 9, following Vienna. .

We have an actual leg in Liechtenstein?

And I think that it would be after Switzerland. K/J were there on the 7th and FT/BE were in Vienna on the 6th.

I think this is the correct order:

1 Australia
2 Japan
3 China
4 China
5 India
6 India
7 Austria
8 Switzerland
9  Liechtenstein
10  ? ? ?
11 Brazil
12 Miami

No.

As I stated, Leg 9 follows our Vienna leg 8. (http://planetsmilies.net/angel-smiley-5097.gif)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on December 15, 2010, 03:28:36 PM
I think what Peach is trying to say is the leg was

Austria-Liechtenstein-Switzerland. Hard to imagine them doing an entire leg in a country that small.

And that a country is missing between India and Austria. Middle East anyone?

i smelll a tbc
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2010, 03:37:14 PM
I think what Peach is trying to say is the leg was

Austria-Liechtenstein-Switzerland. Hard to imagine them doing an entire leg in a country that small.

And that a country is missing between India and Austria. Middle East anyone?

No country is missing between our two India legs and Austria.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Heliox on December 15, 2010, 03:41:01 PM
... oh as I was posting I see Peach indicates there is no leg between India and Austria.
Hmm, I am not a fan of doing Europe tasks near the end of the race. For me I would much rather see the challenges of Asia or Africa, but they are throwing in SAmerica for near the end.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 15, 2010, 03:56:59 PM
So I'm still confused as to why Kisha and Jen were in Switzerland at 2pm on the 7th but I guess it will all come out in the end.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 15, 2010, 04:06:22 PM
If you are going to count Australia as only one leg.....then the Miami final should be the last leg at 11....not 12

I need to get a calendar and start counting up Sundays....
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 15, 2010, 04:37:03 PM
If I'm reading this thread correctly, I think we're being given hints that there is a leg somewhere between China and India, as in:
1 Australia
2 Japan
3 China
4 China
5
6 India
7 India
8 Austria
9 Liechtenstein/Switzerland
10
11 Brazil
12 Miami
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 15, 2010, 05:05:03 PM
There are 12 Sundays between Feb 20th and May 8, 2110.....Mothers Day....lately the day of the TAR Finale.
But CBS always pre-empts one of those Sundays for that country music awards show....so that leaves up 11 Sundays to watch TAR.....if the Australia legs are done as a 2 hour premier.....then there is only going to be 10 more legs/episodes left.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Mug Costanza on December 15, 2010, 05:07:25 PM
There are 12 Sundays between Feb 20th and May 8, 2110.....Mothers Day....lately the day of the TAR Finale.
But CBS always pre-empts one of those Sundays for that country music awards show....so that leaves up 11 Sundays to watch TAR.....if the Australia legs are done as a 2 hour premier.....then there is only going to be 10 more legs/episodes left.

On the other hand, the TAR16 Mother's Day finale took in abysmal ratings. I would think CBS would want to avoid something like this again and have the finale air the week after Mother's Day? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Caelestor on December 15, 2010, 05:07:35 PM
Here's my take. Even if the Kolkatta leg is on the 1st, a leg in Laos is REALLY pushing it. We could very well have a two-hour premier and two-hour finale.

Sydney, Australia
Broken Hill, Australia
Tokyo, Japan
Lijiang, China
Kunming, China
Kolkata, India
Leg 7 (assuming India, but I still doubt they'd fly to another destination when they could've taken the train down the coast)
Vienna, Austria
Liechtenstein
Zurich, Switzerland (looks to me Kisha/Jen may be running decoy tho)
Rio de Janiero, Brazil
Sao Paulo, Brazil
Miami, Florida
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 15, 2010, 05:14:38 PM
I was thinking about a 2 hour finale too.......as far as Mother's Day ratings.....the last two spring finales have been on Mothers Day. If you move it to May 15....then Survivor's finale gets moved too.....and it is a 3 hour show.

I will let mswoden or theschnauzers address the issue of the Mother's Day ratings.......they are the experts on that.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2010, 05:16:24 PM
Australia is 2 episodes I believe, and there should be 12 legs.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Cocoa on December 15, 2010, 05:17:51 PM
So 13 episodes all-in-all (assuming no more TBCs after Oz)? ???
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 15, 2010, 05:30:39 PM
So 13 episodes all-in-all (assuming no more TBCs after Oz)? ???

Welcome back Cocoa.

We have 11 teams and there will be 8 eliminations and the final. There are usually 3 NEL which makes 12 episodes. A TBC counts as an NEL as far as I know so the first episode would count as an NEL. There will then be remaining the final, 8 eliminations, and 2 more NEL's. I see that as being 12 total episodes.
The only way to make 13 is another NEL, have there ever been 4?

Yes there was in TAR 11, there were 8 EL 4 NEL and the final but only 12 episodes b/c they aired 2 on the same night.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 15, 2010, 05:32:37 PM
Australia is 2 episodes I believe, and there should be 12 legs.

So Peach.....are you meaning something like this:
1 Sydney
2 Broken Hill
3 Japan
4 Lijiang
5 Kunming
6 Kolkata
7 India II
8 Vienna
9 Lichtenstein/Switzerland
10 Rio
11 Sao Paulo
12 Miami
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Caelestor on December 15, 2010, 05:34:08 PM
So 13 episodes all-in-all (assuming no more TBCs after Oz)? ???

Welcome back Cocoa.

We have 11 teams and there will be 8 eliminations and the final. There are usually 3 NEL which makes 12 episodes. A TBC counts as an NEL as far as I know so the first episode would count as an NEL. There will then be remaining the final, 8 eliminations, and 2 more NEL's. I see that as being 12 total episodes.
The only way to make 13 is another NEL, have there ever been 4 ?

Pretty much every race pre-TAR 11 has had 4 NELs. It looks likely that there may be a 13th leg thrown in here (I count TBCs as 2 for consistency); I mean, why else would the producers film a 24-day race?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 15, 2010, 05:37:44 PM

Pretty much every race pre-TAR 11 has had 4 NELs. It looks likely that there may be a 13th leg thrown in here (I count TBCs as 2 for consistency); I mean, why else would the producers film a 24-day race?

That's b/c they stopped doing TBC's as much. (TAR6 thru TAR10 all had TBC's) Still, there are always 12 episodes.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2010, 06:12:28 PM
Australia is 2 episodes I believe, and there should be 12 legs.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 15, 2010, 08:36:56 PM
Just remember that with a TBC, there can be more episodes than legs.

Thus, if I'm reading Peach right, it's 13 episodes, 12 legs.

There is no certainty yet that the CMA thing is going to pre-empt TAR this spring. After all they used to have the Victoria's Secret thingy pre-empting TAR, and they they moved both TAR and that to different nights.

As to Sundays in May, there are five Sundays in 2011, right? The last Sunday is Memorial Day weekend, so May ratings sweep period will end before then. CBS will be wanting to give TAR, Undercover Boss and Survivor separate finale Sundays, if possible. Depending on whether CBS has a special that they plan to air on the 22nd, the TAR finale would be either the 8th or the 15th. The NCAA tournament format is changing this year (2011) and I believe the deal with CBS has been modified because the early rounds of the NCAA tournament will be working a little differently.
The only way at the moment to get a better guess is to pin down the number of episodes (I agree that given the format since TAR 14 it's 12 legs) we just have to see whether the TBC leg boosts the episode order up to 13.
Given how CBS promoted the heck out of Survivor's HD switch, I would think they're going to be using both the format ("Unfinished Business") and the conversion to HD for promotion the entire season.  And I'm betting we'll be seeing some glorious looking locales in every episode.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2010, 08:47:45 PM
12 legs/episodes. TWELVE.

Not 13. Not 11. TWELVE.



 :cmas20
 :cmas20 :cmas20
 :cmas20 :cmas20 :cmas20
 :cmas20 :cmas20 :cmas20 :cmas20
 :cmas26 :cmas26
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: alextofu07 on December 16, 2010, 08:13:33 AM
why someone said Liechtenstein is one of the leg?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 16, 2010, 08:28:36 AM
Tweet response:

only saw jet/cord @ the Delhi airport in the intl terminal's food court around midnight 12/5
about 19 hours ago via web

This helps explain what they were doing on the 4th. Probably another India leg and then flying out from Delhi. Since they were standing around in the food court it was probably a while until their flight left.
I would go with OS 34 et al (Austrian Air, Air India, and Lufthansa codeshare it) as it leaves at 2:32am

Also Vienna is 4 1/2 hours behind so it gives plenty of time for FT/BE to be spotted in Vienna.

Here is a very helpful map of the Delhi airport that shows where they were. The food court is on the second level and there is internet access there if the teams needed that.
http://www.newdelhiairport.in/T3-interactivemap.html
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 16, 2010, 04:04:34 PM
From the live sightings thread.......

From this blog:
http://swamplandinflorida.blogspot.com/2010/12/can-blog-on-iphone-there-ap-for-that.html

Apparently 7 mile bridge was closed on Monday for filming the Amazing Race.
Not sure - but I think its a 7 mile bridge just outside of Marathon Fl that has been replaced by a new bridge.
The old bridge is used for walking now.

Marathon and the old 7 mile bridge is a 2.5 hour drive from Miami International and distance of about 115 miles. From there it is another ~50 miles to Key West and about a one hour drive.

A couple of potential finish line locations, if TPTB hold to form.......

John James Auduban estate...
http://www.audubonhouse.com/aboutah.htm

Ernst Hemingway Home and Museum
http://www.hemingwayhome.com/HTML/our_cats.htm

Key West is also home to Harry Truman's Little White House on the old US Navy base.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Snooky on December 16, 2010, 06:53:38 PM
But the filming permit was for county-wide so I still think that there will be a good amount of filming in Miami-Dade county???  :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on December 16, 2010, 07:01:59 PM
Quote
But the filming permit was for county-wide so I still think that there will be a good amount of filming in Miami-Dade county
It's a catch-all phrase since production (except for the Miami team shoots) is on the move. Translation="and maybe various other places."
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 16, 2010, 07:14:31 PM
Well 7 Mile Bridge is in Monroe County........so they probably had to have a filming permit there too...can it be found?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Snooky on December 16, 2010, 07:27:38 PM
Well 7 Mile Bridge is in Monroe County........so they probably had to have a filming permit there too...can it be found?
That's what I meant, but I can't find one.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 16, 2010, 07:36:42 PM
Here's a site that gives some guidelines for filming in the Keys. http://www.filmkeys.com/permit.cfm

It looks like they would need to contact Monroe County, FLDOT, the sheriff, and the Florida Keys Film Commission. Surely all that would leave a paper trail.

I have to admit that I tend to doubt this sighting b/c it is so far away....
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 16, 2010, 07:44:29 PM
Far away from what?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 16, 2010, 07:47:32 PM
Far away from what?

Miami airport and the county we know they have a permit for. Also Marine Stadium Marina on Key Biscayne Virginia Key which is specifically listed with the permit. Although, that location may be a smoke screen.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 16, 2010, 08:04:06 PM
Doc...I'm not sure about the Ernest Hemingway Home and Museum because of all the cats!  :cmaslol

The Audubon House looks good though, it is on an acre of gardens.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on December 16, 2010, 09:56:06 PM
FWIW, there are businesses and residences all along the Florida Keys, from Key Largo down to Key West. That wasn't the case so much after Hurricane Donna wiped out the middle Keys in 1960, but over time all of the keys have been developed. Virtually all of the mainland part of Monroe County is the Everglades National Park, or other federally protected land, so all of the population are on the islands of the Keys.
I think it would be difficult for filming to take place anywhere along there (before or after the Seven Mile Bridge) without residents seeing it, and this time of year, the snowbirds have already begun to arrive. They're usually arriving in Florida just after Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: florida on December 16, 2010, 10:25:40 PM
I can't help but thinking that if they went all the way down to Key West, someone would have at least seen them. It's compact down there, as opposed to other parts of the Keys.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: alextofu07 on December 16, 2010, 11:28:39 PM
i don't believe there will be two legs for India & Brazil
because Australia is double-leg and China has 2 legs already
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2010, 11:38:48 PM
You are correct...India has two legs but Brazil only one.  :xmas49
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Mug Costanza on December 16, 2010, 11:45:29 PM
So forgive me if I'm reading into this wrong, but are you saying there's another country between Switzerland and Brazil?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 17, 2010, 07:32:23 AM
I have been waiting for this for a LONG time!

Quote
And my vote, just because I loved it so, is for Varanasi, aka Benares. This is an incredibly visual city, and one of the most overwheming culturally. It is the most holy city, Hindus believe if you die here, you no longer go through reincarnation.

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17791.msg372662.html#msg372662
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 17, 2010, 07:34:58 AM
This is a spoiler thread, please take speculation to the spec thread?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 18, 2010, 05:02:51 PM
Find this, and you have our episode 10 location!

(http://i55.[banned image hosting site].com/29zspxy.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 18, 2010, 05:38:07 PM
You've made your own game Peach!  :cmas20

What on earth kind of picture is that anyway? It looks like a landscape pic that has been wrapped somehow.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: florida on December 18, 2010, 06:28:23 PM
Absolutely 100% going out on a limb with a random guess (and ready to be proven wrong  :cmaslol )....Scotland?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 18, 2010, 06:34:44 PM
Because of where they were and the weather conditions I would go with eastern France, southern Germany, or northern Italy.
I also wouldn't rule out the UK area.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on December 18, 2010, 06:54:07 PM
Hints:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 18, 2010, 06:55:39 PM
That's the Matterhorn. And that's St Mauritius church:

(http://cache.virtualtourist.com/3656429-St_Mauritius_Church-Zermatt.jpg)

Thanks for the clue, that's what I needed.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 18, 2010, 06:59:21 PM
Zermatt, Switzerland. What do I win? :lol:


I look forward to hearing how you proved that this is ep10.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 18, 2010, 07:35:04 PM
Actually, I think we have to say Slowhatch wins this prize!!  :congrats:

A free subscription to the RFF spoiler newsletter. :lol3:

But first runner up gets......






Their very own....
















Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 18, 2010, 07:48:28 PM
A dog!! A dog!! I've always wanted a dog!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 18, 2010, 08:32:32 PM
I think this is right?

TAR 18 Route:

EP 1 = Sydney (and Manly), Australia

EP 2 = Broken Hill "The Outback" Australia

EP 3 = Tokyo, Japan

EP 4 = Lijiang, China

EP 5 = Kunming, China

EP 6 = Kolkata, India

EP 7 = Varanasi, India

EP 8 = Vienna, Austria

EP 9 = Liechtenstein & Zermatt, Switzerland

EP 10 = Zermatt, Switzerland

EP 11 = Rio de Janierio, Brazil

EP 12 = Miami, Florida to the Florida Keys
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: The Queen V on December 18, 2010, 08:46:31 PM
I think this is right?

TAR 18 Route:

EP 1 = Sydney (and Manly), Australia

EP 2 = Broken Hill "The Outback" Australia

EP 3 = Tokyo, Japan

EP 4 = Lijiang, China

EP 5 = Kunming, China

EP 6 = Kolkata, India

EP 7 = Varanasi, India

EP 8 = Vienna, Austria

EP 9 = Lichtenstein & Zermatt, Switzerland

EP 10 = Zermatt, Switzerland

EP 11 = Rio de Janierio, Brazil

EP 12 = Miami, Florida to the Florida Keys

It's sad that this season almost follows tara for having double legs in almost each country. where's the variation?  :cmas4
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on December 18, 2010, 08:49:49 PM
I think this is right?

TAR 18 Route:

EP 1 = Sydney (and Manly), Australia

EP 2 = Broken Hill "The Outback" Australia

EP 3 = Tokyo, Japan

EP 4 = Lijiang, China

EP 5 = Kunming, China

EP 6 = Kolkata, India

EP 7 = Varanasi, India

EP 8 = Vienna, Austria

EP 9 = Lichtenstein & Zermatt, Switzerland

EP 10 = Zermatt, Switzerland

EP 11 = Rio de Janierio, Brazil

EP 12 = Miami, Florida to the Florida Keys

It's sad that this season almost follows tara for having double legs in almost each country. where's the variation?  :cmas4


yep except for Brazil, Austria, and Japan  :cmas4
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: florida on December 18, 2010, 09:03:44 PM
and they only visit one new country, the lowest ever and consdiering they country is 62km square (about 2/3 the size of Manatthan) I am really disappinted at the route.

And is there only 2 non elimination legs this season?

Maybe I'm biased but I love it when they come to my state ;) It'll still be nice to see these places in HD.

There should be a third NEL in there somewhere, most likely between Legs 7 & 10 since Leg 11 (Brazil) will be the last elimination.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 18, 2010, 09:04:10 PM
I am actually pretty pleased with this...

Look at all the NEW places we get?

The Outback
Lijiang and Kunming
Varanasi :yess:
Zermatt
Liechtenstein


Even Vienna was TAR 4 and Kolkata TAR 5 so not like we were just there. I think it is pretty good when 6 of 12 legs feature a new location. I am not worried about new countries, but I do love NEW places!

And more importantly, I think the visuals will be stunning!

:hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: The Queen V on December 18, 2010, 09:13:35 PM
i would have loved seeing more exotic countries in hd too.

there's still season 19 anyway!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: milanissimo on December 19, 2010, 06:40:59 AM
Zermatt :cmas51 :cmas51
It's only 125 km from Milan  :cmas4 :cmas4
and only 43 km from Aosta
If I only had know...
They could come here  :cmas4 :cmas4
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: milanissimo on December 19, 2010, 07:05:51 AM
Zermatt is on the Italian border any chance they crossed over? Apprently no roads connect Zermatt with Zurich. Turin is slightly closer then Zurich is to  Zermatt.

and when was Varanasi confirmed?

I think they flew to Brazil  through  Turin or Geneva , but Zurich and Milan airports are bigger so..
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on December 19, 2010, 08:55:06 AM
On Dec 10-11........Rio (GIG) only received flights from these European gateways.....Frankfurt, Lisbon, Madrid, Paris.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Laimis on December 19, 2010, 09:18:13 AM
I think this is right?

TAR 18 Route:

EP 1 = Sydney (and Manly), Australia

EP 2 = Broken Hill "The Outback" Australia

EP 3 = Tokyo, Japan

EP 4 = Lijiang, China

EP 5 = Kunming, China

EP 6 = Kolkata, India

EP 7 = Varanasi, India

EP 8 = Vienna, Austria

EP 9 = Liechtenstein & Zermatt, Switzerland

EP 10 = Zermatt, Switzerland

EP 11 = Rio de Janierio, Brazil

EP 12 = Miami, Florida to the Florida Keys


I thought that Broken Hill leg is a tbc in episode 1 not the second one
Well, just one new country - Liechtenstein  :cmas13
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 19, 2010, 01:31:26 PM
Oh FFS, I straight away said the Matterhorn yesterday when I saw that mountain to the right of the church, didn't fit the bill, so declined....I am dying right now, I cracked it as soon as you posted it, but the mountain didn't fit, the church did in Zermatt though, but I thought I musn't be right!!!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: chill_sd on December 19, 2010, 01:35:32 PM
I am actually pretty pleased with this...

Look at all the NEW places we get?

The Outback
Lijiang and Kunming
Varanasi :yess:
Zermatt
Liechtenstein


Even Vienna was TAR 4 and Kolkata TAR 5 so not like we were just there. I think it is pretty good when 6 of 12 legs feature a new location. I am not worried about new countries, but I do love NEW places!

And more importantly, I think the visuals will be stunning!

:hearts:

TAR 2 went to Coober Pedy, which is also in The Outback.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 19, 2010, 01:52:28 PM
Oh how could I forget that?

Locations are all important to me...and while having a full 1/4 of the race in Europe doesn't thrill me, I am eager to see how they make this work in such a busy tourist time.

But the new China locations and Varanasi make up for a lot...at least I HOPE they will!

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: milanissimo on December 19, 2010, 02:42:49 PM
Zermatt is a bit isolated...but a sort of heaven for skiers(I visited it when I was a child .but I don't remember well  :cmas22..) ....but there are some good connections especially to Milan and Geneva by train..

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Caelestor on December 19, 2010, 03:30:02 PM
I like Europe! Switzerland and Lichtenstein are always good.
What's more annoying is no Africa. My favorite races have been the ones w/ the 4 traditional continents: Europe, Africa, and Asia.

The only destination that makes no sense to me is Japan. Seems really out of the way...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 19, 2010, 03:33:26 PM
I like Europe! Switzerland and Lichtenstein are always good.
What's more annoying is no Africa. My favorite races have been the ones w/ the 4 traditional continents: Europe, Africa, and Asia.

The only destination that makes no sense to me is Japan. Seems really out of the way...

Well, they went to Africa in TAR 17 and they don't usually travel there twice on a row.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 19, 2010, 03:34:04 PM
I'd have liked

North America
Australasia (2 legs)
Asia (3 legs)
Africa (2 legs)
Europe (3 legs)
South America (Rio Leg)
North America
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 19, 2010, 03:35:15 PM
I'd have liked

North America
Australasia (2 legs)
Asia (3 legs)
Africa (2 legs)
Europe (3 legs)
South America (Rio Leg)
North America

It would be nice to see them touch every inhabitable continent at least once. :)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Caelestor on December 19, 2010, 03:52:11 PM
I like Europe! Switzerland and Lichtenstein are always good.
What's more annoying is no Africa. My favorite races have been the ones w/ the 4 traditional continents: Europe, Africa, and Asia.

The only destination that makes no sense to me is Japan. Seems really out of the way...

Well, they went to Africa in TAR 17 and they don't usually travel there twice on a row.

Not really.

TAR 1-3
TAR 5-7
TAR 10-12
TAR 16-17
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 19, 2010, 04:06:33 PM
I like Europe! Switzerland and Lichtenstein are always good.
What's more annoying is no Africa. My favorite races have been the ones w/ the 4 traditional continents: Europe, Africa, and Asia.

The only destination that makes no sense to me is Japan. Seems really out of the way...

Well, they went to Africa in TAR 17 and they don't usually travel there twice on a row.

Not really.

TAR 1-3
TAR 5-7
TAR 10-12
TAR 16-17

I forgot about Madagascar in TAR 10 and the Seychelles in TAR 16! Those are tricky!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: scARCYty on December 20, 2010, 12:44:59 AM
I'd have liked

North America
Australasia (2 legs)
Asia (3 legs)
Africa (2 legs)
Europe (3 legs)
South America (Rio Leg)
North America

It would be nice to see them touch every inhabitable continent at least once. :)

they did that in the fifth season. they started in NA, travelled for a long time in SA (Argentina and Uruguay to be exact), made their way to Russia (St. Petersburg!), flew to Africa and visited gorgeous Egypt and Tanzania, made a leap to Asia via UAE and India, then flew tragically down south to New Zealand, Oceania, and made a good return north to the Philippines, and then made their way to Canada and their end city in Texas. Woah!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: gl14 on December 20, 2010, 11:16:38 AM
I think this is right?

TAR 18 Route:

EP 1 = Sydney (and Manly), Australia
EP 2 = Broken Hill "The Outback" Australia
EP 3 = Tokyo, Japan
EP 4 = Lijiang, China
EP 5 = Kunming, China
EP 6 = Kolkata, India
EP 7 = Varanasi, India
EP 8 = Vienna, Austria
EP 9 = Liechtenstein & Zermatt, Switzerland
EP 10 = Zermatt, Switzerland
EP 11 = Rio de Janierio, Brazil
EP 12 = Miami, Florida to the Florida Keys

I find it incredible the number of reeeeeally long flights: Sydney to Tokyo/India to Austria/Switzerland to Brazil...talk about downtime.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 20, 2010, 12:46:58 PM
To think of it the Allstars version also visited every continent

North America- USA
South America- Ecuador, Chile, Argentina
Africa- Tanzania, Mozambique
Europe- Poland
Asia-Malaysia, Hong Kong, Macau
Oceania-Guam

Not Australia.
I see what you mean though, there are different ways of defining the continents. I just looked up the continent of Australia on Wikipedia and it lists the highest point on the "continent" as being in Indonesia. I consider Indonesia and Guam part of Asia but obviously some do not. I also found that different parts of the world teach the continents differently so there is probably no right way.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on December 20, 2010, 12:57:18 PM
And still....not Antarctica!  :funny:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 20, 2010, 01:00:00 PM
And still....not Antarctica!  :funny:

It would probably be to difficult to transport the teams in and out of Antarctica in the one or two day time frame the Race likes. 
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on December 20, 2010, 02:34:37 PM
And still....not Antarctica!  :funny:

They could go back and do a cruise to Antarctica, (2 days) and a leg (a day) there. Then charter planes would fly them out to their next destination likely South Africa.

Problems: Cost and time consuming.

What would they do in Antarctica?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 20, 2010, 04:31:29 PM
And still....not Antarctica!  :funny:

They could go back and do a cruise to Antarctica, (2 days) and a leg (a day) there. Then charter planes would fly them out to their next destination likely South Africa.

Problems: Cost and time consuming.

What would they do in Antarctica?


Count penguins (or do something involving penguins, seals or other wildlife), climb an icy cliff, cross country ski, ride a snowmobile or snowcat and take an ozone measurement are just a few ideas. There are also a number of places with old shacks and what not left over from past expeditions. If they went inland, there are mountains and volcanoes that could be partially hiked.
 
Afterward, they could give back to the Antarctic by staying over a day and rebuilding an ice shelf.  :cmas22

Or they could just collect old rubbish and cart it out.

Realistically though, it's probably just too expensive to do.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on January 02, 2011, 06:47:55 PM
I like Europe! Switzerland and Lichtenstein are always good.
What's more annoying is no Africa. My favorite races have been the ones w/ the 4 traditional continents: Europe, Africa, and Asia.

The only destination that makes no sense to me is Japan. Seems really out of the way...

Well, they went to Africa in TAR 17 and they don't usually travel there twice on a row.

Not really.

TAR 1-3
TAR 5-7
TAR 10-12
TAR 16-17

I forgot about Madagascar in TAR 10 and the Seychelles in TAR 16! Those are tricky!

Didn't Season 15 visit Africa when they went to Dubai?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: AmazingRace on January 02, 2011, 06:50:20 PM
Didn't Season 15 visit Africa when they went to Dubai?

UAE is still Asia I believe.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on January 02, 2011, 06:52:01 PM
Didn't Season 15 visit Africa when they went to Dubai?

UAE is still Asia I believe.

I thought it was in Africa.... oh well.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on January 03, 2011, 06:00:25 AM
Didn't Season 15 visit Africa when they went to Dubai?

UAE is still Asia I believe.

I thought it was in Africa.... oh well.

LOL!! Sorry but this is just too funny. :lol3:


Look Dubai is close to Africa.  :neener:

The  World government should decide already!! :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: BayBay on January 03, 2011, 06:35:43 AM
Interesting picture of production in Sydney a friend sent me. Trying to figure out what all the stuff in the picture are!!!

Some things I have picked up are:
 - The water bottle packets say 'Tall Ship Water' which confirms (or pretty much confirms) that the Tall Ship was involved in the filming of Leg 1A
- Cabling shown in this and other photos I have indicate that production may have been there since the morning?

(http://i55.[banned image hosting site].com/2py477s.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: AmazingRace on January 03, 2011, 07:00:53 AM
Interesting picture of production in Sydney a friend sent me. Trying to figure out what all the stuff in the picture are!!!

Some things I have picked up are:
 - The water bottle packets say 'Tall Ship Water' which confirms (or pretty much confirms) that the Tall Ship was involved in the filming of Leg 1A
- Cabling shown in this and other photos I have indicate that production may have been there since the morning?

Thanks for sharing this picture! Nice camera equipments(I think) on the table.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on January 03, 2011, 07:15:11 AM
Interesting picture. If I'm not mistaken, those red and silver bowls on the ground are the compass roses that the teams had to carry on the first leg. I'd guess that is camera equipment on the table (or maybe battery packs). I'd also guess those are racer backpacks on the left side judging by the red and yellow tags. The bag in the foreground is interesting. I thought it says "Bookworks", but after looking more, I think it's "Woolworth", which I believe is still active in Australia (closed in the US). Anybody in Australia recognize that store logo?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Coutzy on January 03, 2011, 07:31:22 AM
Interesting picture. If I'm not mistaken, those red and silver bowls on the ground are the compass roses that the teams had to carry on the first leg. I'd guess that is camera equipment on the table (or maybe battery packs). I'd also guess those are racer backpacks on the left side judging by the red and yellow tags. The bag in the foreground is interesting. I thought it says "Bookworks", but after looking more, I think it's "Woolworth", which I believe is still active in Australia (closed in the US). Anybody in Australia recognize that store logo?

Woolworths is the largest company in Australia. Its a supermarket chain, and they are in no danger of going under- They have more people on staff than every government job in the country, combined.

The fact that they have a Woolies bag is non-consequential imo. It is more likely production and/or racers stopped off to get something to eat and paid the extra dollar at the register for a canvas bag.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: David on January 03, 2011, 08:39:55 AM
UAE is Asia for sure. The entire Arabian Peninsula is Asia.

Clarifying things above, sorry.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 03, 2011, 09:16:05 AM
Kandance.........."continents" are defined by the Plate Tectonics Theory. If you google that, I am sure you will find many resources to explain. The boundry between Aisa and Arica is the Red Sea Rift.....which includes the Gulf of Aden.

This is also why Indonesia is considered part of the Australian plate in a physical geography sense. As far as cultural geography...then Indonesia is much more part of Asia than Australia.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 03, 2011, 07:57:51 PM
Getting back to BayBay's photo for a moment.  I think the duffle bags are for the camera/sound crews, and not the Racers.  They all look too similar, and notwithstanding the yellow and red stripe, which I think points towards those bags belonging to the crews even more strongly than to the Racers, who tend to get different colors and styles.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 03, 2011, 08:04:40 PM
Getting back to BayBay's photo for a moment.  I think the duffle bags are for the camera/sound crews, and not the Racers.  They all look too similar, and notwithstanding the yellow and red stripe, which I think points towards those bags belonging to the crews even more strongly than to the Racers, who tend to get different colors and styles.

Yes, the whole scene seems to have to do with production, such as those black things on the table.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 03, 2011, 09:15:37 PM
Love this BayBay!!

Those blue tags are def production..... compare to these TAR 17 ones from Logan.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: LoveRocked on January 03, 2011, 10:38:55 PM
Lovely pics! Baybay!!

look likely games confirm? if i was right? I don't know.

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: BayBay on January 04, 2011, 12:34:02 AM
Since you guys liked them so much, here are the other two!!  :neener:

(http://i52.[banned image hosting site].com/20avrbm.jpg)

(http://i52.[banned image hosting site].com/33m4f2r.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: kinibug on January 04, 2011, 01:42:01 AM
Since you guys liked them so much, here are the other two!!  :neener:

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Thanks BayBay!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on January 04, 2011, 06:14:45 AM
Thanks! Good Job!!  :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 04, 2011, 06:39:22 PM
Great job, BayBay!  :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 04, 2011, 07:59:40 PM
Since you guys liked them so much, here are the other two!!  :neener:


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Where is this taken please? And who is the other backpack team in the white circle? ???

Here is a lightened up one of the first pic...do we see anyone else?

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Sydney/TAR18SydneyteamsbyBayBaylightened.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 04, 2011, 08:41:59 PM
By FT/BE clothes they are in Sydney, unless that's all they ever wear.

That may not be a team, couldn't match the backpacks. It's definitely not K/V J/C R/C G/M A/K maybe the sisters?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 04, 2011, 08:44:36 PM
I know it is Sydney :lol:, but where exactly?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: BayBay on January 05, 2011, 05:09:40 AM
Hey sorry this is near the anchor where they signed up for REX flights. Taken at around 5:30pm?? on Nov 22nd.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on January 05, 2011, 01:44:03 PM
The team in the white circle looks to be Ron and Christina.

I see a phone, so unless they are borrowing it, it could be innocent bystanders
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Zack. on January 06, 2011, 10:28:32 AM
I think the white-circled team is Jet/Cord? If not that, then the person on the left might just be a camera operator given the large black thing on his shoulders.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: TarJunkie999 on January 06, 2011, 12:49:35 PM
The Globetrotters (red circle) are on Manly Wharf near the Bavarian Bier Cafe and the Kayak Centre in spoiler photos.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 06, 2011, 12:57:43 PM
I think the white-circled team is Jet/Cord? If not that, then the person on the left might just be a camera operator given the large black thing on his shoulders.

It's not Jet and Cord, they always wear jeans.

The one on the left could be a cameraman and may not be with the one on the right, their backpacks are quite different. The cameraman's pack is smaller, like the kind production use instead of the "camping" kind racers carry and the person on the right has.

I think the two in that team are both wearing black pants, the team member on the right is behind FT and that sound guy.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 06, 2011, 01:11:08 PM
Here is a process of elimination

K/V
???
Ja/Ca
no, green backpack
Je/Co
jeans
R/C
Chris is wearing shorts w/ red pack
G/M
gray and red packs
A/K
shorts, red packs
Z/J
shorts
M/M
tan pants
FT/BE
obviously not
K/J
shorts and black packs
M/L
???

As you can see it is either Margie and Luke or Kynt and Vyxsin or somebody changed.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 06, 2011, 02:12:55 PM
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23692.0;attach=170856;image)

Here is Jet/Cord from Coutzy, earlier in the day in Sydney.....

Here is the white circle pic from BayBay

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If you look to Flight Time's left and over the shoulder of the tourist in the blue T-Shirt....there appears to be Cord's cowboy hat.....going down, in the crook of the tourist's arm......a dark shirt.......going down farther to the ground......jeans and boots.....not tennis shoes......

The two people to our left, of Flight Time, could be the soundman/cameraman crew...but they appear to have a lot more gear on their backs in the second pic from BayBay, than in the first pic from Coutzy.


Or I just could be imagining things.......
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 06, 2011, 02:58:33 PM
I can see the racer indicated by the red arrow being Cord but the one under the green arrow is not Jet. I agree that it is not a crew member either b/c of the backpack.
Perhaps it is Luke, I can't find a good pic of him from Sydney, anyone know what his pack looks like?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: TarJunkie999 on January 06, 2011, 03:04:00 PM
 :lol:  Oh look, it's the Bavarian Bier Cafe on Manly Wharf.   :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: TarJunkie999 on January 06, 2011, 04:08:30 PM
 :lol:  All spoiler photos were taken very near each other.  Running racers are across the street from the Manly Wharf.  Note same traffic signal and awning-like decorations.   :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 06, 2011, 04:33:00 PM
I can see the racer indicated by the red arrow being Cord but the one under the green arrow is not Jet. I agree that it is not a crew member either b/c of the backpack.
Perhaps it is Luke, I can't find a good pic of him from Sydney, anyone know what his pack looks like?

The green arrow probably points to Jet/Cord's cameraman.......check out the slacks, of the cameraman and soundman,  in Coutzy's photo I posted. Then compare them to the slacks of those two guys in BayBay's photo.

That park is a "rally point." They are waiting for all the teams and crews to arrive to go to their hotel. I assume that the cameraman and soundman have picked up their backpacks from the production assistants/roadies that take care of moving them from city to city.

If Jet is there, he is probably completely hidden by Flight Time, ie, Jet is between the cameraman and Cord.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 06, 2011, 05:26:37 PM
Interesting picture of production in Sydney a friend sent me. Trying to figure out what all the stuff in the picture are!!!

Some things I have picked up are:
 - The water bottle packets say 'Tall Ship Water' which confirms (or pretty much confirms) that the Tall Ship was involved in the filming of Leg 1A
- Cabling shown in this and other photos I have indicate that production may have been there since the morning?

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I would like to know just exactly where and when this photo was taken. This is a "Techie" table, set up for the people responsible for the battery packs for the cameras. I assume it is the local production crew that set it up. I think the backpacks belong to the TAR roadies (theatrical electrictions) that are in charge of the technical equipment, Not the backpacks of the cameramen or soundmen. I would assume that the cameramen and soundmen's backpacks are in a van parked near that downtown park where they end up. We have seen in the past the convoy of vans that TAR uses.

Is this Circular Quay?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 06, 2011, 10:08:11 PM
Very nice TarJunkie, thank you! :jumpy:

I agree DrRox...

BayBay... do we know where the techy table is exactly?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: BayBay on January 07, 2011, 06:17:00 AM
I am unsure exactly but it is in the vicinity of Town Hall and the anchor.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 07, 2011, 10:19:35 AM
I am unsure exactly but it is in the vicinity of Town Hall and the anchor.

I was just trying to figure out what the structure is in the background..with the arches. I guess it is a building, at first it looked like some kind of bridge arches.

Is this place a car park? Are those some kind of parking meters.....the black things sticking up?

From past races, we know that TAR has multiple production teams that arrive ahead of teams to set up the tasks and challenges and then work with the local hires. Then they flip flop on the different destinations. After Australia, that production team probably went to China to coordinate the activities in Lijiang and Kunming. The Japanese team probably headed to India to coordinate the activites there. Not meaning any kind of spoiler here, but just expounding on what we have seen WRP do in the past.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: TarJunkie999 on January 07, 2011, 11:00:36 AM
I am unsure exactly but it is in the vicinity of Town Hall and the anchor.

 :lol:  exactly where you said it was, between the Town Hall and St. Andrews Cathedral (by the anchor). note the red circular park bench

That "modernist" building in the background of the spoiler photos had me stumped... never could find it in Google Earth street view.  Oh well.  ;)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: TarJunkie999 on January 07, 2011, 11:27:27 AM
 :js:  The "techie" table is alongside the Town Hall building.  Note similar architecture and the railing must have some white thing behind it in the spoiler photos.  Oh yeah, also found a picture of that "modernist" building near town hall.  :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 07, 2011, 12:37:20 PM
Snake!!!  Snake!!!!       LOL..... We already had pics of it......back on page 12 of the Live sightings thread.....

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Sydney/TAR18SydneyTownHall.jpg)

The photos by bushpig (Michelle) and INtraX........lots of pics of the white drop that production hung on the railing. The is only one reason I can think of to hang that drop, there must be something else going on in the lower floors of the Town Hall and they didnt want to be distracted by TAR hanging out in the courtyard. Or they didn't want anyone in that building to see the TAR teams and start tweeting.....lol. Also Woolworths is across the street from Sydney Town Hall. Expains the last minute purchase by production.


Thanks TarJunkie999. If you hadnt found that photo of the corner of the Town Hall.....I would have never gone back and re-checked the photos of the courtyard. Apparently, there is a subway station beneath the courtyard too.


Unnecessary factoid.......not only does the Sydney Town Hall contain governmental offices, it also has a recital hall. According to Wikipedia, it was the premier concert venue in the city untill the Sydney Opera House was built.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: TarJunkie999 on January 07, 2011, 01:46:06 PM
 :lol:  snakes!?!   where  eeewwwww!   :lol3:   Actually, the white covering of the railings has nothing to do with TAR as the picture below shows.  Must have been added previously by the town over the years.  No surprise on the concert venue, as pictures of a huge pipe organ shows up when you google "sydney town hall".   :snicker:  
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 07, 2011, 02:08:08 PM
Good find again.....guess the people in those offices got tired of people looking at them......Yeah, I found all the pics of the organ when searching out pics......I almost thought it was putting in pics of the church next door in with the Town Hall pics........but no.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 07, 2011, 02:31:12 PM
DrRox and TarJunkie...
Ya'll have really found some good info!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: BayBay on January 07, 2011, 03:13:49 PM
The thing that stumps me the most is how stupid (or strategic) WRP was to have production set up at and teams resting at Town Hall. The main reasons are:

1. It is on George St - the busiest street on the CBD
2. It is right above Town Hall station - arguably the second busiest station in Sydney
3. It is constantly flocked with foot traffic and especially on a Tuesday in the afternoon, workers going home, school children etc

And go have ALL STAR teams just 'chilling' at Town Hall in a country which just had there TAR hype revived by TAR AUS and to have a sign up sheet pretty much on the middle of the sidewalk is either the stupidest or most brilliant idea I have ever heard - think the guy 'losing' his iPhone 4 in the bar
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 07, 2011, 04:22:49 PM
The thing that stumps me the most is how stupid (or strategic) WRP was to have production set up at and teams resting at Town Hall. The main reasons are:

1. It is on George St - the busiest street on the CBD
2. It is right above Town Hall station - arguably the second busiest station in Sydney
3. It is constantly flocked with foot traffic and especially on a Tuesday in the afternoon, workers going home, school children etc

And go have ALL STAR teams just 'chilling' at Town Hall in a country which just had there TAR hype revived by TAR AUS and to have a sign up sheet pretty much on the middle of the sidewalk is either the stupidest or most brilliant idea I have ever heard - think the guy 'losing' his iPhone 4 in the bar

Great job to TarJunkie and DrRox!

and amen, BayBay. This has puzzled me from the beginning....why on earth? This is the type of spot where teams would usually be wsked away ....so something strange related to the second leg? :duno:

Very odd...and not well thought out by production...unless it was meant to be a gift to us? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 07, 2011, 05:14:17 PM
BVM is normally so close on his timelines........this race just seems to be a lot of hurry up and wait. I wonder if he underestimated the quality of the teams.

I wonder if the plane diversion to Honolulu messed up the schedule for this leg in some way? It just seems to me that this race was out of sync for some reason. There was the park in Lijiang where the teams waited for a while too. I guess we will find out soon enough.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 07, 2011, 09:08:56 PM
It is entirely possible that the delays encountered by the one flight that diverted to Hawaii on the way could have thrown the timeline for the Oz legs off. That makes sense to me on the one hand, and I'm doubtful we'll ever know from the episode on the other.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on January 08, 2011, 12:42:57 AM
It is entirely possible that the delays encountered by the one flight that diverted to Hawaii on the way could have thrown the timeline for the Oz legs off. That makes sense to me on the one hand, and I'm doubtful we'll ever know from the episode on the other.

That's a good point. The rest of the race was so well hidden (aside from China and perhaps the Florida Keys) that we know little about what happened. To have this first leg in such a heavily traveled and public location strikes me as a last second change. Perhaps when teams got delayed (by a day?) on the way to Hawaii, a location that had been planned as the sign up area was not available and the square next to the Town Hall was the best that could be arranged on short notice. Then again, the aquarium at Manly and the public beach they used were bound to attraction attention, so maybe TAR just figured they were going to be seen and word would get out anyway, so it didn't make any difference. Did the teams spend the whole afternoon and overnight waiting period in the area next to the Town Hall or did they eventually get taken to a hotel for the night? If so, why didn't they do so as soon as they arrived to minimize the time they were in view of the public? While teams have spent the night camped out in public in the past, I don't think it's been done in a country where TAR is so widely viewed. When it was done in the past, the teams weren't All-Star teams that people would recognize. If things in Sydney were rearranged at the last minute, I suppose it's possible that TAR couldn't get 20 or 25 hotel rooms and thus the teams got to hang outdoors and wait. That whole turn of events in Sydney is puzzling. It could have hardly been set up better for us to get maximum spoilage.

This looks like it will be the season known for travel delays. We've got the plane diverted to Hawaii, the suggestion that planes into Europe were delayed due to bad weather, the possibility that trains were used in Europe rather than flying for the same reason and the delayed flight either into or out of Brazil (I forget which it was) due to pilot illness. Have we seen that many flight problemss in the past? I can't remember a season with that many issues.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: BayBay on January 08, 2011, 02:09:04 AM
Although we did experience a diversion it only set some teams back 4 hours?? at most. Not enough time to stuff up a whole leg!

According to the Manly Local Council's website: "If filming relates to a private property, then at least five working days notice is required."

Also: "The Filming Production Company shall be subject to a further 75% of the application fee, should alterations to an issued filming permit subsequently be requested."

Additionally: "In the event of cancellation due to bad weather and/or change of filming/photography dates, rescheduling must be sought a minimum of one day prior to the new date."

I'm not sure of the costs but I doubt that WRP just has extra money to throw around.

SOURCE: http://www.manly.nsw.gov.au/IgnitionSuite/uploads/docs/2010.2011%20Film%20%20Application.pdf

Basically there MUST have been some wisdom between using Town Hall as the rest stop. They might have assumed that teams would have checked in by 1pm?? And having known that they would be staying overnight, they would have moved to somewhere more comfortable?? I am not sure TBH.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Coutzy on January 08, 2011, 02:59:23 AM
Basically there MUST have been some wisdom between using Town Hall as the rest stop. They might have assumed that teams would have checked in by 1pm?? And having known that they would be staying overnight, they would have moved to somewhere more comfortable?? I am not sure TBH.

The sign at Oceanworld had them closed until 2 PM, so I think they thought the last team would be out by roughly1 PM
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 08, 2011, 08:28:03 AM
It could be something as simple as the rooms were not ready at the hotel yet. They do monitor this site, so maybe they knew it was already spoiled....so why get in a hurry to get the teams off to their hotel.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Coutzy on January 08, 2011, 08:29:36 AM
Its possible that they wanted to film some shots of the teams milling and chatting as well.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 08, 2011, 08:36:12 AM
As Peach has already pointed out.......they only let them do ESM in the early part of the race now. They got to do the ESM after Broken Hill mat.....then the train ride to Sydney allowed that too...and in Lijiang after the mat there too and the trip back to Kunming..
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Caelestor on January 08, 2011, 03:02:47 PM
It is entirely possible that the delays encountered by the one flight that diverted to Hawaii on the way could have thrown the timeline for the Oz legs off. That makes sense to me on the one hand, and I'm doubtful we'll ever know from the episode on the other.

That's a good point. The rest of the race was so well hidden (aside from China and perhaps the Florida Keys) that we know little about what happened. To have this first leg in such a heavily traveled and public location strikes me as a last second change. Perhaps when teams got delayed (by a day?) on the way to Hawaii, a location that had been planned as the sign up area was not available and the square next to the Town Hall was the best that could be arranged on short notice. Then again, the aquarium at Manly and the public beach they used were bound to attraction attention, so maybe TAR just figured they were going to be seen and word would get out anyway, so it didn't make any difference. Did the teams spend the whole afternoon and overnight waiting period in the area next to the Town Hall or did they eventually get taken to a hotel for the night? If so, why didn't they do so as soon as they arrived to minimize the time they were in view of the public? While teams have spent the night camped out in public in the past, I don't think it's been done in a country where TAR is so widely viewed. When it was done in the past, the teams weren't All-Star teams that people would recognize. If things in Sydney were rearranged at the last minute, I suppose it's possible that TAR couldn't get 20 or 25 hotel rooms and thus the teams got to hang outdoors and wait. That whole turn of events in Sydney is puzzling. It could have hardly been set up better for us to get maximum spoilage.

This looks like it will be the season known for travel delays. We've got the plane diverted to Hawaii, the suggestion that planes into Europe were delayed due to bad weather, the possibility that trains were used in Europe rather than flying for the same reason and the delayed flight either into or out of Brazil (I forget which it was) due to pilot illness. Have we seen that many flight problemss in the past? I can't remember a season with that many issues.


Hopefully not a repeat of All-Stars. The flight issues really caused that season major problems.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 10, 2011, 12:35:11 AM
Maybe they were just getting our hopes up by throwing them into easilly spottable areas in the first leg, only to hide them very well for the rest of the race! :neener:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: north09 on January 11, 2011, 02:06:52 PM
Maybe they were just getting our hopes up by throwing them into easilly spottable areas in the first leg, only to hide them very well for the rest of the race! :neener:

That was my thought. It got us and other sites talking, didn't it?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 11, 2011, 02:18:21 PM
Maybe they were just getting our hopes up by throwing them into easilly spottable areas in the first leg, only to hide them very well for the rest of the race! :neener:

That was my thought. It got us and other sites talking, didn't it?

In eastward years, the final teams are easily spotted in Asia and Australia. The writers were wise to make TAR 18 a westward, since the teams are already recognizable.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: selkie on January 13, 2011, 09:35:19 AM
Australian media is reporting that Broken Hill, NSW is starting to become an area of concern because of flash flooding and heavy rain in the forecast. Not as bad as other parts of the country so far, and hopefully it won't get to that point there.

Still, the show does have a rather awkward and odd tendency for disasters and semi-disasters to happen between filming and first airing of a Race.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: phant0m on January 13, 2011, 09:56:16 AM
Australian media is reporting that Broken Hill, NSW is starting to become an area of concern because of flash flooding and heavy rain in the forecast. Not as bad as other parts of the country so far, and hopefully it won't get to that point there.

Still, the show does have a rather awkward and odd tendency for disasters and semi-disasters to happen between filming and first airing of a Race.

the "phil" factor? :/
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 13, 2011, 12:58:46 PM
The poor denizens of Oz. A year and a half ago, they were suffering through one of the worse droughts they've ever had and extensive wildfires. That had a severe impact on world wheat prices for several years; and the price of food items containing wheat only came back down in the last six months or so.

This time it could impact manufactured or processed goods because much of Asia relies on coal from Oz, and the flooding has had a severe impact on transportation infrastructure.

Just be ready for some worldwide commodities and manufactured goods prices to head to the stratosphere very quickly as a result.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: apskip on January 14, 2011, 09:47:56 AM
The Gulf States, including Dubai, Oman, Qatar and Bahrain are east of Saudi Arabia. The western edge of Asia runs from Russia through the Caucasus Mountains region, through Turkey at the Bosporus, west to include Cyprus (you learn something new every day), then down through Syria, Lebanon, Israel and the Sinai Peninsula. It then goes south to Yemen.

The divisions between Asia and Europe occur at the Ural Mountains, Ural River and Caspian Sea in the east, the Caucasus Mountains and the Black Sea with its outlets, Bosporus and Dardanelles in the south. Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Russia and Turkey are considered part of both Europe and Asia. Armenia and Cyprus are entirely in Western Asia, but are sociopolitically European countries. The division between Asia and Africa is usually considered to be the Suez Canal, placing the Sinai peninsula in Asia, and therefore Egypt may be included as an Asian state.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: apskip on January 18, 2011, 07:51:35 AM

I have to correct to you ( i am a geo major in the waiting) there is no Europe! it is one whole super continent with Asia.

And I have been an amateur geographer longer than you have been alive, so I can tell you that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are at least these different models of how many continents there are:

7 continents
    North America
    South America
    Antarctica
    Africa
    Europe
    Asia
    Australia
6 continents
    North America
    South America
    Antarctica
    Africa
    Eurasia
    Australia
6 continents
    America
    Antarctica
    Africa
    Europe
    Asia
    Australia
5 continents
    America
    Africa
    Europe
    Asia
    Australia
5 continents
    America
    Antarctica
    Africa
    Eurasia
    Australia
4 continents
    America
    Antarctica
    Afro-Eurasia
    Australia

The seven-continent model is usually taught in China and most English-speaking countries. The six-continent combined-Eurasia model is preferred by the geographic community, the former states of the USSR (including Russia), and Japan. The six-continent combined-America model is taught in Latin America, and some parts of Europe, including Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain. This model may be taught to include only the five inhabited continents (excluding Antarctica).

So, perhaps your geography professors are from the "geographic community" and will not acknowledge that there are many alternate viewpoints, some based on plate techtonics and others of political geography. I say pick the one that appeals to you, as I did in my original note.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 18, 2011, 10:12:51 AM
Great post apskip!!!!

There is a difference between physical geography and social geography. I never understood why the Eurasia people always leave out India.....since it was its own continent once. Shouldn't it be Indoeurasia or maybe Eurasiaindo......oh well.

Soon (in earth time, not human time) the east African rift will split off about 20% of the continent......wonder what it will be called then?

The International Olympic Committee only recognizes 5 continents too.......the reason there are only 5 rings in the Olympic Flag.

I think we REALLY need for Feb 20th to hurry up and get here!!!!   :meow:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: TexasLady on January 18, 2011, 01:20:43 PM
This is a fascinating discussion! I was taught there were 7 continents, Europe and Asia being separate, but I see there is more than one model. I never gave much thought to the 5 rings in the Olympic flag either. Thanks for educating me.  :tup:

I don't think Eurasindo...or Indoeurasia will catch on though....
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 18, 2011, 01:37:20 PM
Texas Lady.........once there was only one continent....Godwanaland........google it......lol
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on January 18, 2011, 02:04:03 PM
Texas Lady.........once there was only one continent....Godwanaland........google it......lol

Haha Gondwana  was after Pangaea (the supercontinent) split  :-[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 18, 2011, 11:24:15 PM
According to the plate tectonic theorists, there was originally only one supercontinent, Pangaea, and at some future point in a few billion years plate movement will re-create it.
The biggest debate has usually been whether Australia should or shouldn't be counted as a continent....especially with all those islands lying between it and mainland Asia.
My understanding is that the Olympic Rings 5 continents are North America, South America, Europe, Africa, Asia. That is how the rings were said to reflect the continents on a world map centered on the Greenwich Line (0 degrees). Australia was ignored or treated as part of Asia (take your pick.) -- And that is just one piece of trivia I picked up as a resident of an Olympic City between 1989 and 1996.
:)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 19, 2011, 01:07:27 AM
There are six continents!  Here they are:    :lol3:

(http://www.toy-tma.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Risk-Board.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 19, 2011, 01:30:06 AM
So guess what we will be seeing along with those paper airplanes in Palm Springs!!!   :lol:

Quote
The new season of the seven-time Emmy-winning reality series kicks off in Palm Springs, Calif., where the teams must sort through hundreds of paper airplanes to find one of a handful that say "Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services," figure out it's a little-used acronym for Qantas Airways, and board one of two flights to Sydney.

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 19, 2011, 01:39:10 AM
Well, if WRP wants to spoil the start line....

The TAR 18 Start line was actually at Windmill Farm in Palm Springs.

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The new season of the seven-time Emmy-winning reality series kicks off in Palm Springs, Calif., where the teams must sort through hundreds of paper airplanes to find one of a handful that say "Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services," figure out it's a little-used acronym for Qantas Airways, and board one of two flights to Sydney.

Other stops on the journey, filmed in November and December, include Japan and tiny Liechtenstein, a first-time destination, where racers had to measure the precise length of the country on mopeds.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2011-01-19-race19_ST_N.htm


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/WindMillFarms.jpg)


And yes, that is the correct task in Liechtenstein. As a matter of fact, it is the ONLY task in Liechtenstein. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on January 19, 2011, 04:31:54 AM
Now that I know where to look, it took me about 2 minutes to find information from back in November that suggested TAR 18 would be visiting Palm Springs.  :groan: The hard part is knowing where to look before it gets revealed.  :duno: It did take me a bit of time to confirm that the information pointed to the windmill site and not another location in the Palm Springs area.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Jobby on January 19, 2011, 08:50:40 AM
Quote
Other stops on the journey, filmed in November and December, include Japan and tiny Liechtenstein, a first-time destination, where racers had to measure the precise length of the country on mopeds.

As you guys already know...

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2011-01-19-race19_ST_N.htm
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: gl14 on January 19, 2011, 11:26:51 AM
Something I noticed while reading the profiles for the contestants on the official website. Many of them said they hoped to go to Brazil and Australia this season. 2 countries that actually made the cut. Furthermore, many of them said their favorite countries from their previous season was Thailand and India. Since India is on the route this season and Thailand is the Elimination Station, you think it's possible they asked their input for countries??
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 19, 2011, 11:50:05 AM
No. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on January 19, 2011, 11:54:53 AM
The database (http://www.thewindpower.net/wind_farms_america.php) lists a few wind farms in the area, but I'll put my chips on San Gorgonio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Gorgonio_Pass_Wind_Farm).
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 19, 2011, 11:57:18 AM

Other stops on the journey, filmed in November and December, include Japan and tiny Liechtenstein, a first-time destination, where racers had to measure the precise length of the country on mopeds.


And yes, that is the correct task in Liechtenstein. As a matter of fact, it is the ONLY task in Liechtenstein. :lol:
Haha, they released a lot; more than you would. :lol:

Nice find on the video by RealityFreakWill!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 19, 2011, 02:55:31 PM
Anyway, what is a moped? :duno:

Here you go!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moped
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 19, 2011, 03:22:03 PM
Anyway, what is a moped? :duno:

Here you go!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moped

I did a bit of research before I posted the question, and that is waht came up. I was in disbelief, because I was thinking how do you measure with motorcycles?

In the intial post, I believe they are referring to riding a moped for that certain length rather than using them as a unit of measurement.

However even with bikes you can attach an odometer system.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 19, 2011, 03:34:42 PM

"I'm Phil Keoghan and I'm standing on in one of the largest wind energy producing farms in the world ..."   :lol:


(http://metaefficient.com/wp-content/uploads/ge1.5-wind-turbine.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 19, 2011, 03:35:42 PM

"I'm Phil Keoghan and I'm standing on in one of the largest wind energy producing farms in the world ..."   :lol:


(http://metaefficient.com/wp-content/uploads/ge1.5-wind-turbine.jpg)

Good one Chateau!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 19, 2011, 03:45:37 PM
LOL @ Chateau!!!

 :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 19, 2011, 03:48:20 PM
It has to be on his list of things to do.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on January 19, 2011, 03:50:10 PM
LOL!!  :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on January 19, 2011, 04:32:33 PM
i find start line of the amazing race 18 guys i dont where post so excuss tell
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: apskip on January 19, 2011, 04:39:36 PM

apskip, im sorry if i offended you in any way

RealityTVisthe Best,

It's no harm, no foul so you did not offend me. You have a right to your point of view, but it is not the only valid point of view on the number of continents.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on January 19, 2011, 04:47:35 PM
i have compare this is Start Line of The Amaizng Race 18 is ..............................Alta Wind Energy Center is start line of race i see dirty where team start in so it start line
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on January 19, 2011, 04:52:03 PM
i have compare this is Start Line of The Amaizng Race 18 is ..............................Alta Wind Energy Center is start line of race i see dirty where team start in so it start line

I think we already found it ZBC_Company. its in the timeline thread.  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on January 19, 2011, 07:05:46 PM
If it really is Qantas out of LAX, then that sets a new record, half-again as long as the drive out of Pahrump (TAR2).
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on January 19, 2011, 09:16:55 PM
I can drill it down a little bit: the permit (http://www.blm.gov/ca/forms/nepa/search.php?ud=DESC&fo=Palm%20Springs) (bottom of page) lists Whitewater Canyon as the spot.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 19, 2011, 09:35:13 PM
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Whitewater Canyon, Riverside Co. T3S, R3E, Section 12, SW1/4

Actually, that's pretty specific if you ask me.
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T3S, R3E, Section 12, SW1/4
is an exact location referencing a legal subdivision map for that area. If I understand the references T=Township (3 S(outh?)), R=Range (3 E(ast?)) Section 12, in the SouthWest 1/4 (one-quarter).
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 19, 2011, 09:37:41 PM
oH wonderful!! :hearts: You're the best!!

Is that anywhere near this??

san gorgonio mountain pass in the san bernadino mountains

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS391US391&q=san+gorgonio+mountain+pass+in+the+san+bernadino+mountains&wrapid=tlif129549457524610&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=vi&biw=1277&bih=531
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 19, 2011, 09:48:24 PM
Couldn't say. There are special maps (usually done by surveyors) that are used as the basis for the legal description of land for property deeds and other land records. What that description was from tells me that the Bureau of Land Management (U.S. Department of the Interior) uses the legal descriptions of locations for identifying "projects."

One would need to look at a copy of the surveyor's maps that are probably on file with Riverside County in order to pin down the exact plot of land. BLM may also have such maps on file, but I don't want to say that for a fact since I've never had to look for a location that way.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on January 19, 2011, 10:39:40 PM
Here's an online BLM map (http://www.geocommunicator.gov/blmMap/Map.jsp) and this (http://www.outfitters.com/genealogy/land/twprangemap.html) explains the co-ordinates. If I'm reading it correctly (big if), T3S R3E Section 12 SW 1/4 would put production in the vicinity of Painted Hills Rd. It's next to the I10, but you can't see the highway in the promo. ???
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 19, 2011, 11:14:27 PM
Interestingly, Slowhatch's location is in the same area (almost) as where I was finding matching views:

(more to follow)

The GE view matches this shot for likely Sun angle and slope.  It gets better...
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 19, 2011, 11:18:30 PM
It is rather far from the I10   :lol:  I guess they wandered   :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 19, 2011, 11:22:44 PM
The key to match are these old style wind machine towers made like radio towers.  There are not very many of them in the farm.

The old style towers appear in the promo shot her in the upper right:

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23692.0;attach=170941;image)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 19, 2011, 11:28:14 PM
I think you guys are very close. I am trying to find the name of that particular quadrangle map with those Township/Range coordinates. They are made by the USGS.....not many of them are online. They want you to buy them. The BLM uses the USGS maps..
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 19, 2011, 11:31:38 PM
Another thing that connects are these characteristic double pole transmission lines:

They are few in number on the farm.  But we have some in our promo of the startline.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 19, 2011, 11:47:27 PM
It looks like the location of the start line is closer to the designated film permit location:

I found a line of those double pole transmission towers next to the modern style wind turbines.

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23692.0;attach=170945;image)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 19, 2011, 11:51:09 PM
Here it is relative to the I10

I have a better location ... not far from the one shown here.  Read on  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 19, 2011, 11:54:59 PM
Good job Chateau...........looks like a benchmark right behind Phil to his right......under your orange circle.

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23692.0;attach=170945;image)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 19, 2011, 11:55:36 PM
Actually, I think I found it using the BLM map link.
There is a narrow body of water labeled "White Water." There is a road called White Water Cutoff west of the south end of that body of water, that becomes "Old Morango Road" that runs very close to I-10 briefly then wiggles away from I-10 headed generally northeastward. On the correct scale, there is a set of 16 red outlined squares with a "12" in the middle, and the SW 1/4 are the four small red blocks that make up the southwest quadrant of the set of 16 red outline blocks with the "12" in the middle. That's the area being referenced in that project list that the land description came from. Once you get it to the correct scale it falls into place very easily, and you can see that the BLM land description is very clear. If you get to highway 82 that's to the east, you are too far to the east, if you are at the service road to the west of the "White Water" body of water, you are too far to the west.

BTW, I'm talking about the BLM reference, not necessarily where the start line was.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 20, 2011, 12:04:06 AM
Actually, I think I found it using the BLM map link.
There is a narrow body of water labeled "White Water." There is a road called White Water Cutoff west of the south end of that body of water, that becomes "Old Morango Road" that runs very close to I-10 briefly then wiggles away from I-10 headed generally northeastward. On the correct scale, there is a set of 16 red outlined squares with a "12" in the middle, and the SW 1/4 are the four small red blocks that make up the southwest quadrant of the set of 16 red outline blocks with the "12" in the middle. That's the area being referenced in that project list that the land description came from. Once you get it to the correct scale it falls into place very easily, and you can see that the BLM land description is very clear. If you get to highway 82 that's to the east, you are too far to the east, if you are at the service road to the west of the "White Water" body of water, you are too far to the west.

BTW, I'm talking about the BLM reference, not necessarily where the start line was.

I think they have the start line in section 12 but in NW 1/4, not in SW1/4.  Just a little off.   :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on January 20, 2011, 12:20:06 AM
Just for the record, when I made my cryptic message early this morning about finding information from last November that pointed TAR being in Palm Springs, I was referring to the Bureau of Land Management film permit that Slowhatch found. I should have passed it along. I'm not sure what I was thinking now. It was very late when I did that.

Anyway, I went as far as translating the range and township information into a latitude and longitude of 33.92176 N and 116.62823 W for the center of the southwest quadrant of section 12. I looked it up and saw that it was in the middle of a wind farm and left it at that. I'm glad to see that Slowhatch found it and Chateau has narrowed it down much better than I could have. Good work!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 20, 2011, 12:24:45 AM
I believe the filming permit might have been for Phil's stand-up as the teams arrive at the start line.  If so, that would explain the differences.  The film permit almost seems as if it puts the canyon into the background for Phil, then the camera's point of reference would shift via editing to the wind farm.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 20, 2011, 03:39:06 AM
You guys are wonderful!! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 20, 2011, 10:39:14 AM
I believe the filming permit might have been for Phil's stand-up as the teams arrive at the start line.  If so, that would explain the differences.  The film permit almost seems as if it puts the canyon into the background for Phil, then the camera's point of reference would shift via editing to the wind farm.

Also, when they look to the south, the view of Mount San Jacinto will be spectacular from that location.  It has been used by California Plein Air painters for almost a century.

Arthur Merton Hazard (http://bodegabayheritagegallery.com/Hazard_Arthur_Merton_.htm)

(http://bodegabayheritagegallery.com/Hazard_Arthur_Merton_Mt_San_Jacinto_Mid.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 20, 2011, 10:40:25 AM
Excellent work, Chateau and company!  :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: ZBC Company on January 20, 2011, 02:17:48 PM
cool
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 20, 2011, 03:27:09 PM
I had a hard time trying to get that BLM site to work on my puter. They don't play nice with each other.

But in the SW/4 of Section 12 is a low promontory. In most of the older TARs, Phil was always on top of a skyscraper for the premier lead-in it seems. In TAR2 he was out in the middle of the dry lake and in TAR17 he was out on that hill on the golf course. I wonder if that is why that parcel of land was in the BLM permit. the_schnauzers comment above got me to thinking that that hill would make a good spot for his helicopter lead-in standup.

Also, the area that Chateau has identified just might be in Section 1 or 2 or 11. That area is north of 16th St and I dont think that 16th St is in Section 12. They all come together over there. Anyway, it is probably just my computer not working well with the BLM site software.

I guess they are driving those off road buggies to get to their cars for the drive to LAX. I didnt find any good access from that start line area to I-10, so I would think they will drive out to 62, then south to I-10.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 20, 2011, 09:00:32 PM
Using this shot from the promo I can get a better pin pointing of the start line.  The shot has a tall radio tower that is unique.  There are also those double pole transmission lines.  A far pair is nested inside a near pair.

That makes a line!  

There are 4 wind turbine towers in the back:  BT1, BT2, BT3, BT4
There are two wind turbine towers that are closer:  NT1, NT2
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 20, 2011, 09:03:20 PM
This shot was taken Here near the corner of 16th Avenue and Rock Mine Road.

There are 5 lines of sight in the shot that match GE  :tup:

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23692.0;attach=170952;image)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 20, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
WOW....just WOW!!~

:bow: :bow: :bow:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 20, 2011, 09:15:30 PM
Here is the bigger picture in case you are wondering just where we are...  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 20, 2011, 09:16:53 PM
Here is the map now with north pointing up.  So the I10 is fairly nearby.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 20, 2011, 09:20:28 PM
And in this view you may see what I mean about Mount San Jacinto !!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on January 20, 2011, 09:21:33 PM
Also its a 2 hour drive (4 hrs traffic) to get from there to LAX (of course by GoogleMaps)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 20, 2011, 09:27:06 PM
And if you move the point of view about 100 feet to the west you get to see I10 come into view.

Because we are on the edge of a cliff overlooking the White Water arroyo (the yellow dots are the edge).  

I guess they did not want any tweets coming from people driving to Palm Springs  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 20, 2011, 09:32:13 PM
Here is a review of "Windmill Farm" from trip advisor...

Wonder if this spot is in their bounds?? And WHAT aerial tram?? :lol: Where is that? Is this where you are Chateau?

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“4000 windmills generating electricity- an extraordinary sight!”
Windmill Farm
   AdelaidianTraveller   delaide Australia
Feb 24, 2010 You associate Palm Springs with extraordinary sights of natural beauty.

Add this to the list of extraordinary sights! Located on I-20 just outside of Palm Springs is a massive windmill farm generating electricity. There are windmills of all sizes.

You can drive by (adjacent to the highway) or take a guided tour through the "forest" of windmills.

Apparently the wind farm comprises more than 4000 separate windmills, and they generate sufficient electricity to supply power to Palm Springs and the entire Coachella Valley.

You can see the windmills adjacent to the highway as you enter or leave Palm Spings. Also, if you take the Aerial Tram, you'll see a panoramic aerial view of the farm.

It's an extraordinary sight, and easily accessible.

You can do a 90 minute tour of the wind farm- four tours are conducted daily- they ask you to make a reservation at least 24 hours in advance

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 20, 2011, 09:43:10 PM
I think the cable tramway goes up the east side of Mt San Jacinto from Palm Springs. We are looking at the north side of the mountain.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 20, 2011, 09:47:21 PM
Hmmm... thanks!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 20, 2011, 10:05:44 PM
So, can we tell the time of day by using a rainbow?   :lol3:

This shot was taken between 12:13 and 12:27 pm (assumes November 20th).



(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/TAR18promorainbow2Chateau-1.jpg)



edited to embed photo
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 20, 2011, 10:05:44 PM
The aerial tram is in a canyon on the NE side of Mt San Jacinto, just west of the NW part of Palm Springs. There is a good road out of the canyon to that major road.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on January 20, 2011, 10:09:59 PM
This (http://www.thebestofthebesttours.com/tour3.php) is probably the tour mentioned; it's also mentioned in this article (http://travel.latimes.com/articles/la-trw-windmills5-2009apr05?content=lls+if+you+want.+I+won%27t+stop+you.%22&single_page=y) that I came across when I was researching the woodland-camo karts (I thought it might belong to a company, but it's a dead end; San Gorgonio isn't one farm, but a collection of dozens of farms/companies). Some trivia from the article:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 20, 2011, 10:23:50 PM
Here is the Google Maps route (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=16th+Ave&daddr=W+96th+St&hl=en&geocode=FQS8BQIdrGAM-Q%3BFcIDBgId6mLx-A&gl=us&mra=prev&sll=33.97193,-117.51311&sspn=1.002214,1.778412&ie=UTF8&ll=33.955606,-118.322411&spn=0.125301,0.222301&z=13) from the start line to Park One at LAX.  As stated already, the predicted drive time is about 2 hours.


View Larger Map
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on January 21, 2011, 11:29:20 AM
The aerial tram is in a canyon on the NE side of Mt San Jacinto, just west of the NW part of Palm Springs. There is a good road out of the canyon to that major road.

I doubt if it will prove to be of any use, but I rode on that aerial tram about 20 to 25 years ago. I don't remember it well enough to know where it was relative to the starting line. It was an interesting ride as there were several (5?) climatic regimes on the mountain from the desert floor at the bottom to an alpine environment at the top. I did some hiking on one or two of the trails at the top. I also remember having a good meal at the restaurant at the top of the tram.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 21, 2011, 11:52:31 AM
Here is the TRAM info:
http://www.pstramway.com/history.html

Here is a wonderful site with mutiple panoramas of our starting line area, def worth a look!

http://www.khurramhashmi.org/move-to-California/Palm_Springs_Aerial_Tramway_Mount_San_Jacinto_State_Park_San_Bernardino_National_Forest_California.html

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 21, 2011, 03:40:57 PM
Thanks amazing race fan ! and :welcome:  :waves:

FB :

(Person from near LA)

They're filming the amazing race in my airport!!!!! I need to join in on the travels lol

17 minutes ago via iPhone

(already contacted)

I'm calculating that this tweet went out at about 4:30 pm.  We later learned that the spotting was in the Food Court at the Tom Bradley International Terminal.  More figuring puts this team's arrival at LAX between 3:30  and 4:00 pm.  The 2 hour drive time estimate is very optimal and assumes the driver knows the best route and makes no errors.  I'd throw in 20 to 30 min of route inefficiency for being a crazed racer without a nav system.  That puts their Wind Farm departure in the range from 1:00 to 1:40 pm.  The rainbow start time* projects them to be starting the paper airplane task at about 12:30 pm.  

So, I'm guessing the paper airplane task took 30 to 70 minutes to complete.  What do you suppose they had to do?  Remember that the wind is blowing strong at this location all the time.  I would hate to have to catch a bunch of flying paper.  Especially next to that cliff!   :ascared

The most filmable scenario would be to have production dump 100's of planes from on top of the wind turbines near the cliff (behind Phil ) and have the racers chase them down as they fly over the desert floor.  It would not be that dangerous since the wind blows away from the cliff  :lol:

Can't Wait !   :trampb:

* Note that technically, the rainbow shot may not be the real start but just a staging shot taken as much as 30 min before the real thing.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: chill_sd on January 21, 2011, 04:35:34 PM
If the Start Line is where we now think it is (yellow oval) it is actually in the NW 1/4 of T3S, R3E, Section 12.  It's even only barely in the SW 1/16 of that 1/4.  The path back to I-10, does go through the SW 1/4 listed in the film permit.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: JETandCORDfan on January 21, 2011, 04:59:35 PM
I have driven on the I-10   many times. I have passed that wind farm once or twice, and as I live in El Segundo, witch is less than 2 miles to LAX, Usually there isn't much traffic there at 12:30 - 3:00pm , so that could take 10 - 30 minutes off of the drive.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 21, 2011, 05:22:41 PM
I would also suspect that since it was a Saturday afternoon, traffic would have been much less than a weekday. But I like Chateau's timeline. I would think offhand, that Mel/Mike and Zev/Justin might know how to get to LAX since they are residents of the LA Basin. Amand/Kris might know too, but I doubt the others would know the way and will have to stop to get a map or directions. From reading the directions on Chateau's map, even though it looks likes a pretty direct route, there seems to be a lot of freeway switching along the way. Unless they have a lot signage for LAX......it would seem pretty easy to miss an exit to a tourist to the area.

I have not been on the highways and streets of LA since about 1960. I have flown in and out of LAX quite a few times since then, but never left the terminal. If it had been me, getting the clue to head to LAX from Whitewater. I could have done it without getting a map or asking directions. I don't know how much longer it would have taken. I decided to take a look at GE just to see if I was crazy. I would just have followed I-10 to I-405 and turned left. I do know that that route would get me close enough to see LAX signs on the freeway. Now if there is a lot of signage in El Monte to LAX..I might have followed the I-605 to the I-105. I guess it depends on what the clue in Phil's pocket says. If it is a gaurentee of a seat on the first flight...I dont think I would have stopped for a map or info. If it was race to the counter.....well then it depends on how many had left before me I guess.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 22, 2011, 11:08:07 AM
cap from the racer individual interviews.

Name that city :lol:


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/TAR18racerinterviewvidcitypic.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: 2old4tech on January 22, 2011, 11:20:58 AM
Honolulu
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: JETandCORDfan on January 22, 2011, 11:25:33 AM
Yea, the I - 105 West takes you directly to LAX's ramp and terminal, although taking Pacific Coast Highway ( Interstate 1 ) would work too.

It is a pretty straight forward drive with 1 , 2 freeway changed depending on what teams want to do.

But in my opinion, Taking the I-10W to either I-105 W or the I 405 South will get them their around evenly.

So it will be interesting.

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: 2old4tech on January 22, 2011, 11:28:29 AM
...and this might be the "original".  See small boat?

Pic from here http://www.altusgroup.com/Content/Images/Honolulu_Web.jpg (http://www.altusgroup.com/Content/Images/Honolulu_Web.jpg)

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 22, 2011, 11:34:53 AM
Honolulu

Great job......the palace in the lower left is there too.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Plaidmoon on January 22, 2011, 11:48:22 AM
Honolulu

Great job......the palace in the lower left is there too.

AKA the Royal Hawaiian Hotel.  :tup:

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 22, 2011, 11:49:37 AM
Thanks 2old!!

Now the question is...why this pic?? ??? No Hawaii for us, so why THIS one?


Thanks for the drive info J/C FAn!

So...who is taking a ROADTRIP?? :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 22, 2011, 12:21:40 PM
Maybe there will be a "Hawaii Five-O" tie in somewhere?

And don't forget the one flight got diverted to Honolulu, and that may be why that shot is in there.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 22, 2011, 12:26:10 PM
So, can we tell the time of day by using a rainbow?   :lol3:

This shot was taken between 12:13 and 12:27 pm (assumes November 20th).



(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/TAR18promorainbow2Chateau-1.jpg)





Okay...I give up?? HOW can you tell time by a rainbow??  Ask a leprechaun? :funny:


Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 22, 2011, 12:28:20 PM

And don't forget the one flight got diverted to Honolulu, and that may be why that shot is in there.

ohhhh...I like it!! subtle snark!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 22, 2011, 12:30:22 PM

And don't forget the one flight got diverted to Honolulu, and that may be why that shot is in there.

ohhhh...I like it!! subtle snark!

Maybe they are going to try and pretend that they were supposed to go there.

More than likely it is just a good picture for that sort of thing since they were not counting on anybody figuring out where it is.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 22, 2011, 12:34:57 PM

More than likely it is just a good picture for that sort of thing since they were not counting on anybody figuring out where it is.

 "They" know us waaaay better than that!! :jam:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 22, 2011, 01:08:40 PM
In some of the earlier seasons, there were editors who were that subtle with the snark and timeline clues (four to nine, perhaps.) And then a new group came in that tended to be too literal-minded, and stopped telling us little details like how much money teams go and when they left the pitstop.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 22, 2011, 01:42:40 PM
In some of the earlier seasons, there were editors who were that subtle with the snark and timeline clues (four to nine, perhaps.) And then a new group came in that tended to be too literal-minded, and stopped telling us little details like how much money teams go and when they left the pitstop.

I know...why did the Race producers stop telling the dollar amounts and departure times? I have noticed this odd trend as well.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 22, 2011, 02:09:27 PM
I thnk they are going to play up the diversion.......especially since it also happened on the flight from Hong Kong on the way to Japan. They could be setting up for the eliminations of those teams that were on that flight. It will make for good drama for the normal people that dont read spoilers.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 22, 2011, 03:36:45 PM
So, can we tell the time of day by using a rainbow?   :lol3:

This shot was taken between 12:13 and 12:27 pm (assumes November 20th).



(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/TAR18promorainbow2Chateau-1.jpg)





Okay...I give up?? HOW can you tell time by a rainbow??  Ask a leprechaun? :funny:




I'm so glad you asked!   :wise

Rainbows only exist in the eyes of those who see them.  There is nothing but a mist of water drops at the spot where we see a rainbow.  They were first figured out by the Frenchman Rene Descartes in 1637.  Here is a good place to see the physics of the rainbow (http://eo.ucar.edu/rainbows/).  The long an short of it is that the sunlight comes from behind us, enters the distant water drop at about a 60 degree angle with respect to the drop's surface normal, reflects off the inside back-surface of the drop, exits the front of drop (not the same place as it came in), and then proceeds to our eyes.  There is a precise, color-dependent angle between our eyes, the drop , and the Sun:  40 to 42 degrees.  At each passage from air-to-water and water-to-air the sunlight is dispersed into its component colors.  The higher energy colors:   Blue, Indigo, Violet are more strongly dispersed.  That's why the rainbow colors go, in order from the outside to the inside:  Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo, Violet.

So, in the promo photo, there are two ways to use the rainbow to give the time of day.  One is to estimate the angle from horizontal up to the top of the bow.  Subtract that from 40 degrees and that gives the Solar altitude.  The Solar altitude gives two possible times of day (one for AM and one for PM).  The other way to use the Rainbow (and this was what I used) is to recognize that the top of the bow gives the direction to the Sun.  The Sun is 180 degrees from the top of the bow.  So all you have to do is know where the shot was taken and make a line from there to where the picture shows the top of the bow.  In our shot I used the mountain peaks in the distance to make a vector.  From that you get the Solar azimuth.  There is one time of day for any given Solar Azimuth.

Yes, this was my first rainbow. 

 :smoke
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 22, 2011, 03:39:56 PM
Good work, Chateau! You're a valuable detective to have around!

That all blows my mind for sure. All I think is  :colors
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 22, 2011, 04:45:27 PM
Without geometry, life would be...........well, pointless.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: apskip on January 23, 2011, 12:34:05 PM
The aerial tram is in a canyon on the NE side of Mt San Jacinto, just west of the NW part of Palm Springs. There is a good road out of the canyon to that major road.

I doubt if it will prove to be of any use, but I rode on that aerial tram about 20 to 25 years ago. I don't remember it well enough to know where it was relative to the starting line. It was an interesting ride as there were several (5?) climatic regimes on the mountain from the desert floor at the bottom to an alpine environment at the top. I did some hiking on one or two of the trails at the top. I also remember having a good meal at the restaurant at the top of the tram.

I too rode it in the 1970s. I remember those climate zones. The temperature difference between the top and the canyon floor was 40 degrees, which I understood to be typical.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2011, 12:50:53 PM
Hmmmm....lovely day out there!! :angel
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 23, 2011, 04:05:54 PM
Good job Chateau...........looks like a benchmark right behind Phil to his right......under your orange circle.

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23692.0;attach=170945;image)

Yes!! It is a benchmark   :lol:


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/TAR18startlinebenchmark.jpg)


edited to embed photo
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 23, 2011, 04:19:29 PM
Well I went on a little 100 mile field trip this morning  :lol:



I found the right spot.  And I found the tattered remains of four paper airplanes after an exhaustive 2 hour search of the region.  I also found an old glove, a CD with bullet holes and lots of bones  :ascared
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2011, 04:22:34 PM
It's beautiful!!


 :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on January 23, 2011, 04:24:05 PM
thats the spot! :bow:

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 23, 2011, 04:27:15 PM
Here is the view of Mount San Jacinto that they had better use  :jam:


And more bones

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 23, 2011, 04:30:53 PM
Here is another view of Mount San Jacinto that they had better use   :jam: :jam:



(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/TAR18startMountSanJacintobyChateau.jpg)




edited to embed photo
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2011, 04:38:59 PM
Perfect for HD!! Gosh, you can really hear the wind!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 23, 2011, 04:46:09 PM
Paper Airplanes:


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/TAR18startlinepaperairplanesbyChateau.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 23, 2011, 04:46:35 PM
Close up:


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/TAR18startlinepaperairplanescloseupbyChateau.jpg)

Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2011, 04:59:30 PM
They do look like airplane folds! How in the world did those survive??

Chateau the master!! CSI has NOTHING on your site evals!! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 23, 2011, 05:11:43 PM
Now what are the odds that there'd be paper airplane remains right at that location?

Someone didn't clean the place up as carefully as they should have. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: JETandCORDfan on January 23, 2011, 05:27:22 PM
I am smelling something strong, it could be well a confirmed spoiler,

or it could be my socks  :res:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: 2old4tech on January 23, 2011, 05:35:56 PM

And more bones



OMG! There was a Start Line elimination. Poor Eric and Lisa. Unfinished Business indeed!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: AmazingRace on January 23, 2011, 06:33:21 PM
Omg! Wonderful work Chateau!

You need to preserve those paper planes in the museum!  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 23, 2011, 06:49:04 PM
Good job Chateau...........looks like a benchmark right behind Phil to his right......under your orange circle.

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23692.0;attach=170945;image)

Yes!! It is a benchmark   :lol:


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/TAR18startlinebenchmark.jpg)


edited to embed photo

Well glad you found the benchmark. I sure wish I could have gone with ya out there.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on January 23, 2011, 07:17:46 PM
 :waves: Good Job Chateau!!  :ty3: :hoot: :bow: :jam:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 23, 2011, 07:29:14 PM
:waves: Good Job Chateau!!  :ty3: :hoot: :bow: :jam:

Great work! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: LoveRocked on January 23, 2011, 10:55:23 PM
What a impressive Chateau!!! Ohh, What a smart! Great work!!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2011, 11:06:19 PM
Now what are the odds that there'd be paper airplane remains right at that location?

Someone didn't clean the place up as carefully as they should have. :tup:

Those bones?? Belong to that PA...... :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Chateau d If on January 24, 2011, 02:22:27 AM
Now what are the odds that there'd be paper airplane remains right at that location?

Someone didn't clean the place up as carefully as they should have. :tup:

Those bones?? Belong to that PA...... :lol3:

Only if the PA is a descendant of Rin Tin Tin  :lol:

Thanks everybody!  It was a lot of fun.  I really can't wait to see it all go down. 

I wonder if TAR18's racers will go and get Qantas tattoos now?
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 24, 2011, 05:08:35 PM
Here is another way to locate the start line. Here is the screencap from the promo......with the benchmark circled.

(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/drrox1/RFF_start.png)

Here is close-up of the benchmark....

(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/drrox1/TAR18startlinebenchmark.jpg)

And here is a map of the location of that particular benchmark. The locations are recorded by the National Geodetic Survey. There are approximately 750,000 benchmarks across the United States. They are very precisely surveyed points. The information they contain is latitude, longitude and elevation above sea level.

(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/drrox1/Benchmark.png)

Thanks to Texas Lady for Images 1 and 3, and to Chateau for Image 2.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on January 24, 2011, 09:42:08 PM
I'm gonna bet CBS never thought we'd figure this one out this precisely without an eyewitness.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Coutzy on January 24, 2011, 09:53:48 PM
I'm gonna bet CBS never thought we'd figure this one out this precisely without an eyewitness.

If they want to stop Cheteau figuring out the startline then perhaps (CBS, are you listening?) STOP HAVING THE STARTING LINE IN LA!!!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 24, 2011, 09:57:48 PM
They were in Palm Springs...so maybe not in California?? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 25, 2011, 07:40:38 AM
I'm gonna bet CBS never thought we'd figure this one out this precisely without an eyewitness.

If they want to stop Cheteau figuring out the startline then perhaps (CBS, are you listening?) STOP HAVING THE STARTING LINE IN LA!!!
Definitely agreed! At least TAR17 mixed things up a bit!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Reilly Queens on January 26, 2011, 12:19:57 AM
I'm gonna bet CBS never thought we'd figure this one out this precisely without an eyewitness.

If they want to stop Cheteau figuring out the startline then perhaps (CBS, are you listening?) STOP HAVING THE STARTING LINE IN LA!!!
Definitely agreed! At least TAR17 mixed things up a bit!

and the magnet attracts them back to the LA area for TAR18 :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: FLFan on January 26, 2011, 04:34:20 PM
I think they went to LA agian, because of the ease of getting to Sydney.

That is probably true.  The flight to Sydney is long enough from LAX without adding additional westward travel in the USA.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: DrRox on January 26, 2011, 05:31:24 PM
As far as US departure cities with direct nonstop flights on Qantas to Sydney.......they could have also started the race in San Francisco or Honolulu, besides LA. Proximity to WRP home base also probably was a factor too in choosing LAX for departure.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: seattlesleuth2 on January 27, 2011, 06:21:59 PM
Wow I haven't been to this site in a few days, you guys are absolutely amazing.  In my next life I want to be a detective and figure these things out, you are so impressive.  Great work!!! :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on January 27, 2011, 06:44:31 PM
No need to wait to your next life...just start small! Search flickr and other photosites, blogs, twitter and facebook often...you never know what you may find!!

But thanks! :kuss:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on January 27, 2011, 07:09:49 PM
Wow I haven't been to this site in a few days, you guys are absolutely amazing.  In my next life I want to be a detective and figure these things out, you are so impressive.  Great work!!! :yess:

You can do it!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on February 01, 2011, 12:19:35 AM
Found a brief mention by this company SnowFever (http://www.snowfever.ch/film_and_photo.html) in Zermatt of their involvement with TAR: (spelling is all theirs lol)

Quote
CBC: The Amazing Race. Local protuction whit over 50 pax

They specialize in helicopter work...skiing and more, and the difficult film shots..

Quote
We grew up in Zermatt and we have full knowledge of the local conditions, the necessary contacts, the history and the region all around Zermatt.
For many years now, we have been working as mountain guides and mountain rescuers for different film and photo shootings.



Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on February 04, 2011, 10:30:04 PM
Our very own RFF G-Man was in Vienna the same time as the teams. Sadly, he did not stumble across them, but sent these photos of what we might see:

From G-Man:

Quote
One source says that the teams had to find a clue at a monument near the Christmas Market. 

The most recognizable monument near the market is that of local icon Wolfgang Amedeus Mozart which is in the Burggarten across from the Christmas Market "Wiener Christkindlmarkt" in front of the Rathaus (Town Hall). 

So here are pix of the locations:

1. Wiener Christkindlmarkt in front of the Rathaus

2. Monument to W. A. Mozart.


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Vienna-Liechtenstein/ChristmasMarketVienna.jpg)


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2018/Vienna-Liechtenstein/MozartinVienna.jpg)




:ty G-Man!!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: theschnauzers on February 04, 2011, 11:45:48 PM
Both seem like good bets in this new era of TAR HD.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: gl14 on February 16, 2011, 11:43:16 AM
via an article from the Associated Press:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110216/ap_en_tv/us_tv_amazing_race18;_ylt=AiC0_EPgX9nayDalqoSYAq9xFb8C;_ylu=X3oDMTJwOHE3cWVhBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwMjE2L3VzX3R2X2FtYXppbmdfcmFjZTE4BHBvcwM5BHNlYwN5bl9hcnRpY2xlX3N1bW1hcnlfbGlzdARzbGsDYW1hemluZ3JhY2Vp (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110216/ap_en_tv/us_tv_amazing_race18;_ylt=AiC0_EPgX9nayDalqoSYAq9xFb8C;_ylu=X3oDMTJwOHE3cWVhBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwMjE2L3VzX3R2X2FtYXppbmdfcmFjZTE4BHBvcwM5BHNlYwN5bl9hcnRpY2xlX3N1bW1hcnlfbGlzdARzbGsDYW1hemluZ3JhY2Vp)

Quote
Several other reality TV shows have been broadcast in HD for years. (CBS' "Survivor" upgraded to HD in 2009.) After years of blaming the expense and challenge of using HD equipment on the road, "Amazing Race" producers made the change for the 18th season, promising crisp images of racers climbing a glacier in Switzerland and interacting with animals in China.

The switcheroo is striking in the premiere episode when 11 teams of veteran contestants who have never won the show's $1 million grand prize set off from a wind farm in Palm Springs, Calif., for sunny Sydney, Australia, where the challenges include diving into a murky shark tank and navigating a 16-foot skiff along the glistening Manly Cove.

"Visually, it will be a much richer show," promised executive producer Bertram van Munster. "We're glad that CBS gave us the greenlight to do this in HD. We didn't do so bad in the regular format. We won the Emmy for best reality television cinematography, but now we can go a little further with our new modern technology on those big beautiful flatscreens."

The move to HD didn't dictate this season's course, said van Munster, which includes stops in Yokohama, Japan; Lijiang and Kunming, China; Kolkata and Varanasi, India; Vienna, Austria; Zermatt, Switzerland; and Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. For the first time, the race will visit Liechtenstein, where teams were tasked with measuring the landlocked country on mo-peds.

"I think one of the great aspects of this race is all the stark contrasts," said Keoghan. "For example, going from Varanasi to Zermatt, you've got this hot, colorful place in Asia then a very cold, snowy place in Europe. The teams that were racing through those countries were able to see the extreme differences, and we're able to show that off in HD."

Several game-changing twists return for the "Unfinished Business" edition. In the premiere, Keoghan informs the players that the last team to arrive on the mat will automatically face a U-turn, forcing the duo to perform both Detour challenges, while first-place finishers will receive the Express Pass, allowing a team to skip one task during the race.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: georgiapeach on February 16, 2011, 11:56:48 AM
Thanks for this one! We had the destinations from spoilers and a previous similar article, but great to see it here too!

Will add it to the Media thread too!!
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Neobie on March 02, 2011, 07:05:19 AM
So I just got back from a quick weekend trip to Zermatt, and although it's pretty difficult to get any information out of official sources, there happened to be no lack of locals who happened to see crazy Americans running around! Granted though, that filming took place three months ago, so I don't have any specific team spoilers. However, I can pinpoint several locations and possibly a few tasks...

(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4561/bzermatt4.jpg)

THE TRAIN STATION
The only feasible way to enter Zermatt is by train, and as we know from Tombc52's spoiler, the train from Liechtenstein involves a change at Zurich and Visp. Teams would have arrived in the evening, with LaKisha/Jennifer scheduled to arrive at 5.34pm. Sunset on 7 Dec is at 4.38pm, so I'd doubt any tasks outside of town for the rest of the first leg. That being said, it seems that there is a task taking place right at the train station itself! More in the next section.

THE LOCAL HOTELS
There seems to have been a task with teams carrying luggage from the train station to hotels around the area. Teams were reportedly running up and down Bahnhofstrasse and Hinterdorfstrasse. Some possible hotels are the Mont Cervin Palace, the Hotel Phoenix and the Hotel Primavera. On another note, production was housed at the Hotel Ambassador, not far from the train station.

THE GLACIERS
Teams were seen performing tasks at Theodulgletscher and Furggsattel. There may have been, on top of the avalanche search task, another task that involved rescuing someone or something from a mountain crevice.

AND ONE MORE LOCATION
This place may have been the Pit Stop, or just a simple Route Marker. Production was seen milling around here for a while, but it's up to you guys to find out what this is!

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7043/kzermatt2.jpg)

Map coming soon...

Neobie, East Asian Bureau
(Temporarily transferred to the Europe desk)
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 02, 2011, 08:01:44 AM
Neobie!!  :jam:

That sign says something about the hundreth anniversary of climbing the Matterhorn dedicated in 1990.
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: milanissimo on March 02, 2011, 08:05:02 AM
I think it's the  Marmots fountain ...right???
It's located near a church...but I don't remeber the name ..:duno: :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Slowhatch on March 02, 2011, 10:03:00 AM
Near the Hotel Excelsior (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/10315276).
Title: Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
Post by: Prophet on March 02, 2011, 10:06:42 AM
Near the Hotel Excelsior (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/10315276).

We were just waiting for the master.  :bow: :crown