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Title: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on October 24, 2010, 12:49:46 AM
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17ep12title.jpg) Thanks to jayruh 1021 for finding the title!!


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FinaleCBSpress.jpg)




ROUTE SUMMARY: Upcoming Episodes
 
EP12: Seoul, South Korea to Los Angeles, CA (USA)

Film Date: JUNE 15
Air Date: DEC 12

Leg Route/Tasks:

ROUTE INFO: Fly to Los Angeles, CA (USA); travel by taxi to Vincent Thomas Bridge (east of LAX)
EVIDENCE: Two teams (?) spotted on flight from Seoul to Los Angeles 6/15; production seen exiting LAX around 8:00am (Source 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21997.msg527953.html#msg527953)), (Source 2 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21997.msg527957.html#msg527957)), (Source 3 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21997.msg569919.html#msg569919)); team in taxi traveling on eastbound 105 (just east of Sepulveda) on promo after EP11 (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg579839.html#msg579839))
TIMING: Taxi on highway between 10:21 and 10:44am (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg579858.html#msg579858))

ROUTE INFO: Board helicopter at Vincent Thomas Bridge; travel to bungee crane task here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg579845.html#msg579845)
EVIDENCE: Overheard phone call (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21980.msg569820.html#msg569820)); promo after EP11 (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg569122.html#msg569122)); photo ID (Source 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580092.html#msg580092)), (Source 2 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580166.html#msg580166))
TIMING: Brook/Claire arrive at helipad between 12:25 and 12:49pm (Source 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580191.html#msg580191)), (Source 2 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580310.html#msg580310))

ROUTE INFO: Bungee crane task here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg579845.html#msg579845)
EVIDENCE: Promo after EP11 (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg569122.html#msg569122))
TIMING: Nat/Kat bungee first; Brook/Claire and Jill/Thomas at task simultaneously, but Jill/Thomas jump first; all teams possibly 5-10 minutes apart (Source 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580291.html#msg580291)), (Source 2 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580310.html#msg580310)), (Source 3 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580312.html#msg580312))

ROUTE INFO: Travel by helicopter to Rose Bowl in Pasadena
EVIDENCE: Promo, photo ID(Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580118.html#msg580118))
TIMING: Nat/Kat arrive at Rose Bowl between 12:56 and 12:59pm (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580158.html#msg580158))

ROUTE INFO: Indoor iPad memory task en route from Pasadena to Beverly Hills?
EVIDENCE: Promo after EP11 (Source 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg569122.html#msg569122)), (Source 2 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580395.html#msg580395)); Brook/Claire in taxi between Pasadena area and Beverly Hills area (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580328.html#msg580328))

FINISH LINE: Travel by taxi to Greystone Mansion in Beverly Hills
EVIDENCE: Promo after EP11 (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg569122.html#msg569122)), Photo ID (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg579859.html#msg579859))

Winners: UNKNOWN

TIMING: Brook/Claire 5 minutes away from Greystone Mansion sometime after 2:18pm (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580383.html#msg580383))



Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on October 24, 2010, 12:50:07 AM
PREVIEW!! Thanks to TL for the video!!



               screencaps are here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg579854.html#msg579854




PROMO!!




               screencaps are here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580114.html#msg580114


PROMO 2!!


            
               screencaps are here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580762.html#msg580762



Short promo! Courtesy of TL!!


Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on October 24, 2010, 12:50:26 AM
*saved*
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on October 24, 2010, 12:50:45 AM
**saved**
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: jayreh1021 on November 24, 2010, 06:48:50 PM
Hi guys, I'm new here. I've been watching you guys work at spoiling TAR 17 and 18 and I'm amazed at all you guys can do, so I want to help as much as I can :tup:

I know this is at the wrong spot but the appropriate thread is locked so I want to temporarily move it here. You can move it to the other thread whenever you like peach.

Anyways I just wanted to put this on cuz I know everybody's hooked with Tar 18 right now. Also if I did anything wrong or u want to tell me something that I should cuz I'm a beginner, plz tell me so so someday I can be as good as you guys :lol:

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on November 24, 2010, 06:51:23 PM
Oops I can already tell I made a mistake... :(

No problem, this is an excellent find!!!!!!  :welcome2: to RFF!!!!
Ask Georgia Peach or Texas Lady to unlock the episode twelve topic.

Since you don't have enough posts to PM I notified them.


Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on November 24, 2010, 06:55:59 PM
Hi guys, I'm new here. I've been watching you guys work at spoiling TAR 17 and 18 and I'm amazed at all you guys can do, so I want to help as much as I can :tup:

 :bigwelcome :welcome: :welcome2: to RFF! That is a fantastic find!  :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: jayreh1021 on November 24, 2010, 06:56:52 PM
Thanks you guys!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on November 24, 2010, 06:57:01 PM
Thank you Jayreh, nice find!!

I will move this to the ep 12 thread, but we aren't ready to unlock it yet. But great to know the title!

:welcome: and you are doing just fine!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: TexasLady on November 24, 2010, 07:11:32 PM
Thanks you guys!

Thank YOU! (Thanks to pr0phet as well.)

Welcome to RFF!

 :welcome: :welcome: :welcome:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 05, 2010, 08:34:36 PM
Helicopters to Long Beach......
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: kwando1313 on December 05, 2010, 08:36:55 PM
Well, looks like a pretty high tech(nicaaaal) memory task this year.

And for the "special surprise about next season..." :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Jobby on December 05, 2010, 08:38:29 PM
Well, looks like a pretty high tech(nicaaaal) memory task this year.

And for the "special surprise about next season..." :lol:

As long as it's not faulty this time round. (*cough* Allstars *cough*)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 05, 2010, 08:42:34 PM
Season 17 is coming to an end already...  :'(
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: florida on December 05, 2010, 09:45:47 PM
Helicopters to Long Beach......

Right under our noses, as usual  :lol:


I totally missed the memory task in the preview. The cranes and bungee-jumping got all the attention  :colors
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 05, 2010, 09:55:56 PM
My HELICOPTERS!!! :hearts:


Re the TAR 17 Finale location.

Some info has come to light:

In Seoul, a production person was overheard on the phone discussing the countdown, and the finale, and the use of THREE helicopters.

While I am very aware that helicopters are used every day for overhead shots, the specification of THREE leads me to wonder if our last three teams were possibly transported by helicopter from LAX to our Finale location? If so, they have a much wider range and could have been outside of LA for the actual finale tasks....


Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 05, 2010, 11:20:51 PM
Preview is UP! Caps to follow!

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg569122.html#msg569122
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 05, 2010, 11:26:39 PM
I'm thinking the helios are not used to get out of LAX.

The preview shows a taxi leaving LAX on the eastbound 105 just east of Sepulveda.

 :(
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 05, 2010, 11:43:47 PM
And in the cab, Nat and Kat have on the same clothes, as in that confessional. So it looks like the post finale confessional.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 05, 2010, 11:55:05 PM
The crane location is here (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&hq=&ll=33.73624,-118.185706&spn=0.001644,0.003484&t=h&z=19). The helicopters are passing by the Vincent Thomas bridge; there's a heliport (http://www.gcmap.com/airport/SPQ) there, but that could just be a scenic shot. No luck yet on the gardens.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: River on December 06, 2010, 12:01:32 AM
Nice job Slowhatch! Looking for gardens...
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: kittygoesmeow on December 06, 2010, 12:17:29 AM
I doubt it's it, but there's a botanical gardens in RPV which is fairly close to the Vincent Thomas bridge (probably 25-30 min).

I don't know if they normally make them do long drives so maybe someone can shed some light on it, but it's 2 hours from Long Beach to Santa Barbara with no traffic (and there's ALWAYS traffic).
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 06, 2010, 12:25:50 AM
CAPS!


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Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: kittygoesmeow on December 06, 2010, 12:29:47 AM
Also: in the preview, the car at 48 seconds is on the 105 E, presumably to the 110 S to LB. You can see PCH going under the runway.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Jobby on December 06, 2010, 12:47:02 AM
I've just gotta say, TAR editors learnt their lessons on the finale preview for once. No images of two finale teams together at the same time to know who's together with who..

AND NO FINISHING LINE RUN DOWN. How many times were we spoiled by that?! :lol:

Makes it harder for the TAR detectives... :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 12:49:04 AM
noted

This shot was taken between 10:21 and 10:45 am (assumes June 15th).

Exactly when I was boarding my flight to Oslo.   :groan:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FINALEpreviewcaps1447-Copy.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: woden on December 06, 2010, 12:51:40 AM
Greystone Mansion, Beverly Hills. (http://www.greystonemansion.org/)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: livingincm on December 06, 2010, 12:55:31 AM
Phil said "It's the season finale you won't wanna miss"

Hahah! This tells me that this season will be the first F/F team to win the race :)

Nat/Kat are so humble.
Brook/Claire is definitely fun to watch.
Jill/Thomas are a team to beat.

My guess is (from the preview), brook/claire won. Hahaha!  :groan:

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: red_sox on December 06, 2010, 12:55:47 AM
This preview seems to spell out the result for me...

Jill & Thomas are shown at the final challenge first.
Nat & Kat are shown at the final challenge second.
Brooke & Claire are shown at the final challenge third.

then...

Jill & Thomas are shown in the cab first.
Nat & Kat are shown in the cab second.
Brooke & Claire are shown in the cab third.


While at the final challenge Jill & Thomas look as though they have found a method & are about to crack it. Nat & Kat look concentrated and on-task. Brooke and Claire look completely lost.

I've done a fair amount of film editing and I'm worried that their editor has done a fairly basic job at this preview, placing teams in the final order but trying to throw people off the scent with a misleading quote from Brooke & Claire "The first female team to ever win" as well as a helicopter "happy-shot", similar to the one of Charla and Mirna used in the All Stars finale preview.

From this trailer I think it's almost certain that Jill and Thomas will win. Nat and Kat will get second. Brooke and Claire will get third.


Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 06, 2010, 12:59:22 AM
Greystone Mansion, Beverly Hills. (http://www.greystonemansion.org/)

WODEN HAS IT!!! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: livingincm on December 06, 2010, 01:00:02 AM
This preview seems to spell out the result for me...

Jill & Thomas are shown at the final challenge first.
Nat & Kat are shown at the final challenge second.
Brooke & Claire are shown at the final challenge third.

then...

Jill & Thomas are shown in the cab first.
Nat & Kat are shown in the cab second.
Brooke & Claire are shown in the cab third.


While at the final challenge Jill & Thomas look as though they have found a method & are about to crack it. Nat & Kat look concentrated and on-task. Brooke and Claire look completely lost.

I've done a fair amount of film editing and I'm worried that their editor has done a fairly basic job at this preview, placing teams in the final order but trying to throw people off the scent with a misleading quote from Brooke & Claire "The first female team to ever win" as well as a helicopter "happy-shot", similar to the one of Charla and Mirna used in the All Stars finale preview.

From this trailer I think it's almost certain that Jill and Thomas will win. Nat and Kat will get second. Brooke and Claire will get third.




Haha that would suck balls if Jill and Thomas won. :( Haha!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 06, 2010, 01:02:22 AM
Quote from: Woden
Greystone Mansion
Nice  :tup:  :jumpy: Sure enough, here's (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdoorly/4226389193/) the arborvitae and the fancy paving.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: red_sox on December 06, 2010, 01:03:24 AM
Also, probably doesn't mean anything... but I'm fairly sure that the cab shot of Jill & Thomas was taken from around an airport/helicopter landing pad... whereas the other two look as though they are in an area near the finish line. This could mean that Jill & Thomas' final taxi ride was not suitable for the trailer- be it because they were acting clearly victorious, or clearly defeated.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 01:04:43 AM
This shot was taken between 1:36 and 1:44 pm (assumes June 15th).

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FINALEpreviewcaps1859-Copy.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: kittygoesmeow on December 06, 2010, 01:05:22 AM
Nice job woden!

If I remember correctly, that finish line should be RIGHT by the parking lot. Probably less than 100 yds from car to finish line.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 01:12:12 AM
Also, probably doesn't mean anything... but I'm fairly sure that the cab shot of Jill & Thomas was taken from around an airport/helicopter landing pad... whereas the other two look as though they are in an area near the finish line. This could mean that Jill & Thomas' final taxi ride was not suitable for the trailer- be it because they were acting clearly victorious, or clearly defeated.

Looks like LAX to me.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 06, 2010, 01:16:46 AM


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FINALEpreviewcaps1901-Copy.jpg)(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17ep12finalelocation2.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 06, 2010, 01:25:49 AM
Nat and Kat sure are smiling in that taxi..........
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 01:26:16 AM
This shot was taken here between 6:15 and 6:57 pm (assumes June 15th).


(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1206.snc4/155817_1740448395189_1358051908_2668785_4112057_n.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Jobby on December 06, 2010, 01:32:59 AM
Phil said "It's the season finale you won't wanna miss"

Hahah! This tells me that this season will be the first F/F team to win the race :)

Nat/Kat are so humble.
Brook/Claire is definitely fun to watch.
Jill/Thomas are a team to beat.

My guess is (from the preview), brook/claire won. Hahaha!  :groan:



Nope. For example in this recent episode, Brooke and Claire were seen to be rafting first before Jill and Thomas in the previews. But in actual fact, Jill and Thomas were actually at the rafting task first.

And since they will be taking cabs for the entire leg (i believe), the cab scenes could be anywhere in the entire leg. So it doesn't really work that way.

As for the finale challenge task in the order teams were shown.. remember it's a memory task. A team that reaches first does not necessarily complete the memory task first. Ken and Tina, Margie and Luke, Eric and Jeremy and Ronald and Christina can all prove this theory right. :lol: Unless it's some lame task like TAR 16 to place the eliminated teams order. :res:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Coutzy on December 06, 2010, 01:43:30 AM
Nat and Kat's cab shot looks an awful lot like Tammy and Victors in the finale of TAR 14. Just sayin'
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: milanissimo on December 06, 2010, 01:58:07 AM
This is my speculation: :(
1)Jill and Thomas :'( :'( :'(
2)Brook and Claire(they say they wanna be the first female winners of tar,so they won't be ...for sure (:;) (:;))
3)Nat and Kat  (because of Nat's   fear of heights...that  task  is impossible)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 06, 2010, 02:35:55 AM
I hope for the race to the Finish Line, they show the Final 3 teams in their taxis, neck and neck (even if they were'nt), with the dramatic music playing and the winners emerging from round the corner and..   :jumpy:
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Post by: Ruth on December 06, 2010, 03:47:10 AM
Oh my goodness I can't say enough how EXCITING this finale is gonna be! Like OH MY GOSH!!!!!!

I don't know, but have they actually hyped up an all-female team winning so much before? TAR 11 had two all-female teams in the finale but I don't recall that there was much hype about it. Whereas for this season, there's been constant talk about having the first all-female team win, and even in the finale, there was special mention of two strong female teams taking on the last man standing. Is the purpose of all this hype to hint that we'll really have our first all-female winners, or just a platform to get us all excited and then set our expectancies to fall? There is so much hype this season, many people are sure that an all-female team will win. (Just look at RFF alone.) Maybe all that hype comes to nothing after all and all of us get surprised for the last time this season...

I just have a sneaky feeling that Jill and Thomas win. I really do. I'm trying to stay grounded, so that when they really win, I won't be too sad with this season. Lol...
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: THEAMAZINGCRACKER on December 06, 2010, 04:00:52 AM
hmm.. i just gonna guess what the final challenge would be..

maybe it would be like TAR: China rush final task, where they would place on a map where their pitstops are?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: GreenNegg on December 06, 2010, 04:55:05 AM
It seems impossible but I have a feeling that they are playing a 'Who wants to be a millionaire?' kind of game? Just maybe.  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 06, 2010, 05:10:23 AM
It seems impossible but I have a feeling that they are playing a 'Who wants to be a millionaire?' kind of game? Just maybe.  :duno:

Good spec.......

I was thinking it was a television studio or a movie set........just didnt get as detailed as you. So maybe the helicopters fly them from Long Beach to Century City or Burbank. ( you LA people know better than I do where the locations might be).....then a taxi to Beverly Hills to the finish line...........
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Post by: David on December 06, 2010, 05:16:56 AM
Gosh. Can't wait!! The promo is just amazing! I can't wait any more second to watch the finale.

Also, Phil's eyebrow for the Finish Line! So, a tough leg, I just hope this is a season to be reminded because of an FF team winning it.

Finally, Nat and Kat don't seem to be happy in their final confessional... That's not good at all.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: mike4lyf on December 06, 2010, 05:20:45 AM
We need a clear freeze frame on Katie and Rachel. If theyre happy, Jill and Thomas won. If they are angry, a F/F team won.

Hmmmm Im so confused, because its looking really good for Nat and Kat & Jill and Thomas, but I really want Brook and Claire to win!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: David on December 06, 2010, 05:43:11 AM
I believe that the shot of all the teams is filmed sometime before the first teams gets to the mat. That's what I think. So katie and rachel's faces won't tell us anything in my opinion.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 06, 2010, 06:00:51 AM
I think that when Claire says "the first all-female team to win The Amazing Race.." in the taxi, they're headed to the Finish Line. So, hopefully, they're in first.  ;)

I also believe that an All-Female team wins the Race, because of how they highlight the fact so much as compared to S11, when we were presented with the same scenario (in terms of 2/3 teams being All-Female), it was hardly mentioned at all. Unless, the producers want to drop a huge bomb at the end after all this build-up.  :(
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Cocoa on December 06, 2010, 07:40:23 AM
Don't overthink the ideas guys. Editing is very powerful. All editing concepts will, in the end, remain concepts. :lol:

Excited for the finale! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 08:23:26 AM
Don't overthink the ideas guys. Editing is very powerful. All editing concepts will, in the end, remain concepts. :lol:

Excited for the finale! :hearts:

Good point Cocoa. Unfortunately there will probably be a lot of overthinking this week...
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: graytex on December 06, 2010, 08:28:38 AM
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FINALEpreviewcaps1147-Copy.jpg)9[IMG]

In this cap you can see 3 sets of bungees.  If that is truly Thomas and Jill on the middle bungee (and I think it is), then it looks like the bungees to their left have already been used, but not the ones to the right.  My guess is they're in second place at this point.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 06, 2010, 08:31:07 AM
In this cap you can see 3 sets of bungees.  If that is truly Thomas and Jill on the middle bungee (and I think it is), then it looks like the bungees to their left have already been used, but not the ones to the right.  My guess is they're in second place at this point.

That's a very plausible speculation.  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 08:32:34 AM
In this cap you can see 3 sets of bungees.  If that is truly Thomas and Jill on the middle bungee (and I think it is), then it looks like the bungees to their left have already been used, but not the ones to the right.  My guess is they're in second place at this point.

That's a very plausible speculation.  :tup:

Definitely! Who do you think is in first?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 06, 2010, 08:38:11 AM
My gut instinct tells me it is Brook & Claire.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Belle Book on December 06, 2010, 08:39:28 AM
I think that when Claire says "the first all-female team to win The Amazing Race.." in the taxi, they're headed to the Finish Line. So, hopefully, they're in first.  ;)

I also believe that an All-Female team wins the Race, because of how they highlight the fact so much as compared to S11, when we were presented with the same scenario (in terms of 2/3 teams being All-Female), it was hardly mentioned at all. Unless, the producers want to drop a huge bomb at the end after all this build-up.  :(

I wondered if there was any real mention of two all-female teams in Season 11 possibly being the first all-female team to win!  So I'm definitely holding out hope that an all-female team wins!  Also, Nat & Kat do seem pretty happy in their taxi cab shot, which might be on the way to the Finish Line.  So I'm holding out hope that an all-female team wins and that it's Nat & Kat!   :yess:

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 08:40:13 AM
My gut instinct tells me it is Brook & Claire.

I tend to agree.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Ruth on December 06, 2010, 08:43:37 AM
For some reason, everyone thinks Nat and Kat are gonna win (at least, most people do). I'm thinking that the end result wouldn't be so obvious. And it doesn't bode well that Jill and Thomas are in second place at the bungee (if they really are). Because based on past seasons, the second-place team is usually the team that catches up at the final task and wins it all! But well, I don't wanna think too much also. I already can't wait for the finale lol.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 06, 2010, 09:00:15 AM
All the mat shots were deliberately blurred.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 09:04:38 AM
For some reason, everyone thinks Nat and Kat are gonna win (at least, most people do). I'm thinking that the end result wouldn't be so obvious. And it doesn't bode well that Jill and Thomas are in second place at the bungee (if they really are). Because based on past seasons, the second-place team is usually the team that catches up at the final task and wins it all! But well, I don't wanna think too much also. I already can't wait for the finale lol.

This did not happen last season. Dan and Jordan were ahead the whole time.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 09:04:56 AM
All the mat shots were deliberately blurred.


Of course!  (:;)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Jobby on December 06, 2010, 09:07:16 AM
...people, stop speculating. :)

But then again... it's the finale. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 09:10:20 AM
...people, stop speculating. :)

But then again... it's the finale. :lol:

What else is this topic for? The over thinking can get irritating but everyone is just excited. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 10:06:21 AM
 :colealert:
Everyone...don't forget to watch the finale this week to hear a special announcement regarding the next race!  :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Cocoa on December 06, 2010, 10:11:18 AM
:colealert:
Everyone...don't forget to watch the finale this week to hear a special announcement regarding the next race!  :lol3:

Not everyone knows about it, so it might be :colealert: for you (and us), but for others (especially who don't like to dwell on spoilers), it might be :o and :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 10:19:18 AM
:colealert:
Everyone...don't forget to watch the finale this week to hear a special announcement regarding the next race!  :lol3:

Not everyone knows about it, so it might be :colealert: for you (and us), but for others (especially who don't like to dwell on spoilers), it might be :o and :hearts:

I never spoiled anything for anybody.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Jobby on December 06, 2010, 10:30:31 AM
:colealert:
Everyone...don't forget to watch the finale this week to hear a special announcement regarding the next race!  :lol3:

Not everyone knows about it, so it might be :colealert: for you (and us), but for others (especially who don't like to dwell on spoilers), it might be :o and :hearts:

I never spoiled anything for anybody.

Nobody said you did.

I for one know of a few friends who watch the show but do not know of an all-stars yet. They searched online for a special announcement and guess where the search led them to... :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 10:33:54 AM
:colealert:
Everyone...don't forget to watch the finale this week to hear a special announcement regarding the next race!  :lol3:

Not everyone knows about it, so it might be :colealert: for you (and us), but for others (especially who don't like to dwell on spoilers), it might be :o and :hearts:

I never spoiled anything for anybody.

Nobody said you did.

I for one know of a few friends who watch the show but do not know of an all-stars yet. They searched online for a special announcement and guess where the search led them to... :lol:

 :werock:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 12:08:43 PM
What about the issue of Nat probably being terrified to do the bungee jump?  :o :o I wonder if multiple teams can jump at once.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Mandoli on December 06, 2010, 01:39:26 PM
Is it okay for me to chime in with my two cents?

Heart says Brook/Claire or Nat/Kat will win, because it's about damn time for a F/F team to win.
Gut feeling says Jill/Thomas will win, because my heart is almost never right. :P

So... This "finale you don't want to miss" could mean anything.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: hufter on December 06, 2010, 01:40:07 PM
What about the issue of Nat probably being terrified to do the bungee jump? 

That might be an obstacle, but I think she forces herself to do it, she is in TAR finale after all.
I speculate we get to hear her scream. Loud!  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 01:43:36 PM
Is it okay for me to chime in with my two cents?

Heart says Brook/Claire or Nat/Kat will win, because it's about damn time for a F/F team to win.
Gut feeling says Jill/Thomas will win, because my heart is almost never right. :P

So... This "finale you don't want to miss" could mean anything.

Of course you can tell us your two cents! Good analysis.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: mike4lyf on December 06, 2010, 03:00:43 PM
This could be the most exciting finale ever. Most of the time we get 1 likeable team in the final. This time weve got 2, and NO ONE (well almost) wants a f/f team to lose again!!

PLEASE Brook and Claire <33333

I am so excited!! ARGH!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: milanissimo on December 06, 2010, 03:01:44 PM
There is a new promo
The Amazing Race - Hi I'm Sorry I'm in A Race


The final teams race to the final checkpoint, will an all female team finally win the race find out on the season finale of The Amazing Race.

They continue to repeat a female team...I don't know. :duno: :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: BK_amazing_race on December 06, 2010, 03:03:42 PM
If the roadblock limit is still used, Jill, Claire, and either Nat or Kat will do the final roadblock.  Nat and Kat are both at 5 due to the use of the fast forward earlier in the race.  I think that Jill and Claire being weaker then their partners yet having to do the roadblock could make a difference in the final outcome of the race.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: north09 on December 06, 2010, 03:14:16 PM
I can't say I'd be unhappy with any of the remaining three winning. Maybe it's because I've known about this for a while that it gave me a chance to appriciate them equally as the race went on. I picked Thomas & Jill pre-show as the team that would win it, so despite my appriciation for an all female team winning this after so long, I still have to go with them. My next choice would be Nat & Kat. From past racing experiance and the promo, I see it going Thomas & Jill, Nat & Kat, Brook & Claire.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: milanissimo on December 06, 2010, 03:17:23 PM
Jill is very fitful...  so..Jill and Thomas are in top 2....close to  the finish line...
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 03:23:29 PM
There is a new promo
The Amazing Race - Hi I'm Sorry I'm in A Race


The final teams race to the final checkpoint, will an all female team finally win the race find out on the season finale of The Amazing Race.

They continue to repeat a female team...I don't know. :duno: :duno:

Thanks!!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 03:24:58 PM
Here it is:


Thanks to milanissimo for the find.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 03:27:13 PM
Quick analysis:
1. They are still pushing the FF team to win thing.
2. They focused mostly on the bungee jumping. Nat's fears are revealed.
3. It appears that BC and JT are in a taxi race to the finish, but who knows?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 03:34:07 PM
Brooke & Claire are flying in a Bell 206. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_206)  The location and direction suggest that they took off from Torrence Airport and are going to the joined bungee swing challenge.

<added later:  wrong bird, Slowhatch id'd it as a Eurocopter AS-350B2>

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Chc_bell_206.jpg/300px-Chc_bell_206.jpg)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FINALEpreviewcaps1239-Copy.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: milanissimo on December 06, 2010, 03:35:04 PM
Quick analysis:
1. They are still pushing the FF team to win thing.
For this reason I Think N/k and B/C won't win...would be too obvious

However In the cab Nat is calling someone by phone (this remind me cara/jaime in the last leg)...probably their taxi driver doesn't know the location.....and this is no good... :(
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 03:37:16 PM
Brooke & Claire are flying in a Bell 206. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_206)  The location and direction suggest that they took off from Torrence Airport and are going to the joined bungee swing challenge.


Check out the new promo. There is a different copter in a different location. It could confirm your theory.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: milanissimo on December 06, 2010, 03:39:08 PM
And Brook and Claire and Jill/Thomas...stay at the same time  on tower
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 03:42:08 PM
And Brook and Claire and Jill/Thomas...stay at the same time  on tower

I'm not even sure if NK are close to the other two.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: florida on December 06, 2010, 03:43:59 PM
It seems impossible but I have a feeling that they are playing a 'Who wants to be a millionaire?' kind of game? Just maybe.  :duno:

Good spec.......

I was thinking it was a television studio or a movie set........just didnt get as detailed as you. So maybe the helicopters fly them from Long Beach to Century City or Burbank. ( you LA people know better than I do where the locations might be).....then a taxi to Beverly Hills to the finish line...........

I took what you said and did some light researching (heh) and Bob Hope (Burbank) Airport could be plausible. They did sign an agreement with Briles to Fly LA helicopters http://www.toflyla.com/ back in May 2010 and those helicopters have the same colorations as the one in the preview but I'm unsure if the colors of helicopters have anything to do with their respective companies. Briles also has an agreement with Van Nuys, but Bob Hope seems less busy and more inconspicuous.

If they fly helicopters into the port area, this company also has a listing in Hawthorne.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 03:45:35 PM
Are they (http://www.answers.com/topic/francis-gary-powers) kidding?:

Quote
Fatal crash

Francis Gary Powers died in 1977 in an accident. He was 47 years old. He had been covering bush fires in Santa Barbara County. As he returned, his Bell Jet Ranger helicopter, registered N4TV, ran out of fuel and crashed in the Sepulveda Dam Recreation Area several miles short of Burbank Airport.[6]

Powers was survived by his wife, two children, Dee and Francis Gary Powers Jr., and his five sisters. Powers is buried in Arlington National Cemetery as an Air Force veteran.[6][7]

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Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 03:51:36 PM
Are they (http://www.answers.com/topic/francis-gary-powers) kidding?:

Quote
Fatal crash

Francis Gary Powers died in 1977 in an accident. He was 47 years old. He had been covering bush fires in Santa Barbara County. As he returned, his Bell Jet Ranger helicopter, registered N4TV, ran out of fuel and crashed in the Sepulveda Dam Recreation Area several miles short of Burbank Airport.[6]

Powers was survived by his wife, two children, Dee and Francis Gary Powers Jr., and his five sisters. Powers is buried in Arlington National Cemetery as an Air Force veteran.[6][7]

Well that's different. How did you make the connection?

Do they reassign those numbers?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 03:54:41 PM
Charter company mystery solved!

According to Airport Data that tail # is owned by  this company (http://www.coastalcopters.com/helicopter-charter.php)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 03:59:15 PM
Hmmm... small problem here. The N4TV chopper registered to Coastal is a Eurocopter AS 350 B2.

The Bell 206 with that number is registered to National Broadcasting Company in Burbank. ???
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 04:31:39 PM
Here is where they get in the choppers:  By the bridge  :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 04:34:13 PM
Another view
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: sofiaj.10 on December 06, 2010, 04:55:28 PM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1206.snc4/155817_1740448395189_1358051908_2668785_4112057_n.jpg

i know someone already posted this photo but if you look here
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1206.snc4/155817_1740448395189_1358051908_2668785_4112057_n.jpg
you find out it is in greystone mansion (FINAL SPOT!!!)

can you tell anything from their faces?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 06, 2010, 04:57:10 PM
Here is where they get in the choppers:  By the bridge  :groan:

Are you sure it's not where they get off? I thought the bungee was near the bridge.

*edit*

Here's a map, thanks slowhatch.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: furybaby on December 06, 2010, 05:01:38 PM
the preview is all suspenseful but somehow.. i would be really mad if
Jill and Thomas won...  really.  B:)

In the promo, it looks like this:
J/T - first or second
it looks like Jill and Thomas arrives first in the jump or second, their faces
tell me they are not third...

B/C - first, second, OR third. likely second

in the taxi, brook is stressed out about what place there are in,
problably on the way to pit stop?

N/K - LIKELY third
because of the taxi problem and Nat saying: "Hi, I'm in a race for a lot of money"
Nat has a fear of heights, making it difficult and lots of challenges.

JUST ONCE: LET A F/F TO WIN  :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 06, 2010, 05:06:59 PM
I could'nt watch the promo vid, but based on what furybaby wrote, Nat says the title?  :wohoo:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 05:15:01 PM
I've found a good conceptual match to the chopper dropoff spot:   El Toro Airbase

It has the right shadow orientation wrt to some hills.  Looking for that small building ...

It has lots of big abandoned hangars where inside it looks like they are doing the mind task.




Never Mind!  see later post
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 05:18:36 PM
This is inside an old El Toro hangar (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/587661)

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/587661.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 05:40:47 PM
And we've got Nat & Kat in Pasadena  :ascared   :lol:   (right under my nose!)    :lol:

(http://pasadenanow.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/newdog.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 06, 2010, 05:43:14 PM
Dayum! You guys are good.  :tup:  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 06, 2010, 05:44:08 PM
CAPS! I enlarged these and lost some resolution...if you need clearer smaller ones, please let me know.


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Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: mike4lyf on December 06, 2010, 06:15:16 PM
So if its out of B/C and J/T I see B/C winning. If N/K and B/C, I see N/K winning. Same with if it is out of N/K and J/T.

This is because I really think a f/f team will win. Brook and Claire please please please!!
 :wohoo: :hearts: This is sooooo intense D:

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 06:19:47 PM
I take it back!  The choppers don't land at El Toro!

They land at The Rose Bowl  Right Under My Nose   :lol:

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 06:27:21 PM
The helicopter drop off shot was Here:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 06, 2010, 06:29:23 PM
Go Chateau!! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: 2old4tech on December 06, 2010, 06:35:19 PM
It looks like B/C are at the bungee at the same time as J/T.

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: redskevin88 on December 06, 2010, 06:35:42 PM
Oh yeah, and if Brook & Claire or Nat & Kat win, they are not the first all-female team to win, they are like the fourth all-female team. Zabrina & Joe Jer where the first all-female team, winning the first TARA, someone told me the Brazilian TAR winners were also all-female, and Charla/Mirna where the REAL all-star winners.

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 06:39:59 PM
Go Chateau!! :hearts:

I was literally running laps around the Rose Bowl from June 1st to June 14th.  Guess what I was doing on June 15th?   :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 06, 2010, 06:44:34 PM
Oh yeah, and if Brook & Claire or Nat & Kat win, they are not the first all-female team to win, they are like the fourth all-female team. Zabrina & Joe Jer where the first all-female team, winning the first TARA, someone told me the Brazilian TAR winners were also all-female, and Charla/Mirna where the REAL all-star winners.

 :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: redskevin88 on December 06, 2010, 06:50:13 PM
Oh yeah, and if Brook & Claire or Nat & Kat win, they are not the first all-female team to win, they are like the fourth all-female team. Zabrina & Joe Jer where the first all-female team, winning the first TARA, someone told me the Brazilian TAR winners were also all-female, and Charla/Mirna where the REAL all-star winners.

 :hearts:

 
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: mike4lyf on December 06, 2010, 06:57:12 PM
It looks like B/C are at the bungee at the same time as J/T.



Awesome breakthrough!! This could really help!!

Fantastic discovery!! :hearts: :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 06, 2010, 07:08:42 PM
Good job finding the Rose Bowl, Chateau...........I was thinking what a long taxi ride it would be from El Toro back to Beverly Hills...........
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 07:20:01 PM
Thanks Rox!


WRP you are going to drive me crazy:   :lol:

I know I have seen this street before!   :crazy:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FINALEpreviewcaps1728-Copy.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Belle Book on December 06, 2010, 07:25:45 PM
the preview is all suspenseful but somehow.. i would be really mad if
Jill and Thomas won...  really.  B:)

In the promo, it looks like this:
J/T - first or second
it looks like Jill and Thomas arrives first in the jump or second, their faces
tell me they are not third...

B/C - first, second, OR third. likely second

in the taxi, brook is stressed out about what place there are in,
problably on the way to pit stop?

N/K - LIKELY third
because of the taxi problem and Nat saying: "Hi, I'm in a race for a lot of money"
Nat has a fear of heights, making it difficult and lots of challenges.

JUST ONCE: LET A F/F TO WIN  :hearts:

Wait a minute -- with only a few exceptions, since Season 5 either the winning team or Phil Keoghan says the quote of the finale.  Nat said a quote which was pretty similar to the finale one, which is "Hi.  I'm sorry.  I'm in a Race."  What if Nat was the one that said the finale quote?  That might mean she & Kat win it all after all!  Okay, it's just hope on my part but still it's better than nothing.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: power4 on December 06, 2010, 07:40:33 PM
(Hey--I usually just lurk around here, it's amazing to see what you guys can do!)

Regarding speakers of finale quotes, from seasons 6-9, Phil said the title himself, so I think it's safe to consider the current trend from season 10 onward only. Season 11, the title, Low to the Ground, That's My Technique, was quite obviously said by Charla, so it would have been too obvious as a "winner-revealer." Then, Season 14, the title actually referenced losing the race--which the speaker (Jaime) went on to do. Then, Season 15, the speaker was a non-racer. All other seasons (10, 12, 13, 16), the title was either random or referenced the race/finishing it directly, and did not obviously give the speaker away--and the speaker went on to win.

This title falls in the latter category, so if titles mean anything (which we obviously can't assume they do), this one suggests that the speaker goes on to win. (And if Nat does indeed say it, I sure hope the titles mean something!)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prama on December 06, 2010, 07:47:46 PM
Had anyone posted this yet?

THE REMAINING THREE TEAMS TACKLE THE FINAL LEG IN THEIR QUEST FOR THE ONE MILLION DOLLAR PRIZE, ON "THE AMAZING RACE," SUNDAY, DEC. 12
 
Teammates Brook and Claire and Nat and Kat Shoot for History as They Attempt to Become the First All-Female Team to Win "The Amazing Race"

"Hi. I'm Sorry. I'm in a Race." (Los Angeles) - The final three teams soar to new heights over Southern California, competing in the final leg for a shot at the million-dollar prize and, for two teams, the chance to become the first ever all-female team to win the series, on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, Dec. 12 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.  Phil Keoghan is host.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 06, 2010, 07:57:55 PM
I think you were right the first time, Prophet. N4TV is a Eurocopter AS 350 (photo source page (http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N4TV.html)). The other helos in the promo have a paint job that doesn't quite match the rest of the owner's (Coastal Aircharter) fleet, though.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: red_sox on December 06, 2010, 08:07:15 PM
It does seem that the promos are placing unusual emphasis on the possibility of a female team finally winning... of course it could just be hype, setting the audience up for a disappointment- but would production want to do that? Surely if J/T win, they'd be putting a bit more of a spin on their journey.

Regardless, I haven't been this genuinely excited for a finale ever on TAR... I'm just hoping that for ONCE my favorite team will win. Charla Mirna... Ron and Chris... Margie and Luke.. I always get so close!


C'mon Brooke and Claire!
(Although I still have a sinking feeling it will be J/T)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: livingincm on December 06, 2010, 08:14:59 PM
It does seem that the promos are placing unusual emphasis on the possibility of a female team finally winning... of course it could just be hype, setting the audience up for a disappointment- but would production want to do that? Surely if J/T win, they'd be putting a bit more of a spin on their journey.

Regardless, I haven't been this genuinely excited for a finale ever on TAR... I'm just hoping that for ONCE my favorite team will win. Charla Mirna... Ron and Chris... Margie and Luke.. I always get so close!


C'mon Brooke and Claire!
(Although I still have a sinking feeling it will be J/T)

Sobsob yeah i have a feeling that it wld be J/T too.
But, i've cracked a code.

One way to see if either brook/claire or nat/kat won the race is to try to spot the expression on Katie/rachel's face at the finishing line.
:)

A happy expression - J/T
A shit face - B/C or N/K :P

Anyone wanna give it a shot? hahaha!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: 2old4tech on December 06, 2010, 08:21:40 PM
N4TV ????

Looks like the Channel 4 (NBC-LA) chopper to me.
(maybe one of its former lives)



Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: furybaby on December 06, 2010, 08:47:48 PM


One way to see if either brook/claire or nat/kat won the race is to try to spot the expression on Katie/rachel's face at the finishing line.
:)

A happy expression - J/T
A shit face - B/C or N/K :P

Anyone wanna give it a shot? hahaha!

HAH XD
But too bad i think on the previewthey're not lines up on the right side where Phil was, they zoomed
past the left side i think (or right) and that's probably where Rachel and Katie was XD
Didnt want to see the face :PP
Brook and Claire FTW <33
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 08:49:17 PM
This shot was taken between 12:56 and 12:59 pm (assumes June 15th).

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: TarJunkie999 on December 06, 2010, 08:53:51 PM
 :lol:  According to the internet, "Not Responsible For Goods Left Over ?? Days" signs are mostly found in cleaners, laundries, and shoe repair shops.   :lol3:   :duno:  carry on...  :res:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 08:56:13 PM
It's a 23 minute drive from LAX to the helio pickup location:  Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Los+Angeles+International+Airport+(LAX),+W+Century+Blvd,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90045&daddr=Swinford+St&geocode=FRntBQIdnknx-Clxde0pJrHCgDF_vB9oGOvCNQ%3BFUr6AgIdMEPz-A&gl=us&hl=en&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=15&sll=33.746717,-118.282542&sspn=0.042607,0.033689&ie=UTF8&ll=33.886377,-118.327904&spn=0.340299,0.269508&z=12)

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 06, 2010, 09:03:26 PM
Quote from: 2old4tech
maybe one of its former lives
Not a former life, but a former paint job. Check out this page (http://www.packofseven.com/tvnt/showthread.php?t=1807), and esp. this post:
Quote from: ABC7 Los Angeles
KNBC's helicopter is owned by Coastal Helicopters and is leased to them. Coastal helicopters is partially owned by KABC's pilot/reporter, Scott Reiff. KNBC's helicopter doesn't even have an NBC4 paintjob, its just a plain white A-Star.
(Also on page 2 of the forum there are some neat pictures of the helo video gear).
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 09:11:33 PM
The first leg of the helicopter is 5 miles to the bungee swing.  Call that 5 minutes long since it is short.


Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 09:20:23 PM
Then they do the swing for 20 minutes.

And then a 30 mile flight to the Rose Bowl.  If the helicopter goes 100 mph it will get there in 18 min.

So if they move without wasting time we could expect them to land in Pasadena at:

                          low est  hi est
LAX                    10:21    10:45
arrive at helios  10:40     11:10
TO                     10:50     11:30
arrive at crane  10:54     11:36
finis bungee      11:14     12:06
TO                     11:19     12:16
ar Pasadena     11:37     12:46
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 09:24:49 PM
Quote from: 2old4tech
maybe one of its former lives
Not a former life, but a former paint job. Check out this page (http://www.packofseven.com/tvnt/showthread.php?t=1807), and esp. this post:
Quote from: ABC7 Los Angeles
KNBC's helicopter is owned by Coastal Helicopters and is leased to them. Coastal helicopters is partially owned by KABC's pilot/reporter, Scott Reiff. KNBC's helicopter doesn't even have an NBC4 paintjob, its just a plain white A-Star.
(Also on page 2 of the forum there are some neat pictures of the helo video gear).

Slowhatch, you always find the good stuff.  So why does this chopper have Gary Power's fin number?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 06, 2010, 09:26:03 PM
I was going to say that it is possible they used the TV station helicopter to film the other three........but I think you guys beat me to it.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: .Destiny on December 06, 2010, 09:31:16 PM
So, because I've watched the promo/preview like a million times now and have interpreted it in a billion different ways, I have come to the conclusion that I'll drive myself crazy trying to figure out who wins, but I'm going to do it anyways.

My hopes:
1. Nat/Kat
2. Brooke/Claire
3. Jill/Thomas
^ If that actually happens, or if NK and BC switch positions, I'll be like  :hearts: :jumpy: :wohoo: :yess:

The only real sort of gut feeling I'm getting is that they are going to make it super-dramatic, but that eventually J/T are 2nd. But the weird thing is that I can see both N/K and B/C NOT winning for several different reasons, which conflicts with my J/T being 2nd gut feeling-thing. Which pretty much means my MIND IS FILLED WITH PARADOXES!

But it does sort of seem, from the very finely edited promo and preview, that Brooke/Claire may have the "cleaner" run with regards to taxis, directions, etc. But of course, that's from what we've seen. It all really does come down to the tasks, and of course that memory challenge.

At the same time, I feel like Brooke/Claire didnt win. I know it's not much to go by but it just doesn't seem like they've been enthusiastic in post-race stuff, including youtube vids they've been in, lack of FB page, etc. Both J/T and N/K have a FB page, but N/K's posts are generally more..."happy" and "cheery" and "go team blue!-y", even recently posting "Down to the final 3!!! Woot Woot!! :) Tune in Sunday Dec 12th on CBS to see who wins Season 17! Go Team Blue!" Like, would someone post that to be like "tune in on sunday to watch us lose! go team blue!"? I don't know, they probably would, but it just seems a bit un-level when it comes to enthusiasm. And J/T haven't even posted the preview or promo to Sunday's ep on their FB.

So along with the hype about a F/F team to win, what we've seen thus far from the promo/preview and just sort of other random things, my guess is the following will be the result:

1. Nat/Kat
2. Jill/Thomas
3. Brooke/Claire
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 06, 2010, 09:38:48 PM
Hard to say. Here's the history (http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=4TV). Powers crashed the Bell in 1977 but "N4TV" wasn't deregistered until 1984. It's a black hole between 1984 and 2002, when the N-number is re-assigned to the Eurostar. The paint job on the "bridge" helos sort of resembles the Coastal fleet (below), but not enough for a match.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: connayyy on December 06, 2010, 09:49:02 PM
Hey! I'm new here, just thought I'd post a speculation.

From the pictures on the first page, it looks like Nat & Kat are last to arrive at the bridge task, it appears to be darker in the cap of them, while the sky is clear and it looks like early morning when J/T and B/C are at it.

I do think that an F/F team will win because of the hype about an all female team having a good chance. It just doesn't make sense to me why they would create so much hype only to disappoint us...it's possible but it's not very good marketing to me.

J/T seems like the strongest team to me, but for some reason I don't think they'll win. Or maybe I'm just hoping...? I like J/T but I want to see an all female team win. :jam:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 06, 2010, 10:08:35 PM
The only two words I can think of that start with M and end with SHI are Maharishi (doubtful) and Mitsubishi, which loads bulk cement at Pier F--not on Pier J (crane location). ???
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 10:18:27 PM
Not only are Brooke & Claire the last to get a chopper (GE shows there pads, shot show one chopper) but they are way late!

This shot was taken between 12:41 and 12:49 pm (assumes June 15th).

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23566.0;attach=170697;image)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 06, 2010, 11:08:47 PM
Chateau.......

I just wonder where you think this photo was taken.......it appears to me that Thomas is looking up at something.......and Jill is hiding her eyes. He could be looking at the Vicent Thomas bridge, by the heliport.....but why would Jill hide her eyes. Could it be that they are at the container ship crane......ie...take taxi to crane.......do tandem bungee....then go to heliport and fly back to Pasadena.........I know well enough not to question you about your town......just wondered what you think.

(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/drrox1/TAR17FinalePROMOcaps0372.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: mswood on December 06, 2010, 11:17:55 PM
Well at least for the first time in a long time I actually think that the three teams in the finale are the best racers of the season.  And I like all three teams.  No one has been rude to locals, mean spirited to other teams, and while Brook and THomas have pushed their partner, neither has been offensive about it (in fact really besides Nick we have seen little of that this season, Thank You!).

Out of the three teams I think I would prefer Jill and Thomas win as they have won as many legs and all of theirs have been legs that equalized teams, they also have been a little more consistent then Nat & Kat.   But all three teams have performed fairly well and not only done that been unlike last season I really felt these teams were really racing almost every single leg.

My only problem with Jill and Thomas is that sometimes they are too quick to jump from one task to the other.

WIth Nat & Kat I like that they are fairly level headed, and keep their cool.  But out of the three teams they also appear (and this is probably just appearances based on their calmer personality) to be the team that doesn't push themselves as hard as the other two teams (again this is probably more due to personality then just taking it easy).

Brook & Claire push, but they also can be erratic, and they are the one team of the three that's personality is over the top.  I am not an over the top person in life, and as such I have a little harder time attaching myself to people on tv who are over the top.  I also in general don't like them casting teams in the media.  Part of that is just my general dislike on the principle of hiring people who work in tv.  But on a game playing level, my distaste is more on those who can use their media career to get an additional level of assistance based on who they are (Rob & Amber, Globetrotters, even Maria & Tiffany) since no one has recognized them, that aspect doesn't bother me on how they have done of the race.

On the ads for the finale they have really pushed the female teams aspect, so I would be surprised if one of the women teams didn't win (and of course the odds are certainly there).  Though I think its funning that I think Allstars and perhaps even season ten had more focus on women possibly winning during the actual Mat footage during the various episodes of the season then this one has had.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Heliox on December 06, 2010, 11:25:15 PM
I think the most telling thing in the preview is in the interviews. J/T say  something like they will win or deserve to win. B/C saying they want to win, and Nat/Kat saying that it would be an honor to win. TAR still likes to have karma rule and honor be king, so I think based on that bit of editing, N/K are the winners. But then again, I am biased hugely by all the online spec that has been going on as well.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 06, 2010, 11:50:03 PM
Chateau.......

I just wonder where you think this photo was taken.......it appears to me that Thomas is looking up at something.......and Jill is hiding her eyes. He could be looking at the Vicent Thomas bridge, by the heliport.....but why would Jill hide her eyes. Could it be that they are at the container ship crane......ie...take taxi to crane.......do tandem bungee....then go to heliport and fly back to Pasadena.........I know well enough not to question you about your town......just wondered what you think.

(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/drrox1/TAR17FinalePROMOcaps0372.jpg)

I suspect they made a wrong turn near the helipad and got funneled into the container yard.  This may have been preceded by mistakenly crossing the VT bridge because they missed the exit.  Very easy to do.  I got mixed up down there the first time I went to find the start point for Season 7.  It's crazy.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Lpadres on December 07, 2010, 12:33:30 AM
Hey! I'm new here, just thought I'd post a speculation.

From the pictures on the first page, it looks like Nat & Kat are last to arrive at the bridge task, it appears to be darker in the cap of them, while the sky is clear and it looks like early morning when J/T and B/C are at it.

I do think that an F/F team will win because of the hype about an all female team having a good chance. It just doesn't make sense to me why they would create so much hype only to disappoint us...it's possible but it's not very good marketing to me.

J/T seems like the strongest team to me, but for some reason I don't think they'll win. Or maybe I'm just hoping...? I like J/T but I want to see an all female team win. :jam:

I am new here to! I actually live in the SoCal/LA region, and if this was filmed in June, then Nat and Kat may be in the lead! SoCal has a lot of June Gloom. This means in the morning of almost evry day in June, it's foggy and miserable! Later on in the day however, it brightens up! So maybe Nat and Kat are actually in the lead! I would like that!!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: fairwind on December 07, 2010, 12:43:50 AM
Not only are Brooke & Claire the last to get a chopper (GE shows there pads, shot show one chopper) but they are way late!

This shot was taken between 12:41 and 12:49 pm (assumes June 15th).

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23566.0;attach=170697;image)

 :'( :'( :'( You mean they are not the winner???  
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Jobby on December 07, 2010, 12:49:16 AM
Imagine if all these comes down to a cab race in the end. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: theschnauzers on December 07, 2010, 12:54:20 AM
I'm not picking any team, and I haven't at all this season, but I would love to see a close finish (like TAR 2) where all three teams are in sight of the finish mat at the same time. We haven't had one that close since TAR 2, and that is surprising.

If you look at my analysis of placement averages, these final three teams have the closest averages going into the final leg ever. And there are the top three teams. So that sort of finish would be entirely fair and appropriate.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: mike4lyf on December 07, 2010, 12:58:22 AM
Not only are Brooke & Claire the last to get a chopper (GE shows there pads, shot show one chopper) but they are way late!

This shot was taken between 12:41 and 12:49 pm (assumes June 15th).

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23566.0;attach=170697;image)

 :'( :'( :'( You mean they are not the winner???  
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( How do you know the times of the pictures anyway? Thanks
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Cocoa on December 07, 2010, 02:22:39 AM
It's a TAR Detecive secret, I think? :lol:

I think Chateau has incredible skills in "predicting" (not the exact word, but I can't find any suitable) the time by using maps, weather stuff, which we won't understand that much. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Jobby on December 07, 2010, 03:04:33 AM
Shadows.

There are programs which detects a shadow's angle and direction in a picture and if you have the correct inputs such as the sunrise/sunset of the day and which particular day is it, you'll get the estimated time of the day as shown in the picture. That is why it is very important to keep track of the exact day and time of the race so that such detective work such as playing with shadows will work.

Of course again, Chateau has a talented flair with shadows.. :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 07, 2010, 04:02:26 AM
Thanks for the reply Chateau......yeah it is crazy place down there......When I was looking on GE of that area, it reminded me of Carl Sagan......

Chateau is not called the "Prince of the Protractor" for nothing.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 07:14:14 AM
I could'nt watch the promo vid, but based on what furybaby wrote, Nat says the title?  :wohoo:

It sounds like Nat says it.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: kiki on December 07, 2010, 08:14:32 AM
On the subject of the bungee jumping, if we assume that JT were second in the middle jumping position and the position on the left as we see it, was already used then BC has to be first because we see in a picture of Thomas something pink behind him (see a previous post) and also because on the pictures posted by Peach on the first post we see behind BC and on their left a rock formation in the sea that we don't see it in the rest.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 08:16:23 AM
I wonder where this is... could it be related to that room J/T are in

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FinalePROMOcaps0325.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 08:26:04 AM
There is no reason to believe BC did not win just b\c they were racing to the choppers an hour before the finish line vid was recorded.

What do you think they are doing at the Rose Bowl?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 08:33:04 AM
I think you were right the first time, Prophet. N4TV is a Eurocopter AS 350 (photo source page (http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N4TV.html)). The other helos in the promo have a paint job that doesn't quite match the rest of the owner's (Coastal Aircharter) fleet, though.

Thanks slowhatch!

It was confusing since B/C were in a Bell 206 and there is a Bell 206 with that number. I guess they are using Coastal then?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: red_sox on December 07, 2010, 09:06:35 AM
Just going through all the points made so far and I think I've connected a couple of dots.

In the shot of the bridge, as J/T are falling, it appears that the bungee on their left has already been used.

In another shot of J/T before they jump, it appears that B/C are on their right, waiting to jump.

This suggests that N/K are the first to complete their jump and have left before either other team jumps.


So after the jump we have N/K in 1st, J/T in 2nd and B/C in 3rd.

 :(

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 09:07:35 AM
Just going through all the points made so far and I think I've connected a couple of dots.

In the shot of the bridge, as J/T are falling, it appears that the bungee on their left has already been used.

In another shot of J/T before they jump, it appears that B/C are on their right, waiting to jump.

This suggests that N/K are the first to complete their jump and have left before either other team jumps.


So after the jump we have N/K in 1st, J/T in 2nd and B/C in 3rd.
 :(



Not necessarily. Although since NK appear to be at the Rose Bowl when BC are getting on their choppers a case could be made that NK are ahead of the other two. What I am not clear on is where BC are in that picture.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 09:08:31 AM
 :bigwelcome to all the RFF Newbies who are joining in this exciting discussion!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: bevsee on December 07, 2010, 09:41:41 AM
Hi Guys, I'm new here, so bear with me.
I found out something interesting while looking at the bungee jumping pictures.
Notice in the first picture, as mentioned in the earlier post, the left bungee seems already been used.
If that's correct, then Nat n Kat are the first team to do the task. Look at picture 2.
You can see the wire behind Nat, compare it to the first picture, it has to be the left bungee they are using.
Also, Thomas & Jill did the task second followed by Brook & Claire.
See the 3 and 4 picture, Thomas is positioned further from the pole then Brook & Claire, which means Thomas & Jill went to middle bungee and Brook & Claire to the right one.
Just my thought. :)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 07, 2010, 09:57:22 AM
Nice job bevsee!!


:welcome2: to RFF!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 09:59:25 AM
Hi Guys, I'm new here, so bear with me.
I found out something interesting while looking at the bungee jumping pictures.
Notice in the first picture, as mentioned in the earlier post, the left bungee seems already been used.
If that's correct, then Nat n Kat are the first team to do the task. Look at picture 2.
You can see the wire behind Nat, compare it to the first picture, it has to be the left bungee they are using.
Also, Thomas & Jill did the task second followed by Brook & Claire.
See the 3 and 4 picture, Thomas is positioned further from the pole then Brook & Claire, which means Thomas & Jill went to middle bungee and Brook & Claire to the right one.
Just my thought. :)

 :welcome2: That does make sense to me. It looks like that at least for the first part of the leg that is the correct order. JT and BC appear to be right on top of each other. JT will probably gain a little since BC will not start the jump until they are done. If I remember correctly chateau said the flight from the tower to the rose bowl is about 18 minutes, that's probably about how far ahead NK are.

However we must keep in mind that we don't know what other tasks may be between the jump and the final task. There could be another task in the Rose bowl or somewhere else and the order can change. These margins of leading and trailing are not very long and can easily be overcome or maintained. There is no way to know.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Jobby on December 07, 2010, 10:01:44 AM
Hi Guys, I'm new here, so bear with me.
I found out something interesting while looking at the bungee jumping pictures.
Notice in the first picture, as mentioned in the earlier post, the left bungee seems already been used.
If that's correct, then Nat n Kat are the first team to do the task. Look at picture 2.
You can see the wire behind Nat, compare it to the first picture, it has to be the left bungee they are using.
Also, Thomas & Jill did the task second followed by Brook & Claire.
See the 3 and 4 picture, Thomas is positioned further from the pole then Brook & Claire, which means Thomas & Jill went to middle bungee and Brook & Claire to the right one.
Just my thought. :)

That was one quality post. Seriously. Welcome to RFF and thanks for the valuable post! You just solved the mystery of what the positions at the bungee are for the three teams and it could turn out to be REALLY useful! :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 10:04:34 AM
Now I am not sure about my Coastal Charters theory. BC are running by a sign for Island Express.

Check out the logo in the cap below and the one from their website. http://www.islandexpress.com/
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Belle Book on December 07, 2010, 10:08:20 AM
Hi Guys, I'm new here, so bear with me.
I found out something interesting while looking at the bungee jumping pictures.
Notice in the first picture, as mentioned in the earlier post, the left bungee seems already been used.
If that's correct, then Nat n Kat are the first team to do the task. Look at picture 2.
You can see the wire behind Nat, compare it to the first picture, it has to be the left bungee they are using.
Also, Thomas & Jill did the task second followed by Brook & Claire.
See the 3 and 4 picture, Thomas is positioned further from the pole then Brook & Claire, which means Thomas & Jill went to middle bungee and Brook & Claire to the right one.
Just my thought. :)

 :welcome2: That does make sense to me. It looks like that at least for the first part of the leg that is the correct order. JT and BC appear to be right on top of each other. JT will probably gain a little since BC will not start the jump until they are done. If I remember correctly chateau said the flight from the tower to the rose bowl is about 18 minutes, that's probably about how far ahead NK are.

However we must keep in mind that we don't know what other tasks may be between the jump and the final task. There could be another task in the Rose bowl or somewhere else and the order can change. These margins of leading and trailing are not very long and can easily be overcome or maintained. There is no way to know.

I know you're holding out hope for Brook & Claire, but I agree with you that Nat & Kat are at least 18 minutes ahead and even though there might be other tasks ahead, if Nat said the quote that means she & Kat will probably win and I'm going to be one happy camper!  However, Brook & Claire might catch up to Jill & Thomas before the Pit Stop and pass them.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Ruth on December 07, 2010, 10:26:10 AM
Oh no, Nat and Kat being in first gives me the feeling that they're gonna be passed by Jill and Thomas to the finish line! I don't know, because other than TAR 16, the initial leading team usually ends up second. And if it's a finale we won't wanna miss, I'm sure it's gonna be exciting and perhaps the positions keep changing or something. I doubt we'll have a team leading all the way. Hmm.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 10:27:55 AM
Island Express claims to only have a heliport at the Queen Mary but after a little digging I found this: http://www.catalina.com/directions.html#Long (scroll down to the San Pedro heading)

That heliport is here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Catalina+Air+Sea+Terminal+Building&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GPEA_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl

Here is possible proof that IEX uses Eurocopter AS-350's:
http://www.mcmc-law.com/recent-notable-cases/catalina-island-helicopter-crash-2/
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 07, 2010, 10:47:12 AM
This shot might help clarify things regarding timing.

It is part of the clip shot from a production helicopter that starts out zoomed in on Jill & Thomas in position at their drop station.  As it zooms out we get this freeze.  What the freeze show is that all three drop stations have not yet released.  You can asses the 'not yet released' by looking at the way the thick part of the cords makes an angle (not 90) as is hangs over the beam.  That is because the lines are snugged up near the drop station.  After release the lines hang limp over the beam making a 90  degree angle to go straight down.

What this tells me is that Nat & Kat are also in drop position and ready to be released from the farthest out station.

The preview cuts to a new clip from the production helicopter that was taken after Nat & Kat have released and Jill & Thomas are in free fall.

This torques my shadow times a bit but I think it can still fit together:

'fuzzy time'  activity
12:25          BC get to chopper pad (I had 12:41 to 12:49 pm, 12:25 is as low as I can go)
12:35          BC have reached cranes, climbed, are walking on the gang plank.  This was when they appear behind Thomas.
12:37          JT are in drop position (this was when the 1st helio clip was made
12:37          NK release from their drop position
12:39          JT  release from their drop position, 2nd helio clip (NK already lowered to the raft).
1:05            NK arrive at the Rose Bowl  (I had 12:56 to 12:59 pm, maybe 1:05 is okay)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 07, 2010, 11:02:52 AM
So, after completing the bungee swing, I would say that the teams are in this order with no more that 5 to 10 minutes between each team.

1)  Nat & Kat
2)  Jill & Thomas
3)  Brooke & Claire

It's going to come down to that brain challenge and cabbie luck   :cmaslol


And  I wonder how they get cabs at the Rose Bowl?   
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 11:38:14 AM
So, after completing the bungee swing, I would say that the teams are in this order with no more that 5 to 10 minutes between each team.

1)  Nat & Kat
2)  Jill & Thomas
3)  Brooke & Claire

It's going to come down to that brain challenge and cabbie luck   :cmaslol


And  I wonder how they get cabs at the Rose Bowl?   

Thanks for fleshing that out, the teams are obviously quite close.

I think there must be some other kind of task, surely there is a RB somewhere.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 07, 2010, 12:26:17 PM
Thanks Rox!


WRP you are going to drive me crazy:   :lol:

I know I have seen this street before!   :crazy:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FINALEpreviewcaps1728-Copy.jpg)
Drove me crazy too!
Cherokee Lane.
Looks like they are on their way from the Rose Bowl to Greystone Park.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1001+Rose+Bowl+Dr,+Pasadena,+CA+91103,+United+States+(Rose+Bowl+Flea+Market)&daddr=Greystone+Mansion,+Beverly+Hills,+CA,+United+States&geocode=FUZFCQIdVO_0-CGc4K10btajfA%3BFRoxCAIdg1vx-CGyrkBOzVXl0A&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=34.092278,-118.401847&sspn=0.011159,0.020492&ie=UTF8&ll=34.111236,-118.399487&spn=0.044628,0.081968&t=h&z=14&layer=c&cbll=34.111302,-118.399404&panoid=GtDj3lgXXxwe64VcS6CZOg&cbp=12,284.14,,0,6.88
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 07, 2010, 12:40:35 PM
I love you geeks. :kuss:

That is amazingly....awesome!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: milanissimo on December 07, 2010, 01:00:28 PM
I have a question,I'm really confused .. :xmas146 :xmas146
The memory task is before the bungee  task.. right???
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 01:26:53 PM
I have a question,I'm really confused .. :xmas146 :xmas146
The memory task is before the bungee  task.. right???

I don't think so. First the teams land at LAX, then they drive to the Catalina heliport and fly to the bungee crane. After the jump they fly to the Rose Bowl and do something.

I can see why you are confused. According to what WP just said they are driving to the mansion after the Rose Bowl. Maybe the RB is at the bowl and the final task is either at the mansion or nearby. :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 07, 2010, 01:42:00 PM
I have a question,I'm really confused .. :xmas146 :xmas146
The memory task is before the bungee  task.. right???

I don't think so. First the teams land at LAX, then they drive to the Catalina heliport and fly to the bungee crane. After the jump they fly to the Rose Bowl and do something.

I can see why you are confused. According to what WP just said they are driving to the mansion after the Rose Bowl. Maybe the RB is at the bowl and the final task is either at the mansion or nearby. :duno:
They could stop anywhere between the Rose Bowl and Greystone - e.g. there are quite a few studios along the 134/101 where the memory task could happen. The important thing is that they are in the 134 corridor when they head to Greystone or else it wouldn't make sense to take Cherokee.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 01:43:52 PM
I have a question,I'm really confused .. :xmas146 :xmas146
The memory task is before the bungee  task.. right???

I don't think so. First the teams land at LAX, then they drive to the Catalina heliport and fly to the bungee crane. After the jump they fly to the Rose Bowl and do something.

I can see why you are confused. According to what WP just said they are driving to the mansion after the Rose Bowl. Maybe the RB is at the bowl and the final task is either at the mansion or nearby. :duno:
They could stop anywhere between the Rose Bowl and Greystone - e.g. there are quite a few studios along the 134/101 where the memory task could happen. The important thing is that they are in the 134 corridor when they head to Greystone or else it wouldn't make sense to take Cherokee.

Good point. It will be interesting if they are not that far from the finish line while doing the task.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: milanissimo on December 07, 2010, 01:47:25 PM
Chateau  says that Nat and Kat are at the Rose Bowl  at 1:05  (propably they are first) and....

This shot was taken between 1:36 and 1:44 pm (assumes June 15th).


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FINALEpreviewcaps1859-Copy.jpg)

so ...Probably the winners  arrive at finish line  between 1:36 and 1:44 pm
Considering that they need to go by cab from Pasadena to Beverly hills(final pit stop)...the distance is about 20 miles...
I think there are no more tasks ...after bungee and helicopter .....and probably ...pasadena is final route info, there isn't enough time....
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 01:52:56 PM
Chateau  says that Nat and Kat are at the Rose Bowl  at 1:05  (propably they are first) and....

This shot was taken between 1:36 and 1:44 pm (assumes June 15th).

so ...Probably the winners  arrive at finish line  between 1:36 and 1:44 pm
Considering that they need to go by cab from Pasadena to Beverly hills(final pit stop)...the distance is about 20 miles...
I think there are no more tasks ...after bungee and helicopter .....and probably ...pasadena is final route info, there isn't enough time....

The winners did not necessarily arrive at this time. This could merely be the time they recorded this video; we do not know.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: theschnauzers on December 07, 2010, 02:04:33 PM
IIRC, production generally records the waiting teams at the finish mat before any teams are expected to arrive, then splice in that footage with the actual arrival footage for the final three teams.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 02:05:51 PM
IIRC, production generally records the waiting teams at the finish mat before any teams are expected to arrive, then splice in that footage with the actual arrival footage for the final three teams.

That's what I figured.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: tukutu on December 07, 2010, 02:23:25 PM
Hi! im a kind of new here, and im glad to manage my self to get here.
I think based in all the previous posts, that Nat and Kat won the race..
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 02:27:57 PM
Hi! im a kind of new here, and im glad to manage my self to get here.
I think based in all the previous posts, that Nat and Kat won the race..

Welcome to RFF!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: mike4lyf on December 07, 2010, 02:55:00 PM
:) As much as I wanted Brook and Claire to win, I will be satisfied with Nat and Kat winning, which I think is going to happen :(


(If the 6 road block rule still exists)
Claire has to do the roadblock
Jill has to do the roadblock  <---- This tells me they won't do very good.
and either Nat or Kat can do the road block
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 07, 2010, 02:57:21 PM
Thanks Rox!


WRP you are going to drive me crazy:   :lol:

I know I have seen this street before!   :crazy:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FINALEpreviewcaps1728-Copy.jpg)
Drove me crazy too!
Cherokee Lane.
Looks like they are on their way from the Rose Bowl to Greystone Park.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=1001+Rose+Bowl+Dr,+Pasadena,+CA+91103,+United+States+(Rose+Bowl+Flea+Market)&daddr=Greystone+Mansion,+Beverly+Hills,+CA,+United+States&geocode=FUZFCQIdVO_0-CGc4K10btajfA%3BFRoxCAIdg1vx-CGyrkBOzVXl0A&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=34.092278,-118.401847&sspn=0.011159,0.020492&ie=UTF8&ll=34.111236,-118.399487&spn=0.044628,0.081968&t=h&z=14&layer=c&cbll=34.111302,-118.399404&panoid=GtDj3lgXXxwe64VcS6CZOg&cbp=12,284.14,,0,6.88

You got it!!!  Great work.  Now I can rest! 

That route (Coldwater Canyon) is typical from many locations so lets look for any studio or aircraft hangar in the San Fernando Valley.  Lockheed used to be in Burbank and they may have many old hangars.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: connayyy on December 07, 2010, 03:19:40 PM

I am new here to! I actually live in the SoCal/LA region, and if this was filmed in June, then Nat and Kat may be in the lead! SoCal has a lot of June Gloom. This means in the morning of almost evry day in June, it's foggy and miserable! Later on in the day however, it brightens up! So maybe Nat and Kat are actually in the lead! I would like that!!!

Ooh, okay, thanks! That makes a lot of sense, I'm hoping that Nat and Kat are in the lead too!

Hmm so I'm thinking that for the bungee task it will be
1) Nat and Kat
2) Jill and Thomas
3) Brook and Claire
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: kittygoesmeow on December 07, 2010, 03:33:16 PM
Forgive me if it's been discussed already (I didn't see it, so I think I'm in the clear) but the teams would have to pass through Glendale/Burbank/Studio City to get from the Rose Bowl to Greystone Mansion...any chance they'd do the memory task at one of the soundstages at CBS Studios?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 07, 2010, 03:34:03 PM
This shot was taken sometime after 2:18 pm (assumes June 15th).

Sorry, no upper bound.  But definitely before 4:10 pm.

Oh, and they are only 5 min from Greystone Mansion!

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FINALEpreviewcaps1728-Copy.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 07, 2010, 03:41:13 PM
Does it look like Brook has got this thing in the bag!   :cmaslol   :cmas27
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Flamant on December 07, 2010, 03:52:39 PM
She looks a bit like Mirna in this photo  :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: LoveRocked on December 07, 2010, 04:07:53 PM
She looks a bit like Mirna in this photo  :cmaslol

:cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 07, 2010, 04:18:37 PM
Not sure if this is significant - but when they are doing the memory task it appears they are using iPads.
Maybe they have to win the iPad version of The Amazing Race to get their next clue?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: LoveRocked on December 07, 2010, 04:41:20 PM
Not sure if this is significant - but when they are doing the memory task it appears they are using iPads.
Maybe they have to win the iPad version of The Amazing Race to get their next clue?

Yeah, look likely Ipad.. I don't know if suppose all legs for memory task.. I guess..
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: BK_amazing_race on December 07, 2010, 04:53:40 PM
I  think the roadblock limit will could have a huge impact on the outcome of the race.  I really think Nat & Kat have an advantage here however I'm still confused by their frowns in what may be their final confessional.  I agree that they are in first at the bungee jumping but it's likely that the last challenge is the memory task.  It will probably present them the location to the finish line.  I think that Nat and Kat may get some taxi problems and lose to Jill and Thomas in the end.  What do you guys think?  Did anyone make a poll on who they think will win?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 07, 2010, 04:57:16 PM
Not sure if this is significant - but when they are doing the memory task it appears they are using iPads.
Maybe they have to win the iPad version of The Amazing Race to get their next clue?

If in fact they do have to play a video game......which team would you expect to be the best "gamers?"
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 04:58:27 PM
I  think the roadblock limit will could have a huge impact on the outcome of the race.  I really think Nat & Kat have an advantage here however I'm still confused by their frowns in what may be their final confessional.  I agree that they are in first at the bungee jumping but it's likely that the last challenge is the memory task.  It will probably present them the location to the finish line.  I think that Nat and Kat may get some taxi problems and lose to Jill and Thomas in the end.  What do you guys think?  Did anyone make a poll on who they think will win?

Actually since they have been letting team members do 7 everyone is free to do this last one.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 04:59:55 PM
In this cap and possibly N/K's it looks like the teams are referencing some notes or something. This seems to indicate a memory task.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FINALEpreviewcaps1370-Copy.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: BK_amazing_race on December 07, 2010, 05:02:08 PM
Nevermind about the roadblock limit.  By the way... does anyone like Jill & Thomas?  I personally have no problem with them.  Brook and Claire are obviously the most entertaining and I believe Nat & Kat are very boring.  I like all three finalists but I'm rooting for J/T.  They deserved it!  They are very good at this race.  I wouldn't mind if anyone won and I would also enjoy an all female team winning so this should be a great finale to cap off a great season.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Levi Rinno on December 07, 2010, 05:03:24 PM
Not that I definitely think they won't win, but Phil pretty much ignoring Jill in the preview really doesn't make me think they'll take it since if they did, Phil would've mentioned them both, not just Thomas.  They still could win, but I don't think so.

Plus, one cap of them both looking very much distressed indicates to me that something might take them out midway through the leg.  Maybe after the bungee.  I don't know.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Levi Rinno on December 07, 2010, 05:05:49 PM
I like all three finalists but I'm rooting for J/T.  They deserved it!  They are very good at this race.
Aw, good for you.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: BK_amazing_race on December 07, 2010, 05:08:02 PM
No need to be mean?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 05:10:42 PM
In the caps, all three teams are clearly looking up on a wall, at their notes, and at the iPads.
What is it with the obssession with iPads?  :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 05:16:12 PM
If it is a memory task, as indicated by the notes, teams must have to enter their answers in on the iPads.
But what is it that they're all looking at in front of them?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: BK_amazing_race on December 07, 2010, 05:16:48 PM
Did anybody catch what Kat says in the taxi in the finale preview?  Jill says "as quickly as you could can possibly go" and Brooke and Clair do their usual thing about being the first female winners.  However, I couldn't hear what Kat said.  It most likely means nothing but I'm just curious.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: theschnauzers on December 07, 2010, 05:18:52 PM
Maybe a new sponsorship?

And on the roadblock limit -- there is no evidence that with the exception of the one season with two roadblocks in the same leg, that the limit has changed from 6.  The behavior of the teams these last couple of episodes (on who did the roadblock) seems consistent with a 6 roadblock limit.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: BK_amazing_race on December 07, 2010, 05:28:23 PM
Now that I think of it, i can remember a few challenges in TAR that required teams to search a stadium for a clue.  Could teams have a riddle to solve in the Rose Bowl?  In season 4, teams were given a phrase that hinted at a specific seat in the stadium where their next clue was.  In another season, I believe teams searched for plane tickets in a stadium.  Its possible that a task could involve searching the Rose Bowl for something rather then doing a specific action inside the stadium.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: sofiaj.10 on December 07, 2010, 05:35:32 PM
just checked wikipediaa---- team members can do up to 7 roadblocks each!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 07, 2010, 05:38:31 PM
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FinalePROMOcaps0325.jpg)

This picture may turn out to be important...where ARE they? It looks to be a secured and guarded spot.... with "lanes" of entry.

Helicopter pick up?

Memory task entrance?

What guards/employees wear boots like that?

??? ??? ???
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 07, 2010, 05:39:18 PM
just checked wikipediaa---- team members can do up to 7 roadblocks each!

sorry, but wiki can be edited by anyone...so we do not trust it for that kind of info.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: red_sox on December 07, 2010, 05:44:49 PM
Is it possible that the iPad shows an interactive world map, which is then projected on the screen in front of them?

The notes could be items, team names, flags, anything... and they have to use the iPad to assort them to the corresponding countries in correct order...

Just a thought  :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Flamant on December 07, 2010, 05:47:15 PM
just checked wikipediaa---- team members can do up to 7 roadblocks each!

sorry, but wiki can be edited by anyone...so we do not trust it for that kind of info.

In season 10, Karlyn did 7 roadblocks while Lyn only did 5 of them. Same thing in season 16 where Brent did 7 and Caite did 5.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Krab on December 07, 2010, 06:01:34 PM
Did anybody catch what Kat says in the taxi in the finale preview?  Jill says "as quickly as you could can possibly go" and Brooke and Clair do their usual thing about being the first female winners.  However, I couldn't hear what Kat said.  It most likely means nothing but I'm just curious.

Kat said "I'm having palpitations".......that, combined with the smile on her face looking over at Nat, makes me very hopeful that they are heading for the finish line FIRST

 :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 07, 2010, 06:02:41 PM
Those are LAX-style luggage movers there:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FinalePROMOcaps0325.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 06:08:07 PM
Those are LAX-style luggage movers there:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FinalePROMOcaps0325.jpg)

Good eye, Chateau!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: racing_sausageWI on December 07, 2010, 06:14:48 PM
just checked wikipediaa---- team members can do up to 7 roadblocks each!

just changed wikipedia----it now says team members can do up to 6 roadbocks each!  :cmas16
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 06:24:26 PM
We really don't know what the rules are regarding how many RB can be done. They have changed before and the Race has never been afraid to make rule exceptions and changes without sending us a memo.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: kittygoesmeow on December 07, 2010, 06:36:10 PM
Just talking to myself here, don't mind me...

Clearly the bungee jump isn't a RB because they are both doing it. The challenge with the iPads doesn't appear to be a RB because they're both standing there working on it.

The helicopter landing at the Rose Bowl seems really random to me. Is it possible that there was a RB somewhere around there?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 07, 2010, 06:39:43 PM
It appears to me the teams are looking at their personal journals for information to imput on the iPad and it is projected on a large screen monitor........
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Belle Book on December 07, 2010, 06:53:45 PM
Nevermind about the roadblock limit.  By the way... does anyone like Jill & Thomas?  I personally have no problem with them.  Brook and Claire are obviously the most entertaining and I believe Nat & Kat are very boring.  I like all three finalists but I'm rooting for J/T.  They deserved it!  They are very good at this race.  I wouldn't mind if anyone won and I would also enjoy an all female team winning so this should be a great finale to cap off a great season.

I like Jill okay.  Thomas, not so much.  But if there were less likeable teams in the Final 3, I'd like Jill & Thomas more.

Incidentally, I love Nat & Kat!  I've always wanted an all-female team to win, and I've got a soft spot for Asian Americans -- and Kat's Asian American!  And best of all, they're likeable, smart and pretty strong, as well as laid-back enough to not let the pressure get to them.  Sure, you might see them as boring, but I tend to prefer the "boring" teams to the drama-queen ones.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Belle Book on December 07, 2010, 06:58:57 PM
I  think the roadblock limit will could have a huge impact on the outcome of the race.  I really think Nat & Kat have an advantage here however I'm still confused by their frowns in what may be their final confessional.  I agree that they are in first at the bungee jumping but it's likely that the last challenge is the memory task.  It will probably present them the location to the finish line.  I think that Nat and Kat may get some taxi problems and lose to Jill and Thomas in the end.  What do you guys think?  Did anyone make a poll on who they think will win?

Since we know that Nat is calling someone and telling that person that she's in a Race for a lot of money, it's possible she's just referring to initial problems in getting to the location.  Besides, I don't think Jill & Thomas will win -- there's too much hype about an all-female team winning as compared to Season 11 (where there were also two all-female teams in the running) to suggest Jill & Thomas will win.  I think Nat & Kat will win, and I'll be really happy!

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: racing_sausageWI on December 07, 2010, 07:06:31 PM
We really don't know what the rules are regarding how many RB can be done. They have changed before and the Race has never been afraid to make rule exceptions and changes without sending us a memo.

I disagree.  Before the Roadblock on leg 10, Vicki mentioned that she had to do the Roadblock.  To me, that implies that the limit is 6, since Nick completed 6 Roadblocks.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 07, 2010, 07:16:18 PM
We really don't know what the rules are regarding how many RB can be done. They have changed before and the Race has never been afraid to make rule exceptions and changes without sending us a memo.

I disagree.  Before the Roadblock on leg 10, Vicki mentioned that she had to do the Roadblock.  To me, that implies that the limit is 6, since Nick completed 6 Roadblocks.

I agree.  :cmas16 In S11 Leg 12, Eric said that Danielle is doing the roadblock because he had done all his Roadblocks, and he had done 6 as well.

P.S Love the Christmas themed smileys.  :cmas9
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 07:21:23 PM
Six has been the base rule but like I said there have been exceptions without explanation. If they hold to the six rule then Jill and Claire will have to perform with Nat and Kat having a choice.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Flamant on December 07, 2010, 07:51:29 PM
In season 16, Brent did 7 roadblocks and Caite did 5.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Dånooky on December 07, 2010, 07:52:19 PM
just checked wikipediaa---- team members can do up to 7 roadblocks each!

sorry, but wiki can be edited by anyone...so we do not trust it for that kind of info.

In season 10, Karlyn did 7 roadblocks while Lyn only did 5 of them. Same thing in season 16 where Brent did 7 and Caite did 5.

Lyn performed an unaired Roadblock, totaling 6 for her.
In season 16, Brent did 7 roadblocks and Caite did 5.
There was the leg with two RB so, that season is not relevant to set precedent for the RB limit rule since it's an irregular run (they didn't have a choice on who would perform the second one).





Back on topic: maybe there isn't a Roadblock at all on this leg.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: racing_sausageWI on December 07, 2010, 07:56:28 PM
just checked wikipediaa---- team members can do up to 7 roadblocks each!

sorry, but wiki can be edited by anyone...so we do not trust it for that kind of info.

In season 10, Karlyn did 7 roadblocks while Lyn only did 5 of them. Same thing in season 16 where Brent did 7 and Caite did 5.

Season 10 had 13 Roadblocks (Leg 7 had an unaired one, but there was spoiler video to show it was there), so clearly someone needed to do more than 6 Roadblocks.  Season 16 had the double Roadblock leg, so it seems the limit was increased to 7 per person.  In episode 10 of this season, before opening the roadblock clue, Vicki stated "Who's feeling peckish?  Me, I guess.  I've gotta do it."  Nick had already completed 6 Roadblocks, so if Vicki truly needed to do it, there would be a 6 Roadblock limit.  

I'm starting to think though that there will not be a Roadblock on the final leg.  We know teams work together on what appears to be the memory task and both team members perform the bungee drop (could be one of the detour options).  From seasons 12 on, there hasn't been a Detour, Roadblock, and memory challenge in the final leg.  Seasons 12 & 14, the Roadblock was the memory challenge.  Season 13 there was no Roadblock.  And Seasons 15 & 16 there was no Detour.
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Post by: Chateau d If on December 07, 2010, 08:16:40 PM
Season 9's finale  had a Roadblock that was a memory challenge!   :xmas146

Remember this:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/Parisinspring/Flags/GEofflagRB2.jpg)
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Post by: Caelestor on December 07, 2010, 08:19:50 PM
Detours are essentially like two tasks, so it makes sense for the producers to cut out a task that likely no team will perform (IIRC TAR 14 had a pig detour aired as a general task).

Is bungee an RB? Because the task in the dark stadium definitely isn't.
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Post by: AbbyNormal on December 07, 2010, 08:25:33 PM
You guys are great, I love reading your detective work! If the Rose Bowl challenge is a memory challenge, then I have to think that the advantage goes to Nat and Kat. You can't make it through medical school without developing some serious memorization techniques.

I've been a B/C fan from the beginning, but I would be very happy to see N/K take home the $1M. Got to pay off those school loans!
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Post by: connayyy on December 07, 2010, 08:26:16 PM
just checked wikipediaa---- team members can do up to 7 roadblocks each!

sorry, but wiki can be edited by anyone...so we do not trust it for that kind of info.

In season 10, Karlyn did 7 roadblocks while Lyn only did 5 of them. Same thing in season 16 where Brent did 7 and Caite did 5.



I think that the maximum is 6, but I don't think any of us can know for sure. A lot of rules and such on the Race are not explained to us unless it's necessary.

Bungee and memory task both seem like general tasks, to me...
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Post by: georgiapeach on December 07, 2010, 08:26:58 PM
Wonder if they have to climb UP the bridge too? Or one of them?

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Post by: coolio on December 07, 2010, 08:28:52 PM
I think they both have to climb the bridge! And by the way, this is my offical 1st POST! so excited!!!! :cmas22
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Post by: georgiapeach on December 07, 2010, 08:34:10 PM
Welcome Coolio!  :xmas49
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Post by: coolio on December 07, 2010, 08:38:23 PM
Thanks so much georgiapeach! I hear your the best RFF dectective around!
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Post by: georgiapeach on December 07, 2010, 08:41:48 PM
No way...But RFF has the BEST detectives for sure!! :cmas9 :cmas9 :cmas9
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Post by: NoluckBoston on December 07, 2010, 08:43:36 PM
Dear Christmas Peach

I have a question regarding the first post

"ROUTE INFO: Bungee crane task here
EVIDENCE: Promo after EP11 (Source)
TIMING: Brook/Claire at task simultaneously Jill/Thomas but jump first; both ahead of Nat/Kat (Source 1), (Source 2)"

I thought it had been established that Nat and Kat were ahead at the Bungee jump?

Thnak you.
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Post by: georgiapeach on December 07, 2010, 08:55:13 PM
Woden has already updayed the real Timeline, my copy is just behind!  Thanks for pointing it out!
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Post by: Slowhatch on December 07, 2010, 09:04:08 PM
Quote
Wonder if they have to climb UP the bridge too?
You mean the crane? The building behind Kat is this (http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/#/2sxx6fbk2g30m0np).
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Post by: TexasLady on December 07, 2010, 09:08:00 PM
Here are all 3 doing their task for comparison's sake

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Post by: NoluckBoston on December 07, 2010, 09:09:24 PM
When looking at that pick of T/J it feels like a sound stage. the back ground and the overhead lights.
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Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 07, 2010, 09:12:48 PM
Perhaps their Apple iPad where they answer the memory quiz is connected using Apple AirPlay to an Apple TV, where they see the results.
 :cmastreeperhaps if I mention Apple enough here they'll send me a free iPad? :cmastree
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Post by: coolio on December 07, 2010, 09:14:40 PM
Here are all 3 doing their task for comparison's sake



At least 1 team is ahead of Brook & Claire, you can see an empty Ipad station in the lower left corner

Sorry! RIGHT corner!
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Post by: georgiapeach on December 07, 2010, 09:22:46 PM
Thanks TL!! Those help!

Are they inputting something in that box? Airplay???

And yes...crane works!  Bing maps have gotten wayyyy good!
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Post by: BK_amazing_race on December 07, 2010, 09:24:20 PM
Or the empty iPad station could mean that Brooke and Claire are there BEFORE the other teams.  Theres no way to know.
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Post by: coolio on December 07, 2010, 09:27:32 PM
Oh, ur right! Looks like I need to think before I post! Hehe!!
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Post by: kittygoesmeow on December 07, 2010, 09:29:12 PM
Here are all 3 doing their task for comparison's sake



At least 1 team is ahead of Brook & Claire, you can see an empty Ipad station in the lower left corner

Sorry! RIGHT corner!

It looks like Jill and Thomas are looking straight ahead, while Nat and Kat and Brook and Claire are looking more to the left. Maybe the station at the bottom of that picture is Jill and Thomas'?
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Post by: kittygoesmeow on December 07, 2010, 09:51:45 PM
Here are all 3 doing their task for comparison's sake



At least 1 team is ahead of Brook & Claire, you can see an empty Ipad station in the lower left corner

Sorry! RIGHT corner!

It looks like Jill and Thomas are looking straight ahead, while Nat and Kat and Brook and Claire are looking more to the left. Maybe the station at the bottom of that picture is Jill and Thomas'?

O know does tis mean Jill and Thomas are ahead or behind?

No idea, can't tell from that shot. I was just noting what the positions might be.
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Post by: coolio on December 07, 2010, 09:53:00 PM
I think Jill amd Thomas are behind! Cuz, Jill looks frantic!! And Brook looks like she doesn't know what the crap is on that iPad. :cmas13
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Post by: coolio on December 07, 2010, 09:58:21 PM
The thing is, the teams all look like they are concentrating on the main screen intensly. So, maybe the main screen is some sort of scrolling screen with locations on it and they must replay the legs on the screen in the correct order on the iPad??
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Post by: Cocoa on December 07, 2010, 10:08:58 PM
It's a Route Info, I guess, because I can see a blue clue on Nat's hands
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Post by: kittygoesmeow on December 07, 2010, 10:10:09 PM
It's a Route Info, I guess, because I can see a blue clue on Nat's hands

Good eye!
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Post by: red_sox on December 07, 2010, 10:10:22 PM
To me it looks like B/C and J/T are on opposite sides of the room, whereas N/K may be the ones who've already completed the task- thus the empty iPad.

However it could go either way... maybe N/K or J/T are behind B/C. However, the footage of B/C does come across as them being slightly defeated. They look deflated, while the others look stressed and on-game.

I still think that N/K break ahead before the bungee jump, a lead they maintain to the final memory challenge. They finish the final challenge before B/C even arrive, leaving J/T and B/C to battle it out for second.

I think that if it were a tight race to the end, they would have played on that for the trailer. The fact that no two teams are really seen together suggests that there is in fact a bit of a gap between teams.

I think N/K have this. All signs point to their victory. They look excited and smiling in what appears to be the final cab ride, while B/C, only minutes from the finish line, look highly anxious and defeated.

J/T are a bit of a loose cannon though... however I highly doubt they will win with the extreme emphasis on both F/F teams.
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Post by: muffin on December 07, 2010, 11:32:18 PM
Hi, everyone I new here.
Can anyone get a clearer picture on Kat's watch? Or able to see the time?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: red_sox on December 07, 2010, 11:38:14 PM
Almost certain it reads 2.30
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Post by: Jobby on December 07, 2010, 11:44:09 PM
The watch is supposed to face Kat's direction and not us.. don't think it's 2.30pm. Let me try and get a clearer picture.
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Post by: Slowhatch on December 07, 2010, 11:50:40 PM
Too much of the watch face is used by buttons, the actual readable area is the small bar on top. The shadows of the trucks might be more instructive: I'm guessing late morning/noonish. And... :bigwelcome
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Post by: red_sox on December 07, 2010, 11:52:53 PM
The watch is supposed to face Kat's direction and not us.. don't think it's 2.30pm. Let me try and get a clearer picture.

edit: is it digital?
maybe some misleading shadows...
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Post by: Jobby on December 07, 2010, 11:58:32 PM
Look at Slowhatch's picture above, it seems to be a digital watch with the watch face on top as per Slowhatch's post.

Looking at the shadows at the back, i do agree it's around noon time...
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Post by: TAR new fan on December 08, 2010, 02:43:02 AM
Newbie here. I was just going to add that it might give Nat and Kat an edge that they are in SoCal, since Nat is from Santa Barbara. If both of them practice in LA, even better - they should know some time-saving tips with navigating traffic and maybe will be able to move faster than the other teams!

*hope*
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Post by: SkyWriter9 on December 08, 2010, 05:06:53 AM
I know you were talking about (OMG I just noticed the christmas animations!!!  :cmas51) the previews with them in the taxi. I think that Jill and Thomas in the taxi wasn't in LA. I just re-watched the one where they were in Hong Kong, and that shot looks like when they were leaving the airport in China. So... some of the shots may not be from the last leg.
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Post by: David on December 08, 2010, 06:45:38 AM
Newbie here. I was just going to add that it might give Nat and Kat an edge that they are in SoCal, since Nat is from Santa Barbara. If both of them practice in LA, even better - they should know some time-saving tips with navigating traffic and maybe will be able to move faster than the other teams!

*hope*

Welcome, TAR new fan!! Congrats on joining the fun!!
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Post by: scARCYty on December 08, 2010, 07:27:21 AM
Okay. Newbie here.

Well, just to clear it out though, if you have seen the most recent seasons of the race, the flow of the finale episode would be like. routes markers, then a roadblock, as in the case of Seasons 15 and 16. So, on my observation, the bungee jump might well be a roadblock. Following a series of clues to other destinations, leading them to their final destination, which mostly are memory challenges, before going to the finish line. But, there are some cases that they still need to visit other places after the memory challenge, which might be a game changer, since taxi drivers are a crucial part of the entire race.

Hope my observation works! Merry Christmas  :cmas51 :cmas51 :cmas51 in advance, RFF detectives!  :cmas23
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Post by: scARCYty on December 08, 2010, 07:33:44 AM
Oh, final challenge, I mean.
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Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 08:00:13 AM
Could Chateau be on to something with this hangar pic? Or are we looking at something more like a sound stage?

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/587661.jpg)

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23566.0;attach=170737;image)
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Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 08:04:05 AM
Okay. Newbie here.

Well, just to clear it out though, if you have seen the most recent seasons of the race, the flow of the finale episode would be like. routes markers, then a roadblock, as in the case of Seasons 15 and 16. So, on my observation, the bungee jump might well be a roadblock. Following a series of clues to other destinations, leading them to their final destination, which mostly are memory challenges, before going to the finish line. But, there are some cases that they still need to visit other places after the memory challenge, which might be a game changer, since taxi drivers are a crucial part of the entire race.

I agree with your assessment of the flow of finales in the past years. They have gotten away from doing the final task as a RB and even having a DT at all.
However it is not possible that the bungee is a RB. I do think there will be one somewhere though. Like what one person said they could search the Rose Bowl for the clue to the location of the final task.
Also everyone, don't forget that there is a possible task we cannot figure out yet in that JT picture.

Thanks to all Newbies for joining in this exciting discussion! Welcome to RFF!
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Post by: scARCYty on December 08, 2010, 08:09:33 AM
Okay. Newbie here.

Well, just to clear it out though, if you have seen the most recent seasons of the race, the flow of the finale episode would be like. routes markers, then a roadblock, as in the case of Seasons 15 and 16. So, on my observation, the bungee jump might well be a roadblock. Following a series of clues to other destinations, leading them to their final destination, which mostly are memory challenges, before going to the finish line. But, there are some cases that they still need to visit other places after the memory challenge, which might be a game changer, since taxi drivers are a crucial part of the entire race.

I agree with your assessment of the flow of finales in the past years. They have gotten away from doing the final task as a RB and even having a DT at all.
However it is not possible that the bungee is a RB. I do think there will be one somewhere though. Like what one person said they could search the Rose Bowl for the clue to the location of the final task.
Also everyone, don't forget that there is a possible task we cannot figure out yet in that JT picture.

well, maybe the roadblock is something else. Or, for the first time in race history, maybe no roadblock will exist at the finale at all? o.O :cmas18 :cmas5
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Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 08:13:10 AM
Okay. Newbie here.

Well, just to clear it out though, if you have seen the most recent seasons of the race, the flow of the finale episode would be like. routes markers, then a roadblock, as in the case of Seasons 15 and 16. So, on my observation, the bungee jump might well be a roadblock. Following a series of clues to other destinations, leading them to their final destination, which mostly are memory challenges, before going to the finish line. But, there are some cases that they still need to visit other places after the memory challenge, which might be a game changer, since taxi drivers are a crucial part of the entire race.

I agree with your assessment of the flow of finales in the past years. They have gotten away from doing the final task as a RB and even having a DT at all.
However it is not possible that the bungee is a RB. I do think there will be one somewhere though. Like what one person said they could search the Rose Bowl for the clue to the location of the final task.
Also everyone, don't forget that there is a possible task we cannot figure out yet in that JT picture.

well, maybe the roadblock is something else. Or, for the first time in race history, maybe no roadblock will exist at the finale at all? o.O :cmas18 :cmas5

I can't imagine a final without some normal elements (Detour, Roadblock, etc).
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Post by: scARCYty on December 08, 2010, 08:17:49 AM
Okay. Newbie here.

Well, just to clear it out though, if you have seen the most recent seasons of the race, the flow of the finale episode would be like. routes markers, then a roadblock, as in the case of Seasons 15 and 16. So, on my observation, the bungee jump might well be a roadblock. Following a series of clues to other destinations, leading them to their final destination, which mostly are memory challenges, before going to the finish line. But, there are some cases that they still need to visit other places after the memory challenge, which might be a game changer, since taxi drivers are a crucial part of the entire race.

I agree with your assessment of the flow of finales in the past years. They have gotten away from doing the final task as a RB and even having a DT at all.
However it is not possible that the bungee is a RB. I do think there will be one somewhere though. Like what one person said they could search the Rose Bowl for the clue to the location of the final task.
Also everyone, don't forget that there is a possible task we cannot figure out yet in that JT picture.

well, maybe the roadblock is something else. Or, for the first time in race history, maybe no roadblock will exist at the finale at all? o.O :cmas18 :cmas5

I can't imagine a final without some normal elements (Detour, Roadblock, etc).

Second that. Maybe TAR is just that good at giving us surprises. That's why I love the show. As for the entire sixteen seasons of the race, I couldn't imagine the other tasks that'll soon happen, or so. Like in this season finale, maybe there's a roadblock that wasn't shown to the teaser, might be the game changer of the race. Idk. Let's just wait and see for the finale this Sunday/Monday. (Monday, 'cause here in the Phils. it airs Monday morning).  :cmas51 :cmas51 :cmas51 :cmas27 :cmas27
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Post by: red_sox on December 08, 2010, 08:22:38 AM
Just found out I'll be working when it airs live on Monday (Australian time).

Gutted.

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Post by: georgiapeach on December 08, 2010, 08:23:42 AM
I know you were talking about (OMG I just noticed the christmas animations!!!  :cmas51) the previews with them in the taxi. I think that Jill and Thomas in the taxi wasn't in LA. I just re-watched the one where they were in Hong Kong, and that shot looks like when they were leaving the airport in China. So... some of the shots may not be from the last leg.

This shot??

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FinalePROMOcaps0372.jpg)

They are at the bridge...see the containers??
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Post by: scARCYty on December 08, 2010, 08:26:28 AM
if that bungee jump thing is not a roadblock, maybe one will exist at the Rose Bowl, before they head on to the mind challenge thing. =D  :cmas9
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Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 08:27:42 AM
I know you were talking about (OMG I just noticed the christmas animations!!!  :cmas51) the previews with them in the taxi. I think that Jill and Thomas in the taxi wasn't in LA. I just re-watched the one where they were in Hong Kong, and that shot looks like when they were leaving the airport in China. So... some of the shots may not be from the last leg.

This shot??

They are at the bridge...see the containers??

Good eyes, skywriter and Peach. I think skywriter meant this pic:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FINALEpreviewcaps1526-Copy.jpg)

I think that this is from LA though judging by the clothes.
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Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 08:29:55 AM
If anyone outside the east coast viewing area wishes to know what happened in the next episode of TAR before it airs in your area, Peach and the others post in the East Coast Show Update threads to keep people updated and spoiled!
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Post by: georgiapeach on December 08, 2010, 08:43:28 AM
Please do NOT post YouTube info here in public...we try VERY hard to protect the Uploaders here and that is a sure way to see them get deleted.

The LIVE video, if we have one, is here at 8PM EST every week for our non East Coast friends who want to watch live:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23401.0.html
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Post by: scARCYty on December 08, 2010, 08:45:55 AM
Please do NOT post YouTube info here in public...we try VERY hard to protect the Uploaders here and that is a sure way to see them get deleted.

The LIVE video, if we have one, is here at 8PM EST every week for our non East Coast friends who want to watch live:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23401.0.html

Oh, very much sorry.  :cmas5 I'm just a newbie here, and I didn't know that we should be that all PRIVATE. Delete my comment, if you want. =D MY BAD!  :cmas0 :cmas16
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Post by: georgiapeach on December 08, 2010, 08:46:42 AM
I know you were talking about (OMG I just noticed the christmas animations!!!  :cmas51) the previews with them in the taxi. I think that Jill and Thomas in the taxi wasn't in LA. I just re-watched the one where they were in Hong Kong, and that shot looks like when they were leaving the airport in China. So... some of the shots may not be from the last leg.

This shot??

They are at the bridge...see the containers??

Good eyes, skywriter and Peach. I think skywriter meant this pic:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FINALEpreviewcaps1526-Copy.jpg)

I think that this is from LA though judging by the clothes.

 That is the same series of caps as the other. You can always check the cap # in my posts to see where in the sequence they fall.
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Post by: georgiapeach on December 08, 2010, 09:21:06 AM
This photo is taken at the entrance to the ep 11 Pitstop: Wongudan Altar, and is therefore in Seoul. The walls do not match any at Graystone....

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17ep11pitstopwalls.jpg)(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FinalePROMOcaps0215.jpg)

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Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 09:43:50 AM
This photo is taken at the entrance to the ep 11 Pitstop: Wongudan Altar, and is therefore in Seoul. The walls do not match any at Graystone....


Caps 29 and 30 are definitely also from another episode. 31 and 32 may be as well.
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Post by: Chateau d If on December 08, 2010, 10:15:46 AM
I finally found where the helicopter clip over the hills was made:  Beeline to Pasadena, duh!    :cmaslol
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Post by: Belle Book on December 08, 2010, 10:19:45 AM
To me it looks like B/C and J/T are on opposite sides of the room, whereas N/K may be the ones who've already completed the task- thus the empty iPad.

However it could go either way... maybe N/K or J/T are behind B/C. However, the footage of B/C does come across as them being slightly defeated. They look deflated, while the others look stressed and on-game.

I still think that N/K break ahead before the bungee jump, a lead they maintain to the final memory challenge. They finish the final challenge before B/C even arrive, leaving J/T and B/C to battle it out for second.

I think that if it were a tight race to the end, they would have played on that for the trailer. The fact that no two teams are really seen together suggests that there is in fact a bit of a gap between teams.

I think N/K have this. All signs point to their victory. They look excited and smiling in what appears to be the final cab ride, while B/C, only minutes from the finish line, look highly anxious and defeated.

J/T are a bit of a loose cannon though... however I highly doubt they will win with the extreme emphasis on both F/F teams.

So do I ... I think Nat & Kat will win and I'll be squealing with delight when I see them do so.

Belle Book
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Post by: Chateau d If on December 08, 2010, 10:28:51 AM
Here is the zoom out of the helicopter flight
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 08, 2010, 10:29:25 AM
and ...
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 08, 2010, 10:29:48 AM
and ...
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Post by: georgiapeach on December 08, 2010, 10:43:22 AM
and ...

is that wave to Chateau??  :funny:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 08, 2010, 11:49:51 AM
I drove down to Berth 95 (SPQ) to find the viewpoint. The picture below is from the corner of the helipad looking north. There are some container stacks (the only direction you can see them) but there's so much stuff cluttering the view that I doubt the J/T cab shot is there. They're either lost on Terminal Island as Chateau suggests, or they're at the crane site.
This intersection is where the cruise passengers arrive and it's also the terminal for the Catalina ferry. Any decent cabdriver would know how to get there. But the heliport? Finding it might be harder (fewer requests).
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 11:51:53 AM
I drove down to Berth 95 (SPQ) to find the viewpoint. The picture below is from the corner of the helipad looking north. There are some container stacks (the only direction you can see them) but there's so much stuff cluttering the view that I doubt the J/T cab shot is there. They're either lost on Terminal Island as Chateau suggests, or they're at the crane site.
This intersection is where the cruise passengers arrive and it's also the terminal for the Catalina ferry. Any decent cabdriver would know how to get there. But the heliport? Finding it might be harder (fewer requests).

Great work, Slowhatch!
The cap indicates that they are lost and frustrated. Perhaps because their cabbie does not know where the heliport is.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 11:55:10 AM
New Promo!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 11:57:42 AM
Quick Analysis:
1. No new information, but different angles of the same things.
2. They are running the first FF team to win thing into the ground.
3. The promo gives a lot of attention to Brooke and Claire.
4. The trip to LA is confirmed.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 08, 2010, 12:03:49 PM
Thanks, Prophet. A tv repair shop (mitsubishi and zenith)?  :cmas5 ???
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 12:08:48 PM
Yellow: Diplomas?
Green: Other electronic devices?

Why are there so many certifications and things on the wall?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: FLFan on December 08, 2010, 12:12:04 PM
Thanks, Prophet. A tv repair shop (mitsubishi and zenith)?  :cmas5 ???

Maybe J/T got tired of the taxi driver being lost (or being lost themselves) and stopped at an electronic repair shop to have someone check the yellow pages for an address?  Neither look happy...
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Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 12:13:41 PM
Thanks, Prophet. A tv repair shop (mitsubishi and zenith)?  :cmas5 ???

Maybe J/T got tired of the taxi driver being lost (or being lost themselves) and stopped at an electronic repair shop to have someone check the yellow pages for an address?  Neither look happy...

I agree...they appear to be lost and asking for directions.

Judging by the quality of the ceiling and the desk and shelving it is not anywhere fancy.
I would go with the repair shop idea b/c the "not responsible" sign would probably be somewhere that fills orders. It could mean if someone leaves something they have brought in to be repaired for too long the shop is not responsible.
An odd place to ask directions.......what are they trying to find?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 08, 2010, 12:38:12 PM
This shot was taken between 9:10 and 9:18 am (assumes Dec 7th).


(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23566.0;attach=170746;image)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 12:41:04 PM
This shot was taken between 9:10 and 9:18 am (assumes Dec 7th).


(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23566.0;attach=170746;image)

 :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 08, 2010, 12:49:40 PM
This shot was taken between 6:42 and 6:52 pm (assumes June 15th).

This is Brook & Claire after the race is over.  Are they Happy?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 12:50:42 PM
This shot was taken between 6:42 and 6:52 pm (assumes June 15th).

This Brook & Claire after the race is over.  Are they Happy?

What are they talking about in this shot?

They are talking about the bungee jump. She is saying that she lost her bananas.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: chill_sd on December 08, 2010, 01:09:11 PM
I lightened up this shot a little.  Maybe it will help track down the location.

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 08, 2010, 01:38:23 PM
I couldn't find any repair shop on Terminal Island (doesn't mean it isn't there; I got a little lost myself driving around the place). Not in San Pedro either (for WP).
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 08, 2010, 01:41:54 PM
Try Ventura blvd   :reindeer
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 02:10:03 PM
This shot was taken between 6:42 and 6:52 pm (assumes June 15th).

This is Brook & Claire after the race is over.  Are they Happy?

No it doesnt look like they are happy, it looks like they are just wanting to go home.

They are reacting to the topic they are talking about-the bungee jumping task.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 02:24:10 PM
Thanks, Prophet. A tv repair shop (mitsubishi and zenith)?  :cmas5 ???

Maybe J/T got tired of the taxi driver being lost (or being lost themselves) and stopped at an electronic repair shop to have someone check the yellow pages for an address?  Neither look happy...

It looks like on the map that in order to get to Catalina they need to get off on North Front St. However it would be easy to get funneled onto the bridge and cross it. If they do that it is going to be a mess.
However I wonder if JT get lost later b/c according to Chateau all teams leave the jump within 10min of each other and I agree.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Mandoli on December 08, 2010, 02:41:11 PM
Do you guys think that the theater memory challenge (if that's what we're calling it) is like the chip counting challenge from a few seasons back... Double Roadblock?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Dånooky on December 08, 2010, 02:42:37 PM
Could it be possible that teams are told to search for a specific (and obscure) electronics store in order to pick up their ipad?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 08, 2010, 02:50:53 PM
Could it be possible that teams are told to search for a specific (and obscure) electronics store in order to pick up their ipad?

Nice idea Danooky! That place that JT are at is obviously the wrong one though. I'm sure there are plenty of Apple stores in the LA area.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: kittygoesmeow on December 08, 2010, 03:00:26 PM
Could it be possible that teams are told to search for a specific (and obscure) electronics store in order to pick up their ipad?

Nice idea Danooky! That place that JT are at is obviously the wrong one though. I'm sure there are plenty of Apple stores in the LA area.

Only 5 that I can think of off the top of my head (1 in Manhattan Beach, 3 in LA, 1 in Santa Monica), but none of them look anything like that...
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: kittygoesmeow on December 08, 2010, 03:06:55 PM
Any chance of darkening this to see the highway signs in the background?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: coolio on December 08, 2010, 03:12:34 PM
Well, if they have to get an iPad from a store, then Brook & Claire are definaltly behind at least one team, remember the empty station I pointed out before?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: kittygoesmeow on December 08, 2010, 03:14:02 PM
I think this is the right spot, the trees match up.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 08, 2010, 03:35:28 PM
Any chance of darkening this to see the highway signs in the background?

I played around with it some (enlarged, darkened and adjusted contrast), but there's just not enough detail to make out anything more than white blurs on a green sign.

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 08, 2010, 04:18:12 PM
Any chance of darkening this to see the highway signs in the background?

I'd say it's this one.  They are going from Pasadena into the San Fernando Valley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnVE3UTIgEM):


(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23566.0;attach=170751;image)


View Larger Map
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: TAR new fan on December 08, 2010, 04:40:54 PM
Could it be possible that teams are told to search for a specific (and obscure) electronics store in order to pick up their ipad?

Nice idea Danooky! That place that JT are at is obviously the wrong one though. I'm sure there are plenty of Apple stores in the LA area.

Only 5 that I can think of off the top of my head (1 in Manhattan Beach, 3 in LA, 1 in Santa Monica), but none of them look anything like that...

I looked at the clip of this again and they are definitely at a tv repair shop, probably not an apple store (I can't imagine them selling refurbished apples here - nothing in the shop front has anything apple and they would probably note something like that.)

around 0:37 in this video (http://www.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race/video/?pid=m8_nnA_sZTz4nTkg21qvw2qwW2jkMN30&vs=homepage&play=true (http://www.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race/video/?pid=m8_nnA_sZTz4nTkg21qvw2qwW2jkMN30&vs=homepage&play=true)) , you can get a clearer shot than the screen cap on here when Thomas is bouncing around. It says "mitsubishi authorized __" for sure, you can see the red mitsubishi 3-prong logo on the left hand side underneath the desk. The other side, as another poster pointed out, says 'Zenith'. There is a flat screen on the counter and a regular tube tv on the counter.
Some computer hard drives in the back.

probably not apple. but definitely something with tv repairs/electronic repairs. I checked yelp for some tv repair shops hoping to get photos of insides of some in LA but I couldn't find any.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: BK_amazing_race on December 08, 2010, 05:01:38 PM
Based off what Brook and Claire said in the preview in their taxi about they could be in first or last, I am assuming that they do not see N/K or J/T for much of the leg.  I bet after the bungee jumping, Brook and Claire don't see the others until the finish.  The empty iPad station also supports the fact that Brook and Claire were not at the memory task at the same time as others.  In the taxi to the finish line, they have no clue if they are in 1st or 3rd maybe because they haven't seen the others.  I would bet that Brook and Claire do not come in 2nd but its hard to say from these previews.  The editing can be completely misleading.
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Post by: kristin626 on December 08, 2010, 05:03:55 PM
Thanks, Prophet. A tv repair shop (mitsubishi and zenith)?  :cmas5 ???

Random thought, but what if it's not a TV repair place but a motorcycle repair place?  I am pretty sure both Zenith and Mitsubishi do motorcycles...maybe that is why that front office area is so small.  All of the certificates on the wall is what made me think this...usually at shops and stuff they have their ASE Certifications etc up.  I am sure they are still just stopping there because they are lost but maybe we can find a place that does that sort of thing?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 08, 2010, 06:45:25 PM
I doubt it, there are VCRs and such lining the back wall.
Quote from: TNF
It says "mitsubishi authorized __" for sure
Nice eye (and  :welcome2:) That's what I was working from this morning. Unfortunately, the database of service providers at the Mitsubishi site is horrible: bad, out-of-date results. And as Chateau and the others have implied: why bother? The location could be anywhere; they need directions to (somewhere), so they popped into the shop and the seated lady in the background is looking up Google Maps or something.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: furybaby on December 08, 2010, 06:54:18 PM
So based on the ss of Nat and Kat running near the final pit stop,
do you think Nat and Kat would win???
Also, it seems that: (typing...)
ALL ofthe teams are having trouble, they look
stressed out, Jill and Thomas plus Nat and Kat
probably got lost and Brooke and Claire is probably stuck on a challenge.
On the promo, it features more of B/C which is very surprising
but who knows, editing is a powerful tool.

 :cmas9 Happy Holidays RFF Detectives~!


 :xmas110
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Snooky on December 08, 2010, 06:56:39 PM
Here is where I think it is on googlemaps
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: crowlekm on December 08, 2010, 07:00:06 PM
Sorry I am new to RFF so this comment isnt in the right spot but in the picture of Brooke and Claire (where Brooke talks about the Bungee jump and such) maybe its just me but it looks like Claire was crying before that. I REALLY want a female team to win but they dont look to happy. It does not look like tears of joy. I am hoping Nat and Kat win then. Anyone but J/T. Maybe its just me but what do you guys think?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: furybaby on December 08, 2010, 07:09:05 PM
Also, I'm very surprised that a few more members of TAR has joined <33
Maybe because they're really excited?!
Only time can tell, unfortunately, I can only have acess to finale
on Sunday 12:00am it's on youtube as far as i'm concerned.

SO! Anyways! Welcome NEW RFF MEMBERS! *salut* (lol)

 :cow


 :hellkitchen
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 08, 2010, 07:30:13 PM
I drove down to Berth 95 (SPQ) to find the viewpoint. The picture below is from the corner of the helipad looking north. There are some container stacks (the only direction you can see them) but there's so much stuff cluttering the view that I doubt the J/T cab shot is there. They're either lost on Terminal Island as Chateau suggests, or they're at the crane site.
This intersection is where the cruise passengers arrive and it's also the terminal for the Catalina ferry. Any decent cabdriver would know how to get there. But the heliport? Finding it might be harder (fewer requests).

Nice Slowhatch!! Thanks!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 08, 2010, 07:38:51 PM
Here is where I think it is on googlemaps

Good work Snooky!!

Starting to work on the promo! Thanks for finding it prophet!

Caps sometime this century!:lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Belle Book on December 08, 2010, 07:52:53 PM
Quick Analysis:
1. No new information, but different angles of the same things.
2. They are running the first FF team to win thing into the ground.
3. The promo gives a lot of attention to Brooke and Claire.
4. The trip to LA is confirmed.

Since they're running the first FF team to win thing into the ground, I suspect that a FF team will win.  However, even if there's a lot of attention given to Brook & Claire (one FF team), I suspect that a different FF team (namely Nat & Kat) win instead.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: OC Watcher on December 08, 2010, 08:01:26 PM
I am perpetually in awe of the work done by the sleuths here. I haven't spent the kind of brain time on this that most of you have, but I did have a couple of thoughts/questions:

1. Are we sure that they take a taxi from the Rose Bowl to Greystone Mansion? Is it possible that all of the taxi shots are on the ride from LAX to the harbor? I doubt you can "catch" a taxi at the Rose Bowl unless there is an event there. The producers would have to prearrange for them.

This would also more likely explain Jill & Thomas being lost - especially if Snooky's location of the TV repair shop is correct. LAX to Catalina Ferry is a pretty simple trip, unless the cab driver missed the 47 (easy to do) and ended up in downtown San Pedro.

2. Getting from the Rose Bowl to Greystone is a traffic-riddled bitch of a drive. I'm almost in tears just looking at the map. Should be fun to watch.

3. Is it possible the iPad challenge is somewhere on the mansion grounds and the last run to the finish line is on foot from there?
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Post by: Lpadres on December 08, 2010, 08:11:34 PM
I am perpetually in awe of the work done by the sleuths here. I haven't spent the kind of brain time on this that most of you have, but I did have a couple of thoughts/questions:

1. Are we sure that they take a taxi from the Rose Bowl to Greystone Mansion? Is it possible that all of the taxi shots are on the ride from LAX to the harbor? I doubt you can "catch" a taxi at the Rose Bowl unless there is an event there. The producers would have to prearrange for them.

This would also more likely explain Jill & Thomas being lost - especially if Snooky's location of the TV repair shop is correct. LAX to Catalina Ferry is a pretty simple trip, unless the cab driver missed the 47 (easy to do) and ended up in downtown San Pedro.

2. Getting from the Rose Bowl to Greystone is a traffic-riddled bitch of a drive. I'm almost in tears just looking at the map. Should be fun to watch.

3. Is it possible the iPad challenge is somewhere on the mansion grounds and the last run to the finish line is on foot from there?

Id have no doubt that the producers would arrange for taxis there. I wouldnt be suprised the the producers also did a specific route that way some of the teams would definatly be stuck in traffic, adding suspense. And the ipad challenge appears to be in a studio or airplane hanger...unless the mansion has either, i dont think thats what they will do but good thought!
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Post by: georgiapeach on December 08, 2010, 08:31:27 PM
CAPS! Only did the new ones....


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Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Lpadres on December 08, 2010, 08:37:03 PM
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1206.snc4/155817_1740448395189_1358051908_2668785_4112057_n.jpg)
The following may be incredibly sad due to the fact I am rooting for Nat and Kat and I don't know which ones which:
Nat (Asuming she is the blonde one): Looks like shes talking. This shot has been confirmed to be in the Hong Kong episode. She may be talking about the eating challenge and how it was disgusting.
Kat (not trying to sound racist but assuming she is the asian one): She actually looks somewhat happy. She doesnt look sad at least.
This photo appears to have the background of Greyson park or mansion (ive heard it used both ways). Unfortunatly we cant tell which episode by their clothes because they wore the exact same outfit in Hong Kong and LA. Just though id add my opinion. Btw, im new heer.
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Post by: mike4lyf on December 08, 2010, 08:42:53 PM
Claire looks awfully sad in the Confessional where brooke is talking
 :cmas4 :cmas4 :cmas4 :cmas4 :cmas4 :cmas4 :cmas4 :cmas4 :cmas4
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 08, 2010, 08:44:21 PM
You can always tell who is who by reading from our left...NAT and Kat...so Nat is on the left and Kat on the right, and they will be kept that way in interviews, on the mat, anywhere "official".

:welcome: Lpadres!!
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Post by: georgiapeach on December 08, 2010, 08:45:30 PM
New promo is up! http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg569122.html#msg569122
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Lpadres on December 08, 2010, 08:49:46 PM
You can always tell who is who by reading from our left...NAT and Kat...so Nat is on the left and Kat on the right, and they will be kept that way in interviews, on the mat, anywhere "official".

:welcome: Lpadres!!
That makes sense! And thank you :cmas20!!!! i love the santas smilies Im just saying...
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Post by: coolio on December 08, 2010, 08:58:13 PM
Ok, I think we can find out alot by race interviews
B/C post-race Claire looks very sad and either she is an incredibly good actor or they lost
K/N comments on HK ep. Kat looks happy, amd the setting looks like greystone mansion, so they won?!?! :cmas22
also, J/T look very annoyed at the lady in the computer store, so maybe they're lost on the way to the finish line?

I'm kinda new here, and this might have all been said before. So if this post is unnesscary, then you can delete it!   
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Lpadres on December 08, 2010, 09:05:29 PM
Ok, I think we can find out alot by race interviews
B/C post-race Claire looks very sad and either she is an incredibly good actor or they lost
K/N comments on HK ep. Kat looks happy, amd the setting looks like greystone mansion, so they won?!?! :cmas22
also, J/T look very annoyed at the lady in the computer store, so maybe they're lost on the way to the finish line?

I'm kinda new here, and this might have all been said before. So if this post is unnesscary, then you can delete it!    
I completely agree with you. Jill and Thomas appear to be lost a lot in the previews. I dont think Claire is an actress but because she is a home shopping host, Im assuming that requires SOME acting skills, but it is very diffivult to fake that kind of emotion. She looks like she had 5 dogs and each one was hit by one car and they all died in her arms (a weird analogy, yes, but I say that a lot!)Plus, Brooke and Claire are normally very hyper so they could become easily distracted and miss something, like twice they missed about the cabs.
SUDDEN SPECULATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:
What if Brooke and Claire got their first BUT they took a cab somewhere when they weren't supposed to, giving them a penalty and making Nat and Kat win the race. I could see Claire crying over that,
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: coolio on December 08, 2010, 09:09:04 PM
Maybe! But u would think you would read the clue extra carefully for the final leg!? :cmas5
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Post by: Lpadres on December 08, 2010, 09:11:24 PM
Maybe! But u would think you would read the clue extra carefully for the final leg!? :cmas5
Thats what I thought about. Brooke and Claire are constantly forgetting stuff, and its normally when they are very excited or nervous. Now since this is the finale, they may go "Quick! Lets Go there! Take the taxi!" I know I would accidently do something like that.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: OC Watcher on December 08, 2010, 09:12:43 PM

 And the ipad challenge appears to be in a studio or airplane hanger...unless the mansion has either, i dont think thats what they will do but good thought!
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Could be. Maybe it's the camera angles, but that building looks too small to be an airplane hangar and the ceilings too low to be a studio. The doors behind Jill & Thomas look to be made of wooden slats. The open ceiling with the pipe running across it suggests a basement to me. Then again, I am not an expert at video analysis.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 08, 2010, 09:16:17 PM
OC!!  :xmas49
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Coutzy on December 08, 2010, 09:19:12 PM
Quote
And the ipad challenge appears to be in a studio or airplane hanger...unless the mansion has either, i dont think thats what they will do but good thought!

Could be. Maybe it's the camera angles, but that building looks too small to be an airplane hangar and the ceilings too low to be a studio. The doors behind Jill & Thomas look to be made of wooden slats. The open ceiling with the pipe running across it suggests a basement to me. Then again, I am not an expert at video analysis.

It looks like a storage warehouse to me, fwiw.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Lpadres on December 08, 2010, 09:28:32 PM
Quote
And the ipad challenge appears to be in a studio or airplane hanger...unless the mansion has either, i dont think thats what they will do but good thought!

Could be. Maybe it's the camera angles, but that building looks too small to be an airplane hangar and the ceilings too low to be a studio. The doors behind Jill & Thomas look to be made of wooden slats. The open ceiling with the pipe running across it suggests a basement to me. Then again, I am not an expert at video analysis.

It looks like a storage warehouse to me, fwiw.
I could be entirely wrong on the following but it could be just a though. What if the iPad challenge was in Korea, and then that revealed the destination of the finale? Ive been reading and so far we have no idea where they could have done that challenge so maybe...its just a thought though...
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Post by: connayyy on December 08, 2010, 09:38:38 PM

I could be entirely wrong on the following but it could be just a though. What if the iPad challenge was in Korea, and then that revealed the destination of the finale? Ive been reading and so far we have no idea where they could have done that challenge so maybe...its just a thought though...


Good idea, but I think in the promo Thomas actually reads a clue telling them to go to L.A., rather than working out something from the challenge. I think it's more likely that the iPad challenge is the final memory task.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: NoluckBoston on December 08, 2010, 09:39:33 PM
What troubles me, is why we don't see a confessional of Thomas and Jill? Is it because they are to smiley? They won? The other two seems to have such sad faces for a win.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Lpadres on December 08, 2010, 09:40:56 PM

I could be entirely wrong on the following but it could be just a though. What if the iPad challenge was in Korea, and then that revealed the destination of the finale? Ive been reading and so far we have no idea where they could have done that challenge so maybe...its just a thought though...


Good idea, but I think in the promo Thomas actually reads a clue telling them to go to L.A., rather than working out something from the challenge. I think it's more likely that the iPad challenge is the final memory task.
Oh yeah..I forgot about that...
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Lpadres on December 08, 2010, 09:46:00 PM
What troubles me, is why we don't see a confessional of Thomas and Jill? Is it because they are to smiley? They won? The other two seems to have such sad faces for a win.
I didn't notice that! Everyone was so focused on the constant reminder of how an all female team may win that they never noticed that! But actually, Nat and Kats confessional also isn't shown in the promo. It was shown in a previous episode so maybe they thought we wouldn't notice. What if they did have Jill and Thomals's final confessional but they had it in a previous episode and we overlooked that? Oh the things to ponder upon...
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Snooky on December 08, 2010, 09:54:38 PM
As you can see in the new caps, it shows on the table MI on cap 29 and SHI on cap 28.
It is definitely Mitisubishi!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: bevsee on December 08, 2010, 09:57:09 PM
Guys, just want to point out something here.
If you watch the new promo, it shows that Brook & Claire and Nat & Kat are in the same flight.
Jill & Thomas could possibly be ahead, or behind them.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Snooky on December 08, 2010, 09:59:00 PM
Not sure if this has been said yet, but at least one of the teams are on Korean Air...Probably Jill & Thomas if not all teams?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Lpadres on December 08, 2010, 10:07:41 PM
Guys, just want to point out something here.
If you watch the new promo, it shows that Brook & Claire and Nat & Kat are in the same flight.
Jill & Thomas could possibly be ahead, or behind them.

True, but it looks like it doesnt matter becuase Jill and Thomas appear to be at the bunjee cord challenge at the same time as Brooke and Claire, who have been (as you said) confirmed to be on the same flight as Nat and Kat.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 08, 2010, 10:37:21 PM
I did a little work in the field today.   :cmas25

The Rose Bowl was getting a new sod carpet!  I wonder why?   :cmaslol

I have a fair number of things to report so bear with me!!!!!

On any given moment from 6 am to dark on every day there are roughly 2000 people running, jogging walking,  biking, dot dot dot around the Rose Bowl.  And many do it as a matter of DAILY routine.  So, I asked questions.  Yes, people do remember what happened on Wednesday June 15th!  The guys who fly their 100 mph remote control Messerschmidts and Spitfires over the vast grassy fields were grounded.  I was unable to sort out the order that the teams arrived, but I think we already got that.

I know why they came to the Rose Bowl.  And it's not just because it is a good place to land a chopper.  Just ask yourself what is Pasadena well known for?  And then ask why would there be one of these (http://www.marching.com/photos/2009-pasadena-rose-parade-floats-pictures/kaiser-permanente.jpg) at the Rose Bowl in the middle of June!!   :cmas16

I don't know if it was set up as a Detour or as a Road Block, but I know what they did inside the Rose Bowl!


Here is the scene where the helicopters land:



Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Lpadres on December 08, 2010, 10:45:29 PM
So, do they remember how they left to? Im just wondering because that would also be a little help...you may have mentioned that but I may have read it wrong...
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Post by: zaraice on December 08, 2010, 10:58:23 PM
Guys, just want to point out something here.
If you watch the new promo, it shows that Brook & Claire and Nat & Kat are in the same flight.
Jill & Thomas could possibly be ahead, or behind them.

True, but it looks like it doesnt matter becuase Jill and Thomas appear to be at the bunjee cord challenge at the same time as Brooke and Claire, who have been (as you said) confirmed to be on the same flight as Nat and Kat.

Yeah I agree. B/C and N/K left the pitstop after J/T. It is likely that J/T were waiting for the LA flight by themselves, while the 4 girls were hanging around together at the airport, like what was shown in the new promo. But, most likely all 6 were all on the same flight.

By the way, hi to everyone here, yet another new member! Lol. You guys are amazing at finding stuff, like you all work for some police department or something. Anyway, I just wanted to stick my neck out and say that I have this feeling N/K are gonna run out winners. In all the promos, they look the calmest and cool-headed and, should I say, self-assured? Well, you could say that they would be so even if the sky were gonna fall the next minute, but I guess that also means it will help them greatly in this stressful final leg.

Of course, there's always this sneaky feeling that J/T can still win it, given their sheer determination and will, while B/C are pretty consistent racers, but if I had to choose the team that would be least likely to make an error under stressful conditions, N/K are really no-brainers.  :cmas16
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Post by: furybaby on December 08, 2010, 11:03:13 PM
I find it very heart-breaking to see Claire with such
a sad face when Brook says: "And that was when I lost my bananas"

I'm pretty sure that they didn't win then, which is heart-breaking.
Now I'm pretty much rooting for doctors.

Or I could be wrong, it might just be the bunjeee jump thing
and she was terrified, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.

LOL like 10 new members each day? XD
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Post by: zaraice on December 08, 2010, 11:19:09 PM
I find it very heart-breaking to see Claire with such
a sad face when Brook says: "And that was when I lost my bananas"

I'm pretty sure that they didn't win then, which is heart-breaking.
Now I'm pretty much rooting for doctors.

Or I could be wrong, it might just be the bunjeee jump thing
and she was terrified, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.

LOL like 10 new members each day? XD

Yeah! I was also sad to see Claire so teary-eyed. She had so much bad luck in this race, she and Brooke sort of deserved to win just on that account! They were brilliant racers really, high-spirited yet never mean to the other teams or even to each other even though they were some sort of TV celebrities in their own right.

Oh well, it's too bad that the final three are actually likeable people. Even Thomas and his occasional pig-headedness. Recent episodes have improved my opinion of J/T quite greatly to be honest. I have a feeling the final leg isn't actually as close as it seems in the promos, but still, I am looking forward to a good ending to another good season.  :cmas20
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: bevsee on December 08, 2010, 11:56:19 PM
When I rewatch the new preview video, it looks like at the airport, Nat is behind Thomas & Jill.
So, most probably all three teams will be in the same flight.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 09, 2010, 12:22:46 AM
I could not figure out where the cab was located in this shot.  I knew it had to be Pasadena because of the cop car.  There is something showing in the rear window.  I tried to make it be the Rose Bowl in GE but it never looked right.  So I went to the Rose Bowl to look for other angles.  I got a match!

So now we know they picked up their cabs after decorating the float(s) inside the Rose Bowl.  Peeps said there was bunch of cabs waiting there for hours.  Way more than three.  I needed a cab on June 15th to go to LAX and it was hard to find one!  Now I know why!   :cmaslol

This shot was taken Here:

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23566.0;attach=170703;image)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 09, 2010, 12:30:40 AM
Here is that view of the Rose Bowl that they will show teams running toward:

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Lpadres on December 09, 2010, 12:34:56 AM
Is it just me or when Nat is calling the dude, she seems very relaxed. She does not seemed worried at all, just a little anxious to get there as if they are in first, or close to being in first!
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Post by: georgiapeach on December 09, 2010, 12:49:51 AM
Wonderful job Chateau!!

 :bow: :bow: :bow:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 09, 2010, 12:51:52 AM
Is it just me or when Nat is calling the dude, she seems very relaxed. She does not seemed worried at all, just a little anxious to get there as if they are in first, or close to being in first!

She is an Anesthesiologist. Lives depend on her staying calm under the worst of pressure. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 09, 2010, 01:52:46 AM
New short promo added:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg569122.html#msg569122
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: TAR new fan on December 09, 2010, 02:10:54 AM
Not sure if this has been said yet, but at least one of the teams are on Korean Air...Probably Jill & Thomas if not all teams?

What troubles me about this promo cap is that the blue airport line running across here is what looks like blurred out Chinese, not Korean. And J/T look like they were in the Korean air terminal. Yet B/C and N/K are together here joking about pedicures. If they are leaving from Seoul, I don't know why they would have that line in what I think is Chinese running across the line unless 1) they ended up on a China Air flight back to LAX; or 2) they had to transfer to Taiwan or HK, then fly to LAX.

anybody concur with me here that might recognize chinese v. korean? am pretty sure but it is hard to see b/c it is blurred.

**edited for clarity
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Anthonyctf on December 09, 2010, 02:52:30 AM
Not sure if this has been said yet, but at least one of the teams are on Korean Air...Probably Jill & Thomas if not all teams?
What troubles me about this promo cap is that the blue airport line running across here is what looks like blurred out Chinese, not Korean. And J/T look like they were in the Korean air terminal. Yet B/C and N/K are together here joking about pedicures. If they are leaving from Seoul, I don't know why they would have that line in what I think is Chinese running across the line unless 1) they ended up on a China Air flight back to LAX; or 2) they had to transfer to Taiwan or HK, then fly to LAX.

anybody concur with me here that might recognize chinese v. korean? am pretty sure but it is hard to see b/c it is blurred.


Not sure if this has been said yet, but at least one of the teams are on Korean Air...Probably Jill & Thomas if not all teams?

What troubles me about this promo cap is that the blue airport line running across here is what looks like blurred out Chinese, not Korean. And J/T look like they were in the Korean air terminal. Yet B/C and N/K are together here joking about pedicures. If they are leaving from Seoul, I don't know why they would have that line in what I think is Chinese running across the line unless 1) they ended up on a China Air flight back to LAX; or 2) they had to transfer to Taiwan or HK, then fly to LAX.

anybody concur with me here that might recognize chinese v. korean? am pretty sure but it is hard to see b/c it is blurred.

**edited for clarity


As I am a Chinese...... I am 100% sure that this is not Chinese letter :cmas16
The 2nd letter (From the left) clearly shows it is korean


edited to fix quote tags
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: bevsee on December 09, 2010, 02:58:54 AM
there are 2 possibilities of the characters, it could be korean characters and it could be chinese traditional characters. if it is chinese traditional characters, then it means that teams transit in Taiwan, as mainland China and Hongkong use Simplified Chinese.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Anthonyctf on December 09, 2010, 05:01:19 AM
there are 2 possibilities of the characters, it could be korean characters and it could be chinese traditional characters. if it is chinese traditional characters, then it means that teams transit in Taiwan, as mainland China and Hongkong use Simplified Chinese.


Hong Kong use Traditional Chinese also......
anyway I still think it is korean
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: franxaverian on December 09, 2010, 06:35:35 AM
Is there any possibility that iPad challenge is before the helicopter task?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: SkyWriter9 on December 09, 2010, 08:15:25 AM
I know you were talking about (OMG I just noticed the christmas animations!!!  :cmas51) the previews with them in the taxi. I think that Jill and Thomas in the taxi wasn't in LA. I just re-watched the one where they were in Hong Kong, and that shot looks like when they were leaving the airport in China. So... some of the shots may not be from the last leg.

This shot??

They are at the bridge...see the containers??

Good eyes, skywriter and Peach. I think skywriter meant this pic:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FINALEpreviewcaps1526-Copy.jpg)

I think that this is from LA though judging by the clothes.

Yeah, that's the shot I was talking about.
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Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 08:30:57 AM
Excellent work Chateau!!  :cmas16
That was a great idea considering that all those people would probably remember the choppers coming in and othe unusual events.
I think that just as the producers want it, the float task will tend to even out teams so that it is all about the final task.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 08:37:15 AM
This cap gives us a different shot of the repair shop. That is a RI clue on the desk, where are they trying to go?
I still lean towards no DT and think that the float thing is a RB. This seems to back up the idea that they are looking for the final task or a pickup point for the Ipad.
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Post by: Jobby on December 09, 2010, 08:43:18 AM
Not sure if this has been said yet, but at least one of the teams are on Korean Air...Probably Jill & Thomas if not all teams?

What troubles me about this promo cap is that the blue airport line running across here is what looks like blurred out Chinese, not Korean. And J/T look like they were in the Korean air terminal. Yet B/C and N/K are together here joking about pedicures. If they are leaving from Seoul, I don't know why they would have that line in what I think is Chinese running across the line unless 1) they ended up on a China Air flight back to LAX; or 2) they had to transfer to Taiwan or HK, then fly to LAX.

anybody concur with me here that might recognize chinese v. korean? am pretty sure but it is hard to see b/c it is blurred.

**edited for clarity

Definitely korean. :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 09:04:11 AM
One more pic to think about. What is that yellow thing? Maybe what they retrieve at the bottom of the jump?

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/Promo%202/PROMO2caps1158.jpg)
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Post by: Cocoa on December 09, 2010, 09:07:24 AM
Overthinking. It's the envelop that contains next clue. :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 09, 2010, 09:25:05 AM
One more pic to think about. What is that yellow thing? Maybe what they retrieve at the bottom of the jump?

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/Promo%202/PROMO2caps1158.jpg)

Nat & Kat have finished the Float Decoration task and are now running to the line of waiting taxis.  So that envelope is clue they got at the Rose Bowl.  Note that there is a white helicopter sitting there.   :cmas16  And not only that, I can see people running away from that helicopter.

Slowhatch:  Keep looking for TV repair around San Pedro & Long Beach   :cmas16  

Because I'm thinking that the first destination after landing is never something so obscure and boring as "Teams must now find the tiny helipad next to the Catalina ferry".  They must have been sent to find something interesting in the San Pedro/Long Beach area.  I think the timeings give a big enough gap to support that.    :cmas25
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 09:26:22 AM
Can we all be a Chateau and help with unveiling the REAL mystery and not add to more questions which will only lead to more baseless speculation? :cmas5

 :hides


What is the REAL mystery?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Jobby on December 09, 2010, 09:33:06 AM
Chateau, you are right, the Nat and Kat scene in the cab which you unveiled probably comes after this i supposed.

Come to think of it, there's only one helicopter in the screen cap. Let me go take a look at other screen caps.

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 09, 2010, 09:39:45 AM
It's an interesting cap. I'm starting to think there might be a significant gap (good or bad) between NatKat and the other teams.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Jobby on December 09, 2010, 09:42:33 AM
I checked and all Nat and Kat's screen caps with the helicopter seemed to be the only lone one.

But i'm not going to speculate and say they're probably in first place at that point. Maybe it's just camera angles.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 09:50:22 AM
Well, if they have to get an iPad from a store, then Brook & Claire are definitely behind at least one team, remember the empty station I pointed out before?

Why can't that mean that they are ahead?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 09:53:17 AM

Nat & Kat have finished the Float Decoration task and are now running to the line of waiting taxis.  So that envelope is clue they got at the Rose Bowl.  Note that there is a white helicopter sitting there.   :cmas16  And not only that, I can see people running away from that helicopter.

Isn't that probably the helicopter they arrived in? Either way those people do not look like any of the teams. If it is a team it is J/T because I believe B/C were in a blue chopper.
I am starting to think that the promo's over emphasis on B/C is trying to set up a surprise win of one of the other teams.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 09, 2010, 10:00:15 AM
You're right, I think it is their helicopter and the people there are just the crew/production.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Belle Book on December 09, 2010, 10:09:05 AM

Nat & Kat have finished the Float Decoration task and are now running to the line of waiting taxis.  So that envelope is clue they got at the Rose Bowl.  Note that there is a white helicopter sitting there.   :cmas16  And not only that, I can see people running away from that helicopter.

Isn't that probably the helicopter they arrived in? Either way those people do not look like any of the teams. If it is a team it is J/T because I believe B/C were in a blue chopper.
I am starting to think that the promo's over emphasis on B/C is trying to set up a surprise win of one of the other teams.

That's what I thought as well.  And I think the surprise team is actually Nat & Kat, although that's less of a surprise since we're all thinking Nat & Kat are ahead and most here are thinking they came in first -- including me!

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 09, 2010, 10:57:46 AM
Quote from: Phil
Traffic. I’ll just say that.
I can tell you personally that the SB405 or EB105 shouldn't be a problem on a Tuesday morning (assuming 15Jun). But if there's something in the morning gap as Chateau has mentioned then all bets are off. There's no archive data I could find, but this site (http://www.trafficpredict.com/) will give you a rough idea: click the "Historical L.A." dropdown box and choose an hour from a Tuesday morning to get an idea of the traffic.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: gator27 on December 09, 2010, 11:26:37 AM
Quote from: Phil
Traffic. I’ll just say that.
I can tell you personally that the SB405 or EB105 shouldn't be a problem on a Tuesday morning (assuming 15Jun). But if there's something in the morning gap as Chateau has mentioned then all bets are off. There's no archive data I could find, but this site (http://www.trafficpredict.com/) will give you a rough idea: click the "Historical L.A." dropdown box and choose an hour from a Tuesday morning to get an idea of the traffic.

Can't we have Jack Bauer down at CTU pull all the traffic camera data from June 15 and track them down that way?! :cmas27 :cmas31: :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: TAR new fan on December 09, 2010, 12:03:48 PM
Well, if they have to get an iPad from a store, then Brook & Claire are definitely behind at least one team, remember the empty station I pointed out before?

Why can't that mean that they are ahead?

I agree. We were quick to assume that B/C were behind b/c of the empty ipad dock, but it could very well be that they are way ahead!!

Also, it looks like Nat is holding a blue route info clue in her hands in this cap, so maybe this is before the Rose Bowl, not after (? forgive me I am still new to this). What bugs me about this cap too is that N/K are the only one at this location that have this yellow line/curtain looking thing in the right hand side. Any idea of what that is or anyone else notice that too? It is either a weird editing thing or looks like they are on the edge of a stage curtain maybe? hard to say.  :cmas13
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Ary on December 09, 2010, 12:06:25 PM
all the hype about possibility F/F team win I hope right (I root for N/K)

but I kinda have speculation that producer make TAR 18 all stars because TAR 17 winner is not F/F team, so producer maybe afraid lose many viewers, that's way they make TAR 18 all star

that's only speculation, sorry for my bad english
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 12:20:55 PM
Well, if they have to get an iPad from a store, then Brook & Claire are definitely behind at least one team, remember the empty station I pointed out before?

Why can't that mean that they are ahead?

I agree. We were quick to assume that B/C were behind b/c of the empty ipad dock, but it could very well be that they are way ahead!!

Also, it looks like Nat is holding a blue route info clue in her hands in this cap, so maybe this is before the Rose Bowl, not after (? forgive me I am still new to this). What bugs me about this cap too is that N/K are the only one at this location that have this yellow line/curtain looking thing in the right hand side. Any idea of what that is or anyone else notice that too? It is either a weird editing thing or looks like they are on the edge of a stage curtain maybe? hard to say.  :cmas13

What empty iPad dock?
It is likely that this is a final memory task.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: TAR new fan on December 09, 2010, 12:25:24 PM
Well, if they have to get an iPad from a store, then Brook & Claire are definitely behind at least one team, remember the empty station I pointed out before?

Why can't that mean that they are ahead?

I agree. We were quick to assume that B/C were behind b/c of the empty ipad dock, but it could very well be that they are way ahead!!

Also, it looks like Nat is holding a blue route info clue in her hands in this cap, so maybe this is before the Rose Bowl, not after (? forgive me I am still new to this). What bugs me about this cap too is that N/K are the only one at this location that have this yellow line/curtain looking thing in the right hand side. Any idea of what that is or anyone else notice that too? It is either a weird editing thing or looks like they are on the edge of a stage curtain maybe? hard to say.  :cmas13

What empty iPad dock?
It is likely that this is a final memory task.

here is the empty iPad dock in the lower right hand side.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 12:29:10 PM
Well, if they have to get an iPad from a store, then Brook & Claire are definitely behind at least one team, remember the empty station I pointed out before?

Why can't that mean that they are ahead?

I agree. We were quick to assume that B/C were behind b/c of the empty ipad dock, but it could very well be that they are way ahead!!

Also, it looks like Nat is holding a blue route info clue in her hands in this cap, so maybe this is before the Rose Bowl, not after (? forgive me I am still new to this). What bugs me about this cap too is that N/K are the only one at this location that have this yellow line/curtain looking thing in the right hand side. Any idea of what that is or anyone else notice that too? It is either a weird editing thing or looks like they are on the edge of a stage curtain maybe? hard to say.  :cmas13

What empty iPad dock?
It is likely that this is a final memory task.

here is the empty iPad dock in the lower right hand side.

Aaahhh!  :spy:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: OC Watcher on December 09, 2010, 02:19:16 PM
OC!!  :xmas49

Hi, GP!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: coolio on December 09, 2010, 02:40:45 PM
Well, if they have to get an iPad from a store, then Brook & Claire are definitely behind at least one team, remember the empty station I pointed out before?

Why can't that mean that they are ahead?

well, if they have to get an ipad, then the station w/ the ipad means someone got thier ipad and finished. However, this is only true if they must pick up thier ipads sorry for the confusion!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 02:42:10 PM
Well, if they have to get an iPad from a store, then Brook & Claire are definitely behind at least one team, remember the empty station I pointed out before?

Why can't that mean that they are ahead?

well, if they have to get an ipad, then the station w/ the ipad means someone got thier ipad and finished. However, this is only true if they must pick up thier ipads sorry for the confusion!

Or it means that the user of that stand has not arrived and put it down yet.
We can't figure out any timing of the final task, since it's inside a dark building. The TAR producers were CLEVER!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: coolio on December 09, 2010, 02:46:00 PM
I'm sorry,  but when did we figure out the rose bowl task was a float decorating task? :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 02:51:01 PM
On last year's finale promo, all three teams were shown in succession carrying the trunks, when they were not close to each other at all. Similary, this year, the three teams shown strategically in succession without any other teams in their individual shots makes it impossible to determine the order of teams.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: gator27 on December 09, 2010, 03:11:55 PM
I'm sorry,  but when did we figure out the rose bowl task was a float decorating task? :cmas5
I did a little work in the field today.   :cmas25

The Rose Bowl was getting a new sod carpet!  I wonder why?   :cmaslol

I have a fair number of things to report so bear with me!!!!!

On any given moment from 6 am to dark on every day there are roughly 2000 people running, jogging walking,  biking, dot dot dot around the Rose Bowl.  And many do it as a matter of DAILY routine.  So, I asked questions.  Yes, people do remember what happened on Wednesday June 15th!  The guys who fly their 100 mph remote control Messerschmidts and Spitfires over the vast grassy fields were grounded.  I was unable to sort out the order that the teams arrived, but I think we already got that.

I know why they came to the Rose Bowl.  And it's not just because it is a good place to land a chopper.  Just ask yourself what is Pasadena well known for?  And then ask why would there be one of these (http://www.marching.com/photos/2009-pasadena-rose-parade-floats-pictures/kaiser-permanente.jpg) at the Rose Bowl in the middle of June!!   :cmas16

I don't know if it was set up as a Detour or as a Road Block, but I know what they did inside the Rose Bowl!



Coolio,

I had the same thought about the floats.  If you go back to Chateau's email, the words "one of these" is a link.  That link shows you a picture of a float.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 03:21:21 PM
Thanks for clearing that up, gator!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: coolio on December 09, 2010, 03:24:20 PM
Thank You SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much Gator!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 09, 2010, 03:26:09 PM
Quote from: Phil
Traffic. I’ll just say that.
I can tell you personally that the SB405 or EB105 shouldn't be a problem on a Tuesday morning (assuming 15Jun). But if there's something in the morning gap as Chateau has mentioned then all bets are off. There's no archive data I could find, but this site (http://www.trafficpredict.com/) will give you a rough idea: click the "Historical L.A." dropdown box and choose an hour from a Tuesday morning to get an idea of the traffic.

Can't we have Jack Bauer down at CTU pull all the traffic camera data from June 15 and track them down that way?! :cmas27 :cmas31: :cmaslol

Note to Peach:   When is that surveillance satellite going up?  
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Minnesota_Friend on December 09, 2010, 04:39:08 PM
Hi, long-time Lurking Admirer here.  :cmas29 I have a question for those of you who taped the Korean leg:

1) When Nat & Kat are giving their comments about an all-female winning team, did Nat speak in "present tense"? As in, "We are honored to be the first all-female team to win The Amazing Race."

If not, then my hearing is bad (Not surprising!). If she did use "present tense," are TPTB throwing us off? Or spoiling their own show?  :xmas146
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 04:43:14 PM
Quote from: Phil
Traffic. I’ll just say that.
I can tell you personally that the SB405 or EB105 shouldn't be a problem on a Tuesday morning (assuming 15Jun). But if there's something in the morning gap as Chateau has mentioned then all bets are off. There's no archive data I could find, but this site (http://www.trafficpredict.com/) will give you a rough idea: click the "Historical L.A." dropdown box and choose an hour from a Tuesday morning to get an idea of the traffic.

Can't we have Jack Bauer down at CTU pull all the traffic camera data from June 15 and track them down that way?! :cmas27 :cmas31: :cmaslol

Note to Peach:   When is that surveillance satellite going up?  

:cmaslol :lol: :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: OC Watcher on December 09, 2010, 05:01:22 PM
And if I might toss in some more uninvited speculation, I would posit that the empty iPad station in the Brook & Claire memory-challenge shot belongs to Jill & Thomas.

Nat & Kat have what seems to be a plywood divider just to their left, which is not visible in the B&C shot. Also, Jill is looking pretty much straight over the iPad, which should just about line up with where B&C are looking if she were standing on the left side of the empty iPad station. Nat & Kat, on the other hand, are looking sharply to the left, which would imply they are to B&C's left, angled slightly to whatever everyone is looking at.

This could mean that J&T are the lagging team, which would make sense if they had to stop for directions.

OTOH, this could be fantasy on my part.

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 05:15:36 PM
And if I might toss in some more uninvited speculation, I would posit that the empty iPad station in the Brook & Claire memory-challenge shot belongs to Jill & Thomas.

Nat & Kat have what seems to be a plywood divider just to their left, which is not visible in the B&C shot. Also, Jill is looking pretty much straight over the iPad, which should just about line up with where B&C are looking if she were standing on the left side of the empty iPad station. Nat & Kat, on the other hand, are looking sharply to the left, which would imply they are to B&C's left, angled slightly to whatever everyone is looking at.

This could mean that J&T are the lagging team, which would make sense if they had to stop for directions.

OTOH, this could be fantasy on my part.



This isn't uninvited speculation...we want people to post their opinions! This looks like a very detailed assessment. You may be on to something!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: racing_sausageWI on December 09, 2010, 07:11:43 PM
Just saw this.  Sorry if its been mentioned already or if its in the wrong place.  
"Phil Keoghan loves that girl power dominates 'The Amazing Race' season finale"

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/12/phil-keoghan-loves-that-girl-power-dominates-the-amazing-race-season-finale.html


Edit: Sorry saw this was posted elsewhere.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: spolarium on December 09, 2010, 07:16:39 PM
Is there anyone who has the post race confessional of JILL and THOMAS...


I wont accept it if jill and thomas wins
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: coolio on December 09, 2010, 07:24:05 PM
I just thought of something! what if that yellow line isn't a wall, but a spilt screen about to go on! there is a hint of brown that doesn't match up! Does anyone agree??
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 07:25:51 PM
I just thought of something! what if that yellow line isn't a wall, but a spilt screen about to go on! there is a hint of brown that doesn't match up! Does anyone agree??

In which cap?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: coolio on December 09, 2010, 07:33:48 PM
This one!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 07:47:52 PM
This one!

That's definitely an idea. It's good to think outside the box like that and is worth keeping in mind. Unfortunately it is hard to tell what they could be transitioning to....
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: racing_sausageWI on December 09, 2010, 07:59:12 PM
I just thought of something! what if that yellow line isn't a wall, but a spilt screen about to go on! there is a hint of brown that doesn't match up! Does anyone agree??

I went back and watched previous episodes and split screens haven't had any colored borders, generally just a black space between the two shots.  Not to say they couldn't do that this leg, but they haven't in the past.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Belle Book on December 09, 2010, 08:00:50 PM
And if I might toss in some more uninvited speculation, I would posit that the empty iPad station in the Brook & Claire memory-challenge shot belongs to Jill & Thomas.

Nat & Kat have what seems to be a plywood divider just to their left, which is not visible in the B&C shot. Also, Jill is looking pretty much straight over the iPad, which should just about line up with where B&C are looking if she were standing on the left side of the empty iPad station. Nat & Kat, on the other hand, are looking sharply to the left, which would imply they are to B&C's left, angled slightly to whatever everyone is looking at.

This could mean that J&T are the lagging team, which would make sense if they had to stop for directions.

OTOH, this could be fantasy on my part.



Hmm, that's possible.  If Jill & Thomas had to stop for directions, that would enable Brook & Claire to get ahead of them, though I still think Nat & Kat are too far ahead for Brook & Claire to pass them.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: coolio on December 09, 2010, 08:10:14 PM
Its just that it being a wood partion dosen't make sense to me. it's even overlapping their table a little at the bottom. Also, is it was a partion, they would be looking stright at it wouldn't they?!?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: coolio on December 09, 2010, 08:13:38 PM
Wait I know!! It tranisitioning to a float at the rose bowl w/ brown flowers!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Flamant on December 09, 2010, 08:25:38 PM
And if I might toss in some more uninvited speculation, I would posit that the empty iPad station in the Brook & Claire memory-challenge shot belongs to Jill & Thomas.

Nat & Kat have what seems to be a plywood divider just to their left, which is not visible in the B&C shot. Also, Jill is looking pretty much straight over the iPad, which should just about line up with where B&C are looking if she were standing on the left side of the empty iPad station. Nat & Kat, on the other hand, are looking sharply to the left, which would imply they are to B&C's left, angled slightly to whatever everyone is looking at.

This could mean that J&T are the lagging team, which would make sense if they had to stop for directions.

OTOH, this could be fantasy on my part.



Hmm, that's possible.  If Jill & Thomas had to stop for directions, that would enable Brook & Claire to get ahead of them, though I still think Nat & Kat are too far ahead for Brook & Claire to pass them.

Belle Book


Dont forget what Phil said in his interview:
Quote
And there’s a few dramatic turns and twists and you’ll be doing a lot of second-guessing. You think you’ll have it all worked out and then it will turn another way.
This must mean that Nat & Kat may not always be in front of the pack. (this dosent mean that they wont win either)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: mswood on December 09, 2010, 08:36:38 PM
Well just think of season 15's finale, at some point every single team was ahead during the tasks in Vegas.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Jobby on December 09, 2010, 08:49:56 PM
Well just think of season 15's finale, at some point every single team was ahead during the tasks in Vegas.

To be exact, Brian and Ericka was first with Roadblock, then Meghan and Cheyne first at theater task, then Sam and Dan first at Chips counting task. One of the most exciting finale for about let's say... 50 minutes of the show until it was clear Meghan and Cheyne would win.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: OC Watcher on December 09, 2010, 09:21:59 PM
Its just that it being a wood partion dosen't make sense to me. it's even overlapping their table a little at the bottom. Also, is it was a partion, they would be looking stright at it wouldn't they?!?

Originally, I thought the "partition" was well behind them and just brought forward by the camera lens. The Plexiglas desk would "disappear" in front of it. But the more I look at it, the more artificial and FX-y it seems.

It could be that the question or clue they are looking at is being shown to us via split screen, but the editors removed it for this clip.

Still, given the steep left angle for N&K, they probably are to B&C's left. If the three desks are arranged in a horseshoe pattern around a central display, N&K would be to the extreme left with B&C in the center.

Unless the editors flipped the shot ...
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: TAR new fan on December 09, 2010, 09:51:56 PM
Its just that it being a wood partion dosen't make sense to me. it's even overlapping their table a little at the bottom. Also, is it was a partion, they would be looking stright at it wouldn't they?!?

Originally, I thought the "partition" was well behind them and just brought forward by the camera lens. The Plexiglas desk would "disappear" in front of it. But the more I look at it, the more artificial and FX-y it seems.

It could be that the question or clue they are looking at is being shown to us via split screen, but the editors removed it for this clip.

Still, given the steep left angle for N&K, they probably are to B&C's left. If the three desks are arranged in a horseshoe pattern around a central display, N&K would be to the extreme left with B&C in the center.

Unless the editors flipped the shot ...

I think the righthand side of N/K's glass podium is cutoff by some editing (The yellow line) and I don't think the angle is shifted for the podium. It is just the shape of the podium that is funky. If you look at the other podiums too, it looks like they are all a triangle-ish shape, with the apex pointing outwards from where the two stand. (see p.10 of this thread for comparison.)
*Although that does leave us with the question of why the apex is pointed towards the viewer, but their bodies are looking leftwards (so either the podium is not centered towards whatever big screen might be in the middle or there are multiple screens or whatever they are looking at spread out...)

This is my guess. But it could also be editors messing with us!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 09, 2010, 10:29:11 PM
Quote from: Phil
Traffic. I’ll just say that.
I can tell you personally that the SB405 or EB105 shouldn't be a problem on a Tuesday morning (assuming 15Jun). But if there's something in the morning gap as Chateau has mentioned then all bets are off. There's no archive data I could find, but this site (http://www.trafficpredict.com/) will give you a rough idea: click the "Historical L.A." dropdown box and choose an hour from a Tuesday morning to get an idea of the traffic.

Can't we have Jack Bauer down at CTU pull all the traffic camera data from June 15 and track them down that way?! :cmas27 :cmas31: :cmaslol

Note to Peach:   When is that surveillance satellite going up?   

Jack is on it now! :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: zaraice on December 09, 2010, 10:51:15 PM
Hi guys, remember the promo where Brook said "we could be first, or last"?

So my question is, isn't that a taxi they were in when she said that? If so, then they must have said that before VT Bridge, or after Pasadena. That means after Pasadena would be a more likely timing, since it doesn't make sense that they would make such dramatic statement so early in the leg. So, if they said after Pasadena, then they couldn't have seen any teams during the task at Rose Bowl. And this leads me to believe that J/T screwed up big time during the time between the bungee jump and Pasadena, since it seems as though B/C and J/T saw each other at the bungee jump. In addition, it looks like N/K have established such a huge lead, for some reason, over B/C that B/C could not even catch a glimpse of N/K at all, since like, what, the bungee jump? (It has been largely confirmed that the order of the bungee jump is N/K, J/T and B/C, yes?)

I must say though, the iPad memory task is really throwing me off. However, I highly doubt that teams have to find and bring an iPad for that task. Why would the producers allow them to be able to guess their position from the number of iPads already present when they began on the task? Second, it seems quite risky and highly inconvenient for teams to be running around with a rather fragile yet important tool...
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: TAR new fan on December 09, 2010, 11:04:10 PM
Hi guys, remember the promo where Brook said "we could be first, or last"?

So my question is, isn't that a taxi they were in when she said that? If so, then they must have said that before VT Bridge, or after Pasadena. That means after Pasadena would be a more likely timing, since it doesn't make sense that they would make such dramatic statement so early in the leg. So, if they said after Pasadena, then they couldn't have seen any teams during the task at Rose Bowl. And this leads me to believe that J/T screwed up big time during the time between the bungee jump and Pasadena, since it seems as though B/C and J/T saw each other at the bungee jump. In addition, it looks like N/K have established such a huge lead, for some reason, over B/C that B/C could not even catch a glimpse of N/K at all, since like, what, the bungee jump? (It has been largely confirmed that the order of the bungee jump is N/K, J/T and B/C, yes?)

I must say though, the iPad memory task is really throwing me off. However, I highly doubt that teams have to find and bring an iPad for that task. Why would the producers allow them to be able to guess their position from the number of iPads already present when they began on the task? Second, it seems quite risky and highly inconvenient for teams to be running around with a rather fragile yet important tool...


Didn't someone conclude already earlier that B/C said this in a cab on the way to Greystone at the very end? Someone did a search and found the highway sign right above the cab when they were being taped, I thought.  :sab
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Lpadres on December 09, 2010, 11:47:07 PM
I think the find and buy and iPad thing isn't real because when you see Brooke and Claire run up to it, it's right there. I'm pretty sure in one of the promos they are running towards the station. And also, it appears that Kat has somewhat of a notebook/diary thing out, maybe so it would help remind her of where they went and eliminated teams!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Lpadres on December 10, 2010, 12:19:53 AM
Also, maybe that weird yellow/brown line thing is actually going to push it's way in that way you would be able to see what they were putting on the screen. So you know, like there iPad screen and it's transitioning to split the screen so you can see NK and see what they are puttin! Just a thought though...
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Ruth on December 10, 2010, 02:31:49 AM
Hmm once again quoting Phil in his interview...

Quote
And there’s a few dramatic turns and twists and you’ll be doing a lot of second-guessing. You think you’ll have it all worked out and then it will turn another way. At the end of the day, the most deserving team wins and that’s the most important thing.

We seem to think that Nat and Kat have it all in the bag because of all the speculation that they're leading. But if it's gonna be leg of twists and turns, I'm thinking they lose their lead at the end. And when Phil said that "at the end of the day, the most deserving team wins and that's the most important thing", it sounds like he's preparing us for a Jill and Thomas win. Because even though we're not throughly rooting for them, they are deserving, and that's the most important in a race point of view.

And right from the first episode, it was mentioned that the Express Pass was game-changing.

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23310.0.html

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The pair to finish first on the initial leg receive a surprise award that gives them a potential game-changing advantage.

Perhaps if Jill and Thomas hadn't used their Express Pass, they wouldn't have made it this far. So the Express Pass might have been their token of victory. But maybe I'm reading too much into this.

And in another of Phil's interview... http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/the_amazing_race_17/2010_Oct_31_phil_interview

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When we talked, the Express Pass of Power was still a secret, but Phil said the new twist had “quite an impact on the teams throughout the race” and a “dramatic impact on the race.”

If it's indeed a dramatic impact, it should suggest the final outcome of the race, which is Jill and Thomas winning because of the Express Pass? Hmm.

Ugh, I can only say that I'm going crazy trying to figure this out. I'm haunted by Phil's interview. That part on the most deserving team winning which is the most important. Hmm!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: SkyWriter9 on December 10, 2010, 04:00:01 AM
Hmm once again quoting Phil in his interview...

Quote
And there’s a few dramatic turns and twists and you’ll be doing a lot of second-guessing. You think you’ll have it all worked out and then it will turn another way. At the end of the day, the most deserving team wins and that’s the most important thing.

We seem to think that Nat and Kat have it all in the bag because of all the speculation that they're leading. But if it's gonna be leg of twists and turns, I'm thinking they lose their lead at the end. And when Phil said that "at the end of the day, the most deserving team wins and that's the most important thing", it sounds like he's preparing us for a Jill and Thomas win. Because even though we're not throughly rooting for them, they are deserving, and that's the most important in a race point of view.

And right from the first episode, it was mentioned that the Express Pass was game-changing.

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23310.0.html

Quote
The pair to finish first on the initial leg receive a surprise award that gives them a potential game-changing advantage.

Perhaps if Jill and Thomas hadn't used their Express Pass, they wouldn't have made it this far. So the Express Pass might have been their token of victory. But maybe I'm reading too much into this.

And in another of Phil's interview... http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/the_amazing_race_17/2010_Oct_31_phil_interview

Quote
When we talked, the Express Pass of Power was still a secret, but Phil said the new twist had “quite an impact on the teams throughout the race” and a “dramatic impact on the race.”

If it's indeed a dramatic impact, it should suggest the final outcome of the race, which is Jill and Thomas winning because of the Express Pass? Hmm.

Ugh, I can only say that I'm going crazy trying to figure this out. I'm haunted by Phil's interview. That part on the most deserving team winning which is the most important. Hmm!

Interesting point you're making. But I actually think that the point about the express pass won't really make a difference. I think that what he's saying is that each team will be in the lead at some point but then it will all take a drastic turn at the end. Since they are making such a big deal about Brooke and Claire, I think that Nat and Kat are going to win. Seems to me like most of the logic points in their direction, but I have a gut feeling that Jill and Thomas are going to win.

Unless karma comes into play. "I could care less about any sort of history making."
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Levi Rinno on December 10, 2010, 04:14:50 AM
I think we're all psyching ourselves out way too much.  We should just try and stay as calm as possible as we wait for these last two days before the finale, or we're all going to go nuts before the finale even starts.
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Post by: mike4lyf on December 10, 2010, 04:58:05 AM
Ok just adding my two (actually three) cents :)

1. The yellow 'curtain' thing is IMO most likely artificial, because it is dead straight, the color looks almost cartoonish, and it looks out of place.

2. I happen to agree with the speculation that teams did NOT pick up the ipads. This is because when you buy iPads the first thing you have to do with them is sync your music and stuff like that. Also if they are using an application (which seems likely, because why else use an iPad over anything else) they would have do download it, requiring internet connection.

3. About the 'dramatic game changing express pass' what if Jill and Thomas missed something that will be in the final memory task, because they skipped the detour. Other than J/T ending up winning (which is unlikely) there's is not much else that the express pass could 'dramatically' change.

Reply back about my specs!! Thanks :)

Good luck B/C and N/K, although I would SLIGHTLY prefer a B/C win  :cmas9
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Post by: Cocoa on December 10, 2010, 05:09:58 AM
I think we're all psyching ourselves out way too much.  We should just try and stay as calm as possible as we wait for these last two days before the finale, or we're all going to go nuts before the finale even starts.

THIS. VERY. MUCH.  :cmas23
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: SkyWriter9 on December 10, 2010, 06:43:31 AM

3. About the 'dramatic game changing express pass' what if Jill and Thomas missed something that will be in the final memory task, because they skipped the detour. Other than J/T ending up winning (which is unlikely) there's is not much else that the express pass could 'dramatically' change.


(Excuse my not so bad language)

Oh my freaking god you are a genius! That makes complete and total sense. I, personally, think that's a great idea.  :cmas26
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: krabbe on December 10, 2010, 06:52:50 AM
I agree with Ruth. Plus, Tom/Jill had been picking up steam & been consistent the last few legs.

I hope I'm proven wrong & Nat/Kat bag this!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: milanissimo on December 10, 2010, 06:54:39 AM

3. About the 'dramatic game changing express pass' what if Jill and Thomas missed something that will be in the final memory task, because they skipped the detour. Other than J/T ending up winning (which is unlikely) there's is not much else that the express pass could 'dramatically' change.


(Excuse my not so bad language)

Oh my freaking god you are a genius! That makes complete and total sense. I, personally, think that's a great idea.  :cmas26

Yahhh....You are a genius :cmas26 :cmas26.....How can be the express pass ..dramatic ???
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: milanissimo on December 10, 2010, 07:39:06 AM
After Phil's interview I Think That Nat and Kat have good possibility to win....

Photo 1
They are very happy because they are first at  roadblock??? :cmas30:,first at bungee ,first at  Rose Bowl task  

And there’s a few dramatic turns and twists and you’ll be doing a lot of second-guessing

but they have  some problems to find the finish line...
Photo 2
They are really nervous ...They have backpacks on their knees ,so probably they get off  taxi,but the location isn't correct, ..so return on taxi and search for the real finish line .but ...they waste time
At the end of the day, the most deserving team wins and that’s the most important thing."....
So ..at the end,despite everything they win...
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Post by: Belle Book on December 10, 2010, 08:17:11 AM
After Phil's interview I Think That Nat and Kat have good possibility to win....

Photo 1
They are very happy because they are first at  roadblock??? :cmas30:,first at bungee ,first at  Rose Bowl task  

And there’s a few dramatic turns and twists and you’ll be doing a lot of second-guessing

but they have  some problems to find the finish line...
Photo 2
They are really nervous ...They have backpacks on their knees ,so probably they get off  taxi,but the location isn't correct, ..so return on taxi and search for the real finish line .but ...they waste time
At the end of the day, the most deserving team wins and that’s the most important thing."....
So ..at the end,despite everything they win...

You might have it there, Milanissimo.  They leave the final task with a huge lead and think the race is theirs.  But then, their taxi cab driver takes them to the wrong location!  They have to find the finish line, and maybe that's when Nat calls someone and says, "Hi.  I'msorry.  I'm in a Race."  And maybe that's what the confessional we saw with her & Kat was about -- their problems with the taxi driver!  However, they still beat Brook & Claire and Jill & Thomas.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Flamant on December 10, 2010, 08:44:03 AM
My 2 cents:
Almost everybody thinks that, because Brook & Claire is featured (a lot) in the second promo, this meens that they will not win.
For me, I think that the editors may have done the opposite. They featured B/C a lot so that the spoilers think that they may have not won, but they would actually win.

And I think that if they win, it would go perfectly with
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And there’s a few dramatic turns and twists and you’ll be doing a lot of second-guessing. You think you’ll have it all worked out and then it will turn another way.
because they are last at the bungy jump, then arrive second at the memory task (because J/T get lost) then (speculation) arrive first on the mat (because N/K get lost).

On the other side, if Nat/Kat arrive first on the mat, this would meen that they need to be second or third sometime in the leg.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2010, 08:51:02 AM
It looks like everybody has engaged in a lot of healthy discussion about this upcoming final! Interesting theories have been brought up, and thankfully, the discussion has been kept very civil!

:ty3: to everyone who has participated and :welcome: to all newbies who are joining in the discussion! We hope you stick around for more seasons!

I myself am very happy to have been a part of this discussion of TAR17 and look forward to continuing to go over 18.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2010, 08:52:12 AM
One thing I have learned in my time watching the Race is that one should not over-analyze data. I know that I myself tend to do so, but I know from personal experience that it can lead to disappointment!
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Post by: sofiaj.10 on December 10, 2010, 09:01:26 AM
IMO people analyze the promos depending one which team they want to see win:
-NAT AND KAT FANS: say they were first on the bungee so probably first on the memory task and since they are doctors they will finish the task fast and have a happy ride and WIN

-BROOK AND CLAIRE FANS: think that they are in the bungee first but get to the memory task, finish second, but the first place gets lost so they arrive FIRST

-JILL AND THOMAS FANS(not many but still some): think they get out of the bungee second, arrive at the memory task and leave before B/C even get there (the empty ipad station even though we no longer think they need to pick them up) ask for direction fast and WIN

PERSONALLY I WANT A F/F TEAM TO WIN  :xmas146
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2010, 09:05:07 AM
IMO people analyze the promos depending one which team they want to see win

You hit the nail right on the head!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: FLFan on December 10, 2010, 09:40:24 AM
After Phil's interview I Think That Nat and Kat have good possibility to win....

Photo 1
They are very happy because they are first at  roadblock??? :cmas30:,first at bungee ,first at  Rose Bowl task  

And there’s a few dramatic turns and twists and you’ll be doing a lot of second-guessing

but they have  some problems to find the finish line...
Photo 2
They are really nervous ...They have backpacks on their knees ,so probably they get off  taxi,but the location isn't correct, ..so return on taxi and search for the real finish line .but ...they waste time
At the end of the day, the most deserving team wins and that’s the most important thing."....
So ..at the end,despite everything they win...

You might have it there, Milanissimo.  They leave the final task with a huge lead and think the race is theirs.  But then, their taxi cab driver takes them to the wrong location!  They have to find the finish line, and maybe that's when Nat calls someone and says, "Hi.  I'msorry.  I'm in a Race."  And maybe that's what the confessional we saw with her & Kat was about -- their problems with the taxi driver!  However, they still beat Brook & Claire and Jill & Thomas.

Belle Book


That actually makes some sense and possibly(?) clears up a detail that I noticed earlier.  This references the promo shown during Survivor on Wednesday.  When they are showing N/K and J/T racing toward what appears to be the entrance area to the finish line (Greystone Mansion), they are passing a circular, covered drop-off and pickup area (similar to what you would find outside a hotel).  The shots they use for both N/K and J/T are from the same general angle.  Comparing the two views, there are differences in the # of people, # cars and positions of MOST people in that drop-off area.  HOWEVER, in both shots the same gentleman is seated reading a book.  Now, if N/K had such a commanding lead, why is the gentleman in both shots?  Yes, I understand sitting in the same area for an extended area of time just reading, I have done it on many occasions - just usually not outside during mid-summer unless in the shade in shorts.  N/K having trouble with their taxi cab driver and losing time trying to find the finish line could explain this.

The only speculation I could make between the 2 shots, is that in the N/K view (if I remember right), there are 3 cars in the drop off area.  The third car seems to possibly be a black town-car.  In the J/T shot, there is only one car, possibly the same black town-car?, with what maybe a chauffeur standing near it’s front.  This, as someone mentioned, may be colored by the fact that I favor N/K.

In the B/C shot, they don’t use exactly the same angle so the drop-off area is not shown.

Note: the racers aren't using this drop-off area, so taxi's may have their own.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2010, 10:05:40 AM
That actually makes some sense and possibly(?) clears up a detail that I noticed earlier.  This references the promo shown during Survivor on Wednesday.  When they are showing N/K and J/T racing toward what appears to be the entrance area to the finish line (Greystone Mansion), they are passing a circular, covered drop-off and pickup area (similar to what you would find outside a hotel).  The shots they use for both N/K and J/T are from the same general angle.  Comparing the two views, there are differences in the # of people, # cars and positions of MOST people in that drop-off area.  HOWEVER, in both shots the same gentleman is seated reading a book.  Now, if N/K had such a commanding lead, why is the gentleman in both shots?  Yes, I understand sitting in the same area for an extended area of time just reading, I have done it on many occasions - just usually not outside during mid-summer unless in the shade in shorts.  N/K having trouble with their taxi cab driver and losing time trying to find the finish line could explain this.

The only speculation I could make between the 2 shots, is that in the N/K view (if I remember right), there are 3 cars in the drop off area.  The third car seems to possibly be a black town-car.  In the J/T shot, there is only one car, possibly the same black town-car?, with what maybe a chauffeur standing near it’s front.  This, as someone mentioned, may be colored by the fact that I favor N/K.

In the B/C shot, they don’t use exactly the same angle so the drop-off area is not shown.

Note: the racers aren't using this drop-off area, so taxi's may have their own.

Can you share this promo with us?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: FLFan on December 10, 2010, 10:32:55 AM
That actually makes some sense and possibly(?) clears up a detail that I noticed earlier.  This references the promo shown during Survivor on Wednesday.  When they are showing N/K and J/T racing toward what appears to be the entrance area to the finish line (Greystone Mansion), they are passing a circular, covered drop-off and pickup area (similar to what you would find outside a hotel).  The shots they use for both N/K and J/T are from the same general angle.  Comparing the two views, there are differences in the # of people, # cars and positions of MOST people in that drop-off area.  HOWEVER, in both shots the same gentleman is seated reading a book.  Now, if N/K had such a commanding lead, why is the gentleman in both shots?  Yes, I understand sitting in the same area for an extended area of time just reading, I have done it on many occasions - just usually not outside during mid-summer unless in the shade in shorts.  N/K having trouble with their taxi cab driver and losing time trying to find the finish line could explain this.

The only speculation I could make between the 2 shots, is that in the N/K view (if I remember right), there are 3 cars in the drop off area.  The third car seems to possibly be a black town-car.  In the J/T shot, there is only one car, possibly the same black town-car?, with what maybe a chauffeur standing near it’s front.  This, as someone mentioned, may be colored by the fact that I favor N/K.

In the B/C shot, they don’t use exactly the same angle so the drop-off area is not shown.

Note: the racers aren't using this drop-off area, so taxi's may have their own.

Can you share this promo with us?

Sorry..  I have a nice setup HD TV & HD DVR that allows me to step through the frames.  Unfortunately, I don't have the equipment to dump it and share.  As I mentioned before, this promo is during approximately the first 15 minutes of Wednesday's Survivor.   Hopefully someone still has Survivor on their DVR that has the equipment to allow them share.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Rogue on December 10, 2010, 10:53:21 AM

3. About the 'dramatic game changing express pass' what if Jill and Thomas missed something that will be in the final memory task, because they skipped the detour. Other than J/T ending up winning (which is unlikely) there's is not much else that the express pass could 'dramatically' change.

Reply back about my specs!! Thanks :)

Good luck B/C and N/K, although I would SLIGHTLY prefer a B/C win  :cmas9

If that's the case, Nat and Kat missed something, a whole leg, using that Fast Forward. Any questions there might be about that leg, except which team was eliminated, could be lost on them.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: chill_sd on December 10, 2010, 10:59:02 AM
I think FLFan is referring to this scene (Photo 11 from Post #322).

This was determined to be in Hong Kong, though, wasn't it? (Turns out it is Seoul.)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/Promo%202/PROMO2caps0843.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: dpe on December 10, 2010, 11:07:35 AM
That actually makes some sense and possibly(?) clears up a detail that I noticed earlier.  This references the promo shown during Survivor on Wednesday.  When they are showing N/K and J/T racing toward what appears to be the entrance area to the finish line (Greystone Mansion), they are passing a circular, covered drop-off and pickup area (similar to what you would find outside a hotel).  The shots they use for both N/K and J/T are from the same general angle.  Comparing the two views, there are differences in the # of people, # cars and positions of MOST people in that drop-off area.  HOWEVER, in both shots the same gentleman is seated reading a book.  Now, if N/K had such a commanding lead, why is the gentleman in both shots?  Yes, I understand sitting in the same area for an extended area of time just reading, I have done it on many occasions - just usually not outside during mid-summer unless in the shade in shorts.  N/K having trouble with their taxi cab driver and losing time trying to find the finish line could explain this.

The only speculation I could make between the 2 shots, is that in the N/K view (if I remember right), there are 3 cars in the drop off area.  The third car seems to possibly be a black town-car.  In the J/T shot, there is only one car, possibly the same black town-car?, with what maybe a chauffeur standing near it’s front.  This, as someone mentioned, may be colored by the fact that I favor N/K.

In the B/C shot, they don’t use exactly the same angle so the drop-off area is not shown.

Note: the racers aren't using this drop-off area, so taxi's may have their own.

Can you share this promo with us?



Fixed.  :cmas16 Welcome to RFF dpe!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: chill_sd on December 10, 2010, 11:13:14 AM
Here it is:

I think the scene in question is the one I copied above.  It's not from LA.

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: FLFan on December 10, 2010, 11:24:03 AM
I think FLFan is referring to this scene (Photo 11 from Post #322).

This was determined to be in Hong Kong, though, wasn't it?

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/Promo%202/PROMO2caps0843.jpg)

Yes, that is one of the scenes.  If it was determined to be in Hong Kong, I must have missed the discussion.  However, you are right, Nat's top is the wrong color.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2010, 11:24:59 AM
Thanks for clearing that up, chill sd! I agree that the placement in the video makes it seem like that could be the finish line. However I also agree that it is not. The clothes are different and I think GP already said that she had matched that scene to Hong Kong sorry I meant Seoul.
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Post by: woden on December 10, 2010, 11:43:50 AM
Thanks for clearing that up, chill sd! I agree that the placement in the video makes it seem like that could be the finish line. However I also agree that it is not. The clothes are different and I think GP already said that she had matched that scene to Hong Kong.

To Seoul, actually. But either way, it is NOT LA.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Ruth on December 10, 2010, 12:25:49 PM
I can only say that I'd be extremely pissed if Nat and Kat lose because of their cab-driver getting lost. Because I've wished for that to happen many times (so that my favourite second-place teams could catch up) but it's never happened. So if it happens this season on the team that I WANT to see win... I'm gonna throw something at my TV!

And I've never been this excited for a finale before. I can't wait!!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: apskip on December 10, 2010, 12:28:11 PM
I think we're all psyching ourselves out way too much.  We should just try and stay as calm as possible as we wait for these last two days before the finale, or we're all going to go nuts before the finale even starts.

THIS. VERY. MUCH.  :cmas23

I am in total agreement with these thoughts. I have been out of the loop for most of the last 3 weeks, but all the speculation on minor points to determine who the winner is strikes me as trying to determine how many angels there are on the head of a pin. Remember this: World Race Productions edits the promos and all information available to the public very carefully and frequently their intent is to misdirect.

I would like to see more solid analysis of some other known factors. One others may have discussed already is how the ROADBLOCK BALANCE RULE affects the last episode of the race. For those not knowledgeable about this, after I think AR5 when Colin, Chip and Brandon did all the ROADBLOCKS except one World Race Productions instituted this rule, which may or may not be in effect for any given season but usually is.  There has been a lot of debate over whether this rule is for equality (except when a Fast Forward is involved) or for a ROADBLOCK outcome where the larger ROADBLOCK doer has no more than 2 versus the lesser ROADBLOCK doer. Here are the current standings after leg 12:

Nat 5, Kat 5
Jill 5, Thomas 6
Claire 5, Brook 6

What that means is that if a 0 or 1 differential rule is in effect then Jill and Claire will have to do the ROADBLOCK in the AR17 finale. That task is typically the one which has been the deciding factor in about half of recent Amazing Races (examples are AR12 - Rachel, AR13 - Starr, AR14 - Victor). I think the edge goes to Nat and Kat because they will for sure have the opportunity to choose the better person on their team for a ROADBLOCK while Jill and Claire may be forced to do it.


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Post by: Jobby on December 10, 2010, 01:16:53 PM
apskip, i'm agreeing with you on that. I think the only edge Nat and Kat have that we do know right now is that they will get to decide the better candidate to do the RB should there still be a 6-roadblock rule.

Other than that, any other speculations voice down to how we want to see/worry whether our favourites win/lose.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: jayhawk on December 10, 2010, 01:30:30 PM
Hello -- Joining in to say that I personally do not trust anything Phil says in his interviews about the finale.  Last season he specifically said that the lead would change a few times.  I was somewhat comforted by this and stopped worrying about the sepeculation (which turned out as expected) that the brothers got out of the airport first.  I allowed myself to believe that the cowboys must have overtook them at some point, even if the winner was still in doubt.  So I watched the entire show waiting for a lead change that NEVER CAME.  The brothers got out of the airport first and stayed in front the whole damn time.  Now he's again saying the lead changes.  He may very well be telling the truth but he lost me last season.  I love Phil but I don't pay any attention to what he says.
 :cmas12
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: SillyCat on December 10, 2010, 01:31:04 PM
Newbie here...long time reader, just never had anything to say before....

My question is something that has been bugging me since the bridge assender task, when Brook just about pushed Claire over the edge of the bridge and told her in no uncertain term that she would be doing it.
Is Brook also afraid of heights?
 Claire did the rappelling task too, though that time she volunteered.
Then you have Phil article quote:
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"You can be guaranteed that there’s one thing that comes into play in Los Angeles, right?" host and producer Phil Keoghan said in an interview. "Traffic. I’ll just say that. There’s a challenge that tweaks a few phobias for some of the teams. And there’s a few dramatic turns and twists and you’ll be doing a lot of second-guessing. You think you’ll have it all worked out and then it will turn another way. At the end of the day, the most deserving team wins and that’s the most important thing."

If one challenge tweaks a few phobias, its going to be the bungee jump one, no doubt. But its like just because Nat was crying on the gondola & expressed her fear of heights (which, btw, I took as she was more fearful of what height type stunt was awaiting them when they reached the top, not the gondola ride itself) all the focus has been on her phobia of heights, but I think Brook might be just as a scared.

Plus look at the caps Peach used in the 1st post, how Brook still has her feet crossed, almost like she is still in a fetal o-poo-is-it-over-yet position and it looks like Claire is holding her hand in support (or to pull her off the bridge with her ;))
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FinaleCBSpress.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2010, 01:34:17 PM
Welcome to RFF, Sillycat! Glad you've joined in the discussion! Hope you stick around!
I don't know if Brooke is afraid of heights or not. If you watch the most recent promo, you can hear her saying "That's when I just about lost my bananas", referring to the bungee jumping task. However, if she is afraid, I'm sure she'll get over it quickly if she really want to win. The same goes for Nat.
Good observation, BTW!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2010, 01:39:37 PM
Hello -- Joining in to say that I personally do not trust anything Phil says in his interviews about the finale.  Last season he specifically said that the lead would change a few times.  I was somewhat comforted by this and stopped worrying about the sepeculation (which turned out as expected) that the brothers got out of the airport first.  I allowed myself to believe that the cowboys must have overtook them at some point, even if the winner was still in doubt.  So I watched the entire show waiting for a lead change that NEVER CAME.  The brothers got out of the airport first and stayed in front the whole damn time.  Now he's again saying the lead changes.  He may very well be telling the truth but he lost me last season.  I love Phil but I don't pay any attention to what he says.
 :cmas12

Welcome to RFF, jayhawk!
I don't remember Phil every saying that last year, just that some people would be disappointed by the outcome. He is just trying to market the show though so those interviews are almost the same as the promos we see.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Rogue on December 10, 2010, 02:06:00 PM
I doubt Phil would have said that. Plus I'm sure at that time, he had no clue how many people would think Dan and Jordan winning would be a major fail.

In this instance I don't know. I'll say that there may be some lead/position changes, possibly coming out of the airport. I don't know if this theory has been shut down but do we know for 100% all teams are on the same flight? Maybe Thomas, Jill, Brook, and Claire get on a flight that is supposed to come in first and Nat and Kat's plane lands first. One of the speculations now is that Thomas and Jill, a team that has never really been lost, except that time they ran in the wrong direction, may get lost along the way. We also have Nat having to go up high and bungee jump and she said she is really afraid of heights. I know he addressed it but still, how long does it take for her to get up there? Will we see Kat dragging her? This can possibly cause teams to catch up to them. Will we see them get ahead and lose it only to gain it back? Why would Brook and Claire assume they're team one or three? They don't even speculate about being second. They may get to a task first and take an awfully long time to finish it leaving them to think either everyone else took a long time and are behind us. Or we just bled time and are trying to play catch up. It's possible Nat and Kat's cab take them to the wrong spot. It's possible for a lot of things. Phil could be telling us anything. lol
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2010, 02:16:25 PM
I doubt Phil would have said that. Plus I'm sure at that time, he had no clue how many people would think Dan and Jordan winning would be a major fail.

In this instance I don't know. I'll say that there may be some lead/position changes, possibly coming out of the airport. I don't know if this theory has been shut down but do we know for 100% all teams are on the same flight? Maybe Thomas, Jill, Brook, and Claire get on a flight that is supposed to come in first and Nat and Kat's plane lands first. One of the speculations now is that Thomas and Jill, a team that has never really been lost, except that time they ran in the wrong direction, may get lost along the way. We also have Nat having to go up high and bungee jump and she said she is really afraid of heights. I know he addressed it but still, how long does it take for her to get up there? Will we see Kat dragging her? This can possibly cause teams to catch up to them. Will we see them get ahead and lose it only to gain it back? Why would Brook and Claire assume they're team one or three? They don't even speculate about being second. They may get to a task first and take an awfully long time to finish it leaving them to think either everyone else took a long time and are behind us. Or we just bled time and are trying to play catch up. It's possible Nat and Kat's cab take them to the wrong spot. It's possible for a lot of things. Phil could be telling us anything. lol

Phil did say that in an interview with The Early Show. Otherwise, your analysis is spot-on.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Rogue on December 10, 2010, 02:30:55 PM

Phil did say that in an interview with The Early Show. Otherwise, your analysis is spot-on.

I'm sorry I read that wrong. I missed a word or two and thought you were saying Phil never said some people would be disappointed by the outcome. My bad. :cmas22
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: BK_amazing_race on December 10, 2010, 02:42:29 PM
I would like to touch on a point that has been talked about a few times in this thread.  People have been mentioning the roadblock limit that may be in effect.  A lot of people ( mostly bias N/K fans) think that Nat and Kat have an advantage due to the fact they both only did 5 roadblocks.  While this may be an advantage that either of them can do the final roadblock (assuming the other teams don't have a choice of who does it) I don't believe it is that big of an advantage.

The rules for a roadblock is that the teams must read the title of the roadblock.  Then, BEFORE reading the description, the team must decide who will do the challenge.  The title of the roadblock doesn't necessarily give away all too much information about the challenge.  Just as Claire alluded to in a previous episode, she always chooses the hardest roadblocks accidentally.  So overall, I do not think the roadblock limit will be that much of an advantage to Nat and Kat.

  I think its anyones race right now and I think many of us are over speculating this finale based off the editing and promos.  However, I love the conversation regardless of how much we may be overthinking it! :xmas146
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 10, 2010, 03:44:48 PM
I would like to touch on a point that has been talked about a few times in this thread.  People have been mentioning the roadblock limit that may be in effect.  A lot of people ( mostly bias N/K fans) think that Nat and Kat have an advantage due to the fact they both only did 5 roadblocks.  While this may be an advantage that either of them can do the final roadblock (assuming the other teams don't have a choice of who does it) I don't believe it is that big of an advantage.

The rules for a roadblock is that the teams must read the title of the roadblock.  Then, BEFORE reading the description, the team must decide who will do the challenge.  The title of the roadblock doesn't necessarily give away all too much information about the challenge.  Just as Claire alluded to in a previous episode, she always chooses the hardest roadblocks accidentally.  So overall, I do not think the roadblock limit will be that much of an advantage to Nat and Kat.

  I think its anyones race right now and I think many of us are over speculating this finale based off the editing and promos.  However, I love the conversation regardless of how much we may be overthinking it! :xmas146

I know...I think the RB limit topic has been thoroughly worn out!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Rogue on December 10, 2010, 04:37:30 PM
I would like to touch on a point that has been talked about a few times in this thread.  People have been mentioning the roadblock limit that may be in effect.  A lot of people ( mostly bias N/K fans) think that Nat and Kat have an advantage due to the fact they both only did 5 roadblocks.  While this may be an advantage that either of them can do the final roadblock (assuming the other teams don't have a choice of who does it) I don't believe it is that big of an advantage.

The rules for a roadblock is that the teams must read the title of the roadblock.  Then, BEFORE reading the description, the team must decide who will do the challenge.  The title of the roadblock doesn't necessarily give away all too much information about the challenge.  Just as Claire alluded to in a previous episode, she always chooses the hardest roadblocks accidentally.  So overall, I do not think the roadblock limit will be that much of an advantage to Nat and Kat.

I think its anyones race right now and I think many of us are over speculating this finale based off the editing and promos.  However, I love the conversation regardless of how much we may be overthinking it! :xmas146

I am a Nat and Kat fan but I am also a Brook and Claire fan, a little less than Nat and Kat though. You do make a good point but at the same time there is the issue of who has to do what when we look at who has done what in terms of Roadblocks.

In the case of Jill and Thomas, out of the 11 Roadblocks thus far, selling the sunglasses and mushing the dogs have been the least physical and mental tasks, both which were done by Jill. Jill is at five and I think the most she's been challenged thus far is putting together the rickshaw. So is she bad at puzzles and figuring stuff out? With Claire and her five, the only two where there was no malfunction or problem with her was the rappel/find a ring and the dog sled Roadblocks. Speaking of the rappel Roadblock, which was also done by Jill, the only part that was remotely difficult was the finding the ring if you're not afraid of heights. However with Nat and Kat, while they have done the one you one me thing, Kat can sometimes move very slowly like when she had to sell sunglasses (though everyone but Brook and Michael struggled with this one), find the ring, and match the headband. But even though they have to pick before doing the task, they at least have an option. The energy and physical fitness we see in Brook is not there in Claire. The strength and possibly the mental focus we see in Thomas, we don't really get that in Jill. Nat and Kat are almost equally matched and you can almost expect the same results from one that you get from the other. You're right that anything could happen and this could definitely be anyone's race but this is just based off my own thoughts and what I've seen on the show. I tend to overthink things as well.  :cmas22

Also in terms of Claire and her getting bad roadblocks, as far as that last one is concerned, she must have not heard the term peckish before. I'll give her the other ones.



Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: tarobbsessed24 on December 10, 2010, 05:20:32 PM
Here it is:

I think the scene in question is the one I copied above.  It's not from LA.


when thomas says "this is gorgeuos i see someone wearing pink, with a similar hair style as brooke   :cmastree :D
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: SkyWriter9 on December 10, 2010, 06:09:38 PM
I would like to touch on a point that has been talked about a few times in this thread.  People have been mentioning the roadblock limit that may be in effect.  A lot of people ( mostly bias N/K fans) think that Nat and Kat have an advantage due to the fact they both only did 5 roadblocks.  While this may be an advantage that either of them can do the final roadblock (assuming the other teams don't have a choice of who does it) I don't believe it is that big of an advantage.

The rules for a roadblock is that the teams must read the title of the roadblock.  Then, BEFORE reading the description, the team must decide who will do the challenge.  The title of the roadblock doesn't necessarily give away all too much information about the challenge.  Just as Claire alluded to in a previous episode, she always chooses the hardest roadblocks accidentally.  So overall, I do not think the roadblock limit will be that much of an advantage to Nat and Kat.

  I think its anyones race right now and I think many of us are over speculating this finale based off the editing and promos.  However, I love the conversation regardless of how much we may be overthinking it! :xmas146

This is true, but teams can sometimes figure out some other way what the roadblock is (for example, by seeing their surroundings/what other teams are doing.) So I think it could be an advantage, but that's a good point you're making.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: red_sox on December 10, 2010, 06:11:44 PM

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FinaleCBSpress.jpg)

This is probably just me being silly... but did anyone else notice the varying shades to the air & ocean in these photos? It seems unlikely, but the air is most definitely clearer in B/C's photo than in N/K. Makes me think that it may have been a somewhat foggy morning but cleared quickly...

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Dånooky on December 10, 2010, 06:21:33 PM

This is probably just me being silly... but did anyone else notice the varying shades to the air & ocean in these photos? It seems unlikely, but the air is most definitely clearer in B/C's photo than in N/K. Makes me think that it may have been a somewhat foggy morning but cleared quickly...

I'm blaming the discrepancy on the photographer
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: furybaby on December 10, 2010, 06:38:45 PM
Hmmm... all suggestions about who will win is great and fantastic
some involves reverse-physcology, saying that B/C won BECAUSE they were featured
and people would THINK they are last.
However, I think the situation is very hyped right now, you can feel it in the flow~!
I'm going o sit back (bounce around maybe...) and wait for the finale~!

BROOKE AND CLAIRE FOR TAR 17~!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: SkyWriter9 on December 10, 2010, 07:26:43 PM

This is probably just me being silly... but did anyone else notice the varying shades to the air & ocean in these photos? It seems unlikely, but the air is most definitely clearer in B/C's photo than in N/K. Makes me think that it may have been a somewhat foggy morning but cleared quickly...

I'm blaming the discrepancy on the photographer

I know people who grew up by the ocean, and they said the ocean gets darker when there is an approaching storm. Any chance we'd be able to get the weather for that day?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: connayyy on December 10, 2010, 07:34:04 PM

This is probably just me being silly... but did anyone else notice the varying shades to the air & ocean in these photos? It seems unlikely, but the air is most definitely clearer in B/C's photo than in N/K. Makes me think that it may have been a somewhat foggy morning but cleared quickly...

I'm blaming the discrepancy on the photographer

I actually mentioned this a few pages ago. It turns out that in June (which is when TAR 17 was filmed), L.A. has "June Gloom" where the mornings are darker, as the picture indicates. That's probably what it is, so it just backs up what we know about N/K being the first to do the bungee task.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Belle Book on December 10, 2010, 07:36:14 PM
One thing I have learned in my time watching the Race is that one should not over-analyze data. I know that I myself tend to do so, but I know from personal experience that it can lead to disappointment!

You have a point there.  We shouldn't really over-analyze things.  Although I'm still so excited at the prospect of an all-female team winning!  I sure hope it's Nat & Kat!

GO NAT & KAT!

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 10, 2010, 07:58:56 PM

This is probably just me being silly... but did anyone else notice the varying shades to the air & ocean in these photos? It seems unlikely, but the air is most definitely clearer in B/C's photo than in N/K. Makes me think that it may have been a somewhat foggy morning but cleared quickly...

I'm blaming the discrepancy on the photographer

I know people who grew up by the ocean, and they said the ocean gets darker when there is an approaching storm. Any chance we'd be able to get the weather for that day?

From the National Weather Service for Los Angeles Airport for June 2010 ( A few days before and after too):

000
CXUS55 KLOX 011655
CF6LAX
PRELIMINARY LOCAL CLIMATOLOGICAL DATA (WS FORM: F-6)

                                          STATION:   LOS ANGELES INTL AIRPORT CA
                                          MONTH:     JUNE
                                          YEAR:      2010
                                          LATITUDE:   33 55 N
                                          LONGITUDE: 118 24 W

  TEMPERATURE IN F:       :PCPN:    SNOW:  WIND      :SUNSHINE: SKY     :PK WND
================================================================================
1   2   3   4   5  6A  6B    7    8   9   10  11  12  13   14  15   16   17  18
                                     12Z  AVG MX 2MIN
DY MAX MIN AVG DEP HDD CDD  WTR  SNW DPTH SPD SPD DIR MIN PSBL S-S WX    SPD DR
================================================================================

12  70  60  65  -1   0   0 0.00  0.0    0  5.9 16 250   M    M   6        23 250
13  68  60  64  -2   1   0 0.00  0.0    0  7.2 18 270   M    M   9 8      21 270
14  69  59  64  -2   1   0 0.00  0.0    0  7.6 17 260   M    M   7 18     23 270
15  72  61  67   1   0   2 0.00  0.0    0  6.5 15 250   M    M   4 18     20 260
16  70  61  66   0   0   1 0.00  0.0    0  8.4 17 280   M    M   5        23 240
17  70  60  65  -2   0   0 0.00  0.0    0  6.4 17 260   M    M   5 8      21 270

================================================================================
SM 2001 1742        15   8    T      0.0 209.9          M      199
================================================================================
AV 69.0 60.1                               7.0 FASTST   M    M   7    MAX(MPH)
                                 MISC ---->  # 21 270               # 26  260

It's kind of hard to read because the columns don't line up, but the bottom line is that June 15th was a fairly typical day. High 72 (22C) Low 61 (16C), winds not especially fast - unless you're bungy jumping! No rain and the 18 in the weather column means there was some fog and haze at some point during the day. That goes along with the June Gloom analysis.

Storms are pretty unusual in Los Angeles in June. They have a dry season from late May to early September when they get little if any rain. The month of June 2010 had a trace of rain on the 8th and that's it.

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: TAR new fan on December 10, 2010, 08:13:57 PM
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17ep12title.jpg) Thanks to jayruh 1021 for finding the title!!


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/TAR17FinaleCBSpress.jpg)




ROUTE SUMMARY: Upcoming Episodes
 
EP12: Seoul, South Korea to Los Angeles, CA (USA)

Film Date: JUNE 15
Air Date: DEC 12

Leg Route/Tasks:

ROUTE INFO: Fly to Los Angeles, CA (USA); travel by taxi to Vincent Thomas Bridge (east of LAX)
EVIDENCE: Two teams (?) spotted on flight from Seoul to Los Angeles 6/15; production seen exiting LAX around 8:00am (Source 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21997.msg527953.html#msg527953)), (Source 2 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21997.msg527957.html#msg527957)), (Source 3 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21997.msg569919.html#msg569919)); team in taxi traveling on eastbound 105 (just east of Sepulveda) on promo after EP11 (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg579839.html#msg579839))
TIMING: Taxi on highway between 10:21 and 10:44am (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg579858.html#msg579858))

ROUTE INFO: Board helicopter at Vincent Thomas Bridge; travel to bungee crane task here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg579845.html#msg579845)
EVIDENCE: Overheard phone call (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21980.msg569820.html#msg569820)); promo after EP11 (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg569122.html#msg569122)); photo ID (Source 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580092.html#msg580092)), (Source 2 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580166.html#msg580166))
TIMING: Brook/Claire arrive at helipad between 12:25 and 12:49pm (Source 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580191.html#msg580191)), (Source 2 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580310.html#msg580310))

ROUTE INFO: Bungee crane task here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg579845.html#msg579845)
EVIDENCE: Promo after EP11 (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg569122.html#msg569122))
TIMING: Nat/Kat bungee first; Brook/Claire and Jill/Thomas at task simultaneously, but Jill/Thomas jump first; all teams possibly 5-10 minutes apart (Source 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580291.html#msg580291)), (Source 2 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580310.html#msg580310)), (Source 3 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580312.html#msg580312))

ROUTE INFO: Travel by helicopter to Rose Bowl in Pasadena
EVIDENCE: Promo, photo ID(Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580118.html#msg580118))
TIMING: Nat/Kat arrive at Rose Bowl between 12:56 and 12:59pm (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580158.html#msg580158))

ROUTE INFO: Indoor iPad memory task en route from Pasadena to Beverly Hills?
EVIDENCE: Promo after EP11 (Source 1 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg569122.html#msg569122)), (Source 2 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580395.html#msg580395)); Brook/Claire in taxi between Pasadena area and Beverly Hills area (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580328.html#msg580328))

FINISH LINE: Travel by taxi to Greystone Mansion in Beverly Hills
EVIDENCE: Promo after EP11 (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg569122.html#msg569122)), Photo ID (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg579859.html#msg579859))

Winners: UNKNOWN

TIMING: Brook/Claire 5 minutes away from Greystone Mansion sometime after 2:18pm (Source (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg580383.html#msg580383))





Question about leg 2 - quoted here - taking helicopter from Vincent Thomas bridge to the bungee jumping location.
I thought they take the taxi straight from LAX past Vincent Thomas bridge to the bungee jumping location and only take the helicopter AFTER they do the bungee jumping?

It is only an 11 minute car ride from VT bridge to Port of Long Beach, where the bungee jumping is. So wouldn't it make sense to just continue on with the cab? Why include the helicopter at that point? Or is this where they switched to a smaller airport (I know there was some discussion about Torrance or Hawthorne?) grabbed the helicopter, and then went to VT Bridge? Confused why JT would be at the ports in a taxi then..

Also, I am a non-LA'er so please forgive me, but I was checking on googlemaps to try to figure out the route, and am confused.
105 east of Sepulveda - as in the Sepulveda near Burbank? If so, seems weird that in the 1st leg they would be going from LAX to 105 east by Sepulveda then down to VT BRidge. They are all different directions. Do we mean that they went East after getting out at LAX on 105, then hung South on 110 to get to the VT Bridge?  I think this is what another poster said, right?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: TAR new fan on December 10, 2010, 08:28:59 PM
Then they do the swing for 20 minutes.

And then a 30 mile flight to the Rose Bowl.  If the helicopter goes 100 mph it will get there in 18 min.

So if they move without wasting time we could expect them to land in Pasadena at:

                          low est  hi est
LAX                    10:21    10:45
arrive at helios  10:40     11:10
TO                     10:50     11:30
arrive at crane  10:54     11:36
finis bungee      11:14     12:06
TO                     11:19     12:16
ar Pasadena     11:37     12:46

Sorry to be slow, but why are we assuming they took the helicopter to arrive at bungee jump and just not taken it after? i missed that part. thanks!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: red_sox on December 10, 2010, 08:34:41 PM
This might be nothing... but...

In the preview I'm pretty sure we see both B/C and N/K in the final car drive to the finish line. However we only see J/T in the car near the airport.

In previous seasons we haven't always seen third place on their way to the finish matt, often seeing them simply jog to the line after the runner up speeches. I think maybe we're going to have an implied car race between B/C and N/K to the finish line... with J/T falling behind and running to the finish line after the runner-up speeches.

Gut tells me it's N/K in first. But I think I'm onto something with the car thing...
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 10, 2010, 08:48:56 PM
I wont presume to answer for Chateau on his thinking on the helicopters around Long Beach........he can do it quite well by himself......

But I will say that Sepulveda is all over LA, and no rhyme or reason to why a street is called it.....seems like every town down there has their own Sepulveda
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: TAR new fan on December 10, 2010, 08:49:57 PM
have we ever determined the background red and black sign  in this shot? It is bugging me. It looks like a movie theater or theater marquis of some sort.
 Must.piece.together.before.finale. (obsessed? me?)   :cmas51  :cmas51  :cmas51   :cmas50  :cmas50  :cmas50
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: CrazyMonkey on December 10, 2010, 08:54:21 PM
I have looked at this in many different ways. People are not sure about what positions people will be in come the finish line. I think the order will be:

1. Brook/Claire
2. Jill/Thomas
3. Nat/Kat

Jill and Thomas come from California so they probably have a knowledge of the area. Brook and Claire look unsure about where they are but I think they may be ahead. I think the reason why Nat and Kat are happy in the cab is because it is after the bungee jumping challenge and Nat was able to do it pretty quickly despite being scared.

Who knows about the result though, anyone could win!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: TAR new fan on December 10, 2010, 08:56:10 PM
I wont presume to answer for Chateau on his thinking on the helicopters around Long Beach........he can do it quite well by himself......

But I will say that Sepulveda is all over LA, and no rhyme or reason to why a street is called it.....seems like every town down there has their own Sepulveda

ahh.. that might explain it. Otherwise, I was thinking this might just be a shot of them on the way back from Rosebowl to the memory task (somewhere near this "Sepulveda" on 105), then memory task to Greystone via Cherokee Lane as previously discussed.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: TAR new fan on December 10, 2010, 08:59:11 PM
I have looked at this in many different ways. People are not sure about what positions people will be in come the finish line. I think the order will be:

1. Brook/Claire
2. Jill/Thomas
3. Nat/Kat

Jill and Thomas come from California so they probably have a knowledge of the area. Brook and Claire look unsure about where they are but I think they may be ahead. I think the reason why Nat and Kat are happy in the cab is because it is after the bungee jumping challenge and Nat was able to do it pretty quickly despite being scared.

Who knows about the result though, anyone could win!

ah, J/T may be from Marina del Ray, but they are transplants! They only moved there a year or so ago from Chicago, it says in their bio, so they probably aren't as familiar w/ it as.... N/K! N/K went to UCLA Med school there, Kat is originally from Santa Monica, and it is possible that both N and K did their residencies in LA too!  :xmas146  :xmas146

gosh this is so confusing. Maybe I should just sit back and enjoy the finale and stop with the speculation. :)  :cmas22
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: furybaby on December 10, 2010, 09:12:32 PM
Must.piece.together.before.finale. (obsessed? me?)

Pffft. OF COURSE NOT :)
Prefer to call it DEDICATED <33   :cmas9
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 10, 2010, 09:25:27 PM

ahh.. that might explain it. Otherwise, I was thinking this might just be a shot of them on the way back from Rosebowl to the memory task (somewhere near this "Sepulveda" on 105), then memory task to Greystone via Cherokee Lane as previously discussed.

Sepulveda is family name of some early settlers of the LA basin.......seems they were movers and shakers, so a lot of things got named after them....

"Sepulveda Boulevard, a street in Los Angeles listed in the Guinness Book of Records as the longest municipal street in the world, stretching from the north end of the San Fernando Valley to the south end of San Pedro, California, a distance of about 43 miles."  from Wikipedia.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Minnesota_Friend on December 11, 2010, 12:50:52 AM
 :xmas49 Hello again. This is your long-time Admiring Lurker. You guys are amazing. But I still wonder about a show clip that you haven't discussed yet: Nat & Kat's final words on Episode 11 Korea. I know TPTB like teams to forecast victory, but Nat's final words & demeanor don't seem to fit the usual pattern. To whit:

"It's an honor to be the first all-female team to win The Amazing Race." Present tense verb.

I know you've analyzed the still shots from this frame, but the word choice and Nat's tone of voice are what caught my attention. Very un-TAR-like. I'm curious about whether she's congratulating Brook & Claire, or stating the obvious (with JT winning), or spoiling their own finish. Thoughts, anyone? (I need to rewatch this episode...CBS, YouTube, Hulu, whatever....)

- Minnesota_Friend, aka Admiring Lurker  :xmas49 :xmas49 :cmas17
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Post by: eddiethejet on December 11, 2010, 01:14:15 AM
ok this is kinda late for this, but we were mentioning katie and rachel's facial expressions as to predicting who would win.  anyways, what you need to do is download the torrent for episode 11 or simply watch it online.  when they preview the finale, they "run down" the final mat of everyone clapping...if you continuously press pause and play, you will see that to the right of phil, ron and tony are the farthest and next to them are katie and rachel...katie and rachel both have a smile on their face.
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Post by: Levi Rinno on December 11, 2010, 01:16:39 AM
That's because that was pretaped ahead of time, before anyone arrived.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Caelestor on December 11, 2010, 01:22:13 AM
:xmas49 Hello again. This is your long-time Admiring Lurker. You guys are amazing. But I still wonder about a show clip that you haven't discussed yet: Nat & Kat's final words on Episode 11 Korea. I know TPTB like teams to forecast victory, but Nat's final words & demeanor don't seem to fit the usual pattern. To whit:

"It's an honor to be the first all-female team to win The Amazing Race." Present tense verb.

I know you've analyzed the still shots from this frame, but the word choice and Nat's tone of voice are what caught my attention. Very un-TAR-like. I'm curious about whether she's congratulating Brook & Claire, or stating the obvious (with JT winning), or spoiling their own finish. Thoughts, anyone? (I need to rewatch this episode...CBS, YouTube, Hulu, whatever....)

- Minnesota_Friend, aka Admiring Lurker  :xmas49 :xmas49 :cmas17


Sorry, but I think she says it WOULD be an honor...so no lead there.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 11, 2010, 01:57:27 AM
I have to admit that the order of events I proposed could be switched up a bit and still fit our known evidence.

Here is another route that  teams could take: 

1)   Take a taxi from LAX to the *** landmark in Long Beach.
2)   Taxi from *** landmark to the BFB container shipyard (made up name).  Complete Bungee Swing challenge.
3)   Taxi from BFB to tiny helipad next to the Catalina ferry terminal (insert name of helipad if you know it).
4)   Ride helicopter to the Rose Bowl.  Decorate float.
5)  Take a taxi from the Rose Bowl to xyz Studio in Studio City.  Solve mental puzzle.
6)  Take a taxi from xyz Studio to Greystone Mansion.  Finish Mat.

Which means they had to find three things in Long Beach/San Pedro:  Three chances to get seriously lost, I know from personal experience .

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: maf on December 11, 2010, 02:07:49 AM
3)   Taxi from BFB to tiny helipad next to the Catalina ferry terminal (insert name of helipad if you know it).

It is Catalina Air-Sea Terminal Heliport (http://www.airnav.com/airport/6CA3 (http://www.airnav.com/airport/6CA3))

I have looked for historical flight information for it and for the helicopter we identified. But no luck:-(
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: RealityFreakWill on December 11, 2010, 02:25:28 AM
I'm gonna call it now. Laugh at me all you want if I'm wrong on Sunday night! (Not playing favorites here)

THE AMAZING RACE 17 CHAMPIONS:

JILL HANEY AND THOMAS WOLFORD

SECOND PLACE:

NAT STRAND AND KAT CHANG

THIRD PLACE:

BROOK ROBERTS AND CLAIRE CHAMPLIN
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: krabbe on December 11, 2010, 02:43:43 AM
Yeah, I have a feeling it's that order, too. Seems like Nat/Kat were first to the bungee & then Phil said there's a shuffle in the final placement :cmas4
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 11, 2010, 03:17:03 AM
I hope it is not a repeat of All-Stars.  :cmas13 (Even though Jill & Thomas deserves to win as well.)

Brook says that they can either be in first or last, it can go either way. Hopefully it goes the 1st way!  :reindeer

Just hope that BC can win it, or even Nat & Kat.  :cmas24
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: TAR new fan on December 11, 2010, 03:21:27 AM
 :cmas9  :cmas9

Here's a new interview w/ Phil out by TVGuide. Lots of interesting tidbits for the finale, including that there is a SURPRISE APPEARANCE by a "popular game show host", lots of tension with traffic, and definitely a memory challenge about the entire season! check it out below! **Note - I will stop reading into what he says regarding the teams, but the added tidbits about the actual challenges and the finale are interesting..!  :cmas23  :cmas23  :cmas23

And what could this mean? The memory task has long been considered a "make it or break it" task for teams, but there may be a more difficult — and literal — roadblock to overcome this time around.

**ALSO - with the game show host thing -- I am wondering if they have to play a JEOPARDY style trivia game with their iPads? Just a thought! Other game show hosts... Pat Sajak? Regis? Price is Right guy?

START OF ARTICLE AND END OF MY SPECULATION BELOW***** :)

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Amazing-Race-Finale-Keoghan-1026637.aspx

Girls, girls, girls — can they finally win The Amazing Race?

In the past 16 seasons, no all-female team has crossed the finish line first, but it seems a likely possibility this time around. Or at least that's what the promos would have you believe.

"Sure, I think there will be some disappointment [if it doesn't happen]," host Phil Keoghan tells TVGuide.com. "But at the end of the day what makes The Amazing Race work is good fair competition and it will happen when it's meant to.

"There are so many variables that come into play at this stage of the game — a bad taxi driver or a subpar performance at a Roadblock can easily cost you the $1 million," he continues. "And to be honest, another reason you haven't seen it yet is simply that sometimes it has a whole lot to do with luck."

On Sunday's finale, doctors Kat Chang and Nat Strand will face off against home-shopping hosts Brook Roberts and Claire Champlin, and dating couple Jill Haney and Thomas Wolfard. All have won at least one leg this season, with Nat and Kat, and Jill and Thomas each winning four.

"[They've] all run a tremendous race. ... Nat and Kat are always calm, cool and collected. Jill and Thomas [are] a highly competitive team who has started clicking down the stretch," Keoghan says. "Brook and Claire — they can obviously withstand a cringe-inducing watermelon smash to the face and they successfully kissed their way around the globe."

But all of their strengths could work against them when it comes down to the wire. The low-key and seemingly unflappable Nat and Kat may need to kick up their competitive drive a notch for that final push — or maybe just borrow some from Jill and Thomas. "Their competitive nature can lead to bickering and sometimes they have that whole 'men are from Mars, women are from Venus' thing going on," Keoghan says.
 
And while it's hard to criticize anyone who took a ricocheting watermelon to the face, Keoghan points out that energizer bunny Brook has been repeatedly picking up the slack for her teammate. "Claire has admitted that Brooke is an overachiever and during more than one occasion we've seen Claire lagging behind. They'll both need to be on the same page heading into this final leg or that could hurt them."

The finale takes the teams from Seoul to Los Angeles, where there will be bungee-jumping and the fan favorite brain-wracking memory challenge that quizzes the teams on all things big and small through the whole season.

"The final task really tests the racers determination and willingness to do whatever it takes to win," Keoghan says. "I would regard it as one of the best clutch challenges yet. And we also have a surprise appearance during this challenge by one of the most famous game show hosts of all time."


The memory task has long been considered a "make it or break it" task for teams, but there may be a more difficult — and literal — roadblock to overcome this time around.

"Look for plenty of jockeying by the [teams]," Keoghan says. "However, this time they're jockeying through the congestion of rush-hour traffic in Los Angeles. If you think you get annoyed sitting on the 405 [freeway] in Los Angeles trying to get to work imagine sitting in that same traffic with $1 million within your grasp."

And if an all-female duo doesn't beat the traffic and take home the dough Sunday, there's, as always, a chance for history to be made next season. Keoghan is currently filming the 18th installment, a preview of which will air after Sunday's finale.

"[It's going to be] another great season," he teases. "Also, don't forget, we're moving to HD as well this spring."

The Amazing Race airs Sunday at 8/7 on CBS.
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Post by: AmazingRace on December 11, 2010, 03:23:11 AM
:cmas9  :cmas9

... including that there is a SURPRISE APPEARANCE by a "popular game show host"

Drew Carey of The Price is Right? Howie Mandel of Deal or No Deal?

It could be Jeff Foxworthy of "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?". Based on the iPad task, I think it follows the Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader style.

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Rogue on December 11, 2010, 04:02:48 AM
Yeah, I have a feeling it's that order, too. Seems like Nat/Kat were first to the bungee & then Phil said there's a shuffle in the final placement :cmas4


Shuffle in final placement doesn't necessarily mean that the first team is going to lose it's spot. He didn't say shuffle in total placement. I think this would be giving away too much. The second and third place teams can flip back and forth without effecting the first place team. We do know that Nat and Kat are first to bungee but we don't know if a placement exchange happens before then. We do know that Brook and Claire question their position going to the mat but we don't know what position they were in going into the final task. But since we do know Thomas and Jill are right behind Nat and Kat, it is possible traffic will cause Thomas and Jill to leap in front. If we go back to Brook and Claire questioning their position, it could be possible traffic takes them out of first place.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: zaraice on December 11, 2010, 05:31:30 AM
I'm gonna call it now. Laugh at me all you want if I'm wrong on Sunday night! (Not playing favorites here)

THE AMAZING RACE 17 CHAMPIONS:

JILL HANEY AND THOMAS WOLFORD

SECOND PLACE:

NAT STRAND AND KAT CHANG

THIRD PLACE:

BROOK ROBERTS AND CLAIRE CHAMPLIN

You know, with all the new interviews by Phil that keep coming up, I feel that J/T being winners becomes a very likely possibility. Not only that, the over-emphasis on FF winners by the promos, and the lack of any footage of J/T in the foot (or cab) race down the stretch in the promos, seem to point towards J/T. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed and hoping N/K will win, but I'm not keeping my hopes too high anymore.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: LoveRocked on December 11, 2010, 06:05:08 AM
:cmas9  :cmas9

... including that there is a SURPRISE APPEARANCE by a "popular game show host"

Drew Carey of The Price is Right? Howie Mandel of Deal or No Deal?

It could be Jeff Foxworthy of "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?". Based on the iPad task, I think it follows the Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader style.



That's right.. I think Are you smarter than a fifth grade style like Amazing Race for based IPad task.. I think It's Jeff Foxworthy I think so.. and I think I feel gut First : Nat/Kat, Second Jill/Thomas, third: Brook/Claire..
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: milanissimo on December 11, 2010, 06:17:12 AM
I'm gonna call it now. Laugh at me all you want if I'm wrong on Sunday night! (Not playing favorites here)

THE AMAZING RACE 17 CHAMPIONS:

JILL HANEY AND THOMAS WOLFORD

SECOND PLACE:

NAT STRAND AND KAT CHANG

THIRD PLACE:

BROOK ROBERTS AND CLAIRE CHAMPLIN

You know, with all the new interviews by Phil that keep coming up, I feel that J/T being winners becomes a very likely possibility. Not only that, the over-emphasis on FF winners by the promos, and the lack of any footage of J/T in the foot (or cab) race down the stretch in the promos, seem to point towards J/T. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed and hoping N/K will win, but I'm not keeping my hopes too high anymore.

Unfortunately,reading new interview..  I think you're right....Jill and Thomas will win ..this season....(I return to my original ideas)
and Unfortunately I think that Nat and Kat lose because of BAD  taxi  driver :cmas4 :cmas4

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 11, 2010, 06:24:26 AM
Woah Woah Woah! Hold onto your hopes people. There is always hope!  :cmas16 :cmas17
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: krabbe on December 11, 2010, 06:29:52 AM

Shuffle in final placement doesn't necessarily mean that the first team is going to lose it's spot. He didn't say shuffle in total placement. I think this would be giving away too much. The second and third place teams can flip back and forth without effecting the first place team. We do know that Nat and Kat are first to bungee but we don't know if a placement exchange happens before then. We do know that Brook and Claire question their position going to the mat but we don't know what position they were in going into the final task. But since we do know Thomas and Jill are right behind Nat and Kat, it is possible traffic will cause Thomas and Jill to leap in front. If we go back to Brook and Claire questioning their position, it could be possible traffic takes them out of first place.

Only people who have been analyzing the previews & reading the speculations know that Nat/Kat arrived first at the bungee task, though.

Here's what I think will happen in the final leg: the teams leave the memory task within minutes of each other, get stuck in traffic, & Brook/Claire's taxi driver decides to take another route which separates them from the others, hence the "we could be last or first" comment. Tom/Jill check in first (gut feeling from interview & preview) because of a good taxi.

I'm still hoping my gut feeling is wrong, though. Nat/Kat for the win!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Ruth on December 11, 2010, 06:56:39 AM
I'm gonna call it now. Laugh at me all you want if I'm wrong on Sunday night! (Not playing favorites here)

THE AMAZING RACE 17 CHAMPIONS:

JILL HANEY AND THOMAS WOLFORD

SECOND PLACE:

NAT STRAND AND KAT CHANG

THIRD PLACE:

BROOK ROBERTS AND CLAIRE CHAMPLIN

You know, with all the new interviews by Phil that keep coming up, I feel that J/T being winners becomes a very likely possibility. Not only that, the over-emphasis on FF winners by the promos, and the lack of any footage of J/T in the foot (or cab) race down the stretch in the promos, seem to point towards J/T. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed and hoping N/K will win, but I'm not keeping my hopes too high anymore.


Yeah, I agree on that! Phil's interviews keep making me think that we're gonna get disappointed at the end.

Quote
"Sure, I think there will be some disappointment [if it doesn't happen]," host Phil Keoghan tells TVGuide.com. "But at the end of the day what makes The Amazing Race work is good fair competition and it will happen when it's meant to.

It seems like he's already trying to "console" all of us and tell us to just wait for the season when an all-female team is meant to win.

Man... But he's making the finale sound so exciting. Come on, Monday, please come!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: NoluckBoston on December 11, 2010, 07:00:47 AM
Still not seeing a confessional for T/J makes me think they win. Why would not show them? To excited

Now with Phil's interview it seems like this is how it will get edited. Cab jockeying put T/J behind N/K. N/K get a helicopter first, padding there lead.  They probably get caught up at the Road Block and there is more tense cab jockeying and this is where we see T/J getting directions or calling for a cab at the TV repair shop. Making it tense and wondering who will win???

I loved Nat and Kat, but Thomas and Jill did play a good game. All three deserve to win, but there will only be one winner and luck will determine it.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: gator27 on December 11, 2010, 07:35:27 AM
:cmas9  :cmas9

... including that there is a SURPRISE APPEARANCE by a "popular game show host"

Drew Carey of The Price is Right? Howie Mandel of Deal or No Deal?

It could be Jeff Foxworthy of "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?". Based on the iPad task, I think it follows the Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader style.





That's right.. I think Are you smarter than a fifth grade style like Amazing Race for based IPad task.. I think It's Jeff Foxworthy I think so.. and I think I feel gut First : Nat/Kat, Second Jill/Thomas, third: Brook/Claire..

Game show host - Bob Barker, come on down!

Do we know any game show hosts linked to the Tournament of Rose Parade?

Alternatively - Alex Trebeck.  The iPad challenge could be a Jeopardy type game.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: em_dee on December 11, 2010, 09:25:38 AM
I'm gonna call it now. Laugh at me all you want if I'm wrong on Sunday night! (Not playing favorites here)

THE AMAZING RACE 17 CHAMPIONS:

JILL HANEY AND THOMAS WOLFORD

SECOND PLACE:

NAT STRAND AND KAT CHANG

THIRD PLACE:

BROOK ROBERTS AND CLAIRE CHAMPLIN

After reading the latest Phil interviews and the fact that we have yet to see a post-race confessional shot of J/T, I agree with your post :cmas13. However, since this is a spoiler forum, can you at least share what made you say this with such conviction? It seems as if you know something that we don't...teehee..Thanks  :cmas16

BTW, this is my very first post ever. Been lurking here and got hooked since ep7 of this season. Last time I got hooked and completed watching a whole season was TAR5. I dunno what is it with TAR17 that got me this hooked and obsessed again (aside from Nat and Kat of course who had just been so amazing and lovable throughout the race plus the fact that their profession is something close to my heart... :cmas4 i so wanted them to win...suddenly, i'm not too excited for the finale anymore :cmas13)

 :cmas26 Advanced happy holidays guys. The work you've done here is just amazing.  :cmas9
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Snooky on December 11, 2010, 09:31:21 AM
I'm gonna call it now. Laugh at me all you want if I'm wrong on Sunday night! (Not playing favorites here)

THE AMAZING RACE 17 CHAMPIONS:

JILL HANEY AND THOMAS WOLFORD

SECOND PLACE:

NAT STRAND AND KAT CHANG

THIRD PLACE:

BROOK ROBERTS AND CLAIRE CHAMPLIN
LOL, this is my gut feeling but I never want this to happen.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 11, 2010, 09:31:58 AM
:bigwelcome Welcome to RFF em_dee!   :MC: :HH:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: em_dee on December 11, 2010, 09:37:53 AM
:bigwelcome Welcome to RFF em_dee!   :MC: :HH:

gee thanks  :cmas27
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: graytex on December 11, 2010, 09:43:20 AM
"Are you smarter than a 5th grader" and "Deal or No Deal" I believe are both NBC shows, so you can count those two out.

"The Price is Right" is CBS and "Jeopardy" and "Wheel of Fortune" are both syndicated.  Those 3 seem the most likely.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Snooky on December 11, 2010, 09:45:18 AM
"Are you smarter than a 5th grader" and "Deal or No Deal" I believe are both NBC shows, so you can count those two out.

"The Price is Right" is CBS and "Jeopardy" and "Wheel of Fortune" are both syndicated.  Those 3 seem the most likely.
Are you Smarter than a 5th Grader is actually Fox. (If I remember correctly)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 11, 2010, 09:46:55 AM
"Are you smarter than a 5th grader" and "Deal or No Deal" I believe are both NBC shows, so you can count those two out.

"The Price is Right" is CBS and "Jeopardy" and "Wheel of Fortune" are both syndicated.  Those 3 seem the most likely.
Are you Smarter than a 5th Grader is actually Fox. (If I remember correctly)

It's developed by Fox Broadcasting but they syndicate it. I don't see it on Fox in my viewing area for example.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: connayyy on December 11, 2010, 09:53:46 AM
I'm gonna call it now. Laugh at me all you want if I'm wrong on Sunday night! (Not playing favorites here)

THE AMAZING RACE 17 CHAMPIONS:

JILL HANEY AND THOMAS WOLFORD

SECOND PLACE:

NAT STRAND AND KAT CHANG

THIRD PLACE:

BROOK ROBERTS AND CLAIRE CHAMPLIN

You know, with all the new interviews by Phil that keep coming up, I feel that J/T being winners becomes a very likely possibility. Not only that, the over-emphasis on FF winners by the promos, and the lack of any footage of J/T in the foot (or cab) race down the stretch in the promos, seem to point towards J/T. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed and hoping N/K will win, but I'm not keeping my hopes too high anymore.


I completely agree with this. Everything points to J/T at this point.

At first I thought that the emphasis on FF winners could only mean that we would finally see an all-female team win, because why would they set us up for disappointment? But the interviews by Phil suggest that they're trying to ease our disappointment by reminding us that the most deserving team winning is what's important.

Still hoping to see a Nat & Kat win, but right now I'd say the probability of J/T winning is about 60%.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Rogue on December 11, 2010, 10:09:02 AM

Only people who have been analyzing the previews & reading the speculations know that Nat/Kat arrived first at the bungee task, though.

Here's what I think will happen in the final leg: the teams leave the memory task within minutes of each other, get stuck in traffic, & Brook/Claire's taxi driver decides to take another route which separates them from the others, hence the "we could be last or first" comment. Tom/Jill check in first (gut feeling from interview & preview) because of a good taxi.

I'm still hoping my gut feeling is wrong, though. Nat/Kat for the win!!

When I saw the first preview after the show, I noticed that the rope was let down on the left side of Thomas and Jill and still rolled up on their right. Then when I saw Brook or Claire's pink shirt in another preview I thought they were leaving and Nat and Kat were bringing up the rear. The sleuths here definitely pointed out that Nat and Kat had been at that spot. Either way it is information that we have.

I know the no confessionals from Jill and Thomas are leaving people to think they won but I don't remember one from Nat and Kat either. When they were at the final location they did talk about a previous challenge but I don't think we have anything from them otherwise. Also in the first preview after the show, when Nat and Kat weren't shown in the helicopter or on the bridge, I thought something had happened to them.

That being said what does a memory challenge have to do with determination and willingness to win? Either there is a final task after the memory task or Phil is talking about traffic. But the things that are a bit of a concern are why would Nat be calling someone in their cab? And what are Thomas and Jill doing in what could be a Mitsubishi store? Maybe they're not lost.

I thought all the hype was going to lead to a let down too. But I do realize that Phil is not going to really give us anything either. If we read between the lines we can get things wrong. Like I suggested, placement change can be from third to second. We could all read that statement and say oh look whatever team is in first but Phil said there will be a placement change so they're not going to win. I'm not sure if that wouldn't be considered too easy to guess. We also don't know when this placement change occurs either. I have this sneaking feeling that Thomas and Jill do manage to somehow get in there first (maybe his Notre Dame education will finally come into play) but I'm going to still hope for a Nat and Kat or Brook and Claire win.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Coutzy on December 11, 2010, 10:34:54 AM
Phil is a very smart man. He's had 17 seasons to perfect it, and he knows exactly what to say to make people think he's given it away, without giving anything away.

I wouldn't be reading anything into Phil's interviews about the finale. All of what he said, to me, reads as "It's a good episode, you should watch it"

PS- Since the number of Fast Forwards was cut down to 1, the only team to win without the use of the FF is Tammy and Victor, in a season where the Fast Forward stayed unused.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Cocoa on December 11, 2010, 10:42:59 AM
^Uhm, what do you mean? ???
How about the Linzes? Eric and Danielle? TK and Rachel? Freddy and Kendra? Chip and Kim? Brook and Claire? :lol:
Or do you mean that T/V are the first to win the FF in a season where FF is left unused? (Which is only TAR 14 atm)

(OKAY. OFFTOPIC. SORRY. NOW BACK TO OVER 'WHAT IFS' OF PROMOS AND INTERVIEWS TAR 17!)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Coutzy on December 11, 2010, 10:44:27 AM
Phil is a very smart man. He's had 17 seasons to perfect it, and he knows exactly what to say to make people think he's given it away, without giving anything away.

I wouldn't be reading anything into Phil's interviews about the finale. All of what he said, to me, reads as "It's a good episode, you should watch it"

PS- Since the number of Fast Forwards was cut down to 1, the only team to win without the use of the FF is Tammy and Victor, in a season where the Fast Forward stayed unused.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Cocoa on December 11, 2010, 10:48:54 AM
Phil is a very smart man. He's had 17 seasons to perfect it, and he knows exactly what to say to make people think he's given it away, without giving anything away.

I wouldn't be reading anything into Phil's interviews about the finale. All of what he said, to me, reads as "It's a good episode, you should watch it"

PS- Since the number of Fast Forwards was cut down to 1, the only team to win without the use of the FF during a race with only one FF is Tammy and Victor, in a season where the Fast Forward stayed unused.

Oh, sorry. *blushes*
(Sorry for the offtopic too. *blushes*)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: NoluckBoston on December 11, 2010, 10:54:45 AM
I'm guessing its either Wink Martindale or Bob Barker.  :cmas26
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: apskip on December 11, 2010, 11:08:17 AM
maybe his Notre Dame education will finally come into play) but I'm going to still hope for a Nat and Kat or Brook and Claire win.

Rogue,
I think a MD education is quite superior to what is available at Notre Dame. If intelligence is the main determinant of who wins an Amazing Race, then award it to Nat/Kat. However, we know from the history of the Amazing Race finales that many factors besides pure intelligence come into play, navigation skills and taxi selection luck being probably the most important two. I think any of the 3 teams can win it.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Belle Book on December 11, 2010, 11:10:55 AM
Phil is a very smart man. He's had 17 seasons to perfect it, and he knows exactly what to say to make people think he's given it away, without giving anything away.

I wouldn't be reading anything into Phil's interviews about the finale. All of what he said, to me, reads as "It's a good episode, you should watch it"

PS- Since the number of Fast Forwards was cut down to 1, the only team to win without the use of the FF is Tammy and Victor, in a season where the Fast Forward stayed unused.

I agree with you on avoiding the temptation to read too much into Phil's interviews about the finale.  For all we know, he might be misleading us -- making us think that Jill & Thomas won't win so we don't get our hopes up too much -- and then having them lose.  Of course, since I'm so biased in favor of Nat & Kat, I could be seeing what I want to see as well.   :cmas22

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Rogue on December 11, 2010, 11:48:26 AM
maybe his Notre Dame education will finally come into play) but I'm going to still hope for a Nat and Kat or Brook and Claire win.

Rogue,
I think a MD education is quite superior to what is available at Notre Dame. If intelligence is the main determinant of who wins an Amazing Race, then award it to Nat/Kat. However, we know from the history of the Amazing Race finales that many factors besides pure intelligence come into play, navigation skills and taxi selection luck being probably the most important two. I think any of the 3 teams can win it.

Oh I don't doubt it. It was a sarcastic moment that I tend to have in terms of Thomas. He has talked about how he thinks his Notre Dame education will come into play on the race but I haven't seen him do anything exceptionally smart thus far.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 11, 2010, 12:23:48 PM
Phil is a very smart man. He's had 17 seasons to perfect it, and he knows exactly what to say to make people think he's given it away, without giving anything away.

I wouldn't be reading anything into Phil's interviews about the finale. All of what he said, to me, reads as "It's a good episode, you should watch it"

PS- Since the number of Fast Forwards was cut down to 1, the only team to win without the use of the FF is Tammy and Victor, in a season where the Fast Forward stayed unused.

Well said, Coutzy!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: dpe on December 11, 2010, 01:30:40 PM
Kat, Kathy Honey Chang practices in Woodland Hills Ca, went to UCLA, betting she can get around L.A.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: David on December 11, 2010, 01:48:28 PM
I personally think that I'll be happy whatever the result is. They've been the most competitive and deserving teams for the big win. Nonetheless, if Jill & Thomas won, it would be a lost chance for FF fans.

I start to think that Thomas and Jill make it, just because the FF win thing is a thing, and we won't live to see its end, and so, I think they'll do it.

I'm extremely open to surprises, though!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: SillyCat on December 11, 2010, 01:49:00 PM
maybe his Notre Dame education will finally come into play) but I'm going to still hope for a Nat and Kat or Brook and Claire win.

Rogue,
I think a MD education is quite superior to what is available at Notre Dame. If intelligence is the main determinant of who wins an Amazing Race, then award it to Nat/Kat. However, we know from the history of the Amazing Race finales that many factors besides pure intelligence come into play, navigation skills and taxi selection luck being probably the most important two. I think any of the 3 teams can win it.

Oh I don't doubt it. It was a sarcastic moment that I tend to have in terms of Thomas. He has talked about how he thinks his Notre Dame education will come into play on the race but I haven't seen him do anything exceptionally smart thus far.

So who thinks Thomas is saying something along line of 'if only these electronic repair people went to Norte Dame instead of ITT, then they could really help me' as he reads their dimplomas in these screen caps? :cmas50

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/Promo%202/PROMO2caps1112.jpg)
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2012%20FINALE/Promo%202/PROMO2caps1137.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Lpadres on December 11, 2010, 02:08:06 PM
What if (In J/T final confessional) they look too sad, not too happy! That may be a reason why we haven't seen it. When I watched the promo, I didn't even notice Claire crying until we stopped it. Maybe t Jill is way too obviously crying about it. And also, perhaps the famous tv show host is the dude from Survivor? God, its sad how I can't remember his name... :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 11, 2010, 02:12:15 PM
Being that it is in LA I think that the final task will be on the set of some game show there. Can we locate any of those? I'm not sure if that is public knowledge.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 11, 2010, 02:15:31 PM
There is always CBS Television City, is that too obvious? There are many game shows there as well as sound stages and studios.

It is only 16 miles from the Rose Bowl, although that probably takes about an hour in traffic right? :lol:

And it is only 3.5 miles from the Greystone Mansion. I think we should consider this.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: mike4lyf on December 11, 2010, 04:24:56 PM
Just something slightly weird that I noticed-

On wikipedia, usually the team that came first in the previous leg is shown at the top of the placement table, while second is second down on the table, and so on, until the eliminated team.

It was this way as of last episode too.

I just went back and checked, and someone has changed the order of teams to-

Nat and Kat up the top, (even though they came 3rd)
Brook and Claire in the middle
and Jill and Thomas third, (even though they came 1st in the previous leg)

Does wikipedia know something we don't??

Anyway, henceforth, this is my prediction of the final leg- 1. Nat and Kat 2. Brook and Claire 3. Jill and Thomas.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Zvarri on December 11, 2010, 04:27:38 PM
Just something slightly weird that I noticed-

On wikipedia, usually the team that came first in the previous leg is shown at the top of the placement table, while second is second down on the table, and so on, until the eliminated team.

It was this way as of last episode too.

I just went back and checked, and someone has changed the order of teams to-

Nat and Kat up the top, (even though they came 3rd)
Brook and Claire in the middle
and Jill and Thomas third, (even though they came 1st in the previous leg)

Does wikipedia know something we don't??

Anyway, henceforth, this is my prediction of the final leg- 1. Nat and Kat 2. Brook and Claire 3. Jill and Thomas.

Yeah, I saw that too. Its a little strange.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: TAR new fan on December 11, 2010, 04:31:35 PM
There is always CBS Television City, is that too obvious? There are many game shows there as well as sound stages and studios.

It is only 16 miles from the Rose Bowl, although that probably takes about an hour in traffic right? :lol:

And it is only 3.5 miles from the Greystone Mansion. I think we should consider this.

could be!!  they could keep it tightly controlled with security too, which is an added plus.  :cmas31: :cmas31:
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Post by: mike4lyf on December 11, 2010, 05:02:51 PM
Just something slightly weird that I noticed-

On wikipedia, usually the team that came first in the previous leg is shown at the top of the placement table, while second is second down on the table, and so on, until the eliminated team.

It was this way as of last episode too.

I just went back and checked, and someone has changed the order of teams to-

Nat and Kat up the top, (even though they came 3rd)
Brook and Claire in the middle
and Jill and Thomas third, (even though they came 1st in the previous leg)

Does wikipedia know something we don't??

Anyway, henceforth, this is my prediction of the final leg- 1. Nat and Kat 2. Brook and Claire 3. Jill and Thomas.

Yeah, I saw that too. Its a little strange.

Yeah, but I don't think its random. It seems like it has a purpose.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: BK_amazing_race on December 11, 2010, 05:10:30 PM
Two things..
1. Who cares what order the finalists are in a column on wikipedia?  It means nothing.  Who cares if Nat and Kat are listed in front of the other two. Its just wikipedia anyone can edit it.
2. I just checked the page and it has Jill and Thomas listed first so I don't know what all of you are talking about.  Its irrelevant anyways.

lets get back to a relevant discussion! :cmas22
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: mswood on December 11, 2010, 05:19:28 PM
One interesting thing, I am assuming that only one racer does the memory task and that racer is Jill.  A big part of their edit is in the educational differences between the two.  This has been brought up several times, in Thomas having to double check her or tell her what something meant.

I was very very surprised last episode to see Thomas perform the roadblock has most fans know that from basically season 8 on, there has always been some form of mental task.  Now of course books smarts don't always racing smarts, but I think that either is the pay off for their edit (Jill doing really well) or the just reinforcement on them doing poorly on this task.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2010, 05:21:27 PM
But we see both racers doing what appears to be the memory task together in the promos.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: BK_amazing_race on December 11, 2010, 05:22:21 PM
Jill did well with the rickshaw task in Bangladesh or at least it seemed like she did from the edit...
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Post by: BK_amazing_race on December 11, 2010, 05:23:45 PM
Peach, who do you think won?  Who do you want to win?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: furybaby on December 11, 2010, 07:20:37 PM
Just something slightly weird that I noticed-

On wikipedia, usually the team that came first in the previous leg is shown at the top of the placement table, while second is second down on the table, and so on, until the eliminated team.

It was this way as of last episode too.

I just went back and checked, and someone has changed the order of teams to-

Nat and Kat up the top, (even though they came 3rd)
Brook and Claire in the middle
and Jill and Thomas third, (even though they came 1st in the previous leg)

Does wikipedia know something we don't??

Anyway, henceforth, this is my prediction of the final leg- 1. Nat and Kat 2. Brook and Claire 3. Jill and Thomas.

Yeah, I saw that too. Its a little strange.
Remember, we must not rely on wikipedia, it is
not a reliable source of information.
ANYONE can change it, don't start thinking
it's Nat and Kat JUST because of that.    :cmas12
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: furybaby on December 11, 2010, 07:22:55 PM
Just something slightly weird that I noticed-

Does wikipedia know something we don't??

Anyway, henceforth, this is my prediction of the final leg- 1. Nat and Kat 2. Brook and Claire 3. Jill and Thomas.

Yeah, I saw that too. Its a little strange.
Remember, we must not rely on wikipedia, it is
not a reliable source of information.
ANYONE can change it, don't start thinking
it's Nat and Kat JUST because of that.    :cmas12
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: topaz on December 11, 2010, 07:33:28 PM
I hope Jill and Thomas will not win the $1million prize on the final episode of TAR 17 tomorrow and imho (which I don't really trust wikipedia so much), these what will happen on the result of the race on the finale:

1st place - Nat and Kat (please be the 1st all female team to win it!!!)
2nd place - Jill and Thomas
3rd place - Brook and Claire
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Krab on December 11, 2010, 08:45:39 PM
Just joining in in the analysis fun/frenzy........ if Phil himself (in the TV Guide article) describes Nat and Kat as "always being calm, cool and collected", surely the taxi scene in the main preview which shows the pair grinning broadly and Kat saying "I'm getting palpitations" has to portend something really positive (hopefully something like their arriving at Greystone Mansion in first place)????

Or is this just more wishful speculation?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: mike4lyf on December 11, 2010, 08:53:08 PM
Just something slightly weird that I noticed-

On wikipedia, usually the team that came first in the previous leg is shown at the top of the placement table, while second is second down on the table, and so on, until the eliminated team.

It was this way as of last episode too.

I just went back and checked, and someone has changed the order of teams to-

Nat and Kat up the top, (even though they came 3rd)
Brook and Claire in the middle
and Jill and Thomas third, (even though they came 1st in the previous leg)

Does wikipedia know something we don't??

Anyway, henceforth, this is my prediction of the final leg- 1. Nat and Kat 2. Brook and Claire 3. Jill and Thomas.

Yeah, I saw that too. Its a little strange.
Remember, we must not rely on wikipedia, it is
not a reliable source of information.
ANYONE can change it, don't start thinking
it's Nat and Kat JUST because of that.    :cmas12

Yes, but wikipedia also happened to be correct in that Dan and Jordan would win s16, with Cowboys and Brent and Caite coming in 2nd and 3rd (This was before the season even aired the first episode)
Also, preseason to TAR 17, wikipedia also said that Jill and Thomas/ Brook and Claire/ Nat and Kat would win.

I know anyone can edit it, but for some reason I believe it.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: mswood on December 11, 2010, 09:47:38 PM
But we see both racers doing what appears to be the memory task together in the promos.
Peach it is possible as some of the seasons have had some with both racers performing aspects of the memory tasks, to just one person doing it, to one person doing part and another doing the other part.  We have also had racers close and some far away.  So I wouldn't just use distance as judging that they both work the task as one unit.

Since we know the Bungee is both, that leaves a roadblock at either the Rosebowl (Possible) or at the memory task also possible.  Do we have any eyewitnesses seeing only one person working on floats?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: mswood on December 11, 2010, 10:02:21 PM
Jill did well with the rickshaw task in Bangladesh or at least it seemed like she did from the edit...
Jill did well with the rickshaw task in Bangladesh or at least it seemed like she did from the edit...
Yes she apparently did well( based on the time it took teams to complete the days tasks (Jill 7 Thomas were faster then Nick & Vicki and at & Kat the teams that did the same number of tasks).  But thats putting something together, not book smarts or even memory smarts.  SO I don't know if I would judge that.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 11, 2010, 10:54:37 PM

Yes, but wikipedia also happened to be correct in that Dan and Jordan would win s16, with Cowboys and Brent and Caite coming in 2nd and 3rd (This was before the season even aired the first episode)
Also, preseason to TAR 17, wikipedia also said that Jill and Thomas/ Brook and Claire/ Nat and Kat would win.

I know anyone can edit it, but for some reason I believe it.

During this season, I remember during the leg Michael & Kevin got eliminated, I was constantly checking Wikipedia to find out the results, since I had no access to TV during that period. Just when the Episode started  being shown in the US, they were already being updated with "eager fans" putting Michael & Kevin in first and under Leg 12, "FTW" only for it to be removed seconds later. So I think it would be some fans editing it as they wish or they think it would end up in. So I think it's best to take it with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: slayton on December 12, 2010, 12:48:23 AM
Hello -- Joining in to say that I personally do not trust anything Phil says in his interviews about the finale.  Last season he specifically said that the lead would change a few times.  I was somewhat comforted by this and stopped worrying about the sepeculation (which turned out as expected) that the brothers got out of the airport first.  I allowed myself to believe that the cowboys must have overtook them at some point, even if the winner was still in doubt.  So I watched the entire show waiting for a lead change that NEVER CAME.  The brothers got out of the airport first and stayed in front the whole damn time.  Now he's again saying the lead changes.  He may very well be telling the truth but he lost me last season.  I love Phil but I don't pay any attention to what he says.
 :cmas12

Welcome to RFF, jayhawk!
I don't remember Phil every saying that last year, just that some people would be disappointed by the outcome. He is just trying to market the show though so those interviews are almost the same as the promos we see.

I remember what jayhawk mentioned because it messed up my final prediction despite knowing about the 30-minute customs lead.  I posted that I hoped that Phil wasn't hyperbolizing about the finale at the time, and he totally lied about the TAR16 finale.  

Phil must have been watching something else because "Teams pass each other back and forth all the way to the finish line," and "Just when you think you have worked out who is going to win, another team miraculously makes up the lost ground" never happened in the TAR16 finale; one team was in first place the entire leg after the plane touched down.

(It took me forever to find the article because I kept searching for text, when it was, in fact, a scanned image from TV Guide by puddin: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21836.msg517687.html#msg517687)

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Seamonkey on December 12, 2010, 05:15:11 AM
Longtime lurker and admirer of RFF..   :kisses

If the classic game show host is connected to the Rose Parade.. a quick search points to

Bob Eubanks (he has cohosted the Rose Parade for eons).  but also Bob Barker.

My search results..

Retired Game Show Host and Animal Activist Bob Barker to appear on “The Dr. Pat ...
The Rose Parade, and many other programs and specials. He has been part of ... Pat Show” on the VoiceAmerica Talk Radio Network. Retired Game Show Host and ... Home / Animal News, / Retired Game Show Host and Animal Activist Bob Barker ...
kritternews.com
Bob Barker
Barker co-hosted CBS' coverage of the Rose Parade from Pasadena, California
... Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Game Show Host. 1987–1988. Succeeded by. ... Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Game Show Host. 1994–1996. Succeeded by. ...
wikipedia.org
Bob Barker
Barker co-hosted CBS' coverage of the Rose Parade from Pasadena, Calif., for ... Retired TV Presenter and Game Show Host (1956–2007). Spouse(s). Dorothy Jo ... Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Game Show Host. 1984. Succeeded by. Dick ...
answers.com

Bob Eubanks
ndash; Episode #2.64 (2010) … Himself - Host 2010. Rose Parade 2010 ... Show Self (42 titles) 2010. The Newlywed Game (TV series) Himself - Host & ... when fellow Game Show Host, Jim Perry who was Mark Goodson's first choice to ...


And of course Bob Eubanks has hosted many more times in the past, not just in 2010.

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Cocoa on December 12, 2010, 05:29:43 AM
Hmm. I think the host has nothing to do with the Rose Parade. They are separate challenges.

I wish Jeff Probst is the host. I know, game show. But survivor is a game, therefore it is a game show. And thus, Jeff Probst is qualified. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 12, 2010, 05:37:34 AM
I can see Barker or Eubanks handing out the clue after they finish with the parade float......similiar to Wayne Newton in Vegas in TAR 15......just a thought. I was thinking of maybe Pat Sajak....but he doesnt appear to ever had any connection with the Rose Parade.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Cocoa on December 12, 2010, 05:40:27 AM
I speculate that the host appears at the memory challenge. No?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: em_dee on December 12, 2010, 07:34:49 AM
i know this will sound really absurd...(i know...this season is really making me too paranoid, argghh)
this is kat's present profile pic (www.facebook.com/kathoneychang)...
could this be her subtle way of telling us that they finished third?
dear god i hope not... :cmas13
but why of all pics post this...i mean there are a lot of screencaps available out there...why this one... :cmas5

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs1324.snc4/161515_1032604861_8289770_n.jpg)

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Post by: SkyWriter9 on December 12, 2010, 07:39:49 AM
i know this will sound really absurd...(i know...this season is really making me too paranoid, argghh)
this is kat's present profile pic (www.facebook.com/kathoneychang)...
could this be her subtle way of telling us that they finished third?
dear god i hope not... :cmas13
but why of all pics post this...i mean there are a lot of screencaps available out there...why this one... :cmas5

(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs1324.snc4/161515_1032604861_8289770_n.jpg)



Personally, I doubt it. First, CBS would have something to say about it... and second, why would she want to tell the world they finished third?

Interesting idea, though.

Edit: More likely it is saying that right now they are in third place- because they are. Last leg they arrived in 3rd place.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 12, 2010, 07:46:51 AM
I speculate that the host appears at the memory challenge. No?

Either that, or they're going to hand them a clue somewhere else.
Quick-does anybody know who owns Greystone Mansion?

It's owned by the city of Beverly Hills. An interesting tidbit from Wikipedia:

The house and grounds are often used in film and television. The house's descending staircase is one of the most famous sets in Hollywood.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 12, 2010, 07:48:22 AM
I can see Barker or Eubanks handing out the clue after they finish with the parade float......similiar to Wayne Newton in Vegas in TAR 15......just a thought. I was thinking of maybe Pat Sajak....but he doesnt appear to ever had any connection with the Rose Parade.

I speculate that the host appears at the memory challenge. No?

I think so too Cocoa.

In fact The Price is Right and Wheel of Fortune film at CBS Television City.
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Post by: SkyWriter9 on December 12, 2010, 07:49:40 AM
I speculate that the host appears at the memory challenge. No?

Either that, or they're going to hand them a clue somewhere else.
Quick-does anybody know who owns Greystone Mansion?

I believe the city owns the mansion.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 12, 2010, 07:53:29 AM
I speculate that the host appears at the memory challenge. No?

Either that, or they're going to hand them a clue somewhere else.
Quick-does anybody know who owns Greystone Mansion?

I believe the city owns the mansion.

Wikipedia says the mansion is owned by the City of Beverly Hills and is a city park.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: David on December 12, 2010, 07:54:02 AM
What if there isn't any host in the memory challenge (if that is what cocoa was talking about)?? Maybe the iPad is enough for them to receive their next clue, and maybe they are sent some kind of link through it to receive their clue??
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 12, 2010, 08:15:01 AM
I speculate that the host appears at the memory challenge. No?

Either that, or they're going to hand them a clue somewhere else.
Quick-does anybody know who owns Greystone Mansion?

I believe the city owns the mansion.

Wikipedia says the mansion is owned by the City of Beverly Hills and is a city park.

I was just wondering if the game show host owned it.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: krabbe on December 12, 2010, 09:44:15 AM
Maybe they have to guess the location of the pitstop through a wheel of fortune-type puzzle? After they answer a memory related question, they get to choose a consonant or something. Don't know how the iPad comes along, though.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Jobby on December 12, 2010, 09:51:32 AM
Peach, who do you think won?  Who do you want to win?

Peach loves everyone! :mas25
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Belle Book on December 12, 2010, 11:13:38 AM
Jill did well with the rickshaw task in Bangladesh or at least it seemed like she did from the edit...
Jill did well with the rickshaw task in Bangladesh or at least it seemed like she did from the edit...
Yes she apparently did well( based on the time it took teams to complete the days tasks (Jill 7 Thomas were faster then Nick & Vicki and at & Kat the teams that did the same number of tasks).  But thats putting something together, not book smarts or even memory smarts.  SO I don't know if I would judge that.

Yeah, Jill might be better at putting something together than say, Nat, but Nat (or Kat) might well have more book or memory smarts than Jill.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: 2old4tech on December 12, 2010, 12:25:51 PM
Jeopardy has an Ipad app; it's taped at Sony Pictures Studios in Culver City (10202 Washington Blvd); Culver City has numerous TV repair shops; and Alex Trebek is certainly a famous game show host.

Just sayin'
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Post by: milanissimo on December 12, 2010, 01:42:46 PM
It's also the best chance in series history for an all-female team to be crowned the winner with two of the three remaining duos lacking a Y chromosome.

"I know the first person I would hear from is my daughter," he says. And while Keoghan understands why his daughter and viewers are thrilled at the possibility, the host reminds them not to put the cart in front of the horse. "As I keep telling her, the great thing about The Amazing Race is that it's a fair competition," he says. "You can't write the script

 :cmas13 :cmas13

from people interview....
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: beatlelovr on December 12, 2010, 03:47:23 PM
Did anyone else notice Phil's eyebrow lift and smile in the promo?  He's been unusually amused by Brook and Claire throughout the season, I wonder if B/C crossing the finish line first brings about this bemused look.

In fairness, I am rooting for Brook and Claire so it could be wishful thinking.   :cmas27
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Post by: mike4lyf on December 12, 2010, 04:46:51 PM
Did anyone else notice Phil's eyebrow lift and smile in the promo?  He's been unusually amused by Brook and Claire throughout the season, I wonder if B/C crossing the finish line first brings about this bemused look.

In fairness, I am rooting for Brook and Claire so it could be wishful thinking.   :cmas27

Probably wishful thinking, but anyway- BROOK AND CLAIRE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE  :cmas51 :cmas51 :cmas51 :cmas51 :cmas51 Good luck Girls :DDDDDD
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Lpadres on December 12, 2010, 05:09:27 PM
They film the competitors and Phil clapping before the teams actually come. That way it looks neater. We really can't get anything off of that.
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Post by: GabrielP on December 12, 2010, 05:53:52 PM
Brook & Claire are in NYC. Does that mean anything?

For me, it looks like they're either 1st or 2nd place <3
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Post by: north09 on December 12, 2010, 05:57:30 PM
Brook & Claire are in NYC. Does that mean anything?

For me, it looks like they're either 1st or 2nd place <3

All of the teams from this season that can make it gather in NYC for the final. Means nothing.
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Post by: Rogue on December 12, 2010, 06:12:44 PM
I thought only the first and second place teams go to NYC and do a taping on the Today Show or something like that? Maybe they are the first or second place team.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything though. So forget my babbling here.
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Post by: KevinTheAmazingRace on December 12, 2010, 06:17:44 PM
I thought only the first and second place teams go to NYC and do a taping on the Today Show or something like that? Maybe they are the first or second place team.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything though. So forget my babbling here.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING!!! Always all final 3 teams are on Today Show so...
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: apskip on December 12, 2010, 08:47:10 PM
Now that we know Quixote Studios - Griffeth Park is the site of the critical memory task of AR17, here is some info on it:

there is stage 6, 7 and 8
Stage 7 is 120 feet square, at 120' x 120' makes 14,400 sq.ft.
it also has makeup, wardrobe and production
address of the Studios is 4585 Electronics Place

Here are the critical directions to Quixote Studios from "the Valley" near Pasadena:
QUIXOTE STUDIOS
GRIFFITH PARK

From the Valley
101 S toward Los Angeles
Merge onto 134 E
Exit San Fernando Rd
Right onto W Doran St
Left onto San Fernando Rd
Right onto W Broadway
W Broadway becomes Brazil
Left onto San Fernando Rd
Right onto Electronics Pl
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Rogue on December 12, 2010, 10:16:34 PM
I thought only the first and second place teams go to NYC and do a taping on the Today Show or something like that? Maybe they are the first or second place team.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything though. So forget my babbling here.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING!!! Always all final 3 teams are on Today Show so...

No need for all caps. I did say that does not mean anything and forget my babbling.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 12, 2010, 10:48:07 PM

THAT DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING!!! Always all final 3 teams are on Today Show so...

That is not always true.......after TAR 16.......I dont think that Caitie and Brent made the CBS show....I was at the TAR 14 check presentation and only Tammy/Victor were there....I was standing about 10 feet away next to Steve and Linda.....but they were not on camera.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: jayhawk on December 12, 2010, 10:49:54 PM
Hello -- Joining in to say that I personally do not trust anything Phil says in his interviews about the finale.  Last season he specifically said that the lead would change a few times.  I was somewhat comforted by this and stopped worrying about the sepeculation (which turned out as expected) that the brothers got out of the airport first.  I allowed myself to believe that the cowboys must have overtook them at some point, even if the winner was still in doubt.  So I watched the entire show waiting for a lead change that NEVER CAME.  The brothers got out of the airport first and stayed in front the whole damn time.  Now he's again saying the lead changes.  He may very well be telling the truth but he lost me last season.  I love Phil but I don't pay any attention to what he says.
 :cmas12

Welcome to RFF, jayhawk!
I don't remember Phil every saying that last year, just that some people would be disappointed by the outcome. He is just trying to market the show though so those interviews are almost the same as the promos we see.

I remember what jayhawk mentioned because it messed up my final prediction despite knowing about the 30-minute customs lead.  I posted that I hoped that Phil wasn't hyperbolizing about the finale at the time, and he totally lied about the TAR16 finale.  

Phil must have been watching somesething else because "Teams pass each other back and forth all the way to the finish line," and "Just when you think you have worked out who is going to win, another team miraculously makes up the lost ground" never happened in the TAR16 finale; one team was in first place the entire leg after the plane touched down.

(It took me forever to find the article because I kept searching for text, when it was, in fact, a scanned image from TV Guide by puddin: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21836.msg517687.html#msg517687)



Thanks for the backup, Slayton.  I tried to find the interview but couldn't.  I only remember watching the TAR16 finale waiting for the shift that never came.  Again this season, he said there was jockeying .  OK, B/C passed J/T but N/K never lost the lead.  I think his comments are misleading, which is okay I guess.  He's got to say something.  I just refuse to read anything into what he says.  Sometimes he lies.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 13, 2010, 12:30:01 AM
The J/T stop was here (http://www.acetvrepair.net/directions.html), where Los Angeles turns into Glendale.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 13, 2010, 01:23:57 AM
Did J/T even stop at the studio? When last seen (before the pitstop) they were heading north on La Cienega, approaching Beverly Hills from the south side. (source (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&hq=&ll=34.052837,-118.376114&spn=0.003276,0.006968&z=18&layer=c&cbll=34.052732,-118.376114&panoid=KzaPXDK3KxyC-Z85VX7YnQ&cbp=12,354.83,,0,15.12))
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Ruth on December 13, 2010, 01:25:23 AM
Hello -- Joining in to say that I personally do not trust anything Phil says in his interviews about the finale.  Last season he specifically said that the lead would change a few times.  I was somewhat comforted by this and stopped worrying about the sepeculation (which turned out as expected) that the brothers got out of the airport first.  I allowed myself to believe that the cowboys must have overtook them at some point, even if the winner was still in doubt.  So I watched the entire show waiting for a lead change that NEVER CAME.  The brothers got out of the airport first and stayed in front the whole damn time.  Now he's again saying the lead changes.  He may very well be telling the truth but he lost me last season.  I love Phil but I don't pay any attention to what he says.
 :cmas12

Welcome to RFF, jayhawk!
I don't remember Phil every saying that last year, just that some people would be disappointed by the outcome. He is just trying to market the show though so those interviews are almost the same as the promos we see.

I remember what jayhawk mentioned because it messed up my final prediction despite knowing about the 30-minute customs lead.  I posted that I hoped that Phil wasn't hyperbolizing about the finale at the time, and he totally lied about the TAR16 finale.  

Phil must have been watching somesething else because "Teams pass each other back and forth all the way to the finish line," and "Just when you think you have worked out who is going to win, another team miraculously makes up the lost ground" never happened in the TAR16 finale; one team was in first place the entire leg after the plane touched down.

(It took me forever to find the article because I kept searching for text, when it was, in fact, a scanned image from TV Guide by puddin: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21836.msg517687.html#msg517687)



Thanks for the backup, Slayton.  I tried to find the interview but couldn't.  I only remember watching the TAR16 finale waiting for the shift that never came.  Again this season, he said there was jockeying .  OK, B/C passed J/T but N/K never lost the lead.  I think his comments are misleading, which is okay I guess.  He's got to say something.  I just refuse to read anything into what he says.  Sometimes he lies.

This time, he lied to make all of us feel very happy in the end. :D
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Dånooky on December 13, 2010, 01:51:20 AM
Did J/T even stop at the studio? When last seen (before the pitstop) they were heading north on La Cienega, approaching Beverly Hills from the south side. (source (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&hq=&ll=34.052837,-118.376114&spn=0.003276,0.006968&z=18&layer=c&cbll=34.052732,-118.376114&panoid=KzaPXDK3KxyC-Z85VX7YnQ&cbp=12,354.83,,0,15.12))
I think there was footage of them (in the previews) solving the puzzle
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 13, 2010, 01:55:42 AM
NO TAR 18 SPOILERS IN THE TAR 17 threads please!!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 13, 2010, 02:02:46 AM
Quote
I think there was footage of them (in the previews) solving the puzzle
Right you are, I had forgotten. So their driver must have taken them west on the 10.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Jobby on December 13, 2010, 02:45:39 AM
Anyone noticed? :cmaslol

(http://i54.[banned image hosting site].com/jikdx1.jpg)

Sneaky editors! That isn't Nat and Kat's real cab i believe?! :cmaslol

Unless i may be wrong.. :cmas30:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 13, 2010, 02:48:41 AM
Well, it's not uncommon for them to use footage of taxi that does not belong to the team, but in this case, I think it is their cab?  :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: eamon_smith89 on December 13, 2010, 02:49:34 AM
ATTENTION TO ALL AMAZING RACE FANS.

It seems that there is still a debate about who actually "the first female team" to win the Amazing Race.

Just so you know  (to the confused fans) The Amazing Race (Original) and other version of The Amazing Race (asian, etc) is into their own entity which means all other version is adapted from the original US version.

Don't compare TAR to any TAR international version. TAR is the true a "race around the world".  :cmas12
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Ruth on December 13, 2010, 04:13:06 AM
I thought I saw a whitish thing on the wrist of the person who opened the cab door at the finish line. But it happened so quickly so I wasn't sure. If it really was, it means that it's Nat's watch and it's the real cab. Hmm.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Jobby on December 13, 2010, 04:27:16 AM
Anyway, the Roadblock count says Brooke and Thomas both did 7 RBs. It seems like they changed the rule to not more than 7 RBs.

Then this made me not understand one thing.. why did Jill keep going on about how Thomas will suck at the final RB.. i mean, she only had 5 RB counts... so even if she did the last one.. she'll only go up to 6 and still 1 away from limit??
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Cocoa on December 13, 2010, 05:31:34 AM
ATTENTION TO ALL AMAZING RACE FANS.

It seems that there is still a debate about who actually "the first female team" to win the Amazing Race.

Just so you know  (to the confused fans) The Amazing Race (Original) and other version of The Amazing Race (asian, etc) is into their own entity which means all other version is adapted from the original US version.

Don't compare TAR to any TAR international version. TAR is the true a "race around the world".  :cmas12

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!

Zabrina and Joe Jer were lame people (IMO, sorry guys!) so I don't consider that. I don't even consider TARA as a TAR btw. :lol:
Patricia and Sane? Haven't watched those people and the season.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Ruth on December 13, 2010, 06:13:40 AM
Anyway, the Roadblock count says Brooke and Thomas both did 7 RBs. It seems like they changed the rule to not more than 7 RBs.

Then this made me not understand one thing.. why did Jill keep going on about how Thomas will suck at the final RB.. i mean, she only had 5 RB counts... so even if she did the last one.. she'll only go up to 6 and still 1 away from limit??

If I'm not wrong, she only said that after they'd chosen Thomas for the Roadblock? The Roadblock clue only said "Who's bright enough to float" and I would assume that based on Thomas' high and mighty education, he would be the better candidate to do it. What's more, it's the last Roadblock and would matter a lot, so the choice would be Thomas by default. It wasn't until they opened up the clue and saw the part on the decoration that they realised Jill should have done it I guess...
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: eamon_smith89 on December 13, 2010, 06:19:05 AM
ATTENTION TO ALL AMAZING RACE FANS.

It seems that there is still a debate about who actually "the first female team" to win the Amazing Race.

Just so you know  (to the confused fans) The Amazing Race (Original) and other version of The Amazing Race (asian, etc) is into their own entity which means all other version is adapted from the original US version.

Don't compare TAR to any TAR international version. TAR is the true a "race around the world".  :cmas12

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!

Zabrina and Joe Jer were lame people (IMO, sorry guys!) so I don't consider that. I don't even consider TARA as a TAR btw. :lol:
Patricia and Sane? Haven't watched those people and the season.








Yeah sucks to see those lame people edited some article on wikipedia about TAR and wants to compare to those duplicate, unoriginal, miserable, cheap, and ungraceful ASIAN version. WE AMERICAN DON'T APPROVE THAT.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: georgiapeach on December 13, 2010, 06:22:56 AM
Anyway, the Roadblock count says Brooke and Thomas both did 7 RBs. It seems like they changed the rule to not more than 7 RBs.

Then this made me not understand one thing.. why did Jill keep going on about how Thomas will suck at the final RB.. i mean, she only had 5 RB counts... so even if she did the last one.. she'll only go up to 6 and still 1 away from limit??

If I'm not wrong, she only said that after they'd chosen Thomas for the Roadblock? The Roadblock clue only said "Who's bright enough to float" and I would assume that based on Thomas' high and mighty education, he would be the better candidate to do it. What's more, it's the last Roadblock and would matter a lot, so the choice would be Thomas by default. It wasn't until they opened up the clue and saw the part on the decoration that they realised Jill should have done it I guess...

The Roadblock rule apparently now says 7-5 is acceptable.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 13, 2010, 06:24:47 AM

Yeah sucks to see those lame people edited some article on wikipedia about TAR and wants to compare to those duplicate, unoriginal, miserable, cheap, and ungraceful ASIAN version. WE AMERICAN DON'T APPROVE THAT.

 :cmas12
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Post by: apskip on December 13, 2010, 07:28:28 AM
From what I saw, the margin of victory for Nat and Kat was being able to answer the Marilyn Monroe movie question themselves and getting access to the internet easily. It was taxi karma once again, as Nat and Kat had a taxi driver with a cell phone who understood them! I thought it was hilarious that all taxi drivers at the Rose Bowl were apparently recent immigrants who barely understood English. Nat and Kat got through to someone on the Internet first and that made all the difference, even though they did not know the obvious answer to the first word puzzle question of Don Quixote. Getting off the plane first helped too. I wonder how Jill/Thomas allowed that to happen back in Seoul.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Coutzy on December 13, 2010, 07:35:10 AM
From what I saw, the margin of victory for Nat and Kat was being able to answer the Marilyn Monroe movie question themselves and getting access to the internet easily. It was taxi karma once again, as Nat and Kat had a taxi driver with a cell phone who understood them! I thought it was hilarious that all taxi drivers at the Rose Bowl were apparently recent immigrants who barely understood English. Nat and Kat got through to someone on the Internet first and that made all the difference, even though they did not know the obvious answer to the first word puzzle question of Don Quixote. Getting off the plane first helped too. I wonder how Jill/Thomas allowed that to happen back in Seoul.

Who's Don Quixote? I still don't know.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 13, 2010, 07:41:18 AM
From what I saw, the margin of victory for Nat and Kat was being able to answer the Marilyn Monroe movie question themselves and getting access to the internet easily. It was taxi karma once again, as Nat and Kat had a taxi driver with a cell phone who understood them! I thought it was hilarious that all taxi drivers at the Rose Bowl were apparently recent immigrants who barely understood English. Nat and Kat got through to someone on the Internet first and that made all the difference, even though they did not know the obvious answer to the first word puzzle question of Don Quixote. Getting off the plane first helped too. I wonder how Jill/Thomas allowed that to happen back in Seoul.

Who's Don Quixote? I still don't know.

A fictional character in English literature. Check Wiki for more.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 13, 2010, 07:41:49 AM
Congrats to Nat and Kat for being the first all-female team to win! :xmas146
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: AmazingRace on December 13, 2010, 07:42:28 AM
Congrats to Nat and Kat for being the first all-female team to win! :xmas146

Yay! You're back!  :cmas9
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 13, 2010, 07:47:57 AM

Who's Don Quixote? I still don't know.

The lead character in Cervantes's book Man of LaMancha.......it is classic novel in Spanish literature.....but translated into many languages. Sancho Panza was his servant/squire. The theme of the work is about delusions.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Jobby on December 13, 2010, 08:30:12 AM
To be fair, and it does sound better -

Congratulations to Nat and Kat for being the first all-female team to win the ORIGINAL US version of The Amazing Race! :kisses
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 13, 2010, 08:43:06 AM
Congrats to Nat and Kat for being the first all-female team to win! :xmas146

Yay! You're back!  :cmas9

I was missed!?!?   :faint:

Still haven't watched the episode, but it sounds great!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 13, 2010, 08:46:17 AM
Anyway, the Roadblock count says Brooke and Thomas both did 7 RBs. It seems like they changed the rule to not more than 7 RBs.

Then this made me not understand one thing.. why did Jill keep going on about how Thomas will suck at the final RB.. i mean, she only had 5 RB counts... so even if she did the last one.. she'll only go up to 6 and still 1 away from limit??

If I'm not wrong, she only said that after they'd chosen Thomas for the Roadblock? The Roadblock clue only said "Who's bright enough to float" and I would assume that based on Thomas' high and mighty education, he would be the better candidate to do it. What's more, it's the last Roadblock and would matter a lot, so the choice would be Thomas by default. It wasn't until they opened up the clue and saw the part on the decoration that they realised Jill should have done it I guess...

The Roadblock rule apparently now says 7-5 is acceptable.

Apparently. Like I said they just change things and we never get a memo.  :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: kiki on December 13, 2010, 09:24:08 AM
I'm so happy with Nat & Kat winning! :xmas146 Isn't it funny that Tomas' famous education in the end proved to be not good enough as he didn't know a classic novel like Don Quixote? At one moment when no team could find who Santso Pantsa is I caught myself almost yelling the answer at the screen. :cmas30: 
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 13, 2010, 09:25:57 AM

Who's Don Quixote? I still don't know.

The lead character in Cervantes's book Man of LaMancha.......it is classic novel in Spanish literature.....but translated into many languages. Sancho Panza was his servant/squire. The theme of the work is about delusions.

 :-[ Oops!
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 13, 2010, 09:27:47 AM
Fwiw a timestamp: it's just after two when B/C finish up at the hotel.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 13, 2010, 09:32:16 AM
A big shout out to Slowhatch, Neobie, Chateau, and the others who helped solve the finale's locations and task before it aired!  :cmas51
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Belle Book on December 13, 2010, 11:11:23 AM
From what I saw, the margin of victory for Nat and Kat was being able to answer the Marilyn Monroe movie question themselves and getting access to the internet easily. It was taxi karma once again, as Nat and Kat had a taxi driver with a cell phone who understood them! I thought it was hilarious that all taxi drivers at the Rose Bowl were apparently recent immigrants who barely understood English. Nat and Kat got through to someone on the Internet first and that made all the difference, even though they did not know the obvious answer to the first word puzzle question of Don Quixote. Getting off the plane first helped too. I wonder how Jill/Thomas allowed that to happen back in Seoul.

I'm surprised they didn't know the answer to the first question!  I knew that one right off the bat!

Belle Book
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Post by: AmazingRace on December 13, 2010, 11:27:52 AM
I could'nt even solve any of the questions by myself to be honest.   :cmas4

I am still wondering how people can figure out the riddle in the last clue of TAR 16.  :cmas18 Must be an American thing?  :cmas5

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Post by: kadilahopper on December 13, 2010, 11:44:19 AM
As much as I wanted Jill and Thomas to win, it all came down to quick thinking.  Jill and Thomas had been strong in that department throughout the race, but fell apart at the end.  They have no one to blame but themselves.  Nat and Kat used their noggins! Way to go ladies!!!!!!!!! When they saw that the clue was a riddle, they went through all the cab drivers till they found one that understood english and had a phone.  The moral of this story is that  calm and steady wins the race.  And the muscle in your brain is your most powerful tool.  
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Post by: TrueNorth on December 13, 2010, 12:20:56 PM
I only knew the 7 year itch. Can't claim to know the others! Was rooting for Brooke and Claire, but Nat and Kat were my second favorite team.
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Post by: David on December 13, 2010, 12:41:57 PM
I may be able to clear some things up.

Sancho Panza is a chatacter of Don Quijote de la Mancha, the most important book ever written in Spanish literature. They are some sort of cavaliers, and go through the Mancha -Spanish region-, helping people (Both of them are a bit crazy) and they exaggerate things a lot.

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Post by: milanissimo on December 13, 2010, 01:49:39 PM
 :cmas9 :cmas9 Nat and Kat.. first
 :xmas146 :xmas146 Brook and Claire...second..

Great season ...and great cast....(I think 17th season is much better than 13Th 14Th 15Th 16Th seasons)

And Phil is a great liar.... :cmaslol :cmaslol :cmaslol
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Post by: slayton on December 13, 2010, 02:55:33 PM
Literary figures and historical figures tend to be kryptonite on the race.

It tells me a lot about the people that get cast.  I'm not shocked that none of them were familiar with Don Quixote and Sancho Panza.

Tammy & Victor are probably one of the few teams that would've gotten Don Quixote.
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Post by: Prophet on December 13, 2010, 03:07:15 PM
Literary figures and historical figures tend to be kryptonite on the race.

It tells me a lot about the people that get cast.  I'm not shocked that none of them were familiar with Don Quixote and Sancho Panza.

Tammy & Victor are probably one of the few teams that would've gotten Don Quixote.

They're just regular people. Remember the name Sancho Panza is all they had to go by. In that situation you know what I and everybody else on this board would have done?
Exactly what the teams did, Google it.  :cmaslol
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Post by: slayton on December 13, 2010, 03:18:24 PM
Literary figures and historical figures tend to be kryptonite on the race.

It tells me a lot about the people that get cast.  I'm not shocked that none of them were familiar with Don Quixote and Sancho Panza.

Tammy & Victor are probably one of the few teams that would've gotten Don Quixote.

They're just regular people. Remember the name Sancho Panza is all they had to go by. In that situation you know what I and everybody else on this board would have done?
Exactly what the teams did, Google it.  :cmaslol

Don Quixote and Sancho Panza are as famous as Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Watson to me.  You don't have to be a bookworm to know of them. 
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Post by: Prophet on December 13, 2010, 03:21:14 PM
Literary figures and historical figures tend to be kryptonite on the race.

It tells me a lot about the people that get cast.  I'm not shocked that none of them were familiar with Don Quixote and Sancho Panza.

Tammy & Victor are probably one of the few teams that would've gotten Don Quixote.

They're just regular people. Remember the name Sancho Panza is all they had to go by. In that situation you know what I and everybody else on this board would have done?
Exactly what the teams did, Google it.  :cmaslol

Don Quixote and Sancho Panza are as famous as Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Watson to me.  You don't have to be a bookworm to know of them. 

This just goes to show you how different people are depending on their experiences. You may know book characters, but do you know NFL players? (Just an example)
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Post by: chill_sd on December 13, 2010, 03:39:38 PM
Literary figures and historical figures tend to be kryptonite on the race.

This is so very true.  Just look how much trouble the teams in S13 had distinguishing between Lenin and Stalin, much less not knowing who they were.
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Post by: David on December 13, 2010, 03:47:55 PM
Well, in this case, I would have had some kind of advantage (being Spanish helps, :lol: ).

However, it issomehow shocking that none of them knew who they are. I thought the docotrs were smarter than what they are? Hope not, :lol:

But, it is as if you were asked who Otelo is, or who was le Petit Prince... International literature should be somehow familiar to almost everyone, IMHO.
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Post by: Rogue on December 13, 2010, 05:17:10 PM
I think people are taking this book issue too far. I have never had to read about Don Quixote in elementary school, H.S., or college. I have heard of Don Quixote before but that question would have totally failed me as well. And the fact of the matter is that most of the people who are saying they knew the answer, that is only because they were forced to read the book at sometime in their lives. If you're never assigned to read the book for a class or if no one says you gotta read this book then chances are, unless you love to read, you're never going to pick it up.
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Post by: Cocoa on December 13, 2010, 05:52:38 PM
Yeah. Don Quixote is familiar with me (he was introduced in our high school english, and then got a role in Danooky's games in Spain :lol:) but there is no waaaay I could have solved the puzzle.
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Post by: Dånooky on December 13, 2010, 06:11:51 PM
I think people are taking this book issue too far. I have never had to read about Don Quixote in elementary school, H.S., or college. I have heard of Don Quixote before but that question would have totally failed me as well. And the fact of the matter is that most of the people who are saying they knew the answer, that is only because they were forced to read the book at sometime in their lives. If you're never assigned to read the book for a class or if no one says you gotta read this book then chances are, unless you love to read, you're never going to pick it up.
The thing is, Don Quixote is a huge epic book (way longer than the 7 Harry Potter books together), so most of the people that know the answer know it because Sancho Panza is as famous as Don Quixote itself. I wouldn't expect a non-Spanish-speaking American to know of him, though
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Post by: DrRox on December 13, 2010, 07:26:19 PM

They're just regular people. Remember the name Sancho Panza is all they had to go by. In that situation you know what I and everybody else on this board would have done?
Exactly what the teams did, Google it.  :cmaslol

Well I really dont know what you mean by this statement. I knew all the answers when they read the questions......I would have had to get help to find the address of that studio....but the answers to the quiz was not hard for me.

In the 1950s in the US in the early day of television, lots of producers took works from classic literature and made TV programs out of them. The American TV show based on the book Don Quixote de la Mancha was called "The Cisco Kid." I dont think I ever missed an episode. The corresponding characters were Don Quixote = The Cisco Kid. and Sanch Panza = Pancho. I still have a long term friendship whom I call Pancho just because of that book/TV program.

But as someone mentioned earlier.......I was one of those kids that loved to read...still do.
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Post by: Jobby on December 13, 2010, 07:43:08 PM

They're just regular people. Remember the name Sancho Panza is all they had to go by. In that situation you know what I and everybody else on this board would have done?
Exactly what the teams did, Google it.  :cmaslol

Well I really dont know what you mean by this statement. I knew all the answers when they read the questions......I would have had to get help to find the address of that studio....but the answers to the quiz was not hard for me.

In the 1950s in the US in the early day of television, lots of producers took works from classic literature and made TV programs out of them. The American TV show based on the book Don Quioxte de la Mancha was called "The Cisco Kid." I dont think I ever missed an episode. The corresponding characters were Don Quixote = The Cisco Kid. and Sanch Panza = Pancho. I still have a long term friendship whom I call Pancho just because of that book/TV program.

But as someone mentioned earlier.......I was one of those kids that loved to read...still do.

I'm just glad i'm like Nat, i only knew the answer to Monroe's question! :cmaslol
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Post by: DrRox on December 13, 2010, 07:58:38 PM
The theme of Don Quixote is about delusions.......so I immediately thought it was a great analogy....for the one team winning, the end would be a reality and the other two would be delusions...


I dont think when I was 7-8 watching The Cisco Kid that I had even heard of Don Quoxite......but probably later in HS.....made the connection.


There is a pretty cool statue of Don Quixote and Sancha Panza in Madrid.......in a square.

What the heck was the 2nd question........
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: theschnauzers on December 13, 2010, 08:38:37 PM
Lastly, but not least, the story of Don Quixote was made into a successful Broadway musical "Man of La Mancha," which included a popular hit song of the mid-1960s, "(To Dream) The Impossible Dream," (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfHnzYEHAow)," and a 1972 TV production with Peter O'Toole, Sophia Loren, and directed by Arthur Hiller. (The You Tube clip is from that 1972 production.)
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Post by: slayton on December 13, 2010, 08:39:10 PM
I don't like most finales, and this one was no exception.

Other than it being completely lacking in competitiveness and drama, this is probably one of the ugliest looking finales on a visual level that I can remember.

Going to a port, a parking lot, and a dark warehouse studio is very blah to me.
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Post by: Rogue on December 13, 2010, 08:47:32 PM

They're just regular people. Remember the name Sancho Panza is all they had to go by. In that situation you know what I and everybody else on this board would have done?
Exactly what the teams did, Google it.  :cmaslol

Well I really dont know what you mean by this statement. I knew all the answers when they read the questions......I would have had to get help to find the address of that studio....but the answers to the quiz was not hard for me.

In the 1950s in the US in the early day of television, lots of producers took works from classic literature and made TV programs out of them. The American TV show based on the book Don Quioxte de la Mancha was called "The Cisco Kid." I dont think I ever missed an episode. The corresponding characters were Don Quixote = The Cisco Kid. and Sanch Panza = Pancho. I still have a long term friendship whom I call Pancho just because of that book/TV program.

But as someone mentioned earlier.......I was one of those kids that loved to read...still do.

There was also a cartoon in the 90s that my best friend just put me on. It was about Don Coyote and Sancho Panda. I told her I never watched this. But both Nat and Kat are in their 30s so unless there were reruns of The Cisco Kid in the 80s, which I don't remember, they wouldn't have known about that. I consider myself to be pretty smart and I like to read and there are books and specific characters that I have heard of but never read. I've only really heard of Don Quixote in passing. But we like to imagine that at some point in everyone's lives they all learn all of the same information. While there are some things we all know, when it comes to books that's something you really can't expect. You have to figure in school systems and their book lists, professors, and even classes. Most of my literature classes in college focused on short stories some of which were so boring I actually don't remember them. But as my best friend so kindly pointed out, you may not know one thing but you still know plenty of other things.
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Post by: Vitoko on December 13, 2010, 09:12:58 PM
Grean Finale! :D. My thoughts.

The whole "Last man standing" and "Cheetah pants" don't know why makes me laugh it was like a relief of the racers before getting into the final leg.

It was great to see Nat and Kat in first place from the beggining till the end, but I still freak out a couple of times during the leg.

Feel really bad for her when I saw Nat crying while Thomas was waiting for her to freeze in the top of the crane (hate him at this point)

Then freak out again when Nat didn't prep the flowers correctly I though this was the moment when Jill and Thomas would out run them finishing the roadbloack first. And then again when Brook and Claire and Jill and Thomas leave the Rose Bowl while Nat was on the phone trying to solve the riddle that btw I only knew the first one the rest are still a mistery to me.

I don't know why, maybe I'm a bad person but I laugh and was glad to see Jill and Thomas get lost and having trouble with their cab driver (probably the first time I'm glad to see that happen) specially 'cause he didn't knew what the internet was and he keep saying "I have GPS" haha. if they knew at least one of the questions they would probably use it btw.

Gotta love the Greeters memory tv show task. Kat seems to have a better memory that Nat she knew when they were wrong, but getting there and leaving before anyone else was excelent. Brook and Claire seems to have more eye for what people wear during the race haha editing made it look they did it fastest. I wonder if Jill and Thomas struggle or they just gave up at that point.

I know everyone is saying that its the first time they used the greeters for the memory task but that is not completly true, I know TARLA its not the original version of the franchise but in the first season of TARLA the memory task was about the greeters and that aired first that the TAR17 was recorded. Probably an idea of the same person.

Teams have to match the pitstop greeters with the location of the pitstop represented by life sized cardboards (lame part due low budget) and put them in order from Leg 1 to Leg 12 mid point. the cardboards where mixed with random places that teams visited during the race and people.

But still the fact that producers randomly used the fact that they all were using hats to do the final task is still creative and again random and unexpected.

And finally it was 4.00 am of the morning when I get to watch the moment I was waiting: for my favorite team winning the amazing race. Finally the cursed has broken and an All Female team won the race. A team so calm and supportive to each other, so effective doing every task. A team that race against not only 10 teams but their own fears and issues, eating meat after 20 years bungee free falling from a crane with fear of heights racing been diabetes. A really great team.

This was actually a GREAT season with a GREAT finale with a GREAT team winning the prize. Can't ask for more.

Happy Holidays to everyone. A F/F Team won the amazing race, What a Christmas miracle  :cmas9
 
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Post by: thespicdatum on December 13, 2010, 09:16:51 PM
From what I saw, the margin of victory for Nat and Kat was being able to answer the Marilyn Monroe movie question themselves and getting access to the internet easily. It was taxi karma once again, as Nat and Kat had a taxi driver with a cell phone who understood them! I thought it was hilarious that all taxi drivers at the Rose Bowl were apparently recent immigrants who barely understood English. Nat and Kat got through to someone on the Internet first and that made all the difference, even though they did not know the obvious answer to the first word puzzle question of Don Quixote. Getting off the plane first helped too. I wonder how Jill/Thomas allowed that to happen back in Seoul.

It was not taxi Karma. Nat and Kat had to go through many taxis asking if they have a phone or know what the clue is about and probably one who speaks good English as well. They settled on the taxi they rode and that made them win.

Unlucky Jill and Thomas, though
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Post by: woden on December 13, 2010, 09:18:06 PM
I don't like most finales, and this one was no exception.

Other than it being completely lacking in competitiveness and drama, this is probably one of the ugliest looking finales on a visual level that I can remember.

Going to a port, a parking lot, and a dark warehouse studio is very blah to me.

Yep.
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Post by: Kacper on December 13, 2010, 09:34:35 PM
I don't like most finales, and this one was no exception.

Other than it being completely lacking in competitiveness and drama, this is probably one of the ugliest looking finales on a visual level that I can remember.

Going to a port, a parking lot, and a dark warehouse studio is very blah to me.

Yep.

Well for me season 16's and 17's were not that exciting for me. Season 15's finale (in las vegas)was interesting and had some drama as well as season 14's finale. But again for me season 15's finale was one of the most interesting finales with all the climbing, jumping, poker chip counting etc. :)
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Post by: DrRox on December 13, 2010, 09:37:19 PM
Well I definitely think that those 3 taxi drivers were not randomly picked.......they had to be recruited.......to be so bad......lmao
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Post by: ovalorange on December 13, 2010, 11:38:35 PM
The finale was pretty boring for me. Tbh, I don't think the tasks were awfully challenging for the teams and they didn't allow the teams to overtake and become really competitive with one another.

The bungee swing was entertaining but it really just put more time between each of the teams - something I definitely don't want to see in a finale. I want to see the teams pushing themselves to beat the other team, to be seen racing neck and neck with one another. The only time that happened was in the cabs to the port. The roadblock was boring and lame, the only somewhat exciting aspect of it was when Nat forgot to put the water in the buds - and yet they still managed to leave in first with plenty of time to find a good cab driver. And I agree with Slayton, why was it done in a car park?  :cmas18  The memory challenge was okay, but I think it would have been more exciting had we been able to look at the board and try and figure some out, instead of just being shown the teams choosing the right ones or making a mistake. It was better than last seasons, but really didn't challenge either Nat and Kat or Brook and Claire. It was nothing compared to TAR12, TAR13 or TAR14's memory tasks.

What did make it exciting were the teams. They really pushed themselves and their partner to the finish line. And we got a happy ending this time around, it was a lot more joyful than our ugly Brandy/Caite session last season. :mas25

I think this finale failed to allow the trailing teams to catch up and move ahead of Nat and Kat. Once the doctors gained the small lead at the port it allowed them to just take off -  and unless they would have make a big mistake, there was no way they were going to lose.


But in saying that:

Congratulations to Nat and Kat for winning the race  :cmas9  :cmas23  :cmas16
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Post by: Jobby on December 14, 2010, 12:20:54 AM
I think people are just hard to please. When the finale is exciting, the people complain that another team should have won. When a deserving team won, people will complain about how the finale is not exciting.

And when we have an exciting finale and a deserving winning team in TAR 15, people complain about the fact that there's no memory challenge and that Meghan and Cheyne are not the most well-liked team around...

 :cmaslol Ahhh, people.
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Post by: redskevin88 on December 14, 2010, 12:26:18 AM
I liked this finale....
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Post by: Coutzy on December 14, 2010, 01:26:27 AM

They're just regular people. Remember the name Sancho Panza is all they had to go by. In that situation you know what I and everybody else on this board would have done?
Exactly what the teams did, Google it.  :cmaslol

Well I really dont know what you mean by this statement. I knew all the answers when they read the questions......I would have had to get help to find the address of that studio....but the answers to the quiz was not hard for me.

In the 1950s in the US in the early day of television, lots of producers took works from classic literature and made TV programs out of them. The American TV show based on the book Don Quioxte de la Mancha was called "The Cisco Kid." I dont think I ever missed an episode. The corresponding characters were Don Quixote = The Cisco Kid. and Sanch Panza = Pancho. I still have a long term friendship whom I call Pancho just because of that book/TV program.

But as someone mentioned earlier.......I was one of those kids that loved to read...still do.

There was also a cartoon in the 90s that my best friend just put me on. It was about Don Coyote and Sancho Panda. I told her I never watched this. But both Nat and Kat are in their 30s so unless there were reruns of The Cisco Kid in the 80s, which I don't remember, they wouldn't have known about that. I consider myself to be pretty smart and I like to read and there are books and specific characters that I have heard of but never read. I've only really heard of Don Quixote in passing. But we like to imagine that at some point in everyone's lives they all learn all of the same information. While there are some things we all know, when it comes to books that's something you really can't expect. You have to figure in school systems and their book lists, professors, and even classes. Most of my literature classes in college focused on short stories some of which were so boring I actually don't remember them. But as my best friend so kindly pointed out, you may not know one thing but you still know plenty of other things.

This. A thousand times this. I'd only previously heard of Don Quixote from a Simpsons episode where Homer and Marge were arguing about something or other, and Marge insisted it was Quixote. Looking at the age of the contestants, I think it would be reasonably safe to say that they would have had to read it in school, or really love classical literature to instantly get it. Maybe if they'd asked who Quixote was, I would have been able to pick out that he was a fictional character, but asking about his apprentice? Sorry, I wasn't even born when that was on TV.

Personally, I knew none of the answers, but I was more surprised that of the seemingly hundreds of taxis waiting, none of the drivers had an iPhone. Straight away, I would have been looking for google and/or wikipedia's help.
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Post by: Ruth on December 14, 2010, 01:26:53 AM
I think people are just hard to please. When the finale is exciting, the people complain that another team should have won. When a deserving team won, people will complain about how the finale is not exciting.

And when we have an exciting finale and a deserving winning team in TAR 15, people complain about the fact that there's no memory challenge and that Meghan and Cheyne are not the most well-liked team around...

 :cmaslol Ahhh, people.

LOL I SO agree with that. I'm totally not complaining about this season because it was exciting to me. (My heart was thumping in fear for something to happen to Nat and Kat, letting a team overtake them.) I only completely believed that they would win when they really appeared at the finish line. It couldn't have been a better finale, team shuffling or no team shuffling.

And I just love this season so much, from beginning to end. It's been really exciting and unpredictable at times. Three cheers for TAR 17!
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Post by: muffin on December 14, 2010, 01:37:19 AM
10years back when I was in LA airport, took a cab driven by a Iranian driver who speaks very little English and
got me lost for the entirely 1hr. 10years now, thought thing has improved and yet you still can find cab driver who can't speak English. As English is the first language in the US, so it's a bit strange how on earth did these cab drivers can their licence. Don't they need to take some kind of test?
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Post by: Slowhatch on December 14, 2010, 01:57:52 AM
Yep.
Quote
An applicant shall have the ability to communicate in English, written and spoken, as
measured by standards and procedures established by the Department.
It's section 610 here (http://www.ladot.lacity.org/pdf/PDF21.pdf). Sections 611 and 612 are also good for a laugh.  :cmaslol
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Post by: Cocoa on December 14, 2010, 03:16:30 AM
Wait, what? Taxi drivers in USA have IPhones? :o :o *jaw drops*
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Post by: Jobby on December 14, 2010, 08:41:00 AM
Wait, what? Taxi drivers in USA have IPhones? :o :o *jaw drops*

I've seen S'porean Taxi Drivers with iPhones even.. so why not? :cmaslol
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Post by: Cocoa on December 14, 2010, 09:38:35 AM
Wow. Just wow. Everyone's rich then. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Rogue on December 14, 2010, 09:42:55 AM
The taxis were all part of the final task. Phil told us this without telling us this.
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Post by: Plaidmoon on December 14, 2010, 01:22:24 PM
The taxis were all part of the final task. Phil told us this without telling us this.

Indeed. The cabs (either by design or accident - I think by design) were the decisive task. All 3 teams had to figure out how to solve the puzzle without help from the driver (and apparently the dispatcher). While it can be argued that teams could have known the answers to the first and third question (I did), no one could reasonably be expected to know the second answer. You needed to get internet access to solve it quickly and effectively. Nat and Kat had the advantage of getting to the cabs first and wisely screened them before choosing one. They were also the most successful at finding a way to contact someone with internet access to help them. Brook and Claire went to a hotel, which was smart but not as fast. Jill and Thomas were reduced at one point to standing in the street next to their cab yelling "Help! Internet?" which was oddly sad and pathetic  but not successful. So, Nat and Kat deserved to win just for handling that difficult situation.

It occurs to me that all three teams had members that either live or have recently lived in the Los Angeles area. I'm not sure about Brook and Claire, but Brook seems to be listed in places as living in the Los Angeles area. They all seem to have had phone access in the cab (I think). I believe Nat and Kat may have called someone they knew to do the internet research. I don't understand why the other teams didn't do that. If the other teams had friends or family in the area (or even anywhere else in the country) not calling them for help seems like an inexcusable mistake at the critical point in the race.
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Post by: Rogue on December 14, 2010, 02:54:07 PM
The taxis were all part of the final task. Phil told us this without telling us this.

Indeed. The cabs (either by design or accident - I think by design) were the decisive task. All 3 teams had to figure out how to solve the puzzle without help from the driver (and apparently the dispatcher). While it can be argued that teams could have known the answers to the first and third question (I did), no one could reasonably be expected to know the second answer. You needed to get internet access to solve it quickly and effectively. Nat and Kat had the advantage of getting to the cabs first and wisely screened them before choosing one. They were also the most successful at finding a way to contact someone with internet access to help them. Brook and Claire went to a hotel, which was smart but not as fast. Jill and Thomas were reduced at one point to standing in the street next to their cab yelling "Help! Internet?" which was oddly sad and pathetic  but not successful. So, Nat and Kat deserved to win just for handling that difficult situation.

It occurs to me that all three teams had members that either live or have recently lived in the Los Angeles area. I'm not sure about Brook and Claire, but Brook seems to be listed in places as living in the Los Angeles area. They all seem to have had phone access in the cab (I think). I believe Nat and Kat may have called someone they knew to do the internet research. I don't understand why the other teams didn't do that. If the other teams had friends or family in the area (or even anywhere else in the country) not calling them for help seems like an inexcusable mistake at the critical point in the race.

Nat and Kat said they researched more for L.A. than they did for anywhere else. They had telephone numbers to call tourist places and they called 411 and were able to check and double check the information they got.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 14, 2010, 02:57:12 PM
The taxis were all part of the final task. Phil told us this without telling us this.

Indeed. The cabs (either by design or accident - I think by design) were the decisive task. All 3 teams had to figure out how to solve the puzzle without help from the driver (and apparently the dispatcher). While it can be argued that teams could have known the answers to the first and third question (I did), no one could reasonably be expected to know the second answer. You needed to get internet access to solve it quickly and effectively. Nat and Kat had the advantage of getting to the cabs first and wisely screened them before choosing one. They were also the most successful at finding a way to contact someone with internet access to help them. Brook and Claire went to a hotel, which was smart but not as fast. Jill and Thomas were reduced at one point to standing in the street next to their cab yelling "Help! Internet?" which was oddly sad and pathetic  but not successful. So, Nat and Kat deserved to win just for handling that difficult situation.

It occurs to me that all three teams had members that either live or have recently lived in the Los Angeles area. I'm not sure about Brook and Claire, but Brook seems to be listed in places as living in the Los Angeles area. They all seem to have had phone access in the cab (I think). I believe Nat and Kat may have called someone they knew to do the internet research. I don't understand why the other teams didn't do that. If the other teams had friends or family in the area (or even anywhere else in the country) not calling them for help seems like an inexcusable mistake at the critical point in the race.

Nat and Kat said they researched more for L.A. than they did for anywhere else. They had telephone numbers to call tourist places and they called 411 and were able to check and double check the information they got.

Nat and Kat also gave themselves an advantage by leaving their first taxi and finding a new one unlike Jill and Thomas, who allowed their unintelligent taxi driver to drive them around the city before dropping them off in a neighborhood, where the dating couple proceeded to yell at random passerby about internet access. As for Brooke and Claire, their method was simply slower than the doctors'.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: apskip on December 14, 2010, 03:17:28 PM
I think people are taking this book issue too far. I have never had to read about Don Quixote in elementary school, H.S., or college. I have heard of Don Quixote before but that question would have totally failed me as well. And the fact of the matter is that most of the people who are saying they knew the answer, that is only because they were forced to read the book at sometime in their lives. If you're never assigned to read the book for a class or if no one says you gotta read this book then chances are, unless you love to read, you're never going to pick it up.

You are leaving out the many people who have heard the music to "Man of La Mancha" in either the musical or the movie version. I bet that far exceeds the number of people who have read Cervantes. I haven't read Cervantes and bet few have,  but I saw both the musical and movie.

After I read the rogue comment above I made this comment. I subsequently discovered that theSchnauzers had about the same thought in a posting before this one.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: apskip on December 14, 2010, 04:03:04 PM
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... And I agree with Slayton, why was it done in a car park?...  
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I think I can tell you. The Rose Bowl is a non-public space except during football games or other event days. It was not just any old car park, it was the rose Bowl car park with a float there to work on. That made it special. It looks to me in the schematic below that there would be several secluded spots for the float to have been parked not easily visible to the jogging public

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: FLFan on December 14, 2010, 05:07:50 PM
The finale was pretty boring for me. Tbh, I don't think the tasks were awfully challenging for the teams and they didn't allow the teams to overtake and become really competitive with one another.

The bungee swing was entertaining but it really just put more time between each of the teams - something I definitely don't want to see in a finale. I want to see the teams pushing themselves to beat the other team, to be seen racing neck and neck with one another. The only time that happened was in the cabs to the port. The roadblock was boring and lame, the only somewhat exciting aspect of it was when Nat forgot to put the water in the buds - and yet they still managed to leave in first with plenty of time to find a good cab driver. And I agree with Slayton, why was it done in a car park?  :cmas18  The memory challenge was okay, but I think it would have been more exciting had we been able to look at the board and try and figure some out, instead of just being shown the teams choosing the right ones or making a mistake. It was better than last seasons, but really didn't challenge either Nat and Kat or Brook and Claire. It was nothing compared to TAR12, TAR13 or TAR14's memory tasks.

What did make it exciting were the teams. They really pushed themselves and their partner to the finish line. And we got a happy ending this time around, it was a lot more joyful than our ugly Brandy/Caite session last season. :mas25

I think this finale failed to allow the trailing teams to catch up and move ahead of Nat and Kat. Once the doctors gained the small lead at the port it allowed them to just take off -  and unless they would have make a big mistake, there was no way they were going to lose.


But in saying that:

Congratulations to Nat and Kat for winning the race  :cmas9  :cmas23  :cmas16

I think WE are part of the reason for such out-of-the-way / "dull" places.  Less opportunity for crumbs of clues to fall our way.  Also, with all the helicopters that were used, production was probably limited to where they could film safely.

That said, the team bungee drop was not just a way to put time between the racers.  Each team apparently had one team member that was not comfortable with that task.  Until they started showing the mid-week pre-final promos, I wasn't sure that Nat was even going to be able to finish the race.  Jill looked mightly nervous also.  AND Brook certainly wasn't her bubbly self!!  This was a TEST of truly how much you wanted the million dollars and the support of your partner when you wavered.

As someone else mentioned, being able to pick a good taxi was also probably a portion of the race.  After a multitude of taxi rides, you should have learned to query the taxi-driver before getting in.  J/T just got into the first taxi available.  B/C had less taxi choice, but had the clarity to ask to go to a hotel.  It was clear that even if you were book smart and could answer the first question; or trivia / movie smart and could answer the last question; that the middle question was going to REQUIRE you to get internet / tourist info / other assistance to find the proper answer.

I think the memory challenge was an interesting test.  You could record all the information that you wanted about your travels and STILL fail the memory challenge.

Yes, the lead N/K had after the jump would have allowed them to win unless they made a huge mistake.  But again, there was no expectation Nat would have actually done the bungee jump or that they could have done so well at the memory task as designed.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: theschnauzers on December 14, 2010, 06:28:47 PM
My only concern has been that in the last few seasons, the final leg seems to have become very linear, and it's difficult for teams to really make moves ahead of other teams, except through bad information or bad taxi luck.

You would think TPTB would be trying their darnest to re-create the final leg even-ness of TAR 2, but that doesn't seem to be the case these days.  Otherwise, I have no problems with the tasks in this final leg; the memory task was a knockout (with current season and past season greeters); and the use of the Rose Bowl is an iconic element of L.A. that is known around the world.

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: slayton on December 14, 2010, 06:48:42 PM
I think people are just hard to please. When the finale is exciting, the people complain that another team should have won. When a deserving team won, people will complain about how the finale is not exciting.

And when we have an exciting finale and a deserving winning team in TAR 15, people complain about the fact that there's no memory challenge and that Meghan and Cheyne are not the most well-liked team around...

 :cmaslol Ahhh, people.
The finales where I either liked or had no issue with the winners and also found the episode dramatic and entertaining were TAR3, TAR7, and TAR14.

I personally prefer it when everything is outdoors, leads can change, and teams have to travel by foot like TAR2 and TAR3, and there is no celebrity like Wayne Newton, Darth Vader, or Bob Eubanks involved.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 14, 2010, 07:02:40 PM
 
My only concern has been that in the last few seasons, the final leg seems to have become very linear, and it's difficult for teams to really make moves ahead of other teams, except through bad information or bad taxi luck.

You would think TPTB would be trying their darnest to re-create the final leg even-ness of TAR 2, but that doesn't seem to be the case these days.  Otherwise, I have no problems with the tasks in this final leg; the memory task was a knockout (with current season and past season greeters); and the use of the Rose Bowl is an iconic element of L.A. that is known around the world.

I tend to think that starting off with the bungee swing was a mistake since the order of arrival never changed. This task may have spaced out teams up to 15 minutes apart and the way the leg was structured that margin only grew.
I'm not complaining b/c I think that the most deserving team won, but although I did not like the TAR15 finale it did do a good job at keeping teams close together the whole time. Other finales of the past have done this as well. I wish they would return to structuring the finals just like another leg instead of a more scripted feel.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: ovalorange on December 14, 2010, 07:03:53 PM
The finale was pretty boring for me. Tbh, I don't think the tasks were awfully challenging for the teams and they didn't allow the teams to overtake and become really competitive with one another.

The bungee swing was entertaining but it really just put more time between each of the teams - something I definitely don't want to see in a finale. I want to see the teams pushing themselves to beat the other team, to be seen racing neck and neck with one another. The only time that happened was in the cabs to the port. The roadblock was boring and lame, the only somewhat exciting aspect of it was when Nat forgot to put the water in the buds - and yet they still managed to leave in first with plenty of time to find a good cab driver. And I agree with Slayton, why was it done in a car park?  :cmas18  The memory challenge was okay, but I think it would have been more exciting had we been able to look at the board and try and figure some out, instead of just being shown the teams choosing the right ones or making a mistake. It was better than last seasons, but really didn't challenge either Nat and Kat or Brook and Claire. It was nothing compared to TAR12, TAR13 or TAR14's memory tasks.

What did make it exciting were the teams. They really pushed themselves and their partner to the finish line. And we got a happy ending this time around, it was a lot more joyful than our ugly Brandy/Caite session last season. :mas25

I think this finale failed to allow the trailing teams to catch up and move ahead of Nat and Kat. Once the doctors gained the small lead at the port it allowed them to just take off -  and unless they would have make a big mistake, there was no way they were going to lose.


But in saying that:

Congratulations to Nat and Kat for winning the race  :cmas9  :cmas23  :cmas16

I think WE are part of the reason for such out-of-the-way / "dull" places.  Less opportunity for crumbs of clues to fall our way.  Also, with all the helicopters that were used, production was probably limited to where they could film safely.

That said, the team bungee drop was not just a way to put time between the racers.  Each team apparently had one team member that was not comfortable with that task.  Until they started showing the mid-week pre-final promos, I wasn't sure that Nat was even going to be able to finish the race.  Jill looked mightly nervous also.  AND Brook certainly wasn't her bubbly self!!  This was a TEST of truly how much you wanted the million dollars and the support of your partner when you wavered.

As someone else mentioned, being able to pick a good taxi was also probably a portion of the race.  After a multitude of taxi rides, you should have learned to query the taxi-driver before getting in.  J/T just got into the first taxi available.  B/C had less taxi choice, but had the clarity to ask to go to a hotel.  It was clear that even if you were book smart and could answer the first question; or trivia / movie smart and could answer the last question; that the middle question was going to REQUIRE you to get internet / tourist info / other assistance to find the proper answer.

I think the memory challenge was an interesting test.  You could record all the information that you wanted about your travels and STILL fail the memory challenge.

Yes, the lead N/K had after the jump would have allowed them to win unless they made a huge mistake.  But again, there was no expectation Nat would have actually done the bungee jump or that they could have done so well at the memory task as designed.

You have some fair points there.  :cmas16 I just would have prefered the teams being close or even neck and neck with each other until the finish line. If that would have occurred, I think I would have liked the finale a lot more. Oh well, you can't have everything you wish for.  :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Dånooky on December 14, 2010, 09:12:19 PM
I think this finale lacked a challenge on skill. The only task that depended heavily on the racers was the memory challenge (bungee jumping was a passive task and RB was just following directions). I would have liked to see tasks such as the S15 "grab the flower" or S16 "move through cyberspace" which required lots of skill and teamwork.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Rogue on December 14, 2010, 09:55:47 PM
I think people are taking this book issue too far. I have never had to read about Don Quixote in elementary school, H.S., or college. I have heard of Don Quixote before but that question would have totally failed me as well. And the fact of the matter is that most of the people who are saying they knew the answer, that is only because they were forced to read the book at sometime in their lives. If you're never assigned to read the book for a class or if no one says you gotta read this book then chances are, unless you love to read, you're never going to pick it up.

You are leaving out the many people who have heard the music to "Man of La Mancha" in either the musical or the movie version. I bet that far exceeds the number of people who have read Cervantes. I haven't read Cervantes and bet few have,  but I saw both the musical and movie.

After I read the rogue comment above I made this comment. I subsequently discovered that theSchnauzers had about the same thought in a posting before this one.

I've never heard of "Man of La Mancha" either. The movie came out in 72 and I probably wasn't even thought of at that time. Since Nat and I are relatively close in age, this might be a movie she missed as well. I doubt Kat would have seen it also. So that leaves the play. I've never been to New York and the only plays I've ever seen have been school productions (Don Quixote was not one of them). I can appreciate the arts but my education, from elementary school through college, has not really had a focus on the arts. I will say I've heard The Impossible Dream before but I never knew where the song came from. This could be the same for both Nat and Kat.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 14, 2010, 11:57:21 PM
Quote from: FLFan
B/C had less taxi choice, but had the clarity to ask to go to a hotel
There were at least 7 taxis lined up, so maybe the producers did want to see some cab-juggling. And B/C got a fair shake, all things considered: the driver to them to the Courtyard Marriott (photo source (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexispics/3117642236/)), the closest big hotel to the Rose Bowl. And Coldwater Canyon, while not the shortest route (how did he know? GPS? Experience? It's not an intuitive choice), did provide less traffic than Sunset Blvd.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Belle Book on December 15, 2010, 10:05:29 AM
I think people are taking this book issue too far. I have never had to read about Don Quixote in elementary school, H.S., or college. I have heard of Don Quixote before but that question would have totally failed me as well. And the fact of the matter is that most of the people who are saying they knew the answer, that is only because they were forced to read the book at sometime in their lives. If you're never assigned to read the book for a class or if no one says you gotta read this book then chances are, unless you love to read, you're never going to pick it up.

You are leaving out the many people who have heard the music to "Man of La Mancha" in either the musical or the movie version. I bet that far exceeds the number of people who have read Cervantes. I haven't read Cervantes and bet few have,  but I saw both the musical and movie.

After I read the rogue comment above I made this comment. I subsequently discovered that theSchnauzers had about the same thought in a posting before this one.

I've never heard of "Man of La Mancha" either. The movie came out in 72 and I probably wasn't even thought of at that time. Since Nat and I are relatively close in age, this might be a movie she missed as well. I doubt Kat would have seen it also. So that leaves the play. I've never been to New York and the only plays I've ever seen have been school productions (Don Quixote was not one of them). I can appreciate the arts but my education, from elementary school through college, has not really had a focus on the arts. I will say I've heard The Impossible Dream before but I never knew where the song came from. This could be the same for both Nat and Kat.

And of course, Nat & Kat went to medical school.  This means that when they went to college for the regular four-year education, they probably chose to go into medicine and may have been Pre-Med majors.  I majored in English and minored in Spanish, so I would've probably read Don Quixote.  I doubt Nat & Kat had any classes in high school or college that would've exposed them to it.  And it's very possible that they were too focused on medical studies to miss Man of La Mancha, and I'm not sure they were interested in musicals or plays anyway.  I've seen several Broadway shows, including Man of La Mancha, so maybe I just had a different educational background.  I'm also sure they'd know stuff about medicine that I wouldn't.   :cmas22

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Dånooky on December 15, 2010, 06:47:19 PM
Probably they knew it but were to stressed and chose to confirm it with Google anyways. I wouldn't really trust my memory if one million dollars were on the line. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 15, 2010, 06:59:56 PM
Probably they knew it but were to stressed and chose to confirm it with Google anyways. I wouldn't really trust my memory if one million dollars were on the line. :lol:

Whether they knew it or not, they definitely had to confirm it with Google. Personally, in that situation, I would have never trusted my own judgment.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: connayyy on December 15, 2010, 08:07:57 PM
Probably they knew it but were to stressed and chose to confirm it with Google anyways. I wouldn't really trust my memory if one million dollars were on the line. :lol:

Whether they knew it or not, they definitely had to confirm it with Google. Personally, in that situation, I would have never trusted my own judgment.

I completely agreed with this...I knew the answer too but if a million dollars were on the line I would definitely confirm it. Thomas mentioned in an interview that Spanish was his second major and so he did know the answer, but since he'd never head of a "Don Quixote Studios" before, he wasn't sure and wanted to check. Nat and Kat also said in interviews that the whole leg was so stressful and they'd had such a tiring three weeks that they just didn't think of the answer.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Slowhatch on December 15, 2010, 09:59:03 PM
The gap between the teams was larger than I had guessed. From the RNO interview (http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=4&article=article12130.art&page=1):
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RNO: Do you know how far behind you Brook & Claire finished the race?

Kat: It’s hard to tell. I think about half an hour or so.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 15, 2010, 10:45:06 PM
The gap between the teams was larger than I had guessed. From the RNO interview (http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=4&article=article12130.art&page=1):
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RNO: Do you know how far behind you Brook & Claire finished the race?

Kat: It’s hard to tell. I think about half an hour or so.

But that 30 minute time frame fits the schedule......they left the gantry cranes 30 minutes behind Nat/Kat then took the same amount of time to finish from there.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Belle Book on December 16, 2010, 10:01:01 AM
The gap between the teams was larger than I had guessed. From the RNO interview (http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=4&article=article12130.art&page=1):
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RNO: Do you know how far behind you Brook & Claire finished the race?

Kat: It’s hard to tell. I think about half an hour or so.

But that 30 minute time frame fits the schedule......they left the gantry cranes 30 minutes behind Nat/Kat then took the same amount of time to finish from there.

Yeah, I thought the time difference between Nat & Kat and Brook & Claire was 15 minutes to half an hour.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: maf on December 16, 2010, 10:53:52 AM
But that 30 minute time frame fits the schedule......they left the gantry cranes 30 minutes behind Nat/Kat then took the same amount of time to finish from there.

How do we know they left the crane 30 minutes behind Nat&Kat?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Rogue on December 16, 2010, 05:50:27 PM
But that 30 minute time frame fits the schedule......they left the gantry cranes 30 minutes behind Nat/Kat then took the same amount of time to finish from there.

How do we know they left the crane 30 minutes behind Nat&Kat?

We don't but Brook said they had a safety issue with their harness at the pier that put them behind. I'd guess maybe 15-20 minutes but I don't know. They were already third and had to wait for two teams to get to the raft before they went. But even with the harness putting them even more behind, it was just a testament as to how slow Thomas was on the float task.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: fairwind on December 17, 2010, 09:46:59 AM
But that 30 minute time frame fits the schedule......they left the gantry cranes 30 minutes behind Nat/Kat then took the same amount of time to finish from there.

How do we know they left the crane 30 minutes behind Nat&Kat?

We don't but Brook said they had a safety issue with their harness at the pier that put them behind. I'd guess maybe 15-20 minutes but I don't know. They were already third and had to wait for two teams to get to the raft before they went. But even with the harness putting them even more behind, it was just a testament as to how slow Thomas was on the float task.

That's right. They waste a lot of time in waiting for the task....
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Belle Book on December 17, 2010, 10:04:20 AM
But that 30 minute time frame fits the schedule......they left the gantry cranes 30 minutes behind Nat/Kat then took the same amount of time to finish from there.

How do we know they left the crane 30 minutes behind Nat&Kat?

We don't but Brook said they had a safety issue with their harness at the pier that put them behind. I'd guess maybe 15-20 minutes but I don't know. They were already third and had to wait for two teams to get to the raft before they went. But even with the harness putting them even more behind, it was just a testament as to how slow Thomas was on the float task.

Speaking of Thomas, I think he was even slower than it seemed.  Last night, I was watching the scenes where Nat & Kat were checking the taxis, then getting in one and calling someone who had Internet.  Although these scenes were spliced in with those of Jill & Thomas finishing the task and getting into the taxi from hell, I saw Nat asking for advice -- and there was a police car in the background in most of the shots.  I think Nat had enough time to start getting help before she & Kat drove off to Quixote Studios -- and possibly before Thomas finished the Roadblock.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DrRox on December 17, 2010, 11:13:52 AM
I was listening to interviews of the teams, earlier this week. Both girl teams I remember said the bungee jump was timed to occure at 15 minute intervals.....so that 30 minutes from Nat/Kat to Brooke/Claire....it also matches up with Chateau's time stamps......from when Nat/Kat were landing at Rose Bowl and Brooke/Claire were arriving at the heliport in San Pedro...
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Caelestor on December 17, 2010, 01:34:52 PM
My only major issue with the finale is really the bungee task. That requires no skill and it kills time.

The float was an okay task. I also thought the memory task would be difficult if there were only 12 faces on at one time, and then the screens changed every 15 seconds or so.

OTOH, this was very satisfying to watch.
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 17, 2010, 02:22:55 PM
You  will not believe the route that Nat & Kat's taxi took to get from Don Quixote Studios to Greystone Mansion.    :cmas18

It's a wonder that they were able to retain their lead over Brooke & Claire.  That taxi definitely did not have GPS!  He used GTS (Get There Slow) !

This is a route that is designed to hit traffic!

This shot is from one of the insider videos and they have completed the memory challenge and are on the way to the finish mat. It was taken on the Santa Monica Freeway one mile west of the 110 freeway.  That means they went through downtown LA! :cmas30: from Glendale. 


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Post by: Prophet on December 17, 2010, 02:26:01 PM
So, Chateau, the doctors really were stuck in traffic while Brooke and Claire were doing the memory task...it wasn't just editing?
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 17, 2010, 02:33:01 PM
Matching other shots

1)  Stadium Way exit from Pasadena Freeway
2)  La Cienega exit from Santa Monica Freeway
3)  north bound on La Cienega at Wilshire
4)  southwest corner of Beverley Center (going east)  :cmas30:
5)  northbound on San Vicenta at the northwest corner of the Beverley Center
6)  corner of Sunset Blvd and San Vicente
7)  corner of Sunset and Cory (Jaguar Dealer)

The whole route is this: 


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Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 17, 2010, 02:41:11 PM
This was the preview shot that was driving me crazy because I could not match it prior to the show.  :cmas30:

I was searching along roads on  the other side of the Santa Monica Mountains where Brooke & Claire went.


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Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 17, 2010, 03:32:25 PM
Comparison of the two teams' routes:

Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Prophet on December 17, 2010, 03:38:00 PM
Remember Slowhatch's find on taxi driver regs?

Yep.
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An applicant shall have the ability to communicate in English, written and spoken, as
measured by standards and procedures established by the Department.
It's section 610 here (http://www.ladot.lacity.org/pdf/PDF21.pdf). Sections 611 and 612 are also good for a laugh.  :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: Chateau d If on December 17, 2010, 03:42:57 PM
I think the taxi drivers were hand picked by production  :cmas23

BTW the taxi driver that I had on that day to go from Pasadena to LAX spoke perfect English.  I guess he did not make the cut.   :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
Post by: DaNutzki on December 23, 2010, 01:52:06 AM
I think the taxi drivers were hand picked by production  :cmas23

BTW the taxi driver that I had on that day to go from Pasadena to LAX spoke perfect English.  I guess he did not make the cut.   :cmaslol

That would've been a scripted thing if those taxis are hand picked.  LOL!   :cmaslol  That taxi wise strategy they used were the lessons that they went to Ghana where they got bad taxi drivers out there on which is their next route location.