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Archive => RFF Archived Boards => The Amazing Race 17 Spoilers & Speculation => Topic started by: apskip on September 03, 2010, 04:55:30 PM
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I decided to do a comprehensive overview of the AR17. Thanks I believe to Mrs. Shrek and others, we already know a lot about the actual flights that AR17 teams took on the dates we think were correct. I have gone to a favorite airline database that shall not be named for actual flight information, but that now only gives single point-to-point flights, so any multiple flights have to be assembled correctly. The dates of flight will obviously affect actual departure and arrival times (as opposed to schedules which may stay about the same) as well as indicating which dates cannot be used due to flights not valid for those days of the week.
A key unknown is where World Race Productions placed the one or two extended pit stops for AR17. I have assumed one will be in Sweden because teams need time to recover from the long flights from Accra to Frankfurt to Stockholm to Kiruna which total 4700 miles. If there is a second one, I have no idea where it will be.
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leg 1 dep. 5/26 BOS LHR
AA108 1940 0700+1
VS12 2002 0725+1
leg 2 dep. 5/28 LHR ACC
VS657 2254 0455+1
leg 3 5/30 local transport in Ghana
leg 4 dep. 5/31 ACC FRA
NOTE that a 6/1 departure does not work, so I have backed this up to 5/31
LH567 2203 0603+1
6/1 FRA ARN
SK2636 1216 1416
6/1 ARN KRN
HK3114 2020 2137
leg 5 KRN ARN
Note: I expect this to be on 6/3, not one day later
6/3 SK1307 1435
leg 6 6/3 local transportation around greater Stockholm area
followed by extended pit stop??
leg 7 ARN LED 6/5
SK732 1311 1632
leg 8 6/6 LED Moscow SVO or DME there are almost hourly flights, so pick one arriving well before the below ongoing flights
SU569 SVO DXB 2018 0103+1 or
EK134 DME DXB 1745 2244 or
6/7 EK132 0038 0528
6/7 EK866 DXB MCT 0333 0447 or for connection for line above EK862 DME DXB 0830 0930
leg 9 6/9 MCT BOM 9W539 0035 0435
6/9 BOM DAC 9W276 0930 1303
leg 10 6/11 DAC HKG KA111 0215 0816
leg 11 6/13 HKG ICN almost hourly flights from 8am on, so take your pick
leg 12 ICN LAX most probable (earliest) departure is KE17 1524 1024
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Really? So many legs in Sweden. I thought there were only two legs there. And two in South Korea, for that matter.
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it isn't legs Paron...it is flights and transits.
Thanks apskip! Thanks to spoiler friends we doknow some of the actual flights used, be sure to refer to the post 1 Timeline summary.
We have no actual evidence for a leg in the Stockholm area, (just transits). We do believe there is at least one leg in Kiruna Sweden (Artic Circle).
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Legs 4 and 5 are the only Swedish legs, Paron. I cannot support the possibility of two legs in South Korea because there are 12 legs with only one in South Korea.
KRN is airport code for Kiruna so leg 4 (and maybe also leg 5) is the above-Arctic Circle leg.
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I have additional flight information for leg 2 Heathrow to Accra to provide non nonstop flight combinations that could result in earlier arrival if departure was much earlier in the day:
LHR BRU SN2092 0820 1030
BRU ACC SN259 1140 1620
LHR FRA LH4743 0625 0855
LHR ACC LH 566 1025 1450
LHR AMS KL1002 0955 1225
AMS ACC KL859 1405 1845
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Leg 4 Actual Flight Information is Now Available
The flight from Accra to Frankfurt was indeed LH567 2203 0603+1
The flights 6/1 from Frankfurt are not direct to Kiruna. A change in Stockholm's Arlanda Airport is mandatory. Times for the two flights mentioned in the telecast are reasonable:
LH3000 FRA ARN 0747 0945 or
LH3002 FRA ARN 0955 1155
Only Nat/kat, Brook/Claire, Michael/Kevin and Gary/Mallory made LH3000 due to either limited actual seats or to WRP/CBS imposed restrictions to
spread out teams a little.
The final flights from Stockholm (ARN) to Kiruna (KRN) were:
first 4 teams could get either DK3761 1030 1155 or SK1042 1107 1231
The other 5 teams would be left with:
SK1044 1325 1440. That gave the first group of teams either a 2 .75 or 2.15 hour head start.
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I have looked at the question of whether Muscat, Oman is a logical connecting point for flights from St. Petersburg to Dhaka. It is NOT. Here's why:
1. the only single connection from LED to DAC is via Bangkok (BKK).
2. the least total time double connections from LED to DAC are via:
Moscow (DME) and Dubai (DXB)
Dubai (DXB) and Doha (DOH)
Moscow (DME) and Bangkok (BKK)
Moscow (SVO) and Dubai (DXB)
Helsinki (HEL) and Delhi (DEL)
Rostov (ROS) and Dubai (DXB)
Moscow (SVO) and Delhi (DEL)
Moscow (DME) and Dubai (DXB)
Kiev (KBP) and Dubai (DXB)
3. all connections from LED to MCT are double except one through Doha and from Muscat to Dhaka there is one nonstop to Dhaka. That means this combination is possible:
FV145 1400 1530 LED DME
EK134 1655 0019+1 DME DXB
KU677 0130+1 0230+1 DXB MCT
BG022 0315+1 1130+1 MCT DAC
However, there is no point in going through Muscat. it would be simpler to just do this:
EK582 0145+1 0800+1 DXB DAC
Through Moscow, the best you could do is to connect onto that same flight EK582
My conclusion is that it is illogical to use Muscat as just a connection point from St. Petersburg to Dhaka. If teams were spotted in the Muscat airport, it would be because there was a leg in Oman.
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I have looked at the question of whether Muscat, Oman is a logical connecting point for flights from St. Petersburg to Dhaka. It is NOT. Here's why:
1. the only single connection from LED to DAC is via Bangkok (BKK).
2. the least total time double connections from LED to DAC are via:
Moscow (DME) and Dubai (DXB)
Dubai (DXB) and Doha (DOH)
Moscow (DME) and Bangkok (BKK)
Moscow (SVO) and Dubai (DXB)
Helsinki (HEL) and Delhi (DEL)
Rostov (ROS) and Dubai (DXB)
Moscow (SVO) and Delhi (DEL)
Moscow (DME) and Dubai (DXB)
Kiev (KBP) and Dubai (DXB)
3. all connections from LED to MCT are double except one through Doha and from Muscat to Dhaka there is one nonstop to Dhaka. That means this combination is possible:
FV145 1400 1530 LED DME
EK134 1655 1219 DME DXB
KU677 0130+1 0230+1 DXB MCT
BG022 0315+1 1130+1 MCT DAC
However, there is no point in going through Muscat. it would be simpler to just do this:
EK582 0145+1 0800+1 DXB DAC
Through Moscow, the best you could do is to connect onto that same flight EK582
My conclusion is that it is illogical to use Muscat as just a connection point from St. Petersburg to Dhaka. If teams were spotted in the Muscat airport, it would be because there was a leg in Oman.
Nice Work!
I think then there may be only 1 Bangladesh leg.
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Is it certain that teams left Oman the night on the 8th? It could very well be the 9th.
I agree that there has to be a leg in Oman.
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I want to go back to leg 4 and the connection in Frankfurt and how that apparently allowed some teams to get ahead at least 2 hours and others to fall behind. The official connect times (quite absurd according to my experience for international to international) for FRA are:
Domestic to Domestic - 45 minutes
Domestic to International - 45 minutes
International to Domestic - 45 minutes
International to International - 45 minutes
That means that all travel agents, particularly Lufthansa ticketing agents in the Accra airport, would have been allowed to book the connection between LH567 (scheduled arrival 630am June 1) and SK3000 (scheduled departure 0735) of 65 minutes. that is 20 minutes more than the minimum. Now, I personally would never book a flight through Frankfurt assuming a 65 minute connect time due to my personal experience there of slow connection, but if it is a legal connection then the Amazing Race teams certainly should have tried to, and been allowed to.
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I would be afraid to try that as well in Frankfurt!! Thanks!
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I always assumed that at least Nat & Kat (and who else booked via the net) would have kept their original tickets (with the slow connection in Frankfurt) and then just bought extra tickets for the fast connection. That way they would have been safe.
I would also assume that Gary & Mallory and Kevin & Michael did not have double tickets since they seemed to have a Lufthansa agent change their tickets.
But I do not know if the race rules allows that kind of behavior. But I remember team Guido stating that in Season 11 they were allowed to hold tickets on multiple connections.
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I always assumed that at least Nat & Kat (and who else booked via the net) would have kept their original tickets (with the slow connection in Frankfurt) and then just bought extra tickets for the fast connection. That way they would have been safe.
I would also assume that Gary & Mallory and Kevin & Michael did not have double tickets since they seemed to have a Lufthansa agent change their tickets.
But I do not know if the race rules allows that kind of behavior. But I remember team Guido stating that in Season 11 they were allowed to hold tickets on multiple connections.
Here is the exact quote from Reality TV World
Somewhere around The Amazing Race 4 or 5, they changed the rules where you could buy tickets -- keep buying fully-refundable tickets -- and you could buy as many tickets as you wanted going from one place to another. So as a result, say when we were in Johannasburg, you're just buying and buying and buying and buying tickets trying to get to Dar Es Salaam... we spent 28 hours in the Johannasburg airport before we finally got out. Believe it or not, I had more than $50,000 worth of airplane tickets in my backpack. We had maxed out two people's Visa cards just buying tickets trying to get out of there.
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I had in post #1 above in this thread the following:
leg 5 KRN ARN
Note: I expect this to be on 6/3, not one day later
6/3 SK1307 1435
leg 6 6/3 local transportation around greater Stockholm area
followed by extended pit stop??
leg 7 ARN LED 6/5
SK732 1311 1632
leg 8 6/6 LED Moscow SVO or DME there are almost hourly flights, so pick one arriving well before the below ongoing flights
SU569 SVO DXB 2018 0103+1 or
EK134 DME DXB 1745 2244 or
6/7 EK132 0038 0528
6/7 EK866 DXB MCT 0333 0447 or for connection for line above EK862 DME DXB 0830 0930
Based on what we now know, there are several problems with that. Teams start from Narvik and are not likely to go back through Narvik. The are likely to go through Oslo and then get a connecting flight through Stockholm's Arlanda airport to St. Petersburg. That gives us roughly the following:
leg 5 6/3 Harstad-Narvik airport (EVE) to Oslo OSL), choice of
0641 0824 SK4079
0649 0828 DY233
1059 1235 SK1103
1106 1240 DY235
1505 1638 DY227
1704 1837 DY119
1754 1928 SK4095
1853 2028 DY237
OSL ARN 6/3 potential same-day connecting flights are:
0911 1009 SK484
1102 1154 SK864
Note: these below will not connect and there are others later which won't either
1350 1435 DY808
1407 1504 SK874
1512 1602 SK496
1602 1654 SK882
1657 1745 DY816
1730 1821 SK890
1824 1915 SK1484
1830 1915 DY3779
ARN LED 6/3
SK732 1310 1635
most of leg 5 6/3 and 6/4 will be around St. Petersburg and either leg 5 or 6 should have an extended pit stop of perhaps 36 hours. All teams should make the the flight connections as long as they are on one of the first two flights. from Harstad-Narvik airport to Oslo.
leg 6 around St. Petersburg on 6/5 or 6/6
leg 7 6/7 St. Petersburg to Muscat:
LED SVO Aeroflot or Rossiya hourly connecting to SU519 SVO DXB 2018 0103+1 connecting to EK866 DXB MCT 0253+1 0348+1 or
LED DME S7 Airlines or Rossiya hourly connecting to EK134 DME DXB 1745 2244 connecting to EK866 DXB MCT 0253+1 0348+1 or
LED DME S7 Airlines or Rossiya hourly connecting to EK132 DME DXB 0038+1 0528+1 connecting to 6/8 EK862 DXB MCT 0909+1 1007+1
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Apskip, there is a Twitvid that shows teams on a train in sleeper cars. So I 'm guessing they leave Narvik by rail.
Here is a table of trains out of Narvik, going to Stockholm. There is only one per day. It leaves at 2:50 pm and it takes 18 hours and 25 minutes. It arrives in Stockholm at 9:15 am.
We have that teams were spoiled to have been on a flight that left ARN at 10:14 am on June 5th. I'm guessing that they were unable to make it to ARN and catch a flight in 59 minutes so my bet is that they ride the train that leaves on June 3rd and spend almost a full day hanging around Stockholm :)
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Apskip, on the Muscat to Dhaka flight, I have a better option than you have given in post one.
They should try to get Swiss flight LX 243 leaving MCT at 11:35 pm on June 8th and arriving at 12:45 am in Dubai on June 9th.
Then they connect to Emirates flight EK 582 leaving DBX at 2:00 am and arriving at 8:40 am at DAC on June 9th.
There is no better way. :snicker:
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Chateau.....
Doesn't that train also stop at the airport, after Stockholm Central?
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Here is a table of trains out of Narvik, going to Stockholm. There is only one per day. It leaves at 2:50 pm and it takes 18 hours and 25 minutes. It arrives in Stockholm at 9:15 am.
Actually there is a second option. A train which leaves at 09.20. You have to change trains in Boden and Uppsala but would arrive at Arlanda at 05:57. This looks feasible.
@DrRox, some trains stop at Arlanda, which is north och Stockholm. But these trains to not. Hence the train switch in Uppsala.
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Thanks Rox! Yes it does have a way to the airport. Here it is. (you have to get off before Stockholm central in Uppsula ...)
I still can't see them booking in less than one hour. Maybe the flight was arranged in advance.
Maf, I found your train from Narvik to Boden but I can't see any earlier trains from Boden to Stockholm. :duno:
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Well I would assume that they could/would book before boarding the train with internet connection.....or Production has seats blocked....but that does give them about 1:15 min to make flight.
For some reason, I thought that Arlanda was south of Stockholm, not north........duh?
I just wonder if that flight was 14 minutes late taking off because they waited for such a large party...about 30 people at least
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Maf, I found your train from Narvik to Boden but I can't see any earlier trains from Boden to Stockholm. :duno:
Well, I must admit that I am looking at a Thursday in July next year (there are no historical timetables as far as I know at sj.se). And then there is a night train from Boden (#91) leaving at 17:12 with arrival in Uppsala at 05:28.
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It looks like there is a complication in the train schedules that make a difference of a few minutes when a passenger get arrive at Arlanda.
If teams left Narvik on Thursday June 3rd then they can get to Arlanda at 9:09 am after changing trains in Gavle.
If teams left Narvik on Friday the 4th then they can change trains in Uppsula and get to Arlanda at 9:01 am (different train from Thursday).
If it was the June 3rd start then they had to wait a day for their flight. That's hard to swallow since there could have been something else to take on June 4th to St. Petersburg. So I would suspect that we have an extra day in Narvik before the leg starts. And somehow the teams manage to make their flights on Friday with only a hour at the airport. Rox's idea of booking on the train seems to help in that regard!
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It looks like there is a complication in the train schedules that make a difference of a few minutes when a passenger get arrive at Arlanda.
Yes, it is complicated. And I must admit that when I look at historical times via the DB site I get the same results as you guys do. It is only when I look at next years schedule and guess that the same applied last year I find good connections. That guess may very well not be valid. :groan:
But I assume we might find out later tonight. Or we might not, sometimes they are very light on travel details in the show.
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Probably a stupid question, maf. Does your alternative route have sleeper cars like in the video?
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Apskip, there is a Twitvid that shows teams on a train in sleeper cars. So I 'm guessing they leave Narvik by rail.
Here is a table of trains out of Narvik, going to Stockholm. There is only one per day. It leaves at 2:50 pm and it takes 18 hours and 25 minutes. It arrives in Stockholm at 9:15 am.
We have that teams were spoiled to have been on a flight that left ARN at 10:14 am on June 5th. I'm guessing that they were unable to make it to ARN and catch a flight in 59 minutes so my bet is that they ride the train that leaves on June 3rd and spend almost a full day hanging around Stockholm :)
Not so, Chateau. Nobody seems to pay much attention to my transportation schedule information, which is a pity. The train if you get off at Uppsala and take a local train to Arlanda airport arrives there as follows:
Re: TAR 17 Speculation
« Reply #720 on: October 11, 2010, 04:14:48 PM »
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Here are timetables in effect August 22 to December 11 for trains from Kiruna to Narvik:
304 km Kiruna C 7.09 9.31 10.31 14.04(bus)
473 km Narvik 10.01 12.40 13.25 16.51(bus)
I could find nothing for earlier than August, but it is reasonable to assume schedules would be comparable or more frequent.
The reverse direction train schedules for the same date range from Narvik to KIruna are:
0 km Narvik 10.26 14.50
169 km Kiruna C 13.27 17.26
473 km Lulea in 17.24 21.04
473 km Lulea out 19.57
Uppsala in 8.31
Uppsala out 8.53
Arlanda Airport 9.01
This indicates it takes 22.5 hours to do this route by train.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2010, 07:22:14 AM by apskip »
Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Note that teams must get the 1026am train out of Narvik. With the 250pm train, they would have a one day delay somewhere.
That leaves ample time to make a 1310 flight ARN to LED.
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Probably a stupid question, maf. Does your alternative route have sleeper cars like in the video?
It does.
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Would these help you train gurus ID this train? ???
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%206%20St%20Petersburg/TAR17ep6train0054-Copy.jpg)1(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%206%20St%20Petersburg/TAR17ep6train0080-Copy.jpg)2(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%206%20St%20Petersburg/TAR17ep6train0090-Copy.jpg)3(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%206%20St%20Petersburg/TAR17ep6train0093-Copy.jpg)4(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%206%20St%20Petersburg/TAR17ep6train0098-Copy.jpg)5(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%206%20St%20Petersburg/TAR17ep6train0124-Copy.jpg)6
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Thanks Peach.
A little side tidbit about that SAS flight....SK732.......Sunday through Friday, it is a 1310 departure. Only on Saturdays is it a 1000 departure.
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Not so, Chateau. Nobody seems to pay much attention to my transportation schedule information, which is a pity. The train if you get off at Uppsala and take a local train to Arlanda airport arrives there as follows:
Thanks Apskip, but I had already fixed it. You should read the whole thread!
Now why are you talking about a 1310 flight from ARN to LED? That is for the wrong day of travel. We have from spoilers that the date was June 5th. And on June 5th there is no 1310 flight from ARN to LED.
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Apskip, on the Muscat to Dhaka flight, I have a better option than you have given in post one.
They should try to get Swiss flight LX 243 leaving MCT at 11:35 pm on June 8th and arriving at 12:45 am in Dubai on June 9th.
Then they connect to Emirates flight EK 582 leaving DBX at 2:00 am and arriving at 8:40 am at DAC on June 9th.
There is no better way. :snicker:
Chateau,
It all depends on where you draw the line for earliest possible departure. I assumed a 12 hour pit stop that ends at perhaps 10am and allows teams to catch any flights after midnight starting June 9. If you go back from that, how far back should you go? I would argue that your departure time makes little sense in terms of fitting a one hour earlier pit stop release, which may of may not be feasible.
If you want to go back to a 6pm departure (18 hour pit stop starting around 10pm and ending 4pm), here is what is possible through Bahrain starting June 8 and arriving June 9:
GF565 1819 1900 MCT BAH
GF250 2027 0445?+1 BAH DAC
As you and I both know, there are not a lot of efficient options available.
Not so, Chateau. Nobody seems to pay much attention to my transportation schedule information, which is a pity. The train if you get off at Uppsala and take a local train to Arlanda airport arrives there as follows:
Thanks Apskip, but I had already fixed it. You should read the whole thread!
Now why are you talking about a 1310 flight from ARN to LED? That is for the wrong day of travel. We have from spoilers that the date was June 5th. And on June 5th there is no 1310 flight from ARN to LED.
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If you want to go back to a 6pm departure (18 hour pit stop starting around 10pm and ending 4pm), here is what is possible through Bahrain starting June 8 and arriving June 9:
GF565 1819 1900 MCT BAH
GF250 2027 0445?+1 BAH DAC
Quite true! So that may be the flight taken by teams who are ahead of Steph and Chad.
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Thanks Peach.
A little side tidbit about that SAS flight....SK732.......Sunday through Friday, it is a 1310 departure. Only on Saturdays is it a 1000 departure.
Cool!!
There is no doubt about this flight... Straight from the RELIABLE person on the flight:
ME: you were flying on June 5 out of Stockholm? Was that SK 732 arr 133PM? .
SOURCE: June 6 at 8:16am
Yes, that was the flight.
Here is the info.
Departure Status Details
Airport: (ARN) Arlanda Airport
City: Stockholm, SE
Scheduled: 10:00 AM - Sat Jun 05, 2010
Actual: 10:14 AM - Sat Jun 05, 2010
Departed gate 14 min later than scheduled
Terminal: 5
Local Time: 10:07 PM - Sun Oct 31, 2010
Arrival Information Arrival Status Details
Airport: (LED) Pulkovo Airport
City: Saint Petersburg, RU
Scheduled: 1:25 PM - Sat Jun 05, 2010
Actual: 1:33 PM - Sat Jun 05, 2010
Arrived at gate 8 min later than scheduled
Terminal: 2
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Just below are my original assumptions. The only way you get 6/5 departure from Stockholm is to have an extended pit stop back in Accra so that teams depart Accra evening of 6/2
leg 4 dep. 5/31 ACC FRA
NOTE that a 6/1 departure does not work, so I have backed this up to 5/31
LH567 2203 0603+1
6/1 FRA ARN
SK2636 1216 1416
6/1 ARN KRN
HK3114 2020 2137
leg 5 KRN ARN
Note: I expect this to be on 6/3, not one day later
6/3 SK1307 1435
OK, so the adjustment would need to be to this:
leg 4 ACC FRA LH567 2215 0640+1
FRA ARN LH3000 0744+1 0939+1 or LH3002 0955+1 1148+1
ARN KRN DY3067 1042+1 1030+1 or SK1042 1105 1239+1 RED FLAG: There was no later flight, the one that connects with the 0935 flight from Frankfurt to Arlanda, on either 6/2 or 6/3. That essentially means that this scenario is impossible.
Somebody smarter than me needs to make all this fit because the only way it does is to depart from Accra on 5/31 and get to Kiruna on 6/1. If that is the case, teams are not going to arrive back in Arlanda Airport on 6/5.
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Just below are my original assumptions. The only way you get 6/5 departure from Stockholm is to have an extended pit stop back in Accra so that teams depart Accra evening of 6/2
We have spoiler photos of teams arriving in Arlanda on 6/1. No doubts.
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Mystery solved! And I think everyone was right to some extent!
We've figured out that teams got off the train at Uppsala to change to taxis, and in the debarkation shots there's a clock showing, vaguely, 6.00am. We also know that teams at Narvik took the 10.26am, and not later, more direct trains, to Uppsala. Hence, I propose:
IC 95 to Boden, 1026-1653
IN 91 to Uppsala, 1725-0602
Which, after a 30min taxi ride, gives teams a couple of hours breathing room at Arlanda before their flight at 10.14am.
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IC 95 to Boden, 1026-1653
IN 91 to Uppsala, 1725-0602
I think this is right.
Most of the footage of the train arriving at the station and teams embarking is not from Narvik. There are a number of facts indicating this:
* The first shot of the train arriving is labeled as 10:26am. But we clearly see a clock on the platform which says 16:55.
* The signs at the platform are in Swedish (Vagnsläge E).
* There are no mountains or fjords in the background
* This station has a small roof on the platform, but the Narvik station does not.
My guess is that this was shot at Boden, and the layout of that station matches what is shown.
PS There is one short shot taken from low when the train arrives which is probably from Narvik. It has a yellow house and mountains in the background.
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Nice call on the Boden connection Maf :jam:
I don't know why DB did not show me the ride when I checked.
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The pit stop release time from St. Petersburg could be something around midnight (12 hours) starting June 8, 6am (18 hours) or noon (24 hours); it doesn't matter. In all cases are a myriad of flights from St. Petersburg's LED to Moscow's DME airport that arrive on or before FY183 1711 1843:
S738
FY191
FY185
UN4
FV195
FV1799
S7 46
FV185
S7 40
The limiting part of the total route is the flight from DME to Doha (DOH)QR867 1952 2336.
The connection from DOH to MCT is QR170 0057+1 0311+1.
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Apskip, I've got you beat by two much better routes through either Munich or Frankfurt:
LED to FRA on FV 245 takes off at 5:15 am and arrives at 6:20 am
FRA to AUH on EY 2 takes off at 11:15 am and arrives at 7:35 pm
AUH to MCT on BA 73 takes off at 8:35 pm and arrives at 9:40 pm
LED to MUC on LH 3251 takes off at 5:50 am and arrives at 6:35 am
MUC to MCT on WY 124 takes off at 1:30 pm and arrives at 10:00 pm
Forget about Moscow ! :lol:
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Chateau,
I saw those connections on Travelocity. I hope they can get them. What I remember was how much trouble they had getting out of St Petersburg in TAR5.....well all but Colin and Christie. I guess it depends on when they get released from the pit stop........in this day of the mysterious pit stop. Here is the screen cap of the departing pit stop mat. The view is to the SSW looking to the dark. I see no direct sunlight, so it is before 0441 on June 7th. I think the pic was taken at the SW corner of the Peter and Paul Fortress, looking past the Winter Palace and Dvortsovy Bridge. Sun would be almost directly behind the camera. What time do you think they would have to leave the pit stop, to make a 0500 flight or 0550 flight?
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%208%20Oman/TAR17ep8caps0093.jpg)
This pic certainly looks like Kat is happy with her flights.....whatever they are. Do you think this is local travel agency like Colin did.....or the airport ticket office like the rest of the teams in TAR5?
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%208%20Oman/TAR17ep8promocaps0523.jpg)
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Actually, this pit start shot was taken here. In front of Peter I (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/157682)on the horse.
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%208%20Oman/TAR17ep8caps0093.jpg)
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/157682.jpg)
So the direction that the camera is looking is to the northeast. Pretty much where the sunrise will be. My guess is about 3 am.
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Here is a night simulation from GE.
The building left of the TAR board is the Academy of Sciences (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/2252565)
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/2252565.jpg)
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%208%20Oman/TAR17ep8caps0093.jpg)
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So they went back to the Pit Start for the previous leg? (They swiveled the sign to point the opposite direction.) Could anyone check the end credits of the St Petersburg legs to figure out our Pit Stop hotel?
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My guess is about 3 am.
I am certainly not going to argue with the Prince of the Protractor...lol Do you think they can leave downtown at 3 am and make a 5 am flight?
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Pulkovo II Airport in St. Petersburg, Russia
The Pulkovo II International Flights Airport is located 13 km away from the city center on he same road to the domestic flights airport.
Getting from Pulkovo II Airport to the city.
Bus route 11 - the bus stop is located in front of the main building of the airport opposite the parking lot and closer to the Arrivals Hall. Note that there is another bus stop closer to the Departures Hall and bus 11 stops there en route to Aviagorodok (or Aviation Town) - which is not what you want. After departing from Aviagorodok the same bus will make a stop near the Arrivals Hall and form there will go to St. Petersburg via Pulkovo highway, the Victory Square and on to Moskovskaya Metro station. Buses run from 6:30am till 12:00pm with 15-20 minutes interval. Current bus fare is 7 rubles (about 25 cents).
Express buses - Express buses stop at the same bus stop near the Arrivals Hall as explained above. Several express bus routes are available:
K-3: Pulkovo II - Moskovskaya Metro - Sadovaya Metro
K-13: Civil Aviation Academy - Pulkovo II - Moskovskaya Metro
K-39: Pulkovo I - Pulkovo II - Ladozhskaya Metro (Ladozhsky Railway Station)
K-213: Aviagorodok - Pulkovo II - Moskovskaya Metro - Sadovaya Metro
Note that routes 3, 13 and 213 run along Moskovsky Prospect and have stops at every metro station located in the area. Current fare is 15 - 25 rubles, most drivers will charge you a flat 15 rubles fee (about 50 cents) for getting to Moskovskaya Metro station.
Taxi - Available round-the-clock and very expensive compared to standard city taxis. Managed by one of the airport-managed daughter companies, airport taxi service offers comfortable Western sedans (Mercedes, Audi, etc.) at Western prices. A ride to the city center may cost up to $50 for a party of two.
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This is some great info you guys have pulled together. It looks like the buses are the cheapest and easiest way but they do not run until 6:30 so that's not going work. Do the express buses run around the clock? Otherwise I am sure they will just take a taxi.
If C/S do sleep in they will probably miss that early flight, however it obviously does not matter because they are all caught up by the HoO.
One other thing I noticed is that Jill and Thomas may be standing directly behind Kat in that pic. The team has blue packs anyway.
Scratch that, their packs are not that dark: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21997.msg570426.html#msg570426
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Good call on the departure times, guys!
So here's the itinerary of the first two teams, confirmed by a shot of the tickets:
FV 277 to Amsterdam, 0801-0908 (scheduled 0800-0900)
KL 449 to Abu Dhabi, 1025-1846 (scheduled 1025-1855)
KL 449 to Muscat, 1918-2019 (scheduled 1950-2055)
Do you guys know why there was a return trip for 27 Jun printed on the tickets as well?
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Nice work, Neobie!
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So it looks like the second batch of teams took a Lufthansa flight:
LH 3221 to Frankfurt, 0553-0650 (scheduled 0600-0650)
LH 618 to Abu Dhabi, 1237-2052 (scheduled 1230-2040)
LH 618 to Muscat, 2122-2225 (scheduled 2130-2235)
Chad/Stephanie are seen on an Etihad flight, which means they connected through Abu Dhabi as well. Assuming they took Etihad out of Europe, there are only two possible itineraries:
AF 2899 to Paris, 0729-0908 (scheduled 0730-0855)
EY 32 to Abu Dhabi, 1135-2025
EY 388 to Muscat, 2130-2235
Any flight to Moscow DME, latest FV 195, 1002-1100 (scheduled 0950-1050)
EY 68 to Abu Dhabi, 1700-2045 (scheduled 1510-2020)
EY 388 to Muscat, 2130-2235
The second itinerary is less likely simply because TPTB usually mandates that teams arrive and leave a country from the same city, for reasons pertaining to customs (in this case, St Petersburg). Maybe we'll get more info from the Insider Clips.
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W O W !!
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Looks to me that they did the same thing, that they did in Bariloche last year.........TPTB paid a travel agency to stay open. All those connections came up on Travelocity last week......there were really just so many to individually name. I think it just depended on seat availability from whichever European hub to either Dubai or Abu Dhabi. Good call on leaving from the same city, Neobie. I think that probably holds especially true with Russia....after the mess with Terrance and Sarah.
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I agree with Dr. Rox, this is incredibly complicated and takes a lot of effort to sort out what really happened. Neobie, I agree with your flights connecting through Amsterdam and Abu Dhabi and the Frankfurt connection for reaching the later Abu Dhabi flight to Muscat (not the Paris one) because the Luthansa flight is really straight through from Frankfurt to Muscat.
However, the third set of flights were probably through Doha:
any of 6 Rossiya or S7 flights from LED to Moscow DME 0700 0655 earliest to 1210 1242 latest
QR869 DME DOH 1451 1837
QR168 DOH MCT 2016 2227 (scheduled 2235)
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Chad/Stephanie were on an Etihad flight, though.
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Apskip, on the Muscat to Dhaka flight, I have a better option than you have given in post one.
They should try to get Swiss flight LX 243 leaving MCT at 11:35 pm on June 8th and arriving at 12:45 am in Dubai on June 9th.
Then they connect to Emirates flight EK 582 leaving DBX at 2:00 am and arriving at 8:40 am at DAC on June 9th.
There is no better way. :snicker:
Chateau, of course if teams were still at the pit stop when this flight took off, it would be of no value to anyone, which is the case because with a 12 hour minimum pit stop there is no way any team could have finished the lengthy drives in Oman and relatively short tasks much before late afternoon.
In fact there would be a better flight nonstop from MCT to DAC if a team was ready to go for a 315am flight, which I project no team will be:
BG022 MCT DAC 0315 1120
Another flight combination which bites the dust for the same reason, except maybe for Nat and Kat, is the one I had originally listed for leg 9:
9W539 MCT BOM 0035 0435
9W276 BOM DAC 0930 1303
The flights I think match the times that most teams will need them are:
WY311 MCT CGP 0905 1505
Z5 036 CGP DAC 1635 1720
or
EK863 MCT DXB 1045 1530
EK584 DXB DAC 1315 1930
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Well I calculate that J/T first arrived at the mat around 7 pm on June 8th. Sunset was at 6:51 pm on June 8th. When Chad and Stephanie arrived shortly there after it was getting dark. Sun goes down quick in those latitudes that time of year. So I am assuming a 12 hour pit stop time to be about 7 am on June 9th. There are some daytime connections to Dhaka, but the next leg appears to be shot all during the day. I wonder if an extended pit stop is the case to make all the teams arrive around morning in Dhaka on June 10.
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Guys, we do have the teams seen looking for flights out of Muscat Airport on the evening of 9 Jun.
Gary/Mallory checked in at around midnight the night of 8 Jun, after a 16h leg beginning with the climb up to the fort at around 8am.
Here's Jill/Thomas' flight:
9W 539 to Mumbai, 0040-0440 (scheduled 0045-0445)
9W 276 to Dhaka, 0903-1228 (scheduled 0820-1200)
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I have totally lost track...but the source said the night of the 8th .... :duno:
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Our translation efforts were mistaken, as I've mentioned in Post #64 on the Timeline Thread. This was the error that caused us to predict one leg in St Petersburg and two in Bangladesh at the beginning of the season, the only mistake we had in the route.
Teams arrived in Oman on the night of 7 Jun (see vidcap below) and raced on the 8th. They checked in between 7pm and midnight, and therefore could only have been at the airport the following evening, trying to leave Oman.
(Can anyone explain the weird return flight in the below vidcap for 27 Jun?)
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Thanks Neobie!! Guess he had his days mixed up...
Maybe roundtrip tickets are cheaper?? :ascared:
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Does Oman require proof of onward travel? And does that ticket read Roberts, Brook Lee Mr? :)
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Here's Jill/Thomas' flight:
9W 539 to Mumbai, 0040-0440 (scheduled 0045-0445)
9W 276 to Dhaka, 0903-1228 (scheduled 0820-1200)
So this flight is actually very early AM on June 10th. It does appear that all the tasks in Dhaka are in the afternoon. So this itinerary makes sense. But it appears that the teams all arrived in Dhaka together.
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Here's Jill/Thomas' flight:
9W 539 to Mumbai, 0040-0440 (scheduled 0045-0445)
9W 276 to Dhaka, 0903-1228 (scheduled 0820-1200)
So this flight is actually very early AM on June 10th. It does appear that al the tasks in Dhaka are in the afternoon. So this itinerary makes sense. But it appears that the teams all arrived in Dhaka together.
That's what it looks like from the commercials. I don't think we have any flight problems on this one.
Does Oman require proof of onward travel? And does that ticket read Roberts, Brook Lee Mr? :)
Yes it does, her name is Brooke Roberts but who on earth is Mr. Lee?
And they are there for twenty days?!?! Is that ticket bogus or something?
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Yes it does, her name is Brooke Roberts but who on earth is Mr. Lee?
And they are there for twenty days?!?! Is that ticket bogus or something?
I was going to reply to your questions, till I realized they were rhetorical.
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Yes it does, her name is Brooke Roberts but who on earth is Mr. Lee?
And they are there for twenty days?!?! Is that ticket bogus or something?
I was going to reply to your questions, till I realized they were rhetorical.
Are there answers?
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I was going to reply to your questions, till I realized they were rhetorical.
You wish. :lol:
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I was going to reply to your questions, till I realized they were rhetorical.
You wish. :lol:
Well he answered his own question in his post.....so he doesnt need me to answer it.
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Well I calculate that J/T first arrived at the mat around 7 pm on June 8th. Sunset was at 6:51 pm on June 8th. When Chad and Stephanie arrived shortly there after it was getting dark. Sun goes down quick in those latitudes that time of year.
I think you are right. The clock in J/T's car showed 18:43 when he got out to pay for the cab at the palace. So I would guess it took them a couple of minutes to find the mat and that C/S then checked in around 19:00.
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Excellent find, maf!!!
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Flights from Muscat to Dhaka:
Thomas/Jill
QR 165 to Doha, 1837-1858 (scheduled 1840-1900)
QR 344 to Dhaka, 2116-0519 (scheduled 2100-0515)
Nick/Vicki
LX 243 to Dubai, 2338-0049 (scheduled 2335-0045)
EK 582 to Dhaka, 0219-0847 (scheduled 0200-0840)
Nat/Kat
FZ 46 to Dubai, 1810-1910
9W 543 to Mumbai, 2140-0215 (scheduled 2140-0225)
9W 276 to Dhaka, 0903-1228 (scheduled 0820-1200)
Chad/Stephanie, Brook/Claire
9W 539 to Mumbai, 0040-0440 (scheduled 0045-0445)
9W 276 to Dhaka, 0903-1228 (scheduled 0820-1200)
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The guess I made on the flight from Seoul/Inchon to LAX still looks good for the date of June 15:
leg 12 ICN LAX most probable (earliest) departure is KE17 1524 1024