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Title: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mungobuh on May 16, 2010, 11:03:08 PM
I read a rumor at Survivor Sucks that TAR17 may begin filming at the end of this month. This would correlate with the information on the CBS application which mentioned filming taking place somewhere in the "Spring or Summer of 2010."

Do we know anything else?

I'll be in Italy from about June 4-15 and if TAR17 starts at the end of May, I really hope that I spot something TAR-related while there. I'm visiting Rome, Assisi, Florence, Venice and possibly Naples...three of those five would be NEW cities to visit in Italy. What do you think my odds are, folks? haha!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: woden on May 17, 2010, 10:48:11 AM
I'd say slim to none unless you take a big ash vacuum along with you.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on May 18, 2010, 07:11:54 AM
I'd say slim to none unless you take a big ash vacuum along with you.  :lol:
Where would you put all of the ash after it was vacuumed?
Ash hole.  :lol3:

(Sorry - a joke told to me by my 7 year old niece.)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 18, 2010, 07:42:00 PM
Be nice to the guy.  Airports in Western Europe just got reopened.  The danger is pretty low now with the volcanic ash.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Plaidmoon on May 19, 2010, 03:31:02 AM
Airports in much of Europe have opened and closed a couple of times due to further ash eruptions. Although the route for TAR 17 is probably already worked out, I'd think the producers will be very careful about their routing through Europe and may rerouting it or skip it entirely. Having a several day delay due to all flights being grounded would wreak havok with the schedule for the rest of the race and may make some planned locations later in the race unavailable. I'd guess that a route through southern Europe - Spain, the French Riviera, Italy, Turkey, places like that - would be safer from ash clouds and therefore more likely.

I'd still say your odds of seeing the race are pretty low, but if you do see them, please tell us what you see. We promise to be suitably impressed and jealous.  :yess:

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Coutzy on May 19, 2010, 03:37:09 AM
Airports in much of Europe have opened and closed a couple of times due to further ash eruptions. I'd think the producers will be very careful about their routing through Europe and may skip it entirely. Having a several day delay would wreak havok with the schedule for the rest of the race and may make some planned locations later in the race unavailable. I'd guess that a route through southern Europe - Spain, the French Riviera, Italy, Greece, Turkey, places like that - would be safer from ash clouds and therefore more likely.

I'd still say your odds of seeing the race are pretty low, but if you do see them, please tell us what you see. We promise to be suitably impressed and jealous.  :yess:

Plaidmoon

The only way I can forsee Europe is if they fly in via Russia, and take the train through Europe.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: theschnauzers on May 19, 2010, 11:59:30 AM
Southeastern Europe has a better chance than the rest of Europe including Russia. The normal upper air current this time of years usually heads across Northern Europe and Russia, and Southwest and Central Europe are likely to have good days and bad days with the ash until the eruption totally subsides.

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 19, 2010, 01:31:31 PM
Airports in much of Europe have opened and closed a couple of times due to further ash eruptions. Although the route for TAR 17 is probably already worked out, I'd think the producers will be very careful about their routing through Europe and may rerouting it or skip it entirely. Having a several day delay due to all flights being grounded would wreak havok with the schedule for the rest of the race and may make some planned locations later in the race unavailable. I'd guess that a route through southern Europe - Spain, the French Riviera, Italy, Turkey, places like that - would be safer from ash clouds and therefore more likely.

I'd still say your odds of seeing the race are pretty low, but if you do see them, please tell us what you see. We promise to be suitably impressed and jealous.  :yess:

Plaidmoon

Malta and Italy are potentially accessible by ferry...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: kwando1313 on May 19, 2010, 06:50:34 PM
I would guess Vancouver will appear, since it's after the Olympics...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 19, 2010, 07:58:22 PM
I would guess Vancouver will appear, since it's after the Olympics...

It'd be the first stop probably, seeing how close it is to the U.S. (keeps costs down).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redskevin88 on May 20, 2010, 03:13:32 AM
Malta and Italy are potentially accessible by ferry...

but from the United States??
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 20, 2010, 03:25:51 PM
This is speculation, but Phil has used his twitter everyday up till May 8, then 1 comment on May 16, and none since the writing of this post. I think they are sequestered somewhere getting ready for the race, meaning a start is imminent?  :)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on May 20, 2010, 06:03:29 PM
This is speculation, but Phil has used his twitter everyday up till May 8, then 1 comment on May 16, and none since the writing of this post. I think they are sequestered somewhere getting ready for the race, meaning a start is imminent?  :)

Probably.  I think there's speculation elsewhere that the Race will start at the end of this month.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 20, 2010, 06:04:55 PM
They don't sequester Phil. :lol:


 
Twitter: PhilKeoghan    Now Energy Bars! http://www.amazon.com/Bar-Peanut-Butter-Caramel-2-47-Ounce/dp/B003LPL0GE/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1274388652&sr=8-4
about 2 hours ago via web
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kiwi Jay on May 20, 2010, 06:25:53 PM
 :lol: :lol3: sneaky sequesterville. The race is definitely coming but Phil is definitely still on Facebook.  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 22, 2010, 08:12:31 PM
:lol: :lol3: sneaky sequesterville. The race is definitely coming but Phil is definitely still on Facebook.  :tup:

NVM
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 22, 2010, 08:13:30 PM
Just, throwing this out do you think its the same person with the fake seattle rumor that started last seasons Toronto rumor?

Considering both had racers visiting Canada first.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on May 22, 2010, 10:42:26 PM
If Peach says the race is close to starting............then it is close to starting............you can take that to the bank.    I guess if someone was really interested......they could go through the City of Los Angeles website and look for the filming permits..if they are using Los Angeles. Maybe they are using an LA surburb, so they dont have to file a request for the LA filming permit.....that would make sense after the last two races.....

Or guess someone could put a GPS tracker on Chateau........and the rest of us might know when the start is........lol

Personally, I try to check Twitter around 11-12 am for each time zone, just in case they are using a different city this time
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on May 23, 2010, 02:12:58 AM
If Peach says the race is close to starting............then it is close to starting............you can take that to the bank.
If it is, it'd be the ideal time for a fall season to start taping, at least.  Maybe that means the winter/spring season's applications will come out soon, too!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Jobby on May 23, 2010, 10:45:41 AM
I'm hoping i can put my very useless TAR Detective honour to use for this season.

Last season i merely missed them by around 1 to 2 hours.. :meow:

If i knew they will be going to the Barrage, i'll head there RIGHT AWAY. :'(
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on May 23, 2010, 01:34:05 PM
I kind of like the idea of a Seattle - Vancouver, BC first leg.  This could also be a way for TPTB to attempt to start the race with minimal detection.  If they started someplace like Qwest Field, home of the Seahawks, then had the teams drive to Vancouver instead of flying, the chances of teams being spotted before they got to Vancouver would be minimal.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 26, 2010, 12:04:32 PM
Boston huh? A nice city with great colleges.

I would have to say likely starting line locales would be Fenway Park or the Bunker Hill Monument.

Yeah I'm going to have to say Fenway Park: it's concealed and there are many public transportation options to the airport.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redwings8831 on May 26, 2010, 12:12:11 PM
Boston huh? A nice city with great colleges.

I would have to say likely starting line locales would be Fenway Park or the Bunker Hill Monument.

Fenway would be sweet and could happen because the Red Sox's are away all week.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 26, 2010, 12:51:09 PM
Looking at Boston-Logan Airport webpage at departures for international flights crossing the ocean, I found: (flight times is in Eastern Standard time)
AerLingus 136 to Dublin 620P
Air France 337 to Paris 540P
American 108 to London-Heathrow 715P
American 146 to Paris 645P
Delta 320 to Amsterdam 650P
Lufthansa 423 to Frankfurt 450P
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on May 26, 2010, 12:53:48 PM
Looking at Boston-Logan Airport webpage at departures for international flights, I got: (flight times is in Eastern Standard time)
AerLingus 136 to Dublin 620P
AirCanada 359 to Toronto 1104A
AirCanada 36

Are they taking a direct flight for this first leg, or are they hitting another airport on the way?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 26, 2010, 12:59:52 PM
Looking at Boston-Logan Airport webpage at departures for international flights, I got: (flight times is in Eastern Standard time)
AerLingus 136 to Dublin 620P
AirCanada 359 to Toronto 1104A
AirCanada 36

Are they taking a direct flight for this first leg, or are they hitting another airport on the way?

I only listed the ones that are crossing the Atlantic to Europe.  There were many AirCanada flights that I didn't want to take my time listing.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on May 26, 2010, 01:04:09 PM
Looking at Boston-Logan Airport webpage at departures for international flights, I got: (flight times is in Eastern Standard time)
AerLingus 136 to Dublin 620P
AirCanada 359 to Toronto 1104A
AirCanada 36

Are they taking a direct flight for this first leg, or are they hitting another airport on the way?

I only listed the ones that are crossing the Atlantic to Europe.  There were many AirCanada flights that I didn't want to take my time listing.

If they were stopping at another airport, then the first city could be anywhere.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 26, 2010, 01:04:45 PM
Boston huh? A nice city with great colleges.

I would have to say likely starting line locales would be Fenway Park or the Bunker Hill Monument.

From Fenway Park to Logan Airport, the best way is to take the Green Line MBTA to South Station and ride the Blue Line MBTA to Logan Airport.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on May 26, 2010, 01:30:25 PM
From Fenway Park to Logan Airport, the best way is to take the Green Line MBTA to South Station and ride the Blue Line MBTA to Logan Airport.

South Station's on the Red Line. You want to take the Green Line to Government Center and then the Blue Line to the airport. (Government Center stop noted by experience on the MBTA Green Line.)

Edited to add that I've never actually seen anywhere that you can connect to the Blue Line. Although the MBTA site says it's open, I don't think I've seen a Blue Line train at the Government Center station.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 26, 2010, 01:36:03 PM
The MBTA Blue line does connect to the Government Center Station.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 26, 2010, 02:36:43 PM
Teams spotted in the AA Terminal.

I think England may be first destination.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 26, 2010, 02:43:35 PM
Teams spotted in the AA Terminal.

I think England may be first destination.

Or not, they could be flying through Heathrow to somewhere else in Europe.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redwings8831 on May 26, 2010, 02:44:29 PM
http://www.massport.com/logan/d_default.aspx

All departures from Logan today. You can sort by gate and I assume those with B are in terminal B.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kiwi Jay on May 26, 2010, 03:03:01 PM
Now for some team descriptions!!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 26, 2010, 03:08:24 PM
Just out of curiosity, what if they weren't going to Europe.  What if they are going to the Caribbean via Miami.  
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 26, 2010, 03:11:40 PM
Found this on Facebook:

[Name Removed] TAR has left from Boston. The world awaits.
11 minutes ago

I don't think they're going to Europe either. I was anticipating Carribean for first leg, but I thought Boston was too far north...

But more importantly, if TAR has already left, then they must be on a flight to Dallas, Miami, or Chicago.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 26, 2010, 03:14:55 PM
If South America or the Caribbean/Central America is the first stop, where or what country would they be visiting?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 26, 2010, 03:15:27 PM
Found this on Facebook:

[Name Removed] TAR has left from Boston. The world awaits.
11 minutes ago

I don't think they're going to Europe either. I was anticipating Carribean for first leg, but I thought Boston was too far north...

But more importantly, if TAR has already left, then they must be on a flight to Dallas, Miami, or Chicago.
Or Paris or London.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 26, 2010, 03:18:52 PM
From the other thread.

Found this on Facebook:

[Name Removed] TAR has left from Boston. The world awaits.
11 minutes ago

I don't think they're going to Europe either. I was anticipating Carribean for first leg, but I thought Boston was too far north...

But more importantly, if TAR has already left, then they must be on a flight to Dallas, Miami, or Chicago.
Or Paris or London.

Those haven't departed yet. That's why I'm asking has TAR left the airport?

Woden says no. Perhaps Denmark? Looks like we're in for a 4-continent race.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on May 26, 2010, 03:22:42 PM
American Airlines is located at Terminal B, building 2. 
-Flights to London-Heathrow, LAX, Paris-CDG, SFO, Dallas-Ft Worth, Chicago-ORD, and Miami are departing out of that area.

Okay, so connect any AA flight departing from Boston in the early AM to any city you listed. It's not a direct flight, then.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 26, 2010, 03:27:03 PM
Found new tweet.  The race began in Gloucester at a yacht club.

That would be wrong, as the race started in Boston.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 26, 2010, 03:28:08 PM
TO CLARIFY: Teams have NOT left Boston yet (as of ten minutes ago).

This update from an eye-witness: "They are currently at Logan Airport in Boston. Not sure where they are heading, but they are in the area of the terminal that is bound for Frankfurt, Germany."

So there is a strong probability that frankfurt is the first leg?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 26, 2010, 03:31:11 PM
Found new tweet.  The race began in Gloucester at a yacht club.

That would be wrong, as the race started in Boston.

Don't jump to conclusions too quickly. Gloucester (not England) is located 45 minutes from Boston, a short drive away (similar to Pahrump of TAR 2).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 26, 2010, 03:31:59 PM
TO CLARIFY: Teams have NOT left Boston yet (as of ten minutes ago).

This update from an eye-witness: "They are currently at Logan Airport in Boston. Not sure where they are heading, but they are in the area of the terminal that is bound for Frankfurt, Germany."

So there is a strong probability that frankfurt is the first leg?

Frankfurt maybe a transit point
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 26, 2010, 03:37:18 PM
Race started at Eastern Point Yacht Club, in Gloucester

Distance to the airport: 57 minutes (google maps)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 26, 2010, 03:38:02 PM
Maybe a five continent again, with Oceania.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 26, 2010, 03:40:36 PM
Race started at Eastern Point Yacht Club, in Gloucester

Distance to the airport: 57 minutes (google maps)

The Yacht Club is a historical place there. 
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 26, 2010, 03:47:27 PM
Looks like Sri Lanka is now safe to visit with the cancellation of the travel warning there.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 26, 2010, 03:48:53 PM
Looks like Sri Lanka is now safe to visit with the cancellation of the travel warning there.

I doubt they will visit Sri Lanka agian since TAR6.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: north09 on May 26, 2010, 03:51:05 PM
It seems they are headfing to the Congo
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Zack. on May 26, 2010, 03:51:51 PM
They're running the race in Northern Hemisphere summer (hence, Southern Hemisphere winter), which would make legs south of the Equator (ie Australia, most of South America, southern Africa), highly unlikely. If they were to cross it, I don't think it would be for a giant leap (ie Oceania, South Africa).

That being said, I think they might go to Central America. It's been relatively unvisited plus they have TARLA racing down there to throw off any spoiler hounds like, say, us  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 26, 2010, 03:53:59 PM
It seems they are headfing to the Congo.

You can't get there from Frankfurt, so I doubt it.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on May 26, 2010, 03:56:48 PM
Probably eleven teams, since one boat appeared to have only one team on it.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: north09 on May 26, 2010, 03:56:54 PM
It seems they are headfing to the Congo.

You can't get there from Frankfurt, so I doubt it.

I agree, considering the guy that said it is speculated now to be a hoax.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on May 26, 2010, 03:59:11 PM
A pox on all hoaxers. (:;)

 :ignore:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redwings8831 on May 26, 2010, 04:00:04 PM
If I had to guess, I'd say either Denmark or Belgium. Both relatively close to Frankfurt and have never bene visited in the race's history. They could easily fly to Denmark or train/bus their way to Belgium from Frankfurt.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: David on May 26, 2010, 04:02:26 PM
It seems they are headfing to the Congo.

You can't get there from Frankfurt, so I doubt it.

From Frankfurt there is plenty of connections to Congo. Not directly, but it is a huge airport with plenty of flights.           
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on May 26, 2010, 04:02:53 PM
Macaroons has indicated that they are heading to London.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 26, 2010, 04:04:32 PM
I am going to guess Denmark or Belgium.  They seem the obvious choices.  Brussels Airport has flights from London and Frankfurt.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Sandra1991 on May 26, 2010, 04:13:30 PM
Just read this in the tweets topic:

This is a good one: A 17ª temporada de "The Amazing Race" começou hoje a ser filmada em Boston. Será que é desta que voltam a Portugal?

Portuguese is like Spanish, so I'll take a knack. The guy's only asking if TAR may finally return to Portugal?  :groan:

That was my tweet! I'm sorry if I got anyone confused. Caelestor is right, I was only asking if TAR is finally returning to Portugal. :P
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 26, 2010, 04:17:15 PM
Takes it what its worth for but, Wikipedia has congo listed as its first destination.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TexasLady on May 26, 2010, 04:24:30 PM
Just read this in the tweets topic:

This is a good one: A 17ª temporada de "The Amazing Race" começou hoje a ser filmada em Boston. Será que é desta que voltam a Portugal?

Portuguese is like Spanish, so I'll take a knack. The guy's only asking if TAR may finally return to Portugal?  :groan:

That was my tweet! I'm sorry if I got anyone confused. Caelestor is right, I was only asking if TAR is finally returning to Portugal. :P

Welcome to RFF and TAR, Sandra!

 :welcome:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 26, 2010, 05:11:25 PM
Takes it what its worth for but, Wikipedia has congo listed as its first destination.

Never trust Wikipedia until it's semi-protected.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: theschnauzers on May 26, 2010, 06:05:55 PM
Just an observation:

This relatively early filming start now explains the equally relatively early renewal announcement for TAR 17 a couple of months back. Not to mention Phil's absence from The Early Show on the 10th.

This marks the first East Coast start since TAR 11, and the first start date that might have been affected by volcanic ash. :)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Cocoa on May 26, 2010, 08:52:57 PM
It thrills me to have three different TARs going on! There's TAR China Rush, TAR Latin America, and our own TAR 17! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on May 26, 2010, 09:01:51 PM
It thrills me to have three different TARs going on! There's TAR China Rush, TAR Latin America, and our own TAR 17! :hearts:
Surely the first one ended by now.  About a week ago, we were down to the F5.  It has to be over by now, right?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on May 26, 2010, 09:53:10 PM
It thrills me to have three different TARs going on! There's TAR China Rush, TAR Latin America, and our own TAR 17! :hearts:
Surely the first one ended by now.  About a week ago, we were down to the F5.  It has to be over by now, right?
TAR China Rush has just finished 10th leg in tengchong yesterday,I find new spoiler to confirm this.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 27, 2010, 01:18:26 AM
Would they do an overnight rest at/near Stonehenge?  Theres nothing much there to do except walking around and viewing the mysterious structure.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: swimmer12 on May 27, 2010, 09:59:36 AM
how is that kid only 19? i thought the age was 21? and also you mentioned another person being under 21 before this who was that again? thank you!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: theschnauzers on May 27, 2010, 11:42:54 AM
Quote
ou mentioned another person being under 21 before this who was that again?
Caite.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Coutzy on May 27, 2010, 11:43:03 AM
Gah, Sam, ya beat me to it! I'm going to google maps and see how long it says the trip should take, might give us a rough idea of validity, since Joey has no location listed on his twitter page.

ETA: Google maps says 18 minutes, and there was 16 minutes between tweets, so it is possible.

I'm not too sure about it. If I read back right, the flights arrived around 7am here which was 10 and a half hours ago, so either the teams he is with are really slow or there has been a small break somewhere.

Possibly a second or third group? But we should move this to spec about now.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Coutzy on May 27, 2010, 11:48:32 AM
Bunch of tweets coming in from Stonehenge-   

Quote
1.     my wife just found out teams had to wait 3 hours in stonehenge (Later clarified. They waited at the airport, per new tweet) for some reason , how is that fair?     
less than a minute ago  via web
   2. two more teams just arrived, two blondes and a male team wearing green
5 minutes ago via web
 
 
   5. teams had to go to the world's oldest working clock tower to get their clue which said roadblock but not sure what that is
10 minutes ago via web
   6. at the Salisbury Cathedral with teams from THE AMAZING RACE 17 wtf is a roadblock lol
14 minutes ago via web
   7. Looks like 11 teams are racing
28 minutes ago via UberTwitter
   8. They are doing detours now I'm helping these asian father and son get around they are driving themselves and following me AMAZING RaCE 17
30 minutes ago via UberTwitter
   9. @jacobjunior7 I followed them from the airport! Its been a long day! They all cought up together at customs, I think its the begining
31 minutes ago via UberTwitter in reply to jacobjunior7

Discuss.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on May 27, 2010, 11:50:20 AM
Just guessing, maybe there's something to count in the world's oldest working clock tower?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on May 27, 2010, 12:07:11 PM
Maybe they have to read the Magna Carta? :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: ZBC Company on May 27, 2010, 12:08:55 PM
The Worlest Clock In salisbury

salisbury Cathedral, 1386; wells Cathedral, 1390

So that mean we are have Egland Leg
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: woden on May 27, 2010, 12:09:43 PM
Bunch of tweets coming in from Stonehenge-   

Quote
1.     my wife just found out teams had to wait 3 hours in stonehenge (Later clarified. They waited at the airport, per new tweet) for some reason , how is that fair?     
less than a minute ago  via web
   2. two more teams just arrived, two blondes and a male team wearing green
5 minutes ago via web
 
 
   5. teams had to go to the world's oldest working clock tower to get their clue which said roadblock but not sure what that is
10 minutes ago via web
   6. at the Salisbury Cathedral with teams from THE AMAZING RACE 17 wtf is a roadblock lol
14 minutes ago via web
   7. Looks like 11 teams are racing
28 minutes ago via UberTwitter
   8. They are doing detours now I'm helping these asian father and son get around they are driving themselves and following me AMAZING RaCE 17
30 minutes ago via UberTwitter
   9. @jacobjunior7 I followed them from the airport! Its been a long day! They all cought up together at customs, I think its the begining
31 minutes ago via UberTwitter in reply to jacobjunior7

Discuss.


I smell red herring.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Coutzy on May 27, 2010, 12:12:34 PM
Bunch of tweets coming in from Stonehenge-   

Quote
1.     my wife just found out teams had to wait 3 hours in stonehenge (Later clarified. They waited at the airport, per new tweet) for some reason , how is that fair?     
less than a minute ago  via web
   2. two more teams just arrived, two blondes and a male team wearing green
5 minutes ago via web
 
 
   5. teams had to go to the world's oldest working clock tower to get their clue which said roadblock but not sure what that is
10 minutes ago via web
   6. at the Salisbury Cathedral with teams from THE AMAZING RACE 17 wtf is a roadblock lol
14 minutes ago via web
   7. Looks like 11 teams are racing
28 minutes ago via UberTwitter
   8. They are doing detours now I'm helping these asian father and son get around they are driving themselves and following me AMAZING RaCE 17
30 minutes ago via UberTwitter
   9. @jacobjunior7 I followed them from the airport! Its been a long day! They all cought up together at customs, I think its the begining
31 minutes ago via UberTwitter in reply to jacobjunior7

Discuss.


I smell red herring.

There's been a lot more come in since. I too, am a bit wary, but he's going to A LOT of trouble if its a fake.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 27, 2010, 12:18:41 PM
I don't trust him. A Roadblock and a detour in the first leg? No way.

Besides, tasks take a long time to complete.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on May 27, 2010, 12:19:23 PM
His description of the teams seems accurate, and Old Sarum would make an excellent PitStop.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redwings8831 on May 27, 2010, 12:20:39 PM
I don't trust him. A Roadblock and a detour in the first leg? No way.

Besides, tasks take a long time to complete.

Well, maybe we're getting a longer (90 minute) season opener??
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: woden on May 27, 2010, 12:22:22 PM
His description of the teams seems accurate, and Old Sarum would make an excellent PitStop.

His team descriptions are nothing he couldn't have stolen from us. The geographical stuff is easy to make up from there. The tweets are coming WAY too fast. No way this is legit.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Coutzy on May 27, 2010, 12:22:30 PM
I don't trust him. A Roadblock and a detour in the first leg? No way.

Besides, tasks take a long time to complete.

He doesn't seem to know a great deal about the race, judging by the way he's talking, so perhaps he thought it was, then realised it wasnt  :duno:? He did mention a cameraphone though, so we may have some more concrete evidence later.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on May 27, 2010, 12:24:28 PM
His description of the teams seems accurate, and Old Sarum would make an excellent PitStop.

His team descriptions are nothing he couldn't have stolen from us. The geographical stuff is easy to make up from there. The tweets are coming WAY too fast. No way this is legit.

I did question why he was posting all of this from "web". The first few tweets are from "UberTwitter", but that's it.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: michael on May 27, 2010, 12:25:30 PM
It strikes me as odd that he doesn't "know" alot about the race but is putting THE AMAZING RACE 17 in all of his tweets, so that if somebody were to search for that they would show up.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on May 27, 2010, 12:26:24 PM
His description of the teams seems accurate, and Old Sarum would make an excellent PitStop.

His team descriptions are nothing he couldn't have stolen from us. The geographical stuff is easy to make up from there. The tweets are coming WAY too fast. No way this is legit.

I did question why he was posting all of this from "web". The first few tweets are from "UberTwitter", but that's it.

He's probably not an American - he spells colour correctly...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: ZBC Company on May 27, 2010, 12:28:04 PM
So if the amazing it going Eastward cant Possible they could do more Eroupe this time cut down to africa or asia
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on May 27, 2010, 12:28:29 PM
Actually he only mentioned TAR 17 a couple of times, and he says he has an iPad.  Can you tweet from those?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on May 27, 2010, 12:29:49 PM
Actually he only mentioned TAR 17 a couple of times, and he says he has an iPad.  Can you tweet from those?

Looks like yes. More than one application was made.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 27, 2010, 01:59:13 PM
I would suggest going with real until we know otherwise. So far everything is consistent....but hoaxes have abounded so be alert to the possibility.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 27, 2010, 02:27:18 PM
Any idea where would they go after England?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 27, 2010, 03:19:43 PM
I have a feeling it will be the same country for back to back legs. Last 3 have been so.
Season 15- Chile
Season 14- Although started in Japan, first leg in Vietnam showed.
Season 13- Brazil
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 27, 2010, 03:24:53 PM
I have a feeling it will be the same country for back to back legs. Last 3 have been so.
Season 16- Chile
Season 15- Although started in Japan, first leg in Vietnam showed.
Season 14- Switzerland (Exception)
Season 13- Brazil


Fixed your post. I also like to add that it's unlikely TAR will spend two legs in an expensive country (though I could be wrong).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 27, 2010, 04:43:25 PM
Scotland or Ireland would be lovely....(this is a want, not a spoiler :lol:  )
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on May 27, 2010, 05:18:52 PM
This has been an exciting first leg.   We got pictures and video of the pre-start "parade,"  then tweets and posts from a "Fern."
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kiwi Jay on May 27, 2010, 05:27:52 PM
Scotland or Ireland would be lovely....(this is a want, not a spoiler :lol:  )

THIS! I totally want these! Yay Peach, were on the same page! They haven't been to Scotland in a long while (Season 3) or was that Ireland?!

What a great first leg! Hopefully JoeyHort can send us some great and revealing photos...Go back tommorow and see their next destination and Peach said she had some info as well to compile over the weekend!  :yess:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Neobie on May 27, 2010, 05:32:13 PM
I don't trust him.

There are quite a few inconsistencies unresolved, aren't there?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kiwi Jay on May 27, 2010, 05:50:54 PM
I really don't believe its good to say how much we don't trust Joey when he's here trying to help us with information...Save it for later to judge, guys! We could have a solid helper right here with us now! Doesn't help!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 27, 2010, 06:09:38 PM
I really don't believe its good to say how much we don't trust Joey when he's here trying to help us with information...Save it for later to judge, guys! We could have a solid helper right here with us now! Doesn't help!

Wait, Joey and the tweeter are the same person? There's way too many posts for me to read...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kiwi Jay on May 27, 2010, 06:32:55 PM
Yes! So just keep watch!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on May 27, 2010, 06:35:59 PM
I really don't believe its good to say how much we don't trust Joey when he's here trying to help us with information...Save it for later to judge, guys! We could have a solid helper right here with us now! Doesn't help!

Wait, Joey and the tweeter are the same person? There's way too many posts for me to read...

Actually there are two "Joeys" posting.  "captjoe06" saw the teams leaving for the start near Boston and "joeyhort" saw the teams on the first leg in England.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: The Queen V on May 27, 2010, 08:29:52 PM
i hope i put this in the right place...

but any chances that there's a foot race in the first pit stop just like tar14's between the m/f and the asians?

thank you!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on May 27, 2010, 08:43:01 PM
Yes, joeyhort said there was, in fact, a footrace.  While he could still see them, the two teams were pretty close together, so it definitely might be one.

There was one for first, as well.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: RichInSydney on May 27, 2010, 08:56:20 PM
Hmmm... the iPad doesn't go on sale in the UK until 8am Friday 28 May UK time... Either he has bought one from the States or a very lucky person to have one 2 days before eveyone else in Europe!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10176138.stm
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on May 27, 2010, 09:33:55 PM
Anyone know when the teams leave on the second leg?  Like, an hour or two from now?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 27, 2010, 11:10:37 PM
Judging by the pitstop time (usually 12hrs) teams would already have left the pitstop or leaving it right now to travel towards their next destination.  Current time in Britain (around 5:30am Friday)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Heliox on May 28, 2010, 01:16:05 AM
Exciting stuff! Hope to see pictures soon. I hope like heck the Father/son team are not the first ones eliminated.

And hey.. partner is flying to Frankfurt late Saturday night and there for 3 days.. gonna make him camp out at the airport, cuz if they are in Europe, they will be coming through that airport at some point!!
If there are any clues that they are in Germany, lemme know and I will get him on the trail!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redskevin88 on May 28, 2010, 01:25:37 AM
I don't trust him. A Roadblock and a detour in the first leg? No way.

Besides, tasks take a long time to complete.

Maybe he confused a detour task for a route marker task. U never know.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kiwi Jay on May 28, 2010, 01:25:58 AM
Thanks Heliox!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Seattlite on May 28, 2010, 02:19:12 AM
On vacation in Paris right now, will watch and hope.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mpekv on May 28, 2010, 02:28:08 AM
Hi Guys, I am amazed with job you do here. Great detectives.

If they ever come to Serbia, I hope they will some day, because there is a lot of things to see, you can count on me.

And next few months I will be many times in Frankfurt, so I can watch on airport and city.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Dånooky on May 28, 2010, 02:37:03 AM
just something that has been bugging me, doesn't the crew usually "harass" people that are taking pictures nearby the racers? Or maybe I'm just confused on this ???
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: River on May 28, 2010, 09:08:25 AM
Hmmm... the iPad doesn't go on sale in the UK until 8am Friday 28 May UK time... Either he has bought one from the States or a very lucky person to have one 2 days before eveyone else in Europe!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10176138.stm
Or he bought it over the internet like a lot of people these days.......
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: River on May 28, 2010, 09:41:11 AM
OKay...So I look at the timeline thread and I see the latest location listed there is Stonehenge, does that mean that it is a hoax?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Coutzy on May 28, 2010, 09:57:55 AM
OKay...So I look at the timeline thread and I see the latest location listed there is Stonehenge, does that mean that it is a hoax?

It's being debated.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Coutzy on May 28, 2010, 02:10:54 PM
Wonderful job with Joey everyone!!! Thanks to the whole team who spotted him as a hoax early on, especially Neobie, Rich, Caelestor and all the rest of you who PM'd me with your concerns.  I am REALLY proud of you all!!

But sad that one of our own would go to such lengths to deceive us :( , and kinda sad at losing some of those locations  :lol:

As TexasLady said, we had him by afternoon yesterday, but were waiting for him to hang himself, as he did. Do y'all know how hard it was for me to stay quiet and not blast him to kingdom come??:lol3:


And a special HUGE :thankyou: to TexasLady who was left with the massive clean up today!! Not any fun for her, so y'all be nice and don't make her move anything else today!! Love you!! :kuss:



Can I ask why you didn't expose him as soon as you had it figured out??

I know that I personally wasted a lot of time refreshing his bogus twitter page, time which could have been spent looking for real information and/or sleeping.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: MamaT on May 28, 2010, 02:19:49 PM
Hey Joey (because I strongly suspect you're lurking), I dont believe for one minute that you were "hired to throw us off".  I'm thinking you're just a schmuck with nothing real to contribute.  So you  have to lie and make stuff up to help you feel important and included.  How pathetic you and your life must be.
And, on the small chance that you were "hired", you owe someone a refund, because you werent really that good. I'll admit that for the first few hours, getting caught up in the excitement, we fell for your crap. But you are not nearly as smart as most of the people here, and  they saw through you pretty quickly.  So, not only are you a pathetic schmuck, you're stupid as well.
Many kudos to the smart ones.  You are what makes this forum so successful! Let us hope that we got all of the idiots and jackasses out of the way in the first leg!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 28, 2010, 02:34:06 PM
 :groan: :groan: :groan:
Enough with this nonsense.
Lets just move on and get back to the main reason what this thread is for.
I have heard enough of this joey-hoax issue.  Just move on.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on May 28, 2010, 02:34:51 PM
Damn.  A hoax?  I admit he had me going, too.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 28, 2010, 02:38:24 PM
Damn.  A hoax?  I admit he had me going, too.

No more of this hoax nonsense please!
 :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on May 28, 2010, 02:39:20 PM
Damn.  A hoax?  I admit he had me going, too.

No more of this hoax nonsense please!
 :groan:
Well, excuse me!  I just got here!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 28, 2010, 02:49:05 PM
Sorry but this is becoming an issue here.  Many people here, especially me is getting pretty tired of hearing about this hoax deal.  Can we just move on and deal with it later.

 :chillpill: >:(
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 28, 2010, 03:17:16 PM
OKay...So I look at the timeline thread and I see the latest location listed there is Stonehenge, does that mean that it is a hoax?

It's being debated.

Im surprised to hear in may be a hoax. but didnt the senior memebrs of the forum confirm Stonehenge is the first location.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: MamaT on May 28, 2010, 03:46:27 PM
Stonehenge was definitely the first place they went after arriving at Heathrow
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 28, 2010, 04:14:35 PM
Stonehenge was definitely the first place they went after arriving at Heathrow

SO then what is the confusion?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on May 28, 2010, 04:23:54 PM
Stonehenge was definitely the first place they went after arriving at Heathrow
SO then what is the confusion?

Everything else joeyhort said about Salisbury Cathedral and the Fort at Old Sarum was apparently a hoax. (Either that or when he went back the next day, production threatened him into recanting.)

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kiwi Jay on May 28, 2010, 04:33:21 PM
:lol: Hopefully a real-sighting will pop up soon ans we will get back on track after this funny start  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: ichihara_yuuko on May 28, 2010, 05:01:53 PM
No sighting from me

But have they passed by Paris before? I'm currently in Paris as an exchange student (on vacation!) and I always bring with me my camera, so it would be nice if they pass by Paris.

Then again, they passed by France last season, and I was in Lille when they were in Verdun/Rheims.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 28, 2010, 05:17:45 PM
Belgium, accessible by Eurostar, is a potential stop after London.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: ichihara_yuuko on May 28, 2010, 05:20:53 PM
I can't be sure of this but taking the train from England means you definitely have to pass France, even if you have to go to Belgium (you can go to Belgium directly, but the train passes by France).

They might be actually going to Lille this time around, but since they already went to France last season, I think they'll go to Belgium.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: RichInSydney on May 28, 2010, 06:43:16 PM
Purely speculation but they could have stayed in the south of England for a double leg which is quite typical these days at the start of the race. If they stay out of London, there would be less chance of being spotted.

Remember there are ferries too that cross the English Channel. The White Cliffs of Dover would be nice, that would give an easy 90 min ferry trip accross to Calais in France for the next leg then from there they could travel anywhere in Europe either by car or train.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 29, 2010, 10:08:43 AM
59 minutes ago.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TL6R23T48LU28LNP4

Piere harvey- teams in Luxembourg.

I have my doubts, but I'm definitely open to the idea of a Luxembourg leg!

Though if I was planning the race, I'd go to Belgium first and avoid air flights as much as possible in Europe.

Maybe they will go to Belgium next via train.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Heliox on May 29, 2010, 12:36:05 PM
So Joey admitted that his posts were a hoax. But he said he was being paid to throw us off track?
Do we believe that production would bother to do that?

Hard to believe anything he says now.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: AmazingDT on May 29, 2010, 01:17:02 PM
well at least there is more hope that kenny and kevin werent eliminated
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on May 29, 2010, 05:57:15 PM
They could be using the different colored bandanas to differenciate the teams for the camaraman/soundman crews like they used to use those bag tags.......
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: David on May 29, 2010, 06:45:49 PM
Do you think there was an entire leg in UK? Or could it be just like some tasks in there and then departure times to take charter flights to Luxembourg?

This time, it is a bit weird, IMO.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Hooky on May 29, 2010, 06:56:32 PM
Do you think there was an entire leg in UK? Or could it be just like some tasks in there and then departure times to take charter flights to Luxembourg?

This time, it is a bit weird, IMO.

We got thrown off the trail by joey. :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 29, 2010, 07:05:32 PM
Last season, there were no TAR sightings in Europe (due to the night leg in Hamburg and mostly countryside legs in France). Same here probably.

Doubt TAR would use charter flights. Even with the new start city, remember TAR's budget is probably still constrained...

I'd speculate they'd be in Belgium, because the UK is a very expensive place to host a leg (not as expensive as before though, since the pound has fallen vs. the dollar).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 29, 2010, 09:48:00 PM
I just realized that Luxembourg is still maybe possible.  Teams may have did an extra task in England still and flew from Heathrow to Amsterdam to Findel Airport on KLM/KLM Cityhopper.  It could be possible that teams may arrived in Luxembourg later in the evening if they encountered a layover in Amsterdam.  If they arrived in the evening and if the venue for the next clue is already closed til morning, they would have to wait overnight til the place opens.  It could still be possible!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 29, 2010, 10:46:37 PM
There's something thats really bothering me.  How can two teams that were reported be in Luxembourg on Friday and and teams at Heathrow Airport on the same day but at a later time.  How many teams were seen at Heathrow at that time?  The Findel Airport posting does sound legit to me and the teams pink F/F and orange M/M does sound accurate.  Were other teams spotted at Findel or not? Did they flew Gatwick-Luxembourg on a first-come, first-served basis if seats were limited and the remainder of teams flew Heathrow-Luxembourg via connecting airport later on?

 :idgit
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on May 29, 2010, 11:06:36 PM
From a post, updated apx 9:52pm yesterday (5/28) London time. Guessing this is teams leaving England?

Off to Istanbul for the F1 this weekend... At heathrow again... They are filming the amazing race here!

The only flight to Istanbul from Heathrow after 5:30pm that I can find is TK 1984   Turkish Airlines    dep 10:30 PM from T-3   

So if this spotting turned out to be true, and the person saw them at the terminal, then these are the other flights from Heathrow after 9:00PM:


NBO Nairobi   BD 5071^   bmi    9:00 PM
NBO Nairobi   VS 671   Virgin Atlantic Airways    9:00 PM
ARN Stockholm   SK 534   SAS - Scandinavian Airlines    9:05 PM
SIN Singapore   QF 3346^   Qantas Airways    9:25 PM
SIN Singapore   IB 7538^   Iberia    9:25 PM
SIN Singapore   BA 11   British Airways    9:25 PM
BKK Bangkok   TG 917   Thai Airways International    9:30 PM
DEL Delhi   AI 112   Air India    9:30 PM
DOH Doha   UA 1007^   United Airlines    9:30 PM
DOH Doha   BD 2652^   bmi    9:30 PM
DOH Doha   QR 2   Qatar Airways    9:30 PM
SIN Singapore   QF 320^   Qantas Airways    9:35 PM
SIN Singapore   BA 15   British Airways    9:35 PM
BKK Bangkok   BR 68   EVA Air    9:35 PM
DEL Delhi   BD 5020^   bmi    10:00 PM
DEL Delhi   VS 300   Virgin Atlantic Airways    10:00 PM
BKK Bangkok   AY 5959   Finnair    10:00 PM
BKK Bangkok   QF 302^   Qantas Airways    10:00 PM
BKK Bangkok   BA 9   British Airways    10:00 PM
BKK Bangkok   IB 7618   Iberia    10:00 PM
DXB Dubai   SQ 2500^   Singapore Airlines    10:00 PM
DXB Dubai   BD 5060^   bmi    10:00 PM
DXB Dubai   VS 400   Virgin Atlantic Airways    10:00 PM
DEL Delhi   BD 5020^   bmi    10:00 PM
DEL Delhi   VS 300   Virgin Atlantic Airways    10:00 PM
BKK Bangkok   AY 5959   Finnair    10:00 PM
BKK Bangkok   QF 302^   Qantas Airways    10:00 PM
BKK Bangkok   BA 9   British Airways    10:00 PM
BKK Bangkok   IB 7618   Iberia    10:00 PM
DXB Dubai   SQ 2500^   Singapore Airlines    10:00 PM
DXB Dubai   BD 5060^   bmi    10:00 PM
DXB Dubai   VS 400   Virgin Atlantic Airways    10:00 PM
SIN Singapore   VS 7321^   Virgin Atlantic Airways    10:05 PM
SIN Singapore   SQ 321   Singapore Airlines    10:05 PM
SIN Singapore   BA 7310^   British Airways    10:05 PM
SIN Singapore   QF 10   Qantas Airways    10:05 PM
SIN Singapore   VS 7321^   Virgin Atlantic Airways    10:05 PM
SIN Singapore   SQ 321   Singapore Airlines    10:05 PM
SIN Singapore   BA 7310^   British Airways    10:05 PM
SIN Singapore   QF 10   Qantas Airways    10:05 PM
DXB Dubai   EK 6   Emirates    10:15 PM
BKK Bangkok   IB 7705^   Iberia    10:15 PM
BKK Bangkok   BA 7312^   British Airways    10:15 PM
BKK Bangkok   QF 2   Qantas Airways    10:15 PM
LOS Lagos   VS 651   Virgin Atlantic Airways    10:20 PM
IST Istanbul   TK 1984   Turkish Airlines    10:30 PM
HKG Hong Kong   VS 200   Virgin Atlantic Airways    10:30 PM
DOH Doha   UA 1005^   United Airlines    10:30 PM
DOH Doha   BD 2658^   bmi    10:30 PM
DOH Doha   QR 8   Qatar Airways    10:30 PM
CAI Cairo   BD 4898^   bmi    10:30 PM
CAI Cairo   MS 780   Egyptair    10:30 PM
ACC Accra   VS 657   Virgin Atlantic Airways    10:30 PM
MCT Muscat   WY 102     Oman Air    10:35 PM
HKG Hong Kong   CX 254   Cathay Pacific Airways    10:35 PM
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on May 29, 2010, 11:15:37 PM
There's something thats really bothering me.  How can two teams that were reported be in Luxembourg on Friday and and teams at Heathrow Airport on the same day but at a later time.  How many teams were seen at Heathrow at that time?  The Findel Airport posting does sound legit to me and the teams pink F/F and orange M/M does sound accurate.  Were other teams spotted at Findel or not? Did they flew Gatwick-Luxembourg on a first-come, first-served basis if seats were limited and the remainder of teams flew Heathrow-Luxembourg via connecting airport later on?

 :idgit

We may not know until later which reports are genuine, and which are fakes, so we have to look into all of them. Any one who has photos, or can provide information about the contestants that hasn't been publicly published on the forums is easier to verify, but sightings describing pink F/F or orange M/M could have come directly from this forum, or the video from Capt Joe.

One would hope they have changed into fresh clothes a couple of times by now....  :colors It is early days, so we don't yet have enough evidence to know if some teams have packed an entire wardrobe in their team color, or whether they will wear different colored clothes thru the race (like the Red F/F team that had already changed clothes when they got to Logan airport)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on May 29, 2010, 11:46:54 PM
With regards to the Sao Tome tweet, it may, or may not be able to be eliminated with logistics. Flights are pretty much only from Gabon (West Africa) or Lisbon.

There was a flight from Lisbon on Saturday, it is supposed to take 6 hr 15 min, but according to Flightstats it may have been delayed and departed 5 hrs late.

Airport:        (LIS) Lisboa Airport
City:        Lisbon, PT
Scheduled:        12:30 AM    -    Sat May 29, 2010
Actual:        5:31 AM - Sat May 29, 2010 (runway)

Seems like an unlikely route for TAR to take, and a long way to fly to a little island so early in the race, but perhaps possible, just. :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 29, 2010, 11:47:11 PM
There's something thats really bothering me.  How can two teams that were reported be in Luxembourg on Friday and and teams at Heathrow Airport on the same day but at a later time.  How many teams were seen at Heathrow at that time?  The Findel Airport posting does sound legit to me and the teams pink F/F and orange M/M does sound accurate.  Were other teams spotted at Findel or not? Did they flew Gatwick-Luxembourg on a first-come, first-served basis if seats were limited and the remainder of teams flew Heathrow-Luxembourg via connecting airport later on?

 :idgit

I actually don't trust either, but if I had to choose, I'd go with Luxembourg. It seems as though TAR didn't spend much time in Europe, something they will probably do this cycle.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 29, 2010, 11:50:19 PM
Where is there a Findel airport tweet please? I thought that was spec....
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 29, 2010, 11:51:51 PM
Where is there a Findel airport tweet please? I thought that was spec....

I think the Sao Tome tweet is not legit, all there is E Asian team nothing else.  No mention of other teams unlike the Luxembourg one.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 29, 2010, 11:54:49 PM
Where is there a Findel airport tweet please? I thought that was spec....

Not a tweet, it was from a forum (Topix IIRC)?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 29, 2010, 11:56:29 PM
Where is there a Findel airport tweet please? I thought that was spec....

Can you look at the Sao Tome tweet for us?

I think its not real here.

it helps a lot if you include the user name in the post. I can't tell anything, can try to contact them tomorrow.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 29, 2010, 11:58:57 PM
Where is there a Findel airport tweet please? I thought that was spec....

Can you look at the Sao Tome tweet for us?

I think its not real here.

it helps a lot if you include the user name in the post. I can't tell anything, can try to contact them tomorrow.

User name is "BernardinoCipr"
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on May 30, 2010, 12:18:43 AM
I tweeted back, a couple questions translated into Portuguese.  We'll see if he responds.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on May 30, 2010, 12:59:55 AM
i am confused, looking at all the posts here: can we confirm that the 1st team eliminated is the asian father and son team, or am i really in a confused state.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Zack. on May 30, 2010, 01:01:01 AM
Could Sao Tome & Principe be the location of Sequesterville?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on May 30, 2010, 01:10:03 AM
i am confused, looking at all the posts here: can we confirm that the 1st team eliminated is the asian father and son team, or am i really in a confused state.

Right now, I'd say the confused state option would be the better of the two options.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 30, 2010, 01:26:31 AM
i am confused, looking at all the posts here: can we confirm that the 1st team eliminated is the asian father and son team, or am i really in a confused state.

Right now, I'd say the confused state option would be the better of the two options.

Basically, we know nothing, except that Stonehenge was the first destination.
They'll show up in Asia probably.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on May 30, 2010, 01:29:37 AM
i am confused, looking at all the posts here: can we confirm that the 1st team eliminated is the asian father and son team, or am i really in a confused state.

Stonehenge is the last known destination. The person who claimed to have seen the teams at Stonehenge and gave us an order of elimination has since admitted it was fake and they made it all up. A few possible sightings since, but nothing yet confirmed.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 30, 2010, 02:56:26 AM
That was all from a spoiler hoaxer Evan, we have no idea who went out.

Welcome back!! :waves:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 30, 2010, 10:46:42 AM
The Heathrow sighting could have been earlier and later posted.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TexasLady on May 30, 2010, 11:25:26 AM
The full translation of the latest Tweet is:
Amazing race 17! VISITED MY COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nine teams made in 8 teams. 8 minutes Aug via web

not that it clears up much :lol:

I think it is another race, not our race.  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: jerseydude on May 30, 2010, 11:26:44 AM
The full translation of the latest Tweet is:
Amazing race 17! VISITED MY COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nine teams made in 8 teams. 8 minutes Aug via web

not that it clears up much :lol:

I think it is another race, not our race.  :duno:
I agree. Cuz that would mean that it would have to be Leg 3 at least.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 30, 2010, 12:42:26 PM
Well, there has been 3 legs if Luxembourg is true.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 30, 2010, 12:43:49 PM
The Heathrow sighting could have been earlier and later posted.

True.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 30, 2010, 01:09:07 PM
It states the colors that had been mentioned numerous times.

Two Asians in dark blue. Two males in black. Two males in orange. Four all-female teams (blue, green, pink, brown). A male in while and a girl in purple. And I don't understand the other one.

Definitly looks like our race :)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 30, 2010, 01:10:22 PM
Looks like Race producers are brining the race to more exotic and unknown places such as Luxembourg and Sao Tome and Principe.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 30, 2010, 01:11:31 PM
Could Sao Tome & Principe be the location of Sequesterville?

I doubt, it as its really hard to get there, and 1 leg there is already hard to do.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 30, 2010, 01:18:59 PM
Could Sao Tome & Principe be the location of Sequesterville?

I doubt, it as its really hard to get there, and 1 leg there is already hard to do.

Just found a palace in Portugal on wikipedia, called "Palace of the Dukes of Braganza" in the Guimaraes Municipality.  There is a parish called Sao Tome de Abacao.  The nearest major airport is in Porto and Luxair flies there as well. Could the tweet came from Portugal and not Sao Tome & Principe? 
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 30, 2010, 01:30:59 PM
"male purple on purple and white female in a team mom in black on black child in blue."

and

"sorry for bad grammar"


But again, most of this could have come from previous spoilers found HERE.

Agreed, but the Portugese can be slightly different in Sao Tome.

Where is this "HERE" at?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 30, 2010, 01:32:32 PM
"male purple on purple and white female in a team mom in black on black child in blue."

and

"sorry for bad grammar"


But again, most of this could have come from previous spoilers found HERE.

Agreed, but the Portugese can be slightly different in Sao Tome.

Where is this "HERE" at?

Check the timeline thread.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on May 30, 2010, 01:37:03 PM
HERE = RFF.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 30, 2010, 02:07:43 PM
It states the colors that had been mentioned numerous times.

Two Asians in dark blue. Two males in black. Two males in orange. Four all-female teams (blue, green, pink, brown). A male in while and a girl in purple. And I don't understand the other one.

Definitly looks like our race :)

or NOT. This person is posting using info readily available on our site. Don't be so quick to believe every word, it is our job to question, analyze and make a judgement call as to whether it is valid or not.

My guess based on the info so far?? NOT.

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 30, 2010, 02:15:31 PM
same here!
:ythat:  :piano: :nana  :nana :nana :nana :casey
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 30, 2010, 02:38:45 PM
Looking at the location of Salisbury, I think two legs in UK is feasible.

There are two possibilities:

1. TAR went back into London. Next leg teams could take a train to Belgium or take a plane out of Heathrow to who knows where.

2. TAR went to Wales and later flew out of Bristol Airport, with considerably less traffic than Heathrow (and thus a lower chance of being sighted).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 30, 2010, 02:44:56 PM
Or take a ferry to Ireland, or a train to Scotland, or fly out of Manchester (prob not Bristol). Or the Chunnel to wherever.

I'll be surprised if we EVER see a Belgian leg.

Anywhere is the key! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 30, 2010, 03:49:05 PM
Or take a ferry to Ireland, or a train to Scotland, or fly out of Manchester (prob not Bristol). Or the Chunnel to wherever.

I'll be surprised if we EVER see a Belgian leg.

Anywhere is the key! :lol:

Why would u be surpised at a Belgian leg?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 30, 2010, 03:50:41 PM
Because BVM is Dutch. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 30, 2010, 04:35:43 PM
Okay...so we have a reference from pink team asking someone at the airport where the Congo is (they can see their passport visas, including the extras)

We have someone twittering about Sao Tome

And now a possible reference to a sighting in Accra, Ghana.

Anyone else getting a theme here? :lol:

All of these places are in geographical proximity, so we need to watch this area closely.

:jumpy:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 30, 2010, 04:38:30 PM
I believe the Ghana one is 100% real.  Sao Tome and Congo, not!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: north09 on May 30, 2010, 04:45:48 PM
i've been checking the twitter of the person who posted the info on Ghana, and I can't find anything that would point to this being a hoax. Like Peach has said, we should focus on these African tweets right now. The race hardly touched it last season.

I have a little more faith in the Sao Tome info now. It is located just off the west african coast. An easy flight to Gahna from there.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 30, 2010, 04:48:20 PM
i've been checking the twitter of the person who posted the info on Ghana, and I can't find anything that would point to this being a hoax. Like Peach has said, we should focus on these African tweets right now. The race hardly touched it last season.

I have a little more faith in the Sao Tome info now. It is located just off the west african coast. An easy flight to Gahna from there.

It wasn't twitter, it was facebook.  There are no direct flights from Accra to Sao Tome.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: north09 on May 30, 2010, 04:53:53 PM
i've been checking the twitter of the person who posted the info on Ghana, and I can't find anything that would point to this being a hoax. Like Peach has said, we should focus on these African tweets right now. The race hardly touched it last season.

I have a little more faith in the Sao Tome info now. It is located just off the west african coast. An easy flight to Gahna from there.

It wasn't twitter, it was facebook.  There are no direct flights from Accra to Sao Tome.

Must have been looking at the wrong person then!  :lol:

There doesn't need to be a direct flight. The locations are close enough that traveling from one to the other in a day wouldn't be hard.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 30, 2010, 05:00:29 PM
Racers can see their passports with the visas. If a Racer is asking where the Congo is, bet your bottom dollar they have a visa for the Congo,

BUT we know they are given lots of extra visas, so....??

We need to look at all these locations seriously.

Accra sounds very real to me as well....Congo next? :lol:

Okay, NVM about the Congo, that came from the person who posted false Seattle sightings.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 30, 2010, 05:37:09 PM
An evening direct flight Heathrow to Accra on the 28th and 29th was cancelled.

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on May 30, 2010, 05:48:00 PM
So Ghana is real, but the Congo isn't?  (Sorry.  Just getting here and catching up.)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 30, 2010, 06:25:45 PM
I highly support the theory of Ghana. It's a West Africa country, and Accra Airport has many flights.
Theoretically from Ghana, one could go to Kulasi or Lome in the nearby country of Togo.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on May 30, 2010, 07:18:52 PM
So are they in Ghana now, or Spain or Portugal?  I'm confused.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 30, 2010, 07:20:20 PM
So are they in Ghana now, or Spain or Portugal?  I'm confused.

They are more likely to be in Ghana. The spain portugal is about the beginning of the race.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: woden on May 30, 2010, 07:28:15 PM
An evening direct flight Heathrow to Accra on the 28th and 29th was cancelled.

BUT... we did have this flight (ACC Accra   VS 657   Virgin Atlantic Airways    10:30 PM) on May 28 that matches the timeline of this sighting:

Quote
From a post, updated apx 8:52pm on 5/28 London time. Guessing this is teams leaving England?

Off to Istanbul for the F1 this weekend... At heathrow again... They are filming the amazing race here!

The Accra, Ghana feasibility is getting higher, I'd say.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 30, 2010, 07:39:05 PM
An evening direct flight Heathrow to Accra on the 28th and 29th was cancelled.

BUT... we did have this flight (ACC Accra   VS 657   Virgin Atlantic Airways    10:30 PM) on May 28 that matches the timeline of this sighting:

Quote
From a post, updated apx 8:52pm on 5/28 London time. Guessing this is teams leaving England?

Off to Istanbul for the F1 this weekend... At heathrow again... They are filming the amazing race here!

The Accra, Ghana feasibility is getting higher, I'd say.

I think they did 2 legs in England and left for Ghana.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 30, 2010, 07:40:31 PM
An evening direct flight Heathrow to Accra on the 28th and 29th was cancelled.

BUT... we did have this flight (ACC Accra   VS 657   Virgin Atlantic Airways    10:30 PM) on May 28 that matches the timeline of this sighting:

Quote
From a post, updated apx 8:52pm on 5/28 London time. Guessing this is teams leaving England?

Off to Istanbul for the F1 this weekend... At heathrow again... They are filming the amazing race here!

The Accra, Ghana feasibility is getting higher, I'd say.

I think they did 2 legs in England and left for Ghana.

Considering there a no direct flights between Luxembourg and Accra.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 30, 2010, 07:42:59 PM
If Ghana is True, the fake pre racing list left by producers is somewhat right.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 30, 2010, 07:57:52 PM
The Ghana, sighting is from an American citizen now living in Ghana, I have sent her a message.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 30, 2010, 08:08:44 PM
An evening direct flight Heathrow to Accra on the 28th and 29th was cancelled.

BUT... we did have this flight (ACC Accra   VS 657   Virgin Atlantic Airways    10:30 PM) on May 28 that matches the timeline of this sighting:

Quote
From a post, updated apx 8:52pm on 5/28 London time. Guessing this is teams leaving England?

Off to Istanbul for the F1 this weekend... At heathrow again... They are filming the amazing race here!

The Accra, Ghana feasibility is getting higher, I'd say.

I think they did 2 legs in England and left for Ghana.

Leg 1 happened on Thursday
Leg 2 happened on Friday

When did that tweet occur? TAR may have been able to squeeze in a 3rd leg somewhere in this narrow time frame, which would indicate that Ghana would be the 4th leg.

P.S. Please don't make multiple posts in a row, use the edit function.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on May 31, 2010, 09:57:20 AM
It's kind of hard to believe any of these sightings without access to the original postings.

For instance, I've searched for the latest Heathrow sighting and could not find the original blog.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: michael on May 31, 2010, 10:26:48 AM
Okay, I just heard back from the charming blogger herself. She confirms May 28 Friday at about 4 (4:19 per wp's photo).

She also says that Team Green were the first at the counter and first to get their tickets.

I'm liking the way this team sounds
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on May 31, 2010, 10:37:54 AM
Okay, I just heard back from the charming blogger herself. She confirms May 28 Friday at about 4 (4:19 per wp's photo).

She also says that Team Green were the first at the counter and first to get their tickets.

I'm liking the way this team sounds

So am I.  Maybe we can have a really good all-female team.  Two in fact, since the pink girls are still in the Race as well.

I'm also happy the Wu father & son are still in the Race!  Let's hope that none of the other two all-female teams are gone.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: MamaT on May 31, 2010, 10:47:03 AM
Great work everyone! It's so exciting to check in this morning and see that you have identified a team and gotten photo confirmation of where the teams are (or were recently) You guys ROCK!! :tup:

Quote
The pink girls, though?  I'm pretty sure that's one of the coed teams,
At first glance, I thought the girl wearing pink could have been the blonde daughter from the "yellow"team.  After looking closer though, it is definintely the blonde of the pink team.  She's carrying the same backpack as she was in Boston.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: RealityFreakWill on May 31, 2010, 10:50:28 AM
Whoa, which team green are we talking about? Team Green as in Jonathan/Connor or Team Lime Green as in F/F?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: michael on May 31, 2010, 10:53:52 AM
Whoa, which team green are we talking about? Team Green as in Jonathan/Connor or Team Lime Green as in F/F?

Well since F/F are ahead of M/M in the line I'd assume the F/F were the first team to get there...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on May 31, 2010, 10:54:31 AM
Okay, I just heard back from the charming blogger herself. She confirms May 28 Friday at about 4 (4:19 per wp's photo).

She also says that Team Green were the first at the counter and first to get their tickets of the group she saw.

Team Green or Team Lime Green?

Team Green, Connor and Jonathan, seems to be at the back of this line.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on May 31, 2010, 10:57:22 AM
Investigating flights from London (LHR) to Accra (ACC)...
From the sightings thread we know that a few teams were booking VS 667 which departed from LHR at 22:30.
The BA flight at 14:40 was canceled and I don't see any other direct flights.

But when I try to book a flight from LHR to ACC that doesn't use Virgin Atlantic or BA I don't get any other indirect options. I can't believe they'd have Phil and the whole crew on one flight. WRP must have know that the BA flight would be canceled because of the labour dispute.

Can anybody find other 1 stop flights that make sense?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 31, 2010, 10:58:05 AM
So one, maybe two legs in Ghana!  :wohoo:

Do we know if they just stayed in Accra or visited another major city in the country?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 31, 2010, 11:00:52 AM
Investigating flights from London (LHR) to Accra (ACC)...
From the sightings thread we know that a few teams were booking VS 667 which departed from LHR at 22:30.
The BA flight at 14:40 was canceled and I don't see any other direct flights.

But when I try to book a flight from LHR to ACC that doesn't use Virgin Atlantic or BA I don't get any other indirect options. I can't believe they'd have Phil and the whole crew on one flight. WRP must have know that the BA flight would be canceled because of the labour dispute.

Can anybody find other 1 stop flights that make sense?

Not a one stop flight, but WRP may have taken a 9:25/9:55 flight to Amsterdam and then transfered to a flight to Ghana (arr. 6:45 P.M.)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: RealityFreakWill on May 31, 2010, 11:01:41 AM
Okay, I just heard back from the charming blogger herself. She confirms May 28 Friday at about 4 (4:19 per wp's photo).

She also says that Team Green were the first at the counter and first to get their tickets of the group she saw.

You mean the lime green team, right?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 31, 2010, 11:06:56 AM
yes, both green teams are in that photo. Green team guys were first to get their tickets, if I mean Lime Green I will say so.

Let's take this to the contestant and the Location and the spec threads now please?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 31, 2010, 11:10:41 AM
Okay, I just heard back from the charming blogger herself. She confirms May 28 Friday at about 4 (4:19 per wp's photo).

She also says that Team Green were the first at the counter and first to get their tickets of the group she saw.



Team Green or Team Lime Green?

Team Green, Connor and Jonathan, seems to be at the back of this line.

I am consistently using the team names posted in the Contestant threads. Team Green (she specifically described our guys) were the team to first get their tickets OF THAT GROUP she saw.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: RealityFreakWill on May 31, 2010, 11:11:10 AM
yes, both green teams are in that photo. Green team guys were first to get their tickets, if I mean Lime Green I will say so.

Let's take this to the contestant and the Location and the spec threads now please?

Thank you!  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 31, 2010, 12:24:00 PM
here are some usual flights LHR to ACC on Fridays....somehow I don't think teams would be allowed on MEA for example.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: woden on May 31, 2010, 12:49:53 PM
It'll be interesting to see where teams go from Ghana. No likely options for ground travel out of the country and a pretty limited flight schedule today and tomorrow (especially once you take out destinations with Dept of State travel warnings and England, although I suppose they could connect through LHR again):

DEPARTURES FROM ACCRA: MAY 31
LFW Lome        AT 517        Royal Air Maroc    4:45 AM         
LFW Lome        AT 516        Royal Air Maroc    4:45 AM      
ABV Abuja        W3 64        Arik Air    6:30 AM      
LOS Lagos        VK 844        Virgin Nigeria    6:30 AM         
LHR London     VS 658      Virgin Atlantic Airways    8:05 AM   
LOS Lagos        W3 72        Arik Air    8:05 AM         
LOS Lagos     VK 800        Virgin Nigeria    8:10 AM
         
ABJ Abidjan     VU 301             Air Ivoire    10:45 AM         
ADD Addis Ababa   ET 928        Ethiopian Airlines    11:30 AM
ABJ Abidjan   EK 787           Emirates    1:00 PM   
ROB Monrovia   KQ 508        Kenya Airways    1:10 PM
BKO Bamako   2J 416        Air Burkina    1:20 PM   
ABJ Abidjan   ET 907        Ethiopian Airlines    2:20 PM
   
OUA Ouagadougou   2J 522        Air Burkina    2:20 PM   
LBV Libreville   LH 566   Lufthansa    3:25 PM       
LBV Libreville   SN 7200   Brussels Airlines    3:25 PM   
LOS Lagos        VK 804        Virgin Nigeria    5:10 PM         
DXB Dubai   EK    788              Emirates    5:30 PM   
LOS Lagos        W3 76        Arik Air    5:45 PM         
NBO Nairobi   KQ 509        Kenya Airways    8:50 PM   
JNB Johannesburg   SW 707        Air Namibia    9:00 PM         
AMS Amsterdam   KL 590   KLM    9:10 PM         
AMS Amsterdam   DL 9373^    Delta Air Lines    9:10 PM         
FRA Frankfurt   LH 567   Lufthansa    9:55 PM         
FRA Frankfurt   SN 7201^   Brussels Airlines    9:55 PM         
FRA Frankfurt   UA 8722^   United Airlines    9:55 PM         
LHR London   BA 78   British Airways    10:40 PM          Cancelled
LHR London   AA 6414^   American Airlines    10:40 PM          Cancelled

JNB Johannesburg   SA 53   South African Airways    11:00 PM         
TIP Tripoli   8U 751        Afriqiyah Airways    11:05 PM         
LGW London   G0 101     Ghana International Airlines    11:30 PM

DEPARTURES FROM ACCRA: JUNE 1
LFW Lome        KP 19        ASKY Airlines    12:20 AM         
LFW Lome     ET 19^        Ethiopian Airlines    12:20 AM   
      
FNA Freetown   KP 13        ASKY Airlines    1:00 AM         
FNA Freetown   ET 13^        Ethiopian Airlines    1:00 AM         
MSE Manston   CV 7172        Cargolux Airlines International    5:10AM
MSE Manston   CV 7179        Cargolux Airlines International    5:10AM

LOS Lagos        W3 72        Arik Air    8:05 AM         
JFK New York   DL 167   Delta Air Lines    9:40 AM   
JFK New York   KL 9338^      KLM    9:40 AM   
ABJ Abidjan   VU 301   Air Ivoire    10:45 AM   
      
ADD Addis Ababa   ET 906        Ethiopian Airlines    10:55 AM         
ROB Monrovia   VK 807        Virgin Nigeria    11:15 AM      
ABJ Abidjan   EK 787   Emirates    1:00 PM   
FNA Freetown   KQ 510        Kenya Airways    1:10 PM   
ROB Monrovia   ET 929        Ethiopian Airlines    1:50 PM   
LOS Lagos        VK 806        Virgin Nigeria    4:05 PM         
DXB Dubai        EK 788           Emirates    5:30 PM   
LOS Lagos        W3 76        Arik Air    5:45 PM   
BJL Banjul        VK 845        Virgin Nigeria    8:35 PM   
NBO Nairobi   KQ 511        Kenya Airways    8:50 PM   
AMS Amsterdam   KL 590   KLM    9:10 PM         
AMS Amsterdam   DL 9373^   Delta Air Lines    9:10 PM   
DKR Dakar   W3 65        Arik Air    9:20 PM   
LFW Lome        VU 310      Air Ivoire    10:05 PM   
LHR London   BA 78   British Airways    10:40 PM   
LHR London   AA 6414^   American Airlines    10:40 PM   
   
JNB Johannesburg   SA 53   South African Airways    11:00 PM   
CAI Cairo        MS 882   Egyptair    11:45 PM         
FCO Rome     AZ 845   Alitalia    11:45 PM   

Hard to believe they'd be done in Africa already after Ghana with so much Race left. If they do leave Africa, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, and Dubai jump out as possible connection points.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 31, 2010, 12:55:09 PM
We had lots of chatter about Jo-burg for this season. A LOT . But we discounted most of it thinking that TAR wouldn't want to be there during the World Cup. The US Team arrived there Sunday (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3G320100531)

I feel sure we'll see at least 2 African legs...perhaps two even in Ghana? That's what they did in Burkina Fasa.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 31, 2010, 12:56:03 PM
I expect 3 African legs this race. Two in Ghana seems feasible, given its big culture and relatively large country size.

I think Lome or Librevile are the likely next destinations, especially the former, which is a 3 hour ride from Accra.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on May 31, 2010, 01:01:23 PM
Virgin Atlantic just started flying from LHR to ACC on May 24th - Sir Richard Branson and other celebrities were there to celebrate the new route.
I sense a "promotional considerations" opportunity and wouldn't be surprised to see other Virgin flights.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: woden on May 31, 2010, 01:05:51 PM
My guess is that they've completed two legs in Ghana already and that we'll see at least one more African leg. I find it hard to believe WRP would want to risk Joburg right now too, but it would give them much better options to connect to their next continent than Togo, Gambia, Sierra Leone, etc, would. Cairo would be another possibility with lots of connections. And they HAVE leapfrogged from Europe to Africa back to Europe before as well, so who knows.

WP has a point -- we have had two known Virgin flights already, including one on the first leg which is unprecedented.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on May 31, 2010, 01:29:31 PM
Okay, I just heard back from the charming blogger herself. She confirms May 28 Friday at about 4 (4:19 per wp's photo).

She also says that Team Green were the first at the counter and first to get their tickets.

I'm liking the way this team sounds

So am I.  Maybe we can have a really good all-female team.  Two in fact, since the pink girls are still in the Race as well.

I'm also happy the Wu father & son are still in the Race!  Let's hope that none of the other two all-female teams are gone.
Yeah, by the time they left England.  But there's still the matter of Ghana.

I think the blue/black women's team could probably make it through quite a few legs, but it's the red girls I'm worried about.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 31, 2010, 03:04:59 PM
Maybe the Ghana leg was over 3 days. They left on 28 arrived on 29 accounted an overnight stop, then finished leg on the 30.

Considering there is only one international airport in Ghana, it makes 2 legs unlikely, as they had to fly into Accra,.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on May 31, 2010, 03:06:58 PM
More fake TAR 17 spoilers, this time from "ababou12" on twitter...
Not even a little bit convincing.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kiwi Jay on May 31, 2010, 03:25:54 PM
Okay, I just heard back from the charming blogger herself. She confirms May 28 Friday at about 4 (4:19 per wp's photo).

She also says that Team Green were the first at the counter and first to get their tickets.

I'm liking the way this team sounds

So am I.  Maybe we can have a really good all-female team.  Two in fact, since the pink girls are still in the Race as well.

I'm also happy the Wu father & son are still in the Race!  Let's hope that none of the other two all-female teams are gone.
Yeah, by the time they left England.  But there's still the matter of Ghana.

I think the blue/black women's team could probably make it through quite a few legs, but it's the red girls I'm worried about.

I think the red girls or blue and rose girls are a mom and daughter...So I hope they can make it through!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on May 31, 2010, 03:26:22 PM
Okay, I just heard back from the charming blogger herself. She confirms May 28 Friday at about 4 (4:19 per wp's photo).

She also says that Team Green were the first at the counter and first to get their tickets of the group she saw.
Even though it's clearly the lime green girls who seem to be there first.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: michael on May 31, 2010, 03:32:19 PM
Okay, I just heard back from the charming blogger herself. She confirms May 28 Friday at about 4 (4:19 per wp's photo).

She also says that Team Green were the first at the counter and first to get their tickets of the group she saw.
Even though it's clearly the lime green girls who seem to be there first.

please post this in the spec thread, this thread is just for tweets/live sightings!

and just because lime green is at the counter first doesn't mean green team is behind them, green team prob already got their tickets and are now just chilling, talking to the other teams . . .

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 31, 2010, 03:54:46 PM
woden- They went to Senegal and then returned back to Euopre during Amazing Race 6 so it is possible.
Also, a land trip to Togo is possible, and that would save money.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: 2old4tech on May 31, 2010, 04:26:34 PM
Pure Spec

Since BvM sometimes tries to establish a theme...To go along with Stonehenge...

The Ghana Mystery Stone:

http://www.ghana.photographers-resource.com/locations/Heritage/LG/Mystery_stone.htm (http://www.ghana.photographers-resource.com/locations/Heritage/LG/Mystery_stone.htm)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on May 31, 2010, 04:37:53 PM
Trying to get times straight in my head. If the teams flew from Heathrow to Ghana on Friday evening,

Airport:        (LHR) Heathrow Airport
City:        London, EN, GB
Scheduled:        10:30 PM    -    Fri May 28, 2010
Actual:        10:54 PM    - Fri May 28, 2010
         Departed gate 24 min later than scheduled
Terminal:        3

Airport:        (ACC) Kotoka Airport
City:        Accra, GH
Scheduled:        4:15 AM - Sat May 29, 2010
Actual:        4:35 AM -    Sat May 29, 2010
         Arrived at gate 20 min later than scheduled

is it even possible timewise that they could have made it over to Sao Tome (unable to find a listed commercial flight so it would possibly have been charter), had a complete leg including elimination, and then back to Ghana for the current potential sightings?

If we assumed that WRP might have counted on having access to the earlier evening BA flight at 8:35 also, would that make it more feasible?

Just trying to prove or disprove whether the Sao Tome sighting is probably false
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: tlallstar6 on May 31, 2010, 04:45:58 PM
We had lots of chatter about Jo-burg for this season. A LOT . But we discounted most of it thinking that TAR wouldn't want to be there during the World Cup

I was just coming on here to make a post about the World Cup.  They will most likely be avoiding South Africa and any surrounding areas due to the WC, but the speculation that they traveled from England to Ghana got me wondering if they may make it a theme or trend to visit World Cup Nations during this race.  They have been in the US, England, and Ghana.  Just something to keep in mind as more information is brought to our attention.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 31, 2010, 04:46:56 PM
What if they did a task already in Ghana after the pitstop, then departed from Accra to fly elsewhere.  Its been done before.
Also what if they flew to somewhere where the leg took place at night.  Like last season, Leg 4 in Germany.  That is a good possibility since there were very little sightings during filming there.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 31, 2010, 05:04:17 PM
We had lots of chatter about Jo-burg for this season. A LOT . But we discounted most of it thinking that TAR wouldn't want to be there during the World Cup. The US Team arrived there Sunday (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3G320100531)

I feel sure we'll see at least 2 African legs...perhaps two even in Ghana? That's what they did in Burkina Fasa.

There are other places in South Africa too than Johannesburg.  Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, East London, Bloemfontein, and Durban.  The FIFA World Cup doesn't begin until June 11, South Africa is still a possibility before then.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: RichInSydney on May 31, 2010, 05:33:59 PM
There are other places in South Africa too than Johannesburg.  Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, East London, Bloemfontein, and Durban.  The FIFA World Cup doesn't begin until June 11, South Africa is still a possibility before then.
The World Cup has games in many South African cities, plus teams are already arriving, lots of security so I still doubt they will go there.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 31, 2010, 05:37:37 PM
There are other places in South Africa too than Johannesburg.  Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, East London, Bloemfontein, and Durban.  The FIFA World Cup doesn't begin until June 11, South Africa is still a possibility before then.
The World Cup has games in many South African cities, plus teams are already arriving, lots of security so I still doubt they will go there.

I told ya, the World Cup doesn't begin til June 11,  its only May 31.  Eleven days ahead,  they could still do South Africa, even in the rural areas like national parks and reserves.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: tlallstar6 on May 31, 2010, 05:48:48 PM
Some of the teams are already on their way to South Africa, if not already there.  I know the US national team planned on leaving yesterday.  They could do it, but I think it would be difficult to pull off with all of the security measures they are probably taking in airports and other places.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 31, 2010, 06:00:08 PM
Some of the teams are already on their way to South Africa, if not already there.  I know the US national team planned on leaving yesterday.  They could do it, but I think it would be difficult to pull off with all of the security measures they are probably taking in airports and other places.

Besides South Africa is not the only country down there.  Lesotho, Swaziland, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Zambia, and Botswana are also probable destinations. The first three have not been visited before so there is a probability here. 
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 31, 2010, 06:03:03 PM
Some of the teams are already on their way to South Africa, if not already there.  I know the US national team planned on leaving yesterday.  They could do it, but I think it would be difficult to pull off with all of the security measures they are probably taking in airports and other places.

Besides South Africa is not the only country down there.  Lesotho, Swaziland, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Zambia, and Botswana are also probable destinations. The first three have not been visited before so there is a probability here. 

TAR for some reason doesn't like to revisit Africa countries, so the last 3 are unlikely.
Zimbabwe might not be the best location to visit...though I like Lesotho and Swaziland!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 31, 2010, 06:11:16 PM
Zimbabwe has its travel warning lifted months ago by the US State Dept.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 31, 2010, 06:17:13 PM
I doubt they would visit Zimbabwe, Swaziland or Lesotho.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 31, 2010, 06:25:51 PM
Zimbabwe is not unstable, check the State Dept Travel Warning site and it will not be listed there.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: AmazingDT on May 31, 2010, 06:52:33 PM
i just thought i throw this in here

http://tweetphoto.com/24979556

stalepopcornau It's like an Amazing Race challenge waiting to happen here in Melbourne http://tweetphoto.com/24979556
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kiwi Jay on May 31, 2010, 07:00:12 PM
I'm pretty sure Ghana is our third leg and Melbourne is just spec, AmazingDT  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: AmazingDT on May 31, 2010, 07:02:12 PM
oh, but what if they set up challenges beforehand?

do they?  :lol: :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Boingo on May 31, 2010, 07:07:15 PM
i just thought i throw this in here

http://tweetphoto.com/24979556

stalepopcornau It's like an Amazing Race challenge waiting to happen here in Melbourne http://tweetphoto.com/24979556

ummm... that's the Melbourne Bike Share program....  :groan:   :res:

http://www.melbournebikeshare.com.au/
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 31, 2010, 07:07:27 PM
oh, but what if they set up challenges beforehand?

do they?  :lol: :duno:

I believe they set them up the day before the racers arrive.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: AmazingDT on May 31, 2010, 07:09:55 PM
i just thought i throw this in here

http://tweetphoto.com/24979556

stalepopcornau It's like an Amazing Race challenge waiting to happen here in Melbourne http://tweetphoto.com/24979556

ummm... that's the Melbourne Bike Share program....  :groan:   :res:

http://www.melbournebikeshare.com.au/


oops 
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on May 31, 2010, 07:43:04 PM
We had lots of chatter about Jo-burg for this season. A LOT . But we discounted most of it thinking that TAR wouldn't want to be there during the World Cup

I was just coming on here to make a post about the World Cup.  They will most likely be avoiding South Africa and any surrounding areas due to the WC, but the speculation that they traveled from England to Ghana got me wondering if they may make it a theme or trend to visit World Cup Nations during this race.  They have been in the US, England, and Ghana.  Just something to keep in mind as more information is brought to our attention.

That is not a bad idea.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 31, 2010, 07:45:09 PM
So Is Ghana the probable 3rd leg?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kiwi Jay on May 31, 2010, 07:54:37 PM
Yes, based on Timelines and they were spotted in Heathrow going to Ghana (probable) so I would speculate:

Leg 1: Boston, Massachusetts to Salisbury, England
Leg 2: Salisbury, England to London or somewhere in U.K
Leg 3: Heathrow to Accra, Ghana

and they may actually follow on to Johannesburg, South Africa
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 31, 2010, 07:58:40 PM
Yes, based on Timelines and they were spotted in Heathrow going to Ghana (probable) so I would speculate:

Leg 1: Boston, Massachusetts to Salisbury, England
Leg 2: Salisbury, England to London or somewhere in U.K
Leg 3: Heathrow to Accra, Ghana

and they may actually follow on to Johannesburg, South Africa
I disagree, as Ghana is believed to be leg 2, and there is no info on Jburg.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on May 31, 2010, 07:59:21 PM
Going to South Africa can work. The actual World Cup doesn't start until June 11. And they could avoid certain cities because of where they're playing.

How long was the layover in the UK? I would assume they'd be done with at least three legs by now. Or in the third leg.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 31, 2010, 08:03:22 PM
Teams were sighted in Heathrow on Friday afternoon, which means only one leg in UK.

Teams have been sighted in a Ghana national park TODAY, which indicates that there are 2 legs in Ghana.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 31, 2010, 08:05:12 PM
We had lots of chatter about Jo-burg for this season. A LOT . But we discounted most of it thinking that TAR wouldn't want to be there during the World Cup

I was just coming on here to make a post about the World Cup.  They will most likely be avoiding South Africa and any surrounding areas due to the WC, but the speculation that they traveled from England to Ghana got me wondering if they may make it a theme or trend to visit World Cup Nations during this race.  They have been in the US, England, and Ghana.  Just something to keep in mind as more information is brought to our attention.

That is not a bad idea.

This may imply that Lome, Togo is the next stop. It's only 3 hours from Accra, so perfectly reasonable.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kiwi Jay on May 31, 2010, 08:13:09 PM
Yes, based on Timelines and they were spotted in Heathrow going to Ghana (probable) so I would speculate:

Leg 1: Boston, Massachusetts to Salisbury, England
Leg 2: Salisbury, England to London or somewhere in U.K
Leg 3: Heathrow to Accra, Ghana

and they may actually follow on to Johannesburg, South Africa
I disagree, as Ghana is believed to be leg 2, and there is no info on Jburg.

No Arun! Ghana is believed to be Leg 3 but 2 legs in Ghana is more feasibile (can't spell that!) and Johannesburg is a possibility but is only spec thus why its in the spec thread!!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on May 31, 2010, 08:20:39 PM
No Arun! Ghana is believed to be Leg 3 but 2 legs in Ghana is more feasibile (can't spell that!) and Johannesburg is a possibility but is only spec thus why its in the spec thread!!!

Which is why I brought up that they could do South Africa if they could find places that weren't in cities that are going to host games in the World Cup. Could they do something like that?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 31, 2010, 08:22:42 PM
Like I said earlier, they could go to rural areas like National Parks or Wildlife Reserves.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Dragoondaniel on May 31, 2010, 08:30:46 PM
Yes, based on Timelines and they were spotted in Heathrow going to Ghana (probable) so I would speculate:

Leg 1: Boston, Massachusetts to Salisbury, England
Leg 2: Salisbury, England to London or somewhere in U.K
Leg 3: Heathrow to Accra, Ghana

and they may actually follow on to Johannesburg, South Africa
I disagree, as Ghana is believed to be leg 2, and there is no info on Jburg.

No Arun! Ghana is believed to be Leg 3 but 2 legs in Ghana is more feasibile (can't spell that!) and Johannesburg is a possibility but is only spec thus why its in the spec thread!!!

Er, from what I read, I'm pretty sure there's only 1 leg in the UK since teams were spotted on 28th May at LHR buying tickets to what peach believes is to Accra, Ghana.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kiwi Jay on May 31, 2010, 08:49:27 PM
28th, that's just one leg! right! I did say that in the second post...

1. England
2. Ghana
3. Ghana
4. Possibly South Africa?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Chateau d If on May 31, 2010, 08:56:13 PM
Yes, based on Timelines and they were spotted in Heathrow going to Ghana (probable) so I would speculate:

Leg 1: Boston, Massachusetts to Salisbury, England
Leg 2: Salisbury, England to London or somewhere in U.K
Leg 3: Heathrow to Accra, Ghana

and they may actually follow on to Johannesburg, South Africa

So if you find out that you have said something is wrong you should indicate it instead of continuing with "No Arun! Ghana is believed to be Leg 3 but 2 legs in Ghana is ... "
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: RichInSydney on May 31, 2010, 09:05:15 PM
28th, that's just one leg! right! I did say that in the second post...

1. England
2. Ghana
3. Ghana
4. Possibly South Africa?
Why the obsession with everyone on here thinking (or wanting) them will go to South Africa?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: michael on May 31, 2010, 09:06:25 PM
28th, that's just one leg! right! I did say that in the second post...

1. England
2. Ghana
3. Ghana
4. Possibly South Africa?
Why the obsession with everyone on here thinking (or wanting) them will go to South Africa?

The world cup...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: RichInSydney on May 31, 2010, 09:12:01 PM
28th, that's just one leg! right! I did say that in the second post...

1. England
2. Ghana
3. Ghana
4. Possibly South Africa?
Why the obsession with everyone on here thinking (or wanting) them will go to South Africa?

The world cup...
I know this is a speculation forum but I think we should wait till we know the next destination. Yes, they could still go to South Africa but they could easily end up in any other country in the World next leg.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on May 31, 2010, 09:24:13 PM
I think it is Digya National Park, which is 2 hours north of Accra.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 31, 2010, 09:30:22 PM
I think it is Digya National Park, which is 2 hours north of Accra.

Actually, it's Kakum National Park.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 31, 2010, 09:55:26 PM
I have a feeling they might return to Europe.  Everytime the race visits a country in West and Northwest Africa, they come in from Europe and go back to Europe after.  Past seasons like TAR3 (Portugal-Spain-Morocco x2 Legs-Germany), TAR6 (Sweden-Senegal-Germany), TAR10 (Ukraine-Morocco-Spain), and TAR12 (Netherlands-Burkina Faso x2 Legs-Lithuania).  I could be right or wrong.  But the most possible flights they would be on going back to Europe would be to Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kiwi Jay on May 31, 2010, 10:02:19 PM
Rich, this is a spec thread. We are able to speculate whatever we want. We don't have to wait to find out the next leg. This is where you can post 'SPEC' not 'SPOILERS' so thats why its here and not in the Destinations/Locations thread. And sorry, Arun. I actually mean the 2nd and 3rd are in Ghana not England so that was wrong!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on May 31, 2010, 10:06:55 PM
We had lots of chatter about Jo-burg for this season. A LOT . But we discounted most of it thinking that TAR wouldn't want to be there during the World Cup. The US Team arrived there Sunday (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3G320100531)

I feel sure we'll see at least 2 African legs...perhaps two even in Ghana? That's what they did in Burkina Fasa.

There are other places in South Africa too than Johannesburg.  Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, East London, Bloemfontein, and Durban.  The FIFA World Cup doesn't begin until June 11, South Africa is still a possibility before then.

I was told not to quote back to back, just edit your first post, so Im going ahead and telling you.

Leave the moderating to the mods please.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: michael on May 31, 2010, 10:08:08 PM
We had lots of chatter about Jo-burg for this season. A LOT . But we discounted most of it thinking that TAR wouldn't want to be there during the World Cup. The US Team arrived there Sunday (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3G320100531)

I feel sure we'll see at least 2 African legs...perhaps two even in Ghana? That's what they did in Burkina Fasa.

There are other places in South Africa too than Johannesburg.  Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, East London, Bloemfontein, and Durban.  The FIFA World Cup doesn't begin until June 11, South Africa is still a possibility before then.

I was told not to quote back to back, just edit your first post, so Im going ahead and telling you.

Leave the moderating to the mods please.

oh snap.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on May 31, 2010, 10:35:16 PM
I have a feeling they might return to Europe.  Everytime the race visits a country in West and Northwest Africa, they come in from Europe and go back to Europe after.  Past seasons like TAR3 (Portugal-Spain-Morocco x2 Legs-Germany), TAR6 (Sweden-Senegal-Germany), TAR10 (Ukraine-Morocco-Spain), and TAR12 (Netherlands-Burkina Faso x2 Legs-Lithuania).  I could be right or wrong.  But the most possible flights they would be on going back to Europe would be to Amsterdam or Frankfurt.

IAWTP. There's much more that Europe could do.
Perhaps a return to East Europe (Belarus or Slovenia?)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on May 31, 2010, 10:36:50 PM
How about Slovakia, Denmark, Latvia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Albania, or Malta.  Or return to Vienna, Austria or Italy (Sardinia, Naples, Venice).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Competitor on May 31, 2010, 11:03:53 PM
I wish they had gone to Italy. Oh well.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: theschnauzers on May 31, 2010, 11:29:16 PM
I think I can make a better argument as to why TAR won't be going near South Africa for a leg this time, and avoid Jo'Burg except as a possible connection point elsewhere.
During this past decade TAR hasn't gone to a country that was holding the Olympics or the World Cup until a later season was filmed afterwards,
Examples:
Sydney (2000 Summer Olympics) TAR 2
Salt Lake (2002 Winter Olympics) TAR 8
Athens (2004 Summer Olympics) TAR 9
Torino (2006 Winter Olympics) TAR 12
Beijing (2008 Summer Games) TAR 14
World Cup (2002) Korea TAR 4
World Cup (2006) Germany TAR 14

There's no question Bert loves taking the Race through Olympic venues; he's plotted it that way enough times; and so far he's batted 1.000 in doing so within a year or two after the event. But he's been very consistent in avoiding those places in the run up to and during those events.

So I think the tendencies are that South Africa and Vancouver will show up in the next year or two; I just don't think the odds are that good for South Africa right now, although Vancouver sould be a wild card towards the end of this race currently being filmed.

I also think that for various reasons, much of east Asia is not as likely this time. Thailand is definitely off the boards until things settle down politically there. India has had problems in the past two years; and the show has been to China twice and Japan twice in recent seasons. Malaysia abd Singapore was visited this past season. Indonesia is a possibility, but the show has avoided there because of the potential for violence. (And you can't go by what the US State Department says. TAR has long relied on its own Security resources to help TPTB decide where to go in relative safety. Which leads me to this - I think the possibility are good for Australia and New Zealand this time around, and perhaps even an eastward route across the south Pacific to South America before the finish line somewhere in the southen or eastern U.S. TPTB have never done it that way, (and they hadn't gone westward across the south Pacific until a few seasons ago) and I think the odds are better for that this time given how quickly they got out of Europe to Africa.

Just my $,02. YMMV.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Competitor on May 31, 2010, 11:36:57 PM

I also think that for various reasons, much of east Asia is not as likely this time. Thailand is definitely off the boards until things settle down politically there. India has had problems in the past two years; and the show has been to China twice and Japan twice in recent seasons. Malaysia abd Singapore was visited this past season. Indonesia is a possibility, but the show has avoided there because of the potential for violence. (And you can't go by what the US State Department says. TAR has long relied on its own Security resources to help TPTB decide where to go in relative safety. Which leads me to this - I think the possibility are good for Australia and New Zealand this time around, and perhaps even an eastward route across the south Pacific to South America before the finish line somewhere in the southen or eastern U.S. TPTB have never done it that way, (and they hadn't gone westward across the south Pacific until a few seasons ago) and I think the odds are better for that this time given how quickly they got out of Europe to Africa.

Just my $,02. YMMV.

I think that this would be fantastic.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on May 31, 2010, 11:47:10 PM
Just my $,02. YMMV.

Good analysis. I like it :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 01, 2010, 12:04:28 AM
I agree that S. Africa is out of the picture. I thought Canada was likely only if it was the first leg, but TAR could be aiming for it towards the end.

I actually think Bangladesh would be a possible location: new country, Indian-style culture. I agree that India is still off-limits.
Other places include Kaohsiung in Taiwan, Jakarta in Indonesia, or Cebu in the Philippines.

I also think Oceania makes sense, but Peach doubts it  :(

Finally, S. America is unlikely to me, but it's possible. Never has S. America been seen in two consecutive installments.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 01, 2010, 12:09:42 AM
peach doubts Australia this time...but NZ could be possible. Doesn't mean I am right though, either way. :lol:

I wouldn't be too quick to r/out Malaysia either.... :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redwings8831 on June 01, 2010, 12:09:58 AM
What about the Galapagos Islands at the end of the race? Technically part of South America but not mainland. Just a thought.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 01, 2010, 12:11:02 AM
peach doubts Australia this time...but NZ could be possible. Doesn't mean I am right though, either way. :lol:

I wouldn't be too quick to r/out Malaysia either.... :duno:

Why doubt Australia? 
I hope for some Pacific island countries that have never been visited.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Zack. on June 01, 2010, 12:25:14 AM
peach doubts Australia this time...but NZ could be possible. Doesn't mean I am right though, either way. :lol:

I wouldn't be too quick to r/out Malaysia either.... :duno:

Perhaps another trip to Malaysian Borneo?

Taiwan would be another good stop (even if it's only been a few seasons since its last visit), as would Manila or Baguio in the Northern Philippines.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 01, 2010, 12:32:30 AM
I still think China is possile ,because everytime they have an all Chinese American team they choose to go to China,maybe chengdu.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 01, 2010, 01:10:23 AM
What about a quick trip to J'burg, then north Africa?
I don't think we should rule out Egypt... :waves:
Didn't there used to be a camel smiley?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 01, 2010, 01:13:39 AM
What about a quick trip to J'burg, then north Africa?
I don't think we should rule out Egypt... :waves:

Definitely. Egypt is full of culture.
But a visit to S. Africa would make the route quite weird...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: RichInSydney on June 01, 2010, 02:04:33 AM
I would like more middle east countries. Jordan, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, even Abu Daubi in the UAE. We also have Brunei which would be an option not visited yet.

I just don't see why they can't come to Australia again. So much else to see. An Ayres Rock leg would be amazing. Perhaps its the New Zealand/Australian rivalry which makes Phil not want to come here often?!?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Competitor on June 01, 2010, 06:18:02 AM
I still think China is possile ,because everytime they have an an all Chinese American team they choose to go to China,maybe chengdu.

I don't think they go to China again.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 01, 2010, 09:07:34 AM
More from our blogger who saw some of the teams at Heathrow May 28th:

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oh ya im very sure the team Green was first cause they were behind me when i was heading up to the departure area(ie.left the ticket counter), and the rest of the teams were still at the counter:)
they then went up to the second level(whr the departure area is) to change some money, but i dont knw what currency..


I think Team Green, aka Team Princeton, aka Team Nassoon is going to become my favorite this season.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: bandsofblue on June 01, 2010, 10:35:23 AM
So I was just looking through some Youtube Videos of Auditions, could this possibly be our Yellow Team?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBRt-0SI7xg

John Burton & Chelsea Tuck. I could be wrong but Chelsea seems to fit... :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: MamaT on June 01, 2010, 11:11:50 AM
I dont think thats them.  Our yellow team is pretty definitely a father/daughter team (she was overheard calling him "dad" at the airport.)  And dad has gray hair.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: milanissimo on June 01, 2010, 02:04:06 PM
How about Slovakia, Denmark, Latvia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Albania, or Malta.  Or return to Vienna, Austria or Italy (Sardinia, Naples, Venice).


I'm Italian ...and .I can only said that here there are some much places to visit....in 16 series ..only 3 times..they came in italy....in 1.rome(but very short task),ferrara,e sant'agata bolognese(a very small city)
in 4 season to milan(but only to find a clue :'( :'(  ),cortina d'ampezzo ,and venice..
in season 9:siracusa(sicily)and pit stop in agrigento
in season 12:vinci,empoli,and pit stop in florence...
there are so much places to visit:Naples(3rd bigger italian city)and capri,ischi,procida.reggia di caserta...
torino(4rd),about 70 km from milan..or genova,portofino,le cinque terre .in the north west..
umbria,marche,and abruzzo (regions in centre italy..with a lot of medieval city...Apennines,,.hill ..etc..)
or trieste,rimini(adriatic cost)..and north east  ..so they can go to slovenia...(which tar has never visited)

so italy ,..slovenia..and later bulgaria....
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TexasLady on June 01, 2010, 02:07:37 PM
What about a quick trip to J'burg, then north Africa?
I don't think we should rule out Egypt... :waves:
Didn't there used to be a camel smiley?

This one?  :camel

 :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 01, 2010, 02:12:04 PM
Benvenuto  to RFF milanissimo!! :waves:

I would love a whole race right in Italy...a place of my heart! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mungobuh on June 01, 2010, 02:13:38 PM
Benvenuto  to RFF milanissimo!! :waves:

I would love a whole race right in Italy...a place of my heart! :hearts:

I second this. Wish the race could go to Assisi, which I've talked about before.

I sincerely hope they come through Italy when I'm there...two days until I arrive!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: tlallstar6 on June 01, 2010, 02:24:46 PM
That is not a bad idea.

Thanks, I guess time will tell if there is any chance of them doing this.  I think it would be really neat to have them visit some of the World Cup countries. 

Other African Nations in the World Cup include:

Cameroon, Cote d'Ivoire, Algeria, Nigeria, and South Africa

Just something to keep an eye on after they move on from Ghana
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 01, 2010, 02:26:14 PM
Malta/Naples and Trieste/Slovenia are good combos indeed.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: milanissimo on June 01, 2010, 02:43:09 PM
Malta/Naples and Trieste/Slovenia are good combos indeed.

Naples malta..  by ferry..possible...but it's about 500 km ...the same distance of  lubiana(slovenia)-naples...
trieste slovenia is very near....20-30 km...they can make bologna(another very  important -historical city )-trieste-slovenia..(a double leg)

Assisi...is a religious.turistic place..(italy is full of place like this...)

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: milanissimo on June 01, 2010, 02:45:52 PM
Benvenuto  to RFF milanissimo!! :waves:

I would love a whole race right in Italy...a place of my heart! :hearts:


ohhh welcome in italian.....thank you.... :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 01, 2010, 02:57:16 PM
That is not a bad idea.

Thanks, I guess time will tell if there is any chance of them doing this.  I think it would be really neat to have them visit some of the World Cup countries. 

Other African Nations in the World Cup include:

Cameroon, Cote d'Ivoire, Algeria, Nigeria, and South Africa

Just something to keep an eye on after they move on from Ghana

Crossed out countries have travel warnings and thus are highly not likely to be visited.
Seriously, though, I can't seem them making S. Africa in this race.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on June 01, 2010, 03:06:32 PM
That is not a bad idea.

Thanks, I guess time will tell if there is any chance of them doing this.  I think it would be really neat to have them visit some of the World Cup countries. 

Other African Nations in the World Cup include:

Cameroon, Cote d'Ivoire, Algeria, Nigeria, and South Africa

Just something to keep an eye on after they move on from Ghana

Crossed out countries have travel warnings and thus are highly not likely to be visited.
Seriously, though, I can't seem them making S. Africa in this race.

Probably Togo then Cameroon (a west africa 3 legs)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: tlallstar6 on June 01, 2010, 03:16:29 PM
Thanks, I guess time will tell if there is any chance of them doing this.  I think it would be really neat to have them visit some of the World Cup countries. 

Other African Nations in the World Cup include:

Cameroon, Cote d'Ivoire, Algeria, Nigeria, and South Africa

Just something to keep an eye on after they move on from Ghana

Crossed out countries have travel warnings and thus are highly not likely to be visited.
Seriously, though, I can't seem them making S. Africa in this race.


Thanks! I wasn't sure where I would go to look for travel warnings and other things that would keep the race out of those countries.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 01, 2010, 04:29:51 PM
Regarding the latest tweets from ababuo12:

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# Excuse me I was mistaken they are headed to Rome at 11:45 via Alitalia sorry I thought I onlysaw 1 flight at that time but there must be 2     42 minutes ago  via Twitter for BlackBerry®

    * Reply
    * Retweet

#
 
@mookiejoahnes 11:45 it leave tonight to cairo they are flying egyptair I think? Could be wrong only work in food court about 1 hour ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® in reply to mookiejoahnes

    * Reply
    * Retweet



Both of those flights exist, although that doesn't confirm the sighting.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 01, 2010, 04:38:55 PM
Regarding the latest tweets from ababuo12:

Quote
# Excuse me I was mistaken they are headed to Rome at 11:45 via Alitalia sorry I thought I onlysaw 1 flight at that time but there must be 2     42 minutes ago  via Twitter for BlackBerry®

    * Reply
    * Retweet

#
 
@mookiejoahnes 11:45 it leave tonight to cairo they are flying egyptair I think? Could be wrong only work in food court about 1 hour ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® in reply to mookiejoahnes

    * Reply
    * Retweet



Both of those flights exist, although that doesn't confirm the sighting.

it's starting to look like another red herring, story is going a bit wobbly....
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 01, 2010, 05:02:03 PM
The time is now 10PM in Ghana.

*IF* the sighting is genuine and the teams were spotted at the airport, then the only planes left to fly tonight are
Johannesburg (SA 53    dep 11:00 PM)      
Cairo (MS 882 dep 11:45 PM)
Rome (AZ 845 dep 11:45PM)

Cairo does tie in with some other independent information I have heard, but we still have to treat all of this as just speculation until we get something a little more concrete to prove or disprove the sighting.


Shame Accra airport doesn't have live webcam footage... :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 01, 2010, 05:03:17 PM
More from our blogger who saw some of the teams at Heathrow May 28th:

Quote
oh ya im very sure the team Green was first cause they were behind me when i was heading up to the departure area(ie.left the ticket counter), and the rest of the teams were still at the counter:)
they then went up to the second level(whr the departure area is) to change some money, but i dont knw what currency..


I think Team Green, aka Team Princeton, aka Team Nassoon is going to become my favorite this season.
Because an alpha team expected to dominate the race is just the team to root for.  Great taste. :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 01, 2010, 05:12:18 PM
Because an alpha team expected to dominate the race is just the team to root for.  Great taste. :groan:

I'm a singer, what can I say?  And yeah, I'm probably the most tasteless guy you'll ever encounter.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 01, 2010, 05:15:02 PM
Because an alpha team expected to dominate the race is just the team to root for.  Great taste. :groan:

I'm a singer, what can I say?
Oh.  That makes more sense, then.

And even then, a friend of theirs on Sucks stated they're more beta than alpha, anyway (more a Gary & Dave/Zev & Justin/Dan & Jordan type of team), so that's . . . better, I guess.  Makes the field a bit more level.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 01, 2010, 05:21:13 PM
The time is now 10PM in Ghana.

*IF* the sighting is genuine and the teams were spotted at the airport, then the only planes left to fly tonight are
Johannesburg (SA 53    dep 11:00 PM)      
Cairo (MS 882 dep 11:45 PM)
Rome (AZ 845 dep 11:45PM)

Cairo does tie in with some other independent information I have heard, but we still have to treat all of this as just speculation until we get something a little more concrete to prove or disprove the sighting.


Shame Accra airport doesn't have live webcam footage... :lol:

Estimated local Arrival Times (EDT as noted) are:

Jo'berg SA53 7:10 am (1:10 am Eastern)
Cairo MS882 8:30 am (1:30 am Eastern)
Rome AZ845 7:20 am (1:20 am Eastern)

Do they have webcams in those airports?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on June 01, 2010, 08:37:50 PM
don't know if this has been said on any of the threads

someone or should i say some people(s), tried to edit the thread in wikipedia a few days ago, revealed the route in TAR 17.

episode 1: Seattle, USA To Vancouver, Canada
episode 2: Vancouver, Canada To Whitehorse, Yukon (Canada)
episode 3: Whitehorse, Yukon (Canada) To Sheffield, England
episode 4: Sheffield, England To Debrecen, Hungary
Episode 5: Debrecen, Hungary To Budapest, Hungary
episode 6: Budapest, Hungary To Accra, Ghana
episode 7: Accra, Ghana To Lome, Toga
episode 8: Lome, Toga To Dubai, UAE
episode 9: Dubai, UAE To Colombo, Sri Lanka
episode 10: Colombo, Sri Lanka To Canberra, Australia
episode 11: Canberra, Australia To Brisbane, Australia
episode 12: Brisbane, Australia To Los Angeles, USA
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 01, 2010, 08:38:42 PM
Not the real route.  Sorry.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on June 01, 2010, 09:23:25 PM
Well u never noe with all of the technology we hve what can be right and wht is wrong.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: arun1125 on June 01, 2010, 09:29:47 PM
 :groan: Mistake sorrty.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 01, 2010, 10:44:26 PM
Something doesn't jive though. It's not easy to get from Accra to Stockholm in a short amount of time...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 01, 2010, 10:46:16 PM
Something doesn't jive though. It's not easy to get from Accra to Stockholm in a short amount of time...

Unless you fly through Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: theschnauzers on June 01, 2010, 10:55:01 PM
FWIW, it might be only some, but not all teams were connecting through Stockholm, in which case flights from those two European cities that may be headed to the same places as a flight from Stockholm could make sense.

The last time we had teams fly on their own somewhere with different connections was when the teams flew to Hamburg from Patagonia last season. (The timing's about right, leg wise.)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 01, 2010, 11:12:39 PM
Something doesn't jive though. It's not easy to get from Accra to Stockholm in a short amount of time...

Unless you fly through Amsterdam or Frankfurt.

Taking this to spec. If Ghana is really the second country, then Copenhagen is unlikely (direct flights from Amsterdam).

The only other Eastern Europe city with a flight that leaves Stockholm is Riga.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 01, 2010, 11:23:22 PM
If Stockholm is genuine, Accra departure is out.  The only earlier flight was to Amsterdam, but it just landed less than an hour ago.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 02, 2010, 01:00:15 AM
FWIW, it might be only some, but not all teams were connecting through Stockholm, in which case flights from those two European cities that may be headed to the same places as a flight from Stockholm could make sense.

The last time we had teams fly on their own somewhere with different connections was when the teams flew to Hamburg from Patagonia last season. (The timing's about right, leg wise.)

They flew from Patagonia to Frankfurt, then took a train to Hamburg.  The person who witness teams at the Stockholm Airport early morning took pics.  Then we will see the pics and judge for our selves.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 02, 2010, 01:09:48 AM
If it was 4am in Sweden around that time of the post, it would have been 7pm here where I live, western United States (Pacific Standard Time)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redwings8831 on June 02, 2010, 10:30:57 AM
If it was 4am in Sweden around that time of the post, it would have been 7pm here where I live, western United States (Pacific Standard Time)

Why does that matter?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 02, 2010, 10:45:21 AM
The teams were spotted in the airport in Accra on May 31.
Have asked for more information... please don't overwhelm them with requests!
http://jacobsenjourneys.blogspot.com/2010/06/were-here.html

Hopefully we'll hear back.  There must have been some flight delays or problems.  The 9:55 flight from Accra was probably Lufthansa to Frankfurt.  There, they should have been able to connect to a flight arriving in Seattle around noon.  They say they got to Seattle around 6 pm, though.  (Not questioning the sighting, just saying.)

If they saw the teams on 05/31, they may have been arriving and then only had one leg in Ghana.  Of course, the 06/01 departure sighting still hasn't been positively confirmed.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 02, 2010, 10:59:33 AM
The teams were spotted in the airport in Accra on May 31.
Have asked for more information... please don't overwhelm them with requests!
http://jacobsenjourneys.blogspot.com/2010/06/were-here.html

Hopefully we'll hear back.  There must have been some flight delays or problems.  The 9:55 flight from Accra was probably Lufthansa to Frankfurt.  There, they should have been able to connect to a flight arriving in Seattle around noon.  They say they got to Seattle around 6 pm, though.  (Not questioning the sighting, just saying.)

If they saw the teams on 05/31, they may have been arriving and then only had one leg in Ghana.  Of course, the 06/01 departure sighting still hasn't been positively confirmed.
The Jacobsons flew from Accra to Frankfurt (LH557) to Chicago (LH430) to Seattle (UA575?).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 02, 2010, 12:07:47 PM
If it was 4am in Sweden around that time of the post, it would have been 7pm here where I live, western United States (Pacific Standard Time)

Why does that matter?

It doesn't. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redwings8831 on June 02, 2010, 12:13:09 PM
If it was 4am in Sweden around that time of the post, it would have been 7pm here where I live, western United States (Pacific Standard Time)

Why does that matter?

It doesn't. :lol:

Then why does he post random comments like those.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 02, 2010, 01:01:11 PM
If it was 4am in Sweden around that time of the post, it would have been 7pm here where I live, western United States (Pacific Standard Time)

Why does that matter?

It doesn't. :lol:

Then why does he post random comments like those.

Feel free to ask him if you like...but let's try to stay on topic here...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 02, 2010, 01:19:41 PM
The teams were spotted in the airport in Accra on May 31.
Have asked for more information... please don't overwhelm them with requests!
http://jacobsenjourneys.blogspot.com/2010/06/were-here.html

Hopefully we'll hear back.  There must have been some flight delays or problems.  The 9:55 flight from Accra was probably Lufthansa to Frankfurt.  There, they should have been able to connect to a flight arriving in Seattle around noon.  They say they got to Seattle around 6 pm, though.  (Not questioning the sighting, just saying.)

If they saw the teams on 05/31, they may have been arriving and then only had one leg in Ghana.  Of course, the 06/01 departure sighting still hasn't been positively confirmed.

Is production still on a 3 week schedule? Because if there's only one leg in Ghana, then this race's pace isn't as rushed...

Let's look at the timeline again: Teams arrived in Accra on 5/29 early morning. Give them 12 hours to do tasks, they'll be at the pit stop by 5:00 P.M.

There would still be ~48 hours until the airport sighting. Even if there was a ~36 hour pit stop, they'd be waiting for about 12 hours in the airport... I think a 3rd leg is probable.

And we still have no idea what flight teams were on (I'm doubting Stockholm).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 02, 2010, 02:07:59 PM
:lol: This is so ridiculous

Kenny and Kevin
Jonathan and Connor
Gary and Mallory
Chad and Stephanie
Megan and Jennifer

All in bold are Pageant females...Oh they're all Pageant girls... :groan:

They all saw how well Caite did last season and wanted to get in on the fun.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 02, 2010, 02:30:25 PM
:lol: This is so ridiculous

Kenny and Kevin
Jonathan and Connor
Gary and Mallory
Chad and Stephanie
Megan and Jennifer

All in bold are Pageant females...Oh they're all Pageant girls... :groan:

Let's see if they'll beat TAR 5's record.
They all saw how well Caite did last season and wanted to get in on the fun.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 02, 2010, 02:43:26 PM
If it was 4am in Sweden around that time of the post, it would have been 7pm here where I live, western United States (Pacific Standard Time)

Why does that matter?

It doesn't. :lol:

Then why does he post random comments like those.

Feel free to ask him if you like...but let's try to stay

Con topic here...

Caelestor had a post on the sightings thread claiming it was 4am there during the sighting.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 02, 2010, 07:01:54 PM
Found a tweet posted 5 hrs ago

amazing race era alla Grotta Azzurra di oggi....

-translation-
Amazing Race was at the Blue Grotto today (italian)

Blue Grotto is on the island of Capri, near Naples.

If my calculation is correct, this would have been about 7:00 PM Capri Time.  Since the Accra - Rome flight arrived around 7:00 AM Rome Time, this seems reasonable.

Or are my calculations off?  (I'm assuming Rome and Capri are in the same time zone.)

PS - if this is a good sighting, it lends credence to the Accra tweets.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 02, 2010, 07:05:28 PM
Found a tweet posted 5 hrs ago

amazing race era alla Grotta Azzurra di oggi....

-translation-
Amazing Race was at the Blue Grotto today (italian)

Blue Grotto is on the island of Capri, near Naples.

If my calculation is correct, this would have been about 7:00 PM Capri Time.  Since the Accra - Rome flight arrived around 7:00 AM Rome Time, this seems reasonable.

Or are my calculations off?  (I'm assuming Rome and Capri are in the same time zone.)

PS - if this is a good sighting, it lends credence to the Accra tweets.

The tweet was today (June 2) they left Accra on May 31st.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 02, 2010, 07:07:29 PM
The tweet was today (June 2) they left Accra on May 31st.

Oh, I didn't realize this had all been confirmed.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 02, 2010, 07:09:15 PM
The tweet was today (June 2) they left Accra on May 31st.
Oh, I didn't realize this had all been confirmed.

If the blogger is not lying, then yes, they left on the 31st. The question is, where...

If it was 4am in Sweden around that time of the post, it would have been 7pm here where I live, western United States (Pacific Standard Time)

Why does that matter?

It doesn't. :lol:

Then why does he post random comments like those.

Feel free to ask him if you like...but let's try to stay

Con topic here...

Caelestor had a post on the sightings thread claiming it was 4am there during the sighting.

I reasoned that the guy should be SLEEPING at 4 am. Thus, I think he may be lying.

Regarding Capri, I also say take it with a grain of salt, however, until there is photo evidence.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 02, 2010, 07:19:00 PM
The teams were spotted in the airport in Accra on May 31.
Have asked for more information... please don't overwhelm them with requests!

Have we heard back from these bloggers yet?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 03, 2010, 08:38:09 AM
The teams were spotted in the airport in Accra on May 31.
Have asked for more information... please don't overwhelm them with requests!

Have we heard back from these bloggers yet?
Nothing yet - I'm sure they're recovering from their long journey still.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 03, 2010, 10:33:40 AM
I just reviewed all of ababuo12's Tweets....

Have to say that I think these deserve a close look. There is no reason someone can't have two jobs, right?

We all need to be alert, it is very sad that false spoilers are being used so much. But I think I am going to go on the "innocent until proven guilty" track...and really look at everything as a possibility. Heeeee...  More spoiling for us!!

SO let's use our Detective skills... are there any other mentions out there? Can we start looking around that park?

Cairo on the other hand, is apparently not looking much like an option anymore. :(
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 03, 2010, 11:36:43 AM
Is it possible the flew to Sao Tome through Accra, then back to Accra for a leg in Ghana?

Hopefully we'll pin down some of these sightings and get a clearer picture.



ADD: looking at airport info, this seems improbable.  In fact Sao Tome is hard to get to, so I'm thinking that's totally out of the question.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 03, 2010, 12:10:54 PM
Sorry if this is duplicate info -- I have been away for a couple days and will be away again shortly, so I haven't gotten a good read-thru of the threads. But here is ababuo12's twitpic compared with another shot from Kakum National Park in Ghana. The twitpic (first pic below) is definitely from Kakum -- the question is whether ababuo12 really took it or not.

The EXIF data on her photo is from 2009.  I think she just posted a stock photo of the park.  She says her friend may have taken a photo.  We shall see.

PS - I agree with Peach, I think she might be genuine.  Hopefully we can get corroboration.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 03, 2010, 01:16:28 PM
Updated Speculated Timeline:

5/26-5/27: Boston to Salisburg, UK
5/28-5/29: Accra, Ghana
5/30: Kakum National Park, Ghana
5/31-6/1: Capri, Italy

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 03, 2010, 01:50:00 PM
Updated Speculated Timeline:

5/26-5/27: Boston to Salisburg, UK
5/28-5/29: Accra, Ghana
5/30: Kakum National Park, Ghana
5/31-6/1: Capri, Italy

Correct me if I'm wrong.
If the sighting in Accra airport on the evening of May 31 is correct - they may have taken the flight to Frankfurt ( LH 567 Lufthansa scheduled arrive: 06:30 Actual arrive: 06:38)  which hooks them up nicely with a flight from Frankfurt to Naples - (LH 4080 Lufthansa    Scheduled depart: 07:45 Actual depart: 07:57 )

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 03, 2010, 04:02:36 PM
More re Italy in response to Q's:

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June 2, mostly around 4 o'clock. I could not see how the teams arrived because i was by the actual grotto not at the dock where their boats left from. They didnt stay in the cave for more then 10 minutes im assuming they just had to go in and get their clue. Although one team member did come out wet for each team. No im sorry i do not have any pictures but there was media around so i could check local newspapers if you would like? Nope i do not mind you sharing the info im happy to help! It was my dream to go on this show.


So if this is real, did they fly into Rome or Naples?

One of the possible flights was from Accra, Ghana to Rome, but they could have been en route to Naples, too.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 03, 2010, 04:24:24 PM
More re Italy in response to Q's:

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June 2, mostly around 4 o'clock. I could not see how the teams arrived because i was by the actual grotto not at the dock where their boats left from. They didnt stay in the cave for more then 10 minutes im assuming they just had to go in and get their clue. Although one team member did come out wet for each team. No im sorry i do not have any pictures but there was media around so i could check local newspapers if you would like? Nope i do not mind you sharing the info im happy to help! It was my dream to go on this show.


So if this is real, did they fly into Rome or Naples?

One of the possible flights was from Accra, Ghana to Rome, but they could have been en route to Naples, too.
The Accra -> Rome flight was if they left Accra on June 1. There was no direct flight to Rome if they left on May 31.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 03, 2010, 08:18:08 PM
More re Italy in response to Q's:

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June 2, mostly around 4 o'clock. I could not see how the teams arrived because i was by the actual grotto not at the dock where their boats left from. They didnt stay in the cave for more then 10 minutes im assuming they just had to go in and get their clue. Although one team member did come out wet for each team. No im sorry i do not have any pictures but there was media around so i could check local newspapers if you would like? Nope i do not mind you sharing the info im happy to help! It was my dream to go on this show.


So if this is real, did they fly into Rome or Naples?

One of the possible flights was from Accra, Ghana to Rome, but they could have been en route to Naples, too.
The Accra -> Rome flight was if they left Accra on June 1. There was no direct flight to Rome if they left on May 31.

Iam guessing they flew Accra-Frankfurt-Naples via Lufthansa
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 04, 2010, 04:22:28 AM
If the sighting in Accra airport on the evening of May 31 is correct - they may have taken the flight to Frankfurt ( LH 567 Lufthansa scheduled arrive: 06:30 Actual arrive: 06:38)  which hooks them up nicely with a flight from Frankfurt to Naples - (LH 4080 Lufthansa    Scheduled depart: 07:45 Actual depart: 07:57 )



Considering that the blog sighting seems legit, I am now assuming a return to Italy, which I believe consistently produces TAR's best legs.  :wohoo:

To expand upon my past timeline, it appears that teams arrived in Naples on June 1st for a leg.
However, the Capri sighting was dated 4:00 P.M. on June 2nd. Capri is a 40-80 minute ferry ride from Naples, so I would like to speculate the 4th leg was in Naples and that the 5th leg was in Capri.


5/26-5/27: Boston to Salisburg, UK
5/28-5/29: Accra, Ghana
5/30: Kakum National Park, Ghana
5/31-6/1: Naples, Italy
6/2: Capri, Italy

Though these are all new destinations and I applaud the producers for not rehashing, TAR should visit more countries on its route or it may face backlash from some viewers...

P.S. I do think that there is an extended pit stop after Leg 5, and that teams should be in transit currently. They probably returned to Naples for flights.

P.S.S. I think Ghana is our only African country. Oh well!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 04, 2010, 01:07:57 PM
If the sighting in Accra airport on the evening of May 31 is correct - they may have taken the flight to Frankfurt ( LH 567 Lufthansa scheduled arrive: 06:30 Actual arrive: 06:38)  which hooks them up nicely with a flight from Frankfurt to Naples - (LH 4080 Lufthansa    Scheduled depart: 07:45 Actual depart: 07:57 )



Considering that the blog sighting seems legit, I am now assuming a return to Italy, which I believe consistently produces TAR's best legs.  :wohoo:

To expand upon my past timeline, it appears that teams arrived in Naples on June 1st for a leg.
However, the Capri sighting was dated 4:00 P.M. on June 2nd. Capri is a 40-80 minute ferry ride from Naples, so I would like to speculate the 4th leg was in Naples and that the 5th leg was in Capri.


5/26-5/27: Boston to Salisburg, UK
5/28-5/29: Accra, Ghana
5/30: Kakum National Park, Ghana
5/31-6/1: Naples, Italy
6/2: Capri, Italy

Though these are all new destinations and I applaud the producers for not rehashing, TAR should visit more countries on its route or it may face backlash from some viewers...

P.S. I do think that there is an extended pit stop after Leg 5, and that teams should be in transit currently. They probably returned to Naples for flights.

P.S.S. I think Ghana is our only African country. Oh well!

Maybe not!  They could return to Africa like to Tanzania.  The race had only visited this country twice.  TAR5 (Kilamanjaro) and TAR11 (Zanzibar/Dar es Salaam).  They could visit Dodoma, Mwanza, or return to Dar es Salaam and do a leg there.  It could be a possibility. 
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 04, 2010, 01:46:52 PM
Well, TAR doesn't reuse African countries often. There are only 3 exceptions: S. Africa, Morocco, and Tanzania.

Personally, I'm expecting Belgrade/Sofia, but Cairo/Alexandria is feasible.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 05, 2010, 04:46:59 PM
Why don't you read over the last few posts and you will see the sighting information?  It is a courtesy to your fellow posters to read the thread before you ask questions.

And this is a work in progress...we have two sightings in Stockholm airport now that nicely bookmark arrival and departure if they are correct. AND we have Phil in a place where he can spend some time on the Internet, suggesting an extended Pitstop. Our work is just beginning.

So let's go to speculation with further discussion, and maybe some of you all can start trying to research Stockholm photos, blogs etc for us?? :yess:

The first Stockholm sighting was around the 2nd?  The most current one was today?  Between these places, did they do 2 legs in Sweden the??
 :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 05, 2010, 08:10:05 PM
Why don't you read over the last few posts and you will see the sighting information?  It is a courtesy to your fellow posters to read the thread before you ask questions.

And this is a work in progress...we have two sightings in Stockholm airport now that nicely bookmark arrival and departure if they are correct. AND we have Phil in a place where he can spend some time on the Internet, suggesting an extended Pitstop. Our work is just beginning.

So let's go to speculation with further discussion, and maybe some of you all can start trying to research Stockholm photos, blogs etc for us?? :yess:

The first Stockholm sighting was around the 2nd?  The most current one was today?  Between these places, did they do 2 legs in Sweden the??
 :duno:

I thought some of our posters might need a reminder of what it means to "Take it to Speculation."

So here it is.  Quote the spoiler you want to respond to, then copy the entire quote.  Then navigate to the Speculation thread, and paste the quote into the reply box.

Voila!  Now your reply is in the correct thread.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 05, 2010, 09:38:48 PM
I don't think they went to Stockholm since they have  been there in S15.
Maybe they went to Uppsala?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 05, 2010, 10:11:42 PM
I don't think they went to Stockholm since they have  been there in S15.
Maybe they went to Uppsala?


Maybe Kiruna/Lapland or Gothenburg, even Gotland.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Seattlite on June 05, 2010, 11:30:54 PM
I am sitting here in London trying to figure out when they might be leaving St. Petersberg.  I am heading home tomorrow and will have about 4 hours in terminal 5 to watch out for them.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on June 06, 2010, 12:15:40 AM
Just a little speculation on the finish line of Amazing Race 17.......

Two possibilities if TAR17 follows pattern of TAR16.....

#1...
American Stonehenge
Salem, New Hampshire
approximately 35 miles from Logan International Airport
Boston, Mass

#2
Georgia Guidestones
Elberton, Georgia
approximately 130 miles from Hartsfield International Airport
Atlanta, Georgia

I truly hope, for GeorgiaPeach's sake....it is the latter.

JUST SPECULATION
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 06, 2010, 12:16:58 AM
I think Australia is very possible because I don't think they will go to 4 Asia coustries.
England,Ghana,Sweden,Russia...then I think will go to Asia coustries.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 06, 2010, 12:43:49 AM
I think Australia is very possible because I don't think they will go to 4 Asia coustries.
England,Ghana,Sweden,Russia...then I think will go to Asia coustries.

What Asian countries they haven't visited yet that is safe?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 06, 2010, 01:01:28 AM
I think Australia is very possible because I don't think they will go to 4 Asia coustries.
England,Ghana,Sweden,Russia...then I think will go to Asia coustries.

What Asian countries they haven't visited yet that is safe?

Bangladesh. TAR is on an Indian dry spell due to travel alerts, so I think Dhaka is a very possible destination.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 06, 2010, 01:04:45 AM
I think Australia is very possible because I don't think they will go to 4 Asia coustries.
England,Ghana,Sweden,Russia...then I think will go to Asia coustries.

What Asian countries they haven't visited yet that is safe?

Bangladesh. TAR is on an Indian dry spell due to travel alerts, so I think Dhaka is a very possible destination.

Laos, Maldives, Brunei, Indonesia possible?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redskevin88 on June 06, 2010, 02:30:06 AM
I think Australia is very possible because I don't think they will go to 4 Asia coustries.
England,Ghana,Sweden,Russia...then I think will go to Asia coustries.

What Asian countries they haven't visited yet that is safe?

Bangladesh. TAR is on an Indian dry spell due to travel alerts, so I think Dhaka is a very possible destination.

Laos, Maldives, Brunei, Indonesia possible?

I would love Indonesia, but it is quite unsafe at the moment due to terror threats. Brunei is possible, Laos would be hell to fly there (plus most common connections are through Thailand, if the yellow/red shirts shut down the airport?), Maldives unlikely, too remote. 
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 06, 2010, 02:49:29 AM
I now understand why TAR didn't visit Belgium: There's a major split between the French-speaking South and the Flemish-North. Slight chaos going on there with all the elections.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: krabbe on June 06, 2010, 02:53:48 AM
Whoa the race route is quite frantic this season, from Europe to Africa back to Europe again. I would've thought they'd proceed to the Middle East from Africa. Maybe they went back to Europe as Plan B because of the current Middle East problems?
From Russia they can go to one of the Central Asian countries (Tajikistan or Turkmenistan are not in the Travel Warning list, or they could come back to Kazakhstan or Mongolia). There's a travel warning to India & Philippines, Thailand is having problems in the capital, China's been in the last season, Sri Lanka's travel warning was only recently cancelled (but too late for race planning). So either to Central Asia or Japan, Vietnam, South Korea, Taiwan, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Macau.
Agree about Laos, although this could still be a race destination, if they travel overland from say, Vietnam. I think the problems are just concentrated in Bangkok.

ETA: direct flights from St.Petersburg international airport (Pulkovo-2) to Asian countries are to Almaty (Kazakhstan), Beijing, Bishkek (Kyrgyzstan), Istanbul, Seoul, Tokyo, Tel Aviv.
Istanbul, Tel Aviv & Bishkek are highly unlikely, so...
But via Moscow, there are more possibilities.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 06, 2010, 02:59:12 AM
China is still possible since they came to China in TAR10,TAR11,
 and came to India in TAR12,TAR13,TAR14.
If they come to China again ,I  hope they don't visit those cities they have visited so many times.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: krabbe on June 06, 2010, 03:29:09 AM
China is the new India!  :lol:
Yeah, if they ended up visiting China again, I do hope they go to new places like Urumqi or Shangrila.

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Glamazon Racer on June 06, 2010, 08:15:38 AM
China is the new India!  :lol:
Yeah, if they ended up visiting China again, I do hope they go to new places like Urumqi or Shangrila.


Even Russia is becoming the new India! Two legs in each of TARs 13 & 14, and now again this season. :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 06, 2010, 09:57:31 AM
Sri Lanka was safe in the South; TAR 6 (back when the producers were bold) thus visited half the island. I still don't think TAR would want to go back; it feels like one of those one-time countries.

Chiang Mai and Bangkok are both in chaos, so yeah, no Thailand.

I'm less surprised that TAR went to Russia and more interested they apparently had 2 legs in Sweden again. I see Uppsala as a possible destination.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: diRkdARyL on June 06, 2010, 10:37:58 AM
mongolia?? or central asian countries??
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: ibukifu02 on June 06, 2010, 02:23:51 PM
I think Australia is very possible because I don't think they will go to 4 Asia coustries.
England,Ghana,Sweden,Russia...then I think will go to Asia coustries.

What Asian countries they haven't visited yet that is safe?

Bangladesh. TAR is on an Indian dry spell due to travel alerts, so I think Dhaka is a very possible destination.

Laos, Maldives, Brunei, Indonesia possible?

I would love Indonesia, but it is quite unsafe at the moment due to terror threats. Brunei is possible, Laos would be hell to fly there (plus most common connections are through Thailand, if the yellow/red shirts shut down the airport?), Maldives unlikely, too remote. 

What about Japan? They could use Japan as a final destination and swing around to the US so its like a round the world race literally.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 06, 2010, 02:41:41 PM
The Maldives are not too remote.  They could get to there via Dubai.  Indonesia is possible because things have toned down there in recent years and its safe to travel there.  Laos could be accessible by plane from Guangzhou and HCMC.  There hasn't been much news in Bangkok since then, the clashes has toned down a bit, Suvanabhumi Airport in Bangkok is safe if they were transiting through.  For the Middle East: Jordan, Qatar, and Bahrain are possibilities as well the United Arab Emirates (Abu Dhabi).  If they will visit China again; I like to see them visit Wuhan, Guangzhou, Haikou, and Harbin.  For Japan, cities like Nagoya, Sapporo, Okinawa, Kobe, Hiroshima, Nagano, Fukuoka, and Kyoto should get a visit too. 
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 06, 2010, 08:28:08 PM
I have posted the full info for this in the Live thread, but am sure there will be specualtion on the identity of the running team.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/Stockholm/TAR17Stockholmsighting6-1-10.jpg)

We have had a team working on this pretty much all day :thankyou: ...and here is what we have. (And we now have a reference file of backpacks for most of the teams, so don't hesitate to ask if you need one!)

For comparison, here are some of the F/F teams backpacks.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/backpacks/caps0143blue1pink2-1.jpg)(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/backpacks/caps0597-1.jpg)(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/backpacks/teamsmarked0003.jpg)(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/backpacks/teamgrey.jpg)
We don't have a good one of team RED yet...still looking.



And here is team Limegreen:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/Stockholm/TAR17teamlimegreenbackpacksairports.jpg)(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/backpacks/limegreenbackpacks.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 06, 2010, 08:40:56 PM
The M/M team is Team Nassau, correct?

Uppsala is a quick train ride from Arlanda.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 06, 2010, 08:53:29 PM
The M/M team is Team Nassau, correct?



That is Connor and Jonathan, I have no idea who Team Nassau is?? ???
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 06, 2010, 08:56:50 PM
The M/M team is Team Nassau, correct?



That is Connor and Jonathan, I have no idea who Team Nassau is?? ???

Yes, I refer to the Princeton grads are Team Nassau. IDK, someone else on the forum calls them that.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 06, 2010, 09:07:56 PM
Team Nassoons maybe, which is the Princeton a capella singing group they belong to.

http://www.princeton.edu/~nassoons/

There is no team Nassau. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: AmazingDT on June 06, 2010, 09:11:58 PM
the backpacks look like team lime green but the hair doesnt seem to be blonde
im guessing its probably red
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 06, 2010, 09:17:04 PM
They look like try to find conncet flight.Maybe fly to somewhere in sweden?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 06, 2010, 09:24:43 PM
They look like try to find conncet flight.Maybe fly to somewhere in sweden?

My guess is that they were either totally lost in the terminal (hard to do with all the signs) or were looking for a connecting flight.

So I do think they will leave Stockholm (SPEC) but I wish they would use a train or a ferry.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redwings8831 on June 06, 2010, 09:28:25 PM
They look like try to find conncet flight.Maybe fly to somewhere in sweden?

My guess is that they were either totally lost in the terminal (hard to do with all the signs) or were looking for a connecting flight.

So I do think they will leave Stockholm (SPEC) but I wish they would use a train or a ferry.

A leg in northern Sweden (Lulea) and then one in northern Finland (Rovaniemi) would be amazing. Though if that happened, then there would be no need for the second sighting in Stockholm, but since there was, I have no idea.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 06, 2010, 09:31:13 PM
I guess 7 teams fly to Russia.
Since England-Ghana(1)-Ghana(2)-Sweden(1)-Sweden(2)-Russia,contain one non-emilination leg...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Neobie on June 06, 2010, 09:33:23 PM
If the teams arrived in Stockholm on LH 3000 at 9.45am, they should be in absolutely no hurry to get onto the connecting flight to Tallinn (departing at 12.30pm) or Reykjavik (departing at 2.10pm). All other countries in Europe (I checked all 49) are better served from Frankfurt than from Stockholm. These clues strongly suggest that Sweden is the final destination country (even if Stockholm is not the final destination city), at least for Leg 4.

What I hope to see, though, is that teams travel overland (or over-sea) for Leg 5, ending up in Norway, or better yet, Denmark. Getting from these two countries to St Petersburg on 5 Jun does require a connection in Stockholm. (Riga and Helsinki, on the other hand, do not.) The timeline suggests that Legs 4 and 5 might not be too geographically close to one another, if the extra day was not a result of Eyjafjallajokull screwing things up...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 06, 2010, 09:39:55 PM
If the teams arrived in Stockholm on LH 3000 at 9.45am, they should be in absolutely no hurry to get onto the connecting flight to Tallinn (departing at 12.30pm) or Reykjavik (departing at 2.10pm). All other countries in Europe (I checked all 49) are better served from Frankfurt than from Stockholm. These clues strongly suggest that Sweden is the final destination country (even if Stockholm is not the final destination city), at least for Leg 4.

What I hope to see, though, is that teams travel overland (or over-sea) for Leg 5, ending up in Norway, or better yet, Denmark. Getting from these two countries to St Petersburg on 5 Jun does require a connection in Stockholm. (Riga and Helsinki, on the other hand, do not.) The timeline suggests that Legs 4 and 5 might not be too geographically close to one another, if the extra day was not a result of Eyjafjallajokull screwing things up...

The teams have to clear customs in Frankfurt, so I don't know if LH3000 gives them enough time to make the connection. I suspect they might have been on the next flight LH 3002 DEP 9:55am ARR 11:51am
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 06, 2010, 10:15:49 PM
the backpacks look like team lime green but the hair doesnt seem to be blonde
im guessing its probably red
I think they're just tinted from being behind the glass.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 06, 2010, 10:50:08 PM
If the teams arrived in Stockholm on LH 3000 at 9.45am, they should be in absolutely no hurry to get onto the connecting flight to Tallinn (departing at 12.30pm) or Reykjavik (departing at 2.10pm). All other countries in Europe (I checked all 49) are better served from Frankfurt than from Stockholm. These clues strongly suggest that Sweden is the final destination country (even if Stockholm is not the final destination city), at least for Leg 4.

What I hope to see, though, is that teams travel overland (or over-sea) for Leg 5, ending up in Norway, or better yet, Denmark. Getting from these two countries to St Petersburg on 5 Jun does require a connection in Stockholm. (Riga and Helsinki, on the other hand, do not.) The timeline suggests that Legs 4 and 5 might not be too geographically close to one another, if the extra day was not a result of Eyjafjallajokull screwing things up...

I can't see them backtracking west to other countries, but I can see them taking a ferry to the island of Visby.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 06, 2010, 10:59:53 PM
If the teams arrived in Stockholm on LH 3000 at 9.45am, they should be in absolutely no hurry to get onto the connecting flight to Tallinn (departing at 12.30pm) or Reykjavik (departing at 2.10pm). All other countries in Europe (I checked all 49) are better served from Frankfurt than from Stockholm. These clues strongly suggest that Sweden is the final destination country (even if Stockholm is not the final destination city), at least for Leg 4.

What I hope to see, though, is that teams travel overland (or over-sea) for Leg 5, ending up in Norway, or better yet, Denmark. Getting from these two countries to St Petersburg on 5 Jun does require a connection in Stockholm. (Riga and Helsinki, on the other hand, do not.) The timeline suggests that Legs 4 and 5 might not be too geographically close to one another, if the extra day was not a result of Eyjafjallajokull screwing things up...

I can't see them backtracking west to other countries, but I can see them taking a ferry to the island of Visby.

You mean the island of Gotland.  Visby is the island's largest town.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 06, 2010, 11:01:31 PM
I am waiting for an answer to the tweet link, mjriches??
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 06, 2010, 11:20:21 PM
I am waiting for an answer to the tweet link, mjriches??

do you mean facebook post.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 06, 2010, 11:47:45 PM
I am waiting for an answer to the tweet link, mjriches??

do you mean facebook post.

Yes, guess I do...but you put Twitter :lol:

But nvm...I have it now.

You might want to check your messages more often though! :waves:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 07, 2010, 12:44:21 AM
I think they fly to Moscow since no flight to Asia countries  fit at st. petersburg airport.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: gsrqh on June 07, 2010, 12:53:55 AM
the backpacks look like team lime green but the hair doesnt seem to be blonde
im guessing its probably red
I think they're just tinted from being behind the glass.

I definately think it is team lime green.

Look at the pic of team lime green in the contestant thread, the way the girl on the left is standing.   Looks like her running closest to the camera.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 07, 2010, 12:56:35 AM
the backpacks look like team lime green but the hair doesnt seem to be blonde
im guessing its probably red
I think they're just tinted from being behind the glass.

I definately think it is team lime green.

Look at the pic of team lime green in the contestant thread, the way the girl on the left is standing.   Looks like her running closest to the camera.
I do, too.  I just said I thought they were tinted due to the tinted glass.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 07, 2010, 01:21:11 AM
I think they fly to Moscow since no flight to Asia countries  fit at st. petersburg airport.
Munich, Frankfurt and Moscow are the 3 destinations flown from St Petersburg between 5am and 7am. They have had at least 1 back to back in same country legs (Ghana), and quite possibly Sweden also, so they may or may not have yet another back to back legs in Russia. If they flew to either of the German airports, they could pretty much fly onwards to anywhere...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 07, 2010, 01:39:08 AM
I don't think they will have 2nd leg in Russia. I mean they may get connect flight at Moscow .
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redwings8831 on June 07, 2010, 01:45:49 AM
What about Eastern Russia, like Vladivostok? They could have connected in Moscow before making the trek to Asia.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 07, 2010, 05:43:53 AM
If they fly to Moscow and get connect flight,they may fly to Delhi(depart at 17:10) or Beijing(depart at 19:45) from Sheremetyero airport ,or fly to Doha(depart at 20:00) from Domodedovo airport.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 07, 2010, 11:32:38 AM
If the teams arrived in Stockholm on LH 3000 at 9.45am, they should be in absolutely no hurry to get onto the connecting flight to Tallinn (departing at 12.30pm) or Reykjavik (departing at 2.10pm). All other countries in Europe (I checked all 49) are better served from Frankfurt than from Stockholm. These clues strongly suggest that Sweden is the final destination country (even if Stockholm is not the final destination city), at least for Leg 4.

What I hope to see, though, is that teams travel overland (or over-sea) for Leg 5, ending up in Norway, or better yet, Denmark. Getting from these two countries to St Petersburg on 5 Jun does require a connection in Stockholm. (Riga and Helsinki, on the other hand, do not.) The timeline suggests that Legs 4 and 5 might not be too geographically close to one another, if the extra day was not a result of Eyjafjallajokull screwing things up...

The teams have to clear customs in Frankfurt, so I don't know if LH3000 gives them enough time to make the connection. I suspect they might have been on the next flight LH 3002 DEP 9:55am ARR 11:51am

 :winner  Looks good!

Arlanda photo EXIF data:

Thanks to walkingpneumonia!!

photo was taken 2010-06-01 12:02:50-04:00.
The camera was a HTC Eris which is sold by Verison in the US - don't think its available in Europe.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 07, 2010, 01:44:16 PM
Just found this on FB:

Quote
So, two of my friends are in Russia and they see the contestants competing in The Amazing Race - how cool is that???
4 hours ago

Seems to be a reliable source. Should I ask the source or redirect to one of the detectives here? ;)

EDIT: Sent a message. Waiting for replies.

Where in Russia?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 07, 2010, 02:59:55 PM
Now how would we know that? :lol3:

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 07, 2010, 03:33:53 PM
Now how would we know that? :lol3:
By using your super-sleuth peach powers! :hero:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TexasLady on June 07, 2010, 04:38:14 PM
Now how would we know that? :lol3:
By using your super-sleuth peach powers! :hero:

Yeah - that!  :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: gsrqh on June 07, 2010, 06:09:55 PM
the backpacks look like team lime green but the hair doesnt seem to be blonde
im guessing its probably red
I think they're just tinted from being behind the glass.

I definately think it is team lime green.

Look at the pic of team lime green in the contestant thread, the way the girl on the left is standing.   Looks like her running closest to the camera.
I do, too.  I just said I thought they were tinted due to the tinted glass.

Yeah, i agree!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 07, 2010, 06:12:11 PM
Now how would we know that? :lol3:



You mean to tell us production didn't send you the complete route and accompanying photos of all the teams before the race started :o??
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 07, 2010, 06:30:53 PM
Some people seem to think so, :lol: but no...we Detectives WORK for our info!!

Oh yeah...except for my crystal ball. :funny:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 07, 2010, 06:43:31 PM
So from sightings so far, assuming St. Petersburg was the F7, it sounds like (and Peach can confirm whichever ones definitely seemed to be there once more info comes in) we have:

Kenny & Kevin
Connor & Jonathan
Chad & Stephanie
Gary & Mallory
Purple Couple
Lime Green Girls
Other Women's Team (I'm guessing the Pink Girls or Peach Girls, as I think the Red Girls were definitely among the first few to go)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 07, 2010, 06:45:43 PM
Some people seem to think so, :lol: but no...we Detectives WORK for our info!!

Oh yeah...except for my crystal ball. :funny:

Don't lose that crystal ball, I need to borrow it for a bit.  :please:

Back to work... :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: hallai on June 07, 2010, 06:46:30 PM
Now how would we know that? :lol3:



You mean to tell us production didn't send you the complete route and accompanying photos of all the teams before the race started :o??

Sometimes I really wonder how peach gets some of his info... like the time the race started  :ascared
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 07, 2010, 06:50:13 PM
So from sightings so far, assuming St. Petersburg was the F7, it sounds like (and Peach can confirm whichever ones definitely seemed to be there once more info comes in) we have:

Kenny & Kevin
Connor & Jonathan
Chad & Stephanie
Gary & Mallory
Purple Couple
Lime Green Girls
Other Women's Team (I'm guessing the Pink Girls or Peach Girls, as I think the Red Girls were definitely among the first few to go)

Kenny & Kevin + Gary & Mallory are the only identified teams to get that far, everyone else is speculation still
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 07, 2010, 06:52:32 PM
Now how would we know that? :lol3:



You mean to tell us production didn't send you the complete route and accompanying photos of all the teams before the race started :o??

Sometimes I really wonder how peach gets some of his info... like the time the race started  :ascared


Peach does it with a LOT of hard work, phone calls, questions, following up dead ends, eliminating alternatives, on the ground detecting, and a little dash of luck too.

*whispers* Peach is a she :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 07, 2010, 06:59:58 PM
So from sightings so far, assuming St. Petersburg was the F7, it sounds like (and Peach can confirm whichever ones definitely seemed to be there once more info comes in) we have:

Kenny & Kevin
Connor & Jonathan
Chad & Stephanie
Gary & Mallory
Purple Couple
Lime Green Girls
Other Women's Team (I'm guessing the Pink Girls or Peach Girls, as I think the Red Girls were definitely among the first few to go)

Kenny & Kevin + Gary & Mallory are the only identified teams to get that far, everyone else is speculation still
But these were the teams spotted heading out of Sweden, so I assumed.  But again, I'll wait for Peach to confirm or debunk the teams from this list.

Definitely think the black dudes left early, though.  If they'd gotten to Russia, a predominantly white country, they'd have been spotted easily.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 07, 2010, 08:11:42 PM
Way too soon to assume final # anything yet, I think.

Kenny & Kevin>> seen on plane to St Pete
Connor & Jonathan>>seen entering Sweden (Arlanda airport)
Chad & Stephanie>>pure spec
Gary & Mallory >>seen on plane to St Pete
Purple Couple>>pure spec
Lime Green Girls>>not TOTALLY confirmed, but I feel 90% sure that is the team we see in Arlanda
Other Women's Team (I'm guessing the Pink Girls or Peach Girls, as I think the Red Girls were definitely among the first few to go)>>pure spec, you don't know that the F/F team seen is not the Lime Green team also.

Fair to consider a long haired blonde/couple  in St Pete, Team Yellow or Team Purple? Spec till I get a reliable description or a photo, we don't do unsubstantiated here.
Fair to consider a couple...who's to say it isn't the SAME couple? And that could be Team Yellow who we already know is there.

We all need to keep thinking, but NO jumping the gun please. Facts are facts and we know what happens when we ASS-U-ME things right? :lol:

I am asking for more info, until then...spec NOT fact, except for the 3 sure sightings. :lol:

The first post of the TIMELINE thread is the place to watch. Anything we know for sure goes there, as does serious spec, which is labelled as such.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 07, 2010, 08:23:30 PM

But these were the teams spotted heading out of Sweden, so I assumed.  But again, I'll wait for Peach to confirm or debunk the teams from this list.

Definitely think the black dudes left early, though.  If they'd gotten to Russia, a predominantly white country, they'd have been spotted easily.

I'm definitely not dropping the rest off the list. A number of them are highly likely, but just not confirmed yet
- we just have to be careful to clearly state what is speculation only, because other internet sites often quote information posted on RFF as fact.
I'd have to check my notes, but I'm pretty sure that is the list of teams we've identified flying in to Sweden.  So there are 2 possible elimination points (or 1 elim + a NEL) before we see them flying to St Petersburg. The St Petersburg sighting did mention a M/F and a F/F team, and one of the other sightings also mentioned a blonde+male, but none of them have been confirmed yet by photo identification by the witness.

ETA Peach beat me to it :)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 07, 2010, 08:28:34 PM
All right.  Fair enough, Peach and Mrs. Shrek.  I'll just wait till more info, if any, comes in.  But more sighting's are gonna have to come in soon, because I'm so anxious and impatient.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 07, 2010, 08:39:57 PM
All right.  Fair enough, Peach and Mrs. Shrek.  I'll just wait till more info, if any, comes in.  But more sighting's are gonna have to come in soon, because I'm so anxious and impatient.

Feel free to join in the hunt if you wish. Blogs, Tweets, photohosting sites, Facebook, myspace - wherever you can think to look for clues :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 07, 2010, 08:42:33 PM
Then go find us some!! Search Flickr, all the photo places, travel blogs, twitter, etc. This is just plain old research...lots of slogging thru the muck to find the gems. Anyone can play!


Ha! GMTA Mrs Shrek!  :hfive:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: inomu on June 08, 2010, 06:07:44 AM
Speculating: boat from Stockholm to Helsinki and then train from Helsinki to St. Petersburg. One leg in Finland?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 08, 2010, 06:37:11 AM
Speculating: boat from Stockholm to Helsinki and then train from Helsinki to St. Petersburg. One leg in Finland?
They have been seen at Stockholm airport and fly to St. Petersburg.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TrueNorth on June 08, 2010, 12:04:39 PM
This is my first real season of following spoilers, is it always this difficult to get information?  Also still P.O'd that I missed my only chance to ever see the race in action. I'm less than an hour from Boston and would have staked out Logan. If there's any chance of an East Coast finish this year, I'm game for a road trip!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: guacamole300 on June 08, 2010, 12:04:57 PM
hey guys, i'm mostly a lurker, and i love what you guys do here... so I found this, maybe it could mean something, i dont know, you guys are the experts...

(Name witheld) Missing hubby already, hes doing the Amazing Race for next 3 weeks.




Thanks and welcome to RFF. Modified only to remove FaceBook info.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redwings8831 on June 08, 2010, 12:24:46 PM
hey guys, i'm mostly a lurker, and i love what you guys do here... so I found this, maybe it could mean something, i dont know, you guys are the experts...

Camera crew/production.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 08, 2010, 12:35:58 PM
With the reference to Southern hemisphere, I wonder if he's with TAR LA, especially since we are coming up on two weeks into TAR filming already.

Just saw the other reference to Australia.  Probably TARA then.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Zack. on June 08, 2010, 12:37:01 PM
Not to mention we're probably not going down in the Southern Hemisphere this race, what with it being run during US Summer.

TARA (or another region's TAR), on the other hand...I've posted my thoughts in that section  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 08, 2010, 12:44:18 PM
Zack is correct...this is almost certainly for TARA4.  Check out that thread if you want!

guacamole :welcome: and Check for a message from me...good job!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 09, 2010, 12:27:54 PM
I am pretty sure they could very well be in Korea although this may be pure speculation. Remembered how half of us predicted them to start near Korea for TAR 17?

This is completely speculation, but the only country i could foresee TAR 17 definitely visiting after Korea would be The Phillippines. And it is possible for TAR 17 to travel to Korea if they do 1 leg in Korea, 2 legs in Phillipines, 2 legs in another country further down Southeast Asia (Indonesia, anyone?).. and if they have time, they can even cross continent to Australia and New Zealand. Seems like a pretty good route, to have Asia stuck in the middle of the season instead of the start and the beginning like what we have for the past many seasons.

Taking this to spec. I personally see perhaps a visit to Central Asia after Russia. Philippines or S. Korea are highly likely in this race, but I believe the penultimate leg will be in Vancouver, not Latin America. Going to S. America usually increases the cost of travelling. Besides, I like the 4 continent races the best.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 09, 2010, 01:47:09 PM
My speculation is that they will go in a routing like this (North America-Europe-Africa-Europe-Asia-Oceania-North America) 12-13 legs is possible this season, but I would put Vancouver as a single leg or 2 legs like the past couple seasons (Prague, Shanghai), not a penultimate leg.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: theschnauzers on June 09, 2010, 02:27:30 PM
I've read articles on Yahoo this morning that reports that CBS has already sold a;; of its advertising time for this upcoming season (2010-2011). This also leads me to think that 12 or 13 episodes may be possible for TAR 17, especially if the premiere week is earlier this year than ;ast year.

My thinking on the race course after St. Petersburg is similar to Joab's' I think there won
t be much time spent in mainland Asia, there will be time spent in Oceania, and all of th teams and the viewers will be surprised with a eastward jainy across the South Pacific.

TAR has only gone to the Caribbean-Central America twice-- TAR 7 tp Jamaica and Puerto Rico, and FE to Panama and Costa Rica. (i treat Mexico as a North American nation.)  I don't think Vancouver is in the cards this time, I also think a final destination city in the southeast or eastern US is overdue.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 09, 2010, 03:12:36 PM
I've read articles on Yahoo this morning that reports that CBS has already sold a;; of its advertising time for this upcoming season (2010-2011). This also leads me to think that 12 or 13 episodes may be possible for TAR 17, especially if the premiere week is earlier this year than ;ast year.

My thinking on the race course after St. Petersburg is similar to Joab's' I think there won
t be much time spent in mainland Asia, there will be time spent in Oceania, and all of th teams and the viewers will be surprised with a eastward jainy across the South Pacific.

TAR has only gone to the Caribbean-Central America twice-- TAR 7 tp Jamaica and Puerto Rico, and FE to Panama and Costa Rica. (i treat Mexico as a North American nation.)  I don't think Vancouver is in the cards this time, I also think a final destination city in the southeast or eastern US is overdue.

Could we be in for a 6-continent race? Those are great too and would definitely spur some interest.
Yeah, I'm speculating that TAR has its budget back up and there's 13 episodes this season.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 09, 2010, 04:04:44 PM
Hopefully, no double-legs.  I've hated those since one screwed Jaime & Cara out of a win (though they at least still got prizes).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 09, 2010, 04:25:23 PM
I love the concept of a north south zigzag race.:snicker:

This is total Spec beyond the possibility of Korea:

UK down to Ghana, back up to Sweden, across to Russia, down to Korea, few more Asian legs, down to NZ or Aus, up to Vancouver (transit via San Fran or LA) and then back into a central US state for the finish line....
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Hooky on June 09, 2010, 04:39:53 PM
I've read articles on Yahoo this morning that reports that CBS has already sold a;; of its advertising time for this upcoming season (2010-2011). This also leads me to think that 12 or 13 episodes may be possible for TAR 17, especially if the premiere week is earlier this year than ;ast year.

My thinking on the race course after St. Petersburg is similar to Joab's' I think there won
t be much time spent in mainland Asia, there will be time spent in Oceania, and all of th teams and the viewers will be surprised with a eastward jainy across the South Pacific.

This is an interesting thought, but I personally don't think we are in for 13 legs this season. Remember that the original reason TAR 12 was shortened was to "increase the suspense." Now I'm not saying we should rule out a longer course this time, but if they were to increase the route length, I would be inclined to believe it is because of viewer requests rather than budget conditions alone.

But I would love to see them go eastward across the Pacific, have a couple South/Central American legs and then finish somewhere in the southeast. Sounds like a refreshing change of scene for the final legs that could take us back to TAR 7. :wohoo:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 09, 2010, 05:01:28 PM
I've read articles on Yahoo this morning that reports that CBS has already sold a;; of its advertising time for this upcoming season (2010-2011). This also leads me to think that 12 or 13 episodes may be possible for TAR 17, especially if the premiere week is earlier this year than ;ast year.

My thinking on the race course after St. Petersburg is similar to Joab's' I think there won
t be much time spent in mainland Asia, there will be time spent in Oceania, and all of th teams and the viewers will be surprised with a eastward jainy across the South Pacific.

This is an interesting thought, but I personally don't think we are in for 13 legs this season. Remember that the original reason TAR 12 was shortened was to "increase the suspense." Now I'm not saying we should rule out a longer course this time, but if they were to increase the route length, I would be inclined to believe it is because of viewer requests rather than budget conditions alone.

But I would love to see them go eastward across the Pacific, have a couple South/Central American legs and then finish somewhere in the southeast. Sounds like a refreshing change of scene for the final legs that could take us back to TAR 7. :wohoo:

To be fair, I like 12 legs, 3 of which are NEL. The race often drags towards the end because there's a predictable final 4 NEL. If the first leg was shown over 2 episodes, that could make the 13th episode.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: krabbe on June 10, 2010, 12:25:21 PM
I think the Philippines is a no go this time around, it's in the US travel warning list. I know it's mostly for the southern part, but if it's in the list then there will problems re: insurance.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 10, 2010, 03:46:30 PM
My speculation, after St Petersburg.  They could have flown to the Middle East for a couple legs and there was a facebook post on the Sightings thread.  The poster said that they saw teams of Americans at the Muscat Airport, probally flying to Bangladesh.  Also I think there is only 1 leg in Sweden since the teams left Ghana on the 31st and arrived in Europe the next day.  They could have had a extended pitstop in Sweden up to 24-32 hours. 
-My Theory-
Leg 1 (USA to UK)
Leg 2 (UK to Ghana)
Leg 3 (Ghana)
Leg 4 (Ghana to Sweden)
Leg 5 (Sweden to Russia)
Leg 6 (Russia to Middle East)
Leg 7 (Middle East)
Leg 8 (Middle East to Bangladesh?)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: krabbe on June 10, 2010, 05:29:25 PM
I thought from St.Petersburg they went to South Korea? From South Korea - Oman - Bangladesh. Dunno if Oman is just a transit point or a leg, though.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 10, 2010, 05:30:02 PM
I thought from St.Petersburg they went to South Korea? From South Korea - Oman - Bangladesh. Dunno if Oman is just a transit point or a leg, though.
South Korea's starting to go by the wayside in terms of the route.  I'm beginning to think they didn't go.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 10, 2010, 05:45:47 PM
I thought from St.Petersburg they went to South Korea? From South Korea - Oman - Bangladesh. Dunno if Oman is just a transit point or a leg, though.
South Korea's starting to go by the wayside in terms of the route.  I'm beginning to think they didn't go.

Yeah, South Korea is out of the question.  I think they would never let our race travel to a US Military installation in a foreign country this could be due to security concerns but when they traveled to Guam in All-Stars no problem, because they were in a US territory and not a foreign country.  I think South Korea is no-go.   
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 10, 2010, 06:15:06 PM
Never know.  The girls could've been the green ones.

So Chad & Stephanie are still in.  Officially, she lasted longer than the last Stephanie.  Points for anyone who remembers who that was.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: krabbe on June 10, 2010, 06:24:24 PM
Never know.  The girls could've been the green ones.

So Chad & Stephanie are still in.  Officially, she lasted longer than the last Stephanie.  Points for anyone who remembers who that was.

The girls in green are both blonde. He said he saw a girl-girl team, one dark haired, the other a blonde.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 10, 2010, 06:28:09 PM
S. Korea would likely be one of the penultimate legs, due to its proximity to America. I agree Bangladesh is highly likely, for reasons I've stated earlier. After Bangladesh is the question, however: will the route curve north or south? Oceania may be visited solely to prevent TAR 17 from becoming another Northern Hemisphere route.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 10, 2010, 07:52:44 PM
S. Korea would likely be one of the penultimate legs, due to its proximity to America. I agree Bangladesh is highly likely, for reasons I've stated earlier. After Bangladesh is the question, however: will the route curve north or south? Oceania may be visited solely to prevent TAR 17 from becoming another Northern Hemisphere route.


Oceania is way due since TAR13 when they visited New Zealand.  We could get a leg or 2 there again followed by a leg somewhere in the South Pacific like Samoa, Fiji, or Tonga.  Then go to Hawaii/Alaska and the US mainland for the Final Leg if there is a 13 leg-structure similar to TAR1/TAR2/TAR3/TAR4/TAR5/TAR11. I think the route would curve south after Bangladesh and north back to the USA.
13 Legs sounds plausible for me if there was a immediate destination like Alaska or Hawaii. 
The race could finish like on the 19th or 20th of this month.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 10, 2010, 08:11:10 PM


Yeah, South Korea is out of the question. 

Would you like to share your evidence for this? I have posted something else in the spoiler thread which may conflict with your statement.

Not trying to single out one person, but this is a good example of something that can cause problems.

If you all think/believe/wish/want something to be true...please say I wish/believe/want/think that such and such is true. Not such and such IS true unless you have factual evidence to support your statements.

And IF you have the facts to support your definitive statements, please share them in spoilers.

It is very frustrating when people who read here and clearly do not have all the facts or are only stating their own opinions,  make statements  that are then reported in other forums and media as "RFF says".

For the record...unless it is in the TIMELINE thread...RFF does NOT say.

Please just be clear about whether something is your speculation or your opinion or a FACT that can be supported by a photo, a trusted source, or something like a permit.

Thanks!!

[/rant]

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Neobie on June 10, 2010, 08:11:44 PM
Bangladesh, if the spoilers and my calculations are both right, would be Leg 8. If Legs 10 and 11 are in the same city following the TAR 13-16 tradition, we'd only have one leg left to guess. Korea (and Australia) do seem to be in the right place for the penultimate legs, with Southeast Asia being the most likely place where the dots connect for Leg 9 in both scenarios...

Unless they do the completely unexpected and go to South America for the final legs.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 10, 2010, 08:13:44 PM
Bangladesh, if the spoilers and my calculations are both right, would be Leg 8. If Legs 10 and 11 are in the same city following the TAR 13-16 tradition, we'd only have one leg left to guess. Korea (and Australia) do seem to be in the right place for the penultimate legs, with Southeast Asia being the most likely place where the dots connect for Leg 9 in both scenarios...

Bangladesh is possibly Leg 9 since there is leg between Russia and Oman on the 6th/7th.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Neobie on June 10, 2010, 08:18:57 PM
I'm interpreting the Muscat airport information as teams departing on the night of the 8th.* That suggests that the Muscat leg took place on the 7th. Coupled with teams arriving in St Petersburg at noon on the 5th, there shouldn't be any extra time (barring two TBCs in a row) for a leg in between.

*The spoiler states that teams were seen two days ago, at night, and it was posted on the evening of 10 Jun, Gulf Standard Time.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 10, 2010, 08:23:01 PM
-Peach-
I say South Korea is out of the question because of the high tension right now with North Korea and the heightened security near the DMZ area.  Camp Casey is a US Armybase and I said before security at a US Base in a foreign country is very high.  TAR11 racers went to Guam which is in a fact a US Territory and not a foreign country and visited military bases there because these places were in fact in the US and so far I haven't seen any race season where they visited a US Military installation in foreign country.  Subject closed!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 10, 2010, 08:44:14 PM
I think Bangladesh will be leg 8. I guess Australia or South Korea will be penultimate legs.If they choose Australia,they probably choose Philippine for leg 9;if they choose South Korea,they probably choose China for leg 9.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 10, 2010, 09:08:20 PM
-Peach-
I say South Korea is out of the question because of the high tension right now with North Korea and the heightened security near the DMZ area.  Camp Casey is a US Armybase and I said before security at a US Base in a foreign country is very high.  TAR11 racers went to Guam which is in a fact a US Territory and not a foreign country and visited military bases there because these places were in fact in the US and so far I haven't seen any race season where they visited a US Military installation in foreign country.  Subject closed!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are more than welcome to speculate anything you would like...just please say "In my opinion, South Korea..."

Thanks.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Zack. on June 10, 2010, 09:30:43 PM
It seems like recently, we've had at least one beachy leg (or 'TnA' leg or bikini leg, depending on your tastes) that's in a tropical climate, or else a leg designed to get the racers out of their clothes - last season had the Seychelles, the season prior had Dubai (and Groningen, and Estonia, and Prague 2...), TAR 14 had Maui (plus Krabi and the fun run in Novosibirsk). Given how...telegenic our cast is, I'd expect at least one of these legs this season.

Barring something in one of the two Ghana legs, we've problably not had said beachy leg. If there *were* to be a future 'beachy' leg, my bet would be on the Philippines, or, less likely, southern Thailand (of course, they could really surprise me and go to the Maldives).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 11, 2010, 10:40:34 AM
This is my speculation, but after Korea, I think they may go to Fiji for the 11th leg.  Then to Hawaii for the 12th leg as a intermediate destination, then onto the US Mainland to finish the leg and race.  They may fly nonstop to Fiji like last season when flew France to Seychelles.  The only flight capable of departing on the 15th is  Korean Air KE0137 at 7:25pm, arriving in Fiji at 8:35am the next day, June 16.  This could be possible.  Then for the 12th and final leg, they could take Air Pacific or Continental Micronesia to Honolulu/Hawaii for the first part of the finale and then fly to the US Mainland to finish.  This sounds very reasonable to me.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 11, 2010, 11:45:26 AM
Personally, I don't think we can assume there's an intermediate destination. Hasn't been that case for years.
Besides, intermediate destinations create a bunching point, which kills suspense.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Zack. on June 11, 2010, 11:49:55 AM
I suspect they'll simply stay in South Korea  for the final two legs before the end. From a historical standpoint it fits with recent TARs and it makes sense from a budget pov
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: diRkdARyL on June 11, 2010, 12:41:20 PM
mah spec..
If the penultimate leg was on South Korea, then it's possible that the finish line would be on Illinois or NYC..
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 11, 2010, 01:46:59 PM
I suspect they'll simply stay in South Korea  for the final two legs before the end. From a historical standpoint it fits with recent TARs and it makes sense from a budget pov

I still think there will be an intermediate destination before the final city.  Last time it occured was season11.  Since then 12-16, the final legs were short, but I say this could be a better and longer race season.  So lets just look out for the tweets and posts in the next several days to find out what will go on from there.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: north09 on June 11, 2010, 06:14:47 PM
No matter where the finale destination is before heading back to America, I am 100% sure it will host two legs. I put together an outline following woden's timeline, and assuming the race lasts 4 weeks per KevJumba, that puts the finale leg on this coming Wednesday.

Leg 10 plays out from June 12 to June 13
Leg 11 plays out June 14
Leg 12 plays out June 15 to June 16
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 11, 2010, 07:30:56 PM
You mean three weeks, right? ??
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Hooky on June 11, 2010, 07:46:44 PM

If you all think/believe/wish/want something to be true...please say I wish/believe/want/think that such and such is true. Not such and such IS true unless you have factual evidence to support your statements.

And IF you have the facts to support your definitive statements, please share them in spoilers.
[/rant]

Exactly. What I've been waiting for for a long time. Some evidence. :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 11, 2010, 08:01:33 PM
I just guess the task in Camp Casy will be in leg 10.They often do sport task in 1st leg of last two-legs city(TAR13-Moscow-goose step,TAR14-Beijing-swim,TAR15-Prague-canoe,TAR16-Shanghai-puzzle),and 2nd leg will be more of  city characteristic (TAR13-Russian dance,TAR14-beijing opera,TAR15-legend,TAR16-buddha).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 11, 2010, 08:09:03 PM
I just guess the task in Camp Casy will be in leg 10.They often do sport task in 1st leg of last two-legs city(TAR13-Moscow-goose step,TAR14-Beijing-swim,TAR15-Prague-canoe,TAR16-puzzle),and 2nd leg will be more of  city characteristic (TAR13-Russian dance,TAR14-beijing opera,TAR15-legend,TAR16-buddha).

But Camp Casey is scheduled for Monday, which is the 14th, and Leg 11 if you are going by north's projected timeline.

You mean three weeks, right? ??
KevJumba said 4 weeks on his website, but I assume that would be including pre race preparation/travel/sequester, and perhaps a couple of days recovery time after the race ends?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 11, 2010, 08:20:34 PM
I just guess the task in Camp Casy will be in leg 10.They often do sport task in 1st leg of last two-legs city(TAR13-Moscow-goose step,TAR14-Beijing-swim,TAR15-Prague-canoe,TAR16-puzzle),and 2nd leg will be more of  city characteristic (TAR13-Russian dance,TAR14-beijing opera,TAR15-legend,TAR16-buddha).

But Camp Casey is scheduled for Monday, which is the 14th, and Leg 11 if you are going by north's projected timeline.


I think leg 10 filmed on Monday ,leg 11 filmed on Tuesday,and they finished in America on Thursday(Wednesday in American time,still Jun 16)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 11, 2010, 08:22:54 PM
yes on the time...I believe they had a five day sequester this time including start day...add an approximate 21 day race and you are nearly there. I meant a three week race in my comment (about+/-)

Neobie has lots more spec on the timeline in surprise...the Timeline thread! :jumpy:

And I like that observation about when the sport legs come, weihen.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 11, 2010, 08:26:57 PM

I think leg 10 filmed on Monday ,leg 11 filmed on Tuesday,and they finished in American on Thursday(Wednesday in American time,still Jun 16)

I like it  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on June 11, 2010, 10:10:42 PM
FWIW, it appears as though TAR 17 will uphold the 8 country, 2 penultimate legs tradition.

UK
Ghana (2)
Sweden (2)
Russia
Oman
Bangladesh
Philippines (?)
S. Korea (2)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 11, 2010, 10:28:25 PM
FWIW, it appears as though TAR 17 will uphold the 8 country, 2 penultimate legs tradition.

UK
Ghana (2)
Sweden (2)
Russia
Oman
Bangladesh
Philippines (?)
S. Korea (2)
Philippines confirmed?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 12, 2010, 12:11:14 AM
Not completely. A poster saying he will be working there...but it is not yet clear whether it is TAR or TARA...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: jerseydude on June 12, 2010, 02:33:35 AM
Is the TAR or TARA because isn't TAR supposed to go to Korea?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 12, 2010, 02:35:50 AM
Is the TAR or TARA because isn't TAR supposed to go to Korea?
They supposed to go to Korea next week.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 12, 2010, 05:34:32 AM
Since TARA has just been to Hong Kong last season ,I think it's TAR.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: krabbe on June 12, 2010, 06:35:39 AM
Since TARA has just been to Hong Kong last season ,I think it's TAR.

not necessarily, though. according to wiki they went to singapore both season 1 & 2.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: realshowfan on June 12, 2010, 06:41:28 AM
But if TARA visits HK again, it would be their 3rd time in a row out of 4 seasons (the HK visit in TARA2 was an extremely short one, but had a task in it).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Cocoa on June 12, 2010, 11:14:11 AM
Regarding the new HK spoiler:

QUESTION (for anyone): Does that forum THAT active? I mean, the gap of posting, it's 1 minute per post (well, almost each post, except, of course, some) ???
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 12, 2010, 11:19:31 AM
Regarding the new HK spoiler:

QUESTION (for anyone): Does that forum THAT active? I mean, the gap of posting, it's 1 minute per post (well, almost each post, except, of course, some) ???
But the photos of pink teams confirmed Hong Kong leg.And I konw it's the largest forum in Hong Kong.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Rexman on June 12, 2010, 11:26:47 AM
Regarding the new HK spoiler:

QUESTION (for anyone): Does that forum THAT active? I mean, the gap of posting, it's 1 minute per post (well, almost each post, except, of course, some) ???

Yes this forum (HKDiscuz) is the largest forum in Hong Kong
IT should be HKGolden , not HKDiscuz
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: ag+ on June 12, 2010, 11:33:23 AM
Hello :lol:
I'm the person who took those photos.
I saw that 2 teams went intp Seibu Department store in Tsim Sha Tsui for a while.
Then two teams ran to the intersection of Nathan Rd and Haiphong Rd.
I tried to run and catch them but there were many people on the streets.
One of two teams go on a cab and another team of 2 girls call for another cab.
However, it seemed that the cab driver didn't understand their English. So the cab stop on the road for around 4 minutes and then go away too.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 12, 2010, 11:40:56 AM
Welcome, ag+, and thanks for the photos.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 12, 2010, 11:44:03 AM
Hello :lol:
I'm the person who took those photos.
I saw that 2 teams went intp Seibu Department store in Tsim Sha Tsui for a while.
Then two teams ran to the intersection of Nathan Rd and Haiphong Rd.
I tried to run and catch them but there were many people on the streets.
One of two teams go on a cab and another team of 2 girls call for another cab.
However, it seemed that the cab driver didn't understand their English. So the cab stop on the road for around 4 minutes and then go away too.
Welcome ag+! Did another team an M/F team?or an M/M team? You may figure out which team you see in contestant thread  http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21996.125.html
Thank you so much!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: ag+ on June 12, 2010, 11:47:39 AM
Hello :lol:
I'm the person who took those photos.
I saw that 2 teams went intp Seibu Department store in Tsim Sha Tsui for a while.
Then two teams ran to the intersection of Nathan Rd and Haiphong Rd.
I tried to run and catch them but there were many people on the streets.
One of two teams go on a cab and another team of 2 girls call for another cab.
However, it seemed that the cab driver didn't understand their English. So the cab stop on the road for around 4 minutes and then go away too.
Welcome ag+! Did another team an M/F team?or an M/M team? You may figure out which team you see in contestant thread.Thank you so much!
Actually I was waiting for a bus at that moment.
And I saw two people ran out from the store and went on a cab. At least a man in this team.
Another team of 2 girls went on another cab and they are the team in these 2 photos.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: SuzuKen on June 12, 2010, 12:13:05 PM
Hello :lol:
I'm the person who took those photos.
I saw that 2 teams went intp Seibu Department store in Tsim Sha Tsui for a while.
Then two teams ran to the intersection of Nathan Rd and Haiphong Rd.
I tried to run and catch them but there were many people on the streets.
One of two teams go on a cab and another team of 2 girls call for another cab.
However, it seemed that the cab driver didn't understand their English. So the cab stop on the road for around 4 minutes and then go away too.
Welcome ag+! Did another team an M/F team?or an M/M team? You may figure out which team you see in contestant thread.Thank you so much!
Actually I was waiting for a bus at that moment.
And I saw two people ran out from the store and went on a cab. At least a man in this team.
Another team of 2 girls went on another cab and they are the team in these 2 photos.

Welcome to RFF! Interesting how I found u on twitter then here ;p
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 12, 2010, 01:28:03 PM
Hello :lol:
I'm the person who took those photos.
I saw that 2 teams went intp Seibu Department store in Tsim Sha Tsui for a while.
Then two teams ran to the intersection of Nathan Rd and Haiphong Rd.
I tried to run and catch them but there were many people on the streets.
One of two teams go on a cab and another team of 2 girls call for another cab.
However, it seemed that the cab driver didn't understand their English. So the cab stop on the road for around 4 minutes and then go away too.

Thanks AG!! :welcome2: to RFF!

What time exactly was this please?? And great job!

I can send you some photos by email of all the M/F teams for comparison if you would like... my email is in my profile.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 12, 2010, 04:29:56 PM
Awesome!  At least one women's team made it this far!

Still, it'd be great to hear what happened to the Lime Greens, the Blues, and the Reds.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Hooky on June 12, 2010, 05:44:42 PM
Hmmm...if that's Team Pink, why does neither of them appear to have blonde hair? I'm inclined to think there's a possibility of it being Team Red. Do we know what color the Team Red packs are?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 12, 2010, 06:27:05 PM
Hmmm...if that's Team Pink, why does neither of them appear to have blonde hair? I'm inclined to think there's a possibility of it being Team Red. Do we know what color the Team Red packs are?
The blonde one is in the cab.  She has the green backpack.

Unless there was another one to make it this far, I'm surprised they seem to be the last of the women's teams.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 12, 2010, 06:34:47 PM
How many teams do we expect to be left by now? Is HK leg down to F4 or F5?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 12, 2010, 07:49:57 PM
It's not yet confirmed if Korea is TAR or TARA, but if it is TAR, any keen spoilers based in HK who are planning on spending a day out at the airport today could look in particular at the following direct flights to Seoul. (and please have your camera ready to snap any teams you see!)


CX 410   Cathay Pacific Airways    9:30 AM     T-1
KE 604   Korean Air Lines    12:25 PM       T-1   
OZ 722   Asiana Airlines    1:15 PM       T-1   
KE 614   Korean Air Lines    2:15 PM       T-1   
CX 418   Cathay Pacific Airways    2:20 PM    T-1   
OZ 982   Asiana Airlines    2:50 PM         
TG 628   Thai Airways International    3:30 PM       T-2
KE 312   Korean Air Lines    3:55 PM         
CX 416   Cathay Pacific Airways    4:30 PM     T-1   
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 13, 2010, 12:47:56 AM
Apperently they are expected in korea by 4PM today...so earlier flights might be the best to look at!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 13, 2010, 12:52:04 AM
Apperently they are expected in korea by 4PM today...so earlier flights might be the best to look at!

It's 2:50pm there now, so in approx 1 hr.

9:30 flt was the last one that would have got there in time, and it landed about 1 hr ago. Next flight due to land at 5:pm local time.
Macau was the other option that departed around 2 am and landed at 6:21am
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 13, 2010, 01:00:00 AM
How long from airport to location?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 13, 2010, 01:16:36 AM
How long from airport to location?

to Dongducheon? Approx 3 hrs by public transport, can make no assumption if private car would be quicker or not
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 13, 2010, 01:23:56 AM
How do I get to Camp Casey from airport
Link (http://shuttlejfk.com/783/what-transportation-can-i-take-from-incheon-airport-to-camp-casey/)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 13, 2010, 01:35:11 AM
That flight landed at 145...seems to be cutting it close plus all teams would be bunched...

I am liking the batch of 4-5AM arrival flights, but can we get them out of HK in time?

Is there no other closer airport? guess not....
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 13, 2010, 02:03:45 AM
Found a
Hong Kong   LD 128 Dep 3:40am Arr 8:10am

and Macau (fits with possible ferry sighting in evening)
Macau   NX 826 Dep 2:20am Arr:6:21am
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 13, 2010, 02:53:24 AM
Lost me...to INCH?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: SuzuKen on June 13, 2010, 02:58:34 AM
Lost me...to INCH?

INCH = Incheon?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 13, 2010, 03:05:07 AM
Lost me...to INCH?

INCH = Incheon?

Incheon is Seoul's International Airport :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 13, 2010, 08:25:17 AM
Looking at those responses to how to get to Camp Casey, I'm wondering if production might have chartered buses or some other arranged transport?  Possibly even military transport?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Rexman on June 13, 2010, 08:28:44 AM
Looking at those responses to how to get to Camp Casey, I'm wondering if production might have chartered buses or some other arranged transport?  Possibly even military transport?
Maybe CBS will provide some transportation like Season 11 All Star
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: milanissimo on June 13, 2010, 02:31:55 PM
So with new photos..we  know ..the first 3 team eliminated :jumpy: :jumpy:
 purple team,pink team and blue(female)team are Photographed in hong kong(ep 9??)
other 4 team are spotted and photographed in sweden(probably ep 5 or 6 ):mallory and gary,kenny and kevin,female team in green ,connor and jonathan
stephanie and chad....are spotted in oman

so..probably the first 3 team eliminated are:team red,team orange,and team grey... :jumpy: :jumpy:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 13, 2010, 02:43:33 PM
Just a question, where is Sequesterville this time?  Mexico? Portugal? Where??????
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Solarius on June 13, 2010, 02:59:31 PM
Just a guess: Could one (or more) of the Sweden legs be in Kiruna? The nearby town of Jukkasjärvi has the ice hotel, which seems like a place they would like to visit.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 13, 2010, 03:04:57 PM
Just a question, where is Sequesterville this time?  Mexico? Portugal? Where??????

One could imagine somewhere in Europe, because Ghana eliminations would be the only one's they'd need to fly any distance to get there, as by the Asia legs, the eliminated teams will be travelling on with production anyway.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: maf on June 13, 2010, 03:52:32 PM
Just a guess: Could one (or more) of the Sweden legs be in Kiruna? The nearby town of Jukkasjärvi has the ice hotel, which seems like a place they would like to visit.

I do not think so. The hotel is probably mostly gone by now (it tends to melt in the spring:-).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on June 13, 2010, 03:57:58 PM
So whit new photos..we  know ..the first 3 team eliminated :jumpy: :jumpy:
 purple team,pink team and blue(female)team are Photographed in hong kong(ep 9??)
other 4 team are spotted and photographed in sweden(probably 5 or 6 episode):mallory and gary,kenny and kevin,female team in green ,connor and jonathan
stephanie and chad....are spotted in oman

so..probably the first 3 team eliminated are:team red,team orange,and team grey... :jumpy: :jumpy:

I'm not surprised that the all-female red team is one of the first three teams to go.  I didn't think they'd last too long in the race anyway.  At least two all-female teams made it to Hong Kong!   :jumpy:

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: MamaT on June 13, 2010, 04:02:41 PM
Quote
I'm not surprised that the all-female red team is one of the first three teams to go.  I didn't think they'd last too long in the race anyway.

Just out of curiosity, may I ask why?  Not that I'm disagreeing with the idea that they were probably one of the first 3 teams eliminted.  Its just that I keep reading that people expected them to be out early and I never understood the low(but apparently correct) expectations.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 13, 2010, 05:30:25 PM
Quote
I'm not surprised that the all-female red team is one of the first three teams to go.  I didn't think they'd last too long in the race anyway.

Just out of curiosity, may I ask why?  Not that I'm disagreeing with the idea that they were probably one of the first 3 teams eliminted.  Its just that I keep reading that people expected them to be out early and I never understood the low(but apparently correct) expectations.
There were thoughts that they were a mother and daughter.  And if they turn out to be, then mother/daughter teams, save for Nancy & Emily, have never gotten far.  Deidre & Hillary left first in TAR2, and Wanda & Desiree left third in TAR9.

If they're both young, then my thoughts immediately were that they'd be a Meredith & Maria/Danielle & Dani/Kellie & Jamie/Marianna & Julia/Marisa & Brooke type of women's team -- the nice, but incompetent women's team that is sure cannon fodder.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 13, 2010, 09:14:08 PM
Oh, and I know there are four teams in Korea now (as four were spotted on the flight there), but what was the Hong Kong leg?  F5 elimination or F4 NEL?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Zack. on June 13, 2010, 09:18:49 PM
If my math is right, then Hong Kong should be the F5 elimination leg. This SK leg would probably be the first of two (what with it being in a less urbanized area), which would be a logical point for the F4 NEL.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 13, 2010, 09:58:12 PM
Looking at those responses to how to get to Camp Casey, I'm wondering if production might have chartered buses or some other arranged transport?  Possibly even military transport?
Maybe CBS will provide some transportation like Season 11 All Star

This possibly sounds like someone who has been organised to transport teams. If it is a couple of hours to get to the airport, and the teams arrive around 5am, it would fit nicely.

Facebook post (posted 1 hr. ago):

I have to be up at 230 in the morning for some ---------- Amazing Race. I don't know when I'm going to be able to crawl back into bed.

Poster's  location is Seoul. :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 13, 2010, 10:09:56 PM
If my math is right, then Hong Kong should be the F5 elimination leg. This SK leg would probably be the first of two (what with it being in a less urbanized area), which would be a logical point for the F4 NEL.

I'm not sure that we have 5 teams left by the time we get to HK. I'm thinking there might only be 4 teams left by then? Perhaps NEL, then final 3 in one Korean leg before final destination?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 14, 2010, 02:43:26 AM
As a fb poster bumped into teams on the metro in Seoul today, I thought I'd have a look at it
Here is a link to a linemap of the Seoul Subway (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/4/4c/20081206151733!Seoul_Subway_linemap_en.png).
It's not completely clear directions on google maps for the first part, depending what time of day you travel,  but it instructs you to either take a bus (or two) and join up with subway line #1, or you can take the Airport subway line (center left) and change to line 4 or 5 before ending up on line 1. (top right) Dongducheon is the second to last stop on line 1.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 14, 2010, 10:17:08 AM
INCOMING FROM Camp Casey:

Quote
4 teams...at least one more task but i dont know where, 4th team lost in the sauce will be eliminated most likely they are at least 6 hrs behind. 2 all girl teams, 1 Male/ female team


So  2 all girl teams , 1 Male/ female team  are the first 3 teams? And another one team fell behind 6 hours?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on June 14, 2010, 10:21:18 AM
INCOMING FROM Camp Casey:

Quote
4 teams...at least one more task but i dont know where, 4th team lost in the sauce will be eliminated most likely they are at least 6 hrs behind. 2 all girl teams, 1 Male/ female team


So  2 all girl teams , 1 Male/ female team  are the first 3 teams? And another one team fell behind 6 hours?

From what he's saying? Yes.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 14, 2010, 10:41:49 AM
INCOMING FROM Camp Casey:

Quote
4 teams...at least one more task but i dont know where, 4th team lost in the sauce will be eliminated most likely they are at least 6 hrs behind. 2 all girl teams, 1 Male/ female team


So  2 all girl teams , 1 Male/ female team  are the first 3 teams? And another one team fell behind 6 hours?

From what he's saying? Yes.
OMG.  If this is true, we might have a two-in-three shot at finally getting that women's team victory.  If this is the penultimate leg, of course.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Benedicto on June 14, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
wow 2/3 shots for an F/F Team if that is legit  :hearts:  :jumpy:  :wohoo:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 14, 2010, 11:04:03 AM
wow 2/3 shots for an F/F Team if that is legit  :hearts:  :jumpy:  :wohoo:
Hopefully, it won't turn into All-Stars 2.0 with the young couple taking it.

But it just occurred to me.  With all four teams arriving in the same city on the same flight, how the hell does the straggling team fall behind six hours?!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 14, 2010, 02:31:46 PM
wow 2/3 shots for an F/F Team if that is legit  :hearts:  :jumpy:  :wohoo:
Hopefully, it won't turn into All-Stars 2.0 with the young couple taking it.

But it just occurred to me.  With all four teams arriving in the same city on the same flight, how the hell does the straggling team fall behind six hours?!

The easiest way would be if they missed that flight - the next flight is approx 6 hrs later. As for the sighting of 4 teams on a flight, I imagine the eliminated team could have been travelling with them, or the witness mistakenly thought another set of passengers on the flight were also teams.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: babs on June 14, 2010, 02:58:34 PM
Hi all.  i am new to this forum.  I guess this means Conner and Jonathan are not around?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 14, 2010, 03:01:11 PM
Hi all.  i am new to this forum.  I guess this means Conner and Jonathan are not around?

We have no sightings of them since 6/1, but there is still an unidentified team, that theoretically could be any of the other teams, but it's not looking like a good outcome for that team in this leg, no matter who they are.

Welcome to RFF btw :)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: babs on June 14, 2010, 03:22:49 PM
Thanks for the welcome!!!  Jonathan is from NJ and so am I.  It would be nice to see someone from the home state win.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 14, 2010, 06:00:22 PM
Hi all.  i am new to this forum.  I guess this means Connor & Jonathan are not around?
They were either in fourth and far behind, or eliminated well before now.  My money's on them possibly being decoys by now, if not a late Elimination Station team.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on June 14, 2010, 06:18:58 PM
INCOMING FROM Camp Casey:

Quote
4 teams...at least one more task but i dont know where, 4th team lost in the sauce will be eliminated most likely they are at least 6 hrs behind. 2 all girl teams, 1 Male/ female team


So we've got two all-female teams still in the Race and probably making the Final 3!  Most likely they are the Pink team and the Blue one.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on June 14, 2010, 06:22:13 PM
Hi all.  i am new to this forum.  I guess this means Conner and Jonathan are not around?

They're either in 4th and far behind -- but then again, there are several other teams, including an all-female team in lime green who might be far behind as well -- or are already out by this point.  My guess is that they're already out and are either decoys or a late Elimination station team.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 14, 2010, 07:01:12 PM
I just wonder production will make the 4th team miss the flight so that they have to wait 6 hours for their emilination,it's reducing excitement  so much . And they have an nearly 24 hours pitstop,so they seems like can make teams start this leg at time they want.They don't want teams miss flight and then viewers easily to know which team emilinated early since season 12(unless TK and Rachel,Brad and Victoria ,they fall behind because they choose wrong flight).
What I guess is one of the F4 teams choose do a FF,so this team don't show in Camp Casy,and this leg is an non-emilination leg. The "4th" team 6 hrs later was decoy team.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 14, 2010, 07:44:43 PM
Unlikely.  Decoys are always ahead of the teams, not behind them.  Only on the final leg could the decoys be behind the teams.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 14, 2010, 07:47:09 PM
Unlikely.  Decoys are always ahead of the teams, not behind them.  Only on the final leg could the decoys be behind the teams.

Maybe some another reason? I just think 6 hours is too huge...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on June 14, 2010, 07:47:10 PM
Unlikely.  Decoys are always ahead of the teams, not behind them.  Only on the final leg could the decoys be behind the teams.

How much of the legs do decoy teams miss, anyway? Especially on the last leg?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: AmazingDT on June 14, 2010, 07:54:19 PM
Unlikely.  Decoys are always ahead of the teams, not behind them.  Only on the final leg could the decoys be behind the teams.

Maybe some another reason? I just think 6 hours is too huge...

i think that poster was was just exagerrating, i doubt that they would be that far behind.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 14, 2010, 08:49:39 PM
Just saw survivorsucks,someone saw tatooed team in Hong Kong.

Dunno if this helps y'all, but I saw a couple running from the HK airport to the Airport express train with a cameraman and another guy (producer I'm assuming) on Saturday. The guy asked the train attendant specifically for some sort of bus, so I'm guessing a clue told them they had to take something specific. Anyhow, the guy had distinctive hair (dreads or something similar) and the girl was heavily tattooed.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 14, 2010, 08:56:12 PM
Just saw survivorsucks,someone saw tatooed team in Hong Kong.

Dunno if this helps y'all, but I saw a couple running from the HK airport to the Airport express train with a cameraman and another guy (producer I'm assuming) on Saturday. The guy asked the train attendant specifically for some sort of bus, so I'm guessing a clue told them they had to take something specific. Anyhow, the guy had distinctive hair (dreads or something similar) and the girl was heavily tattooed.
This is strange.Since we have lime green F/F team,green M/M team ,father/daughter team,kevin and kenny,tatooed team,purple M/F team,pink F/F team,blue F/F team,chad and stephanie in at least sweden  leg...so one non-emilination leg in England or Ghana?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kiwi Jay on June 14, 2010, 09:01:16 PM
Wow, so the F/F team in rose and blue and the African-American male-male team are the first two to go and Ghana has a non-elimination leg!  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 14, 2010, 09:06:21 PM
If this is correct ,since pink team,purple team,blue team,tatooed team spotted in Hong Kong,
Kenny and Kevin,Father/Daughter team spotted on the flight to St-petersburg,
Chad/Stephanie spotted in Oman.

We have our F7?Unless another non-emiliantion leg in Sweden.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 14, 2010, 09:31:19 PM
Unlikely.  Decoys are always ahead of the teams, not behind them.  Only on the final leg could the decoys be behind the teams.

Not true.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 14, 2010, 09:38:07 PM
Just saw survivorsucks,someone saw tatooed team in Hong Kong.

Dunno if this helps y'all, but I saw a couple running from the HK airport to the Airport express train with a cameraman and another guy (producer I'm assuming) on Saturday. The guy asked the train attendant specifically for some sort of bus, so I'm guessing a clue told them they had to take something specific. Anyhow, the guy had distinctive hair (dreads or something similar) and the girl was heavily tattooed.

Team Grey... I don't see any dreads??

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/backpacks/teamgreymalebackpack.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 14, 2010, 09:43:04 PM
But "the girl was heavily tattooed" can confirm this team?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 14, 2010, 11:22:04 PM
But "the girl was heavily tattooed" can confirm this team?

Not with a partner with dreadlocks.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Dånooky on June 14, 2010, 11:28:02 PM
But "the girl was heavily tattooed" can confirm this team?

Not with a partner with dreadlocks.
TARA? ???
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 14, 2010, 11:32:36 PM
But "the girl was heavily tattooed" can confirm this team?

Not with a partner with dreadlocks.
TARA? ???

Supposedly they are in Sri Lanka? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 14, 2010, 11:34:25 PM
But "the girl was heavily tattooed" can confirm this team?

Not with a partner with dreadlocks.
TARA? ???

Supposedly they are in Sri Lanka? :duno:
Weren't the tattooed people supposed to be gone by now?  One of the first three out?  Maybe this means they got farther than we thought.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 14, 2010, 11:38:43 PM
But "the girl was heavily tattooed" can confirm this team?

Not with a partner with dreadlocks.

No guys this season with dreadlocks...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Dånooky on June 15, 2010, 12:29:35 AM
But "the girl was heavily tattooed" can confirm this team?

Not with a partner with dreadlocks.

No guys this season with dreadlocks...
Just me thinking out of the box:
how feasible is for a racer to get dreadlocks during the race, specially if they go through a beachy location?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Cocoa on June 15, 2010, 01:05:09 AM
But "the girl was heavily tattooed" can confirm this team?

Not with a partner with dreadlocks.

No guys this season with dreadlocks...
Just me thinking out of the box:
how feasible is for a racer to get dreadlocks during the race, specially if they go through a beachy location?

I get what Dan said, and will re-explain:

Like for example, Uchenna and Joyce had a haircut in India for a FF, right? Therefore, their appearance on the Starting Line will be very very different once they reach the Finish Line.

Putting it into the same context, maybe a dreadlock task?  (SPECULATE: You can do this once you're in Ghana, because it's their culture to dreadlock their hair?)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on June 15, 2010, 01:06:47 AM
But "the girl was heavily tattooed" can confirm this team?

Not with a partner with dreadlocks.

No guys this season with dreadlocks...
Just me thinking out of the box:
how feasible is for a racer to get dreadlocks during the race, specially if they go through a beachy location?

I get what Dan said, and will re-explain:

Like for example, Uchenna and Joyce had a haircut in India for a FF, right? Therefore, their appearance on the Starting Line will be very very different once they reach the Finish Line.

Putting it into the same context, maybe a dreadlock task?  (SPECULATE: You can do this once you're in Ghana, because it's their culture to dreadlock their hair?)

More speculation: There was a Fast Forward in Ghana and one team took it?

Well, not really speculation, but more of a question.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 15, 2010, 01:08:31 AM
Did you see the picture I posted? He would have to use AMAZING HAIR RAPID-GRO!! :lol3:

I hear there may be a cameraguy with dreads though. Still don't think this was us. TARA maybe?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on June 15, 2010, 01:13:54 AM
Did you see the picture I posted? He would have to use AMAZING HAIR RAPID-GRO!! :lol3:

I hear there may be a cameraguy with dreads though. Still don't think this was us. TARA maybe?

That's why I edited when I said it's more of a question than spec.

Okay, another question/spec - they really at F3 now? Do you guys have guesses where the final city is? West coast?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: AmazingRace on June 15, 2010, 02:45:10 AM
Perhaps the leg before the penultimate leg was a non-elimination(F4)?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redskevin88 on June 15, 2010, 02:46:57 AM
wow 2/3 shots for an F/F Team if that is legit  :hearts:  :jumpy:  :wohoo:
Hopefully, it won't turn into All-Stars 2.0 with the young couple taking it.

But it just occurred to me.  With all four teams arriving in the same city on the same flight, how the hell does the straggling team fall behind six hours?!

Traffic? Most signs in Korea are not in English, it's easy to get lost.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 15, 2010, 04:36:55 AM
Did you see the picture I posted? He would have to use AMAZING HAIR RAPID-GRO!! :lol3:

I hear there may be a cameraguy with dreads though. Still don't think this was us. TARA maybe?
If tatooed team appear in Hong Kong leg,then it means there will be an non-emilination leg in Ghana,looks like so early for an non-emiliantion leg(TAR15 leg1 real pitstop is in USA,emiliante Eric and Lisa).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 15, 2010, 09:14:17 AM
I know I am about 18 days behind reading the AR17 threads, but the boat I saw in the 7 minute 52 second Gloucester ship parade was clearly named "Lady S". The commentator with the Boston accent (I guess it's Capt. Joe) just saw it wrong. This is inconsequential, but it was not the "lady J." I want to be among those commending Capt. Joe for that super video.

Actually, apskip, I think Capt. Joe knows his boats pretty well.  Take another look.



EDIT:  I realize it's still a little blurry, but notice the "J" has the same flourish on top as the "L"
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 15, 2010, 10:32:47 AM
So if they're on the way back to the USA - here are the direct flights from Seoul today. I would guess that you would be more likely to see production than racers in the airports today:

               Arr.  Flight  East coast time
Dallas         09:45 KE 31  10:45
Atlanta        11:00 KE 35  11:00
Chicago        10:15 KE 37  11:15
Washington DC  11:25 KE 93  11:25
New York (JFK) 11:55 KE 81  11:55
LA             10:10 KE 17  13:10
LA             11:30 OZ 202 14:30
Seattle        12:25 KE 19  15:25
Detroit        18:00 DL 158 18:00
LA             15:10 KE 11  18:10
LA             15:20 OZ 204 18:20
New York (JFK) 20:30 KE 85  20:30
Toronto        20:55 KE 73  20:55
LA             18:40 OZ 286 21:40
New York (JFK) 21:00 OZ 222 21:00
LA             20:00 KE 11  23:00


I left out SF because it was last years final city...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 15, 2010, 10:37:43 AM
I think today they will do 2nd leg in Seoul,they may return to USA tomorrow.

the possible airline of seoul airport on Jun 16

KE035   10:30    ATLANTA  
KE093   10:40    WASHINGTON  
KE081   11:00    NEWYORK  
KE001   11:20    LOS ANGELES
KE037   11:40    CHICAGO  
UA890   12:10    NEWYORK
  
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 15, 2010, 10:47:26 AM
Remember we should also be looking for the eliminated teams to be back in the US very soon too. They would travel ahead of the racing teams.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 15, 2010, 11:19:54 AM
Can NEVER rule out LAX. :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on June 15, 2010, 11:41:05 AM
Can NEVER rule out LAX. :groan:

You use that facepalm like you know what's going on. Please tell me LA isn't the final city.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 15, 2010, 12:18:13 PM
Can someone help me out with this?

HOW could teams get from Seoul to Melbourne based on the info we have? Does the timeline allow it even theoretically? Are there flights even that would work??  I would like to rule this out based on the info we have from Korea.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 15, 2010, 12:28:03 PM
Can someone help me out with this?

HOW could teams get from Seoul to Melbourne based on the info we have? Does the timeline allow it even theoretically? Are there flights even that would work??  I would like to rule this out based on the info we have from Korea.
I already have.  I think someone's either trying to throw you and the other detectives off, or that was some local thing going on.

Judging from the F3 we might be having, I'm a bit sad to find out that Gary & Mallory went out, possibly before the F4 (as I just don't see them being that fourth team).  Steve & Josh and Mel & Mike excepted, I've always loved and rooted for the parent/child teams.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 15, 2010, 12:38:10 PM
I agree, but for completeness sake I want to KNOW it was impossible.

Also, just on general principles, if I was in LAX I would be hypervigilant. :lol:

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 15, 2010, 12:42:26 PM
Maybe Coutzy could try to track down the  Melbourne Tweeter.  He has a FB page, but friends only, and I don't have a lot of time to track him down.  He seems genuine, but no real details have emerged yet.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 15, 2010, 12:44:02 PM
Also, just on general principles, if I was in LAX I would be hypervigilant. :lol:
Same, and I don't even live in L.A.

So I'm still confused as to whether the teams are doing one more leg in Seoul or are on the way back to America for the final leg by now.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Coutzy on June 15, 2010, 12:51:07 PM
Maybe Coutzy could try to track down the  Melbourne Tweeter.  He has a FB page, but friends only, and I don't have a lot of time to track him down.  He seems genuine, but no real details have emerged yet.

Sent him a reply tweet, no response yet, although in all fairness I sent it at 11:30 PM...

As far as local things go, there has been nothing for several months that would have TV cameras following, unless there is some Amazing Race: Australia that I do not know about (Highly unlikely)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 15, 2010, 01:22:55 PM
tweet!
On the flight with the last two remaining teams of the future season of The Amazing Race from Seoul to LA. Such a rush.
  17 minutes ago  via txt 

Last 2 teams????

I see a flight to Anchorage leaving Seoul about that time, but nothing directly to LAX.

And maybe "last two remaining teams" are really two decoy teams.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 15, 2010, 01:28:11 PM
I think she posted as they ARRIVED in LAX. Should be happening now, as  production was spotted about 945.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 15, 2010, 01:29:21 PM
TWO teams on the flight also raises the possibility of decoys. Am asking for info...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Seattlite on June 15, 2010, 01:37:01 PM
They would never send decoy teams to where they could not be at the finish line. Could they be connecting to another city from LAX? It was not clear to me if production was seen outside the airport.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: stifflfootball on June 15, 2010, 01:39:25 PM
 Might they have arrived on Korean Air 17?  It was scheduled in at 10:10AM PT today, but arrived at 8:33AM.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 15, 2010, 01:40:38 PM
I think she posted as they ARRIVED in LAX. Should be happening now, as  production was spotted about 945.

Oh.  Flight KE17 landed at 8:33, so that's probably it.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: stifflfootball on June 15, 2010, 01:53:57 PM
If there were only 2 teams on the Korean Air flight, then the 3rd team might be on the next flight which is  Asiana 202 that should have arrived around 11:45AM PT.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 15, 2010, 01:58:58 PM
They would never send decoy teams to where they could not be at the finish line. Could they be connecting to another city from LAX? It was not clear to me if production was seen outside the airport.

I didn't say that...I meant that perhaps the two on her flight were the decoy teams. From what we know of Korea, the final 3 were pretty tightly bunched, I would think they might all be on the same flight. There are a couple of flights today that are possible though.

Yes. Production was seen exiting customs about 0945 PST, looking rather surprised that their vans were not there...which would be nicely explained by the early arrival time. :tup:

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: krabbe on June 15, 2010, 02:08:05 PM
Could it be that only 2 teams managed to get seats on the flight to LAX? Just like the S10 finale, I mean.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 15, 2010, 02:14:36 PM
Depends on whether or not they had camera crews with them.  I remember that last season, Louie & Michael were on the same flight to San Francisco as Brent & Caite, Jet & Cord, and Dan & Jordan, and while the latter three teams were seen with camera crews, the detectives weren't.

So if the two teams had no camera crews, they're decoys.  Though there is a possibility of decoys with camera crews.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 15, 2010, 02:29:56 PM
Speculating on the final mat location, the Dodgers are out of town so Dodger Stadium would be available.  LA has no NFL teams but the Coliseum and the Rose Bowl would offer protected locations.  Or they could even go to Anaheim.

Of course there are plenty of non-stadium locations available also.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: stifflfootball on June 15, 2010, 02:35:37 PM
What are the possibilities that they recycle one of the many starting locations in the LA area as the finish line this season?  Might they end up at some place like Santa Anita or Hollywood Park?  I wouldn't bet on it  :snicker:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 15, 2010, 02:38:20 PM
What are the possibilities that they recycle one of the many starting locations in the LA area as the finish line this season?  Might they end up at some place like Santa Anita or Hollywood Park?  I wouldn't bet on it  :snicker:

Actually that is a possibility (though probably not the LA river).  I just realized this is the first TAR to finish in Southern California.  The closest prior finishes have been SF and Phoenix area.



Of course, this is IF Los Angeles is indeed End City.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on June 15, 2010, 03:08:43 PM
LA is a confirmed final city?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Competitor on June 15, 2010, 03:14:16 PM
LA is a confirmed final city?

I believe so. Peach is reporting that production has been spotted in LA.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: stifflfootball on June 15, 2010, 03:33:16 PM
I think a cool finish line would be the headquarters of World Race Productions.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 15, 2010, 04:51:09 PM
I think a cool finish line would be the headquarters of World Race Productions.
That's in L.A.?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: AmazingDT on June 15, 2010, 05:23:51 PM
it looks like i got here in time
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 15, 2010, 06:00:05 PM
Depends on whether or not they had camera crews with them.  I remember that last season, Louie & Michael were on the same flight to San Francisco as Brent & Caite, Jet & Cord, and Dan & Jordan, and while the latter three teams were seen with camera crews, the detectives weren't.

So if the two teams had no camera crews, they're decoys.  Though there is a possibility of decoys with camera crews.

If I remember correctly, we had pictures of Louie and Michael arriving with the production team last season so i don't think they were on the same flight as the final 3 teams.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 15, 2010, 06:12:32 PM
Depends on whether or not they had camera crews with them.  I remember that last season, Louie & Michael were on the same flight to San Francisco as Brent & Caite, Jet & Cord, and Dan & Jordan, and while the latter three teams were seen with camera crews, the detectives weren't.

So if the two teams had no camera crews, they're decoys.  Though there is a possibility of decoys with camera crews.

If I remember correctly, we had pictures of Louie and Michael arriving with the production team last season so i don't think they were on the same flight as the final 3 teams.
The one who identified the F4 said they were on the flight with them, though.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on June 15, 2010, 06:15:41 PM
Chateau Time!!!!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on June 15, 2010, 06:26:51 PM
Well there is that hanger/warehouse that planes fly over at LAX.......painted up with finish line on the roof.   It would be funny if BVM uses it for actual finish line.  I'm just saying....
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on June 15, 2010, 06:35:27 PM
5 hrs...huge time
Can they decribe the 4th team?

Yeah, I'd like to learn the fourth-place team myself.  However, at least I know that two all-female teams are in the Final 3!

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 15, 2010, 10:08:54 PM
Not too many posts lately.  Is it over?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 15, 2010, 10:19:49 PM
I think so....despite LAX and LA being extraordinarily quiet. Could it really be that NO one saw anything?? ???

We def have production on the way home at this point.

Still think that the flight with two teams could possibly be the decoys though.

Heee...somewhere in the halls of CBS champagne is flowing!!

Anyway, we should know 100% by tomorrow.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mandoli on June 15, 2010, 10:48:00 PM
I think so....despite LAX and LA being extraordinarily quiet. Could it really be that NO one saw anything?? ???

LA was not quiet today - NBA finals moved there for game six. Someone was bound to see them.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Competitor on June 15, 2010, 10:55:07 PM
Could production have thrown a major curve ball and the final leg has not begun or is going on elsewhere? Did we ever confirm that the F3 were on a flight from Seoul to LA? I know that two teams were spotted on a flight, but do we know if they weren't decoys? If we haven't done that yet, then I don't know that we can say LA was the final location. Unless I'm missing something?

Only thing about decoys being on a flight to LA is that if the finale isn't in LA, how do you get these decoys to the finish line? Unless they're a day ahead of the F3? I don't know...just throwing stuff out there...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: stifflfootball on June 15, 2010, 11:01:55 PM
I wonder if they had time to do 2 legs in South Korea.  If they did, the 2 teams that were spotted on the plane into LAX today might have been the 5th & 6th place teams.  That would mean they did leg 11 Tuesday in Korea and fly to LA for a Wednesday finish with the final 3 teams and the final eliminated team.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: theschnauzers on June 15, 2010, 11:03:30 PM
Wednesday is day 21 isn't it?  Sounds to me as if they're on schedule.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on June 15, 2010, 11:25:42 PM
Since they made the announcement today that the McCoy brothers will be parade marshals at the Calgary Stampede, as most know, twitter is overloaded with people tweeting about that.....any sightings are drowned out. Sounds like a good plan to me.....announce it the same day as final and drown it out. Personally, I think real finish is tomorrow....Wed, not Tues...we will see.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Snooky on June 15, 2010, 11:44:57 PM
Could production have thrown a major curve ball and the final leg has not begun or is going on elsewhere? Did we ever confirm that the F3 were on a flight from Seoul to LA? I know that two teams were spotted on a flight, but do we know if they weren't decoys? If we haven't done that yet, then I don't know that we can say LA was the final location. Unless I'm missing something?

Only thing about decoys being on a flight to LA is that if the finale isn't in LA, how do you get these decoys to the finish line? Unless they're a day ahead of the F3? I don't know...just throwing stuff out there...
Somehow I get the feeling it won't be in LA either..
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 15, 2010, 11:52:29 PM
All I know for sure is that production is on the way home...so who is minding the racers?? :funny:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 15, 2010, 11:57:41 PM
All I know for sure is that production is on the way home...so who is minding the racers?? :funny:
If the race still hasn't ended yet, then maybe the production team of the penultimate episode has gone home, but there's still some production members staying behind for the final leg tomorrow.

If not, then the race did end today and the teams somehow finished very much under-the-radar.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2010, 12:33:51 AM
Okay...now we have a problem!!

Flightstats has updated it's info to show that KE17 did NOT arrive at 833...but a few minutes late at 1024.

ICN Seoul KE 17  Korean Air Lines 10:10 AM  10:24 AM 

So production prob had to come in on KE 1 which came via Tokyo?? and DID arr at 0833, very doable if they left Seoul by 1030 or so.

No idea why they would not do the nonstops....
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Coutzy on June 16, 2010, 01:01:33 AM
Okay...now we have a problem!!

Flightstats has updated it's info to show that KE17 did NOT arrive at 833...but a few minutes late at 1024.

ICN Seoul KE 17  Korean Air Lines 10:10 AM  10:24 AM  

So production prob had to come in on KE 1 which came via Tokyo?? and DID arr at 0833, very doable if they left Seoul by 1030 or so.

No idea why they would not do the nonstops....

Would that be potentially cheaper??? CBS would want to cut costs wouldn't they, and as long as it arrived in time it wouldn't matter, right?  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: tarflyonthewall on June 16, 2010, 01:54:36 AM
Making the obvious suggestion here, is it possible LA's not the finish at all, and teams are just connecting? There's not that many flights between Seoul and the US, and if they finished in, like, the Midwest or somewhere, then you'd need to make a connection either on the west coast somewhere or in Vancouver. So it's possible the teams seen on the flight could either be decoys, and thus still have time to get elsewhere if they're flying ahead, or they're the actual teams connecting, with one other team connecting through somewhere else or just not seen?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: maf on June 16, 2010, 03:15:23 AM
or they're the actual teams connecting, with one other team connecting through somewhere else or just not seen?

Remember that in the last season the teams did not have any choice in which flight to take to end city. I guess production did that to ensure an exiting last leg where all teams arrive on the same flight. So if they follow that pattern then all three teams should be on the same flight.

Which would mean that either the spotted teams are decoys, or the spotter missed one team:-)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 16, 2010, 04:50:50 AM
Making the obvious suggestion here, is it possible LA's not the finish at all, and teams are just connecting? There's not that many flights between Seoul and the US, and if they finished in, like, the Midwest or somewhere, then you'd need to make a connection either on the west coast somewhere or in Vancouver. So it's possible the teams seen on the flight could either be decoys, and thus still have time to get elsewhere if they're flying ahead, or they're the actual teams connecting, with one other team connecting through somewhere else or just not seen?

There are a reasonable number of direct flights from Seoul within the period we were looking: Atlanta, Dulles, JFK, Dallas, O'Hare, San Fran, and of course LA. The crunch for me is that Production landed and were seen exiting by a reliable source at LAX this morning. So despite the lack of sightings today of actual contestants, at this stage we do believe that they did finish the race today, in the LA area, unfortunately without us having been able to track them at this point. We don't know yet if teams were actually on the same flight as production, or if they were decoy teams seen, with the contestants arriving on a different (unknown) flight.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Competitor on June 16, 2010, 07:23:16 AM
Making the obvious suggestion here, is it possible LA's not the finish at all, and teams are just connecting? There's not that many flights between Seoul and the US, and if they finished in, like, the Midwest or somewhere, then you'd need to make a connection either on the west coast somewhere or in Vancouver. So it's possible the teams seen on the flight could either be decoys, and thus still have time to get elsewhere if they're flying ahead, or they're the actual teams connecting, with one other team connecting through somewhere else or just not seen?

There are a reasonable number of direct flights from Seoul within the period we were looking: Atlanta, Dulles, JFK, Dallas, O'Hare, San Fran, and of course LA. The crunch for me is that Production landed and were seen exiting by a reliable source at LAX this morning. So despite the lack of sightings today of actual contestants, at this stage we do believe that they did finish the race today, in the LA area, unfortunately without us having been able to track them at this point. We don't know yet if teams were actually on the same flight as production, or if they were decoy teams seen, with the contestants arriving on a different (unknown) flight.


I may be missing something, but was production seen exiting LAX going to film or were they seen exiting LAX perhaps to go home? Perhaps the final leg was elsewhere and production was just going home?

If that were the case, with the quick turnaround...I would say the final leg would have to have been in Alaska or somewhere in the US that is as close to Seoul as you can get...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2010, 08:25:22 AM
No...we know the times they were in Camp Casey, and reportedly no intermediate leg.

Production apparently looked like a wrap...just like last season. Some come home, some finish the job.

We are still working on this though, the times are a bit odd.

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 16, 2010, 08:30:35 AM
look like Soul has only one leg,if this season has 12 episodes,maybe two possibility:double leg in Seoul or one more leg between Russia and China.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Seattlite on June 16, 2010, 09:13:08 AM
LA has been used so often in recent races it seems it would be tough for them to do anything and fly under the radar.  Perhaps they are nearby outside the city or down in San Diego. Anyone know and just protecting the finish line this time? Just asking.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 16, 2010, 01:12:12 PM
Hi all.  i am new to this forum.  I guess this means Conner and Jonathan are not around?

They're either in 4th and far behind -- but then again, there are several other teams, including an all-female team in lime green who might be far behind as well -- or are already out by this point.  My guess is that they're already out and are either decoys or a late Elimination station team.
The thought just came to me this morning after someone pointed it out during my latest Sucks trip.  They might be a late Elimination Station team.  The spoiler who made the St. Petersburg flight sighting only mentioned seeing several coed and women's teams.  Nothing about a men's team or two being there.  And remember -- the guy (or girl) who'd made the sighting had been with the teams since pre-boarding, was on the flight with them, and even stayed with them through customs (he/she even interacted with Gary & Mallory), after which he/she parted ways with them.  He/she'd have had lots of time to look at the teams and spot a men's team if there was one.  Because he/she didn't mention any, I wonder if Connor & Jonathan (and, for that matter, Kenny & Kevin, too) left during the Sweden (or Sweden-area) legs?

As for the finale, it's amazing the F3 teams might've snuck in under our radars.  But with either the playoffs or championships going on, people were probably too focused on that to have seen them arrive.

"Met Phil Keoghan (Host of Amazing Race) yesterday, as a viewer I had great expectations for him as a person, they were surpassed 10-fold!!Ha"
Hmm.  Definitely sounds like the race is done, then.  Wonder what he was doing in AZ, though?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 16, 2010, 02:10:02 PM
"Met [someone famous] yesterday, as a viewer I had great expectations for him as a person, they were surpassed 10-fold!!Ha"
Hmm.  Definitely sounds like the race is done, then.  Wonder what he was doing in [another state], though?

It looks like that poster was in LA.  He just graduated from college and has been working in LA.  It almost sounds like he may have had an interview and that's how he met that famous person.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 16, 2010, 02:23:33 PM
"Met Phil Keoghan (Host of Amazing Race) yesterday, as a viewer I had great expectations for him as a person, they were surpassed 10-fold!!Ha"
Hmm.  Definitely sounds like the race is done, then.  Wonder what he was doing in AZ, though?

It looks like that poster was in LA.  He just graduated from ASU and has been working for MTV.  It almost sounds like he may have had an interview and that's how he met Phil.
Oh, yeah, I guess that makes more sense.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 16, 2010, 02:33:53 PM
I think if you follow the tweet trail provided by our twitterer - you'll figure out that he (and some other PAs) had a 7:30am call in El Segundo yesterday...

Edit - the call was for 7:30 am on Monday in El Segundo - probably WRP HQ. Don't know where/when Tuesday's call was - but there was one.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 16, 2010, 03:23:14 PM
"Met [a famous person] yesterday, as a viewer I had great expectations for him as a person, they were surpassed 10-fold!!Ha"

Twitter id removed.

Tweet has disappeared - I didn't know you could delete tweets...

***SPECULATION***
Maybe he got the job and that's why he had to remove the reference for confidentiality reasons.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Hooky on June 16, 2010, 05:31:13 PM
The finale is probably going on right now somewhere and we will not be told by Peach, etc. where it is until it's over. What fun. :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2010, 06:11:16 PM
The race ended yesterday, Hooky.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: apskip on June 17, 2010, 11:18:07 AM
I think a cool finish line would be the headquarters of World Race Productions.

It's in the Los Angeles region at El Segundo the city just south of LAX. I recall tha WRP also has major offices in Marina del Rey, which is seaside unincorporated area of Los Angeles County with a  2000 population of  8,176.

I believe that the LAX sitings were of WRP crew not needed for the finish wherever it was. There are leaders of RFF who likely know but are not telling us.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: MamaT on June 17, 2010, 11:47:50 AM
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There are leaders of RFF who know but are not telling us
Thats a pretty strong statement.  Any proof? Because from what Ive seen and heard the "leaders" are as frustrated as everybody else  (maybe more so)that the Race ended without being seen.

And while I'm at it, I know this probably isnt the right thread, but there isnt a "Great Job Guys" thread, so Im hoping TexasLady will forgive me...but I just wanted to say what an amazing job all of you do here at RFF! This is my first season of watching spoilers and I have been consistently impressed with how much work and dedication goes into figuring out tidbits of info and translating it into a workable time line.  The love, committment and repsect for TAR shown by each of you has been really impressive.
I know that this is a huge co-operative effort, and I dont want to minimalize the efforts of anyone else, but GeorgiaPeach, if there is ever a TAR Hall of Fame, you deserve a special place there! You are simply amazing!!  I cant even imagine the hours that you spend dedicated to this pursuit. You sacrifice your time, energy and many a good nights sleep to figuring out this stuff and your actions are very much appreciated!!
So, again, great job RFF!!  Since these things are so popular here, let me just end by saying:
 :wohoo:    :jumpy:     :hearts:     :keeta:    :yourock:    :gj:     :ty    :hfive:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Coutzy on June 17, 2010, 12:04:40 PM
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There are leaders of RFF who know but are not telling us
Thats a pretty strong statement.  Any proof? Because from what Ive seen and heard the "leaders" are as frustrated as everybody else  (maybe more so)that the Race ended without being seen.


It's not often I jump in to defend Apskip's opinions, but I feel it is necessary this time.

This is your first season chasing the spoilers, so you do not know, but a LOT of the time, there are a few here that know the final destination city, however they do not reveal it to the rest of us. Apskip, who has followed the spoilers for a long time, knows this and is making an assumption based on past experience. An assumption which I believe is based on a nearly 100% occurrence in past seasons.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: River on June 17, 2010, 12:17:17 PM
I think a cool finish line would be the headquarters of World Race Productions.

It's in the Los Angeles region at El Segundo the city just south of LAX. I recall tha WRP also has major offices in Marina del Rey, which is seaside unincorporated area of Los Angeles County with a  2000 population of  8,176.

I believe that the LAX sitings were of WRP crew not needed for the finish whether it was. There are leaders of RFF who know but are not telling us.
Thank you apskip! I knew something was up.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 17, 2010, 12:33:53 PM
There are leaders of RFF who know but are not telling us.
Yet.  They sometimes let a few more things out at least a week or so before the season starts, after the cast is officially released, or as things go along during the season.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: michael on June 17, 2010, 12:44:33 PM
Something I personally don't understand is the withholding of information -- it always confused me -- this IS a spoiler site afterall..
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: MamaT on June 17, 2010, 01:09:58 PM
I didnt mean to start anything here :groan: and I certainly dont need to fight other people's battles, but may I offer a different perspective?  One of the most important words (IMO) that I used in my praise for all the hardworking spoilers here is RESPECT. Respect for the show, the people that make it, the people that run it.  Because of that respect, there are times that certain information cannot be shared, I would suspect.  I admire the restraint that is often shown.   I trust that there is good reason that not everything gets divulged.  Hell, I'm a nobody here and I had info that didnt get posted.  Not out of any big conspiracy, or any delight in withholding, but because the release of the info would have gotten someone in trouble.  Someone who didnt deserve to get in trouble.  Im sure that that is often the case, and it must be a fine line to walk between protecting your sources and sharing the news.

FWIW, I dont believe that anyone knows much more about the end city than has been reported.  But if Im wrong, Im OK with that.  I trust that there is a reason and that it is a sound one and that the info will be shared with the rest of us when the time is right.

Until I am ready to go without sleep for nights on end, or take time off from work or spend years cultivating the relationships that bring me news, Im not willing to criticize or complain about those that do.   I wil simply sit here in gratitude and appreciation.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: theschnauzers on June 17, 2010, 01:10:46 PM
The withholding of information takes place for two reasons -- first to protect a valuable source. or sources, and second, to prevent interference with the actual production of the Race.

Both of those reasons are fair and legitimate. Over the years TPTB have provided things in editing the show that more or less filled in the gaps in reconstructing the actual course and tasks of the Race.

TAR 17 hasn't been as fully spoilered as to other recent seasons as to locations and cast identifications, but that's the way it is sometimes.  Although past Races have shown that more teams identifications are likely to take place before the CBS announcement probably in August.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TexasLady on June 17, 2010, 01:18:56 PM
Just for the record... I know NOTHING! So Y'all know what I know and probably more.   :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on June 17, 2010, 01:20:22 PM
Just so you know - withholding spoiler information is not done maliciously - it is usually done to protect our sources so we can milk them for more information later on. Any of us who have nurtured relationships with TAR "insiders" carefully disseminate the information we get so as to not betray our source..

This season we monitored a lot of different people who inadvertently let slip tidbits of information long before they started filming TAR 17. For me at least, this was all stuff that was publicly visible via twitter, or blogs or Facebook. If I had posted what I knew, the sources would have dried up and we wouldn't have gotten any further information from them.

In the middle of filming, when I see twitters, or Facebook posts or blogs I post them to the forum immediately - along with the source information (which I know some people disagree with). Sometimes this leads to the poster being swarmed with requests for more info - which can be unexpected and overwhelming for an individual unaware of the consequences of their post.

Everyone who reads this is free to do their own detective work, to spend hours in airports and look for film permits.  If you just want to read the results of our labours thats fine - but don't complain when you feel like you're not getting everything. Nobody should expect to be hand fed spoilers without doing some work yourselves.

And, I'm frustrated that we didn't detect the finale location. But, to the best of my knowledge, no one here is withholding that info.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 17, 2010, 02:15:56 PM
There are leaders of RFF who likely know but are not telling us.

apskip has been off line for almost the entire spoiling race, so in this case he is not aware of the current status of the spoilers.

This is 100%  FALSE. 

We do not know anymore about the finish line than has been posted. Darn it all! :lol:

The withholding of information takes place for two reasons -- first to protect a valuable source. or sources, and second, to prevent interference with the actual production of the Race.


This is 100% TRUE.

People often give us tidbits of info, on condition of anonymity. I personally guarantee to 100% protect any source who requests it. Sometimes I am able to provide some info but not identify where it comes from or how I got it.

Sometimes info is also sensitive, and might inadvertently reveal a source, so the ID is hidden. And most importantly, RFF is committed to protecting the race...we all love it and want it to live long and prosper. When there is spoiler info discovered ahead of the ACTUAL RUNNING of the race...we do sometimes withhold that info until the race is safely underway in order to prevent any undue interference with the race itself.

For instance, in Season 12, we discovered the location of the finale 24 hours before the racers arrived. In order to prevent crowds at the finish line or any disruption of the finish, we chose to withhold the location until after the race was safely over. You will also notice that we have (and will again) withheld divulging the location of the start until the racers are safely away.  Under no circumstances do we want our spoilers to interfere with the actual running of the race itself.

And thanks for the kind words MamaT, but this is a TEAM effort. Many of you have brought us tweets and twitters and FB info that has contributed enormously to the whole spoiler database. We couldn't do it without your keen eyes and hours of searching.

And to the hardcore detective team who spend hours of their time, energy, and in some cases, hard earned $$, Huge thanks!! You all are what make this site the star that it is!!


Everyone who reads this is free to do their own detective work, to spend hours in airports and look for film permits.  If you just want to read the results of our labours that's fine - but don't complain when you feel like you're not getting everything. .

What wp said. :tup: And if you want to help...jump on in!! All contributions are enormously appreciated! Plus it is just plain fun. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Hooky on June 17, 2010, 02:20:02 PM
The race ended yesterday, Hooky.

But you said that too early last season, and it wasn't true. I don't have good reason to believe that. :duno:

I'll sit back and wait for more potential info, but it's not much fun to wait for spoilers that won't come while knowing that I'm too busy to do such detective work myself most of the time.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Hooky on June 17, 2010, 02:32:32 PM
The bottom line is that I've just seen too many contradictions and weird occurrences to believe that everything is as you say it is, Peach. It doesn't add up in my mind.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TexasLady on June 17, 2010, 04:01:06 PM
OK!  Let's get back on topic.  :angel:


Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TexasLady on June 17, 2010, 06:36:44 PM
I can't stand the suspense. Where did they put the finish line! I like the idea of Marina del Rey, but is that too easy a guess?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on June 17, 2010, 06:48:36 PM
I can't stand the suspense. Where did they put the finish line! I like the idea of Marina del Rey, but is that too easy a guess?

Personally, this is something I would like to find out in Dec this year.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Cocoa on June 17, 2010, 06:58:02 PM
If these people still complain why they aren't getting any spoiler, then the detectives might as well do not give any information AT ALL! :o :o :angel:

Okay, sorry TL, back to topic!  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: chill_sd on June 17, 2010, 07:11:30 PM
I can't stand the suspense. Where did they put the finish line! I like the idea of Marina del Rey, but is that too easy a guess?

If I recall correctly, we didn't know last season either, even though we had at least three sightings in SF.  I remember Peach figuring it out just about the same time that CBS began airing a promo that showed Candlestick Park.

It's hard to believe that there have been no reported sightings in LA, but maybe they self drove from the airport and had challenges indoors.

I was also thinking that even though production was seen at LAX, the teams might have flown in elsewhere, like John Wayne or Burbank.  It would have meant convoluted flights from Seoul, but it could have happened.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 17, 2010, 10:03:22 PM
I can't stand the suspense. Where did they put the finish line! I like the idea of Marina del Rey, but is that too easy a guess?

If I recall correctly, we didn't know last season either, even though we had at least three sightings in SF.  I remember Peach figuring it out just about the same time that CBS began airing a promo that showed Candlestick Park.

It's hard to believe that there have been no reported sightings in LA, but maybe they self drove from the airport and had challenges indoors.

I was also thinking that even though production was seen at LAX, the teams might have flown in elsewhere, like John Wayne or Burbank.  It would have meant convoluted flights from Seoul, but it could have happened.

I have no idea where the race ended (good job CBS!! :jam: ) but end it did... and that gives us all about 6 months to figure it out!! :jumpy:

For those who think the fun is over....think again!

It is just beginning! It is a very recent thing that has allowed us to track the race as well as we do in "live time". Until a few seasons ago...almost all of our spoilers came days to weeks after the race had run...from not tweets and twitters but good old detective work...slogging through photos and blogs and reading travel sites  and searching for the littlest mention of something...that might lead to something else ...that might lead us to the spoiler. In some ways...that is still the most fun. Things turn up in the ODDEST places and ways. And what fun would it be if we knew every little detail right now anyway? We can now sit back, reevaluate all the info (and mis-info :lol: ) we received and start the real work. It won't come as fast and as furious as the last few weeks (thank goodness, honestly killer race fatigue has nothing on RFF spoiler fatigue :funny:) but it will come. And I am southern to the core...and I believe completely in "the kindness of strangers". People are amazingly generous and willing to share their stories and their photos and their time. And then later, we'll have screencaps to analyze.

Spoilers WILL come. And we'll have fun finding them. And any of y'all can come play "spoilers" too. And if a find can be shared, it will be. But I personally will never share anything that will break a confidence, or do something that I believe might actually hurt the show... And if anyone doesn't like that? Tough tooties, go find your own.  :neener:

And you are right about Candlestick Park, chills. We had the general area narrowed down to "Hunter's Point" around the time of the actual filming, then Chateau and I speculated after our excursion that Candlestick Park was one of two likely sites. I messed around with that intermittently, then was finally able to get the permit confirmation evidence on the very day CBS aired the promo. I still laugh at all the time and phone calls I could have saved myself if I had only known that CBS was going to spoil it themselves! :lol: In the "good old days"  :wise that NEVER would have happened!

Okay... That's it from me. Back on topic before TexasLady comes after us! :vader:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: inomu on June 18, 2010, 03:12:50 AM
Speculating: tasks in Sweden. Next Saturday, June 19 (tomorrow), there will be the wedding of Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden. And that is VERY big thing in Sweden and big media happening in all over Europe. So I can imagine that TAR had some tasks that had something to do with the royals?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Jobby on June 18, 2010, 05:11:28 AM
Isn't the race over already?

The aspect of 2/3 teams to be F/F speculated in the Final 3... makes me excited.. for the season.. INSTANTLY. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 18, 2010, 06:14:18 AM
Isn't the race over already?

The aspect of 2/3 teams to be F/F speculated in the Final 3... makes me excited.. for the season.. INSTANTLY. :lol:
Same here.  God, I wish it were September now.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: AmazingRace on June 18, 2010, 08:49:59 AM
Just hope that it won't be another Dustin/Kandice upset.   :please:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Plaidmoon on June 18, 2010, 02:08:02 PM
Speculating: tasks in Sweden. Next Saturday, June 19 (tomorrow), there will be the wedding of Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden. And that is VERY big thing in Sweden and big media happening in all over Europe. So I can imagine that TAR had some tasks that had something to do with the royals?

I'd say it's unlikely. People frequently try to tie TAR to some important topical local event that is occurring as TAR passes through. For example, a couple of people suggested that TAR would do something this time in South Africa to connect with the World Cup. Without looking anything up, I'd say that has never happened. To me, TAR seems to be very determined to not have indication just when the race was run and wants instead for it to seem timeless. About the closest they come is to go to Olympic sites a year or so after the Olympics.

If they do have any events connected to the royals, it will likely be to one of Sweden's great Kings or Queens of the past. Maybe find a statue or something like that.

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on June 18, 2010, 05:36:19 PM
Just hope that it won't be another Dustin/Kandice upset.   :please:

Me too.  I really want to see an all-female team win this year -- as long as they're likeable.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 19, 2010, 05:57:58 AM
Just hope that it won't be another Dustin/Kandice upset.   :please:

Me too.  I really want to see an all-female team win this year -- as long as they're likeable.

Belle Book

I don't care if they AREN'T likable.  It's high time for one to win.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Jobby on June 20, 2010, 06:38:24 AM
With 4 all-female teams, it's like having nearly 40% chance.. as compared to one team in TAR 15. -_-
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: apskip on June 20, 2010, 07:10:00 AM
And with apparently 2 out of 3 Final 3 teams F/F that would increase the simple-case probability from 36% to 67%.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 20, 2010, 10:28:13 AM
Just saw survivorsucks,someone saw tatooed team in Hong Kong.

Dunno if this helps y'all, but I saw a couple running from the HK airport to the Airport express train with a cameraman and another guy (producer I'm assuming) on Saturday. The guy asked the train attendant specifically for some sort of bus, so I'm guessing a clue told them they had to take something specific. Anyhow, the guy had distinctive hair (dreads or something similar) and the girl was heavily tattooed.

Team Grey... I don't see any dreads??

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/backpacks/teamgreymalebackpack.jpg)



We need to take another look at this.  :tup:

I remain unconvinced about the dreads...but maybe something is hiding under that hat?? :lol:

But heavily tattooed woman IS pretty distinctive....
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 20, 2010, 08:45:18 PM
Just saw survivorsucks,someone saw tatooed team in Hong Kong.

Dunno if this helps y'all, but I saw a couple running from the HK airport to the Airport express train with a cameraman and another guy (producer I'm assuming) on Saturday. The guy asked the train attendant specifically for some sort of bus, so I'm guessing a clue told them they had to take something specific. Anyhow, the guy had distinctive hair (dreads or something similar) and the girl was heavily tattooed.

Team Grey... I don't see any dreads??

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/backpacks/teamgreymalebackpack.jpg)



We need to take another look at this.  :tup:

I remain unconvinced about the dreads...but maybe something is hiding under that hat?? :lol:

But heavily tattooed woman IS pretty distinctive....
I agree.  To think many of us were thinking that they might've been one of the first three teams out.  Instead, they might've made it to the F4.  If they did, they were probably the fourth team who fell way behind going into Korea.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on June 20, 2010, 10:29:44 PM
I took another look at him,still think he doesn't have dreads. :(
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mjriches2005 on June 21, 2010, 02:53:07 PM
Article at http://reality-tv-gossip.suite101.com/article.cfm/amazing-race-17-reaches-finish-line-in-los-angeles-california

Basically, its a quick summary of everything we have found so far (They even credit us for all the information.) It contains some pretty serious spoilers, so I wont post the actual article here.

I think that article is way off.  First of all, gossip is useless chatter.  11 legs in 21 days, I thought there are 12 legs in this upcoming season.  Also there isn't enough evidence in Los Angeles to support it as the final leg city.  There has been no reports of the teams (decoys too) racing through the area that day and no filming permits like from the last two seasons has come up yet.  I say Los Angeles is just a transit point to the real final city.  Some of the production crew that were flying back to LA to go home were just done for their time and they could have switch crews for the final leg.  Another reason why LA could not be the finish line is due to the NBA Final Rounds. There was a game on June 15 with the Lakers vs Celtics at the Staples Center that day.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Coutzy on June 21, 2010, 03:29:15 PM
Article at http://reality-tv-gossip.suite101.com/article.cfm/amazing-race-17-reaches-finish-line-in-los-angeles-california

Basically, its a quick summary of everything we have found so far (They even credit us for all the information.) It contains some pretty serious spoilers, so I wont post the actual article here.

I think that article is way off.  First of all, gossip is useless chatter.  11 legs in 21 days, I thought there are 12 legs in this upcoming season.  Also there isn't enough evidence in Los Angeles to support it as the final leg city.  There has been no reports of the teams (decoys too) racing through the area that day and no filming permits like from the last two seasons has come up yet.  I say Los Angeles is just a transit point to the real final city.  Some of the production crew that were flying back to LA to go home were just done for their time and they could have switch crews for the final leg.  Another reason why LA could not be the finish line is due to the NBA Final Rounds. There was a game on June 15 with the Lakers vs Celtics at the Staples Center that day.

Why would that stop them coming in on that day?

And keep in mind the race route and timings were most likely planned months before the NBA finals even started.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: apskip on June 21, 2010, 06:04:27 PM
Article at http://reality-tv-gossip.suite101.com/article.cfm/amazing-race-17-reaches-finish-line-in-los-angeles-california

Basically, its a quick summary of everything we have found so far (They even credit us for all the information.) It contains some pretty serious spoilers, so I wont post the actual article here.

I think that article is way off.  First of all, gossip is useless chatter.  11 legs in 21 days, I thought there are 12 legs in this upcoming season.  Also there isn't enough evidence in Los Angeles to support it as the final leg city.  There has been no reports of the teams (decoys too) racing through the area that day and no filming permits like from the last two seasons has come up yet.  I say Los Angeles is just a transit point to the real final city.  Some of the production crew that were flying back to LA to go home were just done for their time and they could have switch crews for the final leg.  Another reason why LA could not be the finish line is due to the NBA Final Rounds. There was a game on June 15 with the Lakers vs Celtics at the Staples Center that day.

Why would that stop them coming in on that day?

And keep in mind the race route and timings were most likely planned months before the NBA finals even started.

I agree that it should not have stopped them and even could have provided some cover. After all, game 6 of the NBA finals was on June 15 and game 7 on June 17. All the Laker and Celtics fans would have made it into the LA area by June 15. However, the schedule for the NBA finals was more or less determined months in advance by the NBA for each round from Eastern and Western Conference round 1 to conference round 2 to conference finals to NBA finals. My guess is that it preceded the final route for AR17.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: maf on June 22, 2010, 01:43:18 AM
I do not think it is worth much, but after they aired the last episode (EP4 S12) here in Sweden last Sunday there was a short announcement. There was a voice over during the credits which said something like "The upcoming season 17 which debuts in the states this fall will feature no less than 4 beauty queens".

I have never heard them even mention the fact that we are slightly behind the states in showing AR so this was most unusual. I would not be surprised if this was a local idea and that they got the data from these boards.

But if something similar has happened in other countries then it may be something which came through official channels.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 22, 2010, 04:45:00 AM
Oh dear....since we did have to retract the 4 beauty queens thing.  :'(
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on June 29, 2010, 06:03:25 PM
Her latest tweet is interesting in light of the possibility that she was recently in Ghana:

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Proud of our #USA United States team, but Congrats #GHA Ghana, a country in much need of more happiness.

PS - no tweets between 5/18 and 6/21.

If either Andie or Jenna made that comment because she was recently in Ghana, then that means the team made it past England and weren't the first team eliminated.  Good.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 29, 2010, 07:53:02 PM
Wow! Again great job! =D

What is their relationship? Sisters? Mother/Daughter? I can't seem to know. :lol:

I'm just glad to see a team that doesn't appear to have possibly been recruited.

Ditto. And it looks like a mother and daughter to me! :yess:
To me, too.  They look way too much alike to be aunt and niece.  I'm going with a mother/daughter team, as well.

This means we have a whopping THREE parent/child teams this go-round (Kenny & Kevin, father/son, Gary & Mallory, father/daughter, and now, Andie & Jenna, mother/daughter)!  We'd have the full set if they'd cast a mother/son team, too!  Still, it's a record for this show!  First, a record-breaking four women's teams AND THEN a record-breaking THREE parent/child teams (just after the previous record-breaking TWO of TAR14's Mel & Mike and Margie & Luke).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on June 29, 2010, 08:07:29 PM
For the record, Jenna and Andie's relationship remains SPECULATION, there is no evidence either way.

So WAY too early to start saying we have 3 parent/child teams, okay? We like our facts confirmed first, and we have the FACT of two parent/child teams, but the third remains SPEC only at this point.

So NO record breaking claims yet please Paron....facts only for now.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on June 29, 2010, 08:44:16 PM
Still gonna say they're mother and daughter, though, until I hear otherwise, though.  Sorry.

Oh, but you go on ahead and find your proof of otherwise, though.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on June 30, 2010, 04:00:41 AM
It will interesting to see if they are a stepmother/stepdaughter team, now that we KNOW that they are not a mother/daughter team.

A new and different twist for TAR.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: AmazingDT on June 30, 2010, 03:51:07 PM
i think they are aunt and niece

aunt being a twin to jennas mom  :duno:

that could be the reason they look so similar
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: theschnauzers on July 01, 2010, 07:27:47 PM
We're overdue for some different familial relationships, such as the step-parent/step-child, or aunt-uncle/nephew-niece, or even in-laws; we had some of these in the family edition, but that was groups of four related in some way by blood or marriage, and we haven't had them in 2-member teams.

With the information that team red involves a blended family, I think the odds are high for one of these three new categories of relationships to make an appearance.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on July 01, 2010, 07:59:41 PM
We're overdue for some different familial relationships, such as the step-parent/step-child, or aunt/uncle-nephew niece, pr even in-laws; we had some of these in the family edition, but that was groups of four related in some way by blood or marraige, and we haven't had them in 2-member teams.

With the information that team red involves a blended family, I think the odds are high for one of these three new categories of relationships to make an appearance.
Well, now that we know that Andie & Jenna aren't mother and daughter, I'd be down with them being aunt and niece or stepmother and stepdaughter.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redskevin88 on July 02, 2010, 04:39:41 AM
Fraternal Twins would be nice... has there been a girl/girl twins teams?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Cocoa on July 02, 2010, 05:00:03 AM
Fraternal Twins would be nice... has there been a girl/girl twins teams?

Kami and Karli. :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Chateau d If on July 02, 2010, 09:19:31 AM

sorry to barge in without reading the thread etc.

Only a few minurtes of internet access.

Does anybody know what happens in Siena in less than 3 hours !!!!

I will be standing in the middle of it  :neener:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on July 02, 2010, 10:02:27 AM

sorry to barge in without reading the thread etc.

Only a few minurtes of internet access.

Does anybody know what happens in Siena in less than 3 hours !!!!

I will be standing in the middle of it  :neener:
The "other" Amazing Race!
Palio di Siena :rodeo :horsey:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redskevin88 on July 03, 2010, 03:36:46 AM
Fraternal Twins would be nice... has there been a girl/girl twins teams?

Kami and Karli. :groan:

Oh yeah! Sorry I'm not familiar with the early seasons, only maybe season 12 or 13 onwards...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Hooky on July 03, 2010, 09:17:45 AM
Fraternal Twins would be nice... has there been a girl/girl twins teams?

Kami and Karli. :groan:

Oh yeah! Sorry I'm not familiar with the early seasons, only maybe season 12 or 13 onwards...

You need to watch them, then! They're the best ones.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on July 04, 2010, 05:11:15 PM
Just saw survivorsucks,someone saw tatooed team in Hong Kong.

Dunno if this helps y'all, but I saw a couple running from the HK airport to the Airport express train with a cameraman and another guy (producer I'm assuming) on Saturday. The guy asked the train attendant specifically for some sort of bus, so I'm guessing a clue told them they had to take something specific. Anyhow, the guy had distinctive hair (dreads or something similar) and the girl was heavily tattooed.

Team Grey... I don't see any dreads??
Did this one ever come to fruition?  I've been wondering for weeks.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Coutzy on July 06, 2010, 10:37:54 AM
If Kiruna pans out, heres some things to do-

SPECULATION

The Kiruna Ice hotel- Built in Jukkasjärvi  each winter since 1990 and has become a major tourist attraction.

That may not work due to timing (I'm not certain how long the ice hotel stays after being built, but producers have been known to "creatively adjust" the schedules of things like the Holi Festival, so why not?)

Every winter the Snow Festival is held, and every summer since 2000 (The city's centenary) the Kiruna Festival has been held (See notes for Ice Hotel)

A key industry of the area is Iron Ore and much of the town is dependent on mining- Possibly a task revolving around that?

Kiruna hosts the Sweden Spaceport, and the Institute of Space Physics

The church in Kiruna, built in 1912, is one of Sweden's largest wooden buildings. It has separately been voted Sweden's best looking church and the foremost Swedish pre-1950 construction.


All that above is unconfirmed, completely speculation, and probably nowhere near the truth

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on July 06, 2010, 11:10:26 AM
Some other "cool" facts about Kiruna:
Its above the Arctic circle, so on June 1 they have 24 hours of daylight.
Home to Börje Salming - best Swedish hockey player ever!

3 flights from ARN to Kiruna on June 1:
NAS 3761 dep 10:25 arr 11:55
SK 1042 dep 11:07 arr 12:31
SK 1044 dep 13:25 arr 14:40

I don't have the actual arrival time for NAS 3761 - but it is interesting to note that it changed departure gates in ARN which could account for the teams running around the airport.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on July 06, 2010, 11:26:13 AM
We have the times of that sighting...will need to recheck but I think it was around 11 ish.

Largest iron ore mine...

I love this so far!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on July 06, 2010, 11:34:58 AM
Wait, so is Arlanda airport in Kiruna, then?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on July 06, 2010, 12:05:51 PM
Wait, so is Arlanda airport in Kiruna, then?
Wait?
Arlanda airport is in PayAttentionVille - right next to StopBeingIrritatingTown.  :wall:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: MamaT on July 06, 2010, 12:23:21 PM
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Arlanda airport is in PayAttentionVille - right next to StopBeingIrritatingTown.

 :lol:     :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: maf on July 06, 2010, 12:38:48 PM
The Kiruna Ice hotel- Built in Jukkasjärvi  each winter since 1990 and has become a major tourist attraction.

That may not work due to timing (I'm not certain how long the ice hotel stays after being built, but producers have been known to "creatively adjust" the schedules of things like the Holi Festival, so why not?)

Even their creativity may have a hard time to stand up against mother nature. The Ice hotel usually closes around April due to melting.

I think they have an Ice-bar open year round in a climate-controlled room. They also have Ice bars scattered around the world and these have been visited by AR (and ARA) already.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: maf on July 06, 2010, 12:46:18 PM
To follow up on myself regarding the Ice hotel. The Ice they use make all the sculptures etc in the hotel is actually harvested in the spring and then kept over the summer in their "ice factory". This is open for visitors and you can try to make your own Ice sculpture. This could make a very cool roadblock.

But all of this is of course only speculation.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TexasLady on July 06, 2010, 02:00:01 PM
To follow up on myself regarding the Ice hotel. The Ice they use make all the sculptures etc in the hotel is actually harvested in the spring and then kept over the summer in their "ice factory". This is open for visitors and you can try to make your own Ice sculpture. This could make a very cool roadblock.

But all of this is of course only speculation.

That would be very "cool" at that!  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Hooky on July 08, 2010, 08:27:48 PM
THIS (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18602.msg529851.html#new) is all I have to say about this latest cast release. Posted in a more appropriate place so as not to go off-topic.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: guacamole300 on July 08, 2010, 08:44:59 PM
well to be fair, Brook does look like she  is genuine and has been trying to get into TAR for a while...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on July 08, 2010, 09:08:22 PM
THIS (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18602.msg529851.html#new) is all I have to say about this latest cast release. Posted in a more appropriate place so as not to go off-topic.
Read that.  Did not care for it.

At least she applied rather than be recruited.  That's all that matters to me.  And if Brook could get to the F3 with Claire, she'll obviously show herself to have some game, not be dragged there like the likes of Dandrew (yuck).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on July 09, 2010, 07:41:08 AM
Yeah Macaroons! Our first F3 team identified! The best part I think is that Brook is so focused on being on the first all female team to win and we know she has a one in 3 shot.
From watching the video, I think Brook certainly seems determined to make that happen.  And I hope she and Claire can do that.  If not they, then the Blue Girls taking it would be awesome, as well.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Hooky on July 09, 2010, 07:14:32 PM
Well, it looks like I can't even make a comment in the appropriate place without it being "off-topic." So much for opinions. What is this, a dictatorship? :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on July 09, 2010, 07:47:19 PM
Spoiler threads are for SPOILERS only. Not anyone's personal opinions of the cast. Those can be placed in speculation for now, or in the contestant threads themselves after the CBS cast reveal.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on July 10, 2010, 10:27:28 AM
THIS (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18602.msg529851.html#new) is all I have to say about this latest cast release. Posted in a more appropriate place so as not to go off-topic.

As long as the "mactors" are competent racers with likeable personalities -- and as long as they applied and weren't recruited -- I don't really mind that they're "mactors".  Brook apparently applied and seems to have been trying to get on TAR for some time and her placement indicates that she must have at least some game.  So as long as she has a likeable personality (and so does Claire), I have no problem with her being a former beauty queen at all.  I guess I wouldn't have a major problem if she doesn't have a great personality, but at least she should be competent and she knows what she's getting into.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Dånooky on July 11, 2010, 08:05:39 PM
I just say we wait for the first couple of episodes instead of jumping to conclusions about the teams before they are even officially revealed. If the team wants to be in The Amazing Race and shows it, that's good enough for me. The best teams IMO are the ones that enjoy the experience, for example Margie & Luke and Dan & Jordan. I don't care if they're mactors or recruited as long as they recognize that TAR is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to travel around the world and not just a way to launch or propel a career in Hollywood.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on July 11, 2010, 08:10:38 PM
Amen to THAT!  :ythat:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on July 11, 2010, 11:41:15 PM
I just say we wait for the first couple of episodes instead of jumping to conclusions about the teams before they are even officially revealed. If the team wants to be in The Amazing Race and shows it, that's good enough for me. The best teams IMO are the ones that enjoy the experience, for example Margie & Luke and Dan & Jordan. I don't care if they're mactors or recruited as long as they recognize that TAR is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to travel around the world and not just a way to launch or propel a career in Hollywood.

Word! What happened to "Don't judge a book by its cover"?

I do feel sorry for the people on the show, though...knowing that everything you do can be warped and heavily scrutinized, and inevitably there will always be someone out there hating on you (I'm somewhat guilty of that too).
Like I said, criticize their racing strategy/actions or the producer's antics, but don't jump to conclusions about them in real life.
I'm sure most of these people are fine fellows who are willing to sit down and have a chat with you about their experiences.

Personal Example: TAR 6. Heard bad things about the cast. My conclusion after the race: they're definitely interesting people (your opinion may differ), and they did look like they had a fun time on the race.

OTOH, I will have to disagree on the stuntcasting. I have no logic to support it, but something just rubs me the wrong way knowing that people who want to join will get shunned. Of course, I trust the producers will be able to put on an interesting show. However, I do love the quote in the Mactors thread saying that "All teams are ultimately recruited."
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: tobinator on July 13, 2010, 08:38:00 AM
If the teams arrived in Stockholm on LH 3000 at 9.45am, they should be in absolutely no hurry to get onto the connecting flight to Tallinn (departing at 12.30pm) or Reykjavik (departing at 2.10pm). All other countries in Europe (I checked all 49) are better served from Frankfurt than from Stockholm. These clues strongly suggest that Sweden is the final destination country (even if Stockholm is not the final destination city), at least for Leg 4.

What I hope to see, though, is that teams travel overland (or over-sea) for Leg 5, ending up in Norway, or better yet, Denmark. Getting from these two countries to St Petersburg on 5 Jun does require a connection in Stockholm. (Riga and Helsinki, on the other hand, do not.) The timeline suggests that Legs 4 and 5 might not be too geographically close to one another, if the extra day was not a result of Eyjafjallajokull screwing things up...

The teams have to clear customs in Frankfurt, so I don't know if LH3000 gives them enough time to make the connection. I suspect they might have been on the next flight LH 3002 DEP 9:55am ARR 11:51am

 :winner  Looks good!

Arlanda photo EXIF data:

Thanks to walkingpneumonia!!

photo was taken 2010-06-01 12:02:50-04:00.
The camera was a HTC Eris which is sold by Verison in the US - don't think its available in Europe.


I'm trying to understand how to read the Exif time stamp.  I take 12:02:50-4:00 as being 12:02 EST which would make it 18:02 in Stockholm.  Being a CDMA phone, it makes sense it didn't pick up local time.

Perhaps the teams in the photo didn't make it out on the 31st or the only flight out of Stockholm to their destination city was in the evening.

-Tobinator

PS - Is there a way to get the pages across the top to show all pages rather than just the handful or do I have to submit it to RFF as an enhancement?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on July 13, 2010, 09:20:25 AM

PS - Is there a way to get the pages across the top to show all pages rather than just the handful or do I have to submit it to RFF as an enhancement?

Not sure what you mean? Can you PM me and be more specific please?

And it looks as though we could have the other location in Sweden, in which case flights work...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Chateau d If on July 13, 2010, 09:35:28 AM
On Day one we climbed Bispen (http://www.westcoastpeaks.com/Peaks/kongen.html) in Norway (with a guide of course)

(http://www.westcoastpeaks.com/pics07/breitind_07kongen.jpg)

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc494/AllAboutTAR/index-135.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Aualagi on July 16, 2010, 11:18:27 AM
Hi!

Maybe the Express pass works like this: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18602.msg505674.html#msg505674 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18602.msg505674.html#msg505674)

I wish  ;)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on July 16, 2010, 02:17:12 PM
Sounds like they stole your idea Aualagi!! :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: maf on September 04, 2010, 01:57:53 AM
Looking at the caps from the promo (thanks peach) I doubt the task in the water is at the starting line. The flag or whatever they are doing something with looks like it would fit very the jousting knights (purple with gold details). And they are as far as I know more related to the UK.

This also fits with the chronology of the promo. The first scene is the starting line, then we have the smart cars to the airport, followed by a shot from an airport bus. The next shot is the water task and to fit chronologically it should be after the flight.

To be fair after that comes the text followed by another smart car shot. Could it be that this last and out of order scene is included just because somebody says something fitting?

This is of course all speculation   :duno:

[edited to add] Another indication that the water task comes after the smart cars is that the teams look dry in the cars.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on September 04, 2010, 08:20:06 AM
I seem to recall that some of the teams changed clothes from what they were wearing at the start line to what they were wearing in the airport. Maybe because they got wet on the way to the airport?

From woden's excellent summary:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21999.msg524127.html#msg524127

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Stephanie/Chad Dating (initially wearing blue and black and changed into black at Boston airport)
Andie/Jenna: Dark hair, wearing red/maroon/black (changed into pink and blue at Boston airport)

The flag they are retrieving does look like one of the knight's standards - maybe its find a flag in Mass. then find the corresponding knight in England?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on September 04, 2010, 08:43:50 AM
Lots of the racers wore different clothes in the airport... And by reports they were all hot and sweaty.... but not wet.

The airport pics are all here if anyone want to compare. :tup:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21996.msg525799.html#msg525799
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: apskip on September 04, 2010, 09:55:45 AM
I do not know where speculation about which teams look strong belongs. Since this is clearly speculation, although possibly not of the type the moderators intended for this thread, I am placing it here with the knowledge that it might get moved.

I have some thoughts on which 2 teams look like the ones who on paper and based on their brief videos alone appear to me to be the most likely to win. For the first time ever, it look like these two Female/Female teams:

Nat/Kat - they have it all: beauty, charm, incredible smarts (you trying learning to be an anesthesiologist), obvious physical fitness

Katie/Rachel - these beach volleyball players may not have the smarts of Nat and Kat, but they are professional athletes with a great deal of beauty that will attract all kinds of help throughout the Race

The Male/Male teams do not stand out at all. Ron/Tony have great braggadocio but may not be able to make it happen, Connor/Jonathan are OK but someone named Jonathan puts the hex on their team and Michael/Kevin do not appear to have any particular strengths except their father/son relationship.

The multiple Male/Female teams with hair stylists as the Female appear to me to be at a disadvantage. They talk the talk but can they walk the walk?   

I offer these observations in full knowledge that RFF has already posted summary information which makes it clear who will reach the finale and who won't. My attempt is to just put blinders on and look at it from the perspective of knowing nothing but what is known at the start line about the teams.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on September 04, 2010, 10:26:14 AM
I do not know where speculation about which teams look strong belongs. Since this is clearly speculation, although possibly not of the type the moderators intended for this thread, I am placing it here with the knowledge that it might get moved.

I have some thoughts on which 2 teams look like the ones who on paper and based on their brief videos alone appear to me to be the most likely to win. For the first time ever, it look like these two Female/Female teams:

Nat/Kat - they have it all: beauty, charm, incredible smarts (you trying learning to be an anesthesiologist), obvious physical fitness

Katie/Rachel - these beach volleyball players may not have the smarts of Nat and Kat, but they are professional athletes with a great deal of beauty that will attract all kinds of help throughout the Race

The Male/Male teams do not stand out at all. Ron/Tony have great braggadocio but may not be able to make it happen, Connor/Jonathan are OK but someone named Jonathan puts the hex on their team and Michael/Kevin do not appear to have any particular strengths except their father/son relationship.

The multiple Male/Female teams with hair stylists as the Female appear to me to be at a disadvantage. They talk the talk but can they walk the walk?   

I offer these observations in full knowledge that RFF has already posted summary information which makes it clear who will reach the finale and who won't. My attempt is to just put blinders on and look at it from the perspective of knowing nothing but what is known at the start line about the teams.

I think of the two all-female teams that look to have the best shot on paper and through videos, the one that has the better shot is Nat & Kat.  And I like that!

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Hooky on September 04, 2010, 11:45:20 AM
I do not know where speculation about which teams look strong belongs. Since this is clearly speculation, although possibly not of the type the moderators intended for this thread, I am placing it here with the knowledge that it might get moved.

I have some thoughts on which 2 teams look like the ones who on paper and based on their brief videos alone appear to me to be the most likely to win. For the first time ever, it look like these two Female/Female teams:

Nat/Kat - they have it all: beauty, charm, incredible smarts (you trying learning to be an anesthesiologist), obvious physical fitness

Katie/Rachel - these beach volleyball players may not have the smarts of Nat and Kat, but they are professional athletes with a great deal of beauty that will attract all kinds of help throughout the Race

The Male/Male teams do not stand out at all. Ron/Tony have great braggadocio but may not be able to make it happen, Connor/Jonathan are OK but someone named Jonathan puts the hex on their team and Michael/Kevin do not appear to have any particular strengths except their father/son relationship.

The multiple Male/Female teams with hair stylists as the Female appear to me to be at a disadvantage. They talk the talk but can they walk the walk?   

I offer these observations in full knowledge that RFF has already posted summary information which makes it clear who will reach the finale and who won't. My attempt is to just put blinders on and look at it from the perspective of knowing nothing but what is known at the start line about the teams.

These were exactly my observations as well. Maybe that's why the topics for the female teams are getting so much more attention than those of all the others. It seems as though the producers really do intend for this to be the season where a female team can finally win it all, and considering what the spoilers tell us, it seems like a really strong possibility this time around.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on September 05, 2010, 01:49:41 AM
I do not know where speculation about which teams look strong belongs. Since this is clearly speculation, although possibly not of the type the moderators intended for this thread, I am placing it here with the knowledge that it might get moved.

I have some thoughts on which 2 teams look like the ones who on paper and based on their brief videos alone appear to me to be the most likely to win. For the first time ever, it look like these two Female/Female teams:

Nat/Kat - they have it all: beauty, charm, incredible smarts (you trying learning to be an anesthesiologist), obvious physical fitness

Katie/Rachel - these beach volleyball players may not have the smarts of Nat and Kat, but they are professional athletes with a great deal of beauty that will attract all kinds of help throughout the Race

The Male/Male teams do not stand out at all. Ron/Tony have great braggadocio but may not be able to make it happen, Connor/Jonathan are OK but someone named Jonathan puts the hex on their team and Michael/Kevin do not appear to have any particular strengths except their father/son relationship.

The multiple Male/Female teams with hair stylists as the Female appear to me to be at a disadvantage. They talk the talk but can they walk the walk?   

I offer these observations in full knowledge that RFF has already posted summary information which makes it clear who will reach the finale and who won't. My attempt is to just put blinders on and look at it from the perspective of knowing nothing but what is known at the start line about the teams.

These were exactly my observations as well. Maybe that's why the topics for the female teams are getting so much more attention than those of all the others. It seems as though the producers really do intend for this to be the season where a female team can finally win it all, and considering what the spoilers tell us, it seems like a really strong possibility this time around.
I think Brook & Claire's video should put them in the running for possibly having a shot, too.  Especially since they also talk about being the first team of that type to win.

And yeah, none of the three men's teams look like they have a shot, nor do any of the couples.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: krabbe on September 28, 2010, 03:48:55 PM
So from Phil's interview on how the express pass affected the entire race, does this mean that Jill/Tom won?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on September 28, 2010, 03:51:10 PM
You really think PHIL would give away the outcome?? :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: michael on September 28, 2010, 04:07:51 PM
So from Phil's interview on how the express pass affected the entire race, does this mean that Jill/Tom won?

?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: krabbe on September 28, 2010, 05:25:27 PM
You really think PHIL would give away the outcome?? :lol:

Well he somewhat gave away the outcome last season.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on September 28, 2010, 05:33:33 PM
??? I must have missed that part...link?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: krabbe on September 28, 2010, 06:03:23 PM
I just googled "Phil Interview Season 16 Finale" but nothing came up. Sorry. But I remember he said something to the effect of cowboy fans would be dissapointed by the outcome of the race. This interview was done right before the finale.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Unlaced on September 28, 2010, 06:35:50 PM
I just googled "Phil Interview Season 16 Finale" but nothing came up. Sorry. But I remember he said something to the effect of cowboy fans would be dissapointed by the outcome of the race. This interview was done right before the finale.

I guess this is the interview you meant:
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Entertainment/20100507/amazing-race-finish-100507/

"Keoghan, who was at the finish line when the show was filmed late last year, would not reveal the winner, of course, but he does believe that the show's fans are rooting for the beloved professional bull riders to win and that the ending isn't necessarily happy for everyone. Keoghan foreshadowed that Upton and Horne are confronted by another team at the mat."


Sorry, but I think you misunderstood what the article says. Phil says he thinks the amazing race fans were going to root for the cowboys AND that the end  was not happy for everyone because Brent & Caite were confronted at the mat.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on September 28, 2010, 07:02:25 PM
So from Phil's interview on how the express pass affected the entire race, does this mean that Jill/Tom won?

Not necessarily.  It might just mean that Jill & Thomas made the Final 3 because of the Express Pass!  Perhaps Jill & Thomas wouldn't have done so if they hadn't used it.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: AmazingRace on September 28, 2010, 10:08:19 PM
They had to use the Express Pass by the 8th leg.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on September 29, 2010, 06:39:34 AM
Well, the F3 we know about were in a huge lead for a large part of the race from at least Hong Kong and on (maybe even sooner).  Maybe that helped ensure Jill & Thomas would stay with Nat & Kat and Brook & Claire.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on September 29, 2010, 06:40:57 AM
So from Phil's interview on how the express pass affected the entire race, does this mean that Jill/Tom won?

?
I hope not.  Or if they did, it'd better not MAINLY be due to it.  Two women's teams make the F3 again, and yet another young couples wins from a twist they probably didn't even need?  That'll make this already-good season suck.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Jobby on September 29, 2010, 10:45:47 AM
So from Phil's interview on how the express pass affected the entire race, does this mean that Jill/Tom won?

?
I hope not.  Or if they did, it'd better not MAINLY be due to it.  Two women's teams make the F3 again, and yet another young couples wins from a twist they probably didn't even need?  That'll make this already-good season suck.

Again, you have to use the pass by Leg 8. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Plaidmoon on September 29, 2010, 07:40:28 PM
So from Phil's interview on how the express pass affected the entire race, does this mean that Jill/Tom won?

?
I hope not.  Or if they did, it'd better not MAINLY be due to it.  Two women's teams make the F3 again, and yet another young couples wins from a twist they probably didn't even need?  That'll make this already-good season suck.

Again, you have to use the pass by Leg 8. :tup:

If Jill/Thomas use the Express Pass on leg 7 or 8 and get a big lead, it will surely be temporary. There will certainly be a bunching point shortly thereafter and everyone will be back on equal ground long before we get to the final leg. The Express Pass will not be the deciding factor as to who wins the race. At most, it could keep Jill/Thomas from being eliminated on an early leg, but they will still have to prove themselves worthy over the remaining legs of the race.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: tarobbsessed24 on September 29, 2010, 09:20:31 PM
hi im new but i dont know if this is worth anything but i was looking at kevjumba's  vid on Tar
and i saw a comment that was marked as spam that said

I saw you when you was in Sweden :)


Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: AmazingRace on September 29, 2010, 10:12:40 PM
Welcome tarobbsessed24! :bigwelcome :welcome2:  :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on September 29, 2010, 10:57:26 PM
hi im new but i dont know if this is worth anything but i was looking at kevjumba's  vid on Tar
and i saw a comment that was marked as spam that said

I saw you when you was in Sweden :)




:welcome: to RFF!

I think you may be on to something here...following up!

Thanks!!! :jumpy:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Hooky on September 30, 2010, 01:43:40 PM
Well, the F3 we know about were in a huge lead for a large part of the race from at least Hong Kong and on (maybe even sooner).  Maybe that helped ensure Jill & Thomas would stay with Nat & Kat and Brook & Claire.

I don't think the final 3 will get way far ahead, at least not way early. The producers have largely made such a thing impossible with the way the flights are arranged. I suppose it could happen if the 4th place team decided to quit on the non-elimination leg, but why would you quit if you're in the Final 4?

I think that the fourth place team was with the other three, but somehow we missed a team in our sightings. They wouldn't have to be days behind for such a thing to happen: remember how originally we had no sightings of Kisha & Jen beyond, what was it...Leg 2? But despite the "odds", Kisha & Jen somehow made it to 4th place. We could have another "missed" team scenario here - "last seen" doesn't necessarily mean that was the last time the team was in the race.

EDIT: Turns out it was confirmed that on Leg 11 there was a team hours behind. But we still don't have any real clues to the identity of our 4th place team.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: kadilahopper on October 01, 2010, 04:34:49 PM
If I am not mistaken, and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am, :<), but at  the beginning of the race did not Phil say that the express pass could be used "AT ANY TIME during the race to skip a task"?  Ok snooper scoopers, scoop this one out for me. I would love to know. 
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Competitor on October 01, 2010, 05:03:03 PM
If I am not mistaken, and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am, :<), but at  the beginning of the race did not Phil say that the express pass could be used "AT ANY TIME during the race to skip a task"?  Ok snooper scoopers, scoop this one out for me. I would love to know. 

I'm pretty sure that he later said that it could be used anytime on the first 8 legs of the race or something like that.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on October 01, 2010, 11:03:28 PM
First 8 legs only.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on October 02, 2010, 06:42:38 AM
First Phill said this just before the start of the race in general terms about the new twist.

If I am not mistaken, and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am, :<), but at  the beginning of the race did not Phil say that the express pass could be used "AT ANY TIME during the race to skip a task"?  Ok snooper scoopers, scoop this one out for me. I would love to know. 

Then at the mat, when he gave the pass to Jill/Thomas, Phill said this.

First 8 legs only.

Phil was much more specific at the mat.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: maf on October 02, 2010, 08:27:01 AM
My memory of the first leg matches what DrRox stated above.

My take is that they can use it any time during the first 8 legs. That is they can use it just before starting a task or during the task. Where the latter part makes it much more useful. The fact that you can start a task and when you realize how time-consuming or hard it is you can decide to skip this one.

The game-changing aspect is that it is a way to get people to really try to win the first leg. Previously most teams seem to focus on just surviving the first leg. This is a way to get a bit more edge into the start of the race.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: 2old4tech on October 03, 2010, 12:21:19 PM
Just speculating.  If Stonehenge is part of Bert's TAR 17 theme,  look for this either tonight or next week.

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc494/AllAboutTAR/index-136.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on October 03, 2010, 02:20:38 PM
Larabanga is 8 hours from Accra, though.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on October 05, 2010, 01:26:57 AM
hi im new but i dont know if this is worth anything but i was looking at kevjumba's  vid on Tar
and i saw a comment that was marked as spam that said

I saw you when you was in Sweden :)




:welcome: to RFF!

I think you may be on to something here...following up!

Thanks!!! :jumpy:
I thought we already knew the race was going to Sweden.

. . . Oh!  Wait!  This means they at least survive to that!  Man, I was slow on the uptake there.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kaylynn on October 07, 2010, 08:20:12 AM
I read online that has speculation for the Final 3.
The blog's speculation has it like this
*************Possible Spoilers**************
Bottom 4
11th-Ron/Tony
10th-Andie/Jenna
????-Chad/Stephanie
????- Nick/Vicky

7th Place to 4th Place
???? Gary/Mallory
???? Kevin/Michael
???? Katie/Rachel
???? Connor/Jonathan

And Possible F3
Nat/Kat
Clare/Brook
Jill/Thomas

************************ended***************

is it me or do Nick and Vicky feel like Kami/Karli slipping in 2nd to last every round?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kaylynn on October 07, 2010, 09:51:07 AM
Well, the F3 we know about were in a huge lead for a large part of the race from at least Hong Kong and on (maybe even sooner).  Maybe that helped ensure Jill & Thomas would stay with Nat & Kat and Brook & Claire.

I don't think the final 3 will get way far ahead, at least not way early. The producers have largely made such a thing impossible with the way the flights are arranged. I suppose it could happen if the 4th place team decided to quit on the non-elimination leg, but why would you quit if you're in the Final 4?

I think that the fourth place team was with the other three, but somehow we missed a team in our sightings. They wouldn't have to be days behind for such a thing to happen: remember how originally we had no sightings of Kisha & Jen beyond, what was it...Leg 2? But despite the "odds", Kisha & Jen somehow made it to 4th place. We could have another "missed" team scenario here - "last seen" doesn't necessarily mean that was the last time the team was in the race.

EDIT: Turns out it was confirmed that on Leg 11 there was a team hours behind. But we still don't have any real clues to the identity of our 4th place team.


do you have a confirmation link or something?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redskevin88 on October 08, 2010, 01:54:10 AM
I read online that has speculation for the Final 3.
The blog's speculation has it like this
*************Possible Spoilers**************
Bottom 4
11th-Ron/Tony
10th-Andie/Jenna
????-Chad/Stephanie
????- Nick/Vicky

7th Place to 4th Place
???? Gary/Mallory
???? Kevin/Michael
???? Katie/Rachel
???? Connor/Jonathan

And Possible F3
Nat/Kat
Clare/Brook
Jill/Thomas

************************ended***************

is it me or do Nick and Vicky feel like Kami/Karli slipping in 2nd to last every round?

You can keep up to dateon what we believe here:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21999.0.html

I thought it was likely this???

11th: Ron & Tony
10th: Andie & Jenna
9th: Chad & Stephanie
8th: Gary & Mallory
7th: Katie & Rachel or Michael & Kevin
6th: Michael & Kevin or Katie & Rachel
5th: Nick & Vicki (decoy in Korea, they are hours behind, so must be decoy)
4th: Connor & Jonathan
Final three: Nat/Kat, Brook & Claire/Jill & Thomas

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Plaidmoon on October 08, 2010, 02:29:48 PM
I read online that has speculation for the Final 3.
The blog's speculation has it like this
*************Possible Spoilers**************
Bottom 4
11th-Ron/Tony
10th-Andie/Jenna
????-Chad/Stephanie
????- Nick/Vicky

7th Place to 4th Place
???? Gary/Mallory
???? Kevin/Michael
???? Katie/Rachel
???? Connor/Jonathan

And Possible F3
Nat/Kat
Clare/Brook
Jill/Thomas

************************ended***************

is it me or do Nick and Vicky feel like Kami/Karli slipping in 2nd to last every round?

You can keep up to dateon what we believe here:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21999.0.html

I thought it was likely this???

11th: Ron & Tony
10th: Andie & Jenna
9th: Chad & Stephanie
8th: Gary & Mallory
7th: Katie & Rachel or Katie & Rachel
6th: Michael & Kevin or Katie & Rachel
5th: Nick & Vicki (decoy in Korea, they are hours behind, so must be decoy)
4th: Connor & Jonathan
Final three: Nat/Kat, Brook & Claire/Jill & Thomas



7th: Katie & Rachel or Katie & Rachel

Maybe it'll be Rachel & Katie?    :lol:

I assume you meant:

7th: Michael & Kevin or Katie & Rachel

It mildly astounds me that Nick & Vicky make it all the way to 5th. Shades of Dan and Andrew! I've looked but can't find the details about the Nick & Vicky sighting in South Korea. How solid is that information?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: north09 on October 08, 2010, 05:09:23 PM
I read online that has speculation for the Final 3.
The blog's speculation has it like this
*************Possible Spoilers**************
Bottom 4
11th-Ron/Tony
10th-Andie/Jenna
????-Chad/Stephanie
????- Nick/Vicky

7th Place to 4th Place
???? Gary/Mallory
???? Kevin/Michael
???? Katie/Rachel
???? Connor/Jonathan

And Possible F3
Nat/Kat
Clare/Brook
Jill/Thomas

************************ended***************

is it me or do Nick and Vicky feel like Kami/Karli slipping in 2nd to last every round?

You can keep up to dateon what we believe here:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21999.0.html

I thought it was likely this???

11th: Ron & Tony
10th: Andie & Jenna
9th: Chad & Stephanie
8th: Gary & Mallory
7th: Katie & Rachel or Katie & Rachel
6th: Michael & Kevin or Katie & Rachel
5th: Nick & Vicki (decoy in Korea, they are hours behind, so must be decoy)
4th: Connor & Jonathan
Final three: Nat/Kat, Brook & Claire/Jill & Thomas



7th: Katie & Rachel or Katie & Rachel

Maybe it'll be Rachel & Katie?    :lol:

I assume you meant:

7th: Michael & Kevin or Katie & Rachel

It mildly astounds me that Nick & Vicky make it all the way to 5th. Shades of Dan and Andrew! I've looked but can't find the details about the Nick & Vicky sighting in South Korea. How solid is that information?

Not very solid, as far as I know. What shocks me is that before the race, no one really put that much faith into the sighting, and now we have a lot of people believing they make it far. I still believe they are the next to go. Since this episode is now over, it doesn't do any harm to point out that as of now, the projected results look like this:

11. Ron & Tony
10. Andrea & Jenna
9. Nick & Vicki
8. Connor & Jonathan or Katie & Rachel
7. Katie & Rachel or Connor & Jonathan
6. Gary & Mallory
5. Michael & Kevin
4. Chad & Stephanie

Final 3 (In No Order)
Brook & Claire, Jill & Thomas, Nat & Kat
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Neobie on October 09, 2010, 11:49:49 PM
These clues strongly suggest that Sweden is the final destination country (even if Stockholm is not the final destination city), at least for Leg 4. What I hope to see, though, is that teams travel overland (or over-sea) for Leg 5, ending up in Norway, or better yet, Denmark. Getting from these two countries to St Petersburg on 5 Jun does require a connection in Stockholm. (Riga and Helsinki, on the other hand, do not.) The timeline suggests that Legs 4 and 5 might not be too geographically close to one another...

If eight countries hasn't been confirmed yet, I'll just leave open the possibility for Sweden II to be Norway or something...

From way back in June, with no sighting spoilers! *takes a little bow* :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on October 10, 2010, 12:18:12 AM
:bow: to the master!!!

 :<3


 :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: apskip on October 10, 2010, 12:55:36 AM
I am speculating about leg 5 from Kiruna to St. Petersburg. There was an unusual amount of time to do this.

Holiday excursion trains run from St. Petersburg, the capital of Russia’s north, through picturesque Karelia, and on to the Kola Peninsula, lapped by the waters of the Barents Sea, so clearly the reverse is possible. Of course teams could fly directly from Murmansk to St. Petersburg ( 2 hour flights at 515am and 9am), but that would not be the romantic way to do it.

Is there a way to bridge the 554km from Kiruna to Murmansk to allow a unique travel experience in Lapland? Unfortunately, I haven't found one. There are no direct fights, although a charter flight could easily do it since both places have major airports.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on October 10, 2010, 01:00:57 AM
That would be great to see! Unfortunately, we already know they fly via Stockholm:

EVIDENCE: Teams spotted at ARN (Stockholm) flying to St. Petersburg 6/5 (SK 732 DEP 10:14am, ARR 1:33pm)

We also have a source who was on the plane with several of the teams....
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on October 10, 2010, 02:04:17 AM
Not very solid, as far as I know. What shocks me is that before the race, no one really put that much faith into the sighting, and now we have a lot of people believing [Nick & Vicki] make it far. I still believe they are the next to go. Since this episode is now over, it doesn't do any harm to point out that as of now, the projected results look like this:

11. Ron & Tony
10. Andie & Jenna
9. Nick & Vicki
8. Connor & Jonathan or Katie & Rachel
7. Katie & Rachel or Connor & Jonathan
6. Gary & Mallory
5. Michael & Kevin
4. Chad & Stephanie

Final 3 (In No Order)
Brook & Claire, Jill & Thomas, Nat & Kat
Really?  I thought the men's teams all flame out before F6.  And I think Connor & Jonathan might be the team that leaves in eighth place.  The F7 (I think) were seen going to St. Petersburg.  Michael & Kevin were the only men's team with the other teams at the time.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on October 10, 2010, 02:20:20 AM
I do not believe that list to be correct.

Maybe go recheck our sightings?  :tup:

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Kaylynn on October 10, 2010, 02:51:32 AM
I do not believe that list to be correct.

Maybe go recheck our sightings?  :tup:


well what is your list boss?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on October 10, 2010, 03:38:57 AM
Congradulations Neobie.......I did get a tiny smirking smile today when I read the TVGuide listing for Norway. I remembered your "lone wolf" speculation from June about Norway.....hip hip hooray!!!

I, for one, will really miss your talent around here after CBS hires you to make their maps......lol
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on October 10, 2010, 09:33:25 AM
I do not believe that list to be correct.

Maybe go recheck our sightings?  :tup:


well what is your list boss?

I don't do lists. :neener:

But the TIMELINE thread has all the info/sightings we have so far, and is a result of extensive research, analysis, and source info, it should be everyone's first stop. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on October 10, 2010, 09:25:51 PM
Well, this episode throws a lot of theories out the window since the second Ghana leg didn't toss anyone.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on October 10, 2010, 09:36:27 PM
Not really. :lol:

If you read the Timeline closely, you would have known that ALL teams were reported seen AFTER this leg.

While some sightings were better documented and stronger than others, if you believe the spoilers, then this leg could only be a NEL or TBC.



Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: milanissimo on October 11, 2010, 07:27:14 AM
This is just a  speculation
Leg 4:Kiruna Sweden
Leg 5:Narvik  Norway
Leg 6:St. Peterburg Russia
Leg 7:Sur  Oman
Leg 8:Dhaka Bangladesh
Leg 9:Dhaka Bangladesh
Leg 10:Hong Kong China
Leg 11:Dongducheon South Korea



Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redskevin88 on October 11, 2010, 08:01:50 AM
This is just a  speculation
Leg 4:Kiruna Sweden
Leg 5:Narvik  Norway
Leg 6:St. Peterburg Russia
Leg 7:Sur  Oman
Leg 8:Dhaka Bangladesh
Leg 9:Dhaka Bangladesh
Leg 10:Hong Kong China
Leg 11:Dongducheon South Korea


Not so sure about Narvik... I could be wrong...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: milanissimo on October 11, 2010, 08:07:44 AM
I think it's right ;)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: apskip on October 11, 2010, 10:37:00 AM
After examining the possiblities through Murmansk and having them invalidated by plane sightings, I now think that Narvik Norway is a high probability of being leg 5 pit stop. There is a direct 168km train between Kiruna and Narvik:

Ofotbanen, called Malmbanan in Sweden, is the single-track railway line that connects Kiruna (in Sweden) to Narvik. The route of 168 Km, entirely north of the Polar Circle, goes along a fantastic landscape of mountains and finally along the Ofotfjord. The first part of the journey after leaving Kiruna is in a typical Nordic tundra landscape, then, after Gallivare station, the train starts to go uphill into a mountainous region. The line crosses the Abisko National Park and there is a stop at the very small station of Abisko that serves the tourist centre. When he train reaches Vassijaure you are at the most northern station of Sweden. The train crosses the border between Sweden and Norway at Riksagransen, which is also the point where the railway reaches its highest altitude. There is no customs to mark the border and the only thing that marks the change is the fact that the train now goes downhill.
I have described here just the trip from Kiruna to Narvik, but the train journey I made was actually all the way from Stockholm, on a train that has of course sleeping cars and restaurant. It departs from Stockholm in the afternoon, to arrive in Narvik in the afternoon of the next day.

See Lapland map below for why this makes sense geographically. Narvik is NNW of KIruna.

Here are the weekday schedule from Harstad/Narvik Airport (EVE) to Oslo:

Dep.     To     Flight     Airline   

06:45  08:30  Oslo SK4079      SAS   
06:50  08:30  Oslo DY233         Norwegian Air Shuttle
11:05  12:45  Oslo SK4083/DY2 SAS/Norwegian Air Shuttle   
17:15   18:55 Oslo  DY229       Norwegian Air shuttle
17:55   19:40 Oslo  SK4095     SAS   
19:35   21:15 Oslo  DY237       Norwegian Air Shuttle


Only the ones to Oslo matter, as they can easily connect to Stockholm and from there to St. Petersburg. Flights from Oslo to St. Petersburg connect through Helsinki, Stockholm, Hamburg or Copenhagen. We are looking for a flight through Stockholm having the right time parameters.
The possibilities are:

 OSL  ARN SK864   1100 1200
 ARN  LED SK732   1310 1635

Either SK4079 or DY233 get teams to Oslo in time for the connection on to Stockholm and then St. Petersburg.

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc494/AllAboutTAR/index-137.jpg)



 
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on October 11, 2010, 02:40:29 PM
Here are the weekday schedule from Harstad/Narvik Airport (EVE) to Oslo:

Dep.     To     Flight     Airline   

06:45  08:30  Oslo SK4079      SAS   
06:50  08:30  Oslo DY233         Norwegian Air Shuttle
11:05  12:45  Oslo SK4083/DY2 SAS/Norwegian Air Shuttle   
17:15   18:55 Oslo  DY229       Norwegian Air shuttle
17:55   19:40 Oslo  SK4095     SAS   
19:35   21:15 Oslo  DY237       Norwegian Air Shuttle

Only the ones to Oslo matter, as they can easily connect to Stockholm and from there to St. Petersburg. Flights from Oslo to St. Petersburg connect through Helsinki, Stockholm, Hamburg or Copenhagen. We are looking for a flight through Stockholm having the right time parameters.
The possibilities are:

 OSL  ARN SK864   1100 1200
 ARN  LED SK732   1310 1635

Either SK4079 or DY233 get teams to Oslo in time for the connection on to Stockholm and then St. Petersburg.


Great research, apskip, but there is a fly in the ointment. The confirmed flight for ARN to LED is SK 732  1000 to 1330. The witness confirmed all the teams on that flight in this communication with Peach.

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21997.msg526813.html#msg526813   Post #418

So if we work backwards from ARN to Oslo, for connecting flights, we get two possible flights. If we give 1 hour  of connection time, then they must arrive in Oslo by 0900 on June 5, 2110, a Saturday. These are the two posibilities…

SK 848   0742 to 0833  or
DY 810   0756 to 0845

So looking for flights from EVE to OSL on Sat June 5,2110, there are only 3 flights on a reduced service Saturday. One each in the morning, afternoon and evening. The morning flight is

DY 233  0648 to 0817

As you can see, it does not arrive in Oslo (OSL) in time to make the connection to Stockholm (ARN). They could have left on the evening of June 4, 2110 and slept in the Oslo airport, but I think that is unlikely.

At this time, I think that the teams drove the cars they picked up at Kiruna Airport (KRN) to the Narvik area. That is my assumption for this speculation. If they did drive, then they could be released in time to drive back to Kiruna Airport to make the following flights to St Petersburg.

KRN ARN    DY 3766   0730 to 0855
ARN LED     SK 732     1000 to 1330

One other small matter. The airport at Narvik, Harstad-Narvik (EVE) is 80 km from Narvik. It is on the opposite side of the fjord and west of Narvik. It is a very convoluted drive. I think they could have had the mat and pit stop out there close to the airport, and made them drive out there to check in for Leg 5. But the fact that you can't make the ARN/LED flight by flying out of EVE doesn’t make much sense. I tried to check the railroad timetables to see if traveling between Kiruna and Narvik was viable, but I have been unable to find June timetables.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: apskip on October 11, 2010, 04:14:48 PM
Here are timetables in effect August 22 to December 11 for trains from Kiruna to Narvik:

304 km Kiruna C  7.09    9.31 10.31 14.04(bus)

473 km Narvik      10.01 12.40 13.25 16.51(bus)

I could find nothing for earlier than August, but it is reasonable to assume schedules would be comparable or more frequent.

The reverse direction train schedules  for the same date range from Narvik to KIruna are:

                              
0 km          Narvik          10.26 14.50

169 km Kiruna C          13.27 17.26
                                
473 km Lulea in            17.24 21.04
  
      
473 km Lulea  out         19.57

Uppsala in         8.31
Uppsala  out      8.53

 Arlanda Airport   9.01  

This indicates it takes 22.5 hours to do this route by train.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on October 12, 2010, 05:08:35 AM
That long train ride from Narvik to Stockholm, from apskip, sure leads to some interesting spec about the timeline above the arctic circle. If Leg 6 really starts on June 4 with that 22 hour train ride from Narvik to Stockholm, then it would really give Phil almost 2 days before meeting the teams at the mat in St Petersburg on the evening of June 5th. One to do his standups and the other to catch up on the internet and other things that he has mentioned in tweets and facebook posts.

If teams finish Leg 4 before midnight on June 1 near the Norwegian border, from the ski resort identification. Leg 5 could be finished by midnight June 2 or early morning June 3 and Phil could fly out. Teams could have some sort of an extended pit stop in the Narvik area. Then teams could be released to take the train on June 4 to start leg 6, arriving in Arlanda Airport the morning of June 5 when they were spotted.

As Neobie has mentioned, there is no nighttime up there at that time of year. The Land of the Midnight Sun. Its possible they could have some planned HoO tasks to stretch out the legs also to fit into my timeline, with thanks to apskip for the train schedules.

It also provides a good escape route for the 3rd and 4th teams going to the ES. They could fly from Narvik to Oslo to Cancun and not have to reverse course.

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: furybaby on October 12, 2010, 04:32:12 PM
I really hope Team Jumba doesn't get eliminated tht soon :'(
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: furybaby on October 12, 2010, 04:35:18 PM
Lists are so much more simple than a timeline though  :hearts:
you can actually guess/piece the infos and make a list  :jam:
that way it give me more faith bout other teams heh   :-[
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on October 12, 2010, 05:37:21 PM
Lists are so much more simple than a timeline though  :hearts:
you can actually guess/piece the infos and make a list  :jam:
that way it give me more faith bout other teams heh   :-[

Lists are for lazy people. If you want lists, then go to Sucks. They are all about lists and lists and lists. They change their lists everyday. RFF is about facts. Those facts are posted. Feel free to make your own list anytime you wish.

RFF likes to explore all the interrogatives. ie the Who,What, Where, When, How and Why. If you are only interested in the Who.....well there are other places that highlight that aspect only.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: furybaby on October 12, 2010, 06:46:01 PM
Lists are so much more simple than a timeline though  :hearts:
you can actually guess/piece the infos and make a list  :jam:
that way it give me more faith bout other teams heh   :-[

Lists are for lazy people. If you want lists, then go to Sucks. They are all about lists and lists and lists. They change their lists everyday. RFF is about facts. Those facts are posted. Feel free to make your own list anytime you wish.

RFF likes to explore all the interrogatives. ie the Who,What, Where, When, How and Why. If you are only interested in the Who.....well there are other places that highlight that aspect only.

lol im just saying  :'(
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: slayton on October 13, 2010, 08:59:38 PM
From the spoilers and watching the first three episodes, I would expect Nat & Kat to win the race.

Nat & Kat have gotten a lot of camera time, and they've been persistently portrayed for the past 2 episodes as a team that's in jeopardy of being eliminated, despite not doing anything particularly notable in either episode to warrant camera time.  The editors had a similar edit in TAR16.

I definitely take notice when a team gets a lot of camera time despite not doing anything distinctive.

In TAR14, the editors gave Tammy & Victor a lot of camera time and portrayed them as being in jeopardy of being eliminated, and played up their sibling squabbling, whenever possible.  The only difference between Tammy & Victor and TAR16 and TAR17, is that Tammy & Victor did actually do stuff to warrant camera time, whether it was something like getting lost in Romania or ditching Margie & Luke and Jaime & Cara in Russia.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on October 14, 2010, 03:36:00 PM
From the spoilers and watching the first three episodes, I would expect Nat & Kat to win the race.

Nat & Kat have gotten a lot of camera time, and they've been persistently portrayed for the past 2 episodes as a team that's in jeopardy of being eliminated, despite not doing anything particularly notable in either episode to warrant camera time.  The editors had a similar edit in TAR16.

I definitely take notice when a team gets a lot of camera time despite not doing anything distinctive.

In TAR14, the editors gave Tammy & Victor a lot of camera time and portrayed them as being in jeopardy of being eliminated, and played up their sibling squabbling, whenever possible.  The only difference between Tammy & Victor and TAR16 and TAR17, is that Tammy & Victor did actually do stuff to warrant camera time, whether it was something like getting lost in Romania or ditching Margie & Luke and Jaime & Cara in Russia.

As Nat & Kat are my favorite team, I hope you're right!

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on October 16, 2010, 12:00:46 AM
The location of Leg 4's detour is awfully close to the Norwegian border. It's possible that the pitstop may actually be in Norway.

Further spec suggests that during Leg 5, teams gradually head south towards Bodo/Fauske. Then they would probably take an overnight train to Oslo Gardermoen arriving 06:06, which allows them to take SK848 to ARN (07:45-08:45) and onwards to LED.

Of course, this gets completely thrown out if the race actually swings north to Tromso.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Cocoa on October 18, 2010, 08:57:34 PM
Random-and-Idiotic-but-kinda-wishful Question:

Will the Express pass be back to play? I mean, will the first place team next week win it since Jill and Thomas used it? And will the cycle continue until, of course, Leg 8?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on October 28, 2010, 01:48:50 PM
Re the TAR 17 Finale location.

Some info has come to light:

In Seoul, a production person was overheard on the phone discussing the countdown, and the finale, and the use of THREE helicopters.

While I am very aware that helicopters are used every day for overhead shots, the specification of THREE leads me to wonder if our last three teams were possibly transported by helicopter from LAX to our Finale location? If so, they have a much wider range and could have been outside of LA for the actual finale tasks....

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TexasLady on October 28, 2010, 02:07:31 PM
Re the TAR 17 Finale location.

Some info has come to light:

In Seoul, a production person was overheard on the phone discussing the countdown, and the finale, and the use of THREE helicopters.

While I am very aware that helicopters are used every day for overhead shots, the specification of THREE leads me to wonder if our last three teams were possibly transported by helicopter from LAX to our Finale location? If so, they have a much wider range and could have been outside of LA for the actual finale tasks....

This would make perfect sense, helicopters are an everyday occurrence around LA and wouldn't even be noticed. Thanks Peach!  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: MamaT on October 28, 2010, 02:10:13 PM
If that info is accurate, peach, that just means that WRP is working really hard at avoiding your army of spies!  They're scared of you!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TexasLady on October 28, 2010, 02:22:14 PM
If that info is accurate, peach, that just means that WRP is working really hard at avoiding your army of spies!  They're scared of you!

So true!  :snicker:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on October 28, 2010, 06:16:36 PM
Re the TAR 17 Finale location.

Some info has come to light:

In Seoul, a production person was overheard on the phone discussing the countdown, and the finale, and the use of THREE helicopters.

While I am very aware that helicopters are used every day for overhead shots, the specification of THREE leads me to wonder if our last three teams were possibly transported by helicopter from LAX to our Finale location? If so, they have a much wider range and could have been outside of LA for the actual finale tasks....



You know, you may be onto something there!  That may be why the teams weren't spotted after Seoul or LAX -- they left LA and went somewhere else, where people wouldn't be likely to see them!

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on October 28, 2010, 06:32:50 PM
Re the TAR 17 Finale location.

Some info has come to light:

In Seoul, a production person was overheard on the phone discussing the countdown, and the finale, and the use of THREE helicopters.

While I am very aware that helicopters are used every day for overhead shots, the specification of THREE leads me to wonder if our last three teams were possibly transported by helicopter from LAX to our Finale location? If so, they have a much wider range and could have been outside of LA for the actual finale tasks....



You know, you may be onto something there!  That may be why the teams weren't spotted after Seoul or LAX -- they left LA and went somewhere else, where people wouldn't be likely to see them!

Belle Book

Remember - teams were never actually spotted in LAX - only production crew.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on October 28, 2010, 06:55:31 PM
Well they would have had to clear Immigration and Customs first. I dont know the layout of the area at LAX...but I am sure that they could have been spirited out a side door into vans to take a ride to another part of airport to catch helicopters.......I know that would be possible at DFW.....with the pre-planned help of the airline and TSA....
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on October 28, 2010, 08:02:55 PM
If not LA, then the next destination to look at would be San Diego.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on October 29, 2010, 01:02:54 AM



Remember - teams were never actually spotted in LAX - only production crew.

 Until now.  (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21997.msg569919.html#msg569919)  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redskevin88 on October 29, 2010, 01:16:40 AM



Remember - teams were never actually spotted in LAX - only production crew.

 Until now.  (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21997.msg569919.html#msg569919)  :tup:

looks like Nick & Vicki are final 3 then??
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on October 29, 2010, 01:22:56 AM
Read the spoiler redshooky. That is NOT what it says. :groan:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Plaidmoon on October 29, 2010, 03:10:46 AM
If not LA, then the next destination to look at would be San Diego.

Since we haven't had any sightings aside from the ones at LAX for the final leg, I have to assume they held the detours and roadblocks for the final leg away from the eyes of the public. This suggests to me that it didn't happen in a large city or if it did, all tasks were done indoors where there would be little visual evidence to the public. The trend has been this way the last couple of seasons.

Last season in the final leg in San Francisco, we knew about the Letterman Digital Arts Center and Coit Tower. Those were reasonably public and word got out. We also heard about The Great American Music Hall, which I think was lucky on our part because there was little to see on the outside of the building to suggest anything was happening there. I assume we heard about that because some team must have been asking people for directions to it. We heard nothing about Candlestick Park aside from a rumor about Hunter's Point, which is not surprising because Candlestick Park is a very isolated location with no one around unless an event is happening there.  

This season, they started in an unlikely location at Gloucester, MA and we could easily have missed it if the guy working at the marina hadn't had a camera. I'm guessing that the final leg will be at an equally unlikely location. I'll do some real speculating here. I lean towards a remote isolated location, possibly in the desert, perhaps one of the Channel Islands off the coast from Los Angeles (not Catalina - too many people around). Camp Pendleton or one of the military bases in the desert is possible, but I think too many soldiers would know and word would get out. Also, since they had soldiers on the previous leg in South Korea, I doubt they would do it again on the next leg. There are also places in the mountains around Los Angeles or in the Southern Sierras that might work as well, but I don't know them well enough to suggest any good locations. I'll throw my vote to some cool location like the ghost town at Bodie or Mono Lake or even Death Valley.  Scratch Death Valley. It was probably over 115 F (46 C) that time of year.

Actually, I'd really like to see Area 51 in Nevada. They could have Phil and a Grey Alien at the finish line.   :wtf: :eye:      :hides :hides :hides :noway: :holysheep :escape
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Paron on November 02, 2010, 05:56:13 PM
The lack of information for Legs 8 and 9 poses a huge problem.

In what way? ???

Welcome to RFF pr0phet!

Everybody here sure is friendly.
We need to know who exists in the Oman and Bangledesh legs in order to understand who the assumed final five teams are in Hong Kong, assuming that the Hong Kong photo of N\K, B\C, and J/T is accurate
Nick & Vicki are the F4 exit.  It's a good chance it's Chad & Stephanie who are also in the F5, the Bangladesh leg.  Oman is (or might be) the F6 elimination leg, though, so there'll be another team there, too -- at least one of the remaining two parent/child teams.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TexasLady on November 02, 2010, 06:02:59 PM
Thanks Paron...  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on November 02, 2010, 07:23:57 PM
Why do you think that the couple the Oman man talked to was Chad and Stephanie rather than Jill and Thomas? Chad and Stephanie have never worn turqoise. They're Gators fans, people; they only wear blue or orange.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 02, 2010, 09:12:41 PM
Why do you think that the couple the Oman man talked to was Chad and Stephanie rather than Jill and Thomas? Chad and Stephanie have never worn turqoise. They're Gators fans, people; they only wear blue or orange.


Perhaps you may want to rephrase that?  :groan:

Chad and Stephanie were referred to as Team Turquoise because they are. They wore Turquoise bandanas  on the first leg and were referred to as Team Turquoise by several of the other teams.

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on November 02, 2010, 09:41:27 PM
Chad and Steph wore their turquoise bandanas on their wrists this last episode. the-prophet, Production gives every team a pair of different colored bandanas at the start of the race. They may or may not match the color scheme that a team choses. The camaraman and soundman use the bandanas to know who to follow.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on November 03, 2010, 08:19:59 AM
Since Gary and Mallory have not been spotted anywhere and are not on the promos for "Circus", they must be U-Turned by Brooke and Claire.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Chateau d If on November 03, 2010, 09:06:56 AM
 :CnJ:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on November 03, 2010, 09:18:23 AM
x
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Benedicto on November 03, 2010, 10:45:05 AM
What?
If there is a U-turn, they would totally hype it up =/. Blind or Not. It would hype up the ratings and that's what TAR Wants but if there is, I'd be freakin' surprised.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Caelestor on November 03, 2010, 11:43:07 AM
The U-turns have been used in the even seasons and unused in the odd seasons so far.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Dånooky on November 04, 2010, 12:52:01 AM
:CnJ:
*like*
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: weihen on November 06, 2010, 10:09:33 PM
I think there will be a leg raced at night,so is it HongKong?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: natalie on November 12, 2010, 09:06:42 PM
I am wondering where these u turns are,

unless they realized that whenever its used the team is a goner and dropped it to 1.


I wish it was 4 u turns  :snicker:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on November 13, 2010, 04:57:46 PM
I was wondering how many legs will happen on this race, because usually each race stays in a country teice three times, if 12 legs happen this time that will not happen, so maybe 13?

I don't think so because if you look at the timeline you will see an accurate picture of this season. We know the timeline is accurate because CBS confirmed that the final airs on the 12th of Dec.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Teerin on November 16, 2010, 09:32:40 PM
Hello guys.  :waves:

I've been watching TAR since season 5 and been reading RFF for a long time and decided to join. Too bad my favorite team this season (Michael/Kevin) was already eliminated.

Anyway, I was wondering why M/K wasn't at this episode's Elimination Station where G/M was eliminated and called in. They were sent to Elimination Station last episode, but weren't shown nor mentioned at all in this episode. Could it be possible that they are decoys? I know they usually don't get the Elimination Station or first 5 eliminated teams to do it but who knows? If I'm not mistaken someone had a "source" that had a possibly sighting of M/K as decoys in South Korea(?). Just a speculation.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Teerin on November 16, 2010, 09:42:03 PM
Hello guys.  :waves:

I've been watching TAR since season 5 and been reading RFF for a long time and decided to join. Too bad my favorite team this season (Michael/Kevin) was already eliminated.

Anyway, I was wondering why M/K wasn't at this episode's Elimination Station where G/M was eliminated and called in. They were sent to Elimination Station last episode, but weren't shown nor mentioned at all in this episode. Could it be possible that they are decoys? I know they usually don't get the Elimination Station or first 5 eliminated teams to do it but who knows? If I'm not mistaken someone had a "source" that had a possibly sighting of M/K as decoys in South Korea(?). Just a speculation.

Or maybe I'm overthinking here. Perhaps it could mean M/K arrive at Elimination Station after G/M called in?  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 16, 2010, 09:44:42 PM
Hello guys.  :waves:

I've been watching TAR since season 5 and been reading RFF for a long time and decided to join. Too bad my favorite team this season (Michael/Kevin) was already eliminated.

Anyway, I was wondering why M/K wasn't at this episode's Elimination Station where G/M was eliminated and called in. They were sent to Elimination Station last episode, but weren't shown nor mentioned at all in this episode. Could it be possible that they are decoys? I know they usually don't get the Elimination Station or first 5 eliminated teams to do it but who knows? If I'm not mistaken someone had a "source" that had a possibly sighting of M/K as decoys in South Korea(?). Just a speculation.

Or maybe I'm overthinking here. Perhaps it could mean M/K arrive at Elimination Station after G/M called in?  :lol:

Bingo!! They are not decoys,...and that "sighting" was unfortunately never confirmed in any way.

But :bigwelcome to RFF! Glad you de-lurked!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on November 16, 2010, 09:46:53 PM
It is "almost" physically impossible for Michael and Kevin to get to the villa in Isla Mujeres BEFORE that call from Gary and Mallory.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on November 16, 2010, 10:32:31 PM
Why do you think that the couple the Oman man talked to was Chad and Stephanie rather than Jill and Thomas? Chad and Stephanie have never worn turqoise. They're Gators fans, people; they only wear blue or orange.

Chad and Stephanie in Dhaka
(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/drrox1/TAR/TAR17ep9promocaps0738.jpg)

Jill and Thomas in Dhaka
(http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l573/drrox1/TAR/TAR17ep9promocaps0061.jpg)

I would say that the orginal identification was correct after all. Especially that we know now that they one the leg in Oman and were probably first to the airport to book flights. Chad's shirt is not tourquoise, but close enough to it for me. Certainly closer than Thomas's shirt that day.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 16, 2010, 10:56:59 PM
The team turquoise was an RFF ID I believe, not the source's own terminology for the ID.

At the time he was first contacted, the only pics we had were our Logan ones, which were less than ideal of Jill and Thomas.

Once the better pics were sent to him, he quickly said J/T.

I think it was J/T...but hope to find out one day!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on November 16, 2010, 11:22:57 PM
The team turquoise was an RFF ID I believe, not the source's own terminology for the ID.

At the time he was first contacted, the only pics we had were our Logan ones, which were less than ideal of Jill and Thomas.

Once the better pics were sent to him, he quickly said J/T.

I think it was J/T...but hope to find out one day!

Send the source those two pics and see which one......lol
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 17, 2010, 12:40:08 AM
I already did...that is why the ID was changed to Jill and Thomas. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on November 17, 2010, 01:32:55 AM
I already did...that is why the ID was changed to Jill and Thomas. :tup:

You sent pictures with the same clothes they were wearing that day? Hard to miss that T shirt with IRISH on it.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 17, 2010, 01:54:51 AM
No...that would be pre Pitstop, clothes should be different when they go back to the airport. But he had excellent pics to compare. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on November 17, 2010, 02:18:02 AM
I am not disputing you......but the clothes they had on when they landed in Dhaka.....are the clothes they had on in the airport in Oman when there were seen.....
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 17, 2010, 05:25:23 AM
Can you show me where to find that info please?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on November 18, 2010, 12:36:29 PM
Re the TAR 17 Finale location.

Some info has come to light:

In Seoul, a production person was overheard on the phone discussing the countdown, and the finale, and the use of THREE helicopters.

While I am very aware that helicopters are used every day for overhead shots, the specification of THREE leads me to wonder if our last three teams were possibly transported by helicopter from LAX to our Finale location? If so, they have a much wider range and could have been outside of LA for the actual finale tasks....


Remember in the TAR 11 final, the teams flew from Guam to Honolulu but were helicoptered to Lanai for the Detour and then flew to San Francisco for the final task. Finals can be pretty spread out, this kind of final set up has been used in other years too.
Such as TAR 9 when they came from Tokyo to Anchorage and then back to Denver or TAR 10 in which the final included Paris. TAR 6 final was very similar to 11 because they went from China to Hawaii, performed tasks there, then flew to Chicago to the finish line.
Last years was just an easy one. In the past few years they have been keeping the final in the same place but they could be going back to old ways in this one.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Zack. on November 18, 2010, 03:02:58 PM
The intermediate destination trend was done mainly to ease the burden of going through US customs; given how busy LAX is, I doubt they would just use it as an intermediate stop for customs (especially since they would have crew doubling back to get back to WRP).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: woden on November 18, 2010, 03:10:13 PM
Remember in the TAR 11 final, the teams flew from Guam to Honolulu but were helicoptered to Lanai for the Detour and then flew to San Francisco for the final task. Finals can be pretty spread out, this kind of final set up has been used in other years too.
Such as TAR 9 when they came from Tokyo to Anchorage and then back to Denver or TAR 10 in which the final included Paris. TAR 6 final was very similar to 11 because they went from China to Hawaii, performed tasks there, then flew to Chicago to the finish line.
Last years was just an easy one. In the past few years they have been keeping the final in the same place but they could be going back to old ways in this one.

Also worth keeping in mind: TAR 9 was a two hour finale and TAR 10/11 were 28 and 27 day races. With the roughly 21-day race and the one hour finale pretty firmly in place, a 3-destination finale doesn't seem likely to come back.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on November 18, 2010, 03:10:53 PM
The intermediate destination trend was done mainly to ease the burden of going through US customs; given how busy LAX is, I doubt they would just use it as an intermediate stop for customs (especially since they would have crew doubling back to get back to WRP).

But with the choppers in the air we have to consider other, more rural areas in Cali. There are plenty of areas like Death Valley or Yosemite. Those are probably too heavily trafficked though, we would have a sighting.
What are the logistics involved in flying a chopper over the border to Mexico and then hopping back over for the finish line?
Or there is always San Diego or Phoenix, landing at LAX could be a throw off.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on November 18, 2010, 03:15:57 PM
Remember in the TAR 11 final, the teams flew from Guam to Honolulu but were helicoptered to Lanai for the Detour and then flew to San Francisco for the final task. Finals can be pretty spread out, this kind of final set up has been used in other years too.
Such as TAR 9 when they came from Tokyo to Anchorage and then back to Denver or TAR 10 in which the final included Paris. TAR 6 final was very similar to 11 because they went from China to Hawaii, performed tasks there, then flew to Chicago to the finish line.
Last years was just an easy one. In the past few years they have been keeping the final in the same place but they could be going back to old ways in this one.

Also worth keeping in mind: TAR 9 was a two hour finale and TAR 10/11 were 28 and 27 day races. With the roughly 21-day race and the one hour finale pretty firmly in place, a 3-destination finale doesn't seem likely to come back.

In TAR 9 it looked like a two hour final on TV but leg 11 was a regular leg and Lake Yamanaka was a regular PS. In this era they would just have played the Japan leg in the previous week. All the stops that I mentioned happened in episode 12.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: florida on November 18, 2010, 03:20:41 PM
Where would you take a helicopter ride from L.A. out to....?  [These sound the most credible.]

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http://www.elitehelicoptertours.com/  (Out of Van Nuys)


They also do custom jobs.
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There is also this company which does charter flights to Big Bear and Palm Springs (to name a few)...

http://www.lahelicopters.com/flight-services-charter.html  (Out of Long Beach)

And this one, out of Hawthorne (just down the road from LAX)

http://www.lahelicopters.com/flight-services-charter.html
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on November 18, 2010, 03:53:46 PM
First, I think you need to know WHY they took helicopters............they never have before when coming back to the US mainland.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: florida on November 18, 2010, 04:36:36 PM
First, I think you need to know WHY they took helicopters............they never have before when coming back to the US mainland.

LA is a huge, urbanized area with plenty of traffic to delay a team unfairly. (It's a great place to start a leg, since there are no tasks except getting to the airport.) Theoretically, they would rent the helicopters to get the teams on an even playing field instead of relying on taxi and traffic luck, and to get them out of the metropolis itself for a wider array of tasks (like the zipline fun and woodsy detours in TAR 13). Even though I've never been nor lived in SoCal, I'd think it would be logistically difficult to get a proper race course set up in the LA urban area because it's so spread out. Other seasons seemed to have a more concentrated course for the final tasks.

We've never had them finish in the LA area, either.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on November 18, 2010, 04:49:52 PM
First, I think you need to know WHY they took helicopters............they never have before when coming back to the US mainland.

LA is a huge, urbanized area with plenty of traffic to delay a team unfairly. (It's a great place to start a leg, since there are no tasks except getting to the airport.) Theoretically, they would rent the helicopters to get the teams on an even playing field instead of relying on taxi and traffic luck, and to get them out of the metropolis itself for a wider array of tasks (like the zipline fun and woodsy detours in TAR 13). Even though I've never been nor lived in SoCal, I'd think it would be logistically difficult to get a proper race course set up in the LA urban area because it's so spread out. Other seasons seemed to have a more concentrated course for the final tasks.

We've never had them finish in the LA area, either.

Well I certainly think that too....but also to get away from our "Airport Man"......lol  Maybe it worked and maybe it didnt........somehow I dont think it did!!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TexasLady on November 18, 2010, 05:03:18 PM
Talking about the LA airport reminded me of the last trip we took there. Even though my husband lived in the outskirts of LA for years, after landing we got in the rental, drove out of the airport and were immediately lost and in a really bad area. I wouldn't think letting the racers drive themselves to a location would be a good idea.   :umn:

If we knew they flew into Ontario that would be different.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: florida on November 18, 2010, 05:06:55 PM
Well I certainly think that too....but also to get away from our "Airport Man"......lol 

I totally forgot about him lol.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on November 18, 2010, 05:43:12 PM
Well, they have let them fly into NYC twice....I would consider that more congested than LA.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: florida on November 18, 2010, 05:55:26 PM
Well, they have let them fly into NYC twice....I would consider that more congested than LA.

Yes, but NYC has a better public transportation system, that reaches out to more areas, than LA, no? Plus, everyone lives stacked on top of each other in NYC, but spread out in LA.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on November 18, 2010, 06:06:52 PM
Well, they have let them fly into NYC twice....I would consider that more congested than LA.

Yes, but NYC has a better public transportation system, that reaches out to more areas, than LA, no? Plus, everyone lives stacked on top of each other in NYC, but spread out in LA.

Yes, for instance in TAR 10 they went from JFK to the Daily News building, a trip that can be made nearly entirely by subway.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on November 18, 2010, 06:14:10 PM
Well, they have let them fly into NYC twice....I would consider that more congested than LA.

Yes, but NYC has a better public transportation system, that reaches out to more areas, than LA, no? Plus, everyone lives stacked on top of each other in NYC, but spread out in LA.

Are you serious............that metropolitian area goes from DC to Boston....... and they used both taxis and mass transit....

In TAR 1 they didnt have to clear customs......but I do think it is combination of logistics and security. Helicopters are expensive....so how long do you think they ride them......30 minutes?  More/less?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: florida on November 18, 2010, 06:45:52 PM
Are you serious............that metropolitian area goes from DC to Boston....... and they used both taxis and mass transit....

In TAR 1 they didnt have to clear customs......but I do think it is combination of logistics and security. Helicopters are expensive....so how long do you think they ride them......30 minutes?  More/less?

There are quite a bit of trees and rural areas between DC and NYC ;)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on November 18, 2010, 07:18:41 PM
Are you serious............that metropolitian area goes from DC to Boston....... and they used both taxis and mass transit....

In TAR 1 they didnt have to clear customs......but I do think it is combination of logistics and security. Helicopters are expensive....so how long do you think they ride them......30 minutes?  More/less?

There are quite a bit of trees and rural areas between DC and NYC ;)

Well I certainly agree with that......and I look at the LA area as San Diego to Santa Barbara and over to San Bernadino......lots of trees and brush there too.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: florida on November 19, 2010, 11:59:44 AM
I agree to disagree, and will leave it at that  :lol: :badhorse:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TexasLady on November 19, 2010, 01:27:52 PM
 
First, I think you need to know WHY they took helicopters............they never have before when coming back to the US mainland.

LA is a huge, urbanized area with plenty of traffic to delay a team unfairly. (It's a great place to start a leg, since there are no tasks except getting to the airport.) Theoretically, they would rent the helicopters to get the teams on an even playing field instead of relying on taxi and traffic luck, and to get them out of the metropolis itself for a wider array of tasks (like the zipline fun and woodsy detours in TAR 13). Even though I've never been nor lived in SoCal, I'd think it would be logistically difficult to get a proper race course set up in the LA urban area because it's so spread out. Other seasons seemed to have a more concentrated course for the final tasks.

We've never had them finish in the LA area, either.


 
I'm thinking out of the box... Where could they have gone from LA? I like the helicopter idea. Bus? Car with GPS?  :lol:

From LA, the teams could have gone anywhere. Perhaps to the High Desert area such as Lancaster, (Edwards AFB.) A private area near the ocean for example some famous person's estate. (Barbra Streisand's Malibu estate?)  I can't think of much near Palm Springs. Open to suggestions though. How about south to San Clemente?


Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on November 19, 2010, 02:22:37 PM
Well, unless we get a clue, it is just impossible to guess where they went.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TexasLady on November 19, 2010, 02:41:43 PM
Well, unless we get a clue, it is just impossible to guess where they went.

I know. So frustrating.  (:;) 

(not to mention my detective skills are not finely honed as to where to hunt.)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on November 19, 2010, 03:24:39 PM
We will have to wait for preview screencaps and the written promos for the finale. It will be a busy week. When they have used helicopters in the past to transport teams........they always have taken them to another airport and then the teams drive /taxi from there. So probably a small, general aviation airport in the area of the LA basin/SoCal area that they have the tasks for the finale.

Towered general aviation airports
Brackett Field (IATA: POC, ICAO: KPOC) is in La Verne.
Camarillo Airport (IATA: CMA, ICAO: KCMA) is in Camarillo.
Chino Airport (IATA: CNO, ICAO: KCNO) is in Chino.
El Monte Airport (IATA: EMT, ICAO: KEMT) is in El Monte.
Fullerton Municipal Airport (IATA: FUL, ICAO: KFUL) is in Fullerton.
General William J. Fox Airfield (IATA: WJF, ICAO: KWJF) is in Lancaster.
Hawthorne Municipal Airport (IATA: HHR, ICAO: KHHR) is in Hawthorne.
Oxnard Airport (IATA: OXR, ICAO: KOXR) is in Oxnard.
San Bernardino International Airport (IATA: SBD, ICAO: KSBD) is in San Bernardino.
Santa Monica Airport (IATA: SMO, ICAO: KSMO) is in Santa Monica
Southern California Logistics Airport (IATA: VCV, ICAO: KVCV) is in Victorville in San Bernardino County, far north-east of the city.
Van Nuys Airport (IATA: VNY, ICAO: KVNY) is in the San Fernando Valley. It is the world's busiest general aviation airport.[1]
Whiteman Airport (IATA: WHP, ICAO: KWHP) is in the northern San Fernando Valley.
Zamperini Field (IATA: TOA, ICAO: KTOA) is in Torrance.
Riverside Municipal Airport (IATA: RAL, ICAO: KRAL) is in Riverside


Non-towered general aviation airports
Apple Valley Airport (IATA: APV, ICAO: KAPV) is in Apple Valley
Cable Airport (IATA: CCB, ICAO: KCCB) is in Upland.
Catalina Airport (IATA: CIB, ICAO: KAVX) is near Avalon, Santa Catalina Island.
Compton/Woodley Airport (IATA: CPM, ICAO: KCPM) is in Compton.
Corona Municipal Airport (IATA: AJO, ICAO: KAJO) is in Corona.
Flabob Airport (IATA: RIR, ICAO: KRIR) is in Riverside.
Perris Valley Airport (FAA LID: L65) is in Perris.
Redlands Municipal Airport (IATA: REI, ICAO: KREI) is in Redlands.
Rialto Municipal Airport (FAA LID: L67) is in Rialto.

I also found a list of 61 federally registered heliports.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on November 19, 2010, 03:28:40 PM
We will have to wait for preview screencaps and the written promos for the finale. It will be a busy week.

I know, that one will be taken down to every frame.  :spy:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: apskip on November 19, 2010, 05:06:36 PM
Talking about the LA airport reminded me of the last trip we took there. Even though my husband lived in the outskirts of LA for years, after landing we got in the rental, drove out of the airport and were immediately lost and in a really bad area. I wouldn't think letting the racers drive themselves to a location would be a good idea.   :umn:

If we knew they flew into Ontario that would be different.

However, there are no international flights I know of into Ontario or any other smaller airport in California. Except for Ontario International Airport flights from London, the only California airports with international flights other than to/from Mexico are Sacramento, San Francisco, San Jose, Los Angeles and San Diego. I am going to look into further to make sure I am right.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redskevin88 on November 21, 2010, 06:18:41 PM
According to an ex-girlfriend of a friend of a friend's cousin, they ended in Santa Barbara, California.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on November 21, 2010, 06:47:09 PM
According to an ex-girlfriend of a friend of a friend's cousin, they ended in Santa Barbara, California.

Is that supposed 2 b a joke?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redskevin88 on November 21, 2010, 06:48:50 PM
According to an ex-girlfriend of a friend of a friend's cousin, they ended in Santa Barbara, California.

Is that supposed 2 b a joke?

nope
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prama on December 01, 2010, 04:41:35 PM
Speculation: Did anyone notice this?

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1206.snc4/155817_1740448395189_1358051908_2668785_4112057_n.jpg)

It has been showed twice (episode 8 and 10) and only Nat-Kat showed being interview with that 'background'. This interview could be happened in the final pitstop....
Can anyone recognize the place?  :lol:

Again, it was just my spec :)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2010, 05:16:34 PM
Hmmmmm...good eye! Let's look!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Levi Rinno on December 01, 2010, 05:19:22 PM
Speculation: Did anyone notice this?

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1206.snc4/155817_1740448395189_1358051908_2668785_4112057_n.jpg)

It has been showed twice (episode 8 and 10) and only Nat-Kat showed being interview with that 'background'. This interview could be happened in the final pitstop....
Can anyone recognize the place?  :lol:

Again, it was just my spec :)
You mean the finish line?

If it's after the final leg, looks like someone may not have won. :(
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 01, 2010, 08:00:48 PM
Speculation: Did anyone notice this?

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1206.snc4/155817_1740448395189_1358051908_2668785_4112057_n.jpg)

It has been showed twice (episode 8 and 10) and only Nat-Kat showed being interview with that 'background'. This interview could be happened in the final pitstop....
Can anyone recognize the place?  :lol:

Again, it was just my spec :)

Interesting observation! I think you may be onto something. If they used it after episode 10 then it had to be taken at either Hong Kong, South Korea or after the race. My initial reaction is that the stone walk and tall thin trees aren't in keeping with Hong Kong or South Korea, so it may have been taken at the end of the race. After brightening the picture, the background on the left appears to be more of the tall thin trees seen in the background on the right. There's no buildings in the image as far as I can tell.

The trees, stone walk and low stone wall in the background look like they could be somewhere in Southern California (or even Santa Barbara which I found an extremely weak indication of as the final destination and posted to the Tar 17 Tweets thread lately). It's probably not in the mountains or desert of Southern California. It could also be about 10,000 other places, so who knows?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on December 02, 2010, 10:23:09 AM
Can anyone find any photos of past winners after they won?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 02, 2010, 10:36:03 AM
Can any1 find any photos of past winners after they won?

That is more than easy to research. :res:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on December 02, 2010, 11:40:19 AM
Can any1 find any photos of past winners after they won?

That is more than easy to research. :res:

I found several but it was difficult to prove where they were at the time.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on December 02, 2010, 12:09:25 PM
I noticed that to, even with past seasons as well. Espeically Meghan and Cheyne. Maybe Nat and Kat won :duno:
 

If previous winners had confessionals taken after the Race revealed before the final leg was shown, then there's a good chance Nat & Kat are the winners!  I sure hope so!   :yess:

Incidentally Levi, although Nat's face doesn't seem to be that of a winner, that doesn't necessarily mean she & Kat lost.  They could be talking about something else and Nat is frowning in recollection of it.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on December 02, 2010, 12:15:50 PM
I noticed that to, even with past seasons as well. Espeically Meghan and Cheyne. Maybe Nat and Kat won :duno:
 

If previous winners had confessionals taken after the Race revealed before the final leg was shown, then there's a good chance Nat & Kat are the winners!  I sure hope so!   :yess:

Incidentally Levi, although Nat's face doesn't seem to be that of a winner, that doesn't necessarily mean she & Kat lost.  They could be talking about something else and Nat is frowning in recollection of it.

Belle Book


It depends on what they were talking about in this particular shot. Do you know, pramararama?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 02, 2010, 12:26:14 PM
According to an ex-girlfriend of a friend of a friend's cousin, they ended in Santa Barbara, California.

I copied this over from the TAR 17 speculation thread though I'm not sure it qualifies as a real live sighting. Peach, move it if you think it needs to be elsewhere.

I found this intriguing little message on Suite101.com from last July at http://www.suite101.com/content/amazing-race-17-gets-started-in-gloucester-boston-massachusetts-a241709 (http://www.suite101.com/content/amazing-race-17-gets-started-in-gloucester-boston-massachusetts-a241709).

does any one know if TAR 18 is filming?
I saw some people running in Santa Barbara Califonia and clearly saw one gilr holding the TAR clue.
then I follow them to a alice keck park in Santa Barbara and there was huge bolling pins and so I'm just wondering


Unfortunately, the person is listed as "guest" so we won't be able to follow up on it. Steven Fife at the Suite101.com web site politely said it was probably a local race. He is quite possibly right since July is not when TAR 17 (or 18) was run, however if the guest was mentioning something that was seen a month earlier in June, then this report gets much more interesting. Given that 5 of the last 6 participants are "gilrs" that is in the report's favor. 

Here are a couple of links to Alice Keck park:
http://www.santabarbara.com/activities/parks/alicekeck/ (http://www.santabarbara.com/activities/parks/alicekeck/)
http://www.rth.org/sb/ (http://www.rth.org/sb/)

It does look like a place that could be used for a detour/roadblock. Lots of trees and trails for a small city block sized park that might briefly make it hard to find the detour/roadblock. Huge bowling pins might be unlikely for a local TAR knock off race. You can reserve the park of events/weddings at http://www.santabarbaraca.gov/eRecreation/Facilities/FacilitiesDetail.asp?FacilityId=16 (http://www.santabarbaraca.gov/eRecreation/Facilities/FacilitiesDetail.asp?FacilityId=16). It has a calendar but doesn't allow you to go back into the past.

I'd rate this as a low probability of being the real TAR, but thus far, it's the only possible indication of the finish line location I've seen.

Plaidmoon

By fudging around with the URL I was able to look at bookings for Alice Keck park back in June.
The park was available on June 15 - but was booked on June 16th from 2pm to 5:30pm - which may be a day too late. But strangely - that's the only day the park was officially booked in all of June and July.
Could we be off by a day?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on December 02, 2010, 12:35:14 PM
By fudging around with the URL I was able to look at bookings for Alice Keck park back in June.
The park was available on June 15 - but was booked on June 16th from 2pm to 5:30pm - which may be a day too late. But strangely - that's the only day the park was officially booked in all of June and July.
Could we be off by a day?


I would think that if it was a local race it would have been reserved. Since the comment was made in July can you find out if it was reserved then? I still find it a little odd that she would mention something that happened on June 15 on July 23rd. However it is definitely possible considering the context.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 02, 2010, 12:40:15 PM
By fudging around with the URL I was able to look at bookings for Alice Keck park back in June.
The park was available on June 15 - but was booked on June 16th from 2pm to 5:30pm - which may be a day too late. But strangely - that's the only day the park was officially booked in all of June and July.
Could we be off by a day?


I would think that if it was a local race it would have been reserved. Since the comment was made in July can you find out if it was reserved then? I still find it a little odd that she would mention something that happened on June 15 on July 23rd. However it is definitely possible considering the context.
:colealert: :ty4posting :hammer
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 02, 2010, 12:59:00 PM
I noticed that to, even with past seasons as well. Espeically Meghan and Cheyne. Maybe Nat and Kat won :duno:
 

If previous winners had confessionals taken after the Race revealed before the final leg was shown, then there's a good chance Nat & Kat are the winners!  I sure hope so!   :yess:

Incidentally Levi, although Nat's face doesn't seem to be that of a winner, that doesn't necessarily mean she & Kat lost.  They could be talking about something else and Nat is frowning in recollection of it.

Belle Book


It is not uncommon for winners and non-winners to have confessionals from the Finale shown along the way. I can think of many. So that is no way indicative of anything.

The thing here is to see if we can conclusively find this location...so start looking guys!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Slowhatch on December 02, 2010, 01:15:19 PM
Thuja (arborvitae) is everywhere, but the paving looks unusual; if we can put the two together it will be a match.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 02, 2010, 02:11:39 PM
If someone has time, could you match some screenshots of the pitstops legs from leg 8 on to be sure their clothes don't match? Thanks!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 02, 2010, 02:36:20 PM
If someone has time, could you match some screenshots of the pitstops legs from leg 8 on to be sure their clothes don't match? Thanks!
The confessional has to occur after Ep 10 because Nat is discussing the Hong Kong food roadblock. About 15:11 in ep 10.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on December 02, 2010, 02:45:18 PM
If someone has time, could you match some screenshots of the pitstops legs from leg 8 on to be sure their clothes don't match? Thanks!
The confessional has to occur after Ep 10 because Nat is discussing the Hong Kong food roadblock. About 15:11 in ep 10.

Which explains her facial expressions!
Great work pneumonia!
It was most likely not recorded at the soccer field PS in leg 11, right?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prama on December 02, 2010, 04:24:57 PM
If someone has time, could you match some screenshots of the pitstops legs from leg 8 on to be sure their clothes don't match? Thanks!
The confessional has to occur after Ep 10 because Nat is discussing the Hong Kong food roadblock. About 15:11 in ep 10.

Which explains her facial expressions!
Great work pneumonia!
It was most likely not recorded at the soccer field PS in leg 11, right?

Yep, you're right. Here's the cap from episode 10:

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs696.snc4/63590_1741936792398_1358051908_2671240_2973660_n.jpg)

same outfit, same background  :lol:

and i don't think it was taken in South Korea. because they're wearing different outfit (unless they changed it :lol: ) :

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2011%20Seoul/TAR17ep11PROMOcaps0044.jpg)

also the weather in South Korea is not as sunny as in the background :)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 02, 2010, 04:44:29 PM

If someone has time, could you match some screenshots of the pitstops legs from leg 8 on to be sure their clothes don't match? Thanks!
The confessional has to occur after Ep 10 because Nat is discussing the Hong Kong food roadblock. About 15:11 in ep 10.


Yep, you're right. Here's the cap from episode 10:

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs696.snc4/63590_1741936792398_1358051908_2671240_2973660_n.jpg)

same outfit, same background  :lol:

and i don't think it was taken in South Korea. because they're wearing different outfit (unless they changed it :lol: ) :

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2011%20Seoul/TAR17ep11PROMOcaps0044.jpg)

also the weather in South Korea is not as sunny as in the background :)

Something else that may or may not be significant:
If you look at Nat's right wrist in the confessional she is wearing a purple bracelet. In ep 10 she is wearing it on her left wrist and in the preview for ep.11 you can see she is still wearing it on her left wrist.
At some point she changes it to her right wrist. After ep. 11?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 02, 2010, 07:56:42 PM
According to an ex-girlfriend of a friend of a friend's cousin, they ended in Santa Barbara, California.

I copied this over from the TAR 17 speculation thread though I'm not sure it qualifies as a real live sighting. Peach, move it if you think it needs to be elsewhere.

I found this intriguing little message on Suite101.com from last July at http://www.suite101.com/content/amazing-race-17-gets-started-in-gloucester-boston-massachusetts-a241709 (http://www.suite101.com/content/amazing-race-17-gets-started-in-gloucester-boston-massachusetts-a241709).

does any one know if TAR 18 is filming?
I saw some people running in Santa Barbara Califonia and clearly saw one gilr holding the TAR clue.
then I follow them to a alice keck park in Santa Barbara and there was huge bolling pins and so I'm just wondering


Unfortunately, the person is listed as "guest" so we won't be able to follow up on it. Steven Fife at the Suite101.com web site politely said it was probably a local race. He is quite possibly right since July is not when TAR 17 (or 18) was run, however if the guest was mentioning something that was seen a month earlier in June, then this report gets much more interesting. Given that 5 of the last 6 participants are "gilrs" that is in the report's favor. 

Here are a couple of links to Alice Keck park:
http://www.santabarbara.com/activities/parks/alicekeck/ (http://www.santabarbara.com/activities/parks/alicekeck/)
http://www.rth.org/sb/ (http://www.rth.org/sb/)

It does look like a place that could be used for a detour/roadblock. Lots of trees and trails for a small city block sized park that might briefly make it hard to find the detour/roadblock. Huge bowling pins might be unlikely for a local TAR knock off race. You can reserve the park of events/weddings at http://www.santabarbaraca.gov/eRecreation/Facilities/FacilitiesDetail.asp?FacilityId=16 (http://www.santabarbaraca.gov/eRecreation/Facilities/FacilitiesDetail.asp?FacilityId=16). It has a calendar but doesn't allow you to go back into the past.

I'd rate this as a low probability of being the real TAR, but thus far, it's the only possible indication of the finish line location I've seen.

Plaidmoon

By fudging around with the URL I was able to look at bookings for Alice Keck park back in June.
The park was available on June 15 - but was booked on June 16th from 2pm to 5:30pm - which may be a day too late. But strangely - that's the only day the park was officially booked in all of June and July.
Could we be off by a day?


If the teams flew into LAX and were then flown somewhere by helicopter, I suppose that production could easily have imposed a 24 hour rest stop that will never get mentioned. The final 3 would all be bunched together (I think they were without looking through all the sightings), so production could start the last leg any time they want to. I'm not sure why they would delay it like that, but they could do it.

That's good work digging up the schedule! I have to think that TAR would reserve the park for more than 4 hours. Probably they would want it all day. That would allow plenty of time to set up whatever they were doing there and also for any delayed team to show up a few hours behind. Perhaps if it was just used for a route info box that wouldn't need much set up time, but otherwise I think it would take a few hours for set up. So I think the 4 hour reservation block weighs somewhat against it being TAR 17.

I'm still having some issues believing that they could have run a final leg in Santa Barbara without someone seeing it and mentioning it somewhere that we could find it. I did try for an hour or so to look at a few mansions and landmarks in the Santa Barbara area in Google Earth to see if I could find the trees/stone walk combination that are around Nat and Kat, but I couldn't find it.  :duno:



Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 02, 2010, 10:07:50 PM
Santa Barbara has some corporate Amazing Race companies, I think we have to be sure that was not one of those first. I am doubtful of this, but have no evidence.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on December 03, 2010, 10:00:42 AM
Quote
Something else that may or may not be significant:
If you look at Nat's right wrist in the confessional she is wearing a purple bracelet. In ep 10 she is wearing it on her left wrist and in the preview for ep.11 you can see she is still wearing it on her left wrist.
At some point she changes it to her right wrist. After ep. 11?

At some point, Kat unbraids her hair. Perhaps at the end?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on December 03, 2010, 10:02:27 AM
Santa Barbara has some corporate Amazing Race companies, I think we have to be sure that was not one of those first. I am doubtful of this, but have no evidence.

Based on the date difference and the amount of time reserved, I think this park is only a rabbit trail.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 05, 2010, 03:11:26 AM
Speculation: Did anyone notice this?

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1206.snc4/155817_1740448395189_1358051908_2668785_4112057_n.jpg)

It has been showed twice (episode 8 and 10) and only Nat-Kat showed being interview with that 'background'. This interview could be happened in the final pitstop....
Can anyone recognize the place?  :lol:

Again, it was just my spec :)

Interesting observation! I think you may be onto something. If they used it after episode 10 then it had to be taken at either Hong Kong, South Korea or after the race. My initial reaction is that the stone walk and tall thin trees aren't in keeping with Hong Kong or South Korea, so it may have been taken at the end of the race. After brightening the picture, the background on the left appears to be more of the tall thin trees seen in the background on the right. There's no buildings in the image as far as I can tell.

The trees, stone walk and low stone wall in the background look like they could be somewhere in Southern California (or even Santa Barbara which I found an extremely weak indication of as the final destination and posted to the Tar 17 Tweets thread lately). It's probably not in the mountains or desert of Southern California. It could also be about 10,000 other places, so who knows?


This cap is from the ep 11 PROMO (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23565.msg569118.html#msg569118)...

Clothes match?

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2011%20Seoul/TAR17ep11PROMOcaps0107.jpg)



Even though this is from the ep 11 PROMO...the clothes in this cap do NOT match the clothes we see the racers wearing during the Seoul leg...not for ANY of the racers.

So where is this shot of Nat and Kat and when is it taken? Could this be the start of the finale leg? ???
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 05, 2010, 05:28:19 AM
Speculation: Did anyone notice this?

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1206.snc4/155817_1740448395189_1358051908_2668785_4112057_n.jpg)

It has been showed twice (episode 8 and 10) and only Nat-Kat showed being interview with that 'background'. This interview could be happened in the final pitstop....
Can anyone recognize the place?  :lol:

Again, it was just my spec :)

Interesting observation! I think you may be onto something. If they used it after episode 10 then it had to be taken at either Hong Kong, South Korea or after the race. My initial reaction is that the stone walk and tall thin trees aren't in keeping with Hong Kong or South Korea, so it may have been taken at the end of the race. After brightening the picture, the background on the left appears to be more of the tall thin trees seen in the background on the right. There's no buildings in the image as far as I can tell.

The trees, stone walk and low stone wall in the background look like they could be somewhere in Southern California (or even Santa Barbara which I found an extremely weak indication of as the final destination and posted to the Tar 17 Tweets thread lately). It's probably not in the mountains or desert of Southern California. It could also be about 10,000 other places, so who knows?


This cap is from the ep 11 PROMO (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23565.msg569118.html#msg569118)...

Clothes match?

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2011%20Seoul/TAR17ep11PROMOcaps0107.jpg)



Even though this is from the ep 11 PROMO...the clothes in this cap do NOT match the clothes we see the racers wearing during the Seoul leg...not for ANY of the racers.

So where is this shot of Nat and Kat and when is it taken? Could this be the start of the finale leg? ???

The triangular hand holds from the Jill and Thomas shot match this image (below) that I found from the Seoul subway system. If the clothes they are wearing don't match the clothes seen in the Seoul Leg, maybe they could have been on the way to the Seoul airport during the final leg.  :duno


Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 05, 2010, 05:47:23 AM
No.... caps seem do  to match their clothes for ep 10.... take a look at the ep 10 caps?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Puppet on December 05, 2010, 06:07:07 AM
Nat and Kat looks like they are boarding the ferry in Hong Kong. :duno: Nah I could be wrong...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Cocoa on December 05, 2010, 06:11:13 AM
Nat and Kat looks like they are boarding the ferry in Hong Kong. :duno: Nah I could be wrong...

I could see some Chinese signs out there, I guess
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Chateau d If on December 05, 2010, 05:08:34 PM
The shot of Nat & Kat is from Ep10 when they are getting on the ferry to Cheung Chau island.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2017/ep%2011%20Seoul/TAR17ep11PROMOcaps0107.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1206.snc4/155817_1740448395189_1358051908_2668785_4112057_n.jpg)

What they are wearing is a perfect match* to the Cyprus confessional (Cyprus is the type of tree in the shot) when they talked about the restaurant fake food. 

*almost:  the exception is that Kat no longer has the blue sleeveless under her black shirt.

You can see the top right strap of the blue sleeveless in the ferry shot.  It's under the backpack strap.  But things change!  After they get on the ferry, and for the rest of the leg, the Kat is without the black shirt.  Even the confessionals shot in the hotel room show this clothing configuration.

Since the Cyprus confessional is in good daylight we can conclude that it was shot on any date after the Hong Kong leg: 

June 13th in Hong Kong possible (long pit stop since they aren't spotted in Seoul until the 14th)
June 14th in Korea (not likely due to type of tree)
June 15th in LA area possible
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: River on December 05, 2010, 06:03:47 PM
Great work Chateau! A good thing to think about is that there isn’t much open area in Hong Kong so they probably would have done those confessionals in a park or something there…
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on December 05, 2010, 06:47:44 PM
Nice work Chateau!! That makes a lot of sense. It's also good to have a good idea of when the final occurred.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on December 05, 2010, 08:02:18 PM
Helicopters to Long Beach port
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TexasLady on December 05, 2010, 10:43:21 PM
Haha.. I feel vindicated, I said I thought they used helicopters and we should look along the beach. Maybe there is hope for me yet!  :spy:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 07, 2010, 02:35:51 PM
Would I quit my job and move to LA if I won $1 million - this guy thinks Brooke did.

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/telebuddy/archives/2010/12/knoxvilles-amaz.shtml
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Laimis on December 07, 2010, 02:52:33 PM
Would I quit my job and move to LA if I won $1 million - this guy thinks Brooke did.

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/telebuddy/archives/2010/12/knoxvilles-amaz.shtml

omg, omG, OMG  :cmas51
That will be awesome !!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mike4lyf on December 07, 2010, 02:56:47 PM
Would I quit my job and move to LA if I won $1 million - this guy thinks Brooke did.

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/telebuddy/archives/2010/12/knoxvilles-amaz.shtml

omg, omG, OMG  :cmas51
That will be awesome !!!
:xmas146  :cmas23  :cmas51  :cmas9
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on December 07, 2010, 03:00:23 PM
Would I quit my job and move to LA if I won $1 million - this guy thinks Brooke did.

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/telebuddy/archives/2010/12/knoxvilles-amaz.shtml

omg, omG, OMG  :cmas51
That will be awesome !!!
:xmas146  :cmas23  :cmas51  :cmas9

It says she is pursuing a career in entertainment. No matter what happened someone in the entertainment business would want her.  :kisses B:)
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mike4lyf on December 08, 2010, 03:00:47 PM
Brook and Claire FTW!
:cmas51 Brook and Claire for All Stars 3!!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Flamant on December 08, 2010, 03:06:26 PM
Brook and Claire FTW!
:cmas51 Brook and Claire for All Stars 3!!


Would love to see them back for All Stars 3, even if they (maybe) won  :cmas22
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: coolio on December 08, 2010, 09:12:20 PM
U would think Claire would go w/ her though? :cmas5
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on December 08, 2010, 09:28:34 PM
Brook and Claire FTW!
:cmas51 Brook and Claire for All Stars 3!!


Would love to see them back for All Stars 3, even if they (maybe) won  :cmas22

Before All Stars 3........you have to have an All Stars 2.........
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Lpadres on December 08, 2010, 09:55:22 PM
Brook and Claire FTW!
:cmas51 Brook and Claire for All Stars 3!!


Would love to see them back for All Stars 3, even if they (maybe) won  :cmas22

Before All Stars 3........you have to have an All Stars 2.........
Which we have basically confirmed. There is some specualtion of wether or not it is all stars or teams who were eliminated in unfortunate ways, as in taxi troubles or like 30 seconds from the mat or of a time penalty. We are still waiting for the exact confirmation from Phil in the next TAR 17 episode though.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on December 08, 2010, 10:01:07 PM
Brook and Claire FTW!
:cmas51 Brook and Claire for All Stars 3!!


Would love to see them back for All Stars 3, even if they (maybe) won  :cmas22

Before All Stars 3........you have to have an All Stars 2.........
Which we have basically confirmed. There is some specualtion of wether or not it is all stars or teams who were eliminated in unfortunate ways, as in taxi troubles or like 30 seconds from the mat or of a time penalty. We are still waiting for the exact confirmation from Phil in the next TAR 17 episode though.

We have nothing confirmed. If you define the cast for TAR 18 as "All Star," you have a pretty lame definition of the term "All Star." No winners and 7 of them were eliminated.......All Star FAIL.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Lpadres on December 08, 2010, 10:12:24 PM
Brook and Claire FTW!
:cmas51 Brook and Claire for All Stars 3!!


Would love to see them back for All Stars 3, even if they (maybe) won  :cmas22

Before All Stars 3........you have to have an All Stars 2.........
Which we have basically confirmed. There is some specualtion of wether or not it is all stars or teams who were eliminated in unfortunate ways, as in taxi troubles or like 30 seconds from the mat or of a time penalty. We are still waiting for the exact confirmation from Phil in the next TAR 17 episode though.

We have nothing confirmed. If you define the cast for TAR 18 as "All Star," you have a pretty lame definition of the term "All Star." No winners and 7 of them were eliminated.......All Star FAIL.
I said we basically confirmed but we could be wrong. Read before you post. I said that it could be somewhat of a re do.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 08, 2010, 10:14:34 PM
I am now thinking they might well use the term ALLSTARS even if it patently is not.

They did in ALLSTARS 1, so why not again? ???
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: DrRox on December 08, 2010, 10:18:39 PM
I said we basically confirmed but we could be wrong. Read before you post. I said that it could be somewhat of a re do.

I did read.......do you have a link for that basically confirmed announcement from CBS......if not, why dont we wait till we can confirm it...........too many people assuming facts not in evidence.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 08, 2010, 10:20:58 PM
And we are moving right on now... :tup:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Lpadres on December 08, 2010, 10:25:42 PM
I said....moving ON. :reindeer
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Lpadres on December 09, 2010, 12:37:46 AM
I said....moving ON. :reindeer
Sorry! I was in the middle of typing my little rant when you posted that so I didn't read it until now! I apologize, I just get really defensive on my opinions, as a lot of ppl do.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 09, 2010, 12:47:51 AM
No worries! We all are opinionated around here! Just remember it is fine to flame the shows, but not each other. :kuss:
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: AmazingRace on December 09, 2010, 08:43:41 AM
Aww.. I was hoping he would mention Dustin & Kandice somewhere.  :cmas4

The fact, that they have this interview mainly about the All-Female teams and mentioning "It took 17 seasons for women to take over "The Amazing Race" but finally the day is here." makes me believe that an All-Girl Girl team has won, because if it did'nt, then it would have been 11 seasons.

They mentioned "tweaks a few phobias", perhaps Nat overcame her fear of heights. :cmas51 (Well, she would have to, if they won.)

"Keoghan, who was speaking from a top-secret location where he is filming the 18th season"  :colors (Top-secret eh.. :cmaslol)

P.S Thanks Peach for moving it to the correct thread. My apologies.  :xmas49
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on December 09, 2010, 08:46:54 AM
The above ^^ is in reference to Phil's new article:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23256.msg580887.html#msg580887

speculate here....
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: FLFan on December 09, 2010, 09:51:06 AM

They mentioned "tweaks a few phobias", perhaps Nat overcame her fear of heights. :cmas51 (Well, she would have to, if they won.)

P.S Thanks Peach for moving it to the correct thread. My apologies.  :xmas49

I watched the promo during Survivor last night in slow motion on my HD TV & DVR setup.  If you step through it, you see Nat with tears rolling down her face - eyes practically closed, probably back pressed to one of the uprights, but apparently at the top of the crane.  They also show 2 sequences of team bungee drops.  One is clearly J/T with J on the left (facing the crane) - you can see the faces clearly.  The other, filmed from above, is N/K with K on the left.  You can't really see the faces well for N/K, but based on clothing (not pink) and blonde on a different side (so not J/T), it has to be N/K.

So Nat powers through her fear of heights!!!

As far as I am concerned, N/K deserve to win.  Both faced major hurdles and powered through them.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on December 09, 2010, 10:01:31 AM

They mentioned "tweaks a few phobias", perhaps Nat overcame her fear of heights. :cmas51 (Well, she would have to, if they won.)

P.S Thanks Peach for moving it to the correct thread. My apologies.  :xmas49

I watched the promo during Survivor last night in slow motion on my HD TV & DVR setup.  If you step through it, you see Nat with tears rolling down her face - eyes practically closed, probably back pressed to one of the uprights, but apparently at the top of the crane.  They also show 2 sequences of team bungee drops.  One is clearly J/T with J on the left (facing the crane) - you can see the faces clearly.  The other, filmed from above, is N/K with K on the left.  You can't really see the faces well for N/K, but based on clothing (not pink) and blonde on a different side (so not J/T), it has to be N/K.

So Nat powers through her fear of heights!!!

As far as I am concerned, N/K deserve to win.  Both faced major hurdles and powered through them.

Well, Kat was a vegetarian and yet she powered through that Fast-Forward!  And there's little reason to believe Nat can't do the same and power through her fear of heights.  If they can do that, then they truly deserve to win!  And I think they will.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TAR new fan on December 09, 2010, 11:56:42 AM

They mentioned "tweaks a few phobias", perhaps Nat overcame her fear of heights. :cmas51 (Well, she would have to, if they won.)

P.S Thanks Peach for moving it to the correct thread. My apologies.  :xmas49

I watched the promo during Survivor last night in slow motion on my HD TV & DVR setup.  If you step through it, you see Nat with tears rolling down her face - eyes practically closed, probably back pressed to one of the uprights, but apparently at the top of the crane.  They also show 2 sequences of team bungee drops.  One is clearly J/T with J on the left (facing the crane) - you can see the faces clearly.  The other, filmed from above, is N/K with K on the left.  You can't really see the faces well for N/K, but based on clothing (not pink) and blonde on a different side (so not J/T), it has to be N/K.

So Nat powers through her fear of heights!!!

As far as I am concerned, N/K deserve to win.  Both faced major hurdles and powered through them.

wow, is the promo of that clip available? I haven't seen that one yet, I don't think!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TAR new fan on December 09, 2010, 12:05:46 PM
Would I quit my job and move to LA if I won $1 million - this guy thinks Brooke did.

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/telebuddy/archives/2010/12/knoxvilles-amaz.shtml

omg, omG, OMG  :cmas51
That will be awesome !!!
:xmas146  :cmas23  :cmas51  :cmas9

It says she is pursuing a career in entertainment. No matter what happened someone in the entertainment business would want her.  :kisses B:)

I read in another forum (lol I have been obsessed in the past few days!) that they also both left their jobs though b/c their company was bought out or shut down sometime in April? (of this year?) So could be she just was looking for another gig at that point for that reason as well...
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TAR new fan on December 09, 2010, 12:12:05 PM
The above ^^ is in reference to Phil's new article:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23256.msg580887.html#msg580887

speculate here....

He says: "You think you’ll have it all worked out and then it will turn another way. At the end of the day, the most deserving team wins and that’s the most important thing."

Meaning no Dan/Jordan upsets like last season and the pair that has been in the lead all the way will win?  :cmas20
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 12:15:26 PM
The above ^^ is in reference to Phil's new article:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23256.msg580887.html#msg580887

speculate here....

He says: "You think you’ll have it all worked out and then it will turn another way. At the end of the day, the most deserving team wins and that’s the most important thing."

Meaning no Dan/Jordan upsets like last season and the pair that has been in the lead all the way will win?  :cmas20

Depends on who you mean led all the way...JT or NK?
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TAR new fan on December 09, 2010, 12:27:01 PM
The above ^^ is in reference to Phil's new article:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23256.msg580887.html#msg580887

speculate here....

He says: "You think you’ll have it all worked out and then it will turn another way. At the end of the day, the most deserving team wins and that’s the most important thing."

Meaning no Dan/Jordan upsets like last season and the pair that has been in the lead all the way will win?  :cmas20

Depends on who you mean led all the way...JT or NK?

ha, I meant NK!  :cmas51  :cmas51
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 12:36:04 PM
Jill and Thomas and Nat and Kat both have four #1 finishes, the same as Jet and Cord did.
Brooke and Claire have one number one finish, same as Dan and Jordan did.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Flamant on December 09, 2010, 12:52:00 PM
The above ^^ is in reference to Phil's new article:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23256.msg580887.html#msg580887

speculate here....

He says: "You think you’ll have it all worked out and then it will turn another way. At the end of the day, the most deserving team wins and that’s the most important thing."

Meaning no Dan/Jordan upsets like last season and the pair that has been in the lead all the way will win?  :cmas20

I think what he says is that the most deserving team is the one who crosses the finish line first (could be eather N/K, J/T or B/C).
If not, I think the most deserving team could either be Nat/Kat (because they both conqueired their fears) or Brook/Claire (because they didnt gave up after Claire being hit by a watermelon and after being uturned).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 01:11:32 PM
The above ^^ is in reference to Phil's new article:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23256.msg580887.html#msg580887

speculate here....

He says: "You think you’ll have it all worked out and then it will turn another way. At the end of the day, the most deserving team wins and that’s the most important thing."

Meaning no Dan/Jordan upsets like last season and the pair that has been in the lead all the way will win?  :cmas20

I think what he says is that the most deserving team is the one who crosses the finish line first (could be eather N/K, J/T or B/C).
If not, I think the most deserving team could either be Nat/Kat (because they both conqueired their fears) or Brook/Claire (because they didnt gave up after Claire being hit by a watermelon and after being uturned).

Or Jill and Thomas (who have actually been quite good at the Race).
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: FLFan on December 09, 2010, 01:13:55 PM

They mentioned "tweaks a few phobias", perhaps Nat overcame her fear of heights. :cmas51 (Well, she would have to, if they won.)

P.S Thanks Peach for moving it to the correct thread. My apologies.  :xmas49

I watched the promo during Survivor last night in slow motion on my HD TV & DVR setup.  If you step through it, you see Nat with tears rolling down her face - eyes practically closed, probably back pressed to one of the uprights, but apparently at the top of the crane.  They also show 2 sequences of team bungee drops.  One is clearly J/T with J on the left (facing the crane) - you can see the faces clearly.  The other, filmed from above, is N/K with K on the left.  You can't really see the faces well for N/K, but based on clothing (not pink) and blonde on a different side (so not J/T), it has to be N/K.

So Nat powers through her fear of heights!!!

As far as I am concerned, N/K deserve to win.  Both faced major hurdles and powered through them.

wow, is the promo of that clip available? I haven't seen that one yet, I don't think!

The promo was shown Wednesday night in, I think, the first 15 minutes of Survivor.  I don't have the equipment to pull it off my DVR, hopefully someone else can.
========================


ALL promos are always in the second post of that episode's thread.

Look here, there are also links to where the screencaps are.  :xmas49

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23566.msg569122.html#msg569122
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: connayyy on December 09, 2010, 04:37:39 PM
The above ^^ is in reference to Phil's new article:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,23256.msg580887.html#msg580887

speculate here....

He says: "You think you’ll have it all worked out and then it will turn another way. At the end of the day, the most deserving team wins and that’s the most important thing."

Meaning no Dan/Jordan upsets like last season and the pair that has been in the lead all the way will win?  :cmas20

I think what he says is that the most deserving team is the one who crosses the finish line first (could be eather N/K, J/T or B/C).
If not, I think the most deserving team could either be Nat/Kat (because they both conqueired their fears) or Brook/Claire (because they didnt gave up after Claire being hit by a watermelon and after being uturned).

I think we're all just overthinking this. "Most deserving team" could mean anyone. All three teams have done well overall and I think they all deserve to win.  :cmas16
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 04:39:09 PM
I think we're all just overthinking this. "Most deserving team" could mean anyone. All three teams have done well overall and I think they all deserve to win.  :cmas16

You're right Phil was just giving a line it doesn't mean much. I just think it's funny how people overlook J/T.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: connayyy on December 09, 2010, 05:32:14 PM

You're right Phil was just giving a line it doesn't mean much. I just think it's funny how people overlook J/T.

Even the other teams on the Race overlooked J/T. In confessionals and such, Nat & Kat, Gary & Mallory, and other teams were mentioned as being a threat, but nobody seemed to see J/T as a fierce competitor. I always thought this was strange because to me, Jill & Thomas are the strongest team. They've done well in nearly every challenge, I can only think of maybe 2 that they did not finish quickly and easily.

I don't think they're the winners because of the "all-female team" line being pushed so much. But I do think that they're the strongest team.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 05:44:53 PM

You're right Phil was just giving a line it doesn't mean much. I just think it's funny how people overlook J/T.

Even the other teams on the Race overlooked J/T. In confessionals and such, Nat & Kat, Gary & Mallory, and other teams were mentioned as being a threat, but nobody seemed to see J/T as a fierce competitor. I always thought this was strange because to me, Jill & Thomas are the strongest team. They've done well in nearly every challenge, I can only think of maybe 2 that they did not finish quickly and easily.

I don't think they're the winners because of the "all-female team" line being pushed so much. But I do think that they're the strongest team.

It's somewhat to do with the editing...the editors can paint teams however they want to paint them.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: connayyy on December 09, 2010, 06:40:18 PM

It's all in the editing...the editors can paint teams however they want to paint them.

That's true. It could be the other way around. But I think it makes sense that J/T had not been considered a threat at first, because Nat & Kat had been winning so many times in those few legs. Of course J/T is quite a threat now.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Rogue on December 09, 2010, 06:47:50 PM
Hi I'm new here. I've been lurking this season but at the end I finally decided to break down and join up. Private Rogue reporting for duty!

Actually Nat mentioned that Jill and Thomas are a strong team. If anything it's been Brook and Claire who have been on everyone's radar, more so than Nat and Kat.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Prophet on December 09, 2010, 06:59:59 PM
Hi I'm new here. I've been lurking this season but at the end I finally decided to break down and join up. Private Rogue reporting for duty!

Actually Nat mentioned that Jill and Thomas are a strong team. If anything it's been Brook and Claire who have been on everyone's radar, more so than Nat and Kat.

Welcome to RFF!! Glad you've joined us!
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Belle Book on December 09, 2010, 07:53:20 PM
Hi I'm new here. I've been lurking this season but at the end I finally decided to break down and join up. Private Rogue reporting for duty!

Actually Nat mentioned that Jill and Thomas are a strong team. If anything it's been Brook and Claire who have been on everyone's radar, more so than Nat and Kat.

Well, Nat & Kat were on Chad & Stephanie's radar but I think Brook & Claire were more on other teams' radars than Nat & Kat -- after all, Jill & Thomas U-Turned Brook & Claire and not Nat & Kat!  And I think Jill & Thomas will pay for it in the end.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Rogue on December 09, 2010, 08:34:03 PM
Thanks for the welcome!

With Chad and Stephanie, they only saw the wins. Brook and Claire were averaging either better than or the same as Nat and Kat going into Bangladesh with one win. So Brook and Claire were essentially the better team at that point. Also Chad and Stephanie had it wrong saying Brook and Claire were either in the top or bottom. Sorry that was Nat and Kat. If anything Chad and Stephanie should have been gunning for Thomas and Jill.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TAR new fan on December 09, 2010, 08:50:33 PM

You're right Phil was just giving a line it doesn't mean much. I just think it's funny how people overlook J/T.

Even the other teams on the Race overlooked J/T. In confessionals and such, Nat & Kat, Gary & Mallory, and other teams were mentioned as being a threat, but nobody seemed to see J/T as a fierce competitor. I always thought this was strange because to me, Jill & Thomas are the strongest team. They've done well in nearly every challenge, I can only think of maybe 2 that they did not finish quickly and easily.

I don't think they're the winners because of the "all-female team" line being pushed so much. But I do think that they're the strongest team.

It's all in the editing...the editors can paint teams however they want to paint them.

I agree that J/T are a good team, though I still wish others win ahead of them!
Fact of the matter is, Jill especially is very very fast. Or at least compared to the other male/female couples. She speeds right through. Thomas is persistent, but not as physically strong as some of the other males were nor as fast, I don't think.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TrueNorth on December 10, 2010, 10:31:43 AM
Here's another thought on Brooke;

Tar 17 was like a three month audition tape for her. She has a terrific personality and a very favorable edit throughout the season. It may be that talent headhunters came calling. At her age, the amount of money she would receive from winning would certainly be a nice addition o her bank account (probably around $250,000) but certainly not enough to stop working.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Personally I hope she and Claire win, but woujld like to see Nat and Kat too.

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: FLFan on December 10, 2010, 10:37:59 AM
Here's another thought on Brooke;

Tar 17 was like a three month audition tape for her. She has a terrific personality and a very favorable edit throughout the season. It may be that talent headhunters came calling. At her age, the amount of money she would receive from winning would certainly be a nice addition o her bank account (probably around $250,000) but certainly not enough to stop working.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Personally I hope she and Claire win, but woujld like to see Nat and Kat too.


I agree.  Whether or not B/C win, Brook has shown herself to be a bubbly, bright personality with a capital "P".  I think there are lots of opportunities out there for her, if she wishes to pursue them.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: connayyy on December 10, 2010, 06:02:29 PM
Hi I'm new here. I've been lurking this season but at the end I finally decided to break down and join up. Private Rogue reporting for duty!

Actually Nat mentioned that Jill and Thomas are a strong team. If anything it's been Brook and Claire who have been on everyone's radar, more so than Nat and Kat.

Well, Nat & Kat were on Chad & Stephanie's radar but I think Brook & Claire were more on other teams' radars than Nat & Kat -- after all, Jill & Thomas U-Turned Brook & Claire and not Nat & Kat!  And I think Jill & Thomas will pay for it in the end.

Belle Book


Hehe, what I was talking about was a different video a couple of legs before that. I believe it was in Russia. At that point, Nat & Kat had gotten a couple of wins in a row which made them appear to be the strongest team. Of course, the race progressed and things changed, now we're down to the F3 and all of them are strong.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TAR new fan on December 10, 2010, 08:35:43 PM
More speculation... I read in another forum that Kat and possibly Nat both went to UCLA for Med school and Kat and possibly Nat also did their residency in LA.

yipeee hometown advantage, I HOPE!!  :cmas9 :cmas9 :cmas9  :cmas23 :cmas23 :cmas23
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: connayyy on December 10, 2010, 09:14:28 PM
More speculation... I read in another forum that Kat and possibly Nat both went to UCLA for Med school and Kat and possibly Nat also did their residency in LA.

yipeee hometown advantage, I HOPE!!  :cmas9 :cmas9 :cmas9  :cmas23 :cmas23 :cmas23

Good point! And Kat is from Santa Monica.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: TAR new fan on December 11, 2010, 03:14:19 PM
I am not judging, but:

if J/T wins the million, Jill says:What would you do if you won the million dollars? I would take my family on vacation, buy a new car, purchase a great collection of handbags and finally invest the rest.
Thomas says: What would you do if you won the million dollars? Put a down payment on a ski house in the Colorado Rockies.

if N/K wins the million,  Kat's response: What would you do if you won the million dollars? If we were to win the million dollars, I would donate money to support challenged athletes and to support the search for a cure for Diabetes. I would pay off my debts from medical school and I would buy a baby blue vintage Bronco with the top chopped off.
Nat says: What would you do if you won the million dollars? Donate to charity, pay off part of my medical school loans and bring some loved ones on a sweet vacation

if B/C/ wins the million, Brook's response: What would you do if you won the million dollars? If we win the million dollars I would send my little sister to college and buy a house in Malibu.
Claire's response: What would you do if you won the million dollars? If I were to win the million dollars I would invest it wisely and make another million.

at least n/k would donate to charity! go Nat & Kat!!!  :cmas9  :cmas9  :cmas9  (B/C's responses aren't bad either but obviously I am a n/k fan!!)  :cmastree  :cmastree  :cmastree
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: SkyWriter9 on December 12, 2010, 06:04:44 AM

if B/C/ wins the million, Brook's response: What would you do if you won the million dollars? If we win the million dollars I would send my little sister to college and buy a house in Malibu.
Claire's response: What would you do if you won the million dollars? If I were to win the million dollars I would invest it wisely and make another million.


Isn't Brook moving to California? This could be because she won the million... or not.  I know that everybody gets at least a little bit of money, the sum depends on what their overall place in the race is.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 12, 2010, 07:36:28 AM

if B/C/ wins the million, Brook's response: What would you do if you won the million dollars? If we win the million dollars I would send my little sister to college and buy a house in Malibu.
Claire's response: What would you do if you won the million dollars? If I were to win the million dollars I would invest it wisely and make another million.


Isn't Brook moving to California? This could be because she won the million... or not.  I know that everybody gets at least a little bit of money, the sum depends on what their overall place in the race is.

Brook could be moving to California because the shopping channel she worked for has gone out of business and she wants to take advantage of the 12 week audition she had on The Amazing Race.  :cmas16
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Rogue on December 12, 2010, 02:22:36 PM
You have those backwards. Nat wants the baby blue Bronco and of course wants to donate to a charity close to her own heart.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: slayton on December 12, 2010, 03:01:43 PM
I think the show's editing has gotten predictable because it's quite obvious that Nat & Kat won.

From what I remember, they're the only final 3 team to get relevant face-time on every episode.  Jill & Thomas and Brooke & Claire were each non-existent for at least one episode.

At every possible opportunity, the editors emphasized Nat & Kat being in jeopardy.  Whether it was the sunglasses selling roadblock, the taxi-driver who wouldn't change direction before the commercial break in Ghana, or getting lost in Oman, it's the same thing that the editors did to Nick & Starr, Tammy & Victor, and Dan & Jordan.

I still remember when they were helping out the school in Ghana, Nat & Kat were one of two or three teams, and the only final 3 team, to talk directly to the camera while they were helping out. 

From the editing, it's a no-brainer that Nat & Kat won.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: furybaby on December 12, 2010, 04:43:30 PM
I think the show's editing has gotten predictable because it's quite obvious that Nat & Kat won.

From what I remember, they're the only final 3 team to get relevant face-time on every episode.  Jill & Thomas and Brooke & Claire were each non-existent for at least one episode.

At every possible opportunity, the editors emphasized Nat & Kat being in jeopardy.  Whether it was the sunglasses selling roadblock, the taxi-driver who wouldn't change direction before the commercial break in Ghana, or getting lost in Oman, it's the same thing that the editors did to Nick & Starr, Tammy & Victor, and Dan & Jordan.

I still remember when they were helping out the school in Ghana, Nat & Kat were one of two or three teams, and the only final 3 team, to talk directly to the camera while they were helping out. 

From the editing, it's a no-brainer that Nat & Kat won.

I fairly disagree, i think the editing for this season was fairly great. I don't think that just because
they had lots of screen time in Ghana nor other episodes mean that they won.
In the promo, Brook and Claire was featured in the entire promo,
so does that mean N/k AND B/C won?
Definietly not reasonable in ur thinking imo
but in 2 hours we will see ^_^

 :idgit
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: mike4lyf on December 12, 2010, 04:49:55 PM
I think the show's editing has gotten predictable because it's quite obvious that Nat & Kat won.

From what I remember, they're the only final 3 team to get relevant face-time on every episode.  Jill & Thomas and Brooke & Claire were each non-existent for at least one episode.

At every possible opportunity, the editors emphasized Nat & Kat being in jeopardy.  Whether it was the sunglasses selling roadblock, the taxi-driver who wouldn't change direction before the commercial break in Ghana, or getting lost in Oman, it's the same thing that the editors did to Nick & Starr, Tammy & Victor, and Dan & Jordan.

I still remember when they were helping out the school in Ghana, Nat & Kat were one of two or three teams, and the only final 3 team, to talk directly to the camera while they were helping out. 

From the editing, it's a no-brainer that Nat & Kat won.

I disagree with that entire statement. I actually think you have it backwards haha.
And if ANYONE got a good edit, it was Brook and Claire, not that Im saying they will win. (Even though I hope so)

IMO- Finish order=

1. Nat and Kat
2. Brook and Claire
3. Jill and Thomas

Wishlist-
1. B/C
2. N/K
3. J/T
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: AmazingRace on December 12, 2010, 04:56:04 PM
My wish-list is as same as yours:  :cmas22

Wishlist:
1. Brook & Claire
2. Nat & Kat
3. Jill & Thomas

Finish Order:
1. Nat & Kat  
2. Brook & Claire  
3. Jill & Thomas
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: slayton on December 12, 2010, 05:07:30 PM
I think the show's editing has gotten predictable because it's quite obvious that Nat & Kat won.

From what I remember, they're the only final 3 team to get relevant face-time on every episode.  Jill & Thomas and Brooke & Claire were each non-existent for at least one episode.

At every possible opportunity, the editors emphasized Nat & Kat being in jeopardy.  Whether it was the sunglasses selling roadblock, the taxi-driver who wouldn't change direction before the commercial break in Ghana, or getting lost in Oman, it's the same thing that the editors did to Nick & Starr, Tammy & Victor, and Dan & Jordan.

I still remember when they were helping out the school in Ghana, Nat & Kat were one of two or three teams, and the only final 3 team, to talk directly to the camera while they were helping out.  

From the editing, it's a no-brainer that Nat & Kat won.

I fairly disagree, i think the editing for this season was fairly great. I don't think that just because
they had lots of screen time in Ghana nor other episodes mean that they won.
In the promo, Brook and Claire was featured in the entire promo,
so does that mean N/k AND B/C won?
Definietly not reasonable in ur thinking imo
but in 2 hours we will see ^_^

 :idgit

I only care about what happens in the show itself.  

I don't care about promos and I don't care about any of the teams this season.  

I am impartial to all of the TAR17 teams, and I am not basing my speculation on emotion or wishful thinking.  I am only basing my analysis on recent trends by the show's editors that I have noticed thanks to pre-show spoilers.

Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: redskevin88 on December 12, 2010, 06:20:20 PM
And the Sechorder [sic] family were screwed in New Orleans... no my friend.

Nat & Kat probably won, because they won the fast-forward... Season 15, Meghan and Cheyne won the fast-forward, they won, Season 16, Dan & Jordan won the fast-forward, they won... so Nat & Kat will also win.
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: Flamant on December 12, 2010, 06:24:35 PM
Nat & Kat probably won, because they won the fast-forward... Season 15, Meghan and Cheyne won the fast-forward, they won, Season 16, Dan & Jordan won the fast-forward, they won... so Nat & Kat will also win.

I think that may just be coincidence. It dosent really mean anything
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: furybaby on December 12, 2010, 06:32:54 PM


I only care about what happens in the show itself.  

I don't care about promos and I don't care about any of the teams this season.  

I am impartial to all of the TAR17 teams, and I am not basing my speculation on emotion or wishful thinking.  I am only basing my analysis on recent trends by the show's editors that I have noticed thanks to pre-show spoilers.


Either way, I disagree with ur opinion on editing
this season, in my case, they have shown the final
three competitors as MUCH as Nat and Kat  :cmas0
Title: Re: TAR 17 Speculation
Post by: slayton on December 12, 2010, 09:35:27 PM
It's not just about how much camera time a team gets.

This is what I posted on October 13 after only watching the first 3 episodes:
From the spoilers and watching the first three episodes, I would expect Nat & Kat to win the race.

Nat & Kat have gotten a lot of camera time, and they've been persistently portrayed for the past 2 episodes as a team that's in jeopardy of being eliminated, despite not doing anything particularly notable in either episode to warrant camera time.  The editors had a similar edit in TAR16.

I definitely take notice when a team gets a lot of camera time despite not doing anything distinctive.

In TAR14, the editors gave Tammy & Victor a lot of camera time and portrayed them as being in jeopardy of being eliminated, and played up their sibling squabbling, whenever possible.  The only difference between Tammy & Victor and TAR16 and TAR17, is that Tammy & Victor did actually do stuff to warrant camera time, whether it was something like getting lost in Romania or ditching Margie & Luke and Jaime & Cara in Russia.

If it was obvious to me 2 months ago that Nat & Kat would win after watching just the first 3 episodes, and also having spoiler knowledge, then I believe that the editing has definitely gotten predictable.