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Title: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Mister RC on November 28, 2009, 03:05:38 PM
With Jordan and Jeff becoming the third team representing a different CBS reality show, I think I saw a lot of people jump aboard the AR bandwagon.  They have a lot of fans, including people that actually have yet to watch a season of TAR (or just have watched one season of TAR, excluding TAR15).

Given the news that spread fast with Maria & Tiffany (prior to the official release), added to Jordan & Jeff's popularity, I imagine that news about their appearance on TAR16 will be hitting the media real soon.  Add that to the fact that it's rather busy around the start point right around the time of this post.

That and all the other TAR16-related articles and the like go here.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 28, 2009, 03:07:19 PM
It will bring in people and thats what TAR will want to steal some BB Fans for a while. I can already see the effects!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on November 28, 2009, 05:18:43 PM
It will bring in people and thats what TAR will want to steal some BB Fans for a while. I can already see the effects!

Absolutely and that's what they're banking on, seriously.

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on November 28, 2009, 05:31:36 PM
Anything off topic will be dumped here.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: River on November 28, 2009, 06:26:35 PM
Can we actually speculate here?
 :lol:
I am just speculating they'll stay inside the city the whole leg.

Does this look familiar? Season 7 was my first impression, but it's not...Both the beach and castle are in Vina Del Mar, the beach looks very similar to the one in Season 7.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on November 28, 2009, 08:11:02 PM
It will bring in people and thats what TAR will want to steal some BB Fans for a while. I can already see the effects!

TAR and BB air at different times of year, though. CBS just wants to facilitate the diffusion of BB viewership and add it to TAR (their only strong show on Sundays)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: mjriches2005 on November 28, 2009, 08:21:01 PM

I see a visit to Buenos Aires and two legs in Australia too. They could easily swing into Indonesia from Australia... :duno:


I highly doubt it that they'll go to Australia.

I'm just gearing into the Philippines because of the Christmas spirit that envelopes most of the towns, something incomparable to any place in the world (believe me...) and for a new country, Laos.

I agree with the Argentina visit, but I really think after that, they will probally visit Africa.  Africa has been absent since Season12 and its long overdue for visit, especially South Africa.  I still hoping for 3-4 new countries this coming season.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Dånooky on November 28, 2009, 08:21:02 PM
Wow, have the teams even landed in Chile already?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kittygoesmeow on November 28, 2009, 08:22:16 PM
Wow, have the teams even landed in Chile already?

Nope.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: mjriches2005 on November 28, 2009, 08:22:47 PM
Wow, have the teams even landed in Chile already?

I don't know, look up the flight # and check it out, last I heard it was over near the Mexican Yucatan.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Dånooky on November 28, 2009, 08:23:29 PM
Wow, have the teams even landed in Chile already?

Nope.
then the current race course so far has been 100% spoiled :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on November 28, 2009, 08:24:17 PM
Wow, have the teams even landed in Chile already?

They land tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on November 28, 2009, 08:26:23 PM
no wishlists!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on November 28, 2009, 08:38:16 PM


Nvm. :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on November 28, 2009, 08:39:17 PM

I feel that a huge part of Europe or the entire Europe will be forsaken this season.

Well, lately TAR's been spending a lot of time in Asia/Europe. I do think the producers really should forgo these continents this season (unless of course there's new countries) in favor of Africa/Australia.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 28, 2009, 09:07:17 PM
knock it off!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Dånooky on November 28, 2009, 09:17:07 PM
knock it off
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 28, 2009, 09:40:23 PM
Speculation...actual speculation...that's the ticket. Wishlists go elsewhere please.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on November 28, 2009, 09:42:24 PM
Scotland to Adelaide was a bit much I did think. Oh well we can hope!

43+ hours flight time from Scotland to Adelaide with the anticipation of several stops, long freaking flight!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 28, 2009, 09:42:45 PM
But I do speculate a

NA-SA-OC-AS-AF-E-NA race course

Sorry about the 'wishlist'
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Dånooky on November 28, 2009, 09:46:45 PM
Too early to tell...but could a Southern-Hemisphere-only season be a possibility?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Jobby on November 28, 2009, 09:51:41 PM
Too early to tell...but could a Southern-Hemisphere-only season be a possibility?

Just a week ago somebody wanted that to happen... :funny:

Don't think so.. I still think TAR without India is not TAR. :funny:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: michael on November 28, 2009, 09:55:12 PM
I hope the race course is more interesting than TAR15's.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on November 28, 2009, 09:59:09 PM
Too early to tell...but could a Southern-Hemisphere-only season be a possibility?

Just a week ago somebody wanted that to happen... :funny:

Don't think so.. I still think TAR without India is not TAR. :funny:

That was me! :lol:

If not a full southern hemisphere season, at least most of the race in the Southern Hemisphere would be great! Antarctica anybody?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on November 28, 2009, 10:08:17 PM
If I see one more wishlist anywhere but the wishlists/destination threads that person will be banned! Cripes already!

pick one, anyone please!


http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/board,72.0.html
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Dånooky on November 28, 2009, 10:09:39 PM
If I see one more wishlist anywhere but the wishlists/destination threads that person will be banned! Cripes already!

pick one, anyone please!


http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/board,72.0.html
Just for a refresher, what's the border between destination spec and wishlist?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on November 28, 2009, 10:43:32 PM
Speculation: Where you think the Race will go this season.
Wishlist: Where you would wish the Race would go this season.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Moo on November 28, 2009, 10:54:02 PM
If I see one more wishlist anywhere but the wishlists/destination threads that person will be banned! Cripes already!

pick one, anyone please!


http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/board,72.0.html
Just for a refresher, what's the border between destination spec and wishlist?

Yeah, I think a speculation and a wishlist is almost the same as one, can the admins expound on what we can write or not so that we won't see our messages suddenly deleted or "knocked off?"
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: topaz on November 28, 2009, 10:55:17 PM
Speculation: Where you think the Race will go this season.
Wishlist: Where you would wish the Race would go this season.
I'll answer to your question, Caelestor.

1st confirm report: Santiago, Chile.

Speculation: I'm guessing it'll be 5 continents namely: South America, Oceania, Asia, Europe and North America (from south to westward w/c similar to TAR 13).

Wishlists: I hope they should go to Easter Island, Vanuatu, Australia, Philippines, Nepal, Qatar, Bahrain, Belgium, Luxembourg, Ireland and Canada after Chile.

note: I'd made a bold letter in the Phils. because I live there and hopefully they'll revisit there for this season. :waves:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 28, 2009, 10:59:58 PM
We are talking about TAR 16 here...what is possible, observed, spoiled, practical.

If it is something you just dream up and think would be nice, or pull out of thin air...That is fantasy and belongs in the wish threads. :angel:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Moo on November 28, 2009, 11:01:39 PM
SPEC: Could they actually come up a race route consisting of South America, Oceania, Asia and North America only, like circling the Pacific?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on November 28, 2009, 11:02:51 PM
If I see one more wishlist anywhere but the wishlists/destination threads that person will be banned! Cripes already!

pick one, anyone please!


http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/board,72.0.html
Just for a refresher, what's the border between destination spec and wishlist?

Yeah, I think a speculation and a wish-list is almost the same as one, can the admins expound on what we can write or not so that we won't see our messages suddenly deleted or "knocked off?"
Most of you have been here long enough to know that we loathe wish-lists in the spoiler threads. Like I wrote, there are plenty of wish-lists/destination topics already in the discussion thread. This topic is to speculate on the sightings not fantasy game wish-lists okay?  for example "I hope they come to Philippines!!!" o_O
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 28, 2009, 11:05:09 PM
Keep it about TAR 16...maybe it will help to think of this as speculation on the spoilers?? Not general all over the map ramblings.

Like poor tired peach is doing right now. :lol3:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: TARAsia Fan on November 28, 2009, 11:59:05 PM
If I see one more wishlist anywhere but the wishlists/destination threads that person will be banned! Cripes already!

pick one, anyone please!


http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/board,72.0.html
Don't make my cupcake crazy. She's been all over the internet tonight trying to confirm rumors, innuendo and false reports. Puddin is practically pulling her hair out. Follow her instructions! :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2009, 12:10:01 AM

Don't make my cupcake crazy. She's been all over the internet tonight trying to confirm rumors, innuendo and false reports. Puddin is practically pulling her hair out. Follow her instructions! :lol:
  :lol: You know me so well Ken, yeah I'm a little cranky ..and hungry

:carryon:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: TARAsia Fan on November 29, 2009, 12:14:06 AM
I know. I've been following you on Twitter today. It's been tough.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Dånooky on November 29, 2009, 12:14:18 AM
So, is there any room to speculate while we know where the teams are exactly right now?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on November 29, 2009, 12:36:37 AM
So, is there any room to speculate while we know where the teams are exactly right now?

Not much specifically, only the general nature of the route (and perhaps maybe a potential meat-eating roadblock).
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on November 29, 2009, 09:30:12 AM
So, is there any room to speculate while we know where the teams are exactly right now?

Not much specifically, only the general nature of the route (and perhaps maybe a potential meat-eating roadblock).

Yup, nothing specific  but timewise if what our wonderful sleuthers here gathered was right, the teams should be getting close to Chile right now, I'd say within 45 minutes of landing in Santiago.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on November 29, 2009, 09:42:28 AM
They have already landed..........about 2+ hours ago........
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on November 29, 2009, 09:49:29 AM
They have already landed..........about 2+ hours ago........

Oh yeah, time difference, duh. What time is it in Chile, lol?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on November 29, 2009, 10:03:40 AM
They should be getting really close to the castle in Vina de Mar.........I have looked for a webcam for that area, but cant find one.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on November 29, 2009, 10:28:08 AM
They should be getting really close to the castle in Vina de Mar.........I have looked for a webcam for that area, but cant find one.

Here's one for streaming video traffic cams at Vina Del Mar:

http://www.vinadelmar.cl/index.php#camaras

Although I can't get it to load for the life of me.

But this link worked:

http://200.72.68.149:18000/wg_multiview.ml
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on November 29, 2009, 11:03:52 AM
They should be getting really close to the castle in Vina de Mar.........I have looked for a webcam for that area, but cant find one.

Here's one for streaming video traffic cams at Vina Del Mar:

http://www.vinadelmar.cl/index.php#camaras

Although I can't get it to load for the life of me.

But this link worked:

http://200.72.68.149:18000/wg_multiview.ml

Thank you for the link, but I had already looked at all of them and none are at the correct location.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on November 29, 2009, 11:06:09 AM
They should be getting really close to the castle in Vina de Mar.........I have looked for a webcam for that area, but cant find one.

Here's one for streaming video traffic cams at Vina Del Mar:

http://www.vinadelmar.cl/index.php#camaras

Although I can't get it to load for the life of me.

But this link worked:

http://200.72.68.149:18000/wg_multiview.ml

Thank you for the link, but I had already looked at all of them and none are at the correct location.

No problem.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2009, 11:34:45 AM
Big thanks YY!! great find!! While I am not sure we can tell much from drive bys, camera 9 ave espana con ave marina is nearly to Castillo Wulff, so yes please, ya'all keep an eye out!

http://www.vinadelmar.cl/index.php

google map link:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Bus+Terminal,+Valparaiso&daddr=wulff+castle+Valparaiso+Chile&hl=en&geocode=FYC-B_4dIV-7-yH71hS3D5l9Qw%3B&mra=ls&sll=-33.033251,-71.447877&sspn=0.231701,0.527&ie=UTF8&ll=-33.028563,-71.573911&spn=0.028964,0.065875&z=15

As far as timing...teams on the Miami flight should be arr Santiago any time now, if teams slipped past us in Dallas (which I doubt) they should be on the ground now.

They then have to take a bus to Valparaiso, which is I think is about 80km (??) away...so allow maybe a couple of hours++ to get thru customs, catch a bus, drive there ?? Of course we don't know if this is a pull a tag and wait kind of bus either.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: michael on November 29, 2009, 11:42:26 AM
I've been searching blogs and twitter all morning and can't find a thing!  :'(
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2009, 11:55:48 AM
I've been searching blogs and twitter all morning and can't find a thing!  :'(

That's because they have been in the air!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: theschnauzers on November 29, 2009, 11:57:39 AM
Someone mentioned the World Clock site for world time conversions last night, and I've had it as a bookmark since about 2001:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Santiago is currently 2 hours ahead of the eastern stand time in the US and Canada. They are currently om Daylight Savings Time in Chile, which accounts for one hour of the difference right there. For the Racers, though the change is five hours ahead of Los Angeles, or the same difference between the eastern time zone and Greenwhich time or UTC.

That site lists a number of major world cities, but it is possible to check intermediate locations as well.

A second source is our old weather history standby, Weather Underground (http://www.wunderground.com/). It will tell you the current time for any airport location, and any location that is covered by a weather forecast from a country's weather service. It also has astronomical information about sunrise/sunset times, etc.

Valparaiso weather information is based on the Santiago airport, and its sunny with scattered clouds today with a forecast high of 75F and a low of 53F tonight. Sunset is at 8"30 pm local time, so there should be plenty of time for a task or two before sunset tonight.  (Page link for the Valparaiso information (http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=Valparaiso,%20Chile&wuSelect=WEATHER)

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 29, 2009, 12:26:34 PM
So when do they land? or when did they land?  :tup:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2009, 12:28:38 PM
Perhaps you can check in the first destination thread...al that info is there. :tup:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Seattlite on November 29, 2009, 12:41:45 PM
I don't think they will stay in the southern hemisphere since they like to go hot (Africa ) and cold (Alaska ) to add to the drama. Since Toronto was fake, Whistler still seems possible.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: fijibeachbum on November 29, 2009, 04:34:48 PM
Newbie here, just fascinated with the sleuthing end.
After checking many tourist ideas, seems that one of the really interesting things besides Wulff Castle is Fonck Museum of Archeology and Natural History. They can see the Easter Island Muai, the only Muai on South America's mainland. Since it's full of fossils and one of a kind relics (two headed goat was mentioned by one traveler), I could see them having the racers look for something titled in Spanish, where they will then get their next clue. Also, I believe the museum is closed on Mondays, so production may have planned it that way to eliminate other interference? Do they do that?
I hope this is OK to post here. I am not wishing them to go here, just seems plausible with the seemingly limited amount of task things to do here.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2009, 05:24:36 PM
:welcome: fijibeachbum!! Glad you found us, this is the perfect place for that, good idea!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2009, 05:53:46 PM
okay so password has finally crossed the line :boot:

Members from IP (range) xxxxxxxxx
IP address Display name
xxxxxxxxxx password, butyr1952
 
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: michael on November 29, 2009, 05:55:44 PM
okay so password has finally crossed the line :boot:

Members from IP (range) xxxxxxxxx
IP address Display name
xxxxxxxxxx password, butyr1952
 


 :jumpy:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kittygoesmeow on November 29, 2009, 05:56:10 PM
okay so password has finally crossed the line :boot:

Members from IP (range) xxxxxxxxx
IP address Display name
xxxxxxxxxx password, butyr1952
 


Hahahahahaha...that's great. Some people are just weird!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RealityFreakWill on November 29, 2009, 05:56:23 PM
With Jordan/Jeff on TAR we can expect a lot of fake spoilers I would say.  :meow:

My thoughts exactly. I knew as soon word got out that the J's are racing, we and probably everywhere else would be bombarded with newbies and fake info.

Puddin and Peach are probably having migranes dealing with all of this.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2009, 05:57:53 PM
Actually I think its funny Will, booting password was my pleasure, ahhhhhh now that my friend felt good  :wohoo:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2009, 05:59:08 PM
Yesterday was a martini and advil kind of day. :lol3:

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RealityFreakWill on November 29, 2009, 06:01:38 PM
Actually I think its funny Will, booting password was my pleasure, ahhhhhh now that my friend felt good  :wohoo:


:tup: I bet that felt good. Good riddance.....
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: north09 on November 29, 2009, 06:03:13 PM
Yesterday was a martini and advil kind of day. :lol3:



Did someone say Martini?  :martini:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kittygoesmeow on November 29, 2009, 06:06:04 PM
Yesterday was a martini and advil kind of day. :lol3:



Did someone say Martini?  :martini:

Ugh, send one my way please!! :)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: walkingpneumonia on November 29, 2009, 06:09:55 PM
okay so password has finally crossed the line :boot:

Members from IP (range) xxxxxxxxx
IP address Display name
xxxxxxxxxx password, butyr1952
 


 :wohoo:
Was he from Toronto?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on November 29, 2009, 06:11:58 PM
From Twitter

amazingrace34    ¡Vi la natación de Jordania en la raza asombrosa! .

Which means I saw Jordan swimming on the Amazing Race.

Dude that's the same person as fanoftv1123...

Hi guys my first post!

I live in Vina Del Mar Jeff and Jordan were the last team to arrive at the castle.

And there was a roadblock swimming task were Jordan was the one who did it for her team.

I live at the North Pole and Santa Claus is taking your name off his list as we speak. Not nice to post fake shyte like this.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on November 29, 2009, 06:14:45 PM
With Jordan/Jeff on TAR we can expect a lot of fake spoilers I would say.  :meow:

My thoughts exactly. I knew as soon word got out that the J's are racing, we and probably everywhere else would be bombarded with newbies and fake info.

Puddin and Peach are probably having migranes dealing with all of this.


I'd suggest Diladud myself, at least they'd be happy while deaing with this.

Good for you for booting that person. That so wasn't cool.

Honestly, I'm not taking anything as true unless it's a very broadstrokes tweet like the JeJo one just posted, about directions or actual pictures are sent.

And seriously, how do you find the tweets with that info?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: north09 on November 29, 2009, 06:23:11 PM
With Jordan/Jeff on TAR we can expect a lot of fake spoilers I would say.  :meow:

My thoughts exactly. I knew as soon word got out that the J's are racing, we and probably everywhere else would be bombarded with newbies and fake info.

Puddin and Peach are probably having migranes dealing with all of this.


I'd suggest Diladud myself, at least they'd be happy while deaing with this.

Good for you for booting that person. That so wasn't cool.

Honestly, I'm not taking anything as true unless it's a very broadstrokes tweet like the JeJo one just posted, about directions or actual pictures are sent.

And seriously, how do you find the tweets with that info?

You have to search twitter with the keyword "The Amazing Race". Thats how I do it anyway. It takes some work sorting through all the useless "watching the amazing race" tweets, but theres always a chance you'll get lucky with something.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2009, 06:30:20 PM
welcome to the forum fijibeachbum  :waves:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Dånooky on November 29, 2009, 06:32:58 PM
From Twitter

amazingrace34    ¡Vi la natación de Jordania en la raza asombrosa! .

Which means I saw Jordan swimming on the Amazing Race.

Are you retarded? you think the same person who "saw" the teams at LAX yesterday now is in Chile and saw Jordan swimming?  :lol:
If you are going to send out fake spoilers at least make it believable.
:funny: :funny:
Come on...that translation wasn't even close :funny:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kittygoesmeow on November 29, 2009, 06:46:22 PM
Come on...that translation wasn't even close :funny:

It is if you use an online translation site :D
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2009, 06:47:44 PM
I expect more fake spoilers/tweets from password and yeah he tracks back to Canada ;)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: TARAsia Fan on November 29, 2009, 07:01:51 PM
Thank you for booting him, puddin. It was getting extremely annoying.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: :jerry: on November 29, 2009, 07:35:08 PM
Wow, password makes me somehow ashamed to be Canadian :(  :-[
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2009, 07:44:55 PM
 okay enough about password, thanks!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Moo on November 29, 2009, 07:47:49 PM
With Jordan/Jeff on TAR we can expect a lot of fake spoilers I would say.  :meow:

Tad info: Jordan and Jeff may be popular in the US and South America,

BUT... remember that Asian/Australian/African and most prob European countries have never heard/known them, because of BB's around the world or local editions... Unlike Survivor, which was marketed to the whole world.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: mungobuh on November 29, 2009, 09:45:46 PM
shloky: amazing race didnt see twins or asians. theyre going to chile by way of dwf or dulles or stl. gate is stacked

I heard that the intial flight plan on the 1st leg of TAR5 connected through STL but that connection was edited out for obvious reasons. One day, I hope we'll read about racers actually being spotted there in St. Louis because it was start or end city  ;D
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kittygoesmeow on November 29, 2009, 10:09:41 PM
You have got to be kidding me.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: michael on November 29, 2009, 10:10:48 PM
 :lol: :lol:

OMG, how epic!
I hope there's a question/answer road block!!!!

everywhere like...and such as.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 29, 2009, 10:12:16 PM
I knew they looked like Models. Meh, they might be fun, she's a retard (sorry Caitlin) but that answer sucked.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on November 29, 2009, 10:15:39 PM
Really?  :funny: :funny:

At least the episode titles and other confessionals have great potential with them.  :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kristin626 on November 29, 2009, 10:16:20 PM
Oh wow.  Good find, but I am going to definitely fast forward through their confessionals, I feel it already, haha.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Heliox on November 29, 2009, 11:56:11 PM
Fantastic work all!
Chateau you are unreal with your sleuthing!

Hearing Jordan and Jeff are racing I think will be a good thing for TAR. They had a ton of supporters and they may bring the all important new viewers to the show. And I think I will enjoy seeing them again.

But I wonder how long they will be able to survive the mental challenges in the race. Jordan and Caitlin in the same race could prove to be very very amusing.

Really like the mix of racers. That is part of what makes TAR so great.
Dieing to hear more about the racers.
My wish for this race? To have the F/F or elder couple take home the prize.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2009, 11:59:37 PM
I thought the same thing Heliox!! I expect Jordan and Caitlin to be either BFF or mortal enemies by the end of ep 1, lol.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Moo on November 30, 2009, 12:33:11 AM
OMG! TAR16 LOOKS SO FUN RIGHT NOW!

I hope Caitlin gets to do a teaching roadblock. LOL!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on November 30, 2009, 01:10:30 AM
I can't recall too many of the legs spent in Chile over past seasons, but does anyone remember any tasks that may be Switchback-able in this country?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on November 30, 2009, 01:46:14 AM
i don't think any in Chile really stood out

but IF they do go back to Argentina again, maybe they'll not only relive the Season 7 Roadblock, but also the self-driving epicness!  :hearts:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: diRkdARyL on November 30, 2009, 03:06:30 AM
from wikipedia..
TAR Latin America

Leg 4 (Argentina → Chile)

    * Santiago, Chile (Baquedano Metro Station - Bibliometro Bookstore (Spanish))
    * Santiago (Baquedano Metro Station) to (Pajaritos Metro Station)
    * Santiago (Pajaritos Bus Station) to Valparaíso (Terminal Rodoviario de Valparaíso)
    * Valparaíso (Paseo Atkinson)
    * Valparaíso (Muelle Prat)
    * Valparaíso (Muelle Barón)
    * Valparaíso (Caleta Portales)
    * Valparaíso (Terminal Rodoviario de Valparaíso) to Santiago (Pajaritos Bus Station)
    * Santiago (Palacio de la Moneda)


Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Jobby on November 30, 2009, 09:53:53 AM
YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.

I SAW THAT VIDEO WEEKS AGO AND THE FIRST THOUGHT THAT WENT TO MY MIND WAS -
"GET HER ON THE AMAZING RACE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE SOUTH AFRICA, IRAQ AND AMERICA IS"

 :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny:

OMG, this is EPIC.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Jobby on November 30, 2009, 10:01:38 AM
I give up on the twitter search.

99.9% of the tweet contains the words - Jeff and Jordan - in it. :res:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: fijibeachbum on November 30, 2009, 11:03:02 AM
They may be traveling through to somewhere else, unless they have something to do here.
If there is a task in Rancagua, here is some background city information...
According to Wikipedia -

Rancagua is a city in central Chile, located 87 km south of Santiago. It is the capital of the Cachapoal Province and of the O'Higgins Region. It has a population of 206,971 (2002 census). The main economic activities range from mining activity, tourism, agriculture, wood industry, food production and services to minor industrial activities. The city also serves as the administrative and legal center of the region.

Rancagua was founded by José Antonio Manso de Velasco, who founded several cities in the central area of Chile. The city's original name was Villa Santa Cruz de Triana.

The city is famous in Chilean history as the scene of the Disaster of Rancagua of 1814, when Chilean forces fighting for independence from Spain were defeated, marking the beginning of the period known as the Reconquista (an attempt by Spain to regain control of Chile).

In recent years the city has become one of the most attractive cultural and tourist centers in the O'Higgins Region mainly due to the vineyards in the area. There are also some archeological sites, sport centers and easy access to smaller and more typical villages and towns.

The city connects with Santiago via the Panamerican Highway (Ruta 5 Sur). The Metrotren connects the metro service in Santiago to Rancagua by train.

Rancagua is home of the University of Rancagua, the first private university to be established in the O'Higgins Region.

Rancagua is also known for the "Largest Underground Copper Mine in the World" called El Teniente, located about 40 km to the east of the city in the Andes mountain range. El Teniente is a division of the state-owned mining enterprise, Codelco.

The city's Braden Copper Stadium was one of the four venues of the 1962 football (soccer) World Cup. Nowadays, it houses the O'Higgins professional soccer club, one of the leading teams in Chilean professional soccer. In this city every year takes place the National Championship of Chilean rodeo in the Medialuna Monumental de Rancagua


Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ayer on November 30, 2009, 11:47:04 AM
Jordan and Jeff are 9 years apart as well. 22 and 31.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: 2old4tech on November 30, 2009, 12:15:15 PM
Quote
We'd love it if you want to try!!
"Brent, I found this in the bookstore right here at LAX!  Do you think it will have anything we can use on the race, such as maps?  Personally, and this goes for me, too, I think we, as Americans, should put our best faces forward as we race around the world, and having maps is something that good Americans, such as us, do."
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d57/b_gardenia/celebs/lauren_caitlin.jpg)


eta: Last one in this thread. I promise.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: janedans on November 30, 2009, 12:24:26 PM
I am one of the BB11 fans and Jeff and Jordan are the most entertaining couple in Reality TV in years.  In addition to winning everything on BB11 ($525,000 between them), they were named the Reality TV Couple of the Year recently.   In case you don't know them, go on YOUTUBE and look at their videos and tributes.  They are really a couple in a serious relationship.  Some people say they are dumb, especially Jordan.  Believe me, they are not.  Maybe unsophisticated and naive, but not dumb.  I think you will enjoy them and their give and take, and if they let them be themselves, they will go a long way.  They are nice people.  You'll see.  I am going to follow them along with you, as will their thousand of fans.
Right on...they have large prayer chain too.  they're the kind you can watch over and over.  They brought me laughs, love and memories.  :flirt:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kimj on November 30, 2009, 12:35:14 PM
jordan is 23 and jeff is 31
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2009, 01:55:52 PM
Quote
We'd love it if you want to try!!
"Brent, I found this in the bookstore right here at LAX!  Do you think it will have anything we can use on the race, such as maps?  Personally, and this goes for me, too, I think we, as Americans, should put our best faces forward as we race around the world, and having maps is something that good Americans, such as us, do."
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d57/b_gardenia/celebs/lauren_caitlin.jpg)

eta: Last one in this thread. I promise.

 :funny: :funny: :funny: :funny:

We will be having the best photochop thread EVER, I think!!

Back to our regularly scheduled Contestannt spoiling now....
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Mazey35 on November 30, 2009, 02:26:18 PM
Hi J&J fans :waves:
Thanks for any updates on Jeff and jordan BB11,on Amazing Race16 right now.
Today is Nov.30,09. Is there anything new to report? I guess not,dont see anything yet.

Iam a jeff&jordan fan,and Amazing Race as well. For me, this combo, couldnt be any better!
Will continue to monitor this site, for anything new!
thanks. :jumpy:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on November 30, 2009, 02:53:15 PM


Thanks. I hope it helps. I know there are people that tweeted him to see what the teams looked like but no response as of yet.  Would you think that this would mean they are on their second leg since this was earlier this morning?

Would think so!  :tup:

I'm actually surprised we're not seeing pictures. If people are tweeting from their phones, that is, I know if I were them I'd be trying to get a quick picture too.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: north09 on November 30, 2009, 02:55:15 PM
I wonder if she'll be able to locate LAX on a map
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ZBC Company on November 30, 2009, 03:02:30 PM
I could find one for this too
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kittygoesmeow on November 30, 2009, 03:13:23 PM
I'm sure a lot of jokes will be rolling in sooner or later...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on November 30, 2009, 03:51:07 PM
I can't recall too many of the legs spent in Chile over past seasons, but does anyone remember any tasks that may be Switchback-able in this country?

You bet. The Fish Whisperer ROADBLOCK in Metri (suburb of Puerto Montt) in AR11 All-Stars was a good one. Teams obviously have to go south from the greater Santiago area to reach Puerto Montt. I don't expect teams to get to Isla Redonda again in AR16, but if they do the find-a-letter ROADBLOCK in the southermost post office was a classic.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: 2old4tech on November 30, 2009, 03:52:16 PM
^^ Sooner rather than later.

As Caitlin reminds us, "Beauty Queens do it without a clue."


Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Mazey35 on November 30, 2009, 04:33:09 PM
[/c :ascared
olor]Is there any new updates of anything,this is monday.11-30-09???
Anyone hear anything yet? There must be alot of people out there,in other countries, or even our country ,connected to the amazing race?
#16 should be in the 2nd destination by now,for sure?

Hope J&J are still hanging in!!!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: chill_sd on November 30, 2009, 04:36:22 PM
]Is there any new updates of anything,this is monday.11-30-09???
Anyone hear anything yet? There must be alot of people out there,in other countries, or even our country ,connected to the amazing race?
#16 should be in the 2nd destination by now,for sure?

Hope J&J are still hanging in!!!

There doesn't seem to be too much more on the contestants.  Check the other thread for a recent tweet about the bus station.  The second leg is probably in Chile.  (This has happened with other South American starts, if I'm not mistaken.)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2009, 04:48:08 PM
A place to expand on the tweet leads!





saved for puddin

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2009, 04:48:25 PM
saved for puddin
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: password on November 30, 2009, 04:56:02 PM
is there any way i can get my ip address unblocked plz?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on November 30, 2009, 05:12:16 PM
I'm wondering if one of the mompreneurs (the first one in the pick, the longer and culier hair) is Gina Stern? I need someone who can confirm the faces for me. Pictures soon (no hotlinking!), once someone has confirmed/declined.


Who the hell is Gina Stern?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: :jerry: on November 30, 2009, 07:39:42 PM
Hey fellow RFFers! Jerry here,

Since TAR16 is just starting up, I would like a make a global tracking device. Here's the details:

First of all, I would like you guys to sign up, by PM me your whereabouts in the world. That helps us know who to look for in different situations.

Second of all, I would like you guys to report on whereabouts the race is spotted. REAL INFO ONLY.

Lastly, all that info will be concentrated into a map labeling RFFers' whereabouts and spottings around the world that will be updated time to time.

This will help us find just the right person to keep an eye on things at the right time.

Also, if there is any graphic software or image/map preferences, please don't hesitate to tell me! If you have any questions, please contact me ASAP.

This DOES NOT take up anytime daily so why not join? You will be notified when your attention is needed.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: graytex on November 30, 2009, 08:45:41 PM
I would love for them to go to Brazil and do a Switchback of the dog walking from Season 5.  IIRC, that killed the last Big Brother contestant on the race.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2009, 08:59:54 PM
YY you have a message in your messages, please read.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on November 30, 2009, 09:09:41 PM
YY you have a message in your messages, please read.

Done, and done. Ten-four. :D
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2009, 09:11:04 PM
I would love for them to go to Brazil and do a Switchback of the dog walking from Season 5.  IIRC, that killed the last Big Brother contestant on the race.
omg  :lol: :lol: :lol:  :yess:  :yess:
BEST laugh I had all day! Thanks graytex!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on November 30, 2009, 09:22:14 PM
I would love for them to go to Brazil and do a Switchback of the dog walking from Season 5.  IIRC, that killed the last Big Brother contestant on the race.

graytex, that was an OK task, but:
1. it was a DETOUR Perro or Tango and
2. It was in Buenos Aires where dog walking is a common event, not anywhere in Brazil

ROADBLOCKS in Brazil, which I don't think are close to the standard for Switchbacks, were:

AR13, ep. 2 - In Caucaia, one team member must find the name of their next destination on an advertisement painted on the wall of the park.

AR9, ep. 2 - In Sao Paulo,  teams had to climb one of three stairwells 400 feet (120 m) on a fire escape of the Edificio Copan. Once on the top, their arrival order deteremines when they get to put on a harness and rappel down the building.

AR2, ep. 2 - In Foz do Iguacu, Parque Nacional do Iguaçu leaving from Macuco Safari Dock, take speedboat into Iguaçu Falls and spot the flag at the top.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on November 30, 2009, 09:37:51 PM
I would love for them to go to Brazil and do a Switchback of the dog walking from Season 5.  IIRC, that killed the last Big Brother contestant on the race.

I'd love for a tweet from someone who said they helped a team from The Amazing Race who said they were Gucci for doing so. ;)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ottopilot on November 30, 2009, 09:51:02 PM
I would love for them to go to Brazil and do a Switchback of the dog walking from Season 5.  IIRC, that killed the last Big Brother contestant on the race.

I'd love for a tweet from someone who said they helped a team from The Amazing Race who said they were Gucci for doing so. ;)


 :tup: LOL that would be pretty fun!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on November 30, 2009, 10:12:56 PM
I would love for them to go to Brazil and do a Switchback of the dog walking from Season 5.  IIRC, that killed the last Big Brother contestant on the race.

graytex, that was an OK task, but:
1. it was a DETOUR Perro or Tango and
2. It was in Buenos Aires where dog walking is a common event, not anywhere in Brazil

ROADBLOCKS in Brazil, which I don't think are close to the standard for Switchbacks, were:

AR13, ep. 2 - In Caucaia, one team member must find the name of their next destination on an advertisement painted on the wall of the park.

AR9, ep. 2 - In Sao Paulo,  teams had to climb one of three stairwells 400 feet (120 m) on a fire escape of the Edificio Copan. Once on the top, their arrival order deteremines when they get to put on a harness and rappel down the building.

AR2, ep. 2 - In Foz do Iguacu, Parque Nacional do Iguaçu leaving from Macuco Safari Dock, take speedboat into Iguaçu Falls and spot the flag at the top.


hmm? I think that was just an honest mistake!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: TARPortland on November 30, 2009, 10:48:13 PM
Hey guys, long time TAR fan and lurker on RFF! I just thought I would maybe mention that perhaps TAR would go to South Africa (maybe Cape Town) for the World Cup Draw on Friday. World Cup is a HUGE world event that truly connects the world and thats also what TAR tries to accomplish (showing its audience the beauty and diversity of the planet and its peoples!) So perhaps since they haven't been to Africa in many seasons now would be a perfect time to go and also pay homage to a truly global event taking place on the continent for the 1st time ever! I think people should be on the lookout for them towards the end of the week!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2009, 11:00:20 PM
Hmmmm...thank you! You are the second person who has mentioned that to me in the last hour! So warrents a very close look.

:welcome: to RFF!


http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1141594.html#lights+camera+action


Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 01, 2009, 12:56:42 AM
I wonder if she'll be able to locate LAX on a map
:funny:

I hope she produces a moment like Danielle in All-Stars:
"We're on our way to Australia!"
Eric: "We're going to Argentina!"
 :jumpy:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 01, 2009, 12:57:37 AM
As TAR 16 is in Chile, I thought I'd point out that the world's largest swimming pool is in Chile. The pool 1000 meters long, covers 20 acres and is 115 feet deep at one point.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-509718/Try-making-splash-worlds-largest-swimming-pool--1-000-yards-long.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-509718/Try-making-splash-worlds-largest-swimming-pool--1-000-yards-long.html)

http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/worlds-largest-swimming-pool.html (http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/worlds-largest-swimming-pool.html)

It seems like the just the sort of place that would appeal to the Amazing Race producers, although it's too long to make them swim. Maybe a kayaking task or a find the clue among the dozens of buoys task.

However, it's about 250 miles from Viña del Mar to Algarrobo where the pool is located (or 290 miles from Santiago), so I think it's only a possible destination if they do a second leg in Chile.

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 01, 2009, 01:50:38 AM
Our Amazing Race members and detectives know very well the best evidence is photo evidence and if you build it they will come. ;D  :tup:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 01, 2009, 01:52:22 AM
Our Amazing Race members and detectives know very well the best evidence is photo evidence and if you build it they will come. ;D  :tup:

Definitely, hope we can get some more soon!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 01, 2009, 02:19:58 AM
However, it's about 250 miles from Viña del Mar to Algarrobo where the pool is located (or 290 miles from Santiago), so I think it's only a possible destination if they do a second leg in Chile.

Plaidmoon

Unfortunately, in the other direction away from Rancagua... :'(
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Zack. on December 01, 2009, 08:46:04 AM
Hmmmm...thank you! You are the second person who has mentioned that to me in the last hour! So warrents a very close look.

:welcome: to RFF!


http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1141594.html#lights+camera+action




And would TPTB be clever enough (or mean enough) to send Caitlin to South Africa in light of her moment of infamy (because they're probably not going to send her to the Iraq)?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 01, 2009, 09:02:25 AM
Okay, this doesn't make sense though. At 4:34 a.m. on 11/30 the guy said he saw J/J in red shirts. But there was a tweet at 5:06 p.m. on 11/29 from Melzaroo who said he got asked for directions from J/J, and they were wearing baby blue and black.

As we all know, the pit stops are 12 hours long. So let's say J/J were headed to the pit stop when Melzaroo saw them. Let's say that they got there and weren't eliminated. Even if it was shortly after Melzaroo's tweet that wouldn't leave enough time for a 12 hour pit stop before the 4:34 a.m. tweet having them wearing red, as he said in a later tweet.

Something doesn't add up for me.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on December 01, 2009, 09:36:52 AM
Okay, this doesn't make sense though. At 4:34 a.m. on 11/30 the guy said he saw J/J in red shirts. But there was a tweet at 5:06 p.m. on 11/29 from Melzaroo who said he got asked for directions from J/J, and they were wearing baby blue and black.

As we all know, the pit stops are 12 hours long. So let's say J/J were headed to the pit stop when Melzaroo saw them. Let's say that they got there and weren't eliminated. Even if it was shortly after Melzaroo's tweet that wouldn't leave enough time for a 12 hour pit stop before the 4:34 a.m. tweet having them wearing red, as he said in a later tweet.

Something doesn't add up for me.

Welcome to the forum, YY.

Boy do you have a LOT to learn about pitstops.........

 :groan: :groan: :groan: :groan: :groan:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: bigsby on December 01, 2009, 09:47:39 AM
Okay, this doesn't make sense though. At 4:34 a.m. on 11/30 the guy said he saw J/J in red shirts. But there was a tweet at 5:06 p.m. on 11/29 from Melzaroo who said he got asked for directions from J/J, and they were wearing baby blue and black.

As we all know, the pit stops are 12 hours long. So let's say J/J were headed to the pit stop when Melzaroo saw them. Let's say that they got there and weren't eliminated. Even if it was shortly after Melzaroo's tweet that wouldn't leave enough time for a 12 hour pit stop before the 4:34 a.m. tweet having them wearing red, as he said in a later tweet.

Something doesn't add up for me.

This might help. This tweet was around the same time as that one but from someone else:

@LoreLesLadoEn el terminal del turbus unas camaras siguiendo a una pareja onda the amazing race
Translated:
In the terminal Turbus a couple cameras following a wave The Amazing Race

Now that is from a translator so that may not be the complete translation.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2009, 09:59:07 AM
Thanks bigsby, I think we have that already.

And yes, pitstops  can be 12 (+/-), 24H, 36H....

It is possible that our first one was 24 H.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on December 01, 2009, 10:53:54 AM
Hmmmm...thank you! You are the second person who has mentioned that to me in the last hour! So warrents a very close look.

:welcome: to RFF!


http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1141594.html#lights+camera+action




And would TPTB be clever enough (or mean enough) to send Caitlin to South Africa in light of her moment of infamy (because they're probably not going to send her to the Iraq)?

I might be wrong, but I've already assumed that the entire route is finalized before they have the teams. I really can't see the production just making up the route as they go (unless something pop's up and they have to change a location at that time, which I think has happened before). So, I don't see the route being made based on the teams.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Neobie on December 01, 2009, 11:13:45 AM
And would TPTB be clever enough (or mean enough) to send Caitlin to South Africa in light of her moment of infamy (because they're probably not going to send her to the Iraq)?

Good chance they'd hit some "the Asian countries" though!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2009, 11:38:05 AM
Barring last minute complications, redwings is right...Route would be finalized well before contestants.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 01, 2009, 01:33:09 PM
Okay, this doesn't make sense though. At 4:34 a.m. on 11/30 the guy said he saw J/J in red shirts. But there was a tweet at 5:06 p.m. on 11/29 from Melzaroo who said he got asked for directions from J/J, and they were wearing baby blue and black.

As we all know, the pit stops are 12 hours long. So let's say J/J were headed to the pit stop when Melzaroo saw them. Let's say that they got there and weren't eliminated. Even if it was shortly after Melzaroo's tweet that wouldn't leave enough time for a 12 hour pit stop before the 4:34 a.m. tweet having them wearing red, as he said in a later tweet.

Something doesn't add up for me.

People don't always tweet immediately...sometimes it is hours later...so times are not ever reliable unless they say "right now' or "an hour ago"



tweet time, response time doesn't matter...what matters is the time they saw whatever.

You have to ask the right questions!

Oh I know, I was just saying his first tweet about seeing the three lost teams was less than 12 hours after the one that said JJ asked them for directions and that they were wearing blue. Just seemed weird.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Sailing on December 01, 2009, 01:34:12 PM
Catlin Upton has brown hair now,Jordan has blonde hair.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ottopilot on December 01, 2009, 02:18:07 PM
Catlin Upton has brown hair now,Jordan has blonde hair.

Hmmm, her hair looks more blonde to me in the airport pics, but maybe it was Jordan who slapped Brent (are there no other blondes?), isn't it the person who said they saw a guy push a girl who then hit him? So there had to be at least 2 teams there?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ottopilot on December 01, 2009, 02:33:12 PM
This thread is for tweets and sightings ONLY please! Take the discussion to the speculation thread please.... y'all are making me run over here for a discussion of blonde vs brunette?? :lol:

And while I am at it...please READ THE THREAD before you comment. There were no racers slapping anyone.   But I might! :funny:

Sorry I guess Dan said "hits" not slaps...
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Post by: ZBC Company on December 01, 2009, 03:22:05 PM
i think dan could translator that if that okay
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Post by: heyhay28 on December 01, 2009, 03:26:28 PM
Hi.  I've been lurking for a few days and this is my first post.  I just saw this on twitter but it needs to be translated.  This guy's location is Brazil:

_gabrielaugusto: @vsn Você também assiste The Amazing Race?
2 minutes ago from web

If it's in Portuguese it might be

You also attend The Amazing Race?

and it looks like it is directed to someone so maybe they are asking a friend that question
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Post by: Mister RC on December 01, 2009, 03:29:37 PM
From Danielle:


DanielleVarey
  
Entertainment Weekly wants to use my pic of J&J for their next issue! Ahh!!    21 minutes ago   from TweetDeck  


I think I got to get her to next spring's TARcon, because I feel obligated to buy her a drink.  Anyway, so awesome; congrats to her!  I don't know whether it's too soon from EW to do that, but hats off to Danielle for her efforts!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ottopilot on December 01, 2009, 03:31:36 PM
This thread is for tweets and sightings ONLY please! Take the discussion to the speculation thread please.... y'all are making me run over here for a discussion of blonde vs brunette?? :lol:

And while I am at it...please READ THE THREAD before you comment. There were no racers slapping anyone.   But I might! :funny:

Sorry I guess Dan said "hits" not slaps...


That had NOTHING to do with racers! :groan:

You can follow RFF, tory...

And :welcome2: to RFF jmb! And thanks!! But I think that is sonmething about watching the race... ^^ what kitty said~

Again, sorry...I misunderstood.  I thought that the tweets on this thread were about THe Amazing Race and the racers...not random tweets about people on the subway, so I assumed since it was translated and still on here that that is what they were referring to...it all makes sense now...what would we do without you guys to set us straight!  :hearts: Thanks again!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Andr0id75 on December 01, 2009, 03:46:32 PM
hi there!
long time lurker, decided i would help out a bit.. im bored i have nothing else to do!

Found this on twitter, have no idea what it translates to though.

gabrieel_h
Vou ver alguma coisa enquanto baixa Amazing Race  
31 minutes ago from web


can see on his profile he also posted this,

Só o orangotag pra me ajudar a saber qual episódio de #TAR eu devo baixar. miquinlindo    
38 minutes ago   from web  

as well as

Semanas atrás a primeira coisa que eu baixava na segunda era Amazing Race. hoje...nem o da semana passada eu baixei    
41 minutes ago   from web  


and his location is Belo Horizonte, which is in Brazil!


edit: looks like he wants to download TAR episodes :( i doubt this is anything good.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: michael on December 01, 2009, 03:51:40 PM
He's talking about downloading an episode of amazing race lol
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Post by: Neobie on December 01, 2009, 04:46:05 PM
Got stopped by the Amazing Race crew in downtown LA and signed a release form. Wonder if I'm gonna be on it. Look for the dude in a big white SUV that refuses to give a couple of ladies a ride. Hahaha.

No cars to the airport? :o
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Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2009, 04:48:52 PM
We saw them running across the freeway entrance by tweets, Neobie...

Budget cuts?? :lol3:
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Post by: ZBC Company on December 01, 2009, 04:52:24 PM
remver seasonn 6 had take the subway to the airport
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Post by: YY on December 01, 2009, 04:52:50 PM
We saw them running across the freeway entrance by tweets, Neobie...

Budget cuts?? :lol3:

Okay, hilarious thought. We see Lydia screeching to a halt b/c she saw JJ tryign to get a taxi to the airport and gives them a ride instead. ;)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: chill_sd on December 01, 2009, 05:53:48 PM
Got stopped by the Amazing Race crew in downtown LA and signed a release form. Wonder if I'm gonna be on it. Look for the dude in a big white SUV that refuses to give a couple of ladies a ride. Hahaha.

No cars to the airport? :o

But they're not allowed to ride in private cars, either.  Or is that just outside the US?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: River on December 01, 2009, 05:56:02 PM
Got stopped by the Amazing Race crew in downtown LA and signed a release form. Wonder if I'm gonna be on it. Look for the dude in a big white SUV that refuses to give a couple of ladies a ride. Hahaha.

No cars to the airport? :o

But they're not allowed to ride in private cars, either.  Or is just that just outside the US?
This isn't supposed to be discussion, but Nathan and Jen got a penalty in Croatia for hitchhiking.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on December 01, 2009, 06:12:23 PM
On Saturday at 3:03pm, John Joo said:
Got stopped by the Amazing Race crew in downtown LA and signed a release form. Wonder if I'm gonna be on it. Look for the dude in a big white SUV that refuses to give a couple of ladies a ride. Hahaha.

Interesting that they needed a ride in LA? Maybe they didn't drive themselves to LAX.

EDIT: Didn't realize this thought was already in the other thread.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on December 02, 2009, 02:01:29 PM
remver seasonn 6 had take the subway to the airport

zachry busch, it's clear you have never been to Chicago. Anyone there could tell you that the CTA subway to O'Hare is the quicker, easiest and cheapest way to get there, so why take a taxi?

However, the same logic applied to AR15 in Tokyo when in my opinion teams should have taken a high-speed frequent train the 77 miles instead of incurring a $200+ taxi bill. I am going to guess that World Race Productions made the decisions in the first leg instructions for both cases and did not leave it to the discretion of the teams.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Chateau d If on December 02, 2009, 02:50:15 PM
No need to guess.  We know it is so.
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Post by: zipley on December 02, 2009, 05:51:20 PM
Hi, I'm from Brazil, i'm going to translate that...

gabrieel_h
Vou ver alguma coisa enquanto baixa Amazing Race 
31 minutes ago from web


I'm going to see something while it downloads Amazing Race




Só o orangotag pra me ajudar a saber qual episódio de #TAR eu devo baixar. miquinlindo   
38 minutes ago   from web 


Only the orangutan can help me to know which episode of TAR i must download


Semanas atrás a primeira coisa que eu baixava na segunda era Amazing Race. hoje...nem o da semana passada eu baixei   
41 minutes ago   from web 


Weeks ago, the 1st thing i downloaded on Monday was Amazing Race. Today, i didnt't download the last week [I think he refers to the last episode], yet (I think he's talking about the 15th season)

Bye...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 02, 2009, 06:34:42 PM
thanks zipley and welcome to the forum! :hithere:
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Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 02, 2009, 07:26:53 PM
Muito obrigado, zipley! :tup:
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Post by: fijibeachbum on December 02, 2009, 11:44:13 PM
Lots to do in Bariloche if that's where they end up.
The Walk of Nations sounds perfect for the next pitstop.
Facts about Bariloche courtesy of their tourism website...
 
Bariloche: a must, all year long.
For many, Bariloche (say Bah-ree-law-cheh) is synonymous of winter, snow and skiing. But there's more: also known as the "American Switzerland", this city and its surrounding mountains and lakes are unquestionable tourist attractions all year long. Here, we offer you a special report where we cover all the excursions plus the essential info and activities to perform at this incredibly beautiful district in northern Patagonia.

The "queen" of the Andean Lakes District is, undoubtedly, the city of San Carlos de Bariloche. Located on the South margin of Lake Nahuel Huapi, it unfolds its beauty throughout its shore, along one long coastal avenue named Exequiel Bustillo, which extends up to Hotel Llao Llao, approximately 25 km. away from downtown.

A first, mandatory excursion consists of a relaxed stroll across its streets packed with old and charming stone and wood houses where, at each corner, beautiful sights and landscapes abound.
You can begin with a visit to the Cathedral Nuestra Señora del Nahuel Huapi. The building was projected by architect Alexander Bustillo and it was never finished. Nowadays its access is used as a chapel. It has got interesting vitreaux that tie religious subjects with Patagonia. Then, after passing Puerto San Carlos you arrive at the Civic Center. This is the most representative spot in the city. With its Swiss style, arcades and horseshoe shapes facing the lake, was opened in year 1940 by National Parks. Its buildings lodge the City Council, the Tourism Secretariat, the Police, the Patagonia Museum, the Library and the Emilio Frey Venue where cultural events and art exhibitions take place.

At the Council Building there is a Clock Tower that shows, at 12 and 6 PM, a parade of symbolic figures: aborigines, priests, soldiers, and settlers. Afterwards you can walk along Mitre street, the main commercial area of Bariloche. It is very interesting to observe the style of the buildings along its first blocks, trying to maintain the "Bariloche architecture": Stone and wood, arcades, balconies and eaves all around.

When you get to Beschtedt Street, you will see long stairways to your right which you can traverse in order to visit one of the most antique buildings, the Chapel of the Immaculate which has been declared a Historic National Monument. Built in year 1905, its first placement was not here but on Moreno Street. It was moved to its current location, a true lookout point to the city, during year 1973 using rails.

It is also recommended that you visit the Walk of Nations (Paseo de las Colectividades) with its Flags Plaza which gathers all the flags of the different immigration currents that populated Bariloche.

Later, you can take Perito Moreno Street, going back to the Civic Center, where you will see the oldest houses in the city: Casa Marciani, Vivienda Speranza, Edificio Capraro, up to the Council of Nahuel Huapi National Park. Afterwards, a bit to your left on Morales Street the Club Andino Bariloche's building is located. It is a very important social and cultural place also. This walk can be finished walking along Mitre until it becomes San Martin Street in order to get to Worest Casino, featuring an imposing view to the lake.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ob-la-di-ob-la-da on December 03, 2009, 08:34:17 AM
Looking at the pit stop, it suddenly came to me that when a team arrives there, it doesn't look like a wide open space because of cameras shooting both Phil and the teams... LOL!

I thought the same thing!  And when you look at the photo of this team at the mat, if they approached Phil and the mat from head-on, it looks as if they'd have to wind their way around the benches and signs -- not as open as it seems to appear on the show when the racers come sprinting up.  And I asked myself about ALL the crew -- do all of them have to sprint alongside the racers?  Or are they off to the side, and then when a team gets to the mat, the camera and sound crew descend upon them - whoosh!  (I noticed what looks like a still photographer, too).

Also, I'm having trouble aligning the two photos. It looks like they moved the mat -- maybe to catch better sunlight as the day progressed? Check out where the benches are positioned in relation to the mat, and also the silver sign.

Phil looks like he's smiling more than frowning in the photo. Possibly just avoiding elimination? *wishful thinking...*

If we all *wishful think* hard enough, would it make it true?  ;D
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: chill_sd on December 03, 2009, 10:14:35 AM
Also, I'm having trouble aligning the two photos. It looks like they moved the mat -- maybe to catch better sunlight as the day progressed? Check out where the benches are positioned in relation to the mat, and also the silver sign.

I think they line up pretty good.  The bench the greeter is sitting on in the wide shot is seen behind him and Phil in the closer shot.  If you look at the wide shot, the mat shot was taken from the right side.  The mat shot was also taken with a longer lens, so this distorts the perspective some.  (wide shot, 105mm lens; mat shot 135mm lens)

PS - the shots were taken 14 minutes apart only.  Wide shot was at 3:50.  Mat shot was at 4:04.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 03, 2009, 11:06:17 AM
If y'all go back to our spoiler video taken at the final 3 mat in Moscow Season 13, (the one puddin and I sold our souls for) you can see how this works. Production and the lighting guys are lying in wait. :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 03, 2009, 08:33:19 PM
There was something Amazing Race like being filmed in Buenos Aires (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69328013@N00/4155707947/in/set-72157622902830744/) FYI on Nov 29th.

Maybe the Peking express?

or maybe not (http://picasaweb.google.com/dannyjwarner/ChileNovember7thTo22nd2009#5409668235701529026) :D
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ZBC Company on December 03, 2009, 08:44:07 PM
this les a start line this could be amazing race pudin
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Post by: puddin on December 03, 2009, 08:46:14 PM
this les a start line this could be amazing race pudin
whats a les?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ZBC Company on December 03, 2009, 08:53:57 PM
i mean it not least like the amazing race it might show talk this how are you doing i miss talk to you
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Post by: puddin on December 03, 2009, 09:10:20 PM
I need a drink .............
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Post by: ZBC Company on December 03, 2009, 09:17:12 PM
 :funny:
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Post by: Dånooky on December 03, 2009, 09:34:46 PM
I need a drink .............
:jam: cheers?
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Post by: YY on December 03, 2009, 09:44:12 PM
I need a drink .............

I think I do too b/c I have no idea what that one post meant.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 03, 2009, 11:34:54 PM
People talk, the reporters listen  ;D

The Amazing Race leaves Chile and goes to Bariloche, Argentina
http://bit.ly/50jTdu

yes I read that the other day. But here is the thing. The newspaper/blogger isnt following them. This is CBS and TAR we are talking about. When have you know CBS or TAR to go up to a reporter and tell them "hey this is were we are going, leak it to the world." I highly doubt the reporter camped there for 12 hours till early AM to see what the racers got as a clue. So they werent "spotted" anywhere, they were assumed to go somewhere. So they could be in Tembukto for all we know.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Ryan83 on December 03, 2009, 11:53:02 PM
true. I think its like an 8 hour drive from there to Mendoza, Arg. I dont know if thats to long of a drive for a leg. But if its not then they could do a switchback of the Meat eating roadblock.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Moo on December 04, 2009, 01:05:44 AM
With the present route map, can we speculate that the race could or would go back to Mother Africa, and possibly (again) have a "Europeless" race course, after 13 seasons?
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Post by: puddin on December 04, 2009, 01:07:01 AM
Follow up (http://travelsinspanish.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/san-telmo/)  :tup:
Quote
this past Sunday we stumbled upon the taping of what I believe to have been the French, or possibly Portugese, version of the reality TV show “The Amazing Race”.
There was something Amazing Race like being filmed in Buenos Aires (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69328013@N00/4155707947/in/set-72157622902830744/) FYI on Nov 29th.

Maybe the Peking express?

or maybe not (http://picasaweb.google.com/dannyjwarner/ChileNovember7thTo22nd2009#5409668235701529026) :D

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 04, 2009, 01:09:23 AM
With the present route map, can we speculate that the race could or would go back to Mother Africa, and possibly (again) have a "Europeless" race course, after 13 seasons?
Seems to be following Season 11's route. No Europe though would be a welcomed change.
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Post by: Moo on December 04, 2009, 01:11:06 AM
Follow up (http://travelsinspanish.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/san-telmo/)  :tup:
Quote
this past Sunday we stumbled upon the taping of what I believe to have been the French, or possibly Portugese, version of the reality TV show “The Amazing Race”.
There was something Amazing Race like being filmed in Buenos Aires (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69328013@N00/4155707947/in/set-72157622902830744/) FYI on Nov 29th.

Maybe the Peking express?

or maybe not (http://picasaweb.google.com/dannyjwarner/ChileNovember7thTo22nd2009#5409668235701529026) :D


No TAR clues, so this isn't our race right? It's confusing... ack.
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Post by: puddin on December 04, 2009, 02:04:24 AM
^^ No its not moo and I know its confusing because the incoming Twitters have whoevers Race it is mixed up with ours, bastards running other versions of TAR HATE  :meow:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Seattlite on December 04, 2009, 07:05:49 AM
I am going up to Whistler in a week and will ask around for any rumors of them coming there.  Filming should be around a week away if they arrive on the way home and stick to a three week race.  Is World Race Productions the name they still use on permits?
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Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 04, 2009, 08:27:21 AM
I am going up to Whistler in a week and will ask around for any rumors of them coming there.  Filming should be around a week away if they arrive on the way home and stick to a three week race.  Is World Race Productions the name they still use on permits?
I'm jealous!
Neither Vancouver or Whistler Village publish their film permits online - but the name to look out for is World Race Productions. I've already harassed the front desk at the Blackcomb lodge.  :lol:

Happy hunting (and skiing!).
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: level on December 04, 2009, 07:44:07 PM
Been lurking around a bit and decided to say that they better go to Australia this race!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Obbyz on December 06, 2009, 05:06:15 AM
take a look to wikipedia , the future legs have been written on there..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_16 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_16)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Coutzy on December 06, 2009, 05:48:40 AM
The page has already been reverted. Wikipedia doesn't add route info until CBS announces it.
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Post by: Obbyz on December 06, 2009, 05:55:51 AM
So , there are fake , right ?
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Post by: Coutzy on December 06, 2009, 07:06:43 AM
From what we currently have in the way of tweets, etc the course they gave was correct, but wikipedia is a bit anal retentive about information without hard evidence. On the discussion page, our very own Peach pops up as a source for something, along with the phrase "She very rarely gets it wrong"

But I digress.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Seattlite on December 06, 2009, 09:53:43 AM
So at this point if they seem to disappear, I would guess maybe a remote part of Africa?
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Post by: DrRox on December 07, 2009, 11:20:57 AM
Last photographic evidence was on Dec 1 at pit stop in Porto Varas, Chile. Newspaper reports of travel from there to Bariloche, Ar. Today, Dec 7th, we have reports of TAR crew and flags at the international airport in Ascunion, Paraguay. Also reports from Bariloche that TAR would be going to Germany.

Estimate a pit stop in Bariloche on Dec 3 with possible 36 hour version to Dec 5th.....so where have then been since Dec 5th? Are they arriving in Paraguay or leaving on Dec 7th?

If they are arriving in Ascunion today, then we have a leg somewhere between Bariloche and Ascunion. If they are leaving Paraguay, then time of Dec 5th to Dec 7th is probably a leg in Paraguay. So maybe they are flying to Germany today, per the Bariloche posting.

http://www.anbariloche.com.ar/noticia.php?nota=11904 (http://www.anbariloche.com.ar/noticia.php?nota=11904)

Thanks Polarbear for finding the post.
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Post by: puddin on December 07, 2009, 11:34:59 AM
Last photographic evidence was on Dec 1 at pit stop in Porto Varas, Chile. Newspaper reports of travel from there to Bariloche, Ar. Today, Dec 7th, we have reports of TAR crew and flags at the international airport in Ascunion, Paraguay. Also reports from Bariloche that TAR would be going to Germany.

Estimate a pit stop in Bariloche on Dec 3 with possible 36 hour version to Dec 5th.....so where have then been since Dec 5th? Are they arriving in Paraguay or leaving on Dec 7th?

If they are arriving in Ascunion today, then we have a leg somewhere between Bariloche and Ascunion. If they are leaving Paraguay, then time of Dec 5th to Dec 7th is probably a leg in Paraguay. So maybe they are flying to Germany today, per the Bariloche posting.

Where did I miss the Bariloche to Germany reports?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: chill_sd on December 07, 2009, 11:41:13 AM
Where did I miss the Bariloche to Germany reports?



http://www.anbariloche.com.ar/noticia.php?nota=11904

The first part says, "before continuing in Germany."
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Slowhatch on December 07, 2009, 12:20:03 PM
It might refer to some German commune/district/local hangout. Germans are all over the Lake District (not those Germans--descendants of these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Chilean) Germans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Argentine)). Almost every town in the region has a Club Aleman or something similar.
And the Rio/Estancio mention might refer to the same place/task (http://www.guidedconnections.com/argentina-bariloche-fortin_chacbuco-rio_limay.htm): they seem to be situated together.
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Post by: Hellataz on December 07, 2009, 12:20:57 PM
Where did I miss the Bariloche to Germany reports?


The intro of the article translated to:

The Amazing Race recorded in Bariloche


"The city becomes the scene of mega productions for international television, highlighted from the EMPROTUR. The Amazing Race recorded a stage in San Carlos de Bariloche, before continuing in Germany."
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 07, 2009, 01:11:22 PM
The Bariloche leg, I believe, took place on 3 Dec. That means that Asuncion, if it takes place today, cannot be Leg 4. If confirmed, it most likely would be the fifth leg. Speculation: fourth leg in Buenos Aires then?

Agreeing with DrRox on the flight Amy was on. If she was in the Asuncion airport headed to Uruguay seven hours ago (it is now 2.30pm in Asuncion), the flight she was taking was probably PU 706 to Montevideo, departing at 9.20am. Asuncion Intl only has one concourse for arriving and departing flights, so it is entirely possible that the crew was waiting for arrivals while Amy was leaving.

5 legs in South America? They must be making up for not going there in a while...
It looks like we won't be seeing much of Europe and/or Asia this season. Africa/Australia ftw!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kristin626 on December 07, 2009, 01:16:36 PM
The Bariloche leg, I believe, took place on 3 Dec. That means that Asuncion, if it takes place today, cannot be Leg 4. If confirmed, it most likely would be the fifth leg. Speculation: fourth leg in Buenos Aires then?

Agreeing with DrRox on the flight Amy was on. If she was in the Asuncion airport headed to Uruguay seven hours ago (it is now 2.30pm in Asuncion), the flight she was taking was probably PU 706 to Montevideo, departing at 9.20am. Asuncion Intl only has one concourse for arriving and departing flights, so it is entirely possible that the crew was waiting for arrivals while Amy was leaving.

5 legs in South America? They must be making up for not going there in a while...
It looks like we won't be seeing much of Europe and/or Asia this season. Africa/Australia ftw!

What about a TBC leg inlcuding Bariloche and Buenos Aires with a 36 hour pitstop before Paraguay?  Just an idea?!

ETA: I can't remember, where did the Buenos Aires info come from?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on December 07, 2009, 03:07:27 PM
From what we currently have in the way of tweets, etc the course they gave was correct, but wikipedia is a bit anal retentive about information without hard evidence. On the discussion page, our very own Peach pops up as a source for something, along with the phrase "She very rarely gets it wrong"

But I digress.

I was one of the people who said that! But they berated me about "non-reliable" sources, and blah blah blah.

Now on the topic of the route: If they are going to go anywhere other than South America, they'd better get moving! Five legs is too long to be spent in South America.

But I suspect this season's course will be similar in length and scope to the past four. In other words, there may be only one other continent after this one. :groan:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on December 07, 2009, 03:18:09 PM
The Bariloche leg, I believe, took place on 3 Dec. That means that Asuncion, if it takes place today, cannot be Leg 4. If confirmed, it most likely would be the fifth leg. Speculation: fourth leg in Buenos Aires then?

Agreeing with DrRox on the flight Amy was on. If she was in the Asuncion airport headed to Uruguay seven hours ago (it is now 2.30pm in Asuncion), the flight she was taking was probably PU 706 to Montevideo, departing at 9.20am. Asuncion Intl only has one concourse for arriving and departing flights, so it is entirely possible that the crew was waiting for arrivals while Amy was leaving.

5 legs in South America? They must be making up for not going there in a while...
It looks like we won't be seeing much of Europe and/or Asia this season. Africa/Australia ftw!

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is only one other continent visited this season. The course continues to get shorter and shorter.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on December 07, 2009, 03:52:38 PM
The Bariloche leg, I believe, took place on 3 Dec. That means that Asuncion, if it takes place today, cannot be Leg 4. If confirmed, it most likely would be the fifth leg. Speculation: fourth leg in Buenos Aires then?

Agreeing with DrRox on the flight Amy was on. If she was in the Asuncion airport headed to Uruguay seven hours ago (it is now 2.30pm in Asuncion), the flight she was taking was probably PU 706 to Montevideo, departing at 9.20am. Asuncion Intl only has one concourse for arriving and departing flights, so it is entirely possible that the crew was waiting for arrivals while Amy was leaving.

5 legs in South America? They must be making up for not going there in a while...
It looks like we won't be seeing much of Europe and/or Asia this season. Africa/Australia ftw!

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is only one other continent visited this season. The course continues to get shorter and shorter.

or it could be very similar to TAR 12
have a whole bunch of legs in one general area, and then for the last little bit speed their way around the world (Legs 1-7 Europe/Africa, Leg 8 India, Leg 9-10 East Asia, Leg 11 back in U.S.)

this one could go: Leg 1-5 South America, Leg 6 Africa, Leg 7-9 Europe, Leg 10-12 Asia/Australia? Leg 13 back in U.S. (kind of wishful thinking on the whole going back to 13 legs thing...)

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 07, 2009, 05:00:03 PM
The Bariloche leg, I believe, took place on 3 Dec. That means that Asuncion, if it takes place today, cannot be Leg 4. If confirmed, it most likely would be the fifth leg. Speculation: fourth leg in Buenos Aires then?

Agreeing with DrRox on the flight Amy was on. If she was in the Asuncion airport headed to Uruguay seven hours ago (it is now 2.30pm in Asuncion), the flight she was taking was probably PU 706 to Montevideo, departing at 9.20am. Asuncion Intl only has one concourse for arriving and departing flights, so it is entirely possible that the crew was waiting for arrivals while Amy was leaving.

5 legs in South America? They must be making up for not going there in a while...
It looks like we won't be seeing much of Europe and/or Asia this season. Africa/Australia ftw!

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is only one other continent visited this season. The course continues to get shorter and shorter.

or it could be very similar to TAR 12
have a whole bunch of legs in one general area, and then for the last little bit speed their way around the world (Legs 1-7 Europe/Africa, Leg 8 India, Leg 9-10 East Asia, Leg 11 back in U.S.)

this one could go: Leg 1-5 South America, Leg 6 Africa, Leg 7-9 Europe, Leg 10-12 Asia/Australia? Leg 13 back in U.S. (kind of wishful thinking on the whole going back to 13 legs thing...)


It looks like nothing will ever top the stupendous TAR 5 route.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: north09 on December 07, 2009, 06:58:33 PM
The Bariloche leg, I believe, took place on 3 Dec. That means that Asuncion, if it takes place today, cannot be Leg 4. If confirmed, it most likely would be the fifth leg. Speculation: fourth leg in Buenos Aires then?

Agreeing with DrRox on the flight Amy was on. If she was in the Asuncion airport headed to Uruguay seven hours ago (it is now 2.30pm in Asuncion), the flight she was taking was probably PU 706 to Montevideo, departing at 9.20am. Asuncion Intl only has one concourse for arriving and departing flights, so it is entirely possible that the crew was waiting for arrivals while Amy was leaving.

5 legs in South America? They must be making up for not going there in a while...
It looks like we won't be seeing much of Europe and/or Asia this season. Africa/Australia ftw!

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is only one other continent visited this season. The course continues to get shorter and shorter.

or it could be very similar to TAR 12
have a whole bunch of legs in one general area, and then for the last little bit speed their way around the world (Legs 1-7 Europe/Africa, Leg 8 India, Leg 9-10 East Asia, Leg 11 back in U.S.)

this one could go: Leg 1-5 South America, Leg 6 Africa, Leg 7-9 Europe, Leg 10-12 Asia/Australia? Leg 13 back in U.S. (kind of wishful thinking on the whole going back to 13 legs thing...)


It looks like nothing will ever top the stupendous TAR 5 route.

You must certainly be forgeting the TAR8 Route.

I think they'll spend the last leg or two before the final one in Asia.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 07, 2009, 08:32:00 PM
The Bariloche leg, I believe, took place on 3 Dec. That means that Asuncion, if it takes place today, cannot be Leg 4. If confirmed, it most likely would be the fifth leg. Speculation: fourth leg in Buenos Aires then?

Agreeing with DrRox on the flight Amy was on. If she was in the Asuncion airport headed to Uruguay seven hours ago (it is now 2.30pm in Asuncion), the flight she was taking was probably PU 706 to Montevideo, departing at 9.20am. Asuncion Intl only has one concourse for arriving and departing flights, so it is entirely possible that the crew was waiting for arrivals while Amy was leaving.

5 legs in South America? They must be making up for not going there in a while...
It looks like we won't be seeing much of Europe and/or Asia this season. Africa/Australia ftw!

What about a TBC leg inlcuding Bariloche and Buenos Aires with a 36 hour pitstop before Paraguay?  Just an idea?!

ETA: I can't remember, where did the Buenos Aires info come from?

I took a look at flights from Bariloche to Asuncion (on Dec 21st, but I think it would be similar to today) and it looks like there is one short and reasonable option daily. There's a flight that leaves at 2:25 PM and arrives at 9:35 PM after stops in Buenos Aires and Montevideo, Uruguay. Other options take 17 to 22 hours. If the leg in Bariloche ended too late for Phil to catch the 2:25 PM flight, I think they would hold Phil for the flight the next afternoon rather than have him fly for almost 24 hours (especially if the teams can catch the 8 hour flight). That would force them to hold the team for the afternoon after that. That would mean a nearly 48 hour pit stop.

AIRLINE                    CITY (AIRPORT)                             ARRIVE    DEPART    AIRLINE/FLIGHT                  # STOPS  AIRCRAFT TYPE
AERO ARGENTINAS    San Carlos DeBariloche (BRC)                         2:25 PM    AERO ARGENTINAS #2679       0    M88 Jet M88 Jet
Operated by: AU    
AERO ARGENTINAS    Buenos Aires (AEP)*                    4:28 PM    6:10 PM    AERO ARGENTINAS #1208    0    735 Jet 735 Jet
PLUNA                    Montevideo (MVD)*                            7:55 PM    8:45 PM    PLUNA #705                            0      CRJ Jet CRJ Jet
                             Asuncion (ASU)                            9:35 PM               

Total Travel Time with Connections: 8h 52m

                           San Carlos DeBariloche (BRC)                        12:55 AM    LAN CHILE #4357                    0    320 Jet 320 Jet
LAN CHILE              Buenos Aires (EZE)*                     3:00 AM    6:30 AM    LAN CHILE #400                    0    318 Jet 318 Jet
LAN CHILE          Santiago (SCL)*                            8:50 AM    2:30 PM    LAN CHILE #5910                    0    320 Jet 320 Jet
                           Asuncion (ASU)                                    4:40 PM    

Total Travel Time with Connections: 20h 25m

                          San Carlos DeBariloche (BRC)                         1:00 PM    LAN CHILE #4345                    0    320 Jet 320 Jet
TACA AIRLINES       Buenos Aires (EZE)*                            3:05 PM    6:10 PM    TACA AIRLINES #24            0    321 Jet 321 Jet
TACA AIRLINES       Lima (LIM)*                                    8:50 PM    9:50 PM    TACA AIRLINES #44            0    319 Jet 319 Jet
                           Asuncion (ASU)                                    3:23 AM               
Total Travel Time with Connections: 17h 28m

It might be possible that they had a leg in Buenos Aires, but they would still have the issue of only a couple of flights a day out of Bariloche and having a lengthy pit stop to let Phil get there in advance of the teams. Unless we get reports of teams moving through Buenos Aires doing tasks, I'd be inclined to think they were seen at the airport waiting for connecting flights.

I'm thinking back to the list of purported leg locations in the removed Wikipedia article for TAR 16. It's still there if you look in the history of revisions:


    * Leg 1 United States → Chile

    * Leg 2 Chile

    * Leg 3 Chile → Paraguay

    * Leg 4 Paraguay → South Africa

    * Leg 5 South Africa → Angola

    * Leg 6 Angola → Spain

    * Leg 7 Spain  → Portugal

    * Leg 8 Portugal

    * Leg 9 Portugal → Belarus

    * Leg 10 Belarus  → Sri Lanka

    * Leg 11 Sri Lanka  → People's Republic of China

    * Leg 12 People's Republic of China  → Canada  → United States

I discounted it when I first saw it because I thought it was unlikely they would go to Sri Lanka due to the terrorism issues with the Tamil rebels. However, if you grant that Bariloche is almost in Chile and that they've apparently gone to Paraguay, I'm a little more intrigued. If they go to South Africa next, then I'll really be intrigued. I'd be interested in asking Wikipedia user Masem where he got this list of countries from, but it'll have to wait until later if I'm to do it.

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 07, 2009, 08:35:42 PM
The Bariloche leg, I believe, took place on 3 Dec. That means that Asuncion, if it takes place today, cannot be Leg 4. If confirmed, it most likely would be the fifth leg. Speculation: fourth leg in Buenos Aires then?

Agreeing with DrRox on the flight Amy was on. If she was in the Asuncion airport headed to Uruguay seven hours ago (it is now 2.30pm in Asuncion), the flight she was taking was probably PU 706 to Montevideo, departing at 9.20am. Asuncion Intl only has one concourse for arriving and departing flights, so it is entirely possible that the crew was waiting for arrivals while Amy was leaving.

5 legs in South America? They must be making up for not going there in a while...
It looks like we won't be seeing much of Europe and/or Asia this season. Africa/Australia ftw!

What about a TBC leg inlcuding Bariloche and Buenos Aires with a 36 hour pitstop before Paraguay?  Just an idea?!

ETA: I can't remember, where did the Buenos Aires info come from?

I took a look at flights from Bariloche to Asuncion (on Dec 21st, but I think it would be similar to today) and it looks like there is one short and reasonable option daily. There's a flight that leaves at 2:25 PM and arrives at 9:35 PM after stops in Buenos Aires and Montevideo, Uruguay. Other options take 17 to 22 hours. If the leg in Bariloche ended too late for Phil to catch the 2:25 PM flight, I think they would hold Phil for the flight the next afternoon rather than have him fly for almost 24 hours (especially if the teams can catch the 8 hour flight). That would force them to hold the team for the afternoon after that. That would mean a nearly 48 hour pit stop.

It might be possible that they had a leg in Buenos Aires, but they would still have the issue of only a couple of flights a day out of Bariloche and having a lengthy pit stop to let Phil get there in advance of the teams. Unless we get reports of teams moving through Buenos Aires doing tasks, I'd be inclined to think they were seen at the airport waiting for connecting flights.

I'm thinking back to the list of purported leg locations in the removed Wikipedia article for TAR 16. It's still there if you look in the history of revisions:


    * Leg 1 United States → Chile

    * Leg 2 Chile

    * Leg 3 Chile → Paraguay

    * Leg 4 Paraguay → South Africa

    * Leg 5 South Africa → Angola

    * Leg 6 Angola → Spain

    * Leg 7 Spain  → Portugal

    * Leg 8 Portugal

    * Leg 9 Portugal → Belarus

    * Leg 10 Belarus  → Sri Lanka

    * Leg 11 Sri Lanka  → People's Republic of China

    * Leg 12 People's Republic of China  → Canada  → United States

I discounted it when I first saw it because I thought it was unlikely they would go to Sri Lanka due to the terrorism issues with the Tamil rebels. However, if you grant that Bariloche is almost in Chile and that they've apparently gone to Paraguay, I'm a little more intrigued. If they go to South Africa next, then I'll really be intrigued. I'd be interested in asking Wikipedia user Masem where he got this list of countries from, but it'll have to wait until later if I'm to do it.

Plaidmoon


The reason I'm personally so leery of truly investing belief in much on Wikipedia is because it is user edited. Anyone can post anything in there and it doesnt' necessarily make it so.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Neobie on December 07, 2009, 08:39:14 PM
* Leg 1 United States → Chile
* Leg 2 Chile
* Leg 3 Chile → Paraguay
* Leg 4 Paraguay → South Africa
* Leg 5 South Africa → Angola
* Leg 6 Angola → Spain
* Leg 7 Spain  → Portugal
* Leg 8 Portugal
* Leg 9 Portugal → Belarus
* Leg 10 Belarus  → Sri Lanka
* Leg 11 Sri Lanka  → People's Republic of China
* Leg 12 People's Republic of China  → Canada  → United States

I really hate to be mean, but...

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/misc/HAHAHANO.jpg)

The timeline suggests that even if the Paraguay sightings are legit, there would have to be a leg between Bariloche and Asuncion. Masem's probably just pulling something out of thin air.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ZBC Company on December 07, 2009, 08:41:45 PM
then wiki say germany
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 07, 2009, 08:52:17 PM
* Leg 1 United States → Chile
* Leg 2 Chile
* Leg 3 Chile → Paraguay
* Leg 4 Paraguay → South Africa
* Leg 5 South Africa → Angola
* Leg 6 Angola → Spain
* Leg 7 Spain  → Portugal
* Leg 8 Portugal
* Leg 9 Portugal → Belarus
* Leg 10 Belarus  → Sri Lanka
* Leg 11 Sri Lanka  → People's Republic of China
* Leg 12 People's Republic of China  → Canada  → United States

I really hate to be mean, but...

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/misc/HAHAHANO.jpg)

The timeline suggests that even if the Paraguay sightings are legit, there would have to be a leg between Bariloche and Asuncion. Masem's probably just pulling something out of thin air.

Furthermore, WHERE'S THE LEG FOR BARILOCHE?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on December 07, 2009, 08:58:21 PM
then wiki say germany

Don't trust wiki. I can go on there right now and can make up whatever I want to.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 07, 2009, 09:05:21 PM
* Leg 1 United States → Chile
* Leg 2 Chile
* Leg 3 Chile → Paraguay
* Leg 4 Paraguay → South Africa
* Leg 5 South Africa → Angola
* Leg 6 Angola → Spain
* Leg 7 Spain  → Portugal
* Leg 8 Portugal
* Leg 9 Portugal → Belarus
* Leg 10 Belarus  → Sri Lanka
* Leg 11 Sri Lanka  → People's Republic of China
* Leg 12 People's Republic of China  → Canada  → United States

I really hate to be mean, but...

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/misc/HAHAHANO.jpg)

The timeline suggests that even if the Paraguay sightings are legit, there would have to be a leg between Bariloche and Asuncion. Masem's probably just pulling something out of thin air.

OK, I should have looked at the timeline more closely. Even if they had a 48 hour pit stop in Bariloche, there is still an unaccounted for day. Perhaps they did have a leg in Buenos Aires after all, which would cast the itinerary in further doubt. I wasn't buying into the itinerary too much at this point. I was just throwing it out here so that it didn't get forgotten and to stir some thinking. If the legs are in South Africa and Angola, then I think it deserves some further investigation.

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 07, 2009, 09:13:03 PM
* Leg 1 United States → Chile
* Leg 2 Chile
* Leg 3 Chile → Paraguay
* Leg 4 Paraguay → South Africa
* Leg 5 South Africa → Angola
* Leg 6 Angola → Spain
* Leg 7 Spain  → Portugal
* Leg 8 Portugal
* Leg 9 Portugal → Belarus
* Leg 10 Belarus  → Sri Lanka
* Leg 11 Sri Lanka  → People's Republic of China
* Leg 12 People's Republic of China  → Canada  → United States

I really hate to be mean, but...

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/misc/HAHAHANO.jpg)

The timeline suggests that even if the Paraguay sightings are legit, there would have to be a leg between Bariloche and Asuncion. Masem's probably just pulling something out of thin air.

Furthermore, WHERE'S THE LEG FOR BARILOCHE?

Ummmmm...... in Bariloche????????  :-[

I was thinking Bariloche was part of the leg in Puerto Varas, but since we have a picture of a pit stop in Puerto Varas, Bariloche has to be a separate leg. I'd say my train of thought has been pretty thoroughly derailed.  :-[

Tough room. It's like trying to slip a pork chop past a starving pit bull.  :colors

I'm still thinking that a long pit stop was likely in Bariloche due to the limited airline flights, though as a novice flight detective, I'm sure there are better flight search engines than what I found. And I'm still going to be intrigued if the next countries are South Africa and Angola.

Plaidmoon

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 07, 2009, 09:15:05 PM
Oh please with the Wiki guys  :groan: :groan: , I'd like to ban that word!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on December 07, 2009, 09:24:27 PM
Oh please with the Wiki guys  :groan: :groan: , I'd like to ban that word!

I know. The amount of meaningless information on there is incredible. I'm doing an assignment right now based on creating, writing, and editing a page and from this, its become really easy to figure out what on there is true and what isn't even close. 
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Dånooky on December 07, 2009, 09:29:16 PM
Oh please with the Wiki guys  :groan: :groan: , I'd like to ban that word!

I know. The amount of meaningless information on there is incredible. I'm doing an assignment right now based on creating, writing, and editing a page and from this, its become really easy to figure out what on there is true and what isn't even close. 
My posture on wikipedia has always been:
"Reading a Wikipedia is the same thing as asking a friend about something. It is as certain and reliable as that"
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Neobie on December 07, 2009, 09:51:44 PM
Quote
thank you for the free internet asu...

Can someone check if there is indeed free internet at Asuncion Intl Airport?

The Paraguay Civil Aviation Authority website is disappointing, to say the least...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: fijibeachbum on December 07, 2009, 10:17:43 PM
Still trying to find out if there's internet.
Looks like there are only 2 flights to Capetown (if that's where they are headed) each day, 5:10 a.m. and 10:50 a.m. So if the tweeter left before the racers got there, perhaps they took the 10:50 flight to arrive at a variety of times ranging from 1:50pm to 9:50pm the next day.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kittygoesmeow on December 07, 2009, 10:18:45 PM
Quote
thank you for the free internet asu...

Can someone check if there is indeed free internet at Asuncion Intl Airport?

The Paraguay Civil Aviation Authority website is disappointing, to say the least...

Doesn't show up here:

http://www.wififreespot.com/airport.html

Although I guess there could be options at restaurants?

EDIT: Looks like a restaurant called Havanna might have it.

EDIT #2: Yeah, Havanna gives out temporary internet passwords (with a purchase).
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Slowhatch on December 07, 2009, 10:22:03 PM
I was going to put this in tech-notes, but here is just as good:
Google has introduced their Translate functions into a plugin for the main search page. Type in an English search term (include a place). When you get your results click "show options" and find "translated search" at the bottom of the sidebar. It will translate into what it thinks is an appropriate language. If you type "pettirossi airport free internet access" one of the hits is this page (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&langpair=es%7Cen&u=http://www.aeropuertosdelmundo.com.ar/americadelsur/paraguay/aeropuertos/silvio-pettirossi.php), which mentions the airports "wi-fi" (free, I don't know).
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: fijibeachbum on December 07, 2009, 10:29:05 PM
According to atlarge dot com, and a search of the airport name, there is internet and wifi access at the airport. It doesn't say if it's free or not.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 07, 2009, 10:43:16 PM
According to atlarge dot com, and a search of the airport name, there is internet and wifi access at the airport. It doesn't say if it's free or not.

You'd think wifi access would be free at an airport, but then again a bottle of water costs $8978970987 at an airport.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Zack. on December 07, 2009, 11:26:40 PM
SPEC:

Though wiki is the devil, I suspect there might be a leg (the leg following Bariloche/Asuncion, in fact) in Spain/Portugal; I'm not as certain that they're gonna finally go back to Africa, and with the number of direct flights from South America to Madrid, it would allow TPTB to easily transition to the Eurasian legs that are bound to happen.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: theschnauzers on December 07, 2009, 11:31:27 PM
masem is a long-time poster at TWoP, as well as a moderator for Wikipedia.

I doubt he posted the alleged list, rather, he removed a list someone put in there, It's speculative, and I seriously doubt given the cost conservation the show has been following the last few seasons, that any future season of TAR will go to that many countries in the same season. Some of those countries are feasible this time around, but I don't think any European country is likely. I can see them doing South America, Africa, Oceania, but not Europe, and probably not mainland Asia this time around.

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Dånooky on December 08, 2009, 12:30:48 AM
According to atlarge dot com, and a search of the airport name, there is internet and wifi access at the airport. It doesn't say if it's free or not.

You'd think wifi access would be free at an airport, but then again a bottle of water costs $8978970987 at an airport.
Most wifi providers at airports are usually private companies that charge a huge amount of money to navigate *cough*15€/15 minutes*cough* but most of the times if you find a McDonald's it's like finding gold.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: tarflyonthewall on December 08, 2009, 01:20:31 AM
I hope it's true, but I very much doubt the Paraguay leg is legit -- even ignoring the time gap, the numerous South America seem to turn up a bit wrt criticism of TAR7 and TAR:AS (both of which only had four legs). They'd be out of their mind to go for five. I'd say Bariloche to Germany makes more sense. After all, we went Bariloche to Russia in TAR5.

If Germany does turn out to be true, I hope to God, Allah, Buddha, and the assorted Hindu deities they're probably going to base a task around in the next visit to India that we stay in the north of the country this time. I'd prefer Hamburg out of all the main choices, but Frankfurt and Berlin would both be preferable to yet another Munich visit.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on December 08, 2009, 01:35:10 AM
I hope it's true, but I very much doubt the Paraguay leg is legit -- even ignoring the time gap, the numerous South America seem to turn up a bit wrt criticism of TAR7 and TAR:AS (both of which only had four legs). They'd be out of their mind to go for five. I'd say Bariloche to Germany makes more sense. After all, we went Bariloche to Russia in TAR5.

If Germany does turn out to be true, I hope to God, Allah, Buddha, and the assorted Hindu deities they're probably going to base a task around in the next visit to India that we stay in the north of the country this time. I'd prefer Hamburg out of all the main choices, but Frankfurt and Berlin would both be preferable to yet another Munich visit.

Germany might also bring hope to African legs  :hearts:
2/4 times they visited Germany, an African country was the stop before it
(Morocco- Season 3, Senegal- Season 6)
however, they've never done Germany - Africa yet, and having an african leg in between the supposed Bariloche - Germany doesn't really fit, so...  :duno:

EDIT: does this post need to go to speculation, since that's basically what it is?...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kyla on December 08, 2009, 04:35:08 AM
Quote
My only problem with Diureticalorder's tweet is that the first and only Tweet was in April and then nothing. Then all of a sudden. desided to tweet again and the third tweet is about TAR. What you guys think?

Also, they say they hate reality television. And never watch it. So how did they know that TAR's flags are red and yellow?

But even if they are telling the truth, we still don't know for sure that it's TAR-related. They said that they didn't actually see any teams. It also doesn't fit in with the timeline of the show to spend this much time in South America. Either there's 5 or so legs in South America or they're spending a LOT of time on legs 3 and 4.

Which is why I'm more apt to believe the Germany route. The article that mentioned it seems to come from a legitimate newspaper in Bariloche. And the way it was written, they were saying that Germany was where they went when they left Bariloche (so it would've been Leg 4). So I don't think both the Germany and Paraguay info can be right.

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kittygoesmeow on December 08, 2009, 09:23:20 AM
According to atlarge dot com, and a search of the airport name, there is internet and wifi access at the airport. It doesn't say if it's free or not.

You'd think wifi access would be free at an airport, but then again a bottle of water costs $8978970987 at an airport.

It's even worse on the plane  :ascared

I don't know if you guys saw my edit or not, but it looks like there's a restaurant in the airport called Havanna (or maybe Havana) that gives out temporary internet passwords with a purchase.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 08, 2009, 09:28:02 AM
She never saw the flags, someone she talked to in BA that described decals on a fleet of cars and TAR All Stars spent 4 legs in South America.

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My only problem with Diureticalorder's tweet is that the first and only Tweet was in April and then nothing. Then all of a sudden. desided to tweet again and the third tweet is about TAR. What you guys think?

Also, they say they hate reality television. And never watch it. So how did they know that TAR's flags are red and yellow?

But even if they are telling the truth, we still don't know for sure that it's TAR-related. They said that they didn't actually see any teams. It also doesn't fit in with the timeline of the show to spend this much time in South America. Either there's 5 or so legs in South America or they're spending a LOT of time on legs 3 and 4.

Which is why I'm more apt to believe the Germany route. The article that mentioned it seems to come from a legitimate newspaper in Bariloche. And the way it was written, they were saying that Germany was where they went when they left Bariloche (so it would've been Leg 4). So I don't think both the Germany and Paraguay info can be right.


Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kyla on December 08, 2009, 10:44:09 AM
She never saw the flags, someone she talked to in BA that described decals on a fleet of cars and TAR All Stars spent 4 legs in South America.

She said:

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also mari just spoke to uno porteno who saw a bunch of hoopties lined up outside w/ red/yellow stickers. deffo the amazing race

How would she know that red/yellow stickers meant Amazing Race if she's never seen the show?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 08, 2009, 10:50:46 AM
She never saw the flags, someone she talked to in BA that described decals on a fleet of cars and TAR All Stars spent 4 legs in South America.

She said:

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also mari just spoke to uno porteno who saw a bunch of hoopties lined up outside w/ red/yellow stickers. deffo the amazing race

How would she know that red/yellow stickers meant Amazing Race if she's never seen the show?

Are you looking to argue kyla? When directly questioned she replied:

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   my friend spoke to an older man from BA about what was up. he saw crappy #ed cars lined up with decals(?)-lost in translation         

Is its fake we'll know sooner or later okay? I'm hoping for photo evidence so we'll see how it pans out or not.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kyla on December 08, 2009, 11:04:11 AM

Are you looking to argue kyla? When directly questioned she replied:

Is its fake we'll know sooner or later okay? I'm hoping for photo evidence so we'll see how it pans out or not.

Not at all. I was speculating. I thought that was the point of this thread? Just pointing out that some things don't add up with the Paraguay info. Not just with the person on twitter, but with the article that mentioned them going to Germany.

Well, we'll find out everything eventually, won't we?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 08, 2009, 11:40:34 AM
You should've seen last season. RFF had many sources and thus knew 90% of the entire race course weeks before the press release. This time, we aren't getting as much info (so there is a slight possibility that they might be in some secluded place like Africa).

P.S. Suggestion to the CBS people reading this: Africa is good!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 08, 2009, 11:50:41 AM
This is normal. Just wait....it comes. :)

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: TARandJJFan on December 08, 2009, 11:53:37 AM
I realize a lot of people don't like the idea of them spending so much time in one place. But, since they did it in TAR 7 with Rob/Amber's first season, it's definitely possible. Just because you don't want something to be true doesn't mean that it isn't.  :duno:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: michael on December 08, 2009, 11:58:29 AM
I realize a lot of people don't like the idea of them spending so much time in one place. But, since they did it in TAR 7 with Rob/Amber's first season, it's definitely possible. Just because you don't want something to be true doesn't mean that it isn't.  :duno:

Oh thanks I wasn't aware of this.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: TARandJJFan on December 08, 2009, 12:18:01 PM
I realize a lot of people don't like the idea of them spending so much time in one place. But, since they did it in TAR 7 with Rob/Amber's first season, it's definitely possible. Just because you don't want something to be true doesn't mean that it isn't.  :duno:

Oh thanks I wasn't aware of this.

Just wanted to clarify that I was responding to those questioning whether they were really in Paraguay or not. I know that most people know that it is definitely possible that the Paraguay information is correct.  :tup:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: chill_sd on December 08, 2009, 12:22:21 PM
Actually, all of the Parguay info seems to have come from a "Porteño" which means a Buenos Aires local.  So the sighting of junker cars with TAR flags could easily have been in Argentina and not in Paraguay.  The person in Paraguay was hoping to see teams at the airport, but didn't.

In addition, the Buenos Aires sighting could have been related to the local race that we have pictures of.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on December 08, 2009, 04:19:40 PM
I realize a lot of people don't like the idea of them spending so much time in one place. But, since they did it in TAR 7 with Rob/Amber's first season, it's definitely possible. Just because you don't want something to be true doesn't mean that it isn't.  :duno:

Oh thanks I wasn't aware of this.

Just wanted to clarify that I was responding to those questioning whether they were really in Paraguay or not. I know that most people know that it is definitely possible that the Paraguay information is correct.  :tup:

Actually, in the two Romber seasons, TAR7 and TAR11, they spent 4 legs in South America. In no other TAR did they spend more than 3 legs in South America. The fact that a Paraguay leg on the time the tweeter posted would most likely mean this is the 5th leg in this race, makes its highly suspect to me. That doesn't mean it isnt happening, just makes it strange.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on December 08, 2009, 04:51:28 PM
I'm wondering...

did the paper actually say that Germany was the NEXT location?

or just that they'll be heading to Germany later on?

a vague statement like "going to Germany after Bariloche" could easily mean that Germany will host a later leg, but also could be easily misconstrued into making it sound like it's the very next leg, as some people were thinking
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kyla on December 08, 2009, 05:04:23 PM
I'm wondering...

did the paper actually say that Germany was the NEXT location?

or just that they'll be heading to Germany later on?

a vague statement like "going to Germany after Bariloche" could easily mean that Germany will host a later leg, but also could be easily misconstrued into making it sound like it's the very next leg, as some people were thinking
Here's the LINK  (http://www.anbariloche.com.ar/noticia.php?nota=11904)and the translation:

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The Amazing Race recorded a stage in San Carlos de Bariloche, before continuing in Germany.

Sounds like they're saying that's where they went once they left Bariloche. I doubt they could find out info that the racers themselves didn't know yet, like where they would be going in a few legs.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on December 08, 2009, 06:35:21 PM
I'm wondering...

did the paper actually say that Germany was the NEXT location?

or just that they'll be heading to Germany later on?

a vague statement like "going to Germany after Bariloche" could easily mean that Germany will host a later leg, but also could be easily misconstrued into making it sound like it's the very next leg, as some people were thinking
Here's the LINK  (http://www.anbariloche.com.ar/noticia.php?nota=11904)and the translation:

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The Amazing Race recorded a stage in San Carlos de Bariloche, before continuing in Germany.

Sounds like they're saying that's where they went once they left Bariloche. I doubt they could find out info that the racers themselves didn't know yet, like where they would be going in a few legs.

it might not have been the racers they talked to

production staff could very well know where the teams are going for the entire race, and maybe when they were asked, Germany was the first location that came to mind

but i'm kinda picking at straws... i guess we'll just have to wait until the next tweet or photos come in...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Seattlite on December 08, 2009, 06:41:31 PM
I would think that if they were in Germany we would have more sightings already.  Perhaps they are somewhere much more remote.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 08, 2009, 08:21:04 PM
Slowhatch posted this

It might refer to some German commune/district/local hangout. Germans are all over the Lake District (not those Germans--descendants of these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Chilean) Germans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Argentine)). Almost every town in the region has a Club Aleman or something similar.
And the Rio/Estancio mention might refer to the same place/task (http://www.guidedconnections.com/argentina-bariloche-fortin_chacbuco-rio_limay.htm): they seem to be situated together.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 09, 2009, 12:18:37 AM
Just wondering, does the article mention what city in Germany they are 'allegedly' headed to?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on December 09, 2009, 02:28:59 AM
No, just Germany.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Seattlite on December 09, 2009, 08:25:18 AM
Around this time in AR 7 they headed to South Africa followed by India. Both countries have had less spoilers then when they were seen around Europe. It would make more sense that they were on there way to Germany (this would be info the crew would know), but a little later.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Polarbear on December 09, 2009, 09:15:30 AM
Don`t know if I should "steal" Puddins work, so tell me if I shouldn`t have:) She hasn`t been on twitter for a long time so I thought I shoud mention it.

http://twitter.com/d0cc0l

@PuddinRFF a friend told me they were in Asuncion on Dec 7th.The catch a TAM flight towards Sao Paulo, Brazil..may be a connecting flight
about 2 hours ago from web in reply to PuddinRFF
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So maybe the sighting we had from the person flying to Uruguay was the crew waiting for the teams to travel FROM Paraguay (after the pitstop). If they were heading for Sao Paulo they could have taken a connecting flight from there as d0cc0l mentions...I`ll leave the flight-research to someone else. I don`t know how.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on December 09, 2009, 10:35:31 AM
Polarbear,
You have a fascinating hypothesis. Unfortunately the flights from Asuncion to Sao Paulo do not support it. Here is the list of weekday flights from ASU to GRU:

PZ710 0510 0815 nonstop
PZ706 dep. 1050  change in AGT (Ciudade del Este) with a 20 minute?? connect time, arr. GRU 1430
PZ753 dep. 0920  change MVD (Montevideo), arr. GRU 1510
G37471 dep. 1625 change CWB (Curitibia) arr. 2030
PZ712 1800 2100 nonstop

There are others connecting in Beunos Aires but none that fill a gap in the schedule above. The nonstop flights are offered 7 days a week. I expect the others are also, but I have not taken the time to prove it for Dec. 5 and Dec. 6.

My conclusion from the above is that only one connection is through Montevideo and that one is dominated by a flight connection leaving later and arriving earlier, so why would any team book it?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Coutzy on December 09, 2009, 10:44:35 AM
My conclusion from the above is that only one connection is through Montevideo and that one is dominated by a flight connection leaving later and arriving earlier, so why would any team book it?

Because production told them to so they could get a leveller. We've seen it before.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 09, 2009, 08:09:28 PM
Alright, who edited the wiki again?  :groan: Oh well, I love speculating anyway!  :-[

It claims that after Paraguay (the 4th Leg, yeah right), Angola is visited for 2 legs, then South Africa, Seychelles, Malaysia, Australia (2 legs). No Europe  :jam:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ZBC Company on December 09, 2009, 09:23:15 PM
for Gods sakes please stop the madness  :groan:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: theschnauzers on December 09, 2009, 10:14:17 PM
Actually. my suspicion has been that this Race would be South America, Africa and Oceania/Oz/NZ.  I think it'll take more than 21 days, but given how heavy the last two Races have been with Europe and Asia, these three continents/areas were due.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on December 10, 2009, 12:50:24 AM
Actually. my suspicion has been that this Race would be South America, Africa and Oceania/Oz/NZ.  I think it'll take more than 21 days, but given how heavy the last two Races have been with Europe and Asia, these three continents/areas were due.

Yes, but lately it doesn't seem like they have been trying too hard to balance the frequency of the locales they visit. I think there will still be at least one of both Europe and Asia, although if they are going to Australia (continent), that is a lot of continents for one race. We'll see which of the two evils (fewer continents or the mandatory Europe/Asia visit) wins in the end. :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 10, 2009, 01:30:14 AM
Actually. my suspicion has been that this Race would be South America, Africa and Oceania/Oz/NZ.  I think it'll take more than 21 days, but given how heavy the last two Races have been with Europe and Asia, these three continents/areas were due.

Yes, but lately it doesn't seem like they have been trying too hard to balance the frequency of the locales they visit. I think there will still be at least one of both Europe and Asia, although if they are going to Australia (continent), that is a lot of continents for one race. We'll see which of the two evils (fewer continents or the mandatory Europe/Asia visit) wins in the end. :lol:

It's not bad that they visit Europe and Asia; it's bad that they're recycling places and making mediocre tasks. TAR has exhausted most of Asia, Europe, and S. America. If there was less violence there, the race should definitely spend at least 3 legs in Africa.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on December 10, 2009, 01:42:08 AM
Actually. my suspicion has been that this Race would be South America, Africa and Oceania/Oz/NZ.  I think it'll take more than 21 days, but given how heavy the last two Races have been with Europe and Asia, these three continents/areas were due.

Yes, but lately it doesn't seem like they have been trying too hard to balance the frequency of the locales they visit. I think there will still be at least one of both Europe and Asia, although if they are going to Australia (continent), that is a lot of continents for one race. We'll see which of the two evils (fewer continents or the mandatory Europe/Asia visit) wins in the end. :lol:

It's not bad that they visit Europe and Asia; it's bad that they're recycling places and making mediocre tasks. TAR has exhausted most of Asia, Europe, and S. America. If there was less violence there, the race should definitely spend at least 3 legs in Africa.

the thing is, there are plenty of places throughout Africa that are at least relatively safe (much of the smaller West African countries, Cameroon, Congo, Gabon, South Africa could definitely use another visit, same with Egypt, etc.)

but the same could go for Europe, Asia, and even South America... (i mean if Colombia is safe enough for another version, why isn't safe enough for us?!)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: theschnauzers on December 10, 2009, 10:32:09 AM
The fact that regional versions can film in some of these countries doesn't mean it is safe for Americans to travel there, must less Americans with film crews; they'd be seen as targets. TPTB have rarely gone into a country that has safety risks for American travelers (Sri Lanka in 2005 in particular because of the Tamil Tigers rebellion, but the teams stayed on the opposite coast of the island during filming, and teams weren't moving around at night.)

There are a couple of patterns that I think are influencing how the course routes are being laid out. It's clear TPTB are trying to reduce costs by having one or two fewer legs, and by having two legs in the same area before mvoing on, and by using several counties in the same area; in addition, they are using a few long flights so there is a race course that crosses the Equator as little as possible. We know there are flights out of South America that do not require travel to the northern hemisphere that will get the teams to Africa and Oceania/Oz/NZ, and I'm still of the opinion that is why we've haven't had much in the confirmed spoiler tweets/blogs /photos. I also don't think a TAR 7 course is likely either (go to India and then return to North America from Europe without a true circumnavigation of the globe.)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Mister RC on December 10, 2009, 11:05:26 AM
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It's clear TPTB are trying to reduce costs by having one or two fewer legs, and by having two legs in the same area before mvoing on, qnd by using several counties in the same area

For starters, the best advice for TPTB as a whole in terms of cutting costs I could give would be do away with crap-ass new shows that won't/haven't lasted anywhere near a year anyway (3 Rivers, Kid Nation, Viva Laughlin, etc).  That, and do away with the Speed Bump (or keep it but go back to not having a RB on Leg 1 while omitting another one or a detour later in the race).

Obviously, it's a combination of things that have led to the recent course routes over the years.  As mentioned, the risk factor is rather imperative this day and age, in addition to trying to save.  So much could be happening on the Eastern Hemisphere right now that they have to be very careful how they go about the race.  I hope they're okay; they're safety is more important than the race itself.  Unless they found a way to race sans getting noticed, or if they found a way to pick off people that might be on the lookout for something that they're about to tweet, it should be coming up soon.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ob-la-di-ob-la-da on December 10, 2009, 02:54:57 PM
You know, theschnauzers mentioned "crossing the equator," and that got me to thinking... (and I'm new to RFF and spoilers, so I'm sorry if you guys have covered this in the past...)  It seems that during the majority of TAR episodes, the temperatures are fairly warm.  IIRC, the contestants are all bundled up for only one or two legs at the most.  Makes sense -- same reason Survivor  is always on a tropical island -- it makes better TV to see contestants in shorts and t-shirts, rather than jackets and pants.  So in trying to speculate on the TAR16 destinations, would the majority of their travel be in the southern hemisphere, where it's summer (and also near the equator)?   Has anyone here done an analysis of past TAR seasons and whether they're usually filmed wherever it's summer?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: north09 on December 10, 2009, 03:36:56 PM
I believe it depends on when the season is being filmed. TAR15 was filmed from July to August, which made warmer weather during the race. However, TAR14 was filmed during the end of last year. During most of the season teams wore coats untill the final few legs.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 10, 2009, 04:35:58 PM
You know, theschnauzers mentioned "crossing the equator," and that got me to thinking... (and I'm new to RFF and spoilers, so I'm sorry if you guys have covered this in the past...)  It seems that during the majority of TAR episodes, the temperatures are fairly warm.  IIRC, the contestants are all bundled up for only one or two legs at the most.  Makes sense -- same reason Survivor  is always on a tropical island -- it makes better TV to see contestants in shorts and t-shirts, rather than jackets and pants.  So in trying to speculate on the TAR16 destinations, would the majority of their travel be in the southern hemisphere, where it's summer (and also near the equator)?   Has anyone here done an analysis of past TAR seasons and whether they're usually filmed wherever it's summer?

Hence, why teams will most likely avoid Europe and visit the tropics/ Southern Hemisphere (It's summer there.). I expect India, but not China this race.
Santa in shorts!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on December 11, 2009, 01:57:11 AM
Filming Dates:

TAR 1: March 8 - April 8, 2001
TAR 2: January 8 - February 5, 2002
TAR 3: August 9 - September 7, 2002
TAR 4: January 18 - February 14, 2003
TAR 5: January 30 - February 27, 2004
TAR 6: August 13 - September 12, 2004
TAR 7: November 20 - December 19, 2004
TAR 8: July 7 - July 31, 2005
TAR 9: November 7 - December 3, 2005
TAR 10: May 27 - June 24, 2006
TAR 11: November 20 - December 17, 2006
TAR 12: July 8 - July 29, 2007
TAR 13: April 22 - May 14, 2008
TAR 14: October 31 - November 21, 2008
TAR 15: July 18 - August 7, 2009

I'm guessing most people know the approximate routes of the seasons, so this is just to help people see the trends in route by time of year.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DianeC on December 11, 2009, 07:43:35 AM
Here is a letter from a artist friend that is Estonia right now and this is what she sent me this morning after I asked her if there were any sightings of TAR teams there:
Actually I really have no clue lol

I am in Estonia right now and I cannot understand the language, so
watching TV, listening to the radio, or reading Newspapers is a little
difficult.  I could ask someone for you, but that is also sort of hard lmao

But a quick google turned this up:

/The remaining seven teams continue racing in Germany where a Roadblock
has them bungee-jumping. One team-member nearly passes out from
exhaustion but is okay and continues on with the race. The teams fly
next 450 miles to Budapest, Hungary. Once there, hijinks ensue when the
teams are forced to travel in local cars that are notorious for their
unreliability. Many teams have breakdowns and are forced to get new
cars, or have mechanical work done. Once they've navigated their way,
they arrive at a Detour: Catapault Crash or Cannonball Run. Immediately,
the second Detour proves to be much easier than the first. After the
teams complete the Detour, they receive a clue telling them to catch a
train into Budapest, then travel by taxi to the Net Klub Internet Cafe
where they'll receive an online clue. By the end of the episode, one
team couldn't catch a train into Budapest until the next day so they
were far behind. The other six teams had arrived at the cafe, which
hadn't yet opened.

/Hope that helped :)

René
  Is this from an old Google from a previous year that she Googled?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Coutzy on December 11, 2009, 07:53:10 AM
That sounds a lot like a summary of a Season 6 episode.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DianeC on December 11, 2009, 08:00:14 AM
Arrrggghh...I hoped I was onto something, but it did sound a bit too neatly packaged...I'll keep trying..
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2009, 08:02:54 AM
SEASON 6, EPISODE 6: :groan:

http://www.tv.com/the-amazing-race/they-should-probably-have-some-counseling/episode/383740/summary.html
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DianeC on December 11, 2009, 08:06:13 AM
Wahhhhhhhhhh..What can I say..She has no clue....She tried...I tried..
We LOST..It hurts!!!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2009, 08:17:00 AM
Trying is good...all of us need to be looking hard...a little blog mention, a picture somewhere...keep looking! In some ways, I don't mind the lack of tweets ...

It gives me hope that perhaps they went somewhere where the the word tweet means something a bird says :lol: ...Africa?? somewhere remote... somewhere exotic!

Back to spoiling now.... :tup:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 12, 2009, 03:06:46 AM
Timeline speculation, assuming a 12-leg race.

Leg 1 (Valparaiso): 11/29
Leg 2 (Puerto Varas): 12/1
Leg 3 (Bariloche): 12/2
Leg 4 (Germany?): 12/5
Leg 5: 12/7
Leg 6: 12/8
Leg 7: 12/10
Leg 8: 12/12
Leg 9: 12/14
Leg 10: 12/16
Leg 11: 12/17
Leg 12: 12/19
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 12, 2009, 06:08:31 AM
^ ^ According to that timeline, that could mean we are already in Leg 7 or Leg 8. I wonder why we have heard so little compared to TAR15. :duno:

I hope we hear something soon... :(
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: tory on December 12, 2009, 11:55:51 AM
this is crazy ness no sightings ?? u guys r and r u crack resurch team are allways on it..
so i am thing they r in some remote place, maby they r mingling with the suvivors on some island some where?? omg!!!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on December 12, 2009, 12:31:48 PM
so i'm thinking they've spent the last few legs in Africa

but hey, even certain parts of Eastern Europe could easily go without ANY sightings until WAY later

but maybe there'll be a sighting today or tomorrow...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Ryan83 on December 12, 2009, 01:20:01 PM
well in the next 8 or so days they will be back in America wrapping it up. So whatever 5 teams we see in America will let us know a good amount. Put where in America will they finish this year... Im thinking Florida or Seattle or something along those lines ha
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on December 12, 2009, 01:27:35 PM
well in the next 8 or so days they will be back in America wrapping it up. So whatever 5 teams we see in America will let us know a good amount. Put where in America will they finish this year... Im thinking Florida or Seattle or something along those lines ha

You mean six. Generally there are three decoy teams. :tup:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on December 12, 2009, 01:28:42 PM
^ ^ According to that timeline, that could mean we are already in Leg 7 or Leg 8. I wonder why we have heard so little compared to TAR15. :duno:

I hope we hear something soon... :(

Yeah, but at the same time, not knowing will make the season much more exciting when it airs.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Ryan83 on December 12, 2009, 01:29:39 PM
well in the next 8 or so days they will be back in America wrapping it up. So whatever 5 teams we see in America will let us know a good amount. Put where in America will they finish this year... Im thinking Florida or Seattle or something along those lines ha

You mean six. Generally there are three decoy teams. :tup:

I dont care if they have 20 decoy teams, as long as i get a sighting haha. Your right though.  :jam: :jam:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DianeC on December 12, 2009, 01:31:29 PM
well in the next 8 or so days they will be back in America wrapping it up. So whatever 5 teams we see in America will let us know a good amount. Put where in America will they finish this year... Im thinking Florida or Seattle or something along those lines ha

You mean six. Generally there are three decoy teams. :tup:
Bring on Florida...That's where I'm from!!!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on December 12, 2009, 01:38:39 PM
well in the next 8 or so days they will be back in America wrapping it up. So whatever 5 teams we see in America will let us know a good amount. Put where in America will they finish this year... Im thinking Florida or Seattle or something along those lines ha

You mean six. Generally there are three decoy teams. :tup:
Bring on Florida...That's where I'm from!!!

Yes, it does seem about time for an east coast finish.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 12, 2009, 01:54:49 PM
Just saying guys...last season was a wonderful, exciting, unexpected gift to follow the race in LIVE time. They were also in cities and high-tech countries a lot of the time, making sightings much more likely.

This race is MUCH more the normal....this race will take hard work and a little luck from here on out... this is where our skills come in. We'll have loads of fun looking for them...things appear when you least expect it, photos get uploaded later, new friends come forth with sightings and info, screencaps get analyzed.

 If this is your first season with us, stick around. The fun is just beginning when the race is completed!

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 12, 2009, 02:03:46 PM
^ ^ According to that timeline, that could mean we are already in Leg 7 or Leg 8. I wonder why we have heard so little compared to TAR15. :duno:

I hope we hear something soon... :(

Yeah, but at the same time, not knowing will make the season much more exciting when it airs.

I really hope CBS doesn't spoil the route. It would be so much fun to actually figure it out like in the non-spoiled days! Besides, people are already going to go watch JeJo and Miss Teen.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 12, 2009, 02:05:24 PM
well in the next 8 or so days they will be back in America wrapping it up. So whatever 5 teams we see in America will let us know a good amount. Put where in America will they finish this year... Im thinking Florida or Seattle or something along those lines ha

You mean six. Generally there are three decoy teams. :tup:
Bring on Florida...That's where I'm from!!!

Yes, it does seem about time for an east coast finish.

If the race is circumnavigating the globe east this time, I don't see an East Coast finish. Probably San Diego/Seattle/SF. Of course, they could pull a great circle route just like TAR 7.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: slpdx on December 12, 2009, 03:21:14 PM
Would they go to Seattle so soon after finishing in the Northwest (Portland TAR 13)? 

Let's hope so,  when TAR 13 was here, it was all over the news.  The racers were running through downtown during the middle of the week, and all kinds of people were calling into radio/tv stations, etc., talking about what they saw.  Even when they left the city to surrounding areas, every location was outed.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 12, 2009, 03:40:41 PM
Let's take this to the speculation thread please...

:welcome: slpdx!! I remember that day..IT WAS A ZOO!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 12, 2009, 05:20:24 PM
^ ^ According to that timeline, that could mean we are already in Leg 7 or Leg 8. I wonder why we have heard so little compared to TAR15. :duno:

I hope we hear something soon... :(

Yeah, but at the same time, not knowing will make the season much more exciting when it airs.

That's very true! :drama
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on December 12, 2009, 05:31:48 PM
well in the next 8 or so days they will be back in America wrapping it up. So whatever 5 teams we see in America will let us know a good amount. Put where in America will they finish this year... Im thinking Florida or Seattle or something along those lines ha

You mean six. Generally there are three decoy teams. :tup:
Bring on Florida...That's where I'm from!!!

Yes, it does seem about time for an east coast finish.

If the race is circumnavigating the globe east this time, I don't see an East Coast finish. Probably San Diego/Seattle/SF. Of course, they could pull a great circle route just like TAR 7.

I wasn't speculating that it would finish on the east coast; I only meant that it should. :tup:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 12, 2009, 08:00:16 PM
^ ^ According to that timeline, that could mean we are already in Leg 7 or Leg 8. I wonder why we have heard so little compared to TAR15. :duno:

I hope we hear something soon... :(

Yeah, but at the same time, not knowing will make the season much more exciting when it airs.

I really hope CBS doesn't spoil the route. It would be so much fun to actually figure it out like in the non-spoiled days! Besides, people are already going to go watch JeJo and Miss Teen.

I disagree, I love being spoiled, I hate sitting in suspense not knowing.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on December 12, 2009, 08:42:34 PM
Let's take this to the speculation thread please...

:welcome: slpdx!! I remember that day..IT WAS A ZOO!


Uh, Peach, this is the speculation thread.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 12, 2009, 09:44:41 PM
It is now, after it all was moved over here.......but gee, thanks so much! What would I do without you?  :cmaslol
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Moo on December 12, 2009, 10:19:25 PM
Can we speculate that CBS revealed the route to us for the past three seasons is because we can outright trace where teams are going?

If we could not trace where they are right now, maybe CBS won't release it?

Oh yeah, this TAR is very exciting with the lack of spoilers, maybe TPTB and WRP are making sure that no leakages would happen and giving out suits to anyone they meet seeing the teams race.  :cmaslol :cmaslol :cmaslol :cmaslol :cmaslol
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Chateau d If on December 13, 2009, 12:47:41 AM
You got that right  :cmaslol

 :rules:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 13, 2009, 01:34:51 AM
You got that right  :cmaslol

 :rules:
We would have bailed you out Chateau  :cmaslol
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Coutzy on December 14, 2009, 12:44:46 PM
Dragging this over from Sightings...

# AUSTRALIA (Western Australia - Perth)
# BRUNEI DARUSSALAM (Bandar Seri Begawan)
# CHINA (Beijing, Shanghai) Sunset conflicts with given time
# HONG KONG (China)
# INDONESIA (central- Bali, Borneo, Celebes/Ujung Pandang) Peach thinks they wont use it  :cmaslol
# MACAU (Macao)
# MALAYSIA (Kuala Lumpur)
# MONGOLIA (Ulaanbaatar) No McDonalds
# PHILIPPINES (Manila) Blacklisted on http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html
# RUSSIA (ZONE 7- Irkutsk dst, Ulan-Ude dst, Bratsk dst, Ust'-Ordynsky dst) Sunset conflict
# SINGAPORE (Singapore)
# TAIWAN (Taipei)

That leaves us with:
# SINGAPORE (Singapore)
# TAIWAN (Taipei)
# MACAU (Macao)
# MALAYSIA (Kuala Lumpur)
# HONG KONG (China)
# AUSTRALIA (Western Australia - Perth)
# BRUNEI DARUSSALAM (Bandar Seri Begawan)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 12:48:06 PM
I don't think they'll be using Bali anytime soon either.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 14, 2009, 12:48:19 PM
Dragging this over from Sightings...

# AUSTRALIA (Western Australia - Perth)
# BRUNEI DARUSSALAM (Bandar Seri Begawan)
# CHINA (Beijing, Shanghai)
# HONG KONG (China)
# INDONESIA (central- Bali, Borneo, Celebes/Ujung Pandang)
# MACAU (Macao)
# MALAYSIA (Kuala Lumpur)
# MONGOLIA (Ulaanbaatar)
# PHILIPPINES (Manila) Blacklisted on http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html
# RUSSIA (ZONE 7- Irkutsk dst, Ulan-Ude dst, Bratsk dst, Ust'-Ordynsky dst)
# SINGAPORE (Singapore)
# TAIWAN (Taipei)

Joy of joys, only one of these places are locked out due to travel warnings.
Following this from the sightings thread - cross off Russia - the sun will have set by 5:45pm. Same with Beijing.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 12:52:56 PM
Heee...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_McDonald's_franchises
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Polarbear on December 14, 2009, 12:59:24 PM
Do you think the McDonalds is in an airport? (the bag)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: TARandJJFan on December 14, 2009, 01:12:30 PM
Dragging this over from Sightings...

# AUSTRALIA (Western Australia - Perth)
# BRUNEI DARUSSALAM (Bandar Seri Begawan)
# CHINA (Beijing, Shanghai)
# HONG KONG (China)
# INDONESIA (central- Bali, Borneo, Celebes/Ujung Pandang)
# MACAU (Macao)
# MALAYSIA (Kuala Lumpur)
# MONGOLIA (Ulaanbaatar)
# PHILIPPINES (Manila) Blacklisted on http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html
# RUSSIA (ZONE 7- Irkutsk dst, Ulan-Ude dst, Bratsk dst, Ust'-Ordynsky dst)
# SINGAPORE (Singapore)
# TAIWAN (Taipei)

Joy of joys, only one of these places are locked out due to travel warnings.
Following this from the sightings thread - cross off Russia - the sun will have set by 5:45pm. Same with Beijing.

You could actually cross a lot of those off due to the sun having set. In fact, the only place on that list that IS in the Southern Hemisphere is Australia. But, I don't know if it gets dark in the countries closer to the equator later or not.

 :cmas5
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: theschnauzers on December 14, 2009, 02:26:48 PM
Sunrise/sunset information is easily available through Weather Underground, http://www.wunderground.com (http://www.wunderground.com), and from what I understand, other websites as well.

For December 15th:

Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei Darussalam
(Bandar, Indonesia)
6:15 AM WIT     6:16 PM WIT

Perth, Australia
5:04 AM WST     7:18 PM WST

Shanghai, China
6:45 AM CST     4:52 PM CST

Hong Kong, China
6:56 AM CST     5:42 PM CST

Bali, Indonesia
Uses Jakarta, Indonesia)
5:32 AM WIT     6:02 PM WIT

Kuala Lumpur, MALAYSIA
7:10 AM MYT     7:07 PM MYT

Singapore, Singapore
6:57 AM SGT     7:00 PM SGT

Macao, MACAU
6:57 AM CST     5:44 PM CST

Taipei, TAIWAN
6:31 AM CST     5:06 PM CST

Assuming the longitude is being translated correctly, as well as the time, then quite a few of those locations would not match the bright daylight seen through the windows behind Phil in that photo.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 02:30:33 PM
That "bright daylight" looks to me as though it could also be artificial lighting.... like a well lit airport for example. If so, we can't make any intrepretations based on that.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Sailing on December 14, 2009, 02:47:14 PM
So is this picture of Phil eating a Big Mac from 2008 or recent?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: woden on December 14, 2009, 02:55:01 PM
Anyone else getting hungry from searching McDonald's pics?  :pickle:

The Changi Airport McDonald's (http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/samtcy/hong_kong_2006/1158381060/p1030872small.jpg/tpod.html) looks the most promising to me so far with the red wall at the cash registers/lighting combo, but nothing concrete.

There have been some murmurs here (http://forums.sgclub.com/singapore/amazing_race_singapore_230559.html) about the Race being in Singapore, fwiw.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ZBC Company on December 14, 2009, 03:21:01 PM
this just joke did if it rumors race in singporo it might race :cmaslol


but i think it were poeple around singporo think the school groupe that does that
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: cssmithvt on December 14, 2009, 03:23:22 PM
So is this picture of Phil eating a Big Mac from 2008 or recent?

Today....the guy who posted it hasn't posted anything else remotely TAR related before though from what I can tell...only thing close is the picture of the Wynn that I posted in the Tweets thread which I feel may confirm him as a staffer since it should be around the time of 15's final.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: chill_sd on December 14, 2009, 03:39:00 PM
TAR 15 was in Las Vegas around Aug 7 of this year.  The race hadn't even started in June when he posted that pic.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kittygoesmeow on December 14, 2009, 03:51:25 PM
As for the artificial lighting, FWIW, the McDonald's at the Shanghai Hongqiao airport looks like it can be accessed from outside...

But I think woden is on to something with Changi!! The background behind Phil is juuuuust barely visible behind the fence...plus the skylighting could definitely give off an outdoorsy feel!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: mjriches2005 on December 14, 2009, 04:14:43 PM
As for the artificial lighting, FWIW, the McDonald's at the Shanghai Hongqiao airport looks like it can be accessed from outside...

But I think woden is on to something with Changi!! The background behind Phil is juuuuust barely visible behind the fence...plus the skylighting could definitely give off an outdoorsy feel!

Yeah, Singapore could be the location of where that photo was taken.  I looked at pictures of the singapore airport mcdonalds on flickr and its very similar.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 04:18:10 PM
Neobie will be back online later tonight...but meanwhile he says that THIS:

Quote
yup, its in singapore. today a girl come to my store kinokuniya at takashimaya to ask me some questions regarding the race. ( how much is spent ) but didn not see a filming crew though.


>>is a bookstore on the 4th floor of a mall, and can't imagine why the race would be there.

Also:

THIS:

Quote
the amazing race cluebox at bukit batok, between bukit batok and jurong east

>>is apparently an out of the way spot with nothing major for racers either.

More from him later, but this doesn't sound very promising.

mj...why don't you post some of those pics? That would be helpful.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 14, 2009, 05:04:17 PM
I just read something about the McDonalds staff with red shirts in one of the other threads.

I don't know if this helps, but here in Sydney, Australia, they wear brown shirts at the McDonalds. It could be different for Perth though. :cmas5
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on December 14, 2009, 05:38:31 PM
I don't post here very often but always check out this site when the race in on. I'm from Sydney.

Two points I would like to make:

1. Photo of the McDonalds looks very Asian to me, looking at the people in the background and the layout etc. Could be a McDonalds in Kuala Lumpur airport cause I was there for 3 hours in transit a couple of years ago, I didn't recall a McDonalds there at the time but there was a Burger King layout very similar to that in the pic, a lot of the stores were enclosed rather than "open plan" stores. Perth airport is an open layout food court I think, so I wouldn't think its there. The major SE Asian airports are major hubs too so it could just be a transit thing. Hope they are on their way to Australia!

2. Germany speculation could be just Frankfurt airport which is a major hub airport so they could have gone from South America to Africa via Frankfurt.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ZBC Company on December 14, 2009, 05:41:23 PM
does that explain the money on promo season 15 of race now we spoler 16 of there that kind akward
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: KourtniRae on December 14, 2009, 05:55:22 PM
I am new here. I was looking for Singapore Mcdonalds airport. Than I found it was at terminal 3 and then I found this persons picture. It looks like the chairs could match and the wall off to the right in the photo. I am new here and not as good as you all are so wanted to post and let he "experts" take and look and let me know what they think. Here is the link to the flickr and photo.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danwoo/2317634535/

And in the tags it lists singapore, changi airport, mcdonalds, terminal 3. Hope this helps
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 06:10:53 PM
:welcome2: to RFF, KourtniRae!!

It is always a help to have extra info, thanks for sharing the pic.  And we were all new once! :waves:

I'm hoping some of our Singaporeans can tell us more, but even if it is Singapore airport, we need to remember that Singapore is a huge transit zone, doesn't mean they ran a leg there. .....

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: theschnauzers on December 14, 2009, 07:02:53 PM
In thinking about what Asian airports might have had a McDonalds for Phil to eat at, I seem to remember aired footage of some of the teams eating hamburgers at an airport with an McDonalds in an Asia-wait-for- flight or a layover during an early season TAR. I remember one of the teams was male-male, might have been one of the so-called "alpha male" teams. I doubt it was a more recent season simply because of the editing where we rarely saw such interactions.

If the teams went from South America to Africa and are now in Southeast Asia or Auctralia/New Zealand, then I could understand how Phil might be equally wanting something from McDonalds.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on December 14, 2009, 07:58:24 PM
Found a McDonald's photo from the Kuala Lumpur Airport website.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: heyhay28 on December 14, 2009, 08:19:47 PM
I think the picture is from Kuala Lumpur airport in Malaysia, a lady on a Big Brother board I post with found this picture of the area near the McDonalds in that airport

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z255/haileykey/klia_deepavali_kolam_mcdonalds.jpg)

Look at the backs of the chairs behind the kids on the left hand side of the picture they seem to match, same with the table tops, also lighting seems to be similar in both photos

Here is the picture of Phil to compare it with

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z255/haileykey/phil.jpg)

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Chateau d If on December 14, 2009, 08:27:20 PM
BINGO   :yess:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 08:29:34 PM
I like it too! Thanks!

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: woden on December 14, 2009, 08:31:08 PM
Think you've got it! Way to find those chairs!  :jam:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 08:35:30 PM
Hmmmm. We haven't been to KL since AllStars...the most spoiled leg ever until Chateau's this season.

Calling IZAD! :funny:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 14, 2009, 08:50:39 PM
heyhay is doing a hell of a job  :yess: :jam:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Izad on December 14, 2009, 08:53:25 PM
that is indeed KL!!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 08:57:26 PM
YAY!! Izad is in the house!!

:jumpy: :jumpy: (that was quick.... :funny:)

Can you work some magic?? :luvu:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Izad on December 14, 2009, 08:58:23 PM
but.. hang on.. the background doesn't seem to be right. I need some verification.. you guys know when the picture was taken?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Jobby on December 14, 2009, 08:59:30 PM
OMGGGGG. PHIL... ANYONE NEEDS ME TO DO SOME TAR DETECTING IN SINGAPORE?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on December 14, 2009, 09:00:20 PM
heyhay is doing a hell of a job  :yess: :jam:

What about me? :cmas13
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Neobie on December 14, 2009, 09:02:05 PM
Go for it Joab and Izad!

There are three McDonalds in Changi Airport, Singapore. I can safely say that it's not the one at Terminal 2 or the one at the Budget Terminal, but I'm not sure about the one in Terminal 3. You probably can't get sunlight from that one though.

Need me to ask my colleagues back at Changi? :cmaslol

(Those chairs are common to many of the McDonalds I've been to... You probably can't deduce much from that.)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 09:04:03 PM
but.. hang on.. the background doesn't seem to be right. I need some verification.. you guys know when the picture was taken?

exif data says 12-14 ~0500 Calif time.

read more starting here:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21193.msg502435.html#msg502435
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 09:06:06 PM
Yes Joab, go check it out please. The blog stuff in particular, doubtful as it is.

And yes Neobie!! please see what you can fnd!! Who needs  Arkansas anyway?? :lol3:

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Izad on December 14, 2009, 09:07:08 PM
the slanted glass windows and pillar does seem to indicate that it's like the one in KL. I'll drop by tonight and double confirm (in about 12 hours). If Phil is already here.. I'm guessing teams will be coming shortly.. within a day?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Jobby on December 14, 2009, 09:08:26 PM
If you ask me, the burger box that Phil's eating... we don't have a box in that colour for any of our burgers packaging. :cmaslol

It's safe to say, it's not Singapore. At least.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 09:09:17 PM
the slanted glass windows and pillar does seem to indicate that it's like the one in KL. I'll drop by tonight and double confirm (in about 12 hours). If Phil is already here.. I'm guessing teams will be coming shortly.. within a day?

Unless he is just leaving. :cmas5

I tend to have a meal at an airport much more often waiting for a plane than I do just after arriving...don't y'all?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 09:10:17 PM
If you ask me, the burger box that Phil's eating... we don't have a box in that colour for any of our burgers packaging. :cmaslol

It's safe to say, it's not Singapore. At least.

Something from Boingo upstream about chicken....
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: heyhay28 on December 14, 2009, 09:15:08 PM
but.. hang on.. the background doesn't seem to be right. I need some verification.. you guys know when the picture was taken?

exif data says 12-14 ~0500 Calif time.

read more starting here:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21193.msg502435.html#msg502435

I don't know what picture you were talking about but here is the info from the picture of the kids that we compared the picture of Phil too (in case that is the one you are wondering about)

dated 28/10/08
Found here
http://www.moodiereport.com/document.php?c_id=1178&doc_id=19015

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 09:18:02 PM
Phil's is what I was talking about.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: heyhay28 on December 14, 2009, 09:19:46 PM
Phil's is what I was talking about.

Yeah sorry I should have been more clear, I didn't know what picture the OP wanted more info on, since you posted the info about Phil's I figured I would just copy that post and add to it the info on the picture of the kids that way both pictures info was together and they got whatever they wanted...sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Izad on December 14, 2009, 09:20:47 PM
the slanted glass windows and pillar does seem to indicate that it's like the one in KL. I'll drop by tonight and double confirm (in about 12 hours). If Phil is already here.. I'm guessing teams will be coming shortly.. within a day?

Unless he is just leaving. :cmas5

I tend to have a meal at an airport much more often waiting for a plane than I do just after arriving...don't y'all?

Yup.. I was going to suggest that :) doesn't make sense for Phil to have a meal at the airport, unless it's a stop over.



and I feel embarassed for doing this.. :groan:  but I took this out of the trash to double confirm :

(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/c6b1594d75fe7eb4c06d969094ffe4ec5634a72.jpg)

this was a McDonald's chicken mcdeluxe box that I had yesterday. Looks similar.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Jobby on December 14, 2009, 09:22:01 PM
Definitely a match!

We don't have that in Singapore... not anywhere close. :cmaslol
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 09:24:33 PM
You are cracking me up!!   :cmaslol Thank goodness today wasn't trash day!  :jam:

And thanks heyhay!! Always nice to have everything together, I should have been clearer.  :cmas17
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Izad on December 14, 2009, 09:26:51 PM
*wipes keyboard clean*

 :cmas50 :cmas50 :cmas50

I do think it's just a stop over. So.. the teams might go through Singapore for all we know. I'll keep a look out for them tonight (wish I can take the day off from work for this!)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Jobby on December 14, 2009, 09:29:15 PM
Definitely. I'm trying to look up if anyone spotted the cluebox which people claimed they have spotted in Singapore as well! :cmas20
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 09:32:59 PM
*wipes keyboard clean*

 :cmas50 :cmas50 :cmas50

I do think it's just a stop over. So.. the teams might go through Singapore for all we know. I'll keep a look out for them tonight (wish I can take the day off from work for this!)

I don't know...KL seems a less likely transit zone to me than say, Singapore or Bangkok would be. I am wondering if they possibly could be starting out from there?? :duno: but something to consider.

I clearly need to go look at flights now...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on December 14, 2009, 09:35:53 PM
Still don't know how this can be Singapore. Ive been to at least 3 terminals in Singapore in my time (including the brand new one). They usually have an open plan store, not a store where you walk through a door into a room.

Also, the McDonalds packaging is very similar around the world and chairs are too.

This must be a transit stop, waiting for a departure. No evidence that they stopped in the country for a leg, however it could be the crew leaving straight after a pit stop for the next leg.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Jobby on December 14, 2009, 09:39:16 PM
RichInSydney, if TAR did come to S'pore and do a leg... it will not be quiet. :cmaslol

And it's not a Macs in S'pore as i've said before. We don't serve the burger that Phil was chomping down on. :cmaslol
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 14, 2009, 09:44:27 PM
heyhay is doing a hell of a job  :yess: :jam:

What about me? :cmas13
Sorry about that you get >>>>>>>>  :jam: :jam: :jam: :jam: :jam: :cmas26
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Izad on December 14, 2009, 09:45:27 PM

I don't know...KL seems a less likely transit zone to me than say, Singapore or Bangkok would be. I am wondering if they possibly could be starting out from there?? :duno: but something to consider.

I clearly need to go look at flights now...

Peach, keep me updated. If they are starting out from here, it only makes sense that Phil leaves at least a day earlier than the other teams. I'm going to the airport later tonight to check if it really fits the Phil picture... if it IS KLIA, I'll probably spend a couple of hours there.. you know.. just in case.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 09:47:03 PM
Still don't know how this can be Singapore. Ive been to at least 3 terminals in Singapore in my time (including the brand new one). They usually have an open plan store, not a store where you walk through a door into a room.

Also, the McDonalds packaging is very similar around the world and chairs are too.

This must be a transit stop, waiting for a departure. No evidence that they stopped in the country for a leg, however it could be the crew leaving straight after a pit stop for the next leg.

Okay...so we are thinking Phil is in KL, not Singapore.

The blog mentions of Singapore today were...less than convincing.

No one is saying anything yet, this is how we work...we have to consider all possibilities.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 09:49:26 PM
Great Izad!! here are some departures that I think would have been in the right time frame...(assuming pic was taken/tweeted about 5 AM my time, that is 6Pm KL time, 12-14.)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/flight%20info/TAR16PhilinKLdep6-7PM.jpg)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/flight%20info/TAR16PhilinKLdep7-8PM.jpg)


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/flight%20info/TAR16PhilinKLdep8-9PM.jpg)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 09:50:23 PM
Of course, if they are going to Bangkok, they can get ANYWHERE. :(
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 10:04:35 PM

I don't know...KL seems a less likely transit zone to me than say, Singapore or Bangkok would be. I am wondering if they possibly could be starting out from there?? :duno: but something to consider.

I clearly need to go look at flights now...

Peach, keep me updated. If they are starting out from here, it only makes sense that Phil leaves at least a day earlier than the other teams. I'm going to the airport later tonight to check if it really fits the Phil picture... if it IS KLIA, I'll probably spend a couple of hours there.. you know.. just in case.

Thanks so much IZAD!! Always a pleasure!! Buy yourself a Mac on me!!  :kisses And yes, I'll let you know if anything changes.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 14, 2009, 10:08:52 PM
I speculate a visit to Sabah or Sarawak, since Phil's in KL.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Jobby on December 14, 2009, 10:12:27 PM
Random note:

We're about to witness history in the making...

PEACH REACHING 20,000 VOTES. :cmaslol :cmaslol :cmaslol :cmaslol
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: TARandJJFan on December 14, 2009, 10:26:42 PM
I would bet, though, that if they were photographed eating at around 6pm their time that they wouldn't be getting on any flights departing before somewhere around 6:45. Airlines usually start boarding flights about 30 mins before departure time. I don't know about everyone else, but if I go somewhere to eat inside the airport while waiting on a connecting flight I usually try to make it back to the gate I'm supposed to board from at least 45 mins before my plane is supposed to leave.  :cmas5
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Jobby on December 14, 2009, 10:28:37 PM
A 7.30pm to 8.30pm flight, IMO.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on December 14, 2009, 10:45:51 PM
The McDonald's is in the International satelite terminal. For the crew to be travelling onto another domestic destination from this photo, I remember you get the train to the other terminal and have to pass customs. The domestic terminal does not have much there let alone a McDonalds. Therefore they must have been travelling onto another country when the photo was taken?

I suggest they could have either stopped in Malaysia before this photo (eg, Kuching, Sabah, etc)  then traveled back to KL and transit off to another country, or they are in transit from another country onto another country not stopping in Malaysia.

Brunei could be a possibility?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 14, 2009, 10:47:12 PM
A 7.30pm to 8.30pm flight, IMO.

Depatures 8-9PM added in.... ^^

And hey...give me some spoilers to work with and I could hit 30000 by morning!!

:talk
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 14, 2009, 11:42:36 PM
Random note:

We're about to witness history in the making...

PEACH REACHING 20,000 VOTES. :cmaslol :cmaslol :cmaslol :cmaslol
Congrats Peach! :kisses

Also, just my hunch, but according to my gut feeling, they're probably revisiting India. Then again, my gut had some recently digested McDonald's products in it! :cmaslol :cmas19
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Izad on December 15, 2009, 01:07:09 AM
Thanks rich. Unfortunately I can confirm that the Phil picture was not taken at the mcDonalds in KLIA or LCCT. Different seats and seating arrangents. (I just dropped by both locations to confirm it) :(

the tweet seems like it's in Javanese. Perhaps they're in Indonesia?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 15, 2009, 01:21:16 AM
Thanks rich. Unfortunately I can confirm that the Phil picture was not taken at the mcDonalds in KLIA or LCCT. Different seats and seating arrangents. (I just dropped by both locations to confirm it) :(

the tweet seems like it's in Javanese. Perhaps they're in Indonesia?
Thanks Izad  :kisses  :cmas20 and nice effort guys and gals!!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: TARandJJFan on December 15, 2009, 01:37:25 AM
Thanks rich. Unfortunately I can confirm that the Phil picture was not taken at the mcDonalds in KLIA or LCCT. Different seats and seating arrangents. (I just dropped by both locations to confirm it) :(

the tweet seems like it's in Javanese. Perhaps they're in Indonesia?

Can you access all the restaurants without going through security? I know most airports that I've been in the places that you eat are inside the security checkpoints.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Izad on December 15, 2009, 04:13:18 AM

Can you access all the restaurants without going through security? I know most airports that I've been in the places that you eat are inside the security checkpoints.

The McDonalds in KLIA and LCCT airports, yes. I double confirmed with my brother (who's a pilot).. while there are other restaurants,  he mentioned that there were no McDonalds within the satellite building in KLIA (the area past the customs and security checkpoints).. he better not accidentally 'forget' that there's one, though 
:meow:

(the picture with the schoolkids was taken at KLIA.. but not the one with Phil, unfortunately. The partitions were different, and so were the seats.. and the angle with the red wall is not the same as the one there :()
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Izad on December 15, 2009, 05:15:54 AM
FWIW, an indonesian friend roughly translated this for me

Quote
"seru kok, cuma gw peserta ya ngk mau ngurus -_____-

"it's happening (or exciting), except that i'm busy organizing" or "except i dont want to organize"? "peserta" would refer to racers.




Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2009, 06:40:37 AM
:ty Izad!! Sorry for the false alarm!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2009, 06:57:33 AM
i found this earlier today on Twitter - translated though google - i have no clue what it means but the language is indonesian.....so after this last post, i figured I'd post it!  HAHA   

adicahyo RT @MandaMarcella: RT @ditrr: Ehhh heksakra new year sekalian amazing race yuk hahahahah ngasal http://myloc.me/25Dzx


FWIW, an indonesian friend roughly translated this for me

Quote
"seru kok, cuma gw peserta ya ngk mau ngurus -_____-

"it's happening (or exciting), except that i'm busy organizing" or "except i dont want to organize"? "peserta" would refer to racers.


So looks what comes up. I really thought this sounds like a local race...but hmmmm. Could Phil have been in Jakarta?? ???

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/TAR16tweetinJavaneselocation12-14.jpg)

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2009, 07:10:58 AM
Maybe not: In response to apost talking about the Mcd's in Terminal 2.

 Jakarta - Terminal 2International ..... firdeboer_85 November, 2009
Upgradings and fast food.
Sorry,I just wanna update a few things about Jakarta airport.recently some McDonalds franchises were closed due to rights being revoked from the franchise holders in Jakarta.so the McD in Terminal 2 is now closed and replaced by a local fast food restaurant,Tony Jack's and is open 24hrs on the arrival level,so as the KFC if you're looking for an alternative.Some of the restaurants are also being upgraded,a few months after the toilets upgrading.but still all these upgradings can't change the atmosphere of the airport for those who stays overnight.Expect more of the same if you plan to sleep there during transit.Wonder if anybody have pictures of the airport here in this site,would be glad to take some pics on my next trip there.

http://www.sleepinginairports.net/list.asp?region=6&country=Indonesia&city=Jakarta&terminal=CGK
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2009, 07:20:19 AM
Not Suvarnabhumi according to this list:
http://www.bangkokairportonline.com/node/131
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Izad on December 15, 2009, 08:04:59 AM
:ty Izad!! Sorry for the false alarm!

oh please.. you know I live for these things  :kisses

and yes, my brother double confirmed that there is no  McDonalds within the satellite building of KLIA :meow:


There's a McDonalds at Kota Kinabalu International Airport though, which is in Borneo (I believe they were there for TAR4)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2009, 09:39:49 AM
I am now thinking it wasn't at an airport at all. :groan:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2009, 10:00:43 AM
Here is the Borneo one...chairs and tables  and light could match...but in this shot no walls or partitions.

(http://i48.[banned image hosting site].com/awcaoy.jpg)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DianeC on December 15, 2009, 10:14:17 AM
Could they be here after seeing ob-bi-do's post in Tweets:

http://www.geographia.com/malaysia/sabah.html

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2009, 10:31:12 AM
We need to see....it could be a local race. Am asking.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Coutzy on December 15, 2009, 10:33:56 AM
*Silently prepares the congratulations smileys* :sneak
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Izad on December 15, 2009, 11:19:16 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DcTMU90U7yc/SVND_Ztuo7I/AAAAAAAAAH0/RspDCMCcqMA/s1600/DSC00297.JPG)


This one's in Penang International Airport which is just south of Thailand. (fwiw the partition looks the same)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: woden on December 15, 2009, 11:31:56 AM

This one's in Penang International Airport which is just south of Thailand. (fwiw the partition looks the same)

Ooh, I like this one, Izad!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Boingo on December 15, 2009, 11:51:19 AM
 :cmas16 good one, Izad.  Partitions match, check...chairs/tables match, check.... red wall match, check...  looks like Phil would be sitting on the other side of that partition ....  

...here's another view, note red wall and what's behind it....

here's the address: (note, it's in the departure area...)

McDonald's Penang Airport
Lot PC 05, Departure Level,
Penang International Airport,
11900 Bayan Lepas
Tel : 04 - 643 0444
Fax : 04 - 644 5189
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: walkingpneumonia on December 15, 2009, 11:52:40 AM

This one's in Penang International Airport which is just south of Thailand. (fwiw the partition looks the same)

Ooh, I like this one, Izad!
So if it is PEN - here are the flights leaving there on Dec.14 after 17:30.
Where is Phil going?????

KUL Kuala Lumpur MH 1155   Malaysia Airline 17:35
SIN Singapore MI 355 Silkair 18:05
LGK Langkawi FY 1016   Firefly 18:10
KCH Kuching AK 6506   Airasia 18:25
SZB Kuala Lumpur FY 2093   Firefly 18:50
KUL Kuala Lumpur MH 1161   Malaysia Airline 19:35
MES Medan QZ 8075   Indonesia AirAsia 19:55
SZB Kuala Lumpur FY 2095   Firefly 20:00
BKK Bangkok LD 832   AHK 20:05
SIN Singapore TR 427   Tiger Airways 20:15
KUL Kuala Lumpur MH 1165   Malaysia Airline 20:35
KUL Kuala Lumpur AK 5375   Airasia 21:00
SIN Singapore MI 357   Silkair 21:15
KUL Kuala Lumpur MH 1167   Malaysia Airline 21:45
KUL Kuala Lumpur AK 5369   Airasia 22:25
SZB Kuala Lumpur FY 2097   Firefly 22:50

Based on the number of flights - I guess Kuala Lumpur - this is just spec though...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ZBC Company on December 15, 2009, 02:08:33 PM
and as been speclutar that poeple run across singporo it might local race
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ltvols on December 15, 2009, 02:32:37 PM
The only difference I see with Phil's pic and this pic of McD's in penang is that the corner of the red wall in phil's pic doesn't turn the corner like it does in the penang pic....other than that, the partitions, tables and chairs are similar.   
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Boingo on December 15, 2009, 03:11:10 PM
Here's another view of McD showing the windows.   :cmaslol  Looks like food court seating... so Phil was right out there in the open.   :cmas19
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on December 15, 2009, 03:43:24 PM
These type of chairs are similar in a lot of McDonalds. I saw a McDonalds ad on TV in Australia today and they look very similar to the ones in the pic.

Could be anywhere, there are a bazillion Maccas in the world! lol.

By the way, the pic of the McDonalds in Kota Kinabalu (Sabah) looks odd.. I was there 3 years ago and they have the most basic old terminal possible... plus cant recall a McDonalds in the whole place! Looks nothing like that in the pic.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2009, 06:16:44 PM
I can't imagine a more special way to celebrate 20,000 posts than  to say

THANK YOU EVERYONE !!

It is you all who provide the fun and the inspiration and make every single day here a joy!



:talk
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 15, 2009, 06:26:10 PM
If the race really does take about 20-21 days to run, then wouldn't that mean they'd be back in the US very soon? It started 11/28, today is the 15th, that's 17 days.....so another couple days and they'd be in the US and they're bound to be spotted........
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: caper on December 15, 2009, 06:59:04 PM
Congrats Peach on your 20000th post :xmas146! :cmas51  :cmas16 Keep up the amazing sleuth-work!!! :xmas49
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2009, 07:14:27 PM
Okay, back to business.

Just want to summarize a few things we have been working on today.

Thanks to Izad's help, we have been able to

1) rule out KL as the site of the McPhilgate photo, as well as the Kota Kinabalu airport McDonald's.

2) Pretty much confirm Penang as the same site:

This photo album from Izad has more Penang airport McD pics which convinced me.:

http://s150pranginmall.blogspot.com/2008/12/mcdonalds-penang-international-airport.html

So Phil was either waiting for a flight out of Penang (seems quite likely to me), or transiting (seems unlikely after reviewing the flight data). It IS possible that there still could be a better match somewhere, but for now this seems to fit.

=========================================

Also, this post does not appear to be related to our race.  But :thankyou: ob-la-di-ob-la-da for the sharp eye!!

Quote
Today -> AMAZING RACE!!pit stop-*tuaran-inanam-bundusan-lintas-sempelang-tg aru-wisma merdeka-karamunsing-lintas-sempelang* =.='

Again with Izad's help, and after painstakingly translating her dialect, it seems as though she is a makeup artist who does weddings. etc and has been running her own amazing race around town. Still hoping for direct confirmation, but feel fairly safe in saying not us.

================================================

And lastly...re Singapore. Joab is doing some legwork today for us so hope to have an update soon. But this appears to NOT be TAR 16 either. We are thinking that this could be a local race, of which there are many in Singapore.

Here is one scheduled for now that includes an "amazing race"...

http://www.brudirect.com/index.php/2009121412311/Local-News/binding-ties-through-adventure-camp-in-singapore.html

Quote
Twenty students from Brunei will continue the journey that promotes understanding, collaboration and friendship amongst their Singaporean counterparts in the 3rd Singapore-Brunei Adventure Camp 2009.

Accompanying the visiting entourage are four selected teachers. The group departed for Singapore yesterday to begin their remarkable journey from December 14 to 18.
Their pre-scheduled activities include dragon boating, amazing race, log climbing, zip line, visits, telepath, abseiling, challenge pole, nature walk and performances, among others.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hellataz on December 15, 2009, 07:20:15 PM
Not sure if this is something but i found it on facebook:

The 'Amazing Race' team we met in Bangkok airport won the race. Awesome:-)
2 hours ago

source:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=503459165&ref=ss#/profile.php?v=wall&ref=ss&id=503459165
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 15, 2009, 07:21:22 PM
Not sure if this is something but i found it on facebook:

The 'Amazing Race' team we met in Bangkok airport won the race. Awesome:-)
2 hours ago

source:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=503459165&ref=ss#/profile.php?v=wall&ref=ss&id=503459165

Meghan and Cheyne?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hellataz on December 15, 2009, 07:27:09 PM
Not sure if this is something but i found it on facebook:

The 'Amazing Race' team we met in Bangkok airport won the race. Awesome:-)
2 hours ago

source:
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=503459165&ref=ss#/profile.php?v=wall&ref=ss&id=503459165

Meghan and Cheyne?

Are they in Bangkok? I wasn't thinking necessarily the race as a whole, but maybe the team she met won that leg of the race they were on.

also saw this one sided convo on twitter, couldn't see the other tweets cause they were protected.

From Tweeter IainnB

@bvydra That sounds like awesome fun. You could have filmed it and made your own show: "Couples who hate each other"
13 minutes ago from TweetDeck

@bvydra Maybe they were being filmed for The Amazing Race.
about 2 hours ago from TweetDeck

Edit to add, this person is in Australia
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DianeC on December 15, 2009, 07:28:01 PM
vou ver the amazing race 14x03
less than a minute ago from web

This person is in Brazil..is this possible?

Google translation
I see the amazing race 14x03
less than a minute ago from web
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hellataz on December 15, 2009, 07:44:14 PM
They are probably talking about watching season 14 episode 3. 14x3 is sometimes how downloaded shows are referred to online.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Chateau d If on December 15, 2009, 07:49:33 PM
 :cmas26

Yeah Peach!  Your 1st 20K !

Keep running  :cmas9
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DianeC on December 15, 2009, 07:49:55 PM
 :cmas4
Hi Taz....Ahhh ..now that makes sense...Thx for the help & decoding!!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2009, 08:18:50 PM
I can tell you with certainty that TAR 16 has not finished yet, so that comment has to refer to M/C last season. Darn them for not posting about it then!!  :cmaslol

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Neobie on December 15, 2009, 08:34:02 PM
Congrats, Peach! :cmas26

My friends working at Changi have confirmed (re-confirmed, after Joab) that this is none of the three McDonald's in Singapore. Oh, well!

Quote
tuaran-inanam-bundusan-lintas-sempelang-tg aru-wisma merdeka-karamunsing-lintas-sempelang

Was just in Sabah over the summer! Tanjung Aru is the train station in Kota Kinabalu, and Inanam is the long-distance bus station. Already too much public transportation for our WRP producers! :cmaslol
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hellataz on December 15, 2009, 08:49:38 PM
The guy talking about the team fighting being filmed for TAR wrote back and said:
"Mention of TAR was purely a reference to Johnathan & Victoria."
So yet another bust.  :cmas4
Too bad i was hoping they would be going to Australia.

Also now that i think about it, that facebook post could be referring to a past meeting of a team at the airport. Dang it you TAR dectetives make this look easy, it's not...  :groan:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2009, 09:39:40 PM
Some seasons are easier than others, this one is making us all work. And Twitter has added a whole new dimension, thank you all for keeping up with them!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: michael on December 15, 2009, 09:41:25 PM
Some seasons are easier than others, this one is making us all work. And Twitter has added a whole new dimension, thank you all for keeping up with them!

And it's kind of Ironic that a season with people who are previously have known has barely been spoiled at all so far! If this holds up it will make the actual season so much fun in a way, trying to dissect the promos to see what happens, when, and how the episode will work out.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Izad on December 15, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
Congrats on the 20K, Peach  :yess: :cmas26

Rich, I too was surprised when I saw the pictures of the KK airport. Apparently they had a makeover in 2008.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 15, 2009, 10:11:02 PM
I still really think that once the race moves into it's final leg, in the US, we're going to have sightings coming out of our ears, especially if JeJo are one of the final three teams.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Ryan83 on December 15, 2009, 10:35:17 PM
I still really think that once the race moves into it's final leg, in the US, we're going to have sightings coming out of our ears, especially if JeJo are one of the final three teams.

Just BC JeJo race in the US doesnt mean they are final 3. BC there are 3 real teams and 3 decoy teams. So they could be either or, but there will be 6 teams racing in the US.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on December 15, 2009, 10:56:10 PM
I still really think that once the race moves into it's final leg, in the US, we're going to have sightings coming out of our ears, especially if JeJo are one of the final three teams.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were. Mainly because they are carryovers from another show, and people who are already well known tend to do better than the "regulars." :P
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 15, 2009, 10:57:04 PM
Congrats Peach! :jam: :cmas26 :cmas9
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2009, 10:57:37 PM
I still really think that once the race moves into it's final leg, in the US, we're going to have sightings coming out of our ears, especially if JeJo are one of the final three teams.

This might be a good time to say then...think before you post. If you truly love the race as we do, you will not do anything that might impede the finale. Can you imagine the final 3 having to dodge a huge crowd of BB lovers on the way to the Mat? A ruined finale could cause the entire season to be scrapped. So think. This season in particular.

We want the finale to be able to be shot in peace. So if you find something related to the finale, think. You may want to consider checking with puddin or me before you post, to see if the info is safe to share, or whether it could impede filming. We did this in Portland when we knew the final location well ahead of time, and it all  worked out. It didn't hurt the spoilers to delay the end location reveal a day or so until the racers were safe. And it may have helped TAR...and we all want more TAR, right??

Twitter may preclude this, we'll have to see. We may not have the luxury of choosing what to reveal. I expect that the city itself may end up being revealed by sightings. But our hope is to have the finale shot in peace...... and THEN we can go to town!!  :yess:

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.  :cmaslol
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on December 15, 2009, 10:59:25 PM
Happy 20,000, Peach! :cmas9 :cmas26 :cmas23
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2009, 11:02:40 PM
Thank you Chateau and Neobie and Izad and racer and Hooky!   :kisses
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: TARandJJFan on December 16, 2009, 12:05:58 AM
The new pic posted in the tweets thread sure does look like our TAR. Now that I think about it, the departure list of flights leaving from the airport that it's now believed Phil was at did include quite a few flights to Singapore. In fact, it was basically either Singapore or Kuala Limpur.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hellataz on December 16, 2009, 12:27:35 AM
I still really think that once the race moves into it's final leg, in the US, we're going to have sightings coming out of our ears, especially if JeJo are one of the final three teams.

This might be a good time to say then...think before you post. If you truly love the race as we do, you will not do anything that might impede the finale. Can you imagine the final 3 having to dodge a huge crowd of BB lovers on the way to the Mat? A ruined finale could cause the entire season to be scrapped. So think. This season in particular.

We want the finale to be able to be shot in peace. So if you find something related to the finale, think. You may want to consider checking with puddin or me before you post, to see if the info is safe to share, or whether it could impede filming. We did this in Portland when we knew the final location well ahead of time, and it all  worked out. It didn't hurt the spoilers to delay the end location reveal a day or so until the racers were safe. And it may have helped TAR...and we all want more TAR, right??

Twitter may preclude this, we'll have to see. We may not have the luxury of choosing what to reveal. I expect that the city itself may end up being revealed by sightings. But our hope is to have the finale shot in peace...... and THEN we can go to town!!  :yess:

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.  :cmaslol

Has this happened in the past? I can't honestly see a crowd of BB fans interferring with the finale. First of all, it's kinda hard to get that many BB fans together in one place without proper notice and secondly at the very least, you'd think the TAR producers could mange some crowd control staffers to keep the race path clear. I wont speak for any other BB fan or jejo fans, but if it was me and i managed to catch the finale leg live, I would just sit back and watch, even if your intentions were to try and help JEJO, why would you want to be responsible for endless board chatter about how JEJO only won cause their fans impeded the other racers. If Jeff and Jordan get far in this race, i want them to get full credit for doing a great job, not have their racing ability questioned.

The Truth is that Phil is probably more recognizable then JEJO. As popular as this last season of BB was, it still dosen't compete with TAR ratings. So I guess thats why i couldn't imagine an incident as you described.

That said GO TEAM JEJO  :cmas9 And I yeild to all you awesome TAR chasers here, I suck at it and am in awe of your tenacity.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Coutzy on December 16, 2009, 12:32:15 AM
I still really think that once the race moves into it's final leg, in the US, we're going to have sightings coming out of our ears, especially if JeJo are one of the final three teams.

This might be a good time to say then...think before you post. If you truly love the race as we do, you will not do anything that might impede the finale. Can you imagine the final 3 having to dodge a huge crowd of BB lovers on the way to the Mat? A ruined finale could cause the entire season to be scrapped. So think. This season in particular.

We want the finale to be able to be shot in peace. So if you find something related to the finale, think. You may want to consider checking with puddin or me before you post, to see if the info is safe to share, or whether it could impede filming. We did this in Portland when we knew the final location well ahead of time, and it all  worked out. It didn't hurt the spoilers to delay the end location reveal a day or so until the racers were safe. And it may have helped TAR...and we all want more TAR, right??

Twitter may preclude this, we'll have to see. We may not have the luxury of choosing what to reveal. I expect that the city itself may end up being revealed by sightings. But our hope is to have the finale shot in peace...... and THEN we can go to town!!  :yess:

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.  :cmaslol

Hurt my scores in the prediction games though.  :knuckles:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2009, 01:10:15 AM
I still really think that once the race moves into it's final leg, in the US, we're going to have sightings coming out of our ears, especially if JeJo are one of the final three teams.

This might be a good time to say then...think before you post. If you truly love the race as we do, you will not do anything that might impede the finale. Can you imagine the final 3 having to dodge a huge crowd of BB lovers on the way to the Mat? A ruined finale could cause the entire season to be scrapped. So think. This season in particular.

We want the finale to be able to be shot in peace. So if you find something related to the finale, think. You may want to consider checking with puddin or me before you post, to see if the info is safe to share, or whether it could impede filming. We did this in Portland when we knew the final location well ahead of time, and it all  worked out. It didn't hurt the spoilers to delay the end location reveal a day or so until the racers were safe. And it may have helped TAR...and we all want more TAR, right??

Twitter may preclude this, we'll have to see. We may not have the luxury of choosing what to reveal. I expect that the city itself may end up being revealed by sightings. But our hope is to have the finale shot in peace...... and THEN we can go to town!!  :yess:

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.  :cmaslol

Has this happened in the past? I can't honestly see a crowd of BB fans interferring with the finale. First of all, it's kinda hard to get that many BB fans together in one place without proper notice and secondly at the very least, you'd think the TAR producers could mange some crowd control staffers to keep the race path clear. I wont speak for any other BB fan or jejo fans, but if it was me and i managed to catch the finale leg live, I would just sit back and watch, even if your intentions were to try and help JEJO, why would you want to be responsible for endless board chatter about how JEJO only won cause their fans impeded the other racers. If Jeff and Jordan get far in this race, i want them to get full credit for doing a great job, not have their racing ability questioned.

The Truth is that Phil is probably more recognizable then JEJO. As popular as this last season of BB was, it still dosen't compete with TAR ratings. So I guess thats why i couldn't imagine an incident as you described.

That said GO TEAM JEJO  :cmas9 And I yeild to all you awesome TAR chasers here, I suck at it and am in awe of your tenacity.

Go read the thread when the race (TAR 13) finished in Portland...it was insane that day. And yes, had we posted the info we had, it could very well have ruined the finale.

I am not saying just BB fans, but TAR fans, curiousity seekers, media...all that changes things. I just want us to be careful of the final location, is all.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hellataz on December 16, 2009, 01:26:35 AM
Go read the thread when the race (TAR 13) finished in Portland...it was insane that day. And yes, had we posted the info we had, it could very well have ruined the finale.

I am not saying just BB fans, but TAR fans, curiousity seekers, media...all that changes things. I just want us to be careful of the final location, is all.

Understandable, I mean i get people wanting to be there to watch it, but I guess it takes all kinds to try and interfer with the outcome. Heck I was mad at the train in season 6 that stopped Kris and Jon, and that was uncontrollable, I can't imagine how miffed i'd be if it was fans in the way.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2009, 04:15:39 AM
Okay...help me think this through.

We saw Phil at McD's in what we now believe is Penang airport about 5PM on the 14th.

Say he was done with teams by 2PM or so....and IF they had a 36 hour pitstop...then theoretically they could be released around 2AM on the 16th...in which case the first flight they could get puts them into Singapore 12-16 about 1045 AM on the 16th, giving them time to do tasks and be done before joab got there.


Right? or not?? ??? anyway...we should be able to figure out possible timings for the last leg or two...

Here are the Penang to Singapore flights for reference. First is the 15th, second is the 16th.



(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/flight%20info/TAR16flightsPENtoSingapore12-15.jpg)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2016/flight%20info/TAR16flightsPENtoSingapore12-16.jpg)

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2009, 04:21:08 AM
The point of this being that that teams could be going to the airport again soon, and oh wouldn't we love to know the next stop??  Sometime after 12-2AM if it is a 12 hour pitstop.... but prob can't get out so soon.

so someone checking the airport would be wonderful. :luvu:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Ryan83 on December 16, 2009, 05:08:19 AM
So if they had a 12 hr pitstop and leave pit between 12-2am. Then get the airport to fly out. There are a few popular cities.
Three flights to Johannesburg at 2:30am
Four flights to hong kong at 2:05am and one at 3am, tewo more at 6:50am
Four flights to Bangkok one at 3:30am and one at 3:55 am, two more at 6:45am
Two to Tokyo both at 6am
Three to Kuala Lumpur all at 6:45am
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Izad on December 16, 2009, 06:16:53 AM
Assuming that they came from Penang, I think we can safely rule out KL as their next destination, since Singapore is already a main hub in the region.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Jobby on December 16, 2009, 07:36:30 AM
The problem is that Singapore is considered as a regional hub and you can fly to anywhere.... technically.

I speculate that it's either another asian stop next, then the finale.

OR, Australia or New Zealand, then back to the USA. :cmaslol
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Mister RC on December 16, 2009, 08:43:13 AM
Quote
Go read the thread when the race (TAR 13) finished in Portland...it was insane that day. And yes, had we posted the info we had, it could very well have ruined the finale.

I am not saying just BB fans, but TAR fans, curiousity seekers, media...all that changes things. I just want us to be careful of the final location, is all.

And that's fair enough.  It was bad enough that people learned about the JoJe racing, straight from EW and media articles, before they even finished racing, let alone before the race even aired on television!  Same deal with Maria & Tiffany (though it wasn't as epic until later on).  Some people actually choose to avoid knowing who's racing until it's made official.  That shouldn't be a big deal as most of the stars are unknown.  It's a different story, however, with an all-star season.

At the end of the day, not knowing the final stuff is definitely important, at least this early on between present time and the finale.  Maybe as we get close it wouldn't matter.  But not early.  It still sucks back during TAR7 & TAR8 when the winner was sort of disclosed (with the family edition it was worse, because people knew before the season even started).


Anyway, back to speculation on where everything is going to end.  I also thing New Zealand is possible, given the course so far.  However, if they enter the US from there or Asia, I wouldn't be surprised if the finish line is exactly where the start point was.  After the lack of trouble to start anywhere other than Los Angeles, I can't see them going all the way east right now.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Seattlite on December 16, 2009, 09:13:09 AM
I still think it is possible that they will head to Whistler before coming home.  They always seem to throw cold weather at the racers and where would it have been in this race?  I tried asking around Whistler last weekend but my baby detective skills were probably lacking.  There are a lot of TAR lovers in Canada and I would be watching.  Will keep my eyes open in Seattle for the finish also.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2009, 10:47:31 AM
Pure spec: My thought is if they did Africa, it is done and that's why we lost them.

Also, if they did Australia or NZ...same...done. There to Penang would be easy.

One more leg...then back to the West Coast for the finale prob Sat or Sun.

I like Canada as well, there were lots of VERY vague rumors around this season...but they might want to wait til TAR 17 as well. :duno:

Coming back via Hawaii to clear customs is def possible, in which case LAX is a good entry point with PLEASE :lol: ongoing flights to any West Coast city.

IF they use Canada...then Victoria/Vancouver/Edmonton/Toronto are possible airports to watch for departures late Fri (crew) /very early Sat AM. (cast)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on December 16, 2009, 11:03:30 AM
they have been doing A LOT of West Coast finishes recently:
TAR 12 (Alaska)
TAR 13 (Portland, Oregon)
TAR 14 (Hawaii)
TAR 15 (Las Vegas, Nevada)

If they continue with the pattern, which IMO is most likely, then we have these possibilities:
Seattle, WA
San Fran/San Jose, CA  :yess:
Los Angeles, CA  :groan:
San Diego, CA
Phoenix, AZ
and even Boise, ID  :cmaslol
and if they really wanted to stretch, they could go to Salt Lake City, UT
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ltvols on December 16, 2009, 11:20:28 AM
a picture of the marina barrage (mentioned in someones blog about seeing film crew) was just posted in sightings forum.   it looks like the perfect pit stop.   If it is the pit stop, could it be possible for the teams to be on their "who knows how long" mandatory rest period?   Also, if this is correct information and we are so close to the end, could we be seeing or hearing about decoy racers too?  
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2009, 11:37:04 AM
If they saw racers at 7AM, then that should have been before the icecream sighting...

And yes, decoys are very likely at this stage.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ltvols on December 16, 2009, 12:39:47 PM
so, if the blogger saw what she thought was amazing race film crew and two racers and thought perhaps it was Amazing Race Asia - can we speculate that the Asian team are still in the race?  Also - after re-reading the blog, they had to wake up at 7ish which means they could have been at the marina a little later than 7am. 
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2009, 12:58:37 PM
Anyone in Singapore right now? An airport check around 8-9 am could perhaps be lucky!!  :cmas16
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: WalterC on December 16, 2009, 01:40:07 PM
they have been doing A LOT of West Coast finishes recently:
TAR 12 (Alaska)
TAR 13 (Portland, Oregon)
TAR 14 (Hawaii)
TAR 15 (Las Vegas, Nevada)

If they continue with the pattern, which IMO is most likely, then we have these possibilities:
Seattle, WA
San Fran/San Jose, CA  :yess:
Los Angeles, CA  :groan:
San Diego, CA
Phoenix, AZ
and even Boise, ID  :cmaslol
and if they really wanted to stretch, they could go to Salt Lake City, UT

Plus TAR11 finished in San Francisco. I was just thinking of that pattern, and thought Boise would be next. :)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Chateau d If on December 16, 2009, 03:48:25 PM
If they saw racers at 7AM, then that should have been before the icecream sighting...

And yes, decoys are very likely at this stage.

My reading on the blog was that they woke up at 7 am from their homes.  Got their picnic supplies loaded up.  Drove to the marina.  Wanted to go up the the grassy area.  Encountered production barricades.  Elected to have the picnic below.  Had the picnic.  Saw racers sometime before they left the marina.

That's why I thought the sighting could be sometime around noon.  Typical end of leg time, no?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ltvols on December 16, 2009, 04:17:45 PM
That's how I read it so if the leg ended around noonish, with the 12 hour or more mandatory pit stop, it would have put them at the airport (if indeed they were leaving singapore after that) not before midnight.   If perhaps it was later in the day, it could put them at the airport NOW for an mid morning departure!  Right now, it's 6:17 am
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Jobby on December 16, 2009, 04:57:19 PM
Now, the Marina Barrage is a perfect pitstop. I was somewhere near there ytd as well!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on December 16, 2009, 05:46:59 PM
Sorry but I'm a bit lost from all these posts... can someone answer me these questions and/or give me a recap of recent events...

1. Who spotted the cameraman in Singapore at the ice cream shop? Is this confirmed for US TAR16? If not, what are the possibilities? TAR Asia?

2. Is Phil, McDonalds photo confirmed as Penang on the 14th Dec? How come the guy who posted it on twitter hasnt given any further info?

3. How does Kota Kinabalu come into this?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on December 16, 2009, 05:49:32 PM
and even Boise, ID  :cmaslol
and if they really wanted to stretch, they could go to Salt Lake City, UT

Watch what you say! :cmas28 :ythat:

And given this that was just posted...

One more Facebook post, from someone in Singapore 2 hours ago (5:30am, Singapore time):

Thank you guys.... check out the AMAZING RACE ASIA...... Saw the filming at Singapore flyer & Sentosa. Due the the show, they close the flyer from public until 12.30pm, we were way too early...end up took the flyer in the evening. A great trip..




I speculate that this is actually TAR Asia and that we may very well have been fooled.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on December 16, 2009, 06:04:48 PM
So if they had a 12 hr pitstop and leave pit between 12-2am. Then get the airport to fly out. There are a few popular cities.
Three flights to Johannesburg at 2:30am
Four flights to hong kong at 2:05am and one at 3am, two more at 6:50am
Four flights to Bangkok one at 3:30am and one at 3:55 am, two more at 6:45am
Two to Tokyo both at 6am
Three to Kuala Lumpur all at 6:45am

Ryan,
It's important to sort out the easterly destinations from the westerly. The probability that the Amazing Race would use Penang, Singapore or Malaysia as the turning point to head back west to reach the U.S. is negligible, so that would indicate Johannesburg does not need further consideration. The next stop could be in Bangkok (just a little west but also north which is crucial at some point), Tokyo(although that was just done in AR15; however, a connection in Narita is a possibility from wherever the next stop is), Kuala Lumpur or about 14 other large metropolitan areas in East Asia. Here are some possiblities, several of which have had recent Amazing Races visit:

Kuala Lumpur
Bali
Jakarta
Bangkok
Vientiane
Phnom Penh
Ho Chi Minh City
Hanoi
Guangzhou
Chongqing
Xian
Shanghai
Beijing
Taipei
Osaka
Seoul

All 17 have approximately the same low probability, maybe in the 3% range.

I like the prospects for a stop in Australia or New Zealand as the way back to the U.S., but it could be Manila, unvisited by the Amazing Race since AR5. I think all of these 3 possibilities have about a 10% to 15% probability each.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: fijibeachbum on December 16, 2009, 06:15:56 PM
While I have not a clue in the sleuthing aspect, I throw this out for the experts.
I fear that IF Manilla was the plan, there was a volcanic eruption in the Phillipines this morning. Could they have had to alter the plans? Just guessing....
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on December 16, 2009, 06:20:44 PM
While I have not a clue in the sleuthing aspect, I throw this out for the experts.
I fear that IF Manilla was the plan, there was a volcanic eruption in the Phillipines this morning. Could they have had to alter the plans? Just guessing....

That would be very strange and unprecedented if they did. Usually they plow ahead as planned, but I don't know what they would do in an event like this (maybe skip the leg altogether?). ???

They did skip a leg in the Family Edition, or so I have heard.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: fijibeachbum on December 16, 2009, 06:30:21 PM
According to the news reports, 30,000 to 50,000 people have been evacuated due to the early rumblings of the Mayon volcano in the Albay province in the central part of the country.  They began evacuating people as a precaution and are forecasting an imminent major eruption. Not sure if this would affect traveling into and out of the country or not. The area is about 300 miles south of Manila.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2009, 07:09:18 PM
TAR Asia is not filming ..........

http://twitter.com/wulander
http://www.wulander.com/
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kyla on December 16, 2009, 07:16:17 PM
this couple jordan and jeff i might be wrong but they look like them

Yes, that's them.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Moo on December 16, 2009, 07:17:15 PM
this couple jordan and jeff i might be wrong but they look like them

Yes, that's them.

It's them but they don't look race like or anything,..
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: jmb510 on December 16, 2009, 07:19:39 PM
this couple jordan and jeff i might be wrong but they look like them

Yes, that's them.

It's them but they don't look race like or anything,..
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Ryan83 on December 16, 2009, 07:21:20 PM
IMHO...thats a pretty odd photo for ppl on the Amazing Race... Maybe they were out the second leg?!?!? Just seems very odd. After racing you I dont think you can leave the pit stop, BC you have to have 12 hours of sleep. Maybe Mexico is were the eliminated house is at??? This just ruined my night if thats the case. Now I am down big time ha
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kyla on December 16, 2009, 07:23:00 PM
this couple jordan and jeff i might be wrong but they look like them

Yes, that's them.

It's them but they don't look race like or anything,..

I don't think so either. So could it be sequester? Or is that where one of the final legs are and they're with production as a decoy team. (but inbetween doing activities as the decoy team)
I guess that guy next to Jordan could be one of the other racers? There was an African American couple on the race too, I believe.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Ryan83 on December 16, 2009, 07:24:41 PM
IMHO the elimination station is in Mexico and they are already out and just enjoying there vaction. That STINKSSSSSSSSSSSS what else can go wrong this week with my life. I am down now!!! :cmas15 :cmas15 :cmas15 :cmas15
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 16, 2009, 07:26:22 PM
Someone just posted this on Jokersupdates!


http://s551.photobucket.com/albums/ii473/Toad_Kart/?action=view&current=15447_1167754394846_1257516399_3040.jpg

That was taken by one of my Mom's friends down in Mexico. She said they were watching a parade.

Did they say when it was taken? if it is from sequester, weird that they'd let them out to watch a parade, considering they're a higher profile team on the race. Obviously they're not "racing" because they don't have their packs on and wouldn't be wearing clothes like that if they were, but it's just bizarre that they'd be out in public like that and even if they were meant to be a decoy, you'd think they'd have them in racing gear. Color me confused.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 16, 2009, 07:28:38 PM
IMHO the elimination station is in Mexico and they are already out and just enjoying there vaction. That STINKSSSSSSSSSSSS what else can go wrong this week with my life. I am down now!!! :cmas15 :cmas15 :cmas15 :cmas15

I think Mexico makes sense as the Elimination Station too, but it's bizarre they'd let them out to see a parade, etc. because they know that more people who'd know JeJo would be there, get pics and throw them out into the internet cosmos........so weird!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Macaroons on December 16, 2009, 07:30:06 PM
Don't know if speculation is allowed in this topic - I'll remove it if not, but doesn't that look like the guy in the African-American couple beside Jordan??
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2009, 07:31:32 PM
Yes when in sequester they are allowed out to shop and do tours of the city and such, go watch the elimination station videos.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2009, 07:34:59 PM
They normally sequester the teams where they have had the most legs and we know they spent a lot of time on South America so Mexico is plausible.  Not looking good for JEJO fans.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ltvols on December 16, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
macaroons, i just looked up the picture of the racers in the contestants thread and YES, he does look like the same african - american racer.   I'd put money on the fact that this is the elimination station and that the early eliminated couples were at some type of parade.....Also, it lends credence to the people that, when they saw the teams in singapore, assumed it was TAR ASIA
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on December 16, 2009, 07:35:58 PM
Yes when in sequester they are allowed out to shop and do tours of the city and such, go watch the elimination station videos.

So its probable that they were one of the first six teams eliminated (usually the last three teams eliminated will stay with the other teams and do decoys) and with a large number of legs in South America, having Mexico as an sequester locations makes sense.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 16, 2009, 07:37:39 PM
Mexico actually totally makes sense for sequester, b/c it'd be quick to get them back to the US for the finale thingy, where the final teams race to the finish line and not as easy for people to spot them as it would be in the US.

I'm a huge JeJo fan, but yeah puddin, looks like they were eliminated. I still believe they made it through the first several legs though and at least made it to Germany, better than going out first!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 16, 2009, 07:40:05 PM
Yes when in sequester they are allowed out to shop and do tours of the city and such, go watch the elimination station videos.

Well that's cool though, at least if you're out of the race you're not locked up in some hotel room or villa, or something like that, at least you still get to have somewhat of a vacay. It was a long shot for them to win anyways, I just hope they had a good time and this race didn't kill their relationship (I don't think so). Sorry for the speculation on this, you can remove my posts since they don't have actual tweet info in them.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redskevin88 on December 16, 2009, 07:44:13 PM
Do you think all of this is for TARA?  (and they brought in their own celebs like TAR USA did?)


What are Marc/Rovilson? Also Prashant, Zabrina, Bernie and Tisha?

Anyhows, they aren't famous, but hey, I haven't heard of Mel White until AR14
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Mister RC on December 16, 2009, 07:48:01 PM
That's a shame for JeJo.  Doesn't change the fact that their out, but to have to find out like that right now is devastating.  Unless something very bizarre happens that has them in street clothes but still racing, it's not looking great at all for the BB fans (or for whomever hoped to bring in more people by casting them).  

Sucks that this would also mean the end of the African American couple, but as mentioned, I wouldn't have put them out in the open like that.  Sure they've done this in the past, but given how people have been trying very, very hard to get info on JeJo's status, I would have forgone that.  What's amazing is that someone got that photo but not much else since they left the US.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kimj on December 16, 2009, 07:49:36 PM
yes what's up with that
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 16, 2009, 07:51:44 PM
That's a shame for JeJo.  Doesn't change the fact that their out, but to have to find out like that right now is devastating.  Unless something very bizarre happens that has them in street clothes but still racing, it's not looking great at all for the BB fans (or for whomever hoped to bring in more people by casting them).  

Sucks that this would also mean the end of the African American couple, but as mentioned, I wouldn't have put them out in the open like that.  Sure they've done this in the past, but given how people have been trying very, very hard to get info on JeJo's status, I would have forgone that.  What's amazing is that someone got that photo but not much else since they left the US.

It is bizarre, especially with how tight security has been, remember the dude that got the pic at the pit stop? He said security was horribly tight and production was "mean", lol, so it's so weird someone could get a pic so close up. But still, it's obviously them, obviously Mexico.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kimj on December 16, 2009, 07:52:45 PM
is there anyway it's fake
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 16, 2009, 07:54:26 PM
is there anyway it's fake

How could it be fake?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on December 16, 2009, 07:55:33 PM
is there anyway it's fake

Nope. How can a picture be fake?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kimj on December 16, 2009, 07:57:32 PM
does anyone know who posted it  and  when it was taken
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Mandoli on December 16, 2009, 07:57:47 PM
is there anyway it's fake

Nope. How can a picture be fake?

Unless that's a real good Photoshop job. And I doubt someone did that good of a job with Photoshop.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 16, 2009, 07:58:28 PM
is there anyway it's fake

Nope. How can a picture be fake?

Yeah that, lol. Unless kimj was asking if it could be photoshopped or something, lol.

But honestly, and this is coming from the biggest JeJo fan around, or one of the biggest, lol, I think they're eliminated and having fun in Mexico.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kimj on December 16, 2009, 08:02:08 PM
i can't beleive you realy thought i thought it was fake get real i'm not stupied
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2009, 08:03:32 PM
Someone just posted this on Jokersupdates!


http://s551.photobucket.com/albums/ii473/Toad_Kart/?action=view&current=15447_1167754394846_1257516399_3040.jpg

That was taken by one of my Mom's friends down in Mexico. She said they were watching a parade.
I found the topic, picture credits to BBO (http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=BBMedia&Number=13245372&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=31&rc=&fpart=1)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: djochem on December 16, 2009, 08:06:12 PM
 :cmas51

I may be overly hopeful, but could this be them at a rest stop doing a little sightseeing?  Can't they spend some of the 12 hours rest time doing a little shopping or looking around?  It is hard to believe that they would be told not to leave their room or hotel for 12 hours.  Maybe some of you who know TAR real well can tell me if it is possible.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 16, 2009, 08:08:20 PM
i can't beleive you realy thought i thought it was fake get real i'm not stupied

Now I'm really confused b/c you did ask if there was a chance it could be fake.........guess I'm not sure how else we were supposed to take it, lol, but sorry to offend.

And while I know what I know from watching the show, I don't personally know the intimate details of what happens during the pit stop so technically it could be feasible they were at one, but I'm leaning towards the side of it being the ES.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on December 16, 2009, 08:09:05 PM
:cmas51

I may be overly hopeful, but could this be them at a rest stop doing a little sightseeing?  Can't they spend some of the 12 hours rest time doing a little shopping or looking around?  It is hard to believe that they would be told not to leave their room or hotel for 12 hours.  Maybe some of you who know TAR real well can tell me if it is possible.  Thanks.

At the end of TAR 15, they were completely secluded from the other teams, hence why Meghan/Cheyne and Sam/Dan didn't know who was joining them in the final 3 until the airport in Prague.

Earlier in the seasons, I think the restrictions are a little looser, but they aren't allowed to freely sight see during the pitstops.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Ryan83 on December 16, 2009, 08:09:43 PM
well what the time and date on the photo. if it was during the mexico legs then it could be a pit stop taking in the city type of thing. If it was a week ago then sad sad sad
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Mandoli on December 16, 2009, 08:10:07 PM
i can't beleive you realy thought i thought it was fake get real i'm not stupied

It never came off as "I think this is fake, and I want to know if it is". It just sounded like a question. And there were answers given. Geez...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on December 16, 2009, 08:11:11 PM
well what the time and date on the photo. if it was during the mexico legs then it could be a pit stop taking in the city type of thing. If it was a week ago then sad sad sad

There wasn't a Mexico leg (at least one that was confirmed).
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 16, 2009, 08:13:11 PM
The race ends in what, 3 days? Like another poster said, this close to end game they're not going to let them out and about if they're still in the race.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Ryan83 on December 16, 2009, 08:15:17 PM
well what the time and date on the photo. if it was during the mexico legs then it could be a pit stop taking in the city type of thing. If it was a week ago then sad sad sad

There wasn't a Mexico leg (at least one that was confirmed).

Well, I know. But how do we find the time and date stamp on the photo. Dont all photos have a time and date stamp.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Ryan83 on December 16, 2009, 08:18:02 PM
Jeff has this look about him. As if he is like "I went from the dumb 5 on BB, to the DUMB 2 on TAR." ha. How much do you want to bet. That Jeff had to drive, do directions and do everything by himself. I LOVEEEE Jordan, I watched BB 24 hours a day. So I know she is a great person but come on. One person cant win TAR all by themselfs. Thats why its a 2 person race. Sad part for Jeff he had to have Jordan on the race. We all know he wouldnt have picked her, he had to go with her if he wanted on. Thats what sucks!!! :cmas15 :cmas15 :cmas15
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 16, 2009, 08:20:07 PM
knock it off
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2009, 08:20:56 PM
Someone just posted this on Jokersupdates!


http://s551.photobucket.com/albums/ii473/Toad_Kart/?action=view&current=15447_1167754394846_1257516399_3040.jpg

That was taken by one of my Mom's friends down in Mexico. She said they were watching a parade.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Mandoli on December 16, 2009, 08:24:23 PM
The race ends in what, 3 days? Like another poster said, this close to end game they're not going to let them out and about if they're still in the race.

Depends on when the picture was taken. I don't think anyone found EXIF data for the photo yet...

(Okay, this is getting moved as well. I know it.)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 16, 2009, 08:26:31 PM
The race ends in what, 3 days? Like another poster said, this close to end game they're not going to let them out and about if they're still in the race.

Depends on when the picture was taken. I don't think anyone found EXIF data for the photo yet...

(Okay, this is getting moved as well. I know it.)

I have no clue what EXIF means, but it's a good point you made.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Ryan83 on December 16, 2009, 08:27:01 PM
knock it off
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 16, 2009, 08:30:08 PM
enough is enough!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Seattlite on December 16, 2009, 08:33:34 PM
Alan Wu is still blogging from home so I think this is our race in Singapore.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ltvols on December 16, 2009, 08:33:42 PM
based on confirmed sightings....is it possible that marina barrage (morning) was the first place they visited in singapore - then maybe to the ferris wheel (noonish) (roadblock) - then perhaps ice cream clue (end or beginning of detour).   Does anyone know how long before the teams arrive - do they do into filming?  
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2009, 08:44:54 PM
The race ends in what, 3 days? Like another poster said, this close to end game they're not going to let them out and about if they're still in the race.

Depends on when the picture was taken. I don't think anyone found EXIF data for the photo yet...

(Okay, this is getting moved as well. I know it.)

I have no clue what EXIF means, but it's a good point you made.
If BBO (http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=BBMedia&Number=13245372&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=31&rc=&fpart=1) uploaded his moms friends picture to his own photobucket account I don't think we could get any data? We need the original. 
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 16, 2009, 09:16:03 PM
Just an fyi regarding the picture, someone at a JeJo fan site pointed out that December 12th is the Festival of the Virgin Guadalupe in Puerto Vallarta (sp?) Mexico, I bet anything that's where that picture came from.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2009, 09:28:30 PM
TAR11 sequester was Acapulco, Mexico and I think TAR 9 stayed there as well. I'll have to ask.
TAR11 had 4 legs in South America and all the teams eliminated stayed in Acapulco, Mexico then Teri and Ian were eliminated in Africa but were also sequestered in Acapulco. They were the last team sequestered that season.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 16, 2009, 09:29:33 PM
TAR11 sequester was Acapulco, Mexico and I think TAR 9 stayed there as well. I'll have to ask.
TAR11 had 4 legs in South America and all the teams eliminated stayed in Acapulco, Mexico then Teri and Ian were eliminated in Africa but were also sequestered in Acapulco. They were the last team sequestered that season.

Yup, so Puerto Vallarta seems very plausible for the ES.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: fijibeachbum on December 16, 2009, 09:40:43 PM
Just an fyi regarding the picture, someone at a JeJo fan site pointed out that December 12th is the Festival of the Virgin Guadalupe in Puerto Vallarta (sp?) Mexico, I bet anything that's where that picture came from.

Also found this from a tourist bureau website... could be another reason they were out in the streets. Seems as if the city as a whole celebrates Guadalupe with processions from the first to the 12th, with the 12th Day the culmination of the processions, with all businesses taking part.
Also, December 12 - Anniversary of the foundation of Puerto Vallarta: Special ceremony at the City Hall Council, and Fiesta at the malecon. The founding of Puerto Vallarta by Don Guadalupe Sanchez Torres in 1851.
More food for thought.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: theschnauzers on December 16, 2009, 09:46:36 PM
The Cancun area was used for Sequesterville in TAR 2 and 4, IIRC.

One of the Cancun-area locations was used in TAR 3 as a pit stop. Lisbon was used in several early seasons as well. I'd be surprised if an Mexico location was used that wasn't well secluded; TPTB do try to prevent public exposure of the eliminated teams in Sequesterville.

I'm not as willing to assume that the JJ photo was taken since the date Race 16 began filming without some collaboration as to the date of the photo. Hearsay is circumstantial, it may or may not prove anything without other information.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2009, 09:52:34 PM
well I agree this could be part of the Male/Female AA team?

Maybe the BB fans that follow Jeff and Jordan could tell us if they have ever been to Mexico together?

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: heyhay28 on December 16, 2009, 09:53:40 PM
I don't know if this will help answer anything but this is some info people are finding over on the BB sight that might possibly tie the picture of Jeff and Jordan to Puerto Vallarta

A close up of the logo from the restaurant in Puerto Vallarta named Si Senor (apparently it is a chain restaurant started in New Mexico from what they can gather and this is the only location that has this specific logo or something)

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z255/haileykey/logo.png)

And here is a picture of the restaurant front in Puerto Vallarta

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z255/haileykey/PV-SiSenor1.jpg)

Also someone found this article don't know that it means anything but thought I would add it to the mix

http://www.onlinecasinogame.biz/2009/12/03/the-amazing-race-in-mexico/
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kyla on December 16, 2009, 09:57:41 PM
well I agree this could be part of the Male/Female AA team?

Maybe the BB fans that follow Jeff and Jordan could tell us if they have ever been to Mexico together?


Not unless they did it secretively. Which I don't think they did.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: heyhay28 on December 16, 2009, 10:01:54 PM
well I agree this could be part of the Male/Female AA team?

Maybe the BB fans that follow Jeff and Jordan could tell us if they have ever been to Mexico together?


Not unless they did it secretively. Which I don't think they did.

Yeah I was just coming to post that they have been pretty busy and on the go and traveling a lot since the show ended in September but I don't think they ever went to Mexico unless they were super quiet and secretive about it because the fans pretty much have known their whereabouts since the show ended.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 16, 2009, 10:04:56 PM
well I agree this could be part of the Male/Female AA team?

Maybe the BB fans that follow Jeff and Jordan could tell us if they have ever been to Mexico together?



Not that I'm aware of. Since the show they were in Seattle for the RealPlayer event, then LA to visit Jeffs' friends there, also there for the Really Awards. She's been to Chicago to meet his friends and family, he's been to Charlotte to meet hers. They were supposed to go to Florida to visit Casey but couldn't due to Jordan buying her house. Jeff was at the Star Bar in AR, but she didn't go with him. This is all in the space from Sept. 15th when BB ended and November 22nd, the day of the last tweet Jeff sent out.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kittygoesmeow on December 16, 2009, 10:09:55 PM
well I agree this could be part of the Male/Female AA team?

Maybe the BB fans that follow Jeff and Jordan could tell us if they have ever been to Mexico together?



I definitely think it's the male from the airport.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: heyhay28 on December 16, 2009, 10:12:45 PM
well I agree this could be part of the Male/Female AA team?

Maybe the BB fans that follow Jeff and Jordan could tell us if they have ever been to Mexico together?



Not that I'm aware of. Since the show they were in Seattle for the RealPlayer event, then LA to visit Jeffs' friends there, also there for the Really Awards. She's been to Chicago to meet his friends and family, he's been to Charlotte to meet hers. They were supposed to go to Florida to visit Casey but couldn't due to Jordan buying her house. Jeff was at the Star Bar in AR, but she didn't go with him. This is all in the space from Sept. 15th when BB ended and November 22nd, the day of the last tweet Jeff sent out.

Don't forget Jeff was back in Charlotte for Halloween and Jordan's Birthday on the 21st of November, they also were in LA to film the Bold and the Beautiful, and they went to Vegas right after the show ended for the charity function.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on December 16, 2009, 10:45:24 PM
TAR11 sequester was Acapulco, Mexico and I think TAR 9 stayed there as well. I'll have to ask.
TAR11 had 4 legs in South America and all the teams eliminated stayed in Acapulco, Mexico then Teri and Ian were eliminated in Africa but were also sequestered in Acapulco. They were the last team sequestered that season.

puddin is essentially correct on sequesters. I did not have the opportunity to check out AR9 or AR10, but once Elimination Station started it has been easy for AR11 - AR15. What I found was:

AR11 did send the first 5 eliminated teams, 4 from South America and Ian/Teri from Zanzibar Island to Casa Legouia, Acapulco
AR12 sent the first 5 teams thorugh Shana/Jennifer to the southwest coast of Portugal
AR13 sent the first 5 eliminated teams to Casa Legouia in Acapulco, 3 from South America, Marissa/Brooke from New Zealand and Aja/Ty from Angkor Wat.
Ar14 sent the first  eliminated 6 teams to Koh Samui, Thailand, through Mel/Michael in Phuket.
AR15 sent the first 6 teams to Phu Quoc, Vietnam through Canaan/Mika in Dubai.

It would be totally logical for the first 5 teams (apparently its capacity) to be sent to Casa Legouia, Acapulco.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on December 16, 2009, 10:47:34 PM
How come every time I leave all the good stuff happens?

Well I'll just add my :2cents:

To me this looks like ES. At ES they often have the racers do various things like watch parades, go sightseeing, etc. Assuming this was taken during the race, I would confirm this (in my mind) as ES. And that makes me happy! We won't have overexposure to the recycled team! :yess:

*Hides from all the Jeff & Jordan fans* :hides
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: heyhay28 on December 16, 2009, 10:52:04 PM
I think this picture was for sure taken in Puerto Vallarta

If you look at this google map link, you can see the exact street they are standing on, you can see the sign right behind Jeff (it is on the upper right hand side of the zoomed image) and you can see the street that they are looking down if you toggle around (N). The street where you see the beige car and the pickup truck parked is where Jeff and Jordan are standing (in the intersection) looking north.

http://maps.google.com/maps?source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=si+senor&sll=20.611251,-105.232093&sspn=0.003178,0.005681&ie=UTF8&radius=0.18&split=1&rq=1&ev=zi&hq=si+senor&hnear=&ll=20.611376,-105.231954&spn=0,359.994319&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=20.611778,-105.232885&panoid=Hz7AzWd_LXZDZf6vmABDog&cbp=12,158.75,,0,5

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z255/haileykey/nonamen.jpg)

Here's also another angle of the restaurant sign

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_9yUvrmTBNDE/SvIKw7BPvwI/AAAAAAAACVI/AC_W23L1ON0/s720/Puerto%20Vallarta%20October%202009%20186.jpg
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2009, 11:19:45 PM
Nice work heyhay  :jam:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2009, 11:24:03 PM
More info on the Jeff/Jordan photo from BBO (at Jokersupdates):

"I think it was taken around a week or so ago. Not positive. Also she said they were being filmed, so not sure if they were eliminated or not. It was taken in Puerta Vallarta."

About a week ago puts it at about December 9.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2009, 11:25:44 PM
again, for those not familiar with the elimination station or ES  -- Youtubes (http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4DKUS_enUS306US306&q=elimination%20station&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv#)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Boingo on December 16, 2009, 11:32:16 PM
 :cmas11  Not that it matters, but they were here...  :groan:  OK, I'm bored...  Nice one, Heyhay  :cmas16
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Dånooky on December 16, 2009, 11:33:14 PM
Just an fyi regarding the picture, someone at a JeJo fan site pointed out that December 12th is the Festival of the Virgin Guadalupe in Puerto Vallarta (sp?) Mexico, I bet anything that's where that picture came from.

Actually, the day of the Virgin Mary is celebrated throughout the country. I'd be inclined to think they're watching a procession with Matachines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matachines), although that tradition is mostly from the north.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Chateau d If on December 16, 2009, 11:40:44 PM
well I agree this could be part of the Male/Female AA team?

Maybe the BB fans that follow Jeff and Jordan could tell us if they have ever been to Mexico together?



Yes, that is definitely the black hubby.  Not what I would have wanted to know though!   :cmas13
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2009, 11:43:56 PM
well I agree this could be part of the Male/Female AA team?

Maybe the BB fans that follow Jeff and Jordan could tell us if they have ever been to Mexico together?



Yes, that is definitely the black hubby.  Not what I would have wanted to know though!   :cmas13
That clinchs it for me, thanks Chateau  :cmas10
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on December 17, 2009, 12:47:43 AM
What time were they spotted in Singapore? Were they spotted today? (as in the 17th Dec, Singapore time?)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ob-la-di-ob-la-da on December 17, 2009, 01:00:43 AM
Sorry, should have put this in Speculation:

to follow up (http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/175e8/84b/4/?o=2):
While I would consider riding the Singapore Flyer, the world's tallest Ferris Wheel, to be one of the must-dos in Singapore, the night we went it was amazingly uncrowded -- in fact, we came very close to getting a tube of our own. My friends and I got there around 6:30, an arrival perfectly timed for sunset, which happens quickly this close to the equator. We navigated the maze of shops and ramps to the entrance and we hopped onto the slow-moving wheel without it even stopping. Soon we were out of the housing and getting great views of Singapore and beyond. Het, we could even see Malaysia and Indonesia -- a tri-nation view! We got great looks at the skyline and harbor as the sun dropped behind the tall buildings. We got a great perspective on the ongoing construction of the world's largest casino complex and on Singapore's floating soccer field. Additionally, we could see an unending line of ships at anchor, waiting for their turn to enter busy Singapore Harbor. All in all, the ride took just a hair over 30 minutes and regaled us the entire time, all for about $20.
If we had wanted to splurge, for $199 we could have gotten a tube that came with a full-service dinner on nice linens and fine china, with champagne. In fact, n the tube behind us, we could see two young girls were being filmed doing just that. Since we envisioned that the dinner would be an occassion for romance and dinner, and the girls were rather shoddily-dressed, we were trying to come up with scenarios for what was going on. Was it a reality TV show? It turns out we were close -- a Hong Kong Travel show was filming its Singapore adventure

So  I was looking at our original list of cast members, and we don't have a team of two young girls...

Teams:
eff & Jordan: Former Big Brother contestants; wearing light blue
Brent/Caitlin: Brent in gray, has long hair; Caitlin in black, blonde hair
Mike & Louie: Louie has man fu beard, wearing camo shorts and black shirts
Cowboys (Tim Abbott?/Bobby Boyd?): Wearing button down shirts (blue and gray), cowboy hats
Frat Boys: Identical twins (?), wearing gold with blue athletic shorts (UCSB?), one with black jacket
Grandmother & Granddaughter: Granddaughter has short brown hair and is wearing green
Middle-Aged Man/Woman: Husband/wife, late 30s, wearing purple
Man/Woman: Possibly father/daughter, older man wearing black shirt and cap, thin woman in blue
African-American Husband/Wife: Husband in dark red, wife in shirt with family photo
African-American Moms: Wearing hot pink
Lesbian Couple: Wearing shades of gray and camo/black pants, short blonde and dark hair
Asian Couple: Wearing red, late 20s/early 30s


Only possible "young" F/F matches who are would be the "lesbian" couple or the AA moms, and from Chateau d If's photos, I wouldn't categorize either team as being particularly young (although youth is in the eye of the beholder...)  So maybe it really was a Hong Kong travel show...?


i thought we had a spoiler that mentioned the singapore flyer being shut down for a few hour in the afternoon (12:00) b/c of filming for TAR.   of course, at the time - she thought it was TAR Asia and we all know now it isn't!

One more Facebook post, from someone in Singapore 2 hours ago (5:30am, Singapore time):

Thank you guys.... check out the AMAZING RACE ASIA...... Saw the filming at Singapore flyer & Sentosa. Due the the show, they close the flyer from public until 12.30pm, we were way too early...end up took the flyer in the evening. A great trip..




So it looks like the Flyer was closed until 12:30 due to filming, but the Virtual Tourist saw two young girls at sunset (we don't know what day).  And we don't really have a team of two young girls.  So I'm thinking these are two different events that happen to have cameramen.    :cmaslol
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 17, 2009, 03:34:35 AM



I speculate that this is actually TAR Asia and that we may very well have been fooled.


Just to be absolutely clear....TARA 4 IS NOT FILMING YET!!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 17, 2009, 03:47:06 AM
WOW...lots to catch up on!!

So sorry to all the BB fans...I hate when the eliminations are spoiled before the show even airs.... bummer.

And great job to all those bringing us the tweets, maps, pics... :yourock:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: autowil on December 17, 2009, 03:50:47 AM
Is just so funny who have ES to spoil but not the actual race...  :groan:

Hope the Black mum survive..  :jam:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 17, 2009, 04:36:51 AM
that would indicate Johannesburg does not need further consideration.

I know you meant they wouldn't backtrack to there...

But there have been a LOT of subtle rumours about Jo-burg floating around this season...so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find that TAR 16 made a visit there, after SA..

Fingers and toes crossed for Africa!!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: b4us on December 17, 2009, 05:43:21 AM
Given what is already known, Africa definitely can be included in a five continent race.   I have been mulling over alternative routes these past few days.  As a non-tourist traveler with alot of international miles behind me, I would speculate the following:
North America
South America
North America again (Mexico following Asuncion, Paraquay)
Oceania
Asia
Africa (Ghana, Tanzania, South Africa, or Botswana are all safe choices)

Would make for a really interesting and different race for a long-running TV show.   
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 17, 2009, 07:07:17 AM
Given what is already known, Africa definitely can be included in a five continent race.   I have been mulling over alternative routes these past few days.  As a non-tourist traveler with alot of international miles behind me, I would speculate the following:
North America
South America
North America again (Mexico following Asuncion, Paraquay)
Oceania
Asia
Africa (Ghana, Tanzania, South Africa, or Botswana are all safe choices)

Would make for a really interesting and different race for a long-running TV show.   


Yeah, I love that sort of route. However, if that spoiler about Germany turns out to be true, then Europe must be included in the list somewhere...

Wow, it's difficult with so few spoilers! :cmas5
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on December 17, 2009, 10:42:17 AM
Given what is already known, Africa definitely can be included in a five continent race.   I have been mulling over alternative routes these past few days.  As a non-tourist traveler with alot of international miles behind me, I would speculate the following:
North America
South America
North America again (Mexico following Asuncion, Paraquay)
Oceania
Asia
Africa (Ghana, Tanzania, South Africa, or Botswana are all safe choices)

Would make for a really interesting and different race for a long-running TV show.   


I doubt they went back to North America after the South America legs. Mexico like the elimination station.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: theschnauzers on December 17, 2009, 10:47:30 AM
I could see Mexico as a location just before the final leg, that would open up a lot of US locations for the final city up that might not be as easy as a trans-Pacific flight, especially if the final teams are coming from Oceania (south of the Equator, or Australia, or New Zealand), This is just a what if speculation, or a brainstorming concept, if you like.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 17, 2009, 01:11:54 PM
The photo was taken (a week or two) before so there is no doubt that Jeff and Jordan have been eliminated possibly one of the first 5 or 6 to be eliminated. I'm thinking based on the spoilers:

NORTH AMERICA
Start
SOUTH AMERICA
1-4
EUROPE
5 & 6
AFRICA
7-9
ASIA
10 & 11
NORTH AMERICA
Final

and Australasia/Oceania and in particular Australia will miss out until next season maybe!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 17, 2009, 01:20:33 PM
I am not yet convinced about Europe, "Germany" could have been no more than a Frankfurt airport connection.

Africa is looking better and better, and Australia would have been an easy connection to Penang, so :duno:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: chill_sd on December 17, 2009, 01:32:54 PM
Just to clarify, the team in the picture is definitely two men, and has been confirmed by Chateau as Mike and Louie.

The blogger also saw another team, a blond and a brunette, male/female.  But there is some spec that since there was a female racer with very short blond hair, the blogger may have mistaken the female/female team for male/female.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Mister RC on December 17, 2009, 01:57:41 PM
Nice list Kiwi, but I think I'm with Peach here.  At the least, however, they technically hit 6 continents, but it's easier on everyone to go through Australia than otherwise.  So, my guess would be something like the following:


NORTH AMERICA
Start
SOUTH AMERICA
1-3
AFRICA
4 & 5
ASIA
6-8
AUSTRALIA
9 only
NORTH AMERICA
Final

I didn't go up to 12 as there would only be 9 Philiminations with a 12-team field.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 17, 2009, 02:17:00 PM
IMO, Australia only BEFORE Singapore, not after...IF they went there.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 17, 2009, 02:42:58 PM
I am not yet convinced about Europe, "Germany" could have been no more than a Frankfurt airport connection.

Africa is looking better and better, and Australia would have been an easy connection to Penang, so :duno:

I think they were definitely in Germany at some point, whether or not that was at a pit stop or not, although I think it was.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 17, 2009, 02:45:41 PM
For me, it's

3 eliminations in South America
5 in Africa & Asia (I would say 3 for the former)
1 in Europe or Australia

I agree that Australia would have to come before Singapore. Looking at past TARs shows that Oceania is never the penultimate leg. However, seeing Phil in Penang makes me suspicious of an Australia visit, so I'm going to say there's one leg in Europe.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 17, 2009, 02:47:16 PM
Okay, incoming:

From one of the Sentosa posters:

Quote
I did not realise that they were filming the amazing race until the 2nd sighting, therfore no pictures were taken.

I was at the singapore flyer at about 11am, 16 dec 2009, when i saw the 1st group, male/female team(young couple, long hair girl dressed in blue).
As the flyer was closed for shooting until 12.30pm, my family and i proceeded to sentosa's underwater world, where we spotted the 2nd group, male/male group (middle aged man, dressed in blue too.) wondering around Rasa Sentosa Hotel car park at abt 1pm, same day.

:thankyou: M!!!

What team is the one I bolded, italicized and underlined then? Not to throw another wrench in here and yes, I still think jeJo are out, but that description I quoted could technically be them or Caitlin/Brett. No other teams that I know of match that description.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 17, 2009, 02:53:44 PM

What team is the one I bolded, italicized and underlined then? Not to throw another wrench in here and yes, I still think jeJo are out, but that description I quoted could technically be them or Caitlin/Brett. No other teams that I know of match that description.

So they made it to the Asian countries huh?  :cmas18
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 17, 2009, 02:57:30 PM

What team is the one I bolded, italicized and underlined then? Not to throw another wrench in here and yes, I still think jeJo are out, but that description I quoted could technically be them or Caitlin/Brett. No other teams that I know of match that description.

So they made it to the Asian countries huh?  :cmas18

I don't know, but from that description, it could really only be them or the beauty queen and her man. There was only the one pic of the one team, right? I know that Mexico picture is out there pointing to elimination, but then this description throws a small wrench into speculation at least.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: fijibeachbum on December 17, 2009, 03:01:50 PM
Is it possible that the teams were doing a task during the race like find a certain character or item in the parade and return it to a shop or something? Maybe their packs were there? Except that they weren't wearing the official fanny pack... Just trying to figure out who is the couple reportedly seen.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 17, 2009, 03:02:41 PM
Is it possible that the teams were doing a task during the race like find a certain character or item in the parade and return it to a shop or something? Maybe their packs were there? Except that they weren't wearing the official fanny pack... Just trying to figure out who is the couple reportedly seen.

I know, that male/female with long hair (younger) is throwing me off, totally confusing me considering that picture.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Ryan83 on December 17, 2009, 03:03:51 PM
that discription is JeJo but if they were in the Asia legs they would be a decoy team. Why have decoys in Mexico?!? Werent JeJo the only ones doing "team Blue" at the airport too?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 17, 2009, 03:04:20 PM
that discription is JeJo but if they were in the Asia legs they would be a decoy team. Why have decoys in Mexico?!? Werent JeJo the only ones wearing Blue too?

Well Caitlin had long hair too though, so it could be them.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DianeC on December 17, 2009, 03:15:22 PM
that discription is JeJo but if they were in the Asia legs they would be a decoy team. Why have decoys in Mexico?!? Werent JeJo the only ones wearing Blue too?

Well Caitlin had long hair too though, so it could be them.

Yes, JEJO were the Blue team to leave the airport and in that picture of JEJO in Mexico at the parade i saw backpacks near the side of the car on the streetside or something that looked like backpacks...Very strange....The 2 cars have the same yellow stickers on them and none of the other parked cars have stickers on them...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 17, 2009, 03:17:52 PM
Okay, incoming:

From one of the Sentosa posters:

Quote
I did not realise that they were filming the amazing race until the 2nd sighting, therfore no pictures were taken.

I was at the singapore flyer at about 11am, 16 dec 2009, when i saw the 1st group, male/female team(young couple, long hair girl dressed in blue).
As the flyer was closed for shooting until 12.30pm, my family and i proceeded to sentosa's underwater world, where we spotted the 2nd group, male/male group (middle aged man, dressed in blue too.) wondering around Rasa Sentosa Hotel car park at abt 1pm, same day.

:thankyou: M!!!

Georgiapeach, this could be solved easily. Do you have the website of that blog? We could give them the links to both the team pic of JeJo and the team pic of Caitlin/Brett, or a pic of them and see if the team they saw was either one.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on December 17, 2009, 03:19:09 PM
i don't think color has too much weight anymore.  Sam and Dan had like 5 different color shirts, and weren't matching half the time...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on December 17, 2009, 03:25:07 PM
i say, if Australia/New Zealand didn't happen yet, it isn't going to happen

which leaves room for a Europe leg or two

but was Macaroons saying it was a 5 continent race, or that he knew that there were 5 continents so far?

he may have been informed by his sources of Africa and Europe being the missing links between SA and Malaysia, but hasn't as of yet been told of the penultimate leg, which could very well end up in Australia or the like  :cmas5
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on December 17, 2009, 03:36:40 PM
If Australia happened already, you would have had spoilers already. I remember when they went to Perth in TAR9, the local news paper printed a story about it, "Perth is going to get worldwide exposure" blah blah.

The only chance of them coming to Australia/New Zealand is today. Its morning 8:30am here on th 18th. A lot of flights from Asia come in very early in the morning, between 6 and 8am.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 17, 2009, 03:36:53 PM
They don't run sequestered teams as decoys ,,,,,,,,,,,, hahahaha NO

And Diane, JEJO are wearing jeans, teams do not race in jeans  :cmas10

thats a person not backpacks, probably the vendor
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Chateau d If on December 17, 2009, 03:41:37 PM
 :groan:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 17, 2009, 03:46:54 PM
They don't run sequestered teams as decoys ,,,,,,,,,,,, hahahaha NO

Let me correct that, they have been known to run sequestered teams as decoys in the FINAL (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7P7odoI3XXA/SU_98__n5YI/AAAAAAAABUg/MLzL1RPWrzo/s1600-h/DSCF0164.JPG) city.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 17, 2009, 03:54:25 PM
Okay, incoming:

From one of the Sentosa posters:

Quote
I did not realise that they were filming the amazing race until the 2nd sighting, therfore no pictures were taken.

I was at the singapore flyer at about 11am, 16 dec 2009, when i saw the 1st group, male/female team(young couple, long hair girl dressed in blue).
As the flyer was closed for shooting until 12.30pm, my family and i proceeded to sentosa's underwater world, where we spotted the 2nd group, male/male group (middle aged man, dressed in blue too.) wondering around Rasa Sentosa Hotel car park at abt 1pm, same day.

:thankyou: M!!!

Georgiapeach, this could be solved easily. Do you have the website of that blog? We could give them the links to both the team pic of JeJo and the team pic of Caitlin/Brett, or a pic of them and see if the team they saw was either one.

Oh gee thanks. Wonder why I never thought of that?  :groan:



The only chance of them coming to Australia/New Zealand is today.

That is so wrong it isn't funny.

puddin...pass the Advil please. Talking to Singapore till 6AM has left me grumpy.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 17, 2009, 03:57:01 PM
Okay, incoming:

From one of the Sentosa posters:

Quote
I did not realise that they were filming the amazing race until the 2nd sighting, therfore no pictures were taken.

I was at the singapore flyer at about 11am, 16 dec 2009, when i saw the 1st group, male/female team(young couple, long hair girl dressed in blue).
As the flyer was closed for shooting until 12.30pm, my family and i proceeded to sentosa's underwater world, where we spotted the 2nd group, male/male group (middle aged man, dressed in blue too.) wondering around Rasa Sentosa Hotel car park at abt 1pm, same day.

:thankyou: M!!!

Georgiapeach, this could be solved easily. Do you have the website of that blog? We could give them the links to both the team pic of JeJo and the team pic of Caitlin/Brett, or a pic of them and see if the team they saw was either one.

Oh gee thanks. Wonder why I never thought of that?  :groan:



The only chance of them coming to Australia/New Zealand is today.

That is so wrong it isn't funny.

puddin...pass the Advil please. Talking to Singapore till 6AM has left me grumpy.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend you. :( (I'm assuming obtusely that means you already have asked them or sent pics)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on December 17, 2009, 04:08:03 PM
Quote
That is so wrong it isn't funny.

GeorgiaPeach, this is a speculation forum, so please speculte why that is so wrong?  :groan:

Remember, flying to US from Asia/Oceania will get you back in 0 calendar days because of the dateline. So if they have a leg today on the 18th, leave on the 19th, they will be back home for the final leg on the 19th.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Sailing on December 17, 2009, 04:10:55 PM
Jeff and Jordan are at the ES. We need to get back on track on where the final leg is going to be. Pass the Xanax, please. :cmas15
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 17, 2009, 04:14:06 PM
Jeff and Jordan are at the ES. We need to get back on track on where the final leg is going to be. Pass the Xanax, please. :cmas15

They presumably are with that picture, but then a blogger described a team they saw in Singapore that could be them and since it's speculation, and we are speculating, I'm not sure why we're off track. :)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Sailing on December 17, 2009, 04:15:27 PM
 :groan: OMG!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ZBC Company on December 17, 2009, 04:19:20 PM
will check my home my town airport and peach should too i going steak out at  nc internatoinal airprot
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 17, 2009, 04:24:46 PM
:groan: OMG!

What?!? I don't get it, a team was sighted, could be one of two teams, people are speculating on it.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 17, 2009, 04:30:24 PM
Well, there is speculating and then there is reality. We do try to keep some reality around here. :lol:

And re Australia, they certainly could have been there BEFORE Singapore, that's what I was trying to say.

And thank you zach, but no, no need to stake out NC. ;)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 17, 2009, 04:39:52 PM
Very true on the reality part of it and that picture was definitely reality, around the time it was said to be taken, but then this description by the blogger was confusing too.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: chill_sd on December 17, 2009, 04:42:26 PM
:groan: OMG!

What?!? I don't get it, a team was sighted, could be one of two teams, people are speculating on it.

The point is that JeJo were spotted in Mexico last week.  While TAR does sometimes double back on their routes (like Groeningen, Stockholm, Tallin, Prague last season) it would be far too expensive for TAR 16 to race 4-5 legs in Chile and Argentina, then double back to Mexico before continuing on.  And we all know that TAR is all about the budget nowadays.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ltvols on December 17, 2009, 05:19:16 PM
I'll just throw this out there.....going back to Chateau's list of contestants he photographed at the airport - there is still a male/female team that we have no photo of!  This team, for all we know could be the blond haired guy and brunette girl!  Just sayin'......

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 17, 2009, 05:20:56 PM
This is related to TAR 16, but not exactly pertinent to the current speculation.

Anyway, what are the odds that TAR gets the post Super Bowl slot? Current buzz is that either Survivor or one of the CBS comedies gets it.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 17, 2009, 05:21:22 PM
Just wanted to point out that the penultimate leg has been in Oceania before, in TAR4.

Not that I'm suggesting that it's going to be done again. (I'm with Peach, perhaps it occured before Singapore.)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 17, 2009, 05:23:29 PM
I'll just throw this out there.....going back to Chateau's list of contestants he photographed at the airport - there is still a male/female team that we have no photo of!  This team, for all we know could be the blond haired guy and brunette girl!  Just sayin'......



And another confusion for me. One sighting has a blond haired guy/brunette girl, another has a girl with long hair, younger, and a guy and doesn't say the hair colors.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 17, 2009, 05:28:17 PM
This is related to TAR 16, but not exactly pertinent to the current speculation.

Anyway, what are the odds that TAR gets the post Super Bowl slot? Current buzz is that either Survivor or one of the CBS comedies gets it.
I heard CSI or the Mentalist
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 17, 2009, 05:29:58 PM
Just wanted to point out that the penultimate leg has been in Oceania before, in TAR4.

Not that I'm suggesting that it's going to be done again. (I'm with Peach, perhaps it occured before Singapore.)

You're right. My bad.
I'm debating whether Australia gets 2 legs if it is/was visited.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on December 17, 2009, 05:34:44 PM
Only chance of teams going to Australia before Singapore is if they went to somewhere like Ayres Rock or Alice Spings (which would be cool). No way could they get away with it in a major city like Sydney or Melbourne without someone spotting them already.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 17, 2009, 05:51:36 PM
Only chance of teams going to Australia before Singapore is if they went to somewhere like Ayres Rock or Alice Spings (which would be cool). No way could they get away with it in a major city like Sydney or Melbourne without someone spotting them already.
Yeah, that's very true.

They went to Coober Pedy in TAR2, maybe we can Switchback, "I'm Not A Miner! No You're An Idiot!" :cmaslol Best episode title!

Back on topic: I'm hopin that they did come, but that could mean that there was not much time spent in Africa, if that's the case (especially if Frankfurt was a Pit Stop).
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: chill_sd on December 17, 2009, 06:59:18 PM
Regarding the tweet/blog about JeJo in Germany, it could be true, since the 5th and 6th out probably went to ES in Puerto Vallarta just like the first 4 would have from S America.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 17, 2009, 07:21:13 PM
This is related to TAR 16, but not exactly pertinent to the current speculation.

Anyway, what are the odds that TAR gets the post Super Bowl slot? Current buzz is that either Survivor or one of the CBS comedies gets it.
I heard CSI or the Mentalist
It's going to be The Mentalist.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Mister RC on December 17, 2009, 07:26:50 PM
Source?  BTW I believe you, but I've been looking for this info for a while (along with the ACM date) and found nothing.

Shame with no TAR post-Superbowl, but the race course doesn't call for it.  Besides, who would want to have a show air opposite three weeks of winter games coverage and then the Academy Awards?

As long as the season doesn't end on May 9, I'm cool.  And I'll even move on with that if Survivor ends on May 16.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: YY on December 17, 2009, 08:12:33 PM
Regarding the tweet/blog about JeJo in Germany, it could be true, since the 5th and 6th out probably went to ES in Puerto Vallarta just like the first 4 would have from S America.

I think it's the first six teams that go to ES, wouldn't matter if they were eliminated on a different continent than where the ES is at. At least I don't think so.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DianeC on December 17, 2009, 08:40:21 PM
They don't run sequestered teams as decoys ,,,,,,,,,,,, hahahaha NO

And Diane, JEJO are wearing jeans, teams do not race in jeans  :cmas10

thats a person not backpacks, probably the vendor

No Puddin..the other side..street-side, behind the AA man and along side the car....I am new at TAR, so why can't they wear jeans? What do they wear then?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ottopilot on December 17, 2009, 08:42:06 PM
They don't run sequestered teams as decoys ,,,,,,,,,,,, hahahaha NO

And Diane, JEJO are wearing jeans, teams do not race in jeans  :cmas10

thats a person not backpacks, probably the vendor

No Puddin..the other side..street-side, behind the AA man and along side the car....I am new at TAR, so why can't they wear jeans? What do they wear then?


Do you mean the garbage can by the white van? It's a garbage can.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DianeC on December 17, 2009, 08:50:34 PM
They don't run sequestered teams as decoys ,,,,,,,,,,,, hahahaha NO

And Diane, JEJO are wearing jeans, teams do not race in jeans  :cmas10

thats a person not backpacks, probably the vendor

No Puddin..the other side..street-side, behind the AA man and along side the car....I am new at TAR, so why can't they wear jeans? What do they wear then?


Do you mean the garbage can by the white van? It's a garbage can.

Wow..You've got good eyes..I would never have thought a garbage pail was in the street along side of a parked car...It looks like it could be a backpack standing up, but I'll bow to you...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ottopilot on December 17, 2009, 08:52:13 PM
They don't run sequestered teams as decoys ,,,,,,,,,,,, hahahaha NO

And Diane, JEJO are wearing jeans, teams do not race in jeans  :cmas10

thats a person not backpacks, probably the vendor

No Puddin..the other side..street-side, behind the AA man and along side the car....I am new at TAR, so why can't they wear jeans? What do they wear then?


Do you mean the garbage can by the white van? It's a garbage can.

Wow..You've got good eyes..I would never have thought a garbage pail was in the street along side of a parked car...It looks like it could be a backpack standing up, but I'll bow to you...

20/20 vision  :cmas22
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DianeC on December 17, 2009, 08:55:18 PM
LMBO @ Ottopilot :cmas18
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 17, 2009, 08:57:01 PM
 :cmaslol
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ltvols on December 17, 2009, 08:59:15 PM
the teams never wear jeans while racing b/c many tasks prevent that type of clothing.  They wear mostly comfortable running clothes and/or production provided clothing (thoughts of the globetrotters in dutch dresses running through my head right now)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 17, 2009, 09:38:57 PM
ltvols is right, they wear sportswear ie Nike and slacks/khaki's where they can zip off the legs dealios and I believe that even when the racers get an extended pitstop they keep their fannypak with them at all times, their passports and such.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Xarles on December 17, 2009, 10:15:53 PM
Speculating on the gap between Bariloche, Argentina and Malaysia/Singapore: There were probable sightings in both Asuncion, Paraguay and Sao Paulo, Brazil. None of those cities, Bariloche, Asuncion and Sao Paulo, are far from Buenos Aires, Argentina. Checking on Buenos Aires Ezeiza Airport (EZE) I found out Malaysia Airlines (MAS/MH) flies from there to Kuala Lumpur (KUL), Malaysia and even offers a connecting flight to Kota Kinabalu (BKI) from EZE on Wednesdays and Sundays. As teams were previously surprised with a Bolivia-New Zealand leg, this one seems like a more exotic one. Lets suppose they were in either Asuncion/Sao Paulo/Buenos Aires and then were asked to go to Kota Kinabalu! Easy: Malaysia Airlines flight MH202 departed EZE at a very confy time: 21:45 on Wednesday December 9th and after stopping in Cape Town & Johannesburg (both in South Africa) they arrived in KUL at 06:20 on December 11th just in time to connect with flght MH2604 departing KUL at 07:30 arriving BKI at 10:05. This may have put the teams in Malaysia on December 11 early morning without any other legs having been run in either Europe or Africa.
Malaysia Airlines departed Buenos Aires on the following dates:
December Sun 06 Wed 09 Sun 13
Arrived in Kuala Lumpur:
December Tue 08 Fri 11 Tue 15
Malaysia Airlines
Buenos Aires (EZE) To Kuala Lumpur (KUL)
Wed & Sun 21:45 06:20+2days MH202 Boeing 747-400 2 STOPS
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 17, 2009, 10:29:42 PM
interesting. But let's remember that the kota kinabalu spec began with a post that almost certainly referred to a someone saying she was running her own amazing race as she did all her errands. :groan:

I think we need Africa and maybe even Australia in there. I am keeping the faith.  :xmas49

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Xarles on December 17, 2009, 10:33:19 PM
the kota kinabalu spec began with a post that almost certainly referred to a someone saying she was running her own amazing race

I agree with you, but this would put Phil on the right time at Penang, Malaysia, next door country to Singapore, directly out of South America.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 17, 2009, 10:43:58 PM
I think you come out short on some legs though, but really, we don't know so spec away!

We also have 5 continents per Macaroons. ;)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 17, 2009, 10:51:32 PM
I think you come out short on some legs though, but really, we don't know so spec away!

We also have 5 continents per Macaroons. ;)

Speculating here:

If there are five continents, unless they go to Antarctica, they have to choose 5 of the following 6:

Oceania
Asia
Europe
Africa
North America
South America

Obviously they started in North America. They were sighted in South America and in Asia. Which means that two out of Oceania, Europe and Africa must also be selected.

So I think they either went NA -> SA -> Africa -> Oceania -> Asia -> NA OR they did NA -> SA -> Europe/Africa -> Africa/Europe -> Asia -> NA

Just speculating, but I hope this makes some sense. :cmas5
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Xarles on December 17, 2009, 11:12:07 PM
I think you come out short on some legs though,
I hope this makes some sense.

It makes good sense. Couldn't they have been in South Africa for the Soccer World Cup Final Draw on Dec 04 just right after Bariloche (or just right after) as the Argentina-Malaysia flight stops right in Cape Town & Johannesburg? Do we have anyone in South Africa?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: theschnauzers on December 17, 2009, 11:13:12 PM
A question, if Phil was in Penang airport (which Google Maps tells me is on the Malay Penisula near the border with Thailand) and if teams have since been seen in Singapore, then how (or even better, why) would production have Phil in that airport? Wouldn't teams have used Bangkok or Kuala Lumpur to get there? or have a leg or two in or near either of those place on the way?

Also, that flight info mentioning a connection or stop in South Africa could also indicate a way for teams to do a leg or two there on the way to Singapore and Malaysia.

Just throwing that out there for contemplation, folks.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 17, 2009, 11:42:41 PM
No sightings in Jo-burg but there has been a lot of vague stuff about it. NOT enough to confirm anything, but enough for me to take notice.

And if Phil had come in from wherever (Australia, Auckland in particular does fit) possibly via Bangkok or Singapore, did a leg in the Penang area, and then was waiting for a flight to Singapore (evening of the 14th), shoots standups on the 15th, and then racers arrive on the 16th....then bingo. Does seem to imply an extended pitstop in the Penang area though.

Really, Penang is not a hub, most of the flights are to and from Singapore and KL. There is no good reason for him to be transiting there that I can see...which implies a leg to me. Always assuming there is not another identical McDonalds somewhere in the world.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Izad on December 18, 2009, 03:36:17 AM
Really, Penang is not a hub, most of the flights are to and from Singapore and KL. There is no good reason for him to be transiting there that I can see...which implies a leg to me. Always assuming there is not another identical McDonalds somewhere in the world.

Urghh McPhilgate FTL   :groan:

IF he really WAS in Penang, peach may be right. Even though it's listed as Penang International Airport, it's not really a hub, and could possibly mean they had a leg there.  Flights to/from that airport are mostly local flights, and the regional flights would be ones to/from Singapore, Bangkok, Phuket, Taipei, Hong Kong and certain parts of Indonesia.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Macaroons on December 18, 2009, 08:21:28 AM
This is *speculation* based on some loose timeline info, but I think these were possibly the flights used by the teams to get from Penang to Singapore:

1) JETSTAR AIRWAYS 674
Departed PEN at 9:25 AM, Wednesday, Dec. 16
Arrived SIN at 10:49 (sched. 10:45) AM, Wednesday, Dec. 16

2) AIRASIA 5801
Departed PEN at 9:40 AM, Wednesday, Dec. 16
Arrived SIN at 10:59 (sched. 10:50) AM, Wednesday, Dec. 16

This also fits with the sightings of teams completing tasks in Singapore around noon.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 18, 2009, 03:02:18 PM
Never thought of this before, but it is possible to fly direct from certain parts of Africa to Australia. Do you think TAR went Africa -> Australia -> Asia?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 18, 2009, 03:07:22 PM
Via Frankfurt?? :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: mjriches2005 on December 18, 2009, 03:31:10 PM
Via Frankfurt?? :lol:

Possibly, Frankfurt is a major European hub after London, Paris, Amsterdam, and Copenhagen.
Maybe the report from Germany is that it's just a transit point.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on December 18, 2009, 03:41:17 PM
Never thought of this before, but it is possible to fly direct from certain parts of Africa to Australia. Do you think TAR went Africa -> Australia -> Asia?

The only direct flights from Africa are from Jo-berg to Perth and Sydney. Another option is Emirates who have flights to Dubai from quite a few African destinations then you can pretty much from to anywhere from Dubai including Australia and Asia.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DianeC on December 18, 2009, 04:36:13 PM
the teams never wear jeans while racing b/c many tasks prevent that type of clothing.  They wear mostly comfortable running clothes and/or production provided clothing (thoughts of the globetrotters in dutch dresses running through my head right now)

TY...That image was a riot...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on December 18, 2009, 05:11:59 PM
Speculating on the gap between Bariloche, Argentina and Malaysia/Singapore: There were probable sightings in both Asuncion, Paraguay and Sao Paulo, Brazil. None of those cities, Bariloche, Asuncion and Sao Paulo, are far from Buenos Aires, Argentina. Checking on Buenos Aires Ezeiza Airport (EZE) I found out Malaysia Airlines (MAS/MH) flies from there to Kuala Lumpur (KUL), Malaysia and even offers a connecting flight to Kota Kinabalu (BKI) from EZE on Wednesdays and Sundays. As teams were previously surprised with a Bolivia-New Zealand leg, this one seems like a more exotic one. Lets suppose they were in either Asuncion/Sao Paulo/Buenos Aires and then were asked to go to Kota Kinabalu! Easy: Malaysia Airlines flight MH202 departed EZE at a very confy time: 21:45 on Wednesday December 9th and after stopping in Cape Town & Johannesburg (both in South Africa) they arrived in KUL at 06:20 on December 11th just in time to connect with flght MH2604 departing KUL at 07:30 arriving BKI at 10:05. This may have put the teams in Malaysia on December 11 early morning without any other legs having been run in either Europe or Africa.
Malaysia Airlines departed Buenos Aires on the following dates:
December Sun 06 Wed 09 Sun 13
Arrived in Kuala Lumpur:
December Tue 08 Fri 11 Tue 15
Malaysia Airlines
Buenos Aires (EZE) To Kuala Lumpur (KUL)
Wed & Sun 21:45 06:20+2days MH202 Boeing 747-400 2 STOPS

Yuck. I certainly hope they wouldn't do that. That would be an even shorter course than TAR 15!

But if Macaroons has the right info (5 continents), I am rejoicing right now.

I would speculate that it went like this:

North America (Starting Line)
South America
Europe
Africa
Asia (Singapore area)
North America

But I REALLY want to see Oceania visited again!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 18, 2009, 05:45:28 PM
Speculating on the gap between Bariloche, Argentina and Malaysia/Singapore: There were probable sightings in both Asuncion, Paraguay and Sao Paulo, Brazil. None of those cities, Bariloche, Asuncion and Sao Paulo, are far from Buenos Aires, Argentina. Checking on Buenos Aires Ezeiza Airport (EZE) I found out Malaysia Airlines (MAS/MH) flies from there to Kuala Lumpur (KUL), Malaysia and even offers a connecting flight to Kota Kinabalu (BKI) from EZE on Wednesdays and Sundays. As teams were previously surprised with a Bolivia-New Zealand leg, this one seems like a more exotic one. Lets suppose they were in either Asuncion/Sao Paulo/Buenos Aires and then were asked to go to Kota Kinabalu! Easy: Malaysia Airlines flight MH202 departed EZE at a very confy time: 21:45 on Wednesday December 9th and after stopping in Cape Town & Johannesburg (both in South Africa) they arrived in KUL at 06:20 on December 11th just in time to connect with flght MH2604 departing KUL at 07:30 arriving BKI at 10:05. This may have put the teams in Malaysia on December 11 early morning without any other legs having been run in either Europe or Africa.
Malaysia Airlines departed Buenos Aires on the following dates:
December Sun 06 Wed 09 Sun 13
Arrived in Kuala Lumpur:
December Tue 08 Fri 11 Tue 15
Malaysia Airlines
Buenos Aires (EZE) To Kuala Lumpur (KUL)
Wed & Sun 21:45 06:20+2days MH202 Boeing 747-400 2 STOPS

Yuck. I certainly hope they wouldn't do that. That would be an even shorter course than TAR 15!

But if Macaroons has the right info (5 continents), I am rejoicing right now.

I would speculate that it went like this:

North America (Starting Line)
South America
Europe
Africa
Asia (Singapore area)
North America

But I REALLY want to see Oceania visited again!

We all love 6-continent races.  :kisses However, I doubt it happened this season.

I wouldn't be surprised if Oceania wasn't visited this season. Let's look at continent/regional visits season-wise.

Asia: all of them
Europe: all of them except 2
Africa: 1-3, 5-7, 10-12, hopefully 16
Middle East: 5,9,15 (bit sparse here)
South America: 2,5,7,9,11,13,16 (about every other season)
Oceania: 2,4,5,9,13 (so the next visit should be due in 17)
North America besides USA: 3,5,7,8 (yeah that sucks huh?)

As you can see TAR follows a pattern if we ignore the routes of 14-15.

Let's go even further while we're at it.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on December 18, 2009, 05:58:11 PM
^Whoa, Caelestor, thanks for that! I didn't notice that there was a pattern.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on December 18, 2009, 05:59:52 PM
We've never seen this pattern (and I know its not happening this season) but it would be an interesting one for sure.

North America (east coast start) --> Europe --> Africa --> South America --> Oceania and/or Asia --> North America (west coast/central finish).
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 18, 2009, 06:02:25 PM
We've never seen this pattern (and I know its not happening this season) but it would be an interesting one for sure.

North America (east coast start) --> Europe --> Africa --> South America --> Oceania and/or Asia --> North America (west coast/central finish).

Although that would raise the ire of many TARfans (they didn't circumnavigate the world!), I really like that route. It also centers the world on the Americas.
Unfortunately, TAR also has a pattern that South America, since costs are cheaper there, must be visited first in any season.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on December 18, 2009, 06:08:45 PM
We've never seen this pattern (and I know its not happening this season) but it would be an interesting one for sure.

North America (east coast start) --> Europe --> Africa --> South America --> Oceania and/or Asia --> North America (west coast/central finish).

Although that would raise the ire of many TARfans (they didn't circumnavigate the world!), I really like that route. It also centers the world on the Americas.
Unfortunately, TAR also has a pattern that South America, since costs are cheaper there, must be visited first in any season.

Yeah, its not probable, but would be cool to see.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 18, 2009, 06:21:37 PM
Some more patterns!

Start line/First country:

NYC/Zambia (S. Africa does not count)
LV/Brazil
Miami/Mexico
LA/Italy
LA/Uruguay
Chicago/Iceland
LA/Peru
FE doesn't count
Denver/Brazil
Seattle/China
Miami/Ecuador

All starting lines are now in LA  :cmas15

Ireland
Brazil
Switzerland
Japan
Chile

So, only TAR 1 began in Africa. TARs 4,6,12,14 started in Europe, while TAR 10/15 started in Asia. The rest had their first destination in SA, with the exception of TAR 3 in NA.

Finish line locations:
NYC
SF
Seattle
Phoenix
Dallas
Chicago
Miami
once again 8 doesn't count
Denver
NYC
SF (here's where it gets interesting)
Alaska
Portland
Hawaii
Las Vegas

So, we may be possibly due for a final city not in the continental US. Saipan's a pretty nice place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saipan
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ltvols on December 18, 2009, 07:38:28 PM
I've never missed a season of TAR - it's my absolute fav.....I've lurked here for a few seasons.   The finish line list is quite impressive!  I guess I never paid that much attention before but I'm quite impressed that other than NYC and SF, they've chosen different cities for each season!   Simple things intrigue me I suppose.

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on December 18, 2009, 09:37:16 PM
I've never missed a seson of TAR either.  I'm a newby here, and have been lurking for a few weeks.  I have tried to understand how so many people can post about absolutely nothing. After reading the post here, I have very little information about TAR 16.  I guess this is good entertainment for some, but is there ever any reliable information on how the race is progressing?  My guess is that the race is over by now, and we still don't have any concrete information other than the fact that Jeff & Jordan were in the race.   

The reason you probably haven't found any real information in this thread is its the "Speculation" thread. There are other threads that are based on destinations and confirmed sightings/tweets that should have more real information.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ltvols on December 18, 2009, 09:39:56 PM
WOW....i think they've gotten tons of information so far.....first, the pics of the teams at LAX...info on their legs in S.America, an elimination photo, pics of Phil in Penang, racers in Singapore, and a pic with two teams at sequester.   I think it's awesome how all of this works.   It's absolutely amazing how diligently everyone here works to gain information from around the world....the world sure seems a little smaller after following these guys here in this forum.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: mjriches2005 on December 19, 2009, 09:38:36 AM
Some more patterns!

Start line/First country:

NYC/Zambia (S. Africa does not count)
LV/Brazil
Miami/Mexico
LA/Italy
LA/Uruguay
Chicago/Iceland
LA/Peru
FE doesn't count
Denver/Brazil
Seattle/China
Miami/Ecuador

All starting lines are now in LA  :cmas15

Ireland
Brazil
Switzerland
Japan
Chile

So, only TAR 1 began in Africa. TARs 4,6,12,14 started in Europe, while TAR 10/15 started in Asia. The rest had their first destination in SA, with the exception of TAR 3 in NA.

Finish line locations:
NYC
SF
Seattle
Phoenix
Dallas
Chicago
Miami
once again 8 doesn't count
Denver
NYC
SF (here's where it gets interesting)
Alaska
Portland
Hawaii
Las Vegas

So, we may be possibly due for a final city not in the continental US. Saipan's a pretty nice place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saipan

Technically South Africa on TAR1 does count since they had to sign up for charter flights at Johannesburg-Lanseria Airport.  Also Panama in the Family Edition would be counted because its technically a new country in that season.  Also for the record, Season7 ended in Ft Lauderdale, Family Edition ended near Niagara Falls, and Season 10 ended north of NYC in a town called Garrison.  I would also counted Girdwood, Alaska and Maui, Hawaii for Seasons 12 and 14 as well instead of listing them as just Alaska and Hawaii.









Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 19, 2009, 10:08:44 AM
I've never missed a seson of TAR either.  I'm a newby here, and have been lurking for a few weeks.  I have tried to understand how so many people can post about absolutely nothing. After reading the post here, I have very little information about TAR 16.  I guess this is good entertainment for some, but is there ever any reliable information on how the race is progressing?  My guess is that the race is over by now, and we still don't have any concrete information other than the fact that Jeff & Jordan were in the race.   

The reason you probably haven't found any real information in this thread is its the "Speculation" thread. There are other threads that are based on destinations and confirmed sightings/tweets that should have more real information.

Then you haven't been reading the live sightings thread and the destination and contestant threads.
this board gives you the overview for all the TAR 16 discussions:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/board,113.0.html

As of last night when you posted, your guess that the race is over is also incorrect. ;)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: topaz on December 19, 2009, 07:30:58 PM
I'd read some of the posts here that TAR 16 had already done on filming, and we've never know what will be the final city on that season.  I'd also read some sightings in Singapore and Malaysia, last week in which they'd already raced on the Asian continent, but none in my country [the Philippines, since they'd visited on season 5] had a news or rumors that TAR 16 was filmed here.  That's sad probably because the producers of TAR want to turn away to my country right now due to the incident on Maguindanao massacre which happened almost a month ago.  Blame the election-related political violence in my country!!! :cmas4

But if they're already in Malaysia and Singapore and there are only 3 or 4 remaining legs after visited these 2 countries, and they'd didn't visited Philippines due to that incident, that means did they'd revisit either of these 3 East Asian countries like in South Korea [previously visited on TAR4], Taiwan [previously visited on TAR12] or Japan [previously visited on TAR 9, 12 & 15] which in spite on those countries had already been featured on TAR on the previous season but wasn't very popular to this show on those 3 countries or even raced in the Russian Far East region [on Vladivostok side] which was similar to TAR 14 before heading back to the US?  Just my speculation, guys and Merry Christmas as well! :cmas9
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on December 19, 2009, 07:57:58 PM
I'd read some of the posts here that TAR 16 had already done on filming, and we've never know what will be the final city on that season.  I'd also read some sightings in Singapore and Malaysia, last week in which they'd already raced on the Asian continent, but none in my country [the Philippines, since they'd visited on season 5] had a news or rumors that TAR 16 was filmed here.  That's sad probably because the producers of TAR want to turn away to my country right now due to the incident on Maguindanao massacre which happened almost a month ago.  Blame the election-related political violence in my country!!! :cmas4

But if they're already in Malaysia and Singapore and there are only 3 or 4 remaining legs after visited these 2 countries, and they'd didn't visited Philippines due to that incident, that means did they'd revisit either of these 3 East Asian countries like in South Korea [previously visited on TAR4], Taiwan [previously visited on TAR12] or Japan [previously visited on TAR 9, 12 & 15] which in spite on those countries had already been featured on TAR on the previous season but wasn't very popular to this show on those 3 countries or even raced in the Russian Far East region [on Vladivostok side] which was similar to TAR 14 before heading back to the US?  Just my speculation, guys and Merry Christmas as well! :cmas9

The final city is SF, and filming wrapped up today. Too bad I couldn't drive there today  :cmas4
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: jerseydude on December 21, 2009, 01:47:51 AM
My speculation is that they went to Nanking East Road. There is like a part of the street blocked as a shopping area. It is also near most of the tourist attractions like the Bund and other things. If you have any more info or need any translating just let me know. I've been searching on China's "Facebook" but nothing is on it.

Below is is screenshot of a map. The Green line is the Subway Line 2 and should be part of Nanjing road. I circled the hot tourist spot in red. (Huangpu District)

(http://i46.[banned image hosting site].com/2v0efrs.jpg)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 21, 2009, 02:44:03 AM
Good job jerseydude!!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 21, 2009, 04:50:35 AM
Over in the Tweets topic, I brought up that the Letterman Digital Arts Center mentioned in a tweet was the home of Industrial Light and Magic. Caelestor thought this sounded like a likely place for the memory roadblock that often happens just before the race to the mat. I agree. I believe Puddin and Peach have said they already know where the mat location was, but I thought I'd speculate a bit anyway, using my knowledge from having lived in the San Francisco area for most of my life until I moved away 10 years ago. The Letterman Digital Arts Center is about 1 to 1.5 miles from the south end of the Golden gate Bridge. There are several scenic and/or park like settings near by that would make a great backdrop from the conclusion of the race. Most could have a footrace to the mat rather than grabbing cabs.

Fort Point is the old Army battery at the entrance to San Francisco Bay. As you can see, the Golden Gate Bridge is right over head. It's about 1.5 to 2 miles from Letterman. This location would probably require cabs for the teams. It might also be a little restricted on space for the production crew.

(http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060725/060725_sanFran_hmed_6p.h2.jpg)

Crissy Field is along the water's edge and extends east away from Fort Point and used to be a part of the Presidio army base. Because it's a former army base, there isn't much housing in the immediate area. It's about 3/4 of a mile from Letterman.

(http://www.planetware.com/i/photo/golden-gate-bridge-san-francisco-ca133.jpg)

The Marina Green is the park to the east of Crissy Field. This isn't a good picture but my recollection is that it's bigger and roomier than Crissy Field but it's in a populated neighborhood and thus much busier with people jogging and playing. It's about 1 1/4 mile or so from Letterman. Not as likely in my opinion.

(http://www.onthelevelsf.com/g/photos/Guided_1_Marina_Green.jpg)

The Palace of Fine Arts. This is the only remaining building from the 1915 World's Fair and it's a dramatic backdrop. It's about a half mile from Letterman. The Exploratorium science museum (a hands on type of museum) is next door and I could see something being done there as well, although it's a long way from Coit Tower and far too close to Letterman for it to be a detour site, so most likely they don't use the Exploratorium.

(http://www.gothereguide.com/Images/USA/San_Francisco/Palace_FineArts_SF1.jpg)

The San Francisco National Cemetery is about a mile away or less, but I can't see them celebrating in a cemetery with grave markers in the background.

I'm guessing Fort Point and Crissy Field are likeliest, but the Palace of Fine Arts is a strong candidate too.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 21, 2009, 07:59:49 AM
Since we don't know for sure I'll put this in Spec .. we "think" Hunters Point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunters_Point,_San_Francisco,_California) may also have been used for the finale, whether for a task or finish line is unknown.

And nice job Plaidmoon2 & jerseydude
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on December 21, 2009, 08:10:37 AM
If Hunters Point was used, there are 2 massive structures in that area, Candlestick Park (current home of the SF 49ers football team and site of the famous Earthquake Game during the 1989 World Series) and the Hunters Point Naval Shipyard.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 21, 2009, 08:22:09 AM
If Hunters Point was used, there are 2 massive structures in that area, Candlestick Park (current home of the SF 49ers football team and site of the famous Earthquake Game during the 1989 World Series) and the Hunters Point Naval Shipyard.
Candlestick was brought up by Boingo, it might be a good choice. I love the shipyard idea as well.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 21, 2009, 08:47:08 AM
If Hunters Point was used, there are 2 massive structures in that area, Candlestick Park (current home of the SF 49ers football team and site of the famous Earthquake Game during the 1989 World Series) and the Hunters Point Naval Shipyard.
Candlestick was brought up by Boingo, it might be a good choice. I love the shipyard idea as well.

I'm almost wondering if someone is pulling your leg. I'm kind of surprised about Hunter's Point being involved. It's reputation is that it's the most ghetto-like part of San Francisco. I believe it is starting to be gentrified in recent years, so it's probably improving. I think you've covered the likeliest locations in that area. I'm fairly sure Candlestick Park was available since the 49ers played in Philadelphia yesterday. As for the Hunter's Point Naval Shipyard, it's been closed for decades and I'm not sure anything much has ever been done with it. It might offer a gritty type of location sort of like the start at the Los Angeles River in TAR 15.

Now that I think about it, there is an old auditorium roughly in that area, the Cow Palace, just across the border in Daly City. Also a couple of parks, McLaren Park and Candlestick Point State Recreation Area, but I don't know much about them.

One thing the Hunter's Point locations have is that they should allow for good isolation and security.

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 21, 2009, 08:54:22 AM
That's been brought up as well, maybe the general area of Hunters Point? Could have been used as a reference as in area only? I'm not familiar with San Fran. I like the isolation point.



I'm almost wondering if someone is pulling your leg. I'm kind of surprised about Hunter's Point being involved. It's reputation is that it's the most ghetto-like part of San Francisco. I believe it is starting to be gentrified in recent years, so it's probably improving. I think you've covered the likeliest locations in that area. I'm fairly sure Candlestick Park was available since the 49ers played in Philadelphia yesterday. As for the Hunter's Point Naval Shipyard, it's been closed for decades and I'm not sure anything much has ever been done with it. It might offer a gritty type of location sort of like the start at the Los Angeles River in TAR 15.

Now that I think about it, there is an old auditorium roughly in that area, the Cow Palace, just across the border in Daly City. Also a couple of parks, McLaren Park and Candlestick Point State Recreation Area, but I don't know much about them.

One thing the Hunter's Point locations have is that they should allow for good isolation and security.

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 21, 2009, 09:03:51 AM
I did do a search on McLaren Park. It's the second largest park in San Francisco at 317 acres, so it's reasonably good sized. I saw pictures of a pretty little lake and a striking 700 seat amphitheater, the Jerry Garcia Amphitheater, so it has possibilities. It also has a 9 hole golf course, for what it's worth. I'd post the pictures, but they were just thumbnails. I'm out of time for further searching this morning, so I'll leave it for others to do more digging if so inclined.

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 21, 2009, 09:14:14 AM
That's been brought up as well, maybe the general area of Hunters Point? Could have been used as a reference as in area only? I'm not familiar with San Fran. I like the isolation point.



The idea of Hunter's Point has me scratching my head. All the famous and touristy stuff is mainly in the northern and western part of the city. The southern and particularly the southeastern area where Hunter's Point is are just neighborhoods, poor neighborhoods at that. There's nothing terribly interesting there. At least not up until I left the area in the late 1990s. I actually commuted to school about a mile or two from Hunter's Point for a couple of years back in the 1980s and not once did anybody ever suggest a reason for going over to Hunters Point. It's like the old saying about Oakland. There's no there there.

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: topaz on December 21, 2009, 10:32:24 AM
in my theory, I think these will be the places and route legs for TAR 16 according to some speculations and reports:

starting point: Los Angeles, USA

Leg 1: Puerto Varas, Chile - 1st non-elimination leg
Leg 2: Puerto Montt, Chile - *
Leg 3: Bariloche, Argentina - *
Leg 4: somewhere in Germany - a blind U-turn to be installed
Leg 5/6: probably somewhere in Europe or a Middle Eastern countries which will be the 1st time to be feature in TAR like Latvia, Slovakia, Moldavia, Slovenia, Belarus, Macedonia, Malta, Cyprus, Qatar, Bahrain and JORDAN. - 2nd non-elimination leg
Leg 7: Kuala Lumpur and Penang, Malaysia
Leg 8: Singapore
Leg 9: Brunei or Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia
Leg 10: Shanghai, China - 3rd non-elimination leg and 2nd U-turn to be installed
Leg 11: Shanghai, China
Final leg: San Francisco, USA

* = means there might be a Switchback road block task.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ltvols on December 21, 2009, 11:08:55 AM
I really don't think Hunter's Point was a site for the race.  Yes, the shipyard thing would be cool - but well, just google Hunter's Point, or search Hunter's Point in Twitter.....just don't think it was used!  Perhaps an attempt to throw people off!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Boingo on December 21, 2009, 11:23:53 AM
 Just thinkin' out loud here, but this whole 19th vs. 20th finish brings up a few ideas.... we know the JJs and other losers from Mexico sequester arrived in SFO on the 19th (morning?).  Get's one thinking, would BVM risk a flight delay from Mexico to rush the racers to the finish line that same day (SFO is known for fog delays, and I think I read somewhere there was fog in the area on the 19th).  The remaining losers would be fine, as they travel with the final 3 teams as decoys.  If they are delayed then they just move the finish to the next day.  If I were WRP, I would bring the Mexico losers in a day early, just so they would be ready when the final 3 arrive.  So that would imply a final on the 20th.  Not that is really happened that way, but would explain a lot.  OK, I'm done thinking right now.  Carry on.  :cmas23

Edited to add:  :groan:  ...nevermind, JJ and others arrived @SFO Friday 18th, in the evening...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ltvols on December 21, 2009, 11:44:25 AM
What "IF" two of the teams were a day behind or a day ahead of the the other team......that would make for two finale's per se....  It's not like a regular leg where Phil  can just go get them....they would, IMO, let them finish the tasks and race to the finish line.

i found this article describing time zone's, flying from china, etc.... from TAR back in 2001 - it's interesting to say the least

http://www.hasbrouck.org/amazingrace/index_12.html

Here's part of the article that got me thinking.....

Any of the racers who figured out this option could have left Beijing within minutes of the San Francisco nonstop, connected in Seoul, and (after crossing the International Date Line) arrived in Anchorage the same morning, twelve hours ahead of those who continued on to San Francisco and then had to double back north to Alaska. Since they wouldn't have had to spend the night before being able to start their tasks in Alaska, they would effectively have gained almost 24 hours on the other teams.

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Boingo on December 21, 2009, 11:45:42 AM
I did do a search on McLaren Park. It's the second largest park in San Francisco at 317 acres, so it's reasonably good sized. I saw pictures of a pretty little lake and a striking 700 seat amphitheater, the Jerry Garcia Amphitheater, so it has possibilities. It also has a 9 hole golf course, for what it's worth. I'd post the pictures, but they were just thumbnails. I'm out of time for further searching this morning, so I'll leave it for others to do more digging if so inclined.

Plaidmoon

No use scratching your head over this when there is a simpler solution.  Sounds like you are a local, so an actual visit to the locations in question could answer some questions.  If anyones up to scouting the "not so nice" neighborhood of Hunter's Point, and ask a few questions of the people there you may come up with some actual sightings and dates.  Just a thought.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 21, 2009, 12:02:40 PM
Hunter's Point used to have a bad rep, as I understand. It was known as a drug area, had a toxic waste clean up site....but it appears that the area is being gentrified and slated for a lot of development.

Can NOT rule this out. ;)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ltvols on December 21, 2009, 12:18:19 PM
well it is only 8 miles from coit tower....maybe candlestick park
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Chateau d If on December 21, 2009, 12:31:38 PM
I will die if the final mat is in Candlestick Park. 

I was staring right at it from 1000 ft elevation at 10:48 am.  I did not think to look closely for anything in the field.  But if I did look and there was production in the field then I would have seen it.   :groan:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 21, 2009, 02:54:28 PM
I will die if the final mat is in Candlestick Park. 

I was staring right at it from 1000 ft elevation at 10:48 am.  I did not think to look closely for anything in the field.  But if I did look and there was production in the field then I would have seen it.   :groan:
:chute: would you have jumped out of the plane?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on December 21, 2009, 03:38:29 PM
Just thinkin' out loud here, but this whole 19th vs. 20th finish brings up a few ideas.... we know the JJs and other losers from Mexico sequester arrived in SFO on the 19th (morning?).  Get's one thinking, would BVM risk a flight delay from Mexico to rush the racers to the finish line that same day (SFO is known for fog delays, and I think I read somewhere there was fog in the area on the 19th).  The remaining losers would be fine, as they travel with the final 3 teams as decoys.  If they are delayed then they just move the finish to the next day.  If I were WRP, I would bring the Mexico losers in a day early, just so they would be ready when the final 3 arrive.  So that would imply a final on the 20th.  Not that is really happened that way, but would explain a lot.  OK, I'm done thinking right now.  Carry on.  :cmas23
boingo,
If you look at the logical nonstop flights from Puerto Vallarta to San Francisco (I listed them in another post), they are all arriving SFO in the early evening. The finale is typically (Las Vegas for AR15 was the only exception I can ever remember) fly-in in the early morning and winners reach the Finish Line later that morning. This necessitates having the teams not F3 or decoy arriving on the prior day, in this case no later than Dec. 19.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Boingo on December 21, 2009, 03:49:17 PM
OK, wasn't sure of their exact arrival time, but according to you the losers arrived in the evening, probably Friday 18th... which makes it possible for a 19th finale.  Makes sense.  Nevermind.   :cmas11
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 21, 2009, 07:58:45 PM
Wait, why am I so happy?  :cmas4 Louie & Mike  :cmas4
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: kristin626 on December 21, 2009, 08:13:46 PM
So with the pictures of Mike/Louie (the detectives) arriving at SFO with production and not appearing to be racing, do we think the Singapore shots are real or decoy?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 21, 2009, 08:20:03 PM
So with the pictures of Mike/Louie (the detectives) arriving at SFO with production and not appearing to be racing, do we think the Singapore shots are real or decoy?
I'd say Singapore they are in race mode  ..
Darn I wanted them to go far!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RealityFreakWill on December 21, 2009, 08:21:32 PM
Sorry about that chief!

I thought for sure they would make the final leg  :cmas13
Any more pictures Chateau and yeah that, they looked like a very strong team  :cmas13

I thought they would be one of F3....I bet they finished 4th. Until we get more spoilage, I'm gonna take a stab and predict the F3 to be Caitlin/Brent, the frat boys and the cowboys.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Sailing on December 21, 2009, 08:23:39 PM
The short hair f/f team could be final 3 as well.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 21, 2009, 08:59:38 PM
Short haired Females were spotted in F4 along with Cowboys, Michael and Louis and Brent and Caitlin so that must mean that Frat Boys finish 5th
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 21, 2009, 09:15:00 PM
yup looking like the females -- cowboys -- Brentlin might be our final 3
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: rstevens on December 21, 2009, 09:19:35 PM
yup looking like the females -- cowboys -- Brentlin might be our final 3





  But didnt the picture show cowboys not racing? Im confused
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Sailing on December 21, 2009, 09:23:16 PM
yup looking like the females -- cowboys -- Brentlin might be our final 3





  But didnt the picture show cowboys not racing? Im confused

The Cowboys were spotted at the San Fran airport on the 20th. Someone tweeted about them racing for a cab I believe.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 21, 2009, 09:27:06 PM
yup looking like the females -- cowboys -- Brentlin might be our final 3





  But didnt the picture show cowboys not racing? Im confused
No photos I know of  :cmas5 ? The detectives yes, Cowboys no if that helps?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: rstevens on December 21, 2009, 09:44:11 PM
yup looking like the females -- cowboys -- Brentlin might be our final 3





  But didnt the picture show cowboys not racing? Im confused
No photos I know of  :cmas5 ? The detectives yes, Cowboys no if that helps?

LOL I thought Mike and Louis were the cowboys.  :groan: Nevermind
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 21, 2009, 10:14:02 PM
They're the 'detectives' haha.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 21, 2009, 10:37:40 PM
Short haired Females were spotted in F4 along with Cowboys, Michael and Louis and Brent and Caitlin so that must mean that Frat Boys finish 5th
Wait, where were the Cowboys spotted in the final 4? I thought final 3? Which could possibly make them decoys right?

wow we are way off topic  :cmaslol

fixed ..........
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 21, 2009, 10:57:42 PM
Apparently they were rushing into a cab (rings out F3, I hope haha)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on December 21, 2009, 10:59:13 PM
yup looking like the females -- cowboys -- Brentlin might be our final 3





  But didnt the picture show cowboys not racing? Im confused
No photos I know of  :cmas5 ? The detectives yes, Cowboys no if that helps?

LOL I thought Mike and Louis were the cowboys.  :groan: Nevermind

LOL, I was thinking the same thing until two days ago! :cmaslol
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on December 21, 2009, 11:20:35 PM
Apparently they were rushing into a cab (rings out F3, I hope haha)
Remember the video of Matt and Gary rushing around Vegas and into a cab? You just never can be sure right?

video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEbZ_kCGSDE)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 21, 2009, 11:36:49 PM
I did do a search on McLaren Park. It's the second largest park in San Francisco at 317 acres, so it's reasonably good sized. I saw pictures of a pretty little lake and a striking 700 seat amphitheater, the Jerry Garcia Amphitheater, so it has possibilities. It also has a 9 hole golf course, for what it's worth. I'd post the pictures, but they were just thumbnails. I'm out of time for further searching this morning, so I'll leave it for others to do more digging if so inclined.

Plaidmoon

No use scratching your head over this when there is a simpler solution.  Sounds like you are a local, so an actual visit to the locations in question could answer some questions.  If anyones up to scouting the "not so nice" neighborhood of Hunter's Point, and ask a few questions of the people there you may come up with some actual sightings and dates.  Just a thought.  Good luck.

I used to be a local. I grew up in Oakland and lived in the area until I was 35. I moved away in 1997 and have only been back a few times since. I'm just going on my past knowledge and what I'm able to google up. I'm in Oregon these days and a trip to back to San Francisco isn't very likely before TAR 16 airs. My wife thinks I'm nuts to be wasting my free time on TAR detective work. I don't think she'd approve of me flying down for a few days to nose about around Hunters Point.  :cmas12  I'm not that obsessed anyhow. Thank goodness.

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 21, 2009, 11:42:01 PM
Thank goodness SOME of us are. :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Chateau d If on December 22, 2009, 12:03:27 AM
If I were WRP I would send out different sets of decoys in each of the final cities and on many different days.   :cmas10

But I would not send them out with checked-bag tags still in place  :cmaslol

 :cmas23
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Belle Book on December 22, 2009, 09:25:49 AM
yup looking like the females -- cowboys -- Brentlin might be our final 3

Well, at least I can hope that an all-female team wins -- even if it's not the one I would like to see win.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 22, 2009, 03:08:28 PM
They're probably great women!
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Post by: Benedicto on December 24, 2009, 06:02:34 AM
I wish Jordeff got back in a twist...  :cmas4
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 29, 2009, 07:18:20 PM
With BIG thanks to TrebledTimes at TWoP for this elaboration on his original sighting on 12/20 in San Fran: (He was linked to our photos for comparisons)

Quote
What I can say with 100% certainty was that it was noon PST at the corner of Larkin and California Streets. What I saw were two large guys wearing navy blue fleeces or jackets carrying what looked like a large locked trunk. I was across the street and they were facing the other direction. I'm not sure I could even hazard a guess based on those photos, although I would say with 90% certainty they were wearing navy blue. And the film crew were quite agro (they nearly knocked me over, which is why I noticed what they were doing) which leads me to believe it was actual footage they were after.


The Professional Bull Riders web site http://pbrnow.com (http://pbrnow.com) lists Cord McCoy as 5'9"" and 150 pounds. From the picture I saw of Jet and Cord together, they are about the same size. Since TrebledTimes says the two guys he saw were large, I think that rules out the McCoys. My guess is that it is Mike and Louie.

I've been pondering where they would have been heading with a trunk in that neighborhood going from the Great American Music Hall to that intersection and I'm stumped. My first thought was that if they head west on California, they could be going to one of the historic old hotels on Nob Hill, a steep uphill climb of 5 to 6 blocks from there. However, I can't think of a good cover story reason for doing that as a task.

"Bellhop or Cable Drop. In old San Francisco, bellhops frequently had to carry entertainers luggage from the nightclub to their hotel. Alternately, San Francisco fireman have to be able to lower themselves down the sides of buildings on a rope. Your detour is to either haul luggage from the Great American Music hall to the Fairmont Hotel or to rappel down the side of Coit Tower."

That doesn't sound like final leg material to me. If the two guys with a trunk were running a decoy leg then they could have just been going in a random course to confuse people like us.

Plaidmoon

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on December 29, 2009, 08:21:09 PM
It is the aggressive film crew that is stumping me...by that time they are usually telling their team to slow down, lol....

Love the spec Detour though!! :tup:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on December 30, 2009, 02:59:42 AM
It is the aggressive film crew that is stumping me...by that time they are usually telling their team to slow down, lol....

Love the spec Detour though!! :tup:

Yeah, the aggressive film crew (and he referred to them as they) doesn't fit with a decoy team given what has been done in past seasons. That confuses me too. Last season it was easy to spot because they just had one cameraman and no sound guy and they weren't very intense about what they were doing. Perhaps they are trying to make the decoys look more real this time.

Or perhaps we need more clues.  :cmas11

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Mister RC on December 30, 2009, 06:12:48 PM
Nevermind
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: catzoid on December 31, 2009, 07:03:06 AM
It is the aggressive film crew that is stumping me...by that time they are usually telling their team to slow down, lol....

Love the spec Detour though!! :tup:

Yeah, the aggressive film crew (and he referred to them as they) doesn't fit with a decoy team given what has been done in past seasons. That confuses me too. Last season it was easy to spot because they just had one cameraman and no sound guy and they weren't very intense about what they were doing. Perhaps they are trying to make the decoys look more real this time.

Newbie sleuth question: why is it assumed that this is a decoy team and not the real thing? How do you tell the difference other than crew behavior? I assume there's something to do with finish line timing. Has that been tied into what this team was doing?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Paron on December 31, 2009, 04:31:01 PM
yup looking like the females -- cowboys -- Brentlin might be our final 3

Well, at least I can hope that an all-female team wins -- even if it's not the one I would like to see win.
Do we know for certain, though?  Especially with the sudden thoughts that Steve & Allie, the father/daughter team, might be there instead?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 31, 2009, 05:36:40 PM
I think they are the Singapore spoiler (man or possibly woman with grey hair) and its Steve not Carol. Sadly I think its the exact same as TAR15. Maria and Tiff - 6th, F5 contains 3 M/M teams and 2 Co-ed and 2 back to back M/M eliminations for 5th and 4th ala Gary and Matt, FT and BE ala Dan and Jordan, Michael and Louis and F3 of 2 coeds and 1 mm. The same as TAR15
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Post by: ZBC Company on December 31, 2009, 05:40:35 PM
When will get woman team to win i think peach should apply then see if she could win
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: mjriches2005 on December 31, 2009, 08:04:46 PM
I am really thinking that Shanghai will not be revisited this season since Season6.  Film crew at Nanjing Road sounds very weird.  Nanjing Road is a busy shopping area in Shanghai they could just be using decoys there and sent the real final 4 to a different location.  About the SFO airport, United is the only airline that flies to/from Shanghai.  Other carriers that fly out of Boarding area G are:
-Air China, Air New Zealand, All Nippon, Emirates, EVA Air, Lufthansa, Singapore Airlines, and United (from Beijing, Cancun, Frankfurt, Ho Chi Minh City, Hong Kong, London-Heathrow, Mexico City, Osaka, Puerto Vallerta, San Jose del Cabo, Seoul, Shanghai, Sydney, and Tokyo)  My point is that to my guess and speculation Shanghai is a decoy leg since there is very little evidence other than crew spotted at Nanjing Road and the teams arriving at the United Int'l Gate area of SFO Airport.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on January 01, 2010, 12:53:45 AM
It is the aggressive film crew that is stumping me...by that time they are usually telling their team to slow down, lol....

Love the spec Detour though!! :tup:

Yeah, the aggressive film crew (and he referred to them as they) doesn't fit with a decoy team given what has been done in past seasons. That confuses me too. Last season it was easy to spot because they just had one cameraman and no sound guy and they weren't very intense about what they were doing. Perhaps they are trying to make the decoys look more real this time.

Newbie sleuth question: why is it assumed that this is a decoy team and not the real thing? How do you tell the difference other than crew behavior? I assume there's something to do with finish line timing. Has that been tied into what this team was doing?

If you look on Pages 15 and 16 of the Destinations/Locations thread, Chateau d If was at the San Francisco airport when the Amazing Race production team arrived from China and he took pictures of their arrival. A couple of them are just a few messages up on this page. Anyway, as it turned out, he got a picture or two of Mike and Louie arriving with the production people and they were in no hurry to leave the airport and get on with the race. The assumption is that they were eliminated on one of the last legs and were kept on as a decoy team. Therefore, since we think they were eliminated in Singapore or Shanghai, if they were racing in San Francisco, they must be decoys. The problem around here is if you aren't keeping up with all the threads, people will use previously disclosed information without explanation and you won't know why something is assumed to be true (like Mike and Louie being decoys).

As for the crew activity, I'm still rather a newbie at this too, but last season, the decoy teams had only a camera guy following them. The camera used had a microphone mounted on it. The real teams had (and always have) both a camera guy (with no microphone on the camera) and a sound guy with a boom mic. Also, we had pictures of Tiffany and Maria racing with big wide grins in Talinn and it just didn't look right. The pictures of Flight Time and Big Easy in Las Vegas showed airline baggage check tags on their backpacks. Racing teams don't check their backpacks in, they take them on board so they can leave more quickly. It's little clues like that. The decoys are usually always running at a different time from the real teams, but usually we don't have the times pinned down carefully enough to check for that.

Plaidmoon

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 01, 2010, 01:47:48 AM
Thanks for the explanation, Plaidmoon!

For the new members, page one of each of the spoiler threads and the Timeline are constantly updated, and are the best place to check for a summary of what is known to date.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 01, 2010, 02:11:00 AM
We believe that teams arrived directly from Shanghai though.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Paron on January 01, 2010, 03:14:06 AM
We believe that teams arrived directly from Shanghai though.
Then Shanghai must either be the F7 leg, where the last sequester team goes out, or the F6 leg, where, I'm fearing, Carol & Brandy go out.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 01, 2010, 03:30:30 AM
Shanghai is believed to be the last leg before the Finale...so either a NEL, or much more likely, where we say goodbye to the 4th place team, who will then run decoy, and not go to ES.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: catzoid on January 01, 2010, 11:32:51 AM
Thanks, Plaidmoon and Georgiapeach.  :cmas26

Since I'm unlikely to memorize everything in a thread, it's good to know that the first page of each thread contains a status update. That's such a great idea, and I wish every site with spoilers would do that.

If they want to throw off the sleuths, production really should provide some kind of incentive (like a $1K bonus) for the decoys to race more seriously. Maybe they did this time, which would account for M&L appearing to race in earnest when they had the box in SF.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on January 01, 2010, 12:10:55 PM
or maybe they told the crew, "You better make it look like this team is still racing, or you're fired."  :rules:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Paron on January 01, 2010, 07:34:53 PM
Shanghai is believed to be the last leg before the Finale...so either a NEL, or much more likely, where we say goodbye to the 4th place team, who will then run decoy, and not go to ES.
Oh, Shanghai is F4.  I thought Singapore was.  Then what are Singapore and Malaysia?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on January 01, 2010, 09:53:41 PM
Shanghai is believed to be the last leg before the Finale...so either a NEL, or much more likely, where we say goodbye to the 4th place team, who will then run decoy, and not go to ES.
Oh, Shanghai is F4.  I thought Singapore was.  Then what are Singapore and Malaysia?

Singapore is probably F4 NEL, and Penang, Malaysia is most likely F5

or  :colealert:
it could be Penang F7 DEL, Singapore F5, and Shanghai F4, but then in a twist have 4 teams racing for the finale  :neener:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on January 03, 2010, 10:49:27 PM
I did a search of the blogs posted since the first of the year and came up with a few intriguing hits. I'm not sure there's anything useful, but I thought I'd post what I found rather than let anything go unnoticed.

A high school student in Singapore posted a possible but doubtful sighting at http://dillonchewxd.blogspot.com/2010/01/amazing-race-16-visited-singapore.html (http://dillonchewxd.blogspot.com/2010/01/amazing-race-16-visited-singapore.html). I can't copy and paste it, but he saw 2 people dressed in green with large backpacks on the mrt (subway?) around Dec. 17th-20th. He said there was no camera crew, so it seems unlikely to be TAR. He seemed to think it was the Amazing Race, but the race was in the local news at about that time, so he may have been watching and hoping to see possible racers. I'm not sure who the green team is and whether they were confirmed out of the race by then.

Here's a Spanish reality web site blog at http://bit.ly/6soPpQ (http://bit.ly/6soPpQ). It's mostly a rehash of stuff we already know. I thought I'd found a nugget or two, but now I think it was just poorly written. It mentions on the Puerto Varas leg visiting Petrohué, Isla Margarita and Onces Bellavista, which I think we already knew. It also talks about Singapore and it says they had a stop at the Hibiki Japanese restaurant but the quote from the receptionist suggests that she merely saw a helicopter filming in the area. It also says that the pit stop was at Mount Faber and that actress and former Miss Singapore Universe Jaime Teo greeted them. I thought that was news, but then I remembered that the leg in Singapore in season 3 ended that way. So probably not much new there.

Finally, from an unlikely source, http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2010/01/marines_ontap_010110w/ (http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2010/01/marines_ontap_010110w/), comes this rumor:

12 things Marines can expect in 2010

12. Marines in pop culture

Also on tap: A flurry of possible Marine appearances on popular television shows, including “The Amazing Race,” “The Jeff Dunham Show” and Gunnery Sgt. — and Marine legend — R. Lee Ermey’s newest show, “Lock ’N Load.”


That could mean almost anything. I don't think we have any marines racing this season, unless they are former marines. Perhaps the Marines will help on a portion of a leg. Indulging in some very wild speculation without a shred of evidence, if the US military is involved in season 16, it might be possible that they have a leg at Diego Garcia. I believe there are Marines there and it's located conveniently between Africa and Penang, Malaysia. However, the Diego Garcia residents were evicted in the 1970s to make room for the US and British military (probably don't want to bring up controversy) and there is no airline service, so they would have to use military planes. This makes the photo of Phil at an airport McDonald's enroute to Penang unlikely.  I can't think of any other naval bases in the southern hemisphere that would fit what we know of the race itinerary so far. A leg on an aircraft carrier would be fun, but I doubt it would be possible. Perhaps the rumor is about possible involvement in season 17.

So once again, there's not much concrete news here, just some possible scraps of info and a rumor or two.

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: topaz on January 04, 2010, 06:05:00 AM
If San Francisco is the final city for TAR 16, hope they should go to the famous Pier 39 where it is a relaxing place for the sea lions but I read this sad news about it: http://www.mb.com.ph/node/236311/
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on January 06, 2010, 06:09:38 AM
I found this picture that appears to show the Mompreneurs at a flea market. From the hairdo, I think you see the back of Monique's head, while LaShawne is obscured. I'm not sure what to make of it. The photo is entitled Amazing Race Argentine Style. The person that posted it was apparently honeymooning in Buenos Aires and the next picture in the photostream says it is a picture of a corner bar taken on their first night in Buenos Aires. The exif data of the Mompreneurs photo says the photo was taken at 8:58 AM PST (Pacific Standard Time - they also have a folder named "Home (PDX)" on their page which is Portland OR) on November 29th, 2009. That would be 1:58 PM in Buenos Aires. However, our timeline says they were in Valparaiso, Chile on November 29th. That would make the time 11:58 AM in Valparaiso. Could this be the Cardonal Market in Valparaiso?  It's certainly different than the market Phil was standing in front of in the picture we have. Would they visit a flea market in Buenos Aires after going to a market in Valparaiso? Here is the text that came with the photo:

This couple, laden with enormous backpack, burst into the flea market screaming, "Does anyone know where the...(something, I couldn't make it out) is? We need the (blah blah blah)!" At first I thought they were nuts, but then this guy at one of the stalls produced this envelope that they needed. And THEN we saw the camera crews. I think they may have restaged the handing over of the envelope.

Given the title of the photo, I have to think the date was wrong in the camera, since the person who put it up would know what country they were in. I suppose it could be a false signal to confuse us but they posted 982 pictures in their photo stream, so I doubt it. That's a lot of work. I'll go out on a limb and say we have evidence of a leg in Buenos Aires.

The guy in the Missouri (Michigan?) T shirt looks familiar or at least the shirt does. Do we have a picture of someone wearing a shirt like that? I'm guessing it's the sound guy.

I've looked at a youtube video of the San Telmo Sunday Flea Market in Buenos Aires and it looks similar to the picture below. November 29th was a Sunday. But that makes no sense given what we already know timeline wise. I'm puzzled and confused.

 :idgit

Plaidmoon

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on January 06, 2010, 08:07:05 AM
Plaidmoon2,

Your information about a potential Buenos Aires leg is particularly interesting because we are looking for something to fill the hole between Bariloche on maybe Dec. 3 and Asuncion on Dec. 5 or 6. Buenos Aires as the air hub through which teams probably had to go would be an ideal location for a leg. Also, the Amazing Race has gone there only for AR5 (Recoleta Cemetery, Perro or Tango DETOUR, and a corral ROADBLOCK in La Invernada 60 miles away) and AR7 (only taking a train 20 miles to tigre and DETOUR Shipwreck or Island at Tigre), so a visit in AR16 would have been timely.

We have seen that date stamps on cameras are frequently far off the real time, so that could explain why the date stamp says Nov. 29, when Amazing Race 16 teams would have been landing in Valparaiso and continuing to Vina del Mar then.

However, the couple taking the pictures was on their honeymoon from Nov. 21 to Nov. 29. I doubt that they would have allowed the public display of the pictures of that trip to go out with wrong dates. That implies that the "Amazing Race" they viewed was a local one for the Buenos Aires area.
  
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Coutzy on January 06, 2010, 08:48:49 AM
That's a valid point, but would people working for an Argentinian version of the race have what I suspect is a Michigan shirt?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: woden on January 06, 2010, 09:01:49 AM
Some kind of TAR look-alike in Buenos Aires 11/29 -- just throwing this in here in case it matches descriptions of future "spoilers."

We know there was something like TAR going on in Buenos Aires on 11/29. This is not our race.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 06, 2010, 09:08:57 AM
What do we know??  ???
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: 2old4tech on January 06, 2010, 09:19:45 AM
Just throwin' this in:

Buenos Aires
11-29 Rain 8:30 AM to 3:00 PM
11-30 no rain
12-01 Rain after 9:00 PM
12-02 Rain ending by 1:00 AM
12-03 no rain


...and would a local race be in English?  :duno:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 06, 2010, 09:26:58 AM
puddin also posted this in the TAR races around the world thread this morning, so she must also remember something else too. Dates are just off for us, if they are right.

At the moment, I have no memory of the local whatever..........hopefully something will jog my brain. :lol:

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: 2old4tech on January 06, 2010, 09:28:17 AM
Hairdo does look right.  Gray backpack strap, too (ignore the rain cover).
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ZBC Company on January 06, 2010, 09:45:38 AM
That peach with laddies with braddies look like one of are teams
(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8580/shawne.jpg)
Could be her
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Slowhatch on January 06, 2010, 10:03:50 AM
Interesting find, Plaidmoon. The Feria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feria_de_San_Telmo) de San Pedro Telmo takes place on Sundays; the booth in the picture belongs to Juanita Rosemblat (can't link to it directly; go here (http://www.feriadesantelmo.com/menu.htm) and choose "puestos" for booths and "como llegar" for a map).
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: woden on January 06, 2010, 10:46:55 AM
Here's the info we had on the TAR lookalike in BA on 11/29, plus a picture. I believe there are more pics somewhere...  ???
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 06, 2010, 10:48:19 AM
Thanks for this too woden!!

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21199.msg499478.html#msg499478

We thought it might be that Pekin Express thing...remember the guy in the desert on the bike??

Darn though. :(
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Boingo on January 06, 2010, 10:53:24 AM
 :lol: when I posted a TAR San Telmo sighting in BA last year here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21253.msg505733.html#msg505733), no one seemed too excited.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: jerseydude on January 06, 2010, 10:53:50 AM
These took pictures should be from the same Race. Look at the old couple circled in Red.

(http://i49.[banned image hosting site].com/ta31hs.jpg)

(http://i47.[banned image hosting site].com/14lhmw1.jpg)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: woden on January 06, 2010, 10:54:56 AM
Good eyes, jerseydude!  :yess:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: retard boi on January 06, 2010, 11:09:57 AM
Joseph and Heidi?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Boingo on January 06, 2010, 11:16:11 AM
 :groan:  ummm... is it me, or are others NOT seeing any AMAZING FANNY PACKS in any of these BA sightings.

ETA: ... come to think of it, the name "Fanny Pack" is a bit dated, as it has grown over the seasons to become "The Amazing Over The Shoulder Bag"   :lol3:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Chateau d If on January 06, 2010, 11:42:35 AM
And the camera date is correct:  The shot of (non-TAR16) racers was indeed November 29th   :tup:

This Polo match pictured in their album has a date stamp of November 28th:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4071/4249633485_6dc5283463.jpg)

And here is a run-down (http://www.poloargentino.com/downloads/TJ_2009_4.pdf) of the horses that played at the Polermo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campo_Argentino_de_Polo) (that is where the shot was taken) on November 28th.  Notice the four horses' names that are displayed in the shot for team Chapa Uno:

Chapa Barbaro
Fantastica
Majestade
Pita Poy

Those names also appear in the run-down.

 :badhorse:


The time is off by 4 hours and 50 minutes but that is because of the PST setting.  Argentina is 5 hours ahead of PST on November 29th.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/4250463566_645ebdd921.jpg)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on January 06, 2010, 12:08:14 PM
:lol: when I posted a TAR San Telmo sighting in BA last year here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21253.msg505733.html#msg505733), no one seemed too excited.
Because I tied it in with the other sightings in Argentina on that date plus the gal is wearing jeans and well now you know the rest of the story.  :kuss:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Boingo on January 06, 2010, 12:26:49 PM
 :lol:  looks like the cowboys got an exemption from the "jeans" rule (at least for the start).  :lol3:  :duno:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on January 06, 2010, 01:14:02 PM
:lol:  looks like the cowboys got an exemption from the "jeans" rule (at least for the start).  :lol3:  :duno:
Damn you Boingo  :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: River on January 06, 2010, 06:41:20 PM
I know this is a local race, but gosh that hair looks similar!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: mjriches2005 on January 06, 2010, 07:15:06 PM
I researched Marine Corp bases in Africa/Asia and there are some possibilities:  Djibouti and Kuwait are the only possibilities.  Also I looked at Europe and found Germany has a US Marine Corp reserve in SW Germany in city called Boblingen, which is kind of near Stuttgart.  Airlines flying out Djibouti is also simple since Kenya Airways, Air France, and Ethiopian Airlines is has good majorities of flights to larger cities that connect to Dubai.  Kuwait is also good, but they visited Kuwait in Season10.  As for Diego Garcia mentioned in a different post, military aircraft would be the only way to get there and they would never actually get to go there anyway.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on January 06, 2010, 10:13:23 PM
Is it possible that, in a move designed to confuse RFF and others attempting to spoil AR16, WRP decided to split the location of the first leg and have about half go to Vina del Mar and the other half to Buenos Aires before joining up later in Santiago or Bariloche. This would be radical but how else can the apparent photos of 11/29 teams in Buenos Aires be reconciled? If split you could eliminate one team from both first leg locations or more likely have a NEL in both locations.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: theschnauzers on January 06, 2010, 10:39:34 PM
Since I already think we'll have an uberleg this season, so the show can get its finale in May, somehow, I'll put the idea of the first leg as a TBC or uber-leg as a way to reconcile the seeming inconsistency.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 06, 2010, 11:02:33 PM
Is it possible that, in a move designed to confuse RFF and others attempting to spoil AR16, WRP decided to split the location of the first leg and have about half go to Vina del Mar and the other half to Buenos Aires before joining up later in Santiago or Bariloche. This would be radical but how else can the apparent photos of 11/29 teams in Buenos Aires be reconciled? If split you could eliminate one team from both first leg locations or more likely have a NEL in both locations.

it is reported to be some sort of Argentina race... :duno:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: valor boreal on January 06, 2010, 11:03:37 PM
Somebody thought that the eliminated racers were sequestered in Mexico during the running of TAR9. I remember FrostieJ posting about Portugal.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on January 06, 2010, 11:07:50 PM
Some other version
Here: (http://travelsinspanish.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/san-telmo/)  :tup:
Quote
this past Sunday we stumbled upon the taping of what I believe to have been the French, or possibly Portugese, version of the reality TV show “The Amazing Race”.


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graytex    December 4, 2009 at 3:13 pm

Hi! I saw your pictures of the “Amazing Race” and was curious about what you saw. The US version is filming in South America and I’m tracking it. Can you tell me anything you saw? Maybe how many teams and a description? I don’t think it was the US version, but want to make sure. Thanks!
 

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travelsinspanish    December 5, 2009 at 12:09 am

We’re not sure that it was the actual “Amazing Race”, but definitely something like it. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the US version since the contestants weren’t speaking English (or Spanish), but that’s interesting that it’s currently filming in South America. It was pretty amusing watching the camera guys chase the contestants through the crowds. Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to get too many details, but the team of two girls seemed to be in the lead…
 
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on January 06, 2010, 11:17:36 PM
her album

http://www.flickr.com/photos/69328013@N00/sets/72157622902830744/
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on January 06, 2010, 11:32:25 PM
These took pictures should be from the same Race. Look at the old couple circled in Red.

(http://i49.[banned image hosting site].com/ta31hs.jpg)

(http://i47.[banned image hosting site].com/14lhmw1.jpg)

I think the older man is hidden to her left
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Slowhatch on January 06, 2010, 11:36:28 PM
If you enlarge the photo (http://picasaweb.google.com/dannyjwarner/ChileNovember7thTo22nd2009#5409668235701529026) you found recently, one of the contestants has similar hair.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on January 06, 2010, 11:42:28 PM
 :tup:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 06, 2010, 11:57:14 PM
darn, we are really hungry for some spoilers!! :funny:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 07, 2010, 12:17:42 AM
Just my two cents worth:

That team does awfully look like the Mompreneurs, although it appears to be the 'local race'. I think that the idea mentioned by apskip of a 'split-leg one' is feasable, although my guess is that no one is eliminated and all 11 teams are forced to meet up in the same second city afterwards.

It might be really strange, but it would be awesome! :luvx

:carryon:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Chateau d If on January 07, 2010, 01:17:33 AM
Okay, I can settle this.   ;)

Remember this post (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21187.msg496902.html#msg496902)? 

The Moms were going to Santiago Chile.  Not Buenos Aires.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on January 07, 2010, 08:57:31 AM
Chateau, that is a good try, but until someone can explain who the two African American women who look like the Mompreneurs are in the Buenos Aires outdoor photo, I will not be convinced. Something unusual and radical for Amazing Race 16 is possible until that denial can be substantiated. Photographic evidence on a plane is valuable but does not refute the notion that some teams were in Buenos Aires on Nov. 29.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: woden on January 07, 2010, 09:55:05 AM
If you enlarge the photo (http://picasaweb.google.com/dannyjwarner/ChileNovember7thTo22nd2009#5409668235701529026) you found recently, one of the contestants has similar hair.

Umm... apskip?  :waves: Did you see the photo above? I'm including it again below. Consider it proven -- this is a contestant on another race (probably Pekin Express).

Also, we have NO elderly M/F teams on our race.

Also, NO ONE in these shots has backpack tags/fanny packs.

Not to mention that we do NOT have a photo of "two African American women" in Buenos Aires on 11/29 -- we have a picture of one person with braided hair who may or may not be African-American.

What we do have is the image below is this woman with her partner, who is clearly not African-American.

Why will this 11/29 Buenos Aires thing not go away? And can we get a breathing heavily, exasperated smiley, please?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ZBC Company on January 07, 2010, 09:57:29 AM
cant be french edtoin
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ZBC Company on January 07, 2010, 09:58:30 AM
could it be tbc like season 9
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: walkingpneumonia on January 07, 2010, 01:04:04 PM
From here http://www.actualite-francaise.com/depeches/pekin-express-5eme-edition,7577.html (http://www.actualite-francaise.com/depeches/pekin-express-5eme-edition,7577.html) (dated December 21, 2009) and from the photos that were published of filming in the Chilean desert, we know that Peking Express was filming in South America when TAR was in the same general area.

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"(translated) The shooting that occurred a few weeks ago had the landscapes of Ecuador, Chile, Argentina, cities like Buenos Aires and Ushuaia.  The candidates, the moderator, and production have also visited places like the mythical stage of Diego Maradona, Boca Juniors, and candidates will try to Argentine tango!"

I'd like to start a Peking Express Spoilers thread to separate this stuff out - but not sure where to put it ... suggestions?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Slowhatch on January 07, 2010, 02:43:00 PM
Nice find. I had been looking for a PE blog or forum without success. (A side note: the latest season before our sightings--Revolution Route (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.net5.nl/web/show/id%3D105643/langid%3D43&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhgRiMpHJKIQfexdfN4xTeDn3ADJMA)--used themes as Neobie has suggested)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on January 07, 2010, 03:06:37 PM

I'd like to start a Peking Express Spoilers thread to separate this stuff out - but not sure where to put it ... suggestions?
The Discussion board would be great wp, you can add this as well.
.
http://budgetvideo.com/news.php
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 07, 2010, 03:28:16 PM

Why will this 11/29 Buenos Aires thing not go away? And can we get a breathing heavily, exasperated smiley, please?
Heeee...it is because we are desperate for some new spoilers, :funny:

Here.....borrow ugottobekiddingme's smiley!!

 :ugot :ugot :ugot
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Paron on January 07, 2010, 06:51:19 PM
could it be tbc like season 9
Perhaps, but I don't think they'd do it so soon after doing it in TAR14.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on January 07, 2010, 07:41:36 PM
could it be tbc like season 9
Perhaps, but I don't think they'd do it so soon after doing it in TAR14.

Oh, TAR can do TBCs any time they want. I just can't see them doing one that has a flight in the middle of the leg, as that can post a problem for the production and Phil's filming schedule.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: woden on January 08, 2010, 09:47:18 AM
Thank you, Peach!  :ugot

And let me toss in one of these:  :iok
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 09, 2010, 06:54:12 AM
And let me toss in one of these:  :iok
:lol3:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: mjriches2005 on January 09, 2010, 12:40:48 PM
There was a different post about the Germany/Paraguay ordeal.  Well I agree with the post about Nueva Germania in Paraguay.  I found an article on Wikipedia about Nueva Germania and it was established by Germans from the Saxony region around 1886.  And Nueva Germania is 297km (184 miles) from Asuncion, Paraguay. Also I found out that the place was founded by the Aryan people, which distinguished due to the harsh South American jungle enviroment and colonials that colonized the community forgotten the Aryan ways and adapted to the Paraguayan culture.  Today, Nueva Germania in the article is a quiet agricultural community.  Also Asuncion's Silvio Pettirossi International Airport have flights to Buenos Aires (International Airport), Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo (GRU), and Santa Cruz de la Sierra.  These places have major flight connections that could take teams from South America to Europe and Africa.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: north09 on January 09, 2010, 02:04:29 PM
Well if it is Nueva Germania, which seems quite plausable at this point, we still have to find some way to account for Europe. My best guess would be a small european country the race has yet to visit that wouldn't attract much attention.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on January 09, 2010, 02:53:12 PM
Well if it is Nueva Germania, which seems quite plausible at this point, we still have to find some way to account for Europe. My best guess would be a small european country the race has yet to visit that wouldn't attract much attention.

North09,
I like your thinking on that. Here is a list of such countries:
1. Belgium
2. Luxembourg
3. Sardinia (not a country but an large owned by Italy)
4. Malta (should be in the category with tiny principalities below, but it is on this list just to please Michael)
5. Denmark
6. Latvia
7. Slovakia
8. Albania
9. Bulgaria (not exactly small, but definitely not well known)
10. Moldova
11. Serbia
12. Bosnia-Hercegovina (excluding the 9 mile crossing of the Neum Corridor in AR12)
13. Macedonia
14. Kosovo

I am ignoring the tiny principalities like Liechtenstein, Monaco, Andorra and Vatican City.

I personally like Slovakia as a country for AR16 to have visited. Its capital Bratislava is close to Vienna for air transportation. I would love to see Denmark in AR16 but it's quite a bit harder to stay unobserved there.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: mjriches2005 on January 09, 2010, 03:30:05 PM
I don't think Kosovo could have been visited due to the violence and dispute with Serbia.  Also Bratislava maybe close to Vienna for air transport but they do have their own int'l airport for the record.  And the tiny principalities could work due to the Vatican City being in Rome; San Marino close to Tuscany and Venice; Andorra being near Toulouse; Liechtenstein is near Zurich; and Monaco is right next to Nice.  Also the Balaeric Islands (Palma de Mallorca), Azores, Canary Islands, Greek Isles could also work due to the connections through Madrid, Barcelona, Lisbon, and Athens.  Plus one more thing is that maybe to my guess after South America they could have gone Africa (2 Legs), SE Europe or the Middle East (1 Leg) and SE Asia (1 Leg) until continuing on to Penang and so on.  The leg before Penang could be either be in Kuala Lumpur (obvious) or Indonesia (Sumatra, Java, or Bali).  If they did do a leg in Kuala Lumpur, I hope they visited the Ginteng Highlands.  Plus maybe for a roadblock, speedbump, or fastforward I like to see a team eat a Durian fruit due to its unusual smell and taste.  (Durian fruit idea is from Travel channel's Bizzarre Foods)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on January 09, 2010, 04:09:47 PM
The leg before Penang could be either be in Kuala Lumpur (obvious) or Indonesia (Sumatra, Java, or Bali).

Indonesia is too unstable, anyone heard of the Bali bombings and the Jakata hotel bombings? There are a lot of people who suggest Indonesia but just can't see how they can do it in the current climate.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 09, 2010, 04:29:48 PM
Maybe we should take all this to spec??
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: mjriches2005 on January 09, 2010, 06:05:54 PM
The leg before Penang could be either be in Kuala Lumpur (obvious) or Indonesia (Sumatra, Java, or Bali).

Indonesia is too unstable, anyone heard of the Bali bombings and the Jakata hotel bombings? There are a lot of people who suggest Indonesia but just can't see how they can do it in the current climate.

Last time I checked, the Bali bombing took place in 2005 and the Jakarta hotel bombing took place last July in 2009.  Since then, no bombings since those.  Indonesia is not a unstable country, they are improving their security and making it more safer for tourists and locals.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: chill_sd on January 09, 2010, 09:01:24 PM
For those speculating in the Sightings thread about Nueva Germania.  The original blog made a reference in Spanish to "Alemania," so the reference was definitely to Germany and not to some German area of South America.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Paron on January 09, 2010, 09:15:22 PM
Aw, I really wish we had more sightings to report.  It'd be easier to see who was really in or out at a certain point.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 09, 2010, 09:51:49 PM
Indonesia is NOT currently on the US State Dept list of travel warnings and alerts: (But Kenya, Tanzania, and Zanzibar are...)

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: theschnauzers on January 09, 2010, 10:01:59 PM

Oh, TAR can do TBCs any time they want. I just can't see them doing one that has a flight in the middle of the leg, as that can post a problem for the production and Phil's filming schedule.

TAR 9 TBC leg did in fact involve an international flight mid-leg. Teams had to fly out of Moscow (Red Square) to Germany and rach the BMW test track. True, it was the longest leg in TAR history in both distance and duration, but nonetheless TPTB did it.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 10, 2010, 06:45:57 AM

Oh, TAR can do TBCs any time they want. I just can't see them doing one that has a flight in the middle of the leg, as that can post a problem for the production and Phil's filming schedule.

TAR 9 TBC leg did in fact involve an international flight mid-leg. Teams had to fly out of Moscow (Red Square) to Germany and rach the BMW test track. True, it was the longest leg in TAR history in both distance and duration, but nonetheless TPTB did it.

And also the one in TAR10 (Madagascar - Finland - Ukraine) which I assume to be the second longest leg (although teams did not see Phil halfway through this one).
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on January 10, 2010, 02:54:52 PM
I wonder how they managed to get Phil to the pit stop mat before the racers, then.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on January 10, 2010, 03:47:49 PM
Indonesia is NOT currently on the US State Dept list of travel warnings and alerts: (But Kenya, Tanzania, and Zanzibar are...)

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html

Different list here in Australia. We have a threat level thing too. http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/reconsider.html

Not sure why you would want them to visit Bali anyway, its just full of drunken bogan Australian hoiliday makers (or Rednecks in US terms.)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on January 10, 2010, 03:51:48 PM
What about Montenegro? It's not on the list of "dangerous" countries, but is it also involved in the Serbia/Kosovo dispute?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on January 10, 2010, 06:02:08 PM
What about Montenegro? It's not on the list of "dangerous" countries, but is it also involved in the Serbia/Kosovo dispute?

Hooky, I can't claim to be an expert in the politics of Montenegro's relationship with Kosovo, but I can provide basic publicly available information relevant to your question:

Kosovan–Montenegrin relations are foreign relations between Kosovo and Montenegro. Kosovo declared its independence from Serbia on 17 February 2008 and Montenegro recognized it on 9 October 2008. Montenegro has about 10,000 displaced people from Kosovo, a thousand of whom would like to return to their hometowns. It is up to the governments of Kosovo and Montenegro to resolve it.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: valor boreal on January 11, 2010, 06:49:07 AM
I wonder how they managed to get Phil to the pit stop mat before the racers, then.
They had a 36 hour pit stop following the end of stage 2, followed by a bus trip. This would have given Phil a fair head start on the racers. Once they got to Germany, they had a decent sized self-drive as well.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on January 11, 2010, 08:21:21 AM
I wonder how they managed to get Phil to the pit stop mat before the racers, then.
They had a 36 hour pit stop following the end of stage 2, followed by a bus trip. This would have given Phil a fair head start on the racers. Once they got to Germany, they had a decent sized self-drive as well.

A self drive in Germany? Great! Do you have any more information about that? Or what else they do in Germany? From what we've been able to find so far, we aren't even sure if they went to Germany, so any details would be greatly appreciated.

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Chateau d If on January 11, 2010, 10:18:13 AM
 :groan:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on January 11, 2010, 11:01:10 AM
I wonder how they managed to get Phil to the pit stop mat before the racers, then.
They had a 36 hour pit stop following the end of stage 2, followed by a bus trip. This would have given Phil a fair head start on the racers. Once they got to Germany, they had a decent sized self-drive as well.

A self drive in Germany? Great! Do you have any more information about that? Or what else they do in Germany? From what we've been able to find so far, we aren't even sure if they went to Germany, so any details would be greatly appreciated.

Plaidmoon

I doubt they went to Germany this cycle. I have noticed that teams often self-drive when they visit that country, though.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on January 11, 2010, 03:35:52 PM
I wonder how they managed to get Phil to the pit stop mat before the racers, then.
They had a 36 hour pit stop following the end of stage 2, followed by a bus trip. This would have given Phil a fair head start on the racers. Once they got to Germany, they had a decent sized self-drive as well.

A self drive in Germany? Great! Do you have any more information about that? Or what else they do in Germany? From what we've been able to find so far, we aren't even sure if they went to Germany, so any details would be greatly appreciated.

Plaidmoon

 :lol: i think they were talking about the TBC in Season 9...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on January 11, 2010, 04:49:13 PM
I wonder how they managed to get Phil to the pit stop mat before the racers, then.
They had a 36 hour pit stop following the end of stage 2, followed by a bus trip. This would have given Phil a fair head start on the racers. Once they got to Germany, they had a decent sized self-drive as well.

A self drive in Germany? Great! Do you have any more information about that? Or what else they do in Germany? From what we've been able to find so far, we aren't even sure if they went to Germany, so any details would be greatly appreciated.

Plaidmoon

 :lol: i think they were talking about the TBC in Season 9...

And that is why puddin says "read the thread!" :lol3:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: puddin on January 11, 2010, 06:27:20 PM
Thats why puddin has just about given up  :lol:  :colors  :colors  ^^^^^^^^
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on January 11, 2010, 10:46:22 PM
Thats why puddin has just about given up  :lol:  :colors  :colors  ^^^^^^^^

OK, my mistake.  :ascared  I didn't read back to the top of the page and realize we were speculating about TAR 9 in the TAR 16 speculation thread.  :tup:

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: valor boreal on January 12, 2010, 03:52:34 AM
Oh dear, what have I done?

First I spark the discussion on Nueva Germania (which I'd edited out of my post after thinking it was too improbable) and then a discussion on the logistics of the TAR9 uberleg leads to at least one poster getting thoroughly confused.

In making this post, I have to add something to the TAR16 speculaiton, otherwise it would be essentially redundant.

If our Paraguay spoiler is correct (and if the flight schedules haven't changed in the past 2 months, there was a flight to Montevideo not long after the relevant Twitter posts were made), the racers would have probably been flying in from either Buenos Aires or Montevideo (or possibly Santa Cruz or Curitiba), but the date would have meant that they were already up to stage 5 or 6. Previously, there have never been more than 4 South American stages (3 if you leave out the Romber seasons) which would indicate that the spoiler was fake, but with no other firm spoilers between Bariloche and SE Asia (was there an airport sighting in Dubai?) and the fact that they didn't leave Asia until stage 7 in TAR15, maybe we can't completely discount the chance of production people actually being in the Asuncion airport.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 12, 2010, 07:47:33 AM


First I spark the discussion on Nueva Germania (which I'd edited out of my post after thinking it was too improbable)

I wouldn't discount this...it might be correct! Germany itself for a leg is bothering me :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on January 12, 2010, 08:08:54 AM
Oh dear, what have I done?

First I spark the discussion on Nueva Germania (which I'd edited out of my post after thinking it was too improbable) and then a discussion on the logistics of the TAR9 uberleg leads to at least one poster getting thoroughly confused.

In making this post, I have to add something to the TAR16 speculaiton, otherwise it would be essentially redundant.

If our Paraguay spoiler is correct (and if the flight schedules haven't changed in the past 2 months, there was a flight to Montevideo not long after the relevant Twitter posts were made), the racers would have probably been flying in from either Buenos Aires or Montevideo (or possibly Santa Cruz or Curitiba), but the date would have meant that they were already up to stage 5 or 6. Previously, there have never been more than 4 South American stages (3 if you leave out the Romber seasons) which would indicate that the spoiler was fake, but with no other firm spoilers between Bariloche and SE Asia (was there an airport sighting in Dubai?) and the fact that they didn't leave Asia until stage 7 in TAR15, maybe we can't completely discount the chance of production people actually being in the Asuncion airport.

Valor boreal,
Your assumption that there is a limit to the number of South American legs is open to question. The fact that there were 4 legs plus a 24 hour bus ride through Argentina in AR5 and 4 legs plus a series of plane flights from Ushuaia Argentina to Sao Paulo Brazil before crossing the Atlantic in AR11 does not mean that there will never be more than 4 South American legs in an Amazing Race.

If you had observed the commentary here on RFF in seasons 1 through 11 you would have assumed (incorrectly) that the Amazing Race finish would never be out of the lower 48 states. Finish Lines in Alaska for AR12 and Hawaii for AR14 proved those limits illusory. The same is more likely than not for the maximum number of South American legs some time in the history of the Amazing Race. Is AR14 going to be the time that breaks precedent? It certainly looks like it to me.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: walkingpneumonia on January 12, 2010, 08:47:58 AM
Oh dear, what have I done?

First I spark the discussion on Nueva Germania (which I'd edited out of my post after thinking it was too improbable) and then a discussion on the logistics of the TAR9 uberleg leads to at least one poster getting thoroughly confused.

In making this post, I have to add something to the TAR16 speculaiton, otherwise it would be essentially redundant.

If our Paraguay spoiler is correct (and if the flight schedules haven't changed in the past 2 months, there was a flight to Montevideo not long after the relevant Twitter posts were made), the racers would have probably been flying in from either Buenos Aires or Montevideo (or possibly Santa Cruz or Curitiba), but the date would have meant that they were already up to stage 5 or 6. Previously, there have never been more than 4 South American stages (3 if you leave out the Romber seasons) which would indicate that the spoiler was fake, but with no other firm spoilers between Bariloche and SE Asia (was there an airport sighting in Dubai?) and the fact that they didn't leave Asia until stage 7 in TAR15, maybe we can't completely discount the chance of production people actually being in the Asuncion airport.

The Nueva Germania thing sounded good to me too - leave no stone unturned!
This is complete speculation - but perhaps we had South America for 3 legs - an Antarctic leg or 2 and then back to South America - Paraguay for 1 more leg? Unfortunately, penguins don't use twitter so its hard to confirm anything.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 12, 2010, 09:21:46 AM
I had worked out all the logistics for Antarctica for AllStars, thinking surely they would hit there? Alas, not to be. And in actuality, the weather is very unpredictable...people often have to wait days for a break to get in...so with this season rushing to get home before Christmas, I doubt they would have tried. But I am SO ready if they did!! :yess:

Really, I think we have our SA documented legs and then off to Africa next (spec). We still need our cost cutting double leg around there too...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: valor boreal on January 12, 2010, 10:49:52 PM
This is complete speculation - but perhaps we had South America for 3 legs - an Antarctic leg or 2 and then back to South America - Paraguay for 1 more leg? Unfortunately, penguins don't use twitter so its hard to confirm anything.
I can't see Antarctica happening, but what about the Falkland Islands?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 13, 2010, 04:33:54 AM
This is looking like the route now, right? Correct me if there is anything wrong please.

Leg 1: USA - Chile
Leg 2: Chile
Leg 3: Chile - Argentina
Leg 4: Maybe Argentina #2
Leg 5: Argentina/Another Location - Paraguay
Leg 6: Paraguay - Unknown (I'm thinking a European city with a major airport, e.g. London, Paris or FRANKFURT!!! with connections to Djibouti, Djibouti. There has to be either a Europe or Oceania leg, so this could make sense)
Leg 7: Unknown - Djibouti
Leg 8: Djibouti - Malaysia
Leg 9: Malaysia
Leg 10: Malaysia - Singapore
Leg 11: Singapore - China
Leg 12: China - USA

Any suggestions/corrections? :duno:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redskevin88 on January 13, 2010, 06:18:23 AM
Leg 1: USA - Chile
Leg 2: Chile
Leg 3: Chile - Argentina
Leg 4: Argentina #2
Leg 5: Argentina - Paraguay
Leg 6: Paraguay - Germany
Leg 7: Germany- Djibouti
Leg 8: Djibouti - Malaysia
Leg 9: Malaysia
Leg 10: Malaysia - Singapore
Leg 11: Singapore - China
Leg 12: China - USA

Wiki says they when to Germany after S.America, we don't know if there are 12 legs, but this should be it.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on January 13, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
Leg 1: USA - Chile
Leg 2: Chile
Leg 3: Chile - Argentina
Leg 4: Argentina #2
Leg 5: Argentina - Paraguay
Leg 6: Paraguay - Germany
Leg 7: Germany- Djibouti
Leg 8: Djibouti - Malaysia
Leg 9: Malaysia
Leg 10: Malaysia - Singapore
Leg 11: Singapore - China
Leg 12: China - USA

Wiki says they when to Germany after S.America, we don't know if there are 12 legs, but this should be it.

Do you really believe that Wikipedia knows more than we do here?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 13, 2010, 10:56:41 AM
I think Germany is very much in question.

I would like to hope for a second African leg IF Dijinbouti turns out to be correct, but that is a hope not a spoiler, lol.

Quote
There has to be either a Europe or Oceania leg, so this could make sense
???  Not necesasarily.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on January 13, 2010, 01:48:50 PM

Quote
There has to be either a Europe or Oceania leg, so this could make sense
???  Not necesasarily.

Well, if there really ARE going to be 5 continents, then (barring the possibility of Antarctica) those are the only two continents Leg 6 could take place in.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on January 13, 2010, 03:37:26 PM
Quote
There has to be either a Europe or Oceania leg, so this could make sense
???  Not necesasarily.

I explained my reasons for this before. If they had a leg in Europe, you would have expected a spoiler by now, plus the flight via Dubai to Malaysia would make less sense unless they did Europe first then Africa. Also the amount of European legs in the last two seasons makes is less likely, but yes not impossible.

The route that has been spoilt so far doesn't really allow a leg in Oceania (which is not a continent btw). I know people in the US think Australia is some far off distance land, but we do have a lot of people and the technology to have spoiled this by now unless they went directly to the outback or hid in the bush the whole time! :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on January 13, 2010, 03:55:10 PM
Quote
There has to be either a Europe or Oceania leg, so this could make sense
???  Not necesasarily.

I explained my reasons for this before. If they had a leg in Europe, you would have expected a spoiler by now, plus the flight via Dubai to Malaysia would make less sense unless they did Europe first then Africa. Also the amount of European legs in the last two seasons makes is less likely, but yes not impossible.

The route that has been spoilt so far doesn't really allow a leg in Oceania (which is not a continent btw). I know people in the US think Australia is some far off distance land, but we do have a lot of people and the technology to have spoiled this by now unless they went directly to the outback or hid in the bush the whole time! :lol:

Are we no longer going on the assumption that there are five continents, then? ???
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on January 13, 2010, 03:59:11 PM
No one has ever thought that Australia was visited, seeing as a team was sighted on a flight from Dubai to Kuala Lumpur.
Right now, it appears as if Asuncion is likely true, which would give 5 legs in South America. We are also assuming that there was a leg in Kuala Lumpur. This leaves legs 6 and 7 unaccounted for.

Macaroons stated that there were 5 continents. Considering his track record, he may very well be correct.

All I know is that TAR 16 should have at least 2 new countries.

I HIGHLY suggest we take the Djibouti "sighting" with a grain of salt, though.

The location of the Elimination Station often hints at where teams could be eliminated.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 13, 2010, 05:36:04 PM
With no time for an Oceania visit and with the spoiler about 5 continents, that means Europe and Africa MUST have at least one leg each (unless Antarctica got a special visit, I'd like to hear what Caitlin thinks of that :lol3: )

Assuming that five continents is true, which I hope it is (after the last two seasons) that means that if Djibouti is correct, then I have either two possibilities:

OPTION #1: Five legs is South America, then one each in Africa and Europe, before the horde of Asian legs and the finale.

OPTION #2: Perhaps there was only four legs in South America (just random speculation :duno: ) and then we can have one in Europe and two in Africa (or vice versa) and then the rest in Asia.

I'd think that Option #1 would probably be more likely with current information, but I like the idea in Option #2.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: chill_sd on January 13, 2010, 05:59:03 PM
Let me get this in writing before anything gets written in stone.

We have two tenuous references, one to "Alemania" and one to Asuncion, Paraguay.

I, personally, put more faith in the Alemania reference, which came from a reporter writing about the Bariloche leg.

The Paraguay reference came from someone who saw camera/sound crews in an airport.  No teams were spotted.  Don't the camera and sound men follow the teams, rather than go ahead of them?  Something just doesn't add up.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redskevin88 on January 13, 2010, 07:59:38 PM
Leg 1: USA - Chile
Leg 2: Chile
Leg 3: Chile - Argentina
Leg 4: Argentina #2
Leg 5: Argentina - Paraguay
Leg 6: Paraguay - Germany
Leg 7: Germany- Djibouti
Leg 8: Djibouti - Malaysia
Leg 9: Malaysia
Leg 10: Malaysia - Singapore
Leg 11: Singapore - China
Leg 12: China - USA

Wiki says they when to Germany after S.America, we don't know if there are 12 legs, but this should be it.

Do you really believe that Wikipedia knows more than we do here?

http://www.anbariloche.com.ar/noticia.php?nota=11904

Assuming you can read Spanish... it says they when to Germany after finishing in Baroliche, Argentina.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on January 13, 2010, 11:56:34 PM
Leg 1: USA - Chile
Leg 2: Chile
Leg 3: Chile - Argentina
Leg 4: Argentina #2
Leg 5: Argentina - Paraguay
Leg 6: Paraguay - Germany
Leg 7: Germany- Djibouti
Leg 8: Djibouti - Malaysia
Leg 9: Malaysia
Leg 10: Malaysia - Singapore
Leg 11: Singapore - China
Leg 12: China - USA

Wiki says they when to Germany after S.America, we don't know if there are 12 legs, but this should be it.

Do you really believe that Wikipedia knows more than we do here?

http://www.anbariloche.com.ar/noticia.php?nota=11904

Assuming you can read Spanish... it says they when to Germany after finishing in Baroliche, Argentina.

I can read spanish and portuguese............but that doesnt answer my question you believing Wikipedia knws more than we do, does it now. That is all I was asking. Thanks
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Dånooky on January 13, 2010, 11:57:51 PM
The route that has been spoilt so far doesn't really allow a leg in Oceania (which is not a continent btw)

Under some models Oceania is considered a continent (in Spanish, in English it's "Australia"). It varies depending which one they teach in schools. Some models consider both North America & South America as the same continent. So the 5-continent supposition could be true depending on how you divide the continents.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on January 14, 2010, 12:59:49 AM
Leg 1: USA - Chile
Leg 2: Chile
Leg 3: Chile - Argentina
Leg 4: Argentina #2
Leg 5: Argentina - Paraguay
Leg 6: Paraguay - Germany
Leg 7: Germany- Djibouti
Leg 8: Djibouti - Malaysia
Leg 9: Malaysia
Leg 10: Malaysia - Singapore
Leg 11: Singapore - China
Leg 12: China - USA

Wiki says they when to Germany after S.America, we don't know if there are 12 legs, but this should be it.

Do you really believe that Wikipedia knows more than we do here?

http://www.anbariloche.com.ar/noticia.php?nota=11904

Assuming you can read Spanish... it says they when to Germany after finishing in Baroliche, Argentina.

I can read spanish and portuguese............but that doesnt answer my question you believing Wikipedia knws more than we do, does it now. That is all I was asking. Thanks

Where I come from, schools teach you to never trust Wikipedia. The sources at the bottom of the page, however... :umn:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: valor boreal on January 14, 2010, 06:27:21 AM
I'm hunting for inconsistencies here.

First: The last tweet in Asuncion was posted at 3:34am, which translates into 7.34am Paraguay time. (The timestamp's time zone was determined on the day of the postings, when it listed times as "X hours ago.") The arrival time in Montevideo is supposedly at 7.03am computer time, or 12.03pm Uruguay time. This fits well with PU 706, leaving Asuncion at 9.20am and scheduled to arrive at 12.05pm in Montevideo. However, the tweet "finally!!!! see you soon amigos uruguayos!!!!" was posted at 7.34am. What could the "finally" refer to, if the flight to Montevideo leaves two hours later?

Second: Amy posts that "my friend and i assumed the crew were expecting people from BA...that's where the ticket agent assumed i was going." The last flight to Buenos Aires left at 6.00am, and the next one isn't until 1.00pm. Is it normal for a ticket agent at the airport to assume someone was going to Buenos Aires if she arrives at 7am?

And just something I was wondering, why was Twitter on Mountain Time?
I had the last of the early tweets as being at 8:34am Paraguayan time (45 minutes before PU 706 was due to leave) and the first of the later tweets at 1:03pm Uruguayan time, which would have given her an hour after the flight landed (which still isn't much time at all, but if MVD is anything like ASU, it could be possible).



Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Neobie on January 14, 2010, 07:23:50 AM
I had the last of the early tweets as being at 8:34am Paraguayan time (45 minutes before PU 706 was due to leave) and the first of the later tweets at 1:03pm Uruguayan time, which would have given her an hour after the flight landed (which still isn't much time at all, but if MVD is anything like ASU, it could be possible).

Hmm, I think you're right. Shifting everything an hour back makes the timings possible. If this is a hoax it was definitely well planned around flight schedules. The Buenos Aires bit still sticks out as something strange though. Does the Twitter account displaying Pacific Time mean anything though - any Twitter experts here?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Chateau d If on January 14, 2010, 11:44:35 AM
I also like the reference to Hoopties (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hooptie).

I'm banking on this until we get something that says no.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on January 14, 2010, 12:47:16 PM
The route that has been spoilt so far doesn't really allow a leg in Oceania (which is not a continent btw)

Under some models Oceania is considered a continent (in Spanish, in English it's "Australia"). It varies depending which one they teach in schools. Some models consider both North America & South America as the same continent. So the 5-continent supposition could be true depending on how you divide the continents.

By now we know what criteria the producers use to decide whether a landmass is a continent or not. The model they are using is one where Australia and the islands of the Pacific are considered one continent, and North America/South America are considered two separate continents. This is proven by the number of continents they have stated that each season would visit, and is the usual interpretation taken in the U.S. So there shouldn't be a dispute over interpretation of continental boundaries IF the information came from someone from the United States.

For me personally, Australia and the islands of the Pacific can be collectively referred to as one continent - Oceania or Australia. Either name works.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on January 14, 2010, 03:50:08 PM
Hooky,
An excellent and lucid summary of the geography involved. Thanks.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: theschnauzers on January 14, 2010, 05:25:36 PM
One question about the time zones and those tweets. Is Daylight Savings Time in the Southern Hemisphere being taken into account? And as is the case between North America and Europe, the periods countries observe DST vary.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Neobie on January 14, 2010, 05:43:48 PM
One question about the time zones and those tweets. Is Daylight Savings Time in the Southern Hemisphere being taken into account? And as is the case between North America and Europe, the periods countries observe DST vary.

Let me work this one over again. Both Paraguay and Uruguay were on Daylight Savings Time in December, putting them at -3 and -2 GMT respectively. I noted that the Twitter postings were from "seven hours ago" as I posted at 1.33pm RFF time (EST or -5 GMT), meaning that the tweets came in at around 8.33am in Asuncion. The Twitter timestamps were five hours behind, putting it at -8 GMT, or PST.

As Valor Boreal notes, there is a gap between the Asuncion and Montevideo tweets at 8.34am and 1.03pm (both local time), corresponding to the flight scheduled from 9.20am to 12.05pm (both local time as well). Amy knows the flight schedules. If this is a hoax it's not going to be too easy to disprove...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 14, 2010, 09:55:52 PM
Okay, this is PURE spec.

But Macaroons does expect that this race should hit 5 continents.

So since Germany is the only clue we have for Europe...I started thinking about where they might go, and what they might do there? Given that the timing was pre-Christmas, I wonder if perhaps they could have gone to one of the many Christmas markets? These are all over, (Frankfurt has a very popular one (http://www.germany-christmas-market.org.uk/frankfurt_christmas_market.htm), only 15 minutes from the airport, and the dates fit), and crowded....so perhaps a few more travellers and even cameras could blend in? Which might explain our lack of sightings there (hide in plain sight :lol:)




More market info: http://www.germany-christmas-market.org.uk/

Just an idea. Still not entirely trusting the Germany spoiler, but this would be fun to see. And Oceania is difficult to fit into our schedule...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Zack. on January 14, 2010, 11:05:53 PM
Given TPTB's predisposition for nonstop flights recently (or else flights with simple connecting routes), I wonder if it would be possible to have a leg (or two) in Spain or Portugal. Most major cities in South America fly direct to Madrid and Lisbon, and while Asuncion doesn't, one can connect from Asunction to Santiago, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Rio, etc. for the transatlantic part.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on January 15, 2010, 12:08:38 AM
Would Slovenia be a viable option?

I mean anywhere in Europe is a definite possibility if it's only one leg, and you know how they love going to New Eastern European countries

and if it were in Northern Slovenia, Vienna (which has flights directly to Ethiopia) is just a short drive away, whether that's just a connection city or hosts an actual leg is up to time constraints.  Would we be able to fit 2 legs between Paraguay (around 7-8 of December) and Djibouti (possibly 11-12 of December)?

and since Slovenia is a new country, it may be a little harder to dig up spoilers from it, and Austria could also be a hit or miss type thing...

just throwing other possibilities out there...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: jerseydude on January 15, 2010, 01:00:15 AM
Well would it be resonable if they had 2 legs in Africa? They could have gone to Addis Ababa, Ethiopia first via Franfurt,Germany (maybe a couple of teams only have confirmed seats to Germany :duno:. There are some flights from Addis Ababa depending on the date and there also is a 24 hr train from Addis Ababa.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redskevin88 on January 15, 2010, 06:16:43 AM
Okay, this is PURE spec.

But Macaroons does expect that this race should hit 5 continents.

So since Germany is the only clue we have for Europe...I started thinking about where they might go, and what they might do there? Given that the timing was pre-Christmas, I wonder if perhaps they could have gone to one of the many Christmas markets? These are all over, (Frankfurt has a very popular one (http://www.germany-christmas-market.org.uk/frankfurt_christmas_market.htm), only 15 minutes from the airport, and the dates fit), and crowded....so perhaps a few more travellers and even cameras could blend in? Which might explain our lack of sightings there (hide in plain sight :lol:)


But they could not have placed detour/roadblock/pit stop all around one place...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 15, 2010, 11:18:38 AM
Frankfurt is a nice sized city...not saying that ALL the tasks would be in a market of course...anyway it is only spec.

WHat does seem likely is

1) 5 continents, so where is #5??
2) after reviewing woden's lovely Timeline>> it seems as though we can have EITHER Asuncion OR Germany, but perhaps not both (two different spoilers for the same timeframe?)  ???
3) I do like 2 legs in Africa, Ethiopia would make perfect sense, but having spent a fair bit of time in that area myself...a 24 hour train would be cruel!! :lol: and we don't have time in the schedule for that anyway, I don't think....

OTOH, it seems as though we may get some Dijibouti pics soon!! :yess: Always possible that could be a double leg as well until we hear otherwise.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Coutzy on January 15, 2010, 11:27:48 AM
Frankfurt is a nice sized city...not saying that ALL the tasks would be in a market of course...anyway it is only spec.

WHat does seem likely is

1) 5 continents, so where is #5??
2) after reviewing woden's lovely Timeline>> it seems as though we can have EITHER Asuncion OR Germany, but perhaps not both (two different spoilers for the same timeframe?)  ???
3) I do like 2 legs in Africa, Ethiopia would make perfect sense, but having spent a fair bit of time in that area myself...a 24 hour train would be cruel!! :lol: and we don't have time in the schedule for that anyway, I don't think....

OTOH, it seems as though we may get some Dijibouti pics soon!! :yess: Always possible that could be a double leg as well until we hear otherwise.


From what I've seen here, the 5 continents look like NA->SA->EUR->AFR->ASIA
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 15, 2010, 12:22:33 PM
IF we have Germany...if we have Asuncion, then we don't have Germany if I am looking at the Timeline infocorrectly...so where then?? :duno:

I need to go back to all the original posts and take another look at Germany though... or maybe WODEN can help us out here??
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: chill_sd on January 15, 2010, 02:50:20 PM
We don't have any sightings in Asuncion.  We're putting a lot of confidence in someone who claims to have seen support crews ahead of the racers.  (Aren't they usually with the racers?)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 15, 2010, 04:53:13 PM
Support crews alone won't have red/yellow flags, but the advance guard (who generally arrive in the leg location some days ahead of the racers) could be meeting the plane/racers...

I agree re the tweets, we have no proof, but darn it is a good story. :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on January 15, 2010, 10:49:14 PM
what if the paper was mistaken and Germany wasn't exactly right after Bariloche?

or, what if they were delibirately mislead to think Germany was the next spot to throw people off?

either could easily happen and could very much explain why we have both a Paraguay "sighting" and Germany "leads" at the same time
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 15, 2010, 11:59:17 PM
what if the paper was mistaken and Germany wasn't exactly right after Bariloche?

or, what if they were delibirately mislead to think Germany was the next spot to throw people off?

either could easily happen and could very much explain why we have both a Paraguay "sighting" and Germany "spoilers" at the same time
I think you're right! :yess:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 16, 2010, 06:22:24 AM
The Dijibouti source has added this:

Quote
Hussein Ali
Milton, Canada
  15 hrs ago
These pics are not allowing me to copy on to my email so ill go ahead and say what is on them. Teams (one all male team) running into the Stade du ville. 


I hope we DO get that photo to see...until then this remains "interesting" but still only one person saying he knows something, cannot be truly confirmed yet.

File photo of the Dijibouti Stadium:

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/africa/djibouti/djibouti_ville.shtml
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: mjriches2005 on January 16, 2010, 10:22:44 AM
what if the paper was mistaken and Germany wasn't exactly right after Bariloche?

or, what if they were delibirately mislead to think Germany was the next spot to throw people off?

either could easily happen and could very much explain why we have both a Paraguay "sighting" and Germany "leads" at the same time

This sounds very similar to Season12 when they said "2 new African countries"
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on January 16, 2010, 01:34:55 PM
This sounds very similar to Season 12 when they said "2 new African countries"

Well, that wasn't supposed to be misleading. It was just a good ol' Bert van Munster error. :lol3:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on January 16, 2010, 08:37:17 PM
This sounds very similar to Season 12 when they said "2 new African countries"

Well, that wasn't supposed to be misleading. It was just a good ol' Bert van Munster error. :lol3:


BVM knew they were going to Burkina and Faso that year.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Snooky on January 17, 2010, 03:30:19 PM
This sounds very similar to Season 12 when they said "2 new African countries"

Well, that wasn't supposed to be misleading. It was just a good ol' Bert van Munster error. :lol3:


BVM knew they were going to Burkina and Faso that year.
No, they only went to Burkina!
 :lol3:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 17, 2010, 05:34:19 PM
This sounds very similar to Season 12 when they said "2 new African countries"

Well, that wasn't supposed to be misleading. It was just a good ol' Bert van Munster error. :lol3:


BVM knew they were going to Burkina and Faso that year.
No, they only went to Burkina!
 :lol3:
And he thought Lithuania was Liberia :WTF, Croatia was Cote D'Ivoire :notme:, Netherlands was Nigeria :noway:, Taiwan was Tanzania :naughty: and the Republic of Ireland was the Republic of Congo :spell! All of a sudden, it's all Africa! (:;) :idgit
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: woden on January 17, 2010, 08:06:31 PM
IF we have Germany...if we have Asuncion, then we don't have Germany if I am looking at the Timeline infocorrectly...so where then?? :duno:

I need to go back to all the original posts and take another look at Germany though... or maybe WODEN can help us out here??

I don't have anything new to add, but I do think it's possible to have Paraguay and Germany. My theory (which is spec) is that the Argentina production staff could very well have been on the way to Germany (per the Argentine article) while the teams went on to Paraguay, where a different production staff was waiting. We know that staffs rotate throughout the season, so...  :duno:

If I were making a guess, I like the Paraguay story. But five SA legs, wow.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 17, 2010, 08:20:39 PM
Thanks woden!! :hearts: That does help!!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Chateau d If on January 18, 2010, 12:17:52 AM
IF we have Germany...if we have Asuncion, then we don't have Germany if I am looking at the Timeline infocorrectly...so where then?? :duno:

I need to go back to all the original posts and take another look at Germany though... or maybe WODEN can help us out here??

I don't have anything new to add, but I do think it's possible to have Paraguay and Germany. My theory (which is spec) is that the Argentina production staff could very well have been on the way to Germany (per the Argentine article) while the teams went on to Paraguay, where a different production staff was waiting. We know that staffs rotate throughout the season, so...  :duno:

If I were making a guess, I like the Paraguay story. But five SA legs, wow.

But what about the Hoopties?   :duno:  That means the racers went in-country.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on January 18, 2010, 06:49:48 AM


If I were making a guess, I like the Paraguay story. But five SA legs, wow.

But what about the Hoopties?   :duno:  That means the racers went in-country.

I just get a headache trying to decypher these events from the megar clues. I try to incorporate Neobie's ideas of trying to get Phil ahead to do his standups, the periodical long pit stops to give racers, crew and production time to rest up, and the flip flopping of the production teams.

If in fact the Paraquay tweet is true, then the use of jalopies, means they are heading out of town and into areas where they were probably not observed by people willing to post about it or people unable to post about it.

I have spent a lot of time the last 12 years in South America and have a lot of close friends here, where I live, from the Brasilian German community. I have shown them the reporter's story and all have said they are 99.9% sure it means Germany, not "new Germany" in Paraguay. So I am thinking like woden, probably the production crew that the reporter talked to was heading to Germany, with one already in some other place.

Tar14 did 7 legs in Asia and 3 in Europe, so seems like BVM is into spending a lot of time in one place these days, so 5 legs in SA wouldnt surprise me that much either. TAR15 was 6 in Asia, 5 in Europe and 1 in US. So for TAR16, 5 in SA, 1 in Europe, 1/2 in Djibouti,Africa and 3/4 in Aisa and finale back in US fits well for me for TAR16. Hard to tell, unless we get more data.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: woden on January 18, 2010, 08:46:42 AM
But what about the Hoopties?   :duno:  That means the racers went in-country.

Right. I'm saying there could be a Paraguay leg AND a Germany leg. They are not mutually exclusive.

The production team that worked the Argentina leg(s) would go ahead to Germany to set up there. This could be why someone in Bariloche caught wind of the race going there next.

However, since production teams rotate, there could have been staff waiting in Paraguay to film a leg there.

Something like this:

EP01: LA to Valpo, Chile (PRODUCTION TEAM A works leg)
EP02: Valpo, Chile to Puerto Varas, Chile (PRODUCTION TEAM A works leg)
EP03: Puerto Varas, Chile to Bariloche, Argentina (PRODUCTION TEAM B works leg, then flies to Germany to set up)
EP04: Bariloche, Argentina to UNKNOWN (PRODUCTION TEAM A works leg)
EP05: UNKNOWN to Asuncion, Paraguay (PRODUCTION TEAM A works leg)
EP06: Asuncion, Paraguay to Frankfurt, Germany (PRODUCTION TEAM B works leg)

See what I mean, Chateau?

BTW, the route above is still spec -- we don't have hard evidence for either Paraguay or Germany.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Chateau d If on January 18, 2010, 11:49:12 AM
That looks really good!  I think I misread your earlier post.  I was in a hurry!   :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: north09 on January 18, 2010, 01:46:40 PM
But what about the Hoopties?   :duno:  That means the racers went in-country.

Right. I'm saying there could be a Paraguay leg AND a Germany leg. They are not mutually exclusive.

The production team that worked the Argentina leg(s) would go ahead to Germany to set up there. This could be why someone in Bariloche caught wind of the race going there next.

However, since production teams rotate, there could have been staff waiting in Paraguay to film a leg there.

Something like this:

EP01: LA to Valpo, Chile (PRODUCTION TEAM A works leg)
EP02: Valpo, Chile to Puerto Montt, Chile (PRODUCTION TEAM A works leg)
EP03: Puerto Montt, Chile to Bariloche, Argentina (PRODUCTION TEAM B works leg, then flies to Germany to set up)
EP04: Bariloche, Argentina to UNKNOWN (PRODUCTION TEAM A works leg)
EP05: UNKNOWN to Asuncion, Paraguay (PRODUCTION TEAM A works leg)
EP06: Asuncion, Paraguay to Frankfurt, Germany (PRODUCTION TEAM B works leg)

See what I mean, Chateau?

BTW, the route above is still spec -- we don't have hard evidence for either Paraguay or Germany.

I was thinking our rour may look like this, with Germany comming a leg earlier if they do go there.

Leg 1: Los Angeles, California to Valparaiso, Chile
Leg 2: Valparaiso, Chile to Puerto Varas, Chile
Leg 3: Puerto Varas, Chile to Bariloche, Argentina
Leg 4: Bariloche, Argentina to Asuncion, Paraguay
Leg 5: Asuncion, Paraguay to Frankfurt, Germany
Leg 6: Frankfurt, Germany to Djibouti, Djibouti
Leg 7: Djibouti, Djibouti
Leg 8: Djibouti, Djibouti to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Leg 9: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia to Penang, Malaysia
Leg 10: Penang, Malaysia to Sentosa, Singapore
Leg 11: Sentosa, Singapore to Shanghai, China
Leg 12: Shanghai, China to San Francisco, California
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 18, 2010, 02:16:26 PM
I would love for Dijibouti to be a real location... and hope it is.

But unless and until we get pics or some specific info, I think it has to remain serious spec only. So far we still have no concrete proof...like Germany. :(


But we'll keep the hope alive!!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on January 18, 2010, 02:58:07 PM
I would love for Dijibouti to be a real location... and hope it is.

But unless and until we get pics or some specific info, I think it has to remain serious spec only. So far we still have no concrete proof...like Germany. :(


But we'll keep the hope alive!!


This just might be like TAR14 when they disappeared into Siberia. We may not really know where they went till BVM releases the route map. And my comments were spec only.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redskevin88 on January 18, 2010, 06:40:07 PM
What if the Germany and Africa legs were done late at night? Because of the Muslim hajj flights between Europe and Africa might have been affected, and they could have done the legs late at night, assuming no hours of operation. There would be less people around also. If i remember correctly, that was the reason why Joe and Bill and Eric and Danielle were so far behind in All-Stars.

For the Germany legs, maybe it was done midnight/early morning. But it doesn't explain why no hotel/airport sightings.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: theschnauzers on January 18, 2010, 08:37:36 PM
I just want to make one observation.  Ever since TAR 12, the structure of the route has changed in consistent ways from earlier seasons. We now have a pattern with 11-12 legs, rather than 12-13 (and I'm not counting the uberlegs as seprate legs in this comparison).
In the recent Races, there has been a consistent pattern of two or three cities where there are double legs. In the earlier seasons , two legs in a country didn't always mean two legs in the same city or metropolitan  area. And it appears the remaining legs are often a grouped together so that several proximate countries are plotted out in each continent/area the route goes through. I'm sure it may be stating the obvious, but my point is that there really is a change since Race 12 as compared to the Races prior to that one.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on January 18, 2010, 11:51:19 PM
I just want to make one observation.  Ever since TAR 12, the structure of the route has changed in consistent ways from earlier seasons. We now have a pattern with 11-12 legs, rather than 12-13 (and I'm not counting the uberlegs as seprate legs in this comparison).
In the recent Races, there has been a consistent pattern of two or three cities where there are double legs. In the earlier seasons , two legs in a country didn't always mean two legs in the same city or metropolitan  area. And it appears the remaining legs are often a grouped together so that several proximate countries are plotted out in each continent/area the route goes through. I'm sure it may be stating the obvious, but my point is that there really is a change since Race 12 as compared to the Races prior to that one.

Actually, TAR 12 did not stay in the same city for one leg (they went out to the country and back into the capital during the Burkino Faso legs). TAR 14 only stayed in Beijing due to the TBC. TAR 13 stayed in Delhi and Moscow, and TAR 15 stayed in Dubai and Prague for 2 legs each.

A far more visible trend that really started in TAR 13 is the fact that 3 countries host more than 1 leg:

TAR 13: Brazil, India, Russia.
TAR 14: Russia, Thailand, China.
TAR 15: Vietnam, Dubai, Czech Republic.

We know that Chile has 2 legs for TAR 16. That leaves 2 more unaccounted for.

Furthermore, the last city (Moscow, Beijing, Prague) has held 2 legs.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Cocoa on January 19, 2010, 06:13:49 AM

We know that Chile has 2 legs for TAR 16. That leaves 2 more unaccounted for.

Well Malaysia *could* be one too, one in KM and in Penang. (Blissful Spec)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on January 19, 2010, 01:10:15 PM
A far more visible trend that really started in TAR 13 is the fact that 3 countries host more than 1 leg:

TAR 13: Brazil, India, Russia.
TAR 14: Russia, Thailand, China.
TAR 15: Vietnam, Dubai, Czech Republic.

We know that Chile has 2 legs for TAR 16. That leaves 2 more unaccounted for.

The two legs in Djibouti and Malaysia speculated by north09 fit well with this trend. I think that route is a distinct possibility.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: woden on January 19, 2010, 02:05:48 PM
I just want to make one observation.  Ever since TAR 12, the structure of the route has changed in consistent ways from earlier seasons. We now have a pattern with 11-12 legs, rather than 12-13 (and I'm not counting the uberlegs as seprate legs in this comparison).
In the recent Races, there has been a consistent pattern of two or three cities where there are double legs. In the earlier seasons , two legs in a country didn't always mean two legs in the same city or metropolitan  area. And it appears the remaining legs are often a grouped together so that several proximate countries are plotted out in each continent/area the route goes through. I'm sure it may be stating the obvious, but my point is that there really is a change since Race 12 as compared to the Races prior to that one.

Actually, TAR 12 did not stay in the same city for one leg (they went out to the country and back into the capital during the Burkino Faso legs). TAR 14 only stayed in Beijing due to the TBC. TAR 13 stayed in Delhi and Moscow, and TAR 15 stayed in Dubai and Prague for 2 legs each.

A far more visible trend that really started in TAR 13 is the fact that 3 countries host more than 1 leg:

TAR 13: Brazil, India, Russia.
TAR 14: Russia, Thailand, China.
TAR 15: Vietnam, Dubai, Czech Republic.

We know that Chile has 2 legs for TAR 16. That leaves 2 more unaccounted for.

Argentina seems a distinct possibility for 2 legs as well.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on January 19, 2010, 03:29:40 PM
Argentina is more than a possibility. It is a high probability. To do 5 legs in South America, #3 will be in Bariloche and #4 could be anywhere but the most likely is in the Buenos Aires metro area.

I have speculated that there will be 2 legs in Penang to make an 11 leg race with known pit stops; it happens there is no Germany and no 2nd leg in Djibouti. I think the odds are slightly less than even that a 12th leg might be in either Germany or Djibouti 2.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on January 19, 2010, 05:33:54 PM
I'm still taking all spec between our confirmed legs in Bariloche and Penang with a grain of salt.
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if TAR decided to be cheap innovative and have five legs in SA, including 2 in Argentina.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on January 21, 2010, 12:06:34 PM
Time to revive the speculation thread. CBS' press release below reveals the following:

Teams' first destination lies in Chile where they will encounter one of the most daunting Roadblocks in the history of the series.  In their ongoing battle for the one million dollar prize, Teams will participate in a grueling World War I reenactment in France, retrace the early days of the iconic rock group, The Beatles, and come face-to-face with one of the world's most infamous villains.

http://www.cbspres***press.com/div.php/cbs_entertainment/release?id=23931

The early days of the Beatles would imply England, perhaps Liverpool (my original assumption) or Hamburg, Germany? The latter would be in line with the Bariloche article.
Also, the villain could easily be Darth Vader in SF.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: gingerman28 on January 21, 2010, 12:39:18 PM
Time to revive the speculation thread. CBS' press release below reveals the following:

Teams' first destination lies in Chile where they will encounter one of the most daunting Roadblocks in the history of the series.  In their ongoing battle for the one million dollar prize, Teams will participate in a grueling World War I reenactment in France, retrace the early days of the iconic rock group, The Beatles, and come face-to-face with one of the world's most infamous villains.

http://www.cbspres***press.com/div.php/cbs_entertainment/release?id=23931

The early days of the Beatles would imply England, perhaps Liverpool?

The better known battles and those with the highest number of casualities in France during WWI would include the battles of The Marne, Ypres, Somme and Verdun.

The early days of the Beatles might include Hamburg, Germany where they first obtained notice during their nightclub gigs there.

And I finally found time to read mosts of the recent posts on this and other threads and have I completely missed it, but no one, I mean no one has wished our dear, dear Puddin a Happy Birthday?  She turned (CENSORED) on January 19., (Puddin, my lips are sealed) :hearts:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on January 21, 2010, 01:29:27 PM
Time to revive the speculation thread. CBS' press release below reveals the following:

Teams' first destination lies in Chile where they will encounter one of the most daunting Roadblocks in the history of the series.  In their ongoing battle for the one million dollar prize, Teams will participate in a grueling World War I reenactment in France, retrace the early days of the iconic rock group, The Beatles, and come face-to-face with one of the world's most infamous villains.

http://www.cbspres***press.com/div.php/cbs_entertainment/release?id=23931

The early days of the Beatles would imply England, perhaps Liverpool?

The better known battles and those with the highest number of casualities in France during WWI would include the battles of The Marne, Ypres, Somme and Verdun.

The early days of the Beatles might include Hamburg, Germany where they first obtained notice during their nightclub gigs there.

And I finally found time to read mosts of the recent posts on this and other threads and have I completely missed it, but no one, I mean no one has wished our dear, dear Puddin a Happy Birthday?  She turned (CENSORED) on January 19., (Puddin, my lips are sealed) :hearts:

I think GMan is right on with this. Here is some info from the history of the Beatles:

Allan Williams arranged a resident band booking for them in Hamburg, Germany. Before the end of August 1960 they auditioned and hired drummer Pete Best and the five-piece band left for Hamburg four days later, contracted to fairground showman Bruno Koschmider for a 48-night residency.

I highly doubt that we are talking Liverpool even though that is more obvious.

There are a whole lot of World War I Battle sites in northern France and Belgium. They include the Somme, the Marne, Chateau-Thierry, Arras, Artois, Messines, Champagne, St. Mihiel, Amiens and Verdun in France and Mons, Ypres, Passchendaele, Flanders and Argonne in Belgium.

All these sites share one this in common - all are located north and east of Paris and south and west of Hamburg. I think it would be quite easy for teams to get by car to a WWI battlefield, do a task, and then go on to Hamburg. Will this be one leg or two from Charles to DeGaulle to Hamburg airport? I don't know as it could be either one.

To fly from Hamburg to Mahe is quite easy:

HAM to FRA - choice of LH013 1215 1330, LH017 1400 1515, or LH019 1540 1655  connecting to

FRA SEZ - DE5302 2020 0840+1

The only difficult concept in the logic chain for this is the distance from Paris to Hamburg, which is 465 miles. The battlefields are typically 100 to 150 miles from Paris. That leaves about 315 to 365 miles to traverse by car from the battlefields to Hamburg.

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: theschnauzers on January 21, 2010, 01:52:01 PM
Didn't we have the Spanish-language newspaper article that mentioned Germany?

I think the Beatles reference in the CBS materials points to Hamburg; and that the teams flew to Germany before France.

And IIRC, the Seychelles were a French colony before it became independent, which I think would point to a Argentina-Germany-France-Seychelles leg order and possibly no Paraguay.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on January 21, 2010, 02:16:53 PM
Didn't we have the Spanish-language newspaper article that mentioned Germany?

I think the Beatles reference in the CBS materials points to Hamburg; and that the teams flew to Germany before France.

And IIRC, the Seychelles were a French colony before it became independent, which I think would point to a Argentina-Germany-Fance-Seychelles leg order and possibly no Paraguay.

I now also agree with Hamburg, as it corroborates the Bariloche article.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 21, 2010, 02:41:19 PM


 have I completely missed it, but no one, I mean no one has wished our dear, dear Puddin a Happy Birthday?  She turned (CENSORED) on January 19., (Puddin, my lips are sealed) :hearts:

Here you go G-Man, BD wishes are here!

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21608.msg507713/boardseen.html#new

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on January 21, 2010, 02:43:02 PM
I do not know where the big jump across "The Puddle" (the Atlantic Ocean). One line of thinking says that it was from Buenos Aires (which may or may not imply skipping Paraguay). Here is the one basic flight combination from there:

LH511 EZE FRA 2150 1500+1
LH020 FRA HAM 1655+1 1755+1

If the transatlantic crossing originated from Sao Paulo, then there are several options based on different connecting cities:

LH505 GRU MUC 1440 0520+1
AB6296 MUC HAM 0615+1 0735+1

AZ677 GRU MXP 1800 0800+1
LH3919 MXP HAM 0920+1 1100+1

LH507 GRU FRA 2005 1035+1
LH012 FRA HAM 1220+1 1320+1

KL792 GRU AMS 2105 1140+1
KL1781 AMS HAM 1310+1 1415+1

A flight from EZE to HAM could have gone through GRU if the departure from EZE was before 1520.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on January 21, 2010, 03:28:38 PM
Grueling Roadblock. Does it involve meat, anybody? :lol3: :yess:

EDIT: But wait! It's supposedly in Chile, not Argentina. Any famous Chile Roadblocks?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: caper on January 21, 2010, 03:38:39 PM
http://webs.wichita.edu/mschneegurt/hamburg/hamburg.html

I am thinking Hamburg as well - The Beatles in their early days would travel via ferry from england to Hamburg to play gigs (from 1959 to 1962)  The above is a great link which lists locations


 :wohoo:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Zack. on January 21, 2010, 03:41:49 PM
Grueling Roadblock. Does it involve meat, anybody? :lol3: :yess:

EDIT: But wait! It's supposedly in Chile, not Argentina. Any famous Chile Roadblocks?

The only RBs in Chile were the boardroom puzzle and the fish transporting, both in AS. I don't think either is grueling (or infamous enough to be a switchback), but I wouldn't mind the fish to return given our cast  :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on January 21, 2010, 03:43:09 PM
Grueling Roadblock. Does it involve meat, anybody? :lol3: :yess:

EDIT: But wait! It's supposedly in Chile, not Argentina. Any famous Chile Roadblocks?

The only RBs in Chile were the boardroom puzzle and the fish transporting, both in AS. I don't think either is grueling (or infamous enough to be a switchback), but I wouldn't mind the fish to return given our cast  :lol:

Do you guys think Chile being the Switchback is a press mistake and it's really Argentina, or will they be doing the same RB in a different location? ???
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redwings8831 on January 21, 2010, 03:46:50 PM
Grueling Roadblock. Does it involve meat, anybody? :lol3: :yess:

EDIT: But wait! It's supposedly in Chile, not Argentina. Any famous Chile Roadblocks?

The only RBs in Chile were the boardroom puzzle and the fish transporting, both in AS. I don't think either is grueling (or infamous enough to be a switchback), but I wouldn't mind the fish to return given our cast  :lol:

Do you guys think Chile being the Switchback is a press mistake and it's really Argentina, or will they be doing the same RB in a different location? ???

From what I read, I doubt its a Switchback. It just seems like the one they'll have to complete will be one of the most daunting ever.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 21, 2010, 03:47:13 PM
The way I read it, that press release says NOTHING about a switchback. It just says they encounter a daunting RB...nothing in that sentence that says AGAIN.

:duno:

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on January 21, 2010, 03:58:18 PM
The way I read it, that press release says NOTHING about a switchback. It just says they encounter a daunting RB...nothing in that sentence that says AGAIN.

:duno:

Well, I was assuming it is the Switchback because it says "one of the most grueling Roadblocks in race history." Or do they mean future history?

It's similar to the way they revealed the Switchback for last season: "...the race revisits one of the most memorable Roadblocks in Amazing Race history."
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on January 21, 2010, 04:36:02 PM
Hamburg to Paris looks great for a self driving leg. Fly from Argentina to Hamburg area for tasks and pitstop.......then drive to the WWI battlefields for tasks and pitstop.......then drive to Paris and fly to Seychelles.

Also if only two legs in Europe, that would be the 4th/5th eliminations and easy to fly the two European eliminatins to Mexico for Elimination Station. If there are 3 European legs, then the 6th eliminated team goes around the world as decoys and, to me, seems to go against the saving money theme of latest races. Just spec.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: River on January 21, 2010, 04:40:09 PM
Hamburg to Paris looks great for a self driving leg. Fly from Argentina to Hamburg area for tasks and pitstop.......then drive to the WWI battlefields for tasks and pitstop.......then drive to Paris and fly to Seychelles.

Also if only two legs in Europe, that would be the 4th/5th eliminations and easy to fly the two European eliminatins to Mexico for Elimination Station. If there are 3 European legs, then the 6th eliminated team goes around the world as decoys and, to me, seems to go against the saving money theme of latest races. Just spec.
I don't think TAR will have big self-driving anymore.
If I am correct, Hamburg is 463 miles from Paris...
 :(
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 21, 2010, 04:43:59 PM
5 hours is nothing in Europe, they drive FAST. :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on January 21, 2010, 05:22:38 PM
5 hours is nothing in Europe, they drive FAST. :lol:

Has anybody considered the possibility of a second leg in Germany? From Frankfort, they could easily swing into France.
Otherwise, TAR's going to take the plane.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: theschnauzers on January 21, 2010, 05:51:20 PM
They have fast trains in Europe for a reason; thry're faster for those short distances.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on January 21, 2010, 06:02:07 PM
They have fast trains in Europe for a reason; thry're faster for those short distances.

Hamburg to Paris isn't a one-seat ride, though. There's going to be transfers.
Of course, an intermediate leg would fix this. Furthermore, I don't even think the France leg is in Paris, more along a major city in the eastern countryside.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: ZBC Company on January 21, 2010, 06:32:37 PM
puclic tranport the amazing race as budget cut back nother thought they will do that i came with for season 3 of my show thank season 16 it thay why team spot in train statoin
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RichInSydney on January 21, 2010, 06:57:17 PM
The Beatlemania museum opened its doors in Hamburg in May 2009.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 21, 2010, 07:29:21 PM
ooh great find Rich!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on January 21, 2010, 07:40:40 PM
Seems they always self drive in Germany.....

Two battles not mentioned so far......Belleau Wood and Chateau-Theirry. Both of these are only about 40-50 miles from Paris on the highway to Metz......this would give it a decidedly American slant though.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on January 21, 2010, 09:16:09 PM
Grueling Roadblock. Does it involve meat, anybody? :lol3: :yess:

EDIT: But wait! It's supposedly in Chile, not Argentina. Any famous Chile Roadblocks?

The only RBs in Chile were the boardroom puzzle and the fish transporting, both in AS. I don't think either is grueling (or infamous enough to be a switchback), but I wouldn't mind the fish to return given our cast  :lol:
My speculation is that teams never get south of Puerto Varas. They need to be about 30 miles south of it to reach Metri for the fish tanks.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: topaz on January 22, 2010, 01:29:20 PM
According to wikipedia, they'd visited 9 countries, 5 continents and 40,000 miles for TAR 16.  I do believe these are the countries that will visit it:

South American side:
1. Chile
2. Argentina

Europe side:
3. France
4. Belgium - (if Paraguay does or doesn't include?)
5. Germany - (if Paraguay does or doesn't include?)

African side:
6. Seychelles

Asian side:
7. Malaysia
8. Singapore
9. China
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Paron on January 22, 2010, 02:11:00 PM
Sucks has Joe & Heidi down as the first boot, followed by Jody & Shannon, Dana & Adrian, Monique & Shawne, and ending with Jordan & Jeff.  At least in terms of the sequester eliminations.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 22, 2010, 02:13:16 PM
According to wikipedia, they'd visited 9 countries, 5 continents and 40,000 miles for TAR 16.  I do believe these are the countries that will visit it:

South American side:
1. Chile
2. Argentina

Europe side:
3. France
4. Belgium - (if Paraguay does or doesn't include?)
5. Germany - (if Paraguay does or doesn't include?)

African side:
6. Seychelles

Asian side:
7. Malaysia
8. Singapore
9. China

Topaz, we keep suggesting that you not quote wiki here, as ANYONE can edit it and it is often filled with misinformation during the pre-airing phase.

So in this case, we know that there are only 8 countries from the press release info. So we can't have 3 European countries.

Contestants will travel nearly 40,000 miles across five continents and eight countriesEleven Teams start off by navigating through the congested streets of Los Angeles and, for the first time ever, must rely solely on public transportation to make their way to LAX.  The Teams' first destination lies in Chile where they will encounter one of the most daunting Roadblocks in the history of the series.  In their ongoing battle for the one million dollar prize, Teams will participate in a grueling World War I reenactment in France, retrace the early days of the iconic rock group, The Beatles, and come face-to-face with one of the world's most infamous villains.

If you had read the rest of this thread, you would have seen that we believe Germany (Hamburg in particular) may cover the Beatles reference nicely. So Paraguay is out, and that means no room for Belgium -- again.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on January 22, 2010, 02:23:17 PM
According to wikipedia, they'd visited 9 countries, 5 continents and 40,000 miles for TAR 16.  I do believe these are the countries that will visit it:

South American side:
1. Chile
2. Argentina

Europe side:
3. France
4. Belgium - (if Paraguay does or doesn't include?)
5. Germany - (if Paraguay does or doesn't include?)

African side:
6. Seychelles

Asian side:
7. Malaysia
8. Singapore
9. China

Topaz, we keep suggesting that you not quote wiki here, as ANYONE can edit it and it is often filled with misinformation during the pre-airing phase.

So in this case, we know that there are only 8 countries from the press release info. So we can't have 3 European countries.

Contestants will travel nearly 40,000 miles across five continents and eight countries.  Eleven Teams start off by navigating through the congested streets of Los Angeles and, for the first time ever, must rely solely on public transportation to make their way to LAX.  The Teams' first destination lies in Chile where they will encounter one of the most daunting Roadblocks in the history of the series.  In their ongoing battle for the one million dollar prize, Teams will participate in a grueling World War I reenactment in France, retrace the early days of the iconic rock group, The Beatles, and come face-to-face with one of the world's most infamous villains.

If you had read the rest of this thread, you would have seen that we believe Germany (Hamburg in particular) may cover the Beatles reference nicely. So Paraguay is out, and that means no room for Belgium -- again.

It says nine countries because it includes the USA. No Belgium. It was listed as eight on the wiki before (since they just copy whatever is in the press releases), but I had to change it to nine to include the USA like the previous seasons did. For some reason, press releases are no longer interested in counting the USA as a country. :duno:

Yes, the USA and North America still count in the country and continent count (or at least, they should).
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 22, 2010, 02:36:18 PM
Sucks has Joe & Heidi down as the first boot, followed by Jody & Shannon, Dana & Adrian, Monique & Shawne, and ending with Jordan & Jeff.  At least in terms of the sequester eliminations.

Paron, Sucks unfortunately does no active spoiling on their own any longer. You are quoting someone who takes ALL of his info from here and doesn't always get it right.

That info is based on our info, but our info is NOT giving a boot order. While we do have the bottom five down, we aren't giving any kind of a boot order yet except for what is in the first post of the TIMELINE thread:

TEAM SPOILER SUMMARY
Probable Bottom 5
Jodi & Shannon (Possibly eliminated in Puerto Varas (Leg 2))
Jeff & Jordan (Photographed with Elimination Station teams; among first 5-6 teams eliminated)  
Adrian & Dana (Photographed with Elimination Station teams; among first 5-6 teams eliminated)
Monique & Shawne (Photographed with Elimination Station teams; among first 5-6 teams eliminated)
Joseph & Heidi (Photographed with Elimination Station teams; among first 5-6 teams eliminated)

With the evidence of:

Safe From Elimination at End of Episode:
Jeff & Jordan?: Possibly spotted 11/30 in Chile wearing red
Grandmother & Granddaughter: Photographed at Puerto Varas pit stop (Leg 2)
Dan & Jordan: Spotted en route to Penang, Malaysia
Steve & Allie: Spotted in Penang, possibly spotted in Singapore
Mike & Louie: Spotted in Singapore
Carol & Brandy: Spotted in Singapore
Brent & Caitlin: Possibly spotted 11/30 at Turbus terminal in Santiago, possibly spotted on Puerto Varas leg (Leg 2), possibly spotted in Singapore/San Francisco
Jet & Cord: Possibly spotted in San Francisco

Which leaves:

Possibly Eliminated:
Adrian & Dana?
Monique & Shawne?
Joseph & Heidi?

So yes, Joe and Heidi could be the first out. But there is not enough evidence to say so, unless Claude found a new spoiler somewhere. ???
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 22, 2010, 02:42:20 PM


It says nine countries because it includes the USA. No Belgium. It was listed as eight on the wiki before (since they just copy whatever is in the press releases), but I had to change it to nine to include the USA like the previous seasons did. For some reason, press releases are no longer interested in counting the USA as a country. :duno:

Yes, the USA and North America still count in the country and continent count (or at least, they should).

Okay Hooky, that makes better sense. Thanks. I guess maybe the press releases don't count the US in because WRP/CBS/BVM don't include it in their counts. Maybe wiki could read eight NON-US countries?? :duno:

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Paron on January 22, 2010, 07:06:14 PM
Peach, thank you.  I mostly brought that here to get it confirmed or denied.

Similarly, someone else on Sucks said it'd most likely get confirmed or denied here.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 22, 2010, 07:17:37 PM
Peach, thank you.  I mostly brought that here to get it confirmed or denied.

Similarly, someone else on Sucks said it'd most likely get confirmed or denied here.

Well, just ask one of us next time?? :lol3:

Or keep an eye on the first post of the Timeline thread, woden is doing an incredible job on that. And puddin is updating the first post of the spoiler thread with a summary as well, so that's another great source of info!! :tup:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redskevin88 on January 22, 2010, 07:25:11 PM
Let me put my two cents worth... I noticed something

Alcatraz is near San Francisco, could there be a finale task there? Also Al Capone was imprisoned there. It's quite remote from what I here, so not much spoilers, maybe. Al Capone is villainous...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 22, 2010, 07:40:32 PM
Noticed what??  ???

Alcatraz is swarming with tourists every single day all day, almost impossible to close because of the scheduled tours. And not remote at all, it is right in the bay, every ferry runs right by it.

And plus, thanks to all the tweets, we pretty much have SF covered.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Sailing on January 22, 2010, 08:02:24 PM
Let me put my two cents worth... I noticed something

Alcatraz is near San Francisco, could there be a finale task there? Also Al Capone was imprisoned there. It's quite remote from what I here, so not much spoilers, maybe. Al Capone is villainous...


The only way to get to Alcatraz is by boat or flying in right? Someone would have spotted them.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: River on January 22, 2010, 08:05:15 PM
Let me put my two cents worth... I noticed something

Alcatraz is near San Francisco, could there be a finale task there? Also Al Capone was imprisoned there. It's quite remote from what I here, so not much spoilers, maybe. Al Capone is villainous...


The only way to get to Alcatraz is by boat or flying in right? Someone would have spotted them.
I think Alcatraz is out. Much to popular for them to go to!
 :lol3:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on January 22, 2010, 09:23:06 PM
Let me put my two cents worth... I noticed something

Alcatraz is near San Francisco, could there be a finale task there? Also Al Capone was imprisoned there. It's quite remote from what I here, so not much spoilers, maybe. Al Capone is villainous...


The only way to get to Alcatraz is by boat or flying in right? Someone would have spotted them.

"The only way to get to or from Alcatraz Island is by ferry boat from Fisherman’s Wharf. That is, unless you consider yourself to be a very good open water swimmer."

Now, if you examine a map of Alcatraz Island you can see 2 places (Parade Ground and and the boat dock) where someone might put a small helicopter down. I do not believe that anyone is allowed to do that.

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Sailing on January 22, 2010, 09:46:04 PM
Let me put my two cents worth... I noticed something

Alcatraz is near San Francisco, could there be a finale task there? Also Al Capone was imprisoned there. It's quite remote from what I here, so not much spoilers, maybe. Al Capone is villainous...


The only way to get to Alcatraz is by boat or flying in right? Someone would have spotted them.

"The only way to get to or from Alcatraz Island is by ferry boat from Fisherman’s Wharf. That is, unless you consider yourself to be a very good open water swimmer."

Now, if you examine a map of Alcatraz Island you can see 2 places (Parade Ground and and the boat dock) where someone might put a small helicopter down. I do not believe that anyone is allowed to do that.



I thought there was a movie shot there. Maybe they filmed the helicopter landing some where else? I do not think the teams went there BTW.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on January 23, 2010, 12:08:36 AM
Alcatraz should definitely be out

it's one of the biggest tourist attractions in San Francisco.

believe me, if they went there, we would've heard it by now, just by the amount of people that go everyday

and if it was closed down, it'd probably be all over local news (which it wasn't).  on top of that, closing Alcatraz even for a little while would cost a ton of $$$, solely becuase the tour companies would be losing a ton of $$$ in that time.  and with the budgeting trend as of late....

now, angel island could be slightly more likely...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on January 23, 2010, 12:09:34 AM


It says nine countries because it includes the USA. No Belgium. It was listed as eight on the wiki before (since they just copy whatever is in the press releases), but I had to change it to nine to include the USA like the previous seasons did. For some reason, press releases are no longer interested in counting the USA as a country. :duno:

Yes, the USA and North America still count in the country and continent count (or at least, they should).

Okay Hooky, that makes better sense. Thanks. I guess maybe the press releases don't count the US in because WRP/CBS/BVM don't include it in their counts. Maybe wiki could read eight NON-US countries?? :duno:



Well, both the wiki and press releases used to count it (possibly even as late as last season), but for some reason they are being different this time. North America and the US have been counted in the continent and country counts of every past season except for this one.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Sailing on January 23, 2010, 01:08:20 AM
Is there anyway they could have gone to England instead of Germany? I came across this article when I was searching google and found this. It could be a typo  :duno: :

Jeff and Jordan, who met on “Big Brother 11″ (she won) and are described as “newly dating,” are one of the 11 teams announced for the 16th edition of “The Amazing Race,” which debuts at 7 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 14, on CBS. (Happy Valentine’s Day to us!)

Jeff Schroeder, 31, is a salesman from Norridge, Ill. Jordan Lloyd, 22, is a receptionist from Charlotte, N.C. Few thought the relationship would survive outside the “Big Brother” house; now the question is whether it will survive a race around the world, including a first stop in Chile and later challenges including the reenactment of a World War I battle in France and a Beatles-centric puzzle in Liverpool, England.

Also on the race is Caitlin Upton, the former Miss Teen South Carolina who became the butt of a thousand jokes after badly botching an answer about geography. Upton, 20, a model, is teamed with her boyfriend, Brent Horne, as “dating models.”
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Post by: Hooky on January 23, 2010, 01:17:31 AM
Is there anyway they could have gone to England instead of Germany? I came across this article when I was searching google and found this. It could be a typo  :duno: :

Jeff and Jordan, who met on “Big Brother 11″ (she won) and are described as “newly dating,” are one of the 11 teams announced for the 16th edition of “The Amazing Race,” which debuts at 7 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 14, on CBS. (Happy Valentine’s Day to us!)

Jeff Schroeder, 31, is a salesman from Norridge, Ill. Jordan Lloyd, 22, is a receptionist from Charlotte, N.C. Few thought the relationship would survive outside the “Big Brother” house; now the question is whether it will survive a race around the world, including a first stop in Chile and later challenges including the reenactment of a World War I battle in France and a Beatles-centric puzzle in Liverpool, England.

Also on the race is Caitlin Upton, the former Miss Teen South Carolina who became the butt of a thousand jokes after badly botching an answer about geography. Upton, 20, a model, is teamed with her boyfriend, Brent Horne, as “dating models.”

That sounds like a very likely possibility! Can you give a link?
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Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2010, 01:58:29 AM
Thanks Sailing!

I believe this came from Gail Pennington's article:

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/tube-talk/tv-news/2010/01/amazing-race-returns-feb-14-here-are-the-teams/

She is a well respected writer on TV and my guess is that she had a different press release. I would think that we need to take this at face value right now, although I am following this up....

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Post by: Sailing on January 23, 2010, 02:11:32 AM
Thanks Sailing!

I believe this came from Gail Pennington's article:

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/tube-talk/tv-news/2010/01/amazing-race-returns-feb-14-here-are-the-teams/

She is a well respected writer on TV and my guess is that she had a different press release. I would think that we need to take this at face value right now, although I am following this up....




 :yess: I was just about to post that link. Thank you for doing it. I hope this leads to something......
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Post by: Caelestor on January 23, 2010, 12:40:59 PM
A Liverpool leg could also imply a London leg.
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Post by: 2old4tech on January 23, 2010, 12:59:44 PM
Maybe this helps:  (not the dates, just the location)

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Date: Saturday 17th October 2009
Fort Seclin

Great War Event at Fort Seclin nr Lille France. 17 & 18/10/09

copied from here http://www.thegreatwarsociety.com/ (http://www.thegreatwarsociety.com/)

Info on Fort Seclin
http://www.cheminsdememoire.gouv.fr/page/affichelieu.php?idLieu=1163&idLang=en (http://www.cheminsdememoire.gouv.fr/page/affichelieu.php?idLieu=1163&idLang=en)

This needs a lot more "TAR Detecting", but I'm not very good at it (see screen name  :lol:)
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Post by: 2old4tech on January 23, 2010, 01:10:41 PM
^^They do a WW1 re-enactment there every year.  Probably still set up when the Race comes through.

(http://alternika.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/imgp4891.jpg?w=300&h=225)
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Post by: apskip on January 23, 2010, 01:15:59 PM
Maybe this helps:  (not the dates, just the location)

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Date: Saturday 17th October 2009
Fort Seclin

Great War Event at Fort Seclin nr Lille France. 17 & 18/10/09

copied from here http://www.thegreatwarsociety.com/ (http://www.thegreatwarsociety.com/)

Info on Fort Seclin
http://www.cheminsdememoire.gouv.fr/page/affichelieu.php?idLieu=1163&idLang=en (http://www.cheminsdememoire.gouv.fr/page/affichelieu.php?idLieu=1163&idLang=en)

This needs a lot more "TAR Detecting", but I'm not very good at it (see screen name  :lol:)


2old4tech,
Good job of spotting that. There a significant number of WW! societies in the U.S. and in England, but few in France. The list event you mention above was followed by Training weekend at the Black Country Museum in Dudley, West Midlands. 16/1/10 & 17/1/10, which of course is about 5 weeks too late to do any good for AR16 and of course not in France. To be useful, the event must be between about Dec. 5 and Dec. 10.  I do not agree that the reenactment staging materials at Fort Seclin is likely to have been left in place for 7 weeks, but I hop you are right. I have been looking for events since the news about a WW1 French battlefield arrived and I have yet to come up with one. It was one of the worst winters on record in northwestern France.
 
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Post by: 2old4tech on January 23, 2010, 01:44:00 PM
Some Fort Seclin re-enactment video:


Lots of possible tasks.
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Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 23, 2010, 05:09:58 PM
This reenactment is reminding me of the Family Edition Leg #2! :snicker:
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Post by: DrRox on January 23, 2010, 05:50:48 PM
The problem with battlefield re-enactments is that they all seem to take place about the same time of year as the orginal battle. There were very few winter offensives in WWI. In the early December time frame, I only found two battles.

One The Battle of Givenchy (http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/givenchy.htm) is in the Pas-de-Calis region, not far from the Chunnel entrance on the French Side.

The other The Battle of Champagne (http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/champagne1.htm) is east of Paris, near Reims.

These were major engagements. This certainly doesn't mean some local area cannot celebrate some minor battle or skirmish that took place in their town. The comment about the difficult re-enactment just might be a reference to the worst winter in Europe referenced by Apskip, and not to the actual difficulty of the re-enactment


With more information appearing that seems to point to Liverpool/England for the Beatle spoiler, I think it is possible that BVM used the EuroStar/Chunnel to hype the show/do something new and get teams from England to the re-enactment to Paris for departure to Seychelles.
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Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2010, 06:12:33 PM
Some Fort Seclin re-enactment video:


Lots of possible tasks.

I love this video!! But my mind immediately went to Dan marching. :lol3:
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Post by: Caelestor on January 23, 2010, 06:15:09 PM
The problem with battlefield re-enactments is that they all seem to take place about the same time of year as the orginal battle. There were very few winter offensives in WWI. In the early December time frame, I only found two battles.

One The Battle of Givenchy (http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/givenchy.htm) is in the Pas-de-Calis region, not far from the Chunnel entrance on the French Side.

The other The Battle of Champagne (http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/champagne1.htm) is east of Paris, near Reims.

These were major engagements. This certainly doesn't mean some local area cannot celebrate some minor battle or skirmish that took place in their town. The comment about the difficult re-enactment just might be a reference to the worst winter in Europe referenced by Apskip, and not to the actual difficulty of the re-enactment


With more information appearing that seems to point to Liverpool for the Beatle spoiler, I think it is possible that BVM used the EuroStar/Chunnel to hype the show/do something new and get teams from England to the re-enactment to Paris for departure to Seychelles.

It's effective money saving: buses in South America for 2 legs and trains in Europe for two legs. It's also much better than bunching on airlines for short-haul flights. Finally, it recalls TAR 3.
Didn't somebody say it's not cheap to go to the Seychelles?

Dandrew were amusing, made the Moscow legs unique in ways I never imagined.
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Post by: apskip on January 23, 2010, 08:20:05 PM
2old4tech,

When I saw the video, I have a new appreciation for the probability of Fort de Seclin being the right place. It could well be that place, as few places in France are a permanent and living museum. I think here are some great ideas for tasks:

1. Dressing up as soldiers and marching (playing the British, French or German soldiers does not look difficult and I think the probability of another Andrew/Dan marching trials/tribulations is low)
2. Find an object in that museum (I am recalling Amazing Race Asia 3 - the Miniatures Museum in Taipei)
3. Dig trenches

I am honoring your find with a map of the south side of the greater Lille area(see lowest pane) showing Seclin about 10 miles south of the center of Lille, just west of Route National E17/A1. Look to the left of the circled H. That is maybe a 20 minute drive from the train station to Seclin. With left-hand drive like in the U.S. and signage that is eminently readable there is no reason why AR16 teams could not go to self-drive vehicles which they then take on to Charles de Gaulle airport.

Map of Area near Seclin France in bottom pane (http://www.cybevasion.fr/hotels/france/hotel_campanile-lille-sud_seclin_18152.html)

I would also like to furnish directions from Seclin to CDG airport, which is 16 miles northeast of the center of Paris. It is quite simple:

1. Get on the A1 toll road south to Paris for approximately 175 km. Take the exit 6-Roissy-en-France.
2. Do a zig-zag left/right/left/left/right/right/left/right for the next 8 km.

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Post by: georgiapeach on January 23, 2010, 08:35:47 PM
That would also work well with the Eurostar from UK to Lille... very little driving needed.

 :yess:

here is an example of possible trains on an arbitrary day...
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Post by: DrRox on January 24, 2010, 04:41:13 AM
Fort de Seclin looks like the perfect TAR location. A great location for a detour and pit stop. According to their webite, they are closed for winter a few day after the re-enactments commemorating the end of WWI in Nov. They cater and have dining facilities, meeting rooms for teams to sleep in and easy for site security. They already have their own re-enactment actors on staff. A perfect TAR place. If they didn't use it, they sure should have!

Fort de Seclin (http://www.fortseclin.com/en/index.php)

As Apskip mentioned, it is very easy to drive from the fort to CDG for flights to the Seychelles. It is also very easy to take the TGV to CDG as well from Lille or Lens. There is a TGV stop right under the terminal at CDG. Fort de Seclin is about 10 minute taxi ride to the Lille airport too.
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Post by: Benedicto on January 24, 2010, 07:19:03 AM
For Mahe, I think there would be some tea-related tasks.  :hearts:  :jumpy:  :wohoo:
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Post by: ZBC Company on January 24, 2010, 04:35:54 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Indra-Club-Hamburg.png
can this be on of loctoin thif is frist place perform in hamburger germany
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Post by: Sailing on January 24, 2010, 04:43:30 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Indra-Club-Hamburg.png
can this be on of loctoin thif is frist place perform in hamburger germany


I think they are going to Liverpool, England. The World War I battle reenactment is in France. Do they even visit Germany this season?
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Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 24, 2010, 05:04:01 PM
For Mahe, I think there would be some tea-related tasks.  :hearts:  :jumpy:  :wohoo:
Find the RED tea leaf, lol! :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :groan:

I think Tammy Gaghan wouldn't like to see that! (:;)
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Post by: theschnauzers on January 24, 2010, 05:50:51 PM
I posed a suggestion a few days back about perhaps both Hamburg and Liverpool coming into play. The Germany spoiler came from a newspaper article in Barichole attributed to the TAR production crew; and I'm still thinking Germany may play a role in there somehow.
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Post by: Caelestor on January 24, 2010, 05:51:06 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Indra-Club-Hamburg.png
can this be on of loctoin thif is frist place perform in hamburger germany


I think they are going to Liverpool, England. The World War I battle reenactment is in France. Do they even visit Germany this season?

It's either Germany or England: can't have both.
Germany's been visited recently, so I would like to think TAR 16 goes to England and have two legs there. From Hamburg, it's hard to get to Lille w/o passing through Belgium. Of course, they may have also gone to Strasbourg.

What's surprising is that nobody saw the racers in Europe. They've gotten better at hiding...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 24, 2010, 05:58:59 PM
Both Liverpool and France seem to be confirmed by the press releases.

Germany has never been anything more than a media mention, in a foreign language paper. We don't know where that info came from or how to intrepret it...it could have been as simple as production connecting thru Germany, or someone misinterpreting something they heard.

If we have England, and I personally think there is no doubt...then we don't have Germany. 8 countries.
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Post by: Hooky on January 24, 2010, 09:13:04 PM
Bringing this over from the Timeline thread:

Quote
I doubt it will be a final 4  but I think that one of them was eliminated and took the same flight with the final 3

Or there could be a surprise twist that has one of the 4 teams eliminated in the US.  It could be very unexpected.  We're watching Episode 11 (on the basis of a 12 episode season), and they went through all of the 3 NE episodes (or 2 NE + 1 TBC), and you'd think that this episode is obviously a Philimination.

Then Phil saves that team, and everyone watching is in shock.  Then, it's finale time.  Everyone is trying to get back to the US and to the Finish line.  Somewhere in the middle of the episode, there's a mid-leg Philimination.  Then they're down to 3 teams, all of which will race to the Finish Mat.

Probably won't happen, although I might reconsider the possibility of the above occurring, if we're lucky enough to get a 2-hr finale (with a single leg stretched out in the form of the AR 6-9 premieres).

I could see this happening, even if there wasn't a two-hour finale. The producers seem to be all about surprises lately in an effort to keep things fresh. This could be the sequel to the Starting Line elimination we saw in TAR 15.
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Post by: georgiapeach on January 24, 2010, 09:30:38 PM
Except we already know one decoy team arrived on the same flight with the racers...remember??

4 teams on the last flight is not unexpected.
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Post by: Hooky on January 24, 2010, 09:41:56 PM
Except we already know one decoy team arrived on the same flight with the racers...remember??

4 teams on the last flight is not unexpected.

Oh, you mean the picture of Louie & Mike in San Fran airport? Dang it. Oh well.
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Post by: DrRox on January 24, 2010, 11:21:56 PM
I guess I need to go back and read. I thought that Mike and Louie came in a day early with some production people.
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Post by: georgiapeach on January 25, 2010, 02:01:38 AM
With some production people, same flight as the teams. Only flight from Shanghai in that time frame.
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Post by: Hooky on January 25, 2010, 01:23:26 PM
If they came on the same flight, how were the F3 not seen? ???
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Post by: Mattjimf on January 25, 2010, 05:31:40 PM
On the Liverpool theme John Lennon's Childhood home Mendips is closed between November and February - http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-mendips so could have been opened especially for a task.
Also the church where John and Paul first met, St. Peter's - http://www.stpeters-woolton.org.uk/index.php which also has the grave of Elenor Rigby.
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Post by: ZBC Company on January 25, 2010, 05:54:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNfWjMqAi8s
cbs is fast with things just kind this might be the intro for this season
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Post by: redwings8831 on January 25, 2010, 05:59:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNfWjMqAi8s
cbs is fast with things just kind this might be the intro for this season

It's not the official intro.
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Post by: ZBC Company on January 25, 2010, 06:00:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNfWjMqAi8s
cbs is fast with things just kind this might be the intro for this season

It's not the official intro.
i know i was just kind
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Post by: puddin on January 25, 2010, 08:08:38 PM
TwentyHeroes did a HELL of a job making that! Big Kudos to him!
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Post by: ZBC Company on January 25, 2010, 09:10:59 PM
wonder what song was play on prom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c47fuMxVnBQ
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Post by: Neobie on January 25, 2010, 10:38:16 PM
Random thought. Getting dropped off at the starting line in a park by a bus? Making your way to the airport by public transport? That sounds very much like we're back to TAR Classic!

*prays for good things to come*
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Post by: theschnauzers on January 25, 2010, 11:12:37 PM
Random thought. Getting dropped off at the starting line in a park by a bus? Making your way to the airport by public transport? That sounds very much like we're back to TAR Classic!

*prays for good things to come*

I had the exact same thought when the first day of tweets came in that indicated the teams weren't driving but were seen running and going to train and bus terminals.

(It now means that one Race out of New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles have started with public transportation.)
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Post by: Caelestor on January 25, 2010, 11:48:03 PM
Random thought. Getting dropped off at the starting line in a park by a bus? Making your way to the airport by public transport? That sounds very much like we're back to TAR Classic!

*prays for good things to come*

I had the exact same thought when the first day of tweets came in that indicated the teams weren't driving but were seen running and going to train and bus terminals.

(It now means that one Race out of New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles have started with public transportation.)

The best part is that getting to LAX is not direct at all. Not a single rail line goes to the airport  :neener:
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Post by: gingerman28 on January 26, 2010, 03:11:47 PM
Is there anyway they could have gone to England instead of Germany? I came across this article when I was searching google and found this. It could be a typo  :duno: :


 first stop in Chile and later challenges including the reenactment of a World War I battle in France and a Beatles-centric puzzle in Liverpool, England.



The quote in this article is based upon the writer's thought that a mention of early Beattles meant their early time in Liverpool. Many people only associate the Beattles in Liverpool and are not aware of their early and first appearances in Hamburg, Germany. So this could just be the writer's interpretation of the CBS press release.  If the teams go to Hamburg in search of the Beattles, then they might continue by auto down through Germany to visit either infamous German concentration camps of Buchenwald or Dachau (as TAR did previously at Auschwitz-Birkenau) where they could meet the world's most infamous villan: Adolph Hitler (recreated, of course).  The teams could easily then continue on through Strasbourg by car to the WWI reenactment site in Lille, France.
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Post by: apskip on January 26, 2010, 05:02:45 PM
Gman,
I typically agree with most things you say, but not this time. The distance from Hamburg to Dachau is about 776 km which is about 6 hours 53 mins by Autobahn. Hamburg is near the northwest corner of Germany and Munich (Dachau is 10 km away) is near its southeast corner and it is a big country. Buchenwald is near Weimar in the center of Germany, but is still 390 km, 240 miles and 4hours 20 minutes away. Besides that, Liverpool is specifically mentioned in at least one of the articles written about AR16. After getting to Dachau it would be 677 km or   421 miles to Seclin and a shorter but still huge distance from Buchenwald to Seclin.

The distances from Liverpool to Seclin are shorter and the timing quicker than either of the above. I am not going to state for sure that your scenario will not happen, but a its probability is too low to think about.
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Post by: redskevin88 on January 26, 2010, 06:56:01 PM
http://www.thefootymaniac.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=tar&thread=7&page=1

It says about the Battle of the Bulge which was in December 1943/44?
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Post by: DrRox on January 26, 2010, 07:03:38 PM
Basically, wrong war and wrong countries.  Battle of the Bulge is WWII and was centered in Belgium and Luxemboug.....with very minor action on French soil. Antwerp, Belguim was the object of the German couter-attack. So the axis of the attack was from the Ardennes to Antwerp, away from France.
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Post by: Caelestor on January 26, 2010, 07:36:22 PM
I'm surprised to see how close Lille is to Belgium. If they actually went to Belgium Hamburg (typo changes the meaning of my sentence), I will be sorely disappointed that they didn't stop in Brussels  :'(

OTOH, the cliffs of Dover are interesting. Easy to take a ferry to Calais from there...

ETA: Are there trains to France besides Eurostar from Ashford?
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Post by: apskip on January 26, 2010, 08:46:11 PM
I'm surprised to see how close Lille is to Belgium. If they actually went to Belgium, I will be sorely disappointed they didn't stop in Brussels  :'(

OTOH, the cliffs of Dover are interesting. Easy to take a ferry to Calais from there...
Caelestor,
The Chunnel goes under the White Cliffs of Dover at Folkestone and comes out at the Pas-de Calais. It is much quicker and more expensive than the traditional ferry crossings. I too would love to see Belgium, a neat country with some world-class cities (Brussels, Ghent and Bruges) on the Amazing Race. It will happen, but despite the proximity to Lille and Seclin I don't think AR16 found time to go there. I hope I am wrong in that prediction.
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Post by: gingerman28 on January 27, 2010, 02:37:09 PM
Gman,
I typically agree with most things you say, but not this time. The distance from Hamburg to Dachau is about 776 km which is about 6 hours 53 mins by Autobahn. Hamburg is near the northwest corner of Germany and Munich (Dachau is 10 km away) is near its southeast corner and it is a big country. Buchenwald is near Weimar in the center of Germany, but is still 390 km, 240 miles and 4hours 20 minutes away. Besides that, Liverpool is specifically mentioned in at least one of the articles written about AR16. After getting to Dachau it would be 677 km or   421 miles to Seclin and a shorter but still huge distance from Buchenwald to Seclin.

The distances from Liverpool to Seclin are shorter and the timing quicker than either of the above. I am not going to state for sure that your scenario will not happen, but a its probability is too low to think about.

Apskip, I was only trying to tie in the "world's mosts infamous villian" who in my mind is Aldolf Hitler, but it could be Jack the Ripper or Dr.James Moriarty in London for all I know.  But the one article that mentions Liverpool quotes the CBS press release almost in toto but adds Beattles in Liverpool which is not mentioned in the press release.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on January 28, 2010, 01:07:34 AM
If they came on the same flight, how were the F3 not seen? ???
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Post by: valor boreal on January 28, 2010, 05:19:22 AM
Hmmm, I would have thought that the Rieper Bahn (which was where the club where The Beatles had their residency in Hamburg was) would have been a big place for sightings.

On the topic of notorious villains, what about Napolean Bonaparte?
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Post by: Plaidmoon on January 28, 2010, 05:51:29 AM
Hmmm, I would have thought that the Rieper Bahn (which was where the club where The Beatles had their residency in Hamburg was) would have been a big place for sightings.

On the topic of notorious villains, what about Napolean Bonaparte?

We have twitter reports of racers with Star Wars Storm Troopers at the Lucas Films building in San Francisco. I'd expect that Darth Vader (well known notorious villain) hands them a clue. Sort of like how they used Wayne Newton last season.

Plaidmoon
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Post by: redskevin88 on January 28, 2010, 06:05:07 AM
Possible route??


Leg 1: Los Angeles, USA - Valaparasio, Chile
Leg 2: Valaparasio, Chile - Puerto Varas, Chile
Leg 3: Puerto Varas, Chile - Baroliche, Argentina
Leg 4: Baroliche, Argentina - Asunción, Paraguay
Leg 5: Asunción, Paraguay - England
Leg 6: Liverpool, England - France
Leg 7: France - Seychelles
Leg 8: Seychelles - KL, Malaysia
Leg 9: KL, Malaysia - Penang, Malaysia
Leg 10: Penang - Singapore
Leg 11: Singapore - Shanghai, China
Leg 12: Shanghai - San Francisco
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Post by: Neobie on January 28, 2010, 07:20:12 AM
Leg 1: Los Angeles, USA - Valaparasio, Chile
Leg 2: Valaparasio, Chile - Puerto Varas, Chile
Leg 3: Puerto Varas, Chile - Baroliche, Argentina
Leg 4: Baroliche, Argentina - Asunción, Paraguay
Leg 5: Asunción, Paraguay - England
Leg 6: Liverpool, England - France
Leg 7: France - Seychelles
Leg 8: Seychelles - KL, Malaysia
Leg 9: KL, Malaysia - Penang, Malaysia
Leg 10: Penang - Singapore
Leg 11: Singapore - Shanghai, China
Leg 12: Shanghai - San Francisco

Sounds reasonable, except I would remove Asuncion (false spoiler) and Kuala Lumpur (not enough time between Penang and Singapore), and put in an extra leg in Shanghai. I can't guarantee that there's a 12th leg, but if there is it would lie somewhere between Bariloche and the Seychelles.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: woden on January 28, 2010, 07:57:49 AM
Neobie, I'm updating the timeline currently and trying to figure out the last several legs. Here are the sightings we have:

Dec 12: Phil spotted in Dubai en route to Malaysia
Dec 14: Team (boys) spotted en route from KL to Penang
Dec 15: Phil spotted in Penang International Airport McDonald's (apx 5:45pm)

So if teams are in Seychelles on 12/11, I think there's time for a KL leg on 12/12 and/or 12/13. Having trouble finding time for a second Shanghai leg, though. Our report of filming in Shanghai for 3-4 days is pretty typical for a single leg (including production set-up/tear-down time). Can you help?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 28, 2010, 01:20:28 PM
Don't forget the actual video filming time in Penang...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 28, 2010, 03:37:35 PM
I'm thinking:

Leg 1: Los Angeles, California to Valparaiso, Chile
Leg 2: Valparaiso, Chile to Puerto Varas, Chile
Leg 3: Puerto Varas, Chile to Bariloche, Argentina
Leg 4: Bariloche, Argentina to Liverpool, England and possibly Germany?
Leg 5: England/Germany to somewhere in France (rural)
Leg 6: somewhere in France to Lilles, France
Leg 7: Lilles, France to Seychelles
Leg 8: Seychelles to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Leg 9: KL, Malaysia to Penang, Malaysia
Leg 10: Penang, Malaysia to Singapore City, Singapore
Leg 11: Singapore, Singapore to Shanghai, China
Leg 12: Shanghai, China to San Francisco, California
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 28, 2010, 03:49:45 PM
Last time I am going to say this...8 countries per the Press releases.

You can't have both England and Germany so you get to pick only one.

I pick England.  :lol:

The route is already pretty well organized in the Timeline thread thanks to woden's hard work, see the first post there...
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on January 28, 2010, 04:46:19 PM
i say the route is this:

2 legs in Canada, followed by a leg in Belgium, and a couple of legs in Germany.  Then they make their way to Djibouti for a leg, before continuing on to Dubai.  From there they head to Indonesia then head to Australia for two legs.  Finally, they hit Paraguay before heading back to the US for the final leg in Dallas.  :lol3:

there's 12 legs, in 8 countries, on 5 continents (if you count all americas as one)  :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on January 28, 2010, 04:54:07 PM
i say the route is this:

2 legs in Canada, followed by a leg in Belgium, and a couple of legs in Germany.  Then they make their way to Djibouti for a leg, before continuing on to Dubai.  From there they head to Indonesia then head to Australia for two legs.  Finally, they hit Paraguay before heading back to the US for the final leg in Dallas.  :lol3:


HEEE!! Don't forget the Masada!! :lol3:
there's 12 legs, in 8 countries, on 5 continents (if you count all americas as one)  :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Glamazon Racer on January 29, 2010, 01:05:29 AM
i say the route is this:

2 legs in Canada, followed by a leg in Belgium, and a couple of legs in Germany.  Then they make their way to Djibouti for a leg, before continuing on to Dubai.  From there they head to Indonesia then head to Australia for two legs.  Finally, they hit Paraguay before heading back to the US for the final leg in Dallas.  :lol3:

there's 12 legs, in 8 countries, on 5 continents (if you count all americas as one)  :lol:
Seems feasable. :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

You guys crack me up! :jam:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 30, 2010, 04:18:13 PM
okay, no Germany, 1 leg in France and 2 in China is more of a possibility then!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DavidJunior on January 30, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
so if i'm reading the spoilers correctly, the course should be something like this:
Start: Los Angeles, USA (big surprise  :res:)
Leg 1: Valporaiso, Chile
Leg 2: Puerto Varas, Chile
Leg 3: Bariloche, Argentina
Leg 4: Liverpool, England
Leg 5: England/France (not confirmed)
Leg 6: Northern France (major WWI battlefield)
Leg 7: The Seychelles
Leg 8: Penang, Malaysia
Leg 9: Singapore
Leg 10: Shanghai, China I
Leg 11: Shanghai, China II
Leg 12: San Francisco, USA

there is also a slight possibility of the extra leg being in Malaysia.  But I believe it's another leg in Europe OR another leg in Malaysia (i chose Europe)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on March 26, 2010, 12:10:47 AM
Speculated Finale Placements
1st: Jet and Cord
2nd: Dan and Jordan
3rd: Brent and Caitie
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: RealityFreakWill on March 26, 2010, 12:42:48 AM
Speculated Finale Placements
1st: Jet and Cord
2nd: Dan and Jordan
3rd: Brent and Caitie

First of all welcome to RFF....

But can  you back up with the evidence?

Cuz the spec I'm getting is that Dan and Jordan won followed by the cowpokes and then B/C.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 26, 2010, 01:50:14 AM
in fact i am beginning to suspect that the cowboy winning the million dollars.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on March 26, 2010, 01:54:44 AM
I gathered all the evidences. Most probably Jet and Cord won(90/10). Then Dan and Jordan and Brent and Caitie
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on March 26, 2010, 02:00:09 AM
I think its kinda illegal for the winners to leak out their position in the race if not they wont receive the 1 million dollars.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Evan_Weinstein on March 26, 2010, 02:07:19 AM
anyway is about Cord losing his wallet in WY




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Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on March 26, 2010, 02:45:31 AM
But Dan and Jordan are still in this to win this thing! Thats for sure! Brent and Caitlin is definitely 3rd.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on March 26, 2010, 08:34:06 AM
Okay guys, a couple of things, Speculation belongs in the speculation thread, not in the Timeline.

Second, NO racers Facebook's conversations or photos or ANYTHING at all from FB is allowed here without their written permission. We have an excellent relationship with the racers, and value their trust and friendship, and we do not lift their conversations out of context. These guidelines are posted in the TAR 16 racers thread.

Hiipers Girl, you are very welcome here, as long as you remember those guidelines and familiarize yourself with the SIMPLE RULES and RACER GUIDELINES.

You regular posters know better.

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: apskip on March 26, 2010, 08:36:09 AM
What a useless conversation above. If you want to speculate, just do it. The evidence from Spoilers points to a very specific outcome. If you want to know, go find it in earlier posts.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: slayton on April 05, 2010, 06:07:06 PM
Since the "Ranking the Teams" thread is unspoiled and I can't find any other threads for this, I decided to place my calculations, based on theschnauzers's numbers, here.

Quote
Jet-Cord   2.8750   23/8   
Carol-Brandy   3.8750   31/8 
Louie-Michael   4.5000   36/8 
Jordan-Daniel    5.5000   44/8 
Brent-Caite    5.5000   44/8   

Steve-Allison   3.3750   27/8
Jeff-Jordan   5.6666   34/6
Joseph-Heidi    4.4000   22/5   
Monique-Shawne 5.3333   16/3
Jody-Shannon    10.0000   20/2
Adrian-Dana    11.0000   11/1   



I learned my lesson, from the sums of all the final 3 and final 4 teams, that trying to determine the best and worst performing casts with just average placements doesn't work.

I think the only way to compare the casts of each season is to determine if that particular cast has reached certain benchmarks.
 
If TAR16 shakes out the way the spoilers indicate, then I will argue that the TAR16 cast is indeed the worst performing cast in TAR US history based on at least 3 different benchmarks:


Eric & Danielle are the worst performing winners right now with 3.6153.  If Jet & Cord don't win, TAR16 will have the worst performing winners in TAR US history, and it will also have the first winners to have an average placement of 4 or worse.

One last item of note is that every winner has had an average placement ranked either first, second, or third compared to everyone in their own cast, except for Eric & Danielle whose average placement was ranked fourth in their cast behind Oswald & Danny, Rob & Amber, and Dustin & Kandice.  If Jet & Cord don't win, TAR16's winners could rank anywhere from third in their cast, tied with Carol & Brandy, all the way to sixth in their cast.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: amazingracer24 on April 25, 2010, 05:25:57 AM
I have a question!!


is DUAL CITIZENSHIP accepted in TAR???
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on April 25, 2010, 06:12:39 AM
I have a question!!


is DUAL CITIZENSHIP accepted in TAR???

You have to race with a US passport...........thats about as simple as I can put it.

As long as one of those "DUAL CITIZENSHIP's" is a U.S. one ......then you are a US Citizen, right?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on April 26, 2010, 11:55:16 PM
Which team do you think will win this race?
(1) Dan and Jordan?
(2) Brent and Caite
(3) Jet and Cord
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redskevin88 on April 27, 2010, 12:43:19 AM
Which team do you think will win this race?
(1) Dan and Jordan?
(2) Brent and Caite
(3) Jet and Cord

JET AND CORD!!!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Kevin_Zhu on April 27, 2010, 10:29:58 AM
Jet and Cord!! :wohoo:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on April 27, 2010, 06:06:33 PM
Which team do you think will win this race?
(1) Dan and Jordan?
(2) Brent and Caite
(3) Jet and Cord

Random spammer?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: AmazingRace on April 28, 2010, 03:32:32 AM
I have a feeling it is Dan & Jordan :duno: :meow: though I want Jet & Cord to win this race!  :jumpy:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Sailing on April 28, 2010, 05:18:56 AM
I thought it was already known who won this season per Claire's post?  :lol:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redskevin88 on April 28, 2010, 05:22:13 AM
I thought it was already known who won this season per Claire's post?  :lol:

Who?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: SuzuKen on April 28, 2010, 05:32:07 AM
I thought it was already known who won this season per Claire's post?  :lol:

Who?

Wat? U mean e winners haf been leaked alr? O.o hope it's team cowbros! (Tho if D/J won tat won't b too bad either! XD)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: DrRox on April 28, 2010, 06:17:43 AM
I thought it was already known who won this season per Claire's post?  :lol:

Who?

Wat? U mean e winners haf been leaked alr? O.o hope it's team cowbros! (Tho if D/J won tat won't b too bad either! XD)

The winner is not known. The above comments are by people that really dont like do much reading and just make wish lists in the middle of threads that have nothing to do with the thread. Just ignore them.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on April 28, 2010, 08:24:03 AM
Speculations and Spoilers have shown that most probably Dan and Jordan will win. Jet and Cord 1st runner up, Brent and Caite 2nd :) :neener: :yess:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: woden on April 28, 2010, 08:28:12 AM
Speculations and Spoilers have shown that most probably Dan and Jordan will win. Jet and Cord 1st runner up, Brent and Caite 2nd :) :neener: :yess:

Not a given by any means. Dan & Jordan were suggested to have a 30 minute lead out of customs, but Phil has confirmed in a TVGuide interview that other teams were able to catch up and there were some lead changes. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: jerseydude on April 28, 2010, 08:50:34 AM
Speculations and Spoilers have shown that most probably Dan and Jordan will win. Jet and Cord 1st runner up, Brent and Caite 2nd :) :neener: :yess:

Not a given by any means. Dan & Jordan were suggested to have a 30 minute lead out of customs, but Phil has confirmed in a TVGuide interview that other teams were able to catch up and there were some lead changes. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Can we have a source? Because without a source, there is no liability to your statement. (Even though I hope your predicted outcome is true ;) )
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Hooky on April 28, 2010, 03:42:34 PM
Speculations and Spoilers have shown that most probably Dan and Jordan will win. Jet and Cord 1st runner up, Brent and Caite 2nd :) :neener: :yess:

Not a given by any means. Dan & Jordan were suggested to have a 30 minute lead out of customs, but Phil has confirmed in a TVGuide interview that other teams were able to catch up and there were some lead changes. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Can we have a source? Because without a source, there is no liability to your statement. (Even though I hope your predicted outcome is true ;) )

This:

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Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on April 29, 2010, 06:41:28 AM
Its a fact that Dan and Jordan won. I will not give the evidence as I dont want to create lots of misunderstandings or offend anyone.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on April 29, 2010, 06:48:39 AM
If you have read the newspaper cutting with Phil and the tall China man, the paper stated 'Just when you think you have worked out who is gonna win, another team miraculously makes up lost ground(most probably Dan and Jordan) Ow my Gravy!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Mister RC on April 29, 2010, 07:38:00 AM
Unless that meant that people may have figured out that Dan & Jordan won (based on an unintentional advantage), and the team that miraculously made up "lost ground" or time or whatever is one of the other two teams that had a 30-minute deficit.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Belle Book on April 29, 2010, 06:28:44 PM
If you have read the newspaper cutting with Phil and the tall China man, the paper stated 'Just when you think you have worked out who is gonna win, another team miraculously makes up lost ground(most probably Dan and Jordan) Ow my Gravy!

Which team was 30 minutes ahead coming out of customs?  If it was Dan & Jordan, then another team must miraculously make up lost time -- most likely Jet & Cord as I doubt Brent & Caitie are able to make up lost time that quickly.

Belle Book
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: amazingracer24 on April 30, 2010, 02:14:33 AM
Oh!!
READ THIS

The placements of Season 1 & Season 16:
11th Place:Matt & Ana/Dana & Adrian(male/female team)
10th Place:Kim & Leslie/Jody & Shannon(female team)
9th Place:Pat & Brenda/Monique & Shawne(female team)
8th Place:Dave & Margaretta/Joe & Heidi(male/female team)
7th Place:Paul & Amie/Jordan & Jeff(male/female team)
6th Place:Lenny & Karyn/Steve & Allie(male/female team)
5th Place:Nancy & Emily/Carol & Brandy(female team)

After that leg.......they only left one female standing...which is...
Margarita..in Season 1
Caite..in Season 16

4th Place:Kevin & Drew/Louie & Michael(male team)
3rd Place:Joe & Bill/?
2nd Place:Frank & Margarita/?
1st Place:Rob & Brennan/?


NOW!
Do you think they will still follow that sequence...

Is it a COINCIDENCE.......OR........were PLANNED????
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: SuzuKen on April 30, 2010, 02:25:30 AM
Oh!!
READ THIS

The placements of Season 1 & Season 16:
11th Place:Matt & Ana/Dana & Adrian(male/female team)
10th Place:Kim & Leslie/Jody & Shannon(female team)
9th Place:Pat & Brenda/Monique & Shawne(female team)
8th Place:Dave & Margaretta/Joe & Heidi(male/female team)
7th Place:Paul & Amie/Jordan & Jeff(male/female team)
6th Place:Lenny & Karyn/Steve & Allie(male/female team)
5th Place:Nancy & Emily/Carol & Brandy(female team)

After that leg.......they only left one female standing...which is...
Margarita..in Season 1
Caite..in Season 16

4th Place:Kevin & Drew/Louie & Michael(male team)
3rd Place:Joe & Bill/?
2nd Place:Frank & Margarita/?
1st Place:Rob & Brennan/?


NOW!
Do you think they will still follow that sequence...

Is it a COINCIDENCE.......OR........were PLANNED????

 :ascared doesn't that imply that for s16:
#1  Jet & Cord
#2  Brent & Caite
#3  Dan & Jordan

o.0  or are we just thinking too hard about this? XD
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: amazingracer24 on April 30, 2010, 02:45:39 AM
How come it doesn't imply in Season 16????????
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on April 30, 2010, 06:08:49 AM
But a recent poll have shown that 65 percent of the general public thinks and wants Jet and Cord to win. So Jet and Cord most probably would not be the team that miraculously makes up lost ground.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on April 30, 2010, 06:51:58 AM
But a recent poll have shown that 65 percent of the general public thinks and wants Jet and Cord to win. So Jet and Cord most probably would not be the team that miraculously makes up lost ground.

Those two statements have no connection though. WHat the public wants , has no bearing on what happened long before now.
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on April 30, 2010, 09:24:16 AM
So georgiapeach. Which team do you think and believe will take home the million?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: georgiapeach on April 30, 2010, 10:09:28 AM
One of the top three! :lol:

I don't speculate or spoil the final three standings at this point, other than what is known already. :angel

Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Plaidmoon on April 30, 2010, 06:47:33 PM
But a recent poll have shown that 65 percent of the general public thinks and wants Jet and Cord to win. So Jet and Cord most probably would not be the team that miraculously makes up lost ground.

I'd be highly surprised if 65% of the general public could even name one team remaining in The Amazing Race at this point. It's hard to believe since we're all Amazing Race fanatics, but far less than 50% of the general public even watches The Amazing Race.  :ascared

Where do you find people conducting polls on obscure questions like this?

Plaidmoon
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: redskevin88 on April 30, 2010, 09:19:59 PM
 B:) For all I know the taxi driver drove Dan & Jordan to the police station and as a result they get eliminated by Shanghai police....
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on April 30, 2010, 10:11:36 PM
That is so untrue. You are just jealous that Dan and Jordan won!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Caelestor on April 30, 2010, 10:36:28 PM
That is so untrue. You are just jealous that Dan and Jordan won!

Your logic is circuitous, and we have no confirmation that Dan and Jordan won. Maybe peach knows though  :secret
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Zack. on April 30, 2010, 11:25:29 PM
What would be hilarious is, after all the conclusions drawn from the article, SFO sightings and enigmatic predictions without a bit of evidence or tact, that Brent and Caite won. 

Though if the last RB/task is related to geography, then I retract this, since they would obviously get Weaver'ed.  :lol3:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on May 01, 2010, 11:11:16 PM
So the biggest question is which team won the amazing race?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Snooky on May 01, 2010, 11:14:54 PM
That is so untrue. You are just jealous that Dan and Jordan won!

Your logic is circuitous, and we have no confirmation that Dan and Jordan won. Maybe peach knows though  :secret
Of course she does.  :-X
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on May 01, 2010, 11:44:56 PM
?
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: SuzuKen on May 01, 2010, 11:50:52 PM
That is so untrue. You are just jealous that Dan and Jordan won!

Your logic is circuitous, and we have no confirmation that Dan and Jordan won. Maybe peach knows though  :secret
Of course she does.  :-X

yikes!  :'( someone pls tell me it's the cowbros~ (or at least that it's NOT brent-caite  :lol:)
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on May 01, 2010, 11:52:09 PM
Dan and Jordan are the winners of TAR 16
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: amazingracer24 on May 02, 2010, 04:05:55 AM
Please...

Someone tell us...

SERIOUSLY...

THE WINNER!!!
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on May 02, 2010, 04:59:59 AM
anybody's got jet and cord's or dan and jordan's meet and greet interview videos? If so pm me please. Thanks
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: TexasLady on May 02, 2010, 08:09:17 AM
Please...

Someone tell us...

SERIOUSLY...

THE WINNER!!!

WHAT??? And ruin it for all of us? Nope! Ain't gonna happen, I guarantee it!  :lol3:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: SuzuKen on May 02, 2010, 08:22:54 AM
Please...

Someone tell us...

SERIOUSLY...

THE WINNER!!!

WHAT??? And ruin it for all of us? Nope! Ain't gonna happen, I guarantee it!  :lol3:
Just over a wk of suspense to go >.<
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: TexasLady on May 02, 2010, 08:40:19 AM
Just over a wk of suspense to go >.<

Can't  Wait!   :jumpy:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: HIIPERS GIRL on May 02, 2010, 09:35:56 AM
anybody's got jet and cord's or dan and jordan's insider interview videos? If so pm me please. Thanks
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: AmazingRace on May 09, 2010, 03:57:26 AM
Just more than 12 hours to go....  :hearts:
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: Cocoa on June 18, 2010, 02:28:41 AM
They have already landed..........about 2+ hours ago........

???
Title: Re: Speculation on TAR16 *no wish-lists please*
Post by: weihen on June 18, 2010, 02:37:52 AM
They have already landed..........about 2+ hours ago........
post wrong thread?maybe TAR17?