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Title: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 07, 2009, 08:27:57 PM
11/22    Amazing Race 15 - We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore! (Czech Republic)





Prague Czech Republic 8/5

Coolios  (http://)
I have just saw camera guy & sound guy (with "C" letter on backpack) @ Old Town Square, Prague. Photo evidence (photos here) (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18840.msg440313.html#msg440313) s

oon.


graytex   (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18840.msg439231.html#msg439231)
*I've stumbled on some info that there may be a kayaking task in the Prague area tomorrow.  Don't want to be too specific because I   TAR and don't want to mess up our race!
 

**Blog info from one of our Prague kayakers (friend of the last guy we got info from):

06 August 2009
 
Over the past few days at Prague there has been heaps of people buzzing around setting up this massive rigging system over the course. First thoughts from the team were they were setting up power lines, then a big screen. As it took more shape and the removal of slalom gates at the top part of the course it was clear, a rope climb above the course for ‘The Amazing Race’. Turns out the show was filming here all day today. I had a few chats to the rigging guys and what a life they live, cruising the world to amazing places to film people! I apparently was filmed while doing my session as they were packing up the ropes etc, but wont know I guess until it comes out on TV.. One good way to get you to watch the show….


with the help of  walkingpneumonia, Slowhatch, Boingo, Chateau, graytex and puddin and peach... task and photo evidence starts here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18840.msg439985.html#msg439985)


notes:
graytex (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,19088.msg440201.html#msg440201)
Haven't seen this here, but Masem at TWOP (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=3187295&view=findpost&p=12036274) posted this:

Part of an addition to the TAR 15 article on Wikipedia that I had to remove due to lack of sourcing, but provided by user Awilmot there:
"On Wednesday August 5th, I have just seen 2 teams at Prague Castle, which was their pit stop. One pretty team (guy and girl in blue) and one all guy team (one with dyed hair)."


And there is MORE!! And y'all aren't going to believe this one!! :funny:

The following is a true DETECTIVE GROUP COLLABORATION from walkingpneumonia, Slowhatch, Boingo, Chateau, graytex and puddin and peach.

graytex discovered a lead that with walkingpneumonia's help, took us to the Troja WhiteWater Centre, (http://troja.kanoe.cz/English/location.htm) a training facility for world class kayakers.

Photos and Map Link (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.kayaksession.com/world/prague1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.kayaksession.com/Prague-WC2008.php&usg=__q7ju3iXTF77iSqSgEGG9lo5YUM0=&h=259&w=478&sz=99&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=qPVWSJu2H4p7gM:&tbnh=70&tbnw=129&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522troja%2Bwhitewater%2522%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26um%3D1)

Google Earth coordinates from Boingo: 50° 6'45.90"N    14°25'30.53"E

and Boingo's Troja Panoramio (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/12295723)

And (map here (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=50.112783,14.427055&spn=0.004933,0.013937&t=h&z=17), pano here (http://www.360cities.net/image/kayak-practice-on-the-vltava)) from Slowhatch

But perhaps the BEST discovery came when walkingpneumonia pointed out that this site had....WEBCAMS!!  Which refresh at two minute intervals and provide an hourly archive.

After that it was really a matter of sitting back and letting puddin snag >300 pictures, which we will make available later on, after we've had some sleep!

SO WHY is this mportant you ask? The answer is is that this is the site of one of the final four tasks leading to the last elimination.

We were able to see quite a lot of production scurrying about, 4 inflatable red rafts, and eventually a team (or half team) come directly by the webcam on the way to the white water rapids downstream.  A bird's eye view....  :funny:

Here are a few of puddin's finest to give you a taste of what we saw!!  Just be SURE not to miss the suspended cameraguys!! :lol:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/prague/rff-0349-1.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/prague/rff-0350-1.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/prague/rff-0376.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/prague/rff-0378.jpg)





All pictures taken via webam on Aug 5  between 10  and 3 PM Prague time.






Miracle of miracle,  I managed to snag the next frame at 10:04 am.  It has the suspended cameramen farther along the line.


(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18840.0;attach=126483;image)

Here is a GE view of the location

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18840.0;attach=126526;image

Looking in this direction, I think. (link (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=50.113206,14.429166&spn=0.000617,0.001742&t=h&z=20))

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18840.0;attach=126549;image)

Here is the layout as best as I can tell:  (opps, Slowhatch beat me to it!)

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18840.0;attach=126550;image

We have 5-6 hours worth of screengrabs , probably 200 or more and will try to figure out how to get them all up .. maybe a slide show so you all could see how it unfolded. Sadly as mentioned by peach, the webcam was on a 2 minute delay and this is most likely why we did not see all teams

We're sure we missed a team right before this frame ..as Chateau has pointed out


http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18840.0;attach=126576;image
Nice! Fond memories of our Dubrovnik rigging...

All to move the camera guys around? Or something else too?
I told you they were some sort of gates peach! Thanks graytex!

So lets see if this works
Ignore the May 19th date ..it was a default folder setting I guess and am too lazy too fix it
The only pics I did not grab were very few in the time lapse as their was no activity
I was doing BB updates at the time so some screencaps slipped in , lol
Some might be duplicates ..
It was fun watching as it unfolded and talking to peach on the phone the whole time .. and so sorry for dropping the F Bomb numerous times peach  :lol:
:hfive: to the TAR Detectives  :jam:

eta: Album link here  (http://picasaweb.google.com/puddin.pies/NewFolder3?authkey=Gv1sRgCKG1trDDlM-jKg#)

 
From Movies
 
I have just saw camera guy & sound guy (with "C" letter on backpack) @ Old Town Square, Prague. Photo evidence soon.

And here they are!! :ty3: coolius !! :hearts:

TAR 15 cameracrew in Prague filming presumed location shots approx 6-630 PM August 4 2009


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2015/DSC08815.jpg)


THIS SHOT WAS TAKEN at 630 pm!! :funny:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2015/DSC08816.jpg)


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2015/DSC08819.jpg)


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2015/DSC08823.jpg)


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2015/DSC08824.jpg)

Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 08, 2009, 01:30:49 PM
saved

the discussion of who you think states the title has been moved (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21101.0.html) .. I for one do now want to fight 5 pages of speculation for 2 weeks about who states the title.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 15, 2009, 08:04:28 PM
the teams were on the rigging not the kayaks?  :groan: :lol:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 15, 2009, 08:06:11 PM
pitstop!
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 15, 2009, 08:10:12 PM
 .. or the kayaks were the other detour option Duh to me


Flight Time serenades Big Easy

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0119.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0120.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0121.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0122.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0123.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0124.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0125.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0126.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 15, 2009, 08:17:20 PM
Dan and Sam get sneaky

Brian: Ericka! the brothers are trying to steal our taxi!
Ericka: DON'T YOU DARE!
Ericka conf: it was a dirty move, its go time and I'm going for the jugular

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0127.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0128.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0129.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0130.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0131.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0132.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0133.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0134.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0135.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0136.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0137.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0139.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0140.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0143.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: mswood on November 15, 2009, 08:20:33 PM
pitstop!
That looks like a team that either was just fighting serious with each other or was eliminated, or saved by a non elimination.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 15, 2009, 08:21:36 PM
pitstop!
That looks like a team that either was just fighting serious with each other or was eliminated, or saved by a non elimination.
They are still in it

Ericka conf: it was a dirty move, its go time and I'm going for the jugular and adding the pitstop is obviously the castle. *I think* , or is that the castle behind them?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: autowil on November 15, 2009, 08:22:27 PM
So next week is TBC or Non Elim..
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: mswood on November 15, 2009, 08:26:15 PM
Puddin we know they are still in it (just stating what would leave me with that expression.  I think saved by non elimination, and with that break we should be able to eliminate the chance of a TBC, as I don't recall any TBC having interviews between them, and if it was done at the end of a TBC (and still in it) no matter how well you did you are thrilled to be in the final three.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Slowhatch on November 15, 2009, 08:30:11 PM
The decor/furnishings look like the Estates Theater (http://www.opera-mozart.cz/en/the-estates-theatre/photogallery/) in Old Town. Since Wolfie premiered Don Giovanni here, maybe they'll have to sing a little of that.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 15, 2009, 08:30:15 PM
There is no TBC, peach already called it!
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: north09 on November 15, 2009, 08:32:38 PM
With 12 episodes, this has to be a Non-Elim. As for her expression, I don't believe anyone would be all smiles reflecting on that moment.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: autowil on November 15, 2009, 08:33:34 PM
Seem like Brian/Ericka look sad..
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Dånooky on November 15, 2009, 09:13:14 PM
well, the Pit Stop definitely has to be downtown Prague
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2009, 03:23:48 AM
better late than never


 
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Coutzy on November 16, 2009, 08:57:58 AM
Judging by the edit, it looks like the RB comes first and Sam and Dan and Team Zebra are battling it out for last place, when the brothers take the cab, thus sealing Brian and Ericka's fate.

Although FT has some serious pit stains going on at the theater, so I don't know.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: gingerman28 on November 16, 2009, 09:29:35 AM
The decor/furnishings look like the Estates Theater (http://www.opera-mozart.cz/en/the-estates-theatre/photogallery/) in Old Town. Since Wolfie premiered Don Giovanni here, maybe they'll have to sing a little of that.

That indeed is the Estates Theatre (Stavovske Divadlo) where Mozart premiered his opera Don Giovanni in October 1787.  It looks like the three teams are there together and Meghan, Flight Time, and Sam are horsing around on the stage while Cheyne, Big Easy, and Dan are looking through various boxes (the ones you sit in to watch an opera not the packing kind) hunting from something. Perhaps the box that Mozart's patroness was sitting in at his premiere.  So this looks like a Roadblock.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: gingerman28 on November 16, 2009, 09:36:59 AM
There is no TBC, peach already called it!

From the this camera angle it looks like the Old Town Hall is behind them and the St. Vitus Cathedral is on the horizon, so I would guess that they may be high up on the Powder Gate or Muncipal House, both Prague landmarks and good places for the pit stop to be located. Or perhaps up on the Church of Our Lady Before Tyn which is located across the Old Town Square from the Old Town Hall (with the astronomical clock).
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Caelestor on November 16, 2009, 11:22:04 AM
A timeline comparison with last season shall suffice.

Last season, teams spent one day trying to get into Krasnoyarsk, and another out of Siberia and into India. The Trans-Siberian Railroad was this season's ferry to Tallinn. That's why there was a TBC in Beijing.

This season, the only really long-distance flight was Cambodia to Dubai. Thus, we'll be seeing a NEL next leg, unless there was a 36 hour pitstop before Vegas.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: gingerman28 on November 16, 2009, 11:41:26 AM
the teams were on the rigging not the kayaks?  :groan: :lol:

That could be the detour.  Either fly down the zip line (both Erika and Brian are rigged in harness) or cruise down the white water course in a kayak. 
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2009, 11:47:49 AM
When peach and I stayed up all night to watch the webcam we knew there was something going on down yonder  but the webcam only showed so much
looking back I think this might be Ericka and Brian

album link (http://picasaweb.google.com/puddin.pies/NewFolder3?authkey=Gv1sRgCKG1trDDlM-jKg#)
Blue van appears 11:02 am
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2009, 11:52:39 AM
to recap. 10:02 am activity
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2009, 11:53:33 AM
10:32
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2009, 11:55:47 AM
10:34
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2009, 12:00:26 PM
production we think setting up the 4? rafts
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2009, 12:06:35 PM
 :yess:

Find out which teams will make it to the final three on the next episode of The Amazing Race 15.


 
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2009, 12:14:49 PM
more later, I hate the CBS site for videos
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2009, 12:16:30 PM
.....
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2009, 12:18:52 PM
.......
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: chill_sd on November 16, 2009, 01:05:57 PM
Not seeing Brian/Ericka at the theatre, is it safe to assume they are in last at that point, assuming the Roadblock is after the Detour, which we know was in the 10 am range?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: walkingpneumonia on November 16, 2009, 02:05:34 PM
Looks like Cheyne and Meghan take public transit to the kayaking centre - I thought we had seen taxis there though.
Street view has a good image of this location as well. No 14 and 17 trains go to the stop they are at.
Looks like it could be awkward to figure out which direction to go to get to the kayaks...
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: apskip on November 16, 2009, 03:28:23 PM
A timeline comparison with last season shall suffice.

Last season, teams spent one day trying to get into Krasnoyarsk, and another out of Siberia and into India. The Trans-Siberian Railroad was this season's ferry to Tallinn. That's why there was a TBC in Beijing.

This season, the only really long-distance flight was Cambodia to Dubai. Thus, we'll be seeing a NEL next leg, unless there was a 36 hour pitstop before Vegas.

Caelestor,
I do not understand your logic on what merits a TBC and what a NEL. Please try again to explain why what you have stated has to be so.

Your statement that the "only long-distance flight was Cambodia to Dubai" is not correct. That one is 3370 miles but Dubai to  Amsterdam is 3210 and it you add in 100 miles to get to Groningen then it is 3310. I can't tell the big difference between the distances for those world city pairs.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2009, 03:54:19 PM
Clues: CBS gives it away ...........

THE COMPETITION HEATS UP AS ONE TEAM GOES BACK ON THEIR WORD AND ANOTHER TEAM FALLS TO LAST PLACE WHEN THEIR TAXI IS STOLEN, ON "THE AMAZING RACE," SUNDAY, NOV. 22
ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK

   "We're Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore! (Czech Republic)"–Tempers flare when one team goes back on their word and a Team spirals into last place when their taxi is stolen by another Team, on THE AMAZING RACE, Sunday, Nov. 22 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.  Phil Keoghan is the host.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: gingerman28 on November 16, 2009, 04:14:58 PM
pitstop!

Looking at this view again, and plotting it on my map of Prague, the angle of the shot with the St. Vitus Cathedral in the background, and the tower of the Old Town Hall on the right, the line goes right to the roof of the Estates Theatre.  Could this be the pit stop or just a place for the post-pit stop confessionals?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2009, 06:30:11 PM
I'm thinking its just a confessional place as well Gman, the rumor was that the Castle was the pitstop and I read it elsewhere but need to find the blog. The view looks like its coming from the Charles Bridge but haven't spent a lot of time on it.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: graytex on November 16, 2009, 06:34:43 PM
Not sure it's the same guy but the vehicle looks the same, driver with khaki pants and a blue striped shirt.  Which would mean that at 10:32 Ericka & Brian have arrived but Sam & Dan haven't left?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0129.jpg)

(http://i36.[banned image hosting site].com/4q0bo8.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 16, 2009, 06:48:17 PM
to recap. 10:02 am activity

That was a fun night!! You really had to be there... :funny:

You know, at the time we were focused on what team might be in the kayak...and thought it was cameraguys in the rigging.

But now, almost wonder if that could be Meghan and Cheyne in the rigging, and production in the kayak? ???

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2015/Ep%2010%20Prague/TAR15ep10riggingandkayak.jpg)

Oops...there was a whole nother page!! Maybe both?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: DrRox on November 16, 2009, 07:04:24 PM
Peach,

Might the detour be either......kayak or rigging? Looks like people doing both.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Caelestor on November 16, 2009, 07:11:03 PM
A timeline comparison with last season shall suffice.

Last season, teams spent one day trying to get into Krasnoyarsk, and another out of Siberia and into India. The Trans-Siberian Railroad was this season's ferry to Tallinn. That's why there was a TBC in Beijing.

This season, the only really long-distance flight was Cambodia to Dubai. Thus, we'll be seeing a NEL next leg, unless there was a 36 hour pitstop before Vegas.

Caelestor,
I do not understand your logic on what merits a TBC and what a NEL. Please try again to explain why what you have stated has to be so.

Your statement that the "only long-distance flight was Cambodia to Dubai" is not correct. That one is 3370 miles but Dubai to  Amsterdam is 3210 and it you add in 100 miles to get to Groningen then it is 3310. I can't tell the big difference between the distances for those world city pairs.

I take that back: TAR 14 was a 22-day race.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2009, 07:11:27 PM
Watch the video its white water or high wire.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 16, 2009, 07:13:13 PM
]
Peach,

Might the detour be either......kayak or rigging? Looks like people doing both.
Absolutely!!

Sorry, I am still catching up here, looks like others came to the same conclusion, thanks to puddin's new video! :jumpy:

But hmmmm...what's with the "Find out who is in the Final Three?  Is that a press title puddin??....We have been expecting this to be a NEL... ???


:yess:

Find out which teams will make it to the final three on the next episode of The Amazing Race 15.[/quote
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Slowhatch on November 16, 2009, 07:17:05 PM
I think we're in the right neighborhood. Enabling 3D buildings in GE gets you this rough viewpoint from the roof of the Estates.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 16, 2009, 07:19:33 PM
Y'all are awesome!! And thanks for the new panos in the Maps slowhatch, I am going from spire to spire!! :jumpy:
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Post by: kittygoesmeow on November 16, 2009, 07:41:53 PM
I'm not good at this, but can anyone get the closeup on Dan's watch when they're standing with the taxi driver? Or have we decided that that is at 10:30am?
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Post by: Caelestor on November 16, 2009, 07:50:42 PM
Looks like a 12 hour pit-stop + camping out at the airport.

Miscellaneous Task?
Detour: White Water or High Wire
Roadblock: Opera
Pit Stop: Castle
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Post by: georgiapeach on November 16, 2009, 07:53:23 PM
I'm not good at this, but can anyone get the closeup on Dan's watch when they're standing with the taxi driver? Or have we decided that that is at 10:30am?

here you go Kitty!

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2015/Ep%2010%20Prague/TAr15ep10Danswatch.jpg)
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Post by: kittygoesmeow on November 16, 2009, 08:05:11 PM
No Peach, you were supposed to tell me what time it is  :lol:

Although to me it looks like 10:20ish? Then again with my awesome vision it looks like it has 3 hands   :groan:
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Post by: Mandoli on November 16, 2009, 08:56:01 PM
But hmmmm...what's with the "Find out who is in the Final Three?  Is that a press title puddin??....We have been expecting this to be a NEL... ??

I thought there have been NEL's in the final three before. Like, right before the final leg begins. Maybe there's a final three NEL?
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Post by: kwando1313 on November 16, 2009, 09:30:12 PM
I don't know why, but I don't think so... that's because one team is disadvantaged in the final leg. I don't think that's going to happen.
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Post by: apskip on November 16, 2009, 09:30:39 PM
Don't we have two episodes in Prague? The fact is that an NEL for the second one would imply a SpeedBump in the finale. That has not happened yet in any Amazing Race, but obviously it could. There is typically enough bunching in a finale to wash out the effects of a SpeedBump if WRP wants to have all 3 Final 3 teams still in contention toward the end.
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Post by: gingerman28 on November 16, 2009, 09:41:40 PM
I'm thinking its just a confessional place as well Gman, the rumor was that the Castle was the pitstop and I read it elsewhere but need to find the blog. The view looks like its coming from the Charles Bridge but haven't spent a lot of time on it.

The team spotted at the Castle were two guys, one with tinted hair!  That would be Gary and Matt and we know now that they are a decoy  team.  The other team could be our poker-playing babes who acted also as decoys in Tallin.
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Post by: puddin on November 16, 2009, 10:58:27 PM


Find out which teams will make it to the final three on the next episode of The Amazing Race 15.[/quote
Don't you know by now? its the CBS webmonkeys at work! Remember the "speedbump" in Estonia thatdidn't happen? or the Eliminaton Station via "Sweden" when it was really Estonia? I really wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over it.
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Post by: Caelestor on November 16, 2009, 11:36:03 PM
I highly doubt this leg is elim (it's boring to watch 3 teams race in an NEL, knowing that they'll bunch in the US).
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Post by: georgiapeach on November 17, 2009, 10:07:10 AM
I think it is a mistake too, but gosh they are sloppy this season!! :groan:
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Post by: kwando1313 on November 17, 2009, 12:03:52 PM
I think there's gonna be a U-Turn this leg. U-Turn AND Speedbump on the same leg is cruel. (Assuming this leg's an NEL, (Which it should be.))
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Post by: Mandoli on November 17, 2009, 12:37:55 PM
I think there's gonna be a U-Turn this leg. U-Turn AND Speedbump on the same leg is cruel. (Assuming this leg's an NEL, (Which it should be.))

The last leg had a Speed Bump. We had an elimination as well.
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Post by: Caelestor on November 17, 2009, 02:13:16 PM
I think there's gonna be a U-Turn this leg. U-Turn AND Speedbump on the same leg is cruel. (Assuming this leg's an NEL, (Which it should be.))

TAR 12 Mumbai had both of them in the same leg. The leg also had the first Speedbump in TAR!
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Post by: graytex on November 17, 2009, 03:20:27 PM
Is there positively an episode on Thanksgiving weekend?
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Post by: puddin on November 17, 2009, 04:08:15 PM
Yes graytex, check all the listings, the futon critic, CBS, TVGuide etc
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Post by: topaz on November 17, 2009, 10:40:36 PM
Is there positively an episode on Thanksgiving weekend?
yeah, almost but since they're featuring Prague on TAR 15, the Czechs are now celebrating their 20th anniversary of the Velvet Revolution.  It seems that the producers of TAR made a coincidence on the event. :o

Sadly to say that they'd didn't went to Berlin, Germany for the 20th anniversary of the Fall of the Berlin Wall. :(
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Post by: Hooky on November 18, 2009, 12:51:05 AM
I think it is a mistake too, but gosh they are sloppy this season!! :groan:

Well if you want to be really picky, like me, you could say that they've been sloppy since TAR 12. :P Remember that awful website?

*OFF TOPIC*
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Post by: apskip on November 18, 2009, 07:24:28 AM
Is there positively an episode on Thanksgiving weekend?
yeah, almost but since they're featuring Prague on TAR 15, the Czechs are now celebrating their 20th anniversary of the Velvet Revolution.  It seems that the producers of TAR made a coincidence on the event. :o

Sadly to say that they'd didn't went to Berlin, Germany for the 20th anniversary of the Fall of the Berlin Wall. :(
Topaz,
The producers obviously did not want to wait for Nov. 9, 2009 to have an AR15 go to Berlin or to start AR16 early enough so it could go to Berlin.
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Post by: puddin on November 18, 2009, 06:55:31 PM
I found the church except it wasn't a church  :knuckles:
New Town Hall, Prague Karlovo Namesti park on Google Earth  (http://www.flickr.com/services/feeds/geo/?format=kml&tags=novomestskaradnice&lang=en-us&page=1) 
 .or pano
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/36307

trying to embed  :meow:

 
View Larger Map
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Post by: Slowhatch on November 18, 2009, 08:32:13 PM
Nice find!  :yess:  :jam: I was looking all over for that tower. There's a Sheraton nearby, that's the only thing I can think of.
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Post by: georgiapeach on November 18, 2009, 08:35:00 PM
Nice puddin!! :jumpy:

Is this the same place? From slowhatch's great link in the MAPS thread:

http://virtual.praha.eu/towers/new-town-council.html

But if we see that tower behind B/E...where are they actually standing?? Cause that must be the Pitstop, right?

So maybe the Castle rumor...was a rumor?? ???
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Post by: puddin on November 18, 2009, 10:50:24 PM
Nice find!  :yess:  :jam: I was looking all over for that tower. There's a Sheraton nearby, that's the only thing I can think of.
I figured someone else would find exactly where they were standing Slowhatch  :hearts:, 2 frigging days in a row I spent looking for this place, I'm about looney right now :lol:.
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Post by: NoluckBoston on November 19, 2009, 10:05:32 AM
There was a new commercial in between Lets Make Deal and Price today.  Nothing too new, but there is a shot of the trotters and Meghan and Cheney climbing down the scaffolding screaming that that "THEY" are trying to slow us down.
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Post by: gingerman28 on November 19, 2009, 01:37:10 PM
Nice puddin!! :jumpy:

Is this the same place? From slowhatch's great link in the MAPS thread:

http://virtual.praha.eu/towers/new-town-council.html

But if we see that tower behind B/E...where are they actually standing?? Cause that must be the Pitstop, right?

So maybe the Castle rumor...was a rumor?? ???
The team that was "spotted" at the Prague Castle was two men one with "tinted" hair.  This would be Gary and Matt and we know that they were philiminated in Estonia.  So they probably are running around Prague as decoy teams.  So I would say the claim that the Prague Castle was a pitstop is for the birds.

Brian and Erika are standing on the roof of some building which would have to be some distance from the New Town Tower (the other small tower probably would be that of the Church of St. Cyril and St. Methodius. Between the two lies Karlovo Namesti or Charles Square which could be the pitstop.    +

If you draw lines through the two towers toward St. Vitus Cathedral which is part of the Prague Castle, you could back up to the Dvorak Museum. One of the most enchanting of the Prague Baroque style and is a wonderful tribute to the Czech Republics most famous composers.  Which indeed could be an interesting pit stop.
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Post by: puddin on November 19, 2009, 04:24:24 PM
There was a new commercial in between Lets Make Deal and Price today.  Nothing too new, but there is a shot of the trotters and Meghan and Cheney climbing down the scaffolding screaming that that "THEY" are trying to slow us down.
I heard "hes slowing us down on purpose!" but I guess it might be Cheynes voice? , its a voice over.
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Post by: Coutzy on November 19, 2009, 09:14:14 PM
Hmm... Sam and Dan are with the two frontrunners at the theatre, but Brian and Ericka, who were right with Sam and Dan, are not present. Could they have been U-Turned by Sam and Dan?
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Post by: puddin on November 19, 2009, 09:39:38 PM
^^ Sam and Dan took their cab, Ericka looks pissed! Brian looks hurt like he can't believe it. I have no idea how hard it is to get a new taxi in the area of the detours?
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Post by: walkingpneumonia on November 20, 2009, 08:43:52 AM
Looks like Cheyne and Meghan take public transit to the kayaking centre - I thought we had seen taxis there though.
Street view has a good image of this location as well. No 14 and 17 trains go to the stop they are at.
Looks like it could be awkward to figure out which direction to go to get to the kayaks...
Now I get it - since their cab was stolen too, Cheyne and Meghan are looking for a cab to get away from the kayaking site - they are standing at the closest main intersection - where they could potentially also get a streetcar into downtown Prague.
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Post by: georgiapeach on November 20, 2009, 12:26:58 PM
Thanks WP!!

From the Troja site:

White Water Center is not situated far from the centre of the town in the holiday area Troja on the right  riverside Vltava (river Moldau) see.Maps.White Water Center is lying near Troja´s castle,ZOO,The Botanic Gardens and  large park Stromovka on  the second riverside.
How to get there:
By car
•on the bridge called Barikadnik in Prague 7 turn to the right towards local part Troja, Zoo
•pass local part called Troja as far as Troja´s  castle which is surrounded  by high white wall on the left side
•before Troja´s castle turn left toward the river
•go on upstream river approximately 700 m on the way ,which is signed like blind 
•we  advise to park on parking lot before the boathouse
By public transportation•by underground unto station called Holešovice railway station on  way "C"
•carry on by tram No. 17,5,14 unto station called Trojská ( tram is passing the river )
•after output we turning as far as the river 250 m
•then follow the downstream way near the river as far as the boathouse

Maps and stuff:

Troja WhiteWater Centre, (http://troja.kanoe.cz/English/location.htm) a training facility for world class kayakers.

Photos and Map Link (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.kayaksession.com/world/prague1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.kayaksession.com/Prague-WC2008.php&usg=__q7ju3iXTF77iSqSgEGG9lo5YUM0=&h=259&w=478&sz=99&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=qPVWSJu2H4p7gM:&tbnh=70&tbnw=129&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522troja%2Bwhitewater%2522%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26um%3D1)

Google Earth coordinates from Boingo: 50° 6'45.90"N    14°25'30.53"E

and Boingo's Troja Panoramio (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/12295723)

And (map here (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=50.112783,14.427055&spn=0.004933,0.013937&t=h&z=17), pano here (http://www.360cities.net/image/kayak-practice-on-the-vltava)) from Slowhatch
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Post by: walkingpneumonia on November 20, 2009, 12:46:47 PM
Whats this yellow strip of something that we see the racers carrying - its there at the kayak centre and the theater?

Looks like Chinese characters or maybe Viking runes?
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Post by: georgiapeach on November 20, 2009, 01:14:12 PM
Gosh, I thought they had a yellow clue in their teeth on the scaffolding...good eye!
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Post by: puddin on November 20, 2009, 01:41:24 PM
To me they look like tickets? whatever they are they must be significant, Cheyne is reading his. Maybe they just made the route clues look Czech?

   
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Post by: georgiapeach on November 20, 2009, 01:51:20 PM
Those strips are all over the wires in puddin's video...maybe they have to collect a certain number as they go? ???

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2015/Ep%2010%20Prague/TAR15ep10yellowstrips.jpg)
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Post by: puddin on November 20, 2009, 03:17:55 PM
I love that idea peach! They start with one, do they have to match it? naw that would be hard but again it must be significant to get them to the Roadblock.
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Post by: walkingpneumonia on November 20, 2009, 03:33:06 PM
Collect one strip on the zip line - the second one as you kayak?
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Post by: puddin on November 20, 2009, 04:55:34 PM
You think they have to do both wp? I assumed they were separate detour options but maybe I assumed wrong? You think its just a task to get a route clue? We do see Dan holding a Detour clue as they are pulling away.
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Post by: Glamazon Racer on November 22, 2009, 12:58:29 AM
If it is two seperate Detour tasks, Cheyne/Meghan, Flight Time/Big Easy and Ericka/Brian to the highwires, while Dan/Sam do the whitewater, right? That's what I saw.
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Post by: redskevin88 on November 22, 2009, 05:39:34 AM
Detour: Adventure or Survivor?

In adventure, climb a high-wire rope, the survivor is the water thingy.
ROADBLOCK: Something to do with dancing

I'm only guessing, don't kill me if I'm wrong

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Post by: Cocoa on November 22, 2009, 05:55:56 AM
I want to see a U-TURN! I hope there is one, but if none, its okay.

And I think the detour would be "High Or Low" thingy.

And Flight Time is clearly not doing the roadblock, its Big Easy. FT is seen with Sam, and Cheyne resting (or have we seen a task on sitting? :lol3:)
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Post by: Glamazon Racer on November 22, 2009, 06:00:55 AM
I hope this Detour is not called "Dry or Wet". Something more creative, please! :smartass :nopoints
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Post by: serendipity on November 22, 2009, 07:48:32 AM
For the roadblock, they obviously need to look for something in the theatre, maybe they look for a specific seat? If so, it's easy for the other two teams to follow once the first team finds the right location, so I think they will finish at around the same time.
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Post by: Coutzy on November 22, 2009, 08:09:24 AM
For the roadblock, they obviously need to look for something in the theatre, maybe they look for a specific seat? If so, it's easy for the other two teams to follow once the first team finds the right location, so I think they will finish at around the same time.

The tend not to put all the clues in the exact same place unless something else needs to be worked out beforehand to avoid this type of situation.

If it is a 'find the clue' task, there will probably be four clues located on seats.
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Post by: jerseydude on November 22, 2009, 09:07:21 AM
For the roadblock, they obviously need to look for something in the theatre, maybe they look for a specific seat? If so, it's easy for the other two teams to follow once the first team finds the right location, so I think they will finish at around the same time.

The tend not to put all the clues in the exact same place unless something else needs to be worked out beforehand to avoid this type of situation.

If it is a 'find the clue' task, there will probably be four clues located on seats.

Remember the epic find the departure time in the stadium in Season 8.  :funny:
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Post by: georgiapeach on November 22, 2009, 11:09:25 AM
You know, this RB is at the final 4 level, teams think they are working for final 3.

Surely TPTB would give them something more challenging than a purely LUCK based find the clue under the seat task right?? right?? :groan: Especially since we just had another LUCK based task in the haybales.

If it is luck based, then ANY of those 3 teams sitting there could come in first.... any at all. Not the strongest, not the fastest, not the sneakiest...just the luckiest.
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Post by: Coutzy on November 22, 2009, 11:26:01 AM
You know, this RB is at the final 4 level, teams think they are working for final 3.

Surely TPTB would give them something more challenging than a purely LUCK based find the clue under the seat task right?? right?? :groan: Especially since we just had another LUCK based task in the haybales.

If it is luck based, then ANY of those 3 teams sitting there could come in first.... any at all. Not the strongest, not the fastest, not the sneakiest...just the luckiest.

Come to think of it, we've had a NEL on a luck based Roadblock twice already this season (Wasabi roulette, haybales) perhaps the racers will realize this mid leg and figure it out for another NEL?
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Post by: mswood on November 22, 2009, 01:28:40 PM
For the roadblock, they obviously need to look for something in the theatre, maybe they look for a specific seat? If so, it's easy for the other two teams to follow once the first team finds the right location, so I think they will finish at around the same time.

The tend not to put all the clues in the exact same place unless something else needs to be worked out beforehand to avoid this type of situation.

If it is a 'find the clue' task, there will probably be four clues located on seats.

Remember the epic find the departure time in the stadium in Season 8.  :funny:
In my mind one of the very best luck based searching tasks (probably only Hay bales is better) and it was on the Family edition for christ sake.
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Post by: mswood on November 22, 2009, 01:31:45 PM
You know, this RB is at the final 4 level, teams think they are working for final 3.

Surely TPTB would give them something more challenging than a purely LUCK based find the clue under the seat task right?? right?? :groan: Especially since we just had another LUCK based task in the haybales.

If it is luck based, then ANY of those 3 teams sitting there could come in first.... any at all. Not the strongest, not the fastest, not the sneakiest...just the luckiest.
Well its not all down to luck (though luck is a big factor in a searching task), but speed and paying attention are also very important

But really how is that different then any number of legs where luck based transportation (ie cabs) save/ or doom a team.  One of the reasons I hate using individual public transportation and prefer larger scale (bus, train, plain, subway) and driving, running, walking one self.
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Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 03:04:59 PM
trying to put a scenario together , thinking out loud


around 9:32 am we start seeing some activity at the Troja, remember the webcam refreshed every 2 minutes so there are breaks in the pictures

I believe this is the first 3 teams arriving minus Brian and Ericka


more below
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Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 03:07:01 PM
We know The Trotters and Cheyne Meghan arrive about the same time

We see Cheyne waiting to climb down to the wires stating that the Trotters are holding him up on purpose

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0108.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0100.jpg)
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Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 03:10:29 PM
at 10:00 we see a camera man getting ready because here come who I believe are Cheyne/Meghan The Trotters and the brothers in the raft 10:02
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Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 03:16:25 PM
somewhere in this mess the brothers roll their raft and I'm thinking they might switch detours? or just are having a hard time which gets them a little bit behind te 2 leading teams

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0106.jpg)
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Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 03:21:58 PM
at 10:22 we see a cab arrive and as graytex has pointed out it maybe Brian and ERicka's per driver

at 10:28 the camera man is focused again on  a team coming on the wires, i see a hint of yellow

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0115.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0114.jpg)
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Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 03:27:41 PM
driver waits and good catch by the way graytex!
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 03:31:38 PM
at 10:48 I think this is when Sam and Dan cop Ericka and Brians taxi

Does it look like the blue car/van might have broken down or something? and Dan and Sam switch to Brian and Erickas? something something s going on there or it might just be production

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0127.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0129.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0136.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0137.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 03:35:08 PM
11:02 here are Brian and ERicka, after their cab has been swiped

at 11:18 things are wrapping up
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 03:39:50 PM
So I think that cheyne/meghan and the Trotters are in the lead

Dan and Sam had some problems at with the rafts

Ericka and Brian arrived later than the other teams 10:22 vs 10:02

then we see the lead 3 teams at the Roadblock? thats what were thinking this is right
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0125.jpg)

spiraling Brian and Ericka into last place

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0140.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 22, 2009, 04:14:49 PM
Thanks for that excellent summary puddin!! :jumpy:

I too was just going thru all 300+ webcam shots, didn't realize we had caught B/E in mid air.

FWIW, here is taximan's watch as Dan/Sam try to steal the taxi.:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/TAR%2015/Ep%2010%20Prague/TAR15ep10taximanswatch.jpg)

Unanswered questions:

Why do B/E start the whole leg off behind? Could they have come in on a later flight? Or just had bad taxi luck at the airport?

Who wins the RB? No clue really...if luck based could be anyone, if puzzle-y my $$ are on M/C. >>both total guesses.

Also, cameraguys are filming the clock and the tower in the square for a reason: Is it just for a Phil standup? Atmosphere? Or a clue location...my money is that that may be where they get their RB info.



Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Chateau d If on November 22, 2009, 04:27:58 PM
We don't need to see the watch.  This is San & Dan loading up that taxi at 10:50 am.  See the pink shirt.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0129.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 22, 2009, 04:41:43 PM
Chateau is in the house!! :jumpy:

Good catch!! Want to hazard a time shot of Big Easy on the scaffolding?? :yess:

:please: can you tell us where the pitstop (assumed) tower where B/E is standing is??

 puddin has the location of the background tower already, but where are they standing?? ???  And how close is that to the Opera House?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 05:14:43 PM
hello Chateau  :waves: :waves:  :hearts:


sports promo

Brian and Ericka look pissed!
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 05:15:51 PM
.......
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 05:18:44 PM
Cheyne and Meg are passing some construction www.orco.cz innovator fwiw

http://www.orcogroup.com/
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Chateau d If on November 22, 2009, 05:24:38 PM
Chateau is in the house!! :jumpy:

Good catch!! Want to hazard a time shot of Big Easy on the scaffolding?? :yess:

:please: can you tell us where the pitstop (assumed) tower where B/E is standing is??

 puddin has the location of the background tower already, but where are they standing?? ???  And how close is that to the Opera House?

I would just use the webcam times for Nate & Herb.  I bet they were plenty fast there.

I'm checking GE now for locations.  I thought this was already figured out  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 22, 2009, 05:37:26 PM
Thanks puddin!! :hearts: Is the video coming??

Chateau, we have everything, but the actual tower they are in thanks to puddin, but that remains unfound in GE.


The OLD TOWN HALL is the site of the Astronomical Clock  (where cameraguy Petr was filming) and here is a nice pano thanks to Slowhatch's link in MAPS. We will surely see something there tonight!

http://virtual.praha.eu/towers/old-town-hall.html
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: kittygoesmeow on November 22, 2009, 05:57:11 PM
Are you guys positive that the one shot is of Dan and Sam in the raft? They are wearing what looks to be blue wetsuits with yellow helmets, while the shot of them in the promo seems to be of them wearing black wetsuits.

Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Chateau d If on November 22, 2009, 06:38:21 PM
Thanks puddin!! :hearts: Is the video coming??

Chateau, we have everything, but the actual tower they are in thanks to puddin, but that remains unfound in GE.


The OLD TOWN HALL is the site of the Astronomical Clock  (where cameraguy Petr was filming) and here is a nice pano thanks to Slowhatch's link in MAPS. We will surely see something there tonight!

http://virtual.praha.eu/towers/old-town-hall.html

It's this place, The Sheraton as Slowhatch mentioned.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 06:42:29 PM
why did no one let me know the GE link did not work  :groan:




I found the church except it wasn't a church  :knuckles:
New Town Hall, Prague Karlovo Namesti park on Google Earth  (http://www.flickr.com/services/feeds/geo/?format=kml&tags=novomestskaradnice&lang=en-us&page=1)  
 .or pano
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/36307

trying to embed  :meow:

   
View Larger Map   
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 22, 2009, 06:53:11 PM
It does if you click view larger map....
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 06:54:48 PM
Thanks puddin!! :hearts: Is the video coming??


Nope its too late  :tup:

Are you guys positive that the one shot is of Dan and Sam in the raft? They are wearing what looks to be blue wetsuits with yellow helmets, while the shot of them in the promo seems to be of them wearing black wetsuits.



Who do you think it is? Dan and Sam make the most sense to me. Since we can't make out faces whats your guess?

Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 06:56:08 PM
It does if you click view larger map....
The GE link not Google maps peach
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 22, 2009, 07:02:49 PM
That is the GE link.  ???
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 07:04:48 PM
That is the GE link.  ???
hmm it opens a map for me not Google Earth  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: kittygoesmeow on November 22, 2009, 07:05:18 PM

Who do you think it is? Dan and Sam make the most sense to me. Since we can't make out faces whats your guess?

I don't know, my only other guess would be cameramen. Sam and Dan do make the most sense, but the colors don't seem to match up unless the back of the wetsuit is a different color (the sleeves do look to be black).
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 22, 2009, 07:05:56 PM
Thanks Chateau for the Sheraton!! :hearts:

Now though, if that is a post race confessional, it may not be the Pitstop.... could be, but may not.

If not, I still like Old Town Hall.



Heee...puddin, it is NEVER too late for your pretty videos!! :kuss:

just opened it, it went right to GE for me....
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 07:29:49 PM
peach, did you bother to read what I posted?  :groan:  :lol:












at 10:48 I think this is when Sam and Dan cop Ericka and Brians taxi

Does it look like the blue car/van might have broken down or something? and Dan and Sam switch to Brian and Erickas? something something s going on there or it might just be production

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0127.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0129.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0136.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR15/ep10/rff-0137.jpg)

Quote
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=21100.0;attach=145018;image)


We don't need to see the watch.  This is San & Dan loading up that taxi at 10:50 am.  See the pink shirt.

Chateau is in the house!! :jumpy:

Good catch!!


Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 22, 2009, 09:51:59 PM
Sorry puddin, clearly you had the cab thing too!  :-[

Good job!! :thankyou:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 11:19:06 PM
I got something right

somewhere in this mess the brothers roll their raft and I'm thinking they might switch detours? or just are having a hard time which gets them a little bit behind the 2 leading teams


Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 11:22:33 PM
the peeps in blue and boys in UNDERWEAR,,,,,,,  AGAIN  :flirt:

 Hard to believe we only caught the raft pass by once right peach?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 22, 2009, 11:38:25 PM
That raft must have slipped downstream RIGHT between the two minute refreshes of the webcam!! :groan:

Unless they kept putting in back in further downstream.

But what fun to see it come alive! I still am amazed that we caught them all on the wires, that was an incredible night!!
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 11:40:03 PM
video of the brothers in Riga

 
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Moo on November 22, 2009, 11:41:33 PM
This leg brought back the memories of Old School TAR. When I was watching it with the last ten minutes and still no teams checked in, I thought this was a TBC.

Don Giovanni and the Roadblock is such fun!

Detours were challenging AND FUN!

Different transportation gambles <333

This leg >>>>>>>>>>>> Past 51 episodes!
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Caelestor on November 22, 2009, 11:52:01 PM
This leg brought back the memories of Old School TAR. When I was watching it with the last ten minutes and still no teams checked in, I thought this was a TBC.

Don Giovanni and the Roadblock is such fun!

Detours were challenging AND FUN!

Different transportation gambles <333

This leg >>>>>>>>>>>> Past 51 episodes!

I agree with everything except the last. (TAR 13 Cambodia and TAR 14 Switzerland comes to mind.)
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 11:56:35 PM
CBS actually has a gallery up for this episode  ....wow

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race/photos/photos.php?v=38627
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2009, 11:58:53 PM
I know there is no editing in TAR but I keep thinking to myself that Brian and Ericka are getting the winning edit, they remind me a lot of Eric and Danielle >> All Stars. <3
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 23, 2009, 12:09:07 AM
All those comments from Brian about the angels, slipping in, never winning a prelim at Miss America and then taking the crown...I am thinking the same thing.

And I do think you can make a case for a winning edit on TAR, we have seen that before.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2009, 12:52:55 AM
Eric and Danielle never won a leg until it counted. I am not comparing Danille and Erics relationship by no means to Ericka and Brian. I think Brian is a really really really good guy and was truly more hurt than mad at Sam and Dan.
and was it just me or did Cheyne get a really ugly edit this episode and he and Meghan last week when they told their driver not to call a cab for Ericka and Brian. TAR does love the "karma" thing.  The Globies aren't getting much love either in the editing department. It will be interesting to see how exactly they go, I've been waiting for this upcoming episode for a long long time.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: autowil on November 23, 2009, 01:02:19 AM
Yup! Puddin.. I dunno is it Meghan or Cheyne. But they did tell the driver dun bother to call a new cab and just drive off.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Caelestor on November 23, 2009, 01:17:33 AM
It does appear that the team that got the best edit today was probably Team America. Foreshadowing?  :duno:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Ray! on November 23, 2009, 03:16:32 AM
This leg brought back the memories of Old School TAR. When I was watching it with the last ten minutes and still no teams checked in, I thought this was a TBC.

I have just watched the past seasons. Some episodes had legs where teams didn't check in until the last five minutes or so. :funny:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Jobby on November 23, 2009, 06:03:17 AM
I know there is no editing in TAR but I keep thinking to myself that Brian and Ericka are getting the winning edit, they remind me a lot of Eric and Danielle >> All Stars. <3

Exactly EXACTLY PUDDIN! I'm glad i'm not the only one!

The fact that the past few episodes gave the globetrotters a bad edit.

And this episode gave Sam and Dan a bad edit, and to think even Meghan and Cheyne got a bad edit... IS JUST AMAZING.

I completely, thanks to edit or whatsoever, turned from a Meghan and Cheyne (50%) and Brian and Ericka (50%) to a BRIAN AND ERICKA fan! I mean, i still like Meghan and Cheyne.. and previously my mind was happy that if any of these 2 teams win, i'll be glad! But now, if Bricka doesn't win.. i'll be sad!!!!!!!!

I think alot of time was spent on the Detour for this leg... and i would have done the rafting for sure... RAFTING >> THE OTHER OPTION. But this is a classic case where the "faster" Detour may not necessarily be the best choice. And this means good TV! Thanks Sam and Dan for choosing to raft, i got some pretty good moments there watching them yell at each other..

The Roadblock, in actual fact.. is LAME. BUT, the fact that the guy who kept singing... suddenly went.. "HA HA HA HA HA. *straight face* NO!" Is classic. THIS IS A TAR CLASSIC. THE GUY >>>>>> JAPANESE WOMAN IN TOKYO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :funny: :funny: :funny:

I loved how Ericka wants to go slow and steady but when Sam and Dan stole their cab, she immediately FIRED UP! :lol: Also like how Brian wants to keep playing fair! I think this might be the first time i actually like BOTH the male and female racer in a CO-ED team. Previously i usually prefer the female racer more and like the team because of the girl in the team (the other team that made me love both racer is UCHENNA AND JOYCE!), but this episode... seriously... made me feel as if i'm watching UCHENNA AND JOYCE race again! I loveeeee U/J and i just can't help it but Brian and Ericka totally kept reminding me of them! Uchenna playing fair = BRIAN. And wasn't Uchenna and Joyce another team in YELLOW as well?!?!?! :jumpy: :hearts: :jam: :wohoo:

OMG, this leg brought back alot of memories of old school TAR. <33333333333333333333333
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Jobby on November 23, 2009, 06:09:16 AM
Eric and Danielle never won a leg until it counted. I am not comparing Danille and Erics relationship by no means to Ericka and Brian. I think Brian is a really really really good guy and was truly more hurt than mad at Sam and Dan.
and was it just me or did Cheyne get a really ugly edit this episode and he and Meghan last week when they told their driver not to call a cab for Ericka and Brian. TAR does love the "karma" thing.  The Globies aren't getting much love either in the editing department. It will be interesting to see how exactly they go, I've been waiting for this upcoming episode for a long long time.

Exactly! TAR loves to play with the karma thing! And they "usually" like to give their winners a good edit. Look at BJ/Tyler.. they were one hell of an irritating team but got a good edit anyway... which saved the season because some people liked them because of their whackyness. Imagine if they just ONLY showed how they U-TURN MoJo and all the other negative stuff... more people will not like them and the season could have been a flop. Flo is another example of a "bad" edit, but she's in her own league and Flo and Zach winning = Shocking + underdogs effect = MOST. SHOCKING. RESULTS. EVER. And if i'm not wrong, many people still do like Flo and Zach. Teri and Ian was given a bad edit for one of the episodes they went up to the cab driver and told them not to help Flo and Zach....

Chip and Kim had a karma edit too, helped Kami and Karli.. and they did win. Uchenna and Joyce helped Meredith and Gretchen literally all the way to the final 4.. they gave Meredith and Gretchen money, clothes when they came in last on a NEL.. and they won.

I do believe that the karma edit seemed to be emphasized alot this season. Brian was seen helping the other teams many many times and this might play out to be actually something.

But there's really no such thing as a "winning" edit i have to agree with puddin. But you just can't help but to feel suspicious about it. Besides this time round, Bricka has a "karma" and "underdog" edit going on there.. very fishy. :funny:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Ray! on November 23, 2009, 06:16:32 AM
^^I myself do NOT believe in Karma. I mean, hello, four of the teams that Yielded + one of the teams that U-Turned went on to win. :funny: Plus, production hides the bad stuff from us. Wasn't there supposedly an unaired screaming match between Uchenna & Joyce on the Peru bus? I can possibly list down negative moments for each winner, hence me not rooting for the "nice" teams for being "nice".

ETA: That being said, if Brian & Ericka win, it will be bad karma for me not being able to watch the last few episodes & relying on forums/Wiki/the site to fill me in. :funny:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Jobby on November 23, 2009, 08:11:16 AM
^^I myself do NOT believe in Karma. I mean, hello, four of the teams that Yielded + one of the teams that U-Turned went on to win. :funny: Plus, production hides the bad stuff from us. Wasn't there supposedly an unaired screaming match between Uchenna & Joyce on the Peru bus? I can possibly list down negative moments for each winner, hence me not rooting for the "nice" teams for being "nice".

ETA: That being said, if Brian & Ericka win, it will be bad karma for me not being able to watch the last few episodes & relying on forums/Wiki/the site to fill me in. :funny:

It depends you see Raymond. If the team that U-TURNed or Yielded another team helps us get rid of an extremely or does it to a team everyone hates, how's that bad karma? :funny: I know it doesn't make sense.. but i LOVED it when Colin and Christie and Weavers were Yielded and although i hated Kisha and Jen being U-TURNed, the fact that they were also trying to U-TURN Tammy and Victor cancels out the bad karma? Make sense.. No? :funny:

The fact that the unair screamfest between Uchenna and Joyce just shows how much editors do NOT want to give their winners a bad edit. Isn't that exactly what Brian and Ericka are getting now.. a good edit that shows the team in a good light, minus the occasional little bickering between themselves?
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Ray! on November 23, 2009, 08:23:38 AM
^^I myself do NOT believe in Karma. I mean, hello, four of the teams that Yielded + one of the teams that U-Turned went on to win. :funny: Plus, production hides the bad stuff from us. Wasn't there supposedly an unaired screaming match between Uchenna & Joyce on the Peru bus? I can possibly list down negative moments for each winner, hence me not rooting for the "nice" teams for being "nice".

ETA: That being said, if Brian & Ericka win, it will be bad karma for me not being able to watch the last few episodes & relying on forums/Wiki/the site to fill me in. :funny:

It depends you see Raymond. If the team that U-TURNed or Yielded another team helps us get rid of an extremely or does it to a team everyone hates, how's that bad karma? :funny: I know it doesn't make sense.. but i LOVED it when Colin and Christie and Weavers were Yielded and although i hated Kisha and Jen being U-TURNed, the fact that they were also trying to U-TURN Tammy and Victor cancels out the bad karma? Make sense.. No? :funny:

The fact that the unair screamfest between Uchenna and Joyce just shows how much editors do NOT want to give their winners a bad edit. Isn't that exactly what Brian and Ericka are getting now.. a good edit that shows the team in a good light, minus the occasional little bickering between themselves?


I get the canceling karma thing. But some of the Yields weren't like, "we yield you or vice-versa" (though all the others wanted to get rid of them - I'm still pissed off the Yield wasn't used on half the other teams that season while the fun ones were Yielded - BJ/Tyler yielding MoJo for example :funny:), so there is still some karma in the sense that it was used on someone who didn't plan to use it.

As for Brian & Ericka, yup, it is. Hence, a 'good edit'. I think I may have misstated what I really meant in my previous post about edits & such. Too dense right now to type clearly. :funny: Doing Psychology homework. :funny:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Chateau d If on November 23, 2009, 09:49:49 PM
Slowhatch got the Sheraton right!   :tup:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 23, 2009, 10:00:59 PM
Who needs NCIS when we have the TAR Detectives  :jam:, seriously!
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Post by: Neobie on November 24, 2009, 01:34:17 PM
For Apskip to use on unsuspecting newbies.
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Post by: puddin on November 24, 2009, 05:01:55 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol: Happy Holidays Neobie  :kuss:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Neobie on November 24, 2009, 06:03:55 PM
Question: Did Brian and Ericka take the wrong bus into town?

I'm looking at the route between the airport and Dejvická Station, which is a 11km/7mil trip taking no longer than 15min. The interesting thing? I don't see a tunnel on the route. So...
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Slowhatch on November 24, 2009, 08:23:22 PM
It's an interesting question. First we see them at the city/centrum stop at Ruzyne. The usual connection (map here (http://www.prague-info.co.uk/metro-map2.jpg)) would be line 119 to Dejvicka (Line A), then only a few metro stops to Staromestska (Old Town). And in fact we see them following Tram 20 (map here (http://czech-transport.com/images/prague-tram-map.png)) a little later; so far, so good. But then they decide to get off next to Kavarna Arco (http://www.nelso.com/cz/place/3346/) (Kafka's hangout--viewpoint here (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Kavarna+arco,+prague&sll=33.759082,-84.303212&sspn=25.239165,56.381836&ie=UTF8&hq=Kavarna+arco,&hnear=Prague,+Czech+Republic&ll=50.08828,14.43104&spn=0,359.993032&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=50.08746,14.43253&panoid=EPRVJsQfXB1hDiVrzV-N8w&cbp=12,180.42,,0,7.63)), which means they overshot Old Town. Then we see them catch a cab a few blocks away in front of the Marriot (viewpoint here (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Marriot,+prague&sll=50.08828,14.43104&sspn=0.002402,0.006883&ie=UTF8&hq=Marriot,&hnear=Prague,+Czech+Republic&ll=50.088263,14.430885&spn=0,359.97247&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=50.08828,14.43104&panoid=MmSyY7XctJIdRdHvb48XdQ&cbp=12,34.96,,0,-1.83)). It would be nice to see their bus number/name but I can't get a clear frame of it.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Neobie on November 24, 2009, 08:44:52 PM
Got it. They missed their stop and got off at the Masarykovo Nadrazi Train Station instead. Tunnel's the Letensky Tunnel.

Shouldn't have been any traffic before that; Brian and Ericka could have proven the bus choice a wise one if they'd got off at the right stop!

TPTB failed to show us the determining factor of their loss this week.

http://czech-transport.com/index.php?id=357 (http://czech-transport.com/index.php?id=357)
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 25, 2009, 01:47:19 AM
Nice work Slowhatch and Neobie!  :jam:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: puddin on November 25, 2009, 02:05:59 AM
It would be nice to see their bus number/name but I can't get a clear frame of it.
Not exactly sure what I'm looking for Slowhatch  :-[ :lol:   :duno:
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Slowhatch on November 25, 2009, 02:34:31 AM
Neobie put it all together. It would have been nice to find a frame like this (http://www.flickr.com/photos/prague-transfers/3594492157/), but I didn't see anything this time.


There aren't many instances I can think of where it's better to take public transport:
That's off the top of my head, there are probably other examples. But....final 4? I'd stay away from public transport unless the time savings were locked in--guaranteed.

Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Neobie on November 25, 2009, 12:28:57 PM
Which is why teams should receive less cash, or receive less cash they're allowed to use for taxis.

Public transport always seems to work faster in Hong Kong though - is traffic that bad? In TAR 2 from the airport, in TAR:A across the harbour, in TAR:I to Causeway Bay... TAR 11 forced them to use taxis though, I'm sure the subway would've been faster either way!

(Veering off-topic here...)
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: georgiapeach on November 28, 2009, 12:54:16 AM
This is a present!! :hearts:


Guess who came back for B/E after all??   :yess:



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Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: mswood on November 28, 2009, 07:37:43 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Brian & Ericka won based on the edit, but I don't think Ericka has been portrayed nicely at all.  Brian I haven't seen anything really negative at all from, but her.  Lord, bitchy, demanding, controlling and weak are all things that they have shown about Ericka.  Hardly an edit not showing negative aspects from her.

In fact all four teams hhve had good and bad shown about them that could indicate a win.

As for someone pointing out that we didn't see Uchena & Joyce arguing in the first episode, well that might simply be due to the fact that Uchenna & Joyce really were non entities in that episode.  Neither the team's that were close to elimination nor the teams that were out front which are the teams that get the main focus of the openers.

I would actually be a little disappointed if Brian & Ericka win, simply on the fact that they really haven't raced well.

I know for many people thats not a factor on who they would like to see win, but for myself it is.

Its one of the reasons I didn't mind Eric & Danielle winning (because when you eliminate the plane factors that were outside their control) they actually ran a good race (well except for three legs, and one of those was too deliberately get the Guidos eliminated).  And had three episodes that they actually performed all the tasks faster then any of the other teams.

But I do like them so there is that.  In fact I would be happy with any of these four teams winning, and I think that is a first.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Belle Book on November 29, 2009, 09:44:44 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Brian & Ericka won based on the edit, but I don't think Ericka has been portrayed nicely at all.  Brian I haven't seen anything really negative at all from, but her.  Lord, bitchy, demanding, controlling and weak are all things that they have shown about Ericka.  Hardly an edit not showing negative aspects from her.

In fact all four teams hhve had good and bad shown about them that could indicate a win.

As for someone pointing out that we didn't see Uchena & Joyce arguing in the first episode, well that might simply be due to the fact that Uchenna & Joyce really were non entities in that episode.  Neither the team's that were close to elimination nor the teams that were out front which are the teams that get the main focus of the openers.

I would actually be a little disappointed if Brian & Ericka win, simply on the fact that they really haven't raced well.

I know for many people thats not a factor on who they would like to see win, but for myself it is.

Its one of the reasons I didn't mind Eric & Danielle winning (because when you eliminate the plane factors that were outside their control) they actually ran a good race (well except for three legs, and one of those was too deliberately get the Guidos eliminated).  And had three episodes that they actually performed all the tasks faster then any of the other teams.

But I do like them so there is that.  In fact I would be happy with any of these four teams winning, and I think that is a first.

The only team I really don't want to see win is Sam & Dan, and that's less because they seemed like potential alpha males when I first saw them than because they bicker so much!  Alpha males, bickering teams and villainous ones are my top three least-liked teams and I prefer alpha males to bickering and villainous teams, while I prefer villainous teams (as long as they work well together) to bickering ones.  So bickering teams are the one type of team I like least.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: mswood on November 29, 2009, 12:27:39 PM
Belle

For me its isn't just black and white.  It all depends (bickering wise) on how the teams really react to it.  If I feel that after the bickering teams are pissed off at each other or holding grudges then yeah I hate it, but if after the bickering the teams are fine with each other then it really doesn't bother me).

Two examples

Kevin & Drew and Charla & Mirna.

Kevin & Drew bitch and yell at each other all the time, yet they would soon afterwards be laughing at each other.  SO it looks like its just how they communicate but doesn't reflect a pissed off state at each other.

Then we have Charla & Mirna and I recall several episodes where they bickered and yelled at each other, and we see footage of them even at the Pit Stop still harping on the same issue and neither seems happy with each other.  I hated that.

In the specific case of Sam & Dan, after they bicker and yell at each other they don't seem mad at each other (one time Dan seemed mad at himself, when he was crying), but even right after the haybales they are goofing off with each other on the way to the Pit Stop.  That so far seems to have been their worst day, and when a team member immediately is showing concern for you, and apologizing (in a really heart felt way) it doesn't bother me.  It seems that they truly care for each other and its just how they talk to each other.

To me its always, see what emotion is there not just words or volumes.  At least when you are interacting with someone who really knows you.

You be rude to a local, I don't care what reason and I really am going to have a hard time liking you.

I was actually more bothered by Cheyne's casual dismissal of Meghan in the cab then the bickering between Sam & Dan.  Thankfully we haven't seen much of that.

We have had lots of bickering teams that seem unhappy throughout large parts of the race.  Those are the teams that bother me (on the bickering side).

Its why I like these teams a lot.  Even the teams the complain, bitch or harp seem (so far) to really care about their partner.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: Ruth on November 29, 2009, 01:40:43 PM
In my opinion, I feel that this season's kind of like TAR 13 in the sense.

Meghan and Cheyne are getting the Nick and Starr edit, very likeable at the beginning, then their nasty and scheming sides show later but if you noticed, they weren't portrayed in too villainous a way, such that while they lose some fans, they still remain largely likeable to many.

Brian and Ericka are getting the Ken and Tina edit, lots of bickerings through the race, but they were nice to other teams. Remember Tina always giving directions and helping other teams? They got a good edit towards the end but they still finished second, which I predict will be Brian and Ericka's ultimate placing. What's more, they haven't won a leg, and it hardly occus that teams who haven't won a leg will win eventually, besides Eric and Danielle.

Sam and Dan are perhaps getting the Andrew and Dan annoying edit, BUT the former's a million times better than the latter.

That's my take, I think Meghan and Cheyne win eventually. Which will be boring because for one, they've won SO MANY legs and for another, I don't really like them now and I really want Brian and Ericka to win. But well, my favourite team winning doesn't happen to me often, in fact it hardly happens, so I'll just prepare for a Meghan and Cheyne win and not get my hopes up. =(
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: mswood on November 29, 2009, 03:41:15 PM
Nick and Starr from the 2nd episode were shown as not to be trust worthy, it wasn't something that happened towards the end.  They were always shown as willing to do whatever needed to be done to win.

As for Meghan & Cheyne they have also shown to have their eyes on the prize, but their actions to date aren't what I would call bad, nor do we see anything (either on the show or clips) to show they being really nasty.

All four teams have shown either by words or deeds willingness to take advantage of others, betray the trust of others, or manipulate to get their way.

I don't see any team this season really getting a "bad" edit.

Things like taking others cabs, telling teams that they don't know where clues are, and telling locals to not help others are all very tame actions for what we can see from teams.

And so far that has been the primary "bad" actions by teams.
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: mswood on November 29, 2009, 03:50:27 PM
It's really funny outside of Lance & Keri (and even they treated each other with respect in their final and worst leg) I like this cast.  I don't think they are good racers (though not as bad as seasons 13 awful racers) for the most part), even Meghan & Cheyne don't seem that strong of racers (two of there wins had more to do with factors outside their control then what how they actually performed).
Title: Re: TAR15 EP10: "We’re Not Working With Anybody, Ever, Anymore!"
Post by: mswood on November 29, 2009, 04:01:00 PM
Oh and Belle and Ruth

Just in case I sound preachy.  I am just looking at the racers, in my views.  Everyone has likes and dislikes and favorites.  Yours are just as valid as mine.

I know for example that I like most of the alpha male teams (because for one I generally like teams that do well, and the 2nd they have usually like other racers, locals and other teams).  I tend to also like teams that seem to really like each other.  Whether its teams like Kris & Jon (who seemed like disney characters should have been following them) to those who are more expressive (like Sam & Dan who do seem to really care for each other or couples like Amanda & Chris (who cussed like a sailor, or Jon & Kelley who did fight and used crude humor a lot but I never felt they didn't deeply love each other).

The great thing about the race in general is that in each season (at least for me) is that there are always a few teams that appeal to the type of people I like.  Some make it one leg, some make it to the final.  Its one of he great strengths of this show (thank god).