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Title: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 04, 2009, 11:58:52 PM
04/19- Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)


Guilin, China (Nov 17-) 

TARA (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg361742.html#msg361742) brings us info from a China forum:

went to a local net-forum of TAR fans in china and someone posted saying TAR14 was visiting china. they saw Phil and the production crew. more than 40 people replied (that's a large number of population in the forum)
and more detailed information was post out
sorry, phil and Mr. Van Munster. I love your show so much, but people here just want to know more about it.
so here it is:
date: nov.18th
location: Guilin, Guangxi Province, China
a girl said her boyfriend helped the production, seemed like to be one of the local assistant.
she claimed that when her bf told her that, she instantly thought about TAR and could confirm that.
they lived in Sheraton and the pit top was Sun-Moon-Tower.
and a mountain named Di-Tsai was also visited.
They also have been to a steel factory.
It was also said teams had to go to a hair salon to wash their hair.
Phil was described very tall and handsome by her bf.
And for security reasons, all assistants have been asked to remain their position after everyone is on the plane, the left the same day.
so far, no photo evidence.
P.S some others said people see a lot of foreign people running in the subway in Shanghai days b4 that which the city was visited in season 6.




 Neobie follows up here: (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg367172.html#msg367172)

Called up the Sheraton in Guilin, and they've been nice enough to tell us that production started arriving in dribs and drabs on the 10th, and they all left on the 20th. Remembering Salvador's whiteboard, that means teams would most likely have taken flights out on the 20th as well. How does that fit in?
Also called up the Sheraton and Meridien in Shanghai, but they have no record of WRP Group. Any other ideas we could try, or should we rule Shanghai out?


Neobie: (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg367414.html#msg367414)
Got corroboration from various people that the Guilin leg took place on the 17th of November. Here are the various clues from the locals that help confirm the fact:
1. It was a Monday.
2. Production started serious work two days before, and on the third day (presumably the day the racers came by) it was drizzling.

With Phuket being filmed at least until the afternoon of the 15th, that would mean Phuket and Guilin are consecutive legs! Will discuss more in the timetables thread...

Nothing much to report at the South Gate, but just enough to confirm that teams were there. A girl in the Tourist Office (20m west of the gate) remembers seeing a team run past with a camera crew, eastwards towards the gate. A pair of tour guides told me they heard of filming on both sides of the twin bridges, just in front of the gates. Nobody at the gate, though, could tell me anything. There's a tea shop on top, but the manager there told me if there was any filming at or outside their shop, they would have been contacted. (Lie detector did not go off, I kind of believe her.)




*interrupting the starting line posts for a while*

If there is a perfect place for a Pit Stop in Guilin, TPTB found it!

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/Guilin/GuilinFoldedBrocadeMountains11.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/Guilin/GuilinFoldedBrocadeMountains17.jpg)

This is the Peak of the Luminous Moon in the Folded Brocade Mountains, overlooking the city of Guilin from the north, and Pit Stop in a race around the world! (Less poetic official translators call it Bright Moon Peak.)

Production closed the entire compound from 6pm on the 17th (the usual time vendors pack up and go home), and stayed ON the hilltop the entire night. There was a TPTB security team of six. (Geez, how much security do you need?) The peak's really just a courtyard with a little shelter, but the views here are marvelous. According to those who witnessed production, they have been hanging around for two days beforehand (since the 15th), and finally set up lights and a few tents for the big event, on the night of the 17th.

The people I talked to remembered rain that afternoon, when a few members of production popped by. The main activity, though, started at around 9pm. About 50-60 sandwiches were catered for the night, and a huge crowd started streaming in from 12am to 3am. It's such a huge group those I've talked to couldn't differentiate between crew and cast, but I guess those are our racers! (So late?)

Word of caution to the racers:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/Guilin/GuilinFoldedBrocadeMountains23.jpg)



(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17788.0;attach=111299;image)
Title: Re: TAR 14 EP8: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)'
Post by: puddin on April 04, 2009, 11:59:01 PM
 "Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death" (China)

*AND ONE RACER'S FRUSTRATION WITH FOREIGN LANGUAGES CONTINUES TO GROW
During the Detour, one Racer is frustrated when a dancing judge dosen’t understand their question.
.... One racer's frustration with non-English speakers grows

 *When birds attack! - A fishing cormorant draws blood

* A throwdown at a Cluebox leads to a mat showdown
...and two Teams battle each other throughout the leg, leading to a full-blown mat meltdown
...and check out the most explosive pit stop - EVER!


we see the clue box at the barber shop with The Brothers "speedbump" plaque and Jen & Luke fighting it out.
Thanks again to TARA "It was also said teams had to go to a hair salon to wash their hair"


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0019.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0019.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0023.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0023.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0008-3.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0008-3.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0011-2.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0011-2.jpg)



more shoving
I got it! After I ask the people who live in Guilin, he said one of the clue box was at the entrance of the Guilin Li Rver Folk Customs Centre, Here is the picture.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_glrfcc.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/glrfcc.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0040.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0040.jpg)  (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0041.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0041.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0045.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0045.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0001-1.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0001-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0002-1.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0002-1.jpg)


Detours

*AND ONE RACER'S FRUSTRATION WITH FOREIGN LANGUAGES CONTINUES TO GROW
During the Detour, one Racer is frustrated when a dancing judge doesn’t understand their question.
.... One racer's frustration with non-English speakers grows 
dancing:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0002-2.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0002-2.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0004-2.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0004-2.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0005-2.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0005-2.jpg) Jamie & Cara


 Unknown if this is the Roadblock or Detour? 
 *When birds attack! - A fishing cormorant draws blood

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0008-4.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0008-4.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0012-1.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0012-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0013-1.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0013-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0017-1.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0017-1.jpg) Luke

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0014-2.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0014-2.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0015-2.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0015-2.jpg) The Sisters on a boat




(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0057.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0057.jpg) Kishas dirty hand might be mining/coal related thanks to kaad and thanks to TARA for bringing us info from the China forum " They also have been to a steel factory"





and now for the hyped up pitstop.........and some teams holding note books of some sort
The Peak of the Luminous Moon in the Folded Brocade Mountains


 * A throwdown at a Cluebox leads to a mat showdown
...and two Teams battle each other throughout the leg, leading to a full-blown mat meltdown
...and check out the most explosive pit stop - EVER!

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0004-1.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0004-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0005-1.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0005-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0009-2.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0009-2.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0053.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0053.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0057.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0057.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0059.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0059.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0063.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0063.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0069.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0069.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_rff-0071.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0071.jpg)

thanks to Neobie:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_index.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/index.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/th_index2.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/index2.jpg) Map and whos on first? Phils blog tells us that The Sisters and Luke/Marge arrive in mere seconds of each other.

Whos toast? Well given Mark & Michaels penalty on the prior leg and their late night sighting NOT in Guilin then it would seem to me that they are indeed eliminated. And thanks to Bonnie Hunt we know this is NOT a NEL.
Title: Re: TAR 14 EP8: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)'
Post by: Ray! on April 05, 2009, 12:13:26 AM
saved and .........

I'll say it first, the title has to be Tammy & Victor or Mark & Michael but I'll pick Tammy & Victor

Well, Kisha & Jen could've said this too, unless the Bangkok leg is an elim & they're next.
Title: Re: TAR 14 EP8: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)'
Post by: Kiwi Jay on April 05, 2009, 12:58:47 AM
Jen 'n' Kisha or Tammy 'n' Vic. Mark 'n' Mike too but lower on the totem pole!
Title: Re: TAR 14 EP8: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)'
Post by: Ashe on April 05, 2009, 04:34:09 AM
I think you've got the wrong episode number, puddin.
Title: Re: TAR 14 EP8: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)'
Post by: Moo on April 05, 2009, 07:55:14 AM
Could it be Tammy/Victor?
Title: Re: TAR 14 EP8: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)'
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 05, 2009, 08:54:59 AM
I think it's Tammy & Victor. But don't forget, anything too obvious is most likely not true. You never know though.
Title: Re: TAR 14 EP8: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)'
Post by: Snooky on April 05, 2009, 08:59:42 AM
I think it's Tammy & Victor. But don't forget, anything too obvious is most likely not true. You never know though.

I can think of them and Kisha and Jen saying it.  I really doubt that Mark and Michael will.  It is probably Tammy and Victor.
Title: Re: TAR 14 EP8: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)'
Post by: Dragoondaniel on April 05, 2009, 10:33:27 AM
I can definitely see T/V saying it after they fumble at one of the Chinese-related tasks in China, since they supposedly have Chinese heritage.  :funny: :lol:
Title: Re: TAR 14 EP8: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)'
Post by: Belle Book on April 05, 2009, 10:46:58 AM
Whichever team says the opening title, that team usually is still in the Race.  If it's LaKisha & Jen, they're still in.  If it's Mark & Michael (unlikely but possible), they're still in.  If it's Tammy & Victor, they're still in.  I think it's Tammy & Victor and they make it to Beijing.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 05, 2009, 12:49:54 PM
I can definitely see T/V saying it after they fumble at one of the Chinese-related tasks in China, since they supposedly have Chinese heritage.  :funny: :lol:
Thats what I was thinking Dragoon! plus I think it could be any of the 3 remaining related teams as well cuz Bangkok should be a NEL but still I'll take Tammy & Vic for the title.

I think you've got the wrong episode number, puddin.
Fixed!  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Hooky on April 05, 2009, 01:39:58 PM
I'm going to call it a Tammy & Victor quote. It just sounds like something they would say.

Is Guilin the place with those cool hills over the lake? If so, this episode will give us more beautiful scenery!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: apskip on April 05, 2009, 01:44:26 PM
Karst formations have unusual shapes for rock. They can be the backdrop for lakes (of which there are few in that region) or rivers (of which there are many) in photos.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 05, 2009, 05:00:22 PM
I think it's Tammy & Victor because they mess up at a task or something in China, their homeland.  Though it could also be Kisha & Jen, assuming they make it through Bangkok.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: eragon on April 05, 2009, 11:48:03 PM
I'm gonna say it's Tammy & Victor. Maybe Tammy said this while Victor is doing the Roadblock (which is possibly a Chinese-related task).
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 06, 2009, 01:09:56 AM
I'm going to think that T/V actually said this line because they were the only team ever to include their parents in their conversation in the cameras during the previous legs... But for all we know, it might be J/C or K/J also...

But this goes in general... I wonder what happened to them and why would their "parents cry themselves to death"...  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 06, 2009, 01:15:36 AM
I'm gonna say it's Tammy & Victor. Maybe Tammy said this while Victor is doing the Roadblock (which is possibly a Chinese-related task).

If there is indeed a Chinese related task that T/V would be challenged, I wonder even more about the other teams... I already could imagine Jaime going nuts over Chinese characters - especially it is even harder because it is very hard to convert to english, Luke being tortured like the word "CHEKHOV" and the others having trouble as well...

If T/V says this quote, at least we have a cultural challenge this leg!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 06, 2009, 01:39:18 AM
If T/V says this quote, at least we have a cultural challenge this leg!

Unless their parents are crying because TPTB slaughters 5000 years of Chinese culture... :groan:



Alright, some additional information on the locations (tourist map here (http://www.chinahighlights.com/image/guilin/map/guilin-tourist-map2.jpg)):

Sheraton Hotel (No 25 on map)
Production base. Hotel staff all know of production, but secretive crew kept them out of the loop.

Peak of the Luminous Moon (Mingyue Feng, north end of Binjiang Road)
Pit Stop. One of the four peaks in the Folded Brocade Mountain (Diecai Shan) range. Production started at dusk on the 17th, and lasted until the following morning. One souvenir vendor was engaged to provide 50-60 sandwiches for the night, and she opened the gate for racers coming in, which took until about 3am. She couldn't tell racers from crew.

The cave mentioned in the blog Joab found is halfway down from the peak. Racers must pass through the cave to make it up to the top, where Phil stood waiting. And waiting. And waiting...

South City Gate (Gunammen, No 10 on map)
The girl working at the Guilin Tourist Information Center saw the team running by during office hours (between 8.30am and 10.00pm). Tough luck, Mark and Michael!

Sun and Moon Towers, and the Soulmate Pier (Riyue Shuangta and Zhiyin Tai, No 13 on map)
The clue was on Soulmate Pier, which faces the towers in the middle of the lake. There is a ticketing booth for tourist boats on the pier, and the guy manning the booth was probably lying when he said he didn't know anything. Teams not likely to have entered the towers though.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Slowhatch on April 06, 2009, 02:02:59 AM
A couple of panos here (http://www.360cities.net/search#type=image&what=guilin) include the Diecai massif, but I'm not sure if it's the place we're looking for.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 06, 2009, 02:20:24 PM
South City Gate (Gunammen, No 10 on map)
The girl working at the Guilin Tourist Information Center saw the team running by during office hours (between 8.30am and 10.00pm). Tough luck, Mark and Michael!
So Mark & Michael were the team seen?  Or they weren't?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 06, 2009, 02:44:50 PM
South City Gate (Gunammen, No 10 on map)
The girl working at the Guilin Tourist Information Center saw the team running by during office hours (between 8.30am and 10.00pm). Tough luck, Mark and Michael!
So Mark & Michael were the team seen?  Or they weren't?

I'm not sure I know about this either Neobie? Or did I and now have forgotten?? :funny:

In any case, can you tell us more??
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 06, 2009, 04:47:37 PM


Heres the Guangzhou China (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg372354.html#msg372354) airport sighting on November 17th at 11pm :)


Quote
We were in the Guangzhou China airport November 17th around 11pm and saw a team of two caucasian men wearing backpacks running through the airport with a cameraman and producer in tow. They were in the baggage claim area and were in a hurry to find something and stopped at hte information desk to ask directions. The cameraman was working to capture every move. The men were both short and appeared to be related. One had a fanny pack that was visible with red/yellow/back horizontal stripes on it. We went up to them and said "Are you with the Amazing Race?". They said "No", but we are waiting for cast pictures to see if they were telling the truth or not.

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They were both rarther short (5 ft 5 or less my guess) with brownish red hair. They looked like they were related. I think at least one of them wore glasses. They were "thick" build but not fat. They were wearing shorts and tshirts and both had on back packs. They were very much in a hurry and looked stressed. There was a camera man that was filming their every move and a person carrying a microphone that was stuck in front of their faces as well. Hope that helps
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It very well could have been Mark and Michael.
 
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 06, 2009, 05:13:03 PM
Sounds very much like Mark & Michael.  Though they're actually Latino, not Caucasian.

Now, is this the F5 or the F4?  Are they ahead, or way, way behind?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Snooky on April 06, 2009, 05:40:39 PM
Sounds very much like Mark & Michael.  Though they're actually Latino, not Caucasian.

Now, is this the F5 or the F4?  Are they ahead, or way, way behind?

I assume that it is final 5 because leg 8 is most likely a NEL.
Guangzhou is closer to Guilin then Beijing.
And Mark and Michael do look caucasian in my mind, even if they aren't.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: SingularStars on April 06, 2009, 05:42:44 PM
Having three legs/episodes in China will be amazing! Especially two of them being in Beijing because I just came home from spending my Spring Break in China! I really want to see if they will visit any of the places that I went to.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 06, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
Sounds very much like Mark & Michael.  Though they're actually Latino, not Caucasian.

Now, is this the F5 or the F4?  Are they ahead, or way, way behind?

I assume that it is final 5 because leg 8 is most likely a NEL.
Guangzhou is closer to Guilin then Beijing.
And Mark and Michael do look caucasian in my mind, even if they aren't.

Last time I looked, Spanish/Latin heritage is Caucasian.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 06, 2009, 09:02:20 PM


Heres the Guangzhou China (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg372354.html#msg372354) airport sighting on November 17th at 11pm :)




I of course know this one, but what about that visitor center?? Did she identify the guys or are we just assuming it based on the times?? ???
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 06, 2009, 09:22:11 PM
Alright, I think I need to clarify a little bit. :lol:

The girl was working at the visitor's centre when she saw a film crew run by, but she can't remember the team nor the time of day. We know, however, that the centre closes at 10pm, and that the earliest Guangzhou flight (there are four) arrives at 9.30pm. That team she saw wasn't Mark/Michael.

This also means that a team made it to Guilin before all four Guangzhou flights, the last one being a Hong Kong connection arriving at 8.50pm. With Mark/Michael's sighting suggesting they took the last flight (2305-2355) from Guangzhou to Guilin, they are at least three hours behind.

Sorry, Mark and Michael.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 06, 2009, 09:56:22 PM
Oh thanks Neobie!! Now I see...

We knew M&M were way behind based on the flights, but really not looking good for the guys, I guess...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 07, 2009, 01:33:31 AM
Of course, that's gotta mean a nighttime bunch-up point, right?  Unless the teams were definitely spotted doing tasks way late at night, there's still hope for them.

Not that I want there to be.  I don't hate them, but I'm probably the only one here who'd really prefer they be the fifth-place-finishers, assuming Bangkok brings us an NEL.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DavidJunior on April 07, 2009, 09:59:25 AM
I'm right there with you Ashe
They're pretty much the only team that I wouldn't be too upset if they got eliminated next.

I don't think there is a late night bunching point if the Peak of the Luminous Moon is our pitstop

it stayed open until 3am which is enough time for M/M to arrive from guangzhou (i believe they were sighted in guangzhou around 11pm) and complete the tasks and check in  (hopefully in last...)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Jobby on April 09, 2009, 09:08:24 PM
Neobie, if Mark and Michael really gets eliminated this leg, you seriously just made my day and week and probably months. (At least they are the only team remaining that i DO NOT want to see winning) :knuckles:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 09, 2009, 10:35:38 PM
I think we're getting ahead of ourselves here! Our calculations only suggest that Mark and Michael were at least three hours behind a team, not three hours behind everyone else.

That said, if TPTB designed the leg to be run at a saner hour than 12-3am that the brothers probably did, it's likely more teams made it into Guilin before them.

We'd know more when we see the time gaps on arrival in Phayathai Palace...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 09, 2009, 11:05:59 PM
Why o why must TPTB produce a leg in Guilin in the late evening? We could not see the landscapes then... totally opposite with HK/Macau where the night is young, and they produce day legs there.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: apskip on April 10, 2009, 06:40:44 AM
I think we're getting ahead of ourselves here! Our calculations only suggest that Mark and Michael were at least three hours behind a team, not three hours behind everyone else.

That said, if TPTB designed the leg to be run at a saner hour than 12-3am that the brothers probably did, it's likely more teams made it into Guilin before them.

We'd know more when we see the time gaps on arrival in Phayathai Palace...

Neobie,
Why do you think the 3 hour gap is in Bangkok? I don't agree. It's in arrival to Guilin the following leg and determined by flight
. The gap in Bangkok could be anything, including 1 minute behind the much faster Kisha and Jennifer.

EDITOR'S NOTE - Neobie was right, explained by the 4 hour penalty at the Bangkok pit stop less adjustment for relative flight times from Bangkok to Guilin of one hour.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 12, 2009, 07:51:31 PM
Sorry guys! Forget what I said about the Folded Brocade Mountains. (I'm utterly confused.)

This (platform in the foreground) is the Pit Stop.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 12, 2009, 07:57:29 PM
What I'm more excited of is what would happen to the teams in this episode!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Cocoa on April 12, 2009, 08:05:57 PM
shush!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 12, 2009, 08:41:40 PM
Our sighting looks good! Mark and Michael with a 4 hour penalty with the undone time added to their departure time!

oh and the mat meltdown! Luke vs the Sisters!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: eragon on April 12, 2009, 08:43:07 PM
Our sighting looks good! Mark and Michael with a 4 hour penalty with the undone time added to their departure time!

puddin, do you already have the screencaps??
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 12, 2009, 08:44:40 PM
Mark and Michael in the wrong city at 11pm? With teams 1, 3 and 4 checking in in daylight?

Odds? Anyone? *yawn* *foregone conclusion*



I can't find the riverside park searching in Chinese. Someone might have to do the dirty work and plod around town on Street View...

What the heck is going on at the Folded Brocade Mtns until 3am then? We know production was there (from sightings and from production blog), and the site was locked down from only 6pm onwards... What task could take place there?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 12, 2009, 08:50:19 PM
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Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 12, 2009, 08:51:38 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0026.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0027.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0028.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0029.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0030.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0031.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0032.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0033.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0034.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0035.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 12, 2009, 08:52:42 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0036.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0037.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0038.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0039.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 12, 2009, 08:54:30 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0040.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0041.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0042.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0043.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0044.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0045.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0046.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0047.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0048.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0049.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0050.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0051.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0052.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 12, 2009, 08:55:33 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0053.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0054.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0055.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0056.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0057.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0058.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0059.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 12, 2009, 08:56:03 PM
Luke has got to know you don't fight with women. Hot tempered guy!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: NoluckBoston on April 12, 2009, 08:56:19 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0027.jpg)

Speed Bump
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 12, 2009, 08:56:33 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0060.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0061.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0062.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0063.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0064.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0065.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0066.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0067.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0069.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0070.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0071.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0072.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 12, 2009, 08:57:04 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0027.jpg)

Yeald Tammy and victor
speed bump Michael and Mark
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: eragon on April 12, 2009, 08:57:57 PM
thanks puddin!   ;D
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 12, 2009, 08:58:55 PM
Efficient as ever, Puddin! :kuss:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0026.jpg)

盛盛发廊 on the top left - we have our hair salon! (Can't find it on Google.)
Translates to Shengsheng Hair Salon.

Erm. Speed Bump with Mark and Michael washing hair? Strange.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: hakushu8 on April 12, 2009, 08:59:54 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0071.jpg)

Such a queen move.  :funny:

BTW, I think this means Margie/Luke get fourth again.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: eragon on April 12, 2009, 09:04:00 PM
Margie/Luke, Tammy/Victor, Kisha/Jen arrived at the pitstop almost at the same time... so we can assume that they're teams number 2,3 & 4. Cara/Jaime were in 1st place while Mark/Michael arrived last and were eliminated.

Just a Speculation...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Kiwi Jay on April 12, 2009, 09:04:44 PM
how do you know?

Jaime and Cara could be 4th and those 3 are the top 3?!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 12, 2009, 09:06:50 PM
what are the boards for? learn Chinese?

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 12, 2009, 09:08:33 PM
Chinese could help you on this race, Puddin!

Just check out the Chinese Chekhov notepad Jen is holding.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0063.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: :jerry: on April 12, 2009, 09:14:49 PM
(http://rff-0026)

notice how the cluebox is located somewhere unnoticeable??

on the left is a hair salon, and on the right is a disgusting*no offence* little restaurant, and on the very right is a cell phone repairs...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: :jerry: on April 12, 2009, 09:16:01 PM
(http://rff-0026)

notice how the cluebox is located somewhere unnoticeable??

on the left is a hair salon, and on the right is a disgusting*no offence* little restaurant, and on the very right is a cell phone repairs...

maybe it has something to do with the gold foil wraped around the tree??
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 12, 2009, 09:49:41 PM
Well, either these three teams are the top three finishers for this leg, or they're all behind Jaime & Cara.  I'm pretty sure none of the four aforementioned teams will be last, though, due to the huge gap of time between all of them and Mark & Michael.

In other words, I think the brothers are as toast as the hot, buttered variety.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 12, 2009, 09:51:04 PM
Video

 << HD toggle when the video fully renders
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 12, 2009, 10:33:35 PM
Just to let you know, there will be no more sports overruns for the rest of the season. We're finished with NCAA basketball, The Masters is done. CBS does have golf tournaments for the next few weeks, but since they do not have the ratings power that the NCAA or The Masters have, they will get cut off should they approach 7 p.m. ET.

CBS' entire primetime lineup will begin on time starting with 60 Minutes next week.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: kaad on April 12, 2009, 11:27:40 PM
Efficient as ever, Puddin! :kuss:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0026.jpg)

盛盛发廊 on the top left - we have our hair salon! (Can't find it on Google.)
Translates to Shengsheng Hair Salon.

Erm. Speed Bump with Mark and Michael washing hair? Strange.

Or is that "盈盈发廊"? Yingying Hair Salon
Because we can't see the whole word... it seems to be 盈 or 盛
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 12, 2009, 11:32:07 PM
Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)
When birds attack! - A fishing cormorant draws blood. A throwdown at a Cluebox leads to a mat showdown. One racer's frustration with non-English speakers grows and check out the most explosive pit stop - EVER!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: eragon on April 12, 2009, 11:35:10 PM
Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)
When birds attack! - A fishing cormorant draws blood. A throwdown at a Cluebox leads to a mat showdown. One racer's frustration with non-English speakers grows and check out the most explosive pit stop - EVER!

"A throwdown at a Cluebox leads to a mat showdown." - Luke & Jen

"One racer's frustration with non-English speakers grows and check out the most explosive pit stop - EVER!" - could be Jaime??
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 12, 2009, 11:37:16 PM
Efficient as ever, Puddin! :kuss:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0026.jpg)

盛盛发廊 on the top left - we have our hair salon! (Can't find it on Google.)
Translates to Shengsheng Hair Salon.

Erm. Speed Bump with Mark and Michael washing hair? Strange.

Or is that "盈盈发廊"? Yingying Hair Salon
Because we can't see the whole word... it seems to be 盈 or 盛

I'll try to get it all kaad and Neobie but the darn flags!

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: kaad on April 12, 2009, 11:40:11 PM
Guilin is not a commercial city...just a small tourist province...so taxi driver/people there don't know how to speak in English is quite normal :groan:

for more information:
I saw 安徽面馆(Anhui noodles house), which is next to the salon,
Anhui is another province that near Shanghai...
I think it's just a noodles house with the cuisine of Auhui.  :lol:  
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 12, 2009, 11:45:25 PM
heres (http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=503584806) the original text and topic kaad ..it does not translate well for me but I get the gist of it

他们真的是来桂林了的`````````` 
 我男朋友协助他们的.......开始他不知道..后来他和我说就知道是急速```因为我常看..是住喜来登 ` ` 主持人在日月双塔那等选手  去了叠彩山..还有个钢厂...当天晚上飞了...好象为了保密所有工作人员要等他门上飞机才能离开岗位..好像还到一个理发店克洗头  ..我觉得是克那拿线索...还有我男友讲那主持人真人好高 好帅......知道的就这么多...反正真的假的以后那集出了大家就知道了`  ` 因为大家都喜欢急速前进嘛
 
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: kaad on April 12, 2009, 11:49:27 PM
heres (http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=503584806) the original text and topic kaad ..it does not translate well for me but I get the gist of it

他们真的是来桂林了的`````````` 
 我男朋友协助他们的.......开始他不知道..后来他和我说就知道是急速```因为我常看..是住喜来登 ` ` 主持人在日月双塔那等选手  去了叠彩山..还有个钢厂...当天晚上飞了...好象为了保密所有工作人员要等他门上飞机才能离开岗位..好像还到一个理发店克洗头  ..我觉得是克那拿线索...还有我男友讲那主持人真人好高 好帅......知道的就这么多...反正真的假的以后那集出了大家就知道了`  ` 因为大家都喜欢急速前进嘛
 


Now we can see-
日月双塔- Pit stop(as we all know)
叠彩山 - unknown (maybe the detour?)
钢厂 - RB? (you can see Kisha's hand at the pit-stop...she did the coal task)
理发店洗头 - I think it's Speedbump (The others are getting clue there,while Mark&Mick need to do the head-washing task)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 12, 2009, 11:50:53 PM
heres (http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=503584806) the original text and topic kaad ..it does not translate well for me but I get the gist of it

他们真的是来桂林了的`````````` 
 我男朋友协助他们的.......开始他不知道..后来他和我说就知道是急速```因为我常看..是住喜来登 ` ` 主持人在日月双塔那等选手  去了叠彩山..还有个钢厂...当天晚上飞了...好象为了保密所有工作人员要等他门上飞机才能离开岗位..好像还到一个理发店克洗头  ..我觉得是克那拿线索...还有我男友讲那主持人真人好高 好帅......知道的就这么多...反正真的假的以后那集出了大家就知道了`  ` 因为大家都喜欢急速前进嘛
 


Now we can see-
日月双塔- Pit stop(as we all know)
叠彩山 - unknown (maybe the detour?)
钢厂 - RB? (you can see Kisha's hand at the pit-stop...she did the coal task)
理发店洗头 - I think it's Speedbump (The others are getting clue there,while Mark&Mick need to do the head-washing task)
Yes her hands are filthy!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 12, 2009, 11:59:17 PM
Quote
他们真的是来桂林了的`````````` 
 我男朋友协助他们的.......开始他不知道..后来他和我说就知道是急速```因为我常看..是住喜来登 ` ` 主持人在日月双塔那等选手  去了叠彩山..还有个钢厂...当天晚上飞了...好象为了保密所有工作人员要等他门上飞机才能离开岗位..好像还到一个理发店克洗头  ..我觉得是克那拿线索...还有我男友讲那主持人真人好高 好帅......知道的就这么多...反正真的假的以后那集出了大家就知道了`  ` 因为大家都喜欢急速前进嘛

Quote
They did come to Guilin...

My boyfriend worked as an assistant, and didn't know that it was TAR until I told him afterwards - I watch it all the time.

They stayed at the Sheraton, and the host was waiting for the contestants at the Sun Moon Towers. They also went to the Diecai (Folded Brocade) Mountains and a steel factory.

They flew off that night, but the crew had to wait for everyone to get on the plane before they could leave their posts, probably for privacy.

I think they went to a salon to wash hair - but maybe it was just to get a clue. My boyfriend says that the host was tall and handsome.

That's all I know, you'd all find out for sure when the episode airs! 'Cause we all love TAR!

They flew off that night? Probably just Phil then? If they're flying to Beijing we should be expecting a 36-hour Pit Stop.

So for tasks we have the hair salon, comorants (riverside where Jen and Luke are fighting - and YAY!), something to do with the notebook and something to get LaKisha's hands dirty. We also have our Pit Stop, the Old South Gate, a steel factory and the very bizzare Folded Brocade Mountains.

That's a lot to fit in!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 13, 2009, 12:01:36 AM
I remember the fishing cormorant from Survivor China reward and it was amazing!  :hearts:

Scenes from the City of Guilin

Cormorant Fishing

A traditional mode of fishing in China involves the use of cormorants to catch fish. Fishermen on bamboo rafts use strong lights suspended over the water to attract the fish. The cormorants, which are tethered with rings round the base of their necks, catch the fish and then disgorge them for the fishermen (When their work is done the rings are removed so they can eat. These shows are regular features of the high season, or they can be arranged, along with riverboats for an evening's entertainment afloat. The boats are flat, narrow rafts consisting of five or six large, round bamboo trunks tied together and upturned at the stern. The fisherman stands on the raft, using a pole to propel the boat. His cormorants perch on his outstretched arms, diving on his command. One good cormorant can feed an entire family.

 
http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Tourism/Guilin-fishing.html
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 13, 2009, 12:28:50 AM
This is what I am seeing...anybody want to help? ???

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 13, 2009, 12:31:00 AM
Let's see.  Do Mark & Michael still get far behind everyone, or do they catch back up and someone else gets the boot?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: kaad on April 13, 2009, 12:45:11 AM
This is what I am seeing...anybody want to help? ???



those are Chinese words , Peach
Have you install something in order to read chinese characters in your windows?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 13, 2009, 12:55:54 AM
here peach
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 13, 2009, 01:04:35 AM
This is what I am seeing...anybody want to help? ???



those are Chinese words , Peach
Have you install something in order to read chinese characters in your windows?

No, but a translation instead of little boxes would be lovely, thanks! :hugs:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: :jerry: on April 13, 2009, 01:05:46 AM
lol :funny: :funny: :funny:

that chinese girl called Phil handsome...lol

btw i understand mandrian, so if anybody want me to traslate it PROPERLY pls tell me, and ill do it!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 13, 2009, 01:05:53 AM
You mean like this peach? :angel: << sorry  :lol:

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他们真的是来桂林了的`````````` 
 我男朋友协助他们的.......开始他不知道..后来他和我说就知道是急速```因为我常看..是住喜来登 ` ` 主持人在日月双塔那等选手  去了叠彩山..还有个钢厂...当天晚上飞了...好象为了保密所有工作人员要等他门上飞机才能离开岗位..好像还到一个理发店克洗头  ..我觉得是克那拿线索...还有我男友讲那主持人真人好高 好帅......知道的就这么多...反正真的假的以后那集出了大家就知道了`  ` 因为大家都喜欢急速前进嘛

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They did come to Guilin...

My boyfriend worked as an assistant, and didn't know that it was TAR until I told him afterwards - I watch it all the time.

They stayed at the Sheraton, and the host was waiting for the contestants at the Sun Moon Towers. They also went to the Diecai (Folded Brocade) Mountains and a steel factory.

They flew off that night, but the crew had to wait for everyone to get on the plane before they could leave their posts, probably for privacy.

I think they went to a salon to wash hair - but maybe it was just to get a clue. My boyfriend says that the host was tall and handsome.

That's all I know, you'd all find out for sure when the episode airs! 'Cause we all love TAR!

They flew off that night? Probably just Phil then? If they're flying to Beijing we should be expecting a 36-hour Pit Stop.

So for tasks we have the hair salon, comorants (riverside where Jen and Luke are fighting - and YAY!), something to do with the notebook and something to get LaKisha's hands dirty. We also have our Pit Stop, the Old South Gate, a steel factory and the very bizzare Folded Brocade Mountains.

That's a lot to fit in!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 13, 2009, 01:09:25 AM
Ooops! That's the actual translation?? :groan:

I better go eat my jelly beans and shut up, :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: :jerry: on April 13, 2009, 01:11:33 AM
i checked the link to it, and the real thing was in a chinese amatuer forum about TAR(NO OFFENCE).
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 13, 2009, 01:13:49 AM
i checked the link to it, and the real thing was in a chinese amatuer forum about TAR(NO OFFENCE).

They are a riot! I check that forum often and they are fans just like us  :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: :jerry: on April 13, 2009, 01:17:04 AM
AGREED with puddin

btw, i got this (http://)

on the left is about ticket selling or something... so .... if u can use it to locate the presice location of the pitstop. Neobie, im talking about u...

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: :jerry: on April 13, 2009, 01:18:20 AM
erhhhh, how do u add pics?? i tried so much times and it wouldnt work...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: eragon on April 13, 2009, 01:19:04 AM
Let's see.  Do Mark & Michael still get far behind everyone, or do they catch back up and someone else gets the boot?

we need more videos for the next episode...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 13, 2009, 01:25:22 AM
AGREED with puddin

btw, i got this (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/Smileys/classic/a020.gif)

on the left is about ticket selling or something... so .... if u can use it to locate the presice location of the pitstop. Neobie, im talking about u...


  No idea what picture your trying to post but quote this and see how its done

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: :jerry: on April 13, 2009, 01:28:19 AM
AGREED with puddin

btw, i got this (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/Smileys/classic/a020.gif)

on the left is about ticket selling or something... so .... if u can use it to locate the presice location of the pitstop. Neobie, im talking about u...


  No idea what picture your trying to post but quote this and see how its done



oh...i get it... thx,i was talking about the part when luke made the bitch move. on the left, there was some chinese characters


Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 13, 2009, 01:31:45 AM
erhhhh, how do u add pics?? i tried so much times and it wouldnt work...

Using attachments:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12375.0.html


By embedding:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12374.msg191066.html#msg191066
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 13, 2009, 02:06:56 AM
Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)
When birds attack! - A fishing cormorant draws blood. A throwdown at a Cluebox leads to a mat showdown. One racer's frustration with non-English speakers grows and check out the most explosive pit stop - EVER!

"A throwdown at a Cluebox leads to a mat showdown." - Luke & Jen

"One racer's frustration with non-English speakers grows and check out the most explosive pit stop - EVER!" - could be Jaime??


ZOMG. MAT SHOWDOWN/MELTDOWN LOVE! I originally thought India would bring out the "best" in the teams, but I guess its China this time around! I loved to see her meltdown because of people not knowing English.

SPECULATION: T/V get first, Followed by M/L and K/J. Notice how T/V are in the middle... Lawyers anyone? J/C fall fourth. Pitstop closes and M/M comes dead last. But the previous episode showed me how much I love every single cast team!

Do we get to see Mirna as a pitstop greeter? I really remembered her when Luke and Jen were fighting...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DavidJunior on April 13, 2009, 02:27:33 AM
i think it's K/J and M/L racing for first this time
if you notice, T/V are behind both teams (however, this could just be because Phil wanted to address the other two about the fighting)

and I believe that our former pit stop is a detour and M/M are sent straight to the pit stop after completing the task
(i believe that they're over 6 hours behind the other teams by that point...)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: kaad on April 13, 2009, 02:57:29 AM
AGREED with puddin

btw, i got this (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/Smileys/classic/a020.gif)

on the left is about ticket selling or something... so .... if u can use it to locate the presice location of the pitstop. Neobie, im talking about u...


  No idea what picture your trying to post but quote this and see how its done

oh...i get it... thx,i was talking about the part when luke made the bitch move. on the left, there was some chinese characters

Oh, I know what you are talking about... that water park tour ticket office right?
We knew there is the pit-stop, located near the Sun & Moon Pagoda, right?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 13, 2009, 03:52:23 AM
Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)
When birds attack! - A fishing cormorant draws blood. A throwdown at a Cluebox leads to a mat showdown. One racer's frustration with non-English speakers grows and check out the most explosive pit stop - EVER!

"A throwdown at a Cluebox leads to a mat showdown." - Luke & Jen

"One racer's frustration with non-English speakers grows and check out the most explosive pit stop - EVER!" - could be Jaime??


ZOMG. Jaime LOVE! I loved to see her meltdown because of people not knowing English.

SPECULATION: T/V get first, Followed by M/L and K/J. Notice how T/V are in the middle... Lawyers anyone? J/C fall fourth. Pitstop closes and M/M comes dead last.
So you're that desperate to see them in first?  Seriously, they're not that good.  I think it's either Margie & Luke or Kisha & Jen who win the leg.  And having read that second clue, yeah, I think it's Jaime & Cara in fourth, probably after a day of hard times from non-English-speaking Chinese people.

I'm guessing Guilin doesn't have a lot of locals who speak English.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: kaad on April 13, 2009, 04:06:13 AM
Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)
When birds attack! - A fishing cormorant draws blood. A throwdown at a Cluebox leads to a mat showdown. One racer's frustration with non-English speakers grows and check out the most explosive pit stop - EVER!

"A throwdown at a Cluebox leads to a mat showdown." - Luke & Jen

"One racer's frustration with non-English speakers grows and check out the most explosive pit stop - EVER!" - could be Jaime??


ZOMG. Jaime LOVE! I loved to see her meltdown because of people not knowing English.

SPECULATION: T/V get first, Followed by M/L and K/J. Notice how T/V are in the middle... Lawyers anyone? J/C fall fourth. Pitstop closes and M/M comes dead last.
So you're that desperate to see them in first?  Seriously, they're not that good.  I think it's either Margie & Luke or Kisha & Jen who win the leg.  And having read that second clue, yeah, I think it's Jaime & Cara in fourth, probably after a day of hard times from non-English-speaking Chinese people.

I'm guessing Guilin doesn't have a lot of locals who speak English.
Exactly...Like what i've said before, Guilin is not a commercial zone,not at all , just a small town (but with BEAUTIFUL scenery)

Worst Case Scenarios, Jaime&Cara got a non-English-speaking taxi driver and he drive them to the wrong place(just like Hayden&Aaron,Kris&Jon in Season6, come on, that's Shanghai, and it happened there!), and no one can help them
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I got it! After I ask the people who live in Guilin, he said one of the clue box was at the entrance of the Guilin Li Rver Folk Customs Centre, Here is the picture.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/kaad/glrfcc.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 13, 2009, 06:24:41 AM
On Kaad's posts above and below - wow, I don't know how you're doing it, but you're good!

if anybody want me to traslate it PROPERLY pls tell me, and ill do it!

HEY! :knuckles:

Oh, I know what you are talking about... that water park tour ticket office right?
We knew there is the pit-stop, located near the Sun & Moon Pagoda, right?

Sun and Moon Towers, and the Soulmate Pier (Riyue Shuangta and Zhiyin Tai, No 13 on map)
The clue *Pit Stop* was on Soulmate Pier, which faces the towers in the middle of the lake. There is a ticketing booth for tourist boats on the pier, and the guy manning the booth was probably lying when he said he didn't know anything. Teams not likely to have entered the towers though.

Uh-huh. That's the booth. That guy told me he worked alternate days and missed filming if there was any. He was still there the next day when I went back to check though.

ETA: I'm not too sure about this, but the mat is oriented so that teams have the towers as the backdrop while checking in. Running in from the road, this would mean teams run in from Phil's left. That gives us an arrival order of Kisha/Jen, Tammy/Victor, then Margie/Luke.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: kaad on April 13, 2009, 07:05:12 AM
Oh my gosh :hearts: I find the second place
http://gl.city8.com/sh3430620_BQ9B-165_10_59.swf
The salon is located at Qingxiu Road (清秀路), near the coal task.(i guess it's on the same road)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: apskip on April 13, 2009, 07:33:27 AM
kaad, your statement
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Guilin is not a commercial city...just a small tourist province...so taxi driver/people there don't know how to speak in English is quite normal
.
No, Guilin is not a small town. It is a city of 600,000 in a metro area of 1.34 million. It has hordes of English-speaking tourists visiting regularly. I would guess that there is a fair comprehension of English by some residents, although not more than 1 in 10. What are my credentials to say this? I've been there. Have you? I don't recall any difficulty getting around and I speak no Mandarin.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: amazing_hey on April 13, 2009, 08:30:27 AM
Jen is like she is grabbing the cluebox like a basketball.....
A basketballl style match start between Jen & Luke.....
Luke is complaining after the match is over.....
Honestly, both of them are not bitch, they are just being mad to escape elimination.....
From the preview, Luke is obviously start the war ft, and Jen pay back, so it is 1:1.....

Really want to see how cheerleader & M/M did!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 13, 2009, 10:01:10 AM

Uh-huh. That's the booth. That guy told me he worked alternate days and missed filming if there was any. He was still there the next day when I went back to check though.

ETA: I'm not too sure about this, but the mat is oriented so that teams have the towers as the backdrop while checking in. Running in from the road, this would mean teams run in from Phil's left. That gives us an arrival order of Kisha/Jen, Tammy/Victor, then Margie/Luke.

Neobie, your pitstop confrontation looks so epic! They're the Bomb! They looked like Miis on the Wii! I wonder if the game would be released in the Wii, We could reenact them bitching each other looking like Mii's  :funny:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 13, 2009, 10:05:17 AM
Good stuff kaad an Neobie! awesome! :yess: :jam:

another clue and dancing!!!!!!!!!


A THROWDOWN AT A CLUEBOX LEADS TO A MAT MELTDOWN, AND ONE RACER'S FRUSTRATION WITH FOREIGN LANGUAGES CONTINUES TO GROW, ON "THE AMAZING RACE," APRIL 19

"Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death" (China) — During the Detour, one Racer is frustrated when a dancing judge doesn’t understand their question, and two Teams battle each other throughout the leg, leading to a full-blown mat meltdown, on THE AMAZING RACE 14, Sunday, April 19 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Phil Keoghan is host.
 
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Dånooky on April 13, 2009, 10:10:30 AM
Loved the Mii scene!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 13, 2009, 10:53:49 AM
Guilin Fan Dance? (http://www.flickr.com/photos/expatriategames/1298960912/)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 13, 2009, 11:18:39 AM
Good stuff kaad an Neobie! awesome! :yess: :jam:

another clue and dancing!!!!!!!!!


A THROWDOWN AT A CLUEBOX LEADS TO A MAT MELTDOWN, AND ONE RACER'S FRUSTRATION WITH FOREIGN LANGUAGES CONTINUES TO GROW, ON "THE AMAZING RACE," APRIL 19

"Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death" (China) — During the Detour, one Racer is frustrated when a dancing judge doesn’t understand their question, and two Teams battle each other throughout the leg, leading to a full-blown mat meltdown, on THE AMAZING RACE 14, Sunday, April 19 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Phil Keoghan is host.
Jaime & Cara with their cheerleading background do a dancing task. When Jaime doesn't get the answer she wants, she yells at the judge. Then Bruno, Len and Carrie Ann Inaba come out from Dancing With the Stars and pummel her with brooms. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 13, 2009, 11:35:14 AM
Jaime & Cara with their cheerleading background do a dancing task. When Jaime doesn't get the answer she wants, she yells at the judge. Then Bruno, Len and Carrie Ann Inaba come out from Dancing With the Stars and pummel her with brooms. :lol:

I like this. A cross network, cross reaity show competition. After the broom beating, Phil has a flock of cormorants swallow up Bruno, Len and Carrie Ann and reguritate them on the mat.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 13, 2009, 11:39:54 AM
That's tremendous!!!!! :funny: :funny:

There are so many directions we can take this. I want to take this so badly, but I won't.

Suffice to say that Jaime will berate the judge and probably not get in trouble.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: woden on April 13, 2009, 12:20:35 PM
This is a lot to do in one leg. Looking something like this? (From spoiler thread):

EP09: Bangkok, Thailand to Guilin, China
Air Date: APR 19
Film Date: NOV 17-18
[Route Info]: Fly to Guilin, China, find hair salon on Qingxiu Road
[Speed Bump]: Wash hair at Shengsheng/Yingying salon (Mark/Michael)
[Route Info]: Perform traditional Chinese dance
[Roadblock]: Task at coal (steel?) factory (Kisha)
[Route Info]: Find Guilin Li River Folk Customs Center
[Detour]: Cormorant fishing or something involving Chinese characters (Kisha/Jen)?
[Pit Stop]: Soulmate Pier
Other Possible Task Locations: Zhiyin Pier, Old South Gate, Di-Tsai mountain, Peak of the Luminous Moon (Folded Brocade Mountain)
Possible Eliminated Teams: Michael/Mark

Neobie, I'm wondering if teams do additional tasks in Guilin in the next episode before moving on to Beijing -- would that help us fit in some of these other locations?

Guessing the dance comes after the clue at the salon -- On the clue in Luke's hand, I'm seeing "Perform a Chinese..."

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: kaad on April 13, 2009, 12:23:14 PM
kaad, your statement
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Guilin is not a commercial city...just a small tourist province...so taxi driver/people there don't know how to speak in English is quite normal
.
No, Guilin is not a small town. It is a city of 600,000 in a metro area of 1.34 million. It has hordes of English-speaking tourists visiting regularly. I would guess that there is a fair comprehension of English by some residents, although not more than 1 in 10. What are my credentials to say this? I've been there. Have you? I don't recall any difficulty getting around and I speak no Mandarin.

I mean compare to Beijing,Shanghai,Guangzhou,Shenzhen these commercial zone, you know what i mean now?
I've been there, but I'm Chinese, so i have no problem in commuincation.
People there may know English, but not a lot, like what i said before.

Some people may get bad luck, you can find non-english speaker everywhere in China
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 13, 2009, 12:40:06 PM
kaad, your statement
Quote
Guilin is not a commercial city...just a small tourist province...so taxi driver/people there don't know how to speak in English is quite normal
.
No, Guilin is not a small town. It is a city of 600,000 in a metro area of 1.34 million. It has hordes of English-speaking tourists visiting regularly. I would guess that there is a fair comprehension of English by some residents, although not more than 1 in 10. What are my credentials to say this? I've been there. Have you? I don't recall any difficulty getting around and I speak no Mandarin.

I mean compare to Beijing,Shanghai,Guangzhou,Shenzhen these commercial zone, you know what i mean now?
I've been there, but I'm Chinese, so i have no problem in commuincation.
People there may know English, but not a lot, like what i said before.

Some people may get bad luck, you can find non-english speaker everywhere in China

A population of 600 000 ranks it around #77 in China, I think! And #77 in the US is like Chandler, Arizona. :duno:

They will have to try very hard to get people to speak English - especially with the places they're going to! The Sheraton Hotel yes, Folded Brocade Mountains yes, everywhere else - it's gonna take effort finding someone. Some of them can't even speak Mandarin!

I'm starting to wonder if the Old South Gate was a red herring. I can bet tar and feathers on the Folded Brocade Mountains though.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ruth on April 13, 2009, 12:52:42 PM
Wow, so we get to see Luke's hot tempered side next week. I'm already looking forward to next week's episode. Not that I love meltdowns, but it's probably gonna be the most heated pit-stop moment ever, can't wait to catch that. Poor Phil, he's gonna have to mediate. And looks like Tammy and Victor check in around the same time as the two teams, they'll probably be all stuck in the shouting lol. Hope that Mark and Michael don't catch up heh.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Dånooky on April 13, 2009, 01:39:52 PM
Neobie, I'm wondering if teams do additional tasks in Guilin in the next episode before moving on to Beijing -- would that help us fit in some of these other locations?
What if the whole Luke battles Jen and Jen battles Luke scenes are part from a route info scavenger hunt (look through all the clue boxes until you find the right one)?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DavidJunior on April 13, 2009, 02:49:33 PM
i was wondering...

if the fight between Jen/Luke on/after the mat is 45 mins long, maybe they get there around the same time, and Tammy/Victor arrive later but K/J and M/L are still there fighting and arguing when they arrive
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 13, 2009, 03:20:23 PM
Thank you kaad!! And Neobie of course!! What amazing work, y'all are great!

I think I am looking forward to this episode almost most of all!!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Hooky on April 13, 2009, 03:23:13 PM
When I saw the preview I was thinking "Wow. Now that is the mat meltdown!"

I hope everyone doesn't get mad at Jen for this just because Luke is deaf. Based on the limited footage we have, it appears it was completely Luke's fault.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: apskip on April 13, 2009, 03:36:56 PM
Neobie,

Your ranking of Chinese cities appears to be fairly reasonable, although Guilin's metropolitan area is 51st in China. However, the better point of reference for me (and I think for most Amazing Race viewers, who are mostly in the U.S.) is to large cities of 600,000 in the U.S. On that basis, Guilin is comparable to El Paso, Milwaukee, Boston, Seattle and Denver. There are only 20 U.S. cities larger than Guilin. Its population may be medium-sized in the China pecking order but it would be large looked at from the U.S. perspective.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Belle Book on April 13, 2009, 06:43:37 PM
Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death (China)
When birds attack! - A fishing cormorant draws blood. A throwdown at a Cluebox leads to a mat showdown. One racer's frustration with non-English speakers grows and check out the most explosive pit stop - EVER!

From the info we have and later info, I think Jamie's the one who gets frustrated with non-English speakers.  As for the throwdown which leads to the mat showdown, that clearly refers to Jen & Luke getting into it!

BTW, although I do think it's possible that Cara & Jamie come in fourth, I'm hoping they come in first and that LaKisha & Jen and Margie & Luke are battling for second and third.  Tammy & Victor come in either third or fourth, but it doesn't matter -- Mark & Michael are doomed bunnies.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: patlini on April 13, 2009, 10:11:01 PM
re: the showdown

I was wondering if it was related to the Bangkok leg whereby Jen/Kisha and Margie/Luke were following each other.  After M/L took off Jen/Kisha asked their Taxi driver if M/L's taxi driver gave him the wrong directions and he said yeah.
When in fact M/L had told their taxi driver not to tell J/K's taxi driver about the pedestrians who knew were the boat yard was.

J/K seemed pretty P**ed at M/L about this.

so maybe the showdown is a continuation of this.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 13, 2009, 10:28:18 PM
re: the showdown

I was wondering if it was related to the Bangkok leg whereby Jen/Kisha and Margie/Luke were following each other.  After M/L took off Jen/Kisha asked their Taxi driver if M/L's taxi driver gave him the wrong directions and he said yeah.
When in fact M/L had told their taxi driver not to tell J/K's taxi driver about the pedestrians who knew were the boat yard was.

J/K seemed pretty P**ed at M/L about this.

so maybe the showdown is a continuation of this.

Whatever it's about, they better put them in the proper light (i.e., not make Luke look like the victim when he was the one who started it).
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: kaad on April 14, 2009, 12:47:15 AM
Neobie,

Your ranking of Chinese cities appears to be fairly reasonable, although Guilin's metropolitan area is 51st in China. However, the better point of reference for me (and I think for most Amazing Race viewers, who are mostly in the U.S.) is to large cities of 600,000 in the U.S. On that basis, Guilin is comparable to El Paso, Milwaukee, Boston, Seattle and Denver. There are only 20 U.S. cities larger than Guilin. Its population may be medium-sized in the China pecking order but it would be large looked at from the U.S. perspective.

 :waves:  I'm actually talking about its commercialize level, the size of it can be a factor, but not always. Like Hong Kong, a small region, but ranking in 7th of the top urban centers in China, Guilin hasn't made it to the top 20.(not even a city of Guangxi Autonomous regions), you can check it on wikipedia.

To conclude...China is much different than the U.S :duno:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: realshowfan on April 14, 2009, 04:27:11 AM
Hm...

Is it for sure that Mark&Michael will have to do their Speedbump in the salon? Usually the Speedbumped team goes somewhere else, right?

You know, if either teams Kisha&Jen and Luke&Margie are not last, shouldn't it be okay for them? I mean, there might be a conflict if they got to pitstop 1st/2nd, but L&M got a few prizes already, and if they're not 1st and last, they'd leave at almost the same time? It was there at the preview where Jen first called Luke a bit... You know what. lol  Um...Can Luke hear that? Maybe he could read her lips, or maybe Margie told him, I dunno. :duno: My last theory is that basically Luke knew what Jen called him, and then maybe at pitstop that topic somehow came in and started the argument.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 14, 2009, 05:35:30 AM
Hm...

Is it for sure that Mark&Michael will have to do their Speedbump in the salon? Usually the Speedbumped team goes somewhere else, right?

You know, if either teams Kisha&Jen and Luke&Margie are not last, shouldn't it be okay for them? I mean, there might be a conflict if they got to pitstop 1st/2nd, but L&M got a few prizes already, and if they're not 1st and last, they'd leave at almost the same time? It was there at the preview where Jen first called Luke a bit... You know what. lol  Um...Can Luke hear that? Maybe he could read her lips, or maybe Margie told him, I dunno. :duno: My last theory is that basically Luke knew what Jen called him, and then maybe at pitstop that topic somehow came in and started the argument.

Last season, Dandrew performed their speed bump at the exact park where they spent having the shetland pony and detour. And with the lead of all other teams with Mark and Michael, I even feel that were going to have our first unused/unaired speed bump!  :funny:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: apskip on April 14, 2009, 07:28:19 AM
Most of the time teams do travel by taxi to the Speed Bump. However, in AR13 the critical second Moscow episode Dan/Andrew did their SPEED BUMP right in Sokolniky Park very close to the Shetland pony lady giving out DETOUR clues. So there is precedence for a Speed Bump being at the same place. The key is that the task itself will be designed to take longer when there is no transportaiton needed.

EDITOR's NOTE - Thanks to Raymond, who knew what I meant from the second usage of Speed Bump in this post and advised me to make sure the first one was SPEED BUMP (originally ROADBLOCK, but that is not what I meant) too.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Cocoa on April 14, 2009, 07:41:38 AM
Hm...

Is it for sure that Mark&Michael will have to do their Speedbump in the salon? Usually the Speedbumped team goes somewhere else, right?

You know, if either teams Kisha&Jen and Luke&Margie are not last, shouldn't it be okay for them? I mean, there might be a conflict if they got to pitstop 1st/2nd, but L&M got a few prizes already, and if they're not 1st and last, they'd leave at almost the same time? It was there at the preview where Jen first called Luke a bit... You know what. lol  Um...Can Luke hear that? Maybe he could read her lips, or maybe Margie told him, I dunno. :duno: My last theory is that basically Luke knew what Jen called him, and then maybe at pitstop that topic somehow came in and started the argument.

Last season, Dandrew performed their speed bump at the exact park where they spent having the shetland pony and detour. And with the lead of all other teams with Mark and Michael, I even feel that were going to have our first unused/unaired speed bump!  :funny:


I do not think so... A speed bump is more special than the Fast forward (which are commonly unaired when unused). I think the show will "shorten" the gap for excitement, making M/M do the speedbump. But if M/M got stock in Thailand that made them SOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... FAR............ behind, then there is a possibility of that.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 14, 2009, 07:52:33 AM
Most of the time teams do travel by taxi to the Speed Bump. However, in AR13 the critical second Moscow episode Dan/Andrew did their ROADBLOCK right in Sokolniky Park very close to the Shetland pony lady giving out DETOUR clues. So there is precedence for a Speed bump being at the same place. The key is that the task itself will be designed to take longer when there is no transportaiton needed.

I think you mean Speed Bump, not Road Block.

Anyways, can't wait for the Guilin leg!!!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 14, 2009, 10:33:39 AM
Heres what Phil has to say fwiw:

I've been teeing it up for weeks now, and we're finally here: Next week is the most memorable mat meltdown of all time. Margie and Luke vs. Kisha and Jen. These two teams battle throughout the entire leg and end up with mere seconds separating them at the check in. I've never seen two teams go at it like this before and have it carry all the way to the mat.


http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/04/amazing-race.html
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: anon1akacolby on April 14, 2009, 12:09:31 PM
it sounds like the showdown between J/K adn and M/L has to do with the aggressiveness shown in the previews when the two teams arrive at the clueboxes.  We see it every season....teams battle it out to get the clue first from the cluebox.  We've seen pushing and cutting in line at the last second before.  There is always a team that is upset about it.  This is nothing new.  this appears to be the same thing however it seems to happen more than once in this leg which leads to more tension.  I can see why both teams would  blow up.  Jen seems like the kind of girl that won't back down and Luke has played aggressively.   As someone suggested earlier, I wouldn't doubt that what happened in Bangkok created a bit of animosity with J/K against M/L and that is aggravated more by the aggressiveness of Luke at the clueboxes.   

I have to say, I feel sorry for Margie for having to keep up with an angry signing Luke in the arguement with J/K!  How frustating that would be.  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Dånooky on April 14, 2009, 05:33:30 PM
and yet another echo of Season 6: "Someone I'm gonna break in half!"
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 14, 2009, 08:52:42 PM
and yet another echo of Season 6: "Someone I'm gonna break in half!"

Thats the first thing I thought about when I saw the preview.....when Luke ran over Jen and the clue box almost hit the ground.....Freddy threatening everyone in TAR6....

The funny thing is....no one pulled down that gate. The counter weight hit the ground and gravity started that gate back down.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: amazing_hey on April 14, 2009, 09:41:32 PM
Margie & Luke has lots of issue between Female teams this season.

They are protecting and helping Cheerleaders a lots. :kuss:

They are being bad to the sisters,  lied to teams that they will use U-turn, giving wrong direction for their taxi driver, and next week fight with them. :meow: I guess if sisters is not ahead of them in leg 4, I guess they might U-turn Sisters instead of Amanda Kris.

Luke is not being fair to the girls

Just a silly imagination  :umn:
The worst case on this leg will be M/M come in 1st :groan: and Cheerleaders come in last~
lol, maybe Luke has such big reaction  :snicker:to force Phil to give penalty to sisters, in order to help cheerleaders  :-*to stay in the game :-[
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 14, 2009, 10:04:07 PM
lol, maybe Luke has such big reaction  :snicker:to force Phil to give penalty to sisters, in order to help cheerleaders  :-*to stay in the game :-[

If Luke ever thinks of doing something like that, I will forever hate him for being THAT immature.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 15, 2009, 12:35:53 AM
Margie & Luke has lots of issue between Female teams this season.

They are protecting and helping Cheerleaders a lots. :kuss:

They are being bad to the sisters,  lied to teams that they will use U-turn, giving wrong direction for their taxi driver, and next week fight with them. :meow: I guess if sisters is not ahead of them in leg 4, I guess they might U-turn Sisters instead of Amanda Kris.

Luke is not being fair to the girls
And yet . . . no mention of the Flight Attendants?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: ready2rock on April 15, 2009, 05:18:36 AM
omg...i'm so worried about kisha and jen for the next episode bcz if there is u-turn then and any of the so-called alliance team of m/l or c/j reaches to it first then kisha and jen will have it!!!   :hammer
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 15, 2009, 05:37:31 AM
omg...i'm so worried about kisha and jen for the next episode bcz if there is u-turn then and any of the so-called alliance team of m/l or c/j reaches to it first then kisha and jen will have it!!!   :hammer

its only C/J who will be able to U-TURN... M/L exhausted theirs.

SPECULATION:


And it looks like if C/J's U-TURNING a team, it will most probably be Kisha and Jen, why? to return the favor to Margie and Luke of course
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Cocoa on April 15, 2009, 05:44:24 AM
omg...i'm so worried about kisha and jen for the next episode bcz if there is u-turn then and any of the so-called alliance team of m/l or c/j reaches to it first then kisha and jen will have it!!!   :hammer

its only C/J who will be able to U-TURN... M/L exhausted theirs.

SPECULATION:


And it looks like if C/J's U-TURNING a team, it will most probably be Kisha and Jen, why? to return the favor to Margie and Luke of course

Wow! If that's true then U-turn+Mat Fight+Scenic Guilin = ANOTHER FABULOUS LEG!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 15, 2009, 05:49:56 AM
omg...i'm so worried about kisha and jen for the next episode bcz if there is u-turn then and any of the so-called alliance team of m/l or c/j reaches to it first then kisha and jen will have it!!!   :hammer

its only C/J who will be able to U-TURN... M/L exhausted theirs.

SPECULATION:


And it looks like if C/J's U-TURNING a team, it will most probably be Kisha and Jen, why? to return the favor to Margie and Luke of course

Wow! If that's true then U-turn+Mat Fight+Scenic Guilin = ANOTHER FABULOUS LEG!

I don't think there's a U-Turn. 'Cause if there was, it'll be hard for Margie & Luke and Kisha & Jen to be at the same spot at the same time 3 times. (I doubt any of them will wait for the other to check in.)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: ready2rock on April 15, 2009, 06:07:25 AM
omg...i'm so worried about kisha and jen for the next episode bcz if there is u-turn then and any of the so-called alliance team of m/l or c/j reaches to it first then kisha and jen will have it!!!   :hammer

its only C/J who will be able to U-TURN... M/L exhausted theirs.

SPECULATION:


And it looks like if C/J's U-TURNING a team, it will most probably be Kisha and Jen, why? to return the favor to Margie and Luke of course

Wow! If that's true then U-turn+Mat Fight+Scenic Guilin = ANOTHER FABULOUS LEG!

I don't think there's a U-Turn. 'Cause if there was, it'll be hard for Margie & Luke and Kisha & Jen to be at the same spot at the same time 3 times. (I doubt any of them will wait for the other to check in.)

Hey guys sorry for this but i was not talking about the u-turn thing in context of the coming episode but for the one after that...and yeah mooyou how dumb can i get??? in my worriness i even forgot that m/l have exhausted their chance to u-turn :groan:...wud be awesome if k/j paired with t/v and u-turn any of the other two teams :wohoo:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 15, 2009, 06:16:39 AM
omg...i'm so worried about kisha and jen for the next episode bcz if there is u-turn then and any of the so-called alliance team of m/l or c/j reaches to it first then kisha and jen will have it!!!   :hammer

its only C/J who will be able to U-TURN... M/L exhausted theirs.

SPECULATION:


And it looks like if C/J's U-TURNING a team, it will most probably be Kisha and Jen, why? to return the favor to Margie and Luke of course

Wow! If that's true then U-turn+Mat Fight+Scenic Guilin = ANOTHER FABULOUS LEG!

I don't think there's a U-Turn. 'Cause if there was, it'll be hard for Margie & Luke and Kisha & Jen to be at the same spot at the same time 3 times. (I doubt any of them will wait for the other to check in.)

Hey guys sorry for this but i was not talking about the u-turn thing in context of the coming episode but for the one after that...and yeah mooyou how dumb can i get??? in my worriness i even forgot that m/l have exhausted their chance to u-turn :groan:...wud be awesome if k/j paired with t/v and u-turn any of the other two teams :wohoo:

I was thinking that, so now it makes sense. ;)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Dånooky on April 15, 2009, 10:34:45 AM
I don't know, based on the speculation of the arrival of the three teams during the bitch-off, I'm very inclined to say cara & jaime arrived first to keep margie & luke's 1-4 consistency :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 15, 2009, 11:08:10 AM
Short promo .. they are playing up the fight and nothing new here but Marge is clearly pissed!



VoiceOver: its a knock down
Jen: cut it that out!
VO: drag out
Marge: hes signing and their laughing at him!
VO: amazing Race first ..all new CBS Sunday


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Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 15, 2009, 11:37:33 AM
Unless Luke committed first degree murder, Margie's going to defend him to the end.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: colav10 on April 15, 2009, 02:41:32 PM
Puddin, I realize you are probably waiting for a longer commerical but can you post a video of the short commerical. Thanks! ;D
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Belle Book on April 15, 2009, 03:51:20 PM
Unless Luke committed first degree murder, Margie's going to defend him to the end.

I'm not that surprised.  Luke's her son, so it's natural that Margie will defend him.

As for the U-Turn, I think that if Cara & Jamie use theirs, it'll be on Tammy & Victor and not on LaKisha & Jen.  Cara & Jamie have more reason to dislike the siblings than the sisters, and Tammy & Victor are stronger.  I also think that LaKisha & Jen will use their U-Turn on Margie & Luke and ignore Cara & Jamie.  After all, Cara & Jamie never did anything to the sisters and Margie & Luke are stronger.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Dånooky on April 15, 2009, 05:12:11 PM
I guess racing without Mel & Mike's comic relief's starting to take toll on the racers
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Snooky on April 15, 2009, 05:30:58 PM
Puddin, I realize you are probably waiting for a longer commerical but can you post a video of the short commerical. Thanks! ;D

It's pretty much the exact same without the text, but shorter than the after show one, so what's the point??
Unless Luke committed first degree murder, Margie's going to defend him to the end.

I'm not that surprised.  Luke's her son, so it's natural that Margie will defend him.

As for the U-Turn, I think that if Cara & Jamie use theirs, it'll be on Tammy & Victor and not on LaKisha & Jen.  Cara & Jamie have more reason to dislike the siblings than the sisters, and Tammy & Victor are stronger.  I also think that LaKisha & Jen will use their U-Turn on Margie & Luke and ignore Cara & Jamie.  After all, Cara & Jamie never did anything to the sisters and Margie & Luke are stronger.

Belle Book


I agree with Belle Book about IF there is a U-turn.  Unless of course Tammy and Victor get ahead of them so they can't.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Dånooky on April 15, 2009, 06:23:13 PM
Unless Luke committed first degree murder, Margie's going to defend him to the end.

I'm not that surprised.  Luke's her son, so it's natural that Margie will defend him.

As for the U-Turn, I think that if Cara & Jamie use theirs, it'll be on Tammy & Victor and not on LaKisha & Jen.  Cara & Jamie have more reason to dislike the siblings than the sisters, and Tammy & Victor are stronger.  I also think that LaKisha & Jen will use their U-Turn on Margie & Luke and ignore Cara & Jamie.  After all, Cara & Jamie never did anything to the sisters and Margie & Luke are stronger.

Belle Book


I agree with Belle Book about IF there is a U-turn.  Unless of course Tammy and Victor get ahead of them so they can't.

I think she meant it in a general case, not necessarily this week
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 15, 2009, 07:44:37 PM
Maybe I'll make a video after Lost

same same ... Jen: Game on ==Marge: hes lived with this all of his life ...

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Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 15, 2009, 07:59:58 PM
I like the way how you could see Margie's anger coming right out of our screens!  :funny: Creepy, scary yet hilarious!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 15, 2009, 08:10:34 PM
Unless Luke committed first degree murder, Margie's going to defend him to the end.

I think Margie's going to defend Luke even if he committed first degree murder  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 15, 2009, 08:11:32 PM
That's what Moms are for.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 15, 2009, 08:18:27 PM
That's what Moms are for.
Damn straight.  :jam: :jam: :jam:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Umass on April 15, 2009, 08:21:54 PM
Luke is a punk and a momma's boy. He threw an elbow and later pushes Jen. Plain and simple!
Luke will have his mommy do his fighting for sure!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Slowhatch on April 15, 2009, 09:14:22 PM
That's a nice layout of caps.  :tup: Do you have a collage/photostitch program?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: anon1akacolby on April 15, 2009, 09:30:43 PM
Quote
Luke is a punk and a momma's boy. He threw an elbow and later pushes Jen. Plain and simple!
Luke will have his mommy do his fighting for sure!

Being that Luke can't speak and vocalize anything.  How could he argue?  He can only sign his frustration and make gutteral sounds so of course his mother is going to fight for him.  She's his voice in the race!  Can you imagine how frustating that must be to want to verbally express yourself and you can't?  All you can do is make a few sounds, show the frustation in your expressions and only use your hands to talk and the other person may not even understand what you are saying!  Nor may you be able to understand what they are saying!  (unless you read lips of course)   I'm not saying Luke is right for pushing but come on, he has limits in verbal arguements so of course he can't argue like you and I would with another person.   Your comment is pretty darn childish.

Having said that, I originally didn't think Margie was going to be a part of the arguement but now with the new footage it looks like she is and she is upset too. I originally thought it was all Luke.  It looks like J/K's snickering for whatever reason they are doing it, sparks a fire under Margie.   They may not be laughing at Luke for the reasons she thinks but I could see how she may misconstrue that  and get upset and step up to defend him.  This should be an interesting episode to see how it all plays out.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 15, 2009, 10:18:44 PM
That's a nice layout of caps.  :tup: Do you have a collage/photostitch program?
No its just the thumbnail option at photobucket which sure saves a lot of room.

Heres one of the videos

 
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 15, 2009, 10:38:50 PM
What's Margie holding? Almost looks like a decorated journal or something?

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 15, 2009, 11:39:57 PM
Quote
Luke is a punk and a momma's boy. He threw an elbow and later pushes Jen. Plain and simple!
Luke will have his mommy do his fighting for sure!

Being that Luke can't speak and vocalize anything.  How could he argue?  He can only sign his frustration and make gutteral sounds so of course his mother is going to fight for him.  She's his voice in the race!  Can you imagine how frustating that must be to want to verbally express yourself and you can't?  All you can do is make a few sounds, show the frustation in your expressions and only use your hands to talk and the other person may not even understand what you are saying!  Nor may you be able to understand what they are saying!  (unless you read lips of course)   I'm not saying Luke is right for pushing but come on, he has limits in verbal arguements so of course he can't argue like you and I would with another person.   Your comment is pretty darn childish.

Having said that, I originally didn't think Margie was going to be a part of the arguement but now with the new footage it looks like she is and she is upset too. I originally thought it was all Luke.  It looks like J/K's snickering for whatever reason they are doing it, sparks a fire under Margie.   They may not be laughing at Luke for the reasons she thinks but I could see how she may misconstrue that  and get upset and step up to defend him.  This should be an interesting episode to see how it all plays out.

I watched the current "coming attractions" on my HD DVR in slow motion several times.  Now, it is hard to tell, but it seems to me that Jen starts it by pushing Luke at the first box.  Luke is already at the box, trying to open it.  Jen is approaching at a run several steps behind.  She then appears to push him as she arrives, you can see her hands on his back just as he gets the cluebox open or charitably she might be trying to prevent him from backing into her.  Then she goes around to his left, at which time he brings his elbox,  shoulder, and hand up with the CLUE in his hand.  He probably hit her, not sure whether it was intentional or not.  After all he can't hear her running up behind him or he may have known she was behind him and was "defending" his space.  After all he can't yell "stop it".  I think Luke's feeling was that he arrived first and should be able to get out of the way by himself not be PUSHED out of the way.  You can then see Jen fuming in the taxi and saying "game on".

The second box was an all out, body blocking run by both Jen and Luke with no stopping on either part until Jen hit the clue box.  Both parties seem to be using everything they had to make it to the box first.  Jen did touch the box first.  The remainder is hard to interpret.  Either both were running so hard they couldn't stop or Luke attempted to reach over Jen - I think, from the brief clip that they showed,  they were both running so hard they couldn't stop.  Luke did appear to back up when Jen hit the box, but that my have been him trying not to fall over.  Neither was holding back in the pushing and blocking department.

What I found disturbing was K/J's snickering and Kisha's dismissive "whatever" at the mat.  BTW, you can just see Victor to the rear of K/J  in part of this scene and a corner of Tammy's hair almost beside Margie.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 15, 2009, 11:45:42 PM
What's Margie holding? Almost looks like a decorated journal or something?


Kisha and Jen are holding them as well peach. It's all Chinese to me.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 16, 2009, 03:00:37 AM
Yep.  That tells me everything.  Kisha & Jen snickering?  They're the ones the show will portray as the baddies in this mess.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Cocoa on April 16, 2009, 03:29:58 AM
MY OPINIONS..

1. There is a task that lead to the pitstop.... maybe a Detour that involves the item held by Margie and Jen... and maybe Tammy and Vic chose another choice because they didn't seem to have the item. OR Its a RB... the person not doing the roadblock waits for its partner to the pitstop,,, Jen and Margie could arrive at the same time. AND the mat meltdown began when they both check-in with T/V because if Kisha did the RB then the fight would start when they arrive if the task is a RB.

2. If the task is a Detour, then there is NO U-TURN. It would not make any logical sense if the U-turn was at the pitstop.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: redskevin88 on April 16, 2009, 05:09:59 AM
I'm a Margie/Luke fan, and I even have a group supporting them on Facebook. I hope they don't go out.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: redskevin88 on April 16, 2009, 05:11:03 AM
Also, does anyone remember that TK/Rachel, were three hours behind, and they overtook Nate and Jen in Amazing Race 12? I think M/M are not out yet...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 16, 2009, 06:44:21 AM
Also, does anyone remember that TK/Rachel, were three hours behind, and they overtook Nate and Jen in Amazing Race 12? I think M/M are not out yet...

Well, considering that TK/Rachel left at 10-something and the other three teams had to wait for their first clue to open at 10, it isn't the same case.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: redskevin88 on April 16, 2009, 07:06:22 AM
Also, does anyone remember that TK/Rachel, were three hours behind, and they overtook Nate and Jen in Amazing Race 12? I think M/M are not out yet...

Well, considering that TK/Rachel left at 10-something and the other three teams had to wait for their first clue to open at 10, it isn't the same case.

One answer to that... Flights. The irregularity of international flights has allowed many a team to catch up.

TK were saved by the fact that they caught the same flight as the previous 3 teams, and the bunching up in the second train (to Taipei)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: apskip on April 16, 2009, 07:13:21 AM
redskinskevin88,

My reply to your thinking has already been posted on another thread. I am importing it here because it fits:

I have visited your blog. My reply to it is Mark/Michael will be 3 hours 10 minutes behind Kisha/Jen and maybe 5 hours behind Margie/Luke. However, that has little significance. All that matters is can they make the same flight combination to Guilin. I don't think so. The impact of that is that they could arrive 5 hours later than the other teams, but for unknown reasons (probably availability) they arrive 9 hours later. They could not make up either one unless there is an hours of operation for overnight, which is not possible with the pits stop reports of being open after midnight.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: redskevin88 on April 16, 2009, 07:37:12 AM
MY OPINIONS..

1. There is a task that lead to the pitstop.... maybe a Detour that involves the item held by Margie and Jen... and maybe Tammy and Vic chose another choice because they didn't seem to have the item. OR Its a RB... the person not doing the roadblock waits for its partner to the pitstop,,, Jen and Margie could arrive at the same time. AND the mat meltdown began when they both check-in with T/V because if Kisha did the RB then the fight would start when they arrive if the task is a RB.

2. If the task is a Detour, then there is NO U-TURN. It would not make any logical sense if the U-turn was at the pitstop.


Maybe there is a second fast-forward and Tammy and Victor took it?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: jerseydude on April 16, 2009, 08:20:52 AM
Well from my speculation the best way to Guilin is for the direct flight at 4:20pm which only flies on Sunday, Wednesday and Friday in the present.It arrives at 8:05 and takes 2 hours and 45 minutes. The flight number is PG821 . I think that most teams will take it cuz it takes at least 5 hours if they choose a good flight either through Hong Kong or mainland china (Guangzhou would be the best pick). So I think that most teams would choose this flight and i guess they will be released in the afternoon cuz it looked dark in the last leg and I think the production wouldn't want them to be taking 5-10 hours on only a 2 hour flight direct.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: apskip on April 16, 2009, 08:49:51 AM
jerseydude,

You need to take a close look at some flight combinations that Neobie put together many weeks ago. See the Timelines thread. The bottom line is that there are 4 flights departing before the 420pm flight (which is a good one if teams want to wait for a 5 hours later arrival, which they obviously won't). I will give you the same advice i have given several other newbies: Read the threads to learn what others have discovered before you.

The above assumes a Wednesday Nov. 18 release after a 36 hour extended pit stop. If it was really a regular 12 hour pit stop then flight TG821 does not apply at all because it does not fly on Tuesdays.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: scruffs on April 16, 2009, 09:12:51 AM
hello everyone,,,,
i'm just new here....
 ;D
i'm always reading your posts, and i'm really amazed at how you guys speculate on things that can happen in the race..... how you have been doing researches on the places they are visiting....
esp. belle book
well keep up the good work
 :jam:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: apskip on April 16, 2009, 09:19:25 AM
MY OPINIONS..

1. There is a task that lead to the pitstop.... maybe a Detour that involves the item held by Margie and Jen... and maybe Tammy and Vic chose another choice because they didn't seem to have the item. OR Its a RB... the person not doing the roadblock waits for its partner to the pitstop,,, Jen and Margie could arrive at the same time. AND the mat meltdown began when they both check-in with T/V because if Kisha did the RB then the fight would start when they arrive if the task is a RB.

2. If the task is a Detour, then there is NO U-TURN. It would not make any logical sense if the U-turn was at the pitstop.


Maybe there is a second fast-forward and Tammy and Victor took it?

redskinskevin88:
It is not a high probabilty, but yes I think another fast forward is a possiblity and Tammy/Victor taking it could explain some of the observed timing.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: scruffs on April 16, 2009, 09:34:10 AM
i don't like kisha and jen,,,
i prefer mark and michael more,,, just wondering if they just proceed to the detour and to the pitstop without going back to their backpacks, will phil let them get their things after checking them in the mat?

uycocoa,
i will be more than willing to join the TAR:TV Stars game in the TAR Fantasy Thread.
i just don't know how...
sorry, have to reply to you like this, there is something wrong in my personal message inbox,,,,
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 16, 2009, 09:50:07 AM
i don't like kisha and jen,,,
i prefer mark and michael more,,, just wondering if they just proceed to the detour and to the pitstop without going back to their backpacks, will phil let them get their things after checking them in the mat?

uycocoa,
i will be more than willing to join the TAR:TV Stars game in the TAR Fantasy Thread.
i just don't know how...
sorry, have to reply to you like this, there is something wrong in my personal message inbox,,,,

Hi scruff! Welcome to RFF!
Regardless of Mark and Michael got to the bags first or the detour first, I believe they were ripped off, or rather, they are not quite good in money matters (as seen in Episode 4)

- you will also need 5 posts before your personal message will be activated as far as i know... :)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 16, 2009, 10:00:02 AM
i don't like kisha and jen,,,
i prefer mark and michael more,,, just wondering if they just proceed to the detour and to the pitstop without going back to their backpacks, will phil let them get their things after checking them in the mat?

uycocoa,
i will be more than willing to join the TAR:TV Stars game in the TAR Fantasy Thread.
i just don't know how...
sorry, have to reply to you like this, there is something wrong in my personal message inbox,,,,

Hey scruffs. :D Just wondering, why the Kisha/Jen dislike? They haven't done anything hate-able for the past 8 legs.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: makz3d on April 16, 2009, 10:55:16 AM

<SNIP>

I watched the current "coming attractions" on my HD DVR in slow motion several times.  Now, it is hard to tell, but it seems to me that Jen starts it by pushing Luke at the first box.  Luke is already at the box, trying to open it.  Jen is approaching at a run several steps behind.  She then appears to push him as she arrives, you can see her hands on his back just as he gets the cluebox open or charitably she might be trying to prevent him from backing into her.  Then she goes around to his left, at which time he brings his elbox,  shoulder, and hand up with the CLUE in his hand.  He probably hit her, not sure whether it was intentional or not.  After all he can't hear her running up behind him or he may have known she was behind him and was "defending" his space.  After all he can't yell "stop it".  I think Luke's feeling was that he arrived first and should be able to get out of the way by himself not be PUSHED out of the way.  You can then see Jen fuming in the taxi and saying "game on".

The second box was an all out, body blocking run by both Jen and Luke with no stopping on either part until Jen hit the clue box.  Both parties seem to be using everything they had to make it to the box first.  Jen did touch the box first.  The remainder is hard to interpret.  Either both were running so hard they couldn't stop or Luke attempted to reach over Jen - I think, from the brief clip that they showed,  they were both running so hard they couldn't stop.  Luke did appear to back up when Jen hit the box, but that my have been him trying not to fall over.  Neither was holding back in the pushing and blocking department.

<SNIP>


I too was going to post about the same thing.  The first time it almost looks like Jen was getting on Luke's back and then when she reached over his left shoulder before he left the box and he may have reacted by pushing her with his elbow.

At the 2nd clue box they were both running full out.  Jen was in front and in slow motion Luke was on his way to running into her and seems to have tried to slow up.  Jen pushed the box down running into it.  Luke can be seen with his hands up as if showing that he was not touching her.

They were both at fault and I don't think Luke intentionally started it.  If the reaction of the elbow is considered starting it then I guess he did.  I do think Jen's aggressions provoked Luke but he shouldn't have reacted that way.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: beau_30 on April 16, 2009, 11:08:15 AM
We do know that Mark/Micheal will start 3hours and 10 minutes after Kisha/Jen start time.

And we know that Kisha/Jen, Tammy/Victor Margie/Luke all arrive at the pitstop together or around the same time.

From the previews...
Margie/Luke - Tammy/Victor - Kisha/Jen

It seems to me that Margie/Luke were there before Kisha/Jen and Tammy/Victor
If you look at Victors and Kishas breathing..

So it looks like Margie/Luke are 2nd with Kisha/Jen 3rd and Tammy/Victor 4th..

Now the only way that Mark/Micheal could catch up is if there is a Fast Foward and no other team takes it but Mark/Micheal after the speedbump.

Now if Tammy/Victor are 4th to arrive, that will explain when they get U-Turned on the next leg if there is one.. And pushing them behind..

So the way I see it as two options will be:

Cara/Jamie - 1st
Margie/Luke - 2nd
Kisha/Jen - 3rd
Tammy/Victor - 4th
Mark/Micheal - 5th..

The other option will be
Mark/Micheal - Fast Foward/Luck.
Margie/Luke
Kisha/Jen
Tammy/Victor
Cara/Jamie.

I do believe Margie/Luke, Kisha/Jen and Tammy/Victor are safe.

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 16, 2009, 11:53:34 AM
MY OPINIONS..

1. There is a task that lead to the pitstop.... maybe a Detour that involves the item held by Margie and Jen... and maybe Tammy and Vic chose another choice because they didn't seem to have the item. OR Its a RB... the person not doing the roadblock waits for its partner to the pitstop,,, Jen and Margie could arrive at the same time. AND the mat meltdown began when they both check-in with T/V because if Kisha did the RB then the fight would start when they arrive if the task is a RB.

2. If the task is a Detour, then there is NO U-TURN. It would not make any logical sense if the U-turn was at the pitstop.


Maybe there is a second fast-forward and Tammy and Victor took it?

redskinskevin88:
It is not a high probabilty, but yes I think another fast forward is a possiblity and Tammy/Victor taking it could explain some of the observed timing.


Again, I have only been watch AR for a few seasons.  But I don't think a RB with one partner doing the task while the other heads for the mat is likely in EP9.  AR 14 already did something similar in Siberia, but it was planned where Margie could taxi near Luke for a short part of the way.  The partner doing the task was escorted ALL the way.  In deference to Luke's inability to communicate, I don't think they will completely separate M/L or isolate Luke for any long period of time especially with anything involving transportation from place A to place B.

In the clips that I have seen, admittedly I have only seen 2, I don't think you get enough of a shot of T/V to determine if they have a journal similar to the one seen held by Margie and Kisha.  Or because T/V are not upset or involved directly in the meltdown, they may have stowed the journal in their backpack.  Too big for the travel pouch?

Is it unlikely that EP9 has a U-Turn, maybe 10 will or possibly 11.  Why waste a U-turn in an leg when you already have a team that is toast?  Save it for an leg when you want to create suspense!

Not comfortable with the FF in EP9 either.  If it was a FF attempted by T/V, wouldn't T/V have arrived much earlier and have already left the mat area, i.e.  not still be around for the meltdown.  Of course, T/V could attempt the FF and perform badly enough to justify the "Our parents will cry themselves to death" line.  This might cause them to arrive at the mat at approximately the same time as M/L and J/K.  In effect, the FF takes as long as the standard task?...  Doesn't seem reasonable even for T/V, unless Victor gets stubborn again.

M/L and J/K are battling it down to the mat, so no FF attempt there.

According to my understanding, the FF is presented fairly early before the RB or Detour, but I may not have that right.  So J/C are not FFing either since Jaime apparently does "her thing" with a dance judge.  The dance item is also on the clue held by Luke(?) - I think.  This logic leads me to believe that no one does a FF in EP9.

This should be an exciting episode.  Especially, if it is so close that multiple teams arrive at the mat on each others heels again.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 16, 2009, 12:12:45 PM
I doubt there's a Fast Forward.  I'm pretty sure that the Phuket, Thailand, leg had the only Fast Forward in it.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 16, 2009, 12:53:13 PM
I believe there was only one Fast Forward this season and it already came and gone. No one took it.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 16, 2009, 12:59:18 PM
I doubt there's a Fast Forward.  I'm pretty sure that the Phuket, Thailand, leg had the only Fast Forward in it.
Thats what we hear. Only 1 FF was available this season and thats that. As far as the U-Turn I have no idea when and where it might be and I think they are pre-planned FLFan. TPTB don't just stick them where they want just like the NEL legs. And when the next NEL is one could only guess so I'll guess its leg 10 but really have no idea at this point.
If you follow Phils blog he states that the Sisters and Marge/Luke come in mere seconds of each other. What the placings are I don't know but for sure not last.
I'll go with the Mark and Michael being eliminated with the evidence posted through out this topic.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: apskip on April 16, 2009, 01:39:39 PM
FAST FORWARD opportunities are available typically in a clue packet in conjunction with either ROADBLOCKs or DETOURs. I have changed my mind of the possibility of a FAST FORWARD being all that could save Mark/Michael because the maximum 3 hours saved would mean little to them since other teams will be finished before they arrive.

I now think that the only thing that can save them is hours of operation starting around 6pm and lasting until sometime arfter they arrive and complete all prior tasks. The probability of that is very small.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 16, 2009, 05:44:39 PM
We have seen one Hours of Operation and that was in Siberia at the dam.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: CABoSoxFan on April 16, 2009, 05:53:41 PM
HI All, I tend to lurk more than posting, but this is just an observation.  I've noticed in the last few TAR previews they haven't been showing much on the 1st place teams.  The previews we have seen lately haven't featured much on Cara/Jaime, so I have to safely assume the following order:

1st - Cara/Jaime (have no clue, no previews on them)
2nd - Lakisha/Jen (based on Neobie's observations)
3rd - Tammy/Victor
4th - Margie/Luke (either 1st or 4th - LOL)
5th - Michael/Mark (based on spoilers)

So, if my theory proves correct, then remember I said it!   :waves:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: scruffs on April 16, 2009, 06:50:15 PM
has there had been any instance where both a speedbump and u-turn were on a same leg....
i really don't think so....
usually u-turns or yields are placed on non-elimination legs.... well except on the leg where kris and jon were eliminated.... actually i'm hoping that it was a NEL but it turned out to be an elimination one....

hey raymond, i don't know about the kisha-jen dislike :duno: .... i just believe they can't win this whole thing.... and in the preview where she battled her way out to the clue against luke,,, i mean there is a clue for every team, why do a bad stuff like that, unless they are the last team and they are aware of it!

i'm still hoping mark and michael survived the speedbump, i don't think that the fact that they are at least 5hours behind the first team will be a factor for them to stay in the last,,, usually when flights are considered, they all end up having the same flight (in this case to guilin, china) i'm crossing my fingers.... :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 16, 2009, 07:09:27 PM
has there had been any instance where both a speedbump and u-turn were on a same leg....
i really don't think so....
Yes.  Kynt & Vyxsin's final leg in India had both a Speed Bump and a U-Turn.  They had to do yoga for a while, just before Kynt made the stupid decision of ignoring Vyxsin's very good argument and U-Turning the already-in-front-of-them Nicolas & Donald.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: scruffs on April 16, 2009, 07:18:14 PM
has there had been any instance where both a speedbump and u-turn were on a same leg....
i really don't think so....
Yes.  Kynt & Vyxsin's final leg in India had both a Speed Bump and a U-Turn.  They had to do yoga for a while, just before Kynt made the stupid decision of ignoring Vyxsin's very good argument and U-Turning the already-in-front-of-them Nicolas & Donald.

oh yeah, thank you, i remember that, they should have u-turned jen and nate
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Hooky on April 16, 2009, 07:23:12 PM
I doubt there's a Fast Forward.  I'm pretty sure that the Phuket, Thailand, leg had the only Fast Forward in it.
Thats what we hear. Only 1 FF was available this season and thats that. As far as the U-Turn I have no idea when and where it might be and I think they are pre-planned FLFan. TPTB don't just stick them where they want just like the NEL legs. And when the next NEL is one could only guess so I'll guess its leg 10 but really have no idea at this point.
If you follow Phils blog he states that the Sisters and Marge/Luke come in mere seconds of each other. What the placings are I don't know but for sure not last.
I'll go with the Mark and Michael being eliminated with the evidence posted through out this topic.

That's why in All-Stars there was a Yield on the leg where Uchenna & Joyce fell way far behind.

I do believe that there was only one Fast Forward but I'm not liking that idea at all. We need Fast Forwards to at least be shown! Then we can wait and see if anyone will take it, rather than knowing that there is no chance of anything surprising happening.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: redskevin88 on April 16, 2009, 07:30:43 PM


2. If the task is a Detour, then there is NO U-TURN. It would not make any logical sense if the U-turn was at the pitstop.
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Maybe there is a second fast-forward and Tammy and Victor took it?
[/quote]

redskinskevin88:
It is not a high probabilty, but yes I think another fast forward is a possiblity and Tammy/Victor taking it could explain some of the observed timing.

[/quote]


Not comfortable with the FF in EP9 either.  If it was a FF attempted by T/V, wouldn't T/V have arrived much earlier and have already left the mat area, i.e.  not still be around for the meltdown.  Of course, T/V could attempt the FF and perform badly enough to justify the "Our parents will cry themselves to death" line.  This might cause them to arrive at the mat at approximately the same time as M/L and J/K.  In effect, the FF takes as long as the standard task?...  Doesn't seem reasonable even for T/V, unless Victor gets stubborn again.

[/quote]

There have been occasions in previous ARs, that teams that take the fast-forward, lose out to teams that didn't take the fast forward, for eg. on one ocassion in amazing race all-stars.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Cocoa on April 16, 2009, 07:40:47 PM
peace....
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 16, 2009, 08:00:52 PM
Or what if Jaime and Cara took the FF? They didn't seem to be around either at last or second to the last......
No, the Web clues say they do a Detour, so I doubt there's a Fast Forward on this leg.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Cocoa on April 16, 2009, 08:09:39 PM
sorry...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 16, 2009, 08:26:16 PM
I give up .........
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 16, 2009, 08:48:16 PM
You need to take that taser from your boyfriend. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 16, 2009, 08:56:57 PM
You need to take that taser from your boyfriend. :lol:
Thats not a bad idea  :lol:
When peach & I write that we heard there was only 1 Fast Forward and it was not used then why are we still talking about a possible Fast Forward?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 16, 2009, 09:39:51 PM
I don't know. People want to believe. They keep hope alive, only to be disappointed.

puddin, you and I have to take some people to the RFF belt room to punish them. :lol:

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 16, 2009, 09:43:12 PM
You need to take that taser from your boyfriend. :lol:
Thats not a bad idea  :lol:
When peach & I write that we heard there was only 1 Fast Forward and it was not used then why are we still talking about a possible Fast Forward?

I quit talking about a 2nd FF when the more informed told me that there was only one.

The thing that bothers me is why everyone keeps talking as if M/M have a chance.  According to supplied eyewitness report(s), they are hours behind.  From what I am understanding, they are so far behind that Phil may need to do a "Toni/Dallas" on them so that production can move on to the next leg.

Like I said, I am expecting an exciting EP9 with 3 teams arriving within a very short time.  My DVR is set and ready with extra time allowed in case my Sunday evening runs late and I don't get home as expected.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 16, 2009, 09:47:56 PM
Like I said, I am expecting an exciting EP9 with 3 teams arriving within a very short time.  My DVR is set and ready with extra time allowed in case my Sunday evening runs late and I don't get home as expected.
You don't have to worry about an overrun this week. In fact we're done with overruns for the rest of the season. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 16, 2009, 10:13:50 PM
Like I said, I am expecting an exciting EP9 with 3 teams arriving within a very short time.  My DVR is set and ready with extra time allowed in case my Sunday evening runs late and I don't get home as expected.
You don't have to worry about an overrun this week. In fact we're done with overruns for the rest of the season. :tup:
Great news for all in EST and CST!  Now, ALL timezones can start on time! ;D
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 16, 2009, 10:20:45 PM
Like I said, I am expecting an exciting EP9 with 3 teams arriving within a very short time.  My DVR is set and ready with extra time allowed in case my Sunday evening runs late and I don't get home as expected.
You don't have to worry about an overrun this week. In fact we're done with overruns for the rest of the season. :tup:

No more "scheduled" overruns.  (I saw that in a previous post.)  However, there is always the chance of major breaking news, presidential announcement, or something else completely unexpected to cause a delay.  I have a DVR, so I might as well use its functions.  One of my co-workers missed everything in the second half of last week because she forgot to set hers!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Cocoa on April 16, 2009, 10:33:14 PM
sorry...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 16, 2009, 10:39:44 PM
You don't have to worry about an overrun this week. In fact we're done with overruns for the rest of the season. :tup:

No more "scheduled" overruns.  (I saw that in a previous post.)  However, there is always the chance of major breaking news, presidential announcement, or something else completely unexpected to cause a delay.  I have a DVR, so I might as well use its functions.  One of my co-workers missed everything in the second half of last week because she forgot to set hers!
Yeah, there's the remote possibility of breaking news on a Sunday night, but a Presidential announcement usually is saved for a weeknight. I agree, you never know, but I'm willing to throw the dice on Sunday. :tup:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 16, 2009, 10:51:26 PM
Sorry for the "hope-there-is-a-fast-forward"....

Okay.. I now quit talking about that..... but i don't recall a violation TALKING about that.....

As a children of God, we must not take matters at hand by using punishment.

PEACE!!!!
I guess I'm sick of reading it over and over and over ....... same goes with the U-Turn :badhorse:
Now back to our previously interrupted topic :carryon:

God? is that you? :hides
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Max on April 16, 2009, 10:55:21 PM
You don't have to worry about an overrun this week. In fact we're done with overruns for the rest of the season. :tup:

No more "scheduled" overruns.  (I saw that in a previous post.)  However, there is always the chance of major breaking news, presidential announcement, or something else completely unexpected to cause a delay.  I have a DVR, so I might as well use its functions.  One of my co-workers missed everything in the second half of last week because she forgot to set hers!
Yeah, there's the remote possibility of breaking news on a Sunday night, but a Presidential announcement usually is saved for a weeknight. I agree, you never know, but I'm willing to throw the dice on Sunday. :tup:


Ahhhh-the voice of reason resonates.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 16, 2009, 11:05:44 PM
Sorry for the "hope-there-is-a-fast-forward"....

Okay.. I now quit talking about that..... but i don't recall a violation TALKING about that.....

As a children of God, we must not take matters at hand by using punishment.

PEACE!!!!
I guess I'm sick of reading it over and over and over ....... same goes with the U-Turn :badhorse:
Now back to our previously interrupted topic :carryon:

God? is that you? :hides
I'm telling you ..... get that taser!  :taze :taze :taze :taze :taze :taze :taze :taze :taze
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 16, 2009, 11:14:48 PM

I'm telling you ..... get that taser!  :taze :taze :taze :taze :taze :taze :taze :taze :taze
...gets the taser and heads to the Philippines  :yess:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: mswood on April 16, 2009, 11:20:05 PM
It's like "mushpants" was still posting....
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: littlewop on April 16, 2009, 11:27:40 PM
I think the reason that Luke and Jen are fighting is for 1st place.  The sisters have never finished in first place.  
To explain how L/J managed to catch up to the rest of them (we know they were at least 50 minutes behind last leg), I would assume those 4 teams are on the same flight.
So either C/J sailed right thru everything and checked in 1st and had already left the mat area, or they are the team that has the problem with the Dancing task, and check in 4th, after the meltdown.  
So based on how J/L & M/L are acting at the mat, (M/L MAD, J/L almost smug in one photo) I venture that...
1st Jen & La Kisha
2nd Margie & Luke
3rd Tammy & Victor
4th Jaime & Cara
5th Mark & Michael
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: littlewop on April 16, 2009, 11:35:05 PM
My second theory is that J/C are indeed the 1st team to check in, and are already away from the mat area when the melt down occurs.  M/L & J/L are 2nd & 3rd, and Tammy & Victor are 4th because they are the team having problems with the dance.  This explains their departure next elimination.  Also the title "Our parents..." because they couldn't understand or learn a dance that is part of their heritage.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Zack. on April 16, 2009, 11:44:59 PM
My second theory is that J/C are indeed the 1st team to check in, and are already away from the mat area when the melt down occurs.  M/L & J/L are 2nd & 3rd, and Tammy & Victor are 4th because they are the team having problems with the dance.  This explains their departure next elimination.  Also the title "Our parents..." because they couldn't understand or learn a dance that is part of their heritage.

The next elimination is two legs after this one (leg 11), as the first Beijing leg is certain to be an NEL. One task really isn't enough to give a team problems for three legs. Not to mention, all of the evidence shows Jaime as being the racer having problems with the judge of the dance.

Maybe the title is Jen or Kisha about their behavior at the Pit Stop?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 17, 2009, 12:29:07 AM
I don't think so.  They seem very much proud of their behavior toward Luke.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: scruffs on April 17, 2009, 12:43:02 AM
make me dislike kisha and jen more....
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 01:27:23 AM
It's like "mushpants" was still posting....
  :lol: .. OH! that now banned person
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: mswood on April 17, 2009, 01:29:26 AM
 :lol: :jam:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: redskevin88 on April 17, 2009, 01:43:28 AM
They haven't shown a fast-forward all season...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 17, 2009, 02:11:29 AM
They haven't shown a fast-forward all season...
That's because there was one, the season's only one, and it wasn't taken.  It was on the Phuket, Thailand, leg.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: scruffs on April 17, 2009, 03:20:03 AM
They haven't shown a fast-forward all season...
That's because there was one, the season's only one, and it wasn't taken.  It was on the Phuket, Thailand, leg.
why didn't anyone took the fastforward?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: redskevin88 on April 17, 2009, 03:32:32 AM
They haven't shown a fast-forward all season...
That's because there was one, the season's only one, and it wasn't taken.  It was on the Phuket, Thailand, leg.
why didn't anyone took the fastforward?

I finally found something at http://www.fancast.com/blogs/category/the-amazing-race/. According to Mel and Mike it involved money, which teams did not have...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 17, 2009, 04:48:02 AM
After 2 pages of really, really long and repeated arguments of speculations about U-turns, Fast Forwards and the like...  :ascared :groan:
For those people who would like to know whether there are fast forwards, u-turns, etc. Let's just wait and see how this episode ends... It's weekend already anyway Let's all be peaceful!  :hearts: :ghug: :hearts:

PEACE OUT!
----

BACK TO SPECULATING...

I actually agree with littlewop's first theory/speculation that K/J and M/L are running for first place. Based on the preview(which I really, really got addicted to... :lol:), while Margie was expressing her sentiments about Luke's signing and they laughing about it, no part of the screen had Tammy or Victor's shirt color, hand or any body part for that matter. I just don't know if it was shot after Tammy/Victor had left the mat (If I were them, why would I stay so long there anyway, I might get in the middle of things making it harder for me to run the race...)

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 17, 2009, 08:09:11 AM
After 2 pages of really, really long and repeated arguments of speculations about U-turns, Fast Forwards and the like...  :ascared :groan:
For those people who would like to know whether there are fast forwards, u-turns, etc. Let's just wait and see how this episode ends... It's weekend already anyway Let's all be peaceful!  :hearts: :ghug: :hearts:

PEACE OUT!
----

BACK TO SPECULATING...

I actually agree with littlewop's first theory/speculation that K/J and M/L are running for first place. Based on the preview(which I really, really got addicted to... :lol:), while Margie was expressing her sentiments about Luke's signing and they laughing about it, no part of the screen had Tammy or Victor's shirt color, hand or any body part for that matter. I just don't know if it was shot after Tammy/Victor had left the mat (If I were them, why would I stay so long there anyway, I might get in the middle of things making it harder for me to run the race...)



I like the speculation, but I like it to be based on KNOWN or reasonably possible factors.  Once there is known, or reasonable clear, contradicting information to something happening and people continue to talk about it, it is no longer speculation, it is simply fantasy.  Maybe we need a fantasy thread?

Now to the other topic, why do you say there is no evidence of T/V at the mat during the argument portion of the clip?

Margie, holding the journal,  says "He's signing and their laughing at him!". Skip back to K/J, Kisha dismissively says "Whatever".  You can see Victor BEHIND and to the right of Kisha.  You can only see a 1/3 of his slightly bowed head, but to me it is clearly Victor.

Back to M/L, with Margie speaking, "He's lived with this his", back to K/J with Margie still talking off camera, "whole life. And he doesn't", back to  M/L, Margie still speaking "need it from people like you".  Then to Luke only, with him throwing his hands out and walking away.  During the M/L portion starting at "need it", you can see Tammy's ponytail to Margie's left.  Tammy is not quite even with Margie, just maybe a half step behind her.  At least the height, hair color, skin tone, and style of pony tail is right for Tammy.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 17, 2009, 09:45:42 AM
Tammy/Victor can be seen in the clip, but there came one point when Margie was so infuriated, there seems to be no one at the side or back of her, if their proximities are very close, shouldn't a small portion of Tammy be seen in the picture? If indeed they are there, Kudos to the camera crew who shot that!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: littlewop on April 17, 2009, 10:00:10 AM
Have any of the clips or promos shown Jaime & Cara yet?  I don't remember seeing them at all.  I just wish we had more info on them this leg beside speculation.  We know who goes home, what I want to know is the other 4 positions.  Why haven't they shown any pics of J/C?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Belle Book on April 17, 2009, 10:59:32 AM
Well, obviously either Cara & Jamie already checked in before the mat meltdown, or they arrive afterwards.  As I'm hoping the NFL cheerleaders win a leg, I'm going with option #1.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 17, 2009, 11:01:52 AM
Tammy/Victor can be seen in the clip, but there came one point when Margie was so infuriated, there seems to be no one at the side or back of her, if their proximities are very close, shouldn't a small portion of Tammy be seen in the picture? If indeed they are there, Kudos to the camera crew who shot that!

I think the portion of the clip that you are talking about is shown around/after the running, blocking, and colliding at the second clue box?  (I am not at home so I can't review it.  Work - lunch - checking in, no access to video!)  They show Margie, infuriated! and possibly horrified?  If you look back when that portion starts, you can see Margie (at least I think it is Margie, the pinkish color shirt is correct) just starting to come down the steps as Jen and Luke run body blocking each other as they leave from the step area.  I think the cut they are showing of Margie's expression is her reaction to the race and it's results at the clue box.  As far as I can tell, it was not at the mat. It was "on the beach", at least I think it is a beach....

My question is:  Don't both team members have to be present, NEXT to each other, to open the clue?  Margie is still coming down the steps trailing Luke by 20 feet or more.  Kisha doesn't seem to be in sight, still paying off the taxi or far enough behind Margie on the steps that I can't see her....  So WHY all the pushing and shoving.  Unless maybe they are battling it out for first or at least think they are.  They can be fairly sure they are not going to be last since they should know that M/M didn't make their plane.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: NoluckBoston on April 17, 2009, 11:16:00 AM
Well I  just watch a clip and it showed Jamie and Cara dancing and Luke getting bit by a duck.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: gator27 on April 17, 2009, 11:20:49 AM
Tammy/Victor can be seen in the clip, but there came one point when Margie was so infuriated, there seems to be no one at the side or back of her, if their proximities are very close, shouldn't a small portion of Tammy be seen in the picture? If indeed they are there, Kudos to the camera crew who shot that!

I think the portion of the clip that you are talking about is shown around/after the running, blocking, and colliding at the second clue box?  (I am not at home so I can't review it.  Work - lunch - checking in, no access to video!)  They show Margie, infuriated! and possibly horrified?  If you look back when that portion starts, you can see Margie (at least I think it is Margie, the pinkish color shirt is correct) just starting to come down the steps as Jen and Luke run body blocking each other as they leave from the step area.  I think the cut they are showing of Margie's expression is her reaction to the race and it's results at the clue box.  As far as I can tell, it was not at the mat. It was "on the beach", at least I think it is a beach....

My question is:  Don't both team members have to be present, NEXT to each other, to open the clue?  Margie is still coming down the steps trailing Luke by 20 feet or more.  Kisha doesn't seem to be in sight, still paying off the taxi or far enough behind Margie on the steps that I can't see her....  So WHY all the pushing and shoving.  Unless maybe they are battling it out for first or at least think they are.  They can be fairly sure they are not going to be last since they should know that M/M didn't make their plane.

Sometimes be first to a clue box is important.  If a team was heading toward a U-turn sign, you would want to be first (or at least ahead of the closest team).  And you might want to be first for a sign up.

Having said that, I do not see a U-turn sign near the clue box that could prompt such an action.  Maybe an early clue warned teams that a race event was ahead.

Gator 27
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 17, 2009, 11:24:21 AM
Well, obviously either Cara & Jamie already checked in before the mat meltdown, or they arrive afterwards.  As I'm hoping the NFL cheerleaders win a leg, I'm going with option #1.

Belle Book


I wouldn't mind J/C winning this leg either.  Not happy with Jaime's ugly america side!  However, they both seem to work hard at the tasks, make good choices on detours (and about getting their stuff BEFORE leaving the dock), and, other than losing their taxicab briefly in India, they have been improving their finishing positions.  The way I interpret the India leg, not being able to find their taxicab immediately cost them about 2 positions.  They finished the task before K/J and M/L, but had to find their cab before leaving for the pit stop.

As I said before, J/C should have the advantage when it comes to learning a dance routine.   Hopefully, Jaime's incident with the dance judge is only her usual grumpiness and does not cause them to totally mess up.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: gator27 on April 17, 2009, 11:25:32 AM
Tammy/Victor can be seen in the clip, but there came one point when Margie was so infuriated, there seems to be no one at the side or back of her, if their proximities are very close, shouldn't a small portion of Tammy be seen in the picture? If indeed they are there, Kudos to the camera crew who shot that!

As 2 (or 3) teams approach the mat, usually the later team stays a few feet away until Phil summons them to the mat to join the earlier team.

I don't think that the order (left to right) of the teams on the mat tells us the order of arrival.  The main reason that T&V are in the middle is to separate the other bickering teams.

Gator 27
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: littlewop on April 17, 2009, 11:28:23 AM
Well I  just watch a clip and it showed Jamie and Cara dancing and Luke getting bit by a duck.
Haven't seen that clip yet, do you have a link, or any more info from it?
Thanks
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 11:29:31 AM
Well I  just watch a clip and it showed Jamie and Cara dancing and Luke getting bit by a duck.
Where? or are you joking?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 11:32:40 AM
This is the only new thing I saw ..

Kisha: this is getting ugly
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: NoluckBoston on April 17, 2009, 11:40:00 AM
Nope, it was just on TV  during my local noon news.  I'd say around 12.15.

Jamie and Cara are dancing with locals. They were in good spirits.

Luke and Marge were in a canoe and a duck bite Luke on the hand. This followed by a shot of them signing at the pit spot " Luke says he will never like birds again. His hand had some blood on it.

Then there were the same shots of the "battle between Luke, Marge, Lakisha and Jenn.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 11:45:00 AM
Nope, it was just on TV  during my local noon news.  I'd say around 12.15.

Jamie and Cara are dancing with locals. They were in good spirits.

Luke and Marge were in a canoe and a duck bite Luke on the hand. This followed by a shot of them signing at the pit spot " Luke says he will never like birds again. His hand had some blood on it.

Then there were the same shots of the "battle between Luke, Marge, Lakisha and Jenn.
My local news has dropped their news altogether, sadly, and have opted for info commercials so I didn't get this but am recording now. Thanks for the heads up NoLuck :)

ps. if you see it again will you please note the time please because I don't watch CBS soaps.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 17, 2009, 11:47:43 AM
puddin is running that DVR every day. It's no wonder why her taser-carrying boyfriend is puzzled why the DVR is so full. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: rpierson915 on April 17, 2009, 11:57:52 AM
I noticed in the pictures of the teams at the mat, that one of the sisters has something on her hand...I don't know if it is blood, ink, grease or what. Does anybody have any ideas and what this might mean? :duno:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 12:11:07 PM
I noticed in the pictures of the teams at the mat, that one of the sisters has something on her hand...I don't know if it is blood, ink, grease or what. Does anybody have any ideas and what this might mean? :duno:
It's most likely coal, from a task at the mines as noted by kaad a few pages back.


Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 12:15:05 PM
puddin is running that DVR every day. It's no wonder why her taser-carrying boyfriend is puzzled why the DVR is so full. :lol:
haha .. actually its a DVR Recorder that records to a disc and then I have my PC hardware that lets me record right on my pc which is way cool! We might have to wait until the Ghost whisperer to see that extended promo .. sigh
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: NoluckBoston on April 17, 2009, 12:16:36 PM


Lol Peach I don't watch soaps either. I will try to stomach it lol.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: NoluckBoston on April 17, 2009, 12:28:35 PM
1.27 at the end of the young and restless. just saw it.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: gator27 on April 17, 2009, 01:06:24 PM
1.27 at the end of the young and restless. just saw it.
This just cracks me up.  The lengths that this group goes to.  And all for a most excellent show.

You guys rock. :jam:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 17, 2009, 01:09:29 PM
puddin is running that DVR every day. It's no wonder why her taser-carrying boyfriend is puzzled why the DVR is so full. :lol:
haha .. actually its a DVR Recorder that records to a disc and then I have my PC hardware that lets me record right on my pc which is way cool! We might have to wait until the Ghost whisperer to see that extended promo .. sigh

Not be a smart a**, but DVR stands for Digital Video Recorder.  If it isn't recording to a Hard Drive (or some other memory media), it isn't a DVR.  It's just a cable box or converter or whatever.

Unfortunately, my HD DVR is a bit primitive in function and I can't transfer from it directly to my pc.  Hoping that the new model scheduled for release later this year will allow me that function.

GH is a rerun tonight, but I left it scheduled on my DVR, hoping to record a new promo!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 01:19:03 PM
1.27 at the end of the young and restless. just saw it.
Oh your a doll! brb!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 17, 2009, 01:21:46 PM
Well, obviously either Cara & Jamie already checked in before the mat meltdown, or they arrive afterwards.  As I'm hoping the NFL cheerleaders win a leg, I'm going with option #1.
I am, too, and am hopeful that this is what happens.  Any dancing-related Detour can move much faster than whatever the others are going to be doing.  (See: Slap It vs. Break It in TAR9.)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 01:28:21 PM
puddin is running that DVR every day. It's no wonder why her taser-carrying boyfriend is puzzled why the DVR is so full. :lol:
haha .. actually its a DVR Recorder that records to a disc and then I have my PC hardware that lets me record right on my pc which is way cool! We might have to wait until the Ghost whisperer to see that extended promo .. sigh

Not be a smart a**, but DVR stands for Digital Video Recorder.  If it isn't recording to a Hard Drive (or some other memory media), it isn't a DVR.  It's just a cable box or converter or whatever.

Unfortunately, my HD DVR is a bit primitive in function and I can't transfer from it directly to my pc.  Hoping that the new model scheduled for release later this year will allow me that function.

GH is a rerun tonight, but I left it scheduled on my DVR, hoping to record a new promo!
okay so what I have is called a DVDR  :tup:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 17, 2009, 01:29:06 PM
Anticipating the new promo!

I don't think RFF was built on blind speculation; random musings may be fun, we've always been more keen on the analyzing than the guessing... (What FLFan said!) That said, here's a more mathematical approach to the possible arrival orders of the trio...

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0055.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0061.jpg)

Margie's standing at the left edge of the oval pattern, which places her around one-fifth from the left side of the plaque rectangle (http://img.blog.163.com/photo/k4LJ8-YAonyFot6p1hBe0Q==/5368572230802467325.jpg). We see her talking to Phil to the right of the cameraman, and directly behind her is the tip of the Moon Tower. From that we construct the below diagram.

There's only one approach onto the platform pier. Given the way the teams and Phil are arranged, doesn't it suggest the order our three teams arrived? (Remember: teams are unlikely to scramble onto the raised plaque, run three-quarters of 360° around Phil and the greeter, or cut between Phil and earlier teams.)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 01:30:29 PM
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Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: littlewop on April 17, 2009, 01:45:31 PM
While I appreciate all the scientific mumbo jumbo and what not...LOL... used to figure out who is on the mat first, we are all forgetting one thing...the first team may have stepped to the side either on their own accord or at Phil's direction.  And that step could be to the left or the right with Phil then motioning them back in after .  For all we know, they walked away arguing, and Phil summoned the teams back to the mat.  Or the way they were fighting, they simply could have oushed the other team out of the way.  This may have to wait until Sunday to know exactly what happens.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 02:07:27 PM
Video:

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Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: NoluckBoston on April 17, 2009, 02:11:25 PM
Thanks Puddin.

great work :yess:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 02:16:00 PM
nice team work NoLuck and I we do appreciate it

and oh looky looky :...the brothers are toast!


WYOU 2 Tue, Apr 21
3:00 PM Bonnie Hunt Show New
Jorge Garcia; Eliza Dushku. Also: the latest team eliminated from "Amazing Race 14."
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 17, 2009, 03:06:40 PM
To hell with the eliminated team, I'm watching for Eliza!!!! :yess: :yess: :yess:

I'm stealing that promo for the blog if you don't mind.  :waves: :waves:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 03:15:48 PM
To hell with the eliminated team, I'm watching for Eliza!!!! :yess: :yess: :yess:

I'm stealing that promo for the blog if you don't mind.  :waves: :waves:
Of course Ken its alll yours! Too bad the full screen promo was up after Bonnie Hunt and I'm feeling too lazy for a re-do right now :P
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 17, 2009, 03:18:58 PM
Thanks to the Eliza mention, I changed my av! :yess:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 04:19:45 PM
Anticipating the new promo!

I don't think RFF was built on blind speculation; random musings may be fun, we've always been more keen on the analyzing than the guessing... (What FLFan said!) That said, here's a more mathematical approach to the possible arrival orders of the trio...

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0055.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0061.jpg)

Margie's standing at the left edge of the oval pattern, which places her around one-fifth from the left side of the plaque rectangle (http://img.blog.163.com/photo/k4LJ8-YAonyFot6p1hBe0Q==/5368572230802467325.jpg). We see her talking to Phil to the right of the cameraman, and directly behind her is the tip of the Moon Tower. From that we construct the below diagram.

There's only one approach onto the platform pier. Given the way the teams and Phil are arranged, doesn't it suggest the order our three teams arrived? (Remember: teams are unlikely to scramble onto the raised plaque, run three-quarters of 360° around Phil and the greeter, or cut between Phil and earlier teams.)

My take is that Luke and Marge are not happy that Kisha and Jen beat them to the pitstop. Where Tammy/Vic and Cara/Jamie place is ones guess.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 17, 2009, 05:45:32 PM
Anticipating the new promo!

I don't think RFF was built on blind speculation; random musings may be fun, we've always been more keen on the analyzing than the guessing... (What FLFan said!) That said, here's a more mathematical approach to the possible arrival orders of the trio...

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0055.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0061.jpg)

Margie's standing at the left edge of the oval pattern, which places her around one-fifth from the left side of the plaque rectangle (http://img.blog.163.com/photo/k4LJ8-YAonyFot6p1hBe0Q==/5368572230802467325.jpg). We see her talking to Phil to the right of the cameraman, and directly behind her is the tip of the Moon Tower. From that we construct the below diagram.

There's only one approach onto the platform pier. Given the way the teams and Phil are arranged, doesn't it suggest the order our three teams arrived? (Remember: teams are unlikely to scramble onto the raised plaque, run three-quarters of 360° around Phil and the greeter, or cut between Phil and earlier teams.)

My take is that Luke and Marge are not happy that Kisha and Jen beat them to the pitstop. Where Tammy/Vic and Cara/Jamie place is ones guess.

Actually my take is that K/J and M/L were neck'n'neck until the fishing/duck thing.  The fishing thing being after the 2 clue box smackdowns!  Then Luke got bit and it put M/L behind K/J, since the bite had to be examined and filmed!!  Margie may not be happy with K/J beating them, but her outrage is directed at K/J for their treatment of Luke.  Their dismissiveness and snickering are only making her madder.

The newest promo shows C/J dancing together so it is clearly not a RB.  I am speculating that dancing is one of the detour options and T/V opted to do that also.  In the picture where the dance lady is giggling behind her hand, the jacket appears to belong to Victor, unless I got my colors mixed up. T/V thereby missed the smackdowns, but got caught in the mat meltdown!  Probably M/L decided to forego the dancing option as possibly did K/J, which is why we only saw those 2 teams in action in the previous promos.

Irregardless of language barriers and Jaime's reported Ugly American problem with the dance judge, I am still firmly of the opinion that C/J smoke their detour.  Speculating that C/J are 1st and long gone before the mat meltdown.  T/V have problems with learning the routine, hence the giggling, so are delayed a bit behind C/J.

To keep M/L's 1st or 4th string going, I speculate:  C/J, K/J, T/V and M/L at the mat.  M/M arrive in Guilin after the fat lady has sang and are met at the first clue box by Phil.

Of course, once I get home and step thru the promo, I may change my mind.

FLFan 
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 17, 2009, 05:51:37 PM
You made some nice educated guesses, FLFan. :tup:

For me, I feel the Fast Forward will come into play when Jaime/Cara .... just joking! :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 05:51:51 PM
The web clue tells us that the dancing is a detour. The lady laughing with the jacket that we see might be Luke or Marge?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: littlewop on April 17, 2009, 05:53:02 PM
People are speculating that T/V arrived between L/M  & J/K, the only problem with that is Phil has said that L/M  & J/K arrive within moments of each other.   So I think whatever the arrival order is, Luke & Margie  &  Jen & Kisha arrive back to back in some order.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Belle Book on April 17, 2009, 06:26:05 PM
Anticipating the new promo!

I don't think RFF was built on blind speculation; random musings may be fun, we've always been more keen on the analyzing than the guessing... (What FLFan said!) That said, here's a more mathematical approach to the possible arrival orders of the trio...

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0055.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0061.jpg)

Margie's standing at the left edge of the oval pattern, which places her around one-fifth from the left side of the plaque rectangle (http://img.blog.163.com/photo/k4LJ8-YAonyFot6p1hBe0Q==/5368572230802467325.jpg). We see her talking to Phil to the right of the cameraman, and directly behind her is the tip of the Moon Tower. From that we construct the below diagram.

There's only one approach onto the platform pier. Given the way the teams and Phil are arranged, doesn't it suggest the order our three teams arrived? (Remember: teams are unlikely to scramble onto the raised plaque, run three-quarters of 360° around Phil and the greeter, or cut between Phil and earlier teams.)

My take is that Luke and Marge are not happy that Kisha and Jen beat them to the pitstop. Where Tammy/Vic and Cara/Jamie place is ones guess.

Actually my take is that K/J and M/L were neck'n'neck until the fishing/duck thing.  The fishing thing being after the 2 clue box smackdowns!  Then Luke got bit and it put M/L behind K/J, since the bite had to be examined and filmed!!  Margie may not be happy with K/J beating them, but her outrage is directed at K/J for their treatment of Luke.  Their dismissiveness and snickering are only making her madder.

The newest promo shows C/J dancing together so it is clearly not a RB.  I am speculating that dancing is one of the detour options and T/V opted to do that also.  In the picture where the dance lady is giggling behind her hand, the jacket appears to belong to Victor, unless I got my colors mixed up. T/V thereby missed the smackdowns, but got caught in the mat meltdown!  Probably M/L decided to forego the dancing option as possibly did K/J, which is why we only saw those 2 teams in action in the previous promos.

Irregardless of language barriers and Jaime's reported Ugly American problem with the dance judge, I am still firmly of the opinion that C/J smoke their detour.  Speculating that C/J are 1st and long gone before the mat meltdown.  T/V have problems with learning the routine, hence the giggling, so are delayed a bit behind C/J.

To keep M/L's 1st or 4th string going, I speculate:  C/J, K/J, T/V and M/L at the mat.  M/M arrive in Guilin after the fat lady has sang and are met at the first clue box by Phil.

Of course, once I get home and step thru the promo, I may change my mind.

FLFan 

I agree with you that Cara & Jamie come in first.  I think LaKisha & Jen come in second, but I think Margie & Luke come in right behind them.  Tammy & Victor arrive while the other two teams are yelling at each other, having had a lot of problems at the dancing Detour.  Of course, Mark & Michael are Philiminated.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 06:36:27 PM
I'm not sure where this originated ........but if the teams have 45 minutes to kill and then we get that Luke and Marge conf in what is still daylight well then again, this does not bode well for the Brothers sighting at 11pm Guangzhou to Guilin.

I dont remember if it is one of Phil's blogs or a CBS promo, but it said that two teams yell at one another for 45 minutes at/after the mat.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 17, 2009, 06:54:45 PM
The web clue tells us that the dancing is a detour. The lady laughing with the jacket that we see might be Luke or Marge?

M/L passed on a previous musical detour task when given the option.  It is hard enough to learn a routine or dance steps when you have music to guide you, Luke doesn't even have that much assistance.

But what I am looking at is the color of the jacket sleeve of the team member with the giggling lady.  Victor's jacket appears to be exactly the right color - comparing to mat meltdown snapshot.  The stripe on Margie's jacket is about the right color, but it doesn't seem wide enough and may be too puffy to match the dancing snapshot.  Of course, I am probably comparing pictures uploaded by different people, so I could be very, very wrong.

If Phil says K/J and M/L arrive within moments of each other, then:  J/C, K/J, M/L and T/V with M/M failing to arrive in time to participate.  We finally have a break from M/L's first or fourth streak.

FLFan
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: apskip on April 17, 2009, 07:00:56 PM
FLFan,
I believe you mean Margie/Luke's 1st/4th streak. They have not placed 2nd or 3rd.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 17, 2009, 07:03:32 PM
FLFan,
I believe you mean Margie/Luke's 1st/4th streak. They have not placed 2nd or 3rd.

Sorry, I caught and editted it while you were posting.  I read what I meant to type, not what I actually typed.

FLFan
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 17, 2009, 07:16:38 PM
From Phil's blog at Entertainment Weekly, Episode 8

I've been teeing it up for weeks now, and we're finally here: Next week is the most memorable mat meltdown of all time. Margie and Luke vs. Kisha and Jen. These two teams battle throughout the entire leg and end up with mere seconds separating them at the check in. I've never seen two teams go at it like this before and have it carry all the way to the mat.

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/04/amazing-race.html
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 17, 2009, 07:27:24 PM
I'm not sure where this originated ........but if the teams have 45 minutes to kill and then we get that Luke and Marge conf in what is still daylight well then again, this does not bode well for the Brothers sighting at 11pm Guangzhou to Guilin.

It gets better/worse! Looks like Margie and Luke had their argument, got ferried over to the Sheraton, checked-in, and are now lounging by the rooftop pool - all before sunset! (Picture is approximate view, but you see the bridge and the two closer hilltops.)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0015-1.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0015-1.jpg) (http://www.go-guilin.com/upload/img/sight/2005/1/050123093213050122104730025.jpg) (http://www.go-guilin.com/upload/img/sight/2005/1/050123093213050122104730025.jpg)

We might be looking at an extended Guilin stop, but Luke's still wearing his dorky cap, so I'm guessing it's the same day?



For me, I feel the Fast Forward will come into play when Jaime/Cara .... just joking! :lol:

Judging by their reactions, I'd say that Margie and Luke were U-Turned by Kisha/Jen! Then to make it to the mat at the same time as the sisters they'd have to also get the Fast Forward... :taze
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 17, 2009, 07:32:26 PM
Well just a thought, if M/L did get a FF, wouldn't they bypass the detour and roadblock? Hence, they couldn't be U-turned, right?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 17, 2009, 07:34:03 PM
This will be my first wasted post: :groan:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 17, 2009, 07:47:05 PM
FLFan, it looks to me like the giggling dance instructor is actually giggling to Tammy/Victor too :lol: They're the only ones whom I can remember wearing a dark navy blue - black whatever color that is pattern. Kisha/Jen have dominant red shirts, Margie and Luke does foul, and Jaime and Cara are matching doublemint twins....

I wonder what made them think that they do the dance?  :lol: I can imagine them pulling off a line...

**
Detour: _____ or ____
T/V: Let's take the dance cause we're Chinese!
T/V: Our parent's would be so proud!
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T/V (I think Tammy says the quote): Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 17, 2009, 08:02:39 PM
Video:

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Going off-topic for just a moment, I have to ask, puddin.  Do you actually watch the shows the promos you snag come at the end of?  Last week, it was ATWT, and this week, it's Y&R.  I thought I was the only one on the board who watched them!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: redskevin88 on April 17, 2009, 08:38:01 PM
Okay, i know it sounds ridiculous, but what if Margie and Luke and Kisha and Jen were fighting for last? Maybe Tammy/Victor decided to u-turn Margie/Luke to help aviod potential elimination, and Kisha and Jen and Margie and Luke sabotage each other long enough for Mark/Michael to catch up and do the speed bump, maybe roadblock or detour... but Mark/Michael end up last anyway?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 09:57:20 PM

For me, I feel the Fast Forward will come into play when Jaime/Cara .... just joking! :lol:

Judging by their reactions, I'd say that Margie and Luke were U-Turned by Kisha/Jen! Then to make it to the mat at the same time as the sisters they'd have to also get the Fast Forward... :taze
You guys!  :lol:  .. please don't make me go kung fooey on you  :knuckles:

 :jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy: thanks for the Sheraton catch!!


Going off-topic for just a moment, I have to ask, puddin.  Do you actually watch the shows the promos you snag come at the end of?  Last week, it was ATWT, and this is Y&R.  I thought I was the only one on the board who watched them!
The only thing I don't watch are the CBS soaps and other than Lost (ABC) or DOOLS (NBC) I rarely switch off CBS for fear of missing a commercial earning the title *needs a life*  :jumpy: :jumpy:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 17, 2009, 10:08:29 PM

When peach & I write that we heard there was only 1 Fast Forward and it was not used then why are we still talking about a possible Fast Forward?

Amen. Pay attention guys.  ;D
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 17, 2009, 10:17:28 PM
With the new commerical, I kinda understand why Margie feels that way, imagine hearing a lot of mean things about your child. I just hope that this episode turns out a-okay...

Puddin, I admire your sacrifices and perseverance to show everyone here all the videos and the screencaps. Thanks!  :yess: :jumpy: :hearts: :hearts:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 17, 2009, 10:29:21 PM
With the new commerical, I kinda understand why Margie feels that way, imagine hearing a lot of mean things about your child. I just hope that this episode turns out a-okay...

Puddin, I admire your sacrifices and perseverance to show everyone here all the videos and the screencaps. Thanks!  :yess: :jumpy: :hearts: :hearts:
I actually am looking forward to the golf tomorrow  :lol:  :yess:

back to the jackets for a moment..

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0063.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0009-1.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0007.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: NoluckBoston on April 17, 2009, 10:30:20 PM
I wish my job let me stay home and watch the Price is Right more often. They seem to run a lot of commercials during that time.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: littlewop on April 17, 2009, 11:34:47 PM
Looking at the screencaps of the jackets, it looks more like Margie to me than Victor or Tammy...but I'm just a newbie at all this detective stuff.  But if it is a detour, we have pictures of Luke on the boat (comodore?) is that also a detour, or is that the roadblock...then what the heck is the coal from?  Or do Margie & Luke have a hard time at one of the detours so they switch to another?  Okay, I give up, maybe it is Tammy or Victors jacket...LOL
                     :duno:    :duno:    :duno:       :duno:    :duno:    :duno:    :duno:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 18, 2009, 12:33:31 AM
Here's something no one's thought of yet. May sound unlikely, but here goes:

Kisha/Jen & Margie/Luke race for 1st/2nd. Since we are not shown Jaime/Cara checking in, they could be 3rd, but when they get there, Margie/Luke & Kisha/Jen are still arguing. Tammy/Victor are in 4th, but since the fight took so long, they also see the arguing (via pitstop shots). Sound unlikely, but just throwing it out there.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 18, 2009, 01:20:27 AM
People are speculating that T/V arrived between L/M  & J/K, the only problem with that is Phil has said that L/M  & J/K arrive within moments of each other.   So I think whatever the arrival order is, Luke & Margie & Jen & Kisha arrive back to back in some order.
With Tammy & Victor right behind both of their teams.  Yep.  Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 18, 2009, 01:27:51 AM
People are speculating that T/V arrived between L/M  & J/K, the only problem with that is Phil has said that L/M  & J/K arrive within moments of each other.   So I think whatever the arrival order is, Luke & Margie & Jen & Kisha arrive back to back in some order.
With Tammy & Victor right behind both of their teams.  Yep.  Makes sense to me.

True, though I won't rule out T/V arriving between them just yet, since it could be a three-way race (they'd still arrive within moments of each other, except there was a nother team involved).
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: patlini on April 18, 2009, 08:22:07 AM
I get why Margie is so upset, she is just looking out for her son.  all mom's would do the same

The sisters have also gone down in my estimation, laughing at luke
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: gator27 on April 18, 2009, 08:25:34 AM
Looking at the screencaps of the jackets, it looks more like Margie to me than Victor or Tammy...but I'm just a newbie at all this detective stuff.  But if it is a detour, we have pictures of Luke on the boat (comodore?) is that also a detour, or is that the roadblock...then what the heck is the coal from?  Or do Margie & Luke have a hard time at one of the detours so they switch to another?  Okay, I give up, maybe it is Tammy or Victors jacket...LOL
                     :duno:    :duno:    :duno:       :duno:    :duno:    :duno:    :duno:

I think the Detours are Dancing or Fishing.  We have hard video evidence of Margie & Luke fishing (and battling ducks).  Thus the dark grey coat at the Dancing belongs to Victor.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Belle Book on April 18, 2009, 10:10:53 AM
So, if the Fishing thing is a Detour (as I suspect), then LaKisha & Jen and Margie & Luke do the Fishing Detour while Cara & Jamie and Tammy & Victor do the Dancing one.  Cara & Jamie do great but Tammy & Victor struggle while the dancing instructor laughs at Tammy.  So Tammy & Victor most likely comment that their parents will cry themselves to death when they see the siblings dancing so badly -- in the eyes of the dancing instructor, at least.  Cara & Jamie come in first, LaKisha & Jen and Margie & Luke arrive about the same time (not exactly sure who arrives first), Tammy & Victor arrive while the arguing goes on, and Phil has to find Mark & Michael and tell them they've been Philiminated.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 18, 2009, 10:18:07 AM
This is the best speculation based on the spoilers I have seen in three weeks. Great job, Belle.  :jam: :jam: :jam:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TexasLady on April 18, 2009, 10:51:22 AM
I'm assuming nothing, I know nothing, I suggest nothing... 

Don't taz me Bro!! Don't taz me!   :taze


(I don't see M&M making up their time but as I said.. I know nothing..) :helpme
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 18, 2009, 01:05:59 PM
Bonnie Hunt is now spoiling the show  :lol:
“Amazing Race” Eliminated Couple: It’s down to five teams and the race is heating up. Fights are breaking out and team member’s patience are being tested. Hear what went on off-camera from this newest eliminated team.



 



(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/rff-0000-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/rff-0001-1.jpg)

http://www.bonniehunt.com/
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 18, 2009, 01:21:49 PM
Bonnie Hunt is now spoiling the show  :lol:

 



(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/rff-0000-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/rff-0001-1.jpg)

http://www.bonniehunt.com/
Guess that's that, then.  Mark & Michael are toast tomorrow night.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 18, 2009, 01:24:09 PM
I can't believe the editors gave it away? It seems unlikely that the Brothers were randomly shown ... twice.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Hooky on April 18, 2009, 01:32:34 PM
I can. They've been giving things away a lot of things lately.

In this case they probably knew that we already knew Mark & Michael would be out. (what a tongue-twister)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: gator27 on April 18, 2009, 01:55:55 PM
I can't believe the editors gave it away? It seems unlikely that the Brothers were randomly shown ... twice.

Imagine our response if this is a CBS ... PSYCHE!!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 18, 2009, 02:05:59 PM
I will bet, that the Bonnie Hunt promo, wasn't supposed to air till Monday!!!!! MsPuddin, did you get that promo off a CBS affiliate? Here, Bonnie is on the NBC affiliate. I sure wouldn't put it past another network to "accidentally" spoil another networks reality show.

Nevermind, I see it is on her web site. That is not good.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TexasLady on April 18, 2009, 02:50:14 PM
I didn't think Mark and Michael would be able to make up their time lag. This shouldn't have leaked before the show aired!  (:;)

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 18, 2009, 03:10:33 PM
Well looky looky  :lol: ......gotta love golf!!



Michael..
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0046-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0027-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0028-1.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0029-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0030-1.jpg)

speedbump! The China spoiler holds up!
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(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0033-1.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0034-1.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0035-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0036-1.jpg)

Tammy ..

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0037-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0038-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0039-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0040-1.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0043-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0047-1.jpg)

stuff we've seen

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0041-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0042-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0044-1.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0045-1.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Boingo on April 18, 2009, 03:13:51 PM
 :lol:  EVIL, EVIL Bonnie Hunt!   (:;)  How dare she spoil our show....  :meow:  oh wait... this is a spoilers thread....   :groan:  Oh, nevermind... she's evil anyway....    :knuckles:  how dare she outspoil us...  :neener:

Is it Sunday yet.... seems this thread has been droning on forever.... can't wait till this is over already!   :funny:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: woden on April 18, 2009, 03:29:19 PM
Mark/Michael doing tasks in daylight? How can that be?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 18, 2009, 03:39:04 PM
Mark/Michael doing tasks in daylight? How can that be?
  No idea! but
:lol:  EVIL, EVIL Bonnie Hunt!   (:;)  How dare she spoil our show....  :meow:  oh wait... this is a spoilers thread....   :groan:  Oh, nevermind... she's evil anyway....    :knuckles:  how dare she outspoil us...  :neener:

Is it Sunday yet.... seems this thread has been droning on forever.... can't wait till this is over already!   :funny:
haha this thread is not dead yet ....... :lol: drones onnnnnnnnnn
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 18, 2009, 03:44:33 PM
Mark/Michael doing tasks in daylight? How can that be?

They "obviously" were not in Guangzhou at 11 pm. Misidentified I suspect. A lot of American businessmen fly in and out of that place.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Snooky on April 18, 2009, 03:45:13 PM
Mark/Michael doing tasks in daylight? How can that be?
They may arrive in daylight, but then the sun starts going down...and CBS is trying to make it look less hopeless for Mark and Michael...(Just speculation)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 18, 2009, 03:46:33 PM
Mark/Michael doing tasks in daylight? How can that be?

They "obviously" were not in Guangzhou at 11 pm. Misidentified I suspect. A lot of American businessmen fly in and out of that place.
The description holds up .. the poster might have got the time wrong though? So it would seem ......

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg372354.html#msg372354
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 18, 2009, 03:50:25 PM
Well, then if Guilin is a 36 hour pit stop, maybe its the next day and they just let them get stuck at an hours of operation deal all night long.....or it is 11am in the morning they were seen in Guangzhou.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: NoluckBoston on April 18, 2009, 03:55:26 PM
It looks like they are feeding those birds. Like they have to toss the fish out to them?

or

Are they throwing bait out to attract the fish?   

:duno:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 18, 2009, 04:04:47 PM
Its called cormorant fishing......
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDDrz7E8-AA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCZC76QPH3o&feature=related
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Vivianne on April 18, 2009, 04:36:58 PM
So, if the Fishing thing is a Detour (as I suspect), then LaKisha & Jen and Margie & Luke do the Fishing Detour while Cara & Jamie and Tammy & Victor do the Dancing one.  Cara & Jamie do great but Tammy & Victor struggle while the dancing instructor laughs at Tammy.  So Tammy & Victor most likely comment that their parents will cry themselves to death when they see the siblings dancing so badly -- in the eyes of the dancing instructor, at least.  Cara & Jamie come in first, LaKisha & Jen and Margie & Luke arrive about the same time (not exactly sure who arrives first), Tammy & Victor arrive while the arguing goes on, and Phil has to find Mark & Michael and tell them they've been Philiminated.

Belle Book


I have been reading y'all for a couple years now and never posted because you people say it all.  You all are so amazing.  One thing that is bugging me is the fishing with cormorants called as a detour.  When I look at the screen caps of Luke, Mark or Michael (still can't tell them apart) and Tammy, I only see one of them *on* the little boat thing.  Kisha and Jen are there too but they don't show either of them on the little boat. 

Is it possible this is really the roadblock? :duno:

Vivianne
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 18, 2009, 05:18:41 PM


I have been reading y'all for a couple years now and never posted because you people say it all.  You all are so amazing.  One thing that is bugging me is the fishing with cormorants called as a detour.  When I look at the screen caps of Luke, Mark or Michael (still can't tell them apart) and Tammy, I only see one of them *on* the little boat thing.  Kisha and Jen are there too but they don't show either of them on the little boat. 

Is it possible this is really the roadblock? :duno:

Vivianne
Welcome to the forum Viv :welcome:

I was thinking it coud be the RB then I saw this ... (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/ep9/rff-0030-1.jpg) . It looks like Victor is on the boat unless hes waiting for Tammy or seeing her sent off?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 18, 2009, 05:36:19 PM
Some of the pics look like on the boat......and only one team member. Then others look like on the dock under a shade with both team members.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Belle Book on April 18, 2009, 06:49:35 PM
Yeah, I'm beginning to wonder if the cormorant thing was actually the Roadblock.  It's possible.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: littlewop on April 18, 2009, 07:24:46 PM
Yeah, I'm beginning to wonder if the cormorant thing was actually the Roadblock.  It's possible.

Belle Book


so if the boat thing was either the roadblock or maybe even a general task, then the dancing grey arm could be Margie, (it still looks too light colored to me to be Victor)
Could the dancing be a general task?  Oh, I need to go back and read the episode description again!
I don't even know were to begin on this whole Mike & Mark thing...maybe the Bonnie Hunt spoiler was too good to be true.  It never made sense to me how they missed 4 flights and ended up on the 11PM flight.
Is it Sunday yet???
 
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 18, 2009, 07:56:48 PM
:welcome2: to RFF Vivianne! Glad you are joining in the fun!!

Those videos of the cormorants just go to show....you never know where your fish have been!! :funny: :funny:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 18, 2009, 08:17:57 PM
The new information actually spells a better and anticipating episode for tomorrow! Spoilers about Mark and Michael actually being in Guangzhou may be wrong (but certainly depicts him - Maybe 11am??). But at least they have a fighting chance, not unless we see them getting penalized for it.

I'm actually scared now... With the new footage - it's anyone's ball game.

And yeah, about Bonnie Hunt's preview... WHY SHOW THIS EARLY???
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Jobby on April 18, 2009, 10:08:41 PM
I guess Kisha and Jen were just really angry Luke pushed them, and when they reached the next clue box, Luke went head on even though Jen was still the first at the cluebox. I could understand Margie's protect for her son.. but this doesn't mean Kisha/Jen are totally wrong for laughing at Luke. I am sure when we're pissed off for certain times in our life, we do things that are not very nice as well.. this just happens to be one of those "bad" moments for Kisha/Jen.. but I still believe they are very nice people in real life in fact, same goes for Margie and Luke.

I don't remember if anyone remember this. But I remembered there was someone who kept insisting that Kisha/Jen goes early because they are on very good laughing terms with Jennifer and Preston. And in the end.. Kisha and Jen could (most probably) be in the F4 now. This just goes that speculation can't bring us anywhere.. but true spoilers does. So thanks to all of you guys who bring us real real real real good spoilers. :hearts:

Rock on everyone, misses all of you. :jumpy:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 18, 2009, 10:47:42 PM
That's too funny that Bonnie Hunt spoiled the ending, but that just could be a red herring. Still, awfully funny that Mark & Mike were specifically put in the promo.

And welcome to RFF, Vivienne!!!!!  :waves: :waves: :waves:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 18, 2009, 11:18:39 PM
I guess Kisha and Jen were just really angry Luke pushed them, and when they reached the next clue box, Luke went head on even though Jen was still the first at the cluebox. I could understand Margie's protect for her son.. but this doesn't mean Kisha/Jen are totally wrong for laughing at Luke. I am sure when we're pissed off for certain times in our life, we do things that are not very nice as well.. this just happens to be one of those "bad" moments for Kisha/Jen.. but I still believe they are very nice people in real life in fact, same goes for Margie and Luke.


I kind of disagree with the observation that "Luke pushed them" at the first shown clue box (using this phrase since we don't know what is the actual first cluebox).  Per a previous message, I stepped thru the promo on my HD DVR.  Luke was at the first shown clue box trying to open it.   Jen is approaching at a run several steps behind.  What I saw was, Jen either pushing Luke or using Luke to stop her forward motion or possibly trying to prevent Luke from backing into her since he had actually had gotten the box open as her hands touch his back.  Remember Luke can't hear Jen approaching!  Jen then goes around to Luke's left as his brings up his left elbow, shoulder and hand with the CLUE in his left hand.  (You can actually see the clue envelope.)  Luke probably did hit Jen, not sure whether it was intentional or not.   After all either 1) he didn't hear her running up behind him or 2) he may have known she was behind him since she did touch him and was "defending" his space.  After all he can't yell "stop it".  If Luke intended to hit Jen, I think Luke's feeling was that he arrived first and should be able to get out of the way by himself not be PUSHED out of the way.  You can then see Jen fuming in the taxi and saying "game on".  Obviously, in Jen's mind, she had no fault in the cluebox scuffle, when clearly she started it.

At the second shown clue box, both Jen and Luke are clearly over the top, body blocking and scuffling all the way to the clue box.  To me, it seems as if some other things to continue the escalation in "bad feelings" have occurred between the two boxes.  Or may be they are just being extremely competive.

As I said before, I find K/J's snickering extremely disturbing.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 18, 2009, 11:31:16 PM
Could the coal & the dancing be the Detour instead? (although I would be sick of another Labor/Leisure Detour in China).
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 18, 2009, 11:51:34 PM
I watched some of the TAR promos today and saw the posted videos and screenshots.  Clearly lots of exciting stuff is going to happen Sunday night.  I am not going to be able to watch any of the new promos on Sunday afternoon since I will not be home until almost show time.  Hopefully, I will have time to catch up before watching the show. 

Speculating almost the same ending results:  C/J, K/J, M/L, T/V and M/M

Obviously M/M are going to at least start the leg.  M/M have obviously had fun just traveling and doing the different tasks, so may be they will be able to have some fun in China before being eliminated.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 19, 2009, 12:15:51 AM
Could the coal & the dancing be the Detour instead? (although I would be sick of another Labor/Leisure Detour in China).

I was thinking that also.  There is the steel factory in this leg, which could explain the possible "coal" dust on Kisha's hands in one of the promos.  We don't see K/J in any of the dancing promos, of course that may not mean anything.

A Coal vs Dancing detour may explain why we possibly see M/L in the dancing, even though they in general probably would avoid it.  Margie may still not be fit enough, after her collapse in Thailand, to deal with a phyically demanding task.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 19, 2009, 01:24:37 AM
I just wanna know if it's Mark & Michael who are, indeed, toast or not.  Now knowing they actually do get to do the tasks has me worried.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 19, 2009, 02:19:00 AM
I just wanna know if it's Mark & Michael who are, indeed, toast or not.  Now knowing they actually do get to do the tasks has me worried.

Well you could do like all the rest of us, read all the pertinent information and make your own conclusion. No one will really know for sure till Sunday night.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: colav10 on April 19, 2009, 03:04:16 AM
The clues from CBS affiliate WHLT clearly state that someone becomes frustrated when a dancing judge doesn't understand "his" questions. The use of the word "his" seems to indicate to me that a male racer is the one that gets frustrated, not Jamie or Cara. My bet is on Victor.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 19, 2009, 04:34:08 AM
I think the "his" is just being used in a general sense.  Victor can speak and understand Chinese, so he'll be able to understand.  I do think the one who won't be able to understand will be Jaime.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 19, 2009, 05:23:46 AM
I think the "his" is just being used in a general sense.  Victor can speak and understand Chinese, so he'll be able to understand.  I do think the one who won't be able to understand will be Jaime.

Tammy/Victor - both of them could actually generally understand Chinese - quite a spoiler? (Haha... Chinese people of their age - especially with their ranks in their respective jobs should quite master the language with the most number of speakers in the world - as they, specifically Victor actually had lawyer jobs in Asia and China as well, based on his resume online in the OMM site i viewed months ago...)
It seems so improbable that they would have a hard time understanding tasks.

But then again, The Chinese dialect is extremely phonetic. a change in tone could change the whole meaning and essence of the sentence (I'm Chinese and I don't even know how to speak, listen or write Mandarin - but as I'm hearing it from my sisters and other students - uhmmm, I actually don't want to learn it anymore - heck  :lol: :groan:) So I won't be surprised either if they have those few interactions that they'll have a hard time with.

Excited for the episode tomorrow(GMT+8)/later(EST)! Hope that spoilers are true UNTIL THIS EPISODE ONLY. Haha
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: gator27 on April 19, 2009, 06:17:07 AM
I think the "his" is just being used in a general sense.  Victor can speak and understand Chinese, so he'll be able to understand.  I do think the one who won't be able to understand will be Jaime.

Tammy/Victor - both of them could actually generally understand Chinese - quite a spoiler? (Haha... Chinese people of their age - especially with their ranks in their respective jobs should quite master the language with the most number of speakers in the world - as they, specifically Victor actually had lawyer jobs in Asia and China as well, based on his resume online in the OMM site i viewed months ago...)
It seems so improbable that they would have a hard time understanding tasks.

But then again, The Chinese dialect is extremely phonetic. a change in tone could change the whole meaning and essence of the sentence (I'm Chinese and I don't even know how to speak, listen or write Mandarin - but as I'm hearing it from my sisters and other students - uhmmm, I actually don't want to learn it anymore - heck  :lol: :groan:) So I won't be surprised either if they have those few interactions that they'll have a hard time with.

Excited for the episode tomorrow(GMT+8)/later(EST)! Hope that spoilers are true UNTIL THIS EPISODE ONLY. Haha

If "his" does refer to Victor, then maybe he speaks Chinese to the Dancing judge, and she does not understand him.  This frustrates Victor and he (or Tammy) utter, "Our parents will cry themselves to death".
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Glamazon Racer on April 19, 2009, 06:52:40 AM
The clues from CBS affiliate WHLT clearly state that someone becomes frustrated when a dancing judge doesn't understand "his" questions. The use of the word "his" seems to indicate to me that a male racer is the one that gets frustrated, not Jamie or Cara. My bet is on Victor.
Maybe it's Luke, if indeed, they do perform this task, although it appears that they might not. As someone said, it might be a General Task. I can understand a judge not understanding Luke. :duno:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: gator27 on April 19, 2009, 07:16:11 AM
The clues from CBS affiliate WHLT clearly state that someone becomes frustrated when a dancing judge doesn't understand "his" questions. The use of the word "his" seems to indicate to me that a male racer is the one that gets frustrated, not Jamie or Cara. My bet is on Victor.
Maybe it's Luke, if indeed, they do perform this task, although it appears that they might not. As someone said, it might be a General Task. I can understand a judge not understanding Luke. :duno:

Luke is used to people not understanding him and likely has a better tolerance for it.  Luke also knows how to work around that problem better than other racers.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 19, 2009, 07:18:26 AM

If "his" does refer to Victor, then maybe he speaks Chinese to the Dancing judge, and she does not understand him.  This frustrates Victor and he (or Tammy) utter, "Our parents will cry themselves to death".

It's a big possiblity, since Guangxi/zhou people speak mostly Cantonese(?) ... which is even harder to speak for me...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 19, 2009, 07:29:05 AM
In short:

We have three possible people freaking at the judge: Jaime, Luke, VictorWe have three possible teams in first: Jaime/Cara, Kisha/Jen, Margie/Luke
We have three known non-Speed Bump tasks: coal, cormorants, dancing
We have three legs in China. (just wanted to put this in)
We have three more episodes before the Finale. (just wanted to put this in too :lol: )
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 19, 2009, 08:13:04 AM
In short:
We have three more episodes before the Finale. (just wanted to put this in too :lol: )

 :'( :'( :'( :'( I actually don't want this race to end... could they actually race around the world infinitely?  :funny:

Oh yeah, could Mark and Michael actually get eliminated because of the dancing part? Which gives out the "his" clue in the CBS web promos...??
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 10:09:50 AM
below are the official CBS clues and press release combined ..

"Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death" (China)

*AND ONE RACER'S FRUSTRATION WITH FOREIGN LANGUAGES CONTINUES TO GROW
During the Detour, one Racer is frustrated when a dancing judge dosen’t understand their question.
.... One racer's frustration with non-English speakers grows

 *When birds attack! - A fishing cormorant draws blood

* A throwdown at a Cluebox leads to a mat showdown
...and two Teams battle each other throughout the leg, leading to a full-blown mat meltdown
...and check out the most explosive pit stop - EVER!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 19, 2009, 10:30:22 AM
I just wanna know if it's Mark & Michael who are, indeed, toast or not.  Now knowing they actually do get to do the tasks has me worried.

According to the screenshots, pictures of M/M appear on the promos for Bonnie Hunt for Monday's episode.  I don't think they would show pictures of Mark & Michael with words "The Amazing Race Castoffs" unless they are toast.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 19, 2009, 12:06:20 PM
I think the "his" is just being used in a general sense.  Victor can speak and understand Chinese, so he'll be able to understand.  I do think the one who won't be able to understand will be Jaime.
Just like here, China has a bunch of accents that are difficult to understand. If the woman speaks Chinese and has a heavy accent, Victor may not understand it. Not everyone who speaks Chinese can speak clearly. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 03:56:25 PM
This is for those that don't understand the rules ..
When the show is on here 8:00pm ET we don't want to read the outcome before 9:00 ET :okay:
We will be discussing the ongoing show here (link below)and commentary should go here but please delay your comments if you are watching on Channel 5 or whatever channel it is that you all don't get commercials ..
If I see anything posted before 9:00 ET that person will be banned for a week. Please don't ruin it for us like last week...we want to enjoy the show not babysit.
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18675.msg390029.html#msg390029

:waves: No overtime sports anything! The race will start on time here 8:00pm ET. We ask those that might watch on channel 5? and don't get commercials to please not get ahead of us with the show updates. We like to watch it together :angel:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: slayton on April 19, 2009, 04:34:43 PM
It looks like Hercules from AICN has already watched it:

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Published on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 12:31am 
Herc’s Seen Things Get Nasty
On Tonight’s AMAZING RACE!!

I am – Hercules!!


CBS is billing tonight’s edition of “The Amazing Race” as boasting “the most memorable pit stop ever.”

Two twentysomething contestants – deaf college grad Luke Adams and Amazonian marketing assistant Jennifer Hoffman – get into physical confrontations, and Jen’s language turns mean.

“I called him a bitch because it was a bitch move,” says Jen. That’s just the start of the unsportsmanlike behavior that continues well after Phil Keogan informs the contestants of their weekly rankings.

Tame stuff compared to the blows we’ve seen traded recently on cable’s “The Bad Girls Club” and “The Road Rules/Real World Challenge,” to be sure, but unusually uncivilized for “Race.”

The pit stop becomes memorable when Jen, Luke and their teammates arrive at the episode’s finish line almost simultaneously, and host Keogan adds fuel to the fire with uncharacteristically Probstian episode-ending inquiries.

The big destination this week is Guilin, China, where absurdly fabulous Chinese-American Tammy Jih and bossy big bro Victor come to regret not paying closer attention in Chinese school when they discover which tasks will soon be assigned them. The good news is Tammy & Victor both speak Mandarin, and Tammy visited Guilin earlier for spring break.

It’s an especially tricky week for dwarf stuntmen brothers Mark & Michael, penalized with an extra cosmotological task and forced to start in last place for rule-breaking.

There’s also a vicious bird attack, the teams have to choose between choreography and calligraphy, and the redheaded cheerleaders run into trouble when they, rather predictably, choose choreography.

I remind everyone that the people who complain most about reality shows are always the ones most often caught by their moms masturbating to “American Gladiators.”

8 p.m. Sunday. CBS.


http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40808
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 19, 2009, 04:38:38 PM
Doing what to American Gladiators? The man's crazy.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: littlewop on April 19, 2009, 04:56:29 PM
I bet that is ink from the Caligraphy detour, not coal on Kisha's hand!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 19, 2009, 04:58:21 PM
I bet that is ink from the Caligraphy detour, not coal on Kisha's hand!

Ink and the tablets
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 19, 2009, 06:02:19 PM
It looks like Hercules from AICN has already watched it:

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Published on Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 12:31am 
Herc’s Seen Things Get Nasty
On Tonight’s AMAZING RACE!!

The big destination this week is Guilin, China, where absurdly fabulous Chinese-American Tammy Jih and bossy big bro Victor come to regret not paying closer attention in Chinese school when they discover which tasks will soon be assigned them. The good news is Tammy & Victor both speak Mandarin, and Tammy visited Guilin earlier for spring break.

There’s also a vicious bird attack, the teams have to choose between choreography and calligraphy, and the redheaded cheerleaders run into trouble when they, rather predictably, choose choreography.

8 p.m. Sunday. CBS.


http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40808


I love the detour choice! It's soooo fun to reread speak and re speak again!  :lol:

The italicized part looks more to me of a confirmation of the title... does it? I know Chinese schools do teach chinese calligraphy (shao kai is the name I think...  :lol:) but dancing? Well maybe too...

Why does everyone want this episode spoiled? First Bonnie, now this??? Would this be for the sake ratings going up or down anyway? (Sorry, I'm not that familiar with US Television tactics on Ratings... I only know how rude and insane the ratings game here in our country - very much alike Luke and Jen in this episode... )

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 06:05:23 PM
Thanks Slayton so the RB is for the birds which makes sense since teams usually take turns ie> Mark/Victor/Marge did the RB last week.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 06:12:18 PM
The question is what or where does Folded Brocade Hill (Die Cai Hill) come in?

Thanks to Joab's excellent find:

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On the 24th morning, she reached the hotel at 7.30am in the morning and started working. Because filming will begin on the next day, they have to finish all the preparation by today and ensure that nothing goes wrong. She talks about how the foreigners (production team) does not have the habit of taking an afternoon nap and some of them didn't even take their lunch. She worked for the entire day and only ate a few biscuits and felt awful.

 kept ourselves busy with making the props. J.R told us that the props must be done by 9.30pm and transported up Die Cai Shan to be prepared and put into place. Then the four of us (Seth, J.R and Nora), together with another 2 masters at making props from Guilin, had to give up the idea of eating a proper meal to rush out the props. At around 8pm, the props were still not done but they had to move them up to the mountain already.
We were able  to make contact but she was unable to tell us more:


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Hello,

Looks like you guys are big fans of the show!

I'm not very good with dates; usually just remember which day of the week it is. Thinking back, I'm not very sure with the dates, sorry!

... we couldn't know exactly what the activities are.


My guess is that she added a week to the dates, perhaps just looked at a calendar in error?

Anyway, we can tie this in with Neobie's excellent detective work, hopefully he will add his nice summary here! :hearts:




Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 06:14:45 PM
calligraphy?

http://public.fotki.com/richardchu/china/guang-xi-/gui-lin-/die-cai-shan-/
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 06:37:21 PM
what are the boards for? learn Chinese?


Lucky guess!  :lol: ,, I'm still not sure where the "coal" idea came from though?

Looks like maybe what you all thought was a jacket at choreography might turn out to be a statue? or something....

I'll guess
1st Tammy & Victor
2 The Sisters
3 Marge & Luke
4 Cara & Jamie
5 last .. the Brothers

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 19, 2009, 07:49:50 PM
I love those commorants! I wonder If it's legal to keep them as pets...?  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 19, 2009, 07:58:17 PM
Okay...no mountain yet? So wonder if maybe they do something there before they leave Guilin after the PitStop??

Or did I miss it? I was late to the party...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 19, 2009, 08:06:39 PM
Well, if Guilin is the 36 hour pit stop, they might be having that suprise birthday party for the person on the production crew, mentioned at Narita airport.....or maybe just a secluded place for group meal. But it still doesn't explain the props. But maybe you are right......the morning afte pit stop.

Or how about this. M/L, T/V and J/C were supposed to leave Guangzhou at 8:30 pm. It is only a one hour flight. How come it shows them all leaving the airport in daylight? K/J were on the 9:10 and M/M were on the 11:10 I think. I think you could only do the detour at night. Just have to light the area. I dont think you could do the fishing. So as the producers, do you want them spending the night on the street somewhere, waiting on a HoH. Just maybe, they picked the all the teams up at the airport and took them to the top of that mountain for the waiting period. Then hauled them all back to the airport around 3 am, so they could be released in daylight at the same time interval and in the same order, that they arrived the night before. That way the whole day could be filmed in daylight.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 19, 2009, 08:47:34 PM
I'm thinking it's come and gone! (:;)

We got several clues that the Folded Brocade Mountains took place on the night of the 17th - witnesses remembered it drizzling that day, and that it was a Monday. The place being sealed from 6pm to the next morning matches our missing time with the racers - with first scheduled arrivals in Guilin at 9.30pm. TPTB manipulated the race to prevent any earlier flight!

Was it a pseudo-Pit Stop where you check in and depart after a certain amount of time? And the props?

With the overnight stay we've filled up the extra day we had - no 36h Pit Stops here, or from now on!

(It's always the places we've spoiled - Canadian teepees - that they edit out... :()
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 08:49:24 PM
Okay...no mountain yet? So wonder if maybe they do something there before they leave Guilin after the PitStop??

Or did I miss it? I was late to the party...
Neobie has brought up that theory in the timeline thread  ;)

OK so I'm calmed down enough to rewatch (Damn Raymond!  (:;))
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 19, 2009, 08:50:36 PM
OK so I'm calmed down enough to rewatch (Damn Raymond!  (:;))
I can't believe people don't read the warnings.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 08:52:47 PM
Theres the Monday Nov 17th date
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 19, 2009, 08:53:23 PM
OK so I'm calmed down enough to rewatch (Damn Raymond!  (:;))
I can't believe people don't read the warnings.

They do read them. It is just that they are watching on the other side of the world and think they are in synch with us, when they are not. Usually, anyway....I didn't see what happened this time.

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 19, 2009, 08:58:16 PM
Sorry people, I was adding to my earlier post when you were all posting.......
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:01:31 PM
OK so I'm calmed down enough to rewatch (Damn Raymond!  (:;))
I can't believe people don't read the warnings.

They do read them. It is just that they are watching on the other side of the world and think they are in synch with us, when they are not. Usually, anyway....I didn't see what happened this time.


He gave away the end and even said he was sorry if he spoiled us. I wouldn't expect it from someone thats been here for quite sometime. Hes lucky I did not ban him forever! No kidding and no breaks this time.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:03:42 PM
I tried getting the sisters tickets but its too fast for me
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:04:54 PM
the Brothers depart
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:08:09 PM
the delay
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 19, 2009, 09:09:22 PM
OK so I'm calmed down enough to rewatch (Damn Raymond!  (:;))
I can't believe people don't read the warnings.

They do read them. It is just that they are watching on the other side of the world and think they are in synch with us, when they are not. Usually, anyway....I didn't see what happened this time.


I have to agree with peach that people do read them. It is just that different timezones + different locations + different tv stations make everything a big commotion...  :jam: :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:09:33 PM
the Sisters arrive at night
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:12:47 PM
where did we lose all those hours?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:15:16 PM
the 24 bridge
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:17:26 PM
the Brothers have landed .. in the daylight
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:20:11 PM
2 teams pull a Lazarus  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 19, 2009, 09:22:33 PM
Or a was it a Fran/Barry? Or Gretchen? On that bridge? That was hysterical!! :funny:

Beautiful pics , puddin!

 :popcorn:

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 19, 2009, 09:24:28 PM
Or a was it a Fran/Barry? Or Gretchen? On that bridge? That was hysterical!! :funny:

Beautiful pics , puddin!

 :popcorn:



I was thinking the same thing, Ms Peach........Fran and Barry all over again.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:25:36 PM
rb
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:27:34 PM
The speedbump was so whack  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:29:39 PM
Neobies South Gate  :jam:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:36:47 PM
detours
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:40:57 PM
 :funny:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:44:11 PM
when Jamie and Cara were told no no you just know the editors loved this shot
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:47:19 PM
 :lol: @ Phil and the locals
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:49:04 PM
Neobie had the order right  :yess: :jam:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 09:55:08 PM
thanks to Mark and Michael for the laughs and being good sports  :lol:  :jam:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: apskip on April 19, 2009, 10:42:22 PM
William Shakespeare - "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" should really be rewritten for Guilin. World Race Productions pulled some shady deals in this episode.

First is the 22 hour pit stop.
Second is not showing some kind of hours of operation. The first 4 teams would all have arrived in Guilin airport by midnight, with the delay on CZ3303 not putting Jaime/Cara and Victor/Tammy and Margie/Luke in much after Kisha/Jen on Shenzhen 9637. OK, so they have at least until after sunrise at 656am to do something. Since nothing is shown, they has to have been an unshown hours of operation halt. If not, then all teams would have arrived at the first clue box at the beauty salon at its opening and they clearly did not.
Third, the editors pulled their ususal stunts in attempting to make it look competitive for Mark/Michael. After being stradned overnight in Guanzhou airport they would not have left Guilin airport before 11am. I look to Chateau to provide some confirmation if possible, but I see no way(except really strange hours of operation) that Jaime/Cara would not have completed their ROADBLOCK and DETOURS before that.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: FLFan on April 19, 2009, 10:52:37 PM
what are the boards for? learn Chinese?


Lucky guess!  :lol: ,, I'm still not sure where the "coal" idea came from though?



There was mention of a steel factory in some of the possible sites for Guilin.  Since coal is used in the production of steel, the leap was taken that the black marks on Kisha's hands was coal dust.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 10:59:11 PM
what are the boards for? learn Chinese?


Lucky guess!  :lol: ,, I'm still not sure where the "coal" idea came from though?



There was mention of a steel factory in some of the possible sites for Guilin.  Since coal is used in the production of steel, the leap was taken that the black marks on Kisha's hands was coal dust.
And me from coal cracker country  :groan: :lol: what do i know?
http://www.coalregion.com/
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 11:21:21 PM
thanks CBS!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 19, 2009, 11:25:15 PM
There we go, the Folded Brocade Mountains!

Kisha/Jen are with everyone else, so it's got to have been a total bunch. Hours of Operation!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: eragon on April 19, 2009, 11:28:31 PM
was that an unaired task?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 19, 2009, 11:30:40 PM
I recognize it from your photos Neobie  :jumpy:! At least thats cleared up ......sort of  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 19, 2009, 11:31:24 PM
I guess all those drums were the props.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 19, 2009, 11:50:48 PM
The drums were there when I arrived two weeks later - are they there all the time, or should I have stolen them too? :snicker:

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18620.0;attach=112462;image)

Quote from: Signboard
Drums of Life

The Folded Brocade Mountains are also known as the Longevity Mountains. The saying goes,
"Having passed the cavern shrine,
Your years will last past ninety-nine,
The summit is a guarantee,
You'll live to see five score and three."


Drum sticks available for Y2 a person.

The words on the drums are variations of the word "Longevity". There are one or two which read "Emolument", signifying the fortunes of high rank.



"Official" opening hours range from anything between 6am and 8.30am - online sources are all over the place.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 20, 2009, 12:12:13 AM
I'm sorry you didn't get a drum Neobie  :lol:

Sort of an odd insider clip here .. the girls did not even see the "tweedles" at the mandatory rest stop and only knew they were still in the race because they saw the Speedbump with their picture.
They didn't even know if there was an elimination "yesterday" or today.

Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 20, 2009, 12:12:39 AM
Huh.  Wonder why they didn't show us this task?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 20, 2009, 12:16:08 AM
Oh God. The "fighting" third team?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 20, 2009, 12:17:17 AM
Oh God. The "fighting" third team?
dum dum dum dummmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 20, 2009, 12:34:09 AM
I see TARA in the lurker tray below! Don't think we forgot about you and the spoilers that you brought us! Thank you TARA! You truly rock! All the spoilers were good!  :jumpy: :jumpy:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARA on April 20, 2009, 12:34:49 AM
William Shakespeare - "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" should really be rewritten for Guilin. World Race Productions pulled some shady deals in this episode.

First is the 22 hour pit stop.
Second is not showing some kind of hours of operation. The first 4 teams would all have arrived in Guilin airport by midnight, with the delay on CZ3303 not putting Jaime/Cara and Victor/Tammy and Margie/Luke in much after Kisha/Jen on Shenzhen 9637. OK, so they have at least until after sunrise at 656am to do something. Since nothing is shown, they has to have been an unshown hours of operation halt. If not, then all teams would have arrived at the first clue box at the beauty salon at its opening and they clearly did not.
Third, the editors pulled their ususal stunts in attempting to make it look competitive for Mark/Michael. After being stradned overnight in Guanzhou airport they would not have left Guilin airport before 11am. I look to Chateau to provide some confirmation if possible, but I see no way(except really strange hours of operation) that Jaime/Cara would not have completed their ROADBLOCK and DETOURS before that.


I think they pulled out the task because the unexpected mat meltdown drama. otherwise they wont have enough time to show it. and I guess the unaired task didnt really make a difference of time between teams.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 20, 2009, 12:36:40 AM
TARA  :waves:  :jumpy:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARA on April 20, 2009, 12:47:34 AM
I see TARA in the lurker tray below! Don't think we forgot about you and the spoilers that you brought us! Thank you TARA! You truly rock! All the spoilers were good!  :jumpy: :jumpy:
hi pudding
thx for saying that
I got a remind from the system when replying the previous one saying someone had replied it u better take a look, didn't expect it's the greeting from you. thanks!

btw i come to visit here many times each week but was sort of diving (a chinese way expressing not logged in or not replying to any post)
I was looking for picture evidence but didn't get any lol . u guys did a great job veryfing everythin.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 20, 2009, 12:52:29 AM
Right back at you TARA  :beer: :hfive:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 20, 2009, 12:56:19 AM
Thanks TARA........thanks for the insight and hope to see you here again!!!!!!

 :jam: :jam: :jam: :jam: :jam: :jam: :jam: :jam: :jam:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 20, 2009, 01:14:38 AM
Oh God. The "fighting" third team?

Is it in Jaime and Cara's insider videos??  :yess: if so...  else  :'(...
Oh yeah, the stress of the race de-beutifies Cara and Jaime though...  :'(
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 20, 2009, 01:29:40 AM
Oh God. The "fighting" third team?

Is it in Jaime and Cara's insider videos??  :yess: if so...  else  :'(...
Oh yeah, the stress of the race de-beutifies Cara and Jaime though...  :'(
What are you talking about?  It's clear, now that Mark & Michael are officially decoys, that Jaime & Cara are Margie & Luke are in the F3 together.  The "fighting" third team is clearly either Tammy & Victor regressing, or Kisha & Jen going back to fighting again.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 20, 2009, 02:21:19 AM
Another fine episode.  Yeah, the elimination was anticlimactic once it was definitely ensured that Mark & Michael would be going home, but guess what, people?  I wouldn't have had it any other way.  Boy, it'll be fun going back and watching my tape to see the two-week fall of Mark & Michael!

Anyway, the tasks.  I easily could've done the Roadblock, and I wouldn't have even tried Calligraphy at the Detour.  I'd have gone for Choreography just like Jaime & Cara did.  While it's usually smart to cut loose the Detours you can't do and go for the sure thing, they were smart to stick to their guns here.

Kisha & Jen: Great leg run by them, taxi troubles notwithstanding.  I wish they'd won the leg on their own, though, rather than piggybacking off Tammy & Victor's Chinese (good strategy, but not totally impressive).  That said, while I understood their anger at Margie & Luke, laughing at someone having a meltdown is way too passive-aggressive and is in very poor taste in ANY case.

Tammy & Victor: For a team who thought they'd have the advantage in terms of knowing the language and being Chinese, they sure did a poor job at actually winning the leg.  Good effort using their language skills, but poor at the Roadblock and not that good with the Detour, either.  Aside from all that, they really did just seem to be kind of . . . there this week.  Again.

Margie & Luke: Good leg this week, once again, and it was great to see them break free of their first place/fourth place rut.  That said . . . seriously, Luke?  Body-checking a woman?  Not cool, man.  And Margie, I see the point you were trying to make at the mat, but you said it in the completely wrong way.  I still like them, but their behavior (and Kisha & Jen's) disappointed me.

Jaime & Cara: The girls did a pretty decent job this week, your low finish notwithstanding.  And I do love that Jaime is actually trying to make an effort now in dealing with the locals more calmly and maturely.  If she keeps this up, they may start doing a whole lot better.

Mark & Michael: They were way too far behind from the get-go.  They were done like dinner from the beginning of the leg, and I think they knew it.  So I felt no pity or sadness from their elimination.  They seemed to do everything well enough on their final leg, though, and at least there was no cheating this time.  Still, they were easily the weakest team left, and it was time for them to go.

Okay.  With the F4 decided . . .

LOVE: Kisha/Jen, Tammy, Margie/Luke, Jaime/Cara
LIKE: No one
NEUTRAL: Victor
DISLIKE: No one
HATE: No one

Good episode.  Can't wait till next week.  I sincerely hope Jen's fear of water is a misdirection, though.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 20, 2009, 04:22:13 AM
Oh God. The "fighting" third team?

Is it in Jaime and Cara's insider videos??  :yess: if so...  else  :'(...
Oh yeah, the stress of the race de-beutifies Cara and Jaime though...  :'(
What are you talking about?  It's clear, now that Mark & Michael are officially decoys, that Jaime & Cara are Margie & Luke are in the F3 together.  The "fighting" third team is clearly either Tammy & Victor regressing, or Kisha & Jen going back to fighting again.
I'm just asking if that "fighting" third team was mentioned in Jaime/Cara's insider videos posted above ^_^  :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: makz3d on April 20, 2009, 05:19:50 AM
Puddin or someone that can do a screencap from last nights show.


M/L are shown at the dancers.  This is at the 36 min mark of show.  Just before V/T get to the clue box.

Did they switch task?  Did they go the wrong way?  Do those doing the calligraphy have to run by dancers to get to the 4 calligraphers?  I don't think they have to run past the dancers but I'm not familiar with the layout of the area.

I think M/L were actually a little ahead of V/L & K/J.  When they realized the music involvement they switched task and lost their slight lead.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 20, 2009, 10:31:04 AM
The dancers were right there near the cluebox / gate makz .. the teams ran past them.

Heres the caption for the missing drum task

"Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death"-- In this Route Marker, Jen (left) and brother/sister team Victor and Tammy walk down the karst hill beating traditional Drums of Life, on THE AMAZING RACE 14, Sunday, April 19  
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: walkingpneumonia on April 20, 2009, 11:38:43 AM
So regarding the alleged laughing at Luke  :badhorse: - I didn't actually hear any laughter - but there was definitely bared teeth...

Quote
Cross-cultural studies have shown that smiling is used as a means of communicating emotions throughout the world.[1]  Among animals, the exposure of teeth, which may bear a resemblance to a smile, is often used as a threat or warning display - known as a snarl - or a sign of submission. In chimpanzees, it can also be a sign of fear.:monkey
 

Maybe they were afraid of Luke or what Phil was going to say about the aggression.  :box:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Belle Book on April 20, 2009, 06:29:55 PM
Here's my thoughts on the teams:

LaKisha & Jen -- great job coming in first place!  That's the good news.  The bad news is that you got into a big fight with Margie & Luke -- and laughed at them.  Even if it was just strategy to upset Luke even further -- and even if you had reason to dislike them, that's still not right.

Tammy & Victor -- my favorite team this leg, if only because you had no major problems with the tasks (although you struggled with the Roadblock), and didn't fight anyone.

Margie & Luke -- oh boy.  You didn't do yourselves any favors either.  While I understand why you thought the sisters were laughing at you, you were probably still wrong and you made matters worse for both yourselves and the other team.

Cara & Jamie -- you're learning a little, Jamie.  I hope it continues.  BTW, I would've done the Choreography Detour as well -- I'm not a great writer.

Mark & Michael -- no chance whatsoever.  See ya later guys.

Love:  Cara and Tammy
Like:  Jamie and Victor
Neutral:  LaKisha & Jen and Margie & Luke
Dislike:  No one
Hate:  No one

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 20, 2009, 07:36:01 PM
Reality TV World:  Based on the fact it was already daylight out when your flight arrived in Guilen, it looked like you had to say overnight in Guangzhou and arrived in Guilen quite a bit behind everyone else, is that correct?

Mark: Yeah, well what happened was we missed our earlier flight so we ended up having to spend the night at the airport. So that definitely delayed us, we got in later that morning. The only way we actually picked up time was there was an obstacle... where [the contestants] had to wait for the park to open up. They actually didn't show that on the episode, they cut out a whole sequence of climbing 500 stairs to this temple in China.


http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-mark-and-michael-munoz-talk-about-the-amazing-race-8834.php
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 20, 2009, 07:41:11 PM
Hours of Operation! I wish we had seen that task.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: littlewop on April 20, 2009, 08:10:07 PM
Reality TV World:  Based on the fact it was already daylight out when your flight arrived in Guilen, it looked like you had to say overnight in Guangzhou and arrived in Guilen quite a bit behind everyone else, is that correct?

Mark: Yeah, well what happened was we missed our earlier flight so we ended up having to spend the night at the airport. So that definitely delayed us, we got in later that morning. The only way we actually picked up time was there was an obstacle... where [the contestants] had to wait for the park to open up. They actually didn't show that on the episode, they cut out a whole sequence of climbing 500 stairs to this temple in China.


http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-mark-and-michael-munoz-talk-about-the-amazing-race-8834.php


That was a big task to leave out of the episode.  The hour of operation thing could have made it possible for M/M to catch up.  I hate when they leave things out.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 20, 2009, 08:14:40 PM
BTW, I would've done the Choreography Detour as well -- I'm not a great writer.

Oh yes you are!!!!! :hugs:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ruth on April 21, 2009, 12:40:06 PM
Interesting leg, with the fighting at all. I won't side any team here, I think both teams are at fault but IMO, the reason they all reacted the way they did was the heat of the race. I mean, it's already down to the final five, everyone must be really tired, not to mention that with such a small group left, it's every man for himself and they've got to get more competitive. So I'm not really blaming any team here. I think that both teams are nice people.

Kisha and Jen - I wished Tammy and Victor could have won, but it's nice seeing yet another team claiming first place, so I'm still happy. And we have to admit, the girls can certainly run!

Tammy and Victor - I was laughing when Victor actually asked Margie and Luke's driver to drive more slowly. Love hearing them speak Mandarin, it sure gave them an edge. Too bad that edge was used helping the other teams too, so they didn't exactly get an advantage.

Margie and Luke - They broke their 1st and 4th place patterns! I think Luke needs to tone down a little but well, not really faulting him either. It's the heat of the race, lol.

Cara and Jaime - Bad luck at the Detour, the inability to communicate and all. I was hoping they could win their first leg this time, but too bad. Hoping for them to win a leg soon!

Mark and Michael - Yay that they didn't catch up, but it was a good leg ran. Bye guys!

Liking all four teams that're left now! :)
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 21, 2009, 02:33:04 PM
I'm watching Bonnie Hunt and the fact that the show was pre-filmed last week might explain why her website released that the brothers were the latest team next to be on her show. I wonder how she got the audience to keep the secret? or they might not be fans and might not care? lol
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 21, 2009, 02:35:30 PM
That's interesting.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 21, 2009, 02:42:06 PM
Well she Jorge Garcias clip is the same that was posted above, this was the first time hes been on Bonnie and of course her outfit is the same so it couldn't have been edited in. I'll get the video up and post it on the racers thread.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: apskip on April 21, 2009, 10:21:35 PM
I have researched the opening hours for Folding Brocade Mountain/Hill in Guilin. They are:

Hours 6:30am-6:30pm (cave 7am-4pm)

Unfortunately, this provides no help for when the first 4 teams would have finished up here and gone on to the hair salon "normal" cluebox. It also raises the question of wouldn't Mark and Michael have to come here and do the task, which wqould make it even harder for them to catch up to finish a reported 30 minutes behind the 4th place team.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 21, 2009, 11:05:30 PM
A few tidbits from a crew member over at Baidu...

Quote from: MM
I signed a contract, can't reveal too much!

Just a little bit: the teams' first destination out of the airport was actually the Folded Brocade Mountains; they spent a night camping on the hill, but it was cut!

Quote from: MM
The ladies and fishermen were paid for their appearance. The background crew work really hard for any show, especially this kind of reality show where nothing must go wrong! The production assistants arrived in Guilin a week beforehand to prepare. It's not easy. Of course the crew here in China must be credited too!

I can see that everyone here is dedicated to the show. I'm moved and have since fallen in love with the show as well! Although the show has been aired, I can't reveal too much because of the contract. I seek your forgiveness.

Other things they're discussing: Tammy/Victor's ancestral lineage (they've settled on Taiwanese), how race issues work in the US, the clumsiness of the translation of "foreign-born Chinese from America", pride on seeing the Chinese flag on the fishing rafts, how we didn't get to see all the scenery Guilin has to offer, happiness over the quaint portrayal of the Chinese "countryside" (Apskip may wish to differ!), the hilarity/weirdness of how they got two random old folks to have lunch at the Pit Stop, how no one washes hair that way, how Victor still sounds sissy when he speaks Chinese...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 21, 2009, 11:12:51 PM
I have to check, Neobie, but didn't Victor state that his and Tammy's parents are from China?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 21, 2009, 11:25:47 PM
I've read that their mother still lives in Taiwan... I'm certain their accent/vocabulary is Taiwanese-influenced though. Jih is also the Wade-Giles rendering of the word "季" ("season"), which while read the same in Mandarin is spelt Ji in Pinyin.

Or maybe it's to do with the "Taiwan = / != China" issue? Affairs are much more complicated than the layman in the West thinks it is! Won't dwell upon it, but noting that unlike what the Western media tries to imply, China's not the devil reincarnate when it comes to foreign affairs...

*speaking as someone more familiar with, but not inclined towards either side*



A little more from MM...
On behalf of RFF, I thank him/her for his/her generosity, and hope TPTB would be nice.

Quote from: MM
First of all, the entire crew consists of no less than ten people. I didn't count, but I'm guessing around twenty. Preparations were done by both the American and Chinese crews: the Chinese side was a film company from Beijing - I can't remember the name. The Guilin leg was organized by the Taoyuan Travel Agency. Planning and preparation took a week, with the Beijing crew arriving first to pave the way. Route planning and the recces were run by CBS the day before. Actually, every task and every location has been tested the day before by the crew. I followed my Boss around the entire circuit in one day.

I received the teams the day the planes arrived. Each team is followed by two crew members: one for lighting, one for filming. When the teams run out of the airport - that's the time they change their equipment. They've got huge packs, I'm thinking that's the equipment, that they threw at the crew, and they tossed out all the old stuff. The (main) crew followed onto the vehicles and trailed the taxis the whole way - that's how they get a lot of the footage.

The process was really interesting! Hoho!

I did have a run-in with the Taoyuan Travel Agency people. Not very friendly folks, I must say.

Quote from: MM
They actually cut out a lot of the fight between the mother/son and the blacks. I was watching while they were fighting. Because the son had trouble communicating, he eventually cried :groan:. His mum kept trying to console him, saying "Let it go, forget it...", but he couldn't calm down. In the end two members of the crew, including my Boss [name], tried to resolve the issue, and it took them a long time.

I thinking now that it's over it's OK if I speak. Those old folks (at the tasks) don't know much; the crew wouldn't tell them much, and they'd simply do as they're told. Sometimes they'd be confused over why everyone was in such a hurry, and sometimes they'd just crowd around to see what was going on. Some of the crew got upset over this. The crew and the production assistants were really worked hard, some had to work overnight without going home. It was so bad it could take your life. (This is a similar expression to Victor's quote).

We're not allowed to help the contestants, not even be seen by them. Otherwise there'd be no point to the race!

Uh-oh.

Quote from: Z
MM, I know who you are. I am Z, haha!

Don't forget the contract is three years!



Random quote.

Quote
Victor and Tammy should let their next driver call dispatch, and tell them that if any foreigners get onto a cab with a camera, and constantly scream "Go go go!", they should first drive those teams to Shijiazhuang. They should call the other companies as well, so no matter what taxi the other teams get on they'd be headed for Hubei Province.

The posts following that suggest Shenyang... and then Harbin...



Just stumbled onto a thread where they're really not happy about Jaime's attitude towards China... *backs off slowly*
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 21, 2009, 11:45:46 PM
Hoo boy. Not good. I'm talking about Jaime.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 22, 2009, 02:38:12 AM
That was fun to read Neobie, thank you for translating and sharing  :hearts:
I wish I knew Chinese!!!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 22, 2009, 05:03:41 AM
Wow Neobie! SOOO GREAT INFO!!!!

What are they talking about more especially to Tammy/Victor and the other teams moreso wink*JAIME*wink? Hehe... Could you quote some hilarious or odd comments though? Too bad if this is Chinese, Babelfish or google does an ugly translation...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 22, 2009, 06:28:16 AM
One more from MM:

Quote from: MM
The mother had been telling Luke not to dwell upon it, but seeing how upset her son was she had to say a few words. They cut a lot out of that, she kept saying "Let it go, forget it..." But Luke felt very wronged; he couldn't calm himself down and ran off. His mother did say "Enough, it's pointless to continue arguing like this".

When they were filming this, I was standing by the side. Both sides were in the wrong, the blacks were indeed jeering.



Alright, here are a few more peeks into the Chinese psychology...

(These posts are reflective of the cultural peculiarities of the Chinese society, but remember the 90% of posts that are similar to those like those on TWoP - their views on the racers are pretty much 100% similar! The Chinese and the American have much more in common that they'd like to admit...)

Is Victor gay? His Chinese is so girly.

To that girl contestant, do you know China? You were never so worked up over going to other places. Americans are disgusting, always playing up biases.

- Why do you guys think that way? Are you guys without bias? Don't you guys think lowly of India and such? Anyway, that's just an individual's view of China, how can you extrapolate it onto the American people as a whole?

- Many foreigners have been brainwashed. I believe the girls act that way because of the American media. CNN and BBC never show the good side of China, always talking about farms, being backward, human rights and stuff. If they have to say something good, they'd always add a "however" at the back and then continue with the bashing. The foreign media is not 100% just, it's just selectively just. I've heard idiotic questions over in the UK because of this media bias, things like "Do you have 29in TVs over in China?"

- Let's not get too worked up. Watching the India episodes I myself was thinking "Why is the place so dirty? Their quality of life is sad. The trains are terrible." I know if I join a race that went to America I'd be caught saying "There are guns everywhere, that's real scary!"

Why does the crowd swarm upon the racers each time they come to China? I'm speechless. And Guilin looks so run-down in this episode.

- Of course people would take a peek! It's our cultural signature! Guilin isn't famous for its infrastructure; it's the scenery that's breathtaking. Just watching the episode I can smell the crisp fresh air already...

On the Phuket leg: The son is letting the mother pull the rickshaw! I can't continue watching anymore...

Calling people "bitch" in America is not as serious as it seems. Girls joke throwing around phrases like that. Anyway, a gentleman uses his pen, not his sword (approximate transposition of a Chinese idiom into an English one); getting physical - do you still consider yourself a man?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Dånooky on April 22, 2009, 06:39:43 AM
[...]how Victor still sounds sissy when he speaks Chinese...

massive LOL, I totally agree :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: apskip on April 22, 2009, 09:52:01 AM
I know no Chinese, but I have heard that there are 4 different endings for words. Some of them involve an upward pitch and some a downward pitch. Those upward pitches could sound "girlish" to observers who know nothing about the Chinese language, but that is built into the Chinese language and should be accepted as the way it is for about 700 million chinese males.

If I am wrong on this, those who speak Mandarin should feel free to correct me.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Neobie on April 22, 2009, 10:15:19 AM
Oh crap... We got Matt fired... :'(

Quote from: MM
Someone got fired last season after his photos were posted online.

That spoiler never leaked out of RFF as far as I know (not even Sucks), and it was deliberately buried after just a few days. Does that mean TPTB's spying on us as much as we're spying on them? They must hate us.

Apskip, you're right about the four tones, but I don't think it's because of that - it's the Chinese who are calling him sissy!
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Dånooky on April 22, 2009, 11:24:10 AM
I know no Chinese, but I have heard that there are 4 different endings for words. Some of them involve an upward pitch and some a downward pitch. Those upward pitches could sound "girlish" to observers who know nothing about the Chinese language, but that is built into the Chinese language and should be accepted as the way it is for about 700 million chinese males.

If I am wrong on this, those who speak Mandarin should feel free to correct me.
If you pay close attention, in spite of all the tones, Victor keeps this nerve-wrecking accent he uses when he yells something in an über-chipper way. I lol'd a lot from this
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: nathyn on April 22, 2009, 11:52:51 AM
I know no Chinese, but I have heard that there are 4 different endings for words. Some of them involve an upward pitch and some a downward pitch. Those upward pitches could sound "girlish" to observers who know nothing about the Chinese language, but that is built into the Chinese language and should be accepted as the way it is for about 700 million chinese males.

If I am wrong on this, those who speak Mandarin should feel free to correct me.

As a native mandarin speaker (and with a Tiawaneese accent), his speech still sounds sissy.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 23, 2009, 02:09:17 AM
If you pay close attention, in spite of all the tones, Victor keeps this nerve-wrecking accent he uses when he yells something in an über-chipper way. I lol'd a lot from this

I have a lot of family members who speak Chinese Putonghua and Mandarin, I have been to Cantonese speaking places, and have heard a lot of Chinese artists speaking in Chinese (because my Dad particularly watches Chinese shows every night) but they don't sound as sissy as Victor would have said it... But I think TPTB and the editors edit Victor as a super sissy speaker, not really the other times that he speaks...

But still! I LOVE THEIR TEAM!!!!  :hearts: :jumpy:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARA on April 23, 2009, 07:05:49 AM
I know no Chinese, but I have heard that there are 4 different endings for words. Some of them involve an upward pitch and some a downward pitch. Those upward pitches could sound "girlish" to observers who know nothing about the Chinese language, but that is built into the Chinese language and should be accepted as the way it is for about 700 million chinese males.

If I am wrong on this, those who speak Mandarin should feel free to correct me.

As a native mandarin speaker (and with a Tiawaneese accent), his speech still sounds sissy.

I think Victor has children, or maybe they're Tammy's? Found it on their facebook page
Neobie u r amazing, I was gonna translate what u've post into english and u already have done it. Great job!


thought the picture of the guy who got fired has been leaked.. I guess maybe he report the mistake himself

I guess TAR will consider to hire some really professional guys next time they visit China. what a leak they did
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 23, 2009, 07:09:52 AM


I think Victor has children, or maybe they're Tammy's? Found it on their facebook page




At RFF, what happens on Facebook STAYS on FB and is not brought to the forum.  :ty3: But I believe you are incorrect. ;)

But SO glad you are posting here now!! :hugs:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARA on April 23, 2009, 07:34:52 AM
the producer assistant girl says a lot of producers and equipment and security crew can't be credited for at the end title
and the camera crew switch their old equipment with the new one from the producers when they first step out the airport
wondering if MR. van muster always travels together with phil when TAR is filming? we all know he has scouted the locationes several times before that
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Jobby on April 24, 2009, 12:20:36 AM
Why are we even discussing if Victor is gay/sissy or not? Does it matter? :duno:

I thought this was an amazing episode, because Kisha and Jen came in first.. (not Margie/Luke or Tammy/Victor anymore)

And throughout the episode, we don't really know who will get first.. until the pitstop results came.. unless you love looking at spoilers.

And Tammy and Victor are so supportive of each other now, same with Kisha and Jen.. remembered how Kisha's attitude towards Jen was on episode 2?

And Margie's love for her son!! Amazing!!

As well as how Cara continued to be supportive of Jaime, who... is not very nice.

A good final 4, i say! :yess:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Moo on April 24, 2009, 12:31:41 AM
Why are we even discussing if Victor is gay/sissy or not? Does it matter? :duno:

I thought this was an amazing episode, because Kisha and Jen came in first.. (not Margie/Luke or Tammy/Victor anymore)

And throughout the episode, we don't really know who will get first.. until the pitstop results came.. unless you love looking at spoilers.

And Tammy and Victor are so supportive of each other now, same with Kisha and Jen.. remembered how Kisha's attitude towards Jen was on episode 2?

And Margie's love for her son!! Amazing!!

As well as how Cara continued to be supportive of Jaime, who... is not very nice.

A good final 4, i say! :yess:

A better one when Mel and Mike was there...  :'( :'(
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Jobby on April 24, 2009, 12:39:34 AM
Why are we even discussing if Victor is gay/sissy or not? Does it matter? :duno:

I thought this was an amazing episode, because Kisha and Jen came in first.. (not Margie/Luke or Tammy/Victor anymore)

And throughout the episode, we don't really know who will get first.. until the pitstop results came.. unless you love looking at spoilers.

And Tammy and Victor are so supportive of each other now, same with Kisha and Jen.. remembered how Kisha's attitude towards Jen was on episode 2?

And Margie's love for her son!! Amazing!!

As well as how Cara continued to be supportive of Jaime, who... is not very nice.

A good final 4, i say! :yess:

A better one when Mel and Mike was there...  :'( :'(

I agree.. Mel and Mike is the only all-male team i like since Derek and Drew and Oswald and Danny.

I'm starting to feel neutral towards Cara and Jaime and Margie and Luke.. my ranking goes like this for now -

1. Tammy and Victor
2. Kisha and Jen
3. Margie and Luke
4. Cara and Jaime

If Mel and Mike is still around, they would have been in third on my favourites.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 24, 2009, 03:15:39 AM
A Margie/Luke win would upset me SO much because they annoyed me, but compared to the winners of the last six seasons + seasons 2, 4 & 6, they'd be okay, so right now, it's all good.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: makz3d on April 24, 2009, 05:53:23 AM
This is a screen cap of Jen & Kisha just after Jen pulled the clue.  Taken from Ep 9 @ CBS.  The time is 1:28 (in opening of show)

(http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv181/makz3d/JenandKisha.jpg)


I have been debating for almost a week in mentioning this.  I've watched and rewatched and it appears that Jen does a Chin Flick gesture at Margie & Luke after Jen had pulled her clue.  It's very quick and I'm not 100% positive that is what she is doing.  It sure looks like it though.

Jen says it was a bwitch move that's why she called Luke a bwitch.  Both of them repeatedly called Luke and Margie & Luke bwitches during the cab rides. Jen said in the cab that she was thinking about laughing at them just to piss them off.

I think that the laughing was more than a nervous giggle.  I know editing had a lot to do with what we saw but I still feel that Luke was not totally to blame.  Jen definitely ran into Luke at the first clue box.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 24, 2009, 06:29:38 AM
Thats a good shot. If what you speculate is true, how would Luke see her. He is behind the tree. She could just be rubbing her cheek after getting elbowed there. None of us was there, thats a fact. All we can do it take sides and what good does that do. It's TV show for goodness sake. Whatever happened, happened 5  months ago and they are all friends now. Time to let it all go.

But I think there is plenty of blame to spread around to all 4 of the participants.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 24, 2009, 06:33:22 AM
Here's something I've been wondering about. Unless Margie/Luke & Kisha/Jen's supposed 45-minute meltdown happened off the mat, how oh how did Jaime/Cara fall behind the other 3 teams by 45 minutes or more?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Jobby on April 24, 2009, 06:49:31 AM
They spent 15 minutes to learn the dance, tried out 25 minutes at the dancing and didn't get the clue, and spent another 10 minutes to decide whether they should leave the challenge or not, then finally completed it on another try using the next 10 minutes. There you have it, an hour wasted, as compared to the other three teams doing the Detour that is idiot proof and one can't go wrong.. it was obvious which one they should have done. I wished they could have done Calligraphy though, would have been the first time there are four teams on the mat. :lol:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: DrRox on April 24, 2009, 06:52:13 AM
Here's something I've been wondering about. Unless Margie/Luke & Kisha/Jen's supposed 45-minute meltdown happened off the mat, how oh how did Jaime/Cara fall behind the other 3 teams by 45 minutes or more?

The "45 minutes" came from me. I have looked at all of Phil's blogs and cannot find the reference. I stated this earlier. The only place I cannot find is the segment where Phil was on the Bonnie Hunt show. It is not my habit to "dream up" some number like that. Some where I heard Phil reference a 42-45 minute mat meltdown. So till I can find the reference, treat that "45 minutes" like a grain of sand.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 24, 2009, 07:25:08 AM
@Joab: True. Although I think I'd fail that Calligraphy task miserably. :lol:

@DrRox: I've heard that too somewhere outside of RFF. Funny thing is, I actually heard somewhere that it lasted somewhere to two hours. I want to say "Let's wait for next week" but after the whole Phuket departure mishap, not so much.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: BayBay on April 24, 2009, 08:07:38 AM
I rewatched the episode on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psf0vdV6EGo) and
saw that Jen did indeed sign (or try to sign) bitch. She is definately not rubbing her chin.
Also when you compare it to Luke's signing it is quite similar.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: georgiapeach on April 25, 2009, 12:28:00 AM
Here is what Phil said:

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After all these weeks of telling you about the "Most Memorable Mat Meltdown" of all time, we finally got to see it last night. What an episode. The throwdown between Luke and Margie and LaKisha and Jen was so intense. All of us in production knew that both teams were really going head-to-head throughout the entire leg, but no one could have predicted it would come down to a foot race to the mat and one of the most emotionally charged Pit Stops I have ever been a part of. It was downright uncomfortable.

Safe to say, Luke is not afraid of confrontation. I was surprised at the intensity level at which he ran this leg. Never backing down, never letting LaKisha or Jen get in his way. Last week I thought Margie was the driving force behind their Team, but this week Luke stepped up and took the lead. On the flip side, I always knew that Jen had that tenacity in her; you don't play Division I collegiate sports and not know how to compete. That’s part of her DNA.

It was one of the longest times we've ever spent on a mat after the teams arrived. We were there for easily half an hour discussing who was to blame for the pushing and shoving at the cluebox, who behaved poorly, etc., etc. No matter how many times LaKisha said that she wasn't making fun of Luke when she laughed, Margie never bought it. I don’t think LaKisha was making fun of Luke. I think she just has a nervous laugh and that's what she does in those situations.

By that point in the day, Margie was so fed up with the way the two Teams fought throughout the entire leg that anything was going to set her off...and it did. I have to say, though, even with all the yelling and arguing at the mat, one of the most comical parts of the entire scene was watching Victor and Tammy, who had no idea what was about to erupt when they landed at the Pit Stop.

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18425.msg390480.html#msg390480
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 25, 2009, 01:57:51 AM
Still that begs the question: Why did Jaime/Cara fall 30 minutes behind?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: redskevin88 on April 25, 2009, 05:09:24 AM
Still that begs the question: Why did Jaime/Cara fall 30 minutes behind?

The detour...  they took a long time at the detour, as they couldn't understand the chereographer instructions...
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ray! on April 25, 2009, 05:26:33 AM
Ya, but I don't think it would've been that long.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Belle Book on April 25, 2009, 10:34:48 AM
Ya, but I don't think it would've been that long.

Maybe they waited until the shouting was over before they stepped onto the mat.

BTW, I don't think that LaKisha was making fun of Luke either -- or at least she wasn't making fun of him for being deaf.  It may have been partly nerves, but also partly a way to get under his skin since she didn't like him much.  Unfortunately, Margie was in such a state that it set her off.

Belle Book
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 25, 2009, 11:31:25 AM
From what I understand Jamie & Cara were almost 2 hours ahead of Mark & Michael arriving at the pitstop and why Mark & Michael were told 30 minutes I have no idea but it is false and we might not know until the show is over per interviews/Tarcon.
Cara & Jamie were no where near being eliminated! I also hear that the Brothers knew they were going to be eliminated and decided to shop before hitting the pitstop and even had they not stop to shop the closest they would have been behind Jamie & Cara would be 45 minutes :angel:
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: walkingpneumonia on April 25, 2009, 12:47:14 PM
From what I understand Jamie & Cara were almost 2 hours ahead of Mark & Michael arriving at the pitstop and why Mark & Michael were told 30 minutes I have no idea but it is false and we might not know until the show is over per interviews/Tarcon.
Cara & Jamie were no where near being eliminated! I also hear that the Brothers knew they were going to be eliminated and decided to shop before hitting the pitstop and even had they not stop to shop the closest they would have been behind Jamie & Cara would be 45 minutes :angel:
Do we know if they made M&M do the unaired mountain/drum task - or were they so far behind they didn't bother?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: TARAsia Fan on April 25, 2009, 01:28:40 PM
From the interviews they did, M&M did do that task.
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: Ashe on April 25, 2009, 01:33:14 PM
What was that task, anyway?  What did they have to do?
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 25, 2009, 01:50:53 PM
start here Ashe
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18620.msg390259.html#msg390259

and this (back a few pages)
Reality TV World:  Based on the fact it was already daylight out when your flight arrived in Guilen, it looked like you had to say overnight in Guangzhou and arrived in Guilen quite a bit behind everyone else, is that correct?

Mark: Yeah, well what happened was we missed our earlier flight so we ended up having to spend the night at the airport. So that definitely delayed us, we got in later that morning. The only way we actually picked up time was there was an obstacle... where [the contestants] had to wait for the park to open up. They actually didn't show that on the episode, they cut out a whole sequence of climbing 500 stairs to this temple in China.


http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/exclusive-mark-and-michael-munoz-talk-about-the-amazing-race-8834.php
Title: Re: TAR14 EP9: 'Our Parents Will Cry Themselves to Death' (China)
Post by: puddin on April 28, 2009, 08:51:40 PM
I meant to post this, the drums on folded brocade were shown at the beginning of EP10

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/EP11/th_rff-0000-2.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR14/EP11/rff-0000-2.jpg)