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Title: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on May 23, 2008, 06:17:36 PM
entertainment weekly clue:
I lie with my eyes

mobile text clues
EP1: NIC@IT 
EP2: Heart
EP3: grapes
EP4: cf (11) 8
EP5: CHNO 111738
EP6: X13421
EP7: EP: 1245
EP8: 00711
EP9: MAP REC    
EP10: G BOY N is OBGYN
        


abc clues:
EP1: E_E_E_
EP2: A B C B B    A C C B C A
EP3: s666 - LIAr
EP4: EFG PQR ZOO
EP5: 234 715
EP6: 334 631 244
EP7: 495
EP8: REFLECT  <<(reversed)
EP9: 7..26..52
EP10: THE MOLE
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Spoilers*
Post by: Belle Book on May 24, 2008, 11:04:30 AM
Good job getting the questions!  I'm going to look at them very carefully when checking out which ones I think might be the Mole.

Belle Book
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Spoilers*
Post by: flynn211 on May 26, 2008, 01:00:49 PM
FROM TWOP

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/463/ewmole1au4.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9881/ewmole2go7.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9523/ewmole3ym1.jpg
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Spoilers*
Post by: marigold on May 26, 2008, 02:05:42 PM
FROM TWOP
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/463/ewmole1au4.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9881/ewmole2go7.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9523/ewmole3ym1.jpg


 :hello2: Hello flynn211 and  :welcome2:

Thanks for the post, I heard about the images in Entertainment Weekly so thanks for sharing, it's a great advertisement  :jumpy:
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Spoilers*
Post by: TheCinera on May 27, 2008, 05:27:01 PM
Thanks, flynn!  I just got my issue of EW, but sadly, no Mole ad!   :'(  I heard on TWOP that it was in randomly selected magazines in this May 30th issue (Usher on the cover), and that it is very easy to find in the issue.  The ad is in a hard piece of paper between the magazine. 

Anyone know what the "message from The Mole" is?  I'm curious!
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Spoilers*
Post by: puddin on May 27, 2008, 05:36:16 PM
My EW had no Mole ad either Cinera? Welcome to the forum flynn


from tvguide~
Episode Detail: - The Mole
Jon Kelley hosts the fifth season of the reality competition, which kicks off with the 12 cast members meeting in Los Angeles, Chile, and jumping over the edge of a waterfall. One of the contestants ends up stranded alone on a deserted beach.
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Spoilers*
Post by: marigold on May 27, 2008, 07:44:28 PM

Anyone know what the "message from The Mole" is?  I'm curious!



I believe it says:

"I lie with my eyes"
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Spoilers*
Post by: TheCinera on May 27, 2008, 08:01:26 PM
Either the message is a clue to how The Mole will lie and sabotage the games, or it's a cryptic message.  I think I may look at the contestant's bios for any clues.
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Spoilers*
Post by: marigold on May 27, 2008, 09:35:19 PM
Either the message is a clue to how The Mole will lie and sabotage the games, or it's a cryptic message.  I think I may look at the contestant's bios for any clues.

 :tup: Please do share your opinions.

It's always interesting to hear everyones thoughts and I have read some incredible theories so it's always welcomed by me.

I have to admit I am sooo looking forward for the show to begin.
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Spoilers*
Post by: marigold on May 28, 2008, 01:10:19 AM

You can also text "themole" to 22288 for mobile alerts and clues.

I understand that you will receive 1-2 messages a week and can stop at any time.

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/ca_bb_fan/themolealerts-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Spoilers*
Post by: TheCinera on May 28, 2008, 11:04:30 AM
I couldn't find anything in their bios.  I would keep that clue in the back of your mind for when you watch the show, it may be a 2-part hidden clue.
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Spoilers*
Post by: marigold on May 28, 2008, 08:12:14 PM

I couldn't find anything in their bios.  I would keep that clue in the back of your mind for when you watch the show, it may be a 2-part hidden clue.

I agree nothing stands out from their bios regarding that clue  ;)
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *clues*
Post by: georgiapeach on May 28, 2008, 11:13:39 PM
This is now the thread to discuss all the hidden (and sometimes not so hidden :lol:) clues in.

We will be analyzing and dissecting all those clues right here from week to week, so everybody stay alert and point out any that you see!

WARNING though:

This thread WILL become somewhat spoiler-y as the season goes on and all the clues begin to point towards our MOLE.  So if you really want to see if you can discover the clues all by yourself, and/or remain totally unsuspecting about the clues, then this may not be the thread for you.

But if you are like me and really want to investigate all the "clues" and discuss was that a clue? or wasn't it? And was that a sabotage move--or wasn't it? Then you are in the right place! :happy:  This is where we will be keeping track of all those clues!

But this is also the NOT the place for any real "outside" spoilers about who the Mole can or cannot be--so do NOT post any spoilers that are not clue related here. 

For those kinds of spoilers, you can go here instead:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15546.msg302316.html#msg302316



Title: Re: The Mole 5 *clues*
Post by: cinni on May 29, 2008, 10:51:57 AM
only one person in the picture is wearing glasses? hmmmmm
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *clues*
Post by: marigold on May 29, 2008, 02:15:19 PM


The first mobile clue for Episode 1 reads:  "NIC@IT"


(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/ca_bb_fan/themolealerts-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *clues*
Post by: TheCinera on May 29, 2008, 04:18:42 PM
only one person in the picture is wearing glasses? hmmmmm

Craig is the only person on the ABC website that is wearing glasses in his profile.

Regarding the "NIC@IT" clue, Craig is a Graphic Designer (hence the IT).  I think the NIC refers to Nicole, but I have no idea what connections that has to do with it.
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *clues*
Post by: puddin on May 30, 2008, 06:08:06 PM
the rest of the quiz questions:



Question 6: What is The Mole's age?
Question 7: In "Over The Falls," what was the outcome of The Mole's jump?
Question 8: Did The Mole drive one of the vans to the beach?
Question 9: At the start of the "Crusoe" mission, was The Mole wearing a hat?
Question 10: Who is The Mole?
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *clues*
Post by: marigold on May 30, 2008, 08:14:00 PM

.... an intersting article mentions some clues  ???

After a four-year absence, The Mole returns to ABC Monday night (10 pm/ET) where contestants complete a grueling series of physical and mental missions. This is ultimate teamwork: the missions have to be completed together in order to build up cash amounts that are eventually won by the winner.

But beware the Mole — a saboteur and one of the 12 contestants whose mission it is to prevent the group from winning the cash. All the while, the players try to figure out which one of them is the Mole through a series of quizzes.

At the end of each episode, the players are quizzed about the person they think is the mole (example: on the first night, where was the Mole assigned to sleep?) Score the lowest, and you face "execution." The player who survives all the executions over ten weeks wins the cash that has been accumulated by the group — up to $500,000.

"This is like a mystery. A Whodunit," says executive producer Clay Newbill. "The list of clues players must find is like something out of a mystery novel."

Former Extra host Jon Kelley hosts this season's series of mysteries. Wanna know who's the Mole? Don't ask him. "I have no idea," he says. "And that's the way I like it. It allows me to play along. Sometimes I think I'm absolutely sure of who it is and then it blows up in my face."

After two seasons of Celebrity Mole in 2003 and 2004 (before the franchise took a four-year hiatus from TV), the series is back with civilian contestants. Newbill says advanced technology has allowed a more high-tech and entertaining presentation. "I like to call this 'Bionic Mole' — bigger, stronger, faster."

Contestants this season are dropped off in Los Angeles, Chile (yes, you read that right) and among the missions is to scale a huge waterfall. Unlike Survivor, where contestants eat whatever they can find and sleep outside, players on The Mole have had the luxury of staying in high-class hotels. There will be less of that this season. Says Newbill: "While there is still some of that glamour of hotels and fine wine, the missions sometimes call for the contestants to be out all night in sub-freezing temperatures. Like traveling through the Andes. Or having to scale the Salto Del Laja Falls [on Monday's premiere]. It's not easy for them."

It takes a little more than just being smarter than the average bear to have a shot at winning. "In the past, we've had contestants who were doctors and lawyers," Newbill says. "Those are occupations that require a lot of book smarts. That won't necessarily help you on The Mole. You must be very perceptive and have a very good sense of strategy. You've got to have good gut instinct and be able to adapt to different situations."

Also, this year, the show has a very strong online presence allowing viewers to play along as if they were on the show. "People can take the same quiz online as the contestants on the show," says Kelley. "Plus, there will be three or four clues on the web site pointing them to the identity of the Mole."

Source: http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TV-Show-Blog/Tv-Previews/Mole-Abc-Monday/800040623 (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TV-Show-Blog/Tv-Previews/Mole-Abc-Monday/800040623)
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Belle Book on May 31, 2008, 08:15:46 PM
Looking forward to the first episode and trying to figure out the clues!

Belle Book
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 02, 2008, 03:14:16 PM
I think the clues will gradually accumulate so thought I would start a running tally of them all here, and add to it here as we go?

Please let me know if I miss any!

And part of the fun of the Mole is...is it a clue---or not?? ???

EW clue: I LIE WITH MY EYES

1st ABC clue: NIC@IT

2nd ABC clue: E_E_E_


>>>ELEVEN?
>>> Journal # 11 held up Ep #1
>>> Missing letters=LVN

Others:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/MolecluefindtheMOM.jpg)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/MoleclueQ.jpg)

EP #1 clues:

Green fingerprint on Victoria's helmet as she goes over the falls
Journal # 11 held up
Last Supper clues:
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/Molethe-last-supper.gif)
Pisco Sours??
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mandoli on June 02, 2008, 09:21:12 PM
SPOILERS?

E_E_E_

I think that's eleven. The host guy held up journal #11, so I'm thinking that might be a clue.
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: TheCinera on June 02, 2008, 09:24:03 PM
But due to interviews, Jon Kelley had no idea who was the mole at the start of the show, so we can't infer that the journal #11 belongs to the mole.  I think it has something to do with the letters missing.  "LVN".  Maybe Liz's initial?
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 02, 2008, 09:33:36 PM
Hi guys! Come talk about the show over here too if you want in the episode thread?

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?topic=15553.0

Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mandoli on June 02, 2008, 09:35:57 PM
But due to interviews, Jon Kelley had no idea who was the mole at the start of the show, so we can't infer that the journal #11 belongs to the mole.  I think it has something to do with the letters missing.  "LVN".  Maybe Liz's initial?

When they were all getting their journals, they were reaching into a box for them.

Maybe the #11 journal was used just as an example? I agree with the letter thing, however. LVN is something to look at during the course of the show.
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: TheCinera on June 02, 2008, 10:12:49 PM
I think in the Triple E clue the missing letters are quite possibly a clue to three possible suspects that ABC is pointing us to.  The missing letters are (supposedly)... L, V, and N. (Note: I don't read spoilers, so this is not spoilerly, I think)

Notice how each letter corresponds to a name of one of the contestants, and only one contestant has this initial.  This people are Liz, Victoria, and Nicole.  Strange coincidence if this Triple E clue is in fact spelling "Eleven".

Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 02, 2008, 10:19:58 PM
I wondered if it was just as obvious as only eleven taking the quiz...

And what about this one?

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/MolecluefindtheMOM.jpg)

The obvious or something more like Mark's our Mole? :lol:

What about the NIC @ IT??

Nicole at what??

Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mandoli on June 02, 2008, 10:29:36 PM
The clues are pointing to Nicole in some way.

Man, I'll have a ton of free time to sit down and watch all of next week's episode. I'd like to see if ABC can't draw me away from one potential Mole.
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: vamoleguy on June 02, 2008, 10:36:05 PM
Didn't a contestant mention in tonight's episode with her MOM skills she can tell who is telling the truth and who is lying? I can't remember who said it. Wouldn't it go along with the two clues, "Find the Mom" and "I lie with my eyes".
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marigold on June 02, 2008, 10:49:54 PM
Didn't a contestant mention in tonight's episode with her MOM skills she can tell who is telling the truth and who is lying? I can't remember who said it. Wouldn't it go along with the two clues, "Find the Mom" and "I lie with my eyes".


:hithere: vamoleguy and  :welcome2:

Yes your correct Marcie is the one that had said that.
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 02, 2008, 11:17:09 PM
Liz had these pics from her Interview...I lie with my eyes? :lol:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/Moleclue--Liz--eyes2.jpg)

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/MoleclueLiz--eye.jpg)

 :hello2: vamoleguy! Thanks for joining us!
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: PotatosPunkGirl on June 02, 2008, 11:47:34 PM
did anyone but I notice that when they were going over the water fall Victoria was the only one who's helment had a green finger print on it? (the Mole stamp) lol
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: PapaBear on June 03, 2008, 12:00:59 AM
OK, I have a theory.  When they sat down for dinner, the host said something about treating it like it was their "last supper".  I googled the last supper painting and Judas (the betrayer) was located three people from the left of Jesus.  The person that was third from the left of the host (who sat in the middle) was Alex.  It's a long shot but I am going with Alex as the mole.

Hi to all of y'all who remember me!  It has been a long time.  I am sooooooo happy to have the Mole back!
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: citric on June 03, 2008, 12:42:30 AM


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/MoleclueQ.jpg)

Who is MQLE = Nicole?
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 03, 2008, 01:05:24 AM
Welcome back PapaBear and  :hithere: to citric! :waves:
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 03, 2008, 01:11:49 AM
Welcome to the forum eveyone and OH MY PapaBear!!! :luvu: :<3
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Texan on June 03, 2008, 09:11:57 AM
Would find the mom be pointing you to a mother or is that way too obvious?  Plus where do the F & Q come into play in the last clue?  F instead of E in the and Q instead of O in Mole
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: kdawg on June 03, 2008, 09:19:50 AM

EW clue: I LIE WITH MY EYES



Could this also mean "I lie with my I's"? The letter 'I' might be involved in either their name or one of the other clues.
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mandoli on June 03, 2008, 10:09:00 AM
"Find the Mom"

I'm still thinking that it's a female Mole we're looking for. But they've had four female Moles so far in the entire series (including celebrity editions). Unless they wanted another female Mole...

Evidence: Click me (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mole_%28TV_series%29#United_States)
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: TheCinera on June 03, 2008, 10:36:30 AM
All the clues have been pointing to a female mole.  The Triple E clue, lying with their eyes.  But for some reason I am convinced we're looking for a male mole. 

ABC is definitely trying to confuse the viewers, lol.   :pull
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Texan on June 03, 2008, 11:17:54 AM
OH MY GOSH, how did I miss Papa Bear's post!?!?!   :hearts: :hearts: :<3 :luvya: :luvu: :noway: :conf:
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: olapop on June 03, 2008, 11:19:17 AM
The mole is Victoria.
The waterfall fingerprint points directly to this as to the title screen clue I have uncovered.
Hidden not once, not twice, not thrice, but a whopping 6 times in the opening credits are the letters "VFJ"
The last 3 of which appear between the words "Who is the mole." Meaning it says: "Who" then "VFJ" then "is" then "VFJ" then "the" then "VFJ" then "Mole."

Common sense says these are initials and the only person with a first name that starts with "V" is Victoria. $10 says her last name starts with "J" and her middle name starts with "F."



Here are the screen caps of all 6:

http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mole1oh0.png
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mole2od4.png
http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mole3va0.png

http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mole4bq8.png
http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mole5bl1.png
http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mole6wj1.png
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: cinni on June 03, 2008, 11:43:35 AM
I'm still thinking that it's a female Mole we're looking for. But they've had four female Moles so far in the entire series (including celebrity editions). Unless they wanted another female Mole...


wasn't the season 2 mole a guy, Bill i think?
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 03, 2008, 11:47:04 AM
:welcome2: to RFF olapop! I LOVE your screencaps!

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/Molescreencapfromolapop.png)

But unfortunately, Victoria's last name is Garza, she was a cheerleader at Texas A&M University-Kingsville at least in the 2002-3 seasons, and she is from Bishop, Texas....

But the clue is still valid! What else could VFJ mean? ???

I take paypal! :funny:

Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: dimior on June 03, 2008, 03:18:47 PM
Hello everyone! New poster here.  :yess:

Did anyone else notice that on the "Crusoe" challenge the boat that came in not only said "Jose Luis" on the side, but it also had the number "810"? I remember that on the first Celebrity Mole, there was a challenge with a plane and the number written on the side of that plane had something to do with the mole (Frederick). I think it was the number of shoots she had done or number of covers she had done or something like that (since she was a model). Maybe the 810 is a birthday or a hometown area code?? Something to look into...

Have a great day everyone! :waves:
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 03, 2008, 03:24:34 PM
:welcome3: dimior!

I read a complicated theory on another board that the 810 was from Mark in the Bible...

brb and I'll go find it!

Okay, from the ABC message boards via greenscreen at Sucks:

Quote
hank4congress said...

The number on the boat? 810

I was reading my bible just now..and in the book of MARK chapter 8 verse 10, it reads..."Then right away he got into a boat with his followers and went to the area of Dalmanutha." hmm...He gets on a BOAT with his followers ....mole hunters...hmmm.. and i looked up Dalmanutha on wikipedia, and it is described as an unknown destination sometimes described to be around the area of Magdala. The FIRST MOLE EVER'S Name? Magda.

Mark...8:10...Boat...followers...unkown destination...Magda...MOLE.

I  :duno: though, but interesting!  I agree the # prob means something!
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: RadioRocket on June 03, 2008, 03:44:48 PM
Hey everyone, I joined this forum to discuss Mole clues.

I haven't really analyzed the first episode yet, but I've seen it.
I analyzed the opening credits a few times.
And I think it's either Mark or Nicole.

Though in Episode 1 when Mark was talking about his wife he seemed genuine and when Nicole
found out she wouldn't have to be voted out her happiness seemed a bit fake to me

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VqPt-ZD5_jc

Pause at around 0:08 and 0:09 and focus on the far left with the scrambled letters if you can pause fast enough it comes up with some information.


http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4905/promoqq1.png

This leads me to believe that Nicole is the Mole, she is the only person from Chicago and as for date of birth it doesn't really match Nicole's age. And some other information doesn't add up to her or is hard to make out.


Any ideas on this?
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mandoli on June 03, 2008, 04:46:57 PM
I'm still thinking that it's a female Mole we're looking for. But they've had four female Moles so far in the entire series (including celebrity editions). Unless they wanted another female Mole...

wasn't the season 2 mole a guy, Bill i think?

I knew that. It was late, however, and I was a little preoccupied with a few more things. (And I would edit the post, but I had editing issues last night. I can't edit posts?)

Let me rephrase that: Three female Moles in four full seasons. Would ABC really want another female Mole? Or would they want to try to even things up and assign a male Mole?
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mandoli on June 03, 2008, 04:59:50 PM
Sorry for double posting, but I searched for 810, just to see what else could fit, and it's an area code for Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_code_810). Detroit is not one of the cities listed (that's 313), but the Detroit area is to the south of the 810 area. I don't think this means anything, but could the Michigan reference help or hurt any possible investigations...
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: pj on June 03, 2008, 05:11:10 PM
if you look at the opening credits where it has the chicago thing, the occupation says something like "AW?AUNT"

in the attached image, its really hard to make it out but it could also say something about Los Angeles
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: PotatosPunkGirl on June 03, 2008, 05:16:53 PM
I just rewatched the opening of the show...the initials VJG also appear on there...so Victoria is still a good candidate if her middle name starts with a J          I should specify that it was in the beginning BEFORE the intro of the players there was a small intro..that's where the VJG shows up
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 03, 2008, 05:29:23 PM
Lots of good theories everyone! Keep it coming  :wohoo:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/ththbigwelcome.gif) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/welcome.gif)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Kal_el_kitten on June 04, 2008, 02:33:52 PM

Hi Guys, I am new to this... but i was curious if anyone looked through the Opening credits and surf through some things. I found Just after it says Half million dollars there is a Green city like picture and on the left hand side you will see something pop up and in all of the text it reads "Chicago Occupation" Now the only one i know that lives in Chicago is Nicole....

Anyone else see what i saw?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: RealityLover on June 04, 2008, 02:48:47 PM
Isn't Nicole's occupation an OBGYN.  That might help with the mom clue. 
Title: Re: The Mole 3.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: RadioRocket on June 04, 2008, 03:51:43 PM
But due to interviews, Jon Kelley had no idea who was the mole at the start of the show, so we can't infer that the journal #11 belongs to the mole.  I think it has something to do with the letters missing.  "LVN".  Maybe Liz's initial?

However at the beginning Season 1 when Anderson help up a bag with Kathryn's name he had no idea who the mole was, so the producers could have conveniently placed it so Jon would pick it up.


Also going back to my clues in the opening credits. There are actually several "profile informations" floating around, I will try my best to take screenshots of them all.
I'm currently downloading the first episode.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Kal_el_kitten on June 04, 2008, 03:58:25 PM
I just noticed something else with the Chicago Occupation, there was a DOB of 12 - 5- 197? not sure what year it was... not so clear. Then there was a weight of 90K and then the height was 5'8"... Not sure who that could be... any ideas?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mrs Shrek on June 04, 2008, 09:00:43 PM
A totally on the head theory, but could the producers have turned it around and the clues be pointing to the mole's victims, ie who isn't the mole rather than who is.
 :duno: Just a thought.

Mom clue - Marcie
Lie with the eyes - Liz's wink in the cast intro
An IT clue - Craig
etc

It would be so simple to confuse things for those who know how the game has operated before, and set everyone chasing after clues for everyone BUT the Mole..
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 04, 2008, 09:35:39 PM
Thats a very good theory Mrs Shrek. I know they are throwing clues out there to mess us up.

I like Mark or Kristen for the Mole but thats a wild guess.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: tebird13 on June 04, 2008, 10:27:42 PM
Hello All,

Right now my guess is Kristen, it just a hunch at the moment.

The waterfall test I think was too hard to sabotage, the current is random so if the mole got any where close to the bad and didn't grab it then they would be very suspect.  I was also thinking the mole doesn't have to sabatoge every challenge.  There was already a greater than 50 percent chance they were grabbing for paper.

In the scavanger hunt the best place to sabatoge would be a scavanger, by not picking up an item and bringing it for appraisal.  However the whiner assigned them their tasks so the mole had no control over their role.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Chateau d If on June 04, 2008, 11:04:32 PM
Does anybody know when this was filmed.  We know this first episode is in Chile. 

But what were the dates of filming?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 04, 2008, 11:54:02 PM
I think the prefilming began around March 23rd? With waterfall challenge maybe March 28 (can't find that list though...)? and last day of filming May 1. But the finale apparently is still/ or just about  to be filmed...
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 05, 2008, 12:09:12 AM
I read the same Chateau .......

ShanSlam (http://molehypogroup.yuku.com/topic/6051) has put together a time line :)

warning there are spoilers at the link  :spoiler:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 05, 2008, 12:12:03 AM
I saw that one too but somewhere in my mole travels I saw a timeline of contestants arrive, take pre-pictures, waterfall shoot, all broken down by days and now I can't find it... :pull
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 05, 2008, 12:24:16 AM
Found it!

From greenscreener at Sucks:


Quote
March 28: Promo photos taken of each contestant (the ones you see behind the waterfall)
March 30: Over The Falls
March 31: Crusoe mission
April 1: Dinner before quiz
April 2: First quiz (after midnight), First execution


Exact dates taken from http://www.abcmedianet.com/web/display/display_main.aspx?global_id=000862&leftcol=links
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 05, 2008, 01:11:40 AM
yeah its easy their are properties on the photos

4/4/08 soccer and bike challenges
4/5/08 piggy challenge
4/6/08 execution
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Slowhatch on June 05, 2008, 03:01:49 AM
Thanks for the link, Puddin; the city that's included in the properties makes things a lot easier. I had searched Santiago and BA for the hotel; once I knew it (and the beach task) were at Concepcion, finding the El Dorado (http://www.hoteleldorado.cl/index_en.html) and the Plaza de Armas (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/970118) (execution site) was a snap. Next week, it looks like the piggys are at Pomaire (we already knew that thanks to Peach) and the soccer match and execution are at Santiago.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 05, 2008, 10:51:09 AM
Slowhatch & Chateau are going to help with the Mole, Amazing Race detectives are in the house  :wohoo:

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 05, 2008, 11:23:14 AM
Heee....hope their arms don't look too much like corkscrews!! :sucks
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: RadioRocket on June 07, 2008, 03:21:33 AM
I just noticed something else with the Chicago Occupation, there was a DOB of 12 - 5- 197? not sure what year it was... not so clear. Then there was a weight of 90K and then the height was 5'8"... Not sure who that could be... any ideas?

I think it says 1970.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Blondie on June 07, 2008, 08:08:37 PM
As I was browsing around looking for pictures. I noticed that on the official ABC Mole site, that Mark is the only contestant that had his picture taken in front of a waterfalls at almost dark.

 ???

http://abc.go.com/primetime/themole/index?pn=hostbio#t=contestant
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: RadioRocket on June 08, 2008, 12:49:17 PM
GUYS! I HAVE A SHOCKING NEW CLUE WOW!
I know 11 corresponds to CRAIG! I'm pretty sure the Mole is Craig!
When Jon held up the 11th journal it was meant to correspond to him.
In the opening credits Craig is the 11th person to be introduced...
and the most shocking clue of all...

Is when Craig says "dude, one thing at a time who cares if we're staying here or not we're jumping over a frickin waterfall, god! ********WHO CARES WHERE YOU'RE SLEEPING****************"

Why would he mention where they were sleeping BEFORE Jon Kelley told them that Marcie had to choose where they slept? I know the producers sometimes edit sequences and if this conversation was supposed to happen after Marcie announced who was sleeping where, then that eliminates Craig as a suspect. I'm pretty sure Craig is the Mole. Maybe I misheard him, but when I watching the episode again, and heard him say that you won't believe how big my jaw dropped.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Belle Book on June 08, 2008, 04:04:59 PM
Boy, there are a lot of clues that could easily be interpreted to point to one person!  One reason why I've seldom been able to spot the real Mole clues.

For the women, I think Victoria, Kristen and Nicole are the best candidates to be the Mole.  Victoria has the green thumbprint on her helmet in the first challenge -- and we saw it.  Also, she's somewhat under the radar.  The problem is that three of the previous Moles were women!  Kristen doesn't have the green thumbprint on her helmet but she's definitely under the radar, but she too is a woman in a game where three of the previous Moles were women.

The same problem goes for Nicole, but she has an added problem:  she's not under-the-radar.  In fact, she seems like the resident "bitch."  I'd probably exclude her from Mole consideration -- except for clues like "Mom" which might point to Nicole as she's an OB-GYN and the possible clue about her being from Chicago (and the "NIC" before the "IT" bit).

For the guys, I think Craig and Paul are the best candidates to be the Mole, with Clay an outside shot.  These guys are men and could thus be chosen to balance out the ratio of male/female Moles.  However, Clay is a lawyer and we had a lawyer (actually a law student) as the Mole.  Paul could certainly be the Mole -- he's expected to go far and one of his previous coalition partners was executed.  The problem is that the same thing happened to Darwin in Season 2 -- and he wasn't the Mole!  And finally, there's Craig.  I think he's our best male candidate to be the Mole.  He's so funny that nobody would probably suspect him -- and he's out-of-shape enough that most people would write off any sabotage as "Oh, he's out-of-shape."  And I think he too goes pretty far.

The others I don't think are really the Mole.  Although that clue I saw about Mark is interesting, he seems more like a Corbin Bernsen-type of player, and that type is never the Mole.  And there's the "LVN" clue that might point to Liz, but we already had an older contestant be the Mole -- Bill, and Liz is a woman as well.  So who is the Mole?  At this point, although I definitely can predict who is not the Mole and I have some good candidates for who is the Mole, I just don't know who really is the Mole.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mandoli on June 08, 2008, 10:43:10 PM
Okay, has anyone talked about this week's promo? "The ***iest Mole yet" or something like that, and everything focused on the girls. Is this something to be suspicious about, or is it just one of ABC's promo edits?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 09, 2008, 10:13:50 AM
New or no? "TONII"



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Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: TheCinera on June 09, 2008, 10:40:00 AM
"TONII" could be an anagram or an acronym.  I'm leaning towards it being an anagram because ABC could have put it as "T.O.N.I.I." if it was supposed to be an acronym.  But maybe they're throwing us off! :pull
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 09, 2008, 11:50:09 AM
Sorry about that, the clue is on the widget but now I don't see it  :lol:

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: cinni on June 09, 2008, 01:16:22 PM
this clue has been bugging me. eleven seems too obvious? what about eyelet, evener or evened? i'm sure there may be others.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marigold on June 09, 2008, 02:28:17 PM

.... more clues

The Mole's Episode 2 Clue now shows:  A B C B B    A C C B C A

The Mole Text Clue:   Heart
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 09, 2008, 03:17:20 PM
eleven letters and they match nothing that I can find as far as words if you all want to play~
A B C B B    A C C B C A


cab
baba
caca
ca bb (hmmmmmm)  :lol:
http://www.wordplays.com/fcgi-bin/complete.pl
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 09, 2008, 03:21:00 PM
this clue has been bugging me. eleven seems too obvious? what about eyelet, evener or evened? i'm sure there may be others.
emeses   
em·e·ses (-sz)
The act of vomiting.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: cinni on June 09, 2008, 03:25:11 PM
 :eww 

after seeing the new clue with eleven letters, i'll go with eleven then.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: RadioRocket on June 09, 2008, 03:51:20 PM
HAS NO ONE READ MY CLUE YET? IT MIGHT BE A BIG BREAK? GUYS! I HAVE A SHOCKING NEW CLUE WOW!
I know 11 corresponds to CRAIG! I'm pretty sure the Mole is Craig!
When Jon held up the 11th journal it was meant to correspond to him.
In the opening credits Craig is the 11th person to be introduced...
and the most shocking clue of all...

Is when Craig says "dude, one thing at a time who cares if we're staying here or not we're jumping over a frickin waterfall, god! ********WHO CARES WHERE YOU'RE SLEEPING****************"

Why would he mention where they were sleeping BEFORE Jon Kelley told them that Marcie had to choose where they slept? I know the producers sometimes edit sequences and if this conversation was supposed to happen after Marcie announced who was sleeping where, then that eliminates Craig as a suspect. I'm pretty sure Craig is the Mole. Maybe I misheard him, but when I watching the episode again, and heard him say that you won't believe how big my jaw dropped.


Also, the LVN is most likely used to fill out the E_E_E_ clue which when filled in. It is the word ELEVEN.
Which corresponds to Craig.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 09, 2008, 03:52:13 PM
if you ignore the duplicates and plot it out on a graph, it spells VW

lolol
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 09, 2008, 03:55:33 PM
regarding your clues RadioRocket,

yes the journal said 11, but it could correspond with many 11's. 11 in intro is craig. 11 over the falls, Mark. 11th around the table could be a number of folks depending on where you start. 11th chair at elimination.

as for the comment about sleeping, Mark mentions that they could be having to stay there overnight before craig responds. If anything, Mark's the mole because of that.

i do agree there are a ton of clues for craig being the mole, but many of the clues for him, can also be applied to other contestants as well. it's all about perception.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: RadioRocket on June 09, 2008, 06:49:34 PM
Mark says that "you guys gotta realize that we could end up staying here" I think he meant that no matter if they doubt if they were staying in the game, and not where they were going to sleep.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: guacaMOLE on June 09, 2008, 10:16:58 PM
Quote
A totally on the head theory, but could the producers have turned it around and the clues be pointing to the mole's victims, ie who isn't the mole rather than who is.
  Just a thought.

Mom clue - Marcie
Lie with the eyes - Liz's wink in the cast intro
An IT clue - Craig
etc

The text clue was "Heart". I'm pretty sure Yonkers Paul said something about Bobby having no heart, but going along with THIS theory Liz, the newest executee was wear heart earrings. I think. I'm pretty sure during the quiz she was wearing Heart hoops.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 09, 2008, 10:29:17 PM
LOVE your name!

 :welcome2: to RFF! :waves:

Going to look for hearts now! :lol:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 09, 2008, 10:54:28 PM
So what's with the Pisco Sours?? ???

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/Piscosour.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: twilightz0ne on June 09, 2008, 11:45:28 PM
ok, I am so new to this.  I watched the Mole before when it was on but did not know that there was so much discussion about the clues or that there were so many clues.

I don't know how you guys find all these clues or where they come from.  I watch it, I rewatch it and most of the time I miss all this stuff unless I come on here and read it. :duno: 

Anyone have any tips for me to get on board with you guys....lol

Thanks
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 10, 2008, 12:16:52 AM
ok, I am so new to this.  I watched the Mole before when it was on but did not know that there was so much discussion about the clues or that there were so many clues.

I don't know how you guys find all these clues or where they come from.  I watch it, I rewatch it and most of the time I miss all this stuff unless I come on here and read it. :duno: 

Anyone have any tips for me to get on board with you guys....lol

Thanks
Welcome to the forum twilightz0ne :bigwelcome, I'm not sure that I can help but you can start here for the clues  :duno:. I'm not good at spotting the clues either so don't feel bad.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/themole/index?pn=index
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 10, 2008, 12:28:32 AM
:welcome2: to RFF, twilightzOne!!

I recommend developing a severe case of paranoia, regard everything with acute suspicion, and examine the videos closely for clues...

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15585.msg303109.html#msg303109

And then hang around here --our team is good! :tup: :lol:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 10, 2008, 02:49:19 AM
ooo nice catch on the Heart earrings.

Funny how we have a "Find the Mom" clue (i don't think that's a real clue but that's me) and in 2 eppies, both moms are executed...followed by Craig saying that Liz was like a mother to all of them.

also notice that Craig gets the final comment of every episode? Eppy 1 he said that the wrong person should have gone, it should have been Nicole. Then tonight's eppy, he made the mom comment.

*strokes chin* eeeenterestinggg
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on June 10, 2008, 09:30:48 AM

First episode:
#11 on the journal put that number in our heads so we would get this right
  E_E_E_

11th person in intro was Craig.  After going over the waterfall Craig said:  "the rope just goes taut and chokes me like a hanged man.

E_E_E_  =  hangman


mobile clue:
NIC @ IT  =  NICATIT  =  TITANIC

On the boat on the way to the island for scavenger game, Craig is in the very front of the boat with his arms stretched out like in the movie Titanic.


During the scavenger hunt game, the host mentioned that Robinson Crusoe was based on Alexander Selkirk.  If you google that name you will find that his name at birth was Alexander Selcraig.  Pretty big coincidence there.

And don't forget who brought over the big sign that said someone was going home that night.  Craig.


Episode 2:

Everyone was on Bobby for being in the wheelbarrow (where he never should have been at all) but it was Craig that suggested it.  In his confessional thing Craig says:  I noticed Bobby limping so I told him to get in the wheelbarrow.
The mole would do this to slow the team down so that only 2 teams were looking for pigs.  I have yet to figure out why he helped when they got back and took over for Victoria, unless it was to ease a little suspicion from himself or maybe he figured they needed SOMETHING in the pot or people would start giving up.  IDK

At all other times in both episodes, Craig has been wearing his glasses, but he did not have them when they arrived for the pig challenge and did not have them the entire time.  He did have them back on later though.  Maybe they are just clear lenses and doesn't really need them?  This could be lying with his eyes.

I haven't went through the second episode good enough yet to have any ideas about the new clues but hopefully I will be back to post something.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: TheCinera on June 10, 2008, 09:49:12 AM
First of all,
:welcome: To RFF: Knuckles, twilightzOne, and guacaMOLE!

Knuckles - your Triple E theory litterally made my jaw drop.  I never thought of the hangman aspect of the clue, and you're correct!  That is, if Craig is the Mole.  And I am absolutely convinced he is the mole now.  And good job at the Titanic clue!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on June 10, 2008, 11:48:30 AM
Just a casual watcher here for now...will probably change soon though. Unfortunately, I did miss the first Ep.

Question though.

Looking at this picture...

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/Molewaitingforthequiz.jpg)

Why is it that the back row is all males, and the front row is all females, except for the one pair that have switched?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 10, 2008, 01:03:22 PM
:welcome2: to RFF, jskura!

I have no clue though--unless they put the taller ones in back?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 10, 2008, 04:14:46 PM
knuckles - great catch on the glasses. Folks have thought the lying with my eyes clue was Craig simply cause he wears glasses but i thought it was a huge stretch. Your explanation, however, makes total sense! I wear glasses and there is NO way that on a challenge like directing a piggy to a spot in the distance would i *ever* go without glasses. Unless he needs his just for close up things and he's ok with distances, i can't see him *not* needing them.

excellent catch!

someone on another website mentioned another clue about craig but i want to verify it for myself this aftrnoon when i re-watch the show before i mention it. If it's true, that's another nail on the coffin for craig being mole.

i really hope he's not though. I hope he's just a wannabe mole so the viewers don't have it figured out so soon.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: WTH2581 on June 10, 2008, 05:36:43 PM
New here. What a coincidence, I also think Craig is the mole. It seems really obvious, but the text clue of "heart" is mentioned in Craig's bio on the website. It says, "He is a lovable prankster with a big heart, and his magnetic personality has gotten him through life."

Oh and does anyone know what time the first texts were sent? I signed up for them after the 1st episode so I didn't get the first ones. The times might be important. They sent the original "heart" one at 3:00 PM, then the one today at 1:00 PM exactly.

EDIT: I'll see how this plays out next week, but if it spells ELEVEN, maybe the L, V, and N are clues to something else...like the order of people being eliminated. Liz..Victoria...Nicole??
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rob on June 10, 2008, 07:44:01 PM

.... more clues

The Mole's Episode 2 Clue now shows:  A B C B B    A C C B C A

Quiz Answers??????????????????
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 10, 2008, 08:33:40 PM
more with the hearts: (some have already been mentioned)

- liz had heart hoop earrings on (and i believe a heart ring as well)
- Paul (or was it alex) said Bobby had no heart
- Bobby wrote "I heart Alex" in his journal
- Craig's bio says he has a big heart
- Craig wore an upside down heart on his shirt in the eppy

As for the ABCBBACCBCA clue, I don't think it corresponds with quiz answers as questions 3 and 8  only have two possible answers yet they are C's in the clue.

I attempted to apply it to the ransom note, but it only had 9 lines and it didn't spell anything. I looked at the start and end letters of each line and they didn't either. I know in other seasons, notes have usually held clues.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: WTH2581 on June 10, 2008, 09:05:40 PM
I think the Titanic clue has me thoroughly convinced that it's Craig. They only showed him doing it for a second and if you weren't looking you would've missed it.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: p1a55b1idii on June 11, 2008, 08:30:07 AM
There might be another clue that points to Craig. In the first episode intro Craig is the only one without any type of graphics(the circly things) next to his name or hometown. The text doesn't change either. Plus he's a graphic artist. That might be something that's not so obvious  so maybe that's a clue.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 11, 2008, 12:07:23 PM
i normally would have disregarded the intro graphic as a clue, chalking it up to maybe craig being a last minute addition. But now that episode 2's intro DOES have the circles and animation on his intro, it all but proves they knew it was different from the rest and purposely made it that way.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on June 11, 2008, 12:34:06 PM
Does anyone know where a Canadian would be able to watch the episodes online?

ABC doesnt like me too much, and I would like to be able to go back and watch what I missed.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marigold on June 11, 2008, 12:53:27 PM
Does anyone know where a Canadian would be able to watch the episodes online?

ABC doesnt like me too much, and I would like to be able to go back and watch what I missed.

The only place I can think of is youtube

It has all the episodes there you can watch over and over, hope that helps

Try this link:  http://www.youtube.com/user/moleclassic (http://www.youtube.com/user/moleclassic)

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on June 11, 2008, 04:08:52 PM
Does anyone know where a Canadian would be able to watch the episodes online?

ABC doesnt like me too much, and I would like to be able to go back and watch what I missed.

The only place I can think of is youtube

It has all the episodes there you can watch over and over, hope that helps

Try this link:  http://www.youtube.com/user/moleclassic (http://www.youtube.com/user/moleclassic)



Sweet Thanks!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: multi007 on June 11, 2008, 06:06:03 PM
I'm new here. welcome to me and hello to you all  :waves:

MY observations are based on the contestants personalities, reactions, and interactions with each other.  Using process of elimination, I am going to break my logic down...  Bare with me if I sound stupid - this is my first posting of this kind.

I cant believe the theory mentioned in a previous post "What if the clues are pointing to who is NOT the Mole."  Impossible to point that out unless its all done in post production....  I don't think there was enough time for the writers and producers to come up with that type of ingenuity from December 07 (when it was decided that the writer's strike was the reason why the Mole was brought back into production)  up to the actual start of filming - March 08.   3 months or so of preproduction does NOT give enough time to be that ingenious.  Pointing out who the Mole is, instead of who the mole isn't, is much much easier for the producers.

I like the clues about Craig but I'm not convinced - yet.  There are more clues that were shown in the opening credits that mean nothing right now, but may end up meaning something later.  The Chicago 12/5/1970 clue - well no one in the game is 38 (?) years old so is that a clue to throw us off or does that mean something? 

Paul - cant be the mole - he is too hyped up on finding the mole, too excited about getting the exemption in the pig, to hot headed to be the mole. (the real mole is better off playing it cool and calm while making small plays to sabotage the team). A typical New Yorker - not a problem though as I am one too!

Bobby - strong possibility as being the mole because he either 1) is faking his health to slow down the team, or 2) has a legitimate physical disability that is throwing us all off.

Craig - maybe - the other entries/clues pointing out Craig as a possible mole could be applied to him or other contestants - not too clear.  The only thing about him that makes me think he "could" be the mole is the way his demeanor is, how he acts and reacts. He is very calm, cool and collected - very similar to the way Bill was in the first season of Mole.   However one thing that sticks in my mind is that he is always talking about how Nicole should have been executed instead of "enter name".  Reason to think he is not the mole - why fix the sling shot even if he knows how, if he is the mole?  Only to throw off the other contestants or if he really is not the mole.

Alex - No way - not the mole.  He used Spanish fluently to converse with the townspeople to find almost all of the pigs they could before running out of time. If he were the mole, he would have 1) used his Spanish skills to direct the team in the wrong direction, 2) never even would have admitted to knowing Spanish at all.  He could have done what bobby did "me llama bobby" - very funny by the way!

Mark - Very possible.  He pushed that bike up that long hill to earn an exemption.  Either way,  if he is or is not the mole, it was in his best interest to win.  If he won, he got an exemption, if he lost, the team got $35,000.

Kristen - very possible. See above Mark comment. Same thing applies

Clay and Ali ?  For me, Clay is much like Bill was - quite. Kept to himself. Etc..

Victoria...  originally, she was quite, keeping to herself , no clear clues to point me in either direction with one BIG exception... Victoria is now getting on Paul's back because of his remarks about Bobby.  Victoria is feeling bad about Bobby being attacked by Paul and is coming to Bobby's defense.  If Victoria WAS the mole, would she really come to the defense of another contestant?  I think not. 

Im still wondering what the E_E_E means - even if its eleven, then what? Eleven what?   hard to tell right now.  Just read a post above, Craid's bio mentions "heart".  I think that is too obvious.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: TexasLady on June 11, 2008, 06:15:53 PM
I'm new here. welcome to me and hello to you all  :waves:


First of all, welcome to all our new RFF members! :welcome: :ty4posting  :gj:

Multi007, thanks for your post. I'm new to the Mole, never watched it before. (Not to mention I haven't seen the first episode yet..)

Your analysis is very helpful for me, no matter who is the mole, I do tend to think you are correct on the people who aren't the mole based on their behavior.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: CJ22 on June 11, 2008, 09:04:03 PM
Just wanted to add a little more I noticed with the first quiz that I feel points right to Craig being The Mole.

1. Is the mole male/female? - they show Ail who says nothing

2.  When did the mole jump in the over the falls mission? - Craig talking about Marcie's choices (she gets eliminated)

3. In the Crusoe mission which group was the mole assigned to? - Liz who says "the two items that were not found would have been easy for the mole to make sure they weren't found." (they show Craig looking in the sand) liz is referring to Craig's group

4. On the first night where was the mole assigned to sleep?  Marcie says "Outside is Nicole, Liz, Craig and Bobby" hmm Craig's group again - Bobby goes on a rant about Kristen being a great potential mole.

5.  As it is written on the moles bag does the mole have an even or odd number of letters in their name?
- They Zoom in on Bobby's bag I know this isn't Craig who I think is obviously  the mole but isn't interesting that they have the same number of letters per the question?

6. What is the Moles age? - Marcie's questions if Nicole is the Mole who mentions sleeping outside

7. In over the falls what was the outcome of the Mole's attempt? - they show Craig going over the falls.

8. Did the mole drive one of the vans to the beach? - they show us the drivers.

9. At the start of the Crusoe mission was the mole wearing a hat? - Vicotria comments on Bobby running.  OK pause it here this is obviously a weird question only 3 of the 12 have on a hat here so common sense would say guess no you have more odds. The people wearing the hat were Paul, Liz, and Craig. Why would they ask this???? Im guessing Craig doesn't wear a hat again.

10. Who is the Mole? - Alex sitting thinking.

Question 9 is the kicker to me.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: washburn927 on June 11, 2008, 10:37:04 PM
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand how everyone is getting "Titanic" out of NIC@IT. "Titanic" has 2 t's, but NIC@IT has only 1. The best you could get is Tianic. Let me know if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 11, 2008, 10:40:31 PM
NIC--AT--IT  ;)

 :welcome: :hithere:

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: washburn927 on June 11, 2008, 11:15:09 PM
oh, now I see. I feel dumb. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 11, 2008, 11:30:47 PM
Don't worry...I didn't get it either! :lol3:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 11, 2008, 11:59:02 PM
Since I'm not very molish, I only get it because of all of you that contribute and I enjoy reading your theories, so I'm just sitting back and taking it all in and watching everything unfold, keep it coming :gj: .

welcome everyone  :welcome: :ty4posting

:popcorn:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on June 12, 2008, 10:54:44 AM
Maybe, Puddin, isn't very molish, but she sure is smartish.  And not a bad wench either :hearts:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: cinni on June 12, 2008, 12:18:54 PM
aha! i've figured it out,  puddin is the mole!  :yess:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 12, 2008, 01:30:19 PM
Who knew I had my own fan club?  :lol:  :hearts:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: huntingdownthemole on June 12, 2008, 03:31:57 PM
hey u guys. did u see the clue card in the middle of the 1st page? theres a bunch of letters. doesnt that that resemble as when u go to an eye doctor to do a test for your eyes  to see if u need glasses...aka craig with glasses and the clue "I lie with my eyes".
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: multi007 on June 12, 2008, 05:24:45 PM
I just had 2 other thoughts! :hyper:    Bare with me...  I get excited easily... :jumpy:

1) What if the " I lie with my eyes" clue is not directed towards eyeglasses but towards  contact lenses? 
2) Also, what if someone wears colored contact lenses to change their original eye color? Would they not then be qualified for this clue too?    Is it then safe to assume that only females would wear colored contact lenses?  I know no males in my lifetime who wear colored contacts  This is more of a female vanity thing than male.  imo.

Thoughts?

Anthony
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: tebird13 on June 12, 2008, 06:23:42 PM
I watched episode 2 twice now and something bothered me about the soccer game.  Alex had said he played soccer in High School and when he did his penatly kick he did something any soccer player knows you can't do.  You only get to kick the ball once in a penalty kick, you cannot dribble it which he did.  Was he trying to get his kicked disallowed?  Plus even his second kick was so lame, right at the kid goalie.  In pigs fly he did good job of using his spanish skills to get a lot of pigs, but as the group guested he was the one launching them and would not let anyone else do it.  Was the first part of getting many pigs his coverup to waste many of them in the launch portion.  The more he controlled the more he can see not wind up as money.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: WTH2581 on June 12, 2008, 09:38:07 PM
I've heard about people figuring out that Paul is gonna make it really far, which only furthers the idea of Craig as the mole. In the first episode Paul admitted that Craig was his biggest suspicion because "He can fail and everyone will still be happy for him." So if Paul makes it really far, it's obvious that Craig is the mole.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on June 12, 2008, 10:24:36 PM


The mobile text clue this week is HEART and the only thing I can attribute it to is a line from Craigs contestant bio.

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Craig considers himself to be a prankster with a big heart and a magnetic personality.


So that seems to fit.   The only other thing I can find about a heart is Bobby writing in his journal "I heart Alex" but he has been spoiled as leaving before taping ended so he is ruled out and I pay no attention to that pathetic waste of space.

As for the ABC clue card with the letters on them, I have no idea what it means.  I thought perhaps something to do with the quiz.  There are 11 letters though so one of them would have to be thrown out so I don't think that's it.  Plus, I tried doing the quiz for each player, answering as if they were the mole.  None of the results came close to matching it even throwing out a letter.  I hope that makes sense.

Since there are 11 letters and 11 players, I am thinking it might have something to do with the seating at the execution.  I got this from another site.  he didn't know what it might mean and neither do I.  This is the way they were sitting.


A - Bobby, B - Craig, C - Kristen, B - Alex, B - Mark
A - Clay, C - Nicole, C - Liz, B - Victoria, C - Ali, A - Paul

A - Bobby, Clay, Paul
B - Craig, Alex, Mark, Victoria
C - Kristen, Nicole, Liz, Ali



In one of his confessionals Craig was talking about the Ham it Up contest. He said: "I saw Bobby limping and I said Bobby get in the wheelbarrow."

So while everyone was on Bobby for being in the wheelbarrow (which he never should have done anyway) not a word was said about Craig telling him to get in. A very good mole act that caused no suspicion on him.   And if you look at the episode again, right after Craigs confessional, you see Bobby RUN to get in. lmao He's just a sissy that doesn't want to do anything. I also noticed Craig didn't have much trouble jogging alongside the wheelbarrow for quite a ways so he's not out of shape as much as he might try to claim later.

Craig has worn his glasses the entire time in both episodes, except for when they were doing the pig challenge. At no time did he have them with him from the time they arrived for the challenge until they were done and left.   He did have them on later though and for the remainder of the episode. They could just be clear glass and this is the "I lie with my eyes" part.

Craig has been the first one to speak after both executions.  That could be taken as the mole giving his thoughts about his victim.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on June 13, 2008, 02:48:07 PM
Dont forget there is also some editing happening here. Craig may have been the first one shown to say something, so be wary there.

I'm goin to edit this in a second, I want to try something out with that letters clue.

Ok, the letters in the clue are

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A B C B B    A C C B C A

I'm wondering if there is something to do numerically with this.

It could be
Quote
1 2 3 2 2   1 3 3 2 3 2

Which I will admit doesnt make much sense to me at all.

Watching both episodes though, I wonder if it had something to do with the executions.

The first episode had 6 people get test results.
Ali, Victoria, Paul, Bobby, Mark, Marcie
1      3            3       2          3         2
A       C           C       B          C        B
The second episode, had 5 people get test results
Clay, Alex, Victoria, Bobby, Liz
1         2         3           2       2
A         B         C           B       B

So, do with that what you want. But notice that the people that had test results both times (Victoria and Bobby) would both end up with the same letter.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: randallcornelius on June 13, 2008, 05:06:18 PM
Hi guys, new to the forum. Watched every season of the mole so far though.

jskura, regarding that last post, i don't think the eleven letters that were given are grades to the quizzes. If that were the case, Marcie wouldn't have left the first episode because she didn't have the worst grade. Unless i'm missing something....


i like the theories so far, good work! Thanks to you people, Craig is at the top of my list as the mole, with Paul and Victoria at 2 and 3, respectively.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on June 13, 2008, 07:01:09 PM
I was just trying to put some new information out there. If someone can make some sense of it, so be it.  :angel:

I have Bobby on my watch list, along with Alex. The way they acted in Ep 2 was suspicious enough for me.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on June 13, 2008, 07:23:09 PM

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Dont forget there is also some editing happening here. Craig may have been the first one shown to say something, so be wary there.


I'm well aware of editing and that is exactly the point.  Scenes can be, and always are, edited to fit the way the producers WANT us to see the show.  That is how they manufacture the clues for us and tell us what they want to tell us.  They also always leave out the things they DON'T want us to see.


Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 13, 2008, 07:33:54 PM
Thanks for the analysis jskura!

I've been thinking it was some kind of code all week too!

Reading up on cryptography 101... :lol3:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: randallcornelius on June 13, 2008, 07:57:44 PM
following up jskura's theory, i change my mind and i think i have a breakthrough on the letters clue....

the clue card showed that the letters look like this:

ABCBB
ACCBCA

i was looking at some screen shots for the seating arrangement in episode 2 for the elimination and the seating arrangement is as follows:

        Bobby             Craig          Kristen                  Alex             Mark

            A                   B                   C                         B                 B



Clay             Nicole             Liz                Victoria                Ali               Paul

  A                  C                   C                     B                      C                  A



based on that, we can see that clay, bobby, and paul had the highest grades on the quiz. Also, you can see that Liz had one of the lowest, and therefore, gets voted off.

if this concept is correct, we can assume that clay, bobby, or paul is the mole. Thanks, jskura, you were right on the theory about them being grades, i think.  :js:


 

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 13, 2008, 08:01:42 PM
supposedly Francis Bacon had an ABC code but it's based on 3 letter combinations and could realistically spell out almost anything.

other than that, i can't find any other ABC coding.

He also had a Baconian Cipher but that relies on just A's and B's.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on June 13, 2008, 11:12:16 PM
following up jskura's theory, i change my mind and i think i have a breakthrough on the letters clue....

the clue card showed that the letters look like this:

ABCBB
ACCBCA

i was looking at some screen shots for the seating arrangement in episode 2 for the elimination and the seating arrangement is as follows:

        Bobby             Craig          Kristen                  Alex             Mark

            A                   B                   C                         B                 B



Clay             Nicole             Liz                Victoria                Ali               Paul

  A                  C                   C                     B                      C                  A



based on that, we can see that clay, bobby, and paul had the highest grades on the quiz. Also, you can see that Liz had one of the lowest, and therefore, gets voted off.

if this concept is correct, we can assume that clay, bobby, or paul is the mole. Thanks, jskura, you were right on the theory about them being grades, i think.  :js:


 



w00t. I knew my somewhat incoherent ramblings would turn out to be something. However, based on that, Craig wouldnt be the mole, as everyone here seems to think.

Interesting indeed.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 14, 2008, 12:44:15 AM
everyone except me! lolol

yes there are overwhelming and copious amounts of clues indicating Craig is the mole. For that reason alone, i am striking him off my list.

I went with Clay from the start and i'm sticking to it. Maybe it's just cause i'm stubborn cause there's nothing really to point to him.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: multi007 on June 14, 2008, 09:35:12 AM
Dont forget, Its not just who scored the lowest on the quiz but also who finished the fastest.  For example, if everyone got 4 questions wrong, the person who took the longest to finish the quiz would be the one who got executed.  So its not all about answering the questions. It also has to do with speed - as far as being a "tie breaker".
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on June 14, 2008, 11:18:27 AM
That would explain the 4 C's, and the reason Liz got the axe.

But if this theory is correct, Craig only got a B, while there were a number of others who received an A
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Blondie on June 14, 2008, 11:58:23 AM
What other words can we make out of the heart clue?

earth
hater

??
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on June 14, 2008, 12:43:41 PM

There was obviously a lot of work and thought that has gone into the grade theory, and even though it could be right, I hesitate to think it is actually grades for a couple reasons.

The main reason is because the clues we receive are for one specific person.  The mole.  They never refer to a group of people.  Although one clue to be applied to more than one person, there has never in the course of all 5 seasons been a clue that just narrows it down to a group.  Not an actual clue anyways.  And this is an actual clue.  Even if at the end of the season the mole happens to be someone from the "A" group, it is merely going to be coincidence just going by the grade theory and applying it to a small group.  There are all types of things in the show that can be attributed to a group and at the end if the mole is in one of those groups we could say, "see, we knew the mole looked for pigs".

The second reason is based on the first reason.  Not knowing how each person answered the quiz, or even if there was a tie and they had to use the slowest time, this does us no good.  The clue cards and mobile text clues are based on information that they have shown us.  That provides us the needed tools to apply the clue to a single person.  Those two types of clues aren't based on speculation or things we have to guess about.  We have the necessary information whether we realize it or not.  It's just up to us to figure out the proper way to decode it.

Other clues in the show, and again I am speaking of actual clues and not just things we latch onto and think could be a clue, are provided not only for us at home but also the players in the game.  Not having access to or even  knowledge of the clues ABC gives us, the show has to provide additional clues so they can spot the mole.  They just have to be on their toes like we do and realize they have information pointing to one specific person and figure out the way to decode it.

So I hate to say it but I truly believe we just haven't figured out the proper way to decipher this particular clue yet.

I've seen the groupings in the previous post that use the seating at the execution, and not being able to figure it out that way, I even did a new list using the seating at the meal before the execution.  It gives a different set of groups but again, it is completely useless since we don't know what to do with it from there.

And in case anyone wants to try the new groupings, at the dinner table Jon was seated at the end and then 5 players down one side of the table and 6 down the other.

Craig, Bobby, Kristen, Clay, Alex....Jon on the end
Mark, Ali, Victoria, Paul, Liz, Nicole


A= Craig, Mark, Nicole
B= Bobby, Clay, Alex, Paul
C= Kristen, Ali, Victoria, Liz

 
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: multi007 on June 14, 2008, 03:01:38 PM
That would explain the 4 C's, and the reason Liz got the axe.

But if this theory is correct, Craig only got a B, while there were a number of others who received an A

Not necessarily.  The problem is we are not told how each person performed on the quiz.  Its hard for us to predict if a person who got executed, Liz for example, got executed because she was the slowest during a tie breaker, or because she answer more questions wrong than the others.   Its not a perfect theory but just another thing to look at.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: multi007 on June 14, 2008, 03:05:03 PM

  They never refer to a group of people.  Although one clue to be applied to more than one person, there has never in the course of all 5 seasons been a clue that just narrows it down to a group.  Not an actual clue anyways.  And this is an actual clue.


This is very true.  I do believe this clue has something specific to do with the mole.   I wonder though if the producers are going to have a clear revealing of who the mole is like it did during season 2 like "Bill is the Mole". 
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: washburn927 on June 14, 2008, 09:17:20 PM
I just had some ideas that I'm gonna throw out there, and let me know what ya'll think. I've noticed several religous symbols that the camera focused on during one of the episodes, and I've also read several posts commenting on them, e.g., the virgin Mary, the picture depicting the disciples, and the statues. I also noticed that Victoria did the Catholic sign just before taking the quiz. Someone else noted the "Italia" jacket that Jon Kelley wore before the soccer challenge. Combining that with the other religious symbols, I remembered that the Vatican is in Rome, Italy, and that Italy is famous for its Catholicism. So, perhaps the mole is Catholic. But it also makes me suspicious of Ali, who prayed before she went over the waterfall in the first episode. I believe she wears a cross necklace as well. One more thing--she is from St. Louis, which is a Catholic name. Again, these religious things could be meaningless, but then again, they could be subtle clues.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: olivesandhummus on June 15, 2008, 08:42:35 AM
In one of the intros, who is it that says "I've got some things planned, we'll see who survives"?? ... I know it's one of the guys, but I can't remember who it is!! I just thought this was kind of macho for one of them to say... unless it was actually the Mole. I searched the thread and can't find it.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: olivesandhummus on June 15, 2008, 02:02:10 PM
I went back and found that quote I was talking about was in one of the previews building up to the show. It was Alex who said it.

I also went back and watched the soccer game again, and I noticed that Clay was wearing jersey #11.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: randallcornelius on June 15, 2008, 04:16:35 PM
i can't get my mind off of that letters clue...

i still think that the seating at the elimination might be what the clue is referring to, i wanna throw something else out there...

what about the word "heart", the other clue, being used as a cipher for the letters clue? maybe? i just want to throw it out there...


and good point at clay wearing jersey #11, good catch.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: olivesandhummus on June 15, 2008, 09:43:41 PM
at first I thought the heart clue referred to Craig because someone said his profile mentioned he had a "big heart", and the clue was written HEART in caps (i.e. a big heart). But now that there have been sightings of many hearts (earrings, Bobby and the journal, etc.) I think it might be a helping tool toward another clue too.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: washburn927 on June 16, 2008, 10:49:06 AM
Responding to the fact that Clay was wearing the #11 jersey, I also noticed that in both episodes, just before the execution, the camera focused in on Clay's bag first each time. However, I can't get the religious clues off my mind because in years past there's been so many clues in the pictures and camera shots before and during the execution. This season, there's been many shots of the crucifixion, Mary, etc. I also noticed one more thing in episode 2 I believe (maybe it's ep. 1). During the execution, there's a shadow on the wall that looks like a cross. Also, if you read my previous post above, you'll notice that I was suspicious of Ali. Jon Kelley's "Italia" jacket contains Ali's name (itALIa). My gut still tells me the mole is Clay, though, even though there's not many clues pointing to him just because 3 of the 4 moles have been females.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: TheCinera on June 16, 2008, 01:34:26 PM
ABC.com released a new clue online: "s666 - LIAr"
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 16, 2008, 01:39:12 PM
No idea Cinera

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Post by: puddin on June 16, 2008, 01:41:11 PM
From the ABC boards
Text clue~
The clue is: grapes.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 16, 2008, 01:42:53 PM
QuizHere are the questions for the third Quiz:


Question 1: Is the Mole?

Male
Female


Question 2: During the "Fruit of the Luge" mission, which group did the Mole join?

Can't Trust Anyone
Trust Blindly


Question 3: Who was the Mole paired with during "Fruit of the Luge" ?

Paul
Ali
Clay
Bobby
Mark
Kristen
Victoria
Craig
Alex
Nicole


Question 4: In the "Fruit of the Luge" mission, did the Mole put two apples in their fruit line-up/answer?

Yes
No


Question 5: How much money did the Mole's team ultimately add to the pot during the "Fruit of the Luge" mission?

$ 0
$ 2,000
$ 10,000
$ 14,000

Question 6: In the spa portion of the "Dress Code" mission, what kind of specialty massage did the Mole receive?

Grape   :snicker:
Chocolate
Hot Stone
The Mole did not receive a specialty massage


Question 7: Did the Mole participate in the "Dress Code" mission?

Yes
No


Question 8: What was the composition of the Mole's team during "Dress Code"?

All Male
All Female
Mix of both male and female
The Mole did not participate in the Dress Code mission


Question 9: In what order did the Mole's group enter the restaurant during "Dress Code"?

First
Second
Third
The mole did not enter the restaurant


Question 10: Who is the Mole?

Alex
Ali
Bobby
Clay
Craig
Kristen
Mark
Nicole
Paul
Victoria



Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on June 16, 2008, 07:51:48 PM
following up jskura's theory, i change my mind and i think i have a breakthrough on the letters clue....

the clue card showed that the letters look like this:

ABCBB
ACCBCA

i was looking at some screen shots for the seating arrangement in episode 2 for the elimination and the seating arrangement is as follows:

        Bobby             Craig          Kristen                  Alex             Mark

            A                   B                   C                         B                 B



Clay             Nicole             Liz                Victoria                Ali               Paul

  A                  C                   C                     B                      C                  A



based on that, we can see that clay, bobby, and paul had the highest grades on the quiz. Also, you can see that Liz had one of the lowest, and therefore, gets voted off.

if this concept is correct, we can assume that clay, bobby, or paul is the mole. Thanks, jskura, you were right on the theory about them being grades, i think.  :js:


 



One more thing I am going to throw out here on this.

There were only 11 people at the first execution, as Dr Whiner spent that night on the beach.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2008, 08:10:32 PM
Fruit of the Luge...

Grapes wine, holy wine, sour grapes

LIAr   There is an ALI in there :lol: 

666 = sign of the devil--more religious imagery

6th letter =F

S+fff = ??? chef? :lol:

Just thinking out loud here! :lol3:

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on June 16, 2008, 08:18:20 PM
No idea Cinera

The word critical is sitting just to the left of Episode 3.

s666 - LIAr
is
rAIL - 666s

maybe we see rails being evil?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 16, 2008, 08:34:04 PM
I think I know who goes but I won't spill the beans
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2008, 08:50:53 PM
You can spill in spoilers! :lol:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 16, 2008, 08:52:17 PM
I did, my OCD made me do it :D
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 16, 2008, 08:53:57 PM
oh what a tease you are! lololol

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 16, 2008, 09:14:01 PM
I wouldn't call it a spoiler, more like process of elimination Rabbit  :angel:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2008, 09:22:13 PM
I did, my OCD made me do it :D

oh okay, I thought you had something new! :lol:

I agree with you BTW...  ;)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on June 16, 2008, 10:00:13 PM
So, after all that, I am leaning towards Nicole.

Doubling the apple, and I didnt hear her mention the avacado at the end which would make the double apple a little more obvious.

AND, she just happened to be in the group that found the laundromat with the clothes?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2008, 10:07:02 PM
That's why I rule her out...too obvious for me! :lol:

Back to the LIAr clue...

Remember Jon had the ITAL-LIA shirt last time too...

"LIA" is getting a workout and now we know it shouldn't relate to Ali... :duno:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: tebird13 on June 16, 2008, 10:08:27 PM
I am still leaning towards Alex, he got another chance to sabatoge by pretending Nicole said green apple twice and not that she was just confirming the clue.  He seems to be involved anytime the group loses money.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: tebird13 on June 16, 2008, 10:14:58 PM
It looked like to me that Nicole and Paul were really giving some extra thought in taking the money and run.  Paul even cursed when Ali stood up.  Was this acting on both their parts or did they eliminate themselves from being the 'Mole'
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 16, 2008, 10:21:22 PM
What they didn't show was Nicole standing and thinking about taking the 20,000
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Cyann on June 16, 2008, 10:27:52 PM
This is back to the Chicago 12/5/1970 clue from the credits.  If you use the European date style and google May 12, 1970, Chicago, you find out that Ernie Banks of the Chicago Cubs hit his 500th home run on that date in a game at Wrigley Field, off of Pat Jarvis of the Atlanta Braves.  Could this point to anyone?  I didn't find anything interesting for December 5th.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: guacaMOLE on June 16, 2008, 10:52:12 PM
So the text clue was "grapes" and Bobby was given a grape massage. Then he went home. Liz had heart hoops and the clue was "heart" when she went home.

Coincidence?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on June 16, 2008, 10:52:46 PM
I'm still puttin my money on Nicole. Her reactions at the execution seemed a little...acted
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 16, 2008, 10:59:59 PM
This is back to the Chicago 12/5/1970 clue from the credits.  If you use the European date style and google May 12, 1970, Chicago, you find out that Ernie Banks of the Chicago Cubs hit his 500th home run on that date in a game at Wrigley Field, off of Pat Jarvis of the Atlanta Braves.  Could this point to anyone?  I didn't find anything interesting for December 5th.

NICE! cyann! Wish I knew what it meant! :lol:

And :welcome2: to RFF!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: andersoncooper0 on June 16, 2008, 11:32:19 PM
regarding the clue for tonight - grapes.  right before they showed the players taking the test, the cameras showed what looked to be a marble statue that was holding something in between its fingers.  the statue looked like a normal renaissance statue representing the "Bacchus" who was the god of wine.  and the thing it was holding was a grape.  and then the first person showed taking the test was nicole.  don't know where really to go with that or if it connects with anything but its something to think about
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Cyann on June 17, 2008, 08:38:38 AM
More fun with google -- S.666 is a senate bill aimed at giving the FDA more power to regulate tobacco products.  One interesting thing about it was that the bill was introduced by Senator DeWine -- possibly a connection to the grapes clue?  And the Pisco sours mentioned here and there in different episodes could also point to wine, as Pisco is a brandy made from grapes, which also make wine.

Of course I have no idea what to do with that information. :lol:  I've been googling Chilean wine and Pisco looking for anything that might shed light on the LIAr part of the clue, but not finding anything.  It's possible, though, that the "grapes" and "s666" clues are meant to point out more than one player who might be linked to wine (who's been shown drinking it?), and the LIAr is meant to narrow that group down to just one, so the two halves of the clue don't necessarily have to be related.

Anyway, maybe a lot to hang on an obscure Senate bill!  I'd be a little more confident of my interpretation if the clue had been written as "S.666-LIAr" rather than "s666-LIAr", but what can you do?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: tallactor on June 17, 2008, 11:11:48 AM
So I've been a big fan of the series since the beginning, but just now started scrutinizing the clues...

Let's start at the beginning...the Mole website. 

Can anyone make out what the background says on the right hand side...it starts out with wikipedia.org/wik

Could this be something we've missed...or am I just on the wrong track?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on June 17, 2008, 11:24:11 AM
More fun with google -- S.666 is a senate bill aimed at giving the FDA more power to regulate tobacco products.  One interesting thing about it was that the bill was introduced by Senator DeWine -- possibly a connection to the grapes clue?  And the Pisco sours mentioned here and there in different episodes could also point to wine, as Pisco is a brandy made from grapes, which also make wine.

Of course I have no idea what to do with that information. :lol:  I've been googling Chilean wine and Pisco looking for anything that might shed light on the LIAr part of the clue, but not finding anything.  It's possible, though, that the "grapes" and "s666" clues are meant to point out more than one player who might be linked to wine (who's been shown drinking it?), and the LIAr is meant to narrow that group down to just one, so the two halves of the clue don't necessarily have to be related.

Anyway, maybe a lot to hang on an obscure Senate bill!  I'd be a little more confident of my interpretation if the clue had been written as "S.666-LIAr" rather than "s666-LIAr", but what can you do?

If S666 refers to a Senate Bill, what session of Congress (year?)  Each session of congress starts numbering bills from 001 again.  The next session of  Congress begins Jan 3 2009.  So S666 could be from almost any session of Congress.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 17, 2008, 01:27:52 PM
Okay... I've been lurking for the past few days and can't stand not getting in on the discussion!

My take so far on s666 - LIAr:

rail - marks (666 = mark of the beast) (Maybe a visual or something to do with Mark? The only thing remotely close that I noticed were the stripes on Clay's sleeves that could resemble rails and that's prolly a big stretch!)

I also picked up on something that I thought might have been a clue. Craig was wearing a skeleton key around his neck at the spa. The lockers had combinations and I'm sure the hotel doesn't use skeleton keys. When he "discovered" the Dry Cleaners it was right next door to a Locksmith where you can see large images of keys in the background as he's entering the store. It just struck me as kind of odd. He didn't sabotage the Dress Code mission, but maybe because sabotaging the Fruit of the Luge was enough for one episode.

However(!), Clay has always been my first pick for the Mole and he came through with two losses for the players in this last episode. He's been flying waaaayyyy under the radar which makes me really suspicious....
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 17, 2008, 02:05:24 PM
i really think that key around Craig's neck must be something. Unless he was wearing it in other episodes and we just never saw it. Same goes with Victoria's star tattoo. Anything that isn't there one episode, but there the next could very well be something to focus on.


Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jojonj on June 17, 2008, 02:43:59 PM
I was thinking the s66 was a bill also...which as we all know, Clay is the lawyer of the group so he would deal with laws and cases as such no? Any thoughts?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: washburn927 on June 17, 2008, 02:49:36 PM
The grapes and wine clues also tie in with the religious clues. Wine is taken at communion in Catholic churches. Also, Italians are known for being big wine drinkers (remember the Italia jacket). Did anyone see the Chilean flag that contained one star in the restaurant just before the execution?  I wonder if it is hinting at the lone star state (Texas). Remember, Victoria is from BISHOP, Texas. Again, another religious name. Bishops are found in Catholic churches, and Victoria is Catholic.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: washburn927 on June 17, 2008, 03:13:46 PM
One more thing: I also googled the 12/5/1970 date and found two things. 1) the date on which the Italian play "Accidental Death of an Anarchist" premiered in Italy. 2) the date of the end of Pope Paul VI's Asian and Australian tour. Both of those are Italian clues.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on June 17, 2008, 10:22:46 PM
A thought on the 666 clue:
in the bible, revalations 13:18 says 666 is the mark of the beast and that this "beast" or "anti-christ" will have a mark on its right hand and last night I noticed victorias star tatoo on her right hand. Also there have a many religious clues so far this season and I belive Victoria is the only one with faith now that Ali is gone( :tup:I am basing this on the fact that she crossed her self before last weeks quiz.) also she is from bishop texas. Just some thoughts.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 17, 2008, 10:51:47 PM
Hmmm...great ideas! Or the "Mark" ??

I def think the religious imagery is significant though...but I'm still wondering about the Pisco Sours too! :lol:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 17, 2008, 10:55:13 PM
I'll be really disappointed if Victoria is the mole because her lame acting is just so obvious - from her smirking during one of the executions, to her stand-off with Paul and subsequent apology, to all her little comments that come across as SO scripted. She needs to ditch L.A. 'cuz her acting is lousy. Sorry, but I just don't want to buy into her. I want to be thrown off my rocker... er... sofa, and not have such a transparent mole so early on in the game!   :lala
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: randallcornelius on June 18, 2008, 12:07:35 AM
wow, not even Kim Peek can memorize the amount of leads we posted on this site... :duno:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 18, 2008, 12:27:44 AM
Just had another thought! I know, I know, I'm obsessed with laundered clothes today. I promise it won't last. Each team was given one card with the hidden clue of the address to the lavaseco in Roman numerals. Watch the episode again and see who got the card and which one of them doesn't let go of that card for the entire time. Why give up the clue if you're the mole, right?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 18, 2008, 12:50:54 AM
i know Craig had the card the whole time and when the host explained about the clue, he nodded his head that he had figured it out.

There is a screen cap posted in the eppy 4 media thread that has me puzzled. It's of Mark and the host at the time of execution. Mark has on a yellow jacket and hat and seems to be giving the host a talking to (or at least strongly expressing himself). 
Subsequent screen caps show mark sitting there in a suit with the others awaiting the test results.

Could this cap be an indication that Mark is booted and he's gone up, put his jacket on and is having the little tete a tete with the host before they head off to the vehicle?

just a thought.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 18, 2008, 02:20:25 AM
the mole is Alex . in the intro, while they are showing everyones silhouettes, if you pause at the right time you can see the mole reading journals or maybe documenting everyones moves when it flashes. Its ALEX's silhouette you see when it flashes. Also I believe ive figured out the pisco sours clue. In Chile they make pisco sours, as it is their native drink, with a multitude of different pisco brandies. One of the types of GRAPES (clue) used to make the brandy is ALEXandria muscats.  :yess: Lol.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: multi007 on June 18, 2008, 08:35:09 AM
i know Craig had the card the whole time and when the host explained about the clue, he nodded his head that he had figured it out.

I saw that too - but would the mole have made such a emotion?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: multi007 on June 18, 2008, 08:37:15 AM
So far I think the mole could be Kristin, Clay or Mark.    Just my feeling - no evidence so far.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: elTopo on June 18, 2008, 09:31:25 AM
I'm new to RFF and i've enjoyed reading everyone theories. There are so many great ideas! There seems to be the most evidence pointing towards Craig or Victoria but in my opinion the mole is Mark.  Ever since his sobbing soliloquy I have believed it is him; what a "mole-ish" thing to do.

Anyway everybody seems to be really caught up with all of these Catholic hints.  I think we can submiss all of the Catholic references as the producers trying to give us a glimpse into the Chilean culture.  Usually the show tries to give a little background and information on the culture of the place where the film is shot.  We saw a little more of this when the execution took place in the train station and JK gave us a little background info.  (maybe the train station is a hint? ha, i doubt it!) Catholicism is a veerryy important aspect of many Latin American cultures therefore it would be normal to see a lot of Catholic themes.  In looking for the hints sometimes we are too paranoid, maybe this is a good thing though. In my opinion the Catholic references are just that and theres no need to analyze them.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 18, 2008, 10:01:58 AM
For those following the catholic clues... Is it odd that the address was in ROMAN numerals? As in the Roman Catholic? Maybe we are looking for someone who is very religious.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on June 18, 2008, 10:39:10 AM
If the religious symbols are in fact clues then they could also be pionting to Craig. He graduated from Point Loma Nazarene University a Christian university. (mission statement: http://www.pointless.edu/AboutPLNU/MissionandVision.htm) Just a thought, I really hope he is the mole and not Victoria I agree way to fake. But it does Look like alot of clues are pionting towards them, but I am still keeping and eye on Clay.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 18, 2008, 11:22:09 AM
Is there some way we can get all the clues in one post?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Slowhatch on June 18, 2008, 11:29:01 AM
Quote
Is it odd that the address was in ROMAN numerals? As in the Roman Catholic?
It isn't a legal requirement to use roman numerals in a copyright notice, but it's a common practice. Figuring out that ©72 makes no sense would have eventually lead someone to Lulu cleaners (a block away from Telar restaurant), but nobody took the bait.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 18, 2008, 11:41:36 AM
Is there some way we can get all the clues in one post?
If you want to, go right ahead molenewbie :hithere:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: washburn927 on June 18, 2008, 12:37:54 PM
That's a good point, elTopo. I'm caught up w/ the religious clues, but I'm thinking you may be right b/c there are so many of them. Regarding the background info at the train station, I'm thinking that might be a clue. Kelly seemed to go out of his way to make the reference to Gustav Eiffel. I looked it up, and Eiffel is responsible for giving the U.S. the statue of liberty in NY. Can anyone make anything of that?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 18, 2008, 12:51:02 PM
Also if you look at the first episode, when craig brings over the mole sign.. he isnt the only one carrying it. Alex is helping him. I just say that to say we can't put it all on craig.

*FEEDBACK Wanted*
Another point i would like to point out is that after nicole stayed up all night the first thing she askes for is a blowdryer....... why? especially if she didnt take a shower and had the same clothes on that she was wearing from the previous night.... but thats not what gives her away as the mole..... later in the episode.... alex finds a blowdryer on the beach.... which was a very specific thing for nicole to ask for. Now the question is however, Is it the person who actually asked for the blowdryer that is the mole or was the mole (Alex) trying to be funny in bringing back the blowdryer?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 18, 2008, 12:53:01 PM
that was all in the first episode.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jme01 on June 18, 2008, 03:31:34 PM
Didn't Craig find the cleaners?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 18, 2008, 03:53:48 PM
Today, California accounts for 99 percent of all U.S. commercially grown table grapes, and table grape vineyards cover more than 80,000 acres in the state. Grapes that account for the pisco sours.

And Is it a coincidence that they started in Los angeles, Chile?

The mole likes things that remind him or her of home.

The mole is from California.

Craig or Kristen. lol




I know i am all over the place but these are the thoughts in my head. :-[
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 18, 2008, 05:20:32 PM
Is there some way we can get all the clues in one post?

Is this what you meant molenewbie?


entertainment weekly clue:
I lie with my eyes

mobile text clues
EP1: NIC@IT 
EP2: Heart
EP3: grapes

abc clues:
EP1: E_E_E_
EP2: A B C B B    A C C B C A
EP3: s666 - LIAr
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Crash_hust on June 18, 2008, 06:18:44 PM
It seems to me that all of the mobile clues have come along the lines of WHO is being executed more so than who the mole is.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: olivesandhummus on June 18, 2008, 07:00:04 PM
I don't know if it's been mentioned here already, but I read somewhere another person's theory about the E_E_E_ clue. The missing letters, L V N, may correspond to Liz, Victoria, and Nicole - and on the ABC page for The Mole, these 3 form a triangle around Paul. His age also adds up to 11.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 18, 2008, 07:00:34 PM
There is a screen cap posted in the eppy 4 media thread that has me puzzled. It's of Mark and the host at the time of execution. Mark has on a yellow jacket and hat and seems to be giving the host a talking to (or at least strongly expressing himself). 
Subsequent screen caps show mark sitting there in a suit with the others awaiting the test results.

Could this cap be an indication that Mark is booted and he's gone up, put his jacket on and is having the little tete a tete with the host before they head off to the vehicle?

just a thought.

I'm not so sure that is Mark. The jacket and bb cap are not seen in any other screen caps that I can find.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 18, 2008, 08:03:12 PM
yeah i've been scouring for that jacket too and i can't find it. I think Alex has a yellow jacket or something underneath his coat in the caps of them at the top with the gold bullion, and nicole has a yellow kangaroo jacket, but otherwise, nothing. Now it's not nicole in that cap. It *could* be alex, but i would bet money that is Mark. Even the way he's gesturing with his hand is like Mark does.

Title: Re: Some Molesh Chops
Post by: SeldomSeen on June 18, 2008, 09:04:17 PM
OK folks are you ready for a Mole prediction? I think Kristen is the Mole. She really hasn't shown any Molelish behavior to this point but the way the other players are playing the game she really doesn't have to. The players seem to be more interested in taking verbal pot shots at each other instead of focusing there attention on the business at hand which adding money to the pot. Yes, Kristen can just kick back and watch as these mental midgets argue amongst themselves. Yes my friends KRISTEN IS THE MOLE!!  You heard it here first.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 18, 2008, 09:37:13 PM
If the clues about who is going home are accurate then the only clue that is amiss is the Nic@IT one. I believe that nicole was supposed to home home the first night. But found she way to circumvent the moles wishes *lol* by being whiny.... or just her natural self. now I'm sure that everyone noticed when Craig said that Nicole should have gone home. What does this mean tho? 
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: virushunter981 on June 18, 2008, 09:39:02 PM
Hi, everybody.  I'm new here, but I already have some suspicions of the Mole.  I think that the Mole is Paul.  If the second web clue (ABCBB ACCBCA) is the grades, then that leaves Clay and Paul as Mole candidates, since the Mole will get every answer right.  In the first episode, Jon says, "Eat, drink, be merry, and treat it like it's your last supper."  Now some people may single Mark out as the Mole.  But few know that St. Paul also wrote an account of the Last Supper in his letter to the Corinthians.  This also relates to the religious aspects of the show.  He lives in Yonkers, which is mainly populated by Italian-Americans.  That way, the Italia shirt would make sense.  The religion also fits here because Vatican City, the capital of Christianity, is in Italy. What makes him such a good Mole (in my opinion) is that he tries to act like a really good contestant.  The online clue (s666-LIAr) does two things.  1:  Singles out Ali as the next one leaving (grapes only rules out Bobby, who was executed).  2: Gives 666, the mark of the beast, another biblical symbol.  There are a few interpretations of this, some leading to Victoria, Alex, and Mark.  But the grades make me think Paul.  I'm not sure what to think of E_E_E_, but it may stand for eleven.  If we look on the bios page on the official site, we see the Paul is the 11th one listed.

Well, those are my suspicions.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 18, 2008, 11:18:32 PM
 :yess: THANX PUDDIN!!!!!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 18, 2008, 11:31:41 PM
And there is something I dont get about the Grades clue. If they are the grades of the individual player then why is it that the the C's aren't leaving together. like if they were grades then why is it that someone with a C grade is sent home arbitrarily? Are there degrees? And im sure the lowest score wouldnt just be a C. 
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: multi007 on June 19, 2008, 07:55:08 AM
And there is something I dont get about the Grades clue. If they are the grades of the individual player then why is it that the the C's aren't leaving together. like if they were grades then why is it that someone with a C grade is sent home arbitrarily? Are there degrees? And im sure the lowest score wouldnt just be a C. 

Its not only who scored the lowest but if there is a tie, the person who gets executed is the person who took the longest to finish the quiz.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on June 19, 2008, 10:17:24 AM
, since the Mole will get every answer right.  

Not necessarily.  The mole could answer every question wrong but it wouldn't matter since he is immune from liquidation.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: virushunter981 on June 19, 2008, 10:29:27 AM
And there is something I dont get about the Grades clue. If they are the grades of the individual player then why is it that the the C's aren't leaving together. like if they were grades then why is it that someone with a C grade is sent home arbitrarily? Are there degrees? And im sure the lowest score wouldnt just be a C. 

Plus, I'm not entirely sure that they are true grades.  I think that it's just a general amount of questions (i.e. 7-10 right: A, 4-6 right: B, 0-3 right: C).

And gingerman28, I never thought of it that way...  Hmm.  Something new to think about
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: washburn927 on June 19, 2008, 02:28:34 PM
Hi, everybody.  I'm new here, but I already have some suspicions of the Mole.  I think that the Mole is Paul.  If the second web clue (ABCBB ACCBCA) is the grades, then that leaves Clay and Paul as Mole candidates, since the Mole will get every answer right.  In the first episode, Jon says, "Eat, drink, be merry, and treat it like it's your last supper."  Now some people may single Mark out as the Mole.  But few know that St. Paul also wrote an account of the Last Supper in his letter to the Corinthians.  This also relates to the religious aspects of the show.  He lives in Yonkers, which is mainly populated by Italian-Americans.  That way, the Italia shirt would make sense.  The religion also fits here because Vatican City, the capital of Christianity, is in Italy. What makes him such a good Mole (in my opinion) is that he tries to act like a really good contestant.  The online clue (s666-LIAr) does two things.  1:  Singles out Ali as the next one leaving (grapes only rules out Bobby, who was executed).  2: Gives 666, the mark of the beast, another biblical symbol.  There are a few interpretations of this, some leading to Victoria, Alex, and Mark.  But the grades make me think Paul.  I'm not sure what to think of E_E_E_, but it may stand for eleven.  If we look on the bios page on the official site, we see the Paul is the 11th one listed.

Well, those are my suspicions.

I like your ideas. Those would also fit with the Gustav Eiffel clue. As I mentioned, Eiffel gave the statue of liberty to the U.S, which is currently in NY, the place where Paul is from.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on June 20, 2008, 06:00:33 AM
Quote
I think that the Mole is Paul.


I've discounted Paul as the mole for several reasons but the main one is this.

On the execution quiz for episode 2, question 7.  The question is:

7.  In "When Pigs Fly" what did the mole do after returning from Pomaire?
A.  Catch pigs.
B.  Hold one end of the slingshot handle.
C.  Load pigs and shoot slingshot.
D.  Nothing.


Answer A would refer to Paul and Liz since they both caught pigs, but the problem is that neither of them WENT TO Pomaire, so neither of them could RETURN from there.

A better option for A would have been "The mole did not go to Pomaire".


I realize this is just an oversight and a goof on the part of the production people, but if Paul were actually the mole they would have paid better attention to that question and had a more appropriate option.



Now something to think about for this week.  On the ABC site they have some behind the scenes clips each week.  This week one of them is of the production staff trying to get a confessional out of Alex.  He is pretty upset and keeps cussing the cameraman, flipping them off, saying the other players are acting like babies, saying he is ready to leave the show, get his cellphone and call someone that gives a $%#&, etc.

Not the exact wording but one of the advertising lines for this week says that the best liked player suddenly becomes the least liked.

We know that CBS plays up evberything that happens on survivor, it's always the most dramatic, most unbelievable, most shocking, best player, etc etc.  So I have no trouble whatsoever seeing ABC doing the same thing with "best liked player" and mean Alex even though I don't think that he would actually fit that description.  Some of the others do seem to like him since they have shown a clip on the show, and another behind the scenes clip of Alex singing for some of the women and for Paul, so they could refer to him as the best liked.

Since Alex is already highly upset about something and talking about heading home it is very easy for me to see him blow up this week over some incident, piss off the other players, and then tank the test so he can go home. 

(no spoilers in this thread please thanks, puddin)


Sorry this had to be edited puddin.  I didn't realize I had included something from a spoiler.  Now if I can just remember what I wrote that was changed. 

 :funny:





Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 20, 2008, 08:10:58 AM

Quote
I think that the Mole is Paul.


I've discounted Paul as the mole for several reasons but the main one is this.

On the execution quiz for episode 2, question 7.  The question is:

7.  In "When Pigs Fly" what did the mole do after returning from Pomaire?
A.  Catch pigs.
B.  Hold one end of the slingshot handle.
C.  Load pigs and shoot slingshot.
D.  Nothing.


Answer A would refer to Paul and Liz since they both caught pigs, but the problem is that neither of them WENT TO Pomaire, so neither of them could RETURN from there.

A better option for A would have been "The mole did not go to Pomaire".






Or it could be D. You know as like a trick question.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 20, 2008, 03:10:11 PM
Quote
Not the exact wording but one of the advertising lines for this week says that the best liked player suddenly becomes the least liked.

Couldn't that be referring to the previews where it shows Mark having a fit and saying "they're sadistic" then taking off? He seems incredibly upset over something and i would think Mark would be more of a best liked player than arrogant Alex.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Belle Book on June 20, 2008, 06:12:12 PM
I've gotten an overload of possible clues, so I'm not commenting on what clues I think point to the Mole.  However, I will reveal my top suspects:  Craig and Victoria, with Clay and Nicole as outside shots.  There are a number of clues that possibly point to either Craig or Victoria.  There are also clues that may point to Paul, but he seems more like someone trying to look like the Mole than as the real Mole in my eyes.

Also, the four I mentioned as being either my top suspects or as outside shots really did some good sabotage this round.  Craig and Victoria got themselves disqualified as did Clay (of course, so did Bobby but he's out); while Nicole really screwed up her & Alex's chances of winning in Fruit of the Luge.  Of course, I won't know who the Mole is until the end of the game, but those are my top 4 suspects for the Mole.

Belle Book
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on June 20, 2008, 06:21:11 PM

Couldn't that be referring to the previews where it shows Mark having a fit and saying "they're sadistic" then taking off?


Sure.  There are a few of them that it could apply to.  My point was that just because ABC says best liked player, that doesn't mean they actually are.  It's just hype.  Myself, I would think Craig would be better liked than the rest of them but I can't see it referring to him.  But like I said it could apply to a few of them using network hype propoganda.



Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 20, 2008, 10:03:51 PM
EP4 Clue

EFG PQR ZOO
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: SailorsWife317 on June 21, 2008, 09:13:18 AM
Hi all found this site and thought I'd share my thoughts with y'all.

I have narrowed The Mole down to these options:  Victoria, Alex, Clay.  I thought about Paul but as somebody said about the quiz question of Pomaire, That pretty much takes Paul off of the list.

My top person right now is Victoria.  The EW clue said "I lie with my eyes"  If you use the wording differently it could be referring to the letter I's in her name.

Also on ABC.com you can view the Mole's journal.  In it were these clues:

"Those kids really ran us all over the field. Too bad none of them got red carded."- this eliminates Mark and Kristen as they weren't playing soccer

"Being blindfolded while flying 40mph down a luge... now that's something new for me."-  This eliminates Bobby, Craig, Nicole because none of them were blindfolded. 

"Now which little piggy went to the market."- Ruling out Paul since he didn't go to the market.

"Now how do you say "No shoes, no shirt, no service" in spanish, not sure I learned that one in school."-  not sure about that but I do remember Victoria trying to speak spanish

"If only the chilean blankets were a little bigger"- I got nothing with that one

"Those darn grapes just stain everything, and their not even my favorite fruit"- I don't know the importance of this one either.

These were also based on the fact that Ali, Bobby, Liz, and Marcie are gone already. 
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 21, 2008, 02:40:31 PM
Your talking about the Mole scrapbook (http://www.scrapblog.com/viewer/viewer.aspx?sbId=248005) SailorsWife317? Welcome to the forum  :waves:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on June 21, 2008, 06:00:12 PM
Do you think that this mole's scrapbook/journal is meant to contain clues for us because if so it certainly eliminates several players(as sailorswife was saying)?
for example:
1)"Those kids really ran us all over the field..." Eliminates: Mark, Kristen
"Being blindfolded while flying 40 mph..." Eliminates: Nicole, Mark, and Craig. (Bobby and Ali were also blindfolded.
This Leaves Victoria, Clay, Paul, and Alex (who is supposedly going home this week). I really don’t like this... but Clay was in my top three anyways as well as Victoria. It seems like to much information for then to give us straight out!
hmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: SailorsWife317 on June 21, 2008, 06:21:02 PM
Yup I am talking about the scrapbook.  And I do believe that it is there to help us figure it out. 
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 21, 2008, 06:33:24 PM
Maybe there are clues or its to mess with you all  :lol:?

sam300 also did the Samantha Who (http://www.scrapblog.com/viewer/viewer.aspx?sbId=203871) scrapblog ..so much alike don't you think?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: CT on June 21, 2008, 07:29:43 PM


"Being blindfolded while flying 40mph down a luge... now that's something new for me."-  This eliminates Bobby, Craig, Nicole because none of them were blindfolded. 



I don't think so. I think what the mole means is he/she was NOT blindfolded, and it would be a new thing for them, know what I mean...
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: V.L. on June 21, 2008, 08:35:09 PM
Woah, I'm new here. I've lurked here for quite some time, reading posts, etc, but now that the Mole is here and there is clue analysis I needed to make an account and start posting.

First, I think Victoria is the Mole and have since episode one, when I noticed a bunch of things regarding the number eight, and with Victoria's name being the only one with eight letters, I sort of assumed it was her. Now I see how many more things there are, and I think I've found a few that not a lot of other people have picked up on.

-There has been much discussion on all of the clues that seem to point to religion/Christianity, and Victoria is from Bishop, Texas, according to her bio and the opening sequence - but not really. She is currently living in Burbank, CA, according to this article (http://www.caller.com/news/2008/jun/03/local-makes-prime-time-debut-on-mole/). This strikes me as odd only because of the Biblical referances, and really, why would ABC say Victoria was from Bishop, even though she was born there, if she was actually living somewhere else?
-Does anyone else remember back in Celebrity Mole: Hawaii when the inflatable dolphin showed up, colored in the colors of the Netherlands, where Frederique (the Mole) was from? Well, Victoria is Hispanic (Her last name being Garza), and the colors of the Mexican flag were on that pig-catching blanket in the "When Pigs Fly" mission. This blanket is also shown on the Mole scrapbook, meaning it probably has some kind of importance.

Um... and nothing else. Sorry if this stuff was said on past pages and I didn't pick up on it.

Anyway... those are my thoughts.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Vernaldo on June 21, 2008, 09:03:35 PM
New here. Ive found several clues.

 at 27 minutes and 19 seconds into ep. 3,  there is an arrow with the letter MOEL pointed straight at Nicole
--------> MOEL

kinda like that.

When the host steals the host, at 16 mins and 9 sec, the calculator has mole written on it under the number 78. idk the significance

just what i found.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: eazeymac91 on June 21, 2008, 11:45:48 PM
Just my quick two cents on the scrapbook the grapes clue could mean the person that got the grape treatment or whatever at the spa if their was one and if i remember their was one.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: V.L. on June 22, 2008, 12:43:41 AM
I'm pretty sure it was Bobby who got the grape massage, and seeing as he was executed...
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 22, 2008, 01:08:33 AM
EP4 Clue

EFG PQR ZOO



Its an Eye exam
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 22, 2008, 01:19:39 AM
EP4 Clue

EFG PQR ZOO

Its an Eye exam

Now you have me looking for eye charts! lol
And yes it was Bobby who had the grape massage.
And heres the photo  Vernaldo is referring to, swiped from the abc board.......
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on June 22, 2008, 02:18:42 AM

Seen that but dismissed it since it says MDEL.  This one however........


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/molesticker.jpg)


does say mole and has the year Craig was born right above it.


Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 22, 2008, 12:05:47 PM
Maybe there are clues or its to mess with you all  :lol:?

sam300 also did the Samantha Who (http://www.scrapblog.com/viewer/viewer.aspx?sbId=203871) scrapblog ..so much alike don't you think?


I didn't know this existed! Great... another mind "messer."  :pull Does this have any REAL clues in it? I thought maybe the boarding pass was a clue until I saw the same one used for the Samantha Who scrapbook. The boarding pass is in Houston and if you map Bishop to Houston, the route goes right through a town named Victoria. But... seeing that the same or almost same pass was used before, it's prolly just a coincidence. The only thing I could read on the passport was Gatwick (London). If it is the Mole's scrapbook, wouldn't anyone referred to be counted out? Kristen is the only one still in the game that is mentioned. Oh, and isn't Victoria fluent in Spanish? She would know how to say "No shirt... etc."

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if it is just to mess with us!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 22, 2008, 12:08:14 PM

Seen that but dismissed it since it says MDEL.  This one however........

does say mole and has the year Craig was born right above it.


Actually, it says "malo." The combination lock is bad.


Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on June 22, 2008, 02:48:44 PM
If the ep. 4 clue is in fact an eye chart that could be relating to the "I lie with my eyes" clue...maybe? possibly Craig?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 22, 2008, 03:14:36 PM
More thoughts on Craig, and Mark actually. Craig's last name is SLIKE. Mark's journal that they let us peek at in EP1 while they were in the cabin has Craig jotted down as SLYKE two times. I think it's odd that he would refer to only one player by his last name. Yeah, it's typical for guys to call other guys by their last names, but usually once they're on friendly terms and he jotted down all the other guys using their first names. They supposedly "just met" that night so I find it particularly strange even if it was just a misspelling on Mark's part. What do you think this could infer if anything? The "I lie with my eyes" could point the finger at Mark. His tearful display for one. Maybe something to do with this name thing too.

Back to Craig. Someone said the Mole's color is red. Is this true? I don't know being that this is the first time I've watched the show. Craig is always wearing red, from his tennies, to his tie, to the upcoming episode and the ski beanie. Wouldn't that be a little too obvious if the other players know this tidbit?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on June 22, 2008, 06:44:25 PM
More thoughts on Craig, and Mark actually. Craig's last name is SLIKE. Mark's journal that they let us peek at in EP1 while they were in the cabin has Craig jotted down as SLYKE two times. I think it's odd that he would refer to only one player by his last name. Yeah, it's typical for guys to call other guys by their last names, but usually once they're on friendly terms and he jotted down all the other guys using their first names. They supposedly "just met" that night so I find it particularly strange even if it was just a misspelling on Mark's part. What do you think this could infer if anything? The "I lie with my eyes" could point the finger at Mark. His tearful display for one. Maybe something to do with this name thing too.

Back to Craig. Someone said the Mole's color is red. Is this true? I don't know being that this is the first time I've watched the show. Craig is always wearing red, from his tennies, to his tie, to the upcoming episode and the ski beanie. Wouldn't that be a little too obvious if the other players know this tidbit?

I remember watching a behind the scenes videos on the ABC web site and it showed Craig wearing a shirt with his last name on the front in huge letters, and i believe it was one of the first days their, so it is possable that mark saw him in this shirt and it stuck in his head...idk just a thought.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 22, 2008, 07:14:07 PM
I remember watching a behind the scenes videos on the ABC web site and it showed Craig wearing a shirt with his last name on the front in huge letters, and i believe it was one of the first days their, so it is possable that mark saw him in this shirt and it stuck in his head...idk just a thought.

He was wearing the t-shirt just before the soccer match and uphill challenge, but he's prolly worn it more than once so you're prolly right!! I'm usually a better sleuth than this and it's driving me bonkers.  :groan:

BTW, has anyone else been checking out the extras/deleted scenes on ABC's web site? Some extra food for thought there and some funny moments. I also went thru the Bio videos and Paul was the only one who didn't start with "I am the Mole" and close with "I am not the Mole." His were "I don't think I'm the Mole" and closed with "I am the Mole." I'm sure someone else already picked up on this, but hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 23, 2008, 10:55:34 AM
Heres the quiz


Question 1: Is the Mole?

Male
Female

Question 2: In the "Midas Rush" mission, what color pants was The Mole wearing?

Blue
Black


Question 3: In "Midas Rush," did The Mole's team decide who received an exemption?

Yes
No


Question 4: How many gold bars did The Mole's team carry to the finish in "Midas Rush"?

23
24


Question 5: At the end of "Midas Rush," from Jon's perspective, where was The Mole standing (from l to r)? First
Second
Third
Fourth
Fifth
Sixth
Seventh
Eighth

Question 6: To date, has The Mole received an exemption?

Yes
No

Question 7: During the "Who Said That" mission, was The Mole's answer disqualified?

Yes
No


Question 8: Was The Mole's journal burnt?

Yes
No


Question 9: During "Who Said That," did The Mole confess to writing a comment about another player?

Yes
No


Question 10: Who is the Mole?

Alex
Clay
Craig
Kristen
Mark
Nicole
Paul
Victoria
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 23, 2008, 12:08:46 PM
Text Clue:
cf (11) 8
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Crash_hust on June 23, 2008, 04:10:45 PM
the text clue has always shown who is going home... i'm pretty sure of that.

Paul is still numero uno on my list. Ever since he teamed up with Alex ... even though he doesnt really like him. The mission where they had to get clothes. I think finding the laundromat was a complete fluke. Paul has made EVERYONE else seem suspicious. Who else would have known that the piggy held an exemption? He is so outspoken that everyone just assumes its the "new york" in him.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 23, 2008, 05:49:17 PM
Do you think that this mole's scrapbook/journal is meant to contain clues for us because if so it certainly eliminates several players(as sailorswife was saying)?
for example:
1)"Those kids really ran us all over the field..." Eliminates: Mark, Kristen
"Being blindfolded while flying 40 mph..." Eliminates: Nicole, Mark, and Craig. (Bobby and Ali were also blindfolded.
This Leaves Victoria, Clay, Paul, and Alex (who is supposedly going home this week). I really don’t like this... but Clay was in my top three anyways as well as Victoria. It seems like to much information for then to give us straight out!
hmmmmmmmmmm


Hmmmm...did ABC goof?

The being blindfolded while going on the luge clue now reads like this:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/Molescraapbookclueluge.jpg)

compared to this when first posted:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/Molescrapbookclueoriginalluge.jpg)

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Belle Book on June 23, 2008, 06:01:05 PM
Do you think that this mole's scrapbook/journal is meant to contain clues for us because if so it certainly eliminates several players(as sailorswife was saying)?
for example:
1)"Those kids really ran us all over the field..." Eliminates: Mark, Kristen
"Being blindfolded while flying 40 mph..." Eliminates: Nicole, Mark, and Craig. (Bobby and Ali were also blindfolded.
This Leaves Victoria, Clay, Paul, and Alex (who is supposedly going home this week). I really don’t like this... but Clay was in my top three anyways as well as Victoria. It seems like to much information for then to give us straight out!
hmmmmmmmmmm


Hmmmm...did ABC goof?

The being blindfolded while going on the luge clue now reads like this:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/Molescraapbookclueluge.jpg)

compared to this when first posted:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/Molescrapbookclueoriginalluge.jpg)



I think the producers realized they made it a little too easy for us to figure out who the Mole was, so they changed the scrapbook post.

Belle Book
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on June 23, 2008, 07:26:06 PM
Wow :ascared
nice catch peach either they realized they were giving away to much information or they realized it was incorrect ...like the mole wasn't blind folded...idk I just really want the mole to be Craig so i hope they were wrong (he wasn't blindfolded!) we shall see i guess.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 23, 2008, 09:52:58 PM
I bet you those numbers from the last clue are the numbers of the saved journals. Alex's was saved and craigs was saved. If alex is going home then he had the number 8 journal. And If craig is the mole then he has the 11 journal.!!!!!!! I hope im not going off the deep end with these clues.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 23, 2008, 09:57:23 PM
lol nope
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 23, 2008, 09:58:25 PM
Victoria NO!!!!!!! She was in my top three.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: RadioRocket on June 23, 2008, 10:05:25 PM
I still think Craig is the Mole. Near the end of tonight's episode (Episode 4) I started thinking it was Victoria. She seemed really fake in tonight's episode and she didn't make much eye contact when she said she wasn't the Mole.

The picture says "i've never been blindfolded" if Craig was the Mole, then it wouldn't add up. Because he wasn't blindfolded. They might have changed it because they had made a mistake or they could just be throwing us off. GOD DAMN IT!  :duno: :duno:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on June 23, 2008, 10:08:46 PM
Has there been anyone to this point that hasnt seen test results?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Crash_hust on June 23, 2008, 10:17:55 PM
I get the text clue now.... bf = Bon Fire  (11) = Craig's journal. the parentheses are because he wasn't there. The 8 was Alex's.

So i am for SURE now that the text clues are for who is going home.... they don't help with who the mole is.

Paul is the Mole. He has put himself in situations to where he either gets an exemption.... or looses money. He was holding the blanket in piggies.... he was blindfolded (didnt they loose his money by talking after they were done?). The first episode really doesnt count much... it was hit or miss on money and on whether or not they would get a bag... so he didnt have to do anything. He teamed with Alex to get food. I think he figured no one else would be able too because of the language barrier. Bad luck on the laundromat. He tried to keep his journal, again bad luck with the game HE suggested.


Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 23, 2008, 10:20:31 PM
I thought the text clue was c f (11) 8. No?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 23, 2008, 10:25:00 PM

Hmmmm...did ABC goof?

The being blindfolded while going on the luge clue now reads like this:


Sweet!, Georgia Peach! (pun intended) Nice catch!  :jumpy:  Interesting stuff!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 23, 2008, 10:25:24 PM
thats what i thought...
I bet you those numbers from the last clue are the numbers of the saved journals. Alex's was saved and craigs was saved. If alex is going home then he had the number 8 journal. And If craig is the mole then he has the 11 journal.!!!!!!! I hope im not going off the deep end with these clues.



But then I thought the text clues were of people being sent home....


And yes
I thought the text clue was c f (11) 8. No?

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Crash_hust on June 23, 2008, 10:32:48 PM
crap... i wrote the wrong letter... well that throws that off :(

what number was victoria? was she 3?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 23, 2008, 10:35:08 PM
crap... i wrote the wrong letter... well that throws that off :(

what number was victoria? was she 3?

Maybe Camp Fire then? I think it's one word "campfire," but we're talking ABC here....  :funny:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Crash_hust on June 23, 2008, 10:39:44 PM
well i'm trying to make sense of it. So far all of the text clues have had to do with someone going home. i missed the first one but the heart and grapes sent BOTH of those players home. Liz was wearing hearts and Bobby had the grape thingy.

cf (11) 8. 

if its campfire .... then its who gets "saved" from the fire. kinda odd....
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 23, 2008, 10:49:01 PM
well i'm trying to make sense of it. So far all of the text clues have had to do with someone going home. i missed the first one but the heart and grapes sent BOTH of those players home. Liz was wearing hearts and Bobby had the grape thingy.

cf (11) 8. 

if its campfire .... then its who gets "saved" from the fire. kinda odd....

I'm willing to bet the clues aren't consistent or tied to a particular result. There had to have been a team of writers who did nothing all day long except to come up with these clues, for days or weeks, just to make our wheels spin. So far, they done good!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 23, 2008, 11:17:48 PM
I haven't seen anyone comment on Jon Kelley's blog yet so I thought to bring it up. It's here: http://blogs.abc.com/molehost/

He has some insight and if it's not scripted then I think it could be a good source for clues.

On a lighter note, this came from his last:

"One of my favorite conspiracy theories thus far -- while it had little to do w/ the game, was clever, unique and very imaginative.   Here on the ABC message board, somebody went deep, passing along the following nugget.  Went something like this:  "I think on the final episode, Jon Kelley will reach up and rip off his face -- ala Mission Impossible III, revealing all along, he was actually Anderson Cooper!"

If ONLY!!!!  :snicker:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Texan on June 24, 2008, 10:40:28 AM
Well if Victoria is journal 3... then 11 - 8 is 3.  maybe they thought the clues were too easy and they threw a curve ball.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on June 24, 2008, 01:55:27 PM
Text Clue:
cf (11) 8

cf could refer to the following:cf.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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For other uses, see Cf.
Look up cf. in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.cf. is an abbreviation for the Latin-derived (but also modern English) word confer, meaning "compare" or "consult". It is mainly used in common and statute law contexts as well as in academic writing[1].

Thus cf. is often used by authors in the text of their article or book to refer to other academic material which may provide auxiliary information or arguments to the understanding of theirs.

It is sometimes used (primarily in dictionaries) to imply insight into the preceding word's etymology — that is, to suggest how one term obtained its particular naming convention (perhaps from another phrase). For example, the phrase "Big Whack (cf. Big Bang)" suggests to the reader that the usage of the moniker (self-given nickname) "Big Whack" derives at least its name from the latter.

In the system of binomial nomenclature, the use of cf. is similarly used to indicate that the species needs to be seen in context of its comparison to another, but by definition is not confirmed as the same. For example Corvus cf. splendens indicates "a bird similar to the House Crow but not certainly identified as this species". For this reason many mistakenly believe that cf. is an abbreviated form of "confirmed" or "inconfirmatus" or the like.

So we might be comparing 11 to 8 or some such nonsense.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: deegee617 on June 24, 2008, 02:57:15 PM
cf(11)8 = See if 11 ate.

Craig didn't eat... and he is linked to "11"
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Crash_hust on June 24, 2008, 09:06:18 PM
Craig ate... at the end. he was there...

i really think victoria was number 3.... thats the only explanation.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on June 25, 2008, 02:47:15 AM
Craig however wasnt at the dinner before the burning of the journals.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 25, 2008, 10:22:33 AM
He ate regardless
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: ruff7777777 on June 25, 2008, 11:23:42 AM
craig's real birthdate is nov 20 1977...not 1978....i saw this on his facebook page when he responded to my message asking him if he was the mole.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on June 25, 2008, 04:16:12 PM
craig's real birthdate is nov 20 1977...not 1978....i saw this on his facebook page when he responded to my message asking him if he was the mole.



November is the 11th month...just a thought...and 8x11=88 Craig would have turned 11 in 1988...idk just some ideas to bounce around.
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Spoilers*
Post by: gte747e on June 26, 2008, 12:59:20 AM
In the second picture posted by someone earlier ("I Lie with my Eyes"), look closely at the contestants eyes.
All are facing forward except one - Alex.
This one screams out at me!!!!


FROM TWOP

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/463/ewmole1au4.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9881/ewmole2go7.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9523/ewmole3ym1.jpg
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: stacy on June 26, 2008, 01:10:10 AM

mobile text clues
EP1: NIC@IT 


NICATIT is an anagram for 'Anti Tic'  Kristen is a neuro scientist working on a cure for Parkinsons disease. People w/ this disease often experience tics and spasms..therefore she is working against tics (anti tic)!!??
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Blondie on June 26, 2008, 06:19:59 AM
 :waves:  Welcome Stacy,

Wow you guys are really good. So many idea's and analogies. I have no idea now who the mole is.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 26, 2008, 06:00:37 PM
I haven't actually figured anything out, but here comes the number 11 again.

If we invert the clue card to read like this:

Z O O
P Q R
E F G

and substitute the letters for their corresponding numbers in the alphabet, we get:

26 15 15
16 17 18
  5  6   7

Now subtract the bottom row from the middle row:

26 15 15
11 11 11

This is where I stopped unless ZOO should be left alone, then we have:

 Z   O   O
11 11 11

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, not that I can recall, but Craig and Kristen both come San Diego and Santa Monica respectively which are equally religious names. Perhaps a little diving into these two saints or cities might produce something. San Diego does have a world famous zoo as well.  ;)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 26, 2008, 06:07:35 PM
p.s. or you could get really twisted and add 15 + 15 + 26 = 56, then 5 + 6 = 11   :groan:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on June 26, 2008, 06:11:37 PM
Hey guys.  This is my first post.  I've been watching this thread since the season started though.  I was examining The Mole's diary on the ABC website and I think it's given away enough information already to tell me exactly who The Mole is.  Feel free to correct me if you think I'm off.  I'd love some input.

Okay, so first here's who is left:

Alex
Clay
Craig
Kristen
Mark
Nicole
Paul

"Being blindfolded while flying 40MPH on a luge... That's something new for me."

Well, I guess this one depends on how we interpret the clue being changed.  Was it changed because it was misleading or because it gave too much away?  I assume it's because it gave too much away since another page has a grape stain on it.  Only the blindfolded people had to touch the fruit.  Craig, Mark and Nicole weren't blindfolded so I've eliminated them.

Alex
Clay
Kristen
Paul

Another page refers to Kristen in the third person.  So unless The Mole is Kristen and she talks like The Rock then she's eliminated as well.

Alex
Clay
Paul

The diary also talks about playing the soccer game.  That reinforces the elimination of a few suspects including Kristen again.  Also, another page asks how to say something in Spanish.  Why would Alex ask that question?  We've seen that he's fluent in Spanish.  So who does that leave?

Clay
Paul

So that's it.  From my perspective it's a 50/50 guess.  I don't know about anyone else but if Paul was The Mole he would have to have the biggest set of balls in the world to be so vocal and in everyone's face all of the time.  That leaves me with one option only.

The Mole is CLAY!

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Crash_hust on June 26, 2008, 06:24:33 PM
actually i think its paul because he is in everyone's face. He obviously is liked by mark and clay. THey tend to not really say much when he goes nutso.

The women are always just like pfffft whatever and just assume he's a New York butt hole.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on June 26, 2008, 07:44:34 PM
I haven't actually figured anything out, but here comes the number 11 again.

If we invert the clue card to read like this:

Z O O
P Q R
E F G

and substitute the letters for their corresponding numbers in the alphabet, we get:

26 15 15
16 17 18
  5  6   7

Now subtract the bottom row from the middle row:

26 15 15
11 11 11

This is where I stopped unless ZOO should be left alone, then we have:

 Z   O   O
11 11 11

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, not that I can recall, but Craig and Kristen both come San Diego and Santa Monica respectively which are equally religious names. Perhaps a little diving into these two saints or cities might produce something. San Diego does have a world famous zoo as well.  ;)



Ok so I think you are defiantly on the right track...i did the same thing exchanging letters for #s and the one thing that jumped out at me is that the numbers in the top and middle rows are 11 #s apart(ABCD[E]{F}(G)HIJKLMNO[P]{Q}(R)S)...and seeing as 11 seems to be the seasons number I thought it was important…..so.   I fallowed the pattern and went back 11 numbers from the Z and got O and 11 letters back from O is D...ODD...so I think the clue is odd...odd what idk. so I think it make since but  I could be way off.
Craig and Kristen have an odd # of letters in their names......seems a little obvious.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 26, 2008, 08:01:34 PM
The diary also talks about playing the soccer game.  That reinforces the elimination of a few suspects including Kristen again.  Also, another page asks how to say something in Spanish.  Why would Paul ask that question?  We've seen that he's fluent in Spanish.  So who does that leave?

Great analysis Nightstalker! Only I thought it was Alex who knew Spanish? Or is that who you meant?

I had also eliminated Kristen if the journal is on the up and up, but missed the soccer reference so that would eliminate Mark too huh? Wow. I thought for sure he sabotaged the "When Pigs Fly" challenge, both when they got lost and then when he was rushing them to no end to shoot the pigs. If they had slowed down a bit they wouldn't have broken as many perhaps. Same with the scavenger items. He picked up that camera and said something like, "just put anything on the table for now." Just some thoughts! I'm still at a loss, but Clay, Craig and Mark are the three in my sights (for now).
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 26, 2008, 08:03:30 PM
actually i think its paul because he is in everyone's face. He obviously is liked by mark and clay. THey tend to not really say much when he goes nutso.

The women are always just like pfffft whatever and just assume he's a New York butt hole.

Watch the ABC preview for the EP5!!!! It's now online and Clay and Paul have it out BIG TIME!!! If Clay liked him before, he sure as heck doesn't now!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 26, 2008, 09:36:39 PM

So that's it.  From my perspective it's a 50/50 guess.  I don't know about anyone else but if Paul was The Mole he would have to have the biggest set of balls in the world to be so vocal and in everyone's face all of the time.  That leaves me with one option only.

The Mole is CLAY!

Thoughts?

I hate to post so much, but I'll say it. [standing] My name is Molecule and I'm a Mole addict. Now that that's outta the way....  :funny:

I just went back to the journal and lo and behold, I think I just put Paul at the top of my list! Here's why:


Where else in the U.S. does one frequently take a taxi that's expensive (besides San Francisco)? NEW YORK!


This could infer that the Mole stayed behind to catch pigs....


Again, Nightstalker's deduction that the Mole was on the goal oriented team.


Sounds like a sarcastic remark only Paul would make doesn't it? The blanket comment suggests it came from someone who actually used the blanket. And all of Liz's problems made it easy for him to go unnoticed since everyone would blame her for the missed/broken pigs.


Still up for debate until we know for sure, but I think the obvious is the obvious and that's why it was edited (bad job ABC!). He still lost a little money by getting the last two fruits out of sequence so one could say it was a small sabotage.


Paul was the only one who slammed Bobby for this.

Many don't want to believe Paul is the Mole because it doesn't fit the mold of previous seasons, but perhaps thay decided to change things up a bit and go with someone completely over the top. If so, I believe the journal points to him if anyone. Of course, if the journal isn't purposefully misleading!

Now to add a little more if I may?  blahblah  The TITANIC clue everyone picked up on could be correct, but perhaps if points to Paul being that the ship's destination was New York before it met its demise.

Next, the number 11. Maybe it could just be reduced to the number 1? An ODD number as Pearlgirl suggested? New York/Yonkers postal codes begin with 1 of course. On the preview for EP5, Paul has a new journal and its number is 1 (or maybe their original journals were never burned? We'll find out I guess!). I have another theory about 11, but I think they'd be really sad to use it so I'll refrain.

Next, the apple reference that was used in a previous season. Jon bit into an apple that Bobby was convinced referred to The Big Apple. Well, wouldn't it be dumb to presume that they would use this clue AGAIN? Maybe. Or maybe not! Maybe they figured we'd all dismiss it for obvious reasons.

Finally, Pisco Sours, made from lime or LEMON juice. Paul's little mascot, Lemonhead? Enuf said.

I'd hate for the Mole to be Paul only 'cuz I can't stand the guy, but maybe that's how they expect everyone to react.

 :waves:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: PirateDavid on June 26, 2008, 09:44:21 PM
I'm going to agree that Clay is the Mole.   Of all the contestants who have thrown and screwed up challenges, he's been able to do it without getting any attention from the other contestants.   He's done things like sat out the underwear challenge, talked when he wasn't supposed to talk during the luge challenge, and tried to sabotage (unsuccessfully) the hike up the mountain challenge by insisting that he get the exemption.   Right now, I'm 99% sure that Clay is the mole.   
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 26, 2008, 10:16:29 PM
EP5 :
234
715
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 26, 2008, 10:24:03 PM
actually i think its paul because he is in everyone's face. He obviously is liked by mark and clay. THey tend to not really say much when he goes nutso.

The women are always just like pfffft whatever and just assume he's a New York butt hole.

Watch the ABC preview for the EP5!!!! It's now online and Clay and Paul have it out BIG TIME!!! If Clay liked him before, he sure as heck doesn't now!

No pizza commercials :D (when ready, still processing)

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 27, 2008, 12:52:27 AM
EP5 :
234
715

The sequence of numbers is out of order. the 1 replaces the 6 in the order. If these clues correspond with who the mole is then The 1 could represent the new journal that paul got and could perhaps be telling who the next victim is..... further proving molecules point.
 :duno:

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 27, 2008, 12:55:42 AM
the next victim being the person with the #6 journal.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on June 27, 2008, 01:25:27 PM
are we sure the journal #1 is infact Pauls? It was just sitting on a seat it could have been one of the other players in the van. Just a thought but the way the camera focused in on it several times makes me think it does have some importance.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on June 27, 2008, 01:43:56 PM
ok so just checked on this journal for the mole and the newest thing written is:
Thought id write in my
journal this week and tip my
hand that I’m Craig or Alex?
Im not that stupid.
Don't miss me too much.
Am I just having a total blonde moment or does this not make since?
hhhhmmmmmm................
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Texan on June 27, 2008, 02:26:35 PM
Okay yal are really good at all these clues.  When they asked about the journals... Paul was the first to say I do not really need mine.  This could be a flag that he is the mole that is why he does not need it . . . . or smart on his part knowing Nicole would not like him give up his journal as she does not like him and would worry he got something.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on June 27, 2008, 03:46:01 PM
ok so just checked on this journal for the mole and the newest thing written is:
Thought id write in my
journal this week and tip my
hand that I’m Craig or Alex?
Im not that stupid.
Don't miss me too much.
Am I just having a total blonde moment or does this not make since?
hhhhmmmmmm................

I'm not too sure on what this means either.  I guess it either means we're supposed to rule Craig and Alex out or that it's a double bluff and it is Craig or Alex.  Obviously, everyone here knows that I ruled out Craig and Alex thanks to earlier journal entries.  I think they just didn't want to give us much of anything to go on this week because they revealed too much in the first three weeks.  Like I said before, if everything in the journal can be taken for what it implies then it's already down to Paul or Clay (Clay being my pick.)  If they have us anything new that was concrete then we'd already know exactly who The Mole is while there's still 7 players in the game.  Smart move on their part to give us little to nothing to go on this week.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 27, 2008, 04:55:29 PM
are we sure the journal #1 is infact Pauls? It was just sitting on a seat it could have been one of the other players in the van. Just a thought but the way the camera focused in on it several times makes me think it does have some importance.

You can see that Craig, Clay and Mark are all holding their journals. Mark was prolly dictating that entire exchange!  :lol:

Thanks Puddin for the video (without pizza!) and the clue card!!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: citric on June 27, 2008, 05:46:16 PM
i think craig is the mole, and we'll find out his journal is number 11, it was the first one shown by the host, and it magically didnt get burned, i think he faked the whole thing to guarentee that that journal would stay alive in the game and will be released at the end of the show as a major clue
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 27, 2008, 06:05:59 PM
Has anyone else noticed that the apostrophe in the Mole's journal blog is actually a quotation mark? And that it looks a bit like the number 11?

I downloaded the same font called Handwriting or PP Handwriting to see if it defaulted to a quoatation mark and it doesn't even come with apostrophes or quotation marks. Unless I'm Word deficient. Which is possible. Don't laugh....

Any font power users out there?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 27, 2008, 07:14:42 PM
The apostrophe is on the same key as the quote mark for me and I "capitalize" my apostrophes by mistake all the time...but then I can't type either  so?  :lol:

:welcome3: to all you new posters, and thanks to all of you for the great ideas!  :hearts:  Smartest group in town!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: twinkletoes on June 27, 2008, 07:28:11 PM
just thinking that if you still use the numerical value then:

2 3 4
7 1 5

23-15 = 8
7 - 4 = 3

8 + 3 = 11

CRAIG!!!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 27, 2008, 07:53:50 PM
The apostrophe is on the same key as the quote mark for me and I "capitalize" my apostrophes by mistake all the time...but then I can't type either  so?  :lol:

lol Peach... What are you saying? I'm too anal???  :res:  j/k

What I meant to say is that the particular font used in the journal doesn't come with apostrophe or quotation marks so the author has to actually think about using a different font to match the Handwriting font, otherwise the marks default to Times New Roman. I hope I'm making sense! It is written all in caps BUT WHEN I PUT MY CAPS LOCK ON AND TYPE ' IT STILL REQUIRES ONE TO USE THE SHIFT KEY TO GET ". And it's consistent throughout the journal. Not once is an apostrophe correctly used.

Okay, I admit it's a stretch for a clue, but ya never know!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 27, 2008, 09:15:32 PM
I'll post the photo for the journal ........
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 27, 2008, 09:34:04 PM
Oh now I see Molecule!

Heee...Mole OCD is a lot like TAR OCD...and we all have that around here! :lol:

What about the little drawing??

And why are we missing him? Where is he going? ???
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 28, 2008, 12:10:09 AM
Oh now I see Molecule!

Heee...Mole OCD is a lot like TAR OCD...and we all have that around here! :lol:

What about the little drawing??

And why are we missing him? Where is he going? ???

Thank you puddin for the image! Glad you haven't left us completely!!!

No kidding about OCD Peach! OMG, I never thot I'd get this wrapped up in the show.  :snicker:

I have no idea about the drawing.  Looks like some kinda robot? A machine perhaps? Paul is a machinist? My initial impression. And we're missing him, or the other players are missing him rather, because he'll get an exemption during the next eppy and so he is all alone for a night? Could be a foreshadowing?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 28, 2008, 12:20:28 AM
P.S.  I think the Mole is saying in the journal that she/he is not as "stupid" as Craig or Alex because she/he thinks both of them would slip and give up their identity, essentially eliminating them from being the Mole. That would leave Paul, Mark, Kristen, Clay and Nicole as the Mole.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 28, 2008, 01:42:12 AM
i don't think the mole is insinuating craig or Alex are stupid and would slip up. Here's how i read it..

IF the Mole had a journal entry this week, it would mean the Mole still had his/her journal to write in. Since the only ones who have their journals intact are Craig and Alex, a journal entry appearing would HAVE to mean the mole was one of them.

The entry was poorly written. it should have been something more like:

"I bet you thought I'd write in my
journal this week, proving I’m Craig or Alex, didn't you?

Ha! I'm not that stupid.

Don't miss me too much." (hinting that he/she will be back with a journal entry next week as they all get journals again)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: olivesandhummus on June 28, 2008, 02:04:57 AM
I don't think that the online journal would deliberately eliminate any person from being the mole. I just don't see why ABC would do that and still put energy into making text clues, etc. for each episode. That would make it too easy.

I personally would love to see Mark be the mole, but not a lot of clues point to him. It would be hilarious because of this whole journal business he's putting on. He seemed pretty sincere at the beginning of the season when he cried and was talking about him and his wife each working 2 jobs. But the mole DOES get paid to sabotage the missions, so maybe he meant he was willing to deceive in order to help his family.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: buckhead betty on June 28, 2008, 02:17:56 AM
Hey everyone!! Well I guess after being a "guest" on this board for the past year (avid BB watcher) I FINALLY signed up so I can add my two cents instead of just talking to my computer while reading the posts  :lol:


Ok so here's my first two cents.....

I from the begining felt the Mole is either Mark or Kristen, now after reading these clues and theories my suspicions stand but now added Craig to them.

Now to the point... reading this entire thread and confirming some Mark clues, I think I may have a "theory" on the ABCCBAA etc. clue. A's B's and C's are grades but are also called "marks" (Mark!) and he is a High School history teacher right?  I wonder if he teaches 11th grade history? Well its probably not a great theory but I just htought I would add aother to the oh so addicting clue mix :snicker:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: buckhead betty on June 28, 2008, 02:41:02 AM
Now I havent looked at the ABC site to see the journal or what thats all about so im only first seeing the pic here in the thread but could the "dont miss me too much" just be a regular old clue or is it foreshadow for whats to come b/c if its just another hint remember after they burned the journal's Mark went missing and no one knew where he was.

Or when Craig went off with the medics he missed dinner and the burning journal ceremony.

gosh my stuff sounds pretty mediocre to some yall's theories hehehe.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 28, 2008, 09:41:59 AM
i don't think the mole is insinuating craig or Alex are stupid and would slip up. Here's how i read it..

IF the Mole had a journal entry this week, it would mean the Mole still had his/her journal to write in. Since the only ones who have their journals intact are Craig and Alex, a journal entry appearing would HAVE to mean the mole was one of them.

The entry was poorly written. it should have been something more like:

"I bet you thought I'd write in my
journal this week, proving I’m Craig or Alex, didn't you?

Ha! I'm not that stupid.

Don't miss me too much." (hinting that he/she will be back with a journal entry next week as they all get journals again)

Brilliant Rabbit!  :jumpy: You're spot on! I can't believe how clear the message is now. It's written on a piece of paper and not in a journal! Duh  :groan:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jojonj on June 28, 2008, 10:32:01 AM
Ok, not sure if this has been brought up...I still believe the mole is Clay and I am going to stand firm unless he gets executed of course..LOL...but with the piggy's went to market thing...did anybody take notice what the "pigs" are made of...CLAY and they show the picture of all the little pigs...any thoughts on that?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Crash_hust on June 28, 2008, 01:43:36 PM
I think we all read into everything way to much HAHAHa.

I still wish i could make sense of the clue cards.... they seem to be the missing link. I'm still pretty convinced its paul. and if it isn't paul... i think he'll win. Craig is still up there tho... and i think EVERYONE agrees he is a prime suspect.
THe little piggy challenge is the one that has me tied up. Mainly because they BOTH could have sabatoged it. Paul trying to catch the piggies (and breaking the one they had) and Craig suggesting to put Bobby in the wheelbarrow, also that group didnt get ANY pigs, and Craig also suggested to take another groups wheelbarrow so they could get more.... that could have worked out well if someone "overheated" and turned it over.

 :groan: what to think what to think.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on June 28, 2008, 02:55:46 PM
i don't think the mole is insinuating craig or Alex are stupid and would slip up. Here's how i read it..

IF the Mole had a journal entry this week, it would mean the Mole still had his/her journal to write in. Since the only ones who have their journals intact are Craig and Alex, a journal entry appearing would HAVE to mean the mole was one of them.

The entry was poorly written. it should have been something more like:

"I bet you thought I'd write in my
journal this week, proving I’m Craig or Alex, didn't you?

Ha! I'm not that stupid.

Don't miss me too much." (hinting that he/she will be back with a journal entry next week as they all get journals again)

Oh geez.  I can't believe I didn't think of that.  I feel so stupid now.  That makes perfect sense.  Great call.

I have another question while I'm thinking about it.  I understand the 11 clue from the first week but I think people are jumping on it so much.  Everyone seems to be looking for 11 anywhere and everywhere.  I'm not saying it's not a clue but it seems like people are focusing so much on it.  They want Craig to be The Mole so anything they can turn into 11 they will just to become more confident in Craig.  Self-fulfilling prophecy, ya know?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on June 28, 2008, 02:57:06 PM
Ok, not sure if this has been brought up...I still believe the mole is Clay and I am going to stand firm unless he gets executed of course..LOL...but with the piggy's went to market thing...did anybody take notice what the "pigs" are made of...CLAY and they show the picture of all the little pigs...any thoughts on that?

I'm with you at this point.  I'm backing Clay as the mole 100%.  I think your reasoning is kind of silly and arbitrary but I totally agree with the sentiment.  My only other top suspect for a while was Victoria and now that she's gone it just has to be Clay in my mind.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mintobrandybuck on June 28, 2008, 03:18:42 PM
Hey, everyone! Just read through all of this, and I've got to say I'm impressed by the deductive reasoning going on here.

A little about me: I take pride in my innate ability to read people, which is why I love shows like these that keep you guessing. I've successfully guessed the mole in Seasons 1 and 2 (I didn't watch 3 or 4 >_>), and I'm pretty confident I can in this season, too. So. . . I'm here to help you all find the truth and cut out everything else!  ;)

My bit: Personally, I think the mole is Mark. I know there is not a lot of clues pointing to him, but in my experience the mole is always the one that you would least expect. I mean, what good is being the mole if you purposely give hints as to your identity? He's not very suspicious, but then again neither were Kathryn or Bill.

Now as for the clues, I don't want to trust the Mole scrapbook, because I doubt the producers would REALLY put a clue in there. From what I've deduced, all it has are events that happened in that episode and a little mocking farewell to whoever it is that leaves. Someone pointed out that Paul would make the type of comments that the mole did in the scrapbook, but honestly I think anyone who had that position would be like that.

A lot of recurring things are see are the number 11, the grades, and the 'I lie with my eyes' hint. I don't really think the number 11 can really be a deciding factor in this case, because

a) The journals were chosen randomly. Therefore Craig getting Journal 11 is a coincidence.
b) A lot of the reasoning that has been shown makes sense. . . if you were trying to prove that Craig is the mole. Which leads me to my next point.

I don't know what to think about the grades (or the other clues, for that matter). I assume they have to do with the episode they were given for, so I guess I'll be watching out for anything that may be related to this week's clue. And for the 'Eyes' clue, I don't feel comfortable using it as evidence because there is no proof that its meaning has been shown yet. IN fact, more likely than not, the clue has to do with the entire season as a whole. It's too early to make assumptions.

I think, honestly, that some of these clues are being overthought. I know the hints are subtle, but they wouldn't purposely make them so obscure that you have to do a bunch of math or google search some random congress act. I remember from previous seasons, for example:

Season 1: One clue in particular I remember was after one episode, the host said '____(The guy who got executed) paid the price', and the mole's last name was Price.
Season 2: Early on in season 2 the word 'Admiral' flashed during the opening credits. Bill was an admiral.

So unless they've gone and changed it to make it harder, I doubt the clues will be difficult to figure out; rather, they will be subtle and go unnoticed.

So. . . yeah. That's my bit. Sorry if I've shot dwn your theories in this post, but cutting them down can actually help us get closer. I actually have a lot more to say, but it'll have to wait until next time. I'm getting a little long-winded as it is. Think about it!

Oh, before I forget! My parents and sister wouldn't leave this alone from the last episode: Near the end of the episode (I believe it was at the dinner before the execution; all I remember was that tension was high), when they were panning between everyone at the table, there was a baby's cry when it showed Mark (. . . or was it Nicole? >_>). Now the three of them are hellbent on proving the mole is Nicole because she's and OBGYN. (Personally, I think it was just a sound effect because the atmosphere was tense. Who knows?)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: buckhead betty on June 28, 2008, 05:40:33 PM
Mintobrandybuck I also heard the baby cry!! It made me think Nicole too but I dunno. Mark's wife is expecting their 4th child so it could be for that as well.

Another thing I was thinking about is that s666 clue, 's' is the 19th letter of the alphabet and Mark is 42, now I dont know if his birthday has passed yet but if it has then that would make the year he was born 1966...19(s)66 now for the last 6 it could be his age added up 4+2=6. I dunno. He's the only one in front of a waterfall on his bio pick and for school he went to University of Wisconsin, Whitewater.


But then I get thrown off of Mark b/c I was just going back through an episode and slowing it up during the intro and I saw another DOB Height and POB and occupation thingy (like the Chicago one mentioned in the thread) But this one said Los Angeles and it shows it like 3 diffent times. and the DOB also read 2/5/1970 and would go back to 1971 (to what even looked like 1990 at one point) then completely changed to 1114. What could that possibly have to do with him? Only thing I could come up with with the 1114 is that he already has 3 kids (111) and the 4th is on the way(4). And if I did see 1990, Mark and his wife have been married for 18yrs maybe they were married February 5th 1990 :duno:


Someone please remind me I do have a life lol. :lol:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on June 29, 2008, 12:18:49 AM
Feedback wanted!!


In the first journal entry the passport in the upper left has many entries of travel... the only person that would need to travel that much is someone like Craig...... in his bio on ABC.com reads "Craig has traveled extensively and worked as a humanitarian disaster relief aide worker in Turkey and Thailand."
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on June 29, 2008, 01:42:10 AM
I'm feeling there is way too much pointing to Craig at this point. They are making it too obvious.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on June 29, 2008, 03:25:39 PM
My bit: Personally, I think the mole is Mark. I know there is not a lot of clues pointing to him, but in my experience the mole is always the one that you would least expect. I mean, what good is being the mole if you purposely give hints as to your identity? He's not very suspicious, but then again neither were Kathryn or Bill.

Now as for the clues, I don't want to trust the Mole scrapbook, because I doubt the producers would REALLY put a clue in there. From what I've deduced, all it has are events that happened in that episode and a little mocking farewell to whoever it is that leaves. Someone pointed out that Paul would make the type of comments that the mole did in the scrapbook, but honestly I think anyone who had that position would be like that.

A lot of recurring things are see are the number 11, the grades, and the 'I lie with my eyes' hint. I don't really think the number 11 can really be a deciding factor in this case, because

a) The journals were chosen randomly. Therefore Craig getting Journal 11 is a coincidence.
b) A lot of the reasoning that has been shown makes sense. . . if you were trying to prove that Craig is the mole. Which leads me to my next point.

I don't know what to think about the grades (or the other clues, for that matter). I assume they have to do with the episode they were given for, so I guess I'll be watching out for anything that may be related to this week's clue. And for the 'Eyes' clue, I don't feel comfortable using it as evidence because there is no proof that its meaning has been shown yet. IN fact, more likely than not, the clue has to do with the entire season as a whole. It's too early to make assumptions.

I think, honestly, that some of these clues are being overthought. I know the hints are subtle, but they wouldn't purposely make them so obscure that you have to do a bunch of math or google search some random congress act. I remember from previous seasons, for example:

Season 1: One clue in particular I remember was after one episode, the host said '____(The guy who got executed) paid the price', and the mole's last name was Price.
Season 2: Early on in season 2 the word 'Admiral' flashed during the opening credits. Bill was an admiral.

So unless they've gone and changed it to make it harder, I doubt the clues will be difficult to figure out; rather, they will be subtle and go unnoticed.

So. . . yeah. That's my bit. Sorry if I've shot dwn your theories in this post, but cutting them down can actually help us get closer. I actually have a lot more to say, but it'll have to wait until next time. I'm getting a little long-winded as it is. Think about it!

I agree with a lot of what you're saying although I think the journal clues have to be taken into account.  They're the most direct clues and I don't see why they'd even create them if they weren't important.  My problem with them is that they're too easy.  Based on the wording they've already narrowed it down to Clay or Paul which I think sucks.  I would like them not to mean much because if they do then they're basically just telling us who the mole is.  But I'm definitely sticking with them for now partially because I think we have to and partially because I've suspected Clay since day one.

You're totally right that people overthink things.  The clues are much more simple than a lot of people remember.  Usually clues for the mole in the U.S. can all be deciphered by looking at contestants bios on the official website, finding double meanings in wording, freeze framing the TV and maybe a little math. 

People do get in the trap of deciding that the mole is someone and then trying to make all the clues point to that person.  They're so dead set on a certain person that they over complicate the clues just so an answer leads to their suspect that they don't just take the clue at face value and let it point naturally to the real suspect.

If this was the UK or AU I'd be more inclined to believe wacky theories since some of their clues for the mole have been downright ridiculous like noticing the mole tapping their fingers in morse code or running words that the mole spoke together so they sort of sound like a James Bond reference. o.0

To paraphase an old saying.  If you can hear a horse and smell a horse then don't assume it's a zebra.  Sometimes the simpliest answer is the right one.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: twinkletoes on June 29, 2008, 03:41:47 PM
Quote
You're totally right that people overthink things.  The clues are much more simple than a lot of people remember.  Usually clues for the mole in the U.S. can all be deciphered by looking at contestants bios on the official website, finding double meanings in wording, freeze framing the TV and maybe a little math. 


But it is so much fun to "pretend" we are super sleuths!!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 29, 2008, 09:37:57 PM
Quote
You're totally right that people overthink things.  The clues are much more simple than a lot of people remember.  Usually clues for the mole in the U.S. can all be deciphered by looking at contestants bios on the official website, finding double meanings in wording, freeze framing the TV and maybe a little math. 


But it is so much fun to "pretend" we are super sleuths!!

OMG twinkletoes! I love you for saying this!  :funny:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Crash_hust on June 30, 2008, 12:36:40 AM
whats this weeks text clue? i want to know who is freakin going home.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: kckid on June 30, 2008, 12:48:29 AM
I just watched episodes 3 and 4 (been traveling) and don't claim to be  as good as you guys at catching all the clues. However, I think Mark is The Mole. He is a history teacher,and in the Crusoe challenge, put something that obviously didn't belong on the table(jeans I think)  He put back gold on the table in order to take the scale.  He kept insisting that Craig take time to rest. Opted out of the underwear challenge.  I think that the whole journal thing is a ploy.  I read in an earlier post the 810 thing, which makes me think it's Mark. In  episode 4, Jon is talking about the quiz and who the mole is and they show Mark's bag(but also Nicole's) Now having said that, there are many clues to point to Craig, Clay or Nicole.  The 'moel' with the arrow pointing at Nicole seems like a great clue, as do all of the 11 theories. So, after all that, I guess I don't know who The Mole is! But Mark is my main suspect and he doesn't seem to be drawing much attention here.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: kckid on June 30, 2008, 12:56:48 AM
Also, FWIW in Mark's bio, "end game" is in quotes.  He ends the game as The Mole?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 30, 2008, 10:22:05 AM
Week 5 quiz

Here are the questions for the fifth Quiz:


Question 1: Is the Mole?

Male
Female


Question 2: In the "All for One" mission, from Jon's perspective, where was the Mole chained (l to r)?

First
Second
Third
Fourth
Fifth
Sixth
Seventh


Question 3: In "All for One," when did the Mole grab the key?

First
Second
Third
Fourth
Fifth
Seventh


Question 4: Did the Mole get inside of a sleeping bag during the "All for One" mission?

Yes
No


Question 5: During the "Travelers" mission, what was the Mole wearing?

Shorts
Pants

Question 6: In "Travelers," what form of transportation was originally assigned to the Mole?

Conquistador and Donkey
Scuba Gear
Unicycle
Stilts
Llama
The Mole was not assigned a form of transportation


Question 7:Who was the Mole paired with for the "Travelers" mission?

Alex
Clay
Kristen
Mark
Nicole
Paul
The mole was not paired with another player


Question 8: At breakfast before the "Travelers" mission, where was the Mole sitting (clockwise from Jon) ?

First
Second
Third
Fourth
Fifth
Sixth
Seventh


Question 9: Has the Mole had an exemption to date?

Yes
No


Question 10: Who is the Mole?

Alex
Clay
Craig
Kristen
Mark
Nicole
Paul

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 30, 2008, 12:04:28 PM
Text clue:

CHNO 111738
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on June 30, 2008, 03:26:50 PM
Question 5: During the "Travelers" mission, what was the Mole wearing?

Shorts
Pants

Well, I guess at least this one question breaks the Mole out into one of two groups based on the photos in this thread http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15641.0.html :

1. Paul, Mark and Nicole

2. Kristen, Alex, Clay and Craig

Unless Kristen is wearing shorts over those leggings, but I can't tell if she is or not.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 30, 2008, 07:16:16 PM
I keep going back in my mind to the "most liked" person becomes the "most hated"...

We know that Paul for sure is NOT the most liked person--neither is Nicole...

I'm guessing that it is Craig who is the most liked and that makes me think that he takes the exemption, leaving everyone out in the cold. Maybe he does blame it on his "hypothermia" last episode? Which, btw, would have been a great cover for meeting with production. As would have Mark's disappearance!

The Mole does have to have some time w/ TPTB!!

And Rabbit!! Great job on the journal interpretation--you NAILED it I'm sure!  :jumpy:

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 30, 2008, 07:33:13 PM
thanks peach!

ok, i think i might still be lost here. If i want to pick apart screen caps for the upcoming episode to try and deduce what is going to happen, which forum would i go to? Can someone please point me in the right direction. thanks.

There are conflicting things for this upcoming episode tonight that make no sense. The sneak peek of the cage challenge, combined with photos from abcmedianet combined with the now released quiz preview questions have got my mind working overtime. Each thing contradicts the other to the point where i need to pick them apart with folks.

 :pull
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on June 30, 2008, 08:17:41 PM
Any future ones we have are here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15557.0.html

But usually we get them from the promos so not till after tonight's show....
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 30, 2008, 08:27:24 PM
so things like discussing previews/promos etc for tonight's episode BEFORE it airs, would be in that forum right?  before i go in there, does it have spoilers for episode coming 2 or 3 weeks on advance? (which would spoil who *doesn't* go home)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on June 30, 2008, 08:36:15 PM
I'm pretty sure it does Rabbit, sorry  :kuss:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on June 30, 2008, 08:46:24 PM
tis ok. maybe i'll venture in there and hope for the best. i'd rather have a place to dissect screen caps than not. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.  :hearts: :hearts:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: nightwolf on June 30, 2008, 09:14:04 PM
During the opening interviews of tonight's episode, Craig was looking to his right (viewer left) when talking about almost dieing in the ambulance.  I believe that psychology lie detector signs say people look to their right when creating a story and to their left when recalling. That would suggest that Craig is lying with his eyes. A bit of a stretch but something.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: dimior on June 30, 2008, 09:34:15 PM
now this may be too obvious, but from

234
715

i found that 715 is an area code in Wisconsin (Mark's home state)

still working on what the 234 can mean...
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: nightwolf on June 30, 2008, 09:50:53 PM
There is a soccer drill called the 234 Drill but that is a bit far fetched.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 01, 2008, 01:23:45 AM
Trains, train stations, etc. seem to be a recurring theme. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on July 01, 2008, 01:19:23 PM
My thought on the 234
                           715 
clue is that if you read it  clockwise starting with the 2 it goes in order with the exception of the 6's place which hold a 1. SO...I was thinking that this could be meant to single out 1 or 6. If it is 6 then I thought maybe the 6th letter being F? Also there was another online Clue s666-LIAr. 6 again. As far as the 1 goes no ideas . But I do remember one of the quiz questions asking the order they sat in at breakfast going clockwise so it could have something to do with that Also maybe 16 or 61....just some thoughts no ideas on what it could mean. 
 edit: Paul is 1st at breakfast and Craig is 6th
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mintobrandybuck on July 02, 2008, 01:01:43 AM
During the opening interviews of tonight's episode, Craig was looking to his right (viewer left) when talking about almost dieing in the ambulance.  I believe that psychology lie detector signs say people look to their right when creating a story and to their left when recalling. That would suggest that Craig is lying with his eyes. A bit of a stretch but something.

That is a good deduction, however, Craig did almost die in the ambulance. While you are correct that looking to the up and to the left indicates a visually constructed image, this is not the best basis to go on. While this method has merit, you shouldn't base an opinion solely on it.

However, you may be on to something with this. I charge everyone here to try and note which way people look when they speak, so we can try to get this 'I lie with my eyes' clue solved as soon as we can.

This website can help: http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php

I have not yet seen this newest episode, but from what I hear there are some interesting clues. I plan to watch it tomorrow some time. I'll say more then.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on July 02, 2008, 09:52:42 AM

I re-watched the last episode last night and a couple things caught my eye:
1) When the group arrives for the first mission Craig is not wearing his glasses but then when they show the shot of him inside with Kristen when Paul enters he has them on.....I know that Craig came to most peoples mind with the "I lie with my eyes" clue simply because he has glasses. People have also said that he could not really need them...so I found this odd.   There have been other missions that he has not worn them(when pigs fly I think) and my thought was he could easily have contacts in at that time, but in this case would he arrive with contacts and then go take them out or something??????? hmmmmm....

2) At breakfast before the “Travelers” mission Jon begins the conversation with good morning and talks about the different altitude the sun and wine ect... and immediately turns the conversation to Craig giving him the perfect opportunity to say the word exemption...I didn’t see this as weird when I watched it the first time but now knowing that is what made Craig the decision maker for the next mission makes me rethink it...I know that Jon says he has no idea who the mole is but he could have been told what to say at breakfast by producers...any way could be nothing could be something......

3) At the end of the show during the preview for the next episode (in two weeks I think) the very end it shows the contestants coming in to the execution and then the screen get all greenish and glowing and immediately cuts to a red thumb printed screen. If you re-watch this section (last 15 seconds about) in frame by frame you see this purple/pink swirl/circle around Alex right before it shows the execution thumb print...This could be pointing him out as the mole or the one executed, I prefer to think the latter. I really wish I could show a picture of it but I’m not that technologically savvy...so go back and watch it frame by frame and you’ll see what I mean its pretty obvious...
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: elTopo on July 02, 2008, 01:33:28 PM
another thing i was thinking about was perhaps the producers had in mind when they created the travellers game (knowing craig and his recent health problems) that they were gonna make craig that position no matter what. if you think about it, i believe the players had to travel 5 miles in 45 minutes (?). if thats so then they're expecting the players to do 9 minute miles which i think is reasonable for the remaining 6. however i think 9 minute miles for 5 miles is NOT possible for craig.

i dont think theres any way the producers would create a game that not everyone could participate in.  i guess they could always have assumed that someone would have given him a moped or bike.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 02, 2008, 07:27:50 PM
Thought I'd lend a hand and post the latest from the Mole's Journal:

(http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm372/Moleclueless/EP5Journal1.jpg)

(http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm372/Moleclueless/EP5Journal2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 02, 2008, 07:34:07 PM
I haven't begun to look at these, but my initial impression is that the Mole has kids or is involved with kids in some way because of the llama remark. I know that at least Clay, Mark and Paul have children(?).
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 02, 2008, 08:51:28 PM
I'm convinced that the last online clue was in reference to Kristen leaving. She said something about it being tenuous just at the end of the dinner before the execution and that there was "a 1 out of 6 chance of leaving." The 1 came out of the 6 in a sense in the clue. That being said, I don't think the online or text clues will ever tell us who the Mole is. The episodes will. This other stuff is just fluff.

Except, I do think the online journal will give us clues and after re-watching the last episode I think the "kids" reference is relevant. The goat (aka "a kid"), the soccer team made up of kids, etc. The other journal entry re: "the chains that bind us" could also be a clue about something in common between the players... e.g. kids. In other words, the Mole has a kid or kids.

I'm also REALLY beginning to think that trains and grapes are clues. There was a close-up of grapes before the last dinner (maybe that explains the visual reference from a previous eppy, The Last Supper, just for fun's sake?). The only hometowns that reek of trains are Chicago and New York (with Yonkers & Chicago both having some serious history relating to trains) so that would point to Paul or Nicole. New York also has vineyards, particularly in the Finger Lakes region. A little known fact I'm sure. (btw, been there... great wine!)

I'm still sold on Paul. People think he's too obvious to be the Mole and I hear it all the time that there's no way he could be the Mole. I even thought so at first, but I now believe the previous journal entries point his way too.

As always, I'm probably wrong!  :lol:

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on July 03, 2008, 07:47:32 AM


Now we know who had journal #11.


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/craigjournal-11.jpg?t=1215089197)



Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on July 03, 2008, 10:14:00 AM
Nice catch knuckles thanks!  :yess:  I think that the fact he has journal 11 and is 11th in the opening can't be purely luck can it???   
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 03, 2008, 10:50:31 AM
 Very nice knuckles--thanks!  :gj:

The whole Craig ambulance thing is still bothering me...

I worked ER for years and I can't say that I saw any evidence of hypothermia there or it being treated. Altittude sickness is a possibility still though...

But this would have been a great way to get him away for a production update, wouldn't it?  :duno:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on July 03, 2008, 10:52:55 AM
Nice catch knuckles thanks!  :yess:  I think that the fact he has journal 11 and is 11th in the opening can't be purely luck can it???

Well, it can be.  I know I've said it before guys and I know that if I'm wrong I'll look pretty dumb but I have to say it again.  Everyone is WAAAAAY too focused on 11.  I know it was one of the first clues we got but it seems like those that go hunting for 11 clues are those that want Craig to be the mole.  There are so many other clues.  I think peeps need to put 11 on the backburner for now and try to find more clues to the mole instead of more clues to 11 that will make Craig the mole.  Focusing on one clue and one person all the time might not be the best strategy.



As far as the new online mole journal goes I don't see any new information in it.  I didn't really expect new info.  Like I thinking before they've already given us way too much pointing to either Paul or Clay.  Anymore at this point and they tell us who the mole is.  I don't think "kids" is any new clue.  That involves a bit of a leap making assumptions from the clues and thus far all the clues from the mole's journal have been pretty obvious and straight forward.  Either way if Paul and Clay both have kids then the non-clue doesn't help anymore.

My money is still on Clay with Paul as my back-up.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: randallcornelius on July 03, 2008, 01:57:46 PM
i just wanna throw something out there, and i don't know what significance it has and i don't think i saw anyone mention it, but did anyone else notice that for every entry in the journal, all the letters are capatalized except for i? I don't know if there is a purpose to that or not but it's been driving me crazy, so i had to let it out...

anyways, since this is the first season i came online and checked out forums, i was wondering if, for past seasons, you guys actually figured out who the mole was before the show ended? and if you did, how long before?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on July 03, 2008, 05:56:57 PM
The small "i"s in the journal is just the font they used, which is one of the available fonts at Scrapblog. I created the same thing using that font.. TOp one is from the journal, bottom one is from me.

(http://members.shaw.ca/squeezedrabbit/mole/screencaps/handwriting.jpg)

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on July 03, 2008, 06:18:19 PM
Very nice knuckles--thanks!  :gj:

The whole Craig ambulance thing is still bothering me...

I worked ER for years and I can't say that I saw any evidence of hypothermia there or it being treated. Altittude sickness is a possibility still though...

But this would have been a great way to get him away for a production update, wouldn't it?  :duno:

I am with you peach....I think that even if some of his issues were genuine it would have been easy for them to blow it out of proportion so the could have time to talk to the producers....Although I feel bad being suspicious of him in this case because it could most defiantly have been legit...

Also I would be interested to know if anyone else has the same journal # as the order they are introduced (it would also be convincing{that Craig was a coincident} to me if there was a clue given by abc that directly pointed to anyone in more than one way.)

This is the order for opening: Victoria, Mark, Bobby, Marcie, Nicole, Paul, Alex, Liz, Ali, Clay, Craig, Kristen.....If we could get a list of what journal numbers people have old or new that would be great...++ something I noticed Jon brought out 10 journals, all of the # that we burned, so people could still have the same number if they wanted.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on July 03, 2008, 06:26:47 PM
Mark had #10, still has #10. He's 2nd in intro so that doesn't line up
Alex had #12, still has #12. He's 7th. ditto
Paul had #4 (i believe), has #1 now. He's 6th in intro. ditto
Nicole had #9 (i believe), not sure now but she's 5th in intro. ditto
Clay . don't know
Craig had #11, still has #11. He's 11th in intro.  ;)

hope that helps.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 03, 2008, 07:32:01 PM
another thing i was thinking about was perhaps the producers had in mind when they created the travellers game (knowing craig and his recent health problems) that they were gonna make craig that position no matter what. if you think about it, i believe the players had to travel 5 miles in 45 minutes (?). if thats so then they're expecting the players to do 9 minute miles which i think is reasonable for the remaining 6. however i think 9 minute miles for 5 miles is NOT possible for craig.

i dont think theres any way the producers would create a game that not everyone could participate in.  i guess they could always have assumed that someone would have given him a moped or bike.

9 minute miles? on stilts? on a monoped? inside a llama? etc.etc.  Not very realistic.  Walking at a rate of 4-5 miles an hour is fast walking.  So doing 5 miles with all that other stuff is sort of out of the question to do it in 45 minutes.  And at altitude up a hill!  That task was rigged to fail from the start.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: buckhead betty on July 03, 2008, 08:26:22 PM
After watching I really dont think Clay is the mole anymore.

He threw an object at another player that hit him (or nearly hit him) in the head. Do you think someone hired by ABC would resort to something that could have led to a physical fight? I just cant see the mole intentionally harming someone.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on July 03, 2008, 11:10:27 PM
Eh, I can understand the logic but I don't necessarily agree.  Where does one draw the line?  Paul has been trying to start fights left and right but many still think he might be the mole.  Nicole threatened to kill Paul.  Does that mean the mole has to be Craig, Mark or Alex?  I duhno.

I'd be more concerned if Clay threw a punch or even threw something like a rock.  But a lemon?  Come on.  Who gets seriously injured from a lemon?  By the look of it Clay wasn't even trying to hit Paul and it grazed him be accident.  He might have just wanted it to land near him.  Besides, even the mole can be consumed by emotion and do something stupid.  Nobody is perfect.  The mole is prone to human emotions and faults.  If the mole did something wrong ABC would probably reprimand them but unless it was something serious I doubt actions would be taken. 

I can see the concern but I definitely wouldn't rule Clay out yet.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: eazeymac91 on July 04, 2008, 11:26:40 AM
I saw this mentioned on the forums on abc but during the Cage challenge when mark is the only one left and he is thinking about what he should do the camera shows the chain in the shape of an M clearly.  Now the only way this could've been done is if the producers did it because when Alex went up it looked nothing like an M
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Belle Book on July 04, 2008, 02:03:20 PM
The Mole's clues in episode 5 indicate two things to me:

1.  The Mole considered going for the exemption but decided to play nice.  I think Nicole, Mark and Paul all considered going for the exemption but decided not to.  The Mole could be one of them.

2.  The Mole has kids or is involved in some way with kids.  Mark has kids (and a wife, of course), and I heard Clay does.  Oh and Nicole's an OB/GYN, so she works with pregnant mothers and mothers with newborns.

So maybe that moves Clay and Nicole up the scale to join Craig as top suspects.  I still think Mark's too competitive to be the Mole, but I could be wrong.

Belle Book
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on July 04, 2008, 03:13:14 PM
I saw this mentioned on the forums on abc but during the Cage challenge when mark is the only one left and he is thinking about what he should do the camera shows the chain in the shape of an M clearly.  Now the only way this could've been done is if the producers did it because when Alex went up it looked nothing like an M

I read all that too on the abc boards and i don't believe it for a second. That "M" could have been formed by Mark walking up to the cage and back while waiting for the cage to be opened. In fact, Mark had formed a mini version of it earlier in that challenge too. I put together some screen caps to illustrate how, through his actions and the actions of the others, that "Mark of the Mole" could have easily been formed without it being on purpose from the producers.

It can be found here:
http://members.shaw.ca/squeezedrabbit/mole/screencaps/smokinggun.jpg

Now, this isn't to say that Mark isn't the mole as he very well could be. I just don't believe that this so-called smoking gun is any sign or clue purposely planted by the producers or the mole himself.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on July 04, 2008, 04:26:36 PM
Thanks Rabbit!!! That helps,  :ty3:  Also I don't think that we can rule any one out when it says that the mole thought about taking the exemption, any one could have thought about it even if they didn't voice any of it......also we don't know for sure how accurate this journal is....and I don't think that the ‘kids like it’ in reference to the Llama was meant as a clue of course JMO. I feel like the journal is some what of a ploy to keep us busy, while it could contain some useful information I highly doubt that they would put any information in there to directly eliminate any contestants. {I think that this is why they change some of the early entries[the bit a bout the blindfold] the didn't want to be obvious or they didn't want to give out too much info.}  Also is the show coming on this week at 10 still or 9. I know that it is the Bachelorette finally, but idk if ABC has any other shows to fill in the 9-10 slot. Any one Any one???


***If you watch some of the bonus footage online it seems like Clay and Paul have a secret coalition...hmmm...***



EDIT: OK so I asked the above ? and then looked it up so if any one else wanted to know:
This Monday (7-7-08): no show
Next Monday (7-14-08): 9:00~take a closer look, 10:00~New Episode.


Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on July 04, 2008, 04:36:23 PM
The Bachelorette is on for 2 hours 8-10 with a reunion show 10-11
The mole comes back on July 14th with a recrap eppy 9-10 and new eppy 10-11

according to ABC's programming schedule.

hope that helps.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: KingCrimson88 on July 05, 2008, 10:25:28 AM
The whole "music to the moles ears" coment from Jon earlier in the season makes me think Alex is the mole(he's a musician). Don't they always have little clues like that every season? Of course this assumes the host knows the moles identity, but eh.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 05, 2008, 10:48:50 AM
The host does NOT know the Mole's identity...but they are certainly fed lines to use....

I'm still wondering about those "Pisco Sours"! :lol:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on July 05, 2008, 02:51:58 PM
lololol peach. Has he mentioned them lately? seems he's moved onto wine now!

I thought he mentioned Pisco sour wayyyyy too many times for it to not mean anything.

Pisco sours ARE made with lemons and who loves his lemon?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on July 05, 2008, 03:31:29 PM
That M in the chain clue is ridiculous.  I'd say it's once again another case of people looking so closely for clues that they'll try to turn anything and everything that they see into a clue.

I still don't think the kids comment is a clue either.  It's just not fitting in with how the clues in the mole's journals have lined up so far.  They're all been simple.  Infering that it's a clue saying that the mole either has kids or works with kids is a bit of a leap.  Besides, not every comment in the journals is a clue.  Some are just silly, one off comments that are probably planted there just for people to infer much more than they should.

No Mole this week?  Ugh!  That sucks. 
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on July 05, 2008, 03:45:22 PM
Everyone im convinced the Mole is Paul. At first when the shoe started he was  the lowest on my radar  because everyone was trying so hard to convince that they were the mole(mainly Nicole) If hes executed ill be

Observing all the journal entries,  he first clue card, and the biblical references ive been seeing points to Paul.

The pre  episode clue find the mom could point to Nicole since she deals with mothers and is an OBGYN however prior to thatepisode Marcie was a stay at home mom. Naturally you would think that she could be the mole based on that clue. Now..whne you watch the first episode you see that shes executed so youd move away form her as the mole naturally, however Paul made a secret coalition with her prior to the execution. So..indeed if you did find the "MOM" you would find the "Mole"

Adressing the biblical references being made,in the first episode they showed a statue of Jesus off the cross executed . As we all know Jesus was betrayed by Judas. And if imcorrect at the last supper Judas sat close to Jesus and if that were the case then Paul would be Judas because he was the closest to the Host. Also its kind of funny how John said "May the mole have mercy on your souls." or something to that effect.

The number 11 everyone has been talking about is a good clue but i think your energy is thrown way too much toward craig and i dont think it would be that obvious. If you guys notice in the first episode, for question number 10"Who is the Mole?" Paul's name is listed as the 11th choice.

The journal entries dont seem like much but if you examine each page they point to Paul more than any other player. The journal entries have a subtle tone of arrogance to it much like Pauls personality.

Now heres a page by page anaysis of how the journal enties sound like Paul.

Page 1- "Do you believe in Little old moles Marcie?" is a play on when Liz said "Do you believe in Little old ladies Marcie?" if you go back to the episode, the only person on the camera sharing the screen with Liz is Paul.

Page 2- Heres where the choices are narrowed down very well and point to Paul. If you notice in the letter adressed to Marcie's departure there is a line that says"Girl, you almost had me convinced you were the mole."
If you say that out loud it the "Girl" followed by the pause sounds like something a black person would say so naturally Nicole and Clay would be top choice but also in New york theres alot of heavy slang in there that is similar to the African American vernacular, so it would be wise to include that as something Paul might say.

Now if you look to the message about how the mole said "ICant believed i jumped off the waterfall !" Now.. everyone went down the waterfall challenge but not everyone physically jumped. The only two people who jumped were Pauland Alex.

Page 3- Im not sure about the yellow card statement but the "Which little piggy went to the Market could point to Paul since he proke the little piggy.

Page 4- Is a comment on the blanket  and how they should be bigger. Its kind of strange that Paul worked with Liz to use the blanket and she was executed that episode. And the fact theres theres a comment on the blanket size also leans toward Paul a little bit.

Also the letter adressed to Liz for her departure is very specific and gives away the identity of Paul. The line that says "with all of your foot problems and overheating, i didnt have to lift a finger" because Paul and Kristen were the only ones present when she mentioned her Foot sweeling and overheating, and Ali was bribed to leave, so the only person who could comment on that is Paul.

Page 5- Apparently there was a comment about being blindfolded and going down the luge until ABC changed it to simply going down the luge. Basingmy assumptions on the prior entry that the Mole had to be blindfolded it would have to be Paul because he was blindfolded going down the luge.

Page 6- This is also a big clue to tip you off that its Pau because the letter adressed to Bobby is commenting on how Bobby had to be pushed around in a wheelbarrow by Kristen. The only person to call Bobby out on him not being able to do the challenges well in that manner is Paul.

The grapesained comment is very helpful as well because the Mole comments on how grapes arent his favorite fruit. Now ...if we all rember back Paul had a little lemon as his best friend, so im wondering would a lemon be the Mole's favorite fruit instead?

Page 7- I cant tie the burned note to Paul.

Page 8- The comment on the exemption card implies that the mole thought about taking the exemption and in combination with the picture of the chain and the comment "oh,the ties that bind us" could imply that Paul would have took it had he not said "i swear on my daughter".

Page 9- its funny how out of all of the objects Craig chose for everyone to travel up the hill, the llama was the only one that the mole decided to include in his journal. And Paul and Nicole were supposed to go up the hill in that costume.

The only thing that makes me a bit skeptical about Paul i the baby crying in one episode, which could have been a nod to Nicole for the Mole since shes an OBGYN. Also the factthat Paul really doesnt do anything mole-ish. Having said that if we go back to season one he could be taking the appraoch of Kathyrn(the mole from that season) and let the group dynamic fall on its own while sabotaging smallthings here and there. Theres so much evidence pointing toward Paul id be suprised if he was executed.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 05, 2008, 03:59:30 PM
The Llama Thing - Is one of the contestants' birthdays coming up?

The Eleven Thing - I hear eleven is an evil number like 666

All the Graffiti - There was so much graffiti in the last episode. Someone must have caught it. Once when they arrived to the challenge, once on the wall behind the metal bars during the challenge, once on the wall that Craig was standing in front of at the halfway point during the second challenge.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 05, 2008, 04:16:02 PM
:welcome3: to RFF, marukisu! Glad you found us!

Very nice analysis! 

Rabbit, it is just that I never got MY Pisco Sour! :lol3: The bar service here is terrible.... :lol:

But I do think ABC made a goof on the blindfolded luge comment...nothing else ever got changed did it? ???

And :welcome2: to you too, mountainsOutOfMoleHills!

What makes you ask about the birthday?

We may have a pic of the graffiti...I'll try to go look!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on July 05, 2008, 04:34:18 PM
Thanx  the welcome georgia peach. I have another thing to add for Paul being the mole. In the second question of the quiz for episode 5 "From my perspective where was the mole standing?" is interesting because if you look at the clue card for that epsiode 5 there is a series of numbers:

234
715

If you put these numbers together in order the only on missing is 6 and Paul was the 6th person standing. from John's perspective.

Also in episode 3 Bobby had a good theory uring the fruit of the luge mission where he saw Jon with an apple and made the big apple connection to Paul being from New York aka "The Big Apple".


so who do you think is the mole georgia peach?
also what does everyone else think of my anlysis? =)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on July 05, 2008, 05:21:46 PM
double post.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 05, 2008, 07:22:31 PM
Thanks for the welcome.

Didnt the llama clue say something about a birthday party?

And have you noticed how awkwardly Mark breathes when his name is called at executions? It seems to be bad acting.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: elTopo on July 05, 2008, 07:26:40 PM

Also in episode 3 Bobby had a good theory uring the fruit of the luge mission where he saw Jon with an apple and made the big apple connection to Paul being from New York aka "The Big Apple".


this is one of the reasons why i doubt paul is the mole.  during that episode bobby was trying to convince mark in the sauna that paul was the mole.  he seemed pretty convinced.  this leads me to believe that bobby took the quiz thinking that paul was the mole and that was the episode that bobby was executed.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 06, 2008, 03:07:27 AM
Mark's a soccer coach. They had a challenge of soccer.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: eazeymac91 on July 06, 2008, 12:06:03 PM
Well you can still be a coach and suck at the sport your coaching.  At our school our old soccer coach sucked horribly.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 06, 2008, 12:12:03 PM
But in any case, Mark did not participate in the soccer challenge at all--he was running up the hill with Kristen, right?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on July 06, 2008, 06:28:48 PM
But in any case, Mark did not participate in the soccer challenge at all--he was running up the hill with Kristen, right?

Correct (they also caused the team to lose $35k in the pot for exemptions)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 06, 2008, 07:34:28 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VAky_tgblng (http://youtube.com/watch?v=VAky_tgblng)

See this video.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mintobrandybuck on July 06, 2008, 07:52:32 PM
D'aww, I never got a welcome >_>

In any case, I still haven't watched the newest episode (I really should. . .), but I have kept up with what people have been saying. I am still convinced that Mark is the mole.

Mark's a soccer coach. They had a challenge of soccer.

I don't know, this just stuck out to me. It would make sense if he was the mole to skip the sport that he coaches, and to take the task that will keep money from the pot. I dunno.

Also, someone earlier mentioned somthing else that has stuck with me; something about the word "I" never being capitalized in the journals. This struck me as odd and I can't shake the feeling that this may have something to do with the 'I lie with my eyes (I's)' clue. I don't know.

I'm going to look into it some more to see if I can find some sort of pattern.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 06, 2008, 08:26:12 PM
:welcome2: to RFF Mintobrandybuck!!  :hello2: :hithere: :ty4posting :bigwelcome

SO sorry I missed you --y'all are way ahead of me! :lol:

But we are delighted to welcome you all here, and I'm totally wowed by all the great things y'all are coming up with!

Keep 'em coming!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on July 06, 2008, 09:58:08 PM
Mark's a soccer coach. They had a challenge of soccer.


Maybe that was the clue in general.... The challenge was soccer... with kids......  he's a soccer coach.... he has kids... and the chains that bind us are the kids mark and paul have.. maybe mark IS the mole.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: rosesrred on July 06, 2008, 11:34:31 PM
Oh make no mistake MARK is the Mole. 
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on July 07, 2008, 08:59:46 AM
The small "i"s in the journal is just the font they used, which is one of the available fonts at Scrapblog. I created the same thing using that font.. TOp one is from the journal, bottom one is from me.

(http://members.shaw.ca/squeezedrabbit/mole/screencaps/handwriting.jpg)



this was posted on the earlier page just thought I'd remind you all. SO it would seem that the font has all lower case I's and it was not done on purpose. I guess it could still be a clue, but i doubt it.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on July 07, 2008, 03:14:00 PM
What was the fonts name?

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: VickageDC on July 07, 2008, 07:31:28 PM
Haven't seen anything about this posted here...

I think I know what the last text clue means.  I'm continuing on the assumption that the clues refer to the people who are leaving that week.

CHNO 111738 becomes C11H17N3O8

This is the chemical formula for tetrodotoxin, a potent neurotoxin.  Kristen was the neuroscientist.  Seems to fit.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: VickageDC on July 07, 2008, 07:33:26 PM
I have no idea what this means, so maybe someone else can interpret this clue. 

In the scrapbook, "trail" is mentioned twice.  First in "throw you off the trail" and then on the next page the mole says "happy trails". 

It seems too coincidental to have that word twice in one set of entries without it meaning something.

The only problem is - I have no idea what it could mean!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: TexasLady on July 07, 2008, 07:56:35 PM
What was the fonts name?

I believe the font name is PP Handwriting Font by Pelle Piano, you can see it here:
http://www.fontspace.com/pelle-piano/pp-handwriting

I want to welcome our new posters to RFF, you certainly add to the discussion.  :waves:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 07, 2008, 08:27:19 PM
Thanks TL!

And :welcome2: to RFF, VickageDC!

I love your idea about the neurotoxin!  :jumpy:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 07, 2008, 10:06:38 PM
Maybe the neurotoxin symbolizes the mole defeating Kristen. The Heart could symbolize defeating Liz. And I dont know about the Titanic thing.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on July 07, 2008, 10:26:31 PM
yeah the font is PP Handwriting Normal. Sorry i didn't mention the font name in my original post.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 07, 2008, 11:05:45 PM
Can anyone make something out of this:

234 715
WER UQT
Where are you cutie? Does anyone else think that?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: virushunter981 on July 07, 2008, 11:14:06 PM
Maybe the neurotoxin symbolizes the mole defeating Kristen. The Heart could symbolize defeating Liz. And I dont know about the Titanic thing.

Well, I think this idea was already given, but the only people to not survive the sinking of the Titanic were the ones who took the life rafts.  Those who died didn't.  And I'm sure you remember who didn't take the raft.  Yep.  Marcie.  The first one to go.

And MountainsOutOfMoleHills (mind if I call you mountains?), how did you get that?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 07, 2008, 11:18:43 PM
:welcome3: virushunter!

 :ty4posting --interesting re the Titantic!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: randallcornelius on July 08, 2008, 01:01:04 AM
Can anyone make something out of this:

234 715
WER UQT
Where are you cutie? Does anyone else think that?

virus hunter, he got that by choosing the letters below the numbers on a keyboard. for instance, he used the numbers at the top of the keyboard to refer to these numbers and looked directly under them to see what letters they come up with. Although, i don't think they would have us solve a clue that way, i can't be sure since i'm not writing them  :funny:

it is a bit of a stretch, but any idea counts. And good input from everyone.  :tup:
Title: Re: The Mole 5 *Spoilers*
Post by: multi007 on July 08, 2008, 08:45:13 AM
In the second picture posted by someone earlier ("I Lie with my Eyes"), look closely at the contestants eyes.
All are facing forward except one - Alex.
This one screams out at me!!!!


FROM TWOP

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/463/ewmole1au4.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9881/ewmole2go7.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9523/ewmole3ym1.jpg

It cant be Alex, it just cant be.  Why would the Mole bust his butt speaking Spanish to everyone in town to find virtually all of the piggy banks?  If he were the Mole, he would never admit he knew Spanish, or he would have use his foreign language skills to throw the team off by misdirecting them to different locations. 
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: multi007 on July 08, 2008, 09:00:04 AM
During the opening interviews of tonight's episode, Craig was looking to his right (viewer left) when talking about almost dieing in the ambulance.  I believe that psychology lie detector signs say people look to their right when creating a story and to their left when recalling. That would suggest that Craig is lying with his eyes. A bit of a stretch but something.
That is a good deduction, however, Craig did almost die in the ambulance. While you are correct that looking to the up and to the left indicates a visually constructed image, this is not the best basis to go on. While this method has merit, you shouldn't base an opinion solely on it.

However, you may be on to something with this. I charge everyone here to try and note which way people look when they speak, so we can try to get this 'I lie with my eyes' clue solved as soon as we can.

This website can help: http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies_eyes.php

I have not yet seen this newest episode, but from what I hear there are some interesting clues. I plan to watch it tomorrow some time. I'll say more then.



I dont by that.  Besides, who says that Craig did almost die?  Craig.  Its not like they could use that as a way to get Craig alone to talk to him about more production information  like they did with the girl Kathryn Price from season 1. Remember the season finale of season 1 showed her anguish when talking to the producers inside her hotel room saying "Im not sure I can go on with this".  Then the producers told her she's doing a great job and keep up the good work.   Well for the Mole to get more advice from the producers, they need to get the Mole alone.  How better to do that than get the Mole into an Ambulence? 
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: multi007 on July 08, 2008, 09:06:50 AM
One more thing.   The Mole show has not been on since 2002 (lets forget the celebrity moles for a second becuase they are not nearly like the originals).  Since the year 2002, there was one big advancement in technology.   The TIVO! (I know tivo is much older than 2002 but it really became mainstream after 2002)  As a result, many of the clues from season 1 and season 2 were shown quickly on tv - people who watched the show either watched it live or via VCR.  Now many of us have Tivo that gives us a crystal clear frame by frame review of the show, I think the producers are well aware of this and must be more coy than ever.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jojonj on July 08, 2008, 11:32:41 AM
Hey everyone...I found a few things that I thought were odd...in the scrapbook, the one with the chains that bind...on the bottom of it it says poloroid and the number 32..Clay is 32...also in the llama picture, if you look directly behind it, there sits the unicycle that Clay was suppose to ride...any thoughts?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 08, 2008, 01:33:15 PM
Maybe the neurotoxin symbolizes the mole defeating Kristen. The Heart could symbolize defeating Liz. And I dont know about the Titanic thing.

Well, I think this idea was already given, but the only people to not survive the sinking of the Titanic were the ones who took the life rafts.  Those who died didn't.  And I'm sure you remember who didn't take the raft.  Yep.  Marcie.  The first one to go.

And MountainsOutOfMoleHills (mind if I call you mountains?), how did you get that?

How did I get what?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: TexasLady on July 08, 2008, 01:49:08 PM
How did I get what?

MOOMH: I think what they meant was this:

Quote
234 715
WER UQT
Where are you cutie? Does anyone else think that?

(I LOVE your name!)  :funny:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: multi007 on July 09, 2008, 11:35:10 AM
Here's a great site that brings all clues to one page.

http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=TheMole&Number=9145941&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&rc=&fpart=1

Nothing stands out for me.  Of course when this is all over, we will be like "Ohhhhhhhhh, that's what that meant!"
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: randallcornelius on July 09, 2008, 10:35:56 PM
ok, now i'm just gonna throw this out there, i think i might be way off, but whatever... :duno:

in the mole journal on the page with the grape stains, above his note, there is 3 $10 bills...10 + 10 + 10=30

craig is 30 years old....ta-da, i just solved the mole!  :groan:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on July 09, 2008, 11:07:57 PM
ok, now i'm just gonna throw this out there, i think i might be way off, but whatever... :duno:

in the mole journal on the page with the grape stains, above his note, there is 3 $10 bills...10 + 10 + 10=30

craig is 30 years old....ta-da, i just solved the mole!  :groan:
I think that represented the 30G's that whatsherface blond chick took, the bribe.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: randallcornelius on July 10, 2008, 01:37:57 AM
ok, now i'm just gonna throw this out there, i think i might be way off, but whatever... :duno:

in the mole journal on the page with the grape stains, above his note, there is 3 $10 bills...10 + 10 + 10=30

craig is 30 years old....ta-da, i just solved the mole!  :groan:
I think that represented the 30G's that whatsherface blond chick took, the bribe.

yay, i'm an idiot! :jumpy: lol, this is why i should guess at the mole and hope i'm right rather than try and figuring out who it is.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: CJ22 on July 10, 2008, 03:38:55 PM
Just pointing out that they never show a result for Craig's quiz.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: CT on July 10, 2008, 04:41:18 PM
Just pointing out that they never show a result for Craig's quiz.

I believe they haven't shown Nicole the green screen yet either...
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: geosooner on July 10, 2008, 10:05:07 PM
Ok, better late than never, I just got done watching the most recent episode and I too took note of the graffiti all over the place. the white building said "JAMIE" on it. Do we think Jamie is someone's mom's name? that would go with that "find the mom" clue...

would the producers be that blatant about it?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 11, 2008, 04:24:06 AM
Mole Contestants with MySpace accounts.

Nicole - http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=376449196 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=376449196)
Craig - http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=1265536 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=1265536)
Paul - http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=5855116 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=5855116)

Not much here though. -Just bored.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: elTopo on July 11, 2008, 09:35:23 AM
Ok, better late than never, I just got done watching the most recent episode and I too took note of the graffiti all over the place. the white building said "JAMIE" on it. Do we think Jamie is someone's mom's name? that would go with that "find the mom" clue...

would the producers be that blatant about it?

good catch, i also noticed all the graffiti and think that could somehow be a clue perhaps.. however i think maybe that there was graffiti in general would be more of the clue not necessarily what the graffiti says.. Jamie (pronounced Hi-Me) is the spanish name for James and is pretty common. i just assumed thats what it meant and not our english name Jamie.. would the producers really be allowed to graffiti a kind of famous place for an american game show? well anyway it got there somehow i guess someone was allowed to do it, i dont think we should focus a lot on it though


another thing i recently noticed... on the first page of the forum puddin posted an article from TV Guide that had a picture of the 12 contestants and the first time i saw it i just scrolled over it but this time I actually read the descriptions and I actually found out a lot about the characters... not saying that any of these are clues necessarily, but just to help us know a little more about them. i've watched all the shows and i found out some stuff i never knew!

Liz: Feisty widowed grandmother
Alex: The rockstar still living with his folks
Marcie: Bilingual stay-at-home mom
Craig: The "jolly" disaster-relief volunteer
Nicole: The self-described "diva"
Paul: Verbose ex-playa from Noo Yawk
Kristen: The planet's ***iest neuroscientist
Ali: Religious ex-party girl with a thing for guns
Bobby: The strategist with a finely tuned gaydar
Clay: Obsessive-compulsive criminal-law attorney
Mark: Type-A-High School Teacher with a genius IQ
Victoria: Foul-Mouthed pageant queen

i didnt know alex lived with his parents, that marcie was bilingual, or that ali has a thing for guns, i'm not sure what exactly the comment about bobby's gaydar is implying.. is it saying that Clay is OCD or are they just "stereotyping" .. Mark has a genius IQ?!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 11, 2008, 10:05:29 PM
Ya know what would be a much easier way of prematurely revealing the mole? Simply going back and seeing how and how much each remaining person has lost for the jackpot. :alarm
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 11, 2008, 10:17:07 PM
But if IIRC, The Mole isn't necessarily the biggest jackpot loser though...that would be too much of a giveaway!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on July 12, 2008, 03:13:35 PM
true.. but if someone actually has banked more than they took away, that's almost certain they are not the mole, isn't it?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 12, 2008, 03:21:54 PM
:funny: Unless they are just a bad Mole? :funny:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 13, 2008, 12:48:15 AM
Did Mark carry a lot of gold bricks? Maybe he picked up a lot so he could drop more, therefore adding more to HIS pot?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on July 13, 2008, 03:10:01 PM
Does anyone know the mission names?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on July 13, 2008, 04:36:58 PM
Does anyone know the mission names?
wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mole_(2008_US_TV_Series)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 13, 2008, 04:49:30 PM
That link gives me this: :duno:

Quote
No article title matches
There is no page titled "The_Mole_(2008_US_TV_Series".


another site? All I can find is not for this current season... as in here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mole_%28TV_series%29
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on July 13, 2008, 05:44:50 PM
haha well just google the mole 5 wiki and you'll get the link
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on July 13, 2008, 11:44:17 PM
Thanx puddin.... I love saying that name by the way. Does any one think the mission names could be clues.... like the traveler mission points at craig because in his bio it say he travels extensively just like the selkirk clue was in Robinson Crusoe name?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on July 14, 2008, 12:02:10 AM
San Cristóbal (the moutain they climbed in race to the summit, aka St. Christopher) is the patron St. of Travelers.

The mission of Midas Rush the teams were broken up into the Selfless and the selfish (Selfless pointing at craig as he is the only truly giving one out of the whole cast.) Speaking to the mole's actual personality.

All for one..... One for all *again another personality clue about who the mole is.

Travelers..... *read my previous post

maybe im right lol? I dont feel any of these are stretches. but maybe im looking too much into this.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: p1a55b1idii on July 14, 2008, 05:31:38 AM
I think Craig remembered the name of the missions a little too well.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: elTopo on July 14, 2008, 03:51:56 PM
i'm hearing rumors that they might cancel the mole, even half way through the season!!! is this true?

www.savethemole.com
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 14, 2008, 05:46:30 PM
I think from what the producers are saying is that there may be NO more MOle AFTER this season... :'(

we started a thread about this over here:
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15751.0.html

:waves:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 14, 2008, 11:37:53 PM
During the wine mission, there was a crate behind the host. It was the only one with a number code. If my vision is correct, the code is: 3????

(I couldnt see the last four digits. Sorry) It could be 33638
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: willdog03 on July 14, 2008, 11:38:05 PM
     HUGE CLUES!!!

i am new to this but my suspicion is to craig because all of the friends he has had (bobby, liz, victoria) have been eleminated, why suspect ur friends/ coelition partner? Also on the gold rush challenge where they ran up the hill when craig was sick and had hypothermia usually on game shows they get sent home just in case. But! if craig is the mole u cant send the mole home, then the game is ruined, this is all just me thinking could be or not im not sure, i have seen evidence diisscused earlier that also leads me to beleive its craig! Also while going through the first parts of the intro on the flashing green screen i found a D.O.B. it is i think 9_5_1970/1978 not really sure, but the year is 2008 and craig is 30 years of age acording to the secound date, but i also found another D.O.B. that was talked about earlier its 12_5_1970 i could be wrong if i am some1 please tell me. One thing i found that i dont really know about is i saw a pop up on the intro also that say aunt is nicole an aunt also i found John Doe lol could be anyone, but still might be someone... The biggest clue i think is i read it on a website is on the robinson curosoe mission Robinson Curosoe's name is  Alexander Selkirk but if u wikipedia it u see another spelling is Sel"craig" omg right!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: eyal8r on July 15, 2008, 09:14:33 AM
Hey guys-
New here- but surprised that no one's mentioned this yet...  Did anyone notice that CLAY had the number '11' on his jersey in the soccer challenge???
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 15, 2008, 03:56:40 PM
I think that I have come upon the first real clue to the identity of The Mole; a clue planted by the producers within the scenes. 

Last night, as the players arrived at the "wine garden" the camera held on a closeup of one particular wine barrel.  On the barrow was the sign - while letters on black - which read:

N 2 O.

N2O is the chemical symbol for Nitrous Oxide, also known as "Laughing Gas", and is used as a mild form of anesthetic.

N20 is used for the Laparoscopic Management of the Persistent Adnexal Mass in PREGNANCY

Nicole is an OBGYN doctor who deals with Pregnacies!

Niclole is the Mole :yess:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on July 15, 2008, 05:08:58 PM
I know I'm going to sound like a broken record when I say this so apologizes in advance.  Guys, do you seriously think that some of these things that are being mentioned could be clues?  The ones that get to me the most are people who think that they're reusing clues.  For example, Anderson holding an apple in season 2 was a reference to Bill being from Washington.  Now I see people saying that they think John holding an apple in season 5 is a reference to Paul being from New York City.  Seriously?  They're going to use the same clue again?  The producers are smart.  They probably did that on purpose just to see if anyone would try to take that as a clue.  It's the same with the number 7 repeating during celebrity Mole.  Do you really think they're going to pick another number like 11 and repeat it?  I give the producers credit.  I sincerely doubt they'll use the same clues from past seasons in this season. 

I've said it before but I think people are grasping for clues.  So what if Craig remembers mission names well.  What does that mean?  He's got a good memory.  He takes notes.  He pays attention.  I don't think that means he has to be the mole because he was briefed on every mission and thus must know all of their names by heart.

Now the N 20 thing might actually be a clue.  I mean, the camera zeroed in on that and stayed there for a while.  What does the clue mean?  I don't know.  But I don't think it's laughing gas just because that's not all it said.  It said N 20 and below that it said HL 70.  I don't think only looking at one and not the other is smart.  What it means?  You've got me.  But if I were to take anything away from this episode as far as a clue goes it'd be that.

Again, sorry if I sound condescending.  That's not my intention.  I just want to help us all as a group.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 15, 2008, 05:16:20 PM
Im looking forward to seeing the revelation of the clues.

And what the hell is all of this about GRAPES! ??   :killme: :holdbreath:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 15, 2008, 07:02:54 PM
Text clue: X13421

This could be a guitar chord I found on GuitarWiki:
Bb minor 7
______
xo|||o
x|||o|
x|oo||
------
x13421


And it would again point to the person who got executed.... Alex the guitar player.

(I posted this on the EP6 discussion and figured I'd post it here too.)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Crash_hust on July 15, 2008, 08:32:08 PM
anyone else notice that craig is keeping up with how much money certain people are losing the group?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on July 15, 2008, 08:39:57 PM
Its alright night stalker, some people, myself included, like to ramble and throw ideas out there. now the grapes clue is the fruit that we should look at, obviously, as the clue of where the mole is from. California is the state where most grapes come from. They started at LOS ANGELES, chile i believe. another clue of california.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 15, 2008, 08:40:21 PM
I know I'm going to sound like a broken record when I say this so apologizes in advance.  Guys, do you seriously think that some of these things that are being mentioned could be clues?  The ones that get to me the most are people who think that they're reusing clues.  For example, Anderson holding an apple in season 2 was a reference to Bill being from Washington.  Now I see people saying that they think John holding an apple in season 5 is a reference to Paul being from New York City.  Seriously?  They're going to use the same clue again?  The producers are smart.  They probably did that on purpose just to see if anyone would try to take that as a clue.  It's the same with the number 7 repeating during celebrity Mole.  Do you really think they're going to pick another number like 11 and repeat it?  I give the producers credit.  I sincerely doubt they'll use the same clues from past seasons in this season. 



.

But Paul is from Yonkers, not New York City. So the apple wouldn't refer to him anyway since he is not from The Big Apple.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: randallcornelius on July 15, 2008, 08:48:01 PM
yeah, i definitely think that grapes is a recurring theme...

for the N 20 HL 70 sign on the wine barrel, i looked it up as 20% nitrogen and 70 % helium. Doing this gave me trimix, a breathing gas that allows you to breathe well underwater.  I read somewhere that craig has sleep apnea, meaning he needs a special machine at night to help him breathe while sleeping. However, this notes nothing about being underwater, i thought i should mention it.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 15, 2008, 09:13:57 PM
Now the N 20 thing might actually be a clue.  I mean, the camera zeroed in on that and stayed there for a while.  What does the clue mean?  I don't know.  But I don't think it's laughing gas just because that's not all it said.  It said N 20 and below that it said HL 70.  I don't think only looking at one and not the other is smart.  What it means?  You've got me.  But if I were to take anything away from this episode as far as a clue goes it'd be that.

Well, let's take a look at the episode shot:

(http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm372/Moleclueless/N20.jpg)

And an image I found online taken at the same vineyard (I blurred the subject's face to protect the identity of the innocent victim of this post :lol: ):

(http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm372/Moleclueless/IMG_2453_blurred.jpg)

Now what does everyone think? Did they change the labeling of the barrel for the show or was it just a random barrel for imagery-sake? Or did they get lucky and find a barrel with markings that worked as a clue? My guess is that this is a total non-clue, but along with everyone else you have to look at EVERYTHING just in case and hash it out. It's just part of the process of deduction and what makes this forum fun.

(P.S. From what little I know about all the wineries I've visited in my own home state *hic*, barrels are usually marked to identify the vineyard or origin, the date it was harvested and the strength of its contents - i.e. light toast, heavy toast, etc. HL could stand for "half-life," meaning the amount of years it would take for it to lose half its strength. I'm not entirely certain, but if so then in this case that barrel of wine from the show would take 70 years to lose half of its potency. Again, I'm no expert.)

:jam:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on July 15, 2008, 10:07:44 PM
But Paul is from Yonkers, not New York City. So the apple wouldn't refer to him anyway since he is not from The Big Apple.

Hey, I'm not saying it makes sense.  I'm just saying that I've seen many a people on many a forum try to link the apple to Paul.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 16, 2008, 07:04:45 PM
Paul's Occupation

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xzhuKx-PrO0 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xzhuKx-PrO0)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on July 17, 2008, 12:05:30 AM
um.......... is that what a "utility worker" does?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 17, 2008, 01:51:23 PM
Now the N 20 thing might actually be a clue.  I mean, the camera zeroed in on that and stayed there for a while.  What does the clue mean?  I don't know.  But I don't think it's laughing gas just because that's not all it said.  It said N 20 and below that it said HL 70.  I don't think only looking at one and not the other is smart.  What it means?  You've got me.  But if I were to take anything away from this episode as far as a clue goes it'd be that.

Well, let's take a look at the episode shot:

(http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm372/Moleclueless/N20.jpg)

And an image I found online taken at the same vineyard (I blurred the subject's face to protect the identity of the innocent victim of this post :lol: ):

(http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm372/Moleclueless/IMG_2453_blurred.jpg)

Now what does everyone think? Did they change the labeling of the barrel for the show or was it just a random barrel for imagery-sake? Or did they get lucky and find a barrel with markings that worked as a clue? My guess is that this is a total non-clue, but along with everyone else you have to look at EVERYTHING just in case and hash it out. It's just part of the process of deduction and what makes this forum fun.

(P.S. From what little I know about all the wineries I've visited in my own home state *hic*, barrels are usually marked to identify the vineyard or origin, the date it was harvested and the strength of its contents - i.e. light toast, heavy toast, etc. HL could stand for "half-life," meaning the amount of years it would take for it to lose half its strength. I'm not entirely certain, but if so then in this case that barrel of wine from the show would take 70 years to lose half of its potency. Again, I'm no expert.)

:jam:

The marking on the wine barrel may be just that.  But if it has no meaning for the race, why did the camera center on it for so long?  There was no reason even to center on that logo at all, so it must mean something. It is just like the clue for Bill in Mole 2, the camera centered on a picture of a Sailing boat over Bill's head at one of the last dinners.  So it very well could be that N2O does refer to Nitrous Oxide a gas used by doctors.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: randallcornelius on July 17, 2008, 07:42:51 PM
http://www.realitybbqforums.com/showthread.php?t=5012 (http://www.realitybbqforums.com/showthread.php?t=5012)

I actually like the idea of this a lot, and it makes complete sense to me...according to this, though, Mark and Craig (my top two choices  :yess:) will be in the final 3.  :tup:   

as to who the mole is...  :duno:



and I just searched around and decided to add this as well:

http://www.realitybbqforums.com/showthread.php?t=4829 (http://www.realitybbqforums.com/showthread.php?t=4829)



it also makes another good point with craig being the mole...i really don't know, but i still think craig or mark is the mole...
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on July 17, 2008, 08:22:53 PM
has anyone added these?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: randallcornelius on July 17, 2008, 08:37:47 PM
i just threw something together, lemme know what you guys think:

s666-LIAr

s666: replace 666(the mole) with clay, which gives you sclay.

LIAr: replace LIA with ITA, which gives you ITAr

sclay-ITAr

unscrambling sclayitar gives you rascality....i looked up rascal and a rascal is a dishonest person...just a thought...
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: randallcornelius on July 17, 2008, 08:45:23 PM
has anyone added these?

San Diego, California has a latitude 32 degrees 43' North and a longitude of 117 degrees 09' West...pretty close to what is mentioned in the journal...Craig is from there...



sorry, i can't seem to figure out how to quote the pics put up by puddin...
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Slowhatch on July 17, 2008, 08:47:37 PM
It's a spot in downtown L.A. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=34.05+N+118.25+W&ie=UTF8&ll=34.050199,-118.250037&spn=0.000627,0.001389&t=h&z=20); I don't get it.  :duno:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: randallcornelius on July 17, 2008, 08:51:06 PM
maybe it's just an indication that we had to look on a map to find the exact location......x MARKs the spot.... :funny:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on July 18, 2008, 12:46:48 AM
Once again  the moles journal entry can be linked to Paul. Think when Liz got executed there was a comment about her foot problems and overheating and then now with Alex's execution he makes a comment on the Mole hunting song  which to the best of my knowledge Paul is the only person who is present in that room when Alex sung that song.


If we examine the shadow closer however the person who jumped had a helmet with a microphone. the only people to have those Paul and Clay. 

This journal entry has me torn between the two as the mole, especially after my lengthy post about how Paul is the mole

Evidence that points to Paul- The letter addressed to Alex makes a nod to  "The Mole Hunting Song" . the only person present for that to the best of my knowledge is Paul.

The tasting notes note in the corner would indicate that the mole drank that night however clay could not because he lied and said he had cold medicine in order to get Alex to drink more. And if you didn’t notice Paul was spinning a glass of wine


Evidence that points to Clay- In the shadow if we examine even closer it looks as though that person is wearing pants. Clay was the only person wearing pants that challenge.

Paul will remain my number one suspect but Clay will be a close number 2. My theory is that Clay gets executed next week which would help a lot.

Currently my suspicion List is like this:

1 Paul
2 Clay
3 Nicole
4 Mark
5 Craig.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: eazeymac91 on July 18, 2008, 10:49:40 AM
I am going to disregard the shadow of the person because it could be the point of view of the mole and how could they take a picture of themselves
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on July 18, 2008, 03:22:50 PM
It's a spot in downtown L.A. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=34.05+N+118.25+W&ie=UTF8&ll=34.050199,-118.250037&spn=0.000627,0.001389&t=h&z=20); I don't get it.  :duno:

*ETA* I'm a ninny. i was comparing a DD co=ordinate (decimal degrees) to a DM coordinate (Degrees Minute).  which is like comparing green apples to red apples :)

34.05N 118.25W in DD  equals 34°03'N 118°15'W in DM

both of which point to the same location you mentioned.

oooooooooooo how's this for some juicy details!?!?!?!?!!

TWO blocks away from the co-ordinates, is where, back in the early 1900's (looks like it's gone now though), there used to be a street running next to the Northern Hotel called CLAY STREET!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 18, 2008, 04:04:34 PM
N2O definitely is a clue to who is the mole; no other reason to show it in closeup.  BUT it could have another meaning besides Nitrous Oxide gas -

N20 could mean November 20 which is Craig's birthdate. :yess:

Nicole or Craig? not bad choices :jumpy:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on July 18, 2008, 04:16:41 PM
couldn't it just be barrel Number 20 since the barrel next to it is N22?

also i hae been thinking all this time that HL stood for Hectolitres which is a quantity used in wine. Like the barrel capacity was 70 Hectolitres.

but now with the Henry Lagarde clue in the journal, i think HL just stands for Henry Lagarde.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molination on July 18, 2008, 04:17:01 PM
The clue "I lie with my eyes" might actually be in reference to the Mole's distinctive handwriting, which has lower-case i's...

So perhaps it's more "I lie with my i's"...

Maybe pay attention to the letters surrounding? Might be a long shot.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on July 18, 2008, 08:26:50 PM
Once again, I think people are WAAAAAY overthinking the new Mole Journal clues.  I saw one definite clue.  It says, "You can't be afraid of heights to be the Mole."  Who said they were afraid of heights?  Nicole and Craig.  Bam.  They're eliminated.  It's that simple.

Of course, I already had those two eliminated.  I'm still down to only Paul and Clay with Clay as my number one suspect.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 18, 2008, 10:49:32 PM

oooooooooooo how's this for some juicy details!?!?!?!?!!

TWO blocks away from the co-ordinates, is where, back in the early 1900's (looks like it's gone now though), there used to be a street running next to the Northern Hotel called CLAY STREET!!!!!!


Interesting Rabbit and nice work! My only hesitation is that Clay St. was 2 blocks away. Not saying you don't have something here. I'm the last person who has a clue!!

I do know that the location marker is feet away from the 4th Street Metrolink Red Line entrance/exit for the Pershing Square station. The long silvery object just to the north of Slowhatch's satellite photo link is the escalator/stairs. I used to ride that train to work from Union Station and that was my exit.

Maybe someone can pick something out of this stuff. In the very nearby vicinity is of course Pershing Square, Angel's Flight (funicular railway I also used to ride for .25 cents), Bunker Hill, La Cita (Mexican nightclub and first bldg. to the north of the location), Grand Central Market (next building north of La Cita - a hodgepodge of fresh produce and prepared food vendors), and Angels Knoll Park. There is also the Metro 417 lofts right across the street - http://metro417.com/templates/template_metro417/histTermBldg.asp?w=metro417. This site has a lot of these places listed with information: http://www.lacity.org/ANGELSWALK/  Everything can be Googled too of course.

I've pondered before about the significance of "trains" in the show and as clues. Dunno if train stations just happened to be a convenient place for executions, but it was certainly a recurring theme. Maybe there's something here with that. Angel's Flight, the Metro, and Metro 417. I just can't nail anything concrete. s666 - LIAr read backwards as "rail - marks" for me, but who the heck knows....

Maybe I'll hop on over to the actual location tomorrow and meander about with my camera....  :js:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 18, 2008, 11:03:17 PM
couldn't it just be barrel Number 20 since the barrel next to it is N22?

also i hae been thinking all this time that HL stood for Hectolitres which is a quantity used in wine. Like the barrel capacity was 70 Hectolitres.

but now with the Henry Lagarde clue in the journal, i think HL just stands for Henry Lagarde.

HL = Henry Lagarde. Sweet! I didn't even think about the vineyard's initials! I do believe you debunked this once and for all. No offense to any others who think otherwise of course. Just my opinion!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: multi007 on July 19, 2008, 11:45:41 AM
It's a spot in downtown L.A. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=34.05+N+118.25+W&ie=UTF8&ll=34.050199,-118.250037&spn=0.000627,0.001389&t=h&z=20); I don't get it.  :duno:

Dont forget that google map has a "Street level view".   I clicked it and could not make anything out. But  if anyone else sees something...
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: multi007 on July 19, 2008, 11:50:38 AM
That darn "baby cry" is getting on my nerves.  I heard it again during the "mole recap" show and its just getting on my nerves because it is so out of place.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on July 19, 2008, 02:53:57 PM
Once again, I think people are WAAAAAY overthinking the new Mole Journal clues.  I saw one definite clue.  It says, "You can't be afraid of heights to be the Mole."  Who said they were afraid of heights?  Nicole and Craig.  Bam.  They're eliminated.  It's that simple.

Of course, I already had those two eliminated.  I'm still down to only Paul and Clay with Clay as my number one suspect.


I think you arent examining things enough =) and if you were in the actual game you would get executed.

Now having said that, I have more "Paul proof"


In the recap episode which can be viewed here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-U3n2o__GU

if you notice  when john kelley is talking in the begining everytime it stops its focused on clips of Paul

@ 00:16 after John says "To Discover the identity of The Mole


@ 00:21-00:25  John is saying "The mole is a sabetour among them"
Theres the clip of Paul jumping and missing thae bag on the Over the Falls mission

@00:28 John sayys hired to undermine the groups effort to add money to the pot and not be detected.
a quick clip of Paul is shown at the begining of that statement  and when John says not be detected. its a clip of paul in fruit of the Luge which was a mission he was succesful in. This could be a nod to him not sabotaging the mission the not gain suspicion.

@00:52 john says" with new clues offering a "MASTER BLUEPRINT" to the identity of the mole.
Paul is a utitility worker and as such he works with blueprints.

@02:21 John says watch carefully and coincidentally the camera is on paul looking away with a suspicious look on his face.

Thats my two cents on the recap intro but can anyone decipher what it might mean in the logo for that episode. Its the standard logo but it says "take a closer look" below it. any ideas?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on July 19, 2008, 10:25:34 PM

A couple things I want to mention followed by a pretty big clue that I haven't seen mentioned around here yet.

First, notice the vase in the cabinet behind Craig that is shaped like a big "C".  Coincidence or subtle clue?  Would seem VERY coincidental to me.


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/conf-ep6-mendoza.jpg)


One other thing anf then the big one.  lol  Craig has started a website at

http://craigslike.com/


If you look on that site you will see a link for something he is starting called SlikeNation.


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/SlikeNation2.jpg)


This is apparently going to be a fanclub of sorts.  It also doesn't seem like something a person would do that finished third or fourth.  it also doesn't seem like something one would do even if they won the game.  Craig has seen the previous shows and I'm sure he knows just like we do that the winner quickly fades into the background.  I'm sure he also knows the mole lives on forever (to mole fans anyway lol) and slikenation seems like something a mole would do in an effort to try and capitalize on his popularity from the show.  I could be wrong but that's the way it seems.

Ok, I haven't seen this mentioned here so bringing it over so you all can decide for yourselves.

The clue card for episode 6.

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/episode6.jpg)


At about the same time on the ABC board, 2 guys made the same post containing a shot from Marks journal.  So thanks to fallingatlas and tcntk for this.

 (http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/Marksjournal.jpg)


You can see from this that Mark was meticulously keeping track of possible sabotage chances regarding each player.  Up to that point in the show there had been 10 missions, and he recorded his thoughts of each player using a "1" if he thought they did something that could be considered sabotage, "0" if he thought they didn't, and a "?" if he wasn't sure.

You can see the players names at the left side of each line, and they are listed alphabetically.  The totals from the 10 missions is listed in parenthases at the right side of each line.

Al = Alex  (3-3-4)
Cl = Clay  (6-3-1)
Cr = Craig (4-2-4)
Kr = Kristen  gone
Ni = Nicole (2-4-4)
Paul = Paul (2-4-4)

Kristen was executed the week before so he has a line drawn through her name.  Now notice the lines drawn through the sets of numbers on the clue card.  Also notice that those sets of numbers match the totals behind the players names in Marks journal.  (3-3-4) is Alex, (6-3-1) is Clay, etc.  Being Marks journal, then of course there is no line for him.  Even HE isn't paronoid enough to keep track of himself.  lol 

Since the numbers have a line through them, each set on the clue card would seem to eliminate the corresponding player in the journal.  (2-4-4) is the same for 2 players so they would both be eliminated.

There are several theories being put forth as to what this means but I am only going to mention one of them since the others all neglect one additional bit of information.

The clue cards point to the mole, and this particular clue card seems to eliminate all the players except for one.  Craigs totals are (4-2-4) and not represented in the clue so he is the only player left.  Some people want to include Mark since they claim nothing here eliminates him.  That would be because it is his journal we are seeing, but ok, lets leave him in.  We now have Craig and Mark.

Here is the extra bit of information, courtesy of screerider from the sucks board.  Remember Craigs set of numbers is (4-2-4), and then think about the opening credits from every episode this season.


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/424.jpg)


This would seem to be a direct link to Craig and implicate him as the mole.  To me, we have finally got the smoking gun that we have been looking for.


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/smokinggun.jpg)


Personally, I put this on the same level as the "Bill is the mole" telegram from season 2.



Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on July 19, 2008, 10:36:53 PM
i must say you certianly have found some good craig proof to counter my Paul proof.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 20, 2008, 12:23:31 AM
Great analysis and detective work knuckles!

I have a bit of hesitation buying into it entirely though. I'm thinking there are four other options:

1) The clue card was telling us one of those three numbers was to be executed and it was up to us to figure out which one.
2) 2-4-4 is on the clue card only once. There are two sets in Mark's journal. If this points to the next three executions then Nicole or Paul goes, not both.
3) Mark is the Mole because he wrote down those numbers in his journal and he will take those people out one by one.
4) Red Herring

Slikenation is interesting. Paul has also been promoting The Mole on MySpace like there was no tomorrow. We have some egos here don't we?  :lol:

The screen shot works, but I'm also remembering how everyone bought into Victoria because of the "VJG is the Mole" thingy. The vase isn't so clear for me. The shelving or something else just happens to be obstructing the image and forming a C out of an O. Just my opinion! I'm not saying I'm right.

What I DO find interesting is that Mark's journal is the only one we've ever gotten to look into besides Alex's. The first eppy gave us a look at it while they were in the cabin after the Over the Falls challenge. What that might imply, I dunno, but it seems like there's something to be had from it. And why on earth would he be writing his own name in it?

(http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm372/Moleclueless/markjournal.jpg)

All I know is he has boney fingers and what looks like a healed injury on his right hand ring finger :funny:

Anyway, I hope you're spot on 'cuz I'd like to see someone brag when this is all over that they got it right! I'm still sold on Paul though. For now. That might change come Monday!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 20, 2008, 03:40:45 AM
OK!!!! I REALLY! SERIOUSLY! Think that the number on the crate behind Jon was a clue! It was only on one crate, the camera angle was in the perfect position for the crate! Just see it! I cant because my screen is too blurry. It is during Jon is explaining the wine bottle mission. The camera glides behind him. :pull
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jojonj on July 20, 2008, 10:04:23 AM
Wow there are a lot of good detective work going on...As for the occupations of the cast, I still think the mole doesn't have a REAL bio, but that is my opinion..I am sticking with Clay being the mole and until he is executed I will believe it, maybe even after he is executed..LOL...I also did a search on him and the only clay cauley is a clay nathaniel cauley sr....maybe he is a sr. but I don't see it...I think his is bogus and that the clues are going to be simple things that people may just overlook, ie: the picture of the pigs in the journal, which are made of...wait for it...CLAY..LOL
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jojonj on July 20, 2008, 10:46:56 AM
Another thing I was just noticing...I was looking at the numbers in Marks journal, and what I got from the, which again is only my opinion, but I think the numbers may be his hunches on the mole...Kristen's first number was a 1....now nicole and paul's both start with the number 2, so maybe they are next on his suspect list...now the number one is crossed out...just something that caught my eye..any thoughts?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 20, 2008, 11:18:53 AM
Wow there are a lot of good detective work going on...As for the occupations of the cast, I still think the mole doesn't have a REAL bio, but that is my opinion..I am sticking with Clay being the mole and until he is executed I will believe it, maybe even after he is executed..LOL...I also did a search on him and the only clay cauley is a clay nathaniel cauley sr....maybe he is a sr. but I don't see it...I think his is bogus and that the clues are going to be simple things that people may just overlook, ie: the picture of the pigs in the journal, which are made of...wait for it...CLAY..LOL

Look here: http://poweredby.era.com/cgi-bin/agentinfo?Agent=143975
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jojonj on July 20, 2008, 11:34:50 AM
Thanks Molecule...guess I am not a great searcher..LOL...but I still say he IS the mole :)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 20, 2008, 04:19:35 PM
OK!!!! I REALLY! SERIOUSLY! Think that the number on the crate behind Jon was a clue! It was only on one crate, the camera angle was in the perfect position for the crate! Just see it! I cant because my screen is too blurry. It is during Jon is explaining the wine bottle mission. The camera glides behind him. :pull

In all previous episodes and editions of the Mole, clues to the identity of the mole were included in at least four or more eps.  The producers have said that they have included clues during the program and the audience should try to find them.   Stuff added and included in the blogs, websites, mole pages, etc. did not lead to the mole; to some of the eliminations, yes, but not to the mole.

Clues to the mole are quietly added to the scenes or are represented by actual things seen in the program: i.e. Andersons apple, sailing ship picture on the wall, etc.

Thus, for no other reason than that it may be a clue, did the camera center on a closeup of a particular label on the wine barrel.  Yes, it is an actual, real life, wine barrel label.  BUT just may be a clue to the mole. Which we have indicated could be that of a gas used by doctors in surgery (Nicole) or a date of November 20 (Craig)

So I am sure that this is one of the intended clues added by the producers to ep 6.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Belle Book on July 20, 2008, 05:47:57 PM
Although I like looking at the clue analysis bits and pieces, I'm not a hidden clues expert, so I usually don't watch the shows like a hawk to figure out who's the Mole from the "hidden clues".

Right now, the N20 is probably a hidden clue.  But who does it refer to?  If it refers to a date, then it's probably Craig.  But if it's laughing gas, it refers to Nicole.  Craig is my top suspect, but Nicole and Clay are also up there (though Clay is less suspicious because of that hidden clue bit).  Anyway, I'm looking forward to the finale so I can finally see who the Mole is!

Belle Book
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: eazeymac91 on July 20, 2008, 11:11:48 PM
Does any OBGYN use laughing gas.....I dont think so. Craigs is more reasonable
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 21, 2008, 03:28:16 AM
I have two things to say.

#1) Did anyone at least SEE the number on the crate?

#2) There was someone talking about a baby crying, and they couldn't figure out what it meant. Nicole-OBGYN?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 21, 2008, 12:19:52 PM
I have two things to say.

#1) Did anyone at least SEE the number on the crate?

#2) There was someone talking about a baby crying, and they couldn't figure out what it meant. Nicole-OBGYN?

This is the best I could do:

(http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm372/Moleclueless/crate.jpg)

(http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm372/Moleclueless/crate2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 21, 2008, 12:40:41 PM
In all previous episodes and editions of the Mole, clues to the identity of the mole were included in at least four or more eps.  The producers have said that they have included clues during the program and the audience should try to find them.   Stuff added and included in the blogs, websites, mole pages, etc. did not lead to the mole; to some of the eliminations, yes, but not to the mole.

Clues to the mole are quietly added to the scenes or are represented by actual things seen in the program: i.e. Andersons apple, sailing ship picture on the wall, etc.

Thus, for no other reason than that it may be a clue, did the camera center on a closeup of a particular label on the wine barrel.  Yes, it is an actual, real life, wine barrel label.  BUT just may be a clue to the mole. Which we have indicated could be that of a gas used by doctors in surgery (Nicole) or a date of November 20 (Craig)

So I am sure that this is one of the intended clues added by the producers to ep 6.

Thanks gingerman for this good input. I've never seen any of the previous shows so this helps to understand the method behind their madness.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 21, 2008, 01:01:00 PM
Thanks Molecule...guess I am not a great searcher..LOL...but I still say he IS the mole :)

Clay was my second and then first pick after the first few episodes. I wouldn't be too surprised because he generally flies way under the radar. That changed when he turned Lemonhead into a missile.

I wonder if looking at coalitions would hold any merit. Of the 5 left remaining, I think Clay, Mark and Paul are the only ones that have formed any? Both of Paul's partners are gone. Of Mark and Bobby, the latter is gone. That might put suspicion on them or eliminate them altogether. What a mind bender this is...  :groan:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jojonj on July 21, 2008, 02:44:58 PM
It really is bind bending....I know when it is all over I am going to be like..DUH, those clues were so easy..LOL..it is always the ones we either miss or just don't catch. LOL  :pull
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on July 21, 2008, 03:34:05 PM

(Heavy sighhhh)     :groan:

You guys are a tough sell, so how about this.  lol



(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/Jaime.jpg)


Jaime is a variant of James and means "supplanter".  Supplant means:  to supersede (another) especially by force or treachery.

Treachery, much like a mole would do.  In Spanish, Jaime and James are both variants of the name Diego.  As in San Diego where Craig is from.


In episode 3 the clue card was:   s666 - LIAr

Starting at the "s", count 6 spaces and you are on the "y".  Count 6 more spaces and you are on the "e".  Count 6 more spaces and you are on the "k".

Now we have:  syek - LIAr

Using an online translator and going from English to Spanish, LIA means "plaited esparto rope".

For the second half of the clue, assign the number which corresponds to the position in the alphabet for LIA.   L = 12,  I = 9,  A = 1.

In the first half we left off on the "k", so start there and go in the opposite direction.    Go 12 spaces to the left of "k" and we stop on "y".  Now go 9 spaces to the left and we stop on "p".  Now go 1 space to the left and we are on "o".

That makes the clue look like this:   syek - ypor.  Backwards that would be ropy keys.

Either that is as close as they could get to rope keys using LIA in the clue or perhaps that is the way they say it in South America.  lol  In any event, using the translation for LIA, this solution seems a little too close to just be a coincidence.  Now, who had a rope key (or ropy key) in episode 3?  And who found the players clothes at a laundromat which just happened to be next door to a key shop?


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/keynecklace.jpg)




(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/locksmith.jpg)




One last thing.  I have been waiting each week for this theory to get debunked but so far it hasn't, so I will share it with you.

In episode 5, the clue card was:


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/ep5clue.jpg)



In that same episode, question 8 on the quiz was as follows:


8. At breakfast before the "Travelers" mission, where was the mole sitting? (clockwise from Jon)


Since the 6 was missing in the clue, you just count around 6 spaces and it ends up on Craig. Assigning the numbers in the clue to the other players in the order they were given looks like this.


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/breakfast.jpg)




I started wondering why the numbers in the clue were in the order they were, and thought that perhaps there was some additional meaning to it.

Since Kristen left that week I started thinking that maybe it was the execution order of the remaining players since she was number 7. The mole cannot be executed so you discard the number 6 and move on. Alex left last week but I still thought maybe that was just coincidence. But with this weeks text clue seeming to point to Nicole (who would be next in the above order) it looks like there is a chance this theory could hold up for one more week.

I am still expecting this to be disproven at any time but until that happens I think I'm gonna run with it.  Until then, things don't look so good for Dr. Whiner.

Therefore, the remaining execution order is:

Nicole
Mark
Paul - runner up
Clay - winner
Craig - Mole






Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 21, 2008, 04:33:09 PM
Does any OBGYN use laughing gas.....I dont think so. Craigs is more reasonable

N 2 O.

N2O is the chemical symbol for Nitrous Oxide, also known as "Laughing Gas", and is used as a mild form of anesthetic.

N20 is used for the Laparoscopic Management of the Persistent Adnexal Mass in PREGNANCY

To repeat the clues to who is the mole are included within the on-air programs.  During the final program these clues are pointed out.  They never refer to any clues or hints or suggestions that are not included in the on-air program.  So actual clues are not mentioned or hidden in the website, blogs, etc. since the announcer never refers to them on the air.





Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on July 21, 2008, 08:22:49 PM

In episode 5, the clue card was:


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/ep5clue.jpg)



In that same episode, question 8 on the quiz was as follows:


8. At breakfast before the "Travelers" mission, where was the mole sitting? (clockwise from Jon)


Since the 6 was missing in the clue, you just count around 6 spaces and it ends up on Craig. Assigning the numbers in the clue to the other players in the order they were given looks like this.


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/breakfast.jpg)




I started wondering why the numbers in the clue were in the order they were, and thought that perhaps there was some additional meaning to it.

Since Kristen left that week I started thinking that maybe it was the execution order of the remaining players since she was number 7. The mole cannot be executed so you discard the number 6 and move on. Alex left last week but I still thought maybe that was just coincidence. But with this weeks text clue seeming to point to Nicole (who would be next in the above order) it looks like there is a chance this theory could hold up for one more week.

I am still expecting this to be disproven at any time but until that happens I think I'm gonna run with it.  Until then, things don't look so good for Dr. Whiner.

Therefore, the remaining execution order is:

Nicole
Mark
Paul - runner up
Clay - winner
Craig - Mole



My theory on the missing six relates to paul. if im correct that was the epsiode with the Chains  and standing from the perspective of John Paul was number 6. It Also doesnt help that he said during that mission "This is the first and the last time you can trust me in this game"


On a seperate note who does everyone see going home tonight ? At this point anyone who goes is crucial because there is so much suspicion around them. Personally i hope its Mark or Craig so that the next few rounds can be easier.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 21, 2008, 10:08:41 PM
So...ALL the clues point to Craig? That would be kind of boring if Craig was the mole because he is someone you'd expect to be the mole. I still have my chips on Mark, but theres pretty good evidence for Craig.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: V.L. on July 21, 2008, 10:15:09 PM
Okay, I know most people are saying it's Craig. And I know this isn't new information... But I think Nicole's little stunt tonight about throwing the Quiz seemed a little odd, and quite Moleish. I guarantee she was telling everyone before the quiz that she was planning on throwing in the towel, just so it would be this gigantic shock when she didn't.

I still say she's the Mole.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on July 21, 2008, 11:32:38 PM
Okay, I know most people are saying it's Craig. And I know this isn't new information... But I think Nicole's little stunt tonight about throwing the Quiz seemed a little odd, and quite Moleish. I guarantee she was telling everyone before the quiz that she was planning on throwing in the towel, just so it would be this gigantic shock when she didn't.

I still say she's the Mole.

Havent seen tonights Ep yet, was seeing The Dark Knight.

But, I have had my finger on Nicole since about Ep 3
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mintobrandybuck on July 22, 2008, 01:12:56 AM
Hey, everyone! I'm back!

Eh, I figure 'quiting' would be just the kind of overdramatic thing Nicole would do. In fact, this kind of drama is almost expected of her by now. But I'm sure we all know that she is much too proud to quit under any circumstance. In any case, why would the mole consider even saying he/she is going to quit?

a) They can't go through with it anyways, so there is no point.
b) 'Considering' flunking the quiz and then not doing it just seems. . . well, suspicious.

Oh, and personally I think Nicole was telling the truth when she said, "When I sat down at the computer, I knew I couldn't do it." I say this because the result was a tie, and Clay got eliminated.

Now, if you're planning on purposely failing, all you would have to do is enter yourself as the mole in every question of the quiz, which is guaranteed to give you a zero. However there was a tie, which indicates that if Nicole had indeed flunked the test with a 0/10, someone else must have too. It is virtually impossible to get every question wrong by accident, considering many of the questions from this particular quiz had some very one-sided questions (Is the mole Male/Female- There is only one female. Did the mole wear a hat?- Only one person was wearing a hat, etc).

This indicates that in order for there to have been a tie, someone else (namely Clay), must have flunked the test on purpose. And. . . there is no evidence to support that he did. 

One last point I think has to be made, these producers are clever. And sneaky. If you go back to previous season's clues, you find that all of them are obvious, but subtle (The apple, the boat painting- they're meanings are obvious now, but then they were easy to overlook). So I think way too much effort is being put into a lot of these analyses.

But don't let that stop any of you. There are a lot of very interesting theories floating around; I'm actually doubting my assumptions that it is Mark.

But not quite.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 22, 2008, 11:56:41 AM
Hey, everyone! I'm back!

Eh, I figure 'quiting' would be just the kind of overdramatic thing Nicole would do. In fact, this kind of drama is almost expected of her by now. But I'm sure we all know that she is much too proud to quit under any circumstance. In any case, why would the mole consider even saying he/she is going to quit?

a) They can't go through with it anyways, so there is no point.
b) 'Considering' flunking the quiz and then not doing it just seems. . . well, suspicious.

Oh, and personally I think Nicole was telling the truth when she said, "When I sat down at the computer, I knew I couldn't do it." I say this because the result was a tie, and Clay got eliminated.

Now, if you're planning on purposely failing, all you would have to do is enter yourself as the mole in every question of the quiz, which is guaranteed to give you a zero. However there was a tie, which indicates that if Nicole had indeed flunked the test with a 0/10, someone else must have too. It is virtually impossible to get every question wrong by accident, considering many of the questions from this particular quiz had some very one-sided questions (Is the mole Male/Female- There is only one female. Did the mole wear a hat?- Only one person was wearing a hat, etc).

This indicates that in order for there to have been a tie, someone else (namely Clay), must have flunked the test on purpose. And. . . there is no evidence to support that he did. 

One last point I think has to be made, these producers are clever. And sneaky. If you go back to previous season's clues, you find that all of them are obvious, but subtle (The apple, the boat painting- they're meanings are obvious now, but then they were easy to overlook). So I think way too much effort is being put into a lot of these analyses.

But don't let that stop any of you. There are a lot of very interesting theories floating around; I'm actually doubting my assumptions that it is Mark.

But not quite.

If Mark is the mole why would he do so much during the vineyard visit in ep 6 to keep running like mad on the treadmill so that the runners had time to return with the wine bottles?  And why would he help the puzzle solvers so much to get the right answers?  In both instances he could have done a lot to prevent the team from winning the 70,000?  Just goes to show he ain't the mole.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molehunter on July 22, 2008, 12:07:45 PM
I definitely think Craig is the mole & Mark is NOT the mole.

I have a question though, I read through the pages, well read the first five or so & skimmed the rest, there are alot.

was there ever any discussion about the numbers that appear on The Mole thing when it goes to a commercial? the letters seem to always be different, but if you go frame by frame you see the numbers are always [the ones I've looked at, at least] are:

4 2 4       2 4

a clue maybe?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on July 22, 2008, 03:25:39 PM
In episode 3 the clue card was:   s666 - LIAr

Starting at the "s", count 6 spaces and you are on the "y".  Count 6 more spaces and you are on the "e".  Count 6 more spaces and you are on the "k".

Now we have:  syek - LIAr

Using an online translator and going from English to Spanish, LIA means "plaited esparto rope".

For the second half of the clue, assign the number which corresponds to the position in the alphabet for LIA.   L = 12,  I = 9,  A = 1.

In the first half we left off on the "k", so start there and go in the opposite direction.    Go 12 spaces to the left of "k" and we stop on "y".  Now go 9 spaces to the left and we stop on "p".  Now go 1 space to the left and we are on "o".

That makes the clue look like this:   syek - ypor.  Backwards that would be ropy keys.

Either that is as close as they could get to rope keys using LIA in the clue or perhaps that is the way they say it in South America.  lol  In any event, using the translation for LIA, this solution seems a little too close to just be a coincidence.  Now, who had a rope key (or ropy key) in episode 3?  And who found the players clothes at a laundromat which just happened to be next door to a key shop?


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/keynecklace.jpg)

No offense but THIS is what I'm talking about when I say that some people are thinking about this waaaaaaaaaaay too much.  Name one clue on one season of The Mole where a clue has involved this much examination?  Counting spaces, replacing letters, come on.  Take a step back and consider how ridiculous it is.  With enough guessing and moving things around a person can virtually make any clue point to any person if they try that hard and are that determined to make a clue point to the person that they want. 
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on July 22, 2008, 03:29:32 PM
One last point I think has to be made, these producers are clever. And sneaky. If you go back to previous season's clues, you find that all of them are obvious, but subtle (The apple, the boat painting- they're meanings are obvious now, but then they were easy to overlook). So I think way too much effort is being put into a lot of these analyses.

But don't let that stop any of you. There are a lot of very interesting theories floating around; I'm actually doubting my assumptions that it is Mark.

But not quite.

Thank you.  I don't agree that Mark is the mole but I do agree with your general line of thinking.  Finally some sense.

You said it perfectly.  The clues are obvious but subtle.  The overthinking that is going on is doing my head in.  Honestly?  That's why I'm sticking to the clues that the mole's journal on the ABC website gives out because they are the most obvious.  Every clue points to either Paul or Clay.  My money was on Clay but obviously that's out the window now.  Paul is the mole now in my book.  If I'm right I have to congratulate the man.  He is so brazen.  It's the perfect cover up but one that I don't think I could do in the game. 
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jerameez on July 22, 2008, 04:33:36 PM
First post, but have been reading all season!

Did anyone else notice the "23" flashed right before Nicole and her mom were talking in the hotel room. Most of us know that the most famous athlete to wear number 23 was from Chicago (Michael Jordan). Can our Mole be from Chicago as well (Nicole)?

Thanks eveyone!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on July 22, 2008, 05:43:00 PM
Can  we discuss episode 6 and 7's clue crds from ABC.com everyone. I think were missing somethiong very important because in the top right corners of those clue cards are a clock and and day counter.

any thoughts?
(could someone post the cards btw?)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 22, 2008, 06:01:10 PM
But what has Craig done to lose money?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 22, 2008, 06:06:30 PM
On the crate, it looks like 611826. I was way off. But, Im not sure if the 11 is really 11. What does everyone else think?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 22, 2008, 06:12:19 PM
Maybe Mark is playing the role of 'Scarlet Pimpernel.' He obsesses over finding the mole to avoid being accused of being the mole.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: olivesandhummus on July 22, 2008, 07:32:04 PM
It doesn't make a lot of sense to determine who the Mole is based on how much money they added/didn't add to the pot, or how they behaved in certain challenges. Remember that the producers edit the show and leave LOTS of information out, basically all the things that would make the mole obvious. In the end they show 'extra footage' that, if shown during the season, everyone would figure it out in a snap. So Mark can't be discounted for running on the treadmill so long, or Nicole for talking about self-execution, etc etc etc. We only get to see what the producers want us to see.

And on that note, referring to the above post on the number 23 that flashed, I also saw that, and think it was very obviously planted there because it wasn't on a building, paper, wall, etc. - it was edited into the show as a special effect, which was very bizarre. I was hoping to see if anyone had come across this number in their number crunching.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on July 22, 2008, 08:32:00 PM
But what has Craig done to lose money?

The entire thing with the trek up the mountain with all the stupid travel methods was completely under Craigs control, and they added nothing to the pot, AND craig got an exemption.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 22, 2008, 09:23:42 PM
Information I have
______________________________________

Here's what each player's name means

Nicole - Victorious Person
Paul - Small
Craig - Rock
Mark - consecrated to the god Mars, or defender
_______________________________________

"Mole Day" is October 23rd
______________________________________

"Mole Sauce" is made from Avocado (I think)
______________________________________

The "Molemen" are a hip-hop group from Chicago.
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The "23" on the hotel door with a peephole so oddly placed diagonally to it. This would read: "23 degrees." The Earth's axis is on 23 degrees. The moon is what holds the Earth on 23 degrees. Without the moon holding the Earth on that degree, all complex life on Earth would die. Is there someone who resembles the moon? There is also a sporting group called 23 degrees.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Cincy-David on July 22, 2008, 11:15:28 PM
Hi Everyone

I am a first time poster.  I really beleive that Craig is the Mole and here are all my reasons why.  Some of these are collected from prior posters here, I just happen to agree and combined them all together.  For me the most damming is the 495 Widget clue from last night, at the end of my list.

Here is a recap of my major clues that point to Craig

In episode 1 The #11 journal is spotlighted. The 11th person in the introductions was Craig.

There was a mobile clue of NIC @ IT translated to NICATIT. "TITANIC"? maybe??? On the boat to the scavenger game Craig is standing in front with his arms out like in the movie

Then in episode 3 it was Craig who suggested Bobby ride in the wheelbarrow. What better way for a mole to slow down his team and yet it all falls on Bobby's shoulders for being a whimp.

In the episode with the Nic@It clue, they referred to the dinner as the Last dinner. Connect Leonardo DaVinci to Leonardo Di Caprio from Titanic and it still points to Titanic and Craig.

JAIME on the side of a building:

Jaime is a variant of James and means "supplanter". Supplant means: to supersede (another) especially by force or treachery. Treachery, much like a mole would do. In Spanish, Jaime and James are both variants of the name Diego. As in San Diego where Craig is from.


On the waterfall challenge: Is when Craig says "dude, one thing at a time who cares if we're staying here or not we're jumping over a frickin waterfall, god! ********WHO CARES WHERE YOU'RE SLEEPING****************" Why would he mention where they were sleeping BEFORE Jon Kelley told them that Marcie had to choose where they slept?

During the scavenger hunt game, the host mentioned that Robinson Crusoe was based on Alexander Selkirk. If you google that name you will find that his name at birth was Alexander Selcraig. Pretty big coincidence there.

Episode one internet clue: E_E_E_
After going over the waterfall Craig said: "the rope just goes taut and chokes me like a hanged man. E_E_E_ = hangman

Craig has been constantly wearing his glasses, but he did not have them when they arrived for the pig challenge and did not have them the entire time. He did have them back on later though. Maybe they are just clear lenses and doesn't really need them? This could be lying with his eyes (another internet clue).

The text clue of "heart" is mentioned in Craig's bio on the website. It says, "He is a lovable prankster with a big heart, and his magnetic personality has gotten him through life."

There might be another clue that points to Craig. In the first episode intro Craig is the only one without any type of graphics(the circly things) next to his name or hometown. The text doesn't change either. Plus he's a graphic artist. That might be something that's not so obvious so maybe that's a clue. In all subsequnet episodes, it is back to normal.

On the Laundry challenge I also picked up on something that I thought might have been a clue. Craig was wearing a skeleton key around his neck at the spa. The lockers had combinations and I'm sure the hotel doesn't use skeleton keys. When he "discovered" the Dry Cleaners it was right next door to a Locksmith

HEre is a photo from Episode Two. The picture clearly says MOLE and the number above the calculator is the year Craig is born.


Someone said the Mole's color is red. Is this true? I don't know being that this is the first time I've watched the show. Craig is always wearing red, from his tennies, to his tie, to the upcoming episode and the ski beanie. Wouldn't that be a little too obvious if the other players know this tidbit?

Episode 2 Text Clue: cf(11)8 = See if 11 ate.
Craig didn't eat due to being sick... and he is linked to "11"

Another Text Clue
just thinking that if you still use the numerical value then:

2 3 4
7 1 5

23-15 = 8
7 - 4 = 3

8 + 3 = 11 11+ Craig

Handwriting - In the Moles Journal, all of the handwriting uses a goofy little apostrophe mark that looks suspiciously like the number 11. Craig is journal 11 and one of the original journals that still exist.just thinking that if you still use the numerical value then:

In the first journal entry the passport in the upper left has many entries of travel... the only person that would need to travel that much is someone like Craig...... in his bio on ABC.com reads "Craig has traveled extensively and worked as a humanitarian disaster relief aide worker in Turkey and Thailand."

in the mole journal on the page with the grape stains, above his note, there is 3 $10 bills...10 + 10 + 10=30
craig is 30 years old

Have you noticed that they never show a result for Craig's quiz.

From Episode 5 This N20 couls stnad for November 20, which is Craigs Birthday


And of course, my most recent discovery. Last nights Widget clue was simply the number 495. If you take the first five numbers that Clay and Nicole entered into the computer on the counting mission, they come to 495. However, iit was Craing who came up with these numbers, Nicole had originally entered some other number and Craign had to correct her. This directly points to Craig.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on July 22, 2008, 11:39:52 PM
Wow!!!! Thanx for ripping all of us off Cincy_David. Your real smart
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on July 22, 2008, 11:47:14 PM
Inserts foot in mouth******    :hearts: Peace love and welcome cincy-David.... its always good to read the beginning before jumping to the end haha Sorry. I just saw one of the clues i picked up and thought the worst!!! I am so sorry and honored that you agree with one of my clues.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 22, 2008, 11:55:22 PM
And of course, my most recent discovery. Last nights Widget clue was simply the number 495. If you take the first five numbers that Clay and Nicole entered into the computer on the counting mission, they come to 495. However, iit was Craing who came up with these numbers, Nicole had originally entered some other number and Craign had to correct her. This directly points to Craig.

I was just logging on to add this after seaching the eppy for "495" all evening! You beat me to it! lol Nice math work Cincy!!!!  :yess:

I'm not sure about who came up with the numbers btwn Craig and Nicole (I think they both did), but I do know Craig tried to screw up Clay's discovery of the puzzle twice. When adding 144 + 89 he first got 232. Then at the very last few seconds he throws in 231 while for the last minute they've all been practically screaming 233.

Mole-ish for sure. Is he? I dunno. I keep remembering how they all want to look suspicious too in order to be voted for as the Mole and thus get the others executed.

Knuckles' following find appears to be correct with Clay leaving after Alex. That leaves either Nicole or Paul to be executed next:

The clue card for episode 6.

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/episode6.jpg)

At about the same time on the ABC board, 2 guys made the same post containing a shot from Marks journal.  So thanks to fallingatlas and tcntk for this.

 (http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/Marksjournal.jpg)


You can see from this that Mark was meticulously keeping track of possible sabotage chances regarding each player.  Up to that point in the show there had been 10 missions, and he recorded his thoughts of each player using a "1" if he thought they did something that could be considered sabotage, "0" if he thought they didn't, and a "?" if he wasn't sure.

You can see the players names at the left side of each line, and they are listed alphabetically.  The totals from the 10 missions is listed in parenthases at the right side of each line.

Al = Alex  (3-3-4)
Cl = Clay  (6-3-1)
Cr = Craig (4-2-4)
Kr = Kristen  gone
Ni = Nicole (2-4-4)
Paul = Paul (2-4-4)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on July 23, 2008, 02:19:28 AM

No offense but THIS is what I'm talking about when I say that some people are thinking about this waaaaaaaaaaay too much.  Name one clue on one season of The Mole where a clue has involved this much examination?  Counting spaces, replacing letters, come on.  Take a step back and consider how ridiculous it is.  With enough guessing and moving things around a person can virtually make any clue point to any person if they try that hard and are that determined to make a clue point to the person that they want. 


Offense?  Why would I take offense?  I went back and looked at each post you have made for the past month and except for a couple, each one was simply responding to a poster telling them why THEIR post was wrong and/or ridiculous.  So why would I take offense because it was my turn?  I will take this time though to point out something.  You have mentioned numerous times that you believe the moles journal to be the best source of clues, but that seems to be provided we use excerpts that you have decided must be a clue.  Otherwise, the comments in the journal are just as silly and useless as you have decided some posters theories to be.  Personally, I don't put much stock in the moles journal and prefer to use what I see in the episodes as well as the clues put out by ABC.  We do know those ARE clues even though we may not have been able to solve them, or maybe not even have solved them correctly.

Like you, I don't agree with every theory or suggestion that comes along, but I keep it to myself and instead concentrate on those that I believe to be of value.  Being a hard core Craig is the Mole fan, of course most of what I post will be what I consider to be evidence that might help confirm that.  I don't remember any on this site although there could be, but there has been occasion when I have posted something in an effort to disprove a theory being proposed about another player if I think I have a valid argument against it, and not to disagree with their theory just for the sake of disagreement.

From your previous posts, you say that Victoria was one of your main suspects, then when she was executed you switched to Clay.  You were 100% sure Clay was the mole, with Paul as a backup.  Why a backup if you were so sure?  Now that he is gone, Paul is your mole.  I COULD say that relying on the moles journal hasn't exactly provided you a very good track record, but I won't.  If that's what you want to depend on the most then more power to you. 

Now, you asked for one clue from one season that involved this much examination.  There have been no HARD clues to solve in the past but that is because there has been no previous web clues from ABC before.  We have only had clues that the producers included in the episodes and opening credits.  Most of those were pretty lame......Anderson holding up Katherines bag, eating an apple, picture of a ship, MickeyD, etc.  In the six years since the last real mole (celebrity moles don't count because they were pathetic), the internet has become more prevalent in interactive use and is now being utilized to provide the viewer a more involved level of participation with the show.

I agree that clues included within the episodes themselves are relatively simple, subtle, and easy to figure out.  For instance, Craig was wearing a key......he found the players clothes next to a key shop.  Easy and simple enough for you?

The clues given by ABC on their website are a different matter.  To begin with, not everyone that watches the show cares enough to visit the site to even see them.  Of the ones that do, only a small percentage of those people care enough to spend more than a few minutes trying to figure out what they mean.  Those clues are going to be harder to solve than the subtleties we are given in the show.  For instance, s666 - LIAr.

To paraphrase you from a previous post.....Sorry if this sounds condescending, that is not my intention.  I'm just trying to post something that will help.


Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mintobrandybuck on July 23, 2008, 04:06:05 AM
Okay, my current line of thinking on who I think the Mole is:

Nicole- I seriously doubt that she is the Mole. The 'I'm going to quit' thing is a very nonmole-like thing to do (at least, there would be no reason to attract attention to herself by doing so if she were the mole). In my opinion, she's way to loud and out there to be the mole. Now, I could always be wrong and that could be part of her plan, in which case I will eat my hat if she turns out to be the mole. She is smart and rather sneaky, so I won't completely overlook the possibility of it being her. I'd say the chances of her being the mole are about. . . 7%

Paul- Once again, he's much to loud and brazen in my opinion, but there have been several arguments that he may be using a 'hiding in plain sight' method. He doesn't seem to be the brightest bulb, but he's made it this far so he must either be very well off in his suspicions or, well, the Mole. If the former is the case, the he probably won't last too much longer. I know I haven't built a very convincing argument on why he is not the Mole, but I just don't think he is. I really think that he's just another loud New Yorker. Chances of him being the mole are probably 20%

Craig- There are a lot of suspicions on Craig, which is exactly why I don't think it is him. I remember from previous seasons that there was always someone (usually out of shape) that everyone immediately assumed was the mole. Well, it seems like Craig is the one from this game. All this talk about 11 and the Titanic and rope keys and hpothermia and the countless other theories about Craig just continue to absolve my own thoughts. I don't think he's the Mole. On the other hand, the 'nice guy' persona could make a very good coverup, and his out-of-shapeness can be a great excuse for blowing challenges. But all of it is just not subtle enough for me, so I think the chances of him being the Mole are very unlikely. . . probably about 11%
 
Mark- Now, to the meat of the matter. In my mind, Mark is the prime candidate; he is the least suspected, he has a personality quirk that can allow him to slip under the radar, he has done his share of keeping money out of the pot, and has played an overall good game. No one seems to suspect him because he is so into the game, but I think that is his greatest strength. Being into the game gives him an excuse to write in his journal all the time, which, like I mentioned earlier, helps deter attention away from himself. Reversely, all this attention to detail and concentration on the game may not be superficial. Maybe he's just in it to win it. I like his style of play, I think he's an awesome person, and most of all, I really think he's the Mole. It just fits, you know. Id' say his chances are probably a 62%

I know, my percentages are probably a bit one-sided. And may not add up to one hundred (that wasn't what I was going for), but you get my point. I strongly believe that the Mole is always going to be the person you expect the least. I only stick by this because in previous seasons, the most obvious choice wasn't the Mole and the least obvious was. The Mole was always kind of like the clues on the show; they're subtle. You tend to overlook it when the Mole sabotages a challenge.

So I challenge you all to go back and look for the not-so-obvious screw ups that could potentially be sabotage. Remember, the Mole is paid to be overlooked, so if you're always noticing when they sabotage a challenge, they aren't doing their job correctly.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Texan on July 23, 2008, 12:50:18 PM
Well I just have one thing to add to things that make you go HHHMMM.  Why was Paul the only one that had 2 people come to see him?  None of the other married couples have kids?  mark's wife is prgo with kid #4.    And come one Paul you are talking about maybe seeing you with and kid and you pass on several questions... did he know he did not need those and was making the show dramatic?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jojonj on July 23, 2008, 01:08:05 PM
OK...now I am upset that clay is gone..I thought for sure he was the mole...glad I'm not a detective or I would have NO business....LOL...I was reading through some of the posts that I missed and something hit me..someone said something, somewhere, about how the producers get the mole alone and everyone was thinking it was Craig when he "went to the hospital"...but there was another time when a contestant was missing, and that was Mark, when he had his hissy fit about the journals, so he could have been off talking about the game also..jmo, any thoughts?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 23, 2008, 01:43:32 PM
Minto posted:

Mark- Now, to the meat of the matter. In my mind, Mark is the prime candidate; he is the least suspected, he has a personality quirk that can allow him to slip under the radar, he has done his share of keeping money out of the pot, and has played an overall good game. No one seems to suspect him because he is so into the game, but I think that is his greatest strength. Being into the game gives him an excuse to write in his journal all the time, which, like I mentioned earlier, helps deter attention away from himself. Reversely, all this attention to detail and concentration on the game may not be superficial. Maybe he's just in it to win it. I like his style of play, I think he's an awesome person, and most of all, I really think he's the Mole. It just fits, you know. Id' say his chances are probably a 62%

If Mark were the mole, why did he in ep 6 help the team win 70,000?  He was on the treadmill and could have pooped out, quit running, fall off, or give up and stop before the runners came back with the wine and no one would be wiser.  And when the two bright (?) people could not figure out a puzzle he helped them come up with the right answers?  Why help the team when it wasn't his place to do so?  And in ep 7 he correctly came up with the right numbers for the smart team.  Again, if he were the mole why would he help when the others had it wrong and he could have just gone along with them?  And in the subway, in three occassions he could have screwed up and three team members would not have a reunion with their love ones, and the team would lose 30,000.  He has been too helpful to be the mole in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Cincy-David on July 23, 2008, 03:06:13 PM
Inserts foot in mouth******    :hearts: Peace love and welcome cincy-David.... its always good to read the beginning before jumping to the end haha Sorry. I just saw one of the clues i picked up and thought the worst!!! I am so sorry and honored that you agree with one of my clues.

Thank you very much, Peace, Love and Welcome back.  I am just so glad to have found this site to share my thoughts and theories.  My wife doesn't watch the show, nor does anyone in the office, so I have no one to compare notes with.  This is like a dream come true.

Can't wait till next Monday.
Dave
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Cincy-David on July 23, 2008, 03:13:33 PM
Well I just have one thing to add to things that make you go HHHMMM.  Why was Paul the only one that had 2 people come to see him?  None of the other married couples have kids?  mark's wife is prgo with kid #4.    And come one Paul you are talking about maybe seeing you with and kid and you pass on several questions... did he know he did not need those and was making the show dramatic?

Not sure if it is a clue or just the fact that maybe they didn't want thier kids to have the trauma of the door not opening if they got the questions wrong.

As for Paull, I think he is just so ego drivien that he just really doesn't know anything about his wife. He is clearly living in a ME ME ME world with little or no regard for others in his space.  If he does turn out to be the MOLE (and I am sticking with Craig), it will be on of the best acting jobs ever done on TV.  As another angle, Maybe Paul got to bring two as additional payment for being the Mole.

Does anyone know the background of the show to know enough of how the Mole is chosen and how much prep time is spent in advance of the start of filming.  Is it weeks or do they just toss one into the ring as the show starts and tell them to do thier thing.  Have ofter wondered about this. :waves:   Also, how does one apply to get on the show.  Have no interest, just curious how they select the candidates.

More later,
Dave
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Texan on July 23, 2008, 04:14:37 PM
Does the Mole get any money for being the mole?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Slowhatch on July 23, 2008, 05:29:55 PM
A straight payment. According to Bill the Mole (source (http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article4690.art&page=1)):
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I was given a flat fee, not of an excessive nature. (Nor even an adequate nature, come to think of it!)
What's interesting (to me, anyway) is what the runners-up receive: will it turn out that Ali's acceptance of the bribe was a smart percentage play?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jojonj on July 23, 2008, 06:05:21 PM
Maybe Paul got to bring two as additional payment for being the Mole


Sorry don't klnow how to quote people in here..LOL...but my thoughts on the whole Paul having 2 people there...I was just thinking that maybe there was nobody to watch the little girl so she had no choice but to bring her, maybe they don't trust anybody with their kid or maybe they have no family around to help out...Just a thought. :O)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 23, 2008, 06:33:11 PM
What does everyone think of the 23 degrees thing?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jojonj on July 23, 2008, 06:38:20 PM
Not really sure what to make of it MooM....I am sure we are all gonna say duh when it is all over as well as all of us looking like a bunch of dummies..LOL  :groan:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jerameez on July 23, 2008, 07:08:23 PM
Not really sure what to make of it MooM....I am sure we are all gonna say duh when it is all over as well as all of us looking like a bunch of dummies..LOL  :groan:

I think it's more of a number 23 thing, and like I said earlier, number 23 is CHICAGO Bulls legend Micheal Jordan. Nicole is also from CHICAGO and she was in the room right after that shot.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 23, 2008, 10:49:21 PM
Does the Mole get any money for being the mole?

Somewhere, sometime I read that the Mole receives a guaranteed $100,000.

Guess when you weigh that against a chance only at $500,000 it could seem like a good deal.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on July 24, 2008, 02:07:20 AM
Does anyone notice in the journals how the mole says goodbye to his/her victims? He/She send them post cards as a TRAVELER does to loved ones.!! Maybe I'm just reading to much into it?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Cincy-David on July 24, 2008, 08:15:01 AM
What does everyone think of the 23 degrees thing?

I must have dosed off, what is the 23 degree thing?  I missed something  :'(and need remedial help.

Thanks
Dave
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 24, 2008, 03:59:05 PM
Its the last post on page 19
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: TheRabbi on July 24, 2008, 05:16:21 PM
Not sure if its been mentioned yet, but there is one big clue in the opening titles that points to Paul.

At the very end, it says WHO, then IS, then THE MOLE.  Between WHO and IS is a quick letter jumble that says 8VFJI.  This can be interpreted as 8VFJI IS THE MOLE.

At about the 24 second mark of the opening titles, right before it goes to the individual contestant shots, there is another sequence of quick cuts and letters jumbling during another WHO, IS, THE, MOLE sequence (as Jon is saying it).  If you go frame by frame during this, the letters 8VFJI appear right over Paul's picture for exactly one frame.  I'd say thats a pretty big clue.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: p0stal on July 24, 2008, 07:39:37 PM
First time poster

Hey guys, not too sure this was mentioned yet (another craig proof here)

As you probably all know Craig has a website up at www.craigslike.com which is suspicious enough, what's even more suspicious is that the url was bought on February 29, 2008. seems a little early to be purchasing a website talking about how you were on "the mole", especially if you weren't actually the mole (which someone previously mentioned)

Also.. craig's supposed to be a graphic designer, and I being a graphic designer as well, and who knows many other GD's I can tell you that we already have personal websites for ourselves...so once again, it's suspicious that this website even exists.

thats my 2cents :tup:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 24, 2008, 10:44:01 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yvS8pfvb8UA (http://youtube.com/watch?v=yvS8pfvb8UA)

Maybe Craig is the mole...That's boring. So much for "Save the Mole!" :workout
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: CT on July 25, 2008, 01:44:41 PM
A straight payment. According to Bill the Mole (source (http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article4690.art&page=1)):
Quote
I was given a flat fee, not of an excessive nature. (Nor even an adequate nature, come to think of it!)
What's interesting (to me, anyway) is what the runners-up receive: will it turn out that Ali's acceptance of the bribe was a smart percentage play?


I read in an article that Jim (season 1) got payed about the same amount as Kathryn, the mole
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on July 26, 2008, 10:46:13 AM
here ya go ..
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on July 26, 2008, 10:48:18 AM
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Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: V.L. on July 26, 2008, 05:05:47 PM
I don't think the website really means anything - he's a fairly popular player, so I think he may be just capitalizing on the fame from the show and putting himself out there.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on July 26, 2008, 06:29:12 PM

No offense but THIS is what I'm talking about when I say that some people are thinking about this waaaaaaaaaaay too much.  Name one clue on one season of The Mole where a clue has involved this much examination?  Counting spaces, replacing letters, come on.  Take a step back and consider how ridiculous it is.  With enough guessing and moving things around a person can virtually make any clue point to any person if they try that hard and are that determined to make a clue point to the person that they want. 


Offense?  Why would I take offense?  I went back and looked at each post you have made for the past month and except for a couple, each one was simply responding to a poster telling them why THEIR post was wrong and/or ridiculous.  So why would I take offense because it was my turn?  I will take this time though to point out something.  You have mentioned numerous times that you believe the moles journal to be the best source of clues, but that seems to be provided we use excerpts that you have decided must be a clue.  Otherwise, the comments in the journal are just as silly and useless as you have decided some posters theories to be.  Personally, I don't put much stock in the moles journal and prefer to use what I see in the episodes as well as the clues put out by ABC.  We do know those ARE clues even though we may not have been able to solve them, or maybe not even have solved them correctly.

Like you, I don't agree with every theory or suggestion that comes along, but I keep it to myself and instead concentrate on those that I believe to be of value.  Being a hard core Craig is the Mole fan, of course most of what I post will be what I consider to be evidence that might help confirm that.  I don't remember any on this site although there could be, but there has been occasion when I have posted something in an effort to disprove a theory being proposed about another player if I think I have a valid argument against it, and not to disagree with their theory just for the sake of disagreement.

From your previous posts, you say that Victoria was one of your main suspects, then when she was executed you switched to Clay.  You were 100% sure Clay was the mole, with Paul as a backup.  Why a backup if you were so sure?  Now that he is gone, Paul is your mole.  I COULD say that relying on the moles journal hasn't exactly provided you a very good track record, but I won't.  If that's what you want to depend on the most then more power to you. 

Now, you asked for one clue from one season that involved this much examination.  There have been no HARD clues to solve in the past but that is because there has been no previous web clues from ABC before.  We have only had clues that the producers included in the episodes and opening credits.  Most of those were pretty lame......Anderson holding up Katherines bag, eating an apple, picture of a ship, MickeyD, etc.  In the six years since the last real mole (celebrity moles don't count because they were pathetic), the internet has become more prevalent in interactive use and is now being utilized to provide the viewer a more involved level of participation with the show.

I agree that clues included within the episodes themselves are relatively simple, subtle, and easy to figure out.  For instance, Craig was wearing a key......he found the players clothes next to a key shop.  Easy and simple enough for you?

The clues given by ABC on their website are a different matter.  To begin with, not everyone that watches the show cares enough to visit the site to even see them.  Of the ones that do, only a small percentage of those people care enough to spend more than a few minutes trying to figure out what they mean.  Those clues are going to be harder to solve than the subtleties we are given in the show.  For instance, s666 - LIAr.

To paraphrase you from a previous post.....Sorry if this sounds condescending, that is not my intention.  I'm just trying to post something that will help.

You're really taking things out of context.  I'm not trying to single people out and say that they're wrong.  That would be horrid.  I'm backing up my claims based on previous seasons.  I'm explaining what types of clues I think we tend to get and why clues that don't follow that line of thinking might be wrong.  Of course I could be totally off base.  But I'd rather go in depth and explain what seems to work and what doesn't seem to work from my perspective.  I told you not to take offense because I didn't want the reaction that you're clearly giving me now that I'm not trying to single people out.  I'm not saying that anyone is dumb.  I'm simply stating the traps and pitfalls that I've seen in seasons past of people assuming that every minute thing might be a clue and that some people create a self-fulfilling prophecy by assuming someone is the mole and then trying to force everything into being a clue pointing to that person.

The Mole Journal is a clue put out by ABC so I don't know why you wouldn't put any stock in it if you said you're going by clues ABC put out.  It wouldn't be part of the official ABC Mole website if it wasn't.

Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing?  I'm sorry if that's what you think I'm doing because I'm not.  I'm just taking a different approach.  Everyone can come around and post their theories.  I decided to go at it from another angle and try to weed out the theories that I don't think have any merit.  It's not like I'm dogging every single theory that's been put forth.  If that's what you choose to think though then please ignore my posts.

I picked Victoria before I even knew about the mole's journal.  If you read my posts like you said you did then you'd know why I picked both Clay and Paul.  I said that all of the clues pointed to the mole being one of them but I wasn't sure which one.  I assumed Clay much more strongly than Paul because of Paul's attitude and how he carried himself in the game.  Based on the clues I said it was one or the other.  But when push came to shove and I had to pick one of them as my horse to ride I had to go on my gut alone.  50/50 chance.  I chose the wrong one which leaves me with Paul.  If the mole is not Paul then yes, the journal clues were either not that important or I misinterpreted them.  I've already providing an in depth, process of elimination post that explains how I got to that point if you care to read it.

Yes, the key clue - if true - would be easy and simple like typical mole clues.  You'll notice that I did NOT quote it in my last post for that very reason.  I only singled out the long, drawn out clue that seemed very vague to me.

I still think you're making assumptions.  I also never said anything about disregarding the other ABC clues.  They probably are a little harder.  We just don't know how hard or even if we're on the right track about them.  Heck, people are dis disagreeing on which set of clues (if either) are more about the mole's identity and which are more about who will be executed.  We have no previous history on those sorts of clues so it's a brave new territory for us all.

I get it.  You didn't like me poopooing your other clue so you've decided to try to turn it around and tear apart what I've said.  I don't know what that sort of hostility is about.  I'm sorry if you took my suggestions too much to heart and were offended.  I'm just offering my opinions which is what a messageboard is for.  If you don't like that then like I said, please just ignore my posts.  You can choose to disagree with me as much as I choose to disagree with you.  I've explained myself thoroughly.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on July 26, 2008, 06:40:19 PM
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Thanks.

First thoughts.  The second page doesn't have any clues that I can see.  The number of the first page indicate to me that the mole was in the Clay/Paul/Mark group and not the Nicole/Craig group since those are the numbers that group had to add up I believe.  The personal info I'm not sure on.  I don't have the episode handy next to me right now so I'm not sure if we heard those specific answers.  I wonder if those are the answers to the mole's loved one's questions or if they just indicate that the mole would need to know answers and thus was one of the three people picked as most trusted which I think were Nicole/Clay/Mark.

Obviously if it's the latter then Mark would be the suspect.  If it's the former then Paul and Mark are still both suspects unless I can compare those answers with the ones on the show.  I might have to watch the episode again.  I hope these clues don't point to Mark because then I would be off the mark (lame joke not intended) and this would be the first journal entry that contradicts my previous assumptions.  Hmm... interesting.  I'm still going with Paul for now.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on July 26, 2008, 08:46:18 PM
I'd like to rewatch the episode as well Nightstalker but I'm stuck in BB land :gaw
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on July 27, 2008, 02:06:20 AM

The Mole Journal is a clue put out by ABC so I don't know why you wouldn't put any stock in it if you said you're going by clues ABC put out.  It wouldn't be part of the official ABC Mole website if it wasn't.

Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing?  I'm sorry if that's what you think I'm doing because I'm not.  I'm just taking a different approach.  Everyone can come around and post their theories.  I decided to go at it from another angle and try to weed out the theories that I don't think have any merit.  It's not like I'm dogging every single theory that's been put forth.  If that's what you choose to think though then please ignore my posts.

I picked Victoria before I even knew about the mole's journal.  If you read my posts like you said you did then you'd know why I picked both Clay and Paul.  I said that all of the clues pointed to the mole being one of them but I wasn't sure which one.  I assumed Clay much more strongly than Paul because of Paul's attitude and how he carried himself in the game.  Based on the clues I said it was one or the other.  But when push came to shove and I had to pick one of them as my horse to ride I had to go on my gut alone.  50/50 chance.  I chose the wrong one which leaves me with Paul.  If the mole is not Paul then yes, the journal clues were either not that important or I misinterpreted them.  I've already providing an in depth, process of elimination post that explains how I got to that point if you care to read it.


I agree that the journal should be taken more seriously than it is on this board.
Where is your indepth analysis of who you think the mole is?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 27, 2008, 12:16:36 PM
A great big RFF :welcome3: to all of you who have found us here!

And a big thank you to all of you for posting here.

Your in depth analyses and dissections of all the clues have added immeasurably to my enjoyment of the show this season and have made me have a "lightbulb" moment more than once!  And I am constantly amazed by all of the care and attention to detail here.

But please remember that in this forum we treat each other with respect. Every opinion is valued and respected. ABC, The Mole show, the contestants are all fair game...  other posters are not.

So go for it--feel free to dissect the clues to death, defend your choice, attack the MOLE.....just not each other! Let's keep the focus on figuring this MOLE out!

We love you all and are glad that each of you are sharing with us all!   :yourock:

 :vader:



Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 27, 2008, 12:46:22 PM
Well said, Ms Peach :yess:  But CBS :duno:  Unless you mean to blame them for wasting all that valuable air space with the likes of Big Bother instead of The Amazing Race :bubs
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 27, 2008, 01:05:05 PM
True that!! :lol3:

Fixed... :ty
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on July 27, 2008, 03:04:01 PM
I have been out of town for the last 2 weeks so I am way behind on mole'n'...but reading all of these post's has helped. I have just watched Last Mondays episode (#7) and have a few observations....

1) Clay lied in this episode to either Mark or Nicole….He told Nicole he answered his quiz all Craig and he told Mark that he answered it all Nicole.  So my theory is that Clay answer for this quiz all Craig and tied with Nicole or all Nicole and tied with Mark. I am hoping that he answered all Nicole because if she turns out to be the mole i will be pretty ticked.  So if Nicole thinks he answered all Craig and got sent home she could change her game plan thinking he was wrong and some with mark so both of them could be changin their mind based on him getting executed. idk just some thoughts.....
(I think Clay would be more likely to lie to Nicole seeing as he can't tell her he thinks she is the mole right?)

2)How mellow was Paul in this episode it was almost incomplete with out him and Nicole doing their usual>> :meow: or   :lala (Nicole) and (Paul)  (:;)

I need to re-watch it so i can pay closer attention to the ##s and anything else but I think the 23 need to be closely considered because it was obviously added in on purpose.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Belle Book on July 27, 2008, 06:07:53 PM
Craig certainly could've done his best to thwart Clay during the math part of the challenge on the laptop.  However, Nicole could've also done her best to thwart Clay.  Or maybe even Paul.  I don't think it was Mark, but I can't totally eliminate him of course.

Belle Book
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: p1a55b1idii on July 27, 2008, 07:25:01 PM
The mole is obviously Craig. Who else gets hungry running around Mendoza?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on July 27, 2008, 11:35:16 PM
I agree that the journal should be taken more seriously than it is on this board.
Where is your indepth analysis of who you think the mole is?


Here's what I have so far based on the journal.  I'm quoting one of my earlier posts here:

"Hey guys.  This is my first post.  I've been watching this thread since the season started though.  I was examining The Mole's diary on the ABC website and I think it's given away enough information already to tell me exactly who The Mole is.  Feel free to correct me if you think I'm off.  I'd love some input.

Okay, so first here's who is left:

Alex
Clay
Craig
Kristen
Mark
Nicole
Paul

"Being blindfolded while flying 40MPH on a luge... That's something new for me."

Well, I guess this one depends on how we interpret the clue being changed.  Was it changed because it was misleading or because it gave too much away?  I assume it's because it gave too much away since another page has a grape stain on it.  Only the blindfolded people had to touch the fruit.  Craig, Mark and Nicole weren't blindfolded so I've eliminated them.

Alex
Clay
Kristen
Paul

Another page refers to Kristen in the third person.  So unless The Mole is Kristen and she talks like The Rock then she's eliminated as well.

Alex
Clay
Paul

The diary also talks about playing the soccer game.  That reinforces the elimination of a few suspects including Kristen again.  Also, another page asks how to say something in Spanish.  Why would Alex ask that question?  We've seen that he's fluent in Spanish.  So who does that leave?

Clay
Paul

So that's it.  From my perspective it's a 50/50 guess.  I don't know about anyone else but if Paul was The Mole he would have to have the biggest set of balls in the world to be so vocal and in everyone's face all of the time.  That leaves me with one option only.

The Mole is CLAY!

Thoughts?"

---

Obviously since then more people have been eliminated.  I had it narrowed down to Clay and Paul in my mind and I bet on Clay because of Paul's attitude.  I was wrong.  So now my money is on Paul.  I hope I'm right.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on July 27, 2008, 11:38:55 PM
I'd like to rewatch the episode as well Nightstalker but I'm stuck in BB land :gaw

I know the feeling.  I watch BB both in the U.S. and the UK (and AUS but sadly this year was the last season.)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 28, 2008, 04:43:09 AM
THE LAUGHING GAS!

In Craig's ABC profile, it states that the only way he could make friends in school was his sense of humor.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on July 28, 2008, 06:07:18 AM

Back to the clue card from episode 2.

ABCBB
ACCBCA

At dinner before the execution during that episode, the seating at the table was like this.

Craig-A, Bobby-B, Kristen-C, Clay-B, Alex-B, Jon-at end of table
Mark-A, Ali-C, Victoria-C, Paul-B, Liz-C, Nicole-A

That gives us a grouping that looks like this:

A - Craig, Mark, Nicole
B - Bobby, Clay, Alex, Paul
C - Kristen, Ali, Victoria, Liz

Although this doesn't point to just one person, if Paul is executed tonight I would say the solution to this clue was to give us the final three which of course includes the mole. Possible?




For this weeks clue:

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/episode8.jpg)


We all know that is REFLECT backwards. During the challenge where 2 of the players are blindfolded, the other 2 operate a camera that serves as their eyes. The blurb for this weeks episode says "the players can't believe their eyes when their entire world turns upside down". This would seem to indicate that the image shown with the camera is flipped and sent to sensors underneath the blindfolds. This would make the clue point to Paul or Craig since they would be the ones seeing things as a reflection. Everyone knows I have thought the mole is Craig from the first episode and to me this just kind of puts one more check in his column. Thoughts?


Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Texan on July 28, 2008, 09:07:42 AM
Remember Craig was the one that was keyign int he #s and when Clay figured out she kept saying 2 or 3 different numbers at the end.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: virushunter981 on July 28, 2008, 01:00:21 PM
The clue could also mean "Reflect BACK" on all the other clues and try to piece them to fit one person. In that case, if we look back to Week 2:

ABCBB
ACCBCA

If I remember correctly, by use of grades, Bobby, Paul, and Clay got an "A" on the quiz.  I took this to mean that since the Mole knew every answer, the Mole would get an A.  The only person left with an A on that quiz is Paul.

Week 6, the crossed out numbers, points to Mark, Craig, or EITHER Paul or Nicole.

If anyone else can come up with more clue cards, can someone post all the clues?

Thanks!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 28, 2008, 01:05:25 PM
I believe all the clue cards are here in the thread somewhere...or in the individual episode discussions.

If anyone has time to pull them all together that would be great!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on July 28, 2008, 01:12:18 PM
OK so it would seem based on the clue week 2 that the final three will be Nicole, Mark, and Craig. (kudos knuckles487 I think you are totally right) B was for the fist 4 guys to go and C the first 4 girls to go seeing also as A is the only group with two genders and with three and not for people being represented. Also to add more proof to the Paul pudding Fallowing the pattern from week 6 clue Ale and Clay would be eliminated and then either Nicole or Paul. SO....I guess we truly don't know till the finger print comes up red but this seems pretty convincing to me!

***also this weeks text clue what is it????***
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on July 28, 2008, 01:33:56 PM
text clue EP8: 00711   :waves:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: multi007 on July 28, 2008, 02:13:47 PM
But what has Craig done to lose money?

That's the same question Im asking myself of EVERYONE.  The problem with who is the mole, is simple. The mole has not done anything "mole" like.  The mole has not done anything to lose money.  Hard to predict who the mole is if they dont act like a mole.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 28, 2008, 03:18:05 PM
Interesting...

I was just rewatching the end of last week's episode in search of a game question answer--

And during the quiz, when they are showing the computer answers, on the question "When did the Mole see their loved one" the little white cursor arrow went straight to #3...

And #3 was Nicole.

I didn't see that cursor arrow used on any other questions at all, which made this one look pretty blatant.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/MoleEp7cursor.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on July 28, 2008, 04:16:39 PM
Thanks so much puddin!!! Your the BEST!!! :hearts:
Ehat does this mean any ideas???
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on July 28, 2008, 04:56:46 PM
Thanks so much puddin!!! Your the BEST!!! :hearts:
Ehat does this mean any ideas???


00711

Well, Yonkers has about 10 zip codes ranging from 10701 to 10710.  If you rearrange either of those you have 00711.  It could point to Paul leaving.


Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 28, 2008, 04:58:28 PM
Interesting...

I was just rewatching the end of last week's episode in search of a game question answer--

And during the quiz, when they are showing the computer answers, on the question "When did the Mole see their loved one" the little white cursor arrow went straight to #3...

And #3 was Nicole.

I didn't see that cursor arrow used on any other questions at all, which made this one look pretty blatant.

I'll try to do a screen cap but it won't be till tomorrow.

Peach, I think that you are right on.  It was the only time the curser was shown and it landed right on no. 3 which was Nicole.  I wouldn't hold it against the producers for being overly blantant.  Remember in mole 2 they came right out and printed on the intro "The Mole is Bill"; still at the end of the game there were those who doubted it.  So maybe the producers have seen that their clues have been too hard to find, so they may have eased up and made it a little more obvious.  But still you had to be sharp to spot the little arrow.  And if Nicole is the Mole, than the N20 clue would also point toward her.  A lot depends on who gets electrocuted tonight:  Paul or Mark?

Another thought:  since the Mole is not in the running for the half mil or whatever, maybe the producers gave him a plum by letting both his wife and daughter join him in BA (that would be Paul)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 28, 2008, 05:00:20 PM
Thanks so much puddin!!! Your the BEST!!! :hearts:
Ehat does this mean any ideas???


00711

Well, Yonkers has about 10 zip codes ranging from 10701 to 10710.  If you rearrange either of those you have 00711.  It could point to Paul leaving.




That usually has been the case with these clues, they point to the person going belly-up in tonights program.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Belle Book on July 28, 2008, 06:18:48 PM
If Paul's the one going, that's one less suspect for me.  We'd have Mark (who I don't think is the Mole), Craig (who I think is the Mole but is almost too obvious) and Nicole (who's being very blatant, if she is the Mole).  Right now, I think the Mole's Craig but I wouldn't be too surpised to find out it's Nicole.  I'd be stunned if it was Mark, however!

Belle Book
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 28, 2008, 09:29:56 PM
Reflection! I wasn't paying much attention for clues tonight because I was eating during the episode, and I noticed a suspicious shot of a reflection on a building when they arrived at a mission. I didn't think much of it, but then I saw the reflection clue.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on July 28, 2008, 10:02:01 PM
1) those text clues are sick nasty.
2) Paul is not the mole.
3) Nicole is the mole.
4)Mark is gonna win.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 28, 2008, 10:23:25 PM
Paul said he put all his answers based on Craig.

Paul is gone so Craig is not the mole.

Mark has done too well in winning or helping to win money.  He is the big winner because he knows who the mole is.

Craig is left on the outside looking in.

Nicole is the mole based on clues (N2O, ETC.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Cincy-David on July 28, 2008, 10:28:12 PM
Paul said he put all his answers based on Craig.

Paul is gone so Craig is not the mole.   Mark has done too well in winning or helping to win money.  He is the big winner because he knows who the mole is.

Craig is left on the outside looking in.  Nicole is the mole based on clues (N2O, ETC.

I am not sure this holds true.  Paul also never takes notes, and even though he answer that Craig is the mole, that does not mean that he has the correct answer, you can have an assumption and still not be able to answer the questions if your memory is not picture or you have taken great notes.

I am still sticking with Craig.  Did anyone notice the shirt he was wearing in the first challenge.  For me it looks like a red circle with an animated mole in the middle.  Since there is no cross bar like in the road signs for no left turn and such, could this be a clue that Craig is the MOLE, Can anyone with the skills get a shot of this and post it for us all to see.

Dave
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Groovyman on July 28, 2008, 10:43:34 PM
I'm not sure if anybody else said this (or if it's unfounded) but in all the eliminations I've watched, Jon (the host) hasn't even called Craig's name. (It could just be editing though). Of course this might not mean anything if Jon really doesn't know who the mole is.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Cincy-David on July 28, 2008, 10:45:26 PM
One more thing that points to Craig (minor clue)

  



At the interview after Paul is eliminated, Jon Kelley asks each player if they're the mole.  He follows this up by saying that just one of them is lying.

Nicole: "No, I'm not the Mole."

Craig: "No, Mark is the Mole."

Mark: "No, I'm not the Mole."

Craig is the only one no to say I am NOT the Mole.  Minor, I agree, but something.  I don't beleive at any point that Mark is the mole, so that makes Craig the liar to me.

Dave
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Cincy-David on July 28, 2008, 10:47:35 PM
I'm not sure if anybody else said this (or if it's unfounded) but in all the eliminations I've watched, Jon (the host) hasn't even called Craig's name. (It could just be editing though). Of course this might not mean anything if Jon really doesn't know who the mole is.

 :lol: Hey Groovyman - I had mentioned this is a post a week or so ago, but this is way back there, but I confer.  Jon has never once shown Craigs results on the Monday night show.  (This is to the best of my memory).

Dave
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: kendra1117 on July 28, 2008, 11:25:40 PM
Hey guys!  You have all been doing a great job at keeping me guessing with these darn clues!

I know that the clues seem to have been pointing more towards who is going home but the one thing I thought of when I got the text clue this morning (00711) is that the mole is being represented as #11 (like most clues seem to have been at some point or another) and 007 was a spy with a gun.  My thought watching the show was that Mark might be the mole because he was the "shooter".

Of course, that was a fleeting moment.  I still think that Craig is the mole and have since the first episode.

In thinking about who Nicole and Paul did the quiz for, they both mentioned that they were answering it for Craig.  Someone mentioned that Paul leaving after answering about Craig may be proof that he is not the mole but I still think the possibility exists despite this.  Even if they both did it for him, I wasn't surprised that Paul was the one to go.  Nicole seems to answer the questions fast and she seems to remember more details that Paul might not because he never writes things down.  That might cause her to get more correct and not cause a tie.

Keep up the good work everyone!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on July 28, 2008, 11:42:47 PM
I figured out the apple clue from fruit of the luge!!!!!!!! lol im hyped i know but "an apple a day keeps the dr. (mole) away"!!!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: RadioRocket on July 29, 2008, 12:31:09 AM
Did anyone else notice how when Paul drove off Jon say take care "slick"?
Hmmm. Craig maybe? But Jon doesn't know who the Mole is.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 29, 2008, 12:41:25 AM
I figured out the apple clue from fruit of the luge!!!!!!!! lol im hyped i know but "an apple a day keeps the dr. (mole) away"!!!

I think you may be right on this. Nicole has been the least suspected which has changed my mind about her. Besides, Nicole rhymes with Mole.  :funny:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 29, 2008, 12:51:46 AM
Another thought from tonight's eppy (West coast here). Nicole's beahvior garnered a lot of screen time at one point (after the 1st challenge I think). It was just really weird the looks she gave towards Jon and what he was saying. I'll screen cap them if I can find the time.

And, I find it odd how they (NBC) focus on the elimination in these eppys. Reflecting back... haha... it's just so obvious who is leaving from the episode itself.  Farewell cameos for sure.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on July 29, 2008, 01:05:01 AM
Omg Paul has been executed and my theories have been torn to shambles :'(
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: krazlilangl on July 29, 2008, 01:14:18 AM
Did anyone else notice how when Paul drove off Jon say take care "slick"?
Hmmm. Craig maybe? But Jon doesn't know who the Mole is.

I did not notice this till you mentioned it, so I went back and watched it again.

I know this may sound crazy, but to me it sounded like Jon's voice was a voice over when saying "Take care slick", like it was added in after production. It was noticeably lower than when he said "Take it easy."

I might be listening too hard though....
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 29, 2008, 01:27:47 AM
Did anyone else notice how when Paul drove off Jon say take care "slick"?
Hmmm. Craig maybe? But Jon doesn't know who the Mole is.

I did not notice this till you mentioned it, so I went back and watched it again.

I know this may sound crazy, but to me it sounded like Jon's voice was a voice over when saying "Take care slick", like it was added in after production. It was noticeably lower than when he said "Take it easy."

I might be listening too hard though....

Voice overs started with Ep 1. Just watch when they all line up and are welcomed by Jon before the falls jump. Kinda sucks knowing editing is going on....
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 29, 2008, 01:30:20 AM
Paul would have been the most excellent Mole. I'm sorry to see him go!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: V.L. on July 29, 2008, 01:36:34 AM
I'm so glad I didn't jump on the Paul bandwagon.  :jumpy: Nicole has been on my suspect list from the beginning, before I started posting on here, and I'm SO glad she's still there, and most likely the Mole.

I missed the episode, but I'm going to watch it as soon as I can online. Excited for the finale!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on July 29, 2008, 01:48:14 AM
I'm so glad I didn't jump on the Paul bandwagon.  :jumpy: Nicole has been on my suspect list from the beginning, before I started posting on here, and I'm SO glad she's still there, and most likely the Mole.

I missed the episode, but I'm going to watch it as soon as I can online. Excited for the finale!

If i recall there wasnt a bandwagon for Paul. In fact i was the only one that openly expressed i thought it was him. Anywhoo as far as the cluecards from episode 6 on ward have had  dates and times in the upper right corners. whatseveryones take on that?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 29, 2008, 04:02:02 AM
Did anyone see what was in the reflection of the building when they arrived at the first mission?!?!?!?!   :iok
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Cincy-David on July 29, 2008, 08:07:29 AM
Did anyone see what was in the reflection of the building when they arrived at the first mission?!?!?!?!   :iok

I am trying to get a shot of it, but it appeared to be a water tower that had the words SITS on it. No clue what it means or if it plays in.  It was way to obvious of a reflection though not too.  If anyone has a photo, please post.

Dave
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: washburn927 on July 29, 2008, 09:09:51 AM
I haven't been reading the posts lately, so I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but did anyone (besides me) think that Jon was giving a clue when he was congratulating the final four just before the first mission of the episode? He said, "You guys are definitely headed in the right direction." Notice, Craig was standing on the far right when he said this. I may be reading into things, but that stands out to me as something that Jon wouldn't normally say--something the producers had him say (kinda like the "paid the Price" in Mole Season 1.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Slowhatch on July 29, 2008, 09:21:57 AM
Quote
Did anyone see what was in the reflection of the building when they arrived at the first mission?
The stack, which can be seen in reflection when they arrive and also during the board-walk, has "estrella" written on it. Unfortunately, Grupo Estrella is a very large corporation in Argentina, so Jon's description of an "abandoned mill on the outskirts of Buenos Aires" will have to do for now.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: washburn927 on July 29, 2008, 09:29:14 AM
One more thing...regarding the mole's journal for this week, notice that the journal says Favorite Band-?. Craig didn't know who his friend's favorite band was during that mission. Also, just to post a few things that make me think Craig is a good candidate for the mole because someone said no one has done anything mole-like. 1) As Mark frequently points out, Craig can fail and people will cheer, like in the waterfall mission. 2) In the Alexander Selkirk mission, he was a scavenger and could've easily ignored or kicked away one of the necessary items. 3) Craig talked to Victoria at the end of the fruit of the luge mission, discounting the money they earned. 4)Craig deliberately asked Nichole a question during the most recent mission in which Nichole had the camera and was not allowed to talk. Anyone who knows Nichole knows that she would answer without thinking. 5) Craig suggested that Bobby get in the wheelbarrow in the pigs mission. (His team earned no money). 6) Craig didn't even make it across the bridge to the chalkboard in the last mission, although I think he genuinely was scared. 7) The most suspicious thing to me is when Craig was the first one to say "Exemption" at the dinner table. It seemed odd to me that he would ask for an exemption for being sick. Sounds like the producers told him he had to say that so that he could control the Travelers mission, which he sabotaged, even leading Mark to give up. 8)I know there are others, but I haven't gone back to watch the episodes, so any other "Craig is the mole" fans feel free to chime in.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 29, 2008, 10:39:49 AM
I am still sticking with Craig.  Did anyone notice the shirt he was wearing in the first challenge.  For me it looks like a red circle with an animated mole in the middle.  Since there is no cross bar like in the road signs for no left turn and such, could this be a clue that Craig is the MOLE, Can anyone with the skills get a shot of this and post it for us all to see.

Dave


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/MoleEp8craigsshirt.jpg)

Did anyone see what was in the reflection of the building when they arrived at the first mission?!?!?!?!   :iok

I am trying to get a shot of it, but it appeared to be a water tower that had the words SITS on it. No clue what it means or if it plays in.  It was way to obvious of a reflection though not too.  If anyone has a photo, please post.

Dave


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/MoleEp8reflection.jpg)

and my cursor shot: :lol:

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/MoleEp7cursor.jpg)

And y'all know there are loads of pics in the media thread too, right?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 29, 2008, 10:46:37 AM
Odd:

I posted that reflection pic in answer to a request...but didn't notice till I did that there is another reflection on the bottom left .....

Any thoughts?

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/Moleep8reflectionrelook.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jojonj on July 29, 2008, 10:48:52 AM
Ok...well I am probably going to get the I'm reading into things too much talk..LOL...but the clue was reflection...if you turn the letters around it says STIS...I looked it up and it has to do with NASA, and one of the people who invented it was a Mr. Mark Lee...I know it is out there but it could be something..hahaha
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jojonj on July 29, 2008, 11:34:09 AM
Hey Georgia Peach...seems like you are good with getting pictures up here...if you go to the abc website and watch that little video clip...when Mark comes out of his cell, he has his hand over his mouth and next to his head it says Male MOLE...thought that was interesting!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: rld0724 on July 29, 2008, 12:58:49 PM
Hi first time poster here, but as with all first time posters, been following all season. I don't usually have much to contribute as I feel  everyone here does an excellent job of that. I just wanted to say thank you too everyone who has made this experience more enjoyable for me.  I thoroughly enjoy reading everyone's theories as to who the mole is, personally I think it is Nicole, but as always, never really sure.

jojonj, I found the picture that you were looking for, might just be coincidence but still interesting none the less

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jojonj on July 29, 2008, 01:43:53 PM
Thanks rld...and welcome to the board...glad you decided to post...It may be a coincedence but I thought it odd, it caught my eye right away. :O) :bubs
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 29, 2008, 03:42:24 PM
Now that Paul is in bye-bye land, it now looks like it has boiled down to a tossup between Craig and Nicole.  Each has many clues pointing toward them.  Both have been the cause of the team losing money: in ep 1 both Craig and Nicole failed to grab the bag; in ep 2 both were on the soccer playing group which lost out to Mark and Kristian and lost money for the pot; in ep 3 Craig talked after the finish line and cost the pot $10,000 and Nicole conned Alex to name the green apple twice and lost the pot $12,000.  And so it goes.  In the last several tasks both Craig and Nicole were on the same losing group so either one or both of them could be sabotaging the task. Hard to say.

But other clues seem to point more to Nicole than Craig.  (1) in the opening titles before the title "Mole" is seen, the letters spell out "MOM", which did not refer to either Marcie or Liz but may refer to Nicole who as a OBGYN Doctor works with Moms or Moms-to-be.  (2) References to apples may refer to "an apple a day, keeps the doctor (Nicole) away.  (3) an arrow in ep 7 quiz points to the answer "3" which was identified as Nicole. (4)The sign on the wine barrel in ep 5 "N2O" could refer to Nitrous Oxide a gas used by doctors for the Laparoscopic management of the persistent adnexal mass in pregnancy. (5) Nicole is hit first in the paintball fight and keeps $10,000 out of the pot.

Also note that at the dinner in eps 5 and 6 everyone except Nicole is dressed in black so that she stands out from the rest and therefore is different from the rest. As the mole is different from the rest.

She also in ep 8 is first to call out a cell number.  The producers in "private meetings" with the mole often advise the mole of what is coming up and what they should do; such as call out a particular number or team they want to be on since the mole knows the significance of that call. Such as which cell would not have an exemption and would give the mole a chance to lose money for the pot. Nicole was alone outside the cabin and on the beach in ep 1; in the last few eps she has had a room by herself (we all think, at least) since she is the only female left in the competition.  These are perfect times for the producers to sit down and plan for the next day's action and what group she should be on. They tell her what group has the best chance to lose or not make money for the pot and then note that in almost every case Nicole is the first to call out her choice of groups.

Look at many of the tasks Nicole is on (for which she is quick to chose a group, a group with a better chance to sabotage the game) and she slows things downs, gives the wrong answers, or counts wrong.

There is too much evidence for Nicole not to be the mole.

And still Paul thought Craig was the mole, he was electrocuted so Craig is not the mole, and Mark has been too good at winning money for the pot to be the mole, that leaves Frau Doktor Professor Nicole as the MOLE.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on July 29, 2008, 05:28:22 PM
Im glad Ginnger man took to my " apple a day keeps the doctor away clue!!!! I FEEL SPECIAL!!! lol :-[ :hearts:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on July 29, 2008, 07:04:25 PM
Since Paul (my main suspect) is gone heres my prediction for the final episode.

Nicole- THE MOLE

Mark-THE WINNER

Craig-THE RUNNER-UP
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 29, 2008, 07:36:22 PM
When the meanings of the clues are revealed (my favorite part of the Mole,) if they show the building reflection clue or the 23 degrees clue, THINK OF MountainsOutOfMoleHills!! :happy:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on July 29, 2008, 07:56:13 PM
What can I say?  I'm stunned.  It sucks so much to have my two main suspects (Clay and Paul) make it so far and then get eliminated back to back right before the finale.  It's such a punch in the gut.  I'm speechless now.  I was off on at least one or two things when I deduced who I thought the mole was from the mole's journal on the ABC website.  Or maybe the journal was just crap.  Who knows right now?

To the mole: congrats.  You did extremely well.  You're either someone who was way too obvious that I decided not to pick you (Nicole and Craig) or you're someone who seems so much like a player (Mark) that it'd be shocking for it to be you.  The mole earned their money this season.  So did the mole.  Here's my final guess which is probably wrong because it's coming from me. ;)

The mole: Nicole
The winner: Mark
The loser: Craig

Here's a question.  What's up with putting the question, "Is the mole male or female" on the last few quizzes?  If Nicole is not the mole that would be a freebie.  She'd be the only player 100% sure everytime that the answer is male because she's the only female in the game.  That makes me think she's the mole.  If not then it's so not fair that she gets a free answer every week just because all of the other women were too dumb on the quiz to stick around.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on July 30, 2008, 11:00:45 AM
I'm willing to bet all the tests were created before the contestants were even picked, and the fact that Nicole is the last female is kinda making it suck for the producers, but I doubt they could change the tests. Besides, it adds a bit of stability to the tests.

Besides, if Nicole is the mole (and I personally think she is) then everyone who has been saying Male has been getting it wrong all these weeks that she has been the only female.

At this point, I am hoping:

Mole: Nicole
Winner: Mark

But I'll have to wait til I see the finale.

On that note, I wont be posting here at all next week, as I am pretty sure I am working, and thus unable to watch the episode, so no one will hear my thoughts on anything else until after I see it. I dont want it spoiled at all.

One last thing. At the end of Ep 8, Nicole and Mark both said they were not the Mole, but Craig said it was Mark.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 30, 2008, 12:10:13 PM
Y'all know that Monday 8/4 is the final challenge and quiz, but the big reveal is not until the finale on 8/11? So we won't know the winner or the Mole till 8/11...

So you should be safe to play with us till 8/11, I think!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on July 30, 2008, 01:37:29 PM
Y'all know that Monday 8/4 is the final challenge and quiz, but the big reveal is not until the finale on 8/11? So we won't know the winner or the Mole till 8/11...

So you should be safe to play with us till 8/11, I think!

they should show both episodes on the same night. and have it as a two part finale
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 30, 2008, 02:22:07 PM
Remember The Mole is on ABC, not CBS.  The latter has a better sense of programming.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on July 30, 2008, 03:16:42 PM
Ok...well I am probably going to get the I'm reading into things too much talk..LOL...but the clue was reflection...if you turn the letters around it says STIS...I looked it up and it has to do with NASA, and one of the people who invented it was a Mr. Mark Lee...I know it is out there but it could be something..hahaha

STIs also stands for ***ually Transmitted Infections.  Such infections are very often hard to see in women and a DOCTOR'S services are needed to determine what the symptom is.  A doctor such as an OBGYN could be consulted if a woman is worried about STIs.   Who is our doctor?  None other than Frau Doktor Professor Nicole.

Note that in the reflection the original name of the factory "ESTRELLA" has been changed in post-production to read STIS.  The "R" has been over riden with "IS".  The producers did much the same in Mole2 when the blank sky was added stars including the zodiac sign for Bill the Admiral and Mole.

Estis also is a family name found often in Illinois and California.  Anyone happen to know the maiden name of either Nicole's or Craig's mother?
 
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on July 30, 2008, 04:18:34 PM
Well, Well, Well!!!! I am surprised how many people are guessing Nicole as the mole! I suppose there is some evidence for her put it all seems to far fetched for me. I would also like to bring up that people who thought the mole was Nicole have left a long time ago (Clay, Alex, Bobby). A couple clarifications:
1) the reason that it said male mole behind Marks head is because that is how he solved the puzzle.
2) Nicole answered the cell number she wanted first and then Paul and then Craig and then Mark...and that is the order they were standing in left to right, so I think they just answered down the line.
3) I think that if she was the mole and when answering first she would have said cell five for two reasons. 1-she has the exemption if she is the shooter 2-she has the exemption and can get shot(purposely) keeping money out of the pot.
4) I think if you were to look back at past episodes Craig has answered first when dividing into teams more than she has.
5) the finale being on 8/11 made me think of that text clue from week 4(I think) cf(11)8...weird
6)In the past I had some what disregard the bright light in the back of each online clue but when I was "reflecting" back on past clue I noticed that it was not always in the same place so I took note of that letter/number/symbol it shining on in each clue, this is what I found:
week1: E
week2: C
week3: -
week4: P
week5: 7
week6: 6
week7: 4
week8: L
I am not sure what this means but it made me think of a telephone number(the -) So idk maybe it means something maybe not but I would be interested to see what people can come up with.
7) I don't think JOn knows who the mole is but they can still direct what he says and does so don't disregard him based on the fact that he doesn't know.
8)It seems that Craig rairly shares who he thinks the mole is....hhhhmmm.....
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: breanainneire on July 30, 2008, 05:20:38 PM
I originally had a theory about the 23 degrees clue, but it has since tanked. I found that the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn are located at about 23 degrees latitude north and south, respectively. I thought maybe the mole would be one of those zodiac signs, but, to the best my info off the internet, Nicole is an Aries, Mark is either Libra or Scorpio, and Craig is Scorpio. Shucks, I thought that would have been a simple interpretation of the clue.
I did a bit more digging and found that the brightest star in the constellation Aries is located at a declination of 23° 27′ 44″, but I think that's pretty farfetched for a clue.

Also, with the tower-reflection thing, "estis" is also the past tense of the verb "to be" in Esperanto. (As if that means anything.)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Belle Book on July 30, 2008, 06:04:06 PM
Well, well, well.  Paul was the one to go, and there was no tie.  Does that mean that Craig isn't the Mole after all?  Or did Paul just not know enough questions about the Mole?  I don't know.  Right now, I'm tied between Craig and Nicole as my chief Mole suspects.  Mark is way behind, but he could still be the Mole.

Since I said that I was torn between Craig and Nicole, here are two possible outcomes:

1.  The Mole -- Craig.
     The winner -- Nicole.
     The runner-up -- Mark.

2.  The Mole -- Nicole.
     The winner -- Craig.
     The runner-up -- Mark.

Belle Book
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on July 30, 2008, 07:33:40 PM
:welcome2: to RFF, breanainneire (interesting about the Aries connection)  and Rid0724 (thanks for the pic too) !!

Glad y'all found us!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on July 30, 2008, 09:56:52 PM
AND, the 23 degrees WAS  on NICOLE'S door.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on July 30, 2008, 10:17:59 PM
Estis also is a family name found often in Illinois and California.  Anyone happen to know the maiden name of either Nicole's or Craig's mother?

Craig's mother's maiden name is Lauretta Entwistle.

Nicole Williams is such a common name I'm not even going to bother hunting down her mom. However, her mom's first name is Ledora as we know already.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on July 31, 2008, 01:48:13 AM
some thoughts...

-that reflection almost looks like 21123. I agree that they clearly put an S over the arms of the E to turn it into an S I. The T almost looks like they made the trunk of it brighter than the cross part to emphasize it so it looks like an I or a 1 instead.

2112 gives me a Rush album. 21123 gives me the zip code for Pasadena, Maryland (not Pasadena CA)

- when picking the cells and solving the riddle last episode, Nicole Craig & Paul had the blue paint jackets on. Mark didn't. *surprise surprise* the one without the paint jacket came out victorious, thus not needing the paint jacket he so conveniently didn't have on. :)

- if Jon's comment about "ONE of you is lying" (after he asked each if they were the mole) can be taken at face value, their replies eliminate one of the remaining 3 players as being the mole.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: multi007 on July 31, 2008, 06:49:51 AM
 I knew it wasnt Paul.  The mole could not be so loud, vocal, arogant, to bring the focus to him.   Im still thinking its Craig.    The early clue "I lie with my eyes" gives me Craig.  I know there were other clues, but this is the only one that gets me thinking Craig.  Stll not sure about that baby cry though.  That gets me thinking Nicole.   
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mrs Shrek on July 31, 2008, 03:39:08 PM
I was hoping the Mole was Paul, because although he was loud and aggressive and in your face, he couldn't directly be pinned to many sabotages, but at the same time was still causing others to lose focus and lose missions. I will be really disappointed if the Mole turns out to be Craig. I would just feel like the producers had "dummed it down" and made the Mole clues too easy if that is the case, cos so many clues seem to be pointing to him from early on (one of the reasons I had ruled him out as the mole). I will be happier if I find out Nicole was the Mole, and Mark would be absolutely fantastic, just because any moleish activity he had carried out was so subtle, and the blame in each case transferred to other people, which is what the mole should be doing - making others look guilty, while looking innocent himself. Unfortunately I don't think that Mark was the Mole, but I can always hope.... :lol:
I have watched a few of the International versions of the Mole, in addition to season 1 and 2 of the US series. Every time there is someone who you think is "likely to be the Mole" from early on, but each time I have either been pleasantly surprised to find out who the Mole actually was, or have only cottoned on to the real Mole in the final few episodes. The Mole revealed episode is always great, when you get to see what sabotage was overlooked, or the blame was able to be transferred to another contestant. I am really really really really hoping that this Mole comeback isn't going to be a big let down because they have tried to appeal to a wider audience by diluting the original concept too much.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on August 01, 2008, 07:55:04 PM
 :waves:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: randallcornelius on August 01, 2008, 08:12:58 PM
well, i feel pretty special right now...the two least likely players that could have been the mole based on what little we knew from the first episode, yet i said might be the mole anyways, are still here. Mark and Craig have been my suspects all along, and i don't think i have any reason to change them...but I am going to point out that i don't think Mark is mole, and am actually leaning towards Nicole but I refuse to change my answer  :lala

I think that anyone one of the last three could be the mole, though...with enough manipulation to each clue, you could make anyone of them point to each of the final three. In my opinion, here's how i would rank the probabilities of the final three in each category:

Winner:

1. Mark
2. Craig
3. Nicole

Loser:

1. Nicole
2. Craig
3. Mark

Mole:

1. Nicole
2. Craig
3. Mark


obviously, based on what where i have placed craig, i am borderline with him right now. He is definitely the hardest to peg.  :duno:

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on August 01, 2008, 09:01:19 PM
Wel the journal entry would imply that the mole was hit by the paintball whic narrows it down to Nicole and Craig. Mark is off the radar and has been off the radar since that other journal enty when they did the Soccer game. Mark wouldnt comment on the soccer game if he were the mole because he was running up the hill with kristen.

Now in reference to the "Reflect" clue card if you reflect that word from the perspective it is shown then you get it showed normally instead of with the  mirror effect. So there froe it would imply that The Mole had a regular perspective. Thuis would point toward Nicole because she had the camera.

I must admit since my Paul theories were shot down i didnt know who it was but now im positive its Nicole.

Why cant ABC.com put these damn journal entires up after the episode. Also it seems like theyre will be a journal entry for episode 9.. Does this mean we will se that execution before the reunion?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: breanainneire on August 01, 2008, 11:12:03 PM
I think I might have just deciphered a big clue. Back in a thread talking about episode 3, someone noticed that while Jon was telling the players at the spa about the clothes mission, a clock in the background suspiciously gave a different time. Slowhatch said: "Also, if you tell players "it's already after 4 o'clock," don't be standing next to a wall clock that shows 2:46 p.m." I decided to check this out for myself, and here's what I found:

The first shot of the clock shows it displaying a time of 14:26 (or 2:26 pm). (Sorry if the pictures aren't very good.)

Later, after a commercial break, the same thing replays, but then there is a closer up shot of Jon with the clock on the right edge of the picture. This time the clock read 14:4... with the last digit slightly obscure. I was able to get a picture that showed enough of the last digit to reveal that it is a 2 (Check it out with a calculator: no other number works with the image). Thus, the time shows 14:42.

After that, there is a wider shot similar to the first that shows a time of 14:26 again. (So the clock never actually says 14:46.) Jon then says that they have reservations for 6:30 and that it is already past 4.

So, the clock, which suspiciously doesn't show the right time, suspiciously jumps forward 16 minutes and then back again in the space of 10 seconds.

Now for the interesting part. I have previously seen people trying to match up groups of numbers found in the show to passages from the Book of Mark from the Bible to see if they're clues that point to Mark as the mole. I decided to do this and looked up Mark 14:42 (the numbers even have the colon in the right spot). Here, Jesus says to his disciples, "Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!”  

If that isn't a clue, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on August 02, 2008, 02:27:57 AM
:waves:

Ok, couple things that are bugging me about this.

1) Why does the word Mole appear first on the second line? In addition, the word game isnt actually completed either.

2) In the postcard thing, on the first line. If you look, the word kind is spelt wrong (knid), and the word of is rather spaced out compared to the other time the word of appears. Any ideas on that one, or just another goofup?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: s1 on August 02, 2008, 05:49:01 AM
From the Mole's Journal - why is it written in all capital letters except for the i's which are lowercase?  Also as pointed out above kind is misspelled knid.  K'ni'd - whose name does this make you think of - 'Ni'cole maybe.  And something that my son pointed out to me early in the game about NICOLE's name.   Take the N & I and and put them together and you get an M.  Take the C & O and overlap them and you get an O.  Combine with the remaining letters and you get MOLE. 

Personality wise I don't think of Nicole as the Mole but they could be using reverse psychology this season and making the Mole more noticable (and less likeable) so therefore less suspected.  I picked Craig week 1 as the Mole from personality alone.  Loveable, easy going, teddy bear type who is overlooked because of his size.  He isn't expected to be fast so if he fails a challenge it is attributed to lack of ability not Mole activity.   If it is Mark they've done well with his persona.  High strung but likeable.  Intelligent and highly competitive.  Did they burn the Journals just to throw suspicion away from Mark since he was the only one to blow a gasket for fear that taking away his journal would get him eliminated.  The Mole has no worries in that department so the situation could have been created to cast doubt if others had been getting too close to guessing Mark as the MOle.  The weekly tests give them a good idea of whether or not the Mole's cover is still in place. 

The reveal show should be interesting.  Can't wait to find out what clues we picked up on correctly, what was misdirection and what totally sailed over our heads completely unnoticed.   I don't expect much to fall into that last category.  We have great sleuths  :tup:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on August 02, 2008, 12:07:57 PM
Notice there is an eye in the ink blotch below "Mile?"
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on August 02, 2008, 02:55:17 PM
some thoughts regarding the journal entry and most are leading to Nicole for mole (which i was so hoping they wouldn't)

1. the doublets shown....none of them are complete or accurate solutions. The first column would be if you removed the word 'bail'. The others, at first blush, look complete but they're not.  Who was the one in the episode who submitted an answer but had a mistake on it? Nicole


2. The doublet at the bottom, however, has "mole...male" glaringly out of place. THis is the only indication that i can see that the mole could be a male. Combine this with the screen cap floating around of a shot of mark exiting his cell with the words "male...mole" over his shoulder and you might have something!

3. The green paint comment limits it to Nicole & Craig.

4. THe mispelled postcard to Paul i believe was just in mockary of his inability to spell.

5. At the bottom of the postcard, however, the mole says "we'll miss you. (sort of)". I'm not sure the exact words Nicole used, but she said something at the end of the episode to the effect of "I'm sort of going to miss him." I'll have to double check but i'm pretty sure she used the word 'sort of'

6. does anyone remember on which side of the child's block the shape pieces were sitting? this would  give a good idea as to the Mole's viewpoint. (from video cam side, or from blindfolded side)

7. cool catch on the eye below the doublet. can't figure out what it would mean.

8. The all caps and small i are simply the font. nothing more.

Something Paul said in the episode got me. At the dinner table, he outright said he believes Nicole is NOT the mole, that he had pegged one of the two guys from the beginning. This just seemed so incredibly out there and absolute and Nicole didn't seem to even flinch. At that moment i thought "holy crap! i bet she turns out to be the mole then!" you know, irony of ironies and foreshadowing and all that.

i really hope she isn't though.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on August 02, 2008, 04:04:21 PM
2. The doublet at the bottom, however, has "mole...male" glaringly out of place. THis is the only indication that i can see that the mole could be a male. Combine this with the screen cap floating around of a shot of mark exiting his cell with the words "male...mole" over his shoulder and you might have something!


I've seen that shot but dismissed it as being nothing.  If it does indeed turn out to be something then perhaps it only tells us the mole is a male.

I prefer this one myself.  lol  Looks like a mole caught in headlights.


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/craigmole.jpg)




Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on August 03, 2008, 10:54:15 AM
Is this another clue pointing to Nicole as the mole :duno:

As the players assembled at the beginning of the CELL to MOLE task, the camera held on a closeup of sign "3" on one of the cell doors, it was the only such number shown in closeup.  When Jon asked the players to select a cell, Nicole very quickly said "number 3".  Coincidence? or clue that whomever selected Number 3 was the mole?

Also note that when the four players were appoaching their chairs for the results of the quiz the three men all carried their journals with them.  Nicole did not carry a journal.  Coincidence?

The three men were again all dressed in black (except for Craigs bright red sneakers) while Nicole stood out in her patterned dress.  Coincidence?

Or were Craig's red sneakers a sign that he was Mestophocles   or The Mole?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Belle Book on August 03, 2008, 04:06:48 PM
The "Oh Paul, I hate to admit it but you kind of grew on me" certainly seems to me to suggest Nicole to me.  She would be the kind of person who would hate to admit that somebody who's a lot like her would actually grow on her.  But of course, it could still be Craig as he didn't like Paul either.  Still, the phrasing suggests Nicole to me.  So she moves just a little ahead of Craig, with Mark still way behind in my suspicions (but still a suspect).

Belle Book
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on August 03, 2008, 06:59:55 PM
On the postcard does the use of quotation marks ["] instead of apostophies ['] have any significance?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mrs Shrek on August 03, 2008, 11:45:54 PM
On the postcard does the use of quotation marks ["] instead of apostophies ['] have any significance?

I believe it's just part of the font they use
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on August 04, 2008, 06:43:09 AM

Welcome to this weeks episode of:


GUESS THE OUTCOME



Tonight we find our mole hunters in the difficult position of having to solve a puzzle in 60 minutes in order to defuse a bomb and keep it from blowing $50,000 to smithereens.

The video which puddin linked for us in the episode 9 video thread shows that our trio have found what they think to be the correct answer and with less than one minute left head to the bomb to cut the proper wire and save their money.

They have the wire.......wire cutters are in place.......time ticking down......ready to cut........but of course a problem ensues.  They start to chatter and wonder if the wire is the correct one, etc.  Ohhhhh, the tension.  All that money on the line.  Cut the wire and the mole was unsuccessful.  The three of the are seen in what appears to be a happy moment of celebration.  Yeaaaa molehunters.  But does it happen?

The sneek peek video released on ABC also shows the bomb defusing mission also.  Toward the end we hear the bomb ticking.....then ticking even faster......just like in the movies when with 1 or 2 seconds left the hero triumphs and deactivates the bomb saving dozens of schoolchildren or a busload of cheerleaders.

But I wonder if it happens.  So I am going to try and GUESS THE OUTCOME.

The celebratory pose the three are in says to me that they succeed in stopping the bomb in time.  Jon walks in and tells the group:  "Congratulations, you have successfully defused the bomb".  A moment of silence from him to let the players look happy.......and then......."but we have a problem".  "During the mission, there was interference with the timekeeping device.  The second hand was prevented from moving for 6 seconds, and since you cut the wire with only 2 seconds remaining, you were actually 4 seconds late and the bomb should have detonated.  Therefore, you are penalized 4 seconds and DO NOT win any money for the pot".

All this probably does not happen but I am posting it for 2 reasons.  First, I like this outcome better than if they succeed and win the money.  Second, in the video on ABC Craig walks over and stops the clock from moving.




(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/clock.jpg)


You can see Nicole standing by the board working on the solution, Mark is back by the blue wall, and Craig apparently walks over to the clock to see how much time they have left.  He grabs the second hand and it quits moving but you can't tell how long he holds it because the shot cuts away.

I like surprises so I am guessing this outcome.  Anyone else want to play and take a shot at it?



Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on August 04, 2008, 08:49:19 AM

Welcome to this weeks episode of:


GUESS THE OUTCOME



Tonight we find our mole hunters in the difficult position of having to solve a puzzle in 60 minutes in order to defuse a bomb and keep it from blowing $50,000 to smithereens.

The video which puddin linked for us in the episode 9 video thread shows that our trio have found what they think to be the correct answer and with less than one minute left head to the bomb to cut the proper wire and save their money.

They have the wire.......wire cutters are in place.......time ticking down......ready to cut........but of course a problem ensues.  They start to chatter and wonder if the wire is the correct one, etc.  Ohhhhh, the tension.  All that money on the line.  Cut the wire and the mole was unsuccessful.  The three of the are seen in what appears to be a happy moment of celebration.  Yeaaaa molehunters.  But does it happen?

The sneek peek video released on ABC also shows the bomb defusing mission also.  Toward the end we hear the bomb ticking.....then ticking even faster......just like in the movies when with 1 or 2 seconds left the hero triumphs and deactivates the bomb saving dozens of schoolchildren or a busload of cheerleaders.

But I wonder if it happens.  So I am going to try and GUESS THE OUTCOME.

The celebratory pose the three are in says to me that they succeed in stopping the bomb in time.  Jon walks in and tells the group:  "Congratulations, you have successfully defused the bomb".  A moment of silence from him to let the players look happy.......and then......."but we have a problem".  "During the mission, there was interference with the timekeeping device.  The second hand was prevented from moving for 6 seconds, and since you cut the wire with only 2 seconds remaining, you were actually 4 seconds late and the bomb should have detonated.  Therefore, you are penalized 4 seconds and DO NOT win any money for the pot".

All this probably does not happen but I am posting it for 2 reasons.  First, I like this outcome better than if they succeed and win the money.  Second, in the video on ABC Craig walks over and stops the clock from moving.




(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/clock.jpg)


You can see Nicole standing by the board working on the solution, Mark is back by the blue wall, and Craig apparently walks over to the clock to see how much time they have left.  He grabs the second hand and it quits moving but you can't tell how long he holds it because the shot cuts away.

I like surprises so I am guessing this outcome.  Anyone else want to play and take a shot at it?






I love this theory!!! I really hope that something happens to night that’s totally unexpected molerific!!! Since I have been on board the  "Craig is The Mole" train sine the second episode, I truly love the sneak Craig sabotage! I am sooo excited for tonight’s episode, but can't believe I have to wait another week to find out everything!!!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on August 04, 2008, 10:13:17 AM

One more post.  I can't stand Nicole so I hate to toss anything her way but what the heck.

Notice anything strange about this picture from last weeks episode?


(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/knuckles487/mark-ep8.jpg)



The room Mark is in is located in Mendoza and was used for confessionals at the end of episode 4 and most of episode 5. Those were the only episodes we seen this room until now. During episode 5 Mark has confessionals in this room that were shown during the All for One mission. He had been talking about whether he could trust Nicole and if she might take the exemption from the cage if they let her get unchained.

During this confessional in episode 8 his words were: "Nicole could either be the mole or a great manipulator of the game. If she is here tomorrow you just have to watch out for her".

I'm sure he said this while talking about her and the chain mission, but this particular comment wasn't shown until toward the end of the show last week. My question is WHY? Why show that particular comment now, three episodes later? Was there nothing similar said now that could have been used? Since it was shown just before the final 4 took the quiz is it meant to foreshadow that she is the winner since she is "still here tomorrow"? Or is it meant to foreshadow that she is the mole? I doubt that last one but I am thinking the winner thing could be a possibility.


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Post by: elomkram on August 04, 2008, 10:19:57 AM
Vermicious KNIDWikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Cite This Source


Vermicious knids are a fictional species of amorphous, shape-shifting monsters  that invade the Space Hotel USA in Roald Dahl's Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator, the sequel to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. They are also mentioned in the 1971 feature film adaptation, Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory, except on this occasion they are referred to as being one of the species that inhabits Loompaland.

Description
In their natural form, vermicious knids are huge, dark, egg-shaped beings that are quite at home in the vacuum of space. They attack space vessels by ramming them, pointy-end first. Their homeworld is the planet Vermes.

Their one weak point is that they are show-offs; they cannot resist shaping themselves to spell the one word they know how to spell--SCRAM--before they attack.-----------------------


SCRAM-------REFLECT-----------MARCS----------------- MARK IS THE MOLE
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Pearlgirl4221 on August 04, 2008, 12:47:49 PM
Does Any one have the text clue for week nine???
 Also any ideas about this weeks abc clue: 7..26..52???
So far no light bulbs for me but I am still working on it.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on August 04, 2008, 01:22:40 PM
knuckles....where is the video that includes craig holding the timer? I found one puddin posted of the sneak peek but it didn't show craig.

in that sneak peek, it shows a green laser coming out of the minute hand. I'm thinking that perhaps at particular times, the laser points to a letter on the wall or onto the map or something. Notice in the screeen caps above, there is a "45 minutes" and "15 minutes" written next to a couple of the city locations.

I'm wondering, since there is a digital timer hooked to the wires with a readout of the time left, that the clock in the middle isn't really counting down the time but is used as a pointer. Craig could have just been holding it at a certain spot so Mark (since nicole is top of screen) could pinpoint what the laser was  lighting up.

That being said, i LOVE your scenario! The only thing that concerns me is that it would give it away that Craig is the mole. If Jon said "however, we have a problem. Craig held the timer for 6 seconds..." That would convince nicole and Mark that craig is the mole right then and there.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on August 04, 2008, 01:38:15 PM
text clue thanks to the abc message boards

MAP REC

link to the preview
http://abc.go.com/primetime/themole/index?pn=index

youtubed when ready
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on August 04, 2008, 02:17:57 PM
Scrolling through the diary entries today, spotted something interesting.

Notice the picture in the entry.

Methinks that rules Craig out.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on August 04, 2008, 02:38:30 PM

That's a picture of Clay.


Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on August 04, 2008, 02:48:28 PM
I'm wondering, since there is a digital timer hooked to the wires with a readout of the time left, that the clock in the middle isn't really counting down the time but is used as a pointer. Craig could have just been holding it at a certain spot so Mark (since nicole is top of screen) could pinpoint what the laser was  lighting up.


I would think the clock is in no way actually connected to the digital timer.  I'm sure it is used to help decode the puzzle in some way but not as an actual timer.  You can also see Mark in the preview pushing the arm on the clock.  I was just saying my way would be more entertaining.  lmao


Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on August 04, 2008, 06:03:47 PM
What I find interesting about the doublets journal entry is that Craig's word "Moll" is in it. It only has a single strikethrough as opposed to the others that are double strikethroughs.

First of all, "moll???" I had to look that word up! Do you think Jon actually knew it was a word and a slang word at that and thus "approved" Craig's results?

Second, what's with the question marks? Do they correspond to anything or anyone? And why does the third column not have any?

Just some more of my scattered thoughts that might lead one of you more brilliant ones to an actual idea...  :bubs
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on August 04, 2008, 06:07:41 PM
Oh, and Dole Hole Pole. Dole Hole Pole. D H P. PHD.

Maybe?  Prolly not! :funny:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on August 04, 2008, 06:29:06 PM

That's a picture of Clay.





Or Paul which i was so sure that it was him. Anywhoo based off the Journal entries i can say this. Its definitely not mark because there are two entries that would contridict that.


#1- The mole commenting on the soccer game

#2- The mole making the paint comment about how it looked good on her.(lol yes i said her because i tink Nicole is the mole)

btw the cluecard is 7..26..52 and  7+26=33 and 33 is Nicole's age. Thats kinda me just alf assing a theory in her direction though.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on August 04, 2008, 07:06:24 PM
The ransom note has been bothering me since the When Pigs Fly challenge so I thought to take a look back at it. The one word that jumped out at me was "baby." With all the OBGYN thoughts flying around, it really stood out. Anyway, might be worth going back and watching the eppies while focusing on the final three. Some things might really start to make sense.

(http://i32.[banned image hosting site].com/2zxyzio.png)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on August 04, 2008, 07:10:11 PM
The ransom note has been bothering me since the When Pigs Fly challenge so I thought to take a look back at it. The one word that jumped out at me was "baby." With all the OBGYN thoughts flying around, it really stood out. Anyway, might be worth going back and watching the eppies while focusing on the final three. Some things might really start to make sense.

(http://i32.[banned image hosting site].com/2zxyzio.png)


are you talking about the  word being present in the note, because i see it too with the orange text cutouts.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on August 04, 2008, 07:16:08 PM
Does Any one have the text clue for week nine???
 Also any ideas about this weeks abc clue: 7..26..52???
So far no light bulbs for me but I am still working on it.


July 26, 1952 has a special significance in Argentina, it is the day that Eva Peron died.  It also shows up in a lyric by Madonna in the film "Evita".  Another happening of note is that an UFO was reported seen over Washington, DC.

It is also the day that King Karouk of Egypt abdicated.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on August 04, 2008, 07:21:35 PM
The ransom note has been bothering me since the When Pigs Fly challenge so I thought to take a look back at it. The one word that jumped out at me was "baby." With all the OBGYN thoughts flying around, it really stood out. Anyway, might be worth going back and watching the eppies while focusing on the final three. Some things might really start to make sense.

(http://i32.[banned image hosting site].com/2zxyzio.png)

I may be blind but I don't see "baby", I do see "bapy"   Where is the second "B'
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mrs Shrek on August 04, 2008, 07:36:45 PM

(http://i32.[banned image hosting site].com/2zxyzio.png)

I may be blind but I don't see "baby", I do see "bapy"   Where is the second "B'

Just look at the orange letters g-man
A in first line
Y in 6th line
B in 7th line
B in 8th line
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on August 04, 2008, 08:32:03 PM
I'm almost positive that the aybb thing is just a fluke.

There is a G, L, H, F that all have the same colour/font too.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: eazeymac91 on August 04, 2008, 09:11:54 PM
Did you guys hear the sound before the commericial when the screen said The Mole I couldn't make it out. If possible could someone slow it down
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jamesc on August 04, 2008, 09:42:57 PM
Ok, I heard the sounds before the commercials decided to go back on the DVR, record it and toy with it.

The first part is the original audio, then reversed, then finally reversed and slowed down.

I guess this could be considered (major?) SPOILER MATERIAL

so listen at your own risk

http://www.swbcrew.com/moleclue.mp3 (http://www.swbcrew.com/moleclue.mp3)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: eazeymac91 on August 04, 2008, 10:20:45 PM
If it is what it sounds like we now know who the mole is
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: olivesandhummus on August 04, 2008, 10:25:33 PM
I can't make out what it says. The first word must be Craig, but what follows that? The best I can come up with is "Craig very cold". I can't make out the word "mole" anywhere. Is there any way to make it slower? Or does anyone else have a more accurate guess??
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: nightwolf on August 04, 2008, 10:38:07 PM
Craig buried Paul
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on August 05, 2008, 01:15:54 AM
Wow i think we all know who the mole is . but its abit odd that Paul didnt get it with Craig in mind as the Mole. Anywhoo this episode was filled with another clue. Craig said he wanted to own his own business and theres a journal entry with the mole saying that they wanted to own their own business and craig openly said that tonight.So my  predictions for the reunion show are as follows:

Prediction #1

The Mole- Craig
The Winner- Mark
The Runner-up- Nicole



Back-upPrediction

The Mole- Nicole
The Winner-Mark
The Runner up- Craig

Also it seems very suspicious that he found the map pulling device.

Another thing to look at  is the final three  from the previous seasons

S1- Steve-Kathyrn-Jim

S2- Dorothy-Bill Heather

S3-Kathy-Frederique-Erik

S4- Dennis-Angie-Mark

and now S5- Mark-Nicole-Craig

in seasons 1,2, and 4 there has been at least twomembers of one gender while only one of another and the person who is the opposite of the two people who are opposite of thier gender is the mole

So for example We have in season 1 Jim and Stee when kathryn is the mole or..
dennis and mark while Angie is the mole. So going by that logic its still a slight chance that nicole is The Mole
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on August 05, 2008, 02:03:01 AM
I have to wonder though, even if it says what people think it says, does it prove the identity of the mole or otherwise? Yes, it states a fact but it is really stretching it to say _____is the mole. doesn't really sound like that at all.

One thing i'm really curious about....the dossier. Would the Mole producers want the Mole to get the dossier? or would they want them so far away that it was impossible to get to it before an actual player did?  The reason i asked this, is cause i got curious how far away the players were from the final destination (the pointy thing on the bridge). So i went to Google Earth and plotted Craig at Eva Peron's grave and Mark at the National Congress BUilding. I couldn't plot Nicole cause, well, who knows where here final clue would have been.

The map with their locations can be found here:

http://members.shaw.ca/squeezedrabbit/mole/screencaps/location.jpg

Even with Mark going the wrong direction (for how long, who knows), i don't think there's a snowball's chance in the fiery bowels of you know where of ever making it to the bridge before Mark. Since last i checked, Craig's not a crow and cannot fly directly there, he's going to have to go the same distance as Mark all the way to the water THEN walk alllllllll the way down to the bridge. It's over double the distance Mark had to go, which is a straight shot btw.

Perhaps Craig is the mole and they wanted to ensure he didn't get the dossier before anyone else. But wouldn't that have been easy enough to do by slacking off like Nicole did? OR, is it more likely that the producers wanted to ensure the Mole got to the dossier first, thus putting Mark much much closer to the bridge than Craig?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on August 05, 2008, 02:09:40 AM
I think ultimately its up to the mole because a smilar challenge was in season 2 and the mole ended up getting the dossier.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on August 05, 2008, 08:11:21 AM
Does the mole get ALL of the money that fails to go in the pot?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: elomkram on August 05, 2008, 09:25:44 AM
here is the map with nicole's position added - - mark is the best mole ever
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: soy on August 05, 2008, 11:57:51 AM
The ransom note has been bothering me since the When Pigs Fly challenge so I thought to take a look back at it. The one word that jumped out at me was "baby." With all the OBGYN thoughts flying around, it really stood out. Anyway, might be worth going back and watching the eppies while focusing on the final three. Some things might really start to make sense.

(http://i32.[banned image hosting site].com/2zxyzio.png)

Is Mark's wife expecting a baby?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: elomkram on August 05, 2008, 12:18:13 PM

yes the mole's wife is expecting a baby
yes the mole's wife is expecting a baby
yes the mole's wife is expecting a baby
yes the mole's wife is expecting a baby
yes the mole's wife is expecting a baby
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: marukisu on August 05, 2008, 02:03:23 PM
Im Tlling you . I know i was wrong about Paul but theres no wayy Mark is the mole. There are two journal entries that would contradict that
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Texan on August 05, 2008, 02:30:03 PM
I can not screen cap tv but when Mark was looking at the mole info... at the top of the paper before he put it away it had Nicole in a water mark at the top.  Can anyone capture that.  Not sure if they are giving info on her or what
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on August 05, 2008, 02:35:34 PM
here is the map with nicole's position added - - mark is the best mole ever


was that Nicole's last known whereabouts or was that the site of her last location, the one where she would have received the picture of the bridge??

I didn't know for sure which one it was so i didn't plot it on the map. If you can confirm for me that it was her very last clue location, i'll update my map with it.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: elTopo on August 05, 2008, 02:58:52 PM
Im Tlling you . I know i was wrong about Paul but theres no wayy Mark is the mole. There are two journal entries that would contradict that

i'm a markfomo as well. the last episode really is making me think the mole is craig though... especially in tick tock boom. craig NEVER seems to help out with missions and this time he just randomly seemed to have all the answers. i think someone mentioned earlier how in the 1st season and 2nd too the producers told the Mole to help out a lot in the last mission and gave them all of the answers

and maybe im speaking for all markfomo's... maybe not. its not that i necessarily believe mark is the mole... its more so that i would LOVE to see mark as the mole because he would truly make a great mole. he's sabotaged in ways that hardly seem like sabotaging at the same time keeping a highly competitive facade to throw people off. craig is the person i would least like to see as the mole. what was his strategy anyway? hide in the background and let all the other players do the sabotaging? he never helped with a mission (besides tick tock boom) but never intentionally sabotaged one either (except for the one with the llama costume).


if the mole is someone hired by ABC to SABOTAGE the game than I don't think craig deserves to be paid   :groan:

however nicole could be the mole as well... that would be better than craig at least

i WISH the mole would be mark... but my prediction is
craig-mole
mark-winner
nicole-going home
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: therealmoflife on August 05, 2008, 03:18:49 PM
I don't know.  If the mole is craig...nicole seemed to be on to him.  So I think that nicole will be the winner.  because mark has been after nicole.  craig's never really said anything about who he is after, nor has he said anything about the money.  suspicious....
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Aventus on August 05, 2008, 03:27:19 PM
I have been reading all the comments and theories (and oh wow, you guys have some serious talents... and here I was thinking that the investigations were restrict to TAR and a tad to Survivor sections), and u guys really deserve kuddos.

Personally, I think Craig is the mole.
Nicole could be it, but I think all the "sabotages" she did was just part of her strategy and personality.
Mark, well, I really didn't saw much mole activity of his part. Much of what he did to lose money was for his best interest (not purely losing money to the pot, but getting vital information, exemptions and so on).

With this in mind, I just wanted to add those peace of infos that would point to Nicole (altought the last one didn't seen to have been added digitally, so if it was the case, I think it would been a little to obvious to the person who was reading it).

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2569/smileqc3.jpg)
Look at that "smile" on the top right of the Digital.

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1227/smile2lj0.jpg)
Now, on the subsequent scene, we are shown this, with Nicole using a smily shirt.

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1150/bscap0001rr2.jpg)
The Dossie being read by Mark with a name... reflected for us.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Cincy-David on August 05, 2008, 03:28:37 PM
COMPILED From other members.

More Reasons Craig is the Mole:

I am sticking with my Craig is the Mole Theory. Here are some more clues.



July 26, 1952 has a special significance in Argentina, it is the day that Eva Peron died. This could point to Craig...+

Another Clue : Craig said he wanted to own his own business and theres a journal entry with the mole saying that they wanted to own their own business and craig openly said that tonight.

Take a listen to this: Ok, I heard the sounds before the commercials decided to go back on the DVR, record it and toy with it. The first part is the original audio, then reversed, then finally reversed and slowed down. I guess this could be considered (major?) SPOILER MATERIAL so listen at your own risk

http://www.swbcrew.com/moleclue.mp3

One thing i'm really curious about....the dossier. Would the Mole producers want the Mole to get the dossier? or would they want them so far away that it was impossible to get to it before an actual player did? The reason i asked this, is cause i got curious how far away the players were from the final destination (the pointy thing on the bridge). So i went to Google Earth and plotted Craig at Eva Peron's grave and Mark at the National Congress Building. I couldn't plot Nicole cause, well, who knows where here final clue would have been.

The map with their locations can be found here:

http://members.shaw.ca/squeezedrabbi...s/location.jpg

I don't think there's a snowball's chance in the fiery bowels of you know where of Craig ever making it to the bridge before Mark. Since last i checked, Craig's not a crow and cannot fly directly there, he's going to have to go the same distance as Mark all the way to the water THEN walk alllllllll the way down to the bridge. It's over double the distance Mark had to go, which is a straight shot btw.

Perhaps Craig is the mole and they wanted to ensure he didn't get the dossier before anyone else. But wouldn't that have been easy enough to do by slacking off like Nicole did? OR, is it more likely that the producers wanted to ensure the Mole got to the dossier first, thus putting Mark much much closer to the bridge than Craig?
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Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Aventus on August 05, 2008, 03:37:03 PM
The distance from the last clue to the bridge means nothing because, supposedly (that's only because we never get to see them choosing the envelops), they pick it at random, as Jon stated "In just a moment I will ask you all to select one of three envelops..."
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on August 05, 2008, 03:51:12 PM


if the mole is someone hired by ABC to SABOTAGE the game than I don't think craig deserves to be paid   :groan:

EP1: Craig missed the bag of money. He also brought nothing back from the beach other than a sign from the mole.

EP2: Craig didn't help in soccer, was super slow getting to the funicular and told Bobby to sit in the wheelbarrow, bringing no pigs back.

EP3: talked after the finish line on the luge, found the clothes but only *after* everyone else had found new clothing. Still, he was deemed the hero.

EP4: Craig slowly made his way up the mountain. almost succeeded in running out of time. Didn't participate in the "who said that" game.

EP5: Ok craig did nothing on the chains challenge, but more than made up for it by taking the exemption in the llama challenge.

EP6: Missed the target (but so did everyone else 'cept alex). Seemed to be of very little help in solving the brain teasers.

EP7: Craig tried confusing Nicole with incorrect number totals then placed himself in the position to be the one entering in the code that worked, thus being the hero again.

EP8: Craig conveniently had the exemption card and seemed to not even be trying to hide when he got hit. IN the blindfolded challenge, he went painfully slow on the high beam, bumped the table which spilled the tea and asked Nicole a question to which she answered.

EP9: He actually helped win money for the pot for once.


I don't think the Mole has to blatantly sabotage things (like Nicole does) in order to sabotage them. Just by slowing people down, eating time away, and making others have to solve the clues are all excellent ways to keep money out of the pot. Picture a 2 person team rowing across the river. If one team member doesn't row very much or even drags his oar in the water a bit, it'll be nigh impossible for the other rower to succeed in rowing across the river. He doesn't have to take an axe to the bottom of the boat, blatantly sabotaging the progress. He just has to hinder. Craig did that.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on August 05, 2008, 04:50:28 PM
COMPILED From other members.

More Reasons Craig is the Mole:

I am sticking with my Craig is the Mole Theory. Here are some more clues.



July 26, 1952 has a special significance in Argentina, it is the day that Eva Peron died. This could point to Craig...+

Another Clue : Craig said he wanted to own his own business and theres a journal entry with the mole saying that they wanted to own their own business and craig openly said that tonight.

Take a listen to this: Ok, I heard the sounds before the commercials decided to go back on the DVR, record it and toy with it. The first part is the original audio, then reversed, then finally reversed and slowed down. I guess this could be considered (major?) SPOILER MATERIAL so listen at your own risk

http://www.swbcrew.com/moleclue.mp3

One thing i'm really curious about....the dossier. Would the Mole producers want the Mole to get the dossier? or would they want them so far away that it was impossible to get to it before an actual player did? The reason i asked this, is cause i got curious how far away the players were from the final destination (the pointy thing on the bridge). So i went to Google Earth and plotted Craig at Eva Peron's grave and Mark at the National Congress Building. I couldn't plot Nicole cause, well, who knows where here final clue would have been.

The map with their locations can be found here:

http://members.shaw.ca/squeezedrabbi...s/location.jpg

I don't think there's a snowball's chance in the fiery bowels of you know where of Craig ever making it to the bridge before Mark. Since last i checked, Craig's not a crow and cannot fly directly there, he's going to have to go the same distance as Mark all the way to the water THEN walk alllllllll the way down to the bridge. It's over double the distance Mark had to go, which is a straight shot btw.

Perhaps Craig is the mole and they wanted to ensure he didn't get the dossier before anyone else. But wouldn't that have been easy enough to do by slacking off like Nicole did? OR, is it more likely that the producers wanted to ensure the Mole got to the dossier first, thus putting Mark much much closer to the bridge than Craig?
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Very interesting stuff with the audio.  Good work.

Although I think the dossier thing doesn't mean much.  Bill was the mole in season two and he got to the dossier first and decided to burn it in favor of adding money to the pot.  And like someone said, the three envelopes were random.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on August 05, 2008, 05:04:28 PM
I think I might have just deciphered a big clue. Back in a thread talking about episode 3, someone noticed that while Jon was telling the players at the spa about the clothes mission, a clock in the background suspiciously gave a different time. Slowhatch said: "Also, if you tell players "it's already after 4 o'clock," don't be standing next to a wall clock that shows 2:46 p.m." I decided to check this out for myself, and here's what I found:

The first shot of the clock shows it displaying a time of 14:26 (or 2:26 pm). (Sorry if the pictures aren't very good.)

Later, after a commercial break, the same thing replays, but then there is a closer up shot of Jon with the clock on the right edge of the picture. This time the clock read 14:4... with the last digit slightly obscure. I was able to get a picture that showed enough of the last digit to reveal that it is a 2 (Check it out with a calculator: no other number works with the image). Thus, the time shows 14:42.

After that, there is a wider shot similar to the first that shows a time of 14:26 again. (So the clock never actually says 14:46.) Jon then says that they have reservations for 6:30 and that it is already past 4.

So, the clock, which suspiciously doesn't show the right time, suspiciously jumps forward 16 minutes and then back again in the space of 10 seconds.

Now for the interesting part. I have previously seen people trying to match up groups of numbers found in the show to passages from the Book of Mark from the Bible to see if they're clues that point to Mark as the mole. I decided to do this and looked up Mark 14:42 (the numbers even have the colon in the right spot). Here, Jesus says to his disciples, "Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!”  

If that isn't a clue, I don't know what is.


I definitely think this COULD be a clue because it seems more in style with the traditional clues given out on The Mole.  The only explanation I can think for it otherwise is reshoots.  Maybe Jon didn't deliver a line perfectly so once the players left to start their mission they had him resay it from an angle where the spots the players would be standing in couldn't be seen.  Right or wrong that's some interesting detective work.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on August 05, 2008, 05:21:36 PM
Unless the players told the others some tidbits about their audition applications, Quiz question #18 seems to be something that could be found only in the dossier. It's the only non-game question.

Also, does anyone know which of the answers could pertain to Nicole? According to their bios on ABC's website, none of them are Nicole.

Question 18: Which of the following facts did the Mole highlight in their player application?

Went to Thailand after tsunami Craig
Hates people who complain Mark? His bio says he has no patience for whiners.
Has a 143 I.Q. Mark
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: therealmoflife on August 05, 2008, 05:55:15 PM
Hasn't Nicole said on multiple occasions that she hates people who complain.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on August 05, 2008, 10:34:16 PM
i dunno. i was hoping y'all knew. Seems kind of ironical though considering she was voted the biggest whiner by the group. She constantly is crabbing about something or another, last eppy being a prime example.

but i guess it would HAVE to be  her or there wouldn't be one for each player.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: eazeymac91 on August 06, 2008, 07:58:52 AM
I just found something in the mole journal that may or may not have been mentioned( and may or not be a clued).  On one of Episode Eights pages( I think its the second one) there is green paint splattered on the pages as if a paintball hit it. Now by process of elimination Craig and Nicole were the only ones hit by the paintballs and they actually splattered on them.  If i remember correctly the paintballs paint was green. Could this be a clue pointing us away from Mark and pointing us more toward Craig with the combination of the audio clue?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Aimbo on August 06, 2008, 11:25:28 AM
The green paint from the paintball game has already been mentioned as a clue, but it is a good one.  I don't think it counts Mark out though since he was the one firing the green shots it could still be "his" color....

This is my first time posting so I have a few random observations...

1.  Anyone think it might be relevant that Nicole was wearing a green shirt in the next episode?

2.  Anyone think Craig randomly "knows" a lot of things?  How to fire a pig from a slingshot?  "Oh look, our clothes in this here laundromat"?  A map hidden in the ceiling?

3. After learning from past seasons that the winners of The Mole had formed alliances, I would think that the producers would ask the mole to adopt this same strategy to throw people off his/her trail this year.  Anyone these top 3 formed friendships with was evicted...
Craig +Bobby
Nicole + Clay
Mark + Clay

4. Mark has been subtly slowing down a LOT of tasks, the way he freaked out when they were all chained together, the last task, etc.  (As well as the obvious not doing the underwear task OR the transportation task AND him conveniently being not part of the soccer game) I would LOVE it to be him.

5. Mark did nothing to calm down Paul and Clay in the van ride...he tried to stay as invisible as possible... the mole LOVES it when there is disharmony in the group.

6. The producers could have cast Craig as the mole... aside from him being hard to blame for being slow due to his size, a few tasks (the laundromat task and the last task requiring him to either try on a leather jacket or game jersey depending on the envelope he picked out) would make his physical size hard for him to complete!  It would be hard for the team to blame him for not being able to find clothes to fit him when he's that large... it falls under the "it's not his fault" category.

7.  Episode 5, what kind of flowers were at the end of the table?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Belle Book on August 06, 2008, 06:15:00 PM
I have a couple of observations of my own in the show:

1.  Both Craig and Mark mentioned just before the final quiz that they wanted the money.  Nicole did not.  Could that mean she is the Mole?  Or are either Craig or Mark trying to throw us off?

2.  Jon mentioned that it was the Last Supper at their final supper.  The Last Supper is in all four of the Gospels, and Mark has the same name as the author of the Gospel of Mark.  Is Mark the Mole?

3.  Mark decided to read the dossier.  Normally, I would think that this is proof that Mark isn't the Mole, and I still don't really think that he's the Mole.  But I read a Fantasy Mole story where one contestant (her name was Holly) was the first one to reach the location of the Mole dossier and she chose to read it.  I was absolutely convinced she wasn't the Mole -- and she was!  So I can't totally eliminate Mark as a suspect.

Belle Book
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Big Eric on August 06, 2008, 09:44:53 PM
I have only watched episode 9 of this show, but was a huge follower of season 2 and understand that show and how it works. Just from episode 9, I could tell that Craig was the mole. Just from the huge clue in episode 9, that giant piece of artwork that they were at during the final test. It was a huge flower sculpture. The bridge that they were at was a huge piece of art. I think the mole is an artist. Jeezem that's Craig. I've read the past few pages here and haven't seen either the bridge or the flower being cited as clues to who the mole is. Forgive me if it's been mentioned before, but I searched and didn't find it.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: p1a55b1idii on August 07, 2008, 01:40:56 AM
Why is Craig the only one to have his age actually labelled Age: in the intro?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: elomkram on August 07, 2008, 09:35:47 AM

MY PERSONAL ENDGAME SENARIO - no one has mentioned yet

craig chooses nicole as the mole
nicole chooses craig as the mole
both are wrong
mark is the best mole ever
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: TexasLady on August 07, 2008, 09:43:06 AM
I have only watched episode 9 of this show, but was a huge follower of season 2 and understand that show and how it works. Just from episode 9, I could tell that Craig was the mole. Just from the huge clue in episode 9, that giant piece of artwork that they were at during the final test. It was a huge flower sculpture. The bridge that they were at was a huge piece of art. I think the mole is an artist. Jeezem that's Craig. I've read the past few pages here and haven't seen either the bridge or the flower being cited as clues to who the mole is. Forgive me if it's been mentioned before, but I searched and didn't find it.

I'm handicapped because I never watched before this season, I've had my suspicions of Craig ever since the ambulance episode. I just don't know! All three are very good!

Welcome to RFF Big Eric. (And a big welcome to all our new members!) 

 :bigwelcome
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: TexasLady on August 07, 2008, 09:45:51 AM

MY PERSONAL ENDGAME SENARIO - no one has mentioned yet

craig chooses nicole as the mole
nicole chooses craig as the mole
both are wrong
mark is the best mole ever

If he is, hats off because he has really fooled me! (Didn't his wife say something like he could be the mole and even she wouldn't know?)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on August 07, 2008, 12:45:02 PM
:welcome2: to our new members BigEric and Aimbo! !

I still like this clue a lot, as well as the smokestack reflection one. I just know that means something, it is just what that is puzzling me! :lol:

But kudos to production for keeping us all guessing till the bitter end! And the biggest kudos of all to all of you for making this thread so fascinating! I am constantly in awe of all the things you all point out!

:ghug:

Interesting...

I was just rewatching the end of last week's episode in search of a game question answer--

And during the quiz, when they are showing the computer answers, on the question "When did the Mole see their loved one" the little white cursor arrow went straight to #3...

And #3 was Nicole.

I didn't see that cursor arrow used on any other questions at all, which made this one look pretty blatant.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/MoleEp7cursor.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on August 07, 2008, 06:10:38 PM
I still like this clue a lot, as well as the smokestack reflection one. I just know that means something, it is just what that is puzzling me! :lol:

Has anyone thought that maybe the E in Estrella backwards looks like a 3? Maybe it's just the one letter and not a word that we were supposed to pick out?

That would correspond with the quiz cursor pointing at the #3 question with an answer of "Third." Maybe a repeating clue?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on August 07, 2008, 08:19:19 PM
I guess this question in the last quiz explains why the Mole's online journal was edited to take out the word "blindfolded" huh?

Question 6: Where did the Mole sit during "Fruit of the Luge?"

1. In the front of the sled - None (blindfolded)
2. In the back of the sled - Mark, Nicole, Craig

Doesn't help us any!!!  :groan:  Just an observation....  :waves:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on August 07, 2008, 08:45:18 PM
One last observation from moi for now (I think). Ever notice how the quizzes have questions that only have one person as an answer to who the Mole is? They are all Yes or No answers. Such as, "During When Pigs Fly, was the Mole transported in a wheelbarrow for the majority of the time?" and "Did the Mole get inside of a sleeping bag during the All for One mission?". There are several of them and that one person has always ended up executed. Saying that, I scanned thru all the quizzes and MARK is the only one as far as I could tell who has never been pointed to in one of these types of questions.

Examples for Nicole and Craig include:

Nicole: "During the Who Said That mission, was The Mole's answer disqualified?"
Craig: "In the mission Tick Tock Boom, did the Mole cut the wire?" and "During the mission Go Figure, was the Mole wearing a hat?"

I just see a pattern here, but who knows.

Mark did lose the most money in the end, but only because of the dossier so who knows if that was just lucky. Otherwise, he would have been third in keeping money from the pot.

Go ahead. Call me crazy! I'll admit that this show drove me bonkers!  :jumpy:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: elTopo on August 08, 2008, 12:49:06 PM

Nicole: "During the Who Said That mission, was The Mole's answer disqualified?"


The way I interpretted that question, "Was The Mole's answer disqualified?" I thought it was for Kristen. Kristen was asked a questions and she gave an answer and in the end Kristen's answer she gave was disqualified. But I can see it your way too when I think about it... I still remember other questions only pointing out Nicole though so I see what you mean.

Another thing... I may have mentioned this before... but Estrella in Spanish means Star. I don't see how this helps any though.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on August 08, 2008, 01:25:56 PM
It's Rhyme Time for Nicole:

Too many visual on-air clues that point to one person as the mole

1.  N2O (seen on the wine barrel) which could be Nitrous Oxide a gas used by surgeons in some kinds of pregnancies.

2. STIs (the reflection seen in the factory window) which could be for ***ually Transmitted Infections which are treated by doctors

3.  Red Wine (seen at all the dinners, and close by Jon on several occassions) which could stand for Good Health a concern of doctors.

4.  The curser arrow pointing at "Third" which was Nicoles position in the question asked.

5.  The number "3" centered over one cell door and the same cell chosen by Nicole befoe the cell to mole task.

6.  The name "NICOLE" seen in reverse through the top of the first page in the mole's dossier as it was scanned by Mark.  The question here would be would the producers add the mole's name in such a big headline for Mark to see, or was it added in post-production for only the audience to see?

7.  In the opening title construction just before the letters finally turn into reading MOLE the letters form the word MOM.  An OBGYN doctor deals with moms and moms-to-be.  So could refer to Nicole.

These clues all follow the same pattern as the clues for Bill in The Mole 2 which centered on he being an admiral.

In conclusion, it seem all to lead to

                           THE MOLE IS NICOLE

Heck, it even rhymes. :hearts:

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: beagle on August 08, 2008, 03:32:39 PM
Hello everyone!  I have been reading this board since the season started, but this is my first post.  You guys have marvelous theories and are excellent at spotting clues.  I thought I would put in my two cents about the two monster clues that were given in EP 9: the sound and the watermark.
I definitely agree that the it sounds like "craig buried paul" and I believe that this is definitive proof of the mole's identity.
The reason that I don't put as much stock in the watermark is that I believe that the case contained dossiers of all three players, without defining which one is the mole.  That way, Mark could take his suspicion of who the mole is and be able to answer a question about him/her.  Therefore, I see the NICOLE watermark as a red herring.
I know that this argument is not ironclad, and if I'm wrong I'll laugh at myself  :funny:  I would much rather see Mark as the mole because he seems least likely at this point. 
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Slowhatch on August 08, 2008, 08:13:26 PM
For reference, here are the two finale videos:
that explain how clues were left for viewers and the other contestants. In Season 2, there was a clue every episode; in Season 1, only 4 or 5 clues scattered thoughout the season.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: therealmoflife on August 08, 2008, 09:30:26 PM
(http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v261/132/75/854339377/n854339377_621089_50.jpg)

(http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v261/132/75/854339377/n854339377_621088_9719.jpg)

I was looking through the mole's journal and found two things.  the first being on the page with latitude and longitude.  I keyed the coordinates into my GPS and they lead to San Diego, California.  Craig's Hometown.

The second is something else i can't make out...i can read "is the mole" but not what's before it can somebody check that, i circled it.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on August 09, 2008, 12:49:00 AM
hows that?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mrs Shrek on August 09, 2008, 02:29:38 AM
Does it say "success in the Mole"?

I don't see anything that looks like a name :duno:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: therealmoflife on August 09, 2008, 09:29:24 AM
i still think the coordinates are a clue though
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Cincy-David on August 09, 2008, 09:46:02 AM
Excellent therory about the GPS position and Craig.    I looked at that for hours and could find nothing.

I am sticking with Craig as the Mole until the fat lady sings.

http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v261/132/75/854339377/n854339377_621089_50.jpg
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on August 09, 2008, 11:19:24 AM
Does it say "success in the Mole"?

I don't see anything that looks like a name :duno:

It says "success in the mission" I believe.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on August 09, 2008, 12:22:03 PM
Not sure how you could have gotten San Diego with that.  Those coordinates are for downtown Los Angeles.

Craig IS the mole though.


Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on August 09, 2008, 01:58:07 PM

I was looking through the mole's journal and found two things.  the first being on the page with latitude and longitude.  I keyed the coordinates into my GPS and they lead to San Diego, California.  Craig's Hometown.

The second is something else i can't make out...i can read "is the mole" but not what's before it can somebody check that, i circled it.

Not sure how you could have gotten San Diego with that.  Those coordinates are for downtown Los Angeles.

Craig IS the mole though.




 :tup: on the coordinates

It's a spot in downtown L.A. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=34.05+N+118.25+W&ie=UTF8&ll=34.050199,-118.250037&spn=0.000627,0.001389&t=h&z=20); I don't get it.  :duno:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on August 09, 2008, 03:53:48 PM
It's Rhyme Time for Nicole:

Too many visual on-air clues that point to one person as the mole

1.  N2O (seen on the wine barrel) which could be Nitrous Oxide a gas used by surgeons in some kinds of pregnancies.

2. STIs (the reflection seen in the factory window) which could be for ***ually Transmitted Infections which are treated by doctors

3.  Red Wine (seen at all the dinners, and close by Jon on several occassions) which could stand for Good Health a concern of doctors.

4.  The curser arrow pointing at "Third" which was Nicoles position in the question asked.

5.  The number "3" centered over one cell door and the same cell chosen by Nicole befoe the cell to mole task.

6.  The name "NICOLE" seen in reverse through the top of the first page in the mole's dossier as it was scanned by Mark.  The question here would be would the producers add the mole's name in such a big headline for Mark to see, or was it added in post-production for only the audience to see?

These clues all follow the same pattern as the clues for Bill in The Mole 2 which centered on he being an admiral.

In conclusion, it seem all to lead to

                           THE MOLE IS NICOLE

Heck, it even rhymes. :hearts:



The problem with the doctor clues is that some of them are vague.   The wine one is really vague.  There are tons of things in everyday life that can be linking to being a doctor.  "Uh-oh!  Someone washed their hands!  Doctors wash their hands!  Nicole is the mole!"  See what I'm saying?  It's not that they aren't planting doctor clues as much as it is don't assume that everything is a doctor's clue.  Give the producers more credit than that.

Nicole's name being on the dossier is definitely interesting.  I would think it'd have to be added in post if it's a clue.  They're not just going to tell Mark who the mole is.  I wish that in some season of some series of the mole they showed us what type of information is in the dossier.  Is it notes about the mole themself?  Is it the mole's notes on the other players?  Is is the stuff we see on the ABC website?  There's just so much they don't tell us.  So I guess it's one of two things: it was either added in post like you said or the dossier is the mole's notes on other players.  So confusing!

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: KingCrimson88 on August 09, 2008, 06:33:40 PM
lol those clues are so damn vague and can point to a whole bunch of things, unlike the clues for Craig which are much more concrete.

I think the definitive clue this season is when Craig said he wanted to open his own business last episode. The moles journal from week 7 said that his goal was to run his own business. This is as concrete as it gets. Craig is the mole.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: eazeymac91 on August 09, 2008, 06:40:21 PM
I just read the clue and it was "the mole" blurred which makes me think its craig cause he wears glasses
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on August 09, 2008, 09:52:10 PM
If the clues for Craig are so much more concrete than the ones for Nicole, I wish someone would list what the clues are as seen in the on-air program.  These are the only clues which will be shown during the last program, items planted on the ABC website or in the "mole's diary" won't be considered during the final expose.  So what are the on-air clues for Craig?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on August 09, 2008, 10:59:33 PM
Any one notice how we are on the 5th season of the mole and Nicole is the fifth introduced? uh oh...... NICOLE IS THE MOLE lol.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on August 09, 2008, 11:20:19 PM
If the clues for Craig are so much more concrete than the ones for Nicole, I wish someone would list what the clues are as seen in the on-air program.  These are the only clues which will be shown during the last program, items planted on the ABC website or in the "mole's diary" won't be considered during the final expose.  So what are the on-air clues for Craig?



Ep 1:  At the Robinson Crusoe mission, Jon tells them the Crusoe story is based on the real life of Alexander Selkirk.  Selkirks given name at birth was Selcraig.  Too much of a coincidence to NOT be a clue.  If it wasn't important, it wouldn't have been mentioned.  Jon would have simply stated the game is based on Robinson Crusoe and your job is to guess which items he had with him.  I hesitate to bring up the number 11 because frankly I am tired of hearing about all the 11 theories.  But I would imagine we will be hearing about journal 11 being held up.  Whether it refers to Craig being 11th in the credits or whether it means the mole had that number I don't know.  But I'm sure we will hear something about it.  And they did do a good job of hiding his journal number from us for several episodes, so I'm not sure how it will play out.  But all that other 11 stuff people have been grasping at is just silly.  

Ep 2:  We see Craig show up for a mission for the first time without his glasses.  While they are listening to Jons explaination of the game Craig even calls attention to it while on camera by raising his hand to his eyes and rubbing the side of his head.  Admittedly not an earth shattering move all in itself but it set the stage for him wearing the glasses sometimes, and sometimes not.  Goes along with the lying with my eyes thing.

Ep 3:  We are clearly, and frequently, shown Craig wearing a key around his neck.  When he finds the laundromat with their clothes it is next door to a key shop.  Again, too much coincidence NOT to be a clue.  The laundromat wasn't next to a soccerball store or an abortion clinic.  It wasn't even next to a business dealing in the graphic arts.  It was a key shop.

Ep 4:  A somewhat weak clue here would be the large letter "C's" that are on each brick of gold the players have to carry up the mountain.  One on each end.  A little better clue would be the number seen on the side of the ambulance.  It had no relevance to us at the time but later became clear.  When we were shown Marks journal in a later episode we were shown that the numbers associated with craig was 424.  This number appears in every opening and closing sequence in each episode so that makes this an on-air clue.  This also made the number on the ambulance more relevant to us as well.  The number was 4245000.  Again, a little too coincidental NOT to be a clue.  It would be no problem to digitally add this onto the vehicle just as they added things to other episodes.

Ep 5:  Lets start with the word Jaime on the side of the building at the beginning of the All For One mission.  I'm sure it was added digitally but it was there nonetheless.  Jaime is a variant of James and in spanish both names are a variant of Diego.  Such as San Diego where Craig lives.  Then there was the "CRG" on the wall behind the players while they were chained together.  Probably also digitally added but an on-air clue in any case.  

Ep 6:  During the player confessionals, there are 2 figures on a table behind each person that looks like the letter "i".  During a confessional from Clay, these figures mysteriously change into 4 figures right in the middle of his talk.  They are only shown for that one brief shot and were most definitely added digitally.  There was 4 i's and represent "4 eyes".  A term used to describe people that wear glasses.  This is also the episode where we get the view of marks journal and see that the number 424 represents Craig.  There is also the questionable N20 during this episode, which if it is a clue would represent November 20.  Craigs birthday.  On-air clues aren't going to be something as involved as "OK audience, N20 is a gas that doctors SOMETIMES use during delivery of a baby so this means our whiney doctor".   Pffffttttt.


This is starting to get pretty long so I am going to cut it off here but I think this answers your question.  Notice that none of these clues are based on ABC widgets, text clues, player actions, suspicious behavior, or anything of the sort.  They are all based on things shown to us during the program and with the exception of N20 if you want to stretch it, they aren't really able to be applied to other players.  They are based on facts of the show and are straight forward and don't really require any type of iffy logic.  It's a lot like seeing a horse walk by your house.  You look at it and say, "hmmm there's a horse".  You don't have to twist it around at think perhaps it's really a donkey trying to trick you.

Remember that you have to look at the clues without being swayed or taken in by the red herrings.  That's where people get sidetracked because they start looking at the players behaviors and suspicious activity.  Every single layer on the show except for maybe Marcie and Liz did things that seemed suspicious.  Some of it was on purpose and some of it is because we weren't shown everything surrounding it.  And that was on purpose.....it's the nature of the show.  They aren't going to give you clues at the beginning that point to one person only to give you clues at the end that point to someone else.  You just have to avoid the landmines.

It's time to give it up and embrace Craig as your mole.



Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: elTopo on August 10, 2008, 12:04:54 AM
I think the definitive clue this season is when Craig said he wanted to open his own business last episode. The moles journal from week 7 said that his goal was to run his own business. This is as concrete as it gets. Craig is the mole.

this was discussed a lot on the ABC forums.. here i'll just post it

"You have to admit ALL camps have had a tough time tying everything in the journal back to their Mole pick...

What do we use a journal for?  We use it for writing about adventures, writing about people (crushes for girls, right?), and writing our own thoughts...

What if the mole's journal is a compilation of all three?  The Mole's personal thoughts are in the postcards to the people who have been executed.  The adventures are all the mementos (flags, cards, tickets) and words like "those kids really ran us all over the field" and such.  Then, the writing about other people are the comments about what people's favorites are, like favorite color, fruit, life goal, etc.)

Example:  "OMG, Craig is SO cute.  Well, his favorite color is red, his life goal is to run his own business, he doesn't like grapes..."  So on, so forth...

Thoughts?" -MoleFan18


Like for example... if Craig were writing in the Journal as the Mole... would he write about himself "lifelong dream: to run their own business" ... favorite color: red". Ya know? That kinda summed the journal up for me right there and it really made a lot more sense. I'm one of "those" that doesn't put a whole lot of stock into it...
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Mintobrandybuck on August 10, 2008, 02:45:01 AM
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It's Rhyme Time for Nicole:

Too many visual on-air clues that point to one person as the mole

1.  N2O (seen on the wine barrel) which could be Nitrous Oxide a gas used by surgeons in some kinds of pregnancies.

2. STIs (the reflection seen in the factory window) which could be for ***ually Transmitted Infections which are treated by doctors

3.  Red Wine (seen at all the dinners, and close by Jon on several occassions) which could stand for Good Health a concern of doctors.

4.  The curser arrow pointing at "Third" which was Nicoles position in the question asked.

5.  The number "3" centered over one cell door and the same cell chosen by Nicole befoe the cell to mole task.

6.  The name "NICOLE" seen in reverse through the top of the first page in the mole's dossier as it was scanned by Mark.  The question here would be would the producers add the mole's name in such a big headline for Mark to see, or was it added in post-production for only the audience to see?

7.  In the opening title construction just before the letters finally turn into reading MOLE the letters form the word MOM.  An OBGYN doctor deals with moms and moms-to-be.  So could refer to Nicole.

I must thank you. I've been really bored today (waiting for the final episode has been torture! I wanna know now!), and this has provided a way for me to give my opinion ^^

Not to say that I'm purposely picking on you, it's just that it seems a lot of the 'facts' that you post are somewhat biased and, heck, pretty big stretches.

1. N20 could have just as easily been a packaging label. That could be how they number crates, you never know. Someone showed earlier that the barrels there are all similarly labelled, so I doubt there is anything odd about it. Also, I've never heard of a pregnancy that ever required the use of laughing gas.

2. First of all, the term is ***ually Transmitted Disease (STD, not STI). And. . . Nicole's an OBGYN, so I highly doubt she would ever have anything to do with treating one.

3.  . . .Okay, this has got to be one of the biggest stretches I've ever seen. Nightstalker puts it very well:
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There are tons of things in everyday life that can be linking to being a doctor.  "Uh-oh!  Someone washed their hands!  Doctors wash their hands!  Nicole is the mole!" 


4. Did you see the person click on that answer? Or who is to say that it is the correct answer? This one would just be waaaay to obvious of a clue. I doubt its anything more than a coincidence.

5. I'm not entirely sure what you meant by this one. From what I understand, you're saying that the number 3 is above the cell door that Nicole chose? I don't see how that proves anything in any way, shape, or form.

6. Now, this one has bothered me. It seems this has a lot of people dead set that Nicole is the mole. I'm not entirely convinced that it is even what it says (I honestly don't see the word there >_>)  Here's my take:

No one knows what's in the dossier. I doubt that the most well-kept secret in the game would simply be 'NICOLE' at the top of the dossier. And if that is the case, for all we know it could be:
NICOLE
(info about Nicole)

CRAIG
(info about Craig)

Or something along those lines. I dunno. No one does. That's the point.

Plus, I don't think the dossier actually gives away the identity of the mole, just clues. And even iff all this is true, I really don't think the producers would allow a shot that gives away so much. So, I'm dismissing this clue altogether.

7. Now, I believe this may be a case of your eyes looking for something they want to find. I've never seen any proof of this before, and even so the word 'Mom' isn't much of a clue.

Almost the entire basis of your arguments is around the fact that Nicole is a doctor. I have a question for everyone: who here really knows what an OBGYN is? Everyone seems to be convinced that it is a surgeon that helps with pregnancies. While this may be included in their job, this is not entirely the case. OBGYN stands for Obstetrics and Gynaecology, which deal with pregnancy and birthing and the female reproductive organs, respectively. While, obviously, the birth process is a part of the position, it is not the full role. Nicole is not in any way a general 'doctor', and for that reason I don't think the show would have clues that alliterate to being a doctor.

Now, that being said, I still devoutly believe that Mark is the Mole. Craig is the obvious choice in most people's eyes, and I think if Nicole really were the Mole, she's doing a bad job of it. The Mole is subtle and usually someone who played the game well; Mark has shown both of these qualities without making himself obvious (not to say the other two haven't, it's just that in my eyes Mark has played a better game). Say what you will, but I am sticking to it to the end.

Let's hope the finale delivers!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: jskura on August 10, 2008, 10:48:46 AM
Jon is the Mole!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on August 10, 2008, 04:53:44 PM
just some ramblings from me. I was thinking about the quiz questions for the final test. Even without the dossier, Mark has a distinct advantage. There are 6 questions on the test (that i can see) where 2 of the 3 fall under the same answer with the other 1 on his/her own. For that particular question, the one on his/her own is guaranteed to get the answer right regardless of who they think is the mole.  (On other questions, where the other 2 have 2 different answers, that person has a 50/50 chance of being right)

Mark has the advantage cause he's singled out in 3 of the 6 questions whereas Nicole is singled out 2 times and Craig only once. So in that respect (if Mark isn't the mole), he is guaranteed 1 question correct more than nicole and 2 more than Craig just by default. Which means if they ALL get the rest of questions correct, Mark will automatically win by default because of this.

Please let me know if i have answered these wrong. I double checked but i might have missed something.

Here are the 6 questions:

Mark is guaranteed to get these correct:

Question 3: In "When Pigs Fly," what did the Mole do after returning from Pomaire?

Hold one end of the slingshot handle Craig  Nicole
Do nothing Mark

Question 9: In the "Midas Rush" mission, what color pants was the Mole wearing?

Blue Craig  Nicole
Black Mark

Question 19: How many exemptions has the Mole received to date?

1 Craig Nicole
2 Mark



Nicole is guaranteed to get these correct:

Question 1: Is the Mole?

Male Craig Mark
Female Nicole

Question 8: How much money did the Mole's team earn in "Midas Rush"?

$5,750  Nicole
$8,500  Craig Mark
 


Craig is guaranteed to get these correct:

Question 15: In the mission "Tick Tock Boom" did the Mole cut the wire?

Yes Craig
No Mark Nicole




Does anyone know the answer to this one?:   i think Mark was the only "yes" which would bump his chances higher but i can't be sure.

Question 12: At wine and cheese after "The Grapes of Cache," did the Mole open a bottle of wine?

Yes
No

 

Now if Mark is the mole, this would kinda make sense as it would leave 5/6 and 4/6 questions for Craig and Nicole respectively to have to guess which answer fits the mole. Less "gimme" questions for the actual players.

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Rabbit on August 10, 2008, 05:03:10 PM
i wanted to add that Questions #6 and #11 put all THREE of the finalists in the same answer so those 2 questions are guaranteed correct for all of them.

so that brings it down to only 12 (or possibly 11) questions out of 20 that are generic where no one has a distinct advantage over anyone else.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Acro on August 10, 2008, 09:23:22 PM
Hi everyone!  I'm new here.

Actually I signed up to say one thing that's been bothering me, but I may post more later.

The thing that's been bothering me is the people that have been saying "Red Wine is a stretch for Nicole being the Mole."  I don't think it really is.  If you look back at Season 2, where Bill was the mole, they said one of their clues was the host eating an apple.  That's it.  I'd saying drinking Red Wine is just as much of a clue as eating an apple was in Season 2.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on August 10, 2008, 11:51:20 PM
If the clues for Craig are so much more concrete than the ones for Nicole, I wish someone would list what the clues are as seen in the on-air program.  These are the only clues which will be shown during the last program, items planted on the ABC website or in the "mole's diary" won't be considered during the final expose.  So what are the on-air clues for Craig?



Ep 1:  At the Robinson Crusoe mission, Jon tells them the Crusoe story is based on the real life of Alexander Selkirk.  Selkirks given name at birth was Selcraig.  Too much of a coincidence to NOT be a clue.  If it wasn't important, it wouldn't have been mentioned.  Jon would have simply stated the game is based on Robinson Crusoe and your job is to guess which items he had with him.  I hesitate to bring up the number 11 because frankly I am tired of hearing about all the 11 theories.  But I would imagine we will be hearing about journal 11 being held up.  Whether it refers to Craig being 11th in the credits or whether it means the mole had that number I don't know.  But I'm sure we will hear something about it.  And they did do a good job of hiding his journal number from us for several episodes, so I'm not sure how it will play out.  But all that other 11 stuff people have been grasping at is just silly.  

Ep 2:  We see Craig show up for a mission for the first time without his glasses.  While they are listening to Jons explaination of the game Craig even calls attention to it while on camera by raising his hand to his eyes and rubbing the side of his head.  Admittedly not an earth shattering move all in itself but it set the stage for him wearing the glasses sometimes, and sometimes not.  Goes along with the lying with my eyes thing.

Ep 3:  We are clearly, and frequently, shown Craig wearing a key around his neck.  When he finds the laundromat with their clothes it is next door to a key shop.  Again, too much coincidence NOT to be a clue.  The laundromat wasn't next to a soccerball store or an abortion clinic.  It wasn't even next to a business dealing in the graphic arts.  It was a key shop.

Ep 4:  A somewhat weak clue here would be the large letter "C's" that are on each brick of gold the players have to carry up the mountain.  One on each end.  A little better clue would be the number seen on the side of the ambulance.  It had no relevance to us at the time but later became clear.  When we were shown Marks journal in a later episode we were shown that the numbers associated with craig was 424.  This number appears in every opening and closing sequence in each episode so that makes this an on-air clue.  This also made the number on the ambulance more relevant to us as well.  The number was 4245000.  Again, a little too coincidental NOT to be a clue.  It would be no problem to digitally add this onto the vehicle just as they added things to other episodes.

Ep 5:  Lets start with the word Jaime on the side of the building at the beginning of the All For One mission.  I'm sure it was added digitally but it was there nonetheless.  Jaime is a variant of James and in spanish both names are a variant of Diego.  Such as San Diego where Craig lives.  Then there was the "CRG" on the wall behind the players while they were chained together.  Probably also digitally added but an on-air clue in any case.  

Ep 6:  During the player confessionals, there are 2 figures on a table behind each person that looks like the letter "i".  During a confessional from Clay, these figures mysteriously change into 4 figures right in the middle of his talk.  They are only shown for that one brief shot and were most definitely added digitally.  There was 4 i's and represent "4 eyes".  A term used to describe people that wear glasses.  This is also the episode where we get the view of marks journal and see that the number 424 represents Craig.  There is also the questionable N20 during this episode, which if it is a clue would represent November 20.  Craigs birthday.  On-air clues aren't going to be something as involved as "OK audience, N20 is a gas that doctors SOMETIMES use during delivery of a baby so this means our whiney doctor".   Pffffttttt.


This is starting to get pretty long so I am going to cut it off here but I think this answers your question.  Notice that none of these clues are based on ABC widgets, text clues, player actions, suspicious behavior, or anything of the sort.  They are all based on things shown to us during the program and with the exception of N20 if you want to stretch it, they aren't really able to be applied to other players.  They are based on facts of the show and are straight forward and don't really require any type of iffy logic.  It's a lot like seeing a horse walk by your house.  You look at it and say, "hmmm there's a horse".  You don't have to twist it around at think perhaps it's really a donkey trying to trick you.

Remember that you have to look at the clues without being swayed or taken in by the red herrings.  That's where people get sidetracked because they start looking at the players behaviors and suspicious activity.  Every single layer on the show except for maybe Marcie and Liz did things that seemed suspicious.  Some of it was on purpose and some of it is because we weren't shown everything surrounding it.  And that was on purpose.....it's the nature of the show.  They aren't going to give you clues at the beginning that point to one person only to give you clues at the end that point to someone else.  You just have to avoid the landmines.

It's time to give it up and embrace Craig as your mole.





See?  Now this I like.  I wish I would have seen posts more thought out like this one from you.  While I don't necessarily agree with all of your clues I do think that at least a couple of them are very strong.  Particularly your ep. 4 and ep. 6 clues seem very strong.  It's not just that though.  I also dig your explanation of how you looked for the clues and how you mentioned not to put so much faith in that 11 craze that's been going around.  I'm definitely leaning towards Craig now as the mole.  Good on you.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Cincy-David on August 11, 2008, 09:09:08 AM

One More on-air clue that points to Craig.....That is quite possibly a mole on the front of that t-shirt.  Since, the red cirlce has no cross bar, then Craig is a Mole.


(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb140/ga--peach/The%20MOLE/MoleEp8craigsshirt.jpg)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Aimbo on August 11, 2008, 09:22:55 AM
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Ep 6:  During the player confessionals, there are 2 figures on a table behind each person that looks like the letter "i".  During a confessional from Clay, these figures mysteriously change into 4 figures right in the middle of his talk.  They are only shown for that one brief shot and were most definitely added digitally.  There was 4 i's and represent "4 eyes".  A term used to describe people that wear glasses.  This is also the episode where we get the view of marks journal and see that the number 424 represents Craig.  There is also the questionable N20 during this episode, which if it is a clue would represent November 20.  Craigs birthday.  On-air clues aren't going to be something as involved as "OK audience, N20 is a gas that doctors SOMETIMES use during delivery of a baby so this means our whiney doctor".   Pffffttttt.


^this is the best clue I have read so far.  The 4 i's are the clearest clue I have seen yet.  Awesome.

BUT I still hope they don't mean Craig... Craig is the only one with glasses and 4 i's = 4 eye's makes perfect sense... but i think a lot of us are hoping that the clues add up to something more complicated or clever than that :(  And also that someone we suspected all along isn't the mole cause that's no fun :(
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on August 11, 2008, 01:57:57 PM
from the ABC boards

TEXT CLUE: G BOY N is OBGYN
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on August 11, 2008, 03:36:52 PM
That's just about the final nail in the coffin, Puddin.  All of the previous text clues have lead to the person who is executed that night.  So if the pattern follows it means that Nicole, our one and only OBGYN is due for exeuction tonight or in other words is the loser.  This leaves Mark and Craig.  And it looks like the analysis done by knuckles487 is bearing more fruit, and I now am leaning toward going along with his dart at Craig.

The clue N2O which most likely is a clue does point toward November 20, Craig's birthday.

The clue of CRG on the cell wall in ep 5 is not there in one scene but appears behind Mark in another scene.  Looks to be obviously added post-production and seems to fit with the other graffiti seen.

The clue of the four "i"s seen in only one scene behind Clay's confessional and only two "i"s in others
 certainly, positively  has been added in post production.  It could mean "four eyes" and refer certainly to Craig.

And a new one.  All the emphasis on red wine, on the table at all the meals, but more noticably with Jon on many an occassion when there was no reason for him to have a glass of red wine in his hand (unless he really is a wino) could be refering to the one state noted for wine production - California. And only one remaining player comes from California - Craig.

So it is late in the game but I have been convinced that the mole is not Nicole, but Craig.

And still Mark is the winner of the big bucks. 

Poor Nicole, she should have gone home with her mama when she had the chance.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Cincy-David on August 11, 2008, 04:17:21 PM
Not necessarily Gingerman

mobile text clues
EP10: G BOY N is OBGYN
 
abc clues:
EP10: THE MOLE



If you put that together with the ABC Widget clue, it could mean that Nicole is the Mole.

Although I still betting my money on Craig...
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on August 11, 2008, 04:45:13 PM
but if we are to believe that last weeks clue pointed to Craig and this weeks points to Nicole then where does Mark fit in ....?


entertainment weekly clue:
I lie with my eyes

mobile text clues
EP1: NIC@IT 
EP2: Heart
EP3: grapes
EP4: cf (11) 8
EP5: CHNO 111738
EP6: X13421
EP7: EP: 1245
EP8: 00711
EP9: MAP REC   
EP10: G BOY N is OBGYN
         


abc clues:
EP1: E_E_E_
EP2: A B C B B    A C C B C A
EP3: s666 - LIAr
EP4: EFG PQR ZOO
EP5: 234 715
EP6: 334 631 244
EP7: 495
EP8: REFLECT  <<(reversed)
EP9: 7..26..52
EP10: THE MOLE << (blurred)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on August 11, 2008, 05:30:47 PM
but if we are to believe that last weeks clue pointed to Craig and this weeks points to Nicole then where does Mark fit in ....?


[mobile text clues
EP9: MAP REC   
EP10: G BOY N is OBGYN
         


abc clues:
EP9: 7..26..52
EP10: THE MOLE << (blurred)


I thought MAP REC was CAMPER - the word on Nicole's tee shirt. Then these would make sense?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on August 11, 2008, 05:53:54 PM
I see, I thought people were leaning towards last weeks clue to mean La Recoleta Cemetery where Craig was doing his thing with the map .
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on August 11, 2008, 06:22:10 PM
I see, I thought people were leaning towards last weeks clue to mean La Recoleta Cemetery where Craig was doing his thing with the map .

I think most everyone was, but I felt Eva Perón's death date pointed towards Craig also and it seemed strange to me that both the text and clue card would point to just one person. Anyway, just my theory! I still don't know, but I'm going with Craig. The key around his neck and the locksmith next to the dry cleaners was the horse that walked past my home for me. Someone shot me down for that way back when, but I see it's come back to the surface so I'd be happy if that turns out to be a clue and Craig is the Mole. I have to wait another 5-1/2 hours to find out! UGH. :'(

Oh, another theory I have that I think has been mentioned surrounds the fact that Craig quit his job to play the game. Either that's a really big risk to take or he already had a guaranteed income - by playing the Mole. Unless he's rich, San Diego ain't cheap! And we all know he launched his new business soon after returning home.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Belle Book on August 11, 2008, 06:28:51 PM
Well, Craig's my second choice as the suspect and I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be the Mole.  But I'm still sticking with Nicole for now.  Some of the clues Knuckles487 can't be totally dismissed out of hand as being weak, such as the Selcraig bit, and the N20 (although it could also refer to Nicole) and #11 (especially #11).  But it's not enough for me to jump back to Craig yet.  But at 10 pm, we'll find out for ourselves who's the Mole.

Belle Book
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: metsfan698606 on August 11, 2008, 06:55:01 PM
This is my first post here, but I've been reading it for a while. Everyone keeps talking about wine as a clue towards Nicole.  I believe in one of the first 2 episodes Nicole refers to herself as "Dr. Whiner" when they voted her the most annoying. They show the contestants drinking wine at every execution dinner, as well as a few tasks involving wine. (They had to find the hidden wine bottles in one mission.)
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: The_Simpsons101 on August 11, 2008, 08:05:16 PM
I was just wandering, if all the text clues point to the person who is going home, how exactly does cf(11)8 point to Victoria?
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on August 11, 2008, 08:09:28 PM
I just wanted to say :welcome3: :partie: to all that have joined to help analyze the Mole , honestly we can't thank you all enough for participating in the theories  :waves:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on August 11, 2008, 08:21:03 PM
Seconding puddin here! :jumpy: :hearts: :jumpy:

"It is not the destination it is the journey", and y'all have made every step of the way fascinating!

Thanks to you all, I can make a well reasoned argument for Mark/Craig/Nicole to be the Mole/winner/loser in any order you choose! :funny:

It has been a blast travelling the road with you all--you have educated and entertained and enlightened us every step of the way!

Thanks so much for joining us here!

We do hope you will consider joining us for the next seasons of Survivor, The Amazing Race, And Amazing Race Asia. Lots of detective work in all three shows and we would love the brain power!

See y'all soon! :dancer:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: rld0724 on August 11, 2008, 08:52:53 PM
I know this is kinda last minute, but if you look that the last clue, i.e. the mole rubbed out, It kind of reminds me of when I look at  something without my glasses on, hence I think this could be pointing to Craig & a direct link to the "I lie with my eyes" clue.  Not sure just a random observation, I guess we will see in a few short minutes.

Again it has been fun see y'all later
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: therealmoflife on August 11, 2008, 10:05:48 PM
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The mole was indeed craig.  When the clues were discussed, a couple of them were.

a) the audio bit in the penultimate episode we had examined.
b) the 4 i's behind clay
c) craig carrying the mole sign
d) the fact that craig was never called for quiz results during executions.  One Jon Kelley called their most obvious.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on August 11, 2008, 10:12:47 PM
Fat bastard cost me 50 bucks lol but its cool. I love this show.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Groovyman on August 11, 2008, 10:17:46 PM
I'm not sure if anybody else said this (or if it's unfounded) but in all the eliminations I've watched, Jon (the host) hasn't even called Craig's name. (It could just be editing though). Of course this might not mean anything if Jon really doesn't know who the mole is.

 :lol: Hey Groovyman - I had mentioned this is a post a week or so ago, but this is way back there, but I confer.  Jon has never once shown Craigs results on the Monday night show.  (This is to the best of my memory).

Dave


Hurray for me and Dave for getting the clue right weeks ago?

HURRAY :sucks :sucks :sucks :sucks :sucks :sucks
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: therealmoflife on August 11, 2008, 10:26:16 PM
I thought it was interesting that the latitude and longitude was correct.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: molenewbie on August 12, 2008, 01:01:42 AM
If we want to see another season of this wonderful show, every fan must do his or her part to sway ABC.

What can you do?

1. Send emails to the executives at ABC. Tell them how much you love "The Mole."

2. Send "Lemonheads" (Paul's "Mole" mascot) to ABC headquarters. Include a letter asking them to renew the show.

3. Spread the word! Get your friends together and watch previous seasons. Start your own "Mole" game. Make posters. Your imagination's the limit!

4. Bounce ideas off of fellow fans on ABC's forums and in this group.

With your help, "The Mole" can be saved from execution. Let's do everything we can!

Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Molecule on August 12, 2008, 01:12:07 AM
Kudos to everyone! I think the network should hire the whole lot of you to be writers! You all had better more sophisticated clues than the show even if they weren't actual clues in the end. They worked. N20? Not a clue??? Come on!

Congrats to all who picked up on the 4 i's. Nice work. The sign on the beach was rather obvious, but made me think twice about it just for that fact. Those teeny little clues in the intros? They were apparently onto anyone with Tivo! I just may have to subscribe if the show is saved. Several of you caught the fact that Craig was never picked out in the executions. Sweet.

So, will the offical web site reveal the text and card clues? Anything in the journal of relevance?

I'm going over to TAR next....

Oh, and I won the pool at work!  :yess: $2 Buck Chuck! sheesh
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: georgiapeach on August 12, 2008, 02:09:04 AM
I'm going over to TAR next....

 :jumpy: :hearts: :jumpy:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on August 12, 2008, 02:14:17 AM
I'm going over to TAR next....

 :jumpy: :hearts: :jumpy:
  :yess: :wohoo:

And while I'm here congrats to those that stuck with Craig as the Mole from the beginning  :jumpy: :jumpy: :wtg: :party:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: knuckles487 on August 12, 2008, 02:28:35 AM
I thought it was interesting that the latitude and longitude was correct.


Actually, the longitude and latitude they were talking about wasn't the same ones as you circled in the moles journal.  They were talking about a very small set of numbers in the lower left corner of one of the maps they always showed when telling what city they were in.  The ones in the journal were still for LA.


Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on August 12, 2008, 02:36:59 AM
kudos to knuckles especially, you stand out as the biggest supporter of Craig for the Mole  :sucks :jam:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: virushunter981 on August 12, 2008, 10:31:35 AM
Hey everyone!

I was very surprised to find that Craig was the Mole, but on second glance, I fell into the executed contestants' mindsets and believed that Craig couldn't be the Mole.  I'd be executed real quickly, let me tell you.  At the end, I had thought that Mark was the Mole.  But Craig's glance at the end of Three to Tango really threw me off.  Well, here are the Decoded Official Clues.

OFFICIAL CLUES

Episode 1:

NIC@IT

Spell out, "@" which will give you "NIC AT IT." Unscramble the letters and it spells TITANIC. During the first episode, Craig, the Mole, is at the stern of the ship, arms outstretched, just like in the movie. It also serves as a misdirect to NICOLE.

Episode 2:

Heart

This is a reference to Liz, (the executed player) as she was wearing big HEART earrings at dinner. These clues will sometimes refer to the Mole, and sometimes who is executed for the episode.

Episode 3:

Grapes

Bobby who was executed in Episode 3, received a "Grape" massage.

Episode 4:

cf(11)8

This clue refers to Victoria's execution this week. C1, F1 and C8, F8 are the starting positions for the BISHOP in chess. Victoria's hometown? BISHOP, TX.

Episode 5:

CHNO
111738

C11 H17 N3 O8 is the chemical composition of TETRODOTOXIN, one of the most lethal neurotoxins in the world. There is no known cure. This refers to the Neuroscientist execution this week.

Episode 6:

X13421

This is the chord diagram for B Minor which also happens to be one of the chords in Alex's "Mole Hunting" song. (X) on chord charts designates an open string, the numbers correspond to the finger placement (1 -- index finger, 2 -- middle finger, etc.) This points to ALEX as the person that goes home this week.

Episode 7:

EP:1245

This points to the Executive Producer of Seasons 1 to 5 of "The Mole" (except season 3): Clay Newbill, and the Mole's next victim: Clay.

Episode 8:

00711

10701 is the Zip Code for YONKERS, NY and the tip off for Paul's execution for this episode.

Episode 9:

MAP REC

Unscramble these letters and it spells "CAMPER" which refers to Nicole's shirt which she wore in the final mission. This tips off that she will be executed.

Episode 10:

G BOY N

Unscramble this to read: OBGYN, which is the clue for Nicole being "executed" this week.

WIDGET CLUES:

Episode 1:

E_E_E_

Craig, the Mole, makes a hangman reference regarding the Over The Fall mission.

Episode 2:

A B C B B
A C C B C A

This refers to the seating arrangement at dinner before the quiz. A = Players in the final three; B = Males; C = Females.

Episode 3:

s666 -- LIAr

The U.S. Federal Bribery statute is Section 666 (U.S.C. Title 18). The "s" refers to "section" 666 and the "r" makes a word out of the capitalized "LIA" (which unscrambles to ALI who takes the Mole's bribe in this episode).

Episode 4:

E F G
P Q R
Z O O

If you freeze frame and check out the license plate of the ambulance that wheels away Craig, the Mole, GPQ 604, and assign letters for the numbers [F= 6 ZERO = 0 D=4], it results in these 9 letters: E, F, G, P, Q, R, Z, O, O.

Episode 5:

234
715

This is a reference to the placement of the Final Three in the "All for One" mission: Mark (2nd) Craig (3rd) Nicole (4th), and the order in which they left below, Mark (7th), Craig (1st) and Nicole (5th)

Episode 6:

334
631
244

This is a clue for who is NOT the Mole - and that is the significance of the strikethrough of the letters. When the show cuts to MARK'S journal midway in the episode, he has certain notations for "sabotaged" missions next to ALEX, CLAY and PAUL. By crossing their #'s off, we imply that the MOLE is CRAIG, MARK and either NIC or PAUL.

Episode 7:

495

If you add up the numbers first entered by Craig, the Mole, into the computer during GO FIGURE, the total is

Episode 8:

TCELFER

This clue points to either MARK or CRAIG as the Mole. They were the only two players in that had their own reflection in the background during this episode. To read this clue, you'd have to hold it up to a mirror. It also dovetails with "How's The View?" where the "Vue" Goggle Vision was the mirror image of the outside world.

Episode 9:

7..26..52

This is the date that Eva Peron died and it's a nod that Craig, the Mole, visited the Recoleta Cemetery during the final mission.

Episode 10: The Mole - in blurry letters

"THE MOLE " in blurry letters points to Craig, the only player who wears glasses.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on August 12, 2008, 11:44:27 AM
Jon said that there were buried clues in each episode as to whom the mole was.  Some are pretty wishy-washy and actually did not pin point the mole.  Such as in ep 2 which only told us that Ali was not the mole.  Or in eps 3 and 4 which supposedly told us who the final three were and could have applied to Nicole or Mark also being the mole.  The single frame (in very small letters) longitude and latitude for San Diego was even hard to spot going frame by frame.  Same for ep 7 when in tiny, tiny letters Rojo Corbata was hidden within the thumb print.  And finally the audio clue in ep 9 which was an audio clue being played backwards.

We had some better clues such as N2O and wine.

But the producers did try to aim toward the RRF detectives this time.  But how many of the clues could the average audience detect?  Probably only three: CRG, 4 i's, and the fact that Craig's name was never called during the execution exercises. 

These kinds of hidden clues do not attract a large audience.  An audience who is watching the show "on air" and is not reviewing every scene on slo-mo videotape.  Yes, it appeals to the sleuths who hang out here, but perhaps a few dozen  or so do not an audience build.  Sorry to say, I think that the producers did themselves a disservice by making the clues so infintesimal and only detected on frame by frame review of the videotape and so they lost audience as the series progressed (as the downward trend of viewership confirms.)

Again, sorry to say, I think we have seen the last of The Mole. :'(

Saying that, this is the GMan rounding third and being throwed out at home. :waves:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: MountainsOutOfMoleHills on August 12, 2008, 06:11:47 PM
Hey! Just came to say goodbye. And maybe the mole could become a cheaper late night show. It doesnt cost much to produce the show, does it? Or maybe an internet series. Or maybe a daytime series. Or maybe a MOVIE! Well, enjoyed the show. Bye!


 -MountainsOutOfMoleHills   
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: puddin on August 12, 2008, 07:18:51 PM
Hey! Just came to say goodbye. And maybe the mole could become a cheaper late night show. It doesnt cost much to produce the show, does it? Or maybe an internet series. Or maybe a daytime series. Or maybe a MOVIE! Well, enjoyed the show. Bye!


 -MountainsOutOfMoleHills   
Since you all like detective work, maybe we can interest you all in joining us in our hunt for the Amazing Race?  :jumpy:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Nightstalker on August 13, 2008, 03:01:07 AM
Jon said that there were buried clues in each episode as to whom the mole was.  Some are pretty wishy-washy and actually did not pin point the mole.  Such as in ep 2 which only told us that Ali was not the mole.  Or in eps 3 and 4 which supposedly told us who the final three were and could have applied to Nicole or Mark also being the mole.  The single frame (in very small letters) longitude and latitude for San Diego was even hard to spot going frame by frame.  Same for ep 7 when in tiny, tiny letters Rojo Corbata was hidden within the thumb print.  And finally the audio clue in ep 9 which was an audio clue being played backwards.

We had some better clues such as N2O and wine.

But the producers did try to aim toward the RRF detectives this time.  But how many of the clues could the average audience detect?  Probably only three: CRG, 4 i's, and the fact that Craig's name was never called during the execution exercises. 

These kinds of hidden clues do not attract a large audience.  An audience who is watching the show "on air" and is not reviewing every scene on slo-mo videotape.  Yes, it appeals to the sleuths who hang out here, but perhaps a few dozen  or so do not an audience build.  Sorry to say, I think that the producers did themselves a disservice by making the clues so infintesimal and only detected on frame by frame review of the videotape and so they lost audience as the series progressed (as the downward trend of viewership confirms.)

Again, sorry to say, I think we have seen the last of The Mole. :'(

Saying that, this is the GMan rounding third and being throwed out at home. :waves:

I think it's tough as far as the clues go.  It'd be great to have clues as simple as the four I's and CRG in every single episode but wouldn't that make it a little too easy to find out who the mole was?  The reason why some people overlooked clues like that this time was because they seemed too easy.  Really hard clues where you have to freeze frame are the norm now because we've had five seasons now and with every improving technology it's so much easier to sniff that sort of stuff out.  That's why they have to embed those clues even more.

But I do get where you're coming from.  It's hard to find that balance where the clues are easy enough for casual fans to spot and hard enough that fans like us really have to search like crazy.

(The wine was sooooo not a good clue.  It was vague as heck and farfetched.  Sorry.)

I actually think they did a better job than the first two seasons of making this seasons more fan friendly.  Maybe it's just me but I felt so much more connected to each contestant this year than every before.  When it got down to Craig, Mark, Nicole, Paul, Clay and Alex I loved them all!  I was afraid to watch the next episode because I knew I'd be gutted if ANY of them left.  They spent more time in the hotel rooms and having the players just interact with one another.  Who doesn't love, "Paul Free?"

In my book they did a phenomenal job of making the show more accessible than it ever has been before.  That being said, I agree that I don't think it worked enough.  It's a summer show that got little hype and was put in a really late timeslot.  Things were working against it from the beginning.  I hate to say it but I think we won't be seeing anymore of The Mole and that's a real shame.  I love the Amazing Race but I'd personally vote for The Mole for a best reality show Emmy.  It doesn't get more cerebral than The Mole.
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: virushunter981 on August 13, 2008, 07:56:29 AM
Can someone please remind me about the wine clue?  I've forgotten it.  Thanks!
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: gingerman28 on August 13, 2008, 12:16:05 PM
Can someone please remind me about the wine clue?  I've forgotten it.  Thanks!

In almost every ep, Jon was seen drinking red wine, even in situations where there was no reason for him to do so.  This was very much like Coop eating an apple now and then which was a reference to the State of Washington the home of Bill the mole.  Nobody seemed to pick up on that.  In the same vien, the Red wine could represent the leading wine-producing state, California, which also was the home of the mole, Craig.

PS I stumbled going around third, so I am picking myself and heading for home once again., :jam:
Title: Re: The Mole 5.0 *Ongoing Clue Analysis and Challenge Discussions*
Post by: Belle Book on August 16, 2008, 05:53:35 PM
Well, I really should've stuck with Craig.  I think where I went wrong was when Paul was executed after saying that he didn't suspect Nicole.  If I knew that there was a tie between him & Nicole, I would've stuck with Craig.  But I didn't and I began to waver and eventually switched to Nicole.

Belle Book