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Title: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Kogs on December 05, 2007, 07:13:55 AM
Airs 12/23

Florence, Italy  Date July ?

Italy
Boingo -- Duomo of Florence, Italy (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13733.msg235344.html#msg235344) 
Slowhatch:The giglio on the drummer's uniform is the symbol for Florence (here (http://www.abroadco.com/Florence/Shopping.htm), middle of page).
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Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 05, 2007, 09:49:11 AM
thanks Kogs  :cmas17
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 07, 2007, 10:18:08 AM
tvguide!!  :jumpy:

Episode Detail: This is Forever, Now - Amazing Race 12
The teams travel to Italy and stress takes a toll on one duo; and another pair consider making a permanent change to their bodies to further their position in the race.

Sunday, Dec. 23 at 8pm ET - This Is Forever, Now

The five remaining teams continue on the seventh leg of the race.
Donald waffles about an opportunity to gain a huge advantage. Kynt argues with Vyxsin, ordering her to "stop this car!"
The teams encounter new challenges and opportunities in Italy, and one team faces a setback when they lose both their clue and their way.
The teams participate in a flag-twirling challenge, where one team falls apart and faces a "nightmarish" experience.


Sunday, December 23, 8/7c

One Team faces a major setback when they lose their clue and their way in Italy.
In a role reversal, one often-bickering Team mends their wounds and starts working well together, while one usually cohesive Team melts down.
One Team contemplates making a permanent change to their bodies in order to get ahead.
One Team receives shocking news at the Pit Stop that they liken to a “three-headed serpent that at any moment can spring forward.”


tvguide magazine 12/23
Amazing Race 12:
For the average traveler, a visit to Italy would likely be a magical experience, but for one particular team "nightmarish" might be a better description, when things suddenly stop going their way in the race.




Supersized >> click click  (http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/th_scan0002-2.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/scan0002-2.jpg) Vinci Tuscany, Vinci Museum



CBS release~
ONE OF THE RACE'S STRONGEST TEAMS SUCCUMBS TO THE STRESS OF SPRINTING AROUND THE GLOBE, WHILE ANOTHER TEAM CONTEMPLATES MAKING A PERMANENT CHANGE TO THEIR BODIES, ON "THE AMAZING RACE 12," SUNDAY, DEC. 23 ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK
"This is Forever, Now" - Fatigue and stress cause one of the Race's strongest teams to breakdown when racing through Italy, while another Team contemplates making a permanent change to their bodies in order to further their position in the Race, on THE AMAZING RACE 12, Sunday, Dec. 23 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
 
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 07, 2007, 10:31:36 AM
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another pair consider making a permanent change to their bodies

That sounds like the head shave Fast Forward.
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 07, 2007, 10:34:56 AM
Thats a great idea Chateau :cmas20! I was thinking to myself, what they cut an an arm or leg off  :snicker: ?
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 07, 2007, 10:58:23 AM
Happy 50K Puddin ! :mas25
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 07, 2007, 11:12:24 AM
Happy 50K Puddin ! :mas25
Thanks Chateau, really I had no idea  :-[
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 07, 2007, 11:16:59 AM
50K! My goodness. That's a lot.  :cmas16 :cmas16
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: bingo on December 07, 2007, 12:18:09 PM
sounds more like a tattoo, cutting off all hair isnt perminent.  And i will loose a lot of respect for the race if they do that a third time!
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 07, 2007, 12:50:19 PM
 A tattoo! Thats so permament but it fits well with the title "This is Forever, Now" :cmas16. I was  :clean and thinking that this can't refer to a Fast Forward if we believe this leg is keep on racing= superleg  :cmas5. No point in having a Fast Forward, go directly to the pitstop if we think there is a virtual pitstop instead?

I really like your idea bingo -- check this out   (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS207US208&resnum=0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=tattoos&near=Florence+(Tuscany),+Italia&fb=1&sa=X&oi=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image)

ETA: while searching tatoo's-- how about Piercings!? (http://piercing loc: Florence (Tuscany), Italia) its not as extreme as a permanent tatoo.
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 07, 2007, 01:24:59 PM
Maybe this is where we see the so called speed-bump? maybe its an extra detour option, a faster one that only one team can take?
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gator27 on December 07, 2007, 01:30:43 PM
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another pair consider making a permanent change to their bodies

That sounds like the head shave Fast Forward.

How about the Goths changing their hair color?
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 07, 2007, 01:40:26 PM
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another pair consider making a permanent change to their bodies

That sounds like the head shave Fast Forward.

How about the Goths changing their hair color?
...or a team gets a permanent wave  :cmas50
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: patlini on December 07, 2007, 02:02:53 PM
Bringing flights over from locations thread and tidying it up a bit


Dubrovnik to Frankfurt 

LH 2469/OU 0418  7:30am  9:35am FRA


From Frankfurt to Florence 2 options

10:50 12:15 LH4060
12:15 13:45 LH4062


going off timing for Episode 6 I think that they all could make that 7.30am departure.
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 07, 2007, 02:32:36 PM
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another pair consider making a permanent change to their bodies

That sounds like the head shave Fast Forward.

How about the Goths changing their hair color?
...or a team gets a permanent wave  :cmas50
Skin bleaching?
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 07, 2007, 03:35:29 PM
Let me add my congratulations on 50000 posts, puddin. I am closing in on 1/50th of that number, so I know what an achievemnt 50K is.

On a personal note, some may have missed me(hopefully not as severely as last week), but I spent the past 5 days and nights in the regional medical center due to an unwanted byproduct of my Caribbean vacation. Snorkeling above a reef can be dangerous to your health. In my case vibrio bacteria was the diagnosis finally reached as the cause of cellulitis of my lower right leg. I asked my wife to contact Peach stealthily and Peach's response led to vibrio being considered. It probably got me out of the hopsital sooner than I would have otherwise. Thanks, Peach.
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: patlini on December 07, 2007, 03:48:29 PM
Welcome back apskip - glad to hear you're doing better  :cmas20
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: north09 on December 07, 2007, 03:50:49 PM
sorry to hear that askip, glad to hear you are doing well now!  :wine:

Congrats on 5k puddin! :cmas16
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 07, 2007, 04:05:12 PM
Let me add my congratulations on 50000 posts, puddin. I am closing in on 1/50th of that number, so I know what an achievemnt 50K is.

On a personal note, some may have missed me(hopefully not as severely as last week), but I spent the past 5 days and nights in the regional medical center due to an unwanted byproduct of my Caribbean vacation. Snorkeling above a reef can be dangerous to your health. In my case vibrio bacteria was the diagnosis finally reached as the cause of cellulitis of my lower right leg. I asked my wife to contact Peach stealthily and Peach's response led to vibrio being considered. It probably got me out of the hopsital sooner than I would have otherwise. Thanks, Peach.
:cmas20 welcome back apskips! Yes you were sorely missed, welcome back   :-*
......and peach, who would have known  :jam:
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 07, 2007, 04:13:10 PM
So glad you are back Apskip! We missed you! Glad I could be some help... 

And puddin! 50,000! I was hoping this would wait till tonight because this for sure calls for a party!   :cmas9

Check with me later--you are all invited!

And thanks north--I was pretty thrilled to get to 5000 myself! :cmaslol

Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: north09 on December 07, 2007, 04:18:47 PM
:cmaslol I got the 2 of you confused, but I'll still give you a belated congratulations  :cmas22
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: bingo on December 07, 2007, 05:19:06 PM
A tattoo! Thats so permament but it fits well with the title "This is Forever, Now" :cmas16. I was  :clean and thinking that this can't refer to a Fast Forward if we believe this leg is keep on racing= superleg  :cmas5. No point in having a Fast Forward, go directly to the pitstop if we think there is a virtual pitstop instead?

I really like your idea bingo -- check this out   (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS207US208&resnum=0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=tattoos&near=Florence+(Tuscany),+Italia&fb=1&sa=X&oi=local_group&resnum=4&ct=image)

ETA: while searching tatoo's-- how about Piercings!? (http://piercing loc: Florence (Tuscany), Italia) its not as extreme as a permanent tatoo.

oooo a piercing sounds cool too!
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 07, 2007, 07:30:30 PM
Glad to see you back, apskip!
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 07, 2007, 10:08:54 PM
Bringing flights over from locations thread and tidying it up a bit


Dubrovnik to Frankfurt 

LH 2469/OU 0418  7:30am  9:35am FRA


From Frankfurt to Florence 2 options

10:50 12:15 LH4060
12:15 13:45 LH4062


going off timing for Episode 6 I think that they all could make that 7.30am departure.

I checked these combinations out. They never came up for me, but they are extremely valid and very direct and timely routes to get Dubrovnik to Florence. Congrats, patlini.
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 07, 2007, 10:38:17 PM
Good job patlini. :cmas9
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: nikita on December 08, 2007, 05:40:38 AM
Oh wow! Florence. I went there two years ago. I wondor if the Pit Stop will be a the Hill top church above the city? I forgot the name but it will be one heck of a climb. :cmas27
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: musicman85 on December 08, 2007, 12:01:29 PM
do you mean the church right near Piazzale Michaelangelo? If so, I agree that is one hell of a climb. I went to Italy this past summer, and although we took the bus up to it, we walked down from it back to our hotel. It was really hard and long, so I could totally see the racers doing that. I can't wait to see how Florence looks on TV lol after seeing it in person.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: patlini on December 08, 2007, 03:08:20 PM
Bringing flights over from locations thread and tidying it up a bit


Dubrovnik to Frankfurt 

LH 2469/OU 0418  7:30am  9:35am FRA


From Frankfurt to Florence 2 options

10:50 12:15 LH4060
12:15 13:45 LH4062


going off timing for Episode 6 I think that they all could make that 7.30am departure.

I checked these combinations out. They never came up for me, but they are extremely valid and very direct and timely routes to get Dubrovnik to Florence. Congrats, patlini.
Good job patlini. :cmas9


Cheers guys  :cmas27
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 08, 2007, 08:56:46 PM
very nice I knew this florence leg was coming some time soon
Title: Re: EP7: "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 09, 2007, 03:16:35 PM
Maybe this is where we see the so called speed-bump? maybe its an extra detour option, a faster one that only one team can take?

Well, I was speculating that he Speed bump was a replacement for the Fast Forward and that it was gone just like the Yield.

And if so, then they can really make it anything the want.  And depending on how well they planned this leg and the next the speedbump reward might be anything.

1.  Skip just a portion of the episode (like a roadblock or detour)
2.  Skip both roadblock and detour and have the reward not be go to the next Pit Stop, but go to the mat.

Now if it was a TBC leg, you might ask, wouldn't that give that team a huge advantage in getting to the next destination before others?

Well yes and no.

On all the TBC legs (both regular and family edition) there has been a substanual bunching period before either the next task or the next way to travel out of the area.

1.  Season 6 (when it was planned as normal non elimination, until they realized begging was illegal) had a 12 hour break between clue to keep going (on computers where most teams already had between 1-3 hours to bunch up before they could even get that clue) and hours of operation.

2.  Season 7 had a 8-6 hour bunch before teams departing on train.  Then a 24 hour train ride, get to location and hit a 12 hour hours of operation bunch.

3.  Season 8 features the shortest bunch it was 8-10 hours hours of operation bunch.

4.  Season 9 had what should have been an 10-12 hour bunch between the plained flight out of Russia to Germany and then the hours of operation of the test drive.  But it was the only bunching point that didn't fully work for one reason.   While its true that Eric & Jeremy managed a flight early enough that they beat the producers (doesn't happen often), they still would have been bunched at the hours of operation.  But the computer failure in Russia prevented most racers in getting out in time.  This gave the 3 teams that did manage to get out a 3 hour head start (though only a few things would have changed with placement due to the time it took teams to complete all tasks after arriving (the biggest Fran & Barry would have finished 2nd).  It also had the unforunate effect (though if teams wouldn't have had serious navigation problems or managing to get the wrong flights, it wouldn't have been an issue) of causing the planned bunching points of the next two legs to only catch some of the teams.

5.  Season 10 had a twelve hour bunch before flights out to Kiev.

So a reward that just sent a team to the mat could still easily allow teams to all still be bunch for the 2nd half of the leg.


Hell even without large amounts of bunching, depending on the type of Fast FOrward teams could still be very close together.

I do hope it is a tattoo though.  After all, for most teams this is a once in a life time experience.  One that they should cherish.  And a tattoo would be a nice physical reminder.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 09, 2007, 03:52:27 PM
I'm back to thinking that Chateau was right and this does sound like the Fast Forward and that this isn't a superleg, rather India like I originally thought, and the following episode is the superleg with 4 left.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 09, 2007, 04:07:10 PM
Oh I think thats highly possible.  I just don't want people to automatically assume that because teams have a way to jump forward (especially if it isn't the tried and true Fast Forward), that it meant this episode had to be an elimination leg.

But with previews and tonight's episode, we might get something more solid to nail it down.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 09, 2007, 08:24:19 PM

bingo and Chateau nailed it! tattoo and Fast Forward!

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Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 09, 2007, 08:25:41 PM
oh my Goth
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Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: swimmer12 on December 09, 2007, 08:28:50 PM
2 weeks until this episode...im going to go through tar withdrawl. well i think its a tatoo because the grandpa was pointing at his arm. at first i thought he was getting a shot  :cmaslol
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: swimmer12 on December 09, 2007, 08:30:53 PM
by the way what is going on next week that tar cant air?
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 09, 2007, 08:31:31 PM
Something called the Survivor Two Hour Season Finale. I've never heard of it.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: swimmer12 on December 09, 2007, 08:32:58 PM
hahah oh yeah duhhhhh im retarted lol Peih-Gee for the win!
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 09, 2007, 08:37:07 PM
hahah oh yeah duhhhhh im retarted lol Peih-Gee for the win!
ummmm *I won't say anything*

I assume tattoo's? Tabro? with better pictures we can read the smock.


Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 09, 2007, 08:40:47 PM
hahah oh yeah duhhhhh im retarted lol Peih-Gee for the win!
ummmm *I won't say anything*
Right?  :cmaslol :cmaslol :cmaslol

Looks like a tattoo parlor. Unless it has to do with a tetanus shot.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 09, 2007, 08:44:55 PM
is that croatia puddin?
nvm im blind
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 09, 2007, 08:45:39 PM
hahah oh yeah duhhhhh im retarted lol Peih-Gee for the win!
ummmm *I won't say anything*
Right?  :cmaslol :cmaslol :cmaslol

Looks like a tattoo parlor. Unless it has to do with a tetanus shot.
I hope Don gets a little rose :luvu:
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: swimmer12 on December 09, 2007, 08:47:20 PM
could that possibly say tatuaggio because thats the word for tattoo in italian.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 09, 2007, 08:48:26 PM
I would let the  guy in the lower left pretty much do whatever he wanted to me...
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Post by: Rob on December 09, 2007, 08:56:55 PM
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Post by: georgiapeach on December 09, 2007, 08:57:08 PM
I would let the  guy in the lower left pretty much do whatever he wanted to me...

 :cmas18 :cmas22 :cmas18

mswood is hopping tonight!
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Boingo on December 09, 2007, 09:06:11 PM
 :cmas18   FWIW, here's a couple of tattoo shops near Florence with a "17" in the address.  :cmas5


Tattoo Morpheus Di Giovanni Cipolla
50019 Sesto Fiorentino (FI) - 17/A, VIA CELLINI BENVENUTO
tel: 055 4211694

Tattoo Shop By Lorna "Lucky 7"
Via B. Paoli 17 - 55100 Lucca (LU)
tel: 0583 954715


Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 09, 2007, 09:27:37 PM
Nice Boingo! The Florence one looks good but Lucca is a ways away--unless part of the task is drive yourself there?
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 09, 2007, 09:28:08 PM
It looks like the first 5 letters might be Fabro.

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Post by: musicman85 on December 09, 2007, 09:34:15 PM
I agree, I would let the guy on the left do whatever he wants with me too haha, he looks really cute in that picture. ANYWAY...back to the race I suppose.

Since the Fast Forward is a tattoo, is it safe to assume that the grandfather team gets the quote? lol

I can't wait to see Florence in two weeks :D
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Boingo on December 09, 2007, 09:53:29 PM
It looks like the first 5 letters might be Fabro.

"Fabro"... or ...."Fabio"   :cmas50

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Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 09, 2007, 09:55:36 PM
it looks like fabio to me LOL

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Post by: amazing_hey on December 09, 2007, 10:11:00 PM
The grand pa/son got the FF

Look at the Title.....

I think grandpa says it "This is Forever, Now" which is means the  "tattoo"

The only thing I want to know is which part of the body they make the tattoo B:)

And what the tattoo look like?? (:;)
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 09, 2007, 10:15:22 PM
 :cmas4 I think my favs are in trouble.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: patlini on December 09, 2007, 10:20:12 PM
:cmas4 I think my favs are in trouble.

mine too...... pls Don get a Tatoo

poor don though, he looked tired in Croatia
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Tyler on December 09, 2007, 10:30:48 PM
The title definently applies to the FF.

This is forever, now.

It's sounds like something that would be said after Don says: I can't believe I did this.

Or it sounds like something that would be said after Don has the tattoo done.

But....if there is an FF. Then that means there is no TBC UNLESS....12/23 is a two hour episode?

And we get Leg 7 and 8?

Do you all remember how in TAR11...they had a two hour episode. I remember, I was in Florida and I believe it was the one where Joe/Bill was eliminated.

Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 09, 2007, 10:46:20 PM
We already know there is a Fast Foward, we know this is Don/Nick and them for the title, we know they are in Italy and we know this isn't a superleg and also we know that there will be no 2 hour special. What we don't know is where the darn tattoo parlor is  :cmaslol
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Tyler on December 09, 2007, 10:55:23 PM
So we will have our F4 at Leg 7??????????
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 09, 2007, 10:59:25 PM
maybe?
EP1 elim 11- Ari/Staella=10 teams left
EP2 elim 10-the Ministers = 9 teams left
EP3 elim 9 the Sisters= 8 teams left
EP4 elim 8- Lorena/Jason=7 teams left
EP5 elim 7- The Blonds =6 teams left
EP6 elim 6 -insert team = 5 teams left
EP7 Florence elim 5- insert team  :cmas4 =4 teams left
EP8 India TBC? 4 teams TBC
EP9 India to Japan elim 4- insert team =3 teams left
EP10 Japan to Taiwan TBC final 3
EP11 Taiwan to Alaska final 3 = winners
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 09, 2007, 11:02:10 PM
Is Alaska the finish line?

the way it looks I think the F3 will be:
Nate/Jen, Don/Nic, and Kynt/Vyxsin
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 09, 2007, 11:11:37 PM
Michael, I know you meant to type Tk & Rachel instead of Nate & Jenn.....
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: patlini on December 09, 2007, 11:13:00 PM
Is Alaska the finish line?

the way it looks I think the F3 will be:
Nate/Jen, Don/Nic, and Kynt/Vyxsin


I'm with 2 out of the 3 but would replace Kynt/Vyxsin with TK/Rachel.  Sorry Michael

I'm wondering if its a Alaska finish, it will be similar to the family edition/TARA
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 09, 2007, 11:13:43 PM
I think the Goths are out next  :cmas4 --but we'll see?

THIS IS FOREVER, NOW  :cmas18
One Team faces a major setback when they lose their clue and their way in Italy.
In a role reversal, one often-bickering Team mends their wounds and starts working well together, while one usually cohesive Team melts down.
One Team contemplates making a permanent change to their bodies in order to get ahead.
One Team receives shocking news at the Pit Stop that they liken to a “three-headed serpent that at any moment can spring forward.”





Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 09, 2007, 11:14:47 PM
Quote
One Team faces a major setback when they lose their clue and their way in Italy.
In a role reversal, one often-bickering Team mends their wounds and starts working well together, while one usually cohesive Team melts down.
One Team contemplates making a permanent change to their bodies in order to get ahead.
One Team receives shocking news at the Pit Stop that they liken to a “three-headed serpent that at any moment can spring forward.”

1.  Nate & Jenn
2.  Kynt & Vyxsin
3.  We know for sure is Nicolas & Donald.  DOn't be a wimp Donald.
4.  Is Ronald & Christina when they get eliminated.  Thats a Ronald quote.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 09, 2007, 11:16:56 PM
Puddin I think Kynt and Vyxsin will be fine. Have hope!!
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 09, 2007, 11:17:11 PM
The reason I say Ronald & Christina is the shock of going form first to last.

Plus with the Taiwan spoilers it is seems to me that Ronald & Christina don't make it to Taiwan.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 09, 2007, 11:19:18 PM
GOd, Puddin don't say that.

If thats the case.  THen I say the quote is still Ronald and they thought they were last and are shocked to discover that they aren't eliminated.  And that it is Kynt & Vyxsin that goes. 

Which would also go witht he asian team leaving before Taiwan.  But making it to Japan.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 09, 2007, 11:20:53 PM
ACTUALLY Kynt & Vyxsin or TK and Rachel are the only teams going next would kind of make sense (BUT IT WONT HAPPEN) because if we believe the Tawain spoiler didn't it mention over hearing that the "asians" were eliminated before Tawain?

Right now the only POSSIBLE f3 spoilers we have are:

1. Nick/Don
2. Nate/Jen
3. ????????

so that 3rd team has to be either Rachel and TK or Kynt and Vyxsin, with one of them going in the next episode and the asians going after that.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 09, 2007, 11:21:49 PM
Is Alaska the finish line?

the way it looks I think the F3 will be:
Nate/Jen, Don/Nic, and Kynt/Vyxsin


I'm with 2 out of the 3 but would replace Kynt/Vyxsin with TK/Rachel.  Sorry Michael

I'm wondering if its a Alaska finish, it will be similar to the family edition/TARA

Well I wouldn't mind that.  One of the few things the family edition got right was a very impressive final leg.  With a large number of tasks and all in driving distance.  No tasks in other countries and huge plane bunch before hte very last part of the leg.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 09, 2007, 11:23:41 PM
ACTUALLY Kynt & Vyxsin or TK and Rachel are the only teams going next would kind of make sense (BUT IT WONT HAPPEN) because if we believe the Tawain spoiler didn't it mention over hearing that the "asians" were eliminated before Tawain?

Right now the only POSSIBLE f3 spoilers we have are:

1. Nick/Don
2. Nate/Jen
3. ????????

so that 3rd team has to be either Rachel and TK or Kynt and Vyxsin, with one of them going in the next episode and the asians going after that.
If both spoilers are accurate.  BUt going out before Taiwan doesn't mean they were just eliminated (though it probably does)
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 09, 2007, 11:24:27 PM
That's true...but now I'm scared for next week  :cmas13
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 09, 2007, 11:32:20 PM
That's true...but now I'm scared for next week  :cmas13
:knuckles:  Be scared littel punk, be very scared.   :knuckles:

I hope they make it at least to finale four.

Teams I loved that died in fourth.
1.  Frats
2.  Cha Cha Cha
3.  My Man candy, Derek & Drew.  Hummm Twins.....
4.  The Clowns
5.  The Bowling Moms
6.  Well I missed Aaron.  Hayden needed a valium and a muzzle.
9.  Mojo (why Ray & Yolanda survived is beyond me, nice yes.  Couldn't go from point A to B without hitting C, D, E, F...Z first.
10.  Dustin & Kandice
11.  Cha Cha Cha again (he, he Eric  :yess: :cmaslol)

So I hope the tradition (almost) survives with them making it to final four.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 09, 2007, 11:32:33 PM
Judging from Donald's body language, I say that the 'change to their bodies' is not a tattoo but it is piercings in the are of the eyebrows!

 :cmas18
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 09, 2007, 11:35:51 PM
It could be a worse place.  But yeah, I would rather have a tattoo then a piercing.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 09, 2007, 11:36:03 PM
Chateau on the case! You may have a point there.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 09, 2007, 11:37:32 PM
ACTUALLY Kynt & Vyxsin or TK and Rachel are the only teams going next would kind of make sense (BUT IT WONT HAPPEN) because if we believe the Tawain spoiler didn't it mention over hearing that the "asians" were eliminated before Tawain?

Right now the only POSSIBLE f3 spoilers we have are:

1. Nick/Don
2. Nate/Jen
3. ????????

so that 3rd team has to be either Rachel and TK or Kynt and Vyxsin, with one of them going in the next episode and the asians going after that.

Insert TK/Rachel who I think the Taiwan sighter had confused with Lorena/Jason, at least thats what I sort of thought right away knowing that TK/Rachel made it far.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 09, 2007, 11:42:11 PM
Adopt A Demon - Demon Dictionary - Horror Halloween Dark Gothic ...


Baal, Bael - (Hebrew) devil. Means "the lord." The Canaanites worshipped Baal and held rituals at which children were burned for sacrifice. According to Wierius, this demon is the first monarch of hell and appears as a three headed beast. Bael is cited in the Grand Grimiore as commanding general of infernal armies.

http://adoptademon.50webs.com/demonnames.html
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 09, 2007, 11:59:15 PM
Damn it Puddin.  You aren't helping the Goths.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 10, 2007, 12:49:31 AM
One Team receives shocking news  at the Pit Stop that they liken to a “three-headed serpent that at any moment can spring forward.”

A penalty? maybe waiting out a penalty hoping that the next team doesn't arrive before the penalty is over?
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Kiwi Jay on December 10, 2007, 01:47:53 AM
You actually believe that Nicolas and Donald will be in the final three I find it highly unlikely?? Kynt and Vyxsin may be knocked out in final five!!!!!!!! wow
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: down_with_alli on December 10, 2007, 07:10:55 AM
The thing is, piercings aren't permanent, tatoos are (well you can get laser surgery but it'll still be there). So I'm 100% sure it's a tat.

Puddin I'm feeling the same way you do. I'm so worried about the Goths and I think they're going to be out in either of the next 2 episodes which will suck entirely.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 10, 2007, 07:41:20 AM
Maybe the shocking news is the Speed-Bump that we haven't seen yet.... Go do something over--again--give us your money--WHAT??

Who is most likely to lose a clue??

And remember that while we have a report of Nich/Don in Anchorage that NOTHING is sure there--they could equally well be running as a decoy team...
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 10, 2007, 08:25:59 AM
Don't count Lucca out. It is one of the three major cities ringing Florence to the north (you get extra points inf you knew that Pisa and Pistoia are the other two). I believe that some of the tasks for this episode may be out in the beautiful Tuscan countryside, so only downtown Florence is unlikely in my opinion. Also, we know that teams do have cars to drive. Why waste that in downtown Florence? Instead, go around to little-seen places.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: down_with_alli on December 10, 2007, 10:03:45 AM
Some tattoo places in Florence that may match the sign:

STUDIO TATTOO
Fabio Pitti - via Chiara, 70 - Empoli (FI) tel.: 339-3308532

LASER LINE ART TATTOO by MARCORI FABRIZIO
50127 Firenze (FI) - 42, v. di Novoli
tel: 055 416318, 335 6381841
fax: 055 4486691
email: info@laserlinetattoo.com

I have absolutely no idea guys just putting names out there that I can find that relate to the sign/area.

P.S Speed bump: both members have to do the roadblock?

Argh it's all so confusing. It doesn't help that I'm getting bad vibes as well from the Goths.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Kogs on December 10, 2007, 11:01:33 AM
Adopt A Demon - Demon Dictionary - Horror Halloween Dark Gothic ...


Baal, Bael - (Hebrew) devil. Means "the lord." The Canaanites worshipped Baal and held rituals at which children were burned for sacrifice. According to Wierius, this demon is the first monarch of hell and appears as a three headed beast. Bael is cited in the Grand Grimiore as commanding general of infernal armies.

http://adoptademon.50webs.com/demonnames.html

i could of helped you on this one  :cmaslol
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 10, 2007, 03:14:08 PM
You actually believe that Nicolas and Donald will be in the final three I find it highly unlikely?? Kynt and Vyxsin may be knocked out in final five!!!!!!!! wow

It isn't that surprising.  Look at race history.

By leg 6, Nicolas and Donald have the worst pit stop average this season with a 5.5

Looking at the final 3 teams and their performance at this leg of the race.

Charla & Mirna have the same exact average of 5.5 (and to give an idea oh bad they often raced, they had won two legs), in the other 4 they were next to last each time.

These teams all have worse records that made it to the final 3.
David & Jeff (season 4) with a 5.83
Adam & Rebecca (season 6) with a 5.83
Ray & Yolanda (season 9) with a 5.83
Lyn & Karlynn (season 10) with a 6.50 average
and
Teri & Ian (season 3) with a 6.50 average.

So out of 11 seasons that have ended 6 seasons have featured performance as bad or worse to this point.  Thats more then half.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: swimmer12 on December 10, 2007, 03:38:25 PM
if u look closely nick has a blue shirt walking into the tattoo place and then in the place he has his blue shirt off and his grey undershirt only on. This could mean the tattoo on the arm because thats is also where don was pointing to.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 10, 2007, 03:42:46 PM
Your right swimmer, Nic does take his shirt off ...
I'll do some better screengrabs later ..
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/ep7pic.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: anon1akacolby on December 10, 2007, 06:15:13 PM

Just on a whim I looked around the entire Tuscany area for tattoo shops just in case the shop is not necessarily in Florence but maybe some where way off the beaten path but still in the Tuscany area.   I found 3 tattoo shops that have the "17" in the address.  I found these listings on this site: http://www.artemotore.com/tattoo/tatuaggitoscana.htm (http://www.artemotore.com/tattoo/tatuaggitoscana.htm)

Only one has a website and if you look at the website, the website gives a different address.  :cmaslol    At any rate, I thought I'd post this information anyway even if it doesn't help.  My thinking is maybe they fly into Florence and go to the first clue where they read what the FF is and where to go for the next task which is maybe outside of Florence.



TRIBAL TATTOO MARCO MONZA - via delle Buche, 17 - Porto Ercole (GR) tel.: 0564-830055

TATTOO MIC 90 - Michele Berretta - via A. Manzoni, 17 - 56025 Pontedera (PI) tel.: 0587-58284

RANDAGIO ART TATTOO STUDIO - Sergio Calonacci - via Vittorio Veneto, 19 - 50050 Gambassi Terme (FI) tel.: 0571-638948
http://www.randagiotattoo.com/ (http://www.randagiotattoo.com/)
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Boingo on December 10, 2007, 07:51:26 PM
 :cmas27  Given we have 2 weeks to solve the Tuscany leg, we have some time to focus on where the Goths are traveling.  Looks to me like an autostrada following a river  (as that appears to be a bridge up ahead spanning a ravine, or river gorge.).  Found a map which shows some roads along a river north of Florence.   :cmas5  Or is it the A1 or A11 to the west?   :angel:  Not much to work with.    :cmas19

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Post by: puddin on December 10, 2007, 08:01:26 PM
 :jumpy: I was just looking at the autostrada del sole and was headed for bologna, would you like one Boingo? mustard or mayo? damn those mountains are hard to match up! also I was in Fabro Scalo as well as ~

Via dell' Erta Canina
Fiesole
Tuscan hills
Monte Amiata
Torre Giunigi - Lucca - Italy
Vernazza
Tremezzo and Varenna

^^ to name a few  :groan:
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Boingo on December 10, 2007, 08:10:36 PM
:jumpy: I was just looking at the autostrada del sole and was headed for bologna, would you like one Boingo? mustard or mayo?

 :yess:  pepperoni pizza and beer for me!    :beer2:   how bout a drink?   :wine:
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Tyler on December 10, 2007, 08:11:15 PM
Kynt is yelling at her to stop the car. So for all we know they could be going in the wrong direction. So how reliable is it to go off of that as to where they are traveling?
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 10, 2007, 08:23:55 PM
:jumpy: I was just looking at the autostrada del sole and was headed for bologna, would you like one Boingo? mustard or mayo?

 :yess:  pepperoni pizza and beer for me!    :beer2:   how bout a drink?   :wine:
I'd love one Boingo :wine:  :cmas26 , is it Boboli pizza?   :jumpy:

Kynt is yelling at her to stop the car. So for all we know they could be going in the wrong direction. So how reliable is it to go off of that as to where they are traveling?
Hey we have to start somewhere  :cmaslol! They will probably Trakai us in Florence  (:;) but still I think we will see the Boboli gardens, a pitstop? just a hinky  :cmas51
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 10, 2007, 08:25:03 PM
Actually it looks like she's speeding and Kynt is just scared and it's probably over-editing
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Mister RC on December 10, 2007, 09:43:27 PM
One Team receives shocking news  at the Pit Stop that they liken to a “three-headed serpent that at any moment can spring forward.”

A penalty? maybe waiting out a penalty hoping that the next team doesn't arrive before the penalty is over?

That's what I'm thinking.  Or maybe Nic/Don finish first here, and learn that they are immune at the following Philimination point.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 10, 2007, 11:08:43 PM
The report is that they rolled their eyes and laughed when that was shown at their pizza party...
..as opposed to bitch slapping each other?  :meow:
You must have gotten them confused with JeNation.  :cmaslol :cmaslol :cmaslol
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: PHiLiP on December 10, 2007, 11:42:56 PM
its a tat(;
just saw the clip after ep.6.....its like nicolas and gramps went to the tats..for the FF
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: down_with_alli on December 11, 2007, 12:57:27 AM

Just on a whim I looked around the entire Tuscany area for tattoo shops just in case the shop is not necessarily in Florence but maybe some where way off the beaten path but still in the Tuscany area.   I found 3 tattoo shops that have the "17" in the address.  I found these listings on this site: http://www.artemotore.com/tattoo/tatuaggitoscana.htm (http://www.artemotore.com/tattoo/tatuaggitoscana.htm)

Only one has a website and if you look at the website, the website gives a different address.  :cmaslol    At any rate, I thought I'd post this information anyway even if it doesn't help.  My thinking is maybe they fly into Florence and go to the first clue where they read what the FF is and where to go for the next task which is maybe outside of Florence.



TRIBAL TATTOO MARCO MONZA - via delle Buche, 17 - Porto Ercole (GR) tel.: 0564-830055

TATTOO MIC 90 - Michele Berretta - via A. Manzoni, 17 - 56025 Pontedera (PI) tel.: 0587-58284

RANDAGIO ART TATTOO STUDIO - Sergio Calonacci - via Vittorio Veneto, 19 - 50050 Gambassi Terme (FI) tel.: 0571-638948
http://www.randagiotattoo.com/ (http://www.randagiotattoo.com/)


HOWEVER wouldn't they have some sort of part in there name that matches the sign? Because as pointed out by a few people some posts ago, the sign looks like it says "Fabro..." or "Fabio...". Hence I searched for tattoo shops in Florence and around the local area which may contain this phrase and there were really only 2 that jumped up at me:

STUDIO TATTOO
Fabio Pitti - via Chiara, 70 - Empoli (FI) tel.: 339-3308532

LASER LINE ART TATTOO by MARCORI FABRIZIO
50127 Firenze (FI) - 42, v. di Novoli
tel: 055 416318, 335 6381841
fax: 055 4486691
email: info@laserlinetattoo.com

Yes it's a long shot but meh you guys will figure it out.

ETA: I suck. I missed the number 17. Looks like you may be right.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: down_with_alli on December 11, 2007, 01:20:41 AM
Guys how about this one for a tattoo parlour!? It's located at number 17, is run/named after someone called Fabio it and is in Empoli (30 miles southwest of Florence which would make sense for them to drive a bit to there -> pitstop).

Dr.Fabio Pitti
(Ph.D. Psycology) (Ph.D. Psycology) 
Via Villani, 17 - Empoli (FI) Via Villani, 17 - Empoli (FI) 
Tel. Tel. 339-3308532 339-3308532 
e-mail: fabio.pitti@libero.it E-mail: fabio.pitti @ libero.it 

Tatuaggi a partire da Tattooing Rate
60, 00 € con migliaia di 60, 00 € with thousands of
disegni a scelta! Drawings choice! 

www.empolivirtuale.it/negozi/effettivi/tatuaggi.htm (http://www.empolivirtuale.it/negozi/effettivi/tatuaggi.htm)

P.S Anyone find it strange that he has a PHD in psychology? Is this going to be that torturous?
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gator27 on December 11, 2007, 06:21:39 AM
To start the next leg, Nick & the Don are in last place.  Why did none of the other teams try for the Fast Forward?  Are Nick & the Don far enough behind that the other teams feel they can stay ahead even if Nick & the Don get the FF? (Does Chateau have pitstop arrival times?)  Could we have a new FF rule that only the last place team is eligible?
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Zack. on December 11, 2007, 07:17:17 AM
To start the next leg, Nick & the Don are in last place.  Why did none of the other teams try for the Fast Forward?  Are Nick & the Don far enough behind that the other teams feel they can stay ahead even if Nick & the Don get the FF? (Does Chateau have pitstop arrival times?)  Could we have a new FF rule that only the last place team is eligible?

Bunching? Either flights (unlikely) or hours of operation  (very likely) allow Nick/Don to catch up with the others to get the FF clue. From there, it's a taxi race, which N/D can certainly win. This has happened before - Adam/Rebecca, BJ/Tyler, David/Mary (through some Chotrickery), and especially Lori/Bolo have all gotten the FF while in last (under the new rule; TAR 1-4 had different FF strategy).

I'm not Chateau (I just play one on message boards), but if I had to hazard a time guess, it would probably be:

Ron/Chris - 1:40
Goths - 1:45
Nate/Jen - 1:50
TK/Rachel - 4:00
Nick/Donald - 5:45

Given the speculative F3 (Nate/Jen, Nick/Donald, Bland/Blander) there has to either be some catch up provisions, major screw ups, and/or TBCs within the next few legs.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: patlini on December 11, 2007, 08:21:43 AM
if this is a standard 12 hour pitstop (who knows with this race)

they'll be released early in the night, so I think that they will all meet at the airport, on page 1 of this thread there are good flights listed.  These leave dubrovnik at 7.30am.  All teams should be able to make them.

I was wondering as to Nick/Don getting the fast forward, if there is self driving/nagivating I think those two will be in front.  They were the first to St Annes Church in Vilnius.

Also I'm pondering whether the fly into Pisa and drive towards florence  :cmas5
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Boingo on December 11, 2007, 10:04:47 AM
Guys how about this one for a tattoo parlour!? It's located at number 17, is run/named after someone called Fabio it and is in Empoli (30 miles southwest of Florence which would make sense for them to drive a bit to there -> pitstop).

Dr.Fabio Pitti
(Ph.D. Psycology) (Ph.D. Psycology) 
Via Villani, 17 - Empoli (FI) Via Villani, 17 - Empoli (FI) 
Tel. Tel. 339-3308532 339-3308532 
e-mail: fabio.pitti@libero.it E-mail: fabio.pitti @ libero.it 

Tatuaggi a partire da Tattooing Rate
60, 00 € con migliaia di 60, 00 € with thousands of
disegni a scelta! Drawings choice! 

www.empolivirtuale.it/negozi/effettivi/tatuaggi.htm (http://www.empolivirtuale.it/negozi/effettivi/tatuaggi.htm)

 :jumpy:  That may be it, down_with_alli!  Got this pix from the web site of the doctors office.  That sure looks like the picture board near the front door.  And that may be the statue in the corner.  Maybe puddin can get a higher def vidcap to confirm.  Good job, alli.   :cmas16

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Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: down_with_alli on December 11, 2007, 10:15:43 AM
Thanks Boingo! HOORAY I ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING!!!!!!1111one!!!

Just let me take in this moment. Ahhhhh.

Glad to help, I've been reading here ages so it feels good to contribute.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Boingo on December 11, 2007, 10:52:56 AM
 :whereru:  Looks like the big ice storm has knocked most everyone offline.   :smoke  Got the place all to myself 
... oh well, time for a nice soak..:HT
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 10:57:04 AM
 :cmaslol I'm here but I just woke up  :mas25
It looks good dwalli & Boingo but I can't get the statue, maybe the pic from the Dr. office is from the entrance? More Dr.Fabio Pitti pictures please!
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2007, 11:00:55 AM
Hiya Boingo!!  :xmas49 Ice storm?? It was 76 here yesterday! :cmaslol

Nice job Down with Alli! :yess:

MAP Florence to Empoli  LINK (http://www.multimap.com/maps/?title=Empoli%2C%20%2C%20Italy&t=l&map=43.7166,10.9389|13|4&loc=IT:43.7166:10.9389:13#t=l&map=43.71087,11.04739|13|4&loc=IT:43.7166:10.9389:13)

(http://aycu36.webshots.com/image/36675/2006254236067997474_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2006254236067997474)

There is also a straight forward train connection.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Boingo on December 11, 2007, 11:07:59 AM
 :cmas3  That's the only pix on the doctors web site, puddin.  The picture board is a match.  It appears to be near the front door.  Notice the hinges on the door in the doctors picture.  I suspect it swings open just like the door on the other side.  Compare it to the picture of the racers entering the shop and you can see the doors are symetrical.  They both swing inward.  I think I can make out the outlines of the statue in the vidcap.  Besides, this is the only tattoo artist i've seen that dresses in an apron (something a doctor would do).   :angel:   
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2007, 11:15:37 AM
MapQuest time/mileage estimates

(http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/34060/2004413886908348066_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004413886908348066)
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Kogs on December 11, 2007, 11:16:35 AM

 :whereru:  Looks like the big ice storm has knocked most everyone offline.   :smoke  Got the place all to myself   :angel:

... oh well, time for a nice soak..:HT

im here
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 11:18:59 AM
Theres quite a few tourist pictures at flickr

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Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 11:27:18 AM
and trains
(http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/35121/2002695430652143628_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002695430652143628)(http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/34731/2002690207255215634_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002690207255215634)(http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/35459/2002608583149698284_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002608583149698284)(http://aycu05.webshots.com/image/34684/2002672984395370722_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002672984395370722)(http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/36096/2000659785168416130_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000659785168416130)
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2007, 11:30:54 AM
INTERACTIVE MAP  (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?ovi=1&zoom=7&mapdata=qraDmchBZPDca5q9fzO7sGvln6p496fJLBvmk8dayQE67P3lHO42K8ffrJV62ZwcBf%2bN0QOQsI3cpot4fbBWTirFpwXmJIoH%2fnOLa%2bUlBLyZEVI3CzHv0PxCyeGPBBdalyt5xTdFc4uISPeomO3DOHsUJF1Gt1nJptFuJ57YIIk9GON8E9clkAhEE%2b%2bcUnZOti5pWgPmdbo%2fxBu26vYJzzmnWYEJiz6iiJjWj62SjlwJCNbjORYYUdonoRCFt5zsfjW5gdqJqPyl1ksTvYCaGbNBblN%2bPXx%2br4oUeGEbjBXrKWh9fUb1xsJAqW5SGqc0XLeaX4Pspyxg5SjFM4ClnRMpdptZ%2bLTRvTdwrNTpY8lu2Pb3xb2zpIk2DlNqmzqqvOl9L2GrmGN%2fCZN0H1vMMvSa8DnruVck6SpRHXzmwIi5PrlxwZt6SfDdtQ0dbZ6Gm95mCaX%2bg0Z%2fDDRNV%2fFCQLJiFekfvLpxZT6Z99981vOz3ToOMblkW1bvz3%2fBVC%2bIGIOP5njRCF%2bm%2bc%2fjLNAh%2bln69QdAw4pruz7vhznX6umfz3HJUIP6AGBS2c%2bkRI60ZyuA7M2X7Y7X2MjzexFt8A2CcS90dMlblNyNWx1ll8sdjAfTgsQ%2br77aAcv5ObfJz3%2fuFvTfjL%2f3xhyZeIYkWsVsS0TfbdzFSGwwTTeu4GBxxIN3pY9%2b2fUZsM%2bKWNb3pDGaMM5CIit0XnYjfeEnZwN59pepSPgeQegOcSGJBcAItB1IGCTHYblSKxBRT93lxhBXzqmdsyZiL%2bZwdpjH3faZDEB31lwswAnkhhl2MQfkfR3xn0jl0levik4UlIi4Jg2FpcRC3dGo95tAIZxsuAG2MPWTJWJXJBkkloCRltyKOFXXk%2fwRlIfzGFd1nyUxpfqORjn7kWzybMpjGv7hzw%3d%3d#map1-linkmap1-link)

And I sent an email asking for directions and photos! :cmaslol
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Boingo on December 11, 2007, 11:31:50 AM
:badhorse:  Via Villani, Empoli

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Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2007, 11:46:19 AM
Yay Boingo! I was going cross-eyed looking!

May I have the link to that please for MAPS! ?

how to take the train ("There is an hourly parking lot several hundred meters past the Empoli train station. You can buy a ticket for the number of hours you expect to be in Florence. Do not park in the spots opposite the train station because they have a very short maximum time limit. Return train tickets can be purchased for around 10 euros per adult and at a reduced rate for children between the ages of x and y. Look at the posted schedule which lists all trains departing Firenze for various locations around Italy, and locate the ones which go to Pisa-Livorno and which stop in Empoli. The stops are all listed, and Empoli will be the 3rd or 4th stop from Firenze. The departure platform number in the Empoli and Firenze stations are also indicated on the schedule. For example, trains going to Firenze from Empoli leave from platform 1, which will help you find this on the schedule, which is in Italian. Make sure to stamp your ticket as you leave the station and enter the platform area."


Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Boingo on December 11, 2007, 11:59:51 AM
Yay Boingo! I was going cross-eyed looking!

May I have the link to that please for MAPS! ?


http://www.vitaincentro.com/map/empoli/mercato.html

It's an interactive map.  Just select "Via Villani" from the "Strada..." drop down box.   :cmas27
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2007, 12:07:52 PM
Thanks Boingo! it is a nice one! :kisses
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: egnsixteen on December 11, 2007, 12:15:56 PM
 :jumpy: I'm excited to see that they're finally exploring the Tuscany area. I spent my birthday there  a couple of years ago and it was soo beautiful. Just a speculation: Its possible that the teams landed in Firenze and had to find the next clue/do some task while in the city. Since most of historic Florence is for pedestrians only, I doubt that they made them drive here. The driving scenes we saw from the preview were definitely way out of old town Florence, and more of the typical small towns that surrounding the city. With regards the Empoli, its basically the main connection point for trains in that region. It branches into three main directions; North East for Firenze, North West for Pisa/La Spezia and the Italian Riviera and South towards Siena and the rest of Tuscany.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 12:29:41 PM
Thanks Boingo! it is a nice one! :kisses
I bet you hear that a lot Boingo  :cmas22
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Boingo on December 11, 2007, 12:33:56 PM
Thanks Boingo! it is a nice one! :kisses
I bet you hear that a lot Boingo  :cmas22

 :-[
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Post by: michael on December 11, 2007, 02:11:20 PM
 :cmas4
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2007, 02:27:12 PM
Well those are the Florence drummers:
Quote
The marchers are in full renaissance regalia: costumes, plumed hats, carrying flags of Florence (three ostrich plumes arrayed like a fleur-de-lys).


(http://aycu39.webshots.com/image/35038/2001315801849201607_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001315801849201607)

But are they IN Florence??
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 02:41:57 PM
---Vinci  (http://www.welcometuscany.it/tuscany/chianti/vinci-map-village-leonardo-da-vinci-town-florence-tuscany-italy-big.jpg) ?
eta: Yeah its called L'uomo di Vinci   (http://www.comuni-italiani.it/048/050/foto/index.html) !! --or something like that.
The city born them of the great Leonardo genius, accommodates the sculpture in wood of Mario Ceroli that represents the most famous vitruviano man of the great master of the Italian art. The sculpture represents the registered human body in the geometric figures of the square and the circle. The sculpture was inaugurated in 1987 and is today an attractive pole for wharves tourists who o in native place.
eta: Leonardo da Vinci museum, Vinci, Italy
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2007, 02:50:52 PM
it is a wooden sculpture based on Leonardo's man--on the plaza in  VINCI (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.comuni-italiani.it/imco/048/050/scultura.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.comuni-italiani.it/048/050/foto/index.html&h=300&w=400&sz=88&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=NO66v2TnCGrj3M:&tbnh=93&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dl%2527uomo%2Bdi%2Bvinci%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DGFRC,GFRC:2007-02,GFRC:en%26sa%3DN) Leonardo's birth town...



oops--puddin beat me to it!

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Post by: anon1akacolby on December 11, 2007, 02:53:22 PM

Darn!  I knew you guys would post if before I did!   :cmaslol

More info: http://www.italianvisits.com/tuscany/vinci/index.htm (http://www.italianvisits.com/tuscany/vinci/index.htm)
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 02:59:47 PM
See when I searched Faltognano, eventually it took me to Vinci  :cmaslol

(http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/36289/2005736750392464032_th.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005736750392464032)(http://aycu08.webshots.com/image/34887/2003614156237603661_th.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003614156237603661)(http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/36517/2003155441064493750_th.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003155441064493750)(http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/37461/2000526158465923288_th.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000526158465923288)(http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/38050/2006273667931249022_th.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2006273667931249022)(http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/36543/2004697792678867761_th.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004697792678867761)
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2007, 03:02:40 PM
But the question is--what took you to Faltognano?? ???
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Post by: anon1akacolby on December 11, 2007, 03:16:22 PM
Funny how we all found it differently. I googled "tuscany wood sculptures" and then changed it to just "tuscany sculptures" and found it. 

From the looks of the map, Vinci is due North of Empoli.......6.93 miles to be exact.  Also, from the map, the River Arno runs past Empoli.  Could the screencap of Kynt/Vixen toward that bridge be on their drive to Empoli?  Based upon the bridge and river being on the right side of their car.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/anon1akacolby/vinci-empolimap.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2007, 03:28:03 PM
Kynt/Vyxsin may not go to Empoli--that is the site of the FF....

We don't know where the Pitstop is but I had been leaning towards the Coffeehouse in the Boboli Gardens--but that could be the site of the first cluebox instead.

There are some scenic drives in the area though.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 03:29:23 PM
But the question is--what took you to Faltognano?? ???
Faltagnano, Vinci Tuscany - Birthplace of Leonardo da Vinci (http://www.tuscanjourney.org/tuscan-itineraries/leonardo-from-vinci/)
eta: --the village of Vinci, the first village you reach after leaving Faltognano.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 03:58:21 PM
Darn it was there the whole time  :knuckles:

introflash

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Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2007, 04:00:16 PM
WHERE was that??!! In the INTRO vidcaps?? or in this weeks preview?
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: anon1akacolby on December 11, 2007, 04:12:48 PM
Quote
We don't know where the Pitstop is but I had been leaning towards the Coffeehouse in the Boboli Gardens--but that could be the site of the first cluebox instead.

I'm thinking the first cluebox perhaps.  The Boboli Gardens, in my opinion, is too touristy of an area to have the pitstop.  too many people around to have Phil and cameras waiting for the teams.    I would figure that the pit stop, or faux pit stop if it is a TBC leg, to be at a more obscure out of the way place, e.g., a castle, winery, resort, etc.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 04:14:15 PM
WHERE was that??!! In the INTRO vidcaps?? or in this weeks preview?
Introcaps peachs, still waiting on the promo BUT it is an off week so who knows with CBS  :cmas5
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 04:15:49 PM
Quote
We don't know where the Pitstop is but I had been leaning towards the Coffeehouse in the Boboli Gardens--but that could be the site of the first cluebox instead.

I'm thinking the first cluebox perhaps.  The Boboli Gardens, in my opinion, is too touristy of an area to have the pitstop.  too many people around to have Phil and cameras waiting for the teams.    I would figure that the pit stop, or faux pit stop if it is a TBC leg, to be at a more obscure out of the way place, e.g., a castle, winery, resort, etc.
We have a Fast Forward, really I can't see this being a TBC.. imagine that? Taking the FF then be told to keep racing.
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2007, 04:17:29 PM
I never saw that in the Introcaps--did I?  :groan:

I might have to scream now....



Wonder if we will get promos this week at all? Could be next week even....
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 11, 2007, 04:18:53 PM
Yeah IA with puddin - a FF on a TBC leg wouldn't really work out
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 04:22:59 PM
I never saw that in the Introcaps--did I?  :groan:

I might have to scream now....
 


Wonder if we will get promos this week at all? Could be next week even....

page 1 mish mash peachs (i hate when that happens, lol)
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 04:33:42 PM
These are from our picture source -- and this is why I think Boboli is later as in Pitstop. Our source had a similar picture for Dubrovnik  and the Rumsiskes mill ------

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Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: north09 on December 11, 2007, 05:40:51 PM
so are they still going to Florence or just to Vinci?
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: down_with_alli on December 11, 2007, 08:51:13 PM
I'm still looking into Dr. Fabio Pitti and the tattoo place he owns. And I think they'll make them drive to the FF, Empoli is only a fair distance from Florence (or wherever they are now haha).
Title: Re: EP7~12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 11, 2007, 10:13:00 PM
Search "sbandieratori" for photos/videos/etc. on flag-throwers; some background here (http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/xf-thro.html). The uniforms match those of the official flag-throwers of Florence (click the media page here (http://www.bandieraidegliuffizi.it//index.php?lang=eng)).
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 12, 2007, 10:38:53 AM
If we can get a lot of tourist shots of the Vinci ball then I may be able to get it situated wrt NorthSouthEastWest.

GE is too fuzzy at that location to see it.  But if I can place it in relation to the nearby roads then I will have sufficient orientation to get a time of day.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 12, 2007, 10:56:53 AM
working on it Chateau  :yess:

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 12, 2007, 11:16:18 AM
It's kind of a crude work-around, but there's a map of Vinci here (http://www.welcometuscany.it/tuscany/chianti/vinci-map-village-leonardo-da-vinci-town-florence-tuscany-italy-big.jpg): the "scultura lignea di M. Ceroli" is the sculpture we want. Comparing it to Google and Michelin street map, I'm guessing the cap viewpoint is towards Via Rossi and the southeast.

Strike that: if you can see the tree, that means the viewpoint is more towards the northeast.

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 12, 2007, 11:48:27 AM
Thanks guys, that will work just great.

I'll have the time this evening. Already I can tell you that it is in the 9 to noon range.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 12, 2007, 11:48:57 AM
Here:  CLICK HERE for 13 more!

 
Vinci

This guy has a little GE map and I was trying to think I saw it?:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/matstrange/with/1260411803/
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 12, 2007, 12:19:45 PM
Vinci GE:  With the Pano in the WRONG PLACE!!! see below!!

(http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/35519/2002714128449392190_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002714128449392190)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 12, 2007, 01:02:47 PM
The trouble with Pano is that it runs on the honor system, and the geotagging can be accurate...or not. The museum and vitruvio are at the north end of town. Overhead shots here (http://www.prolocovinci.com/) and a Via Rossi angle here (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Vinci-mura.jpg).

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 12, 2007, 01:07:41 PM
GE is like wiki?? It can be WRONG? Who knew? :lol3:

Your overhead shot is the best yet! NICE!

too nice to hide: SLOWHATCH's overhead view:

(http://aycu37.webshots.com/image/36676/2005543312387272685_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005543312387272685)

Now if Chateau can't get us times with all this kind of help from the elves....
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 12, 2007, 01:08:01 PM
Very nice Slowhatch & peach! Good link Slowhatch!  :yess:, those are the shots I could not find :gj:.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 12, 2007, 01:44:23 PM
Okay--I think this one may finally be  right! Incorporating Chateau's input from below...

Vinci GE task location:

(http://aycu31.webshots.com/image/38070/2005569643447609898_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005569643447609898)






Remind me to stay out of GE please! Heeee!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 12, 2007, 01:50:55 PM
Apskip, I think we are looking at what might be a Roadblock "twirl the flags" but since we can't see if Vyxsin is doing it too--it could be a Detour as well. And we are in Vinci Italy now....

But we need input on if/when/how teams can get into Italy. Vinci is only about 30 minutes from Florence so could they arrive at the airport, come directly here for a Roadblock (maybe drive yourself to Leonardo di Vinci's birthplace) and be here by noon??

Or maybe we will get some "creative scheduling" like on the last leg.... leave at 1AM indeed!

Are they flying into Florence or maybe even Pisa as patlini mentioned?
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 12, 2007, 02:09:31 PM
Acually, Peach, from Slowhatch's map, I think it's this one.  There is even a little bit of shadow for the sculpture.

The line with two red dots is 20 feet long.  I used it as a scale to help guage the size of blurry stuff.

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 12, 2007, 02:40:13 PM
Thanks guys--I should KNOW better than to mess with GE! :lol3:

This picture shows at your location which thanks to Slowhatch's pretty overhead IS at the right place......

(http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/35972/2003488073946243053_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003488073946243053)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 12, 2007, 10:18:53 PM
Apskip, I think we are looking at what might be a Roadblock "twirl the flags" but since we can't see if Vyxsin is doing it too--it could be a Detour as well. And we are in Vinci Italy now....

But we need input on if/when/how teams can get into Italy. Vinci is only about 30 minutes from Florence so could they arrive at the airport, come directly here for a Roadblock (maybe drive yourself to Leonardo di Vinci's birthplace) and be here by noon??

Or maybe we will get some "creative scheduling" like on the last leg.... leave at 1AM indeed!

Are they flying into Florence or maybe even Pisa as patlini mentioned?

Pisa is out of the question. It works only for flights from Paris-CDG. From places reachable from Dubrovnik on Friday July 20, which is the short list of Zagreb and Frankfurt, it does not work at all. Teams wanting to get there in the morning will go through Frankfurt to get to Florence-Peretola airport.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 12, 2007, 10:26:26 PM
On the question of distance and time from Florence Peretola airport to Vinci, it is 28.73 miles and 49 minutes. I investigated bus and train possibilities, but I ahve not yet discovered anything for Vinci, which appears to be off the beaten track.

 1: Start out going WEST on VIALE SPARTACO LAVAGNINI toward VIA ENRICO POGGI. 0.1 miles Map
 
 2: VIALE SPARTACO LAVAGNINI becomes VIALE FILIPPO STROZZI. <0.1 miles Map
 
 3: Keep LEFT at the fork to continue on VIALE FILIPPO STROZZI. 0.2 miles Map
 
 4: Keep RIGHT at the fork to continue on VIALE FILIPPO STROZZI. <0.1 miles Map
 
 5: VIALE FILIPPO STROZZI becomes VIALE BELFIORE. 0.3 miles Map
 
 6: VIALE BELFIORE becomes PIAZZALE DI PORTA AL PRATO. <0.1 miles Map
 
 7: Stay STRAIGHT to go onto VIALE FRATELLI ROSSELLI. <0.1 miles Map
 
 8: VIALE FRATELLI ROSSELLI becomes PIAZZA VITTORIO VENETO. 0.2 miles Map
 
 9: PIAZZA VITTORIO VENETO becomes PONTE DELLA VITTORIA. <0.1 miles Map
 
 10: Stay STRAIGHT to go onto PIAZZA TADDEO GADDI. Pass through 1 roundabout. <0.1 miles Map
 
 11: Keep RIGHT at the fork to continue on PIAZZA TADDEO GADDI. <0.1 miles Map
 
 12: PIAZZA TADDEO GADDI becomes VIA DEI VANNI. 0.2 miles Map
 
 13: VIA DEI VANNI becomes PIAZZA PAOLO UCCELLO. <0.1 miles Map
 
 14: Stay STRAIGHT to go onto VIA DEL SANSOVINO. 0.3 miles Map
 
 15: Stay STRAIGHT to go onto VIALE FRANCESCO TALENTI. 0.1 miles Map
 
 16: Keep RIGHT at the fork to continue on VIALE FRANCESCO TALENTI. Pass through 1 roundabout. 0.3 miles Map
 
 17: Stay STRAIGHT to go onto VIALE ETRURIA. 0.8 miles Map
 
 18: Turn SLIGHT RIGHT onto STRADA DI GRANDE COMUNICAZIONE FI-PI-LI / SUPERSTRADA FIRENZE-PISA-LIVORNO. Continue to follow STRADA DI GRANDE COMUNICAZIONE FI-PI-LI. 18.2 miles Map
 
 19: Take the ramp toward EMPOLI OVEST / PONTE A ELSA. 0.3 miles Map
 
 20: Enter next roundabout and take 1st exit onto VIA PRIMO MAGGIO. 0.1 miles Map
 
 21: Turn SLIGHT RIGHT onto VIA VAL D'ELSA / SP10 / STRADA PROVINCIALE VAL D'ELSA. Continue to follow VIA VAL D'ELSA. 1.2 miles Map
 
 22: VIA VAL D'ELSA becomes SP11 / VIA PROVINCIALE LA MOTTA / STRADA PROVINCIALE PISANA PER FUCECCHIO. 0.2 miles Map
 
 23: Enter next roundabout and take 1st exit onto SP112 / STRADA PROVINCIALE DELLA MOTTA. 1.4 miles Map
 
 24: Turn LEFT onto STRADA PROVINCIALE MONTALBANO / SP13. 0.4 miles Map
 
 25: Enter next roundabout and take 2nd exit onto VIA PROVINCIALE DI MERCATALE / SP13 / STRADA PROVINCIALE MONTALBANO. 2.3 miles Map
 
 26: Enter next roundabout and take 1st exit onto SP13 / STRADA PROVINCIALE MONTALBANO. 0.8 miles Map
 
 27: End at Vinci, Toscana IT  Map
 
Total Est. Time: 49 minutes     Total Est. Distance: 28.73 miles  
                                 Advanced OptionsShortest Time
 Avoid Highways
 Avoid Tolls
 Avoid Seasonally-Closed Roads
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The nice MapQuest map that can be used to interpret the above is at
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/europe.adp?go=1&do=nw&rmm=1&un=m&cl=EN&qq=1ADqpk24ofDJKmAyur5Ad0kyL8DZZYhqavcEzEA7hyIJFSMIW0sOURmsSNS5WPrBl9W4qBnfA6EOrODSGNMRSMkMHD%252fcigH9s1CWNzH9SiLuT%252fJEH0fOd4P5L1tThj%252b9&ct=EU&r=f&rsres=1&1y=IT&1a=&1c=Florence&1z=&panelbtn=1&2y=IT&2a=&2c=Vinci&2z=
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 12, 2007, 11:26:19 PM
DO I have the flight info straight in my mind? The earliest flight to Florence gets teams in at 1220--otherwise they are scattered from 2 to after 6?

And remember that Eilan was in the airport that morning (7/20) and was on a "pre-dawn" flight via Zagreb full of production--all of whom got off at Zagreb to change planes. But at that hour she saw NO racers either in the airport or on her plane. And she was looking!

So are TPTB going to be giving us a pure fantasy 12-hour atypical pitstop again with a later start?? Last time there was no way teams checked in at sunset and departed at 1....

Because if teams arrive in Florence late afternoon there is going to be some bunching somewhere since we have Chateau claiming the Flag tossing task as between 9AM and noon (better times promised for later).

And a nighttime bunch seems very strange with a FF on the table....

Maybe this is all to line us up for the right flights Florence to India (Mumbai?) ....
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 13, 2007, 12:59:02 AM
This shot was taken between 12:14 and 12:23 pm (assumes July 21st).

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 13, 2007, 01:08:22 AM
YAY Chateau!!

But this makes it hard since the first flights don't arrive till about then on the 20th....so wonder if it turns out to be on the 21st somehow??  But a big bunching when there is a FF doesn't make sense. Wonder if they have an 18 hour pitstop? That would work I think...

Would the time here be about the same if it was on the 21st??
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 13, 2007, 01:20:06 AM
 :mas25  look at the 'assumes'   :mas25
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 13, 2007, 01:29:41 AM
 :cmas9 Thanks.  :cmas16 I'm not sure if I'm reading this general timetable (http://www.aeroporto.firenze.it/orario_generale/ORARIO_dal_28_OTT_07_al_31_GEN_08.pdf) correctly, but it looks like there's several morning arrivals to choose from.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 13, 2007, 01:30:58 AM

Love this song and always think about you Chateau when I hear it :xmas49, thank you Rocketman :luvu:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 13, 2007, 01:55:02 AM
:cmas9 Thanks.  :cmas16 I'm not sure if I'm reading this general timetable (http://www.aeroporto.firenze.it/orario_generale/ORARIO_dal_28_OTT_07_al_31_GEN_08.pdf) correctly, but it looks like there's several morning arrivals to choose from.

Exactly so, SLOWHATCH, but have you given any thought to how a team might get to any of these cities in time to make the earlier departure time needed for these arrival times in Firenza:

Milan 1110
Rome 1030
Amsterdam 1155
Brussels 920
Frankfurt 920 (note-departs 730)
Lyon 1035
Paris 0915
Timisoara 1025

Oh, here's the one we might need: Monaco 1020

Forget it! None of these cities can be reached on July 20 starting from Dubrovnik's 0630 flight to Zagreb or 0730 flight to Frankfurt. The only city that has any chance besides Frankfurt(which is how they will go unless a team cannot make the 0730 departure or cannot find seats on that flight) is Paris-CDG. The problem it has is that in order to get to Paris you have to go through Frankfurt, so why bother. The best routing possible through Paris is:

OU418 DBV FRA 0730 0935
AF1519 FRA CDG 1040 1200
AZ7805 CDG FLR 1320 1520
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 13, 2007, 01:55:15 AM
:mas25  look at the 'assumes'   :mas25

Oh gosh!  :groan: :groan: You are way ahead of me Rocketman!  :cmas17

And Slowhatch--they have been working on this awhile in Timelines--I think the problem is connections out of Dubrovnik --believe they have to go via Frankfort or Zagreb--but I'll let apskip handle this part--But I think the earliest arrival they have been able to manage is 1220...

I tried this part too while apskip was cruising and I nearly went insane! :cmas18

Heh--didn't see you there apskip!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 13, 2007, 01:59:30 AM
I think the 0630 flight is maybe the one Eilan was on with tons of production but NO racers anywhere....leading me to think another atypical Pitstop time...otherwise she would have seen them at the airport...
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 13, 2007, 02:09:48 AM
Peach, I have had problems staying asleep so to tire myself out I am trying to do the most fascinating thing I know - airline schedules work. The only obvious solution to your conundrum is that teams have another crazy non-12 hour pistop in Dubrovnik and come out sometime in the afternoon at a time which gets all teams to Florence(last place Donald and Nic have to be there so they can do the Fast Forward on July 21). There are a number of flight possiblities for the afternoon that I have indicated are feasible. Here are those possibilities:

OU384 DBV FCO 1555 1700
AZ1679 FCO FLR 1740 1850

OU669 DBV ZAG 1300 1355
LH3483 ZAG FRA 1435 1620
LH4064(not a legal connection; only possible if LH3483 arrives quite early) FRA FLR 1630 1800 or LH4066 2105 2235

OU669 DBV ZAG 1300 1355
OU414 ZAG FRA 1755 1930
LH4066 FRA FLR 2105 2235

All of these would lead to some sort of hours of operation stop once on the ground in the Fflorence area. It could also lead to some major bunching, which would be no surprise as we have had less of that than usual.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 13, 2007, 02:18:30 AM
Staying asleep? I'm just thinking about GOING to sleep!  :cmaslol

But thanks for all the info!  And yes, I think another funny pitstop time is the answer. But bunching when we know we have a FF is strange, isn't it? Can't remember if that happens?
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gator27 on December 13, 2007, 06:42:38 AM


But thanks for all the info!  And yes, I think another funny pitstop time is the answer. But bunching when we know we have a FF is strange, isn't it? Can't remember if that happens?

It seems that if the PitStop is 12 hr, Phil says something like this ... Ron and Christina were the first to arrive at 3 pm and will depart at 3 am.

With a non-12hr PitStop, Phil changes to something like this ... Ron and Christina were the first to arrive, and will depart at 7 am.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gator27 on December 13, 2007, 06:46:31 AM
I originally wondered how Nick and the Don got the FF when they were last to leave the PitStop.  And then someone reminded me of bunching.

Bunching on a FF leg makes more sense, because it gives all teams access to the FF and/or it may create a race for the FF (and the loser would be really up a creek :kayak:).
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Zack. on December 13, 2007, 08:13:48 AM


But thanks for all the info!  And yes, I think another funny pitstop time is the answer. But bunching when we know we have a FF is strange, isn't it? Can't remember if that happens?

It seems that if the PitStop is 12 hr, Phil says something like this ... Ron and Christina were the first to arrive at 3 pm and will depart at 3 am.

With a non-12hr PitStop, Phil changes to something like this ... Ron and Christina were the first to arrive, and will depart at 7 am.


Except that this past leg, Phil said that "TK and Rachel, who blahblahblah at 1 pm, will depart at 1 am." which, from what I've gathered from Timelines, is not so much with the Real Truth Flavor (tm Ronald).

I think nonstandard pistops are to throw the spoiler detectives off  :lol3: (and for safety/bunching, obviously)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: serendipity on December 13, 2007, 10:59:44 AM
I would say that if it is a non standard pit stop for the next leg, then all teams except Nicolas/Donald are screwed, since N/D probably could not catch up if the pit stop is only 12hrs.

Maybe there is a bunching point in Florence, but I don't think so because at the planning stage the producers should assume all teams can check in in Dubrovnik before 3pm without all those delays, so they don't necessarily make a bunching point in Florence.

Another situation is that the other teams don't take the FF because they know N/D are behind, so N/D taking FF may not mean they are first.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: anon1akacolby on December 13, 2007, 12:07:20 PM
Have you guys tried looking at flights into Bologna?  Just a thought.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 13, 2007, 12:15:10 PM
Colby, we haven't and for multiple good reaons. The 730am flight from Dubrovnik to Frankfurt connecting with the 1050am flight to Florence take a total time of 4 hours 50 minutes. Given the start and end cities, we are not going to beat that with any other routing. Bologna is an industrial and educational city that probably does not have as large an airport as Florence. Even if it did, World Race Prductions has traditionally not allowed "fly and drive long distances" approaches to getting to the next clue. This type of argument was old when GMAN tried it weeks ago with Milan. Let it rest in peace! However, if you want to invest your time in investigating the flight options into Bologna, feel free.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: anon1akacolby on December 13, 2007, 01:05:38 PM
Geez, sorry I suggested it.   A  simple "we've looked into and it wouldn't work" would have sufficed.

Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 13, 2007, 01:13:54 PM
 :cmaslol :mechbull:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 13, 2007, 01:14:55 PM
Just trying to pull Florence together...

Flights arrive from Dubrovnik 1220 onwards, teams not seen in the Dubrovnik airport around 6AM on the 20th suggesting a funky Dubrovnik pitstop time with a later departure and possible late afternoon arrivals into Florence.

From intro vidcaps we have the Duomo and the coffeehouse in the Boboli Gardens.

We have a tattooing FF in Empoli.

We have what looks like a Roadblock (but cannot yet rule out that this could be a Detour) Definite Detour--Flag tossing in Vinci, and thanks to Chateau we know that Kynt is there noonish on the 21st.

We have teams self driving in the Italian countryside.


Thanks to apskip's work in Timelines we have early morning flights to Mumbai on the 22nd.

Now for spec:

Since we  may have an afternoon arrival, we are going to need an Hours of OP to explain some bunching and why teams are not seen doing tasks till noon when they cannot BE there from Dubrovnik that early--making us need a 7/21 start.

So I like climb the Duomo to get your clue with a morning start on 7/21, but don't think TPTB would leave them there to sleep during the height of tourist season. So maybe make your way to the awesome monastery that overlooks the city where you can hear the Gregorian chants at sunset and also have a place to stay. Only wish I could remember the name!

Get your cars somewhere (this is puzzling because driving in Florence is very limited...)

Nick/Don FF it to Empoli for a this is forever moment.

Other teams to Vinci (I hope the clue only says find the town of Leonardo's birthplace!) where they do a flag-tossing Detour.

Then perhaps back to Florence (although I still don't like the idea of them driving into Florence--maybe a go to _____ and catch the train?) where they climb the Duomo to get their next Detour clue if they didn't do that first.

Given that Florence is the art history capital of the world, I wouldn't be surprised if the Detours involved finding some of Di Vinci's sculptures or paintings (just to stay with a theme!). And those Segway tours around Florence looked like SO much fun....

Then on to the Boboli Coffeehouse for the Pitstop...with all teams in by 4 or 5PM.

Well that was fun for me anyway--even if it ends up having no bearing on reality! :cmaslol


Now--we need some more previews!!

View from the Duomo:
(http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/38165/2005477571131860196_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005477571131860196)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: patlini on December 13, 2007, 01:19:37 PM
What I'm curious about is the fact that the race wasn't spotted at all in Florence in the height of Tourist season. 
It was spotted practically everywhere else bar Ireland and Lithuania so far.

Ireland I can understand because of self driving and the remoteness of the location, but I would have expected spotting in a place like Florence similiar to Dubrovnik's.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 13, 2007, 01:31:53 PM
That is a huge puzzle for sure. Since a gazillion American college students descend on Florence for art courses in the summer--you would think someone would have seen them, wouldn't you? That's a mystery unless the Intro vidcaps are misleading us...
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 13, 2007, 02:16:07 PM
patlini and Peach, I believe that the answer is before us. The 5 teams DO NOT spend any significant time in downtown Florence, except possibly right after the airport at one of the "get the clue and go on to" stops when there are few tourists around to see it. They have to have cars to get around because they are driving around the countryside. I once tried to do a fine dining experience in the suburbs of Florence without a car; it was murder on public transportation; you could do it but it took so long. Teams will be driving around 10 to 30 km outside of the city center and doing suburban kinds of things. I personally doubt that any art museums are going to be on their task list even though that is what Florence is most famous for. Instead, we are going to be treated to the sight of one or two tatoos. Yuck! At least we are going to enjoy the costumed flag tossers, which could be the most exciting thing that happens on this leg.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 13, 2007, 02:23:28 PM
You all are cracking me up today  :cmaslol , who wants to bet that we get 20+ primetime minutes of teams scrambling for flights?
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 13, 2007, 03:28:15 PM
You all are cracking me up today  :cmaslol , who wants to bet that we get 20+ primetime minutes of teams scrambling for flights?

I do!!!!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 13, 2007, 10:30:22 PM
I want to make that bet, puddin. The flight choices are trivial, with every team going out of Dubrovnik on the same flight at the same time if it's the afternoon flight AND if World Race Productions has not set a capacity limit below 5 teams. There is no drama in connecting through Frankfurt. If they miss one to Florence, there should be one hours later. I do not think that flight stuff will take up more than about 12 minutes of non-commercial show time on Sunday night.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 13, 2007, 10:34:39 PM
I want to make that bet, puddin. The flight choices are trivial, with every team going out of Dubrovnik on the same flight at the same time if it's the afternoon flight AND if World Race Productions has not set a capacity limit below 5 teams. There is no drama in connecting through Frankfurt. If they miss one to Florence, there should be one hours later. I do not think that flight stuff will take up more than about 12 minutes of non-commercial show time on Sunday night.
I hope your right apskips, more racing please, more scenery please and some commercials/promos would be nice, I'll be pissed if we have to wait until Survivor Sunday night to see something  :cmas13
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 13, 2007, 11:45:38 PM
You all are cracking me up today  :cmaslol , who wants to bet that we get 20+ primetime minutes of teams scrambling for flights?
That would be just great to recap.  (:;) (:;) (:;) (:;)

I think at the end, I did 18-20 paragraphs on airport drama for Ep. 6. I really don't want to do that again.  :pull :pull :pull
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 14, 2007, 09:59:01 AM
Ken, let's face it. In a time-short race around the world with sometimes major distances between legs, the travel agency and airport drama is going to be critical in many legs. It would be nice if there was more other action that demanded airtime. However, if you want that you have to watch Amazing Race Asia 2 or A Corrida Milionaria.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: tarbuckeye on December 14, 2007, 09:07:22 PM
Have loved this thread.  Just got back from Europe.  We were there  two weeks, Brussels, Milan, Venice and Florence.   :jumpy:  Of course, I was just 5 months behind the race...The story of my life...
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 14, 2007, 09:29:36 PM
Have loved this thread.  Just got back from Europe.  We were there  two weeks, Brussels, Milan, Venice and Florence.   :jumpy:  Of course, I was just 5 months behind the race...The story of my life...
:jumpy: Do you have my correct address to send my gifts?

just kidding, welcome home  :xmas49
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 15, 2007, 08:29:43 PM
So when you look at the WHOLE picture and not the chopped one... :cmaslol

We can see that this is a DETOUR not a Roadblock and that one team has trouble:

(http://aycu08.webshots.com/image/36407/2005420970805902394_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005420970805902394)

(http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/36650/2002546207608494687_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002546207608494687)

So maybe Detour first after some bunching/ hours of op?

These we have Intro vidcaps for--so could be initial cluebox or possibly Pitstop...

Boboli Gardens hours--last enty by 6:30PM in July

(http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/37045/2002874862232243917_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002874862232243917)


Duomo--last entry by  6:20PM (assumes Friday the 20th of July)
(http://aycu26.webshots.com/image/35185/2002871620492499908_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002871620492499908)







Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: tarbuckeye on December 16, 2007, 05:16:32 PM
Puddin...Have the address but TSA would not let us take our Chianti Classico on the plane... :cmas4.  So we ate the Belgian Chocolate to console our selves.... :cmas50
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2007, 05:21:56 PM
Puddin...Have the address but TSA would not let us take our Chianti Classico on the plane... :cmas4.  So we ate the Belgian Chocolate to console our selves.... :cmas50
Chocolate is what keeps puddin going buckeye but I'll forgive you  :cmas20 , flashs of Lucy eating the "What baby?" 30-pound cheese when returning to the USA from Europe    :cmaslol.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2007, 07:02:01 PM
Oh my some sort of Vinci flying machines? propellers? more later  :cmas26
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2007, 07:08:36 PM
Ultra-lights!! I saw them too!

OH BOY!!   :jumpy: :cmas9 :jumpy:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 16, 2007, 07:16:17 PM
Did it resemble these?

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Kogs on December 16, 2007, 07:29:56 PM
Oh my some sort of Vinci flying machines? propellers? more later  :cmas26

something out of you only live twice
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2007, 07:30:22 PM
Well I caught it out of the corner of my eye--it looked the size of an ultralight but with a helicopter style top...

So yeah--maybe a little? Gosh--I hope they show it again!

There is an airfield VALDERA airfield (http://www.pipistrel.it/pem/pem.htm) that does ultralights and also skydiving...
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2007, 07:38:15 PM
NOT an ultralight!!

It was a GYRO (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.msgyro.com/photos/BookCover.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.msgyro.com/&h=593&w=376&sz=34&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=lfQeT_miODpLIM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=86&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgyros%252Bflying%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DGFRC,GFRC:2007-02,GFRC:en%26sa%3DN)!!

 :snakes:


Thanks kogs! That was the hint I needed!  :cmas17
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 16, 2007, 07:42:32 PM
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something out of you only live twice
Little Nellie?  :cmas18 Sounds like fun. They make two-seaters, and an airfield isn't needed; they have very short takeoff/landing requirements.

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Mrs Shrek on December 16, 2007, 07:43:54 PM
A Gyro  :jumpy:
That would be a very cool roadblock challenge! Would they let contestants fly one of those things by themselves?
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2007, 07:46:39 PM
Another airfield near Lucca: http://www.altatensione.org/immagini.php
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2007, 08:01:14 PM
A Gyro  :jumpy:
That would be a very cool roadblock challenge! Would they let contestants fly one of those things by themselves?

Probably not?  :cmaslol

Quote
The gyrocopter provides for an exceptional flying experience in a 'James Bond' style 2-seater aircraft. You to be seated at the back of the gyrocopter whilst the pilot sits in front. Your gyrocopter pilot will talk to you through his intercom and depending on your level of adventure you can either choose a relaxing calm flight or you can request that your pilot demonstrates to you just what a remarkable machine the gyrocopter is! You will be thrilled with your gyrocopter flight experience!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 16, 2007, 08:14:17 PM
That page depicts Magni gyros (http://www.magnigyro.it/inglese/galleria.htm); since they have a factory outside of Milan, and since gyros aren't built for long-haul international travel, they may be the ones used.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2007, 08:39:33 PM
Those look good Slowhatch!

I really caught only a teeny glimpse--but maybe school bus yellow or orange?

Hopefully ROB caught it for us!  I think he is looking out for TAR promos for us tonight!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2007, 09:17:13 PM
When the show is over Rob will make a video.. I'm with no cable! I'm watching Survivor OVER Robs TV through the internet  :jumpy:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Kogs on December 16, 2007, 09:19:36 PM
Quote
something out of you only live twice
Little Nellie?  :cmas18 Sounds like fun. They make two-seaters, and an airfield isn't needed; they have very short takeoff/landing requirements.

I Love Little Nellie
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2007, 09:53:43 PM
 :xmas146

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/7.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2007, 10:11:14 PM
Who is this? ??? TK?  I can't tell....

(http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/37696/2004144258281058713_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004144258281058713)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2007, 10:16:57 PM
Just wait peachs, it froze up on me when I tried to record, a better one is coming.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2007, 10:32:14 PM
I'm asking for a ride in one of those for Christmas! What fun!!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Rob on December 16, 2007, 10:34:32 PM
Posting video, although, it may not be up yet, it will be soon!

Online Videos by Veoh.com
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2007, 10:36:51 PM
Thanks puddin and Rob! :kisses
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2007, 10:41:09 PM
Nice! Can anyone read what is on the strut? La M.....something....

(http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/35901/2004667938035545963_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004667938035545963)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2007, 10:42:23 PM
better --

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0003.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0004.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0005.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0006.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0007.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0008.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0009.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0010.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0011.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0012.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0013.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0015.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0018.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0019.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0020.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0021.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0022.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/16Dec0023.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 16, 2007, 11:14:16 PM
I don't know...that looks like an ultralight. Peach's find of Valdera field (http://www.aeroclubpisa.it/info_auto.htm) is looking better: they have an ultralight club there.

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2007, 11:29:08 PM
Per Slowhatch
Ultralight Trike http://www.flyproducts.com/index.asp?id_elemento=0&lingua=eng

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2007, 11:40:47 PM
There is not a flying machine that is as fun as a Trike or microlight. If you want to get some excitement on the land or the water then we can help you with either.

Modern trikes are one of the simplest and safest ways to get airborne. At Freeflying we fly trikes that are manufactured by Airborne Windsports and Ramphos of Italy. Its now easier than you think to get airborne and pilot your own aircraft.

The trikes that we train in are fully certified and approved by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.

We can train you in our trike for the first 10 hours. This will give you a good understanding of the aircraft and help you decide if a trike is for you. We can then teach you in your own trike and help you complete your license.


link~ http://www.freeflying.com.au/flytrikes.asp


eta: Uh OH  :cmaslol

Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2007, 11:46:40 PM
:elvis:


eta:
About This Video 2 Trikes flying in formation, takeoff, flyby an... (more)
Added: May 30, 2006
2 Trikes flying in formation, takeoff, flyby and extreme low flight.

We flight in north Italy, in Vigevano (near Milan and Pavia). You can see a flyby of the river "Ticino" and rice water flooded fields.

Author: Sergej Fusè

Trike Pilots: Sergej Fusè (RedWing), Gianni Tarantola(YellowWing)

Trike: Motodelta (Made in Italy)
Wing: La Mouette Chronos 16mq
Engine: Rotax 503 47hp
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 16, 2007, 11:49:12 PM
La Mouette Chronos (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.pipistrel.it/vele/vele.htm&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DLa%2BMouette%2BChronos%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1T4GGIH_enUS207US208)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 16, 2007, 11:51:15 PM
Yay Slowhatch! That is definitely what it is...

If we can read the name on the strut we'll have the manufactor.

Unfortunately, Valdera may NOT be a match...

http://www.pipistrel.it/materiali%20download/aeroclubdepliant.pdf

Here is a simulator and apparently they are very accurate but I don't think it matches the field we can see...??: unless that hanger is new...

http://forum.fscloud9.it/viewtopic.php?t=2302&sid=f0fbd6b0f3447082545604532835a431

(http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/38508/2004122171359439717_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004122171359439717)

VALDERA:

(http://aycu08.webshots.com/image/36767/2001600109039179150_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001600109039179150)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 17, 2007, 12:08:29 AM
La Mouette Chronos (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.pipistrel.it/vele/vele.htm&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DLa%2BMouette%2BChronos%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1T4GGIH_enUS207US208)
peach, the wing is made by La Mouette.

eta: but the La Mouette (http://www.lamouette.com/indexang.htm) site won't work for me?

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 17, 2007, 12:13:00 AM
Good job puddin!

And um....

sometimes they jump out....

(http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/38006/2004875763237142096_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004875763237142096)

Heee....

But we should be able to find this airfield!!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 17, 2007, 12:17:05 AM
From my video they filmed it at Vigevano and a seach takes me to ---------------

We are glad to invite you to discover another important place in italy (30 Km. from Milan) where Leonardo lived and worked: Vigevano.  (http://www.lacittaideale.org/index_english.htm) In this town our association organised a very special exhibition of the interactive machines reproduced from Leonardo's codices. The location is unique because is the water mill of Ludovico il Moro. Mora Bassa's Water Mill own property of Ludovico il Moro, donated as wedding present to his wife, Beatrice d'Este.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 17, 2007, 12:22:29 AM
There's a factory north of Florence that makes the Brako (http://www.carpenteriepagotto.it/115_1529.JPG). Yes? No?
(I'm starting to think like the others that Florence may have very little to do with the episode.)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 17, 2007, 12:23:57 AM
Looks like the Roadblock to me.

Experienced pilot and one racer.

(http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/35901/2004667938035545963_rs.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 17, 2007, 12:27:13 AM
There's a factory north of Florence that makes the Brako (http://www.carpenteriepagotto.it/115_1529.JPG). Yes? No?
(I'm starting to think like the others that Florence may have very little to do with the episode.)
  :cmas4 How sad!
and Vigevano might be too far afterall.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 17, 2007, 12:28:50 AM
Looks like the Roadblock to me.

Experienced pilot and one racer.

(http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/35901/2004667938035545963_rs.jpg)
And Nick went for the Fast Forward, how ironic  :groan:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 17, 2007, 12:48:17 AM
That's funny!  :cmaslol

Well I'm still thinking Florence for first cluebox and/or Pitstop....We have to do something with our vidcaps, right?  :cmas26

Or they could have edited it out again!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 17, 2007, 01:15:18 AM
lets try this one
Barberino di Mugello airfield (Toscana), Italy (directions) (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Barberino+di+Mugello+(Toscana),+Italy&sa=X&oi=map&ct=title)

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gator27 on December 17, 2007, 06:42:54 AM
Looks like the Roadblock to me.

Experienced pilot and one racer.

(http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/35901/2004667938035545963_rs.jpg)

I certainly agree that flying is the Roadblock.  That makes the flag toss part of the Detour.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 17, 2007, 01:13:38 PM
ONE OF THE RACE'S STRONGEST TEAMS SUCCUMBS TO THE STRESS OF SPRINTING AROUND THE GLOBE, WHILE ANOTHER TEAM CONTEMPLATES MAKING A PERMANENT CHANGE TO THEIR BODIES, ON "THE AMAZING RACE 12," SUNDAY, DEC. 23 ON THE CBS TELEVISION NETWORK
"This is Forever, Now" - Fatigue and stress cause one of the Race's strongest teams to breakdown when racing through Italy, while another Team contemplates making a permanent change to their bodies in order to further their position in the Race, on THE AMAZING RACE 12, Sunday, Dec. 23 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
 


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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 17, 2007, 03:18:30 PM
Looks like the Roadblock to me.

Experienced pilot and one racer.

(http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/35901/2004667938035545963_rs.jpg)
And Nick went for the Fast Forward, how ironic  :groan:
:cmaslol :cmas50 :jumpy:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 17, 2007, 04:02:00 PM
Leave it to Nick to worm his way out of his turn doing the Roadblock  :snicker:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 17, 2007, 10:34:23 PM
Anything physical and Nic is on the sidelines watching gramps sweat his ass off. :groan: :groan: :groan:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 17, 2007, 10:44:54 PM
This is Forever, Now is what I'm saying waiting for a good promo  :pull
Is this all we have so far?

 (http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/732/10dec0002pq2.th.jpg) (http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10dec0002pq2.jpg) Don & Nic, Fast foward at tattoo parlor perhaps in Empoli

(http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/th_scan0002-2.jpg) (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/scan0002-2.jpg)Detour, flag twirling, Vinci Tuscany, Vinci Museum.



(http://aycu11.webshots.com/image/36090/2005109851757053543_th.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005109851757053543) Ultralight Trike, Roadblock somewhere?


Episode Detail: This is Forever, Now - Amazing Race 12


*The five remaining teams continue on the seventh leg of the race.
*The teams encounter new challenges and opportunities in Italy,


*..and another pair consider making a permanent change to their bodies to further their position in the race.
*One Team contemplates making a permanent change to their bodies in order to get ahead.
*..while another Team contemplates making a permanent change to their bodies in order to further their position in the Race
*..While another team contemplates making a permanent change to their bodies
*Donald waffles about an opportunity to gain a huge advantage.

*Kynt argues with Vyxsin, ordering her to "stop this car!"
*One of the race's strongest teams succumbs to the stress of sprinting around the globe
**The teams travel to Italy and stress takes a toll on one duo;
*Fatigue and stress cause one of the Race's strongest teams to breakdown when racing through Italy,
*One Team faces a major setback when they lose their clue and their way in Italy. *.. and one team faces a setback when they lose both their clue and their way.
* In a role reversal, one often-bickering Team mends their wounds and starts working well together, while one usually cohesive Team melts down.
*The teams participate in a flag-twirling challenge, where one team falls apart and faces a "nightmarish" experience.
*One Team receives shocking news at the Pit Stop that they liken to a “three-headed serpent that at any moment can spring forward.”
*For the average traveler, a visit to Italy would likely be a magical experience, but for one particular team "nightmarish" might be a better description, when things suddenly stop going their way in the race.














Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: down_with_alli on December 18, 2007, 08:03:43 AM
Sure looks like Nathan doing the roadblock.

ETA: It really does not look good for Kynt/Vyxsin. I think they're the ones to break down at the detour and then want to switch/take the FF, but Kynt doesn't want to hence the "STOP THE CAR VYXSIN!"
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gator27 on December 18, 2007, 08:21:17 AM
Sure looks like Nathan doing the roadblock.

ETA: It really does not look good for Kynt/Vyxsin. I think they're the ones to break down at the detour and then want to switch/take the FF, but Kynt doesn't want to hence the "STOP THE CAR VYXSIN!"

I like the switching idea for the Goths.  They would most likely switch Detours as I suspect the teams are bunched when Don/Nick head for the FF.  Thus team realize Don/Nick are taking the FF and it would not be strategic to try for it.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 18, 2007, 08:38:34 AM
Remember Kynt twirling that stick in Ouagadougou during the African dance? He was great!  I am having a problem believing that he would have any trouble managing this one. Now Ron on the other hand...
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: down_with_alli on December 18, 2007, 08:52:50 AM
Remember Kynt twirling that stick in Ouagadougou during the African dance? He was great!  I am having a problem believing that he would have any trouble managing this one. Now Ron Vyxsin on the other hand...

Fixed  :mas25
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 18, 2007, 09:04:46 AM
Funny--  :cmas3 :cmas11

Vyxsin is a dancer though....
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gator27 on December 18, 2007, 09:07:33 AM
Sure looks like Nathan doing the roadblock.

ETA: It really does not look good for Kynt/Vyxsin. I think they're the ones to break down at the detour and then want to switch/take the FF, but Kynt doesn't want to hence the "STOP THE CAR VYXSIN!"

Maybe the Goths are racing Nick and Don to the FF.  Kynt realizes Nick/Don are going to get there first and wants to turn around and head for the flag tossing.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: down_with_alli on December 18, 2007, 09:33:06 AM
Sure looks like Nathan doing the roadblock.

ETA: It really does not look good for Kynt/Vyxsin. I think they're the ones to break down at the detour and then want to switch/take the FF, but Kynt doesn't want to hence the "STOP THE CAR VYXSIN!"

Maybe the Goths are racing Nick and Don to the FF.  Kynt realizes Nick/Don are going to get there first and wants to turn around and head for the flag tossing.

Now THAT is a great guess.

The only thing that's wonky is the whole TBC/FF debarcle and the damn Speed Bump!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gator27 on December 19, 2007, 06:38:18 AM
Why are things so quiet for this episode?
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 19, 2007, 07:00:01 AM
Because there are 14 days between leg 6 and upcoming leg 7 and not all information typically made available from CBS in advance has been received yet. Notice that the weekly quiz has not been issued yet.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 19, 2007, 10:09:29 AM
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*Kynt argues with Vyxsin, ordering her to "stop this car!"
*One of the race's strongest teams succumbs to the stress of sprinting around the globe
**The teams travel to Italy and stress takes a toll on one duo;
*Fatigue and stress cause one of the Race's strongest teams to breakdown when racing through Italy,
*One Team faces a major setback when they lose their clue and their way in Italy. *.. and one team faces a setback when they lose both their clue and their way.
* In a role reversal, one often-bickering Team mends their wounds and starts working well together, while one usually cohesive Team melts down.
*The teams participate in a flag-twirling challenge, where one team falls apart and faces a "nightmarish" experience.
*One Team receives shocking news at the Pit Stop that they liken to a “three-headed serpent that at any moment can spring forward.”
*For the average traveler, a visit to Italy would likely be a magical experience, but for one particular team "nightmarish" might be a better description, when things suddenly stop going their way in the race.


So in between Christmas tasks I've been thinking about this...

Since when does CBS drop the eliminated team in our laps?

All of those clues are designed to make us THINK Kynt/Vyxsin go out this week....but it is almost TOO obvious.

Suppose you read those as some for Ron/Christina instead

*The teams participate in a flag-twirling challenge, where one team falls apart and faces a "nightmarish" experience.
*One Team receives shocking news at the Pit Stop that they liken to a “three-headed serpent that at any moment can spring forward.”

I agree that most of those are for the Goths--and they are prob the ones who lose the clue too.  But I don't want us to blindly accept a CBS smokescreen either.

But suppose it is Ron/Christina who fall apart at flag twirling? Or otherwise have a bad leg?

And if it is Ron who says the 3-headed serpent comment (and it sure sounds like him) ...what is he referring to?

I think this is where the speed-bump makes an appearance. Speed bump=“three-headed serpent that at any moment can spring forward.”

 But why would they tell the next to last team about it? Wouldn't it be the last team who has to deal with this?

Say R/C are last --that explains why ONE team hears about it...  it clearly says one team not ALL teams... Why would they be the only team to have to worry?

maybe it is like the MFE--a penalty for being at the bottom.

But then this would have to be a TBC this week and I'm not sure I can mentally make a FF/TBC go together.

 :pull (:;) :pull  Back to square one.

Thoughts anyone?  AM I just grasping at straws?

I just think it is a little too easy to say K/V go....
 :cmas4
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Red Devils on December 19, 2007, 10:30:36 AM
hi...... peach... new poster here.. as i have explained in Ms.Wood's questions "post"... love u guys' work all along..

back to your pt.... I see where you are coming from with all these... however, I just think that CBS has done the most "obvious" stuff with their previews lately (i.e. one of the teams previewed will most likely get philiminated the following week)....... so it just makes it obvious for people to think it's the Goths who's going out this week (cuz the other team featured is GRamps and we all know they are featured cuz of the FF)....

Anyways.. just my 2 cents B:).... hope it makes sense  :cmas27
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 10:37:21 AM
Welcome to the forum Red Devils   :hithere: , I think you'll fit in well around here  :yess:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 11:35:16 AM
fwiw, the description to this picture

"This is Forever, Now" -- In this Detour, teams (Kynt) must take part in the traditional Florentine Flag exercise, following the moves and pirouettes of the professional troupe known as "Sbandieratori di Firenze" in order to receive their next clue on THE AMAZING RACE 12, Sunday Dec. 23

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 19, 2007, 11:40:41 AM
WAs that in the TV Guide too?  :cmas18

Kynt and Vyksin are dancers--but remember when Kynt said "no one is going to beat us in a dance challenge?" Hope that wasn't foreshadowing! :cmas4
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 11:44:07 AM
No, CBS press peachs, its all they have for this episode as far as pictures go  :cmas10
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 19, 2007, 11:45:04 AM
Here's that troupe's Home Page:

http://www.sbandieratorifirenze.com/ita/index.php

I think there is a video but am having trouble opening it...  needs  WinZip
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 19, 2007, 11:46:32 AM


Our team offers a show of old times on the occasion of banquets, special events, meetings, anniversaries and so on. Thanks to our experience at various events even abroad, we can organize a lively and bright show which is also respectful of our old traditions. Our team is constituted o flagwavers, musicians, ladies in costumes à la Renaissance and armed extras.

Our exibition's program:

- Cortege
- Greeting
- Single with four or five flags
- Duo
- Team "Lorenzo il Magnifico" with four flagwavers
- Team "Il Giglio" with six flagwavers
- Team "Fiorenza" with more then six flagwavers
- Jump with flags.

The sound of drums and clairons accompains the whole exibition. The number of flagwavers and extras varies according to our customers requests and to the space at our disposal. We reserve the right to change our program. We cooperate with other historical groups in order to organize a more articulated show:

- Ballet of the Renaissance
- Archers competing, shooting
- Medieval fight withvarious weapons
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 19, 2007, 12:14:53 PM

more coming...
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 19, 2007, 12:24:56 PM
This one is better!  I think this is what we will see!  Oh dear--suppose Vyxsin's flag goes over the wall and down to the road?? :cmas18

Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Zack. on December 19, 2007, 01:20:01 PM
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But then this would have to be a TBC this week and I'm not sure I can mentally make a FF/TBC go together.

I actually figured a way for this to happen - Nick/Don would get the FF and get sent to "find Phil at the mat" (or else get told to keep racing via a route marker). Televised, this could be done in five segments:

- the teams receive/open the FF clue and Nick/Don (and Goths possibly) decide to go there, followed by footage of other teams doing the normal leg,
- then maybe a segment of the drive to the FF where the Goths decide to turn back and/or a segment where Nick/Don reach the tattoo parlor, again, followed by footage of other teams doing the normal leg
- then the obligatory discussion on whether or not to attempt the FF (followed by....you know the rest)
- then they get tatted up and get the clue to "find Phil at the mat" (insert other teams)
- at around 58/59 minutes, they finally reach the pit stop, only to get told that the leg ain't over and they get another clue (to India)

Just one possibility of doing a FF with a TBC (though I suspect there will be a pit stop).

Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 02:15:03 PM
:elvis: That Goth confessional is in Croatia btw

Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 19, 2007, 02:27:09 PM
I still think that there is way to much focus on Kynt and Vyxsin for them to be eliminated in this episode
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 02:31:38 PM
I still think that there is way to much focus on Kynt and Vyxsin for them to be eliminated in this episode
Remember Romber?  :cmas13




Milano -Firenze

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 19, 2007, 02:37:57 PM
Peach, when I see your flag-twirling and tossing videos it reminds me of the baton twirling and tossing that my sister-in-law teaches. Baton twirling and tossing is difficult. Doing the same with one flag is even more difficult and doing it with two flags is virtually impossible except for experts. I cannot believe that The Amazing Race is going to subject teams to double flag twirling and tossing. It has to be single flags.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 02:47:02 PM
The trike is Piper ----something?

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 02:52:53 PM
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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 02:54:19 PM
I wonder why the bag?

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 02:58:55 PM
The main north-south link, which skirts Florence, is the Autostrada del Sole, which extends from Milan to Reggio Calabria (it is called the A1 from Milan to Naples, the A3 from Naples to Reggio Calabria).
To the north of Florence, the A1 links to Bologna on a busy, winding stretch with lots of tunnels (goes through the Apennine mountains) and to the south to Arezzo and Rome.
The closest exits to downtown Florence are "Firenze-Certosa" and "Firenze-Signa".
Remember that the autostrade are toll roads so you pay depending on how much you have travelled on them. You can pay with credit cards, cash or Viacard. You can purchase a Viacard from toll booths, fuel stations, some banks, tourist offices, and tobacconists.

eta: Nic/Don the only team seen driving in the dark? hmmmm
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 03:20:04 PM
So we know the Goths do the Flag/Detour as well as JeNathan & Ron/Christina
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/19Dec0073.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/19Dec0074.jpg)

Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 03:24:17 PM
OK this is different, different clothes but why don't I recognize it? I guess its Croatia? So nevermind  :cmas22

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/19Dec0024.jpg) (http://alpha.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race12/images/gallery/ep6/full/13.jpg)


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/19Dec0074.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/19Dec0076.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 19, 2007, 03:27:12 PM
puddin I  think that shot of ron and christina is them going to the pitstop in croatia.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 03:30:57 PM
puddin I  think that shot of ron and christina is them going to the pitstop in croatia.
Yeah, I suppose hes carrying his pants, lol
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 03:33:37 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/19Dec0077.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 19, 2007, 07:38:26 PM
The main north-south link, which skirts Florence, is the Autostrada del Sole, which extends from Milan to Reggio Calabria (it is called the A1 from Milan to Naples, the A3 from Naples to Reggio Calabria).
To the north of Florence, the A1 links to Bologna on a busy, winding stretch with lots of tunnels (goes through the Apennine mountains) and to the south to Arezzo and Rome.
The closest exits to downtown Florence are "Firenze-Certosa" and "Firenze-Signa".
Remember that the autostrade are toll roads so you pay depending on how much you have travelled on them. You can pay with credit cards, cash or Viacard. You can purchase a Viacard from toll booths, fuel stations, some banks, tourist offices, and tobacconists.

eta: Nic/Don the only team seen driving in the dark? hmmmm

I have some autostrada experience and I learned that you don't use it unless you absolutely have to  because they are very expensive per km. I can see Nic and Don being the only team to use it based on going to/from the Fast Forward, but Empoli does not seem to require its use. However, Don and Nic may not have access to the same maps that I do.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 19, 2007, 09:41:52 PM
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eta: Nic/Don the only team seen driving in the dark? hmmmm

Remember that they are far enough behind the others that they might not get in until late afternoon--early evening. If they have to go into Florence to get the first clue that could make them later too. But it should have been light till what--at least 9 maybe? so who knows? Bet that is all on the 20th and there will be bunching so it might not matter.

Who is in the trike? TK for sure--was it Nate with Jenny waving goodbye? Is that Kynt or Nate again?
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: down_with_alli on December 19, 2007, 09:57:25 PM
puddin I  think that shot of ron and christina is them going to the pitstop in croatia.
Yeah, I suppose hes carrying his pants, lol

Or his intestines have finally fallen out.

Weird how Vyxsin is saying "We're gunna lose!" before Kynt starts shouting at her to stop the car. Discussing detour switch/FF?

ETA: I'M SO STRESSED OUT! Shutup.  :cmaslol
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 19, 2007, 10:07:10 PM
I don't see any tattoos. Maybe:

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 19, 2007, 10:09:06 PM
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Or his intestines have finally fallen out.


:lol3: :cmaslol :lol3:



I'm thinking if it is at night it is on the way to the first cluebox and there will be bunching anyway...
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 10:21:12 PM
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eta: Nic/Don the only team seen driving in the dark? hmmmm

Remember that they are far enough behind the others that they might not get in until late afternoon--early evening. If they have to go into Florence to get the first clue that could make them later too. But it should have been light till what--at least 9 maybe? so who knows? Bet that is all on the 20th and there will be bunching so it might not matter.

Who is in the trike? TK for sure--was it Nate with Jenny waving goodbye? Is that Kynt or Nate again?
I only see Nate & TK, no Kynt, peachs.

Why the bus? I know the pictures are awful with all that floating junk  :meow:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/19Dec0037.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/19Dec0026.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 10:24:15 PM
Any chance this is Boboli gardens?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/19Dec0034.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/19Dec0027.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 19, 2007, 10:33:33 PM
I was wondering the same thing--not sure about the tour bus though...there are a couple of entrances but usually only one per day open and I thought they had to come in via the Pitti Palace? ???

Doeswn't look too green like a garden either...but there is a small sign like you might see---
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 10:33:55 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/DSC00161.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/DSC00160.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Red Devils on December 19, 2007, 10:37:00 PM
That sure looks like it... BOY.. you guys are AWESOME>... :yess: :cmas22
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 10:46:23 PM
Heres some Garden stuff~
No direct bus service from the station, only from nearby Via della Scala (11,36,37) and Via Rucellai (B).
Visiting hours


Daily:
8.15 – 16.30 (November February)
8.15 – 17.30 (March)
8.15 – 18.30 (April, May, September and October)
8.15 – 17.30 (in the month of October when Daylight Saving Time ends)
8.15 – 19.30 (June August)

Entry is permitted up to an hour before closing time.


How to get there

  To Florence Amerigo Vespucci airport, by shuttle bus VOLA IN BUS to the station of Santa Maria Novella.
 
   To the station car park of Santa Maria Novella.
 
   To the station of Santa Maria Novella.
 
   No direct bus service from the station, only from nearby Via della Scala (11,36,37) and Via Rucellai (B).
 
   From the station about 15 minutes.
 
   View the map   (http://www.polomuseale.firenze.it/english/mappe/?m=2&p=2) 

Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 19, 2007, 10:59:07 PM
Two halves of the same brain I tell you! :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,14074.msg243221.html#msg243221

Map of Boboli Gardens:

http://www.planetware.com/map/florence-boboli-gardens-map-i-lmn.htm
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 19, 2007, 11:03:15 PM
Well its not my fault that this thread has turned into 10,000 pages long  :cmaslol

....and you'd think this Ataf-Sita, autobus whatever would be easy to find as in a picture! lol
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 19, 2007, 11:30:48 PM
Well its not my fault that this thread has turned into 10,000 pages long  :cmaslol
Not to mention we've had two weeks to speculate.  :cmas22 :cmas22
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 19, 2007, 11:32:40 PM
Boboli coffee house Videos (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.firenzealbergo.it/images/news/seeten/kaffeehaus/firenze_boboli_kaffeehaus.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.firenzealbergo.it/list/news.aspx%3FIDN%3D32&h=288&w=384&sz=35&hl=en&start=59&um=1&tbnid=GaUMaFOv9AqxaM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=123&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dboboli%2Bgarden%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DGFRC,GFRC:2007-02,GFRC:en%26sa%3DN)

They COULD be walking up the path to there...
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 20, 2007, 12:09:56 AM
So we know the Goths do the Flag/Detour as well as JeNathan & Ron/Christina
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/19Dec0073.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/19Dec0074.jpg)


I see Chateau on-line so :bump for Chateau  :reading: :please:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 20, 2007, 12:24:39 AM
This shot was taken between 8:44 and 9:12 am (assumes July 21st).
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/19Dec0008.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 20, 2007, 12:25:16 AM
This shot was taken between 11:09 and 11:19 am (assumes July 21st).
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/19Dec0002.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 20, 2007, 12:33:44 AM
And all those tiny plane shots are right after sunrise.

So I would guess that teams are bunched to make their flight from some farm west of Florence.

Then they must drive to Vinci.  Kynt & Vyxsin get the Fast Forward has already been taken clue, and are last to Vinci.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 20, 2007, 12:35:03 AM
:bump  Thank you Chateau, as always you rule!!  :jam:

This shot was taken between 12:14 and 12:23 pm (assumes July 21st).

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 20, 2007, 12:53:16 AM
Whoo-Hoo! Nice Chateau! Thank you!!   :cmas17

How far behind were Nich/Don at the Mat? (last week) --4 hours??
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gator27 on December 20, 2007, 06:45:18 AM
Flying Roadblock early in the morning on 21 July.

Then to flag tossing part of the Detour.

Then an afternoon at the Boboli Gardens.

Find Phil.

Am I close?
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: patlini on December 20, 2007, 09:40:31 AM
I wonder if Nate/Jen beat Gramps for first...
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 20, 2007, 10:12:52 AM
from this Interactive Tour of Boboli Gardens (http://www.30fps.com/boboli/html/22kafJaPCEn.html#) (More in MAPS!)

Here is the path up to the Coffehouse:

(http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/36539/2006351118052314445_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2006351118052314445)


And the view from the Coffehouse:

(http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/36291/2006368925248082251_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2006368925248082251)

Compare to the Goths arriving somewhere:

(http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/36071/2002867836162502821_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002867836162502821)

Not sure this is a match--I like puddin's Allee of trees....
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 20, 2007, 10:22:11 AM
Hey, looks like Kynt brought his favorite clothes:
(http://i24.[banned image hosting site].com/1zq4l0g.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/ep7/19Dec0038.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 20, 2007, 10:38:09 AM
N/J are probably running in Vinci; compare the masonry and the doors to this photo (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=196370731&size=l) (not the same street, but close). And to make things more muddy, I've thrown in a photo from the path to Leornardo's birthplace in Arachiano (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36284090@N00/1095793417/)  just north of Vinci (trees and paving).
(http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/36071/2002867836162502821_rs.jpg)

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 20, 2007, 11:04:05 AM
Oh please don't let the "Fallen" be fateful! :cmas4

And I like it Slowhatch--it would be nice if they went there! Then we kind of have a di Vinci theme to the leg--the "flying machines", the sculpture---not sure how the tatto fits in though! :cmaslol

That looks quite possible for the match. Do you think that shadow on the right of the Goth's arriving somewhere could be the edge of a stone building?
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gator27 on December 20, 2007, 11:34:12 AM

And I like it Slowhatch--it would be nice if they went there! Then we kind of have a di Vinci theme to the leg--the "flying machines", the sculpture---not sure how the tatto fits in though! :cmaslol


Maybe the tattoo is a di Vinci symbol.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 20, 2007, 11:46:15 AM
I think the town is ANchiano...

Here is the birthplace/farmhouse...

(http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/37089/2003172433091610990_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003172433091610990)(http://aycu39.webshots.com/image/38998/2003145704514500691_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003145704514500691)(http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/37776/2003124957719601583_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003124957719601583)

Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 20, 2007, 11:51:23 AM
Here is the, make that another  :groan: Vinci casa
(http://www.museoleonardiano.it/casaleo%20(1).jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 20, 2007, 12:04:53 PM
GMTA!!  :cmas20
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 20, 2007, 12:08:23 PM
I'm calling this one:

This shot was taken on the west side of the hill where the Vinci ball is.

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14074.0;attach=45377;image)

Panoramio source. (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/616770)

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 20, 2007, 12:12:56 PM
Yippee! That one is perfect!  :cmas16
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 20, 2007, 12:24:04 PM
Quote from: Peach
I think the town is ANchiano...
Yep, right your are (http://www.flickr.com/photos/odiosa/2094301910/).  :cmas27
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 20, 2007, 12:29:03 PM
:lol3:

Gotta love Ottmar! :cmaslol
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 20, 2007, 02:53:45 PM
presents coming  :cmas20
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gator27 on December 20, 2007, 02:56:16 PM
presents coming  :cmas20
Do these show PitStop arrivals? :cmas9
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 20, 2007, 03:01:53 PM
 :cmas26

Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gator27 on December 20, 2007, 03:16:34 PM
Thanks puddin! :jumpy:

That was fun and informative. :cmas10
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: patlini on December 20, 2007, 03:18:57 PM
Cheers Puddin

trust the stoner to have trouble
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 20, 2007, 03:30:30 PM
I think Chateau nailed it..The Goths, not seen with the other 3 teams, probably went for the Fast Forward and are now behind  :cmas4
I sure would love to know what the other detour option was (:;)
Cheers Puddin

trust the stoner to have trouble
:groan:  :cmaslol
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 20, 2007, 03:36:36 PM
This shot was taken here:

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Red Devils on December 20, 2007, 03:55:47 PM
Thanks Puddin.......... :yess:

Another Awesome Job.... and cheateau as well... great job on the times on the flag...
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 20, 2007, 04:05:06 PM
Good job Chateau  :cmas20

heres some pictures ~

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0000.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0015.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0019.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0022.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0027.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0028.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0029.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0030.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0040.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0043.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0051.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0052.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0053.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0055.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0059.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0060.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0065.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0066.jpg)(http://[IMG]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0070.jpg)http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0067.jpg[/IMG](http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0073.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0074.jpg)(http://[IMG]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0077.jpg)http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0076.jpg[/IMG](http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0078.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0079.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0086.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0089.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0091.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0092.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0094.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0095.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0096.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0098.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 20, 2007, 04:28:06 PM
Great job Chateau on the field  :yess:. The turn-around point for TK was only a mile or so from the "vinci" field (kmz attached). Here is a database (http://www.ulm.it/hangar/campi/lista_en.htm?valore=Toscana&condizione=regione&sel_ordine=nome+asc) of Tuscan ultralight airfields; no matches for co-ordinates yet.

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 20, 2007, 06:11:22 PM
The best I can get is Cortenuova Italy
http://en.comuni-italiani.it/016/083/mappa.html

....../Empoli but you all knew that.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 20, 2007, 06:29:43 PM
Sooo ... (http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS207US208&q=Via+Villani,+17+-+Empoli+(FI)&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl)

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gingerman28 on December 20, 2007, 06:57:10 PM
I'm baaaaaacccccckkkkkkk :xmas146

Twas a great two weeks in Germany and Austria.  And Puddin, do I have the place for you :cmas9

But you all have put together 13 pages of stuff which I am too lazy to read through, so can someone please just give me the bare outline of what we know about ep7? 

Pretty please  :cmas17
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 20, 2007, 06:59:10 PM
 :jumpy: Welcome home honey!!

I was just gathering stuff to put it together so go ahead and mail me my presents and I'll be right with you  :kisses
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 20, 2007, 07:05:42 PM
updating and in the works!! :cmas20


Clues
Episode Detail: This is Forever, Now - Amazing Race 12


*The five remaining teams continue on the seventh leg of the race.
*The teams encounter new challenges and opportunities in Italy,
*One Team faces a major setback when they lose their clue and their way in Italy. *.. and one team faces a setback when they lose both their clue and their way.

*The teams participate in a flag-twirling challenge, where one team falls apart and faces a "nightmarish" experience.
*One Team receives shocking news at the Pit Stop that they liken to a “three-headed serpent that at any moment can spring forward.”
*For the average traveler, a visit to Italy would likely be a magical experience, but for one particular team "nightmarish" might be a better description, when things suddenly stop going their way in the race.

Videos
after show preview here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,14074.msg242400.html#msg242400)
on line promo here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,14074.msg243703.html#msg243703)
sneek peek, roadblock here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,14074.msg243891.html#msg243891)


Italy
Boingo -- Duomo of Florence, Italy (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13733.msg235344.html#msg235344) 
Slowhatch:The giglio on the drummer's uniform is the symbol for Florence (here (http://www.abroadco.com/Florence/Shopping.htm), middle of page).
 (http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3221/italygx8.th.jpg) (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=italygx8.jpg)
 puddin
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1406/23oct00052ur9.th.jpg) (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23oct00052ur9.jpg) (http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3209/bobolisunsetcw0.th.jpg) (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bobolisunsetcw0.jpg)Boboli Gardens.
(http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3826/boboligardensin0.th.jpg) (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boboligardensin0.jpg) (http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8809/11nov0017xu9.th.jpg) (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11nov0017xu9.jpg)


:bar:
Chateau d if: And all those tiny plane shots are right after sunrise.
So I would guess that teams are bunched to make their flight from some farm west of Florence.
Then they must drive to Vinci.  Kynt & Vyxsin get the Fast Forward has already been taken clue, and are last to Vinci.

patlini  gives us flight info:
Dubrovnik to Frankfurt 
LH 2469/OU 0418  7:30am  9:35am FRA
From Frankfurt to Florence 2 options
10:50 12:15 LH4060
12:15 13:45 LH4062

:bar:


Fast Forward
Fast Forward first suggested by Chateau d if and Tattoo by Bingo  :jam:

Clues~  B:) B:)
*..and another pair consider making a permanent change to their bodies to further their position in the race.
*One Team contemplates making a permanent change to their bodies in order to get ahead.
*..while another Team contemplates making a permanent change to their bodies in order to further their position in the Race
*..While another team contemplates making a permanent change to their bodies
*Donald waffles about an opportunity to gain a huge advantage. 

(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7746/10dec0002wr2.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10dec0002wr2.jpg)(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7920/10dec0031ln0.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10dec0031ln0.jpg) Don & Nic, Fast foward at tattoo parlor in Empoli by Dr.Fabio Pitti  (http://www.empolivirtuale.it/negozi/effettivi/tatuaggi.htm)  ( thanks down_with_alli_)
:bar:
Roadblock/Ultralight Trike, nearby Empoli

Chateau d if tells us this is early in the morning so Roadblock before Detour  :cmas16
Phil tells us, find the clue to your next destination from above "Vinci"

(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7853/20dec0017wp1.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20dec0017wp1.jpg)
 (http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2526/20dec0038vi6.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20dec0038vi6.jpg)(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6008/19dec0044cy5.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=19dec0044cy5.jpg) Rachel & Jennifer watch their men perform the Roadblock

(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1614/20dec0070pj1.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20dec0070pj1.jpg)Nathan sees it!
 (http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1879/20dec0051me1.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20dec0051me1.jpg)TK doesn't see it, after 30 minutes has to refuel and go back up to try again
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/247/20dec0101aw0.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20dec0101aw0.jpg) Christina sees it!
 
:bar:
Detours /Detour, flag twirling, Vinci Tuscany, Vinci Museum.
* In a role reversal, one often-bickering Team mends their wounds and starts working well together,

Chateau d if: This shot was taken between 8:44 and 9:12 am (assumes July 21st).
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1977/19dec0007ep4.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=19dec0007ep4.jpg) Nathan & Jen

Chateau d if: This shot was taken between 11:09 and 11:19 am (assumes July 21st).
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6875/19dec0006hg5.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=19dec0006hg5.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4486/19dec0075ee0.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=19dec0075ee0.jpg)Christina & Ron

Chateau d if:This shot was taken between 12:14 and 12:23 pm (assumes July 21st).
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8991/19dec0000vr7.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=19dec0000vr7.jpg)Kynt & Vyxsin

:bar:
This and that :
Slowhatch: a photo from the path to Leornardo's birthplace in Arachiano (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36284090@N00/1095793417/)  just north of Vinci (trees and paving).
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4859/2002867836162502821rsnj9.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2002867836162502821rsnj9.jpg)(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2097/indexxw0.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indexxw0.jpg)

Chateau d if: I'm calling this one:
This shot was taken on the west side of the hill where the Vinci ball is.
Panoramio source. (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/616770)

(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4707/indexrj9.th.jpg) (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indexrj9.jpg)(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3004/index2lz8.th.jpg) (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=index2lz8.jpg)

*Kynt argues with Vyxsin, ordering her to "stop this car!"
*One of the race's strongest teams succumbs to the stress of sprinting around the globe
**The teams travel to Italy and stress takes a toll on one duo;
*Fatigue and stress cause one of the Race's strongest teams to breakdown when racing through Italy,
* while one usually cohesive Team melts down.

 

(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5052/10dec0066gs3.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10dec0066gs3.jpg)(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/557/10dec0071gu2.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10dec0071gu2.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gingerman28 on December 20, 2007, 07:30:14 PM
That's a good start.  It looks like the ROADBLOCK must come first.  Spot the clue from the air, (Vinci) tell the air marshal what you saw and he gives you the clue to proceed to Vinci, et.  DETOUR takes place in Vinci (1) flag waving and (2) no idea.

then back to Florence and the pit stop.

Meanwhile, grandpa and nick take the FF and go off and get tatooed (I want to see that) and beat everyone to the pit stop.  A great leap forward: last to first.

And it looks like the goths hit the wall and are philiminated! (Sorry, Michael)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 20, 2007, 11:02:36 PM
I love that video, puddin. You truly rock!  :cmas51 :cmas51 :cmas51 :cmas9 :cmas9 :cmas9 :jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy: :cmas16 :cmas16 :cmas16 :cmas16
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 21, 2007, 11:44:44 AM
 Sharper :plane: :badhorse:
Does anyone have a feeling that Christina is not in that same scene with TK and thats what they want us to think?



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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 21, 2007, 12:10:21 PM
I am willing to speculate that the reaction shot of Rachel when Tk lands is after his 2nd attempt, and he still hasn't found it.  Because thats a very stressed out/ disappointed/ I can't beleive he still hasn't found it look.

It would also help explain the large time difference between all three teams at the flags.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gingerman28 on December 21, 2007, 12:52:52 PM
I'm gradually getting back into the swing of things - I miss my Gluehwein to keep my spirits up- and after tossing out the zillion or so catalogs that had accummulated during my hiatus, I had a chance to scan the TV Guides - that bible of television fact and fiction - for the next three weeks.  And I am puzzled.

In the descriptions for the next three eps of TAR:

Dec. 23 - ep 7 - Italy.  No mention of a team being eliminated.

Dec. 30 - ep 8 - Another team is eliminated.

Jan. 6 - ep 9 - The ninth team is eliminated!  (That leaves just two teams)

So if this is all gospel truth then it means:

Ep 7 - Italy - Five teams arrive, four teams leave

Ep 8 - India? - Four teams arrive, three teams leave

Ep 9 - ????? - Three teams arri ve, two teams leave.

Ep. 10 - ?????? - Two final teams race from Japan to Taiwan to Alaska

or if there is a Ep 11 as described in the beginning do the two teams continue to the final mat?

So that would make the finale on Jan. 20.

Maybe this has all been cleared up on another leg, but I'll leave it here just so you all can comment.

Or am I just being dense?
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 21, 2007, 01:05:45 PM
We're discussing it in media Gman. Pretty sure tvguide doesn't have their facts right, they are imagining what might happen in EP9 :xmas49
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 21, 2007, 01:15:55 PM
I am willing to speculate that the reaction shot of Rachel when Tk lands is after his 2nd attempt, and he still hasn't found it.  Because thats a very stressed out/ disappointed/ I can't beleive he still hasn't found it look.

It would also help explain the large time difference between all three teams at the flags.
I wish we had a shot of TK & Rachel doing the detour, I wish we knew what the other detour option was, I wish we knew if losing the clue was critical and I wish I knew who loses the clue ..wish in one hand sh!t in the other    :cmas27
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gingerman28 on December 21, 2007, 01:22:46 PM
I think Chateau nailed it..The Goths, not seen with the other 3 teams, probably went for the Fast Forward and are now behind  :cmas4
I sure would love to know what the other detour option was (:;)


One teams goes for the FF, four teams to do the DETOUR.  Perhaps they all do the flag waving so it doesn't matter what the other task was.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 21, 2007, 03:01:43 PM
:badhorse:
(http://aycu19.webshots.com/image/36858/2005345917823501885_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005345917823501885)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 21, 2007, 03:04:58 PM
Remember, Boingo noted a river and bridge, perhaps Via Francesco Petrarca-Via Palmiro Togliatti  :cmas5
(http://aycu01.webshots.com/image/38240/2001404294763751787_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001404294763751787)
(http://aycu26.webshots.com/image/39105/2003428481835103611_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003428481835103611)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 21, 2007, 08:22:14 PM
Quote from: Puddin
Does anyone have a feeling that Christina is not in that same scene with TK and thats what they want us to think?


Yeah, there's something odd about the whole sequence. The six-mile radius Phil mentioned (why 6? why not 5 or 10? does that mean it's between 5 and 6 miles away?  :cmas5) produces, if I can remember my arithmetic, a search area of a little over 110 square miles. The picture below shows a six-mile line from the Vinci sign; it stretches beyond the hills behind Vinci. That's a lot to cover in 30 minutes, given the cruising speed of most "trikes" (35-50 knots).

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 21, 2007, 08:26:53 PM
Your arithmetic looks good to me, Slowhatch. If I remember my geometry, it's PI /4 X D squared, so that would be 144 X .785 = 113 square miles
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 21, 2007, 08:33:14 PM
It's a fabulous find! But I am absolutely no good with coordinates--can someone please show me where Chateau's field is? Zoomed out a little maybe? :cmaslol

And maybe the 6 mile radius is due to the flying range of the ultralights...
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 21, 2007, 08:49:49 PM
I've attached a kmz, and the map link is below. It's off of Via Piccaratico.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=empoli,+italy&ie=UTF8&ll=43.73867,10.952039&spn=0.010728,0.028539&t=h&z=16&om=1

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 21, 2007, 09:04:21 PM
Oh thank you Slowhatch! I see! May I  snag that for MAPS! pretty please?

Wow--so they are all near Empoli. Since they arrive the evening before--Wonder if there is somewhere in Empoli that our guys bunch to get their clue? Or are we still thinking Florence the night before? And drive to Empoli in the early AM?  But on second thought--it must be somewhere besides Empoli or why would Kynt/Vyxsin be so stressed out trying to get there?

I do hope we get to see something of Florence (one of my favorite cities)--I am still hoping for a climb the Duomo cluebox on the evening of 7/20....
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 21, 2007, 09:48:54 PM
Peach, I'm afraid based on what we are seeing that the most of Florence we will see is the way to one cluebox in the evening. Unfortunately, the Duomo is long closed by then.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 21, 2007, 09:53:22 PM
You don't think they can make it there by 6 or so??  :cmas4

Last entry 6:30 to be exact...
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Boingo on December 21, 2007, 10:30:20 PM
Remember, Boingo noted a river and bridge, perhaps Via Francesco Petrarca-Via Palmiro Togliatti  :cmas5

 :angel:  Good a guess as any, puddin, but I'm thinkin' that it's out in to "boonies" and not in downtown Empoli.  Besides, those steep hills in the picture suggest a rural location.   :groan:  I'm fresh out of suggestions, myself.  Just want this leg to be over with, already.   (:;)  Sooner we get to the Far East, the better.   :lol3: I'm saving myself for the sprint to the finish line.   :cmas26   :cmas3
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 21, 2007, 11:08:36 PM
You know....we don't have a shot of TK/Rachel doing the detour. Despite all the Goth drama, it IS possible that TK/Rachel could be behind...way behind. The only evidence we have for them further along is  the undocumented (but still valid?) Taiwan spoiler of a brunette woman and a "man who appeared very fit" ...Which might or might not be them--depending on whether you believe that spoiler.

Now if it was TK/Rachel who went out this week...I would be surprised. And Jason's comment about us being surprised might seem more valid.

I just keep thinking that CBS WANTS us to think it is the Goths this week. Smokescreen anyone?

Is it possible to do in-mid-air time shots?? :cmas22
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 22, 2007, 12:06:18 AM
Christina was in the same area too.  Her river comment was how I found the field with the VINCI.

This shot was taken here  between 7:17 and 8:02 am (assumes July 21st).

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0092.jpg)

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 22, 2007, 12:12:06 AM
I'm gonna say that it is Ron & Christina who lose their clue.

It should not take them until 11:00 am to get to Vinci.   :cmas10
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 22, 2007, 12:22:24 AM
But they still are ahead of the Goths... :cmas4

Can we possibly--maybe?--some way?--magic?? figure out the time for TK's flights?   Any possibility they could be behind the Goths? I know--apples and oranges but anyway...
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 22, 2007, 12:36:28 AM
has puddin put the questions for this episode up yet, my stupid internet is being dumb and everytime I go to open that page it doesn't work!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 22, 2007, 12:49:37 AM
yep! Hard ones too the old meanie! :mas25

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13840.msg243732.html#msg243732

Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 22, 2007, 12:51:59 AM
This shot was taken between 6:33 and 6:55 am (assumes July 21st).

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0073.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 22, 2007, 12:53:43 AM
yep! Hard ones too the old meanie! :mas25

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13840.msg243732.html#msg243732




 :ass: I heard that  :gva:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 22, 2007, 01:00:00 AM
You would have thought she would have thrown in a free Christmas bonus or something--right?

Heee....brought her out of hiding! :xmas49

CHATEAU!! A mid air time--yippee! But darn--that is still way early--he had time to go up 5 or 6 times...

Looking bad for the Goths but I'm going to cling forlornly to my idea of a CBS smokescreen... don't y'all disillusion me--okay??  :cmas11
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 22, 2007, 01:09:07 AM
Merci le Chateau d Si, le baiser  :kisses


Looking bad for the Goths but I'm going to cling forlornly to my idea of a CBS smokescreen... don't y'all disillusion me--okay??  :cmas11
:cmas4 I'm so sad and don't want the Goths to go either peach's, maybe just maybe some other team screws up and gets a penalty or something and the Goths survive  :cmas5.
I don't want them to go  :crybabe: :luvya: :hrt: :please:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 22, 2007, 01:12:45 AM
Well we DO still have the shocking Pitstop "3 headed monster" news...

I figure I'll be crying one way or the other Sunday night!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 22, 2007, 01:42:18 AM
the clues minus the Don/Nic stuff--

*One Team faces a major setback when they lose their clue and their way in Italy.
*..  one team faces a setback when they lose both their clue and their way.


*The teams participate in a flag-twirling challenge, where one team falls apart and faces a "nightmarish" experience.
*For the average traveler, a visit to Italy would likely be a magical experience, but for one particular team "nightmarish" might be a better description, when things suddenly stop going their way in the race.
*One Team receives shocking news at the Pit Stop that they liken to a “three-headed serpent that at any moment can spring forward.”
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 22, 2007, 01:53:18 AM
almost forgot, I found one of those little signs at Vinci  :xmas49

eta: now that I think about it I don't recall seeing a bus or any bus in Vinci so ? might still be the gardens? who knows?

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 22, 2007, 02:12:51 AM
Here are my estimates for Dubrovnik check in times:

Ron & Chris at 2:34 pm
Kynt & Vyxsin at 2:48 pm
Nathan & Jenn at 3:23 pm
TK & Rachel at 5:57 pm
Don & Nick at 6:29 pm
Azaria & Hendekea at 7:01 pm
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 22, 2007, 03:14:01 AM
Thank you SO much Chateau!!   :kisses

Ok you flight gurus--what flight(s) can Don/Nick catch? Would TK/Rachel be on the same one? Is that why they are driving in the dark? And since we see them looking at the Firenze sign--I'm still hoping for SOMETHING in Florence! :yess:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gator27 on December 22, 2007, 06:20:10 AM
This shot was taken between 6:33 and 6:55 am (assumes July 21st).

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/20Dec0073.jpg)

What if they only fly one trike at a time?  You get 30 minutes to look and then return to the airport and get back in line.  Thanks to Chateau, TK and Christina do not appear to be in the air at the same time.  If operating hours begin around 6 am, we should have team bunching and multiple trikes in the air simutaneously.

My thinking was that if more than one trike was in the air, you might be able to see where another team spotted the clue.

Maybe the Roadblocker is so focused on their task that they do not pay much attention to the other flying trikes.  I am beginning to think my idea of only one flying trike is dumb.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 22, 2007, 08:40:49 AM
I don't know if it means anything but in VINCI INFORMATION (http://www.leonet.it/comuni/vinci/) the last paragraph refers to a "July Fair which, in the past few years, has revived the traditional historical commemoration of the "Flight of Cecco Santi" from the Castle Tower." AR12 arrived in Vinci evening of July 20 and was around the area July 21 so who knows if this became part of the footage for the race.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 22, 2007, 08:57:01 AM
almost forgot, I found one of those little signs at Vinci  :xmas49

eta: now that I think about it I don't recall seeing a bus or any bus in Vinci so ? might still be the gardens? who knows?

I have been intrigued by this sign, so I have pulled out all the stops in an attempt to figure it out. I have succeeded in an obscure Vinci travel guide:

Path number 14, with the first part called Strada Verde (1hour round trip), takes you to the Casa natale di Leonardo (Birthplace of Leonardo). ...
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 22, 2007, 09:08:37 AM
yep! Hard ones too the old meanie! :mas25

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13840.msg243732.html#msg243732




 :ass: I heard that  :gva:

:cmaslol :cmaslol :cmaslol :cmaslol
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 22, 2007, 09:10:23 AM
Here are my estimates for Dubrovnik check in times:

Ron & Chris at 2:34 pm
Kynt & Vyxsin at 2:48 pm
Nathan & Jenn at 3:23 pm
TK & Rachel at 5:57 pm
Don & Nick at 6:29 pm
Azaria & Hendekea at 7:01 pm
We shall see if the producers decide to make up times for the start.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 22, 2007, 10:23:50 AM
My guess is that they will go with a 24 hour pitstop. That will force the departure times to be late afternoon or evening.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Red Devils on December 22, 2007, 12:13:57 PM
My guess is that they will go with a 24 hour pitstop. That will force the departure times to be late afternoon or evening.

Yeh :yess:... that would make much better senses as the Roadblock is taken at almost dawn in the morning....
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 22, 2007, 02:15:39 PM
Hey, y'all got your mind fossilized in Florence!   :cmaslol

I say that Nick and Don arrive through Bologna.   :cmas16

This shot was probably taken here.

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14074.0;attach=45366;image)

Using these flights



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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 22, 2007, 02:18:50 PM
Here are some zoom outs

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Post by: georgiapeach on December 22, 2007, 03:41:35 PM
Chateau!! What great detective work! I like it...So maybe just HoO at the grassy airport in Empoli?

Was there an earlier flight for the earlier departing teams too or will they all be on this one?
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 22, 2007, 04:12:12 PM
Hey, y'all got your mind fossilized in Florence!   :cmaslol

I say that Nick and Don arrive through Bologna.   :cmas16

This shot was probably taken here.

Using these flights


I couldn't figure it out Chateau but then again I admit that I suck at maps, good job!  :xmas146
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 22, 2007, 04:19:34 PM
Well we DO still have the shocking Pitstop "3 headed monster" news...

I figure I'll be crying one way or the other Sunday night!

Peach when we first got this quote, I thought it sounded like a Ron Quote.   But Puddin made me question that, it could have been the goths.

But with more and more coming into focus.  I think t is Ron.  And with them falling so far being (most likely where they don't see any other team after the Roadblock), they assume they are last.  And that the quote is about them either losing the clue or discovering that they are not eliminated, due to Kynt & Vyzsin being even later.

I would hazard a guess that either Jenn & Nathan or Nic & Donald take first or 2cd.

3.  Tk & Rachel (though without detour who knows.
4.  Ron & Christina
5.  Kynt & Vyxsin

Now with locations of tattoo parlor, and times at detour and roadblock for 2 sets of teams.  My only question is how long does it take to get a tattoo?
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 22, 2007, 04:43:34 PM
I bet the tattoo is so tiny that it probably takes Don longer to decide what to do than it takes to acutally get a tattoo.
Me? I have 4 tattoo's but no thanks to my tequila days, its all a blur now how long they took. The outline can take some time but again it depends on the size which I suspect is tiny.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 22, 2007, 05:24:52 PM
We have next weeks tvguide clues, does it give us anything to work with this week as far as couples? To me a couple is a pair as in dating pair and IF the Goths go this week *shudders the thought* then the only couple left that we haven't seen lose it yet are TK & Rachel imo. Unless of course by couple they mean another team but still this to me again is TK & Rachel or Nic & Don? but Nic & Don seems weird to me being described as a couple.

tvguide magazine 12/30
Reality: Amazing Race~
The teams may think that running around the globe is good for their relationship, but all the trekking is about to start wrecking ones couples's closeness when their worst qualities come to the fore. Meanwhile, another team plays dirty to throw two competitors off-schedule at the airport.

The Amazing Race:
One of the teams is resorting to airport theatrics to bump another pair onto a later flight. The things folks will do to impress that Phil fella!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 22, 2007, 05:42:22 PM
I'm worried that the "worst qualities might be out Goths.

But airport theatrics?? I'll vote Ron/Christina...
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 22, 2007, 05:50:18 PM
I'm worried that the "worst qualities might be out Goths.

But airport theatrics?? I'll vote Ron/Christina...
Well if you think its the Goths then thats a good thing! IF they aren't eliminated tomorrow night we fans get 2 more episodes at least with more Goths, seeing as we are pretty darn sure EP8 is a superleg.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 22, 2007, 05:52:32 PM
just imagine the feeling if the goths survive tomorrow night and end up winning! SCREW YOU NATE AND JEN!  :dick
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 22, 2007, 05:54:18 PM
 :cmas13 :bump
:cmas4 Since when do they have money to purchase books let alone read them? Running with production perhaps?

from Twops (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=2666383&view=findpost&p=9398783)
ErinntheRed

I was reading one of the interviews with Kynt and Vyxen and I think they may have let slip a spoiler. Vyxen said in one of the interviews that she's a Harry Potter fan. She bought the last book in an airport "while on the race." HP7 was released July 21st, so that means some time after that.
 
Heres the interview~ (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34682)

Vyxsin: We LOVE to attend Sci-Fi/Fantasy conventions whenever possible which should provide adequate Geek Credentials :) We love anime and the cosplay that it inspires. We especially enjoy Dragon*Con and the San Diego Comic Con. Kynt and I are HUGE fans of Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, X-Men, and Tim Burton films.
I love and obsess the most over the Harry Potter books and movies. I actually purchased the latest Potter book at an airport during the Amazing Race.

Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 22, 2007, 05:58:12 PM
While that does mean that they were most likely eliminated it doesn't exactly prove they were eliminated in tomorrow nights episode because they could have just bought the book  at any airport once they were eliminated   
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 22, 2007, 06:02:58 PM
Ok my guess (Lets see I will get 2 things right, thanks chateau) of what happens for this episode.
All teams arrive in Florence and travel to the first route marker were they hit an hours of Operation.

The next morning (the 21st) teams rush to the clue box and find both a clue box and a pull a number (or write your team down ect).

The first two to this are Jennifer and Nathan and Tk & Rachel, followed by the Goths, Ron & Christina and Nicolas and Donald.

Clue:  Roadblock (which we know) and the Fast Forward Clue.

I do believe there is a limit of either staggered departure times for teams in the air (thus no following another) or only two teams at a time in the air).

I believe that Nic & Don must be last or near last for sign up and thus why they choose to go for the Fast Forward.  I also believe that Nate & Jenn are probably first as to why the team has been wanting a win so bad, don't go for the Fast Forward.

I am beginning to think that the Goths don't go for the Fast Forward (but I am really unsure).

Teams then go to the detour.  Where I assume that Jennifer and Nathan do fine and actually finish first.  I then think Rachel & Tk do it (the detour, not IT) but they choose the other option as coordination doesn't seem to be something they are good at.  

I think the Goths are the ones to loose their clue and get lost (we know they get lost to some degree) and this is what puts them hours behind, and I think we see them arguing over guesses over where they are going.

I think Ron & Christina get to the detour and are the team that falls apart doing the  detour (this could be due to his hernia and its build up).  And that could certainly put them an hour plus behind.  

Plus I don't think The Goths would have problems with this task (though it is possible that it is Tk & Rachel).

I think Don after being a pussy for a few minutes man's up and gets the tattoo, and that either team grandpa or Natan and Jennifer are team #1.

That Tk & rachel are team number 3.

That Ronald & Christina are team number 4, and that he has the quote.  And this is one of the reasons I think that the Goths didn't go for the Fast Forward, because if two teams are known to go for the Fast Forward then the other teams know that they have what should be a large cushion of time for any errors they make.  

But I am probably wrong.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 22, 2007, 06:06:10 PM
Actually based on the tv guide clue I think it has to be Tk & Rachel.  Its fits all their footage (both episode and clips) about not fighting, not argueing.

With the Goths though we don't see them fight until tomorrow, so I don't think it would be discribing them.

As for airport drama I vote for Ron & Christina.


Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Belle Book on December 22, 2007, 06:40:26 PM
Perhaps both the Goths and Nicholas & Donald go for the Fast-Forward, but the Goths get lost on the way, thus ensuring that Nicholas & Donald get the Fast-Forward.  Once that happens, the Goths have to go back.  They may lose the Fast-Forward clue on the way (and that's why they get lost), or they may lose a later clue (like a route marker one).  Of course, this only helps Ron & Christina.

Belle Book
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: down_with_alli on December 22, 2007, 07:42:01 PM
TAR will never do a final 2 will they? It just doesn't seem probable.

And I have succumbed to the fact that the Goths will go out, but I do not think it is tomorrow. I bet it's a normal leg (but they won't call it a TBC) and everyone arrives 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and the last team gets hit with a Speed Bump? Then it goes NEXT WEEK ON THE AMAZING RACE and has something to do with the speed bump and here's where I am waffling because I have nfi  :pull

Uh it's killing me.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 22, 2007, 07:58:57 PM
Some hopes are about to crash  :cmas13

any chance Anchiano is the pitstop?

eta: this album http://www.pbase.com/hilandjake/vinci

(http://i18.[banned image hosting site].com/6oe1cm8.jpg)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 22, 2007, 08:28:38 PM
So you're saying TK/Rachel are just starting the "strada verde" because the bus would be in Vinci, not Anchiano? The bus sorta resembles a Terravision bus that shuttles people between Pisa airport and downtown Florence; most Florence city buses are orange or teal (including this little bug (http://www.flickr.com/photos/manarh/268171199/)  :cmaslol).
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 22, 2007, 08:32:34 PM
as suggested by Slowhatch, wish i had a better picture~  :xmas49

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Post by: puddin on December 22, 2007, 08:36:56 PM
So you're saying TK/Rachel are just starting the "strada verde" because the bus would be in Vinci, not Anchiano? The bus sorta resembles a Terravision bus that shuttles people between Pisa airport and downtown Florence; most Florence city buses are orange or teal (including this little bug (http://www.flickr.com/photos/manarh/268171199/)  :cmaslol).
No I don't know what I'm saying, lol but but but ........so many questions no answers  :cmas19

eta: cool bus  :cmas16
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 22, 2007, 08:39:40 PM
And maybe Rachel & TK's area isn't the same as where the Goths are running  :cmas5
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 22, 2007, 10:45:47 PM
Three things to note:

1. Consistent with my earlier responses to GMAN and Colby on this issue, I will now state that I think CHATEAU's Bologna theory is all wet(Note that I could have said full of baloney, but refrained). We'll know soon enough.

2. One of the reasons is that I think start times for the Florence leg will be after a 24 hour pitstop. That will probably leave Nic and Don only part-way there and teams will have staggered arrivals into Florence.

3. Tomorrow's night's episode is scheduled to be 62 minutes long, so if you are taping it please note that or you will the previews of the following week.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 22, 2007, 11:07:21 PM
CHATEAU's estimated checkin times, which are also the pitstop release times with a 24 hour pitstop, are:

Ron & Chris at 2:34 pm
Kynt & Vyxsin at 2:48 pm
Nathan & Jenn at 3:23 pm
TK & Rachel at 5:57 pm
Don & Nick at 6:29 pm

The first 3 teams can make it onto:

OU384 DBV FCO 1555 1700
AZ1679 FCO FLR 1740 1850

The last two are stuck with an overnight in Zagreb:

July 20 OU385 DBV ZAG 1940 2035
July 21 OU410 ZAG FRA 0655 0830
July 21 LH4060 FRA FLR 1050 1220

This is pretty easy to shoot down if indeed TK is on the ultralight before 7am on July 21. That would mean that my hypothesis is incorrect about 24 hour pitstop. The most likely event would then be a 12 hour pitstop and we would have all teams potentially on the same July 20 flights:

OU418 DBV FRA 0730 0935
LH4060 FRA FLR 1050 1220
 
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gator27 on December 23, 2007, 06:43:42 AM
Speed Bump

Traditionally we think of a speed bump as one of those annoying things that slow us down.  What if, for TAR, a speed bump is a bump in speed ... something that makes a team go faster, get to the front of a line, etc. 

Just an early morning thought ... please go back to spoiling.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 23, 2007, 07:21:16 AM
gator27, I think you're in the wrong thread. This is not the SPOILER thread. That is separate. This is for episode 7.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 23, 2007, 11:31:19 AM
Apskip, here's how I think it will go down, not only do Nick and Don arrive in Italy through Bologna, but also all the other teams go that way as well.   :cmas3   The clue at the mat will read something like

"Fly to Bologna, Italy. 
Find your next clue on the marked cars parked at the airport."

The clue from their cars will direct them to our favorite Florence garden.  The first team gets to the Florence clue around 4:55 pm.  It tells them to drive to the airfield about an hour away.  They get there too late for flights and have to wait until dawn.  Also in the package is the Fast Forward.  They may try for it but see that it too is closed by the time they get there and it does not open until 9 am.  So the earlier teams go to the airfield for the Roadblock.  Nick and Don go straight for the Fast Forward.

Here are the flights that the earlier teams can take:



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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 23, 2007, 11:34:17 AM
Do we think that all of the teams get to italy on the same flight?
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 23, 2007, 11:37:33 AM
No I think Don & Nick are going to be much later:

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Post by: mswood on December 23, 2007, 01:16:30 PM
Do we think that all of the teams get to italy on the same flight?
Now why might you be asking this question? :mas25
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 23, 2007, 01:18:52 PM
Ok, is it TARAsian Fan who has the link for sports overruns?  Does CBS even have a late game today?  (though I suppose I could just check the tv guide for that question).
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 23, 2007, 01:24:51 PM
Its actually a big game mswood as in Miami @ New England, NE should, would, will clobber Miami.
http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-16-CBS2.html
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 23, 2007, 01:53:35 PM
Its actually a big game mswood as in Miami @ New England, NE should, would, will clobber Miami.
http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-16-CBS2.html
Holy **** thats a lot of Red.... :cmaslol

I want an overrun.  But they are playing Miami so I don't think they will have much of one.

But you never know.  Hell I hope they play better then my Raiders  :hides
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gingerman28 on December 23, 2007, 03:31:49 PM
Do we think that all of the teams get to italy on the same flight?

If our expert, Chateau, is correct teams must arrive on different flights.  At least we see Don and Nick at the road divide to Florence and Milan in the middle of the night.  Which reminds me of that famous philosopher, Yogi Barri's famous piece of advice.  "When you arrive at a fork in the road take it." :cmas51
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Post by: puddin on December 23, 2007, 03:58:58 PM
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Post by: georgiapeach on December 23, 2007, 04:31:10 PM
Hmmm..where are they? That is prob the bunch site ...

And yes, I too think that Anchiano will be the pitstop. I'm just hoping for Florence as the site of the first cluebox.

And praying hard for something to save the Goths tonight...a penalty for someone else? A speed-bump? Anything??  :cmas5
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 23, 2007, 04:35:38 PM
So am I puddin -- I'm still hoping that next weeks title has something to do with them .... if that isn't grasping at straws I don't know what is
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 23, 2007, 04:37:40 PM
I dunno peach? Keeping my fingers crossed for the Goths though  :cmas20

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Post by: north09 on December 23, 2007, 04:43:58 PM
I know! lets just hope the Goths can catch up and survive this leg. Everything seems to be pointing at them, so maybe CBS is just trying to throw us off. They made it SEEM like Nate and Jen were gone in Lithuania...  :cmas27
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 23, 2007, 04:45:32 PM
Hmmm..where are they? That is prob the bunch site ...

And yes, I too think that Anchiano will be the pitstop. I'm just hoping for Florence as the site of the first cluebox.

And praying hard for something to save the Goths tonight...a penalty for someone else? A speed-bump? Anything??  :cmas5
The site says Anchiano 3km from Vinci so no room for errors  :cmas4
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Post by: puddin on December 23, 2007, 04:49:20 PM
darn I can't get a good view of this place

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Post by: michael on December 23, 2007, 04:51:08 PM
The RB comes first in this episode right?
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 23, 2007, 04:53:12 PM
The RB comes first in this episode right?
Yup thanks to Chateau

more ~
Houses / Mansions, Vinci
 

No one knows the precise location of Leonardo da Vinci's birthplace, but this typical 15th-century Tuscan house is in the general vicinity and probably shares much in common with the house where he was born. It's in Anchiano, 3 km (2 mi) from Vinci, and can be reached easily on foot or by car. It has a primitive interior -- it hasn't been gussied up for tourists. Note the printed inventory of Leonardo's library. His tastes in literature were wide ranging, from the ancients to contemporary (15th century) authors.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 23, 2007, 04:55:17 PM
The RB comes first in this episode right?
:cmas22

No, the Detour is the first day, then the rush to the roadblock where they hit hours of operation......... :cmas18

Damn puddin had to tell the damn truth.  Women what am I going to do with you.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 23, 2007, 05:03:30 PM
sorry mswood  :cmaslol

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Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 23, 2007, 05:59:05 PM
Ok, is it TARAsian Fan who has the link for sports overruns?  Does CBS even have a late game today?  (though I suppose I could just check the tv guide for that question).
It is me. I just put it in the commentary thread. I'll give it to you here (http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2007-16-CBS2.html) as well.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 23, 2007, 08:13:45 PM
The only mention I could find of "Silvano Poli" is this grisly article (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.gonews.it/articolo.php%3Fat%3D4598&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522silvano%2Bpoli%2522%2B%2522campo%2Bdi%2Bvolo%2522%26num%3D50%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG) which describes the field as 330x50 meters. There's a field called ULM Empoli (http://www.ulm.it/hangar/campi/scheda1.htm?chiave=333&condizione=tipo&sel_ordine=nome+asc&valore=Campo+volo&) that's 330x40 (according to GE).

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Post by: north09 on December 23, 2007, 08:25:58 PM
Yeah!! The Goths Survived!! I can't believe they had a NEL though.  :cmas22  :cmas26  :jumpy:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 23, 2007, 08:26:47 PM
Goths are saved by a NEL!!!!!!!!!!!!  :cmaslol YES!! even though Phil lied to us but thats a good thing for once!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 23, 2007, 08:35:11 PM
Damn that liar!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: north09 on December 23, 2007, 08:38:53 PM
His lie did make the moment so much better though!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 23, 2007, 08:46:44 PM
No, it was not Phil who lied. Phil carefully ducked that question when asked. It was Jonathan Littman of CBS who lied about no NELs.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 23, 2007, 08:49:37 PM
I was quite surprised by the actual transportation modes, as it required teams to be driving long distances at night, never a safe practice. The Split to Ancona ferry on SNAV left Split at 1700, which gave the last two teams ample time to get there and have a leisurely lunch. That ferry arrived Ancona after a 4 hour 40 minute run at 2140. After getting cars and getting directions, it would probably be about 2230 before teams got on the road.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: michael on December 23, 2007, 08:50:41 PM
This is the first episode so far of this season that *really* felt like the amazing race for me! I loved it :D
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 23, 2007, 08:54:53 PM
Once on the road in Ancona, the optimum route to Empoli would be as follows:

 1: Start out going SOUTHWEST on VIA VENTINOVE SETTEMBRE toward LARGO CADUTI SUL MARE. 0.3 miles Map
 
 2: VIA VENTINOVE SETTEMBRE becomes VIA GUGLIELMO MARCONI. <0.1 miles Map
 
 3: Turn RIGHT onto BANCHINA GIOVANNI DA CHIO. <0.1 miles Map
 
 4: Turn LEFT onto MOLO SUD. 0.3 miles Map
 
 5: Turn LEFT onto VIA LUIGI EINAUDI. 0.2 miles Map
 
 6: Take the E55 ramp toward A14 / SS76 / ROMA / PESARO. 1.2 miles Map
 
 7: Stay STRAIGHT to go onto VIA FLAMINIA. 1.1 miles Map
 
 8: Turn LEFT to take the E55 ramp toward A14 / SS76 / ROMA. <0.1 miles Map
 
 9: Turn SLIGHT RIGHT onto VIA CONCA / SP4 / STRADA PROVINCIALE DEL VALLONE. Continue to follow SP4 / STRADA PROVINCIALE DEL VALLONE. 0.8 miles Map
 
 10: Turn SLIGHT RIGHT onto ramp. 0.1 miles Map
 
 11: Merge onto SS16 / STRADA STATALE ADRIATICA. 3.3 miles Map
 
 12: Turn SLIGHT RIGHT onto ramp. 0.3 miles Map
 
 13: Merge onto SS76 / STRADA STATALE DELLA VAL D'ESINO. 1.6 miles Map
 
 14: Turn SLIGHT RIGHT onto ramp. 0.4 miles Map
 
 15: Merge onto A14 toward BOLOGNA (Portions toll). 127.1 miles Map
 
 16: Keep RIGHT to take A14 toward BOLOGNA CASALECCHIO / A1 / FIRENZE / E35 (Portions toll). 3.5 miles Map
 
 17: Keep LEFT to take A1 toward FIRENZE (Portions toll). 56.6 miles Map
 
 18: Take the S.G.C. FIRENZE-PISA-LIVORNO exit toward FIRENZE SCANDICCI. 0.7 miles Map
 
 19: Take the ramp toward PISA / LIVORNO / SCANDICCI. 0.1 miles Map
 
 20: Merge onto STRADA DI GRANDE COMUNICAZIONE FI-PI-LI. 11.9 miles Map
 
 21: Take the ramp toward EMPOLI EST. 0.1 miles Map
 
 22: Turn LEFT. 0.1 miles Map
 
 23: Turn LEFT onto SS67 / VIA TOSCO-ROMAGNOLA / STRADA STATALE TOSCO-ROMAGNOLA. Continue to follow VIA TOSCO-ROMAGNOLA. 1.0 miles Map
 
 24: VIA TOSCO-ROMAGNOLA becomes VIA JACOPO CARRUCCI. <0.1 miles Map
 
 25: Turn SLIGHT RIGHT onto VIALE FRANCESCO PETRARCA. 0.1 miles Map
 
 26: Turn LEFT onto VIA GIULIO MASINI. 0.4 miles Map
 
 27: Turn LEFT onto VIA TINTO DA BATTIFOLLE. <0.1 miles Map
 
 28: Turn RIGHT onto PIAZZA DELLA VITTORIA. <0.1 miles Map
 
 29: Stay STRAIGHT to go onto VIA DEL GIGLIO. <0.1 miles Map
 
 30: Turn LEFT onto VIA COSIMO RIDOLFI. <0.1 miles Map
 
 31: VIA COSIMO RIDOLFI becomes PIAZZA DEL POPOLO. <0.1 miles Map
 
 32: End at Empoli, Toscana IT  Map
 
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If you want to see it mapped, use http://www.mapquest.com/directions/europe.adp?go=1&do=nw&rmm=1&un=m&cl=EN&qq=hltF3hzNT9vgCYgFpG%252fDI6Zd139xgLqWl5mHnyn%252b%252b8o%253d&ct=EU&rsres=1&1y=IT&1a=&1c=Ancona&1z=&2y=IT&2a=&2c=Empoli&2z=&r=f  
 
The biggest portion is the Austostrada 14 toward Bologna and then the Austostrada 1 toward Florence. A team that could figure out this route and do it according to the estimated time would have arrived by about 2am, which Nathan and Jennifer may have done. Everyone else was 3 or more hours behind that.





Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 23, 2007, 09:11:19 PM
Was there any indication of which ferry line was taken? Here is the departure list (http://www.viamare.com/TimetablesFS.php?trip=return&Outbound_route=34&Outbound_month=7&Outbound_Year=2007&Inbound_route=35&Inbound_month=7&Inbound_Year=2007&submit=View) for the three ferry lines for July 2007. SNAV generally leaves Split at 1700, while Blue Line leaves at 2100.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 23, 2007, 09:13:19 PM
Too bad we never put more thought into "Split!"

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 23, 2007, 09:15:02 PM
Yeah, it was in front of us the whole time; serves us right for not thinking laterally.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 23, 2007, 09:50:29 PM
Well at least Peach got into Split.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 23, 2007, 10:59:15 PM
Was there any indication of which ferry line was taken? Here is the departure list (http://www.viamare.com/TimetablesFS.php?trip=return&Outbound_route=34&Outbound_month=7&Outbound_Year=2007&Inbound_route=35&Inbound_month=7&Inbound_Year=2007&submit=View) for the three ferry lines for July 2007. SNAV generally leaves Split at 1700, while Blue Line leaves at 2100.

I wrote it down as I was watching. It was definitely SNAV. See my remark on this above in post #409.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 23, 2007, 11:02:53 PM
Too bad we never put more thought into "Split!"

I put serious work into flights from Split. I gave cursory consideration to ferries from Split to the Italian mainland. However, the issues of the very long drive at night after arrival stumped me, so I totally discounted ferry as the arrival mode for Italy. I still can't believe that World Race Productions actually did it.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 23, 2007, 11:07:20 PM
Yeah, just finished watching. The editors threw in some exterior shots of the Croazia Jet (http://www.ferry-site.dk/picture/ferry/9140918b.jpg).
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 23, 2007, 11:14:22 PM
While apskip was on holiday I actually looked into ferries but I was trying to make Florence come before Croatia and so I never pursued it as a transport means for this...can I kick myself any harder? It was right there!!!  All that hard work on making the flights work.. :cmas4

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13694.msg240429.html#msg240429

The possible means of transportation lnk in that post gives some ferry info---darn --darn--darn!

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Dubrovnik by Sea:

Ferry schedules vary seasonally, and passengers with cars or tight schedules should make enquiries and book ahead, especially in season. Some vessels do not take prior bookings, but require passengers to check in 90 or more minutes before departure. A number of operators offer runs connecting with Dubrovnik, Jadrolinija being the largest local operator.

Jadrolinija Ferry

via Croatian Coast: Rijeka, Split, Stari Grad, Korcula, Dubrovnik, Bari. Large passenger and car ferry.
Dubrovnik-Bari, Italy. Large passenger and car ferry.
Dubrovnik- Kolocep-Lopud-Sipan
Peljesac- Mljet ferry available.
Nova

offers useful seabus runs connecting within Dubrovnik, and the surrounding ports and islands, utilizing smaller, faster vessels than the larger operators: Dubrovnik Old Town; Gruz Harbour; Lapad; the Elefites(Kolocep; Lopud; Sipan); Lokrum Is.; Cavtat; Plat
Alpex

run between Dubrovnik, the Elefites, and the island of Mljet. Fleet includes Nona Ana Catamaran to Mljet.
Krilo

operate between Split, Hvar, and Korcula
Azzurra line

from Italy runs connections taking passengers and cars between Bari and Dubrovnik
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 23, 2007, 11:17:50 PM
While apskip was on holiday I actually looked into ferries but I was trying to make Florence come before Croatia and so I never pursued it as a transport means for this...can I kick myself any harder? It was right there!!!  All that hard work on making the flights work.. :cmas4

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13694.msg240429.html#msg240429

The possible means of transportation lnk in that post gives some ferry info---darn --darn--darn!

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Dubrovnik by Sea:

Ferry schedules vary seasonally, and passengers with cars or tight schedules should make enquiries and book ahead, especially in season. Some vessels do not take prior bookings, but require passengers to check in 90 or more minutes before departure. A number of operators offer runs connecting with Dubrovnik, Jadrolinija being the largest local operator.

Jadrolinija Ferry

via Croatian Coast: Rijeka, Split, Stari Grad, Korcula, Dubrovnik, Bari. Large passenger and car ferry.
Dubrovnik-Bari, Italy. Large passenger and car ferry.
Dubrovnik- Kolocep-Lopud-Sipan
Peljesac- Mljet ferry available.
Nova

offers useful seabus runs connecting within Dubrovnik, and the surrounding ports and islands, utilizing smaller, faster vessels than the larger operators: Dubrovnik Old Town; Gruz Harbour; Lapad; the Elefites(Kolocep; Lopud; Sipan); Lokrum Is.; Cavtat; Plat
Alpex

run between Dubrovnik, the Elefites, and the island of Mljet. Fleet includes Nona Ana Catamaran to Mljet.
Krilo

operate between Split, Hvar, and Korcula
Azzurra line

from Italy runs connections taking passengers and cars between Bari and Dubrovnik

Ignore that--it was definitely SNAV
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 23, 2007, 11:26:06 PM
Well, I think I got this part right:    :cmas16

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This shot was probably taken here.

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 23, 2007, 11:34:56 PM
As well as the placements Chateau  :jam: but TK & Rachel we had no screencaps to work with so still you rock!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 23, 2007, 11:38:09 PM
Who would have guessed--NO airport drama! :cmaslol

You did GREAT Chateau!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 23, 2007, 11:40:06 PM
These are from our picture source -- and this is why I think Boboli is later as in Pitstop. Our source had a similar picture for Dubrovnik  and the Rumsiskes mill ------
I had the pitstop but some where saying too touristy so changed my mind to Anchiano but we saw Anchiano too so it was cool.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: georgiapeach on December 23, 2007, 11:42:52 PM
I'm just glad we got to see it all! But kind of pitiful that that was all we got to see of Florence....
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 23, 2007, 11:51:35 PM
Here is the route that Nate & Jenn took to beat all the other teams.  They had very good luck with their source of directions.  The guy (in a uniform?) actually indicated that the Bologna way was not good at the time.

See that they turned off the main highway at Forli.  They took a mountain road that was more direct and not closed until 6 am!

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 24, 2007, 12:01:01 AM
And those Italian cafe patrons must be laughing their asses off at TK and Rachel for falling for the directions they gave: 

'head to Roma, turn at Florence...'

Loosing the clue was not the big time loss for TK & Rachel.  They took so long because of the length of the drive:   :groan:

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: flagrant-8 on December 24, 2007, 09:44:31 AM
 :xmas49

Hello everybody! I have been a TAR fan from season one. Can you believe I just discovered you? You guys are so thorough and post interesting information that fleshes out the race. I know this must be hard work but fun and wanted to let you know I appreciate it. I too am rooting for the GOTHS! From day one I loved their focus, ability to ace the challenges and sensitivity to their environment. Last night, waaah. But at least they're still in the game. I am keeping all body parts crossed that they pull it out next week. If Jen and Nate wins I will actually eat fruitcake which should be considered one of those icky food challenges on Survivor. Of course they're all lovey dovey now cause they're doing decently but waiting for another meltdown as soon as something doesn't go their way. TK, could he be more of a dunderhead? I was hoping Grandpa wouldn't get the tattoo so that would put them behind and give K and V more of a chance. Sigh....just glad the two week wait is over. Now why in the heck do they do that? Just pisses me off! (:;)
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: gingerman28 on December 24, 2007, 10:41:37 AM
Who would have guessed--NO airport drama! :cmaslol

You did GREAT Chateau!

Second that :cmas51

But lots of airport drama next week.  And the true character of the Goths finally comes out; to do anything to win!
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 24, 2007, 11:09:54 AM
And those Italian cafe patrons must be laughing their asses off at TK and Rachel for falling for the directions they gave: 

'head to Roma, turn at Florence...'

Loosing the clue was not the big time loss for TK & Rachel.  They took so long because of the length of the drive:   :groan:
Chateau,

My Goth, that route TK & Rachel took is like driving to Tampa from Miami, but driving down to Key West first, then back up again. That's such a circuitous route. It's no wonder JeNation got to the Detour so quickly.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 24, 2007, 12:15:48 PM
tvdrew at TWoP has found the SNAV time table (http://www.viamare.com/TimetablesFS.php?trip=return&Outbound_route=34&Outbound_month=8&Outbound_Year=2007&Inbound_route=35&Inbound_month=8&Inbound_Year=2007&submit=View) for the Split to Ancona ferry.

There is only one trip per day and it leaves at 5:00 pm, arrives at 9:30 pm.  Consistent with what we saw.  That's a big bad bunch.  Nick and Don (and A&H) could have completed the Dubrovnik leg as late as 3:30 am on the 20th (8.5 hours after they did) and things would still be the same.   :groan:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 24, 2007, 03:36:38 PM
I was quite surprised by the actual transportation modes, as it required teams to be driving long distances at night, never a safe practice. The Split to Ancona ferry on SNAV left Split at 1700, which gave the last two teams ample time to get there and have a leisurely lunch. That ferry arrived Ancona after a 4 hour 40 minute run at 2140. After getting cars and getting directions, it would probably be about 2230 before teams got on the road.

Hey, CHATEAU, forget TVDREW. Just read this thread!

The implications for the best road route from ANCONA to EMPOLI and how the best teams should have gotten there by 0200 are in the following post, page 17 of this thread(we are on page 18 right now).
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 24, 2007, 03:54:54 PM
Of course you said it.  But you did not document it with a link.  I still give Kudos to tvdrew for that.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Chateau d If on December 24, 2007, 04:11:41 PM
And this

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Apskip  16: Keep RIGHT to take A14 toward BOLOGNA CASALECCHIO / A1 / FIRENZE / E35 (Portions toll). 3.5 miles Map
 
 17: Keep LEFT to take A1 toward FIRENZE (Portions toll). 56.6 miles Map 

was the road that was closed until 6 am.  So, when you say this

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A team that could figure out this route and do it according to the estimated time would have arrived by about 2am, which Nathan and Jennifer may have done.

you missed the route that Nate & Jenn used.   :umn:

The key was in the episode when they spoke of the turnoff at Forli.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: apskip on December 24, 2007, 10:12:32 PM
Once again, I will not be providing a link where it is not justified; here is the bus trip from Dubrovnik to Split:

SPLIT :: approximated trip duration - 4,5 h ::
 5.00, 5.30, 6.00, 8.00, 9.00, 10.15, 11.00, 13.00, 15.30, 16.30, 17.30, 18.00, 19.00, 19.45, 21.00

We know that our first 3 teams easily made the 5am bus. TK and Rachel hustled and made the 6am bus. Donald and Nicolas would have made the 8am bus and arrived in split at 1230, 2 to 3 hours behind the other teams. However, there was ample time to get the SNAV ferry tickets and have that leisurely lunch I mentioned in an earlier post.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 26, 2007, 09:39:00 PM
I am so pissed off, I am writing my report and just finished researching routes, ferry schedules, and bus times. And didn't even check here.  Damn it to hell.

But apskip on the bus route.  According to the screen shot, in the episode there is buses at 5, 6, 6:30, 7.  Can't see any further to say how often after that.  But of course in the long run it doesn't matter as they had plenty of time to catch the ferry.
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 27, 2007, 10:58:45 AM
If anyone has better resolution on their video, I'd appreciate some help on the bottom of this Detour card:
Note for both Detours (choices?)
At the end of your Detour you something something. The last team to check-in may (will?) be eliminated.
It happens at around 35 min. when TK opens his card.

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Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 27, 2007, 11:07:07 AM
I see At the end of your Detour you better HURRY
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: Slowhatch on December 27, 2007, 11:13:22 AM
 :reading: Good enough for me; thanks.  :tup:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: puddin on December 27, 2007, 11:14:35 AM
 :kuss:
Title: Re: EP7 airs 12/23 : "This is Forever, Now"
Post by: mswood on December 27, 2007, 12:23:53 PM
never mind