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Archive => RFF Archived Boards => The Amazing Race 12 Archive => Topic started by: puddin on July 09, 2007, 10:04:03 PM

Title: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on July 09, 2007, 10:04:03 PM
 :waves:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 09, 2007, 10:31:21 PM
 :'(
PUDDIN! you gave me a heart attack! i thought this meant we found something for sure!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on July 09, 2007, 11:08:14 PM
Find a filming date you guys and i might have something to share!!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 09, 2007, 11:11:00 PM
Really?!
How the hell do you find a filming date!!

Didn't TAR11 and TAR10 both start on a Tuesday or Wednesday! Common...tell us something
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 09, 2007, 11:41:47 PM
 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
im trying! but i dont know what to look for!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on July 09, 2007, 11:44:48 PM
get to work  :whips

let it be tuesday morning/afternoon and i shall hopefully have something for you all
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: swimmer12 on July 10, 2007, 09:35:59 AM
Wait puddin u already no somthing? lol
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 10, 2007, 10:49:16 AM
It's Tuesday! Did you find anything yet Kogs?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on July 10, 2007, 11:37:43 AM
It's Tuesday! Did you find anything yet Kogs?

when i get the info im looking for it will be posted michael, unfortunatly this could take time
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 10, 2007, 11:42:38 AM
It's ok, no rush! I know you're working hard so take your time :jam:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: red_sox on July 13, 2007, 07:17:50 AM
AHhh! I NEED TO KNOW IF THEY ARE COMING TO AUSTRALIA!
Is there any possible way for me to suss it out from this end?  :-\ :jam:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: apskip on July 13, 2007, 07:54:40 AM
red sox, from your prior experience in viewing the RFF research process on Amazing Races, you will know that it is practically impossible to know where the Race is going in advance. We can guess and anticipate, but never know until it is actually there and we have photographic evidence of being in a specific place. This occurs one to several months in advance of the public showing of the race on TV in the U.S., so it is sufficient to meet the needs of forum members if we get that evidence close to or soon after the actual times.

The best way to know that a Race is going to Australia is if it is known to be in a close-by country like India, Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam, Philippines, Hong Kong or New Zealand. Once you get word of any of those happening, you need to be super-vigilant.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 13, 2007, 06:26:15 PM
I guess the race didn't start yet :(
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on July 13, 2007, 06:31:40 PM
I guess the race didn't start yet :(

patience big guy :waves:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: swimmer12 on July 15, 2007, 07:51:16 PM
i think that the race already started and nobody saw it but what do you all thing?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 16, 2007, 02:15:42 PM
There were to spoiler posts at TwOP, any word on if they are real or not?

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Today @ 12:39 pm

I have it on very good authority (my best friend) that the Amazing Race 12 is being filmed in Prague today. My friend spotted the cluebox and waited around and saw many racers grab clues. He asked production and they say it will be aired in September. I just got the email from him telling me this, along with a picture!!!
plurie

Today @ 12:46 pm

A friend of a coworker was recently on a flight to Burkina Faso with contestants and camera crews who claimed to be filming TAR. (He'd never seen the show, so he didn't know to ask any other questions.)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on July 16, 2007, 02:33:28 PM
Thanks for bringing it over Michael!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 16, 2007, 02:37:08 PM
No problem puddin - but I was sure if it started filming they would have been spotted in America before taking off, but who knows!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: KingCrimson88 on July 16, 2007, 03:22:55 PM
If that spoiler is true, it's about time they went to the Czech Republic. Took them way too long.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on July 16, 2007, 03:41:15 PM
I'd love to see that picture, lol. I'm have the feeling that peach is working on that right now!

The thing I wonder and stands out to me is why would production offer any info as well as the camara crews and or contestants?


I have it on very good authority (my best friend) that the Amazing Race 12 is being filmed in Prague today. My friend spotted the cluebox and waited around and saw many racers grab clues. He asked production and they say it will be aired in September. I just got the email from him telling me this, along with a picture!!! 

A friend of a coworker was recently on a flight to Burkina Faso with contestants and camera crews who claimed to be filming TAR. (He'd never seen the show, so he didn't know to ask any other questions.) 
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 16, 2007, 03:47:02 PM
I think the second one sounds a lot more believable, but hopefully we can get this picture if the first one is indeed true?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: KingCrimson88 on July 16, 2007, 03:49:36 PM
Huh, didn't even notice that. Production never tell anyone that they're filming TAR or when it will air.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: patlini on July 16, 2007, 04:49:03 PM
I wonder if the filming in Prague is related to Amazing race Central Europe - or did that franchise get canned?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on July 16, 2007, 05:20:34 PM
working on it guys! ;)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: banredbeans on July 16, 2007, 06:24:37 PM
Production would never say they are filming TAR and the contestants aren't allowed to say that either.   (:;)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on July 16, 2007, 06:29:03 PM
Aren't you suppose to say we're filming a documentary Tammy?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: banredbeans on July 16, 2007, 07:43:35 PM
No you can tell them what you want.  I had some people ask us what we were filming as we walked around the Reflecting pool 10 million times :groan:
I told them we were filming a commercial for Helman's mayonnaise.   :tup:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on July 16, 2007, 07:46:02 PM
lmao :rotf:!!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: swimmer12 on July 16, 2007, 08:57:41 PM
No you can tell them what you want.  I had some people ask us what we were filming as we walked around the Reflecting pool 10 million times :groan:
I told them we were filming a commercial for Helman's mayonnaise.   :tup:

You were on the amazing race!?!? the reflecting pool was season 8 right?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on July 16, 2007, 10:05:37 PM
I think the second one sounds a lot more believable, but hopefully we can get this picture if the first one is indeed true?

Michael D, I am with KingCrimson88. I think that Prague is long overdue as an Amazing Race city. However, I think it could be the long-rumored Central European Amazing Race rather than AR12 that was visiting there.

On Burkina Faso I must say that it is not a country with anthing special to attract a stop by the Amazing Race. It has no remarkable geographic features, no unique  major products, and nothing to distinguish itself from any other West African country. It is very poor but so are most of those countries. I see no compelling reason for AR12 to be stopping there but that does not mean that it did not happen.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: mswood on July 16, 2007, 11:40:22 PM
swimmer12

Look at her Name.  baneredbeans.  It should ring a bell.  The only episode of this Amazing Race that actually made me cry.

To think, in the first 5 minutes I of the first episode, I didn't think I would like this team.  Boy was I ever the hell wrong.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: mswood on July 16, 2007, 11:43:11 PM
I think the second one sounds a lot more believable, but hopefully we can get this picture if the first one is indeed true?

Michael D, I am with KingCrimson88. I think that Prague is long overdue as an Amazing Race city. However, I think it could be the long-rumored Central European Amazing Race rather than AR12 that was visiting there.

On Burkina Faso I must say that it is not a country with anthing special to attract a stop by the Amazing Race. It has no remarkable geographic features, no unique  major products, and nothing to distinguish itself from any other West African country. It is very poor but so are most of those countries. I see no compelling reason for AR12 to be stopping there but that does not mean that it did not happen.

As much as I want some good ol spoilers for season 12.

After AR Asia (and how surprised I was on how much I enjoyed it), I want a Europe version.  I know they have talked about and even taken apps.

I blame the US education system which focuses so heavily on "Western Civilization, ie a ton of things in Europe) that I have always been facinated by it and would love to see a full regional show in that area.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: banredbeans on July 17, 2007, 06:43:54 AM
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To think, in the first 5 minutes I of the first episode, I didn't think I would like this team.  Boy was I ever the hell wrong.

That is so nice of you to say mswood
I didn't like our edit at all in the beginning either.  After I watched the videos from press day I called Bill up at work and told him how I didn't like our team :groan:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: swimmer12 on July 17, 2007, 09:06:58 AM
omg your the gaghan family i loveddd you guys!! i cant believe the name didnt click.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on July 17, 2007, 09:30:19 AM
Michael D, I have been pondering the question of why might the Amazing Race want to visit Burkina Faso and I have finally come up with one angle. It is to utilize an extremely poor country with minimum risk of cell phones with cameras attached to take pictures of the Race and broadcast it instantly worldwide. CBS and World Race Productions may be trying to avoid publicity of AR12 while it is happening. I have always thought they do a poor job of that except during the finish line and could do a lot more. The best response is to choose a route through places where few know about the Amazing Race. They may be doing exactly that.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: banredbeans on July 17, 2007, 09:51:51 AM
I was thinking this time out they might actually want more publicity so people would "talk up" the show.  :dancer:

Thanks swimmer :jumpy:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 17, 2007, 02:13:55 PM
Alright, more from TwOP:

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Today @ 10:13 am
Post#6180
According to my coworker, the contestants and camera crews were initially coy about what program they were working on, but eventually some of the contestants said it was TAR.

This is the same user who was posting the Burkina Faso spoiler.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: apskip on July 17, 2007, 06:31:41 PM
It's time to get started on flight speculation, so here goes:

Perhaps the first destination of AR12 is Burkina Faso. There are 24 airports in the country, but I am going to speculate that an Amazing Race would take the quickest and simplest into the country and that is arriving in the capital city of Ougadougou. There are nonstop flights to OUA from Paris - Charles de Gaulle (CDG). The question of which U.S. city was the start point is important but I am not going to get hung up on it since almost every major U.S. city in the eastern half of the country has non-stop flights to Paris. Just for the purpose of example, I am choosing Washington - Dulles(IAD) as the starting airport. The flights from CDG to OUA are only on Saturdays and Wednesdays and the sighting was apparently quite recent, so I am going to pinpoint the departure date from the U.S. as the afternoon/evening of Friday July 13. From IAD that means AF27 departing 2020 arriving CDG 1150. There is an earlier flight, but why bother? The connecting flight on Saturday July 14 (Bastille Day in France) was AF730 leaving at 1610 and arriving OAU 1940. That's all I can say right now. I am going to think about where the Race could logically go next. I see probably a minimum of 2 more legs in Africa and none in South America, then a route up to Europe and across Asia.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on July 17, 2007, 07:52:55 PM
 am ready for some fearless predictions again. Last time Zanzibar was one of 10 that I predicted would be an African stop. This time it will be more difficult because starting from Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso limits where you can reasonably get to. Here is a list of the major airports in Africa:

Algeria Algiers, Hassi Messaoud, Tamanrasset
Angola Luanda
Benin Cotonou
Botswana Gaborone, Maun
Burkina Faso Ouagadougou
Cameroon Douala, Garoua, Yaounde
Chad Ndjamena
Congo Kinshasa
Ivory Coast Abidjan
Djibouti Djibouti
Egypt Cairo, Hurghada, Luxor, Mt. Sinai, Nuwiba, Sharm-el-Sheik
Equitorial Guinea Malabo
Ethiopia Addis Ababa, Jijiga
Gambia Banjul
Ghana Accra Kumasi
Guinea Bissau Bissau
Kenya Kisumu, Malinda, Mombasa, Nairobi
Liberia Monrovia
Libya Benghazi, Tripoli
Mali Bamako, Timbuktu
Mauritiania Nouakchott
Morocco Agadir, Casablanca, Marrakech, Rabat
Mozampbique Maputo
Namibia Windhoek
Niger Niamey
Nigeria Abuja, Kano, Lagos, Port Harcourt
Senegal Dakar
Sierra Leone Freetown
Somalia hargeisa
South Africa CapeTown, Durban, Johannesburg, South African Game Parks
Sudan Khartoum
Tanzania Arusha, DarEsSalaam
Togo Lome
Tunisia Monashir, Sfax, Tunis
Uganda Entebbe
Zambia Lusaka
Zimbabwe Harare

So, now you can make your own guesses on where the Amazing Race is headed. From Ougadougou there is no water transportation and going by land to the next place is not very likely. Teams will almost ceratinly have to fly somewhere. Where will it be?

My top 7 picks are:

Yaounde, Cameroon
Douala, Cameroon
Kigali, Rwanda
Kampala, Uganda
Lusaka, Zambia
Arusha, Tanzania
Nairobi, Kenya 

I took a look at going to Timbucktu or to Kinsangani, Zaire, but both of them involved long, difficult trips with many connections. I like the first 5 places as countries where the Amazing Race has never been or has only been tangentially (Zambia in AR1). I like Arusha to utilize all the planning from the lost AR11 pitstop. I like Nairobi for its access to white water rafting and several gorgeous national parks. Please nominate where in Africa you think the Amazing Race will go and why.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: mswood on July 17, 2007, 08:01:43 PM
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To think, in the first 5 minutes I of the first episode, I didn't think I would like this team.  Boy was I ever the hell wrong.

That is so nice of you to say mswood
I didn't like our edit at all in the beginning either.  After I watched the videos from press day I called Bill up at work and told him how I didn't like our team :groan:

Seriously it was hate at first sight (kidding) but I didn't like the opening.  But by the time you guys had made it to the sporting goods store, I was loving your team.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: banredbeans on July 18, 2007, 08:47:18 AM
I don't know why they wanted us to come off all know it all snotty like.  Maybe this way it showed how the race changed us and made us better people - who knows??? 
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: patlini on July 18, 2007, 10:06:41 AM
I think that they may do a hop around West Africa initially - which would be cool.
My brother has worked in both Nigeria and Ghana for extended periods of time and from what he told me that would defnitely be placing someone out of their western world comfort zone.  The Gambia is also quite tourist friendly.  I would like to see them go to Kenya - Mombassa - beautiful scenery.

as to the lost pit stop in Arusha would someone mind explaining what happened?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on July 18, 2007, 11:00:08 AM
I think that they may do a hop around West Africa initially - which would be cool.
My brother has worked in both Nigeria and Ghana for extended periods of time and from what he told me that would defnitely be placing someone out of their western world comfort zone.  The Gambia is also quite tourist friendly.  I would like to see them go to Kenya - Mombassa - beautiful scenery.

as to the lost pit stop in Arusha would someone mind explaining what happened?


I'm game. The finish of the pitstop after Mozambique was supposed to be in Arusha, Tanzania after teams flew there from Zanzibar. However, the massive delays in flights from Johannesburg to Dar es Salaam threw the schedule off for all teams, some arriving in DAR more than one day behind others. Decisions were made to pull the pitstop back from Arusha to the fort in StoneTown, Zanzibar. This eliminated Arusha as a pitstop. However, its international airport was still a connecting point for several teams to get to Europe on the way to Warsaw. More detail is available on this in the AR11 threads.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: patlini on July 18, 2007, 01:15:40 PM
Cheers apskip!!!  I'll have a dig around over there.

And that would make it an easy addition to this race.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: TARAsia Fan on July 18, 2007, 08:38:31 PM
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To think, in the first 5 minutes I of the first episode, I didn't think I would like this team.  Boy was I ever the hell wrong.

That is so nice of you to say mswood
I didn't like our edit at all in the beginning either.  After I watched the videos from press day I called Bill up at work and told him how I didn't like our team :groan:
Hi Tammy! It's KenF from TarFlies. Nice to see you here.  :waves: :waves:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: musicman85 on July 18, 2007, 10:21:49 PM
I'm not sure if this is helpful but I just got word from one of the musical composers of the show and he's already in the process of mixing cues for the show. Maybe this means that we'll get a TAR season before December maybe?

Well I guess the good news about all this is that the rumor about TAR being cancelled seems to be false now.

Hi banredbeans aka Tammy =) I thought you guys were great on the show. I have to agree with many other people when I say that it was really sad to see you get eliminated all because of a red bean! Gosh I hate those type of challenges, they always eliminate the best teams on the show!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on July 18, 2007, 10:31:45 PM
I'm not sure if this is helpful but I just got word from one of the musical composers of the show and he's already in the process of mixing cues for the show. Maybe this means that we'll get a TAR season before December maybe?
!

 :jumpy: :jumpy: i love tar music, i wish the composers would sell there music on a cd. well hopefully we get it before december but it looks like sunday is out since viva laughlin isnt starting till late october. im praying cane, and kid nation fall flat early
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: swinners22 on July 18, 2007, 11:28:11 PM
Hey guys, I might have some news that could confirm the next amazing race is a family thing with teams of two.

Well, like a year ago I sent a letter to Phil saying they should have a family edition but with teams of two and actually have a world-wide race and stuff.

So I totally forgot about it until today

because at my front door came a package with a SIGNED photo of Phil came!

It read,

To Luke,

Think Now!

Phil

and then he wrote a smiley face.



And I couldn't understand what think now meant until i came on here and saw that it was a rumor that it would be a family edition with two people on a team!

OMG! Maybe I gave them the idea! cool!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 18, 2007, 11:30:20 PM
Well, "NOW" is the name of his new show so who knows? I'm not sure.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: swinners22 on July 18, 2007, 11:41:53 PM
it is?

Where is any info on that?

and i thought his show was no oppurtunity wasted?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 18, 2007, 11:43:07 PM
yeah it is No Opportunity Wasited which = NOW.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: swinners22 on July 18, 2007, 11:44:37 PM
oh, lol.

but why would he put that on it?

idk.

and it probably would be in all caps maybe? cuz it's an abbreviation

i dont know!

hmmm

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: banredbeans on July 19, 2007, 06:21:23 AM
Thanks Musicman :-*  You guys are all just so nice.  I still am upset about that bean.  I just could not find it :groan:

I love the music they do for TAR especially the Led Zepplin one they seem to use every season.  Sorry Bill(husband is huge LZ fan) I can't remember the name of the song.

Hi back at ya Ken :jam:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: swinners22 on July 19, 2007, 10:10:42 AM
Hey Tammy!

I'm watching Amazing Race 8 right now on GSN! (I taped it)

You guys did great! I mean, having only one other person who could really navigate in the backseat must be challenging but also having to take care of Billy and Carissa while getting them involved too must have been tough! But you guys did it!

But yeah, your elimination was the heartbreak of Race 8!  :'(
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: banredbeans on July 19, 2007, 10:45:57 AM
I can't even watch that episode it makes me cry to see Carissa try so hard to be brave and know it was all my fault we were in that situation. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on July 19, 2007, 10:52:40 AM
We all cried Tammy  :'( but it wasn't your fault Carissa cried! I blame TPTB, it was that stupid challenge :meow: I was like nice going, now you went and made a little girl cry, I do not want to see that on my tv  :knuckles:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: swinners22 on July 19, 2007, 12:25:04 PM
Hey Tammy, I had a question I've always wanted to know.

What was up with the Weavers? I mean, almost everyone hated them but I never saw them do anything mean or anything like that! Was there anything behind the scenes that we didn't get shown or something?

and I read your guys' interview in My Ox is Broken! Man I love that book!

And the introductions by Billy and Carissa were cute! How old are they now?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: musicman85 on July 19, 2007, 02:10:57 PM
I think another family edition is a good idea. I enjoyed the first season of it, but was a little dissapointed with the lacking of the tasks. I think the cast definetely carried that season, and it'll be interesting to see teams of 2 which are family related. We might even get some new ones including maybe an aunt and uncle and more siblings which we haven't seen in a while. Maybe they'll be some cameos from the Family Edition 1, that would be pretty cool to see.  :jumpy:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: banredbeans on July 19, 2007, 06:11:07 PM
Billy is 14 and at least 6 inches taller than me(he grew over a foot these past 2 years) and is sporting facial hair.   Carissa looks the same.  There are some pictures of them over at tarflies from May.

My husband just reminded me from Singapore it was two years ago today that we were eliminated  :'(




Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: randomnzer on July 20, 2007, 04:39:36 PM
Came across this: http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/410965/951252

The interview may be of interest to some.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: GnarlyMarly on July 20, 2007, 06:23:38 PM
^It's an article on All Stars?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on July 20, 2007, 07:16:03 PM
My sister in Devonport NZ tells me that local television there shows the Amazing Race many months behind the United States, about 5 months by what that interview indicates. When I was in Australia in April I thought I would be seeing Episodes 10 and 11. What I got instead was episodes 2 and 3, which places Australia about 2 months behind the U.S.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: randomnzer on July 20, 2007, 08:45:14 PM
All Stars only started screening here last week (I think). I originally thought that maybe the interview had been filmed recently.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on July 20, 2007, 09:03:23 PM
All Stars only started screening here last week (I think). I originally thought that maybe the interview had been filmed recently.
Don't feel bad randomnzer .. all is good. Hey i don't even know what day it is if that makes you feel any better? lol
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on July 20, 2007, 11:04:56 PM
I s this good news --bad news?

I'm all in favor of losing the non-elims, but would rather have heard lose the Intersections.


And two less episodes regardless of the reason is never a good thing.  That is two less places to visit!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Slowhatch on July 20, 2007, 11:12:29 PM
And it might mean a (2 weeks) later start if they want the show to finish during May sweeps.
And I don't know about that "tough...younger" talk; sounds like mactor stuff  :( (but I hope I'm wrong).
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on July 20, 2007, 11:20:57 PM
Sorry I moved your post to a new topic/media thread Slowhatch ..didn't mean to throw peach's post out if synch.
So question..do you all think they are really out there racing now?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on July 20, 2007, 11:24:22 PM
REPOST:

No media thread, so I'll throw this in here: a Littman interview from a CBS preview party (courtesy of the Orlando Sentinel (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2007/07/cbs-party-offer.html))
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"The Amazing Race": The Emmy-winning reality show is not on the fall schedule and will return later. "The countries are very exotic," Littman says. "We're going to a couple of places that I don't even know where they are on the map. I've had to go look them up."

As for the teams? Lively.

"This is a tough group," Littman says. "They'll be younger. We still have a good balance."

The show will will do two fewer episdoes and drop the noneliminations to create more excitement.


Hi Slowhatch! :waves:

Nice find!

Maybe the younger thing fits in with the rumours of families again--do you think they might lower the age limit some? Teenagers?

I.m still hoping for a late fall start myself--but you know me--I never give up!

Wonder if this really reflects a tighten up on the purse strings rather than a streamline the show?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on July 20, 2007, 11:26:41 PM
sorry--just move them all!


And yes--I do believe they are out there and have been racing for perhaps as much as two weeks. No evidence mind you, just gut feeling.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: musicman85 on July 20, 2007, 11:28:55 PM
At least this time with families, they're not racing all in the US which is good news. Nothing bad about visiting places in the US, but it just lacks excitement when teams have to go to the biggest chair in the world verses a famous palace in a country.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on July 20, 2007, 11:39:51 PM
I know I've said it before but we need proof they are racing so that the cast spoilers can be released  :'(
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: KingCrimson88 on July 21, 2007, 12:27:33 AM
Two fewer legs? Boo-urns!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on July 21, 2007, 12:47:20 AM
I'll take 2 fewer legs as long as they give us better locations, better tasks , you know spend more money to make it up. I'll take my TAR anyway I can get it as long as it doesn't go away!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on July 21, 2007, 08:44:46 AM
I'll take 2 fewer legs with no non-elims. Since there were 4 non-elims and no TBCs in AR11, that could mean there will be 2 TBCs in AR12 if there are 11 teams and 11 episodes.

If there were no non-elims and no TBCs, the only way to maintain the same 13 legs would be to add 4 teams or with 2 TBCs to add 2 teams.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Typesalot on July 22, 2007, 12:56:45 PM
If they're already racing but no one's been able to figure out when and where the teams left the US, is it possible the race may have started in another country? If they flew the teams from their individual home cities to a different country, it would be a lot easier to avoid detection.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: randomnzer on July 22, 2007, 03:11:53 PM
Conspiracy theory:

Tammy mentioned in a post a while back that Billy and Carissa are away on camp. Could "camp" = AR12?

Just a thought...
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: musicman85 on July 22, 2007, 06:27:09 PM
Wouldn't they be too young to be on the show? I know that might have lowered the age requirements but they can't even drive cars yet lol. Sorry to bash the hope :(
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: KingCrimson88 on July 22, 2007, 08:34:27 PM
What would be the point of bringing them back? I mean, really.

And if they didn't leave the US in the family edition, why would they bring back kids and actually leave the US this time?


 
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: musicman85 on July 22, 2007, 09:09:20 PM
I hope when Jonathan Littman said he didn't know where some of the places they're going this season aren't places in the US and having them travel again throughout the US. I'm hoping he means more exotic places throughout the world  :zz:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: banredbeans on July 22, 2007, 09:21:27 PM
randomnzer - You are too funny

Quote
Conspiracy theory:

Tammy mentioned in a post a while back that Billy and Carissa are away on camp. Could "camp" = AR12?

Just a thought...

I was wondering why Carissa kept wanting to learn how to drive my car which has a stick shift before she left for camp.  :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on July 22, 2007, 09:28:38 PM
randomnzer - You are too funny

Quote
Conspiracy theory:

Tammy mentioned in a post a while back that Billy and Carissa are away on camp. Could "camp" = AR12?

Just a thought...

I was wondering why Carissa kept wanting to learn how to drive my car which has a stick shift before she left for camp.  :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

go karting can be alot of fun tammy  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on July 24, 2007, 10:53:47 AM
I have a hypothesis that the sighting in Burkina Faso may have been the Brazilian Amazing Race rather than AR12. If Amazing Race Asia 2 can go to Hungary, then why can't Amazing Race Brazil go to Africa? You can get to Ougadougou from Sao Paulo with one connection in Paris.

If it was AR12, isn't it odd that weeks later there hasn't been even a whisper anywhere around the globe. Now this is the way I would have designed it, using very low income, off-the-beaten-track countries to avoid detection by all the spoilers of the world. Maybe that's just what van Munster/Doganieri did. More probably, AR12 has not left yet.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: swimmer12 on July 24, 2007, 12:20:02 PM
yeh im pretty sure they didnt leave yet. has there been any permits found?  ok back to reading harry potter
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: KingCrimson88 on July 24, 2007, 01:59:06 PM
Just because TAR10 was spoiler heavy, doesn't mean that every season has to be. There were practically no sightings of teams in TAR9, other than a vague Australian and Alaskan spoiler.

They left already, I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 24, 2007, 02:03:18 PM
Why are you sure they left?
ps swimmer12: harry potter 7 is awesome, have fun reading
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: swimmer12 on July 24, 2007, 08:38:45 PM
idk i just seemed so unlikly that they have left already.

And thanks Michael i just finished it was the best in the series. Some things are unaswered though.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on July 25, 2007, 07:22:11 PM
psssssssssssssssssssssssst

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Race 12 and More… Starts Here!   Tuesday, July 10, 2007 So… Amazing Race 12 won’t be airing until January 2008 or so, but work is already underway. I like it that our schedule this time around isn’t quite so hectic. It means I’ll have a chance to dig in and try some new ideas, sounds, techniques… and with any luck the music will be all the better for my extra tinkering-time.
 
It isn’t always that way—extra time can sometimes be a bad thing, believe it or not! I’m a firm believer that struggle is underrated, that the fear of an impending deadline can streamline and refine the creative process. I think that, as composers, we have to learn to trust our first instincts and make ‘em work. Sometimes those instincts are wrong… but if we’re constantly second-guessing them, I think we get into the bad habit of believing our ‘gut feeling’ is somehow disposable, that it’s something to be ignored. In a business where it’s our opinion (creative, musical, narrative, aesthetic) that we’re selling, that can be a crucial mistake.
 
Right now, though, I’m enjoying the extra time to create. I have a bunch of new sound libraries and audio plug-ins and mix techniques I want to try, and it’s nice to have the luxury of making some mistakes for a week or two. You won’t hear those mistakes—they’ll be relegated unceremoniously to the Trash—but I’ll hear them. And, with any luck, I’ll be able to use them to make the next incarnation of Amazing Race music even better: harder-hitting, sonically richer, more adventurous. I can’t wait!
 
 
 
Image: Where will the twelfth Amazing Race take you? Tune in and find out!—in a few months.
http://www.sandersmusic.net/Site/Blog/E72135F5-B767-44AE-A693-2BA3D5CB4505.html
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on July 26, 2007, 03:02:15 AM
Slowhatch found a sighting in Prague here  (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12553.msg201214.html#msg201214) :).
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 26, 2007, 12:33:51 PM
 :yess: :wohoo:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: swimmer12 on July 26, 2007, 02:31:35 PM
Slowhatch found a sighting in Prague here  (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12553.msg201214.html#msg201214) :).

wait is that for tar 12 or tar asia?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on July 26, 2007, 02:35:50 PM
Go read the Asia spoiler thread swimmer  ;)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: swimmer12 on July 26, 2007, 03:40:07 PM
omg im such an idiot haha i didnt even realize there was a link on the word here.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 26, 2007, 03:42:06 PM
I wonder if CBS is just so tight about security this time around that they started like...2 weeks ago and the race is already half way done...I doubt it...but who knows.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: Slowhatch on July 26, 2007, 11:32:16 PM
A cameraman who worked TAR9 is also claiming TAR12 (http://www.petrcikhartfilms.com/projects.html) (bottom of page). Can't tell if there's any useful info in the photos.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: Kogs on July 27, 2007, 08:07:51 AM
the steadycam operator
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2007
The Amazing Race 12
(13 episode series)
CBS
World Race Productions Inc.
Bruckheimer Television
Bertram van Munster - Director
Jerry Bruckheimer - Executive Producer


http://www.johnperry.tv/


Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 28, 2007, 12:41:55 AM
This site speculates on the possibility of the race already filming:
http://www.tarbloob.com/2007/07/tar12-taping-rumored-underway.html
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on July 28, 2007, 12:59:56 AM
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There are other unofficial Amazing Race-related sites that will try to track the taping as it goes along around the world
:jam: :werock:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on July 28, 2007, 01:02:09 AM
 :wohoo:
I e-mailed the Lee Sanders guy (the music person) hopefully he's able to answer my question about the TAR12 filming, but probably not.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: michael on July 31, 2007, 01:13:49 AM
The music guy e-mailed me back, he said the usual as somebody told me he would - "i can't say, i signed a contract, blah blah"
but it was really nice of him to take the time to send me one and he told me to enjoy the show!

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: Neobie on July 31, 2007, 08:52:47 AM
Ready to jump back into spoiler action!

We know he puts TAR pictures into his webpage; here's the Rion-Antirion Bridge from TAR9...

(http://www.petrcikhartfilms.com/design/IMG_1313.jpg) (http://etwinning.gr/projects/elia/images/july04_3.jpg)

Also from TAR9, the Grand Mosque in Muscat...

(http://www.petrcikhartfilms.com/design/IMG_1349.jpg) (http://www.ged.rwth-aachen.de/Ww/people/chris/projects/Oman/images/Oman%2006%20website/IMG_0378%20grand%20mosque.jpg)

Here's Swayambhunath Buddhist Stupa in Tibet... from "Blindsight"?

(http://www.petrcikhartfilms.com/design/dia35.jpg) (http://www.2001everest.com/ev/lesson_plans/monkey_temp.jpg)

Snow monkeys from Hokkaido... from "Be the Creature"?

(http://www.petrcikhartfilms.com/design/foto16_.jpg) (http://www.petrcikhartfilms.com/design/foto17.jpg) (http://www.snowjapan.com/e/features/snow-monkeys/monkeys/snow-monkeys-official.jpg)

Here's Prague's Church of Our Lady Before Tyn... but does it mean anything? Doesn't seem to fit the description of the other shows he's listed...

(http://www.petrcikhartfilms.com/design/IMG_0376.jpg) (http://z.about.com/d/goeasteurope/1/0/z/0/-/-/OurLadyBeforeTyn.jpg)

ETA: Oh, he was born in Prague.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on July 31, 2007, 10:36:39 AM
Neobie, nice Prague pictures. You'll find several more in the Amazing Race Asia 2 Spoilers thread, which is where all the action is right now with ARA2 finishing about now, having started in Singapore maybe July 3. ARA2 filmed in Prague on July 17.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on July 31, 2007, 11:40:13 AM
Great job on the photo detecting Neobie!

Guess it would be too much to hope that he would drop TAR 12 in our laps, huh?

Although it would be funny if TARA and TAR 12 decided to run some legs simultaneously just to throw all of us off....
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on August 02, 2007, 04:01:24 PM
I'm not ready to give up on the Burkina Faso rumor, particularly since it fits time-wise with Dubrovnik. The burkina Faso report was on July 16 for some time slightly earlier. Dubrovnik is for July 19.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on August 02, 2007, 06:17:01 PM
But didn't you say a long time ago when the rumor first came up that there was nothing geographically interesting enough in Burkina Faso that the TAR producers would want to visit for?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on August 02, 2007, 10:49:45 PM
Michael D, I have been pondering the question of why might the Amazing Race want to visit Burkina Faso and I have finally come up with one angle. It is to utilize an extremely poor country with minimum risk of cell phones with cameras attached to take pictures of the Race and broadcast it instantly worldwide. CBS and World Race Productions may be trying to avoid publicity of AR12 while it is happening. I have always thought they do a poor job of that except during the finish line and could do a lot more. The best response is to choose a route through places where few know about the Amazing Race. They may be doing exactly that.

Michael D, I have no problem with your quoting me, but to keep it in context please quote all of my posts that are relevant. The above post was issued one day after the one that you cited and it takes a 360 degree turn on the earlier one after I took the opportunity to think about "Why would anyone in World Race Productions want to go to Burkina Faso?".
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on August 03, 2007, 12:01:23 AM
 B:) B:) B:)


bringing this over from a previous thread for good measure:

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RichInSydney

Posts: 7
(7/3/07 7:32 pm)
 Re: TAR12: Rumors, Possible Lies and Possible Facts
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Just got back from Brunei as I work as a I.T systems consultant for retail and small to medium sized commercial companies. I heard rumours from staff at the Yayasan shopping centre, which is in the capital, that they had been contacted by producers in the US for fliming of a TV show towards the end of August.

Does anyone else have knowledge of this? 


link  (http://p085.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm23.showMessageRange?topicID=8262.topic&start=1&stop=20)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on August 03, 2007, 11:48:09 AM
For good measure :lol:

Amazing Race is one of Rosie’s favorite TV shows, but don’t expect her and Kelli to appear on the celebrity version of Amazing Race anytime soon. Apparently the thought of it wouldn’t get very far as she said “Hell No” when asked if she would consider it. Now that is a show I’d definitely want to Tivo. I think everyone is curious to know the dynamics of their relationship.

Rosiefans.com (http://rosiefans.com/rosie/ask-ro/rosiekel-on-celebrity-amazing-race/)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on August 03, 2007, 04:43:36 PM
 :lol3:

bah! I want spoiler pictures of the teams if they're out there and my first sight at the new dustin and kandice :(
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on August 05, 2007, 09:13:44 PM
Let me state the obvious. If TAR12 left the U.S. on or about July 16, it will finish Aug. 13, or in about 8 days. There have been sitings that may be TAR12 in Bukina Faso and Dubrovnik and rumors that there would be a stop in Malaysia. Other than those, it has been quiet on all fronts. This is a truly remarkable job of designing a route to avoid detection. That means that when TAR12 telecasts actually start, we will basically know what CBS wants us to know unless there are significant improvements in reports of where this Amazing Race has been.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on August 06, 2007, 07:42:07 PM
Thanks to puddin in the spoiler thread, we know that the race reportedly began on July 1-3.

I can now add that the race ended on or before August 3.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on August 06, 2007, 07:43:53 PM
Peach you are awesome, Thanks! :dancer:
wow...the race people were sneaky this season!
I swear, if a boot list comes out I'll be so angry LMAO

I remember the teams for Race 10 came out in August 15 (or sometime around that date, my friends birthday) last season!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on August 06, 2007, 08:11:09 PM
After last season, we are having to work for our Detective stripes this season.

And you know what? It makes it even more fun and rewarding when we do find something.

You know what Santayana said-- "The Difficult is that which can be done immediately; the Impossible is that which takes a little longer."

The fact that CBS/WRP has gone to such lengths to maintain secrecy about this race is I believe, in some ways a tribute to our past spoiler successes.

So  up and at 'em, Detectives!

PS: so that means if there should be a boot list Michael, that we shouldn't tell you? :rotf:
 
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on August 06, 2007, 08:57:59 PM
NO  :lol: ! No more boot lists! It ruined the season for everyone and most detectives lost interest :grins: (still regrets that I did it my way) !!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on August 06, 2007, 08:59:57 PM
I still have nightmares about seeing:

2nd Place: Dustin and Kandice  :'( ...they were so close :(
oh well, I'm over it now :angel:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Slowhatch on August 06, 2007, 09:13:19 PM
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It ruined the season for everyone
Don't include me!  :lol: If you have it, use it; it's all good.  :tup:

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The fact that CBS/WRP has gone to such lengths to maintain secrecy about this race...
Maybe. Or maybe we just hit a run of bad luck; we can't roll naturals with the TAR dice every season. Give it a few more weeks for any straggled posts and photos to show up.


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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: mswood on August 06, 2007, 10:03:37 PM
I am curious about the race locations.  This race may just feature a lot of more remote locations or locations where AR isn't a real draw.  (I have no idea on World Wide Coverage of the raec, where its popular and where it isn't).
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on August 06, 2007, 10:52:24 PM
After last season, we are having to work for our Detective stripes this season.

And you know what? It makes it even more fun and rewarding when we do find something.

You know what Santayana said-- "The Difficult is that which can be done immediately; the Impossible is that which takes a little longer."

The fact that CBS/WRP has gone to such lengths to maintain secrecy about this race is I believe, in some ways a tribute to our past spoiler successes.

So  up and at 'em, Detectives!

PS: so that means if there should be a boot list Michael, that we shouldn't tell you? :rotf:
 


and there using sneeky names for film permits  ;) :waves:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: TARAsia Fan on August 06, 2007, 11:09:57 PM
I'm curious about locations, but I'm still bitter about TAR11's boot list, but life goes on. We'll see how it goes this season.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on August 09, 2007, 01:36:50 AM
B:) B:) B:)


bringing this over from a previous thread for good measure:

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RichInSydney

Posts: 7
(7/3/07 7:32 pm)
 Re: TAR12: Rumors, Possible Lies and Possible Facts
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Just got back from Brunei as I work as a I.T systems consultant for retail and small to medium sized commercial companies. I heard rumours from staff at the Yayasan shopping centre, which is in the capital, that they had been contacted by producers in the US for fliming of a TV show towards the end of August.

Does anyone else have knowledge of this? 


link  (http://p085.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm23.showMessageRange?topicID=8262.topic&start=1&stop=20)

No idea if this is related?

Dubbed "The Brunei Adventure Race 2007" or BAR 2007, the event is divided into two parts; the first event is organised in conjunction with His Majesty the Sultan and Yang Di-Pertuan of Brunei Darussalam's 61st birthday celebration. It will be held on August 26 at the Jerudong Park Playground.

link  (http://www.brudirect.com/DailyInfo/News/Archive/Aug07/090807/nite10.htm)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on August 09, 2007, 08:25:10 AM
I think that since we know that TAR 12  filming ended on or before 8/3, it is at least safe to say that anything being filmed at the end of August is not our TAR 12.

But that kind of sounds like fun!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: gingerman28 on August 09, 2007, 09:48:05 AM
I like the fact that we seem to be back to "the good ole days" in that we probably will have to wait until the first CBS promos come up (December??) or after the next Emmy Award (September) or not until we see the first opening montage of sites.  That will put us really under the gun to try and figure out the sequence and locations.  Should be a great deal of fun.  So start building an index of photos from locations around the globe.

Since we have heard nada but nada on the takeoff and landing of TAR12, I am looking to the fact, as someone mentioned earlier, that the start may actually be overseas somewhere.  Teams could be flown incognito to almost anywhere and we wouldn't know squat about it.

I did hear one little rumor from a guide I met in Romania in June that someone (no idea who) had been asking her firm last Spring about travel from Bucharest to the area around Bran castle (Dracula's home in Transylvania): how far, could you drive there, what the area had of interest besides the castle, hotels and restaurants, and whether or not filming could take place at the castle.  No idea what it might have been, but it could be, it could be (Romania, Bucharest, Transylvania would all be newbies)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Slowhatch on August 09, 2007, 11:17:25 AM
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No idea if this is related?
That's the trouble I'm running into with my subscription feeds: a lot of copycat races (esp. in Singapore schools and USA summer camps).
Between the copycats and the TV chat ("what are my favorite shows? The Amazing Race, AI,  B:)  B:)) and the comparison blogs ("we were rushing through the airport, it felt like the Amazing Race") you have to look through a lot of dirt to find some ore.  :reading:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on August 09, 2007, 12:23:39 PM
^^ or torrents Slowhatch, same problem here, lol.
I wasn't saying that Brunei was our Race or not, I was just saying that the article I found could be related to what RichInSydney had posted at sucks, just speculating Gman.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on August 09, 2007, 05:23:56 PM
I did hear one little rumor from a guide I met in Romania in June that someone (no idea who) had been asking her firm last Spring about travel from Bucharest to the area around Bran castle (Dracula's home in Transylvania): how far, could you drive there, what the area had of interest besides the castle, hotels and restaurants, and whether or not filming could take place at the castle.  No idea what it might have been, but it could be, it could be (Romania, Bucharest, Transylvania would all be newbies)

Gman, your Bran's Castle/Transylvania rumor is interesting to me. My church has an ongoing partnership with a sister church in Transylvania and rumor has it that my church choir is going to visit there next summer. When I examine the geography, it's not a huge distance from Dubrovnik to Transylvania. Dubrovnik had an airport when I flew into it in 1975 and it's still functional today, so teams could fly out and connect to Bucharest(or do the reverse). An overland trip is theoetically possible but I imagine it would be difficult.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on August 22, 2007, 03:25:44 PM
It's time to hyothesize a route for AR12. I must say that in pondering this there is a huge credibility gap created by the fact that a shorter 11 leg race is apparently being run in a longer 31 day time period. That just doesn't compute. Anyway, I have come up with a route through Central America, Central Africa, Europe, then unknown, then finishing Malaysia, China, Alaska. The specifics are:

Leg 1 July 3 Mexico (I like Merida) as the starter

Leg 2 July 6 Nicaragua (or Belize, Honduras, El Salvador)

Leg 3 July 10 Ivory Coast or Ghana

Leg 4 July 13 Burkina Faso

Leg 5 July 16 Prague (let's believe that they were trying the cross to confuse us)

Leg 6 July 19 Dubrovnik - this is one of two confirmed for sure places

Leg 7 July ?  unknown

Leg 8 July ? unknown

Leg 9 July 28 Malaysia

Leg 10 July 31 China

Leg 11 Aug. 2 Girdwood, Alaska - the other of the confirmed for sure places

That 9 day period for the unknowns to do 2 legs is clearly troublesome, even with most of one day wiped out for west to east air travel and time zone difference.

I am giving further thought to the unkowns. Russia, the "stans", the Middle East, and India all lie in between.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on August 24, 2007, 09:45:33 AM
I have developed another off-the-wall hypothesis that is just crazy enough to maybe be true. If the Amazing Race Asia 2 race and the AR12 race crossed in Prague on July 17, then it is possible that the Intersection that we had documented proof of for ARA2 could involve partnering ARA2 teams with ARA12 teams. If there were a mismatch in numbers of teams, there are ways to handle that (such as a Fast Forward for the leading team or a penalty for the lagging team). I doubt that there would be a mismatch of more than 1 in number of teams. Although it is possible that AR12 had 13 teams, I consider it most unlikely. I am guessing that they had 11 or 12. I am also guessing that ARA2 had more than 10 so they could have TBCs.

With respect to my post just above, I have been thinking about the "unknowns." It is not necessary that there were any unknowns if there were a total of 2 TBCs run doubling up in any of the specified locations. The "Eastern Europe to Malaysia" flight issues provided so much drama for AR11 that World Race Productions might just want to see that happen again.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on August 24, 2007, 02:53:43 PM
Seriously, we cant rule out this being TAR12. These dudes look familiar to me... dig dig.
i found this today

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertgarcia/832645844/
:tup: Yes, as best I can match it it's the small nook seen here at the Incheon (Seoul) airport (source (http://www.flickr.com/photos/masselli/810709/)).
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on August 24, 2007, 03:40:54 PM
Seriously, we cant rule out this being TAR12. These dudes look familiar to me... dig dig.
i found this today

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertgarcia/832645844/
:tup: Yes, as best I can match it it's the small nook seen here at the Incheon (Seoul) airport (source (http://www.flickr.com/photos/masselli/810709/)).

the pics in the link i found is
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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on August 24, 2007, 03:49:36 PM
I'm still digging Kogs, both the camera men just strike me as "I've seen them before"  ???
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on August 24, 2007, 03:53:37 PM
I'm still digging Kogs, both the camera men just strike me as "I've seen them before"  ???

i know!!! look back at the tar10 spoiler pics we got last year. thats where you prob saw them.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on August 24, 2007, 04:35:08 PM

I did that Kogs  :lol:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on August 24, 2007, 05:29:40 PM

I did that Kogs  :lol:

:lol: im sure we will find it
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on August 25, 2007, 09:52:53 AM
We can now start a little Timelines work on the LAX to Ireland leg. The first question is did AR12 go into Dublin airport or Shannon airport (the only two international airports in the country that I am aware of). Since we can't answer that question, I will look at it both ways.

The obvious flight from LAX to Dublin would be the 10 hour nonstop EI144 leaving LAX 1630 arriving DUB 1030 GMT, Daylight Savings version. Somehow, I just don't think the Amazing Race would take this if they could do something on American Airlines. However, the only AA option through LHR leaves at 1805 anvd arrives 1630, 6 hours later, so I don't think they used American. Alternate flights from LAX to LHR are BA278 departing 1535 arriving 0945 and NZ2 departing 1140 arriving 1100, but then they have to get connections into DUB. Those connections are almost hourly.

Into SNN there are only a few options. Through DUB, there are only two flights a day from DUB to SNN. They are EI133 departing 1145 arriving 1230 or EI125 departing 1300 arriving 1345. EI144 would connect easily with either of those flights. However, the question of what happens if there is a delay across the Atlantic is a serious one. The fact is that Shannon is only a 3.5 hour bus ride across the center of Ireland from Dublin, but would the rules of the Amazing Race accomodate that? The connections from LHR to Shannon are more frequent. that AA136 flight noted above connects with EI165 to SNN departing LHR 1425 arriving SNN 1540.

If I were World Race Productions trying to have a stealth campaign to avoid detection, what would I do? I would have no connections, so I would put everyone on EI144 to Dublin and end the flying there. I would get them onto buses(not self-drive cars on the left hand side after an overnight) or taxis and take them to some remote Irish castle (there are hundreds of these). I would stay away from Dublin totally and sneak the teams back into Dublin airport at night in small groups for their departure.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on August 25, 2007, 10:09:32 AM
I have also taken a look at the West African airlines to see the possibilities for AR12 getting from country to country by air. It can be done in selected instances. Most West African airlines have route structure set up to funnel passengers to and from Paris, with no regard for moving them between countries in West Africa. There are 2 notable exceptions, Air Afrinat and Air Ivoire. Air Afrinat goes to 3 cities a day for 6 of the days of the week. Air Ivoire focuses on the capital cities of Ivory Coast (Abidjan), Mali(Bamako), and Burkina Faso(Ouagadougou) with service several times a week between them. I am going to speculate that AR12 utilized the available air travel structure for stops in Bamako(or maybe Timbucktu now known as Tombouctou, which is a place flight from Bamako) before Burkina Faso and Abijan afterward. I have not found air routes involving Accra, Ghana, so I am placing that into a low probability category now.

Remember that teams landed in Ireland probably on July 4 and did not reach Prague until July 16. That is 12 days that they have to be in Ireland and other places. West Africa would be ideal to soak up extra time given the travel delays from non-daily flight schedules. I can see 3 legs possible there or elsewhere in Africa.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: patlini on August 26, 2007, 02:26:32 PM
do you think that they could have gone to Belfast?  Northern Island is now one of the "hot" destinations in Europe.

A visit to giants causeway would be cool.

As to flights - if they did a hop to the east coast that would open up a bunch of options but i guess that wouldn't be very stealth....
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: patlini on August 26, 2007, 02:31:59 PM
I am also delighted that they are finally visiting Ireland - half of my family lives there  ;D
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Neobie on August 28, 2007, 02:06:09 AM
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Dubbed "The Brunei Adventure Race 2007" or BAR 2007, the event is divided into two parts; the first event is organised in conjunction with His Majesty the Sultan and Yang Di-Pertuan of Brunei Darussalam's 61st birthday celebration. It will be held on August 26 at the Jerudong Park Playground.

That's interesting - I just read about this in the papers on the flight back from Brunei yesterday!

Didn't manage to find much of interest to us over there, but I did leave a few contacts in case any of my new friends found anything. I'd like to confirm that the BAR has little to do with TAR - it's more of an Eco Challenge thing than a TAR thing.

I'm wondering what they could possibly do in Brunei; any TAR challenges would most likely take place outside the capital (Seria for the oil, Temburong for the jungle - that's where BAR itself would take place).

Will keep listening out for more!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on September 06, 2007, 06:55:23 PM
Here's some new thinking on timing and how AR12 might have started:

The information from WAMgirl at TWOP states definitively that the departure from LAX to Ireland was the afternoon of Sunday July 8. puddin's information is equally clear that AR12 started no later than July 3. Unless the information on when it started confused the usual multi-day lockdown period, then the first 2 legs must have been somewhere prior to departure from LAX.  My original hypothesis on where AR12 might go initially was Mexico or Central America before heading for West Africa. It is conceivable that the race started July 2 or 3 with 2 legs in Mexico (or maybe one of them in Central America, then one in northwest Mexico), then came over the border by plane, bus, boat or car to Los Angeles on July 8. Any location south or east of northwestern Mexico would not logically go through Los Angeles as a transfer point. It would go through Houston or Miami.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: gingerman28 on September 07, 2007, 08:36:11 AM
We can now start a little Timelines work on the LAX to Ireland leg. The first question is did AR12 go into Dublin airport or Shannon airport (the only two international airports in the country that I am aware of). Since we can't answer that question, I will look at it both ways.

The obvious flight from LAX to Dublin would be the 10 hour nonstop EI144 leaving LAX 1630 arriving DUB 1030 GMT, Daylight Savings version. Somehow, I just don't think the Amazing Race would take this if they could do something on American Airlines. However, the only AA option through LHR leaves at 1805 anvd arrives 1630, 6 hours later, so I don't think they used American. Alternate flights from LAX to LHR are BA278 departing 1535 arriving 0945 and NZ2 departing 1140 arriving 1100, but then they have to get connections into DUB. Those connections are almost hourly.

Into SNN there are only a few options. Through DUB, there are only two flights a day from DUB to SNN. They are EI133 departing 1145 arriving 1230 or EI125 departing 1300 arriving 1345. EI144 would connect easily with either of those flights. However, the question of what happens if there is a delay across the Atlantic is a serious one. The fact is that Shannon is only a 3.5 hour bus ride across the center of Ireland from Dublin, but would the rules of the Amazing Race accomodate that? The connections from LHR to Shannon are more frequent. that AA136 flight noted above connects with EI165 to SNN departing LHR 1425 arriving SNN 1540.

If I were World Race Productions trying to have a stealth campaign to avoid detection, what would I do? I would have no connections, so I would put everyone on EI144 to Dublin and end the flying there. I would get them onto buses(not self-drive cars on the left hand side after an overnight) or taxis and take them to some remote Irish castle (there are hundreds of these). I would stay away from Dublin totally and sneak the teams back into Dublin airport at night in small groups for their departure.

I have been away and out of touch so this may have been considered previously.  If they have been seen in the International Terminal at LAX then they most likely are flying on a foreign-flag airline since international flights on American, United, Delta, etc. would leave from their own terminals not the International Terminal.  So best bet they are on EI165 to DUB.

Another possiblilty, following someone's lead, the teams are in the International Terminal since they just arrived on a Mexican flight from Mexico.  Starting off in a foreign country, as we have speculated on previously, would certainly hide the teams departures.  Moving the teams individually to Central America or Mexico certainly would be a new wrinkle and would hide the beginning from snoops like us.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on September 07, 2007, 08:57:29 AM
Gman, I believe you meant EI144, the nonstop from LAX to DUB. EI165 is a connecting flight from LHR to SNN.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on September 07, 2007, 08:58:27 AM
To continue my speculation about northwest Mexico, here are some possible places where AR12 could have gone very quietly:

Chihuahua
Hermosillo
Mexicali
Tiajuana
Monterey

However, I believe that the most likely places for AR12 to go would have been La Paz near the southern tip of Baja California and Ensenada just south of Tiajuana. In both cases, getting to Los Angeles on July 8 would have been easy (flights from La Paz and boats, buses or cars from Ensenada).

I do not expect that places as far south as Puerto Vallarta or Guadalajara would have been involved, since both can be reached through Houston International Airport.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: gingerman28 on September 13, 2007, 10:25:06 AM
Me thinks it will be a  l    o    n    g Fall accommin  :dick
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on September 13, 2007, 09:31:35 PM
Continuing in the vein of speculating a first leg to Mexico, here are the logical starting cities in the U.S. for each logical northwest Mexico city that might have been chosen, with the mode of transportation by car to maximize the quiteness of the first leg:

Tiajuana and Ensenada - San Diego

Mexicali - San Diego or Palm Springs

Hermosillo - Tucson

Chihuahua - El Paso

Monterrey - San Antonio

However, La Paz at 1000 miles south of San Diego is too far to reach by road. Teams would have to fly there, but it could be from a lot of places (connecting through Los Angeles or San Diego).
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: gingerman28 on September 17, 2007, 03:39:08 PM
I still think that there is a strong possibiliity that the TAR12 racers were flown independently to one of the Mexican locations.  Most are easy to reach through various US airports so they could be moved to Mexico without raising much fuss - which would attract the TAR Dectives like flies to honey!!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on September 17, 2007, 08:20:21 PM
GMAN, you inspired me to do a little more research on LaPaz, which I think is a prime place for AR12 to go to on its first leg. I neglected to think about Cabo San Lucas, which has an international airport 2 hours by road from LaPaz, and which could be an alternate destination although it is more "touristy" with visitors more familiar with The Amazing Race.  To the International Airport of San Jose del Cabo, a 2-hour drive to La Paz, there are connections from San Diego, Seattle, Portland, Las Vegas, Denver, Dallas, Houston, Minneapolis, and Chicago as well as Canadian cities.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: gingerman28 on September 18, 2007, 08:09:23 PM
I'm always happy to provide inspiration.  Ask Puddin :kuss:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on September 18, 2007, 08:50:29 PM
They are letting me out of the BB house tonight Gman!  :jumpy: I'm almost home handsome :luvu:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on September 18, 2007, 09:21:55 PM
They are letting me out of the BB house tonight Gman!  :jumpy: I'm almost home handsome :luvu:

get a castle suite love birds :waves: ;D
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: gingerman28 on September 19, 2007, 08:11:50 PM
I'm still waiting for Transylvania to send me the deed to Bran Castle.  Believe me even with all the stories about Count Vlad connected with the place, it is a hellva better place to hole up for five months waiting for TAR than the BB house with all those dag gone cameras watching your every move.  Anyway Survivor starts tomorrow in China :jumpy:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: the_headcrusher on September 19, 2007, 08:36:37 PM
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I have also taken a look at the West African airlines to see the possibilities for AR12 getting from country to country by air. It can be done in selected instances. Most West African airlines have route structure set up to funnel passengers to and from Paris, with no regard for moving them between countries in West Africa. There are 2 notable exceptions, Air Afrinat and Air Ivoire. Air Afrinat goes to 3 cities a day for 6 of the days of the week. Air Ivoire focuses on the capital cities of Ivory Coast (Abidjan), Mali(Bamako), and Burkina Faso(Ouagadougou) with service several times a week between them. I am going to speculate that AR12 utilized the available air travel structure for stops in Bamako(or maybe Timbucktu now known as Tombouctou, which is a place flight from Bamako) before Burkina Faso and Abijan afterward. I have not found air routes involving Accra, Ghana, so I am placing that into a low probability category now.

This post of mine may not have much relevance, but what the hell :js: 
When looking at flights from numerous African airlines going into places like Europe, you may not find many flights.  Quite a few of African airlines (and some eastern european) airlines that are banned from flying into Europe. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_air_carriers_banned_in_the_EU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_air_carriers_banned_in_the_EU)
Maybe this could help refine people's searches.

I could never be on this show :'(  Being obsessed with the airline industry (hopefully making it to airline pilot one day :yess:) there are quite a few airlines I wouldn't fly because of their spotty safety record.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: CeeeJay on September 21, 2007, 10:21:51 AM
so do we know the date this will air yet?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on September 21, 2007, 10:33:53 AM
so do we know the date this will air yet?

we have to see which shows make it past a month. personally i think if it does make it to air before january it wont be until november
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on September 21, 2007, 10:43:29 AM
Sadly no, CeeeJay...

It is still listed as a midseason replacement, which means it could still slide into the spot of an early booted CBS show this fall--but in reality, I suspect that it will probably not be until late Jan-early Feb of 2008.

One of the reasons I think it won't be until then is that if we are lucky enough to get it in Nov, they would want to have another race running by late Nov to ensure having a race ready for airing in Jan/Feb 2008 in order to make May sweeps...  And we have seen no evidence of any interviews/casting going on yet.

And former racer buzz seems to suggest that TPTB really want to delay this to rebuild some anticipation/buzz before the new season. They seem to think that 2 shows a year may bore us--oh PLEASE!

Breaks my heart but I think we have a long wait--and think how the teams themselves must feel having to wait 6 months!!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Boingo on September 22, 2007, 04:11:02 PM
 :angel:  FWIW, yet more talk about fifth TAR Emmy & TAR12 in Tarflies interview with Zach from TAR3.

http://www.tarflies.com/downloads/ZachEmmy5.mp3
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: $HOP@HOL!C on September 23, 2007, 12:22:57 PM
Hi! I haven't been on here in forever!! So what's happened so far? Have the teams been discovered yet?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Chateau d If on October 07, 2007, 11:30:35 AM
After Amsterdam and before the flight out of Paris, I hope (speculate?,  no,  just hope) that the Race goes to Nimes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%AEmes), France.

And this would be the view from the mat:

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on October 07, 2007, 11:47:52 AM
TPTB need us in their leg planning department! I like that view!

And the best part? Nimes has a great brocante (antique  market) by the arena!

Task: you must purchase and carry to the pitstop 2 French side chairs....

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Chateau d If on October 07, 2007, 12:00:47 PM
Quick quiz Peach,

Do you know the connection between Nimes and this:

(http://www.allfreelogo.com/stock/thumb-levis.gif)

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on October 07, 2007, 12:14:20 PM
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There is great debate over where the heart and soul of Levis jeans, the denim material, came from. General theory says that it was named for a material first made in France around the end of the 1700s, and known as serge de Nimes. But the problem was that the serge, was made of silk and wool, whereas denim has always been made of cotton. The name however, made sense,
since de Nimes, of Nimes, was simply pronounced denim.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Chateau d If on October 07, 2007, 12:16:06 PM
You got it!!!    :jumpy:

Here is my prepared answer:

(http://howegelb.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/rollingstonesstickyfingers.jpg)

It comes from Levi Strauss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_Strauss) needing a sturdy fabric for his jeans.  He went to Nimes found the fabric called serge.  It was called serge de Nimes.  And that eventually got shortened to just denim.

Cool huh?

The locals are very proud of this and they even have a little museum at the Pont du Gard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_du_Gard) visitor center devoted to the Levis connection.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on October 07, 2007, 12:29:23 PM
Very cool! and I am not talking about the fabric...  :angel:  :-[
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 07, 2007, 01:44:18 PM
Oh nice ummm jeans  :-[ Chateau.

fwiw:

Rudi Teichmann = www: http://www.bt-film.de
 Filmografie Auswahl
Jahr Filmtitel Beschreibung
2007 The Amazing Race #12 Reality TV Format für CBS, Bruckheimer TV, World Race Production, LA, US
2006 The Amazing Race #10 Reality TV Format für CBS, Bruckheimer TV, World Race Production, LA, US
2005 The Amazing Race #9 Reality TV Format für CBS, Bruckheimer TV, Line Production, Emmy Award 2006
2004 The Amazing Race #6 Reality TV Format für CBS, Bruckheimer TV, Line Production


 B&T Films produces films. Each and every production is an original with its own chances and conditions. Our interest is stories with the potential to cross borders. English language pictures and co-productions with partners from abroad are welcomed. For the coming years B&T is developing a slate of English language movies with partners in Ireland, France, North-America and England. Our goal is economical success of each product and high profits for venture capital and private placement investors.


B&T Films offers full production service and line production for producers from abroad. We provide the experience of about 100 productions, ranging from a 15 min short and Cannes competitor, European feature film co-production, line-production of one of the most successful US reality programms worldwide and multiple Emmy winner and service productions for US and UK feature films and Bafta, Golden Globe and Emmy winners.


B&T Films maintains close relations to producers in the UK, Ireland, Canada, the US, the Benelux, France and Scandinavia.


B&T Films is a completely independent business operation.
Our independence is the advantage of our partners. Financially and creatively
 
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on October 07, 2007, 02:30:34 PM
The Netherlands is so small that distances are short--they could easily get to Germany in a few hours--and still be heading towards the plane in Paris...

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 07, 2007, 02:52:02 PM
Wouldn't you think there would be more blogs mentioning a goth team? especially one with pink hair and one with white face paint  :lol:?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on October 07, 2007, 02:57:56 PM
Maybe they got captured by an exotic tribe in Burkina Faso...
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on October 07, 2007, 03:01:04 PM
I wonder if they abandoned their make up during the race due to the heat?

Still, I think pink hair is pretty noticeable
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Chateau d If on October 07, 2007, 03:14:26 PM
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Oh nice ummm jeans   :-[ Chateau.
Thank Mick

(http://www.morrisonhotelgallery.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/120_MickJagger1968.jpg)

That German production company probably helped in Amsterdam (?).  Their role in TAR10 would have been in Finland and maybe Kiev.  The credits may say.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on October 07, 2007, 05:31:12 PM
Since a few folks on this thread have been smoking too much denim recently, let me bring us back down to Europe. Chateau has postulated a stop in Nimes France and GeorgiaPeach has postulated a stop in Germany before the Friday July 12 departure of AR12 for Ouagadougou. First, let me state that both of those are possibliities because with train travel around Europe either can be no more than 4 hours from CDG once a scheduled train leaves.

However, I don't think that there were any stops between Amsterdam and Paris. The arrival of teams on the morning of July 10 in AMS means that their tasks would probably take until the 11th to complete. With a 12 hour rest period, they could depart on the late evening of July 11 or early on July 12. The most logical thing to do at that point is add a 24 hour rest period to make it a 36 hour rest period. Were they to take trains to wherever in Germany or fly to the Nimes area, they would be arrving on the morning of July 12. They might finish tasks the evening of the 12th, but it would be difficult to get trains in the middle of the night to get to CDG in time for the mid-morning departure July 13 of the flight to OUA.

Another factor arguing in favor of my hypothesis is that there would not have been time for any rest stops earlier in AR12 and it would be time for one.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: gingerman28 on October 07, 2007, 08:07:39 PM
Since a few folks on this thread have been smoking too much denim recently, let me bring us back down to Europe. Chateau has postulated a stop in Nimes France and GeorgiaPeach has postulated a stop in Germany before the Friday July 12 departure of AR12 for Ouagadougou.

Ouagadougou! Love it.  When I was in the Foreign Service, the saying was if you really screwed up your next post would be Ouagadougou.  That being just about the world's worst post to serve at!!  So it would be interesting to see what TAR12 might come up with with a visit there.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 07, 2007, 08:16:15 PM
I'll Ouagadougou with you anytime Gman, do you own any Levi's? if not Wranglers will do   :dancer:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: gingerman28 on October 07, 2007, 08:20:45 PM
I'll Ouagadougou with you anytime Gman, do you own any Levi's? if not Wranglers will do   :dancer:

Levi's all the way, babe!  But the only castle I can offer you is a large mud hut.  Not much room to chase you around in that there muddy old fort, so beware!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 07, 2007, 08:26:57 PM
I'll Ouagadougou with you anytime Gman, do you own any Levi's? if not Wranglers will do   :dancer:

Levi's all the way, babe!  But the only castle I can offer you is a large mud hut.  Not much room to chase you around in that there muddy old fort, so beware!
Maybe its me that will be chasing you in those tight Levi's ;) .. and that mud is perfect to slow you down. I'm "wading" on you :luvu:.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: Kiwi Jay on October 20, 2007, 02:07:35 PM
  :( How many teams were spotted in Croatia  :(
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on October 20, 2007, 02:14:21 PM
  :( How many teams were spotted in Croatia  :(
3 early teams then-- 1 in the middle of the pack the GHB team then from what we gather & thanks to Eilan and some photo evidence, 3 in the back of the pack = 7 teams but theres no way to be 100% certain Kiwi Jay :yaya:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: Kiwi Jay on October 20, 2007, 02:26:12 PM
Did Elain see all 7 puddin?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on October 20, 2007, 02:37:53 PM
Did Elain see all 7 puddin?
Only Eilan can answer that Kiwi Jay.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: Kiwi Jay on October 20, 2007, 02:41:29 PM
Oh she is on these boards now, I must have missed that lol. Were did you find this information
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on October 20, 2007, 05:28:20 PM
Oh she is on these boards now, I must have missed that lol. Were did you find this information
Awesome CSI: Amazing Race, detective work compiled here  (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12520.msg193237.html#msg193237).
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 20, 2007, 07:18:20 PM
fwiw~ (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.gogodutch.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D193702&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=9&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522The%2BAmazing%2BRace%2522%2BWRP%2BProduction%2B%26start%3D30%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GGIH_enUS207US208%26sa%3DN) if I'm reading this right? Someone posts Jan van Vuure resume on 10/08/07 locations for his work on WRP.


Name: Jan van Vuure
Born: October 23, 1949 Born: October 23, 1949
Nationality: Dutch Nationality: Dutch
Education: Dutch/English translator Education: Dutch / English translator
Languages: English, French, Spanish (fluently spoken)
German, Portuguese, Kiswahili, Bahasa Indonesia, Japanese (basic knowledge)

Below you will find a list of programs I either produced or worked for. Below you will find a list of programs I either produced or worked for.

The Amazing Race The Amazing Race

50 minute reality travel shows 50 minute reality travel shows

Senegal, Ethiopia, Peru, Belize, Russia, Ukraine, Tanzania, Burkina Faso

WRP/CBS WRP / CBS


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eta: the only place that should be new there is Burkina Faso but we already knew that. Belize was a location that TAR8 was suppose to go to but that leg was dropped due to a hurricane  ( old spoilers here) (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?topic=5916.15;wap2) and  thanks to Wally Branson's podcast at our own RFFRadio "According to an interview with Wally Bransen on RFFRadio, Hurricane Emily forced producers to cancel a leg in Belize. Teams had an extra day off in Costa Rica after Leg 6"
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on October 20, 2007, 10:07:30 PM
Well you certainly did a good job
"We"  ;)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on October 20, 2007, 10:20:10 PM
All of that is logical, but it is too bad to see Ethiopia again, the Ukraine again and Russia again. It would have been nice to see a different east African country and also a different eastern European country.

I had speculated months ago that Arusha, Tanzania would come up to take advantage of the work done for AR11.

I am also going to speculate that in Peru Lima will be the focus since Cuzco has been done. The other possiblity is a quick visit to Machhu Picchu.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 20, 2007, 10:38:12 PM
I'm trying to track down more info on Jan Van Vuure's credits for TAR

The Amazing Race" [Field Producer]
... aka The Amazing Race: All-Stars (USA: eleventh season title)
IMDB (http://amazon.imdb.com/name/nm2569296/filmokey)

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on October 20, 2007, 10:38:43 PM
The Amazing Race The Amazing Race

50 minute reality travel shows 50 minute reality travel shows

Senegal, Ethiopia, Peru, Belize, Russia, Ukraine, Tanzania, Burkina Faso

WRP/CBS WRP / CBS



To be a little logical this is what i think this means.
Senegal and ethiopia are from tar6. Peru is from tar7. Belize which never got run is from tar8. Russia is from tar9. Ukraine is from tar10. Tanzania is from tar11, and Burkina Faso is from tar12.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Slowhatch on October 20, 2007, 10:50:08 PM
Would he claim credit for something that never materialized, for...advance work? Despite the death of the Commissioner and the claims of the film office, I don't want to dismiss Belize just yet.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on October 20, 2007, 11:05:05 PM
This is nagging at me too--I'm not sure he would list a cancelled leg on a resume.

And I would love to see Belize--I think it would be a great location.

I will follow up on this again this week--but I can only say what I said before--they were quite sure that no permits were issued and that no customs entry equiptment permits were applied for or issued.

Perhaps they went in more unofficially? Don't know if that is even an option.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on October 21, 2007, 05:11:19 PM
With the new information, here is some major speculation about the route:

1. the start of the race had to be either U.S. to Peru to Belize City or U.S. to Belize City to Peru. the timing of the the spotting in Belize City makes either one possible.

2. Although I think Lima is the most likely place to go in Peru, Iquitos is a possibility.

3. The inclusion of 4 stops in Africa is problematical. With the arrival of teams on July 13 in Ouagadougou and need to be in Dubrovnik in July 18, that pretty much dictates that Senegal(almost certainly Dakar) is the stop after Ougadougou and before Dubrovnik. Tanzania (I am betting on Arusha) and Ethiopia (we have never seen much of Addis Ababa) are likely to be later.

4. For Ukraine, the obvious place is Odessa since Kiev has been used.

5. For Russia, which would become the jumping off point for Ethiopia and Tanzania, there are 4 primary possibilities: Sevastopol, Rostov, Baku and Irkutsk. I don't think it will be Irnutsk given its huge distance east.

For the Timeline that pulls all of this speculation together, see the post I am about to make in the Timelines thread.

It is more likely than not that those who believe that Mr. Van Vuure's resume is referring to strictly historical Amazing Race stops rather than just the new AR12 probable (in my mind) Belize City pitstop are correct. However, a route involving all of these places is entirely plausible and shown in Timelines. If you have a different route to propose(no doubt with an equally low probability), then let's see it.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 21, 2007, 05:22:34 PM
Mr. Jan Van Vuure is credited for his work on All-Stars so Dar Es Salaam,Tanzania :yes:
For real this man is hard to track down for other credits aside from his work as a Director in Amsterdam as well as the other credits in his resume above.


Atlas Film, the company for which I have been working since 1970, has
made a long series of programs commissioned by both national and Made a long series of programs commissioned by both national and
international networks as well as several Dutch ministries, NGO's, the International networks as well as several Dutch ministries, NGO's, the
United Nations and so on. Many of these programs have been produced United Nations and so on. Many of these programs have been produced
abroad. I also worked as a researcher and a field producer for Abroad. I also worked as a researcher and a field producer for
independent production houses.
At present I am doing research on Independent production houses. At present I am doing research on
international war crimes. International war crimes.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: KingCrimson88 on October 21, 2007, 09:35:26 PM
askip, What makes you think TAR will visit any of those countries this season? It's way more likely that those countries are from the previous seasons, and only Burkina Faso is this season.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kiwi Jay on October 21, 2007, 09:52:01 PM
Yep they were all visited so why will they be visited again
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 21, 2007, 11:31:50 PM
The thread is called "speculation" for a reason. We do have a Belize spoiler here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12521.msg233493.html#msg233493) and discounted it but now we aren't so sure? What we need is more info on Jan Van Vuure because he only credits AllStars as the season he has worked on but if we can find credits for past seasons with Mr. Van Vuure then we should be able to piece together Senegal, Ethiopia, Peru, Belize, Russia, Ukraine etc ..
I think Burkina Faso is enough to tell us that he worked on season 12.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kiwi Jay on October 22, 2007, 01:38:36 AM
Thanks puddin  ;D
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on October 23, 2007, 07:05:53 PM
I have just spent hours trying to find any official proof that TAR 12  was in Belize, and I have to sadly report that I can neither confirm nor deny.

So on the YES! They were in Belize front we have two pieces of information and a lot of hope...

     1) bdearl reported seeing 2 teams in Belize on July 5th--which would fit beautifully with our time line. Sadly, there is no photographic evidence.

     2) We have a mention in Jan Van Vuure's CV of Amazing Race which includes Belize. Unfortunately, we can NOT say with absolute certainty that this mention is for TAR 12--as he could possibly also have worked for the planned TAR 8 visit which never materialized due to Hurricane Emily. He has also previously made a wildlife documentary in Belize. As much as I WANT us to go to Belize, I think this CV (which was additionally translated from Chinese) still leaves room for questions on both sides.

And on the NO WAY! front I am equally left hanging.

     1) The Film Commission of Belize normally issues permits and facilitates customs import of equipment and the immigration process. I say normally because the Office is now closed due to the unfortunate death of its head in August. And the acting deputy of the commission has been wonderful in looking through their records but has been unable to turn up anything. He also believes he would have been aware of any planned filming, and he was not. (Interestingly--EVERYONE I have spoken to remembers the Season 8 planned filming  that didn't happen.)  Are permits ALWAYS required legally? Well--apparently not. Sometimes smaller scale productions were allowed to film without an official permit. So again, I can't say either way.

      2) There is also a legal office which issues the actual permits, approves insurance bonds, helps with the customs entry requirements for bringing in film equipment, and notifies Immigration of what to expect. NONE of that was done in this case, but again, does not rule out a quieter entry.

      3) Permits are normally required to film at the Airport in Belize. But upon occasion, verbal permission for say--filming in front of the airport only--may have been given.  However, I have spoken with the only two people ever allowed to give that verbal permission--and neither of them did so. They also have no recollection of any filming being done on or around the 5th of July. And oh yes--again there were no permits either.


So we have a sighting without photos, a CV that is not clear on the dates, and no permits or official awareness of the filming at all --all of which may not be conclusive proof one way or the other. :groan:

On the other hand we have a beautiful country whose people have been incredibly warm and generous with their time and energy as I have attempted to figure this out.  So I am rooting for Belize all the way.  :tup: But I think until we either see some photos or obtain some other hard evidence, Belize will have to remain POSSIBLE but UNCONFIRMED for now, at least in my eyes.




Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Chateau d If on October 24, 2007, 01:30:39 AM
If Peach can do then so can I.    :waves:

Here's my itinerary:

1--LA to Ireland, 10 left
2--To Amsterdam, 9 left
3--To Vilnius, 8 left
4--To Ouagadougou via Paris, 7 left (extended pit stop)
5--Dubrovnik, 6 left
6--West coast India, 5 left (Puddin's lead here)
7--Taiwan, 4 left
8--Osaka, 3 left
10--Girdwood
11--Finale somewhere

Here is how to fit Vilnius in on the way to Paris:   (42 hours in Lithuania)


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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on October 24, 2007, 07:10:31 AM
If Peach can do then so can I.    :waves:

Here's my itinerary:

1--LA to Ireland, 10 left
2--To Amsterdam, 9 left
3--To Vilnius, 8 left
4--To Ouagadougou via Paris, 7 left (extended pit stop)
5--Dubrovnik, 6 left
6--West coast India, 5 left (Puddin's lead here)
7--Taiwan, 4 left
8--Osaka, 3 left
10--Girdwood
11--Finale somewhere

Here is how to fit Vilnius in on the way to Paris:   (42 hours in Lithuania)


switch osaka and taiwan and your good
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: KingCrimson88 on October 24, 2007, 07:20:23 AM
That sounds about right, except for Alaska. I doubt they would give Alaska a seperate leg. They haven't done that since season 1. There's probably a country we're still missing.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on October 24, 2007, 08:32:17 AM
That sounds about right, except for Alaska. I doubt they would give Alaska a seperate leg. They haven't done that since season 1. There's probably a country we're still missing.

KingCrimson, I know you are  reading spoilers so not sure how you missed this one?  Girdwood, Alaska (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12521.msg225211.html#msg225211) is one of our best documented legs EVER. There is NO doubt about this leg--we have eyewitnesses and absolute firm written proof.

You'll find you can keep up beautifully if you'll check out puddin's spoiler updates (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12520.msg193237.html#msg193237)  (found right at the begining of the spoiler thread) regularly.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on October 24, 2007, 08:44:41 AM
Brought my list over from Vidcaps too:


1--LA to Ireland
2--To Amsterdam
3--To Ouagadougou via Paris
4--somewhere---I'm hoping for Greece--specially Crete!
5--Dubrovnik
6--Lithuania
7--puddin's somewhere ;)
8--Osaka
9--Taiwan
10--Girdwood
11--Finale somewhere

Unless of course Girdwood is the finale which I doubt somehow...

SO! We are only missing three?? :jumpy:  Does this work?


Oh yes--I still believe we will have TBC's...  maybe 13 episodes and 11 locations??

If we don't have at least 2 TBC's--we would be out of teams by Girdwood!!   :o




Hey--I didn't think we were telling puddin's find yet!  :o

And I tried it that way too Chateau--but I couldn't make sense of the LONG time from 7/13 arr Ouagadougou to 7/19 arrive Dubrovnik--that would be one extended pitstop for sure!


Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on October 24, 2007, 09:11:00 AM
Since everyone else is offering theirs, I feel obligated to offer mine with some rationale:

1. Chateau is right. The idea of going to Lithuania from Amsterdam now makes sense to me. I had a Rest Day in between Amsterdam and CDG becasue we thought there were 2 legs before LAX. With them gone, a Rest Day after the second leg makes no sense. Lithuania fits on that one set of flights, so why not? The only problem with this is that the timing in Amsterdam is short. They arrive, have 12 hours of tasks, a normal pitstop, then leave. This is incredibly tight(which is ahy I dismissed it weeks ago), but it is technically feasible.

2. Peach is totally correct. There has to be something between Ouagadougou and Dubrovnik. There is 4 days between the pitstop release and probable arrival.

3. There will need to be 2 legs between Dubrovnik and Osaka. I have delineated the countries in which it has to occur in a separate post.

4. Kogs is correct in that Taiwan is the last Asian leg due to the nonstop flight CI12 from Taipei to Anchorage on July 29. Teams will almost surely fly to Taipei from Osaka.

5. Girdwood will be a separate leg this time, regardless of what has happened in the past.

6. I absolutely agree with Peach that this is probably the fastest Amazing Race ever, in 25 days.

Here is what it looks like:

1. 8th LAX to DUB

2. 10 DUB to AMS

3. 11 AMS to VNO (Vilnius, Lithuania)

4. 13 VNO to CDG, CDG to OUA (Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso)

5. 15 OUA to ?

6. 18 ? to DBV

7. 20 DBV to ?

8. 23 ? to ?

9. 25 ? to KIX (Osaka)

10. 27 KIX to TPE (Taipei)

11. 29 TPE to ANC

12. Aug. 1 ANC to Final City USA(may actually depart late evening July 31)

Now, I would have leg 11 be a TBC since there are no non-elims anymore. That would solve the problem of having one leg too many for the number of teams.

I will be issuing a flight information version of this in Timetables as quickly as I can enter it there.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Chateau d If on October 24, 2007, 10:47:51 AM
Quote
That sounds about right, except for Alaska. I doubt they would give Alaska a seperate leg. They haven't done that since season 1. There's probably a country we're still missing.

I see your point.  We're out of teams to eliminate!

Also, if "28 days" is accurate then we end on August 4th or 5th (depends on how you count:  number of days checked of on a calendar or number of days between start and end).  Either way there is a lot of time after Girdwood on July 29th.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 24, 2007, 10:54:35 AM
The 28 days has to be wrong! The teams/Goths were back on their myspaces on Aug 1st as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on October 24, 2007, 10:57:36 AM
The 28 days has to be wrong! The teams/Goths were back on their myspaces on Aug 1st as far as I can tell.

and is it 30,000 miles or 50,000???
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 24, 2007, 11:00:07 AM
The commercial says "30,000"
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on October 24, 2007, 11:04:22 AM
Chateau--I can absolutely tell you that the race finished BEFORE August 3--and as puddin said, we now have a lot of myspace log-ins on the 1st--so I think the race may have ended on the 30th or 31st.

And I thought the quote at the site was 50,000 miles (need to go check though) --but hey whatever--we know BVM's mileage counts are never very good! :lol:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Chateau d If on October 24, 2007, 11:05:12 AM
I agree.  They just grab numbers because that was what it was for some previous season.

Did you notice that the promo says they only go "30,000 miles"  :groan:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on October 24, 2007, 11:19:29 AM
There is a way to get to 28 days, not legitimate to you and me but apparently OK to CBS and World Race Productions. It is to count the lockdown as part of the race. There are typically 3 days of lockldown prior to the beginning of the race. Teams are sequestered and taken to the starting city without necessarily knowing where it is. They learn of the specific rules of this race and a variety of other useful things. It takes 3 days. 3 +25 = 28 days. It's possible that's how they rationalized it.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 24, 2007, 11:29:00 AM
The new press release
CBS announces the 11 Teams set to compete in THE AMAZING RACE 12.  The 11 Teams will travel approximately 30,000 miles, covering five countries never before visited on the Race, including Ireland, Lithuania and Croatia.  The five-time Emmy Award-winning reality adventure series premieres Sunday, Nov. 4 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. 
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on October 24, 2007, 11:30:24 AM
CBS site:

Quote
Traveling more than 50,000 miles and crossing multiple continents in 28 days, the Teams are in a fierce race to the finish first for a shot at the million dollar prize.





I'm not trusting them at all right now---their link to the site takes you to Season 1!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 24, 2007, 11:34:59 AM
So glad I started a timeline  (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13694.msg235391.html#new) topic *cough* *hint*

 :lol:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on October 24, 2007, 11:42:54 AM
Oops!  :lol: Do you want us in Timeline with our speculations too?

For some reason, I was thinking that was only for the absolutely-this is it- here we go and where is mswood Timelines?!

But I'm game--I can talk anywhere! :lol3: B:) :lol3:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 24, 2007, 11:51:05 AM
I think we have too many threads  :lol:!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kogs on October 24, 2007, 11:52:52 AM
I think we have too many threads  :lol:!

yeah think!!  :jam: :lol:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on October 24, 2007, 11:58:01 AM
Scratch my remarks on the Timelines--I see it says Timeline speculation!

And KEEP those threads--when all the newbies starting coming in with all the "I just love the Goths" and "I think so and so is SOOO Hot"--you are going to be really really glad to have somewhere where they can go!

We just need a day or two to settle down and see what will work best where...
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 24, 2007, 12:16:38 PM
I'll just lock the timeline speculation thread  :pull
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on October 24, 2007, 12:44:11 PM
Just wait! :lol: Let's see what works and doesn't over the next couple of days. A Timeline thread is a great idea!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 24, 2007, 02:45:39 PM
The photo ops of the teams were taken on 7/6 fwiw
But this picture was taken on 7/8

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on October 24, 2007, 02:51:14 PM
This cast looks so un-amazing raceish LOL

and WHY are there no meet the cast videos yet ?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: KingCrimson88 on October 24, 2007, 03:13:20 PM
Quote
KingCrimson, I know you are  reading spoilers so not sure how you missed this one? Girdwood, Alaska is one of our best documented legs EVER. There is NO doubt about this leg

No, no, no, I meant Alaska won't be a seperate leg. Meaning Alaska will be part of the final leg. They travel to Alaska, do some tasks, and then go to the final city all in one leg, just as they did in season 2 and 9. 


Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on October 24, 2007, 03:21:01 PM
okay --now I see what you meant! Sorry--my mistake! :kissy:

I thought I had seen you over there! :waves:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Chateau d If on October 25, 2007, 10:48:23 AM
I am sticking with the proposed Race route that ends with Taipei, Osaka, Anchorage, final city.

Using the new information about when they were in Taipei (Friday July 27th 12 noon at the tower) I made dueling timelines that comapre the cases of Taipei being either before or after Osaka.

The deciding factor for me was the way the teams would have to spend 38 hours just lollygaging around in Teipei before moving on to Alaska.  YMMV   :lol:

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Chateau d If on October 25, 2007, 10:48:46 AM
Here are the flights:

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on October 25, 2007, 12:51:52 PM
CHATEAU, you are saying that teams will fly from Taipei to Oaska so they can fly back from Osaka to Taipei to catch the 29th nonstop to Anchorage? I don't find that credible. Here are a few reasons:

1. Teams are likely to be tired from the excess wear of the relentless preceding travel (see Speculative Timelines thread for some appreciation of that) and need an additional 24 hour pitstop adding on to the normal 12 hours. That would cut down your "excess" to 14 hours.

2. Taipei 101 is almost certainly not the only task to be done in Taipei. My original flight schedule for leading teams had them arriving from Osaka at 1220 on July 27, but it would have been at 2155 on July 26 since they were spotted around noon on what probably was the 27th. After Taipei 101, there would be several other tasks on Taiwan lasting until sometime that evening. Add in a 36 hour extended pitstop and your are late morning July 29. Just enough time to get to Chiang Kai Shek airport(including lagging teams) and comfortably make the 1715 flight to Anchorage.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kiwi Jay on October 25, 2007, 01:05:52 PM
This cast looks so un-amazing raceish LOL

and WHY are there no meet the cast videos yet ?

what do you mean, I love them!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on October 26, 2007, 04:36:12 PM
I guess it's just weird for me to finally see new teams. The last race was TAR All Stars so it was all familiar faces.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: Kiwi Jay on October 26, 2007, 05:35:50 PM
Same a few months ago I was waitng for the Amazing Race 12 because I wanted to get back to basics on new teams!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on October 27, 2007, 05:03:00 PM
Something along the lines that some of us were thinking --


October 30, 2007
 
Amazing Race 12

It is that time again......... Amazing Race 12 kick off Nov 4 on CBS from the Playboy Mansion. Both Victoria and my self were at the starting line. B:) B:) :res:

Team Picks

I am going to love this season because it is so dam colorful. I need to go out with my teams picks and this season I am picking my top three not necessary in any order. Jennifer & Nathan , Lorena & Jason, Rachel & TK and Nicolas & Donald is my wild card pick. See you all at the staring line. Amazing Race 12 CBS Nov 4 8 pm .


http://www.jonathanbakerandvictoriafuller.com/
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: swimmer12 on October 27, 2007, 07:25:52 PM
What is the competition for the amazing race this season in its time slot?

And for some reason this preview for the all stars http://youtube.com/watch?v=vNOkqunE7n8 looks so much more intense then the preview of this season. it should still be awesome though but i do miss the beauty queens and charla and mirna terribly.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: michael on October 27, 2007, 07:32:44 PM
Dustin and Kandice --  :'(
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on October 29, 2007, 02:39:20 PM
I am back to the question of which cities are most likely to be the UNKNOWN one between Vilnius and Osaka. I have thought deeply about this and I believe that geography was decisive in the choice that Bertram van Munster and Elise Doganieri made on the AR12 race route. Vilnius is above the 54th parellel and Osaka is on the 35th parellel. I think they would have chosen cities that do not go much below the 35th parellel for minimum flight times in a short, quick race. That means that all of the southern cities on my list shown above would not have made the cut. In fact, the only cities that would make the cut are:

Moscow(56th parellel)
Beijing(40th parellel)
Shanghai(31st parellel)
Ulan Bator (48th parellel, but I really doubt that they went back there so quickly)

In mid-summer, all of these are nice places to visit. I personally feel that Shanghai has an edge over the other two. From a flights perspective all have good flight connections from Vilnius, although Moscow has the best by far. All have good connections to Osaka, although Beijing and Shanghai are much better than Moscow(no surprise if you look at the distance). 
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: mushpants on October 30, 2007, 12:36:17 PM
Christina kind of pushes Kate & Pat onto the mat, Ronald & Christina finish ahead of them
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on October 30, 2007, 03:39:19 PM
 
most of these might belong in EP2 but I'll post them here then we can move whatever we think its right --


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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: michael on October 30, 2007, 04:01:44 PM
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12520.0;attach=44511;image)
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12520.0;attach=44512;image)

pitstop?

and I'm getting sick of that Seal song LOL
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on October 30, 2007, 04:49:52 PM
Future most from EP2 moved the rest still open for debate






(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0183.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0184.jpg)  These look like season 9, lol

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0124.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0125.jpg)



(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0188.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0189.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0190.jpg)


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0169.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0170.jpg)





(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0180.jpg)


Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on October 30, 2007, 04:59:05 PM
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12520.0;attach=44511;image)
(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12520.0;attach=44512;image)

pitstop?

and I'm getting sick of that Seal song LOL
Oh yeah look at the Goths faces -- :hearts:
I'm sick of the quality of the videos but I'm sure we can find a better one soon enough.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on October 30, 2007, 05:33:25 PM
I think I missed these , does anyone know this?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0155.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0156.jpg)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: Boingo on October 30, 2007, 06:10:42 PM
I think I missed these , does anyone know this?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0155.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0156.jpg)

FWIW, I googled "Car Park Paypoint" and the only thing it returns are links to the Orio Airport near Milan.   :groan: :o ???    Huh?   :dick   Might be a "Euro" phrase.   :rotf:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on October 30, 2007, 07:30:44 PM
So the sisters are safe EP1!! just maybe ?? :jumpy:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on October 30, 2007, 07:33:22 PM
Well --no surprise--the bike scenes are located just behind Central Station Amsterdam by the canal where literally thousands of bikes park every day.

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on October 30, 2007, 07:49:49 PM
I'm thinking Connemara--maybe even the National Park? looks promising...

I think Ring of Kerry will be  too far south --they need to stay within easy reach of Shannon...
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: KingCrimson88 on October 30, 2007, 10:13:14 PM
If that Marianna/Julia pic is from episode 2, I think we have our episode one elimination - Ari/Staella.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on October 30, 2007, 10:21:00 PM
I think I missed these , does anyone know this?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0155.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/sub/30Oct0156.jpg)

lets see if we can get a match, this is thanks to bingobaby's video  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hda8qRJjx38) from EP1.

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on October 30, 2007, 10:24:54 PM
Clothes match

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/future/30Oct0011.jpg)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: down_with_alli on October 31, 2007, 12:02:32 AM
HELLO ALL!  :hearts:

Long time no speak. I've been so so busy with Uni etc. How are you all?

Anyways, this season looks friggin awesome!  :wohoo:

With the Episode 2 screencap of the pitstop with Nath/Jen and the Blondes, I think Nath/Jen are first and win a prize - hence one of the blondes clapping for them.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: Chateau d If on October 31, 2007, 12:02:49 AM
Puddin, this is Tom Bradley terminal at LAX.

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: Kiwi Jay on October 31, 2007, 12:13:25 AM
HELLO ALL!  :hearts:

Long time no speak. I've been so so busy with Uni etc. How are you all?

Anyways, this season looks friggin awesome!  :wohoo:

With the Episode 2 screencap of the pitstop with Nath/Jen and the Blondes, I think Nath/Jen are first and win a prize - hence one of the blondes clapping for them.

Thoughts?

Definitely but that means that Kate and Pat or Marianna and Julia will be out second my guess: Marianna and Julia!!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: tarbuckeye on October 31, 2007, 12:28:58 AM
Been lurking again.  The Car Park Pay Point is a fairly standard kiosk in Europe.  Either you pay your money and get a ticket (to be displayed on the dash) or you put your ticket in and then pay before you leave the Car Park (Parking Lot).  However, being in English, I would suspect that this is a shot from Shannon airport as they head to parking lot (or taxi stand).  I am amazed at you guys and all of the CSI work.  Way to Go!!!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: apskip on October 31, 2007, 07:53:46 AM
CAR PARK PAYPOINT is clearly in ENGLISH. This must be in Ireland, since english is not the native language anywhere after there until the race reaches Alaksa and Car Park Paypoint is not the type of phrase that would be used in Alaska. I am guessing that it is Shannnon airport or Dublin airport.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: bingo on October 31, 2007, 09:24:55 AM
The girls are in the Ireland Airport, they are in the same exact clothes, same exact position.  One girl has the jacket around her waste ect ect in the first promo of them running out of the airport.


But wasnt there a spoiler of two girls wearing those tight black pants, and thats eaxctly what Mariana and Julia are wearing, but idk i was really paying attention.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on October 31, 2007, 11:36:12 AM
The girls are in the Ireland Airport, they are in the same exact clothes, same exact position.  One girl has the jacket around her waste ect ect in the first promo of them running out of the airport.


But wasnt there a spoiler of two girls wearing those tight black pants, and thats eaxctly what Mariana and Julia are wearing, but idk i was really paying attention.
Tight pushup pants bingo and really when you think about it --it could be some other combination of girls seated together but I'm leaning towards Shana & Jennifer ... we shall see.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: bingo on October 31, 2007, 12:07:06 PM
The girls are in the Ireland Airport, they are in the same exact clothes, same exact position.  One girl has the jacket around her waste ect ect in the first promo of them running out of the airport.


But wasnt there a spoiler of two girls wearing those tight black pants, and thats eaxctly what Mariana and Julia are wearing, but idk i was really paying attention.
Tight pushup pants bingo and really when you think about it --it could be some other combination of girls seated together but I'm leaning towards Shana & Jennifer ... we shall see.

Lol i not really leaning but hopeing for the opposite.  There little "million dollar shopping spree" offically turned me off them!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: bingo on November 01, 2007, 04:37:23 PM
And also i am really feeling a Christina/Ronald win, with all the  "any team can win" hype. But who knows.

Serriously if they do win, the terrible casting will be made up for!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: michael on November 01, 2007, 04:40:39 PM
The tight black pants can also be Kynt and Vyxen --

I hope either Goths, or Rachel & TK win.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on November 01, 2007, 05:54:59 PM
Bringing this over from Media (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12682.msg236590.html#msg236590):

From this article:

BVM Interview with RealityTVworld (http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/the-amazing-race-producer-twelfth-edition-will-be-nail-biter-6023.php)

RE: Route:

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Ireland is one of five new countries The Amazing Race 12 filmed in, along with Croatia, Lithuania and two African countries with names that van Munster said most people can't pronounce.

"It's very exciting to go to new locations because we have gone to places where people have never seen a television camera or have never seen television," he explained.  "But these are the people we also have to work with.  So from a producer's perspective, it's more than exciting."


   okay...did someone think Burkina Faso was two countries or could this be legit? :rotf:

Re: Short course:

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The Amazing Race 12's course will span approximately 30,000 miles in 21 days, making it one of the shortest courses in the show's 12 seasons (The Amazing Race's Fall 2005 Family Edition, which included young children and their families as contestants, also spanned 30,000 miles).

"There was really no reason," explained van Munster about the competition's shorter-than-normal course.  "It was just the way the logic was laid out to go from which country to which country.  It just happened to be like this.  It's a very short Race in the sense it's 21 days -- still 30,000 miles in 21 days, which is a lot of traveling.  The heat is really on this."


21 days--could Alaska be our Final City after all??!!

Apskip responded :

PEACH, van Munster has been known to make serious geographic mistakes. However, I think we have to take him at his word on 2 African countries. That knocks out Florence, but it makes a lot of sense. Why go to Africa for just 2 days and fly right back? I believe that flying back to Florence after Dubrovnik is just not going to happen in this super-fast face course.

The other equally important implication is that July 29 - July 8 = 21 days. Girdwood or Anchorage is the FINISH LINE. There will be no traditional finish in the lower 48. Some year they will do the same in Hawaii.

and then I responded:

I agree with everything you are saying about why it makes sense to stay in Africa, apskip....But I still am questioning whether or not this could be a reporting error?

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Ireland is one of five new countries The Amazing Race 12 filmed in, along with Croatia, Lithuania and two African countries with names that van Munster said most people can't pronounce.


If we have five new countries: and we already have Ireland, Croatia, Lithuania, Burkina Faso, and Taiwan---how does that leave room for another African country?

I am just concerned that this quote is NOT quoting BVM directly, and I think it could possibly reflect a reporters misinterpretation of what was heard. I would have been more comfortable if it had been a direct quote from BVM instead. Someone not famililar with Burkina Faso could have possibly misinterpreted that as two countries. Since we don't know for sure, I guess we'll have to continue speculating at this point, IMO.

And I think with the new 21 day info that Alaska COULD be the Finale City although I want to review my source info closely. The area the tasks took place in is remote and I am having trouble visualizing ALL the teams appearing there awaiting the final run to the Mat. Not to say that they couldn't go back to Girdwood or even Anchorage though on the same day. So this will all require another close look from us!

And while this started out as a Media topic,  I may copy this over to Speculation as well for further discussion of all the possibilities.




and puddin wondered:


So if Florence doesn't fit into your schedule/timeline it is knocked out? Also why count July 8th as a day? Why can't they be back in the states on July 30th?

So --this is all pretty important!

What do the rest of you think??




Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on November 01, 2007, 06:59:53 PM
I think the only truly difficult-to-pronounce names of African countries besides Burkina Faso are Djibouti and Guinea-Bassau. However, van Munster's 65% rule would eliminate both of them even though it appears he has waffled on the 5 or maybe 6 new countries since Taiwan is a lock with Croatia, Lithuania and Ireland.
It is imposible to resolve when the data in conflicting.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on November 01, 2007, 07:31:50 PM
I don't trust BVM's math at all-- 65% or not --remember his mileage to Antarctica?? :lol3:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on November 01, 2007, 07:37:41 PM
Yes I do. That was the subject of one of the several letters I have sent to BVM whenever he makes a ludicrous geographic mistake in public. He has obviously made another mistake of some sort here, but which is the wrong information? Is it 65%? Is it 21 days? Is it 2 NEW African countries? Is it 5 new countries when apparently it should be 6? Who knows? I wish we had a way of obtaining a reconciliation quickly, but I don't know how to do so. Also, you won't be surprised to hear that I never received any response to any of my BVM letters.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: TARAsia Fan on November 01, 2007, 07:47:39 PM
He never responds. I've written him about TAR stuff as well. I think he puts his letters in the forget file.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on November 01, 2007, 08:12:50 PM
OK, here goes a big-time important speculation, based on my knowledge of the geography of Burkina Faso, the air routes in West Africa, and the land routes and discounting the fact that this place is quite pronounceable:

Niamey, capital of NIGER

Why?
1. Because you can drive there from Dourtenga quite easily.
2. Because it is relatively easy to fly out of Niamey.

Here are two flights out on July 17:
AF731/1418 connecting through Paris-CDG to Frankfurt deaprting NIM 2350 arriving FRA 0900 +1 in time for multiple connections to DBV including OU419 depart FRA 1210 arrive DBV 1355

AT546/810 connecting through Casablanca to Frankfurt departing NIM 0245 arriving
FRA 1345 (note that flight times are slightly different for July 18) then getting later connection at 1800 through Zagreb arriving DBV 2225
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on November 01, 2007, 08:30:49 PM
Wonder if the reporter would have any insight into this? I'd be willing to contact him/her if we thought it would do any good...
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: mswood on November 01, 2007, 08:48:59 PM
The tight black pants can also be Kynt and Vyxen --

I hope either Goths, or Rachel & TK win.
I hope you are right Michael.

Wait, did I just type that....
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: michael on November 01, 2007, 08:55:21 PM
 :lol:
i take offense to that
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2007, 08:56:44 PM
The tight black pants can also be Kynt and Vyxen --

I hope either Goths, or Rachel & TK win.
I hope you are right Michael.

Wait, did I just type that....



No it was said that the girls had tight pants, its all in the first post this thread.

*There was at least one team that was “goth.” They had either dyed their hair pink or were wearing a wig.
 *Several of the teams were not quite dressed appropriately to handle the heat or the cultural requirements, so it will be interesting to see what they do (there was a goth team and the guy was wearing white face paint!).
*there were the girls who were wearing tight warm-up pants…very shocking to the conservative Burkinabe culture where women wear skirts and dresses that go below the knee in public.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on November 02, 2007, 09:34:43 AM
I have a hypothesis about how Florence fits into AR12:

Sequester Point for Elimination Station

It is fairly central to Ireland, Amsterdam, West Africa, Dubrovnik and even Vilnius.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: georgiapeach on November 02, 2007, 10:39:47 AM
When have we ever gotten promo Vidcaps for Sequester though? I am more willing to think the article is incorrect thsn I am to believe that....
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: puddin on November 02, 2007, 02:23:18 PM
Bringing this over from Media (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12682.msg236590.html#msg236590):

From this article:

BVM Interview with RealityTVworld (http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/the-amazing-race-producer-twelfth-edition-will-be-nail-biter-6023.php)

RE: Route:
Ireland is one of five new countries The Amazing Race 12 filmed in, along with Croatia, Lithuania and two African countries with names that van Munster said most people can't pronounce.


Ireland is one of five new countries The Amazing Race 12 filmed in, along with Croatia, Lithuania and two African countries with names that van Munster said most people can't pronounce.



Since this is the speculation thread I'll take a chance and predict Dourtenga is BVM's so called second "country" in African.
Slowhatch-- (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13733.msg235968.html#msg235968) Dourtenga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Burkina-faso-dourtenga.jpg), southeast of Ouagadougou.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Speculation Thread
Post by: apskip on November 02, 2007, 02:57:04 PM
puddin, it is possible that you may be right. However, van Munster is certain to know the difference between a small area of Burkina Faso and an entire country.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: the_headcrusher on November 05, 2007, 12:05:02 AM
Am I a bad person if I want to see the teams go to Niger? More specifically I want to see a few of the teams mispronounce it.....yes I am going to hell  :(
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: TKM809 on November 09, 2007, 01:44:43 PM
where can i read the boot list  do we have one on here do we know the finale 3 teams yet? just asking ? sorry if  i ask  in the  post 



thank you   :kissy:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: KingCrimson88 on November 09, 2007, 06:16:57 PM
There is no bootlist this season.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on November 09, 2007, 06:25:03 PM
where can i read the boot list  do we have one on here do we know the finale 3 teams yet? just asking ? sorry if  i ask  in the  post 



thank you   :kissy:

No "bootlist" --but you can refer to page one of this thread for puddin's excellent summary of what we do know so far. And it is Updated often--so keep checking!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: north09 on November 10, 2007, 12:37:28 PM
we do have a (sort of) list of the final 6 or 7. Not really a boot list, but...
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on November 10, 2007, 12:59:33 PM
All of which can be found in puddin's  page one summary!  ;)

Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: apskip on November 11, 2007, 10:06:32 PM
Two different individuals at SUCKS have stated that the finish of AR12 is between Marianna and Julia and Ronald and Christina and that the women win. That is the first finish spoiler I have seen.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 11, 2007, 10:14:46 PM
Two different individuals at SUCKS have stated that the finish of AR12 is between Marianna and Julia and Ronald and Christina and that the women win. That is the first finish spoiler I have seen.
And you believe these individuals because..? Link please.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: Kogs on November 11, 2007, 10:15:40 PM
Two different individuals at SUCKS have stated that the finish of AR12 is between Marianna and Julia and Ronald and Christina and that the women win. That is the first finish spoiler I have seen.

 :ythat: to what puddin said and can we have some linkage if possible
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on November 11, 2007, 10:19:13 PM
No no no impossbile - the blondes or the goths win -- im getting a vibe!
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 11, 2007, 10:24:15 PM
No no no impossbile - the blondes or the goths win -- im getting a vibe!
You and your blondes and that penis thing  :lol:! Michael-- the sisters are so much hotter than the blondes! Open your eyes not your  :-[ --get past the fake blondes!  :rotf:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on November 11, 2007, 10:26:11 PM
 :groan:
blonde hair is my kryptonite!
you can put a blonde wig on a pillow and i'd find it hot

BUT i do agree now that after the 2nd episode the sisters are hellahot
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 11, 2007, 10:35:12 PM
:groan:
blonde hair is my kryptonite!
you can put a blonde wig on a pillow and i'd find it hot

BUT i do agree now that after the 2nd episode the sisters are hellahot
Well at least Shana got that facial that she needed, lol.
You know I love ya Michael  :hearts:

So where are those posts at sucks apskip? they are not in the spoilers over there and no one is talking about them in the spoilers.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on November 11, 2007, 10:37:10 PM
Quote
Well at least Shana got that facial that she needed, lol.

LMFAO  :lol3: :jumpy:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: stayhungry on November 11, 2007, 11:09:08 PM
Just checking...is there an oficial spoiler list out there yet like last years race??
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: stayhungry on November 11, 2007, 11:09:40 PM
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Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on November 11, 2007, 11:13:19 PM
Welcome to the forum stayhungry.

You can catch up on what is known so far by reading the spoiler summary starting  HERE  (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12520.0.html).
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: TARAsia Fan on November 11, 2007, 11:53:56 PM
No no no impossbile - the blondes or the goths win -- im getting a vibe!
You and your blondes and that penis thing  :lol:! Michael-- the sisters are so much hotter than the blondes! Open your eyes not your  :-[ --get past the fake blondes!  :rotf:
I'm going to agree with this. Marianna/Julia look so much better than Shana/Jennifer. Plus, Marianna can pole vault with the best of them!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: TARAsia Fan on November 11, 2007, 11:56:20 PM
Two different individuals at SUCKS have stated that the finish of AR12 is between Marianna and Julia and Ronald and Christina and that the women win. That is the first finish spoiler I have seen.
Based on what we heard from the Taipei source, I'm thinking (just me now, not official) that Ronald/Christina are out before the final leg. I'd love nothing more than Marianna/Julia to win, but I don't know how solid that is.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 12, 2007, 12:39:41 AM
Two different individuals at SUCKS have stated that the finish of AR12 is between Marianna and Julia and Ronald and Christina and that the women win. That is the first finish spoiler I have seen.

OMG this is a freaking joke apskips! they are messing around wiith a newbie NOT a spoiler  :lol:!
Question (No spoilers please though)  (http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/19604)

Quote
I'm just curious as to HOW spoiled this season is? Because sometimes the way people say things in a topic... "Oh they seem like they're doing badly now but for some random reason I think they could hit their stride and start kicking ass!" It makes it seem spoilerish and that kinda stuff really sucks, ya know? The TAR forum is one of the best forums here as far as spoiler avoidance and people being polite with them, so, if any of you guys are doing the "spoiled speculation" thing, it'd be appreciated if it stopped. =) (Look at what happened with the ANTM thread. Awful.) Of course if there aren't many spoilers for this season then there's no need for any fear hence my first question. 
Quote
Spoilers say Marianna and Julia win.
 
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A reliable source of mine says Marianna and Julia wins, beating out Ronald and Christina in a very close race.


P.S. Sorry for the shitty season. 

nomii
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i heard that mariano and julia win too from a very reliable source.
 

Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on November 12, 2007, 12:46:38 AM
I heard that Phil explodes and turns into a giant lizard and eats the teams at the finish line from a VERY reliable source!
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 12, 2007, 12:54:06 AM
I heard that Phil explodes and turns into a giant lizard and eats the teams at the finish line from a VERY reliable source!
:lol:

And I heard that Grandpa had a mudball in his undies and something was jiggling down there  :o
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: Chateau d If on November 12, 2007, 01:00:07 AM
Probably just an eel.   B:)
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 12, 2007, 01:14:56 AM
Probably just an eel.   B:)
  OMG now I have a visual and I'll have nightmares! Thanks a lot Chateau  :lol:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: michael on November 12, 2007, 01:43:10 AM
I swear to god there better be a goth or f/f team winner this year.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: mushpants on November 12, 2007, 07:30:07 AM
Leg 1
Eliminated: Ari & Staella

Leg 2
Eliminated: Kate & Pat

Leg 3 (Burkina Faso)
Eliminated: Lorena & Jason
Lorena & Jason arent spotted in Croatia or Taiwen, TK & Rachel are mistaken for Lorena & Jason. They also do crap in preview.

Leg 4 (Croatia)
Eliminated: Shana & Jennifer
There were at least 2 female teams, one has to go!

Leg 5 (Lithuania)
Eliminated: Nicholas & Donald
NO REASON

Leg 6 (Italy)
Eliminated: Marianna & Julia
I they go out it doesnt fit

Leg 7 (Japan)
Eliminated: Ronald & Christina
Ronald & Christina dont make it to Taiwen
Leg 8 (Taiwen)
Eliminated: Azaria & Hendekea

Leg 8 (Alaska)
Nathan & Jennifer, TK & Rachel, Kynt & Vyxsin.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on November 12, 2007, 07:46:24 AM
mushpants:

You have been asked several times to keep your speculation in the speculation thread and to not post speculation lists in spoilers.

What else can we say to you?  :groan:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: Chateau d If on November 12, 2007, 08:53:59 AM
Just re-watch TAR4 when they were in Amsterdam and had to grab the eels to get a clue.

 :rotf:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: Kogs on November 12, 2007, 09:19:42 AM
Just re-watch TAR4 when they were in Amsterdam and had to grab the eels to get a clue.

 :rotf:

jon and kelly ruled that episode.
kelly: "john what does it feel like?"
John: "it feels like a smooth penis"
kelly: " i want to touch it"
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: mushpants on November 12, 2007, 09:19:43 AM
Georgia peach:
What's page 1 about then???
In fact what's the difference between spoilers and speculation?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: Kogs on November 12, 2007, 09:20:54 AM
Georgia peach:
What's page 1 about then???
In fact what's the difference between spoilers and speculation?


this thread is for SPOILERS NOT speculation.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: mushpants on November 12, 2007, 09:22:36 AM
to george peach
whats puddin put on page 1 then
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: bingo on November 12, 2007, 09:32:12 AM
Those would be spoilers =)

I have a quick ques.  I thought i was going bonkers, but the someone posted something on sucks of two girls running in Croatia and the picture of them was from the back [so you only saw the back of there heads] and i could have sworn seeing this too.  Is it a picture or just like  a pic of production or something.  Or am i just insane?
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: TARAsia Fan on November 12, 2007, 10:38:55 AM
I heard from a very reliable source that a team will be eliminated in episode 3.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 12, 2007, 11:15:53 AM
Those would be spoilers =)

I have a quick ques.  I thought i was going bonkers, but the someone posted something on sucks of two girls running in Croatia and the picture of them was from the back [so you only saw the back of there heads] and i could have sworn seeing this too.  Is it a picture or just like  a pic of production or something.  Or am i just insane?
This picture? it came from this forum thanks to Slowhatch, its TK & Rachel.

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12520.0;attach=44259;image)
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: bingo on November 12, 2007, 12:14:06 PM
Those would be spoilers =)

I have a quick ques.  I thought i was going bonkers, but the someone posted something on sucks of two girls running in Croatia and the picture of them was from the back [so you only saw the back of there heads] and i could have sworn seeing this too.  Is it a picture or just like  a pic of production or something.  Or am i just insane?
This picture? it came from this forum thanks to Slowhatch, its TK & Rachel.

(http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12520.0;attach=44259;image)

For my sake i am going to say yes thats the picture.  But i thought there was one with two girls and backpacks on. I am going bonkers!
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on November 12, 2007, 12:30:04 PM
I think the picture you are talking about ended up being from TARasia  -- the girls had blue/black backpacks o right?
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 12, 2007, 12:56:33 PM
If you saw it at sucks bingo then maybe you should ask them because really I'm not going to spend my time running around trying to figure out what your're talking about.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on November 12, 2007, 12:59:52 PM
oops i thought bingo was boingo
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 12, 2007, 01:01:56 PM
oops i thought bingo was boingo
:o Do not insult the greatness of Boingo!!  :meow:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on November 12, 2007, 01:04:53 PM
 :pull
i blame the fact that i went to bed at 4 and woke up at 7
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: retard boi on November 12, 2007, 11:30:21 PM
are we sure hat there was a female/female team in Croatia? it seems like a folkstale to me, we have proves for all the other 5 teams but  them.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on November 12, 2007, 11:43:32 PM
are we sure hat there was a female/female team in Croatia? it seems like a folkstale to me, we have proves for all the other 5 teams but  them.

We don't have picture proof but rather an eyewitness named Eilan who has shared her wonderful pictures with us as well as details, and no she did not mistake the Goths for a F/F team because I just know someone is going to ask.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: retard boi on November 12, 2007, 11:53:48 PM
the thing that seem strange to me is the fact that she can't tell if it's the sisters or the blonds.
there not ever look similar enough to wonder it two small Latino girl verses a overdressed bleached women that looks like pinky and the brain.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: bingo on November 13, 2007, 08:33:32 AM
the thing that seem strange to me is the fact that she can't tell if it's the sisters or the blonds.
there not ever look similar enough to wonder it two small Latino girl verses a overdressed bleached women that looks like pinky and the brain.




Maybe the person wants to keep us surprised.  Cause you know this is going to happen, the g/g team thats not in Croatia will be eliminated in 8th place right before =)  Just to keep us guessing!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: mushpants on November 13, 2007, 10:35:28 AM
maybe someones a decoy
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on November 13, 2007, 10:50:56 AM
maybe someones a decoy
For God's sakes they  :groan: ! Buh bye now  :waves:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: TARAsia Fan on November 13, 2007, 11:53:31 AM
Mushpants is a yogurthead.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 13, 2007, 11:50:54 PM
thanks to poster timmy (http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/15119?page=15) at sucks for the lead --spoiler or not?


I SWEAR I SAW THIS BEING TAPED (spoilers)   
  by curlyQ379-1   (Wed Oct 24 2007 09:28:55) 
 
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This past summer my family and I traveled to Anchorage, Alaska for a cruise. My brothers and I were just sitting on a street corner when out of nowhere two men come running up and dodge traffic in the street. They were followed by a guy holding a camera and another guy holding a sound mic pole. They ran and jumped into a taxi and left.
On wikipedia, it says filming took place in July and early August. The incident above was in the last few days of July. I was thinking that, if this was the show, Alaska could have been the stop before the finals. (You know how they always have a stop near or in the US before the final destination) I noticed that one guy was young, the other old....so I am thinking that its the Grandson/Grandfather team. If it is, then they make it pretty far in the race. What do you think?

IMDB  (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0285335/board/thread/88262574?d=88262574&p=1#88262574)

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Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: datbitchin11 on November 14, 2007, 12:05:41 AM
hat to bring this up, but sadly
i think the one f/f team in Croatia spoiler is false
i really hope im wrong but all it says is just a f/f team was there
but both remaining f/f teams have been getting little screen time
especially marianna and julia
but just a thought
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 14, 2007, 01:10:57 AM
hat to bring this up, but sadly
i think the one f/f team in Croatia spoiler is false
i really hope im wrong but all it says is just a f/f team was there
but both remaining f/f teams have been getting little screen time
especially marianna and julia
but just a thought

Umm sorry but we have an eyewitness that stated they saw the F/F team in Dubrovnik and she has nothing to gain by sharing this info with us which she so kindly did -- so calling her sighting "false" is calling her a liar so please think before you post in the future datbitchin1.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: bingo on November 14, 2007, 08:54:59 AM
Well b/c this is spec the spoiler said six or seven teams.  So my guess is that the female/female team is the sixth team, and there is not 7th team [TK and Rachel being the young couple possibly bro/sis].   Actually this is just kind of hope because i want to see both Lorena/Jason, and Jen/Nate eliminated ASAP!
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on November 14, 2007, 09:02:32 AM
Bingo--the comment about the possible dating or brother sister team was in ref to TK/Rachel. I have reviewed all my communication about this and it is not 100% clear as to whether there were 6 or 7 teams. Our source was not able to see all the teams all the time of course--and in some cases was too far away to be sure of exactly who was there. But a F/F was clearly mentioned. So we still have some things to figure out--either 6 or 7 teams remain possible from what we know right now.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: bingo on November 14, 2007, 06:47:56 PM
Bingo--the comment about the possible dating or brother sister team was in ref to TK/Rachel. I have reviewed all my communication about this and it is not 100% clear as to whether there were 6 or 7 teams. Our source was not able to see all the teams all the time of course--and in some cases was too far away to be sure of exactly who was there. But a F/F was clearly mentioned. So we still have some things to figure out--either 6 or 7 teams remain possible from what we know right now.

ill just keep my fingers crossed that both Nate/Jen and Lorena/Jason are out!
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: datbitchin11 on November 14, 2007, 07:18:28 PM
look
im sorry if it seemed i like i called her a liar
but theres actual no proof that a f/f team made it
not saying there wont be
but just a thought
its called the speculation board
 ???
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on November 14, 2007, 07:27:27 PM
well the
proof would
be the eye witness
report now
wouldnt it?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: claude_24hrs on November 21, 2007, 10:27:46 PM
Puddin posted back in September 15: Link: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12520.msg232439.html#msg232439 (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12520.msg232439.html#msg232439)

The final 6 will be spotted in Croatia:

1. Ron/Chris
2. Kynt/Vyxsin
3. Nick/Donald
4. Azaria/Hendekea
5 and 6 are unknown of those pics


Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on November 21, 2007, 10:44:38 PM
Thats right Claude but since then we've had a eyewitness (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12520.msg232529.html#msg232529) with photo evidence of TK/Rachel (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12520.msg234077.html#msg234077) and reports a team that consists of 2 females as well.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: claude_24hrs on November 22, 2007, 01:30:35 AM
Thats right Claude but since then we've had a eyewitness (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12520.msg232529.html#msg232529) with photo evidence of TK/Rachel (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12520.msg234077.html#msg234077) and reports a team that consists of 2 females as well.

Survivor Sucks posted that the F/F team are not LA Blondes.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: apskip on November 22, 2007, 06:50:58 AM
That's a good one, Claude because the individual on Survivor Sucks who said that was you:

Apprentice Talker: Shana/Jennifer will be eliminated in following episode (11/25), Thus, they can not make it to Croatia.
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SFC wrote: Where is your proof?
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Greenraven(Sucks moderator) wrote:

Awwww, just leave poor little Claude (Apprentice Talker) alone about silly stuff like "proof" and such. He, like the earth, is "mostly harmless." He is always getting some newbie to bite on his off the wall stuff. Next thing Hobart, Tasmania will pop back up as a spoiler location again. Or Beirut. Kind of a weird tradition here every Sucks TAR season. Board wouldn't be the same without him.

So here is hoping the blondies go out in Croatia.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: Chateau d If on November 22, 2007, 10:24:53 AM
What if female/female = Goths by the error we all made at the beginning.   :lol:

At least I made that error.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 22, 2007, 10:33:34 AM
What if female/female = Goths by the error we all made at the beginning.   :lol:

At least I made that error.
No Chateau  :lol:! I believe our witness said she saw a check in sheet while she was watching Rachel & TK do the zipline task and she saw the Goths were already checked off as in checked in for doing the Detour task as well as the other 2 teams in the lead with them. I don't remember the exact words she used but I bet peach does.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: north09 on November 22, 2007, 01:06:05 PM
So I was doing flight research, and I found that the only flight flying out/in to the Dubrovnik airport close to Florence wouldf be from Rome. However, there is one that flys directly in/out of Vilinius to Dubrovnik. I would say that it goes...

Africa/Africa - Elim. 7 Teams Remain
Africa/Lithuania - Elim. 6 Teams Remain
Lithuania/Croatia - Elim. 5 Teams Remain
Croatia/Italy - TBC. 5 Teams Remain
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: apskip on November 22, 2007, 03:49:39 PM
north09, I want to see the flight numbers and times for your connections from Vilnius to Dubrovnik for July 19, which was a Thursday. I question the validity of your statement because I have run all possible connections and they just can't get to Dubrovnik in the morning as required for the actual sightings. So please provide the proof.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: claude_24hrs on November 22, 2007, 11:36:14 PM
Wait, the 7 remaining teams will arrive in Lithuania (might be TBC), then they will go to Italy and might be an elimination round, after they will leave in Italy, the 6 remaining teams will go to Croatia.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: apskip on November 23, 2007, 08:50:47 AM
Wait, the 7 remaining teams will arrive in Lithuania (might be TBC), then they will go to Italy and might be an elimination round, after they will leave in Italy, the 6 remaining teams will go to Croatia.
OK, Claude, I will ask you to do the same thing. Prove it with actual flight numbers and flight times and connecting cities. The leading teams have to arrive in Dubrovnik by the morning of July 19. The only way they can do that is to overnight in Zagreb airport and, working backwards, that mean departure from Florence late afternoon of July 18. The earliest teams can arrive in Vilnius is 235pm on July 16. To do the large group of tasks that we know are scheduled there, it will require until the morning of July 17. If there is a pitstop in Vilnius, your concept is dead in the water right there unless there is then a TBC in Florence. If Vilnius is a TBC, then it is barely possible that they can get to Florence and do all tasks by 5am on July 18. If we turn it around and have the travel from Vilnius to Florence, is there time for tasks, a TBC and departure by 5pm? I'm from Missouri figuratively; SHOW ME! Here at RFF we don't just accept anybody's word. We like to see the details of the proof. Provide it and we'll listen to your ideas.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: north09 on November 23, 2007, 05:25:07 PM
lol no i was just speculating, I wasn't actually saying that was how it went. I knew you would check the times and stuff, I have no idea how to do that.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: huholah on November 26, 2007, 12:46:14 AM
GUYS I HAVE A HUGE SPOILER....Some random guy uploaded on wikipedia about the elimination order.....OMG...and I fully believe it....can someone give me their email? I'll send them the screenshot of it so they can upload it for the public....
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: huholah on November 26, 2007, 12:48:49 AM
here

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Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2007, 12:56:10 AM
Wiki is not a good source for spoilers huholah, anyone can edit including you and me :yaya:
I'll bet you 1000$ that Nic & Donald (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12520.0.html) aren't eliminated in Lithuania as in EP5  :yess:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2007, 01:01:58 AM
Sorry Huholah--we KNOW they don't go out in Lithuania...someone was just playing I guess...
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: Chateau d If on November 26, 2007, 01:26:06 AM
Unless Lithuania is a TBC   :o :o
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2007, 01:39:29 AM
Unless Lithuania is a TBC   :o :o
:lol3:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2007, 02:01:22 AM
Don't laugh puddin--I thought of that too but couldn't bear to think of it...

We will have to have one somewhere!!
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2007, 02:04:59 AM
Read the supposed chart!! it has EP7-8 as the supposed TBC and look they did not even bother completing the Roadblocks performed for the future. It has lots of flaws ------
(http://i16.[banned image hosting site].com/80plekh.jpg)

eta: it is now fixed

(http://i11.[banned image hosting site].com/7x9b4a8.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2007, 08:00:14 PM
On the elimination video, Julia said that "there is only one more team to come" and that she hoped it wasn't Ron/Christine. That seems to confirm what we have believed for some time--there will be a final three, and teams who go out in fourth and fifth place may travel with production to be used as decoys.  I believe that that is exactly what they did for AllStars as well.

So--only five teams in that house!
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2007, 08:28:15 PM
That is how it worked on All-Stars peachs -- Bill & Joe ran with production and the 5 teams at sequester were~

John Vito & Jill
Kevin & Drew
Mary & David
Rob & Amber
Teri & Ian
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on November 26, 2007, 08:42:34 PM
 Bill and Joe had told me they were decoys and how much fun it was because they said they also got to do all the fun Roadblocks too without the pressure! So they enjoyed it a lot I think.  Glad that the 4th and 5th teams will still get to go on, even if it is not exactly like they wanted.
Title: Re: Insider Vids for Week 4 Phils now complete mines elimination station page 4
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2007, 11:56:46 PM
I thought Phil told them that --brb  :cmaslol

Phil " now, there are 11 legs in this race, at the end of each leg of the race there is a pitstop. 8 of these pitstops are elimination points,  so you need to get to them as fast as you can because if your last you WILL be eliminated .." ---" the first team to cross the finish line after 11 legs will win 1 million $$"

Title: Re: Insider Vids for Week 4 Phils now complete mines elimination station page 4
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2007, 12:09:35 AM
Thanks for the link!

Well, on the mat they talked about thinking it was a NEL and Phil distinctly never corrected that so they may STILL be waiting for one. :lol3: I just thought that they would have known but the racers (or just them) don't quite seem to have absorbed what Phil said.
Title: Re: Insider Vids for Week 4 Phils now complete mines elimination station page 4
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2007, 12:21:35 AM
That pretty much confirms no recrap episode peachs  :yess:
Title: Re: Insider Vids for Week 4 Phils now complete mines elimination station page 4
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2007, 12:50:48 AM
I was thinking with the writers strike that they may try to stretch this out and would give us a recap during the holidays?

What am I missing--why would that mean they might not throw one at us? I never mind staying with the race but who knows what CBS wants to do?

And I am reading that closer--11 legs, 11 pitstops. Only 8 elims. So one is the finale, but what if those last 2 ARE NEL's? Doesn't this kind of contradict what BVM said about no NEL's?  Because if we have a Pitstop at each leg, we really don't have a TBC do we? ???
Title: Re: Insider Vids for Week 4 Phils now complete mines elimination station page 4
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2007, 01:20:43 AM
There isn't a real pitstop at the end of a superleg, wheres mswood  :waves:?

or I'll just swipe from wiki~

'Superlegs'
Season 6 introduced the first double-length "superleg" shown over two episodes. The televised episode ended with a 'To Be Continued' message instead of a Pit Stop. The second half of the leg featured a second Detour and second Roadblock. Seasons 7, 8 and 9 each had a superleg with teams meeting Keoghan on the usual Pit Stop mat at the halfway point, only to have him hand them the next clue instead of checking them in. In Season 10, the superleg did not involve meeting Keoghan, but rather teams were informed to "KEEP RACING!!!" in their next route marker. In addition, the 2-hour finale of Season 8 took place over a superleg similar to Season 6's. Generally, the clues leading up to these longer legs are easy to identify because the teams will read a clue like "Go find Phil at the mat" instead of "Check into the next Pit Stop." While there was no set rest period between the two parts of these legs, there usually is some point for the teams to eat, rest and recover prior to the second set of tasks, either due to waiting for hours of operation with provided accommodations or a long train or plane ride.

"To Be Continued" legs appeared to be born out of sheer luck during Season 6. Leg 6 in Hungary was originally planned to be two legs, with a non-elimination point (with the stripping-of-all-cash rule in place) between the legs. However, the producers discovered during the race that begging is illegal in Hungary, which would have made it nearly impossible for the last place team to acquire the money needed for the upcoming leg, and quickly devised the extended leg to mimic the effects of a non-elimination leg (keeping the same number of teams in the race), and using a simple video message clue to provide teams the goal for the first task of the second half of the leg.
Title: Re: Insider Vids for Week 4 Phils now complete mines elimination station page 4
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2007, 01:40:47 AM
Hmmmm...so if there is a pitstop every time--then there can't be a TBC, right?

And if there aren't any TBC's, then we need at least 2 NEL's to make the numbers right.  Even if BVM said no NEL's--it has to be one or the other.
Title: Re: Insider Vids for Week 4 Phils now complete mines elimination station page 4
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2007, 01:53:10 AM
Hmmmm...so if there is a pitstop every time--then there can't be a TBC, right?

And if there aren't any TBC's, then we need at least 2 NEL's to make the numbers right.  Even if BVM said no NEL's--it has to be one or the other.
OK I need someone to explain this to peach  :cmas28, no Capricorns please!?

 :lol3:
Title: Re: Insider Vids for Week 4 Phils now complete mines elimination station page 4
Post by: georgiapeach on November 27, 2007, 02:01:03 AM
And let's wait till the sun is up! I was good till I got all confused tonight!  :pull

yeah--somebody besides the other half of my brain give it a go tomorrow in the morning! :cmas10
Title: Re: Insider Vids for Week 4 Phils now complete mines elimination station page 4
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2007, 02:03:30 AM
sorry to hi-jack your thread Kogs  :-[
So i was rewatching EP1 and thought it was interesting when Phil says "the first team to cross the finish line after 11 legs will win 1 million $$" the camara pans to the Blondes, then Donald/Nic, and last Rachel &TK  cheering & clapping , just thought it was interesting.
Title: Re: Insider Vids for Week 4 Phils now complete mines elimination station page 4
Post by: mswood on November 27, 2007, 01:51:11 PM
Based on this,if Phil isn't lying (and if this is stated to the racers, he shouldn't be).  Then when we were told they got rid of the non eliminations, what they actually meant was they got ride of the TBC. 

Now either would work withthe aired footage of Jason saying that they might still be in it (even if last).  But with mat footage of them mentioning it, I think we can now assume that unless the speed bump is some form of Save (say a way to skip the Mat and progress to the next clue) then we have to assume that we have two non elims and no TBC.
Title: Re: Insider Vids for Week 4 Phils now complete mines elimination station page 4
Post by: puddin on November 27, 2007, 02:27:28 PM
Damn it all to hell --cannot think outside the box! and they did drop 2 episodes the usual 13 is now 11. Now I must go read BVM interviews again  :cmas3

"The Amazing Race": The Emmy-winning reality show is not on the fall schedule and will return later. "The countries are very exotic," Littman says. "We're going to a couple of places that I don't even know where they are on the map. I've had to go look them up."

As for the teams? Lively.

"This is a tough group," Littman says. "They'll be younger. We still have a good balance."

The show will will do two fewer episdoes and drop the noneliminations to create more excitement.

link (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2007/07/cbs-party-offer.html)


Also adding to The Amazing Race 12's excitement level, according to van Munster, is the fact that the show has done away with non-elimination legs, a format change executive producer Jonathan Littman first revealed at the Television Critics Association summer press.

"The audience and ourselves, we're not crazy about non-eliminations," said van Munster.  "It's exciting to see people eliminated at the end of every episode."

Non-elimination legs have been part of The Amazing Race since the reality competition series first premiered in Fall 2001, and the show's fifth edition was the first in which teams were penalized for being the last to reach non-elimination Pit Stops.  Doing away with non-elimination legs means there will also be no more penalties, an aspect that van Munster said will also make The Amazing Race 12 more fast-paced.

The fact that a team will be eliminated at the end of every The Amazing Race 12 leg will also keep the contestants on their toes.
"For the contestants, the heat's on every step of the way," added van Munster.  "Every leg of the way the heat is on because they can be eliminated."



RTW (http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/the-amazing-race-producer-twelfth-edition-will-be-nail-biter-6023.php)
Title: Re: Insider Vids for Week 4 Phils now complete mines elimination station page 4
Post by: TARAsia Fan on November 27, 2007, 03:23:38 PM
I think BVM is throwing us off on purpose.  ??? ??? (:;) (:;) :cmas15 :cmas15
Title: Re: Insider Vids for Week 4 Phils now complete mines elimination station page 4
Post by: mswood on November 27, 2007, 03:24:10 PM
So then Phil stated it wrong and that they must still have the DBC (DBL) legs but no on eliminations.  

And when Phil stated 11 legs he actually meant 11 episodes, and while people do get saved by a dbl leg, it isn't like a non elimination save.
Title: Re: Insider Vids for Week 4 Phils now complete mines elimination station page 4
Post by: TARAsia Fan on November 27, 2007, 03:25:50 PM
You raise a good point, mswood. Ignore my post above yours.  :cmas3
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 28, 2007, 02:21:14 AM
One more time with the Croatia boats! Remember these came from 3 different sources~


(http://i15.[banned image hosting site].com/86e8yky.jpg) June 17th
Fat boat guy brings the first boat out to tie to the raft thingy
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/1a.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/1.jpg)

one by one
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/2.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/3.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/5.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/4.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/8.jpg)
(http://i8.[banned image hosting site].com/8aum521.jpg)
assumes Christina & Ron are out on their boat first or done with this detour task

mobeary at flickrs says: (http://flickr.com/photos/bleary/1513065156/)
We also talked to some people from England who didn't know what the show was, but told us they had seen two couples in row boats being videotaped. They weren't sure, but thought one couple (team) seemed to be doing well and the other (who they thought was male-female) was having a lot of difficulty. 

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/boatsagain.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on November 28, 2007, 02:35:31 AM
Why particularly Christina/Ron?

 Remember our source said it was the teams in the back of the pack who chose to row instead of climb.

I guess I always thought it would be Azaria/Hendekea cuz they were so late.

Chateau has this timed:

The shadow on this flotation barrel is as good as looking at a clock!

This shot was taken between 5:04 and 5:48 pm (assumes July 19th)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/chateau/1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 28, 2007, 10:38:36 AM
Quote
Why particularly Christina/Ron?

 Remember our source said it was the teams in the back of the pack who chose to row instead of climb.

I guess I always thought it would be Azaria/Hendekea cuz they were so late.

I thought she didn't see the first set of teams just the later teams? Maybe Chateau can redo the time on the raft?  See this is why I wanted this all in one thread  :cmas28

(http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/36819/2000685052758386859_rs.jpg)

This shot was taken between 12:29 and 12:37 pm (assumes July 19th)

For the late team (above) it looks like an elimination vantage shot to me!
(http://i12.[banned image hosting site].com/7wzyedl.jpg)

So now the shadow from the corner can give the time.

This shot was taken here between 12:38 and 12:51 pm (assumes July 19th)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/chateau/4.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/chateau/5.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 28, 2007, 01:14:31 PM
See-- it can't be the Siblings on the other boat that I have marked as #2 --they are just arriving to the Detour cluebox and Don/Nic have already zipped to the rafts. My guess was it was Ron/Christina that took the other boat but really it could have been one of the other earlier teams. I'll modify that picture later with a ? for the team that took boat #2.


Why particularly Christina/Ron?

 Remember our source said it was the teams in the back of the pack who chose to row instead of climb.

I guess I always thought it would be Azaria/Hendekea cuz they were so late.

Chateau has this timed:

The shadow on this flotation barrel is as good as looking at a clock!

This shot was taken between 5:04 and 5:48 pm (assumes July 19th)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/chateau/1-1.jpg)


Nice work Puddin n' Peach   :yess: :yess:

From your lead...

This shot was taken here from here between 5:58 and 6:10 pm (assumes July 19th)
(http://i8.[banned image hosting site].com/82b163b.jpg)
(http://i13.[banned image hosting site].com/8fa0uh1.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: patlini on November 29, 2007, 04:08:23 PM
Not too sure where to put this but I remember talk of Elise saying that they were affected by Monsoons in India this time around, I remember seeing a map from peach but I can't for the life of me find it.

anyways, I've looked at daily rainfall amounts from various stations around India for the 21st - 25th July.  This rules out the Northern part of India and definitely puts the southern part into play.

http://www.tropmet.res.in/~kolli/MOL/Monsoon/frameindex.html

Jodhur has hardly any rainfall that week

Stations that had rainfall over the average are:-

BHUVANESHWAR
HYDERABAD
BANGALORE
TRIVANDRUM
PATNA
LUCKNOW

Bhuvaneshwar and Trivandrum are the closest to a coastline  (searching for yogi)
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on November 29, 2007, 04:35:16 PM
Here you go Patlini--it was puddin's chart:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12521.msg237469.html#msg237469

But good job!
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: patlini on November 29, 2007, 08:02:42 PM
Here you go Patlini--it was puddin's chart:


sorry puddin.....
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 29, 2007, 08:07:06 PM
Here you go Patlini--it was puddin's chart:


sorry puddin.....
No problem patlini, I can't always remember who posted what, really its like where was that thing that whathisface posted? :cmas26
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: apskip on November 30, 2007, 05:11:03 PM
Peach,

I want to take a chance on explaining the TBC issue to you. You start with 11 legs. You believe the statement that there are no non-elim legs. You believe 8 elim legs and know that there will have to be one final leg with no eliminations involved. That leaves 2 legs unaccounted for. Those 2 legs have to be TBCs (or call them half of double legs if you want). They can't logically be anything else. 8 + 1 + 2 = 11.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2007, 06:37:45 PM
Gee...thanks. I was pretty tired that night!

I think the point is that what TPTB call a LEG can run over two episodes thanks to the TBC which then becomes  one "UBER LEG" which explains how they can say every leg has an elim.

Right? She's got It? By George! :happy:

But we need to be alert to the fact that one can turn up anytime now---so if we can't get the teams somewhere we think they should be---that could be why.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: apskip on November 30, 2007, 09:57:02 PM
Peach, actually it works the opposite. The TBC allows teams to keep going with no 12 hour delay and they can get further in that double leg than they could if it ended after the first part with a normal pitstop. But you knew that.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on November 30, 2007, 10:33:21 PM
And I thought I was saying that! heee.....I am going to quit this before I confuse the socks off the rest of you!

I've got it! :happy:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on November 30, 2007, 10:36:08 PM
And I thought I was saying that! heee.....I am going to quit this before I confuse the socks off the rest of you!

I've got it! :happy:
Good thing there are only 3 of us Capricorns here sharing a brain peach   :hearts:  :kisses
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on December 01, 2007, 05:32:22 PM
I suppose they wern't told that the non- elims no longer exist?

Lorena & Jason interview~

JC: I understand. What did you think of the U-Turn twist in general? Did you think it was fair? Did you think it was too early in the game to have a twist like that?

JW: I thought it was a little early. I definitely thought it was bad placement, because there was nothing there to equalize everybody. It would have been better...

LS: If we were all together.

JW: It was a definite deal breaker for us. It would have made more sense if it would have been a non-elimination leg.

LS: Yeah, if we then had to face them later it would have been more dramatic.

JW: That would have been much better, but they just didn't decide to do that. It just didn't make as much sense that way.

JC: Yeah, it almost seemed that this was going to be a non-elimination leg based on how positive Jason was. Did either of you think it was going to be a non-elimination leg?

LS: Yeah, we both thought that.

JW: I was just saying that it wasn't the fault of either of us, so you might as well not be negative about it because that wouldn't have worked. I was starting to enjoy myself and we had already put that much into it. But that's the race. You win some, and you lose some.

link (http://realitydish.insidepulse.com/articles/72249/2007/12/01/random-reality-josh-clinton-interviews-ithe-amazing-race-12is-jason-widener-and-lorena-segura.html)
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on December 01, 2007, 08:04:55 PM
The Blondes also stated in one of the Innertube videos/Mat chats  that they thought the 2nd Ouagadougou leg would be a NEL and Phil never corrected that--so I am pretty sure the racers didn't know.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: mswood on December 01, 2007, 08:30:23 PM
Well it all depends.  The racers might just consider the DBC legs to be non elimination legs.  Because that is the purpose they have served.  And to the racers, they really are almost identical.

After all each still has a huge period where teams are equalized (the shortest being 10 hours the longest being 2 days).

For the racers there is only really a few differences.

1.  No provided sleeping area, no provided food, not having to do the after Pit Stop interviews.
2.  And not getting credit for winning a leg.

#2 has always bothered me as a fan.  And I think Tyler (from season 10) said it best.  When he talked about how pissed off he was that all their work in that leg was wasted.  They get no credit from fans for what in all fairness is a full leg of events.  There isn't a prize or anything to win.  They could have taken their time, enjoyed the local scenery and still been in just as good a shape.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on December 04, 2007, 03:30:56 PM
Why particularly Christina/Ron?

 Remember our source said it was the teams in the back of the pack who chose to row instead of climb.

I guess I always thought it would be Azaria/Hendekea cuz they were so late.

Chateau has this timed:

The shadow on this flotation barrel is as good as looking at a clock!

This shot was taken between 5:04 and 5:48 pm (assumes July 19th)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/chateau/1-1.jpg)

 :cmas22 So maybe I was right the first time? Chris and Dad on the boat I have marked #2?  :mas25

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/04Dec0044.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/02Dec0058.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on December 04, 2007, 06:39:34 PM
You know--based on boat colors--I think Nich/Gramps  are in #2--see how it is still attached to #3?

I think the dark blue outside one is #1 and holds Nate/Jenny, so I agree they would be ahead of N/Don.

The puzzle now will be is Ron/Christina last? Of course, anything can happen on the water...
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on December 04, 2007, 06:44:28 PM
Here I'll repost this -- the only thing I can figure is that Nic/Don are reusing JeNathans boat  :lol3:

ETA: NO it doesn't look the same! The color of where the oars anchor to the boat is different! Maybe Nic/Don's boat is a completly different boat? Like production might have brought in a 7th boat just incase? just  B:) B:) outloud again.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/boats.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on December 04, 2007, 06:54:06 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/04Dec0044.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/04Dec0038.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/04Dec0037.jpg)(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/04Dec0035.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/boats-1.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/7-1.jpg)
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on December 04, 2007, 07:04:47 PM
(http://aycu34.webshots.com/image/35833/2001504106346343591_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001504106346343591)


(http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/37703/2003618964106476081_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003618964106476081)



Some of the color you are seeing is just a thin blue band and I don't think it is showing up well.

Still looks to me that Gramps is in boat 2 because that one is STILL ATTACHED to boat 3.

Nate/Jen in boat 1--dark blue outside.

Ron/Chris may be in #4 although colors hard to tell for sure--lots of white but the shot is grayed out. In any case, they would seem to be last.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on December 04, 2007, 07:06:21 PM
peach I say Ron and Christina are in boat 2, go look in the other thread puddin posted a good picture
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on December 04, 2007, 07:12:19 PM
 :groan: :umn:

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/amazingrace12/croatia/rc.jpg)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: dareme2 on December 10, 2007, 09:59:11 AM
Hi.  New to post - been reading the boards for several seasons now so sorry if I have this in the wrong spot.

Kynt's myspace has a pic of him with a "friend from Osaka Japan"  Possibly they are safe next leg and actually make it to Japan?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on December 10, 2007, 10:30:21 AM
Hi.  New to post - been reading the boards for several seasons now so sorry if I have this in the wrong spot.

Kynt's myspace has a pic of him with a "friend from Osaka Japan"  Possibly they are safe next leg and actually make it to Japan?

Yes Kynt has been to Osaka and no the photo's on his myspace are his personal pictures as in not new, not a spoiler  :xmas49
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 12:22:19 AM
 :cmas4 Since when do they have money to purchase books let alone read them? Running with production perhaps?

from Twops (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=2666383&view=findpost&p=9398783)
ErinntheRed

I was reading one of the interviews with Kynt and Vyxen and I think they may have let slip a spoiler. Vyxen said in one of the interviews that she's a Harry Potter fan. She bought the last book in an airport "while on the race." HP7 was released July 21st, so that means some time after that.
 
Heres the interview~ (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34682)

Vyxsin: We LOVE to attend Sci-Fi/Fantasy conventions whenever possible which should provide adequate Geek Credentials :) We love anime and the cosplay that it inspires. We especially enjoy Dragon*Con and the San Diego Comic Con. Kynt and I are HUGE fans of Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, X-Men, and Tim Burton films.
I love and obsess the most over the Harry Potter books and movies. I actually purchased the latest Potter book at an airport during the Amazing Race.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2007, 12:30:49 AM
That book weighs a ton! Assuming the English version was available world wide on July 21...I can't imagine she would have 1) spent race $$, and 2) carried it around IF they were still in the race at that point.  Which makes you think she wanted a book to read while running with production....

Oh dear... I so wanted them to get to Japan at least since Kynt loves it so!!  :cmas4
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: patlini on December 11, 2007, 08:08:22 AM
and that book was EXPENSIVE

like you say Peach, spending race $$$$, in some cases it was more than their bucks for a leg (esp the one with $0)  :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: Chateau d If on December 11, 2007, 01:36:43 PM
That book spoiler spells doom to me.   :cmas4
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on December 11, 2007, 01:53:25 PM
Well, she could still have bought it AFTER the book came out -- even if they are elimintaed before F3 the book would have still been in the airports so they might make it to Japan puddin.

This is the amazing thing about no concrete spoilers- - anything can happen!
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on December 11, 2007, 02:05:08 PM
And another thing is that a lot of countries cell the boot-legged version for a very cheap price so maybe she just bought it when she was the airport and there was a long flight //airport wait ahead.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 02:38:02 PM
And another thing is that a lot of countries cell the boot-legged version for a very cheap price so maybe she just bought it when she was the airport and there was a long flight //airport wait ahead.
Grasping? don't go all Beauty Queen on us Michael  :groan:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on December 11, 2007, 02:40:13 PM
LOL
well I'm just saying...
I don't think I can ever go all beauty queen again puddin ... that was just flat out obsessed.
...but i did watch some of TARAS last night and was still glad to see them come in 1st four times  :cmas9
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on December 11, 2007, 03:04:18 PM
Quote
LOL
well I'm just saying...
I don't think I can ever go all beauty queen again puddin ... that was just flat out obsessed.

 :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:  You don't say??!!

With age comes wisdom....
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: Kogs on December 11, 2007, 07:44:33 PM
LOL
well I'm just saying...
I don't think I can ever go all beauty queen again puddin ... that was just flat out obsessed.
...but i did watch some of TARAS last night and was still glad to see them come in 1st four times  :cmas9

i think your the kiss of death when rooting for certain teams  :cmaslol :cmaslol
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 07:48:59 PM
LOL
well I'm just saying...
I don't think I can ever go all beauty queen again puddin ... that was just flat out obsessed.
...but i did watch some of TARAS last night and was still glad to see them come in 1st four times  :cmas9

i think your the kiss of death when rooting for certain teams  :cmaslol :cmaslol
  :cmaslol , poor Michael  :cmas17
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on December 11, 2007, 08:02:48 PM
LMAO, kogs, believe me it's true --

it started with my first full season of TAR

Colin and Christie
Kris and Jon
Rob and Amber
Monica and Joseph (although now I'm glad the hippies won, at the time I wasn't)
Dustin and Kandice
Dustin and Kandice again
and now probably Kynt and Vyxsin
 :meow: :meow: :meow:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 08:07:49 PM
MoJo!?  :lol3: You liked MoJo?
I think everyone in the world loved Kris & Jon *sigh*
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on December 11, 2007, 08:08:49 PM
I thought Monica was hot!

LOL
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: patlini on December 11, 2007, 08:21:12 PM
I thought Monica was hot!

LOL

It's definitely a blonde thing for you isn't Michael?   :cmas27
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on December 11, 2007, 08:41:58 PM
haha yeah I would say it is -- but at least my like for Dustin and Kandice had something more than looks to it ... they actually kicked ass both times.

Anyways -- sorry for all the OT posts puddin!
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 11, 2007, 09:31:00 PM
You're looking at another BQ fan here. I was so angry that they lost in TAR10 and TARAS.

And Kris & Jon rocked!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: apskip on January 06, 2008, 09:44:39 PM
The only way for TK and Rachel to catch up (see my latest posting in Timelines for the details and rationale) is the intersection. I now think that CHATEAU was right in placing his faith in an intersection happening at Taipei 101 because there is no bunching coming up on the flights Osaka to Taipei. If so, then it is probable(it depends on how far back Donald and Nicholas are on release from the pitstop; they might catch up and be on the first nonstop flight KIX TPE along with the other 2 leading teams) that Donald and Nicholas get stuck and have to wait for TK and Rachel. If all 3 teams arrive essentially together, then it is possible that Ronald and Christina get stuck and have to wait about 3 hours for TK and Rachel.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: retard boi on January 06, 2008, 09:46:24 PM
I never understood how this spoiler make Ron and Christina behind. it just says that the other teams don't know where they are.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: teufel on January 06, 2008, 09:47:47 PM
Jen said in the previews "I'm going to pull the dreads out of that guy!" So, sticking with your theory, perhaps Nate&Jen are held back.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: michael on January 06, 2008, 09:51:04 PM
good catch teufel!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on January 06, 2008, 10:09:16 PM
I agree with peach, Ron & Christina not in the final 3. So they can speak the language,  :word: :whoop:

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: michael on January 06, 2008, 10:10:23 PM
I also agree with peach because she is nice.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 06, 2008, 10:17:28 PM
I'll also agree that Ron & Christina are out, but they will get a nice paid trip to Alaska...  :js: :js:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: jovian_w2002 on January 06, 2008, 10:22:18 PM
lol, i beg to differ. I still think they could be in the final 3, but who knows :P
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: knowledgeRW on January 07, 2008, 02:17:43 AM
hey everyone im new to the site but i hope to help in any way i can
ive been reading a lot of the posts and agree that ron and christina are eliminated next leg though you would think because they can speak Mandarin that would give them an advantage like it did in last nights episode.

i had the feeling Nate and Jen were going to win just because of all the focus on them not coming in 1st in any of the legs similar to storylines of The Linz Family of Season 8 and Eric and Danielle of All Stars

Much Love
knowledge
Title: Re: EP 11: The Final Push
Post by: michael on January 07, 2008, 03:44:37 PM
I still can't wait to find out where end city is
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: Belle Book on January 07, 2008, 06:36:09 PM
Well, it depends on who gets to the earliest flight to Taipei.  If T.K. & Rachel are the other team with Nathan & Jennifer, then it's possible that Ronald & Christina and Nicholas & Don are ahead of them.  If that's the case, then say good-bye to T.K. & Rachel and Ronald & Christina make the finals.  That's what I think will happen -- and what I hope will happen.  I have nothing against T.K. & Rachel, I just prefer Ron & Christina.

Belle Book
Title: Re: EP 11: The Final Push
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 07, 2008, 08:31:50 PM
I say the final city is Juneau.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on January 07, 2008, 08:40:15 PM
:bump *bump*hint*bump*
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on January 07, 2008, 08:41:15 PM
what's the hint for darling?
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on January 07, 2008, 08:49:48 PM
 :hides :hides
i am not guilty.
Title: Re: EP 11: The Final Push
Post by: Zack. on January 07, 2008, 08:53:23 PM
I say the final city is Juneau.  ;) ;)

And I say Fairbanks  :neener:
Title: Re: EP 11: The Final Push
Post by: apskip on January 07, 2008, 10:06:57 PM
I say the final city is Juneau.  ;) ;)

That's possible, but why? Juneau is the state capital, but it's quite small in population(just over 30,000 people). It's got the Mendenhall Glacier in the city limits, some interesting mines and a quaint downtown. It is very hemmed in by the Lynn Canal of the Inside Passage and the mountains, with virtually no free space.

Afternoon flights on July 29 from Anchorage to Juneau are AS66 1525 1920  or  AS70 1952 2137.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: jovian_w2002 on January 08, 2008, 01:06:24 AM
haha, i think i prefer Ron and Chris than TK and Rachel because they are exciting to watch haha :P I'm not sure if there's going to be an intersection especially given the fact that there are 4 teams left. If you read my earlier posts, intersections were performed by 6 teams, and there was a fast forward award given as well. So, in my opinion, I do not think there'd be an intersection - but I could be wrong.
 
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on January 08, 2008, 02:35:33 AM
I'm as guilty of this as anyone, but puddin has bumped up the speculation thread http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12523.msg246840.html#msg246840
so that we can leave this thread for true spoilers. Thanks everybody!
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 08, 2008, 11:02:33 AM
Again, I'm being facetious, apskip.  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on January 08, 2008, 12:57:18 PM
Again, I'm being facetious, apskip.  :lol: :lol:

 :lol3:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: apskip on January 08, 2008, 05:20:21 PM
Ken, unlike last time when I just thought you are not well informed this time I was pretty sure that it was facetious. However, the best way to deal with that is with facts. We all know that there is a miniscule probabilty that the end of final leg will be in Alaska but not in the greater Anchorage area.

However, many readers of RFF do not have enought background to know when you are being facetious and when you aren't. I see no value to your facetious statements, since they will only confuse those individuals.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 08, 2008, 07:27:07 PM
Thanks, apskip. Next time, I will PM you personally when my statements are being facetious. :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: michael on January 08, 2008, 07:42:25 PM
:hides
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 08, 2008, 07:45:48 PM
It's ok. I was being facetious again.
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: georgiapeach on January 08, 2008, 07:50:19 PM
Oh well--at least this discussion is vocabulary building for Michael... :groan:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 08, 2008, 07:51:49 PM
Don't worry, I'm dropping it. Nothing more from me. :waves: :waves:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: patlini on January 08, 2008, 08:40:37 PM
ok i'm embarassed and i will admit why

when Ken posted  Juneau

i had no idea that it existed as a town or place so i thought it was a clever pun on words as in YOU KNOW

as in like "you know" the finish line 

(i can only contribute it to a lack of knowledge of American towns)

ok I'm off to Michael's place  :hides   :-[
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 08, 2008, 09:08:09 PM
I could have written "Juno" which is a new movie that's getting great reviews.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: apskip on January 09, 2008, 10:35:48 AM
Here are the roadblock statistics for AR12 to date:

Ronald (4) & Christina (5)
Ronald – Sky Cycle, Deliver Items, Find Stone, Deliver Gas
Christina – Ditch Vault, Milk Camel, Bicycle Delivery, Ultralight, Taxi

Nathan (4) & Jennifer (5)
Nathan – Sky Cycle, Milk Camel, Find Stone, Ultralight
Jennifer – Ditch Vault, Bicycle Delivery, Deliver Items, Deliver Gas, Taxi

Nicolas (5) & Donald (3) – Fast Forward in Episode 7
Nicolas – Sky Cycle, Bicycle Delivery, Deliver Items, Deliver Gas, Taxi
Donald – Ditch Vault, Milk Camel, Find Stone

TK (5) & Rachel (4)
TK – Sky Cycle, Milk Camel, Deliver Items, Ultralight, Deliver Gas
Rachel – Ditch Vault, Bicycle Delivery, Find Stone, Taxi

The teams with the potentially biggest problems are Nicolas/Donald, who will have to get one more to Donald(but otherwise benefit from the Fast Forward), and TK&Rachel, who will need to have Rachel do one more than TK to get balanced.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: mswood on January 09, 2008, 03:27:10 PM
With the screen shots for this coming episode we (and if it's a roadblock, which it really has to be).  We can add one more for Nathan, One more for Rachel, one more for Ronald.  We haven't seen footage yet with Nic and Don (though if this is some passive roadblock, like skydiving, then it would be wise to use Don to burn his last required roadblock).
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: gingerman28 on January 09, 2008, 07:26:27 PM
Where in the rules of play does it say that roadblocks must be evenly done by both team members?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: puddin on January 09, 2008, 07:36:42 PM
Since TAR6 Gman, 6 a piece.

from that awful place called wiki~

Beginning in Season 6, each team member may complete a maximum of only six Roadblocks throughout the entire race.[7] Since there are normally twelve Roadblocks in the Race, this rule forces each team to split the Roadblocks equally between the two members (unless a team uses a Fast Forward to skip one Roadblock, in which case the split can be 6-5, if they somehow manage to get two Fast Forwards like Danny and Oswald did in Season 11, the split can possibly be 6-4). In contrast, Season 5's final three teams featured three male-female teams that split the Roadblocks 9-1 or 8-1 (not including unaired Roadblocks), with the male member of the team taking the load; many speculate that it was for this reason that the six-Roadblock rule was introduced in Season 6.[8] The six-Roadblock limit was dropped for only Season 8; additionally, that season's four-member-team format required some Roadblocks to be completed by two people. Season 10 had 13 Roadblocks; therefore, the maximum for each team member was increased to seven. While this Roadblock rule has not been specifically mentioned in some later seasons, team behavior and statements (such as Eric in All-Stars) imply that it still applies.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 09, 2008, 09:56:43 PM
This is known as the Flo Rule as Flo did what amounted to one Road Block while Zach did 30. Totally unfair. Then the rule when instituted to even things out and I think it's a good rule.

By the way, Jewel (http://www.jeweljk.com/) is hot.

edited to fix the link, puddin
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on January 09, 2008, 10:59:34 PM
Bowling Mom rule I always heard...  since they got gypped and all!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: Kogs on January 10, 2008, 08:11:35 AM
Bowling Mom rule I always heard...  since they got gypped and all!

it is the bowling moms rule. it was them and also in tar4 where tian and jaree where eliminated because of male dominated tasks. since then they made the equal roadblock rule and have had tasks which is fit for both a male and female.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: retard boi on January 11, 2008, 10:59:24 AM
I think the unfair task in the final 4 is only part of the story. generally I think the rule came because season five final 3 were entirely composed from strong male/weak female teams while the 3 female teams where eliminated in row just because the the men of the male/female teams did everything while the women just road cotails(in 3 cases the women had done only one roadblock). if that rule had been applied in this season I think Brandon&Nicole and Chip&Kim would have been eliminated earlier and the moms and Mirna&Charla be in the finale.

it's a shame that since that season except for Dustin&Kendice or maybe Lyn&Karlyn they didn't cast any women team with an actual chance of winning.

P.S
Tian&Jeree were eliminated because Jeree held the team back and not for an "unfair task", they were Lucky to make it this far, they were a bad team.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 11, 2008, 08:43:26 PM
I think TAR 6 started it because in TAR 5 Chip and Kim Chip did like 9 and Kim did 1 so it was dumb and TAR 4 Kelly and Jon Kelly did 2 and Jon did 10 so that was worse!!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: TARAsia Fan on January 11, 2008, 09:16:43 PM
There was a bad disparity among teams before the Road Block rule was instituted. I think it's much more fair now.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: Tyler on January 11, 2008, 10:57:26 PM
Lol, the most accurate conclusion would be that each female in the F3 for TAR5 only completed one roadblock.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on January 11, 2008, 11:40:30 PM
This is the TAR 12 spoiler thread, right? Or did I get lost along the way somewhere? :angel:
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: puddin on January 12, 2008, 12:08:45 AM



This is the TAR 12 spoiler thread, right? Or did I get lost along the way somewhere? :angel:
Fixed!!  :pull
Title: Re: TAR12 speculation on spoilers & teams etc ..
Post by: Kiwi Jay on January 12, 2008, 12:11:34 AM
lol