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Title: Locations
Post by: puddin on July 09, 2007, 10:02:22 PM

Locations spoilers are updated here ~
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12520.0.html  :carryon:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: puddin on July 31, 2007, 02:23:32 PM
received a tip:

One destination includes Malaysia
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: michael on July 31, 2007, 02:26:23 PM
Thanks puddin!
Malaysia again?! This is so exciting!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: gingerman28 on August 01, 2007, 03:13:06 PM
Littman says more:

This is a tough group," Littman says. "They'll be younger. We still have a good balance."

The show will will do two fewer episdoes and drop the noneliminations to create more excitement
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on August 02, 2007, 01:45:04 PM
I had previously received (from an extremely reliable source) that Croatia was a very probable TAR 12 location. However, without any secondary confirming evidence, I chose to wait until we had more info before sharing.  But based on my information and this information, I believe that there is a very good chance that this IS TAR 12 and not TARA. The dates of this sighting also coincide with the dates I was told.

Courtesy of "Vance" from Toronto--  LINK (http://tapeworthy.blogspot.com/2007/08/amazing-race-12-possible-spoiler.html)
This has just been posted:

Thursday, August 02, 2007
The Amazing Race 12 - Possible Spoiler?
 
My friend may have just witnessed part of the race for the next season of The Amazing Race 12 (unless it was The Amazing Race Asia?)
Story after the jump if you want to know though it doesn't REALLY spoil anything since we have no idea who the contestants are at this point and she didn't have many details.

Highlight below to continue reading.
My friend was in Duprovnik, Croatia on July 19th and saw groups of two's running followed by a camera.

Her husband was waiting in the center of the old city and he saw pple running down the street with cameramen following along and he also saw cameramen and others with walky-talkys tracking other pple and talking btwn eachother with directions that pple were running. This made her very suspisious.

"Then we were sitting at the harbor swimming area and we saw two pple run up the steps onto the concrete dock (and into our view) & look around, then we saw a camera man appear and then the two pple ran back the way they came and cameraman followed. We then talked to ditzy American couple who said they saw the "movie" being flimed and said that the crew seemed very closed lipped about what it was they were filming and who was in it they also saw pple zip cording and asked if that was something that they could do...they were told that it was special for the production that was being filmed. So then I said I thought it was Amazing Race and after a while of thinking they seemed to agree (it took them quite a long time to say "ive been thinking about it and I think you might be right")

The one couple racing, that my friend remembers, was a dirty blond guy and a girl with dark hair and both were wearing green headbands.

Sounds like The Amazing Race to me as opposed to some guerilla film making. While now would be the exact time they would be filming the fall edition of TAR, CBS doesn't have it on the schedule until Winter 2008, but maybe they are filming it just in case CBS decides to switch the schedules, since, you know, they do it all the time. I'm also guessing it isn't the Asian edition of TAR (though they did have a white couple in theirs too).

Sadly, they got no pictures of it because the racers were too quick.


Posted by vance at Thursday, August 02, 2007     

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: michael on August 02, 2007, 01:47:43 PM
 :wohoo: :wohoo:
Croatia and Malaysia :D
that's awesome, thanks peach!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: puddin on August 02, 2007, 02:08:49 PM
Oh pretty! If I recall we had a spoiler a few seasons back of scout type people seen around Croatia?
ETA: Dubrovnik, Croatia ??  (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,8610.0.html)   
There's a rumour going around on another site (site not in English, so no point in linking it) that an older team was walking in the Old City of Dubrovnik, Croatia (no cars allowed).


Dubrovnik has a town port, the port of Gruz and a marina. The old town port is protected by the Porporela breakwater; yachts drawing up to 3 m may dock in it; smaller ships are docked in the cove of Gornja Bocina. The port of Gruz is a trading port, situated 2.5 km northwest of the ancient town core of Dubrovnik. Dubrovnik Marina is located in Komolac, in the interior part of Rijeka Dubrovacka, about 4 km from the entrance to the port of Gruz. Dubrovnik is located on the main road (M2, E65). The Dubrovnik airport is located in Cilipi.


On and Outside Dubrovnik's Walls
Perhaps the highlight of any Dubrovnik day is a walk around the city walls. Fortresses, towers and walls join to make a 1900 meter circuit of the Old Town possible, and when the height can reach up to 25 meters, the views both over the town and to the sea are definitely camera-worthy. At the southern end of the city, docks for small boats and yachts provide the backdrop for a "fish and chips" summer feeling, and on warmer days you can swim in front of the city. To get further outside the walls, you can also enjoy a day trip to an island: there's no shortage of opportunities to island-hop in Croatia, and Dubrovnik offers ferries to several.



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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: Slowhatch on August 02, 2007, 02:46:45 PM
 :wohoo:  :yess: Congratulations! For a while I thought we were going to get skunked by this season.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on August 02, 2007, 02:58:56 PM
Oh ye of little faith... :lol:

But somewhere, someone at WRP was praying for that exact thing to happen, I'm sure!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: Kogs on August 02, 2007, 03:47:01 PM
Oh ye of little faith... :lol:

But somewhere, someone at WRP was praying for that exact thing to happen, I'm sure!

see i always say let the spoiler locations comes to us, and im right again  :lol:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: Izad on August 02, 2007, 07:28:48 PM
I've a feeling it might not be TARA2. I'll get back to you on this Peach.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on August 02, 2007, 09:23:21 PM
Well guys--I may have to backtrack a little here. At this point it looks as though this could still be either TARA or TAR 12.

I identified this based on knowing that an American TAR technical person was in Croatia working during the above dates.

But after discussing this with Izad and some of his excellent local contacts--it turns out that it is not impossible that an American could have been asked to lend technical support to TARA.  A sure thing?--No.  But possible--Yes.

But it is also possible that TARA and TAR 12 could have combined forces production wise--both for logistical reasons , or perhaps--to deliberately attempt to confuse us. Apparently, according to Izad, they used similar places/challenges and the same local crew while they were in Malaysia for BOTH TARA1 and TARAS so that's not impossible either.

So that leaves us with an excellent sighting but still unclear as to which TAR this could be.

It is certainly geographically very possible that this is TARA--the dates and proximity of the Prague and Croatia sightings would certainly make sense. (thanks puddin for the map!)

So it would appear that it hinges on whether or not an American would be asked to lend technical assistance to TARA, and at this point that seems to not be impossible.

Sorry guys for the confusion--guess we'll have to keep digging!



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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: Slowhatch on August 14, 2007, 07:52:03 PM
At their page (http://laragmag.com/2007/08/14/amazing-race-12-is-at-the-starting-line-but-the-gun-wont-go-off/) Lynn/Alex make an unsubstantiated claim ("we also heard from a little bird") about China.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: puddin on August 14, 2007, 08:46:06 PM
 :yess: Slowhatch!

Let me backpedal on the Malaysia spoiler.. the source is not quite sure that it is indeed Malaysia but is sure they went to Asia, "a few Asia's",  and also thinks Croatia was "definite". << not my words so take it for what its worth.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: Kogs on August 14, 2007, 09:11:25 PM
At their page (http://laragmag.com/2007/08/14/amazing-race-12-is-at-the-starting-line-but-the-gun-wont-go-off/) Lynn/Alex make an unsubstantiated claim ("we also heard from a little bird") about China.

wow china 3 seasons in a row
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: cabioTAR on August 14, 2007, 10:57:27 PM
My friend may have just witnessed part of the race for the next season of The Amazing Race 12 (unless it was The Amazing Race Asia?)

magic   :dancer:
 
from my info ... TARA 2 and TAR 12 have crossed each other in one of the Airport. But he don't want told me.

He told me, TARA1 and TAR10 had crossed each other in India too.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: cabioTAR on August 14, 2007, 11:02:56 PM

But it is also possible that TARA and TAR 12 could have combined forces production wise--both for logistical reasons , or perhaps--to deliberately attempt to confuse us. Apparently, according to Izad, they used similar places/challenges and the same local crew while they were in Malaysia for BOTH TARA1 and TARAS so that's not impossible either.

TARA1 and TARAS is impossible.... TARA1 was filmed as same time with TAR10.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: cabioTAR on August 14, 2007, 11:10:11 PM
It is certainly geographically very possible that this is TARA--the dates and proximity of the Prague and Croatia sightings would certainly make sense. (thanks puddin for the map!)




magic  :knuckles:



As per my source, they have crossed each others in Airport... so it possible somewhere in Europe....



Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on August 15, 2007, 12:57:15 AM
Okay--I give up!  :lol:  What does magic refer to please?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: cabioTAR on August 15, 2007, 03:34:47 AM
Okay--I give up!  :lol:  What does magic refer to please?

i'm refering  to highlight the words.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on August 15, 2007, 06:24:58 AM
Oh! Magic=spoiler bars! Highlight the space everybody!  :lol:

I am such a dummy.... :-[

But this is an all spoilers thread--so no need to spoiler bar things on our account!  :hugs:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: gingerman28 on August 15, 2007, 10:13:43 AM
If that are two guys from TAR12, then one of them has a pretty small backpack.  TAR teams always seem to have packs big enough for everything including the kitchen sink.  Or have they learned to travel light?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: apskip on August 15, 2007, 01:19:11 PM
GMAN, in AR11 Rob and Amber had tiny backpacks so they were following your advice from the beginning.  In Amazing Race Asia 1, Mardy and Marsio ditched their large backpacks and bought small ones about 8 legs into the race.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: puddin on August 15, 2007, 01:31:56 PM
cabio, you do not need to put hidden tags in this thread, it is afterall labeled spoilers :)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: TARAsia Fan on August 15, 2007, 10:39:32 PM


As per my source, they have crossed each others in Airport... so it possible somewhere in Europe....

Just in case you didn't see it, this is what Cabio put in white.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: cabioTAR on August 15, 2007, 11:04:43 PM
cabio, you do not need to put hidden tags in this thread, it is afterall labeled spoilers :)

Sorry guys ..

magic

 I have to. In respect to my friendship with one of Insider.
My guess AXN/Active TV Producers are here too. Even I think they are inteligent enough to read this too.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: cabioTAR on August 15, 2007, 11:08:08 PM
GMAN, in AR11 Rob and Amber had tiny backpacks so they were following your advice from the beginning.  In Amazing Race Asia 1, Mardy and Marsio ditched their large backpacks and bought small ones about 8 legs into the race.

same to Guido too... I like their backpack...
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: Slowhatch on August 16, 2007, 11:19:43 AM
Some Croatia stuff (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=2666383&view=findpost&p=8599469) fwiw over at the other forum. I'll put it here because the poster writes that the team was USA.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: anon1akacolby on August 20, 2007, 03:53:28 PM
Wow, I actually have a location spoiler!  I just received an IM from a co-worker asking me when the next TAR is going to be on.  The reason she was asking is her parents just got back from a cruise in Alaska.  On some tours they  were on they had some guides that mentioned they had recently helped with filming of TAR.   I asked her if she knew approximately when they helped but she didn't have that info.  She also wasn't sure exactly where in Alaska, she speculated,  but she told me she would ask her Mom again to pinpoint where in Alaska.   Hopefully I'll have more info as to the location soon.


Here are the quotes from my conversation with my co-worker:


"yup, at least part of it was in alaska.  2 of the people who did tours my parents went on this past week particpated in part of it up there.
 one was a guide up a glacier or something like that and one drove a boat up a river that was use."


"i can't remember which city my parents were in at the time...maybe denali?  a bit further north then where we went on our cruise, i believe.
closer to anchorage."





Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on August 20, 2007, 04:19:47 PM
 :wohoo:

Great lead! Can you find out more please? Check your PM's! ;)

Thanks SO much for sharing! Keep us posted!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: makdoric01 on August 20, 2007, 08:11:53 PM
I heard from reliable source they visited Bosnia maybe Sarajevo or Mostar.. most probably Mostar since its close to Dubrovnik but maybe both.. "We're going to a couple of places that I don't even know where they are on the map. I've had to go look them up." I think this might be it.. Prague, Dubrovnik, Mostar and Sarajevo for Europe this year.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: puddin on August 20, 2007, 08:41:11 PM
Thank you Colby and makdoric for the info!!  :yess:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: anon1akacolby on August 21, 2007, 01:35:42 PM
I've been given the go ahead to post the additional information I received.



This is the info she was able to get from my co-workers Mom:


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"girdwood was the city.  she couldn't remember the name of the glacier."


I asked her if Girdwood is where they did both tours she mentioned before:


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"oh, and yes, girdwood is where they did the tours."


I asked her if her mom recalled the tour company names and she said:

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"no, but she said the boat one was something about a 20 mile river."


I asked her if the tour companies they used were operated by the same company or different ones.  This is what she said:

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"i think different but since she didn't remember the names, not sure.  she just was given a list to pick from when she won the trip."

So it sounds like the trip they won from Alaska Airlines had tour packages. 



I looked up Girdwood online and came up with this:


http://www.girdwoodchamber.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?product=Activities&cart_id=1187714859.7590 (http://www.girdwoodchamber.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?product=Activities&cart_id=1187714859.7590)



Blue Ice Ride
http://www.akback.com/half-day%20activities%202.htm#Blue%20Ice%20Ride (http://www.akback.com/half-day%20activities%202.htm#Blue%20Ice%20Ride)
This spectacular jet boat ride is unlike any in the world. Our experienced boat captain will take you up the remote 20 Mile River Valley to Carmen Lake and the magnificent 20 Mile Glacier. .


The glacier hike could be from here:

http://www.akback.com/half-day%20activities%202.htm#Glacier_Trekker (http://www.akback.com/half-day%20activities%202.htm#Glacier_Trekker)
or
http://www.theascendingpath.com/ (http://www.theascendingpath.com/)



And last but not least, she had this to say:

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"oh, she also said she thinks it was one of the last locations according to their guide."

At first I took that to mean that alaska was on their way to the final destination.  But I asked her if she meant that Alaska is
Possibly the final destination.  She said:

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"i think so, she said she only remembers him mentioning 3 boats (not sure if it was 3 boats besides his or including his)."


I never thought of Alaska as the final city but I guess it would be possible and definitely a first!  This isn't confirmed so take it with a grain of salt for now until someone can verify.  :)

-----------

This is the new information that I just received.


The trip my co-workers parent's were on was last week with their return date this past weekend (Aug -18-19th)  They did state that the river guide they had mentioned they had just filmed 2 weeks prior which would put TAR in Alaska during the weeke of July 30 through August 3rd, which fits with the August 3rd finale date. 

Also, the trip her parents were on was a trip they won from Alaska Airlines.  The tours they chose were from that travel package.  I looked up  Vacation packages at Alaska Airlines and came up with this:

Girrwood is offered as part of a vacation package.  All tours are listed there.


http://alaska.org/alaska_airlines/escorted-alaska-land-tours.htm (http://alaska.org/alaska_airlines/escorted-alaska-land-tours.htm)

http://alaska.org/girdwood/girdwood-day-tours.htm (http://alaska.org/girdwood/girdwood-day-tours.htm)


Here are the tours offered in the Alaska Airlines vacation package that fit with my info above:

Jet Boat Twenty Mile River
http://alaska.org/glaciers/glacier-jet-alaska.jsp (http://alaska.org/glaciers/glacier-jet-alaska.jsp)


http://www.glacierjetalaska.com/index.php (http://www.glacierjetalaska.com/index.php)


Hike Alyeska Glacier

http://alaska.org/girdwood/the-accending-path.jsp (http://alaska.org/girdwood/the-accending-path.jsp)


I plan on asking more info this afternoon but I think this is a good start. 



Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: puddin on August 21, 2007, 02:42:37 PM
Thank you for sharing Colby! Excellent detective work  :yess:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: Slowhatch on August 21, 2007, 07:51:53 PM
Girdwood is also the home to Alpine Air (http://www.alpineairalaska.com/index.htm), which WRP used in TAR2 (see special thanks below). I think the TAR9 racers were also supposed to fly there (Drill it or Deliver it Detour), but bad weather cancelled out the flights.
I've got nothing against the Anchorage-Denali axis, but if the race is spending any time "North of 60" I wish they would visit places like the Yukon, NWT or Nunavut instead.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/Slowhatch/Misc/Specialthanksepisode13.jpg)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: mswood on August 22, 2007, 12:39:27 AM
Awesome, I always love seeing my home state get visited.

But I will agree with Slowhatch that Yukon territories or Northwest Territories would be cool.  Never been to any part of the other.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: anon1akacolby on August 23, 2007, 01:07:02 AM
Well folks I am not going to be able to find out any more info.  My co-worker's mom realized that her daughter was telling people about her info and she clammed up.  She said she wasn't supposed to tell anyone.  Too late!   :lol:  At any rate, I have paved the way and no doubt you guys have dig the rest.  :)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on August 23, 2007, 02:23:44 AM
Don't worry Colby! You did an AWESOME job! :yourock:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: puddin on August 23, 2007, 03:24:58 AM
I've been in Alaska for hours trying to find something Colby, I just know we will :yourock:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: apskip on August 24, 2007, 09:41:29 PM
CoolKel at TWOP has just referenced Ireland as a confirmed stop for AR12. I have asked for more information on what/when. We'll see what develops on this.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: puddin on August 24, 2007, 10:15:36 PM
Ireland finally! Fantastic!!

ETA: did the reference come from WAMgirl?  (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=2666383&view=findpost&p=8663903) LAX, interesting.

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We were at LAX this July going on our honeymoon, and we met a team from the upcoming season. The team consisted of a younger guy and his grandfather. They were headed to Ireland and were looking for guidebooks and people to exchange dollars for euros on a one to one ratio. 
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on August 24, 2007, 11:49:59 PM
yep, WAMgirl, not CoolKel....

She's been PM'd! :happy:

I love the idea of Ireland...
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: puddin on August 25, 2007, 12:25:21 AM
checking back on some notes:

**Filming start date was the last week in June in Los Angeles area. Cast and crews left via airplanes between aprox. July 2-3rd
**...originally filming was set to start in another start on July 7th
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on August 26, 2007, 01:53:38 PM
Thanks to Colby's excellent lead, I am pleased to be able to 100% confirm the Twenty Mile River leg, after speaking to someone who was actually at the boat launch site! :happy:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: mswood on August 26, 2007, 05:07:31 PM
Awesome Peach. :jumpy:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: makdoric01 on August 26, 2007, 05:10:05 PM
I can guarantee you 90% that they went to Sarajevo.. my friend just told me he saw some strangers runing around town couple of days ago with cameras following them.. I think Bosnia maybe in this one! They have found a pyramid in Visoko near Sarajevo it is the largest in the world, the may want to go there

BTW : Bosnia is very beautiful.. Take a look at this website http://www.bhtourism.ba/eng/
and website for the pyramids http://piramidasunca.ba/en/
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: puddin on August 26, 2007, 05:15:41 PM
I can guarantee you 90% that they went to Sarajevo.. my friend just told me he saw some strangers runing around town couple of days ago with cameras following them.. I think Bosnia maybe in this one! They have found a pyramid in Visoko near Sarajevo it is the largest in the world, the may want to go there

BTW : Bosnia is very beautiful.. Take a look at this website http://www.bhtourism.ba/eng/
and website for the pyramids http://piramidasunca.ba/en/
Thanks for the info makdoric but if your friend saw them a few days ago then it wasn't us, TAR 12, we were done filming around Aug 2 or somewhere around that time frame.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: apskip on August 26, 2007, 06:07:05 PM
makdoric01, ARA12 was in Dubrovnik around July 19. It could have been in Sarajevo in approximately the same time period. Was the sighting in Sarajevo over one month ago?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: makdoric01 on August 27, 2007, 10:27:36 AM
I am not sure then.. He said he saw them but I have to ask him when did he had seen those racers.. He told me they looked like a couple of strangers running like crazy around town.. I can't confirm you that they were there in sarajevo but let say its a possibilite
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: puddin on August 27, 2007, 06:20:27 PM
More from WAMgirl  (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=2666383&view=findpost&p=8681781)

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To add some more details to my TAR spotting in July...We were in the international terminal in LAX on July 8, 2007, at 2 pm PST. I have no idea what airline they were flying or when, but I assume they had awhile, because they weren't flying out of one of the immediate gates around us, and they were wandering around other areas looking for guidebooks and people who would trade euros with them. They did spend a lot of time across the way with a college kid who had a laptop and they were looking things up on it. I was just out of earshot though, so couldn't overhear anything. That's all I have...sorry! 
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: Mister RC on August 28, 2007, 08:50:13 PM
WAMgirl, you're my hero!  Thanks everyone; the more news from the race the merrier, given how much more difficult it was to spot anything.  Really loving Ireland as a stop on the race!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on September 06, 2007, 01:57:38 AM
With special thanks to the excellent lead provided by anon1akacolby, we are now able to definitively confirm the TAR 12 Alaska leg.

We know that the leg was filmed on July 29, 2007. (And since we also know that the race was completed no later than August 3 and probably a day or so earlier, that makes this one of the last possible legs.)

The leg was filmed in the Chugach National Forest (http://www.fs.fed.us/r10/chugach/centennial/visitors/index.html) (thanks to puddin for the link!), on the Twenty Mile River and on the Twenty Mile River Glacier.

(http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/25095/2003622781965282799_rs.jpg)

Teams travelled on the Twenty Mile River in boats provided by Glacier Jet, starting at Glacier Jets' launch site (http://www.glacierjetalaska.com/images/gallery/Strat%20of%20the%20Trip.JPG) (eyewitness source).  See a sample river tour video HERE  (http://alaska.org/videos-photos/videopop3.jsp?glacier_jet_medFL8.flv,glacier_jet_hiFL8.flv) (thanks Slowhatch for the links!).  Sample  River photos here (http://www.glacierjetalaska.com/photo_album.php).

They did an ice climb on the Twenty Mile River Glacier with technical support provided by The Ascending Path (http://www.theascendingpath.com/). (link thanks to Colby!)

(http://aycu09.webshots.com/image/26608/2003618251442329935_rs.jpg)

(Thanks to Chateau for the glacier picture!)
(http://aycu39.webshots.com/image/25358/2003610723157286971_rs.jpg)

Sample glacier ice climbing pictures  HERE (http://www.theascendingpath.com/ap_iceclimbing.htm).

Air support to the glaciers was provided by Alpine Air (http://www.alpineairalaska.com/index.htm), which again thanks to Slowhatch, we know that WRP used in TAR 2 also.  We believe that the teams were lifted from the river to the glaciers, although this sequence is not yet entirely confirmed.

(http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/24984/2003924123209671728_rs.jpg)

Film permits were granted for all of the locations.

(Special thanks to kogs for all the weeks of detective work!)

And I couldn't have done it without the help of the whole RFF team: including puddin, Slowhatch, Chateau, Colby, and kogs!


Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: Chateau d If on September 06, 2007, 10:28:53 PM
Fantastic find Peach !!!   :jumpy:

Here is the GE view.  Unfortunately, it is in the fuzzylands.   The glacier shot you have there is from very close by to where they say the ice climbing is to take place.  Or did take place.


 :jam:

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: terminator on September 08, 2007, 05:53:49 PM
I just saw the Amazing Race cluebox at Whiterock Pier, a landmark in the suburbs of Vancouver BC Canada. Could be a fake one, I saw no competitors but I did see what looked like production people nearby in an SUV,
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: puddin on September 08, 2007, 06:01:46 PM
If it looked like this cluebox  (http://family.webshots.com/photo/1425198276071872136uiVcUW) then its probably a local race terminator :yaya:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: apskip on September 08, 2007, 07:15:21 PM
The Travel Channel show 1000 Places to See Before You Die is doing reruns tonight. If you see this message before 1107pm EDT, you have the opportunity to see the rerun of their Alaska program. From 1107pm to 1110 pm it will feature Girdwood and the Crow Creek Mine.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: anon1akacolby on September 09, 2007, 08:14:42 PM
Whoa!! Great job guys!  I amazed how the info I found out turned into all of this.   Great job!  I'm glad I was of help.   :yess:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: georgiapeach on September 09, 2007, 08:18:31 PM
We could not have done it without your leads, Colby--so thank you again! :hugs:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: the_headcrusher on September 12, 2007, 01:16:41 AM
I just saw the Amazing Race cluebox at Whiterock Pier, a landmark in the suburbs of Vancouver BC Canada. Could be a fake one, I saw no competitors but I did see what looked like production people nearby in an SUV,

It was probably a local clone. 
But they could do so much if they come to the Lower Mainland / Fraser Valley (southwestern BC.)  For one there's get through the town of Surrey at 2 am without running into a hooker. Another one could be to get down an East Hastings street without seeing somebody shooting up.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers
Post by: terminator on September 15, 2007, 04:31:42 PM
It was the small one with a small flip up box. It looked just like the real one. It must of been a clone though, I thought the race was well over.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: Boingo on October 01, 2007, 09:32:14 AM
Found this over at RTVW board, posted by Doogie:

just heard from a friend today who told me that TAR showed up in my hometown of Green Bay, WI! No, no, apparently they did not visit Lambeau Field. A friend of hers works at the Green Bay Wildlife Sanctuary and Amusement Park (link to the website is here: www.baybeachwildlife.com   http://www.ci.green-bay.wi.us/geninfo/baybeach_web/baybeachhome.html).
Apparently this girl was really excited to work a Satuarday shift becuase her boss told her that the show would be filming in the Sanctuary that day. Now I don't know a specific date that this occurred on, but from talking with my friend I would think that it was in late July (either the 21st or 28th). Given that the press release fro casting stated that filiming was to occur June-August, I would say that this was a stop toward the finish line. I highly doubt the finish was in Wisconsin, maybe Chicago?


Take it for what it's worth.   :angel:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: Kogs on October 01, 2007, 09:48:37 AM
Found this over at RTVW board, posted by Doogie:

just heard from a friend today who told me that TAR showed up in my hometown of Green Bay, WI! No, no, apparently they did not visit Lambeau Field. A friend of hers works at the Green Bay Wildlife Sanctuary and Amusement Park (link to the website is here: www.baybeachwildlife.com; http://www.ci.green-bay.wi.us/geninfo/baybeach_web/baybeachhome.html).
Apparently this girl was really excited to work a Satuarday shift becuase her boss told her that the show would be filming in the Sanctuary that day. Now I don't know a specific date that this occurred on, but from talking with my friend I would think that it was in late July (either the 21st or 28th). Given that the press release fro casting stated that filiming was to occur June-August, I would say that this was a stop toward the finish line. I highly doubt the finish was in Wisconsin, maybe Chicago?


Take it for what it's worth.   :angel:

we've been debating this for a while, not sure if its anything see'ing how theres no real flights to green bay wisconsin.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 01, 2007, 01:26:06 PM
Kogs, I have a different perspective since I flew in and out of Green bay decades ago. My favorite airline websites make it clear that it can be done today from Anchorage to Green Bay on July 27 or 28 to arrive 28th(I believe the 21st is way too early from what else I know):

depart Anchorage 7/27 2200 on AS180 arriving ORD (that's Chicago O'Hare for the uninitiated) 0655

depart ORD 0800 on AS455 (this is a code share, it's really some other airline flying it) arriving GRB 0900

This set of flights is totally in keeping with the stealth approach of AR12 and so would having the finish be in Green Bay Wisconsin be. the 28th is A Saturday morning, so traffic at O'Hare should be very light at that very early time. There are no major college football teams residing in Green Bay and the Packers do not play until Sunday so flights from O'Hare to Green Bay would probably be less than full.


For teams unable to make that 2200 departure but able to make one 3.5 hours later, there is this alternative:

depart Anchorage 7/28 0125 on NW4244 arriving SEA 0535

depart SEA 0700 on NW804 arriving MSP 1218

depart MSP 1250 on NW2072 arriving GRB 1405 
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 01, 2007, 02:24:59 PM
Kogs, I have a different perspective since I flew in and out of Green bay decades ago. My favorite airline websites make it clear that it can be done today from Anchorage to Green Bay on July 27 or 28 to arrive 28th(I believe the 21st is way too early from what else I know):

depart Anchorage 7/27 2200 on AS180 arriving ORD (that's Chicago O'Hare for the uninitiated) 0655

depart ORD 0800 on AS455 (this is a code share, it's really some other airline flying it) arriving GRB 0900

This set of flights is totally in keeping with the stealth approach of AR12 and so would having the finish be in Green Bay Wisconsin be. the 28th is A Saturday morning, so traffic at O'Hare should be very light at that very early time. There are no major college football teams residing in Green Bay and the Packers do not play until Sunday so flights from O'Hare to Green Bay would probably be less than full.


For teams unable to make that 2200 departure but able to make one 3.5 hours later, there is this alternative:

depart Anchorage 7/28 0125 on NW4244 arriving SEA 0535

depart SEA 0700 on NW804 arriving MSP 1218

depart MSP 1250 on NW2072 arriving GRB 1405 

The problem with that is that the filming in Alaska was on July 29th.


We know that the leg was filmed on July 29, 2007. (And since we also know that the race was completed no later than August 3 and probably a day or so earlier, that makes this one of the last possible legs.)

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 01, 2007, 02:27:43 PM
I have spoken personally with the Resident Manager of the Park (he lives on site).

He does recall that a local TV station called asking for permission to shoot some PR shots at that time, but because the weather was so awful that day, they did not come.

He was on site on both July 21 and July 28 and he would have known if there had been any filming going on.

And remember--they were filming in Alaska on July 29th.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 01, 2007, 05:25:47 PM
Well, we appear to have conflicting information here because TAR cannot reasonably have been fliming in Green Bay on July 28, the only Saturday in late July, and then also have been filming in Girdwood Alaska the next day Sunday July 29. Although it is theoretically possible, it is incredibly unlikely. I guess we have to disbelieve somebody! Take your pick.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 01, 2007, 06:17:18 PM
Alaska is 1000%--I have unimpeachable proof.  ;)

Green Bay Park manager of Sanctuary denies filming.

Take your pick... :lol:

Now...if this had been for Aug 1 or 2, I would have been much more interested!

Still looking....
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: michael on October 01, 2007, 06:52:02 PM

is the rumour that the race ended in Alaska, or just that the teams passed through?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 01, 2007, 07:02:56 PM
The teams did  tasks on July 29--see the detailed Alaska post here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12521.msg225211.html#msg225211

The race was done no later than Aug 3, and more likely, by Aug 1-2.

My guess?

Alaska will turn out to be the next-to-last leg.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 02, 2007, 02:35:03 AM
FWIW..remember we have TAR2 running around as well but we think they were somewhere  (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12553.msg219587.html#msg219587) else around this time  ....

blog (http://brokeineurope.blogspot.com/2007/07/germany-belgium-and-netherlands.html) posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007

We just got done with a walking tour of Amsterdam. Unfortunately it was not as good as the Berlin tour but it was still very interesting. We think we saw some participants from the Amazing Race running through town with a cameraman and sound guy following close behind.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 02, 2007, 01:02:08 PM
How does Ireland arrival July 9, Dublin departure July 10 to Amsterdam sound?

There are two daily nonstops from Dublin to Amsterdam, EI602 610am to 845am and EI610 520pm to 755pm plus numerous connections that take much longer. I see Amsterdam as a quick stopover on the way to West Africa even though there could be some tasks in downtown Amsterdam(see below for time compression issue). It is not the most logical stopover (Paris is) but probably the next best. Most flights to West Africa have to connect through CDG airport in Paris. One example out of several in getting to West Africa but requiring that it be done on Wednesday July 11 because that is the one day of the week that the flight can be made is:

AF1141 departs AMS 1340 arrives CDG 1455
AF730  departs CDG 1610 arrives Ouagadougou(OUA) 1940
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: Chateau d If on October 02, 2007, 04:29:39 PM
Wow Puddin, that's a really great discovery.  I think it fits perfectly in the schedule.    :yess:

I looked at their blog entry for July 11th and determined that the TAR siting had to have been on the day before:  July 10th in Amsterdam

It is based on the fact that the Tour De France (http://www.letour.fr/indexus.html) reached Gant on July 9th (click on the flash animation).

Timeline for tourists      
July 9th      Tour De France seen in Gant, Belgium, They got up early that day and arrived by 15 min train ride to Gant.  They waited 5 hours
July 9th      "Jumped a train to Amsterdam. Arrived in town midday and headed directly to the laundry."
July 9th      "We spent about six hours walking around town going to various restaurants and bars to taste the tastes."
July 10th      "Today we took a quick train ride to nearby Haarlem."
July 10th      "We just got done with a walking tour of Amsterdam."
July 10th      "We think we saw some participants from the Amazing Race running through town with a cameraman and sound guy following close behind."
      "Tomorrow we are on our way to the lovely, Denmark."
      Posted July 11th at 11:17 am

This means that Apskip's flight on the 11th may well be the one they use to get to West Africa.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 02, 2007, 04:50:58 PM
Any chance we can fit Lithuania in there? Just speculation, no solid proof yet, no dates, no sightings etc.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 02, 2007, 05:13:47 PM
Just substitute Lithuania for Ouagadougou--which is all based on an unsubstantiated "we saw some teams" on a plane (http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=2666383&view=findpost&p=8353800) report.

Mind you, I'd love it if they went there, and this may turn out to be a great clue, but for the moment it has not yet been directly confirmed.

Although it might fit a timeline since the report of July 16th says recently.

Well, maybe Lithuania after Dubrovnik??
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 02, 2007, 05:18:15 PM
The basic answer is NO and the reason is that there isn't sufficient time to get from DUBLIN on July 9 to CDG on the early afternoon of July 11 (needed to get to West Africa) except through Amsterdam or London. With the information available about Amsterdam, it seems likely that that's the way they went. Vilnius or Kaliningrad in Lithuania would be too far to fly to quickly and back, since schedules are not very good to either.

However, there is every reason to believe that Lithuania could be the next stop after Dubrovnik (or the one after that, although that's less likely). With departure on July 21, here are the flights:

Croatia Airlines OU661
Departure: 06:05 Dubrovnik, Croatia - Dubrovnik Arrival: 07:00  Zagreb, Croatia - Pleso  

Lufthansa LH2485
Departure: 07:40 Zagreb, Croatia - Pleso  Arrival: 09:15

Lufthansa LH3252   
 Departure: 10:25 Frankfurt, Germany - Frankfurt International, terminal 1  Arrival: 13:25  Vilnius, Lithuania - Vilnius 



NOTE ADDED LATER: It is possible that West Africa is a mirage, but I don't thiink so. It fits with the stealth strategy and more time in Europe would not have. It is Lufthansa Airlines that has 2 connecting flights from Amsterdam through Frankfurt a day to Vilnius. the first takes just under 5 hours plus a one hour time change and the second just under 7 hours plus a one hour time change.

  

 
 
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 02, 2007, 05:47:09 PM
As a heavy-duty Tour de France fan, I can confirm that this was the first three legs of the 2007 route:

July 7 Prologue London

July 8 London to Canterbury

July 9 Dunkerque to Ghent
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: bdearl on October 05, 2007, 12:29:33 AM
I was not going to say anything because when i was there i really didn't believe that it could be the actual amazing race b/c i thought they filmed it in august not july.  Anyways I was in Belize on July 5th and saw two couples with camera crews trying to get on a boat in Belize City.  I didn't really know what was going on, but i feel like it fits with the schedule of where they might be.  One of the couples was arguing with the boat driver about the cost of the boat fare, then the other couple ran up and both couples instantly got on and agreed to pay the fee.  I watched all of this from Iguana Joe's a restaurant/bar right there on the dock in Belize.  Maybe that helps piece together the route.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 05, 2007, 12:36:53 AM
 :welcome2: to the forum bdearl!

And many thanks for the information! We love new hints!

Can you help us out with any other info?

What time of day? Any idea where they were going?

When you say two couples--do you mean male/female?

Did you notice any identifying marks on their backpacks?

And oh my--do you by any chance have pictures??

Any little thing you remember may help us to sort all this out!

But  thank thank you for sharing!! Please stay around and give us a hand! :waves:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: bdearl on October 05, 2007, 12:41:40 AM
No Unfortunately i did not have a camera with me at the time.  We had been diving all morning and were having lunch.  It was probably about 1 to 2 maybe.  Again this is all on memory.  The couples were both men women couples.  I'd say one couple mid to upper 20's, the other couple early 30's.  I do remember the younger couple the girl was a pretty attractive girl.  That is what caught my eye to begin with, that and the yelling going on with the boat driver from the male in the group.  As soon as the other group came up the arguing subdued and they got in the boat and left.  That's all i really remember.  Each couple had two other people following them.  One with a camera and another guy.  The first couple was there maybe 5 min before the latter.  The first couples camera guy was shooting while the second camera guy was not, he was just carrying the camera.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 05, 2007, 12:49:29 AM
How lucky to be there! Any idea what kind of boats are around there?

Take you out for a sail--take you to another area/island--take you diving--anything??

Are we talking day trip--or ferry type boat--little motor boat--sail boat?/

Anything to give us a mental picture.

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: bdearl on October 05, 2007, 01:08:43 AM
By looking at your map you can see a lot of little dotted islands along the coast.  That makes up the second longest reef in the world.  Cay Chaprel, and Cay Corkrel are just a short boat ride from there.  There is amazing diving on those islands as well as a really nice resort on one of them.  Shark alley, an area that is famous for having a great deal of nurse sharks and sting rays is right there as well.  Basically in Belize you have rainforests and great diving.  A few good beaches, most of which are on the outer islands, and one major city, Belize city.  The actual city though is somewhat rundown.  There are some ancient mayan temples in the country but i only went diving there so i never really went inland.  The boats are your typical caribbean boats.  This boat was a Catamayran, without the sail, common in the Caribbean usually with motors in each blade.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: bdearl on October 05, 2007, 01:16:16 AM
Also I have been to Prague, and it is a beautiful city.  Sites you may want to look up is the Charles Bridge (in the area of the Prague Castle).  Also check out Old Town Square, its really cool, big open space with a lot of character.  Finally there is a really cool building called the "Dancing House" which could be a location in Prague.       Street performing is big in Prague, especially on the Charles Bridge, so that could be a thing teams have to do.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 05, 2007, 01:19:07 AM
Am I getting warm?? :lol:

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 05, 2007, 01:24:50 AM
It looks like Prague turned out to be The Amazing Race Asia--but we are still excited about it!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: bdearl on October 05, 2007, 01:26:42 AM
Where can you see amazing race asia
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: bdearl on October 05, 2007, 01:29:28 AM
The pics are definately Belize, as you can see it is run down.  The yellow bridge is 500 yards from where the docks are.  The docks were probably built only 5 years ago or so and most of the buidings on them are new.  The beach is probably a mainland beach.  The cay beaches have much lighter blue water b/c of how shallow it is.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 05, 2007, 01:37:34 AM
weell I found a lizard bar... :jumpy:

was it near the swing bridge?

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: bdearl on October 05, 2007, 01:40:10 AM
Those pics look old.  It looks different on the docks now
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: bdearl on October 05, 2007, 01:41:51 AM
That lizard bar is on Cay Caulker, not in belize city where i saw the people
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 05, 2007, 01:45:20 AM
Well thank you again--we'll do a proper look around there tomorrow--this was just a taste!

Were you just on a diving holiday then? Do you know anybody down there who might have heard about this?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 05, 2007, 01:53:52 AM
one more...

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: bdearl on October 05, 2007, 01:56:43 AM
 the bars name is iguana rama
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: bdearl on October 05, 2007, 01:57:29 AM
That pic is definately belize city dock, the structure being build at the end is now iguana rama
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 05, 2007, 02:03:30 AM
Try this:

http://www.iguanaranabar.com/index.php

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 05, 2007, 02:15:25 AM
I think I found it!

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 05, 2007, 08:24:36 AM
I visited Belize in 1992 and was in Belize airport long enough to change planes for San Pedro, which is on an island northeast of Belize City. San Pedro is the major origination point for diving expeditions because it is closer to the barrier reef. However, the water distance from San Pedro to Belize City is considerable (which is why almost everyone flies that route). It is unlikely that the teams in the small tourist boats were headed for San Pedro. As indicated in someone's (GeorgiaPeach or bdearl, I can't remember which) earlier post, diving sites closer to Belize City are more likely.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 05, 2007, 11:16:44 AM
Thanks for sharing the info bdearl   :dancer: and good job with the pictures peach's!

eta: wasnt TAR8 suppose to go to Belize?
eta: yup!  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_8)
According to an interview with Wally Bransen on RFFRadio, Hurricane Emily forced producers to cancel a leg in Belize.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: KingCrimson88 on October 05, 2007, 07:32:17 PM
Oh God, are we in for 3 or 4 legs in Latin America again? If they start July 2nd, but only leave for Ireland on July 8th...
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 05, 2007, 08:00:32 PM
Here are the direct flight possibilities from the U.S. to Belize City, with the other flights from Central America to Belize city listed also:

AIR CARRIERS SERVING BELIZE

From the U.S. -
American Airlines -Direct flights from Dallas/Ft. Worth & Miami.
US Air - Direct Flights from Charlotte.
Delta Airways - Direct Flights from Atlanta.
Continental Airlines - Direct Flights from Houston.
Grupo Taca (El Salvador) - Direct flights from Houston & Miami.

From Mexico -
Direct flights to Belize are available out of Cancun and Chetumal.

From Central America -
Flights to/from Guatemala -
Belize City to/from Guatemala City - Aerovias (Monday, Wednesday & Friday)
Belize City to/from Tikal /Flores - Maya Island Air & Tropic Air (Daily)

Flights to/from Honduras - Grupo Taca
San Pedro Sula to/from Belize City
La Ceiba & Tegucigalpa to/from Belize City

First, I must say that while it is not mandatory for AR12 to have started in a city where connecting flights are not needed, I believe they did start in a direct flight city. Normally you might think that Charlotte, Atlanta or Houston would have been chosen. However, since American Airlines, that favorite of the Amazing Race for valid reasons of years of sponsorship, operates out of Dallas/Ft. Worth and Miami only, I am guessing that DFW was the originating airport. The second criteria would have been having a second carrier available for alternate flights. Houston and Miami have that. In my mind, that makes Houston the second choice since Miami has had its spot as Amazing Race start city. What do you think?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 05, 2007, 10:09:18 PM
Wow Puddin, that's a really great discovery.  I think it fits perfectly in the schedule.    :yess:

I looked at their blog entry for July 11th and determined that the TAR siting had to have been on the day before:  July 10th in Amsterdam

It is based on the fact that the Tour De France (http://www.letour.fr/indexus.html) reached Gant on July 9th (click on the flash animation).

Timeline for tourists      
July 9th      Tour De France seen in Gant, Belgium, They got up early that day and arrived by 15 min train ride to Gant.  They waited 5 hours
July 9th      "Jumped a train to Amsterdam. Arrived in town midday and headed directly to the laundry."
July 9th      "We spent about six hours walking around town going to various restaurants and bars to taste the tastes."
July 10th      "Today we took a quick train ride to nearby Haarlem."
July 10th      "We just got done with a walking tour of Amsterdam."
July 10th      "We think we saw some participants from the Amazing Race running through town with a cameraman and sound guy following close behind."
      "Tomorrow we are on our way to the lovely, Denmark."
      Posted July 11th at 11:17 am

This means that Apskip's flight on the 11th may well be the one they use to get to West Africa.

Maybe more on Amsterdam? I can't get a good read on the translation :P

from this blog  (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://p-a-r-entesis.blogspot.com/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DViaje...continuacion%2By%2Bfin%2B%252B%2BActualizacion%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GGIH_enUS207US208) and her flickr album (http://www.flickr.com/photos/masfotoscata/tags/amsterdam/), her pictures were taken on July 9th and you guessed it, no pictures of racers (http://bp2.blogger.com/_uNN8_QyNTrU/RqhM9_BNzMI/AAAAAAAAACs/R5RGrb9Kww0/s1600-h/DSCF5782.JPG) as far as I can see.

AMSTERDAM

I did not saw tulipanes, single of single wood, and mills from the train and within some city x
If I saw to 3 pairs that were competing in my reality favorite show “the amazing race”

OR :
I did not see tulips, alone of wood, and alone mills since the train and inside some city x
If I saw 3 couples that were being of concern in my reality favorite show "the amazing race"


eta: in Spanish (http://p-a-r-entesis.blogspot.com/)

AMSTERDAM

No vi tulipanes, solo de madera, y molinos solo desde el tren y dentro de alguna ciudad x
Si vi a 3 parejas que estaban compitiendo en mi reality show favorito "the amazing race"

ETA: fwiw my daughter says it reads "Yes, I saw three pairs that were competing in my favorite reality show the amazing race"
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: Chateau d If on October 05, 2007, 11:20:35 PM
You heard it here first.  Well, at least most of you.  Hi Peach!

I think the Belize location will be followed by El Salvador.  It is a yet-to-be-visited TAR country.

The indirect reasoning I am using to get this prediction comes from the way the flights would have to go to get to LAX by the 8th of July.

If they had been directed to Ireland from Belize then LAX would be a really bad connection to use.  It got me thinking that some other place that would result in LAX being a good connection had to be the next destination after Belize.

Here are some direct flights from San Salvador into LAX on July 8th:

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 05, 2007, 11:40:18 PM
Hi Chateau!

Did you see apskip's great list of flights too?

I have no idea-- but I hope to have some more from Belize by next week some time.

And Houston airport has told me directly that no filming was done in their airport then--so I think we can safely rule out Houston as a possibility.

And puddin--great blog find but now we have a time conflict. I can't imagine they would arrive in Ireland on July 9 from LAX and be in Amsterdam the same day. ???
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: Chateau d If on October 05, 2007, 11:49:35 PM
I think the Amsterdam spotting was on the tenth.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 05, 2007, 11:51:34 PM

And puddin--great blog find but now we have a time conflict. I can't imagine they would arrive in Ireland on July 9 from LAX and be in Amsterdam the same day. ???

Don't kill the messenger  :lol:! Maybe her camera date is wrong? Damn if I know? I can't even read Spanish.

Chateau D si, en tant que toujours. vous basculez ! :yaya:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 05, 2007, 11:57:06 PM
okay--

we have one blog in English that can date the sighting to July 10, which would work fine for our timeline.

Now the 2nd blog in imperfectly  :lol: translated Spanish was written as an update on July 22. So even if her pics are from the 9th, what's to say it wasn't the 10th she saw racers? Not like we have racer pics on the 9th. Unless once it is translated it clearly says that she is somewhere else on the 10th, I think we are still fine to assume the 10th.

Right--or not??
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 05, 2007, 11:58:58 PM
I think the Amsterdam spotting was on the tenth.
Right! Just because "maybe" she saw 3 teams and the pictures were taken on the 9th doesn't mean she couldn't have seen the teams on the 10th

on the 8th she was in Frankfurt (http://www.flickr.com/photos/masfotoscata/976553291/)

then Amsterdam the 9th

And YES she was in Amsterdam on the 10th as well!  (http://www.flickr.com/photos/masfotoscata/977481354/) as well as the 11th  (http://www.flickr.com/photos/masfotoscata/977481624/)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 06, 2007, 12:11:32 AM
YES! That works then.

My guess would be that they fly into Schiphol airport on the 10th sometime--it is a quick 20-30 minutes from the airport by train to Central Station, which is minutes from the area that a "walking tour" would be covering.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 06, 2007, 07:38:18 AM
Several diverse observations:

1. The Tour de France point of departure for Tuesday July 10 was Wagerem, 10 miles southwest of Ghent. Although it was possible for teams to be seen around town in the early morning, they would have left for the start line by maybe 9am. I doubt that the travelers would have seen them in Ghent the morning of July 10. It had to be July 9 when they were actually finishing in Ghent. Getting a good spot there and waiting for the race to finish would have required the 5 hours mentioned in their blog.

2. I have given more thought to the question of when the race might have started. In order for teams to be seen in Belize on July 5, they would have started no earlier than July 3, which is consistent with prior information. An alternate theory is that they started July 2 and went somewhere else first. The list of such places would include anywhere you can easily fly to Belize City to or take a bus from. That would include all of the Mayan Riveria form Cancun down, Cozumel, Chetumal, Guatemala City, Tikal, San Pedro Sula, Tegucigalpa, La Ceiba, and  San Salvador.

3. I like Chateau's theory that San Salvador might be the next destination after Belize City. There are nonstop flights from San Salvador to Los Angeles as he indicated. The other possibility is that teams get to northwest Mexico, one of the cities indicated in my SPECULATION thread posts. This appeals to me because I have a hard time believing that they are going to send teams from the middle of Central America northwest to Los Angeles and then northeast to Ireland, about 8000 miles of flying all in one 24 hour period.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 06, 2007, 01:11:46 PM
 :jumpy:

posted on 14 July 2007  (http://www.ergatai.com/wp/?p=269)

Our biggest news of interest is that it appears that the Amazing Race teams and crew were on our plane from Paris to Burkina. 
We have no clue what they could find interesting to do in Burkina but we noticed the flight was very full and it turns out that there were 40-50 people on the plane associated with the production.  We were sitting in Paris waiting to board and we kept seeing guys with really big video cameras, running up and then turning around to get video of two people coming towards them. 
We talked with a couple of people who said that they couldnt say who they were with but they didnt deny it either. 
There is a chance that we are in the background of several shots at the Paris airport or on the plane. 
Also, the SIM missionary from Ouaga who met us at the airport was definitely on camera giving directions to a team (Tim? & Don) who we had met and helped on the plane. 
Anyway,  I think they are shooting for the fall or the spring and they said that they were in the middle of the race.  If anyone could record it for us, that would be great.  Im sure there would be some interesting things about Burkina and you might get to see a little bit of our airport and what its like to arrive here. 
Several of the teams were not quite dressed appropriately to handle the heat or the cultural requirements, so it will be interesting to see what they do (there was a goth team and the guy was wearing white face paint!).
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 06, 2007, 01:26:46 PM
fwiw~ I came across this the other day:
 
 Male
25 years old
London, London and South East
United Kingdom

Derek's Companies  Current 

World Race Productions
Marina Del Rey, CA US
Research Coordinator
"The Amazing Race"
 

 http://www.myspace.com/derekhelwig11   
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: michael on October 06, 2007, 01:53:43 PM
I thought the goth team was supposed to be a F/F team
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 06, 2007, 02:06:55 PM
I thought the goth team was supposed to be a F/F team
I believe the Johnsons and I'm calling the F/F Goth Girls post BS.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: KingCrimson88 on October 06, 2007, 02:26:02 PM
Remember when the Kuwait spoiler pics came out in TAR10? We all thought Godwin was female. You can never be 100% sure of anyones gender.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: Chateau d If on October 06, 2007, 03:33:19 PM
I love it when they go to Paris. 

Here is the flight info:  Air France #732  departs 10:55 am on Friday, July 13th

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 06, 2007, 04:01:35 PM
This should make apskips happy! He reiterated that they must go to Burkina  :yess:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 06, 2007, 04:20:40 PM
okay--Amsterdam on the 10th. somewhere the 11th, with the 12th the travel day to Paris?

They could take The Thalys  (http://www.thalys.com/nl/en/timetables?o=8400058&d=8727100&date_trip=12/10/2007&time_trip=00-24) which is the express train--what with security and all it rivals flying for speed!

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: KingCrimson88 on October 06, 2007, 05:31:33 PM
Isn't it likely that they simply connect through Paris? Doesn't mean they actually have a leg there.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 06, 2007, 05:34:33 PM
Wasn't suggesting a leg--just speculating on transportation for now... ;)

They have to get there somehow!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: Chateau d If on October 06, 2007, 05:35:28 PM

Quote
Isn't it likely that they simply connect through Paris? Doesn't mean they actually have a leg there.


You're right but I'm still holding out for Paris   :jam:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: gingerman28 on October 07, 2007, 08:23:23 PM

Quote
Isn't it likely that they simply connect through Paris? Doesn't mean they actually have a leg there.


You're right but I'm still holding out for Paris   :jam:

Doubt that TAR12 will have a leg in Paris.  Been there, done that, have the tee shirt.  TAR12 is supposed to concentrate on new spots like Ireland and Barkino Fasi
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 08, 2007, 08:24:41 AM
Additional observations based on recent posts:

1. GMAN, I love ya(but not the way puddin does). However, Burkina Faso doesn't get much press(neither did its predecessor Upper Volta) and what it does get should be accurate and respectful. I would like to see you learn to spell it correctly. I had to learn how to not leave out the first "a" in Ouagadougou, which I have had to go back and fix.

2. The train schedules provided by Chateau says just what I had predicted, that getting train service into CDG by 9am for the flight to OUA would be difficult. This is so even from Amsterdam where train servic is almost hourly. The problem is it doesn't start early enough to make the connection. What does this mean? It means that the earlier hypothesis that they actually flew from AMS to CDG is the most likely. I do not believe(sorry, Chateau) that the Race would have sent teams to Paris and exposed them in a place where American tourists abound for an unnecessary overnight stay when they could do so quietly in the Dutch countryside near Amsterdam.

3. Flights they could have taken are:

KL1227 (code share AF8227) departs Amsterdam 650am arrives CDG 805am

KL1223 (code share AF8223) departs Amsterdam 720am arrives CDG 840am

Both of these are well within the security/checkin requirements for a 1055am intercontinental flight. There is also a one hour later flight that doesn't but could serve in a pinch.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: Slowhatch on October 09, 2007, 01:36:40 AM
Has TAR ever been to Barbados (http://travel.travelocity.com/hotel/TTDateLessDetail.do;jsessionid=5700577761EE7D003D4A4EAC21168BFA.p0434?propertyId=30243&tab=features)?  ???
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 09, 2007, 04:47:36 AM
Season 10, Episode 12

This is all I can find...would the episode credits show anything?

Quote
Rob and Kimberly bicker themselves all the way to a first place finish. They win an awesome trip for two to Barbados, spa money and a land and sea safari.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 11, 2007, 11:33:39 PM
Well guys, we need to get our thinking caps back on.

Sadly, it looks as though Belize may not be part of TAR 12 after all.   :(

Based on some Belize legal requirements, there is no evidence that TAR 12 met those requirements--or made any effort there to do so.

Could they have still filmed? Not legally according to my source. And they have been by the book everywhere else.

And while I am giving you the bad news, Dallas airport as a filming location has also been ruled out, as has Houston, and most likely Atlanta.

Some good news? I have renewed hope for Kerry in Ireland! ;)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 11, 2007, 11:36:51 PM
Good stuff peachs! Keep it coming :yourock:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: gingerman28 on October 13, 2007, 09:53:32 AM
Additional observations based on recent posts:

1. GMAN, I love ya(but not the way puddin does). However, Burkina Faso doesn't get much press(neither did its predecessor Upper Volta) and what it does get should be accurate and respectful. I would like to see you learn to spell it correctly. I had to learn how to not leave out the first "a" in Ouagadougou, which I have had to go back and fix.



OK, ya got it: Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso, Burkina Faso.  Oh, hell, Upper Volta is easier.

No matter, it still is one hellva place for the teams to visit and certainly fits the category of "I had to look it up on a map to find out where it was."
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: michael on October 13, 2007, 02:50:07 PM
I'm still waiting for the Amazing Race to go to Malta  :pull
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 13, 2007, 03:21:42 PM
GMAN, I knew roughly where Burkina Faso is, but in order to determine exactly where it is I had to look it up too. My favorite atlas is old enough that it labels it Upper Volta.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: marigold on October 19, 2007, 08:28:09 PM

It might help you guys if you search by Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia etc.

The "Former Yugoslavia" is just that. I have travelled to there but that's all I'm helping you with, and no I won't translate!!!

Cities of Forner Yugoslavia
Belgrade
Split
Sarajevo
Pula
Ljubljana
Skopje
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: apskip on October 19, 2007, 09:03:24 PM
ca bb fan says
Quote
It might help you guys if you search by Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia etc.

I too have been to Yugoslavia back when it existed.
However, the likelihood of the Amazing Race making 2 stops in the former Yugoslavia in AR12 is quite small. They have the whole globe to cover in 11 stops. I doubt that they flew to Dubrovnik from a pitstop elsewhere in the former Yugoslavia or from Dubrovnik to a next pitstop in former Yugoslavia.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: marigold on October 19, 2007, 09:09:44 PM
ca bb fan says
Quote
It might help you guys if you search by Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia etc.

I too have been to Yugoslavia back when it existed.
However, the likelihood of the Amazing Race making 2 stops in the former Yugoslavia in AR12 is quite small. They have the whole globe to cover in 11 stops. I doubt that they flew to Dubrovnik from a pitstop elsewhere in the former Yugoslavia or from Dubroovnik to a next pitstop in former Yugoslavia.



Oh no, I'm not implying that they have travelled anywhere outside of Dubrovnik in Croatia, I'm just saying your searches might come up with other photos or info if you use Croatia instead of former Yugoslavia which could have older info.

Just trying to help!!!

And zdravo or dobar dan what ever!!!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: marigold on October 20, 2007, 03:06:03 AM


An interesting article I read in Hello Magazine and thought I would share:

Dubrovnik is a celebrity hot spot, visited by Bono, Tom Cruise and John Malkovich, while Sharon Stone owns property there.

Link:  http://www.hellomagazine.ca/travel/2005/08/03/malkovichcroatia/ (http://www.hellomagazine.ca/travel/2005/08/03/malkovichcroatia/)

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Spoilers
Post by: marigold on October 20, 2007, 03:16:03 AM


One more I thought I would share, U2's Bonno vacationing in Croatia, not so cool in his swim trunks. Still love his music!!!

Link to the Daily Mail: 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=408506&in_page_id=1773 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=408506&in_page_id=1773)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 22, 2007, 03:37:25 PM
FIVE-TIME EMMY AWARD-WINNING "THE AMAZING RACE" RETURNS FOR ITS 12TH EDITION ON SUNDAY, NOV. 4, 8:00-9:00 PM
"The Amazing Race 12" Spans 50,000 Miles Including First Time Visits to Ireland, Lithuania and Croatia
 
My Lithuania spoiler might be good afterall!!!  :jumpy:

I'll be asonofabitch!
 

puddin's speculation:
long shot--Vilnius, Lithuania  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trakai_National_Park)
(http://i22.[banned image hosting site].com/1z69r9c.jpg)
 
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 22, 2007, 06:09:23 PM
You don't suppose they chose those ones to announce because--oh yeah baby! we had SPOILED them?? :rat?: :luvu:   Heeee....
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 22, 2007, 06:13:07 PM
If we find Yogi we might be able to add India to the list of locations?

So with Burkina Faso added in there that 4 of the new countries so Belize could be a new country? Where else? You all are smart when it comes to this.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: marigold on October 22, 2007, 06:16:34 PM
Puddin I havent had a chance to look but check out youtube there are dozens of auditions for TAR12?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 22, 2007, 06:27:28 PM
If you had any hope of being accepted as team, your audition video would NOT be on YouTube.

The confidentiality agreements begin immediately!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: marigold on October 22, 2007, 06:32:10 PM

oh too bad for them, maybe next time!!!
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 23, 2007, 06:36:42 AM
With all the 5 new countries accounted for there is no room for any others in remaining legs that are not accounted for yet. In particular, the one between Burkina Faso (probable release from pitstop there July 15) and Dubrovnik (probable arrival July 18) should be in one of the following African countries:

Morocco
Senegal
Tunisia
Tanzania
Ethiopia
Egypt

OR in one of these southern Europe countries:

Turkey(part is in Europe)
Greece
Italy
France
Germany (a stretch to call it southern European, but Munich or Frankfurt anyway)
Austria
Hungary

And we know for sure that it's not Czechoslovakia.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 23, 2007, 11:21:29 AM
In the same vein, the pitstops beteen Dubrovnik and Girdwood will be limited to select countries.  I think the most probable are:

Russia
China
South Korea
Japan, particularly this one because of its past underepresentation on the Amazing Race

The next tier of countries would be:

Ukraine
Turkey
Mongolia

The remaining possibilities are:

Poland
Greece
Egypt
Oman
Dubai
India
Sri Lanka
Thailand
Malaysia
Singapore
Vietnam
Hong Kong/Macau
Philippines
Guam

I think that's everything north of the equator that's ever been in a regular Amazing Race. Countries like Taiwan, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos, Myannmar, Bangladesh, all of the "stan"s, and most of the Middle East will not be possible because they have never been in an Amazing Race.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 23, 2007, 11:27:46 AM
In the same vein, the pitstops beteen Vilnius and Girdwood will be limited to select countries.  I think the most probable are:

Thailand

I thiink that's everything north of the equator that's ever been in a regular Amazing Race.

I have Thailand hinkies.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: gingerman28 on October 23, 2007, 02:47:36 PM


And we know for sure that it's not Czechoslovakia.

Czechoslovakia has not existed for at least 20 years.  It is now The Czech Republic, capital Prague; and Slovakia, capital Bratislava.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 23, 2007, 11:38:01 PM
Right you are, GMAN! I unintentionally misstated the Czech Republic's old name, probably because I still think of it that way.

My faith in the Belize spotting has apparently not been rewarded, as the Rule of 5 Countries and the certainty of the other 4 means that Belize is now in the questionable category. It looks like somebody has been trying to spoof or hoax us on that one. With the identification of a temple in Taiwan in the screencaps and the fact that Taiwan has never been on the Amazing Race before, it becomes the fifth country and knocks Belize out.

That also calls into question the whole legs before July 8 issue based on puddin's likelihood that the start was July 1, 2 or 3. It sure looks like it might have been July 8 based on the timetable work I am doing (more on that in the morning).

The work that Kogs has done on a nonstop flight from Taipei to Anchorage is valid, but it only applies to Sunday July 29 in the relevant time frame. It definitely does not apply to Monday, Wednesdays, or Saturdays. That means that teams would have flown on China Airlines 12 leaving Sunday July 29 from Taipei at 515pm and arrived at Anchorage after crossing the International Date Line at 905am on the same Sunday July 29.

There are 6 nonstop flights from Osaka toTaipei on July 27 starting at 1035am through 840pm departures.

The flight connection from Vilnius to Osaka would go through Frankfurt, then nonstop from there. However, since teams would arrive on July 23 and then have 4 days in Osaka it is much more likely that there was another pitstop in between Vilnius and Osaka.   
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 23, 2007, 11:51:43 PM


That also calls into question the whole legs before July 8 issue based on puddin's certainty that the start was July 1, 2 or 3. It sure looks like it might have been July 8 based on the timetable work I am doing (more on that in the morning).


Put the blame on me if you will but I never said or wrote (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12520.msg194400.html#msg194400) that I was certain. It was information passed on to me that I shared then later speculated that it might not be good info here (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13694.msg234713.html#msg234713).
not confirmed:
**Filming start date was the last week in June in Los Angeles area. Cast and crews left via airplanes between aprox. July 2-3rd

I have given good spoilers I found cast throughout this thread (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12522.0.html)  which I have not had a moment to update tonight. Of course with the help of Slowhatch, peach & Kogs.
Kynt and Vyxsin
Jennifer and Nathan
Michelle & Elena?
Kiss My Femur♥/Jenn & Rachel?

plus I have other names that I have not had a chance to look at but will share if they seem right.
Also I thought you all thought I was nuts with my Lithuania spoiler but it turned out to be good.

Anything else? I'd like to go watch my videos of the commercials now :waves:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 24, 2007, 12:02:16 AM
We have a video? :lol:

And I fell in love with your Lithuania location the minute I saw it! :kissy:

We all got a little fooled by this start--but you have been right on the money more than the rest of us puddin!

And thank you for the pretty vidcaps too! :hugs:

The good news is--think how many cell phone minutes I'll save from not having to call every other airport in America! :lol3:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 24, 2007, 02:48:56 AM
To quote a good friend of mine "A spoiler isn't a spoiler until it airs"  ;)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 24, 2007, 12:38:52 PM
OK, puddin, if you won't let me make corrections in the Timeline Speculation thread, then here is a necessary add-on to accommodate the new knowledge that it will be Shannon and not Dublin as the destination for leg 1:

to EI144 arriving DuB 1030 July 9, add on either EI 133 departs DUB 1145 arrives SNN 1230 or
EI125 departs DUB 1300 arrives SNN 1345.

This actually fits with the historic practices of past Amazing Race first legs of having at least two different arrival times to the first destination. Teams could have driven from Dublin airport, but the flight times are close enough to arrival in Dublin to get them to western Ireland quicker, although EEC customs clearance in Dublin airport in a 1 hour 15 minute connection for the first group could be tricky.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 25, 2007, 08:47:26 AM
FLORENCE

The proposal that Florence is a pitstop makes eminent sense. Having an icon of Florence is not sufficient, but Italy was already noted by me as one of a select group of countries which could be tapped. Also, with Venice, Rome, Bologna, Sicily and some rural parts of italy already featured the most logical places in Italy not previously shown are the Naples/Amalfi Drive/Capri area, Milan, and Florence.

A place has to make sense logistically too and there is good news there. The time slots that need to be fitted are either of:

1. July 15 from Ouagadougou to July 18 Dubrovnik
or
2. July 11 Amsterdam to July 13 Paris-CDG

Here are logical flights from OUA to FLR:

OUA to Tripoli BU756 departs 7/15 1230am arrives 0600
TIP to CDG BU900 departs 0915 arrives 1230
CDG to FLR AF5002 departs 1320 arrives 1520

Here are flights from FLR to DBV, assuming that a REST DAY occurs on 7/17:

FLR to FRA LH5067 departs 7/18 0715 arrives 0855
FRA to DBV LH2468 departs 1210 arrives 1355
Note: there is one later nonstop FLR to FRA LH4059 1010 1140, but the connection goes FRA ZAG, then ZAG DBV and arrives DBV 1635

For AMS to FLR, there is one nonstop IG3422 7/11 1020 1210
For FLR to CDG there are three nonstops on 7/13: AF5049 0650 0835,  AF5035 1015 1210, AF5041 1305 1500

It looks like Florence could easily have been incorporated onto the race route in either place, after Amsterdam or after Ougadougou. It is impossible at this point to determine which or even if Florence was part of the Race. Having an icon from a new place in the sceencaps is not an absolute guarantee even though it is a good predictor.
 

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 26, 2007, 08:29:05 AM
Referring the list in my post above for countries possible between Dubrovnik and what we now know to be Osaka and Taipei, I have developed some specific ideas for the 2 stops that we need:

1. The #1 city that appeals to me is Shanghai. It would be just before Osaka. Beijing, the Great Wall, Xian and Shanghai have all been done in prior Amazing Races. Cruising up the Yangtze River would have no real appeal for The Amazing Race, so the next best place left in China in my opinion would be Shanghai, with an emphasis on a trip to the suburb of Suzhou.

2. I don't think there will be any stops this race in India. If there were, the top place that has not been done so far is Bangalore and another is Goa.

3. I liked southern Russia as a possibility, but flight schedules east do not fit well so they are effectively out of the running. 

4. Next we have to look at two distinct cases, one with Vilnius after Dubrovnik and the other with Vilnius before it.

Vilnius Before Dubrovnik
This makes a more southern route likely. Only one stop is needed. I like the use of Istanbul as the connecting city for a daily nonstop flight to Shanghai, TK20 2320 to 1630, stopping in Beijing and crossing 5 time zones along the way. I doubt that Istanbul itself will be used again. I like Ankara the best. There are 7 nonstops a day from Ankara to Istanbul. Athens is second best. there are 3 nonstops a day (only one in the evening) from Athens to Istanbul. There are a number of other cities with nonstops to Shanghai, but except for Moscow they are all to the west of Dubrovnik. Istanbul as the connecting city involves minimal backtracking.

Vilnius After Dubrovnik
In this case, we need only to go as directly as possible from Vilnius to Shanghai. There are two possibilities on July 24, through Helsinki and through Moscow, arriving late afternoon or evening of the 25th.

Shanghai is an assumption, logical because of its geographic placement. There are any of over 100 cities that could have been selected for either of the slots available for the combined two cases. When evidence is available to indicate otherwise, alternative consequences can be examined.



Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 26, 2007, 01:45:54 PM
I have just completed a fairly massive study to determine which end cities are feasible and which are not. My assumptions are that teams started in the late afternoon or evening of Tuesday, July 31 from Anchorage and flew to somewhere in the lower 48. It is critical that final cities be reachable directly or with one connection and that the arrival time be in the 5am to 7am time frame ideally. Here are the choices for the connecting (or maybe final city):

Chicago AS 130 departs ANC 2200 arrives ORD 0655

Minneapolis on Tuesday, Sat. or Sun. has NW844 departs ANC 21445 arrives MSP 0556

Portland AS100 departs ANC 1240 (actually 8/1) arrives PDX 0514

Seattle numerous departures from ANC going all day, through 2055 arriving SEA 2310

That makes Minneapolis and Portland prime candidates for FINAL CITY. Chicago is a possibility, although it has alreadh had that honor so it is less likely.

There are a whole range of connections possible through Seattle. the trick was to figure out which other cities could be ones which met my criteria above(basically a nonstop flight out of Seattle just before or after midnight that lands between 5am and 7am). The ones that did not make that cut include New York-LaGuardia, Philadelphia, Raleigh, Tampa, Jacksonville, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Nashville, Indianapolis, Memphis, New Orleans, St. Louis, Kansas City, San Antonio, Denver, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, San Diego, Los Angeles, and San Francisco.

The ones that do make the cut and the flights that qualify through Seattle are:

Newark    CO234 2010 0610
JFK          B6 86  2350 0800(note: this is out of range but I left it in anyway)
Boston     B6498 2215 0624  or  AS24 2215 0635
IAD         UA204 2330 0713
CLT       US1548 2215 0607
Atlanta    DL616  2255 0625
Orlando    AS10   2320 0730
Miami       AS11   2222 0655
Detroit    NW208 2200 0505
Dallas     AA1212 1227a0606
Houston CO1543 2345 0553

Only one city can qualify through Portland due to timing of that 504am arrival above. That city is Sacramento. On Aug. 1, WN 1461 departed PDX 0605 arriving SMF 0730 (alightly outside my range, but I'll take it).

Based on past status as a final city, I doubt that New York/Newark, Dallas, or Miami or Chicago up above got chosen for this honor once again. That means that Boston, Washington, Charlotte, Atlanta, Orlando, Detroit,  Houston and Sacramento join Minneapolis and Portland as my prime candidates for FINAL CITY. Be looking for any hints that support or disprove one of these cities.

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: gingerman28 on October 26, 2007, 02:01:56 PM
If the trip covers, as first announced, 50,000 miles than there will be a lot of north-south legs in addition to the east-west legs.  You have to account for a lot of miles to cover twice the distance around the globe at the equator.

But, as said in the first promos, the trip is only 30,000 miles than the route will be more direct east to west with just the one north-south leg to Burkina Faso.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 27, 2007, 12:02:42 PM
We have some interesting location speculation going on in this thread  (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13733.0.html).

Florence, Italy  (http://Florence)
Bosnia (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13733.msg235917.html#msg235917)
India (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13733.msg235933.html#msg235933)
Some new evidence to add to our Africa spoilers, Dourtenga, southeast of Ouagadougou. (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13733.msg235968.html#msg235968)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: north09 on October 27, 2007, 01:47:18 PM
Ok, I don't know if this is any good, but my parents went to Florence for a day this summer. I wish they would have been there at the time of filming, but they wern't. Anyways, they went to the Domo and were able to tell me about it. It has aound 158 steps you have to climb to get to the top. One you make it all the way up, there is just an amazing view of all of Florence. They said that one part is so skinny that only one person can go by. Sounds like a part of a detour to me. "Climb up" or something else, I guess.

Here are some pictures.

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p204/Saracen7/domo1-1.jpg)

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p204/Saracen7/domo2.jpg)

And from the top...

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p204/Saracen7/domotop.jpg)

Also, my mom tells me they may cross this bridge

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p204/Saracen7/bridge1.jpg)

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p204/Saracen7/bridge2.jpg)

BTW: You don't climb up the tower, you climb up the other part of the domo, more likely the part they will visit.

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p204/Saracen7/italy096.jpg)

If you have any questions, just ask. I'll try and see if my parents can answer therm.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 27, 2007, 02:01:03 PM
Very nice North!!

Oh I recognize this place from my photo source

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p204/Saracen7/domotop.jpg)

 :angel:

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Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 27, 2007, 02:26:24 PM
Great pictures, North!!

And the lovely  Ponte Vecchio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponte_Vecchio) too.

I love Florence! They better go there after teasing us this way...
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 28, 2007, 04:32:54 PM
Wow Puddin, that's a really great discovery.  I think it fits perfectly in the schedule.    :yess:

I looked at their blog entry for July 11th and determined that the TAR siting had to have been on the day before:  July 10th in Amsterdam

It is based on the fact that the Tour De France (http://www.letour.fr/indexus.html) reached Gant on July 9th (click on the flash animation).

Timeline for tourists      
July 9th      Tour De France seen in Gant, Belgium, They got up early that day and arrived by 15 min train ride to Gant.  They waited 5 hours
July 9th      "Jumped a train to Amsterdam. Arrived in town midday and headed directly to the laundry."
July 9th      "We spent about six hours walking around town going to various restaurants and bars to taste the tastes."
July 10th      "Today we took a quick train ride to nearby Haarlem."
July 10th      "We just got done with a walking tour of Amsterdam."
July 10th      "We think we saw some participants from the Amazing Race running through town with a cameraman and sound guy following close behind."
      "Tomorrow we are on our way to the lovely, Denmark."
      Posted July 11th at 11:17 am

This means that Apskip's flight on the 11th may well be the one they use to get to West Africa.

OK, I am going back to the original information provided by Chateau above. Let's walk through it with analysis. The key is on July 9 watching the Tour de France. Those familiar with that race know that the finish of the race is usually at about 5pm local time. If this group was waiting around in Ghent for 5 hours, it would have been to see the finish of the 3rd leg of the Tour de France. It would have made no sense to wait for 5 hours and leave before that. 
That means that the next listing "jumped a train to Amsterdam. Arrived in town midday" must refer to July 10. It takes about 3 hours from Ghent to Amsterdam by normal fast train service, so that means leaving maybe 9am or 10 am from Ghent. That could not be on July 9; it has to be on July 10.
 "6 hours walking around town going to restaurants and bars to taste the tastes" has to be July 10. That takes them up to dinner time on July 10. there's no more time for sightseeing in the sunshine.
 "Today we took a quick train ride to nearby Haarlem (famous for its tulips when in season)" starts July 11.
"We just got done with a walking tour of Amsterdam" is later on July 11.
"We think we saw some participants from the Amazing Race running through town with a camera man and sound guy." is definitely July 11.

My conclusion is that I absolutely agree with CHATEAU's reconsideration of the dates for Amsterdam. The Amazing Race arrived there on July 11, not July 10 as we had previously thought.

This has the following major implications:
1. The Ireland leg can go until the early evening of July 10 before a pitstop is required.
2. There will be no leg between Amsterdam and Ouagadougou.
3. The leg bewteen Ouagadougou is probably Florence.
4. The leg after Dubrovnik is definitely Vilnius Lithuania.
5. There will be only one additional leg to figure out between Vilnius and Osaka.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 29, 2007, 01:13:15 AM
Far fetched I know but I had posted this in the TAR Asia 2 spoiler thread ..hey you never know? we are looking for a location around the 23rd. Could Thailand work?  -- just thinking out loud.

Jon's Blog of Stuff
blog posted on:Tuesday, July 24, 2007

The best story from the trip was the airport cab ride in Bangkok. Strangely enough, entry into the hotel is guarded and cars undergo a under-the-car mirror inspection prior to pulling up to the entrance. Ordering a cab from the hotel we managed to get the nuttiest guy in Thailand. Mentioning to us that he was told to "Go, Go, Go" by his last passengers (obviously contestants from the Amazing Race) he informed us that he was only going by the speed limit (which was fine by us

link  (http://jonsblogofstuff.blogspot.com/2007/07/holiday-blog.html)
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 29, 2007, 01:25:24 AM
I can't find our incomplete TARA 2 Timeline now -- but wouldn't TARA 2 fit better?  ???

Or this could even just be a joke as in ha ha if a fare says Go Go Go they must "obviously be a contestant on TAR"...
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 29, 2007, 01:27:43 AM
Far fetched I know  :lol:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 29, 2007, 11:29:06 AM
Not so far-fetched. The flights are feasible. I'll work them out and demonstrate that. There is plenty of time for it. The big problem is that Bankgkok has been overused by the Amazing Race.

I still believe it is more likely that it was a stop on the way from Europe to Japan for Amazing Race Asia 2.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 29, 2007, 12:30:58 PM
However, I have done an interesting list of the various locations for each leg and classified them into PREVIOUS and NEW so I can compare them to the statement made by I believe Bertram van Munster (or possible Jonathan Littman) that 65% of the locations for AR12 are new. Here are the lists, assuming that Florence is in NEW and Bangkok is in PREVIOUS:

PREVIOUS:

Los Angeles
Amsterdam
Bangkok
Unknown Final City

NEW:

Ireland
Ougadougou
Florence
Dubrovnik
Vilnius
Osaka
Taipei
Girdwood

That is 67% new or pretty close to that statement. That means that my previous assusmption that the Final City will be a new one appears to be incorrect. It also means that the UNKNOWN CITY should be somewhere the race has already been. That means one of the following will be the UNKOWN CITY:

Moscow
Istanbul
Delhi
Bombay
Calcutta
Chennai
Bankgkok
Chennai
Kuala Lumpur
Singapore
Hong Kong
Ho Chi Minh City(Saigon)
Hanoi
Beijing
Shanghai
Ulan Bator
Cairo
Addis Ababa
Oman
Dubai
Colmbo
Phuket
Chiang Mai


Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: Kiwi Jay on October 29, 2007, 12:48:50 PM
If your assumptions are correct apskip then puddin may be right
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: Kogs on October 29, 2007, 12:51:05 PM
for those who are wondering cause of timetables, its 150 miles roundtrip from ankrange alaska to girdwood alaska.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: Kiwi Jay on October 29, 2007, 12:57:15 PM
150 miles, Yeah but usually they ccut out quite a bit of road-trips though!!. Kogs over in Episode 2 we are just talking about the possibilites of there being TBCs and were exactly they would put them
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 29, 2007, 01:01:24 PM
for those who are wondering cause of timetables, its 150 miles roundtrip from ankrange alaska to girdwood alaska.
Kogs, you may be right. However from Ted Stevens International Airport in Anchorage to Girdwood it is 38.5 miles each way. That is 77 miles roundtrip. Here is the data from mapquest:

Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport (ANC): 907-266-2526
4600 Postmark Dr, Anchorage, AK 99502, US
Revise | New Directions
 
 
Girdwood, AK US
Revise | New Directions
 
Total Est. Time:  47 minutes
Total Est. Distance: 38.50 miles
Online Offers

Maneuvers Distance  Maps   
 There are .45 miles between your starting location and the beginning of your driving directions. Use maps to get from your starting location to the beginning of your route. 
 1: Start out going NORTH on N TUG RD toward DE HAVILLAND AVE. <0.1 miles Map
 
 2: Turn RIGHT onto DE HAVILLAND AVE. 0.2 miles Map
 
 3: Turn RIGHT onto POSTMARK DR. 0.8 miles Map
 
 4: Turn LEFT onto W INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT RD. 1.6 miles Map
 
 5: Take the MINNESOTA DR SOUTH ramp toward SEWARD HWY SOUTH. 0.2 miles Map
 
 6: Merge onto MINNESOTA DR. 3.7 miles Map
 
 7: MINNESOTA DR becomes OMALLEY RD. 0.9 miles Map
 
 8: Take the SEWARD HWY. SOUTH ramp. 0.2 miles Map
 
 9: Merge onto AK-1 S / SEWARD HWY / INTERSTATE A1 S. 30.2 miles Map
 
 10: Turn LEFT onto MAIN ST. <0.1 miles Map
 
 11: Turn RIGHT onto GOLD AVE. <0.1 miles Map
 
 12: Turn LEFT onto OLD DAWSON RD. <0.1 miles Map
 
 13: End at Girdwood, AK US  Map
 
Total Est. Time: 47 minutes     Total Est. Distance: 38.50 miles 
 
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: Kiwi Jay on October 29, 2007, 01:08:49 PM
47 minutes compared to his is doubled basically which means 94 mins big difference
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 30, 2007, 08:37:41 AM
I made an analysis yesterday on another thread that impacts post #151 above on this thread. Specifically, my entire concept on what type of cities will be the FINAL CITY has been turned upside down. My hypothesis used to be that a new city would be selected for this honor. However, analysis of the other stops and projected cities to fill them shows that to meet the 65% number indicated by TPTB (van Munster or Littman), the FINAL CITY will have to be one used in a previous Amazing Race, not necessarily as a FINAL CITY. That means that the FINAL CITY possibilities are now:

New York
Miami
Chicago
Dallas
Salt Lake City
Phoenix
Las Vegas
Seattle
San Francisco
Los Angeles

The cities eliminated if this approach is true are:

Boston
Washington DC
Charlotte
Atlanta
Orlando
Detroit
Minneapolis
Houston
Portland
Sacramento

For those still in the running per this approach, my previous work indiciates that several of them do not get a flight in from Anchorage (including single connection) between 5am and 7am. Those were Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. It is possible to get to those cities after 7am or before midnight, so they are not totally out of the running, but they are much less likely than the other 7. I now believe that the Final City will be New York metro, Miami metro, Chicago metro, Dallas metro, or Seattle metro.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: georgiapeach on October 30, 2007, 07:23:11 PM
Well--again take it FWIW--(sometimes those film people LIE!)

But kogs and I have been working our way from airport to airport--And Dallas both city and Airport have denied any permits (this one seemed very reliable)--and the Chicago Film Comm also issued no permits although I have not yet spoken to O'Hare.

Airport sleuthing to resume soon! :lol:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 30, 2007, 07:29:40 PM
And fwiw India/ Yogi is looking good  :jumpy:! check out the intro mish mash  :yess:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on October 31, 2007, 08:54:42 AM
puddin, I have looked into flight schedules into and out of Kerala. There are two major airports serving the two largest cities, Thiruvananthapuram and Kochi. It should beno surprise that it is difficult to get there from Europe and takes a long time. Best flights from Vilnius go through either Frankfurt or Moscow:

VNO KIEV MOSCOW DELHI TRV depart VNO July 22 1020, depart Moscow 1925, arrive TRV 1200 +1

VNO FRA DOHA(QATAR) TRV depart VNO July 22 1130, depart FRA 1420, arrive TRV 0735 +1

VNO KIEV MOSCOW DELHI COK depart VNO July 22 1020 depart Moscow 1925, arrive COK 1040 +1

VNO FRA DUBAI COK depart VNO July 22 1130, depart FRA 1420 arrive COK 0540 +1

Best flights from Kerala to Osaka go through Singapore and have nice tight connections:

TRV BOM KIX depart TRV July 24 1650 arrive KIX 1235 +1

TRV SIN KIX depart TRV July 24 2240 arrive KIX 1550 +1

COK SIN KIX depart COK July 24 2310 arrive KIX 1550 +1

It should be noted that there isn't much flexibility in these schedules. These aren't the only possible flights, but alternatives come with huge time penalties for longer layovers at connecting cities. The basic problem is that there aren't many flights into or out of Thiruvananthapuram or Kochi.

Kerala is one part of India I have not visited. However, I did get to Tamil Nadu, which is adjacent. The pace of life is totally different than that of the major cities of India's north(although Chennai in Tamil Nadu is an exception), with my expcetation that Kerala would be much more relaxed.

 
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on October 31, 2007, 11:32:56 AM
Kerala is still up in the air for debate apeskips we still have some work to do on that so somewhere India is as good as guess as any, probably the southern tip. Thats some amazing flight info btw.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on November 01, 2007, 09:46:45 AM
puddin, my flight information has had to be redone. I could not find Bekal on any of several maps of India. It is not even a small village. It is just a fort next to Pallikere village. Anyway, its name has changed whenever India changed Bombay to Mumbai. Bekal became Bakel. In spite of all of that, its location (now that I have found it) is 60 km south of Mangalore, a large city which is in the next province to the north. There is a reasonable flight combination in to Mangalore:

Depart Vilnius July 22 TE1138 1805  Helsinki AY29 Bombay arriving 0610 +1  9W433 departs BOM 0930 arrives Mangalore 1045 (July 23)

There is also a reasonable combination of flights to get teams to Osaka:

Depart Mangalore July 24 on any of 5 nonstop flights including 9W472 1505 arrive Bombay 1620 depart Bombay AI314 2025 arrives Osaka 1235 +1
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: moox03 on November 01, 2007, 10:24:38 AM
Another pretty popular (and easy) port in south India is Bangalore (also known as Bengaluru) -- it's in Karnataka, and there are regular bus/train connections from Bangalore to all cities south of it.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: puddin on November 01, 2007, 11:24:17 AM
I no longer think its the fort near Pallikere apskips rather, somewhere India :D
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on November 01, 2007, 01:05:13 PM
Another pretty popular (and easy) port in south India is Bangalore (also known as Bengaluru) -- it's in Karnataka, and there are regular bus/train connections from Bangalore to all cities south of it.

moox03, maybe there's something wrong with my glasses. However,  Bangalore is 200 miles from the Laccadive Sea to the west and 200 miles from the Bay of Bengal to the east. You cannot get any further from the coast at any other other large city at that latitude or further south in India! Bangalore is a huge metropolitan area with major economic development and a major airport, but a port it's not.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
Post by: apskip on November 01, 2007, 06:48:09 PM
I have been doing some simple arithmetic on various combinations regarding the route. Here are my conclusions:

1. You can get to 64% with 7/11ths. This means that there would have to be 4 places from previous usage. Those would have to be:

Los Angeles
Amsterdam
somewhere in Africa choosing from Senegal(most likely), Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, or Tanzania, assuming that anything south of Burkina Faso makes no sense
the UNKNOWN LOCATION, for which I have provided a list of potential countries but like Russia or China the best; that means Moscow, Beijing, Xian, Shanghai, or Hong Kong if I am correct

2. The 7 new places would have to be:

Ireland
Burkina Faso
Dubrovnik
Vilnius
Osaka
Taipei
Girdwood

3. See the Speculative Timelines thread for details. The number of TBCs is now 0 at the beginning and 0 at the end. Logic dictates that one of the legs in my timeline must be a TBC.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Speculation
Post by: apskip on November 02, 2007, 07:28:42 AM
I feel like I am in the middle of the movie 1776 now when the names of the states are on the board and are being rammed to the left or to the right as they vote for or against Independence. After sleeping on this, I have come up with what I think might be the only possible resolution of the 65% rule issue:

Girdwood was part of the AR9 "deliver medical supplies to a remote village" DETOUR, but bad weather prevented any team from taking it. They all had to go ice fishing instead. In the mind of van Munster, Girdwood must count as a Previous Place. Alternatively, the FINISH LINE may actually be in Anchorage, which clearly is a Previous Place.

If so, then we rebalance the sides of the ledger and still retain 7/11ths or 64% NEW places with the addition of the second African place and the subtraction of Girdwood from the NEW column.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Speculation
Post by: puddin on November 02, 2007, 11:24:47 AM
I feel like I am in the middle of the movie 1776 now when the names of the states are on the board and are being rammed to the left or to the right as they vote for or against Independence. After sleeping on this, I have come up with what I think might be the only possible resolution of the 65% rule issue:

Girdwood was part of the AR9 "deliver medical supplies to a remote village" DETOUR, but bad weather prevented any team from taking it. They all had to go ice fishing instead. In the mind of van Munster, Girdwood must count as a Previous Place. Alternatively, the FINISH LINE may actually be in Anchorage, which clearly is a Previous Place.
If so, then we rebalance the sides of the ledger and still retain 7/11ths or 64% NEW places with the addition of the second African place and the subtraction of Girdwood from the NEW column.
Anchorage as the finish line? I'm not buying it.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Speculation
Post by: TARAsia Fan on November 02, 2007, 11:53:33 AM
I would think LA would be the finish line, but you never know.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Speculation
Post by: puddin on November 02, 2007, 11:54:29 AM
I would think LA would be the finish line, but you never know.
Thats what I think too TARAfan -right back where they started.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Speculation
Post by: Kogs on November 02, 2007, 11:58:19 AM
I would think LA would be the finish line, but you never know.
Thats what I think too TARAfan -right back where they started.

any1 up for calling the playboy mansion  :lol:
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Speculation
Post by: moox03 on November 02, 2007, 12:30:08 PM
by port i meant it generally (ie port of call), but yes, it is an airport (BLR) not a seaport
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Speculation
Post by: apskip on November 02, 2007, 12:33:01 PM
TALES FROM THE FLIGHTS

I appreciate your desire for AR12 to follow a traditional path back to the lower 48, puddin. There is one way that it could have happened, but that requires you to either disbelieve the certainty of Peach's findings about when fliming occurred at Girdwood or to believe that the FINISH was close to midnight on July 29 in Los Angeles.

The  easy way is if teams left Taipei much earlier than anticipate, specifically at 0345 on July 28 on CI 11, landing at ANC at 0630 on July 28. That would give them less than 18 hours to do what has to be accomplished in Alaska and then on to AS942 departing at 1220 July 29 nonstop to LAX arriving at 0627.

The hard way is for teams to arrive in Anchorage as planned at 0915 on July 29, do what has to be done in 4.5 hours(include a 77 mile roundtrip from Ted Stevens International Airport to Girdwood), and  get AS94 departing to Seattle at 1355, connecting there to AS410 and arriving LAX 2120. There are about 2.5 hours left before midnight and it would be a truly historic late-night FINISH LINE. This option has a total incredulity about it.

The earlier arrival actually is feasible if all the timeline is pushed back accordingly. My difficulty is believing that Peach's information was not correct(which I don't).

Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Speculation
Post by: apskip on November 02, 2007, 05:51:31 PM
On we go. I have previously cited 3 different favorite cities, Moscow, Beijing and Shanghai, for the 7th leg UNKNOWN location between Vilnius and Osaka. Here are the relevant flight details so you can get an idea of the pros and cons of each one:

July 22 FROM VILNIUS
To Moscow (SVO) TE338/TE407 departs VNO 1020 connects in KIEV, arrives 1545
                          LO7721/LO627 departs VNO 1145 connects WARSAW arrives 2005

To Beijing (PEK) OS834/OS63 departs VNO 1510 connects VIENNA arrives 1125 +1
                        TE1138/AY51 departs VNO 1805 connects HELSINKI arrives 1150 +1  
                   BT115/SK995 departs VNO 1820 connects COPENHAGEN arrives 1155 +1

To Shanghai (PVG) TE420 1130 1300 connects FRANKFURT MU220 departs 1420 arrives 0700 +1  Alternative later flight is LH727 1735 0955 +1

July 24
FROM SVO to OSAKA AY154/AY77 1255 0845 +1

FROM PEK to OSAKA 5 flights from 0920 to 1620 departure arriving about 0340 later(2 hour 40 minute flight plus one hour time change)

FROM PVG to OSAKA between the time range of 850am to 2020, there is at least one flight every hour except none between 1325 and 1655 arriving about 0300 later (flight is 2 hours plus one hour time change).

The conclusions that can be drawn from this analysis is the total time to get through the 2 legs(including time zone changes) since the time zones between Vilnius and Osaka are the same for each combined route there. I get approximately 25 hours through Moscow, 24 hours through Beijing and 22 hours through Shanghai(despite the fact that from Vilnius that route went back to Frankfurt before moving east). It looks to me that in a shortened race preference will go to the most efficient route. That would be through Shanghai, but we'll see if that's the way that AR12 actually goes.

One thing that I am convinced of is that the alternatives to the south (all Indian cities, Bangkok, Singapore, etc.) are too costly in extra time to have been used in a race that was in a hurry.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Speculation
Post by: gingerman28 on November 02, 2007, 09:25:21 PM
One of the quoted interviews mentions that the teams visit six continents.  So where is the South American leg?   After Alaska?  Adding the time needed could bring the final mat back around the first week of August as we speculated early on.

Lima, Peru perhaps?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Speculation
Post by: puddin on November 02, 2007, 09:31:48 PM
Its only 21 days, so says BVM Gman -- we can barely fit the end city after Girdwood never mind South America.
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Speculation
Post by: apskip on November 03, 2007, 01:55:46 PM
To borrow from my post yesterday at 651 pm, "I get approximately 25 hours through Moscow, 24 hours through Beijing and 22 hours through Shanghai". Since we now know that none of these will be the UNKNOWN location since they aren't in India, let's take a look at comparabale data for the major Indian cities previous visited by Amazing Races:

Delhi 28 hours
Mumbai 30 hours
Chennai 37 hours
Kolkata 37.5 hours

As you can see, all of these are quite a bit more than for any of the ones above. However, despite the need for extreme efficiency in air travel to get from west to east, World Race Productions set a course that most likely included one of the 4 Indian cities above. It would appear that Delhi or Mumbai have the edge. The actual flights are:

July 22 VILNIUS FRANKFURT TE420 1130 1300 connecting to LH760 dep. 1345 arr. DELHI 0225 +1 Alternate flight AI131 dep. FRA 1615 arr. DEL 0745 +1

July 24 DELHI OSAKA AI314 depart 2315 arrive 1235 +1


July 22 VILNIUS FRANKFURT TE420 1130 1300 connecting to LH756 dep. 1340 arr. MUMBAI 0100 +1

July 24 MUMBAI OSAKA AI314 departs 2025 (2 stops) arrives OSAKA 1235 +1

The above are not the only possible flights, but they are the only efficient ones. Other flight connections involve considerably more time.
I have flight information on Chennai and Kolkata, but don't feel it is worthwhile to show it since they are quite unlikely.
I (and several other RFF Detectives) am now seeking information that will help determine which city in India was chosen.



Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Speculation
Post by: gingerman28 on November 03, 2007, 03:42:48 PM
It must be somewhere, but I'm too lazy to search all the threads, but do we have firm, absolute, confirmed sighting in Osaka? Or is this just speculation?
Title: Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Speculation
Post by: georgiapeach on November 03, 2007, 04:10:18 PM
G-Man: Puddin is doing a beautiful job keeping all of our facts updated in one place so all of us can keep up here:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12520.msg193237.html#msg193237

And Osaka so far is based on 3 vidcaps from the promo...
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: georgiapeach on November 04, 2007, 05:54:37 AM
Guess we should talk about this here now?

Continuing the discussion from speculation:

More interview evidence for another African country...

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/movies/article/0,2792,DRMN_23_5735396,00.html

Quote
30,000 miles are covered by the winning team in this year's race.

5 countries where The Amazing Race had never been will be featured in this season's trek, including Ireland, Lithuania and Croatia. Other locales include Burkina Faso, West Africa, and Taiwan.

Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Slowhatch on November 04, 2007, 08:54:38 AM
I read that as one phrase/place: "burkina faso, west africa."
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: gingerman28 on November 04, 2007, 10:14:48 AM
I read that as one phrase/place: "burkina faso, west africa."

The man in the blue head wrap or tagulmust is a Tuareg,  Sahara desert nomads most prevelent in Burkina Faso, Algeria, Libya, Mali and Niger.  They roam the desert on white camels.  So this must go with our Burkina Faso site.
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: apskip on November 04, 2007, 11:16:19 AM
GMAN, why must it go with the Burkina Faso site? You named 3 countries each of which is a valid possibility. First would be Niamey, Niger, which I have previously cited as the best possibility. Mali has Timbuctu, the fabled outpost in the Sahara. Algeria is a large country with several possible places.
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 04, 2007, 12:00:40 PM
reposting this here:
From the Jonathan Littman interview (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2007/07/cbs-party-offer.html): (thanks to Slowhatch)
Littman:
*"We're going to a couple of places that I don't even know where they are on the map. I've had to go look them up."

CBS Press:
  *This season, teams will travel approximately 50,000 miles (or is that 30,000?), covering five new countries including Ireland, Lithuania and Croatia. 

*This year's race includes stops in Croatia, Burkina Faso and Alaska and features the first-ever Goth team. --ocregister  (http://www.ocregister.com/column/watcher-night-abc-1902241-fox-race)

RTVW (http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/the-amazing-race-producer-upcoming-twelfth-edition-is-nail-biter-6023.php)
*Ireland is one of five new countries The Amazing Race 12 filmed in, along with Croatia, Lithuania and two African countries with names that van Munster said most people can't pronounce.
*"It's very exciting to go to new locations because we have gone to places where people have never seen a television camera or have never seen television"
*The Amazing Race 12's course will span approximately 30,000 miles in 21 days, making it one of the shortest courses in the show's 12 seasons

ocregister (http://www.ocregister.com/column/watcher-night-abc-1902241-fox-race)
*This year's race includes stops in Croatia, Burkina Faso and Alaska and features the first-ever Goth team.
rockymountainnews (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/movies/article/0,2792,DRMN_23_5735396,00.html)
*5 countries where The Amazing Race had never been will be featured in this season's trek, including Ireland, Lithuania and Croatia. Other locales include Burkina Faso, West Africa, and Taiwan.

AOL (http://television.aol.com/feature/amazing-race-12-preview)
*The show will crisscross the world, from Holland to India to Croatia, and head to a few off-the-beaten-track towns that will send viewers grabbing for their globes.
*"There are probably four places that the average person is going to hear and say, 'They're going where?' And they're going to have to get out a map to know where it is. They are very remote," said Bertram Van Munster, the other half of the executive producing team. "We hit most of the continents, except Antarctica."

Title: Re: Locations
Post by: apskip on November 05, 2007, 08:56:15 AM
PHIL KEOGHAN: 30000 miles in 11 legs! That tells us much of what we needed to know to finish off the Timeline and locations.

Please see my analysis in the Timeline Speculation thread. The summary of it is:

1. The two TBCs will be between Burkina Faso and Niger and Taiwan and Alaska
2. Niamey Niger is the 3rd pitstop.
3. The 4th pitstop is Florence Italy, possible due to the time slot from the African TBC.
4. The 7th pitstop will be Jaisalmer India.
5. There will be have to be a leg in Osaka because the count of legs doesn't work otherwise(if you assume that it is a 21 day race that ends in Alaska). It will be the 8th pitstop.
6. The second TBC will go between Taipei and Alaska since there is no desire to go below 3 teams.
7. Everything else is unchanged.
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: gingerman28 on November 05, 2007, 03:11:24 PM
PHIL KEOGHAN: 30000 miles in 11 legs! That tells us much of what we needed to know to finish off the Timeline and locations.

Please see my analysis in the Timeline Speculation thread. The summary of it is:

1. The two TBCs will be between Burkina Faso and Niger and Taiwan and Alaska
2. Niamey Niger is the 3rd pitstop.
3. The 4th pitstop is Florence Italy, possible due to the time slot from the African TBC.
4. The 7th pitstop will be Jaisalmer India.
5. There will be have to be a leg in Osaka because the count of legs doesn't work otherwise(if you assume that it is a 21 day race that ends in Alaska). It will be the 8th pitstop.
6. The second TBC will go between Taipei and Alaska since there is no desire to go below 3 teams.
7. Everything else is unchanged.


and the fifth and sixth pit stop?
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: apskip on November 05, 2007, 04:36:17 PM
GMAN: "Please see my analysis in the Timeline Speculation thread." The detail is there too and I highly recommend that you visit there. The KeepItSimple summary to answer your question is 5th Dubrovnik, 6th Vilnius.
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 05, 2007, 05:13:44 PM
I just knew that was coming Gman :lol: .

heres the link ~

Timeline Speculation thread (http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,13694.msg237263.html#msg237263)
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 06, 2007, 12:14:49 PM
maybe we can narrow this down? Best I can tell the monsoon's started early July.

BVM:The monsoon in India is really going to kind of put a damper on things and kind of makes it very humorous.



 
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: georgiapeach on November 06, 2007, 12:26:13 PM
Well--We know India is a go!   :lol3:

And white facepaint+ monsoon--yep! I'm laughing!

India is so big and it will really depend on the area as to when exactly the monsoons hit. And oh yeah--imagine standing under a waterfall when it is super hot and super humid...but it doesn't rain all day/everyday either.
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 06, 2007, 01:14:32 PM
Well I always thought Yogi was near the ocean but maybe not? maybe its flooding but what do I know  :lol:
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: georgiapeach on November 06, 2007, 01:18:27 PM
No--but it could be a large river/inlet such as the Ganges.

I've been in India during Monsoon season--it isn't all THAT bad! :lol:
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 06, 2007, 01:27:38 PM
Well I've never been to India so like I said, what do I know  :lol:
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: TARAsia Fan on November 06, 2007, 01:34:05 PM
I've seen India on TV. Does that count?   :snicker: :snicker:
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Boingo on November 06, 2007, 03:36:08 PM
 :lol:  I've had "Chicken Vindaloo", does that count?   :rotf: :lol3:
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: georgiapeach on November 06, 2007, 03:40:01 PM
You are all  so fired....

Good thing I love y'all anyway! :kissy:
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 06, 2007, 03:54:03 PM
:lol:  I've had "Chicken Vindaloo", does that count?   :rotf: :lol3:
Its true I've seen the pictures  :lol: !!


Monsoon Onset (http://mapxl.com/india/map_physical.phtml?config=physical&dg=state,nationalhighway,monsoon_onset)

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Title: Re: Locations
Post by: apskip on November 06, 2007, 04:37:32 PM
Great map of the 2007 monsoon start, puddin. However, what is perhaps more important is the same map of the monsoon end. Can you get that for us? Would it show the monsoon in western Rajahstan (inherently a desert) still on in late July?

I spent 3 weeks in India, but all in January/February, when there was no possibility of monsoon so I don't remember how long it lasts.
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 06, 2007, 05:02:17 PM
Its at the link above and you can zoom in and out.

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Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Boingo on November 06, 2007, 05:27:15 PM
:lol:  I've had "Chicken Vindaloo", does that count?   :rotf: :lol3:
Its true I've seen the pictures  :lol: !!

 :lol:  and here's the picture (http://www.drdudd.co.uk/homelife/vindaloo.gif) 
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 06, 2007, 05:39:19 PM
YES! Thats the one!  :rotf:
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: apskip on November 11, 2007, 10:44:37 PM
I want to address the question of whether the order of European stops will be Florence - Dubrovnik - Vilnius or Vilnius - Dubrovnik - Florence. We know that Dubrovnik has to be in the middle because of timing considerations. Since the flights from Vilnius to Delhi, India go west to Frankfurt before heading east, it has occurred to me that you could fly back from Vilnius to Dubrovnik. Here are the flights needed to make the second pattern above happen:

July 16 Niamey Niger to CDG AF731 0055 to 0600
CDG to VNO  TG471 1050 1435

July 18 VNO FRA TE420 1130 1300
FRA ZAG OU141 1720 1840
ZAG DBV OU662 2100 2155

July 20 DBV FCO OU384 1555 1700
FCO FLR AZ1681 2130 2230

July 22 FLR CDG AF5049 0650 0855
CDG DEL AF148 1025 2300  

The timing of arrival in Dubrovnik is not right with this. No earlier arrival is feasible on a Thursday. My conclusion is that this alternative is quite unlikely.

EDITOR'S NOTE - In addition to adding the section below, I corrected 1255 to 0055 in departure from NIM on July 16 above.

For those who have requested deciphering the "code" of airline flights, what you have is a 3 character code for the the airport code plus the flight number(two characters the first of which may be a digit, followed by one to four numbers), followed by the time of departure in 24 hour military time (midnight is 0000, 1159pm is 2359) and the time fo arrival in 24 hour military time. Thus for the top line above you can tranlate it to:

Niamey(which can a code of NIM but I didn't use it because few people know it) to Paris- Charles de Gaulle airport flight AF731 departure 1255am arrival 6am

Paris to Vilnius flight TG471 departure 1050 am arrival 235pm

You get the idea. The other airport codes are: FRA Frankfurt ZAG Zagreb DBV Dubrovnik FCO Rome Fuminicio FLR Florence DEL Delhi.

Title: Re: Locations
Post by: michael on November 11, 2007, 10:55:44 PM
i dont know how to read flights
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Kogs on November 11, 2007, 10:56:45 PM
i dont know how to read flights

cities, airlines, departure,arrival
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 11, 2007, 11:00:50 PM
Could we have some guidance on flights please  :lol:?
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: apskip on November 12, 2007, 09:06:07 AM
Michael D, I have added a new section to post #212 to assist you in deciphering the airline flight information. It's after the EDITOR's NOTE.
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 13, 2007, 04:57:34 PM
Pictures this as a way to travel through Florence especially since Gman has noted that this season is so "green".

Don't miss the extraordinary experience of living Florence on a Segway! (http://www.italyguides.it/us/florence/tour_of_florence/segway_florence_tour.htm)

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Title: Re: Locations
Post by: georgiapeach on November 13, 2007, 05:07:57 PM
I saw that too!  :lol: Wouldn't that be a blast! :ya3:
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 13, 2007, 05:36:45 PM
I saw that too!  :lol: Wouldn't that be a blast! :ya3:
Now who wouldn't notice a Goth team riding a Segway around Florence? ! C'mon people we need some spoilers  :rotf:
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: sharkshooter on November 14, 2007, 11:35:35 AM
i dont know how to read flights

cities, airlines, departure,arrival
There are many websites that help you decipher the airport codes, including this one:

http://www.world-airport-codes.com/ (http://www.world-airport-codes.com/)

Just enter the three-letter code in the "Search for airport details" box on the left and hit "Search Airports"
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 16, 2007, 11:51:38 PM
peach reminded me that I sent her this way back when

And I asked: "Is this too stupid to post?" and she never answered me so I just sort of forgot about it  :snicker:

Since were speculating fwiw I ran across this blog some time ago~

Its a conversation with Dean Gaveau on August 27, 2007 :

Directly across from us sat Dean Gaveanu and his wife/partner Julie. .
Dave is a Sound Engineer. He's contracted by Studio's and networks for series work.
He's worked a few reality shows which may not be recognized by most people.
Show's like: COPS and The Amazing Race, among others. 'WTF did you just say?' nearly came out of my mouth when Amanda (FAV) asked him what he did for a living. I was immediately cued in to this conversation. Then came the casual drop by Julie that he's be nominated for an Emmy for The Amazing Race - Sound Editing. And, oh by the way, he was nominated again for this year. (My jaw hit the table.) The conversation obviously turned on a dime and surrounded his experiences and travails. Things like, where have you been in this world?...too many to list ('I have 4 passports filled'), what's your favorite country..' Ethiopia. Its the greenest place on earth rivaling Ireland.' Hardest work...'split - for security reasons..COPS, for just flat out hard work, The Amazing Race.' What's travel like? 'Well, we usually get a couple days notice where we're going next, but most of the time its last minute where I have a chance to call Julie at home and say I'm heading here next, or arrived there (while walking through the airport waiting for bags." What surprised you most about doing this job? "The physicality. When I was doing COPS it was real. What you saw on TV is what really happened (save for editing,) but even after editing it came across the way it was presented to us...REAL. The police really were in some very difficult positions at times, and for us the difficulty was always remaining situationally aware..of our surroundings, where the bad guys were, what shot limitations we had, where the best and secure shot was..that type of thing. Apart from the security issues, like with the Amazing Race, its physical. Its always c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, lets go. Its, 'were moving here with this team' and then tracking them and their exploits full tilt non-stop." "Some of the locations around the world are very challenging. Heat, access to food and water, viable medical needs, staying ahead of and with the contestants. Not getting involved in situations where the crew becomes part of the story." "Those are the hard things. When we finally get off the shoot and arrive back home, my internal clock is all whacky from being in..China or Madagascar. Then I just come home, take a really long shower, have some great pizza, and sleep for a week..literally."

Blog (http://djmedic.blogspot.com/2007/08/cirquecon-revisit-cont.html)

Now Dean Gaveau (http://deangaveau.com/default.php) credits hiself with work on TAR12.

Then from our picture souce, the first one is labeled "Split" decision. The person edited out is production. The picture below is to show it is Split Harbor.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/misc/split.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/rawalsh/TAR12/misc/indexCAZVKV9I.jpg)
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Slowhatch on November 16, 2007, 11:57:34 PM
Hardest work? Split:
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 17, 2007, 12:02:58 AM
See I knew it was to stupid to post :jumpy: but still we have production hanging around in Split..a day off? Shouldn't he be working?

ETA: just to humor me how does Split work for you apskips, flightwise?
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: apskip on November 17, 2007, 07:46:47 AM
Happy to oblige, puddin, although I do agree with Slowhatch that the blog does not refer to the location in Croatia.

The flight connection into Split is via Rome and very quick:

FLR FCO AZ1682 1505 1685

FCO SPU OU381 1740 1845

Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 17, 2007, 10:30:26 AM
Well lets forget about the blog  :lol: (note to self, if you think its too stupid to post it probably is  :lol:), thanks apskips.
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 24, 2007, 10:21:44 PM
History for Dubrovnik, Croatia (http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/LDDU/2007/7/19/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA)
Thursday, July 19, 2007

Temperature:
Mean Temperature 84 F / 29 C  -   
Max Temperature 93 F / 34 C  -  - ()
Min Temperature 75 F / 24 C  -  - ()
Cooling Degree Days 19     
Growing Degree Days 34 (Base 50)     
Moisture:
Dew Point 56 F / 12 C     
Average Humidity 40     
Maximum Humidity 74     
Minimum Humidity 17     
Precipitation:
Precipitation 0.00 in / 0.0 cm  -  - ()
Sea Level Pressure:
Sea Level Pressure 29.95 in / 1014 hPa     
Wind:
Wind Speed 5 mph / 8 km/h ()     
Max Wind Speed 15 mph / 24 km/h     
Max Gust Speed -     
Visibility 6.2 miles / 10.0 kilometers     
Events   

Astronomy for July 19, 2007:
                  Rise: Set:
Actual Time: 5:25 AM CEST 8:20 PM CEST
Civil Twilight: 4:52 AM CEST 8:53 PM CEST
Nautical Twilight: 4:09 AM CEST 9:35 PM CEST
Astronomical Twilight: 3:20 AM CEST 10:24 PM CEST
Moon: 10:34 AM CEST (7/19) 10:48 PM CEST (7/19)
Length Of Visible Light: 16h 01m
Length of Day: 14h 54m






Hourly Observations 
   

Time (CEST): Temp: Dew Point: Humidity: Sea Level Pressure: Visibility: Wind Dir: Wind Speed: Gust Speed: Precip: Events: Conditions:
12:00 AM 91.4 F / 33.0 C  48.2 F / 9.0 C  23% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  Variable 3.5 mph / 5.6 km/h / 1.5 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
12:30 AM 87.8 F / 31.0 C  50.0 F / 10.0 C  27% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  Variable 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
1:00 AM 89.6 F / 32.0 C  48.2 F / 9.0 C  24% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  ENE 8.1 mph / 13.0 km/h / 3.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
1:30 AM 91.4 F / 33.0 C  46.4 F / 8.0 C  21% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  NNE 9.2 mph / 14.8 km/h / 4.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
2:00 AM 89.6 F / 32.0 C  46.4 F / 8.0 C  22% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  NNE 3.5 mph / 5.6 km/h / 1.5 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
2:30 AM 89.6 F / 32.0 C  46.4 F / 8.0 C  22% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  NE 8.1 mph / 13.0 km/h / 3.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
3:00 AM 87.8 F / 31.0 C  46.4 F / 8.0 C  24% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  NE 8.1 mph / 13.0 km/h / 3.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
3:30 AM 82.4 F / 28.0 C  50.0 F / 10.0 C  32% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  ESE 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
4:00 AM 82.4 F / 28.0 C  51.8 F / 11.0 C  35% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  SSE 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
4:30 AM 78.8 F / 26.0 C  60.8 F / 16.0 C  54% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  ESE 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
5:00 AM 77.0 F / 25.0 C  68.0 F / 20.0 C  74% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  ESE 8.1 mph / 13.0 km/h / 3.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
5:30 AM 75.2 F / 24.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  69% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  ESE 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
6:00 AM 75.2 F / 24.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  69% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  ESE 8.1 mph / 13.0 km/h / 3.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
6:30 AM 77.0 F / 25.0 C  60.8 F / 16.0 C  57% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  ESE 9.2 mph / 14.8 km/h / 4.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
7:00 AM 80.6 F / 27.0 C  59.0 F / 15.0 C  48% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  ESE 9.2 mph / 14.8 km/h / 4.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
7:30 AM 82.4 F / 28.0 C  60.8 F / 16.0 C  48% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  ESE 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
8:00 AM 84.2 F / 29.0 C  59.0 F / 15.0 C  42% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  East 8.1 mph / 13.0 km/h / 3.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
8:30 AM 86.0 F / 30.0 C  57.2 F / 14.0 C  37% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  East 8.1 mph / 13.0 km/h / 3.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
9:00 AM 89.6 F / 32.0 C  53.6 F / 12.0 C  29% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  East 9.2 mph / 14.8 km/h / 4.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
9:30 AM 91.4 F / 33.0 C  57.2 F / 14.0 C  31% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  SSE 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
10:00 AM 87.8 F / 31.0 C  66.2 F / 19.0 C  49% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  South 8.1 mph / 13.0 km/h / 3.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
10:30 AM 87.8 F / 31.0 C  66.2 F / 19.0 C  49% 30.01 in / 1016 hPa  -  SSE 9.2 mph / 14.8 km/h / 4.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
11:00 AM 86.0 F / 30.0 C  66.2 F / 19.0 C  51% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  South 10.4 mph / 16.7 km/h / 4.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
11:30 AM 87.8 F / 31.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  46% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  South 10.4 mph / 16.7 km/h / 4.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
12:00 PM 89.6 F / 32.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  40% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  SSE 11.5 mph / 18.5 km/h / 5.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
12:30 PM 89.6 F / 32.0 C  59.0 F / 15.0 C  36% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  6.2 miles / 10.0 kilometers  SSE 11.5 mph / 18.5 km/h / 5.1 m/s  -  N/A    Partly Cloudy
1:00 PM 91.4 F / 33.0 C  55.4 F / 13.0 C  29% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  6.2 miles / 10.0 kilometers  SSE 12.7 mph / 20.4 km/h / 5.7 m/s  -  N/A    Partly Cloudy
1:30 PM 89.6 F / 32.0 C  55.4 F / 13.0 C  31% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  6.2 miles / 10.0 kilometers  SSE 15.0 mph / 24.1 km/h / 6.7 m/s  -  N/A    Partly Cloudy
2:00 PM 89.6 F / 32.0 C  55.4 F / 13.0 C  31% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  6.2 miles / 10.0 kilometers  South 10.4 mph / 16.7 km/h / 4.6 m/s  -  N/A    Partly Cloudy
2:30 PM 89.6 F / 32.0 C  57.2 F / 14.0 C  33% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  6.2 miles / 10.0 kilometers  South 8.1 mph / 13.0 km/h / 3.6 m/s  -  N/A    Partly Cloudy
3:00 PM 91.4 F / 33.0 C  55.4 F / 13.0 C  29% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  6.2 miles / 10.0 kilometers  South 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Partly Cloudy
3:30 PM 89.6 F / 32.0 C  55.4 F / 13.0 C  31% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  6.2 miles / 10.0 kilometers  South 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Partly Cloudy
4:00 PM 91.4 F / 33.0 C  55.4 F / 13.0 C  29% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  SSE 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
4:30 PM 89.6 F / 32.0 C  59.0 F / 15.0 C  36% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  South 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
5:00 PM 87.8 F / 31.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  43% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  South 4.6 mph / 7.4 km/h / 2.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
5:30 PM 87.8 F / 31.0 C  69.8 F / 21.0 C  55% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  Variable 3.5 mph / 5.6 km/h / 1.5 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
6:00 PM 86.0 F / 30.0 C  69.8 F / 21.0 C  58% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  WNW 4.6 mph / 7.4 km/h / 2.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
6:30 PM 86.0 F / 30.0 C  68.0 F / 20.0 C  55% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  -  WNW 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
7:00 PM 86.0 F / 30.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  48% 29.92 in / 1013 hPa  -  WNW 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
7:30 PM 87.8 F / 31.0 C  60.8 F / 16.0 C  40% 29.92 in / 1013 hPa  -  Variable 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
8:00 PM 84.2 F / 29.0 C  66.2 F / 19.0 C  55% 29.92 in / 1013 hPa  -  NW 3.5 mph / 5.6 km/h / 1.5 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
8:30 PM 82.4 F / 28.0 C  59.0 F / 15.0 C  45% 29.92 in / 1013 hPa  -  NW 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
9:00 PM 84.2 F / 29.0 C  57.2 F / 14.0 C  40% 29.92 in / 1013 hPa  -  Variable 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
9:30 PM 89.6 F / 32.0 C  51.8 F / 11.0 C  27% 29.92 in / 1013 hPa  -  NNE 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
10:00 PM 93.2 F / 34.0 C  50.0 F / 10.0 C  23% 29.92 in / 1013 hPa  -  NNE 9.2 mph / 14.8 km/h / 4.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
10:30 PM 89.6 F / 32.0 C  55.4 F / 13.0 C  31% 29.92 in / 1013 hPa  -  ENE 8.1 mph / 13.0 km/h / 3.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
11:00 PM 91.4 F / 33.0 C  48.2 F / 9.0 C  23% 29.92 in / 1013 hPa  -  NE 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
11:30 PM 93.2 F / 34.0 C  42.8 F / 6.0 C  17% 29.92 in / 1013 hPa  -  Variable 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on November 26, 2007, 01:37:41 PM
History for Vilnius, Lithuania (http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/EYVI/2007/7/17/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA) (I would suspect Kaunas is fairly the same)
Tuesday, July 17, 2007

Temperature:
Mean Temperature 74 F / 24 C  -   
Max Temperature 86 F / 30 C  -  - ()
Min Temperature 62 F / 17 C  -  - ()
Cooling Degree Days 9     
Growing Degree Days 24 (Base 50)     
Moisture:
Dew Point 64 F / 18 C     
Average Humidity 75     
Maximum Humidity 100     
Minimum Humidity 48     
Precipitation:
Precipitation 0.00 in / 0.0 cm  -  - ()
Sea Level Pressure:
Sea Level Pressure 29.98 in / 1015 hPa     
Wind:
Wind Speed 1 mph / 1 km/h ()     
Max Wind Speed 8 mph / 13 km/h     
Max Gust Speed -     
Visibility 3.1 miles / 5.6 kilometers     
Events Fog

Hourly Observations 
   

Time (EEST): Temp: Dew Point: Humidity: Sea Level Pressure: Visibility: Wind Dir: Wind Speed: Gust Speed: Precip: Events: Conditions:
12:20 AM 66.2 F / 19.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  88% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  2.5 miles / 4.0 kilometers  Calm Calm -  N/A Fog  Mist
12:33 AM 66.2 F / 19.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  94% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  2.5 miles / 4.0 kilometers  South 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A    Mist
12:50 AM 64.4 F / 18.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  100% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  1.6 miles / 2.6 kilometers  South 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A Fog  Mist
1:20 AM 64.4 F / 18.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  100% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  1.8 miles / 2.9 kilometers  ENE 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A    Mist
1:50 AM 64.4 F / 18.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  94% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  2.5 miles / 4.0 kilometers  ENE 3.5 mph / 5.6 km/h / 1.5 m/s  -  N/A Fog  Mist
2:20 AM 64.4 F / 18.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  94% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  2.5 miles / 4.0 kilometers  Variable 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A Fog  Mist
2:50 AM 64.4 F / 18.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  94% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  2.5 miles / 4.0 kilometers  NE 3.5 mph / 5.6 km/h / 1.5 m/s  -  N/A Fog  Mist
3:20 AM 64.4 F / 18.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  94% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  2.5 miles / 4.0 kilometers  NNE 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A Fog  Mist
3:50 AM 62.6 F / 17.0 C  60.8 F / 16.0 C  94% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  2.5 miles / 4.0 kilometers  ENE 4.6 mph / 7.4 km/h / 2.1 m/s  -  N/A    Mist
4:20 AM 62.6 F / 17.0 C  60.8 F / 16.0 C  94% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  2.5 miles / 4.0 kilometers  NE 4.6 mph / 7.4 km/h / 2.1 m/s  -  N/A    Mist
4:50 AM 62.6 F / 17.0 C  60.8 F / 16.0 C  94% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  2.5 miles / 4.0 kilometers  NE 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A Fog  Mist
4:56 AM 62.6 F / 17.0 C  60.8 F / 16.0 C  94% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  2.5 miles / 4.0 kilometers  NNE 3.5 mph / 5.6 km/h / 1.5 m/s  -  N/A Fog  Mist
5:20 AM 62.6 F / 17.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  100% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  2.5 miles / 4.0 kilometers  North 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A Fog  Mist
5:26 AM 62.6 F / 17.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  100% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  1.6 miles / 2.5 kilometers  North 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A Fog  Mist
5:32 AM 62.6 F / 17.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  100% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  0.9 miles / 1.5 kilometers  North 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A Fog  Mist
5:50 AM 62.6 F / 17.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  100% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  1.7 miles / 2.7 kilometers  Variable 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A Fog  Mist
6:06 AM 64.4 F / 18.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  94% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  2.5 miles / 4.0 kilometers  NNW 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A    Mist
6:20 AM 64.4 F / 18.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  94% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  4.3 miles / 7.0 kilometers  NNW 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A    Unknown
6:50 AM 66.2 F / 19.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  94% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  4.3 miles / 7.0 kilometers  Variable 1.2 mph / 1.9 km/h / 0.5 m/s  -  N/A    Unknown
7:20 AM 68.0 F / 20.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  83% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  Variable 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
7:50 AM 69.8 F / 21.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  78% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  East 3.5 mph / 5.6 km/h / 1.5 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
8:20 AM 71.6 F / 22.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  73% 30.01 in / 1016 hPa  -  East 4.6 mph / 7.4 km/h / 2.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
8:50 AM 71.6 F / 22.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  78% 30.01 in / 1016 hPa  -  ESE 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
9:20 AM 73.4 F / 23.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  73% 30.01 in / 1016 hPa  -  ESE 8.1 mph / 13.0 km/h / 3.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
9:50 AM 75.2 F / 24.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  69% 30.01 in / 1016 hPa  -  East 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
10:20 AM 75.2 F / 24.0 C  66.2 F / 19.0 C  73% 30.01 in / 1016 hPa  -  ESE 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
10:50 AM 77.0 F / 25.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  65% 30.01 in / 1016 hPa  -  ESE 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
11:20 AM 78.8 F / 26.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  61% 30.01 in / 1016 hPa  -  East 4.6 mph / 7.4 km/h / 2.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
11:50 AM 78.8 F / 26.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  61% 30.01 in / 1016 hPa  -  ESE 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
12:20 PM 80.6 F / 27.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  54% 30.01 in / 1016 hPa  -  Variable 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
12:50 PM 80.6 F / 27.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  58% 30.01 in / 1016 hPa  -  ESE 4.6 mph / 7.4 km/h / 2.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
1:20 PM 82.4 F / 28.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  54% 30.01 in / 1016 hPa  -  Variable 2.3 mph / 3.7 km/h / 1.0 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
1:50 PM 82.4 F / 28.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  54% 30.01 in / 1016 hPa  -  SE 4.6 mph / 7.4 km/h / 2.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
2:20 PM 84.2 F / 29.0 C  62.6 F / 17.0 C  48% 30.01 in / 1016 hPa  -  SE 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
2:50 PM 84.2 F / 29.0 C  66.2 F / 19.0 C  55% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  ESE 4.6 mph / 7.4 km/h / 2.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
3:20 PM 84.2 F / 29.0 C  66.2 F / 19.0 C  55% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  East 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
3:50 PM 84.2 F / 29.0 C  66.2 F / 19.0 C  55% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  ESE 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
4:20 PM 86.0 F / 30.0 C  66.2 F / 19.0 C  51% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  SE 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
4:50 PM 86.0 F / 30.0 C  66.2 F / 19.0 C  51% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  SE 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
5:20 PM 86.0 F / 30.0 C  68.0 F / 20.0 C  55% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  SE 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
5:50 PM 86.0 F / 30.0 C  68.0 F / 20.0 C  55% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  ESE 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
6:20 PM 86.0 F / 30.0 C  68.0 F / 20.0 C  55% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  -  SE 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Clear
6:31 PM 86.0 F / 30.0 C  68.0 F / 20.0 C  55% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  6.2 miles / 10.0 kilometers  SE 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Scattered Clouds
6:50 PM 86.0 F / 30.0 C  68.0 F / 20.0 C  55% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  6.2 miles / 10.0 kilometers  SE 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Scattered Clouds
7:20 PM 84.2 F / 29.0 C  69.8 F / 21.0 C  62% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  6.2 miles / 10.0 kilometers  SE 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Scattered Clouds
7:50 PM 84.2 F / 29.0 C  69.8 F / 21.0 C  62% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  6.2 miles / 10.0 kilometers  ESE 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Scattered Clouds
8:20 PM 82.4 F / 28.0 C  69.8 F / 21.0 C  66% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  4.3 miles / 7.0 kilometers  ESE 4.6 mph / 7.4 km/h / 2.1 m/s  -  N/A    Mostly Cloudy
8:50 PM 80.6 F / 27.0 C  68.0 F / 20.0 C  65% 29.95 in / 1014 hPa  4.3 miles / 7.0 kilometers  ESE 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Mostly Cloudy
9:20 PM 77.0 F / 25.0 C  68.0 F / 20.0 C  74% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  4.3 miles / 7.0 kilometers  ESE 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Mostly Cloudy
9:50 PM 75.2 F / 24.0 C  68.0 F / 20.0 C  78% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  4.3 miles / 7.0 kilometers  ESE 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Mostly Cloudy
10:20 PM 75.2 F / 24.0 C  66.2 F / 19.0 C  73% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  4.3 miles / 7.0 kilometers  SE 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h / 2.6 m/s  -  N/A    Mostly Cloudy
10:50 PM 75.2 F / 24.0 C  66.2 F / 19.0 C  73% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  4.3 miles / 7.0 kilometers  SE 6.9 mph / 11.1 km/h / 3.1 m/s  -  N/A    Unknown
11:20 PM 75.2 F / 24.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  69% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  4.3 miles / 7.0 kilometers  SE 8.1 mph / 13.0 km/h / 3.6 m/s  -  N/A    Unknown
11:50 PM 73.4 F / 23.0 C  64.4 F / 18.0 C  73% 29.98 in / 1015 hPa  4.3 miles / 7.0 kilometers  SE 8.1 mph / 13.0 km/h / 3.6 m/s  -  N/A    Unknown



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Title: Re: Locations
Post by: patlini on December 04, 2007, 10:16:07 PM
re: yogi

I've spent the better part of a week looking for him (not that i'm an expert)

asked hubby what he thought (he is of Indian heritage after all) he said that the saffron robes meant he was a priest/monk (prob not new news to anyone) and that meant he could be anywhere.  however going off the skin coloring yogi looked more south Indian.  So we both thought Kerala.
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on December 04, 2007, 10:45:45 PM
re: yogi

I've spent the better part of a week looking for him (not that i'm an expert)

asked hubby what he thought (he is of Indian heritage after all) he said that the saffron robes meant he was a priest/monk (prob not new news to anyone) and that meant he could be anywhere.  however going off the skin coloring yogi looked more south Indian.  So we both thought Kerala.
Yeah I think hes a priest or something patlini and have been up and down the Goa and Kerala coast and think that some of us agree on this as well but your input helped and really, I thank you for helping and hope you all keep looking.  :xmas49

see he reminds me of these performers, these dudes are near Kerala
(http://i13.[banned image hosting site].com/6xvu0ec.jpg)
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on December 09, 2007, 07:02:05 PM
Kobe? Well traveled: Japan(Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto, Kobe ..)

RESUME   
   
Kiomi Kishi
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Title: Re: Locations
Post by: apskip on December 09, 2007, 09:37:32 PM
Kobe has given its name to the special happy beef which farmers in the surrounding area nurture. It is where the major port for the Osaka/Kyoto/Kobe metro area is and where the Arima Onsen hot springs are. It is a city of 1.4 million people. Otherwise, it is an unremarkable prosperous Japanese megacity.
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on December 11, 2007, 06:58:19 PM
I'm 90% Mumbai India!!  :jumpy:
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: patlini on December 11, 2007, 07:00:29 PM
ooh tell us more
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: apskip on December 13, 2007, 07:14:40 AM
I'm 90% Mumbai India!!  :jumpy:

puddin, like the rest of RFF I have been waiting for an answer to patlini's request for you to "TELL US MORE", please. What's up?
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: Zack. on December 13, 2007, 08:20:58 AM
Mumbai again? TAR's managed five trips to India (making up 7/8 legs), all at different cities. Plus, there are still other sites to explore - Bangalore and Hyderabad the most notable (granted, my knowledge of Indian geography is furnished by Google, expert cartographer :))

Is there any more information on the Taiwan leg/"leg" - specificaly if they just stay in Taipei or if they go to other city/cities like Kaohsiung (mainly because Kaohsiung's Dragon/Tiger pagodas seem like an excellent choice for a pit stop).
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: apskip on December 13, 2007, 10:05:16 AM
zackattack308, you may have missed my analysis of the Indian situation many weeks ago I think in the Locations thread. In essence, I argued that the timing of the race dictated staying in northern India due to its greater proximity to the line of flight between Europe(various latitudes, the correct one now know to be 44 degrees at Florence) and Osaka at 34 degrees. Delhi at 29 degrees comes closest. Agra next, then Kolkata, then Mumbai, lastly Chennai at 13 degrees. I agree with you that Bangalore and Hyderabad are the logical next major Indian cities to be used. However, the prevailing RFF wisdom is that it is more likely to be a smaller place like Jaisalmer or on the northern Kerala coast where the leg goes. Time is of the essence, so I cannot see either Jaisalmer or Kerala being doable in a short time frame. So where does that leave me? I think it will be something close to either Delhi or Mumbai, both of which have excellent air connections from Europe and to Osaka, better than either Hyderabad or Bangalore to the south.
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: georgiapeach on December 13, 2007, 10:14:00 AM
If it was me, I would focus on Mumbai for flights.... :angel:
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: TARAsia Fan on December 13, 2007, 11:35:01 PM
Hint. Hint.  :cmaslol :cmaslol
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on December 13, 2007, 11:38:44 PM
I promise if Mumbai works out, then Mum-bai I'll tell you and if it doesn't work out I'll tell you either way.
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: patlini on December 14, 2007, 08:41:01 AM
How about Goa - fairly close to Mumbai...
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: puddin on December 14, 2007, 10:02:33 AM
How about Goa - fairly close to Mumbai...
Well if India is 2 legs like we suspect, then Goa would be as good a guess as any?
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: apskip on December 14, 2007, 10:11:28 AM
One of my friends comes from Goa. He is married to the minister of my church and they return to Goa annually to visit the in-laws. If we need any info on Goa beyond the obvious tourist stuff, I can obtain it but they leave for India soon after Christmas so there isn't much time.

From what I know of travelogues, Goa is the former Portuguese colony that got turned back to India. It is known for its beaches, its laid-back hippy life-style, and as one enclave of Christian heritage in vast Hindu and Moslem India.

Getting into Goa is easy from Mumbai. Flying time is one hour. There are 4 flights between 510am and 630am and then 13 flights between 1200pm and 415pm. It will be similarly easy to geto out of. If AR12 has to go anywhere other than Delhia or Mumbai, it looks like Goa would be a fine choice.
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: patlini on December 14, 2007, 02:49:30 PM
and the race has never been... to Goa that is
Title: Re: Locations
Post by: apskip on December 14, 2007, 10:13:36 PM
However, if I interpret puddin's comment correctly, the Mumbai area itself is going to be a stop. Anywhere else would have to be a second pitstop in India. Given what we know about the remdinder of the race, the only way that could conceivably happen is if there is no Osaka. I don't believe no Osaka, so I guess that means that no second India leg.