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EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« on: September 22, 2005, 09:25:59 PM »
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2005, 05:34:45 PM »
BETRAY??????? *(^  Oh now, I don't think anyone on a reality show will betray!!!!!! ]][ ^/^ ^/^ 

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2005, 08:12:27 PM »
Next time:

Yax has deadly visitor
CROC
Gary: Definitely dangerous, no doubt about that
and
Misery plagues Nakum
BRIGHT HOT SUN......
Brandon VO: This place changes you, completely wears you down
Judd throwing logs down

And the game is taken to a new level

SHOTS OF THEM AT A CHALLENGE, LOOKS TO BE TRIVIA, SHOT OF BJ THEN STEPH WITH RAFE BEHIND HER AND SOMEONE SITTING NEXT TO HER THEY ARE HOLDING WHAT APPEARS TO BE PAD/PAPER

Steph : OH MY GAWD



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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2005, 12:22:06 AM »
OMG !! :headhunter:

In an unexpected twist, members of the two tribes are shuffled.

While one Survivor dangles his feet in the crocodile-infested waters, something nibbles on his toes. (Yaxha Duh )

A very close Immunity Challenge leads into a tense Tribal Council that could end with a tie or a major betrayal.
 

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2005, 01:11:37 AM »
Puddin, are you serious?  The tribes are shuffled?  Where is the boot list?  My visits to this board are not very long so I will have to check back.  Thanks.


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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2005, 02:35:50 AM »
 ^/^ I have NO bootlist Bathfizzy  :yaya: !
This season is leaving me empty  !!  I can't even follow the editing ,I cant find a winner and now team shuffling  |( ! The invisible people are disappearing quickly best guess is to look at them ..whos Brook   {l{ ?  I don't know ? .. I guess we wait for the promos or just go spoil THe Amazing Race !! {**}


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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2005, 09:01:34 AM »
WOW when I saw the pads and the OH MY GAWD I immediately thought it is tribal shuffle... Wonder if they have to with players they would want to be with or tribe they want to be with?  I just do not think Steph would be saying OH MY GAWD just for a trivia answer...unless it is one challenge for reward and Immunity ~ 1 day then TC.

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2005, 09:07:56 AM »
another thought...I think when asked everyone on yaxha will say they want to stay on the tribe, but I think steph will jump ship.  She will probably be should I betray them and leave?  But I think if her and BJ are together they are a force and people will target them.

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2005, 10:33:13 AM »
well the promos not up yet but I got the feeling they would be forced to switch sides , I'm probobly wrong ..I was thinking it went 4 from each team get switched ( funny Steph was wishing she was on a different tribe and the TPTB grant her , her wish )
Then I was thinking the " Betrayed " might be someone on Stephs alliance and her new formed tribe wants that person out . First guess Gary .

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2005, 11:05:54 AM »
If it is the 4 sitting together that are switched it will be interesting.... Jamie does not like Steph too much but will have to be with her since the other tribe may target them...Lydia's tight partner Brian will be on the other team.

Thery are sitting too close and looking at each other to be having to make and answer for a question.  Steph may be thinking why did I not sit next to Gary and Amy.

Will Steph and BJ end up opn the same tribe?  Will any of the athletic girls still be with Steph or will she have to rely on Lydia


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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2005, 01:29:36 PM »
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Promo link here

VO: Survivor Thursday .This former NFL Quaterback has been hiding his identity
Female: and your an ex- football player ?
Gary : < shakes head > No
VO: now his secret maybe discoverd
Amy: ..retired hes like a multi - millionare ..I'll Freaking kill him .
VO: and we've sprung alot of surprises on the castaways 
Danni : Oh < puts hands to eyes >
Margaret : < confessional > Oh My God
Rafe : < in canoe > Ohh!
VO: but your about to witness something thats never happened before
Gary : OH
Brian : Wow < on the  deck at camp >
Magaret : Hhhh !! < sitting at RC > ?
ROARRRR ... Judd beating his chest like Tarzan
VO: don't miss a new episode .....


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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2005, 01:34:27 PM »
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2005, 02:07:11 PM »
Okay a couple of things....three colors...three tribes?  there are 15 plyers now.  Danni must be with Gary and Amy now, who else is there?  Steph has a yellow buff on now ~ her stick had a yellow marks and you can see the top of her buff in the pic.

Rafe and Judd both at the front of their conoes...if ti si a chellenge Judd's team has slight lead ~ see where the front of Judd's conoe is compared to Rafe's goign at Judd's

Danni and Margeret's reaction...if they miss a question to they go to the newly formed team or do they get to pick.

I think steph is switched to Judd's team and that is why he is happy.  either that or the monkey finnaly left.

The red stripe makes me think 3 teams, but all stars started with 3 teams.


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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2005, 03:15:55 PM »
 Good Work Texan !!
also bianca pointed out that Rafe maybe in a yellow canoe , and Brian has a blue oar behind him?


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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2005, 08:50:46 AM »
The flag behind Gary is green/blue in the top pic.

I hate when they switch tribes just so Steph won't be on the losing side again. I think that is so totally unfair. Why don't they just put more equal teams on each tribe to begin with?  (:;)

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2005, 11:25:44 AM »
I agree, River.  The teams seem so unbalanced.  At least if they're gonna put most of the strong members on one tribe, the challenges should be balanced between brains & brawn.  That way, each tribe gets a chance to shine.
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2005, 04:16:57 PM »
So you think the forum to discuss their tribes and the switch will take the place of the RC?
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2005, 05:30:21 PM »
Heres what TDT posted ~~

REWARD CHALLENGE: Trivia/ Nakum wins letters from home? 
Parts of this challenge were shown in the post-Ep3 TV preview, where it was edited to suggest the switch occurs here. But we think that's actually at the IC. This is just a plain old trivia quiz/ mental challenge for reward (as Probst warned, voting people out purely for strength is risky, so immediately following we see a mental challenge). As you might expect, Bobby Jon doesn't look pleased.

But fear not, his tribe wins anyway. We see Margaret gasping at the challenge, then in the same clothes, crying with a slightly different background behind her. We also see Judd uh... "not" crying. We expect that this reward will be something similar to the Vanuatu one, where the yellow tribe won coffee and letters from home. Ho hum. 


Switch, IMMUNITY CHALLENGE: Canoe race, etc./ Nakum wins? 
With Nakum enjoying another (reward) challenge win, looks like time to switch things up. Who gets switched? The web promo shows us a lot.
Some are clear: Rafe and Steph are shown together at the IC lake, with Rafe gasping. Later, Rafe is visible in a yellow canoe.
In the other canoe, which appears to be blue, Blake is present. So Blake and Rafe switch teams (biancaxxx also saw this, and posted it at MeSS).
Does Steph too? Yep, she's shown with a yellow buff around her waist. And then there's Jamie... shown in the web promo with what appears to be a blue buff on his head. But as the video moves, some of the blue slips onto his forehead, and some yellow peeks out on the other side. Whoops! Once this airs on TV, it should be more obvious. Who gets switched to Yaxha? Well, for the possibility of a tie, there must be 4 ex-Nakums there. So in addition to Blake, we think we hear Danni's voice directly asking Gary (at Yaxha camp) about his ("No! I swear!") NFL career. Danni's also featured in the RC shots (as is Jamie), which are usually clues for who's switched. For the other two, then, we'd guess Margaret and Judd, who are all over the promos. But there's no real evidence for or against there.

As for the IC, it looks very similar to the Ep1 IC, since racing canoes to retrieve objects from the lake appears to be involved. There is also some sort of throwing (spears? paddles?) stage involved, presumably using the objects picked up on the lake. Who wins? Well, since we see Gary back at Yaxha camp, getting the third degree about his football days, and a slightly drawling woman (who is not Amy, Steph or Lydia) asking him about it, we're guessing Yaxha loses, yet again. Because the post-IC action always follows the losing tribe back to their camp, as they prepare to vote someone out at TC. And Gary is the red herring this particular time. 


BOOT/ Blake? Brian? Amy? 
Clearly, our attempts to follow previously-useful patterns of CBS editing to find the bootee the last two weeks have been spectacularly bad. So we'll try something new this time.

There's one set of clues that's worked at times last season, and seems to still work this season, at least so far. While it probably won't work again, now that we're pointing out, it should at least be good for this episode: Simply, who is shown when Probst is speaking at the end of tribal council is important. And what he says when they're shown is important too. For the boot, Brianna was the last person shown as Probst gave his parting words ("didn't see it coming"). The three below all had significant edits at previous TCs, and all end up on Yaxha this week: 

TDT credits this person XbaIanque
For the Blake spoiler so there maybe something to it ..

Overall, we think Blake is the most likely to be booted. Clearly, the Gary storyline is the focus for the episode, and will probably be the red herring heading into tribal council. Since Brian is shown flipping his head back and forth multiple times in the ads, he's probably the person getting pulled by the tie-vs-betrayal options. As such, he's unlikely to be a vote target (this week). He and Danni have previously talked about Gary, now's the time, in theory, to put the "Gary lied!" story into action. Amy sounds like she's sticking with Gary. Gary's not voting for himself, and if Lydia is there, she won't vote for Gary, either. The ex-Nakums will all happily vote for Gary, since he's a strong guy from the other tribe. That leaves Brian in the middle. We're guessing he chooses not to betray Gary, there's a tie, and Blake leaves.

(And then Brian, after the Nakums get mad that he promised to vote off Gary, then changed his mind, will likely be next).

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2005, 10:11:48 PM »
 
"To Betray or Not to Betray"
The two tribes are switched around; one castaway gets a big scare when something nibbles on his toes as he dangles them in crocodile-infested waters; a very close Immunity Challenge leads to a tense Tribal Council.

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2005, 11:15:24 PM »
thanks to SF~

Episode 4 - CBS Press Release
 
THE TRIBES MEET AND FIND OUT THEY ARE BEING SWITCHED AROUND, ON "SURVIVOR: GUATEMALA -- THE MAYA EMPIRE," THURSDAY, OCT. 6
"To Betray Or Not To Betray" -- The tribes are switched around, on SURVIVOR: GUATEMALA -- THE MAYA EMPIRE, Thursday, Oct. 6 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

Nakum and Yaxha come together for a forum that reveals the state of their tribes. In an unexpected twist, the two tribes are switched around. One castaway gets a big scare when something nibbles on his toes while he is dangling them in the crocodile-infested waters. A very close Immunity Challenge leads into a tense Tribal Council that has the potential to end with a tie or a major betrayal.

And, the fourth member is voted out of the tribe.
 

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2005, 10:16:29 AM »
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I agree, River.  The teams seem so unbalanced.  At least if they're gonna put most of the strong members on one tribe, the challenges should be balanced between brains & brawn.  That way, each tribe gets a chance to shine.

 :nods: And I bet that's exactly what Burnett/Probst and the gang at CBS were thinking when they put this coming weeks little 'meeting of the tribes' forum together Swanne..I mean how could they afford to let it come up and bite them in the   ]t{ again...after bringing back Steph and Bobby Jon for exactly that same reason it would look pretty foolish to have a repeat performance in Guatemala.

And yea River...you'd think the CBS 's  w/could've seen this one coming...and put out more equal looking tribes fronm the get go..but noooooooooooooooo..never without the

Should be very very interesting  ]//{

Hmmm... wonder who the new tribes will consist of..

maybe    :)*


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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2005, 03:19:56 PM »
Buffs & stuff , thanks to Aka Ives & Survivor Phoenix

Spears



Left Rafe ~ Right Blake



Steph yellow buff



Jamie  Buffo-matic

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2005, 03:40:07 PM »
That's not buff-o-matic at work, puddin.  Doncha know, Mark Burnett now insists that they dye the edges of their faces to match their buffs {l{
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2005, 03:57:06 PM »
 ^/^ And a bad job at that Swanee ..
Well are we going with the spoliers this week?
Looks like


YAXHA
Margaret
Gary
Brian
Amy
Blake


NAKUM
Judd
Stephenie
Rafe
Jamie

QUESTIONABLE

Danni
Bobby Jon
Cindy
Brooke
Lydia

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2005, 03:58:57 PM »
love this one from quartzeye!! also notice more Buffo-Matic around the hairline  {l{


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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2005, 05:08:36 PM »
..I was thinking it went 4 from each team get switched ( funny Steph was wishing she was on a different tribe and the TPTB grant her , her wish )
And TPTB means *(^   ????

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2005, 06:15:33 PM »
The Powers That Be ..= EPMB = Evil Pecker Mark Burnett  ^/^

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2005, 06:51:50 PM »
Ah puddin, thanks!   |#'  I knew that...just drew a blank!  ]][


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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2005, 06:53:07 PM »

Well are we going with the spoliers this week?

Hey, why end a perfectly good losing streak? :)*
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2005, 07:10:04 PM »
That's not buff-o-matic at work, puddin. Doncha know, Mark Burnett now insists that they dye the edges of their faces to match their buffs {l{
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2005, 07:14:48 PM »
Yeah Swanee n' puddin...why end a perfectly good losing streak?  I say go for it!!   |#'

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2005, 12:45:23 PM »

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2005, 01:22:21 PM »
Uh Oh!  ^^^
 (%# Looks like Blake's in the Voted Off position
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2005, 02:06:02 PM »
Blake it is  |#'

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2005, 06:14:43 PM »
Yeah, but the big question is....What tribe is Blake on when he gets voted off???? *(^
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2005, 08:30:45 PM »
Yaxha !!

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2005, 09:46:44 PM »
Do we think Blake?  majory betrayal....you think steph or BJ would turn on each other?

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2005, 11:16:31 PM »
BJ & Steph are suppose to make merge  :headhunter: . My guess is that its Margaret ,now on Yaxha with Blake, that says" To Betray or Not To Betray" ?? .

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2005, 10:57:08 AM »
Oh good, we'll finally get a title that Brandon doesn't say!
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2005, 11:10:18 AM »
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2005, 03:18:48 AM »
Well are we going with the spoliers this week?
Looks like YAXHA
Margaret
Gary
Brian
Amy
Blake
NAKUM
Judd
Stephenie
Rafe
Jamie
QUESTIONABLE
Danni
Bobby Jon
Cindy
Brooke
Lydia
Where does Brandon fit in this list??  He stays in Nakum?  *(^  So that gives each tribe 5.

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2005, 08:12:38 AM »
 `/~ Bobby Jon and four girls????????? How unfair would that be? I hope he whines worse than Steph.  _-^

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2005, 11:48:55 AM »
Who is Blake in an alliance with?  Anyone?  Or has he been too busy puking to even plot? ]:,
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2005, 12:34:27 PM »
With all the tribe switching, and lack of challenge vidcaps, and well EPMB just being mean and not giving us anything this has been a lot like season 1 all over again.  I HAVE NO CLUE WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT!!!!!! and I kinda like it!!!!!!! 

Well Im gonna break mold this week and just go with what everone else is saying So basically tribes get swittched around and hopefully Blake goes home (Although he has actually done well in challenges, his camp demanor will probably do him in; In my opinion I think he hasnt really been that sick I think hes playing it up some but I also think he is showing to much strength in challenges and they will want him gone)  So if its not Blake then that will make 3 straight weeks were everyone is pretty much wrong. 

IM interested in how the switch the tribes up with an odd number????   which tribe witll get the extra person?????  will the extra person be eliminated????  They somthing will happen that has never happened before, but that could be the nibbling on the toes with the crocs???? or anything Lets remember last season that Tom did something no one had done before in killing a shark?????  The commercial writers obvioulsly missed Hatch killing  the shark in All Stars.   So my guess is its something we have seen before????


can anyone say pick'em game???????????????

and I wouldn't count Brandon out uttering the title in this Episode either.
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2005, 02:49:24 PM »
Why am I not into this season ?  (%# I'm to lazy to spoil so again I will just go with the sppiling sites.. why figure it out when the work is already done for you ?
What TDT says about the Tablet Challenge

Is there a challenge as well? It's not clear. The Survivors have tribal color-coded tablets. Perhaps the "challenge" is a trick to get them to switch tribes. We initially thought the shots of Margaret and Judd looking unhappy (bottom row, below) might indicate a contact-from-home-type reward, but we'll concede we can't see how that fits with a tribal swap. Plus they've only been gone for two weeks (eight days in the game). 

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2005, 03:01:21 PM »
Oh and TDT's bootlist

(Nakum/Yellow )
Rafe
Jamie
Stephanie
Bobby Jon
Brandon
Cindy
Brook

 Yaxha ( Blue)
 
Brian
Gary
Lydia
Amy
Danni
Margaret
Judd
Blake

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2005, 05:13:39 PM »
Well Puddin if your gonna gimmie tribe divisions then ill say if this was old school survivor then Lydia would be in trouble because Kimmie would run her mouth about her getting votes at past TC's.  But Ill say that Gary goes home the question is does Brian betray???? or does Gary loose to Blake in the Sudden Death round.
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2005, 06:41:07 PM »
I am really curious why they would start voting out stronger guys, when they are only at day 8?  THere are quite a few more Immunity Challenges as a tribe before individual immunity threats should be taken out.

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2005, 12:33:26 AM »
Corvis picks Gary !
That was my first hinky and I'm now thinking of switching my pick .. what the heck ? My scores suck anyway  ^/^

Wednesday, October 05, 2005
Who goes home in Episode 4?

Well, that's a good question. Honestly, I am not sure. Sure, there's a strong feeling on the boards that Blake goes next, but if you remember, I had a weight loss spoiler for him. I haven't heard much from that person for a while, which could mean

1) He or she got in trouble for passing along (presumedly) accurate information
2) I've been Seraphaem-ed (that means a hoaxer sent me false information for the fun of it)

Confessional analysis likes Gary for the boot. And, well, so do I. I know it seems kind of obvious since they're playing up the "Hey, aren't you a QB?" angle in the previews. They're milking it. Is it misdirection? Or is just that there's only one more week to pull in the football fans before Gary goes home?

Also, we have this CBS website hint:

A very close Immunity Challenge leads into a tense Tribal Council that could end with a tie or a major betrayal.

Even after the tribes are switched around (see other website hint), the assumption is that we'll have the same number on each tribe. That's what usually happens. To have the possibility for a tie (barring something strange like a 3-3-1 vote), the tribe that ends up with 8 people has to go to Tribal Council. Right now, we know the following:

nuYaxha
Gary
Amy
Blake
Margaret

nuNakum
Rafe
Stephenie
Jamie
Bobby Jon
Danni

Quartzeye made a great observation at MESS which shows BJ's hat in a shot with Jamie. That would put them together on Nakum. And if Margaret is the one confronting Gary about his football past, it probably means Danni isn't around, so she's on nuNakum.

One other thing we can pretty much assume is that four original Yaxha end up on the same tribe. If the split was five on tribe and three on the other, the chance of a tie seems really, really unlikely. So either Brian or Lydia both end up on nuYaxha (and that's the tribe that goes to TC) or one is on nuNakum (and they go to TC) and one is on nuYaxha. Let's fill in some gaps with total speculation. Why not, right? I am going to go with the assumption that nuYaxha gets the even number and goes to Tribal Council because Gary appears to be in danger of getting booted due to his lie and the only way we'd see that is if nuYaxha was heading to Tribal Council. So that puts Lydia and Brian on nuYaxha. It's far harder to figure out which two Nakum goes to nuYaxha: Judd, Brandon, Cindy, or Brooke. I'm going to go with Judd (because the yellow buff he's wearing in the preview looks new and he's happy which probably means he's not in a possible tie situation) and Brooke (just... because) staying at Nakum which sends Cindy and Brandon to nuYaxha.

nuYaxha
Gary
Amy
Brian
Lydia
Blake
Margaret
Cindy
Brandon

nuNakum
Rafe
Stephenie
Jamie
Bobby Jon
Danni
Brooke
Judd

Let's look at the tribal dynamics of nuYaxha. Blake, Margaret, and Cindy were not in the majority alliance (were they in a minority alliance?) at Nakum. Brandon (who just separated from his entire alliance) understands the importance of alliances and will likely pull his Nakum tribemates together. Brian and Lydia are tight. Gary and Amy are aligned.

Since we'll probably see a tie, we can assume that the four Nakum stick together and the four Yaxha stick together. The Yaxha alliance will likely target Margaret, the weakest member of the Nakum who got switched. Nakum will probably target Gary, using his lies as a reason for his tribemates to turn on him. So really, the question is does Brian, Lydia or Amy turn on Gary? All it takes is one of them. Lydia probably wouldn't do it. She has a strong pact with Gary. Amy sees Gary as the only member of her alliance still on the tribe and probably doesn't want to lose him. Which leaves Brian, who considers himself a master player, the puppeteer of his tribe. I think the temptation to backstab Gary will be too strong to resist. He wants to play the game and is arrogant enough to believe that he can pull it off. So I think Brian turns on Gary.

I am far from certain, but I definitely think Gary goes home pre-merge. Of course, I also think Blake is pre-merge, so I wouldn't be shocked to see him go. If he does, it'll probably be one of the original Nakum turning on him and rationalizing that he's been weak since the beginning and can't hack it. But I'm going with Gary.



Oh yeah, and nuNakum wins the IC. There is no RC - just a tribal switch.

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2005, 01:25:45 AM »
Why you keep changing the boot list? You're driving me loopy! )_^>
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2005, 04:59:26 AM »
Corvis makes a lot of sense, but I don't know.  I think the best thing for me right now is to give it up & maybe I won't be so "loopy" braindead in a few hours!  :roll:  I thot it was Blake for sure & made my picks yesterday for one game w/ a 25% early bird bonus. Will decide after some shuteye...if I'm gonna change my picks.
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2005, 05:43:34 AM »
I still think Lydia. Eight days ino the game is a little early to start voting off strong players. I like Lydia but unless she wins the mental challenge for them and saves her hide i just can't see them voting off Blake instead. The whole purpose of EPMB was to give Yaxha some strength.  *(^   My second guess would be Gary.  If he makes them mad enough and they think he has millions poked away in a bank account somewhere. Personally, I would probably go for Rafe or Brian if I was going to vote a guy off. I dusted my hands of Rafe/Brian??? whichever one couldn't pull themselves up onto the net in the first challenge. Yeah, I know the difference, just can't remember which one it was. LOL Don't care for either of them.

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« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2005, 12:17:12 PM »
I still have no idea. Last week most were saying Amy, yet she stayed.  *(^ I would think Gary would make sense, if he and Danni end up on the same team.

River- It was Rafe who could pull himself up. Wonder who he has an alliance with for not being on the block that night?
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2005, 03:41:35 PM »
Lydia should make jury or final 4

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2005, 05:08:17 PM »
And they would be right when everyone else is wrong because------------????  )<

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2005, 06:19:12 PM »
Because VolcanicGlass knows his/her stuff  |#'

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2005, 06:19:26 PM »
I miss snewser!
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2005, 06:28:14 PM »
I'd like to get busy with Snewser ..mmmm Sera too .. what a sandwich that would make  ;;)

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« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2005, 06:32:46 PM »
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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #60 on: October 06, 2005, 06:36:25 PM »
  :nods:

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Re: EP 4 Title ~" To Betray or Not To Betray"
« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2005, 09:02:31 AM »
Because VolcanicGlass knows his/her stuff  |#'
Her...and you are right about that, puddin.  Even the best spoilers don't get it 100% and, if you're going to trust a spoiler, VG's got the track record (and the contacts) to trust.


 

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