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ep 5 tribal council
« on: March 13, 2005, 05:24:41 PM »
Episode 5 Tribal Council:† †
 
The episode title is: "The Best and Worst Reward Ever!".† According to the challenge storyboard spoiler for Episode 5:† 14 Survivors remain in the game, the reward is "vote for other team at tribal".† Therefore there is no immunity challenge but there is a double tribal council.† †The winner of the reward will get to attend the other tribe's TC and vote one from that tribe off.† They must also vote off one of their own.† Hence, "The Best and Worst Reward Ever!".† †Koror should have no problem winning this challenge as their players are dominant in water challenges.† Koror will therefore vote off one player from Ulong and one player from their tribe.† Speculated boots:† Mersaydeez (a message board poster) has spilled that Angie and Willard showed up at Loser Lodge at the same time, which means they were most likely the double boot victims.† Angie from Ulong as been dominating the Koror females, although Steph is very athletic.† Angie, however, has been very physical in the contact challenges and "in your face" after winning her matches.† She is likely to be the target.† †Willard, who has surprisingly little airtime, is the weakest Koror and the man without an alliance.† Expect to see Angie and Willard as the Episode 5 boots.† †
 

i haven't seen this posted, so i hope i am not duplicating here!! )_^>  thanks to survivor fever for this
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Re: ep 5 tribal council
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2005, 05:39:29 PM »
thanks gammy ! thank you a million times for helping us spoil Survior much appreciated and that is great info |*|
 yes yes Koror wins† ]][ RC and the reward is they get to choose( or a individual form Koror chooses who they want to boot ) at TC from Ulong < Angie>..don't you think its like MB went OK .. lets just get this over with ..Ulong dug there own grave now be gone  ?
Another thought suggested by TDT..part of the reward may be kidnapping a member of the other tribe..say maybe Koror kidnaps† BJ ?† *(^


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Re: ep 5 tribal council
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2005, 06:26:52 PM »
Survivor Thoughts from Iowa (mostly) Tuesday, March 08, 2005
Two Boots Are Better Than One
Thereís a great deal of discussion at Blows about Episode 5. Our handy-dandy challenge chart shows that it is a two-day episode with double tribal councils. (You can find a nice thread discussing the challenge board here.) There is a reward challenge, with the reward being ďVOTE FOR: OTHER TEAM @ TRIBALĒ. In addition, we have the Mersaydeez spoiler that says Angie and Willard arrive at Loser Lodge at the same time as a result of the double boot episode.

Most people seem to be assuming that it is a group reward, and as such a lot of the argument going on right now focuses on why Angie and Willard would be the targets of the opposing tribes. (You can find some of that discussion here.) Iím in a different camp Ė I donít think itís a group reward, but rather an individual reward. But letís look at it more closely.

There are three possible scenarios here: Group challenge where the entire winning group votes at the other teamís tribal council, group challenge where one member of the winning group gets to vote at the other teamís tribal council, and individual challenge where the winning individual gets to vote at the other teamís tribal council.

The first scenario is the scenario that seems to be getting the most attention, and yet it seems to me to be the most unlikely. First off, what kind of reward is it where your team wins but still has to go to Tribal Council? Thatís not much of a reward, even if you get to decide which member of the other team goes. Second, are we really going to have a 15 person Tribal Council? The set isnít that big. And why would you even need to go to Tribal Council? Why not just ask after the challenge ďWho do you want to boot?Ē and boot that person? Finally, isnít that an awful lot of power to give one tribe over another tribe? Isnít that blatantly unfair to not give a person at least a shot of avoiding the boot by trying to put together an alliance to vote off someone else? After all, if both tribes are going to Tribal, both tribes will want to be spending the afternoon trying to decide. And shouldnít there be at least one person on the losing tribe whoís immune to being voted off? Indeed, if both tribes are going to Tribal, shouldnít there be an immune person on both tribes? Forget about the unlikelihood of Koror voting off Angie or Ulong voting off Willard under this scenario. The whole scenario is unlikely.

The second scenario doesnít strain credulity quite as much. Itís still a group challenge, but the winning group selects one person to represent them at the other teamís Tribal. That person would spend the day with the losing tribe, go their Tribal, and vote for one of the members of the losing tribe. A couple of problems here, though. First off, itís still not much of a group reward. You won the challenge, yet youíre still going to Tribal. Also, the same problems with no Immunity arise. Whoís immune at the losing tribe? You canít let the person from the winning tribe both decide who gets immunity and vote. And whoís immune at the winning tribe? The person chosen to go? Then they get immunity for no reason other than they were chosen. While there arenít as many problems here as under scenario one, there are still problems, and they are still major problems.

The final scenario is the most plausible. For one thing, this is pretty much the exact same thing they did in Vanuatu with the exception that the winner of the individual challenge gets to vote instead of confer immunity. Thereís still the question of who gets immunity at the losing tribe, but you can take care of that by making two winners, one from each tribe. (Weíve already seen that they have two immunity idols.) Each tribeís winner gets immunity at their own TC and gets to vote at the other tribeís TC. Itís easy to see how Angie and Willard get booted under this scenario. Assuming Ulong is down to Angie, Steph, James, Bobby Jon, and Ibe at this point, and assuming Angie doesnít win immunity, she becomes the obvious choice for the boot from the rest of Ulong. (Though there might be some discussion that Angie is stronger than Ibe, which would advance the whole strong being decimated aspect.) Itís also easy to see why Willard would be voted off by the rest of Koror no matter who the Ulong person voted for.

So thatís my take. The upcoming Episode 5 dual boot is based on individual immunity, not group. Iím probably wrong, of course, but Iím sticking with it until the available evidence proves me wrong.

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Re: ep 5 tribal council
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2005, 06:43:10 PM »
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REWARD CHALLENGE/ "Sea Salvage" - Koror wins, gets to "Vote for other ? @ tribal"?
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Once again, going from the Palau challenge storyboard featured in the "Countdown to Survivor: Palau" (storyboard discussions: Sucks, Phoenix, Joker's Updates), this challenge appears to be titled "Sea Salvage." More importantly, the listed reward, while hard to read, appears to say something along the lines of "Vote for other tribe @ tribal." This also appears to feature a planned double boot. Thus the title of the episode: the RC winner will get to muck around with the other tribe's tribal council proceedings in some way, at the expense of booting one of their own. Choices, choices. (Although perhaps the episode title should be "The Best and Worst Tribes Ever.") The web promo verifies this, as Probst states, at the RC, "Win or lose, both tribes are going to tribal council tonight."

The challenge involves diving for white swimfloat-like objects, bringing them to the surface, and eventually some sort of rope-pulling exercise (pulling the collected objects from the small dock to the large one?). Koror appears to reach the rope-pulling stage before Ulong does. Who wins? Well, in addition to the apparent Koror in-challenge lead, while the black-and-white montage of Koror wins in the web promo is all recycled, the shot of Ulong under the word "Lose" (above, center) appears to be new, and features a wet and downtrodden-looking Ulong (especially Angie, compare to the pre-challenge shot below). Post-challenge? In-challenge, observinf a particularly pathetic Ulong diving attempt? Meh, doesn't really matter. Either way, looks like Koror wins.

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Re: ep 5 tribal council
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2005, 05:58:52 AM »
The spoilers seem to imply that both tribes attend the same TC together, at least partly.  What about the possibility that all of Koror votes for someone on Ulong, but no one on Ulong gets to vote? After [Angie] is voted off, the remaining Ulong leave, and Koror has to vote off [Willard]?


 

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