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Well I was going to wait untill next week to post some S10 spoilers but..now Snewser had his confirmator posted at SNN
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THE CONFIRMATOR RETURNS
Think you know someone on Survivor 10: Palau? Are you related to an actual contestant and just can't resist the urge to see your loved one's name pop up first on survivornews.net? Give it a shot.
SNN
Wednesday, December 8, 2004

The success of our previous confirmator for Survivor 9: Vanuatu was better than we could have hoped for. Every single contestant (with the exception of Chad and possibly the only one who knows how to keep his mouth shut) was guessed by an independent person somewhere out there in cyberspace. After hundreds of thousands of guesses (and a few scattered pearls from those with inside information) all 18 names were correctly revealed with your help before the official announcement.

Once again, from the most powerful halls of the showbiz empire, Deep Brute delivers with all of the names of Survivor 10: Palau.

Two have already been named correctly -- Texan lawyer Jolanda Jones, identified by ToastedCoconut, and Pennsylvanian student and counselor Ian Rosenberger, by PurpleRock (who'd have thunk it?).


The 10th cast appears to have a diverse flavor, ranging from the first Muslim person on Survivor, to a Las Vegas dancer.

If you think you know someone on the cast, then....

CLICK HERE TO TRY YOUR LUCK

Survivor 10: Palau will reportedly be airing in March. One may then reasonably conclude that CBS will officially release the names of the contestants sometime in February. Expect the castaways to be back in the United States this weekend. Filming in Palau may be wrapped by the time you read this.
http://www.survivornews.net/news.php?id=1060

Confimator here~
http://www.survivornews.net/guess_s10er.php

#  First  Last  Found On  By 
1  Ian  Rosenberger  2004-09-14 17:17:00  PurpleRock 
2  Jolanda  Jones  2004-11-08 11:10:00  ToastedCoconut 
3  Janu  Tornell  2004-12-09 13:01:22  tribephyl 
4  Will  Smith  2004-12-09 16:09:00  DarthXenu 
5  James  Miller  2004-12-10 13:31:37  Anonymous 
6  Jeff  Wilson  2004-12-10 16:58:55  DarthXenu 
7  Caryn  Groedel  2004-12-11 10:15:04  Anonymous 
8  Katie  Gallagher  2004-12-12 22:35:14  Not Mark Burnett 
9  Coby  Archa  2004-12-13 06:59:31  Anonymous 
10  Bobby  Drinkard  2004-12-14 16:30:32  Anonymous 
11  Jonathan  Libby  2004-12-15 11:55:55  Anonymous 
12  Wanda  Shirk  2004-12-16 16:12:47  MacadamiaNut 
13  Ashlee  Ashby  2004-12-16 16:18:28  LadyIreneAdler 
14  Ibrehem  Rahman  2004-12-16 18:11:21  teneleven 
15  Stephenie  LaGrossa  2004-12-17 15:51:23  Anonymous 
16  Tom  Westman  2004-12-17 16:44:07  Anonymous 
17  KIMBERLY  Mullen  2004-12-19 20:50:30  MattB 
18  jennifer  Lyon  2004-12-24 22:41:57  Anonymous 
19  Gregg  Carey  2004-12-26 21:12:17  Anonymous 


Information from tvjunkie44, who spoke with a woman involved in production:

-This season's cast is "HOT"
-Two older (50/60s) contestants
-Flambouyant gay male in his 30s..believes he goes pretty far (open to interpretation)
-Two black, rest white (or look white), no asian
-First few minutes really are "brutal"
-One challenge involves tribes tied to each other, carrying bags of rice on their backs, walking on water
-Las Vegas woman, Muslim, & Texan confirmed
-S10 may start in Feb instead of after the Super Bowl
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Modified and updated 1/2/05
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2004, 06:17:44 PM »
Information was found at and thanks to   Sucks and of course Snewser ..


Cassandra "Angie" Jakusz, 24, Bartender/Artist, New Orleans, Louisiana

* Also described as a "female Lex" - possibly our first heavily tattooed female contestant
* Both arms are said to be fully covered in tattoos
* Does watercolor paintings
* Described as a packrat and is antisocial
* Reads a lot
* Loves bugs and has a strange obsession with circuses

Elusive Bartender Finally Found!

By: Amanda Davis ( amanda_davis_us5@yahoo.com)
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January 3, 2005


Contributors: biancaxxx, ultimatesurvivor5


Firstly, congratulations to biancaxxx for her excellent work this season and for correctly guessing the full name of “Angie” on Survivor News’ Confirmator to be Cassandra Jacusz.

Over the past few days, details have been pouring in about the “female Lex” who bartends at a popular New Orleans night club. After many hours of hard work and research, by both biancaxxx and myself, as well as many others, biancaxxx was the first to guess her name. The woman, who was known by “Angie” (her middle name) on the show, is described by one source as “obnoxious”, but also “someone who will talk to you about anything”.

“She has this punch that knocks me flat every time, and she’ll pick you up and give you another one. What a trooper!” claims one of her friends from the Lounge Lizards bar, where she works.

While there are no pictures of her (yet), we know that she has long dark hair and glasses, and has her arms fully "sleeved" with tattoos. She sometimes braids her hair and is also said to have several piercings. She is also an artist and enjoys creating watercolor paintings. Reading is also one of her favorite hobbies. She also makes her own clothes.

She is said to have a strange obsession with “bugs and circuses” and is reportedly very good at “working people” and “haggling” with them. She has never owned a car and bikes to and from work, so she should be in fairly good shape.

“Angie” has a very close relationship with her parents, but rarely sees her brother, who is in the army. She is currently in a committed relationship.

How will this self-described “pack-rat” fare on Survivor: Palau? We have a potential boot spoiler, but until then, you’ll have to wait until February 3, when Survivor: Palau is expected to premiere on CBS.

Edited by: ultimatesurvivor5 at: 1/2/05 10:09 pm

Katie Gallagher, 20s?, ??, ??

A possible Katie Gallagher was posted by valleybiatch:

*Katie Gallagher, 29?, Radio Advertising, Merced, California?

Looks like this Katie Gallagher is the correct one. Thanks to valley biatch for this information:

* Went to high school in Irvine, California
* Went to Monmouth University in New Jersey
* Worked with kids as a camp counselor
* Taught outdoor education
* Enjoys musical theatre, camping, hiking, and traveling
* Performs in local theatre
* Single
* Blonde
* Medium-build
* Large chest
*Her friends in the theater and at the radio station said she left at the end of October for a "vacation."
*Got back 2 weeks ago
*Residents of Merced are saying that she was on a reality show (Survivor or Apprentice)

* Semi-finalist for Survivor 3
* Applied for Survivor 10

* Eighth contestant on Survivor News' Confirmator by Not Mark Burnett.
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Jennifer Lyon, Probably late 20s - Early 30s, ??, ??

* Too many Jennifer Lyons to narrow down, but she might be an theatre actress from Philadelphia.

* Eighteenth name on Survivor News' Confirmator by an anonymous sleuth

Gregg Carey, 27, Business Consultant, Ashland/Brighton, Massachusetts (lives in Chicago)


* Hometown is Ashland, Massachusetts - has also lived in Brighton, MA and currently lives in Chicago (see below)
* Tall, with dark hair and dark eyes.
* Always the "life of the party".
* Very likeable and funny.
* "He's brilliant and a total ham".
* Moved to Chicago partly for business reasons
* Plays(/ed) baseball and football.
* Very athletic - huge sports fan in general.
* Competed in an adventure race 3 years ago.
* Went to University of Pennsylvania. (class of 1999)
* School of Engineering and Applied Sciences at Penn.
* Was in Friars Senior Society in university.
* "America is going to love him."

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* Nineteenth name on Survivor News' Confirmator by an anonymous sleuth


Kimberly Mullen, 22 Fashion Model, Dublin, Ohio

• Former Miss Ohio
• Once spent sixteen hours in the rugged mountains of Greece, with no running water, doing a South Korean car commercial
• SCUBA Certified
• 5'8"
• Favourite movie - "Breakfast at Tiffany's"
• Favourite song - "Total Eclipse of the Heart" by Bonnie Tyler
• Favourite holiday - Fourth of July
• Would want to bring her laptop (wouldn't happen) or pillow case with her as her luxury item
• Nickname is "Kymber"
• Lost a friend to ovarian cancer, so has since worked against the disease
• Was in the movie "Any Given Sunday"
• Grew up in a military (Air Force) family
• Wants to become an ambassador for US Foreign Service

• Seventeenth contestant on Survivor News' Confirmator by MattB.



Please note that this may not be the Kim Mullen that appears on Survivor. At this early stage, she seems the most likely, however
Tom Westman, 40, Firefighter, Sayville, New York

Thanks to BingBabe and Survivor Shrine for the following information:

* Has three children: one daughter and two boys. (I don't want to post their names for personal reasons)
* His daughter lost her hearing due to childhood meningitis. She has since had cochlear implants.
* Described as "amazing, funny, friendly, and loyal"
* He loves to tell stories.
* He went to SUNY Binghamton.
* The photo of him with Richard Gere and Harrison was ford was taken at the Madison Square Garden Benefit for the NYC Fire Dept. after 9/11
* He was also photographed with the Who and the Rolling Stones
* He loves Jimmy Buffet
* Enjoys running, skiing, and swimming
* "Makes a mean jambalaya"

* Has a deaf child.
* Has competed in marathons.
* Is a novice skier..
* Wife's name is Bernadette.
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Ashlee Ashby, 22, ??, Easley, South Carolina

• 5'4", 116 pounds
• Born in May 1982

• Thirteenth contestant on Survivor News' Confirmator by LadyIreneAdler.

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Wanda R. Shirk, 55?, English Teacher?, Ulysses, Pennsylvania?

• Has a 23 year-old son, Shawn, and a daughter named Dawn
• Husband's name is William
• A vacancy at her school for this position was recently filled
• Has led local hikes
• Author of religious books
• Owns a hunting cabin
• Twelvth contestant on Survivor News' Confirmator by MacadamiaNut.


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Jonathan Libby, ??, ??, ??

• Eleventh name on Survivor News' Confirmator by an anonymous sleuth

Stephenie LaGrossa, 25,(Born Dec. 16, 1979) Glenolden, Pennsylvania

* 5'4"
* Plays lacrosse and field hockey
* Went to Archbishop Prendergast Catholic High School (an all women school)
* Went to Monmouth University.
* Very nice, honest, and popular (someone who knows her said they do not think she would lie)
* Extremely athletic and competitive
* Quiet (someone who knows her said they could see her being portrayed like Erin)


* Fifteenth contestant on Survivor News' Confirmator by an anonymous sleuth

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Ibrehem Rahman , 27,, Model, Birmingham, Alabama

• 6'3", 195 pounds
• Wants to open a health food supermarket
• Appeared in the September 2004 issue of Cosmopolitan - "Guy Without His Shirt On"

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 **:)**
Ian Rosenberger


Ian Rosenberger, 23, Student & Camp Counselor, Ambridge, PA

• Is Student President at Pennsylvania State University
• Certified Lifeguard, Scuba Diver and Eagle Scout
• Has written articles for the New York Times, USA Today,
Washington Post, CNN, MTV, etc.
• Used to work on a farm
• Directed the play, “Jesus Christ Superstar” at Penn State in
2002
• Worked with “at-risk” adolescent campers in areas such as
leadership, team-building, communication, etc.
• Has a Bachelor’s Degree in Agricultural Science

• Incredibly charming and charismatic
• Is very tall (6’7”-ish)

• Made Final 20-24 for Palau (was told by another camp counselor)
• Tried out for the Amazing Race
• Name was released during Vanuatu off-season, as well
• First name on Survivor News' Confirmator.

* This possible contestant was posted by PurpleRock at Surviiivor, NamasteAussie at Sucks, eandp at TwoP.


 Links~
http://portfolio.psu.edu/gallery/iar1041.shtml
http://www.edusite.nl/edusite/columns/12968
http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.17791/article_detail.asp



Janu Tornell ?


Janu Tornell, 39, Dancer/Showgirl, Las Vegas, Nevada


The following information can be found on Google:
• Was Miss Nevada in 1989.
• Appeared on Wheel of Fortune on Feb. 27, with her best friend Kirsten Wollner and won $8600 (which they split).
• Dances at the Tropicana in the "Best of the Folies-Bergère".
• Appeared on Inside Edition and traded places with a librarian for one day.

• 5'10" - (from Mickey Knocks)
• Her parents' names are Maria (also a former dancer, whose stage name was Ramy Blues) and Juan.
• Her name is probably derived from her father's name and therefore may be pronounced Wah-new. (like Juan).

• Third contestant on Survivor News' Confirmator by tribephyl.

Jolanda Jones ?

Jolanda Jones, 39, Lawyer, Entrepreneur, Inspirational Speaker, Houston, Texas
• Scheduled to resume work on her cases December 21th. This would give her about 10 days to recover.

The following information is from stelkel:

Jolanda has overcome tremendous obstacles in her life to become such a successful woman and has many great accomplishments:

• She was with her father when he committed suicide.
• Her brother was murdered and she competed in the Olympic trials just two weeks laters.
• She has survived domestic abuse.
• She mentors at-risk youth.
• She helped shut down a corrupt Houston Police Dept. DNA Crime Lab.
• She was inducted into the Houston University Hall of Honor.
• She was the recipient of the TEW Women on the Move Award for professionalism & charity work.

• Has a younger sister , whom she is very close to, and also a Track and Field athlete, and another sibling - Names edited out, but will eventually appear in her bio
• Divorced, with at least one child
• Involved in track and field (long jump, heptathlon) and basketball
• Is African American
• Approximately 6' tall
• Has participated in Pan America games and the Olympic trials
• Was absent at an assembly last week where she was to receive an athletic award. ("Out of the country.")
• Graduated magna cum laude from college
• Holds national records (not in long jump)
• Nominated for a Rhodes Scholarship
• Ran for a political office in 2003, but lost
• Specializes in leadership and team building
• A member of committees against domestic violence and homelessness
• Print and broadcast media personality
• Grew up in the "ghetto" in a single-parent household
• MindOH has a detailed bio of her.

• Was allegedly sighted at LA Finals.
• She has known since October 15 that she would be out of the country for November and part of December.
• Second contestant on Survivor News' Confirmator.

* This possible contestant was posted by ToastedCoconut at Pygmy Island.


Caryn M. Groedel, 46, Attorney, Solon, Ohio

• Has participated in several marathons.
• Husband (Howard) is also an attorney.
• Jewish.
• Has three daughters.

The following information from WatchMeNext:

• 5'6", 120 pounds
• Brown hair and brown eyes
• Wears glasses and/or contacts

• Seventh contestant on Survivor News' Confirmator by Anonymous.

  Survivor 10: Contestants - New - Bobby Drinkard/Pic of Caryn
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 Greetings all, for another fun-filled contestant spoiling season!!

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CONFIRMED CONTESTANTS


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Bobby Drinkard, 27?, Model?, Troy, Alabama?

• Could be an elderly man (early 50s or 60s) from Alabama, New Mexico, or Texas, but most likely a 27 year-old model from Troy Alabama living in Los Angeles.

• Tenth contestant on Survivor News' Confirmator by an anonymous source

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Coby D. Archa, 32, Actor, Dallas/Midland, Texas

• Has acted in local performances theatre performances
• 6'4"
• Middle name is Dearl
• Has previously lived in North Carolina
• Has a (minor...?) criminal record

• Ninth contestant on Survivor New' Confirmator by Anonymous.

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Jeff Wilson, ??, ??, ??


• Name is too common! There are currently no leads.

• Sixth contestant on Survivor News' Confirmator by Darth Xenu. NOTE: Name originally appeared as Jeffrey Wilson.


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James Miller, ??, ??, ??


• Name is too common! There are currently no leads.

• Fifth contestant on Survivor News' Confirmator by an anonymous sleuth.


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Will Smith, ??, ??, ??


Willard Smith, 57, Lawyer, Seattle, Washington

* Wife is named Pam.
* Works at Seligmann, Beckerman & Flaherty
* Big fan of Survivor

Thanks to Griffe for the following information:
* 5'9", 175 pounds
* In good shape
* Has grey hair
* Wears glasses
* Is friendly


• Name is way too common! There are no leads out of the seemingly thousands of Will Smiths. NOTE: Name originally appeared as Bill Smith.

• Fourth contestant on Survivor News' Confirmator by DarthXenu.

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Re: We have S10 Spoilers
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2004, 11:06:01 PM »
YIKES!!!!!!!!!!! Janu scared the heck out of me. Talk about aliens??

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Re: We have S10 Spoilers
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2004, 04:40:30 PM »
We have another name

5  james  Miller  2004-12-10 13:31:37  Anonymous 

Oh come on River  ..she not any scarier looking than Eliza  :)* .. Those EYES ?:)

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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2004, 05:33:55 PM »
Hold the phone S10 is already done...........why so long until march......

I Expect to see previews this Sunday......lol


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Re: We have S10 Spoilers
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2004, 01:10:37 PM »
fwiw~ my BF is going to do some research on Ian Rosenberger. He umm works for the State of Pa. *wink*

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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2004, 08:27:53 PM »
Hint Hint.....lol :D

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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2004, 09:33:06 PM »
Thanks puddin....... O0


Will Smith.....I know him  lol     I, robot

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Re: Slight Spoilers , SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2004, 09:47:04 PM »
 :)_{}

Found a concept map @ http://www.claycritters.com/map/survivor_10_map.htm
The map belongs to and was made by  Dan Bollinger  (#)


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Re: Slight Spoilers , SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2004, 03:53:12 AM »
 ?:)? The map has "tribal camps" and "merger." Interesting?

What is up with CBS having models/actors on their show? Can't they find people that are hard-working and need the cash and not these struggling dreamers? Oh, I guess the hard-worker can't afford to take the time off to piddle around on an island.
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2004, 07:30:05 AM »
You mean like Twila, and to some extent Chris, Rory, Travis, etc???  :\/

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Re: Slight Spoilers , SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2004, 12:11:33 PM »
Take the map for what its worth ..Dan will update it as he gets more info .


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What is up with CBS having models/actors on their show? Can't they find people that are hard-working and need the cash and not these struggling dreamers? Oh, I guess the hard-worker can't afford to take the time off to piddle around on an island.
I don't mind the cast so far  ;;)

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Re: Slight Spoilers , SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2004, 01:16:03 PM »
You mean like Twila, and to some extent Chris, Rory, Travis, etc??? 

This last season wasn't to bad, but look at TAR and the new line-up so far.

nice chart puddin. thanks!
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Re: Slight Spoilers , SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2004, 06:30:21 PM »
TDT has updated their site ,
 Palau Spoiler's
http://truedorktimes.com/s10/spoilers/

ARRIVAL/ Speculation
Well, we've all seen or heard the hype (see above) about a "dramatic" change in the game. But we're not biting, apart from the obvious change of 20 players.  As you can see below, the preview featured a boat with 10 paddles, suggesting we'll be getting two tribes of 10. *Yawn*. Apart from that, the only obvious spoiler info in the preview was an image of (presumably a contestant) rowing using a paddle branded with a stingray logo.This suggests one of those two tribes may be called "Rrull," which is the Palauan word for stingray (also the name of a major chief from the 1920s). Fittingly, a stingray was a part of the Palauan fauna featured in the preview. Other solo animals shown included the sea turtle (uel or ngasech), octopus (bukitang), barracuda, shark (chedeng) and sea snake. We suspect the other tribe's name will likely be one of those, although we're partial to bukitang, 



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Re: Slight Spoilers , SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2004, 10:19:31 PM »
So all of these are not real names

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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2004, 10:32:23 PM »
Do you mean the Tribe Names JT? If so I really don't know ..

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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2004, 10:33:57 PM »
No the a players names

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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2004, 10:37:57 PM »
Oh they are real !! I tried several names .. the confirmantor will only accept real names..
we ought to have some great spoilers this season, as you can see the castaways are a bunch of blabber mouths ..they cant keep a secret ..how else would snewser know their names already ? rumor has it that a regular poster at sucks was a S10 contestant..shhhh

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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2004, 10:40:16 PM »
Oh well they sounded like spys or something.....lol

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Re: Slight Spoilers , SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2004, 05:10:02 AM »
I thought maybe it was the crew members. Yeap, looks like 2 teams. They must have IC right away!
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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2004, 06:50:25 AM »
Ok I don't KNOW Jolanda but I know of her. Yep, should be interesting. A dark, educated Twila?? OMG!!!  :()()

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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2004, 11:52:00 AM »
Ok I don't KNOW Jolanda but I know of her. Yep, should be interesting. A dark, educated Twila?? OMG!!! :()()
For real River ?? COOL  :D
 From what I've been reading she is one kickass Lawyer ..so she's the Twila type..how interesting , heres to assuming that she has great people skills  ..unlike Twila .  *()*

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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2004, 01:14:50 PM »
I alway thought lawyers should do well at this game. Especially, if they reach F2.
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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2004, 05:19:15 PM »
I got two possible tribe names here from an email that i got

Ulong (gold or yellow)
Koror (green or teal)

Hope these are right!!!!!

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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2004, 07:05:29 PM »
#  First  Last  Found On  By 
1  Ian  Rosenberger  2004-09-14 17:17:00  PurpleRock 
2  Jolanda  Jones  2004-11-08 11:10:00  ToastedCoconut 
3  Janu  Tornell  2004-12-09 13:01:22  tribephyl 
4  Will  Smith  2004-12-09 16:09:00  DarthXenu 
5  James  Miller  2004-12-10 13:31:37  Anonymous 
6  Jeff  Wilson  2004-12-10 16:58:55  DarthXenu 
7  Caryn  Groedel  2004-12-11 10:15:04  Anonymous 
8  Katie  Gallagher  2004-12-12 22:35:14  Not Mark Burnett 
9  Coby  Archa  2004-12-13 06:59:31  Anonymous 
10  Bobby  Drinkard  2004-12-14 16:30:32  Anonymous 
11  jonathan  Libby  2004-12-15 11:55:55  Anonymous 
12  Wanda  Shirk  2004-12-16 16:12:47  MacadamiaNut 
13  Ashlee  Ashby  2004-12-16 16:18:28  LadyIreneAdler 
14  Ibrehem  Rahman  2004-12-16 18:11:21  teneleven 



Ibrehem Rahman , 27,, Model, Birmingham, Alabama

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Wanda Shirk, is an English teacher in Ulysses, Pennsylvania. She majored in Bible at Wheaton College, Illinois, one of the leading Evangelical Bible colleges in America. In the next few pages we present some more of her excellent articles on the oneness of God. But first I share some excerpts from a letter she sent to me in which she describes her own spiritual growth in coming to understand that there is only one God - the Father.]

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Re: Slight Spoilers , SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2004, 06:32:27 AM »
YES!  **:)** A bible beater! (can I say that?) This is gonna be goooood!
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« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2004, 12:16:01 PM »
Thats what I called her too Chakeeta..I don't think its offensive ? 8-)'
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Update

#  First  Last  Found On  By 
1  Ian  Rosenberger  2004-09-14 17:17:00  PurpleRock 
2  Jolanda  Jones  2004-11-08 11:10:00  ToastedCoconut 
3  Janu  Tornell  2004-12-09 13:01:22  tribephyl 
4  Will  Smith  2004-12-09 16:09:00  DarthXenu 
5  James  Miller  2004-12-10 13:31:37  Anonymous 
6  Jeff  Wilson  2004-12-10 16:58:55  DarthXenu 
7  Caryn  Groedel  2004-12-11 10:15:04  Anonymous 
8  Katie  Gallagher  2004-12-12 22:35:14  Not Mark Burnett 
9  Coby  Archa  2004-12-13 06:59:31  Anonymous 
10  Bobby  Drinkard  2004-12-14 16:30:32  Anonymous 
11  Jonathan  Libby  2004-12-15 11:55:55  Anonymous 
12  Wanda  Shirk  2004-12-16 16:12:47  MacadamiaNut 
13  Ashlee  Ashby  2004-12-16 16:18:28  LadyIreneAdler 
14  Ibrehem  Rahman  2004-12-16 18:11:21  teneleven 
15  Stephenie  LaGrossa  2004-12-17 15:51:23  Anonymous 
16  Tom  Westman  2004-12-17 16:44:07  Anonymous 

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Re: Slight Spoilers , SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator,Updated !@16
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2004, 05:57:02 AM »
Whoa! We almost have them all. Any new pictures puddin?
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« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2004, 02:12:12 PM »
Long time Survivor Fan here, first time poster just trying to help out where I can.
Could this be our little Ashlee Ashby?????
http://exploretalent.com/model_page.php?talentnum=219347
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« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2004, 02:30:59 PM »
Can't find a picture of her but looks like Stephanie Lagrossa is from Glenolden Pa and played Lacross as Monmoth.   She is probably around 24 that is if this is the right person im getting this on.
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Re: Slight Spoilers , SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator,Updated !@16
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2004, 04:21:07 PM »
 **:)** thanks for the help CJ  *()* .

I've been trying to keep page 1 updated here..but, please feel free to add any new info . It;s very much appreciated  (#)
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php?topic=3962.msg43328#msg43328

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Re: Slight Spoilers , SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator,Updated !@16
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2004, 01:19:42 PM »
 :)_{} well I've done some more digging and seems like I've found some more info although most of it is probably useless.   Looks like Ashlee's middle initial is M and her official birthday is 05-02-82, and since no one else has said it I'm looking forward to seeing her. 

A small tidbit about Stephenie Lagrossa, looks like her mom's name is either Marguerite or Stephenie (can a female be a Jr?????). The reason I don't think the info I have is about our contestant even though they have the same name is becuase the birthday for her is 6-27-48 and thats why I think this is her mother, Marguerite was born in 46 so im thinking thats a sister ( the contestants aunt).  Hope all that makes some sense. 

Finally looks like the M is for Markowitz.  Caryn Markowitz Grodel that is.  However info I have has her being from Rockville, MD and her birthday as 08-13-58. 

Lastly its good to see pics of Stephenie, Ashlee, and hopefully thats the right Kimberly all three very cute and hopefully not man haters.  I mean Ami was indeed hot but she just got way annoying there at the end.  So heres for more Julie Berry's and less Scout's in this season and all the seasons to come.   *()*

Almost forgot could he be Jonathan E. Libby and could he be from Orlando FL hmmmmmmmmmmmm    ?:)?


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« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2004, 02:19:36 PM »
 :)_{} Thanks for the info CJ ..please keep us up to date with any new infomation . We really do appreciate it  :) That Tom Westman looks so familiar to me  ?:)?
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« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2004, 05:30:33 PM »
Snewser has a present on his site    Im thinking the other one is gonna be yellow or blue.  Glad to see the cammo look best buff ever by far.  More info here http://www.news.vu/en/ae/tvfilm/041220-Survivor-Palau-Buff-livens-web-traffick-in-Vanuatu.shtml .
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« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2004, 06:48:14 PM »
 :()() MB Will be pissed off ..lol Great find CJ  **:)**



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« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2004, 07:30:34 PM »
Kimberly Mullen , something for the guys  ;)



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« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2004, 10:42:55 PM »
March just cant come soon enough.  My first prediction Kim makes the Jury (how is any guy gonna vote that off in the early going???).
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« Reply #39 on: December 25, 2004, 02:30:38 PM »
 **:)**

  First  Last  Found On  By 
1  Ian  Rosenberger  2004-09-14 17:17:00  PurpleRock 
2  Jolanda  Jones  2004-11-08 11:10:00  ToastedCoconut 
3  Janu  Tornell  2004-12-09 13:01:22  tribephyl 
4  Will  Smith  2004-12-09 16:09:00  DarthXenu 
5  James  Miller  2004-12-10 13:31:37  Anonymous 
6  Jeff  Wilson  2004-12-10 16:58:55  DarthXenu 
7  Caryn  Groedel  2004-12-11 10:15:04  Anonymous 
8  Katie  Gallagher  2004-12-12 22:35:14  Not Mark Burnett 
9  Coby  Archa  2004-12-13 06:59:31  Anonymous 
10  Bobby  Drinkard  2004-12-14 16:30:32  Anonymous 
11  Jonathan  Libby  2004-12-15 11:55:55  Anonymous 
12  Wanda  Shirk  2004-12-16 16:12:47  MacadamiaNut 
13  Ashlee  Ashby  2004-12-16 16:18:28  LadyIreneAdler 
14  Ibrehem  Rahman  2004-12-16 18:11:21  teneleven 
15  Stephenie  LaGrossa  2004-12-17 15:51:23  Anonymous 
16  Tom  Westman  2004-12-17 16:44:07  Anonymous 
17  KIMBERLY  Mullen  2004-12-19 20:50:30  MattB 
18  jennifer  Lyon  2004-12-24 22:41:57  Anonymous 
Jennifer Lyon, ??, ??, ??

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« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2004, 12:24:58 AM »
#  First  Last  Found On  By  
1  Ian  Rosenberger  2004-09-14 17:17:00  PurpleRock  
2  Jolanda  Jones  2004-11-08 11:10:00  ToastedCoconut  
3  Janu  Tornell  2004-12-09 13:01:22  tribephyl  
4  Will  Smith  2004-12-09 16:09:00  DarthXenu  
5  James  Miller  2004-12-10 13:31:37  Anonymous  
6  Jeff  Wilson  2004-12-10 16:58:55  DarthXenu  
7  Caryn  Groedel  2004-12-11 10:15:04  Anonymous  
8  Katie  Gallagher  2004-12-12 22:35:14  Not Mark Burnett  
9  Coby  Archa  2004-12-13 06:59:31  Anonymous  
10  Bobby  Drinkard  2004-12-14 16:30:32  Anonymous  
11  Jonathan  Libby  2004-12-15 11:55:55  Anonymous  
12  Wanda  Shirk  2004-12-16 16:12:47  MacadamiaNut  
13  Ashlee  Ashby  2004-12-16 16:18:28  LadyIreneAdler  
14  Ibrehem  Rahman  2004-12-16 18:11:21  teneleven  
15  Stephenie  LaGrossa  2004-12-17 15:51:23  Anonymous  
16  Tom  Westman  2004-12-17 16:44:07  Anonymous  
17  KIMBERLY  Mullen  2004-12-19 20:50:30  MattB  
18  jennifer  Lyon  2004-12-24 22:41:57  Anonymous  
19  Gregg  Carey  2004-12-26 21:12:17  Anonymous  

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« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2004, 08:47:57 PM »
And then there was one.  Lots of different possible Gregg Carey's coupld of runners out there, a midget car racer and a drill sargent???? hmmm that would just be kinda weird.  No way they put another sarge type character on the amry survivor.  I'm personally hoping for the racer so he can say things like "IANAT GAN BACK TA SKOO DIDDY" like it 3.
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« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2004, 10:28:18 PM »
  :()() ?:) OMG..that's too funny !!

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« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2004, 09:36:48 PM »
You know....Janu looks SOOOOOO familiar.....not like an alien, so much.......

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« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2004, 09:38:45 PM »
UREKA, I GOT IT!!!!!!!! She looks like Michael Jackson's (wackojacko) LONG LOST TWIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :()() :()() :()() :()() :()() :()() :()() :()() :()() :()()

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« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2004, 09:40:26 PM »
 **:)** irelen ..I missed you !!
Janu is  a stripper ..like a show girl or something . Interesting  Huh?  :)*
I wonder if she will get nekkid in the show ?
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« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2004, 09:42:57 PM »
I try to get on but I work 50-60 hours a week and have my 22 month old....it's hectic. Are they really waiting until march to start survivor?


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« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2004, 09:53:24 PM »
If she does get naked, I hope that MJ's accusers don't watch...it might give them flashbacks!

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« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2004, 09:54:23 PM »
Oh I'm so sorry irelen , I hope that you get some fun time  *()*
The story is that its scheduled to start in March but , we think maybe late Feb?? I sure hope so  **:)**

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« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2004, 09:59:48 PM »
I may lose my mind if it doesn't start until then....I mean, I watch ER, Desperate Housewives, and Extreme Makeover HomeEdition, but none of those are Survivor. I like the manipulations, tactics, etc. and those things are not on my other shows.

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« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2004, 10:41:54 PM »
You might wanna catch Wickedly Perfect.  :)*
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« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2004, 10:58:58 PM »
 :)* You have to check out the Calendar irelen , their are a whole bunch of reality shows starting up..of course nothing compares to Survivor..well BB is a close second but thats light years away  *()*

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20  cassandra  Jakusz   2005-01-02 18:42:29  biancaxxx 

Automatic Survivor 10: Palau Contestants Confirmator (Redux)

20 Names have already been guessed correctly.

#  First  Last  Found On  By 
1  Ian  Rosenberger  2004-09-14 17:17:00  PurpleRock 
2  Jolanda  Jones  2004-11-08 11:10:00  ToastedCoconut 
3  Janu  Tornell  2004-12-09 13:01:22  tribephyl 
4  Will  Smith  2004-12-09 16:09:00  DarthXenu 
5  James  Miller  2004-12-10 13:31:37  Anonymous 
6  Jeff  Wilson  2004-12-10 16:58:55  DarthXenu 
7  Caryn  Groedel  2004-12-11 10:15:04  Anonymous 
8  Katie  Gallagher  2004-12-12 22:35:14  Not Mark Burnett 
9  Coby  Archa  2004-12-13 06:59:31  Anonymous 
10  Bobby  Drinkard  2004-12-14 16:30:32  Anonymous 
11  Jonathan  Libby  2004-12-15 11:55:55  Anonymous 
12  Wanda  Shirk  2004-12-16 16:12:47  MacadamiaNut 
13  Ashlee  Ashby  2004-12-16 16:18:28  LadyIreneAdler 
14  Ibrehem  Rahman  2004-12-16 18:11:21  teneleven 
15  Stephenie  LaGrossa  2004-12-17 15:51:23  Anonymous 
16  Tom  Westman  2004-12-17 16:44:07  Anonymous 
17  KIMBERLY  Mullen  2004-12-19 20:50:30  MattB 
18  jennifer  Lyon  2004-12-24 22:41:57  Anonymous 
19  Gregg  Carey  2004-12-26 21:12:17  Anonymous 
20  cassandra  Jakusz  2005-01-02 18:42:29  biancaxxx 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Cassandra "Angie" Jakusz ,24, Bartender, New Orleans, Louisiana
Ashlee Ashby, 22, Model/Actress, Easley, South Carolina
Bobby Drinkard, 27, Model/Restaurant Employee, Troy, Alabama
Caryn Groedel, 46, Attorney, Solon, Ohio
Coby Archa, 32, Local Theatre Actor, Midland, Texas
Gregg Carey, 27, Business Consultant, Chicago, Illinois (originally from MA)
Ian Rosenberger, 23, Student/Camp Counselor, Ambridge, Pennsylvania
Ibrehem Rahman, 27, Model, Birmingham, Alabama
James Miller, 30s, ??, ??
Janu Tornell, 39, Showgirl & Dancer, Las Vegas, Nevada
Jeff Wilson, ??, ??, ??
Jennifer Lyon, ??, ??, ??
Jonathan Libby, 20s, ??, ??
Jolanda Jones, 39, Criminal Defense Attorney, Houston, Texas
Katie Gallagher, 29, Radio Advertising, Merced, California
Kimberly Mullen, 25, Fashion Model, Dublin, Ohio
Stephenie LaGrossa, 25, Pharmaceutical Representative, Glenolden, Pennsylvania
Tom Westman, 40, Firefighter, Sayville, New York
Wanda Shirk, 55, English Teacher, Ulysses, Pennsylvania
Willard Smith, 57, Lawyer, Seattle, Washington

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« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2005, 04:27:24 PM »
ok, so far i'm going with Tom and Jolanda. She will probably get booted the first one unless she can keep her mouth shut.  :':')  Yes she has people skills but will cut you to shreds in a minute.

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« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2005, 04:47:15 PM »
 **:)** I never told you about Tom ..he looked so famaliar to me , I felt that we had met or something . My first vision of him was as a skier ..since I work & live in a ski resort area I thought hey you never know ? I was looking at some pictures that were posted of him on other boards and found a picture of him with his daughter ..skiing !  The picture was from Conneticut but , Skier's go all over the place so..its not a spoiler or anything ..lol its just that I really think that I met Tom somewhere ,probably while I was working or hanging out at a ski lodge ..we do get alot of NY'ers vactioning around here .
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YAY TOM  the fireman !!  ^:)^ ..here's to hoping that he goes far !!  *()*

Oh and then theres the latest girl "Angie" I love that name..it's my moms name and I always wished that she had named me Angie..lol ..I use to tell people that was my real name !

YAY Angie !!!   ^:)^
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« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2005, 05:02:12 PM »
Interesting that there are numerous people in the same profession, lawyers and models. Wonder if they will stick together or eat each other up.  ?:)?
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« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2005, 05:21:48 PM »
Well its nice to know 20 names and a good bit of info about all the contestants.  If I had to go with my gut right now I would go with Ian, Coby, Kim, Ashley, Gregg five.  If its young and old it could be ever worse then men vs women.  I defiantely think there are two or three people screaming early boot, but then again the game is supposed to change everything????  who knows 4 tibes of 5, some type of messed up jury system?? Maybe everyone who gets voted off goes to a mega jury of somekind??? who knows but that is probably what will really shape the season.  I just hope there is some lying and cheating and some backstabbing and yelling mixed in with all the challenges and dimples out there.
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« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2005, 10:29:05 PM »
I had a brief moment of inspiration. Maybe the way that they are going to turn the game upside down. It's supposed tobe something completely unexpected. So far, all of our ideas were kind of cliche or easy to guess. Something that CJ said sent the neurons in my brain to firing and I came up with this. For the tribal immunities, it has ALWAYS been if you lost, you went to tribal council and voted off one of your teammates. What if this time, BOTH tribes went to council and the winning team got to vote off one of their opponents? Also, they have always lived as separate tribes in separate locations. Maybe they will share a beach. This would make it easier to vote off one of their opponents. It would also allow for some pre-merge alliances among rival tribe members.  I could be worng, but I think that I may be onto something. What fo y'all think?

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« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2005, 10:55:26 PM »
good thoughts irelen , we shall see  *()*

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« Reply #59 on: January 05, 2005, 10:58:18 PM »
Not soon enough!  |:( |:( |:( |:( |:( |:( |:( |:( |:(

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Re: SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator, Updated,19 confirmed !
« Reply #60 on: January 07, 2005, 12:46:26 AM »
 *()* I hear ya.

I just put puddin's x on my calendar to countdown the days. We are still at Feb. 3rd, right?
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Survivor: Palau Official Cast Announcement: 
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Re: SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator, Updated,19 confirmed !
« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2005, 03:59:03 AM »
And we need an "Official Cast Announcement," because?  ;D
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Re: SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator, Updated,19 confirmed !
« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2005, 12:43:45 PM »
It's kinda like when you made a 100 on a test in grade school.  You know you did good but you still wanna see it when it happens.
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Re: SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator, Updated,19 confirmed !
« Reply #64 on: January 08, 2005, 06:38:48 PM »
I don't think I ever got a 100 on a test in grade school.  :)* I was too busy watching tv instead of studying and look where it got me!  :)()
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Re: SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator, Updated,19 confirmed !
« Reply #65 on: January 10, 2005, 10:53:53 PM »
 :()() I don't think I ever had a 100 either chakeeta ! I was too busy looking at the boys  ;;) ;)

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Re: SNN's on going S10 Contestant Confirmator, Updated,19 confirmed !
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2005, 08:50:29 AM »
Well I got hundreds and it didn't ever get me anywhere, I still haven't won Survivor.
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