Topic: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**

[redskevin88]

Just re-watched the roadblock. Winnie should covered the picture a bit more if she didn't want Connor to see it.   

[Platrium]

I also don't understand how a team was 'robbed' during a leg. I mean it's their fault they got eliminated.

I understand Pwinnie being robbed (Indo leg only), but I don't understand NaNa being robbed.
Goat Farmers are just very lucky. They never robbed any other fellow racer in TAR21.

A team I can consider being robbed is ChesEph. Their elimination wasn't their fault.
Jabba is another team being robbed (both literally and figuratively). Them losing the passport was completely unexpected for them.
Even Amanda & Kris in TARUB, or Amy & Daniel and Cait & Brit in TAR21, +more.
It's not the team's own fault, that's what I consider "robbed."

[georgiapeach]

Just re-watched the roadblock. Winnie should covered the picture a bit more if she didn't want Connor to see it.   

I think this clarifies the original unfortunate word choice. This is does not appear to be an anti women's comment, but one on copying during a TAR task. I have removed the original wording due to the potential for misunderstanding. Thank you all for your concern!

[Plaidmoon]

Dave and Connor winning 2 legs after Dave ruptured his achilles tendon may have been the most impressive feat I've ever seen on TAR. For me, it wasn't boring at all. As for the constant over the top reminders about their cancer battles, Dave and Connor didn't do the editing. WRP chose to play that up. I doubt that Dave and Connor made 53 references a day about it.

[Air]

I agree it wasn't Dave & Connor's fault but WRP did make them incredibly irritating.

[Jimmer]

Well Leg 3 was a TBC and Dave and Connor played an Express Pass and Connor did the RB so I basically give them no credit on that Leg because anyone could have easily limped through with an Express Pass.

In Leg 4, they did do the Detour well show that shows their strength but that's about it because Connor did the RB and arguable cheating (which I believe he did so this is a huge reason I disliked them) so they lose some credit for me on that leg.

So to me, it wasn't hugely impressive, Connor basically carried the team and Legs were not too terrible physically wise. Yes they deserve some props because yes it is difficult to travel with a torn Achilles.

And I know its not their fault about WRP, but I didn't like Connor's arrogance in the race and how they continued to talk about the victim card.

I guess it's a combination of their editing and the Leg 4 RB incident combined that made me not like them.

[Jobby]

Just re-watched the roadblock. Winnie should covered the picture a bit more if she didn't want Connor to see it.   

Not specifically replying to redskevin, but the very fact that Connor tried and managed to peep is not right? What makes his act different from what Nicole tried to do this season? If people are okay with Connor peeping and not Nicole, then there's definitely some double standards and biasedness there.

Besides, saying that Winnie should have covered the picture more to prevent Connor from cheating can be compared to a student trying his best to cover his answers from a cheater during examinations, and should the cheater managed to cheat.. it's the victim's fault for not being more careful and delicate to prevent the cheater from cheating.

In short, Connor cheated. We all saw it. So why are we debating whether or not it's right or wrong? If you look at it ethically, one can never argue that it's RIGHT in anyway. But if you want to argue it from a strategic move/game point of view & therefore validating Connor's action, go ahead. However, Connor did CHEAT and it's a fact. I rest my case. Kbye.

[SteKay]

If it's not in the rule book it's not cheating in my opinion. I don't remember the clue mentioning in the surf board task that you couldn't look at other teams' boards, whereas it mentioned in Nicole's case that they couldn't enter the judging zone, which she did. In both cases I don't care since I liked both teams.

[nmccarroll91]

Just to add my two cents, I agree with SteKay here, because if I remember rightly, when Chuck & Wynona checked in with the wrong board, Mona & Beth were standing at the pitstop, and Phil asked them something like "You not gonna give them the answer?".

If Connor looking at Winnies board is "cheating", then by all means Mona & Beth giving Chuck & Wynona the answer is just as bad, and in no way would have been suggested by Phil, himself.

Hope this helps clear things up! 

[Jobby]

If it's not in the rule book it's not cheating in my opinion. I don't remember the clue mentioning in the surf board task that you couldn't look at other teams' boards, whereas it mentioned in Nicole's case that they couldn't enter the judging zone, which she did. In both cases I don't care since I liked both teams.

Just to add my two cents, I agree with SteKay here, because if I remember rightly, when Chuck & Wynona checked in with the wrong board, Mona & Beth were standing at the pitstop, and Phil asked them something like "You not gonna give them the answer?".

If Connor looking at Winnies board is "cheating", then by all means Mona & Beth giving Chuck & Wynona the answer is just as bad, and in no way would have been suggested by Phil, himself.

Hope this helps clear things up! 

Erm, if it's against the rules, then Nicole would have been penalized. And that, I know, is never part of the rule to not be allowed to "peep".

BUT, do note that my post did not mention a single bit about "RULES" but rather from the ethics point of view. Thanks.

And, why would Mona and Beth, if willingly, giving Chuck and Wynona the answer (if they did) be just as bad? I don't remember a single part of Pwnnie screaming "COME CONNOR, LOOK AT MY ANSWER"?

I can go on and on about the ethics of The Amazing Race, but I just gotta say, ethics to everyone is varying and different. To me (and many others whom I know), what Connor did was cheating. To you, it was a strategic and great game move which won them the leg. Yes, it was strategic and I totally think that the move is validated, since they even won the leg. But a strategic move doesn't mean that it's necessarily RIGHT.

[SteKay]

Erm, if it's against the rules, then Nicole would have been penalized. And that, I know, is never part of the rule to not be allowed to "peep".

BUT, do note that my post did not mention a single bit about "RULES" but rather from the ethics point of view. Thanks.

And, why would Mona and Beth, if willingly, giving Chuck and Wynona the answer (if they did) be just as bad? I don't remember a single part of Pwnnie screaming "COME CONNOR, LOOK AT MY ANSWER"?

I don't see how ethics on the race reflect real life. If I was struggling with the puzzle, I'd look at it too! Obviously everyone has a different degree of what's ethical. To me it was perfectly fine. Just as some people think the twins 'stole' the Rockers' money.

Also cheating is usually = to rule breaking, in my opinion. 

And the saying goes "nice guys finish last" ( well not in the case of the ggf <3 )

(also i saw this before you edited and cba redoing it sorry)

[Jobby]

IMO there should be a rule against over usage of smileys.

#justkidding

PS: I also did not say that ethics on the race depicts real life too.

[Platrium]

I just checked TAR's fb page. Never expected so many people complaining about the cast. I know the cast sucks, but never expected seeing 95+% of the fans' posts is about complaining about the cast.

[georgiapeach]

It is very negative.

The casting of course reflects $$$, it is what the network and the SPONSORS think they need for ratings. They forget that it is the unknown teams with a story (like Bopper/Mark first season) who crawl into our hearts and stay there and keep us watching. We don't need actresses, sports stars, or any other gimmicky teams....just solid casting. Look at the ratings a few years back, when every cast was "newbies" compared to when the casting of people who have a fan base in something already began. Even accounting for an overall decline...it seems to me that the ratings reflected the joy and loyalty people have towards watching "ordinary people doing extraordinary things".

First look Survivor suggests they got something right. I suggest that TAR take note.

[Karpov617]

With that in mind, I guess it would be a miracle if they cast 11 teams, none of which have any experience being in front of a camera. The past few seasons always have them.

And even though I followed the spoilers, I'll still root for Brendon & Rachel, Joey & Meghan, and Caroline & Jennifer. I hope the country singers become less bubbly and more conniving, like Nicky & Kim. 

[Jimmer]

I really hope the starting line task is actually a good task. In the past couple seasons the starting line task has been really underwhelming. I absolutely love the concept of them but they have been poorly executed recently. I hope that changes with this season.

[TARP_Lover]

With that in mind, I guess it would be a miracle if they cast 11 teams, none of which have any experience being in front of a camera. The past few seasons always have them.

And even though I followed the spoilers, I'll still root for Brendon & Rachel, Joey & Meghan, and Caroline & Jennifer. I hope the country singers become less bubbly and more conniving, like Nicky & Kim. 

They deserved a spot here more than a lot of the others 

Hopefully our next Returning Players season has them. I know they probably won't make it very far though lol

[JordanJones123]

I am also surprised at the publics reaction. Teams are very anti-Brenchel, which I am fairly surprised about, due to their supposed fan base. Many are also anti-Natalie and Nadiya, mostly due to TWINNIE! In terms of excitement, most are happy to see the Globes, Cowboys, Mark and Bopper, and Dave and Connor back. I like all of these teams too.

To bitch about the casting, I do think CBS got it wrong. Either go an all time all stars, or keep it recent. Althought im happy to see my Cowboys! Another bitch is the fact that Andy and Tommy aren't there. Best team not to win IMO

[Jobby]

The best moment in TAR 19 for me was when Andy and Tommy got eliminated.

I agree with peach. It was David and Mary, Margie and Luke, Gary and Mallory, Mark and Bopper's first season that brought them close to our hearts... and honestly if they took 11 Seasons to do Allstars 1, I'll rather they take that long again to invite back some solid teams.

Plus, I don't get Jessica and John's inclusion in the cast. Can y'all see how many people just DON'T CARE about their existence?

I know they can't always get back the most solid teams such as Chippendales... but can they at least justify their Allstars title? I'll rather have Art and JJ than Jessica and John on the show, even though I really hated Art and JJ.. but at least they fit the whole criteria of being an Allstars team. Or I'll rather have Nicole and Travis, if you get what I mean. A team that's at least memorable, and whom we have followed through with an entire season; and not just a team who got eliminated with the EP due to their OWN MISTAKE and then getting another chance in an Allstars season? This is not Unfinished Business, my dear producers.

Just a horrible casting this season and honestly, I really really am not looking forward to the show at all. I know ultimately I'll watch it and still be excited weekly, but for now, am looking forward to Survivor more.

[SamualDude]

The best moment in TAR 19 for me was when Andy and Tommy got eliminated.

I agree with peach. It was David and Mary, Margie and Luke, Gary and Mallory, Mark and Bopper's first season that brought them close to our hearts... and honestly if they took 11 Seasons to do Allstars 1, I'll rather they take that long again to invite back some solid teams.

Plus, I don't get Jessica and John's inclusion in the cast. Can y'all see how many people just DON'T CARE about their existence?

I know they can't always get back the most solid teams such as Chippendales... but can they at least justify their Allstars title? I'll rather have Art and JJ than Jessica and John on the show, even though I really hated Art and JJ.. but at least they fit the whole criteria of being an Allstars team. Or I'll rather have Nicole and Travis, if you get what I mean. A team that's at least memorable, and whom we have followed through with an entire season; and not just a team who got eliminated with the EP due to their OWN MISTAKE and then getting another chance in an Allstars season? This is not Unfinished Business, my dear producers.

Just a horrible casting this season and honestly, I really really am not looking forward to the show at all. I know ultimately I'll watch it and still be excited weekly, but for now, am looking forward to Survivor more.

I'm also surprised that they didn't try and save an all stars season for Season 25 unless they have something planned. Who knows.

[gamerfan09]

The new promo posted just gave it away:

Bopper probably doesn't even make it in the TAR intro

They legit showed almost all possible Team shots in the intro except for Mopper which looks like it was shot at the Meet the Cast set

[Bookworm]

The new promo posted just gave it away:

Bopper probably doesn't even make it in the TAR intro

They legit showed almost all possible Team shots in the intro except for Mopper which looks like it was shot at the Meet the Cast set

Can you provide a link to the promo? I can't find it....

[georgiapeach]

In the TAR 24 Pre-race video thread.

Here:

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,29649.msg971148.html#msg971148

[Kiwi Jay]

If this was Unfinished Business 2, then Jessica and John and Dave and Connor would have been great. Seeing as it is All-Stars, I get Dave and Connor's inclusion (love them), but not Jessica and John's at all. I also feel Caroline and Jennifer are slightly underwhelming and Leo and Jamal are also. If Bill and Cathi, Jaymes and James (Chippendales) and Brook and Claire were there in place of these three teams, and Bopper could still have raced instead of Mallory - it would have been a dream race. Also would have loved Gary and Mallory to race a third time. So, though a lot of the teams I am so excited to see back, there are a few huge teams that have missed out! Where on earth are Bill and Cathi?

[couchracer]

I agree with SamuelDude, I was surprised that 24 was AllStars, I would have expected 25 to be that for a 25th anniversary show. I wonder what is going on?