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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1025 on: January 14, 2014, 05:20:43 PM »
Dave and Connor winning 2 legs after Dave ruptured his achilles tendon may have been the most impressive feat I've ever seen on TAR. For me, it wasn't boring at all. As for the constant over the top reminders about their cancer battles, Dave and Connor didn't do the editing. WRP chose to play that up. I doubt that Dave and Connor made 53 references a day about it.
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1026 on: January 14, 2014, 05:30:44 PM »
I agree it wasn't Dave & Connor's fault but WRP did make them incredibly irritating.
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1027 on: January 14, 2014, 10:04:28 PM »
Well Leg 3 was a TBC and Dave and Connor played an Express Pass and Connor did the RB so I basically give them no credit on that Leg because anyone could have easily limped through with an Express Pass.

In Leg 4, they did do the Detour well show that shows their strength but that's about it because Connor did the RB and arguable cheating (which I believe he did so this is a huge reason I disliked them) so they lose some credit for me on that leg.

So to me, it wasn't hugely impressive, Connor basically carried the team and Legs were not too terrible physically wise. Yes they deserve some props because yes it is difficult to travel with a torn Achilles.

And I know its not their fault about WRP, but I didn't like Connor's arrogance in the race and how they continued to talk about the victim card.

I guess it's a combination of their editing and the Leg 4 RB incident combined that made me not like them.
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1028 on: January 20, 2014, 11:08:32 AM »
Quote from: redskevin88 on January 14, 2014, 04:36:52 AM


Just re-watched the roadblock. Winnie should covered the picture a bit more if she didn't want Connor to see it.   

Not specifically replying to redskevin, but the very fact that Connor tried and managed to peep is not right? What makes his act different from what Nicole tried to do this season? If people are okay with Connor peeping and not Nicole, then there's definitely some double standards and biasedness there.

Besides, saying that Winnie should have covered the picture more to prevent Connor from cheating can be compared to a student trying his best to cover his answers from a cheater during examinations, and should the cheater managed to cheat.. it's the victim's fault for not being more careful and delicate to prevent the cheater from cheating.

In short, Connor cheated. We all saw it. So why are we debating whether or not it's right or wrong? If you look at it ethically, one can never argue that it's RIGHT in anyway. But if you want to argue it from a strategic move/game point of view & therefore validating Connor's action, go ahead. However, Connor did CHEAT and it's a fact. I rest my case. Kbye.
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1029 on: January 20, 2014, 11:36:05 AM »
If it's not in the rule book it's not cheating in my opinion. I don't remember the clue mentioning in the surf board task that you couldn't look at other teams' boards, whereas it mentioned in Nicole's case that they couldn't enter the judging zone, which she did. In both cases I don't care since I liked both teams.
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1030 on: January 20, 2014, 12:38:38 PM »
Just to add my two cents, I agree with SteKay here, because if I remember rightly, when Chuck & Wynona checked in with the wrong board, Mona & Beth were standing at the pitstop, and Phil asked them something like "You not gonna give them the answer?".

If Connor looking at Winnies board is "cheating", then by all means Mona & Beth giving Chuck & Wynona the answer is just as bad, and in no way would have been suggested by Phil, himself.

Hope this helps clear things up!  :)
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1031 on: January 21, 2014, 11:06:39 AM »
Quote from: SteKay on January 20, 2014, 11:36:05 AM
If it's not in the rule book it's not cheating in my opinion. I don't remember the clue mentioning in the surf board task that you couldn't look at other teams' boards, whereas it mentioned in Nicole's case that they couldn't enter the judging zone, which she did. In both cases I don't care since I liked both teams.

Quote from: nmccarroll91 on January 20, 2014, 12:38:38 PM
Just to add my two cents, I agree with SteKay here, because if I remember rightly, when Chuck & Wynona checked in with the wrong board, Mona & Beth were standing at the pitstop, and Phil asked them something like "You not gonna give them the answer?".

If Connor looking at Winnies board is "cheating", then by all means Mona & Beth giving Chuck & Wynona the answer is just as bad, and in no way would have been suggested by Phil, himself.

Hope this helps clear things up!  :)

Erm, if it's against the rules, then Nicole would have been penalized. And that, I know, is never part of the rule to not be allowed to "peep".

BUT, do note that my post did not mention a single bit about "RULES" but rather from the ethics point of view. Thanks.

And, why would Mona and Beth, if willingly, giving Chuck and Wynona the answer (if they did) be just as bad? I don't remember a single part of Pwnnie screaming "COME CONNOR, LOOK AT MY ANSWER"?

I can go on and on about the ethics of The Amazing Race, but I just gotta say, ethics to everyone is varying and different. To me (and many others whom I know), what Connor did was cheating. To you, it was a strategic and great game move which won them the leg. Yes, it was strategic and I totally think that the move is validated, since they even won the leg. But a strategic move doesn't mean that it's necessarily RIGHT.
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1032 on: January 21, 2014, 11:15:30 AM »
Quote from: Jobby on January 21, 2014, 11:06:39 AM

Erm, if it's against the rules, then Nicole would have been penalized. And that, I know, is never part of the rule to not be allowed to "peep".

BUT, do note that my post did not mention a single bit about "RULES" but rather from the ethics point of view. Thanks.

And, why would Mona and Beth, if willingly, giving Chuck and Wynona the answer (if they did) be just as bad? I don't remember a single part of Pwnnie screaming "COME CONNOR, LOOK AT MY ANSWER"?

I don't see how ethics on the race reflect real life. If I was struggling with the puzzle, I'd look at it too! Obviously everyone has a different degree of what's ethical. To me it was perfectly fine. Just as some people think the twins 'stole' the Rockers' money.

Also cheating is usually = to rule breaking, in my opinion.  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

And the saying goes "nice guys finish last" ( well not in the case of the ggf <3 )

(also i saw this before you edited and cba redoing it sorry)
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1033 on: January 21, 2014, 11:26:44 AM »
IMO there should be a rule against over usage of smileys. :funny:

#justkidding :P

PS: I also did not say that ethics on the race depicts real life too. :stare
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1034 on: January 28, 2014, 05:56:24 AM »
I just checked TAR's fb page. Never expected so many people complaining about the cast. :stare I know the cast sucks, but never expected seeing 95+% of the fans' posts is about complaining about the cast.
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1035 on: January 28, 2014, 07:52:26 AM »
It is very negative.

The casting of course reflects $$$, it is what the network and the SPONSORS think they need for ratings. They forget that it is the unknown teams with a story (like Bopper/Mark first season) who crawl into our hearts and stay there and keep us watching. We don't need actresses, sports stars, or any other gimmicky teams....just solid casting. Look at the ratings a few years back, when every cast was "newbies" compared to when the casting of people who have a fan base in something already began. Even accounting for an overall decline...it seems to me that the ratings reflected the joy and loyalty people have towards watching "ordinary people doing extraordinary things".

First look Survivor suggests they got something right. I suggest that TAR take note.
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1036 on: January 28, 2014, 08:59:11 AM »
With that in mind, I guess it would be a miracle if they cast 11 teams, none of which have any experience being in front of a camera. The past few seasons always have them.

And even though I followed the spoilers, I'll still root for Brendon & Rachel, Joey & Meghan, and Caroline & Jennifer. I hope the country singers become less bubbly and more conniving, like Nicky & Kim.  :)
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1037 on: January 29, 2014, 09:06:23 PM »
I really hope the starting line task is actually a good task. In the past couple seasons the starting line task has been really underwhelming. I absolutely love the concept of them but they have been poorly executed recently. I hope that changes with this season.
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1038 on: January 29, 2014, 11:11:18 PM »
Quote from: Karpov617 on January 28, 2014, 08:59:11 AM
With that in mind, I guess it would be a miracle if they cast 11 teams, none of which have any experience being in front of a camera. The past few seasons always have them.

And even though I followed the spoilers, I'll still root for Brendon & Rachel, Joey & Meghan, and Caroline & Jennifer. I hope the country singers become less bubbly and more conniving, like Nicky & Kim.  :)

They deserved a spot here more than a lot of the others  :'(

Hopefully our next Returning Players season has them. I know they probably won't make it very far though lol
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1039 on: January 30, 2014, 12:48:23 AM »
I am also surprised at the publics reaction. Teams are very anti-Brenchel, which I am fairly surprised about, due to their supposed fan base. Many are also anti-Natalie and Nadiya, mostly due to TWINNIE! In terms of excitement, most are happy to see the Globes, Cowboys, Mark and Bopper, and Dave and Connor back. I like all of these teams too.

To bitch about the casting, I do think CBS got it wrong. Either go an all time all stars, or keep it recent. Althought im happy to see my Cowboys! Another bitch is the fact that Andy and Tommy aren't there. Best team not to win IMO
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1040 on: January 30, 2014, 01:17:49 AM »
The best moment in TAR 19 for me was when Andy and Tommy got eliminated. :funny:

I agree with peach. It was David and Mary, Margie and Luke, Gary and Mallory, Mark and Bopper's first season that brought them close to our hearts... and honestly if they took 11 Seasons to do Allstars 1, I'll rather they take that long again to invite back some solid teams.

Plus, I don't get Jessica and John's inclusion in the cast. Can y'all see how many people just DON'T CARE about their existence?

I know they can't always get back the most solid teams such as Chippendales... but can they at least justify their Allstars title? I'll rather have Art and JJ than Jessica and John on the show, even though I really hated Art and JJ.. but at least they fit the whole criteria of being an Allstars team. Or I'll rather have Nicole and Travis, if you get what I mean. A team that's at least memorable, and whom we have followed through with an entire season; and not just a team who got eliminated with the EP due to their OWN MISTAKE and then getting another chance in an Allstars season? This is not Unfinished Business, my dear producers.

Just a horrible casting this season and honestly, I really really am not looking forward to the show at all. I know ultimately I'll watch it and still be excited weekly, but for now, am looking forward to Survivor more.
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1041 on: January 30, 2014, 01:46:06 AM »
Quote from: Jobby on January 30, 2014, 01:17:49 AM
The best moment in TAR 19 for me was when Andy and Tommy got eliminated. :funny:

I agree with peach. It was David and Mary, Margie and Luke, Gary and Mallory, Mark and Bopper's first season that brought them close to our hearts... and honestly if they took 11 Seasons to do Allstars 1, I'll rather they take that long again to invite back some solid teams.

Plus, I don't get Jessica and John's inclusion in the cast. Can y'all see how many people just DON'T CARE about their existence?

I know they can't always get back the most solid teams such as Chippendales... but can they at least justify their Allstars title? I'll rather have Art and JJ than Jessica and John on the show, even though I really hated Art and JJ.. but at least they fit the whole criteria of being an Allstars team. Or I'll rather have Nicole and Travis, if you get what I mean. A team that's at least memorable, and whom we have followed through with an entire season; and not just a team who got eliminated with the EP due to their OWN MISTAKE and then getting another chance in an Allstars season? This is not Unfinished Business, my dear producers.

Just a horrible casting this season and honestly, I really really am not looking forward to the show at all. I know ultimately I'll watch it and still be excited weekly, but for now, am looking forward to Survivor more.

I'm also surprised that they didn't try and save an all stars season for Season 25 unless they have something planned. Who knows.
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1042 on: January 30, 2014, 01:47:59 AM »
The new promo posted just gave it away:

Bopper probably doesn't even make it in the TAR intro :res:

They legit showed almost all possible Team shots in the intro except for Mopper which looks like it was shot at the Meet the Cast set :res:
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1043 on: January 30, 2014, 04:24:23 PM »
Quote from: gamerfan09 on January 30, 2014, 01:47:59 AM
The new promo posted just gave it away:

Bopper probably doesn't even make it in the TAR intro :res:

They legit showed almost all possible Team shots in the intro except for Mopper which looks like it was shot at the Meet the Cast set :res:
Can you provide a link to the promo? I can't find it....
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1044 on: January 30, 2014, 10:10:34 PM »
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1045 on: January 31, 2014, 03:13:52 PM »
If this was Unfinished Business 2, then Jessica and John and Dave and Connor would have been great. Seeing as it is All-Stars, I get Dave and Connor's inclusion (love them), but not Jessica and John's at all. I also feel Caroline and Jennifer are slightly underwhelming and Leo and Jamal are also. If Bill and Cathi, Jaymes and James (Chippendales) and Brook and Claire were there in place of these three teams, and Bopper could still have raced instead of Mallory - it would have been a dream race. Also would have loved Gary and Mallory to race a third time. So, though a lot of the teams I am so excited to see back, there are a few huge teams that have missed out! Where on earth are Bill and Cathi?
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1046 on: January 31, 2014, 04:21:54 PM »
I agree with SamuelDude, I was surprised that 24 was AllStars, I would have expected 25 to be that for a 25th anniversary show. I wonder what is going on?
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1047 on: February 01, 2014, 04:10:43 AM »
Gosh, I remember how excited I was after watching S17 finale and finding out that the next season was going to be UB (an AS season).... Now it's just "please let this end soon, so I can enjoy a good regular season"....

I mean, I haven't even felt a surge of AS material since UB and so it actually makes sense why there are 3peaters, but... Why do an AS season so fast if there aren't really that many teams to invite back? Or they decline....

I'm just going to repeat other people perhaps, but this cast really lacks Tim & Marie, Pam & Winnie, James & Abba, Abbie & Ryan and Andy & Tommy. Perhaps even Max & Katie would've been a better shot and I don't care if either of those teams were invited back or not, if they declined or not, what the viewers will eventually get is only the outcome - the current cast, which is all but AS.
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1048 on: February 01, 2014, 02:20:42 PM »
My biggest fear is that this is the start of the TAR decline into irrelevance - especially with the water skiing task...  :colealert:...you know, the one where one teammate has to put on a leather jacket and do a water ski jump over a caged shark….
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Re: TAR 24: Bitch, Moan, and Squeal Thread **Spoilers Inside!**
« Reply #1049 on: February 13, 2014, 05:59:50 PM »
A cowboys related quote for Leg 1 :res: :res: Not meaning to be rude, but that's how I feel.
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