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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #100 on: June 24, 2013, 10:50:15 AM »
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I'm bored. Anyone wants to play Find Snowden?

SU 213 from Hong Kong to Moscow SVO, 23/1055-23/1705
Was not on flight: SU 150 from Moscow SVO to Havana, 24/1405-24/1845

Assume he's going to avoid the EU/US/Israel, and is trying to get to Ecuador?

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #101 on: June 24, 2013, 02:35:36 PM »
I've a feeling that Russia was probably a decoy. I'd like Snowden to be smarter than that.

Not sure about what extradition treaties the US has with these countries, but here're two probable routes of escape:

CX 197 from Hong Kong to Auckland, 23/2105-24/1200
LA 800 from Auckland to Santiago, 24/1615-24/1135
XL 1446 from Santiago to Guayaquil, 24/1705-24/2120

SA 287 from Hong Kong to Johannesburg, 23/2350-24/0705
SA 222 from Johannesburg to Sao Paulo, 24/1025-24/1600
EQ 532 from Sao Paulo to Guayaquil, 25/0215-25/0615

Sorry! It's a slow day at spoiling...
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #102 on: June 24, 2013, 04:34:34 PM »
:ot:   And if I see ONE more TAR tweet saying Snowden's Amazing Race I may just  :gaah:
 
Go find me OUR race.  :cheer:
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #103 on: June 24, 2013, 07:32:06 PM »
Repeating here that Phil wouldn't likely have jet-lag (unless it was just an idiomatic expression) if he was in Africa; the Europe legs are pretty much the same time zone as most of Africa.

I have Phil's tweet at 5.37am Hong Kong time, which translates to:
1.37am in Seychelles
3.07am in India and Sri Lanka
3.22am in Nepal

ASSUMING Phil was tweeting this soon after his check-in:
No flights out of Seychelles at this time. No flights out of Kathmandu at this time. So Leg 7 (maybe Leg 8 too) isn't there.

There is a Colombo-Chennai flight at 4.10am, but all other flights head back to the Gulf. Beijing's the only eastward flight from Delhi. Nothing from Mumbai and Kolkata except back to the Gulf.

Could they already be further east? But if so, where are our tweets?
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #104 on: June 24, 2013, 07:36:21 PM »
I'm guessing it's the Colombo-Chennai flight. However, I'm not sure if the leg would be in Chennai or if it's a connection.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #105 on: June 24, 2013, 09:47:44 PM »
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:ot:   And if I see ONE more TAR tweet saying Snowden's Amazing Race I may just  :gaah:
 
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #106 on: June 24, 2013, 10:13:02 PM »
Repeating here that Phil wouldn't likely have jet-lag (unless it was just an idiomatic expression) if he was in Africa; the Europe legs are pretty much the same time zone as most of Africa.

I have Phil's tweet at 5.37am Hong Kong time, which translates to:
1.37am in Seychelles
3.07am in India and Sri Lanka
3.22am in Nepal

ASSUMING Phil was tweeting this soon after his check-in:
No flights out of Seychelles at this time. No flights out of Kathmandu at this time. So Leg 7 (maybe Leg 8 too) isn't there.

There is a Colombo-Chennai flight at 4.10am, but all other flights head back to the Gulf. Beijing's the only eastward flight from Delhi. Nothing from Mumbai and Kolkata except back to the Gulf.

Could they already be further east? But if so, where are our tweets?

Ah ok, i think i have an idea that makes sense now. I think its very possible they had a leg in qatar (havent been to these region in a few seasons and qatar is one of the safer places there) and this would make sense for phil's tweet as that would have been at around half past midnight qatar time and doha airport is unusual in that it has loooooaaadddsss of flights leaving at 1,2,3 am. The timing would make sense for them having had a leg there and now phil moving on ahead of teams. Also the blackout in tweets etc might make sense if they had been driving around qatar and not going through more airports i think.. This also puts nepal back on the table hahaha

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #107 on: June 26, 2013, 03:05:40 AM »

Neobie or anyone that has expert skill on flight analysis...

our team in Bandung discussed that there's a possibility of running our leg in Bandung,
the question is, why there's not much tweets generated in the city if the racers expected to running around some locations?

Then, we have spec that Phil "was just arrived!" and Teams will probably racing tomorrow..

Need a handful  of source for flight to CGK then Train/Chartered Car/Taxi to Bandung... or flight to BDO as well.. ;)



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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #108 on: June 26, 2013, 03:31:05 AM »
Need to assume teams there today.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #109 on: June 26, 2013, 03:33:02 AM »

Fyi, BDO only has 2 internatnatinal access for commercial flights,  Singapore and KL, both operated by Indonesia Air Asia

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #110 on: June 26, 2013, 03:36:46 AM »
Good chance to get to the Malaysia that Joab's been speculating?

Can't really seem to see them go to Singapore this season, they generally go Malaysia-Singapore (TAR3), Malaysia only (TAR4 and 11), Malaysia-Singapore (TAR16)...
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #111 on: June 26, 2013, 03:47:58 AM »
We can try to reverse-engineer where Phil came from, knowing he probably left the previous destination at 4.37am Jakarta time on 25 Jun.

Doha works very well. (Phil tweeted at 12.37am Doha time.)
QR 672 from Doha to Jakarta, 0155-1515

Dubai works less well; Phil would have been checking in very early. (Phil tweeted at 1.37am Dubai time.)
EK 356 from Dubai to Jakarta, 0415-1540

Delhi doesn't work. There are no flights towards Jakarta at this time. (Phil tweeted at 3.07am Delhi time.)
Mumbai, Kolkata, Colombo, Nairobi and Johannesburg don't work for the same reason.
Nepal has no flights at all at this time. (Phil tweeted at 3.22am Kathmandu time.)

Where else should I look at?

Tentative conclusion: Leg 7 was in the Persian Gulf, likely Qatar itself.

And working backwards a little bit more. A team was trying for a Vienna-Doha flight on 22 Jun. That would have arrived that night.
23 Jun was the leg after Vienna. (I'll call this Leg 7.)
24 Jun is a mystery day.
25 Jun is when Phil left the Persian Gulf.
There's no reason Phil would have needed to stick around for that long.

Tentative conclusion: Leg 8 was also in the Persian Gulf, likely the same location as Leg 7.

My best educated guess:
Start: Los Angeles
Leg 1: Iquique, Chile
Leg 2: Santiago, Chile
Leg 3: Lisbon, Portugal
Leg 4: Svolvaer, Norway
Leg 5: Gdansk, Poland
Leg 6: Vienna, Austria
Leg 7: Doha, Qatar
Leg 8: Doha, Qatar
Leg 9: Bandung, Indonesia
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #112 on: June 26, 2013, 03:49:54 AM »


Where else should I look at?

Phil's hint from his tweet "fog = Haze = Kuala Lumpur"

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #113 on: June 26, 2013, 04:07:49 AM »
Kuala Lumpur, or anywhere in East or Southeast Asia, doesn't work well. No reason for Phil to be travelling in the middle of the night!

It's quite likely teams will be arriving at Jakarta tonight at these times:

QR 670 from Doha to Jakarta, 0930-2205
EK 358 from Dubai to Jakarta, 1110-2235

Although maybe someone may have snuck onto this flight?
EK 356 from Dubai to Jakarta, 0415-1540

I expect an hours-of-operation tonight (26 Jun), followed by a race tomorrow (27 Jun).
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #114 on: June 26, 2013, 06:02:10 AM »

Train schedule from Gambir (Jakarta) to Bandung




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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #115 on: June 26, 2013, 06:17:10 AM »
Just in case that Phil landed directly to BDO (Hussein Sastranegara Airport)


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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #116 on: June 26, 2013, 12:27:34 PM »

Teams could probably stranded at SIN and wait for tomorrow's flight direct to BDO...

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #117 on: June 26, 2013, 12:42:55 PM »
Judging from the tweeters' itinerary, teams are most likely on:
SQ 981 from Bangkok to Singapore, 2100-0025

Flights tomorrow to Bandung:
MI 192 from Singapore to Bandung, 0830-0925
QZ 8366 from Singapore to Bandung, 0900-0940

Flights tomorrow to Jakarta:
TR 2276 from Singapore to Jakarta, 0555-0645
SQ 950 from Singapore to Jakarta, 0620-0705
And many more...
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #118 on: June 26, 2013, 12:45:45 PM »
Judging from the tweeters' itinerary, teams are most likely on:
SQ 981 from Bangkok to Singapore, 2100-0025

Flights tomorrow to Bandung:
MI 192 from Singapore to Bandung, 0830-0925
QZ 8366 from Singapore to Bandung, 0900-0940

Got it,,,

The MI one is share-coded with two other airlines, right?

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #119 on: June 26, 2013, 12:47:17 PM »
MI (Silk Air) is a subsidiary of SQ (Singapore Airlines), so yeah.
QZ (Indonesia Air Asia) is on its own.

Dubai is slipping out of probability. Teams do not need to fly from Dubai-Bangkok-Singapore.
There's a Dubai-Singapore flight leaving 5 minutes before the Bangkok flight.
Unless, of course, the direct flight is full.

If we stick to Qatar, we have:
QR 608 from Doha to Bangkok, 0825-1920
SQ 981 from Bangkok to Singapore, 2100-0025

There was a Doha-Jakarta flight that left at 0930 and gets in tonight (26 Jun). If teams were not limited by the producers they could have taken that and taken some transport to Bandung, arriving way before anyone else!
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #120 on: June 28, 2013, 10:06:17 AM »

Manila flights got delayed for the 12.55AM schedule tonight...

Need an immediate help for Phil or Racers to get out of Indo... assume the racers released early in the morning at 2.00-4.00AM ?!

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #121 on: June 28, 2013, 10:32:58 AM »
Judging from the tweeters' itinerary, teams are most likely on:
SQ 981 from Bangkok to Singapore, 2100-0025

Flights tomorrow to Bandung:
MI 192 from Singapore to Bandung, 0830-0925
QZ 8366 from Singapore to Bandung, 0900-0940

Flights tomorrow to Jakarta:
TR 2276 from Singapore to Jakarta, 0555-0645
SQ 950 from Singapore to Jakarta, 0620-0705
And many more...

If they arrived in Singapore from BKK they could have also been on Tiger  TR 2109 that arrives at 2330 SGP time or Jet Star 3K 518 that arrives at midnight, or Jet Star 3K 514 that arrives at 0040 or Tiger TR 2115 that arrives at 0100...

Lots of flight options that's what I'm thinking...



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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #122 on: June 28, 2013, 11:10:46 AM »

-__-" that's not it, i'm sorry, but that one already passed away... ;)

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #123 on: June 28, 2013, 11:57:00 AM »
Okay, I throw out some options for Teams (or even Phil) to get out of Indo on Sat, 29/6

Departure from BDO to :

SIN Singapore QZ 8365 Indonesia AirAsia 5:40 AM
SIN Singapore MI 191 Silkair 10:10 AM
SIN Singapore SQ 5191^ Singapore Airlines 10:10 AM (code-shared with the above)
SIN Singapore QZ 8361 Indonesia AirAsia 11:15 AM

KUL Kuala Lumpur AK 1329 AirAsia 8:00 AM
KUL Kuala Lumpur QZ 8453 Indonesia AirAsia 10:05 AM

DPS Denpasar JT* 904 Lion Airlines 10:20 AM
DPS Denpasar JT* 960 Lion Airlines 12:00 PM
DPS Denpasar GA 334 Garuda Indonesia 12:25 PM
DPS Denpasar CTV 891 Citilink Indonesia 12:35 PM


From SIN and KUL can easily go almost everywhere to SE Asia and/or AUS
From DPS is a strong possibility for AUS/JPN


Now, for the Train Schedule
(if teams take Train to Gambir continue with taxi/shuttle bus to CGK - Jakarta from Bandung)

1. Dep. 5.00 AM Arr. 7.54 AM
2. Dep. 7.15 AM Arr. 10.20 AM
3. Dep. 9.00AM Arr. 12.00 PM
4. Dep. 12.00PM Arr. 2.54PM

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #124 on: June 28, 2013, 06:32:59 PM »
If they arrived in Singapore from BKK they could have also been on Tiger  TR 2109 that arrives at 2330 SGP time or Jet Star 3K 518 that arrives at midnight, or Jet Star 3K 514 that arrives at 0040 or Tiger TR 2115 that arrives at 0100...

You're right Angeldanger, but this is the most likely flight given the spoilers we have.

The teams were spotted by two tweeters travelling together in a larger group from Bangkok to Singapore, and onwards to Moscow. They have a photo from Bangkok with the time on it and their tweets upon arrival in Singapore set the other time boundary, limiting the possible flights to four. Among those, Singapore Airlines is the only one that connects with the flight to Moscow; the others are budget airlines that aren't booked in tandem with a transcontinental flight, especially not when a big group is involved. So I actually am quite certain that the teams seen were on SQ 981.
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